Speaker 1: It is The Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful Monday,
Speaker 1: another hour the Jesse Kelly Show. We have an amazing
Speaker 1: hour for you, and it's just jam packed full of goodness.
Speaker 1: Of course, Medal of Honor Monday's coming up. A minute
Speaker 1: from now. We have j Michael Waller joining us. A
Speaker 1: half hour from now, they're starting to do breakdowns of
Speaker 1: these Antifa terrorist groups and he was involved in things
Speaker 1: like communist revolutions in El Salvador. He's just a wealth
Speaker 1: of knowledge and he's about to dump that knowledge on us.
Speaker 1: About a half hour from now, we'll talk more about
Speaker 1: these people using power, the religion of conquest, Alvin Bragg,
Speaker 1: let some New York woman go free? Why did that happen?
Speaker 1: All that more coming up on the world famous Jesse
Speaker 1: Kelly Show. But this moment is dedicated to heroes, as
Speaker 1: it always is on Mondays Mondays. Start of the second hour,
Speaker 1: it's Medal of Honor Monday time on this show, always
Speaker 1: has been and always will be. You can do this.
Speaker 1: I want to again encourage you. I didn't do any
Speaker 1: of these things. I don't own this. Everybody has access
Speaker 1: to every Medal of Honor citation that's ever been earned.
Speaker 1: You can do this with your family, with your class,
Speaker 1: with your team, you can do it at work. Read
Speaker 1: the names, read the deeds. It's not just good and
Speaker 1: healthy for the country. It's interesting. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: an action movie. And yes, of course we take email recommendations.
Speaker 1: Love hey, death threats and recommendations. If there are ones
Speaker 1: you love, like this one, Jesse, I absolutely love your
Speaker 1: Medal of Honor Mondays. Try to listen to them whatever
Speaker 1: my schedule permits. I just finished a book about Chosen
Speaker 1: Reservoir and was amazed by the actions of Medal of
Speaker 1: Honor recipient Hector A. Caferata, Junior, and would love to
Speaker 1: hear you relate his story to your audience. Will you
Speaker 1: actually done this one one before? And as is usually
Speaker 1: the case with these things, his citation is grossly inadequate
Speaker 1: compared to what he did, and his citation is amazing.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to start with the citation. Then I'll
Speaker 1: add some more detail to it because they actually underserved
Speaker 1: the man, and I'll explain why that happened.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: He was born in New York City in nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: nine United States Marine Corps and this is what he
Speaker 1: did Hey, honoring those who went above and beyond.
Speaker 2: It's Medal of Honor Monday.
Speaker 1: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his
Speaker 1: life above and beyond the call of duty while serving
Speaker 1: as a rifleman with Company F in action against enemy
Speaker 1: aggressor forces. When all other members of his fire team
Speaker 1: became casualties, creating a gap in the line. During the
Speaker 1: initial phase of a vicious attack launched by a fanatical
Speaker 1: enemy of regimental strength against his company's hill position, Private
Speaker 1: Caferata waged a lone battle with grenades and rifle fire.
Speaker 1: As the attack gained momentum momentum and the enemy threatened
Speaker 1: penetration through the gap and endangered the integrity of the
Speaker 1: entire defensive perimeter. Making a target of himself. Under devastating
Speaker 1: fire from automatic weapons, rifles, grenades, and mortars, he moved
Speaker 1: up and down the line and delivered accurate and effective
Speaker 1: fire against the on rushing force, killing fifteen, wounding many more,
Speaker 1: enforcing others to withdraw so that reinforcements could move up
Speaker 1: and consolidate the position. Again, fighting desperately against a renewed onslaught.
Speaker 1: Later that same morning, when a hostile grenade landed in
Speaker 1: a shallow entrenchment occupied by wounded marines. Private Caferata rushed
Speaker 1: into the gully under heavy fire, seized the deadly missile
Speaker 1: in his right hand and hurled it free of his
Speaker 1: comrades before it detonated, severing part of one finger and seriously.
Speaker 2: Wounding him in the right hand and arm.
