Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Gods I View Podcast. I
Speaker 1: am your host, Trevor. How are you guys doing? Right
Speaker 1: off the bat, I have to say thank you all
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Speaker 1: I wake up on like a workday, because I know
Speaker 1: I have Outlook messages that I need to reply to.
Speaker 1: I've got some stupid Zoom call scheduled, but I'm like,
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Speaker 1: mail in there, which we've shared on the show very rarely,
Speaker 1: only once. Most of the time, there's great stuff. There's rants,
Speaker 1: there's commiserating rants, people echoing my own on the show.
Speaker 1: I love those. There's just raw, unadult rated compliments. Those
Speaker 1: make me a little uncomfortable, but deep down I really
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Speaker 1: have view book at gmail dot com. Today's episode is
Speaker 1: gonna be kind of weird. I'm hesitant to even do
Speaker 1: it because I was kind of trying to take the
Speaker 1: show in a more serious direction just kind of focus
Speaker 1: on what we're good at, our bread and butter, or
Speaker 1: sort of philosophical musings about science and religion. But every
Speaker 1: once in a while I think it's nice to just
Speaker 1: mix it up. And so I got coffee this morning,
Speaker 1: and someone who works there's been pressing me on what
Speaker 1: my favorite band is. But this is a tough question
Speaker 1: for me because I don't really I don't want to
Speaker 1: say I don't like music. I like music. I just
Speaker 1: don't know that I have, Like I don't have a
Speaker 1: favorite band. I don't listen to a lot of music
Speaker 1: because I mostly listened to podcasts and books and stuff.
Speaker 1: I feel like you guys will understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If you're here listening to this, you probably aren't listening
Speaker 1: to tons of music. But anyway, so I'm always like
Speaker 1: hesitant to answer that question. I remember my dad when
Speaker 1: I was like, what six or seven? Oh? No, I
Speaker 1: just said I did six seven. My son would be
Speaker 1: laughing hysterically if you heard me say six to seven.
Speaker 1: Somewhere around May. Maybe I was a little bit older,
Speaker 1: I don't know. He had given me a bunch of
Speaker 1: CDs because I lived in Michigan. He lived in California,
Speaker 1: so I'd fly out there once a year. He's like,
Speaker 1: here's some music, a very a very you know, long
Speaker 1: distance father thing to do. But anyway, we don't need
Speaker 1: to get into that story. And it was good music,
Speaker 1: you know, in hindsight, looking back, I think it was
Speaker 1: like one of a I think Red Hot Chili, Pep, Sublime,
Speaker 1: And then there are other bands that maybe aren't still
Speaker 1: really listened too much, like Three Doors Down, you know,
Speaker 1: stuff like that, No Nickelback, thank goodness. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: of course, you know, I admired anything related to my father,
Speaker 1: especially at that age, so I listened to it like
Speaker 1: just at nauseum, you know. And I remember showing up
Speaker 1: at elementary school on the bus and I was, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone had like I was. I was after the Walkman generation,
Speaker 1: but it was still compact disc you know, CD players,
Speaker 1: and someone like asked me what I was listening to,
Speaker 1: and I showed them and I got made fun of,
Speaker 1: like left the mark obviously, because this is now the
Speaker 1: second time today I'm talking about this, and and I
Speaker 1: don't even remember what was cool back then. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know is very much like the Britney Spears and
Speaker 1: Sync Backstreet Boys era. But also we lived in the
Speaker 1: same town at that Eminem lived in like before he
Speaker 1: got famed. Were kind of like as he was becoming famous.
Speaker 1: So not not eight Mile, you know, it was more
Speaker 1: like sixteen Mile and and you know, grossbeck Er, I
Speaker 1: forget the names of the streets, but we were a
Speaker 1: few miles away. Same area code though, seriously, same area code.
Speaker 1: I remember watching his movie eight Mile and he said
Speaker 1: his phone number or he was making fun of somebody's
Speaker 1: phone number, like you're back in the eight one oh now,
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's my area code growing up,
Speaker 1: you know, So I thought that was cool. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: remember everybody had the lyrics. There's this one kid for sure,
Speaker 1: I remember had memorized the entire Real Slim Shady song.
Speaker 1: So I also know that was super popular and I
Speaker 1: liked that too, you know. But from that moment, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just must have caught me a vulnerable moment,
Speaker 1: you know, as a young kid, and I was like, ooh,
Speaker 1: sharing your music interests is like makes you very vulnerable,
Speaker 1: you know, So I've been uncomfortable with that. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we were having this conversation this morning and somebody mentioned
Speaker 1: that their favorite band was a Smashing Pumpkins, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you've surely you know about the Billy
Speaker 1: Corgan shape shifter you know interview, And he did, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't. So that kind of prompted me.
Speaker 1: I had this plan to get into this new biological
Speaker 1: double slit experiment they're trying to do right now, which
Speaker 1: is so cool, but it's very in depth and heavy,
Speaker 1: and I don't even fully understand it yet. So I said,
Speaker 1: let's not do that. Let's not educate and enlighten in
Speaker 1: the audience. Let's have some fun. So that's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. So I have a series of clips of
Speaker 1: celebrity strange encounters, and so I guess we could just
Speaker 1: get right into it. So this was on Howard Stern
Speaker 1: and if you've got kids in the car, you know,
Speaker 1: prepare yourself. Did I get rid of it? Am I
Speaker 1: an idiot? Did I get rid of the Billy Corgan interview?
Speaker 1: I must have? Oh no, it's right here, Okay. I
Speaker 1: remember listening to this and I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is kind of creepy. You know, I had no religious
Speaker 1: framework at all. It is kind of striking to me.
Speaker 1: How similar this experience kind of is to angelic encounters,
Speaker 1: although not really. Because I believe that Billy Corgan was
Speaker 1: having sex with this woman, would she shaped shifted? That
Speaker 1: seems to be the implication as you'll see. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if you've got kids in the car, definitely skip this.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, listen to him. He seems sincere.
Speaker 1: I tend to find people with these stories seem sincere.
Speaker 1: There are people I have suspicions about. We've played. Uh,
Speaker 1: who's the UFO Got of God guy Chris Bloodsoe, I'm
Speaker 1: uncertain about him, you know, I mean, I'm uncertain about everybody,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. He's Billy seems sincere. So let's
Speaker 1: let's listen. Let's see what we think what happened.
Speaker 2: Give me a, give me a, give me it.
Speaker 1: For instance, I sorry, quick, quick, one more interruption. These
Speaker 1: are two separate interviews mashed together. There will be like
Speaker 1: a little noise to indicate, and they're several years apart.
Speaker 2: So just to clarify, I want to no, no, don't
Speaker 2: be embarrassed, Come on share. Why not we have to discuss.
Speaker 3: Let's let's just say I was with somebody once and
Speaker 3: I saw I saw a transformation that I can't explain.
Speaker 2: The person transformed into something other than human. Yes, I
Speaker 2: saw it. Were you on drug? I was not. It
Speaker 2: was totally sober. Wow, you were talking to I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna I'm asking you some questions if you would talk.
Speaker 2: You were talking to someone, you having a conversation that
Speaker 2: we are now this close, and the person suddenly not
Speaker 2: in an hallucination, they said to you, look, something's gonna
Speaker 2: happen here. I'm gonna show I'm gonna morph into something else.
Speaker 2: And you're like, this is ridiculous, that's not how it happened.
Speaker 2: Give me, give me, give me, give me a please.
Speaker 2: I want to see this.
Speaker 3: Imagine you're doing something and suddenly you turn around and
Speaker 3: there's somebody else standing.
Speaker 2: There, a different human sorta.
Speaker 3: It's hard to explain without going to details.
Speaker 2: Rather, but did you say to the person, what did
Speaker 2: you just do here? Yes?
Speaker 3: And they acknowledged it?
Speaker 2: And what did they say? They were from another planet.
Speaker 3: And they wouldn't explain why not again without telling us
Speaker 3: it's a really messed up story.
Speaker 2: A famous person no good.