Speaker 1: Courageously, ignoring the intense pain, he staunchly fought on until
Speaker 1: he was struck by a sniper's bullet and forced to
Speaker 1: submit to evacuation for medical treatment. Stout hearted and indomitable,
Speaker 1: Private Caferata, by his fortitude, great personal valor, and dautless
Speaker 1: perseverance in the face of almost certain death, saved the
Speaker 1: lives of several of his fellow marines and contributed essentially
Speaker 1: to the success achieved by his company in maintaining the
Speaker 1: defensive position against tremendous odds. His extraordinary heroism throughout was
Speaker 1: in keeping with the highest traditions of US Naval service.
Speaker 1: Now for the rest of the story, or at least
Speaker 1: a bit of it. First of all, he was an athlete,
Speaker 1: a world class football player. I believe, if memory serves me,
Speaker 1: he went semi pro football player, big dude. In fact,
Speaker 1: his nickname was Big Heck. That was his nickname, Big
Speaker 1: Heck football player joins the Marine Corps. Is kind of
Speaker 1: a problem child in the Marine Corps. It's kind of
Speaker 1: a problem child, and those oftentimes are the guys who
Speaker 1: earned these incredible medals. So he's got a buddy with
Speaker 1: him this night. His comrade in arms is a guy
Speaker 1: Kenneth Benson. Is his name, Private Kenneth Benson. They are
Speaker 1: in their sleeping bags. Remember it is frigid cold.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: This took place at a place called Talk Tong Pass.
Speaker 1: I don't expect that to mean anything to you. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Here's what you have to know. Our troops
Speaker 1: were cut off at at chosen reservoir, or I should
Speaker 1: say almost cut off. If we lost contra roll of
Speaker 1: Talktong Pass, our troops would be completely cut off and
Speaker 1: we may have seen the annihilation of thirty thousand troops.
Speaker 1: That's how severe the situation was. Big He's company was
Speaker 1: essentially overlooking that pass. The Chinese troops knew they had
Speaker 1: to take his position. What's in his position? About two
Speaker 1: hundred marines roughly? How many did the Chinese send? Different
Speaker 1: estimates depending on what you read twelve to fourteen hundred
Speaker 1: Chinese troops attack them because they had to have the pass.
Speaker 1: Now you know how I told you these guys were
Speaker 1: in their sleeping bags. Kenneth Benson, his buddy had a
Speaker 1: grenade essentially believe it was a grenade if memory sir
Speaker 1: as me explode and it blinded him, had he no
Speaker 1: longer had the use of his eyes at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this. But this little warrior, who should have possibly
Speaker 1: earned the metal himself, did not quit, did not give up.
Speaker 1: He spent the rest of the night refilling magazines and
Speaker 1: handing magazines to Big Heck, who spent his time shooting them,
Speaker 1: and his blind buddy is blindly handing the magazine's. The
Speaker 1: Chinese are chucking so many grenades up at Big Heck
Speaker 1: during all this, he actually pulls out his little mini
Speaker 1: shovel and starts swatting them back at the Chinese like
Speaker 1: baseballs when they're chucking him at him. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: man that they could make an entire movie out of
Speaker 1: this one part of Chosen Reservoir, and it would win
Speaker 1: all kinds of awards, except you know, they'd gave the
Speaker 1: whole thing up and ruin it all, but it is
Speaker 1: an insane story. Oh in one tiny little bit that
Speaker 1: maybe the biggest bit of it. You know how I
Speaker 1: told you they were in their sleeping bags, they didn't
Speaker 1: have time to put on their shoes. It's ten to
Speaker 1: twenty below zero at least, and they are standing in
Speaker 1: knee deep snow, and Big Heck is taking on waves
Speaker 1: of Chinese in his bare freaking feet for hours at
Speaker 1: a time, hours at a time. So many Marines died
Speaker 1: in this company. I told you it was about two hundred.
Speaker 1: You know how many were left by morning? About eighty.
Speaker 1: They're just dying in droves, and Heck is just murdering
Speaker 1: the Chinese as fast as they can come at him.
Speaker 1: You know, they said he killed fifteen. There are estimates
Speaker 1: from multiple people.
Speaker 2: That he killed a hundred of them.
Speaker 1: They did not report that number because they thought it
Speaker 1: would not be believed. Now, who knows what the exact
Speaker 1: number is, But it was not fifteen.
Speaker 2: It was a lot.
Speaker 1: He was in his bare feet by the time he
Speaker 1: got back. They didn't know if he was going to
Speaker 1: keep either of his feet, and they did not know
Speaker 1: if he was going to live. They ship him back
Speaker 1: to America his feet were like black. They shipped him
Speaker 1: back to America. He had to undergo treatment for a
Speaker 1: year and a half before he was upright, kept his feet,
Speaker 1: kept his patriotism. I think he worked for the Forest Service,
Speaker 1: if I remember right. Was always a hardcore patriot and
Speaker 1: by the way, a super humble dude.
Speaker 2: When they told him me to earn the Medal of Honor,
Speaker 2: he asked him to mail it to him.
Speaker 1: Can you just put that in the mail, And they said.
Speaker 2: Uh no, no, no, you actually need to come to Washington,
Speaker 2: d c. And accept it.
Speaker 1: Lived until two thy sixteen, died in the state of Florida.
Speaker 1: Is buried, I believe. Don't quote me on this. I
Speaker 1: haven't read his stuff in a while. I think he's
Speaker 1: buried at Quantico Virginia Marine Corps based Quantico, Virginia. Big heck, man,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you hid a lion, a lion who saved
Speaker 1: a lot of lives and did not kill fifteen fifteen.
Speaker 1: That's an appetizer for big heck. All right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about what happened in corporate America. Well again, touch
Speaker 1: on communists using power when they find it. It is
Speaker 1: the Jesse Kelly Show on a wild amazing Monday, only
Speaker 1: ten minutes away from Jmichael Waller.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited about that.
Speaker 1: To learn more about these Antifa terror networks member, you
Speaker 1: can email the show Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com.
Speaker 1: If you missed any part of the show, you can
Speaker 1: download at iHeart Spotify iTunes. I'm actually gonna pause really
Speaker 1: quickly on them using power because I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: up something. Apparently so many people were angry about it.
Speaker 1: I know it's NFL season, and I know the NFL
Speaker 1: is majorly popular, and I know you probably watched it.
Speaker 1: I got all that the NFL came out and announced
Speaker 1: somebody named Bad Bunny. No idea who that is. Apparently
Speaker 1: he's going to be the halftime show. He's some foreigner
Speaker 1: and he has a history of saying things like this.
Speaker 2: Apparently were performing in the US.
Speaker 3: Again, I'm scared, scared that I might raid the venue
Speaker 3: outside my show, and honestly, I can risk the safety
Speaker 3: of my fans like that. Mainland America just doesn't feel
Speaker 3: necessary to me anymore.
Speaker 1: Butever, I don't know who this person is. I could
Speaker 1: not name a single song, and nor do I care
Speaker 1: to find out. But let me let me just address
Speaker 1: your rage for a moment, and believe me when I
Speaker 1: tell you I am not scolding you for still watching
Speaker 1: at all. I still do things that are bad. I
Speaker 1: try not to. I still support companies I should. I
Speaker 1: try not to. I'm trying to be better. So I'm
Speaker 1: not lecturing at all. But there is something that takes
Speaker 1: place now in all ways. So I'm gonna explain what
Speaker 1: happened here. And actually I talked about this last week
Speaker 1: when it comes to politics, but it very much applies
Speaker 1: to companies, corporations. It really applies to so many things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll make it about the Jesse Kelly Show.
Speaker 1: The Jesse Kelly Show has hardcore listeners. Every show does.
Speaker 1: So I'm just going to make it about me to
Speaker 1: make it easier to understand. And the radio business I
Speaker 1: have learned they call them p ones. Still no idea
Speaker 1: what that means, but that's what they call the most
Speaker 1: hardcore people. Those are the people who don't miss a
Speaker 1: single minute of any show. If they do, they'll download
Speaker 1: the podcast.
Speaker 2: You got it, the p ones.