Speaker 4: Why by the way, why is that good?
Speaker 2: Why didn't you put him on wrestler?
Speaker 3: Even or out there actually a voting member of the
Speaker 3: Rock and Roll Academy.
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 4: I'm just.
Speaker 2: But when you say they transformed into someone else or something,
Speaker 2: I've had that. I was with a woman she took
Speaker 2: her makeup off. I didn't know what it was. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, she totally tricked me. You talk about something
Speaker 2: like that, that's a different story.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I mean it's up there with one of the most
Speaker 3: intense things I've ever been through.
Speaker 1: All Right, So they're going to go into like a
Speaker 1: year's later followed. But just I want to pause and
Speaker 1: reflect on this a little bit. How do you feel
Speaker 1: like you would react to an experience like this? I mean,
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I'm I'm like, I'm I'm divided,
Speaker 1: you know, I am. I am a divided on this issue.
Speaker 1: I on the one hand, I think I would totally
Speaker 1: lose my composure and I might actually not be able
Speaker 1: to participate in society. Like if I'm hanging out with somebody,
Speaker 1: I turn around look back at them and they're not
Speaker 1: a human being and they're like, oh, sorry, my bad.
Speaker 1: Let me change back real quick. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: could I get up and get on my zoom call
Speaker 1: at nine am for my weekly update.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, my instinct is no, of course,
Speaker 1: not like this would be revelatory, this would be earth shattering,
Speaker 1: this would change everything about my existence. But then on
Speaker 1: the other hand, there is just the There is just
Speaker 1: the reality, the mundane reality of like needing to get
Speaker 1: through the day. And I think I probably would. I
Speaker 1: think I'd probably be just like Billy, like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty weird, man, I don't know, strange experience. Now, it's funny.
Speaker 1: He says, it's up there with the strangest thing that's
Speaker 1: ever happened to him. So that's impressive. You know what
Speaker 1: else is this impressive or more impressive?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's pretty bizarre. I mean, here's my issue. I've never
Speaker 1: had anything happen to me anything, nothing even approaching interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, my I call my uncle. He's We're not related.
Speaker 1: He's my dad's best friend from high school. He owns
Speaker 1: a big ranch in the kind of on the border
Speaker 1: of California and Nevada, pretty close to Area fifty one. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's a cool ranch that has natural hot springs. Middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere. You can basically only fly. I mean you
Speaker 1: can drive, but most of the people who stay there
Speaker 1: fly their own plane and land on his long gravel driveway,
Speaker 1: and and you stay in a room and it's got
Speaker 1: a natural hot spring. It's pretty cool. It's it's interesting
Speaker 1: lifestyle that he leads. Anyway, he's constantly recording orbs and
Speaker 1: there's all these things he's seen. He's seen like a
Speaker 1: giant gold tic Tac And he told me that before
Speaker 1: the tic Tac story off the coast of San Diego. Man,
Speaker 1: we're turning into like a UFO show. This is These
Speaker 1: are things I never bring up because I think they're discrediting,
Speaker 1: But I mean, the information is out there. I'm not
Speaker 1: really sharing my opinion. I'm just sharing the fact that
Speaker 1: this stuff exists.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there was.
Speaker 1: You know, you probably know the Nimetz story. You can
Speaker 1: google it if you want, where a bunch of F
Speaker 1: eighteen pilots and carrier strike group interacted with a mysterious
Speaker 1: object of some kind that flew at speeds that are
Speaker 1: not consistent with any known technology, and it interacted with
Speaker 1: something under the water. A lot of folks have commented that,
Speaker 1: you know, like Eric not Eric Weinstein, who's the other
Speaker 1: guy Brett Weinstein, Weinstein, but whatever, I forget that they
Speaker 1: think it wasn't physical, that it was like holographic. But
Speaker 1: the fighter pilot, you know, he was able to lock
Speaker 1: onto it with his imaging camera, his targeting system, so
Speaker 1: that to him means that it was physically real, and
Speaker 1: it anticipated his rally points, like the secret points where
Speaker 1: they were gonna fly next. It would appear there before
Speaker 1: he did. Anyway, it's an interesting story. But before I
Speaker 1: even heard that, my uncle had told me about this
Speaker 1: tic TAC, which is how that craft was described in
Speaker 1: San Diego as well. So anyway, he's seen all sorts
Speaker 1: of stuff. I've been up there a few times. I've
Speaker 1: never seen anything. I just never see anything. I mean nothing,
Speaker 1: you know. I as a kid, I used to feel
Speaker 1: scared alone at night, like in my room sometimes, like
Speaker 1: if I woke up, I'd had this fear I was
Speaker 1: really afraid of like little gray aliens. I had this
Speaker 1: fear that like if I rolled over, there'd be one
Speaker 1: standing there, you know, looking at me. So I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess on the hindsight, that's kind of weird. But
Speaker 1: this was just this was just a fear I had.