Speaker 1: If my goal, and this is not my goal, but
Speaker 1: if my goal was I want to be the biggest,
Speaker 1: richest radio star in the history of the world. And
Speaker 1: that is not my goal, which is not my thing,
Speaker 1: as you know. But if that was my goal, then
Speaker 1: here's how I might go about it. My p ones,
Speaker 1: the hardcore listeners, maybe that's you.
Speaker 2: I want to keep you. I have to keep you.
Speaker 1: But I also because my goal is to be the biggest,
Speaker 1: richest ever, I need more.
Speaker 2: I need more people. Then, so.
Speaker 1: How much can I stray from who I am and
Speaker 1: what you like while still keeping you?
Speaker 2: That's the goal. The goal is can I moderate a
Speaker 2: little here?
Speaker 1: Maybe be less offensive there, be a little less honest
Speaker 1: about this, only a little.
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want to push you away.
Speaker 1: But how much can I flirt with the line of
Speaker 1: pushing you away to bring in new people so that
Speaker 1: I get to keep you and get more new people.
Speaker 1: I used it in reference to politics before Republicans Democrats
Speaker 1: they do this. How much can I screw my base
Speaker 1: over in the general election, but not screw them over
Speaker 1: so much they leave. I need to screw them over
Speaker 1: a little, bring in some of the some of the
Speaker 1: more squishes, while not completely betraying my base. Okay, this
Speaker 1: applies to more than just me. It applies to more
Speaker 1: than politics. The NFL professional football. The NFL football in
Speaker 1: America is unreasonably popular. It's ridiculous. It affects entire industries.
Speaker 1: The grocery industry thrives when it's NFL season. Did you
Speaker 1: know that we're obsessed with football? And again I am
Speaker 1: not judging, but the NFL discovered something during the Saint
Speaker 1: George Floyd insanity, the Black Lives Matter insanity in this country.
Speaker 1: What they discovered was they can do anything, and they're
Speaker 1: hardcore fans will never leave. Ever, they will never leave.
Speaker 1: And I realize some maybe you did if there are
Speaker 1: gonna be a few, but they will never have a
Speaker 1: significant portion of their fan base stop watching football. They
Speaker 1: can do Black Lives Matter rallies. Drew Brees can put
Speaker 1: the name of a rapist on his helmet. They can
Speaker 1: do the most despicable things in a world, in the world,
Speaker 1: and even if you last a week or two, you'll
Speaker 1: be back watching, buying jerseys, go into the stadium cheering
Speaker 1: for your team. Well, when that happens, they learn, well, hey,
Speaker 1: I can do whatever I want. Why would you go
Speaker 1: hire some commie foreigner to do the halftime show of
Speaker 1: the biggest TV show in the world every year. Why, well,
Speaker 1: you're not going anywhere. The NFL is trying to go international,
Speaker 1: as all corporations are. They're trying to bring in more
Speaker 1: of a fan base, a worldwide and international fan base.
Speaker 1: American citizens have proven they will never leave it. They
Speaker 1: will never leave it, they will never forsake it. The
Speaker 1: NFL now knows after George Floyd, they are invincible. Their
Speaker 1: p ones will endure unending things and they'll still keep watching.
Speaker 1: They were taught a lesson. And again, I'm not judging.
Speaker 1: I am not mistakes too. I do bad things too.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't even call mistakes. I do things I shouldn't
Speaker 1: do too. I'm not telling you to turn off the
Speaker 1: NFL either.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: You live your life the way you want go, enjoy
Speaker 1: your football. But this is the result of that. The
Speaker 1: NFL learned they are invincible, untouchable. They learn their lesson well,
Speaker 1: and now that's how they operate. It is the Jesse
Speaker 1: Kelly Show on a Monday.
Speaker 2: Member you can email.
Speaker 1: Us Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. But enough of
Speaker 1: that right now, because I want to get right to
Speaker 1: doctor Michael Waller. He is the director of Strategy for
Speaker 1: the Center for Security Policy and for our purposes. Tonight,
Speaker 1: he is going to explain well quite a few things
Speaker 1: about insurgency. But I want to talk about this armed
Speaker 1: Queers of Salt Lake City breakdown, and I want to
Speaker 1: understand how these organizations work, how these Antifa terror sales work.
Speaker 1: And so doctor Waller, the floor is yours. Explain this
Speaker 1: insurgency to us as best you can.
Speaker 4: An insurgency is an organization or a movement that works
Speaker 4: above ground legally and has an underground movement for the
Speaker 4: purposes of committing crimes and violence and secret conspiracies. So
Speaker 4: we're at that stage now in parts of our country
Speaker 4: where authorities have let things get so far out of
Speaker 4: control that you have a full blown insurgency, just like
Speaker 4: the time that they had in say El Salvador forty
Speaker 4: years ago. It's a communist led it has a lot
Speaker 4: of fellow travelers and useful idiots who don't know what
Speaker 4: they're doing, and it has an above ground part that
Speaker 4: you can see and an underground part that you can't see.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's pause for a moment on where we are today.
Speaker 1: If you wouldn't mind, I would like you to expand
Speaker 1: quite a bit on what the heck happened in El
Speaker 1: Salvador forty years ago, because most of us know, definitely myself,
Speaker 1: are stupid and don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's it's it was a huge thing. Back then.
Speaker 4: They were trying to replicate a communist revolution like in
Speaker 4: South Vietnam, which had just collapsed to the communists just
Speaker 4: a few years earlier. So in America, the movement that
Speaker 4: had supported our communist enemy fighting us in South Vietnam,
Speaker 4: they were looking for other causes. So they had the
Speaker 4: Sandinista revolution in Nicaragua, and then right after that a
Speaker 4: communist revolutionary movement in El Salvador and the sanctuary movement
Speaker 4: which came out of that and brought us sanctuary cities here.
Speaker 4: So the Salvador and insurgency, which was trained by the
Speaker 4: Cubans and the East Germans and the Soviets developed for
Speaker 4: L Salvador. But then they had spin offs to come
Speaker 4: up to our country as as what as refugees, as migrants,
Speaker 4: and they were given sanctuary through sanctuary cities and a
Speaker 4: sanctuary movement so that the federal authorities could not commit
Speaker 4: and deport them back to Los Albado see the families
Speaker 4: and civilian support structure of the communist guerrillas coming up
Speaker 4: to Los Angeles and Boston and New York and elsewhere
Speaker 4: to live permanently and then set up their own networks here.
Speaker 1: Okay, again we're speaking with doctor Michael Waller, Center for
Speaker 1: Security Policy. Okay, so where we are now? Break it
Speaker 1: down for us. Where are we with these terror cells?
Speaker 1: May how did they come to be? What kind of
Speaker 1: makeup is there? How dangerous is this?
Speaker 2: Is it? Please explain?
Speaker 4: Well, there's an ancestry to all of this, so it's
Speaker 4: not something new, so therefore it's not something hard for
Speaker 4: our authorities to learn about. If only they had people
Speaker 4: in the system who were looking at underground communists and
Speaker 4: anarchist groups. But the FBI was looking at you and me,
Speaker 4: so they weren't paying attention. And really there's there's almost
Speaker 4: no one left inside the bureau who understands this stuff.
Speaker 4: Be that as it may, these groups have been allowed
Speaker 4: literally free reign for decades. They got their inspiration and
Speaker 4: their training and even the recruitment of their cadres through
Speaker 4: a lot of the elderly now elderly nineteen sixties radicals
Speaker 4: and nineteen seventies radicals tied in with the Weather Underground. Say,
Speaker 4: you know, the same folks who actually get coached Barack Obama,
Speaker 4: Hill Airs and Bernadine Dorn to the Weather Underground. What
Speaker 4: did they do? They got acceptable positions marching through the
Speaker 4: institutions as university professors like Angela Davis and so many
Speaker 4: others at that time. Then they recruited students radicalize them.
Speaker 4: Now we're talking to even on the third generation now
Speaker 4: of radicalization. So a lot of these people get so alienated,
Speaker 4: like everything's fascist, everything's naza, everything's racist. Therefore we have
Speaker 4: to destroy them. Imagine if we had a chance to
Speaker 4: kill Hitler before he created the Third Reich, what a
Speaker 4: better world this would be. So a lot of these
Speaker 4: people really believe that they're fighting evil. They've been radicalized.