Speaker 1: It was an actual experience. So yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: my issue. I mean, I haven't experience. It's true about
Speaker 1: religious you know about I've been communicating with a lot
Speaker 1: of you via email, and you know, people have been saying,
Speaker 1: having like a personal experience with Jesus or God it
Speaker 1: changes everything for these people. And it's like, of course,
Speaker 1: I totally agree, Like no wonder, you know. I wrestle
Speaker 1: with all these different feelings and doubts, and that's why
Speaker 1: I'm always like intellectually searching for answers. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it may not be an intellectual exercise, you know,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately I don't. I don't have anything else, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't have any other experience. So therefore I struggle
Speaker 1: with this. I struggle to believe that Billy Corgan really
Speaker 1: turned around and this person wasn't a person anymore. But
Speaker 1: let's keep listening.
Speaker 3: I will tell you the story, will yeah, And I
Speaker 3: will say go ahead since we're on radio. Thank you
Speaker 3: that the story is even more fantastical than you think.
Speaker 2: Wow, can you give can you give us something? I
Speaker 2: tell you it, Billy, just give me something, please, I
Speaker 2: want to make news again with you. Just give me
Speaker 2: some element of it. To take me to get me
Speaker 2: ready if you were to if this was a movie
Speaker 2: trailer when you saw the shape shifter something.
Speaker 5: The person was naked, a man. The person was naked,
Speaker 5: big conck how many inches? I hope it was a woman?
Speaker 5: Wait a second? Were you in bed with the shape shifter?
Speaker 5: Were you making love?
Speaker 3: How are you in confidence?
Speaker 2: Holy mackerel, Now I'm with you. It was a woman
Speaker 2: you were you made love to her? We all experienced
Speaker 2: these did you all believe me? I've been with people
Speaker 2: whose shape shifted, right, but their personality they were completely
Speaker 2: different people before and after. Are you saying it was
Speaker 2: some lover who'll be actually shaken?
Speaker 3: I can no longer discuss.
Speaker 2: This all right? Wow, who do you think it is? James?
Speaker 2: You would know if you give me a guess. Who
Speaker 2: do you think it is? I have no idea. Should
Speaker 2: we commit him?
Speaker 1: His drummer is laughing hysterically in the background. It's pretty funny. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: of course, it's not a serious conversation, right, He's not
Speaker 1: like on the witness stand, like mister Corgan. Did you
Speaker 1: in fact, on the night of the seventh of September
Speaker 1: encounter an entity named so you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they're joking, so it's hard to know, but he's brought
Speaker 1: it out multiple times doubles down on it, so I
Speaker 1: think he believes it, right. I mean, it'd be kind
Speaker 1: of a weird thing to make up, but people make
Speaker 1: stuff up, so I don't know. Now, it wasn't in
Speaker 1: that clip, but apparently, and this is kind of what
Speaker 1: gets me question. I mean, is that apparently, although he
Speaker 1: you know, although he says it was not necessarily a
Speaker 1: positive experience, he saw this from the same person twice,
Speaker 1: and that just shows you the power of an attractive woman.
Speaker 1: That just shows you the power of a beautiful woman,
Speaker 1: because because he had some kind of encounter of the
Speaker 1: carnal kind, you know, and all of a sudden there's
Speaker 1: a freak show reptile alien standing there, and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe maybe I'll just put that aside,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, hey, listen, I get it.