Speaker 4: The people in control understand something quite different. They have
Speaker 4: an ideological cause, which is to overthrow our constitution and
Speaker 4: to turn our country into a communist regime. So they're
Speaker 4: using a lot of people who don't know anything about history,
Speaker 4: a lot of very well meeting people, and a lot
Speaker 4: of just twisted six people who are just messed up
Speaker 4: in their larger movement to destroy our society from.
Speaker 1: Within, Doctor Waller, can you explain that we'll get back
Speaker 1: to the actual cadres and the makeup of these people
Speaker 1: for a moment, Can you explain for a moment what
Speaker 1: the violence? How does it help them? Not just assassinations.
Speaker 1: You're blocking ice facilities, You look like a freak. Surely
Speaker 1: this is going to turn people against your movement. But
Speaker 1: they've been using these tactics forever, so there has to
Speaker 1: be a point. What is the point?
Speaker 4: There's a really important point to the violence, because violence
Speaker 4: creates real solidarity. It's kind of like if you're in
Speaker 4: military combat. You've got buddies who you're going through hell
Speaker 4: with and you're going to do anything for one another,
Speaker 4: even if you don't know them from before, and you're
Speaker 4: always going to have a special identity with them, and
Speaker 4: for the rest of your life, you're going to identify
Speaker 4: with them first. So you have a certain kind of language,
Speaker 4: certain kind of gestures where everybody kind of understands everybody
Speaker 4: else at the expense of those who are not in
Speaker 4: the know. So it creates the system of what the
Speaker 4: communists called cadres. It's called cadre building, and these are
Speaker 4: the foot soldiers of any revolutionary movement in the case
Speaker 4: we're talking about here inside the country. So what the
Speaker 4: violence does here? First, you know, if you get into
Speaker 4: any crowd mentality, like you get into a good a
Speaker 4: good concert, right, there are a lot of people and
Speaker 4: it gets rowdy, and you end up doing stuff you
Speaker 4: ordinate really wouldn't do as an individual because it's wrong
Speaker 4: and it's stupid, and it's whatever. It's constructive, but it
Speaker 4: can be kind of fun when you're in it with
Speaker 4: everybody else and you're part of it. If you're a
Speaker 4: doup or you're jected, it's sort of dragged into it,
Speaker 4: or even if you came in planning to do it,
Speaker 4: it's cool, it's exciting. Now you've had an experience, so
Speaker 4: the next time you go into this you're enthused about it.
Speaker 4: And then people see, uh huh, who responded best to this,
Speaker 4: who's most aggressive about this, who will do as they're
Speaker 4: told without question? Who are some of the natural leaders
Speaker 4: in this? And that's how they they locate and identify
Speaker 4: and then end up recruiting hardcore radicals into their movement.
Speaker 4: So if you look at the way Antifa has been
Speaker 4: living up in Portland and Seattle and so forth, living
Speaker 4: in tense, living in squalor living in sort of commune
Speaker 4: where everybody shares everything and shares everybody's experiences and lives
Speaker 4: a very hard life and very harsh weather conditions and
Speaker 4: food conditions and health conditions. But there's a solidarity that
Speaker 4: among them, just like Miles guerrillas did in the mountains,
Speaker 4: and it's going to be an unbreakable solidarity. So that's
Speaker 4: the purpose of the violence. The purpose of the violence
Speaker 4: is also to give them a sense of empowerment. If
Speaker 4: they can hold back the cops, if they can get
Speaker 4: the governor of a state, not necessarily Oregon, but a
Speaker 4: governor of a state or the president of the United
Speaker 4: States to denounce them and to denounce their movement, that
Speaker 4: makes it more important. That jazzes them up, and then
Speaker 4: they get into a clash with cops, national Guard, whatever.
Speaker 4: It's really pretty cool if you're looking at it from
Speaker 4: their perspective. And now they think we are being repressed.
Speaker 4: We have to fight this repression. This proves that they're
Speaker 4: fascists who have come out after us because they're trying
Speaker 4: to stop us from freeing the people of racism and oppression.