Speaker 1: I've definitely put a lot of people's flaws to the
Speaker 1: side just because they were beautiful. But uh, to me,
Speaker 1: that see, that seems like a bit of a stretch.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that kind of makes me doubt it but
Speaker 1: he didn't really go into the details. It could have
Speaker 1: been the same night, you know, but did give me think.
Speaker 1: You know, we're we're gonna go on to a couple
Speaker 1: more celebrity experiences like this, but it is interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: this is kind of what this is kind of how
Speaker 1: some angelic experiences are in the Bible, you know. And
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say because people do this, I'm
Speaker 1: not making that claim. People will say they try to
Speaker 1: make the claim like angels and divine beings are actually aliens.
Speaker 5: And.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think you could just as easily
Speaker 1: make the reverse claim. You know, that the popular culture
Speaker 1: lens that we wear causes us to interpret these things
Speaker 1: as aliens or and Billy Corgan didn't say aliens, but
Speaker 1: we'll see that other people do. The truth is I
Speaker 1: just think it's a mystery. But Billy Corgan's story actually
Speaker 1: kind of does align with some angelic encounters. And of
Speaker 1: course we don't. I mean, I don't think Christians necessarily
Speaker 1: believe that all angelic beings are good. I mean this
Speaker 1: is kind of the foundation, like a foundational claim in
Speaker 1: Judaism and Christianity is that there are angelic rebellions and including,
Speaker 1: you know, including if you think the Lucifer's story is
Speaker 1: real and not a later invention. I know some people
Speaker 1: do think that, but you know, if you don't, you know,
Speaker 1: he would even fall into that category of being a rebellic,
Speaker 1: the rebel literally the adversary. And you know, I gotta
Speaker 1: say a bit the motivation for the angelic quote unquote.
Speaker 1: You know, angelic rebellion is lust, you know, so it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily strange that this situation seems to have. Now Listen,
Speaker 1: I understand this sounds nuts, right, Like am I saying
Speaker 1: Billy corg and you know, hooked up with an angel?
Speaker 1: I understand that's insane, and that's almost disqualifying for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I'm just we're having fun today. Relax, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're having fun. But also but also, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is literally like one of the opening lines, is it,
Speaker 1: what is it? Genesis six? Oh gosh, now you're making
Speaker 1: me google a Genesis six. Bene e Laheim is the
Speaker 1: word the sons of God, a word for angels.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So beniella Heim refers to figures who took human wives,
Speaker 1: leading to the birth of the Nephilum. But I was
Speaker 1: actually looking at the actual, the actual. It's a recurring theme,
Speaker 1: but I was looking for the actual passage just to
Speaker 1: get the get the ambiance. And of course I'm only
Speaker 1: going to get the AI overview because AI has ruined
Speaker 1: Earth and I can I can't just rely on my
Speaker 1: ability to google things anymore. I have to scroll through
Speaker 1: a page of stupid Genesis sixty six. Halelujah, Genesis sixty six. Nope,
Speaker 1: that's wrong, thanks Ai. All right, well, so let me
Speaker 1: just do my best recap. So there's the sons of
Speaker 1: God who looked upon the daughters of men. So the
Speaker 1: bene Elohem looked upon the I don't know how to
Speaker 1: say daughters in Hebrew, but something Adam, right, Benny Adams,
Speaker 1: sons of man, so whatever daughter's a man is. The
Speaker 1: sons of God looked upon the daughters of men and
Speaker 1: saw that they were beautiful. I get that, totally get that,
Speaker 1: and took wives of them and had children. Now, traditional
Speaker 1: Christians will interpret this as like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: they interpreted exactly, because the ideas that angelic beings are
Speaker 1: not physical or capable of reproduction. But I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what's in there, so.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you want to how you want to
Speaker 1: interpret that. This is a trope that is repeated throughout
Speaker 1: all sorts of sacred scriptures. It's in the I forget
Speaker 1: the actual text is anuma Alish, you know, one of
Speaker 1: one of the Sumerian ancient Sumerian Onanakian type things. You know,
Speaker 1: all of these small g gods are having hybrid children,
Speaker 1: you know, angelic human children, and those children go on
Speaker 1: to become the men of renown. That's what the Bible says,
Speaker 1: and people will extrapolate this like this is where we
Speaker 1: get the idea of demigods from like Hercules. You know,
Speaker 1: these are like mighty men. And it's not totally scientifically insane.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know that interspecies hybridization leads to large
Speaker 1: offspring or can I think they're generally sterile though, so
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure how this are. But the point is,
Speaker 1: who knows. This is a great mystery. But you know,
Speaker 1: like ligers are much bigger than a lion or a tiger, right.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so other people interpret this as like an
Speaker 1: ancient echo of some real biological event like Neanderthals and
Speaker 1: Homo sapiens interbreeding and making a new species like you know,
Speaker 1: or a different type of Homo sapien, like a chromagnum,
Speaker 1: which is where a lot of arts and things came from.
Speaker 1: Isn't it just freaking fascinating all of it? You know,
Speaker 1: you could spend one hundred lifetime studying this stuff and
Speaker 1: you would still still be desperate for more. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of an interesting story. We'll
Speaker 1: move on. Oh no, I did a terrible drop. I
Speaker 1: want to tell you more about angelic encounters. So there
Speaker 1: is this one one Hebrews thirteen to two. Hebrews is
Speaker 1: a a controversial book because we don't know who wrote it,
Speaker 1: but it is believed I actually don't know who's believed
Speaker 1: to have written it in Christian tradition, but it's a
Speaker 1: letter to the Hebrews. This is the idea a church
Speaker 1: who was composed I think of mostly New Christians who
Speaker 1: were Jewish, so it's a letter to them. I think
Speaker 1: that's the context. But Hebrews searching two states, do not
Speaker 1: forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing so,
Speaker 1: some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.
Speaker 1: And so this is one of the many passages we
Speaker 1: have that supports this idea that angels can take human form.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because even Jesus after the resurrection and
Speaker 1: nobody recognizes him, he looks he's a different He looks
Speaker 1: different until some time goes by and then people are like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's you Lord. You know, so something
Speaker 1: interesting going on there. I don't know what you make
Speaker 1: of that. But and then there is and this is
Speaker 1: this is another odd one. This is it's from Genesis,
Speaker 1: and the passage is called the Three Visitors. And so
Speaker 1: these three men show up and Abraham, you know, the
Speaker 1: father of nations, father of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, he
Speaker 1: learns from these three men that his wife is going
Speaker 1: to have a baby. And this is very shocking because
Speaker 1: they're old. I think Sarah is like a hundred or something.
Speaker 1: And so they they take they they show these three
Speaker 1: men hospitality. It's determined at some point that they're actually angels.
Speaker 1: And so I'm trying to find the actual part I
Speaker 1: want to read to you, guys. I'm sorry. There's a
Speaker 1: passage where oh, okay, here we go, here we go. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is the part of the Bible where Abraham
Speaker 1: is it Abraham or lots. I forget. Somebody's begging not
Speaker 1: to have Sodom destroyed by God. So they're saying, you know,
Speaker 1: if I can find fifty righteous men, will you spare
Speaker 1: the city? And God says yes, and Abraham's like, okay,
Speaker 1: He's kind of negotiating, what if I can find forty five?
Speaker 1: God says yes, forty yes. He gets all the way
Speaker 1: down to what like ten, so it's Abraham. He gets
Speaker 1: all the way down to ten, and God says, if
Speaker 1: you can find ten righteous men, I will not destroy
Speaker 1: And I think the implication is basically like, if you
Speaker 1: can find one righteous man, you know, we won't destroy it.
Speaker 1: It's just like a rhetorical device to tell you that
Speaker 1: Sodom is wicked, I guess. And so so Abraham goes
Speaker 1: off to try to find that, and then the two angels.