Speaker 1: Doctor Weller, the last question for you here, but please
Speaker 1: take as much time as you need. How do we
Speaker 1: stop it? Obviously the cancer has fantastasized badly. These cells
Speaker 1: are everywhere. What is the method to break it up?
Speaker 1: I understand we may not have the expertise at the
Speaker 1: FBI right now, but what should we be doing if
Speaker 1: we did well?
Speaker 4: First, the FBI and federal law enforcement needs to build
Speaker 4: bad expertise. And there are plenty of people on the
Speaker 4: outside who have it. Guys like Andy no On X.
Speaker 4: You know, he's been through all of this. There are
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of people like that who already know
Speaker 4: this and how it works, and they're going to have
Speaker 4: different opinions based on their different perspectives. So all of
Speaker 4: these different folks are going to be very useful. Then
Speaker 4: you have people on our side who've approached it from
Speaker 4: the scholarly perspective, or they've been doing this like as
Speaker 4: I had since the nineteen eighties when I was in college,
Speaker 4: we were collecting information on the left. We still have
Speaker 4: all of that stuff. People older had been collecting it
Speaker 4: since Vietnam. They're still around. They have a whole lot
Speaker 4: of historic knowledge, even who was who and who was
Speaker 4: doing what in the pre digital age. You can collect
Speaker 4: all that material, digitize it, build big databases of it
Speaker 4: because it's all open source, and you can provide it
Speaker 4: to journalists, to guys like you, to law enforcement, to
Speaker 4: anybody who needs it, and help people become experts on it,
Speaker 4: and especially help state and local law enforcement because they're
Speaker 4: the people who need it most.
Speaker 1: He is Doctor j Michael Waller. Absolutely wonderful. Please come
Speaker 1: back and join us soon. Thank you for that bit of.
Speaker 2: Education there anytime.
Speaker 1: This goes to what we've discussed before, a bit of
Speaker 1: we may not have the horses left because they captured
Speaker 1: the institutions, and that was part of the reason they
Speaker 1: captured them, of course, so they could reward their friends
Speaker 1: and punish their enemies.
Speaker 2: Cut and me. Anyway, we'll come back. We'll do some
Speaker 2: more emails. Next book is The Jesse Kelly's Show.
Speaker 1: On a wonderful, wonderful Monday. Remember you can email us
Speaker 1: and you should. We love your emails. Jesse at Jesse
Speaker 1: kellyshow dot com. Jesse My problem with Trump from January sixth, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's talking about on Friday. We did a long January
Speaker 1: sixth talk with the indictment of Komy and the FBI whatnot?
Speaker 1: He says, how could he not have known Democrats were
Speaker 1: going to arrange a break in and make it look
Speaker 1: like Republicans did it. I knew that was going to happen.
Speaker 1: Everyone should have known, says, I can use his name.
Speaker 1: His name is Scott. Okay, it's very fair to criticize
Speaker 1: Trump whenever you disagree with Trump. He's not your god. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's one. But if I may, Trump has and
Speaker 1: I used to be very hard on him because he
Speaker 1: wouldn't do this. Trump has acknowledged and he did it
Speaker 1: in my physical presence. Donald Trump has acknowledged that he
Speaker 1: did not know how DC operated, and he did not
Speaker 1: understand it when he got there for his first four years.
Speaker 1: This sounds like an excuse. Just stay with me for
Speaker 1: a second, though, I'm going to tell you something. In
Speaker 1: your not going to believe it, especially if you're a
Speaker 1: huge Trump fan, if you look up to him a
Speaker 1: great deal. I'm going to tell you something. The two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen version of Donald Trump who walked into
Speaker 1: the White House, you had a better understanding of politics, DC,
Speaker 1: communists and the danger than he did. Do you know
Speaker 1: that you knew more than he did, and he would
Speaker 1: probably tell you that remember this for all the good
Speaker 1: he's done and all the good he's doing. Donald Trump
Speaker 1: was not a political person. He was a New York businessman,
Speaker 1: a New York businessman who cut deals with Democrats, donated
Speaker 1: the Democrats, cut deals with Republicans. He's just a business guy.