Speaker 1: This is Genesis nineteen. The two angels arrive at Sodom
Speaker 1: in the evening. This is a weird passage, very strange.
Speaker 1: It's actually one of the passages in the Bible where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just don't know if I can I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can accept this, you know so,
Speaker 1: but but I'm gonna read it. I'm gonna skip some
Speaker 1: of the really bizarre stuff. If you want to read it,
Speaker 1: this is you know, you can go read it. But so,
Speaker 1: the two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and
Speaker 1: Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When
Speaker 1: he saw them. He got up to meet them and
Speaker 1: bowed down with his face to the ground. My lords,
Speaker 1: he said, please turn aside to your servant's house. You
Speaker 1: can wash your feet and spend the night, and then
Speaker 1: go on your way early in the morning. No, they answered,
Speaker 1: we will spend the night in the square. But he
Speaker 1: insisted so strongly that they did not go with him.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, okay, yeah, they insisted they do not go
Speaker 1: with him, and entered his house. He prepared a meal
Speaker 1: for them, baking bread without yeast in the eight before that.
Speaker 1: That's a weird detail, right, like without yeast. I don't
Speaker 1: know that's a recurring thing, the unloavened bread idea. Before
Speaker 1: they had gone to bed, all the men from every
Speaker 1: part of the city of Sodom, both young and old,
Speaker 1: surrounded the house. They called to Lot, where are the
Speaker 1: men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to
Speaker 1: us so that we can have sex with them. So wow,
Speaker 1: sodom is going hard. This is actually I think you
Speaker 1: know where we get the term sodomy, right, and this
Speaker 1: is this is a proposed homosexual encounter, I suppose, except
Speaker 1: they aren't men, you know, they're angels. And so this
Speaker 1: is the reason I'm reading it is that these are gods, lords,
Speaker 1: angels with the appearance of men. So what do you
Speaker 1: make of that. I mean, there's a way of there's
Speaker 1: a way of like interpreting Billy Corgan's experience that kind
Speaker 1: of matches this, you know, like, but again, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to make too much out of this. It's just
Speaker 1: a little bit crazy. So they're trying, they try to
Speaker 1: beat the door down. A Lot is like offering up
Speaker 1: his daughters instead. That's what's the weird part. But the
Speaker 1: men again, that the angels are now called the men.
Speaker 1: The men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into
Speaker 1: his house. Then they struck the men who were at
Speaker 1: the door of the house, young and old, with blindness.
Speaker 1: That's rough, dude. I think the punishment fits the crime.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, but that's rough. The two men
Speaker 1: said to a Lot again, now they're called men. The
Speaker 1: we go back from angels and men. Angels and men.
Speaker 1: The two men said to a Lot, do you have
Speaker 1: anyone else here, sons and law, sons or daughters, anyone
Speaker 1: who belongs to you? Get them out of here, because
Speaker 1: we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to
Speaker 1: the Lord against his people is so great that he
Speaker 1: sent us to destroy it. So yeah, I mean, they're
Speaker 1: certainly angels because the word angel just means messenger of God.
Speaker 1: So they've been sent by the Lord to destroy Sodom,
Speaker 1: to grab any righteous people, and all they can find
Speaker 1: is Lot's family, right, But I don't know, offering your
Speaker 1: daughters up like that, it doesn't really sit super well
Speaker 1: with me. So but hey, it's a different time. You know,
Speaker 1: Lot isn't the moral foundation of Christianity, right, so we
Speaker 1: don't necessarily need to expect much out of him. But okay,
Speaker 1: So moving on to the next thing. This is an
Speaker 1: interesting story because I kind of sort of have a
Speaker 1: loose connection to this guy. This is Sammy Hagar. Now
Speaker 1: there are Sammy Hagar is one of these people that
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone has a cousin who knows a
Speaker 1: cousin who knows Sammy Hagar. But in my case, actually
Speaker 1: it's true. You know. I think I've told you all
Speaker 1: about my yearly Christmas Eve party with my wife's family,
Speaker 1: and they're all it's like twenty Robert de Niro's and
Speaker 1: their wives. They're all super Italian speak Italian. It's very cool.