Speaker 1: It's on TV. He's a real estate guy. He got
Speaker 1: to Washington, d c. And he got put through a
Speaker 1: four year crucible learning just how evil these people are.
Speaker 1: This is what I want to caution you against, because
Speaker 1: I tend to do this too. We tend to think
Speaker 1: titles automatically come with the knowledge that title should hold.
Speaker 1: Don't we think that it's perfectly natural? Your doctor, he
Speaker 1: knows a lot more about medicine than you do. Right, Really,
Speaker 1: did your doctor tell your kid to take the COVID vacs?
Speaker 1: Your doctor knows less than you do. Possibly, I don't
Speaker 1: mean your doctor specifically.
Speaker 2: Well, that general.
Speaker 1: He knows about logistics, he knows about tactic. Really, are
Speaker 1: you sure? Do you think in the system we have now,
Speaker 1: you get promoted only through merit. You get promoted because
Speaker 1: you know, or you get promoted because of who you know.
Speaker 1: And the exact same thing applies to our politicians. Surely,
Speaker 1: my House representative, my senator. He knows how government works.
Speaker 2: What's real?
Speaker 1: Really, do you think that it applies to the president too.
Speaker 1: Surely Donald Trump, as president of the United States of America,
Speaker 1: he understands how evil the Federal Bureau of Investigation is.
Speaker 1: He understands everything about their history. He understands things like
Speaker 1: Waco and Ruby Ridge and all these other things. He
Speaker 1: knows all this right.
Speaker 2: No, we didn't. He was lost as a river duck
Speaker 2: for his first four years.
Speaker 1: Conceptually, he had the right ideas about a lot of things.
Speaker 1: He knew deportations were good for securities good. Conceptually he
Speaker 1: was right. He's not a moron by any stretch of
Speaker 1: the imagination, quite intelligent. But you knew more than two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen Donald Trump did about the evil nature
Speaker 1: of the communists. Now, in the year of Our Lord
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, Trump is quite aware. He knows now.
Speaker 1: Once you've been shot, arrested, impeached twice, now he gets it.
Speaker 1: Once you've had your own FBI director, at least the
Speaker 1: first one try to take you down and the second
Speaker 1: one screw you over.
Speaker 2: You're pretty aware of it.
Speaker 5: Do you agree with the strategy of focusing on the
Speaker 5: oathkeepers and focusing on prosecuting that group of individuals first.
Speaker 5: In order for it to be a deterrent.
Speaker 6: You've got to throw the net wide, get all of them,
Speaker 6: both the organized groups, crowd boys, oathkeepers, but find everybody
Speaker 6: who went into that building. Find them all again. Not
Speaker 6: because of my concern that those people committed a misdemeanor
Speaker 6: are gonna they're gonna go into the community and reoffend.
Speaker 6: The message has to be sent of zero tolerance. We
Speaker 6: will find everyone and punish everyone who went in there
Speaker 6: so that no one does it again. We will hunt
Speaker 6: you to the end of the earth, even for a misdemeanor,
Speaker 6: and make you pay for that. To send that message.
Speaker 1: Do you think Donald Trump knew that January sixth was
Speaker 1: the Reichstag fire the Communists used to hunt down their
Speaker 1: political opponents and treat them like terrorist Do you think
Speaker 1: he knew that on January sixth? Of course he didn't.
Speaker 1: Of course he didn't. He was calling for Nancy Pelosi
Speaker 1: to bring in the National Guard. Of course she didn't.
Speaker 1: Wonder why she didn't, I wonder why it almost seemed
Speaker 1: like she wanted it to happen anyway. I understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying and that that was not an effort to
Speaker 1: make excuses. There are some things that can't be excused.
Speaker 1: Even naivete doesn't excuse it, But like the COVID response
Speaker 1: of fifteen days to slow the spread, he has to
Speaker 1: own that he always will. That sucked, but it is
Speaker 1: what it is, all right. I'm finally going to get
Speaker 1: to them using their power and things changing. Things are
Speaker 1: slowly changing, and we should take heart in that