Speaker 1: And for many years they had a lot of fun
Speaker 1: just trying to get me obliterated drunk on lemon cello
Speaker 1: and anisset and homemade of wine. And who am I
Speaker 1: to say no, I just wanted them to like me,
Speaker 1: so they filled me up with pasta and wine. There
Speaker 1: are worse things anyway. One of the guys there is
Speaker 1: Sammy Hagar's nephew, and so he's telling the stories and
Speaker 1: I know it's true because I've seen that part of
Speaker 1: the family and photos at his house up in the
Speaker 1: mountains with him, so like, this is actually true. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know him. I've never met Sammy Hagar,
Speaker 1: but they have a sort of implied that he's kind
Speaker 1: of a strange, like he's got strange stories, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, I didn't know that. And
Speaker 1: one time I would have sworn I heard them mention
Speaker 1: like an alien encounter. So I googled it and sure enough,
Speaker 1: sure enough, Sammy Hagar has had all sorts of strange encounters.
Speaker 1: So we're going to play another Howard Stern clip four
Speaker 1: minutes with Sammy Hagar.
Speaker 4: Here go.
Speaker 2: What's going on with you in all this ghost story
Speaker 2: in the sense that this is a very heavy thing
Speaker 2: for me because I'm you know, as I get up
Speaker 2: in years, I'm hoping there's some sort of afterlife. I
Speaker 2: don't think there is, but you give me hope. You
Speaker 2: give me hope, Sammy.
Speaker 4: You know there's something going on, Howard.
Speaker 7: I don't know what it is, but you know, I've
Speaker 7: been touched in weird ways, sometimes in dreams and while
Speaker 7: I'm awake and you're think and it's a dream and
Speaker 7: things happen. My father visited me, my manager when he died,
Speaker 7: visited me the night they died.
Speaker 2: But wait a second, it's deeper than that, Sammy. What
Speaker 2: you're saying is, if I have it right, your father,
Speaker 2: hard drinking man, tough guy.
Speaker 4: Died under a park bench.
Speaker 7: Basically, I mean in the back of a car, a
Speaker 7: police car.
Speaker 4: But pull him out from a park bench, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 2: And the night he dies, there's a knock on your door.
Speaker 2: You hear or a distinct knock, you were sleeping or
Speaker 2: you were waiting.
Speaker 7: I got up and answered the door right and and
Speaker 7: in my house right where I was, the person that
Speaker 7: was with me, my baby was in. I had a
Speaker 7: litt two year old Aaron was a little two year
Speaker 7: old boy. And I answered the door and it was
Speaker 7: my dad. He was like in his twenties, and he
Speaker 7: was drunk and going crazy. He was saying great David
Speaker 7: the Irish and all this stuff. And I said, don't
Speaker 7: ever come like this in front of my baby. Woke
Speaker 7: him up, and it all happened. It was like a dream.
Speaker 7: Slammed the door, went and laid back down. God's truth.
Speaker 7: I mean, you can't make this shit up. And the
Speaker 7: door somebody knocked on the door, and I got the
Speaker 7: fucker he's back. I went and opened the door and
Speaker 7: it was my next door neighbor who had a telephone
Speaker 7: that was an emergency number for my sister and my family.
Speaker 7: Because I was living, you know, I was with my band.
Speaker 7: We were all sleeping in the same house and all
Speaker 7: that same room. Anyway, he goes, hey, your sister's on
Speaker 7: the phone. Look Howard, my my.
Speaker 2: Fur is upumps.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I do all over my body, man, and so
Speaker 7: I just went wow, I knew. I mean, she says
Speaker 7: they found out at four o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2: You know, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: It is unbelievable, and that's happened.
Speaker 2: Do you ever think since it's happened, do you do
Speaker 2: you think maybe you were asleep or you know, you
Speaker 2: were awake when your father visited you.
Speaker 4: I don't know. That's too out there, man.
Speaker 2: What was the second time it happened?
Speaker 7: Well, my manager Ed Leffler, who when I joined Van Halen,
Speaker 7: when I got thrown out of it, you know, when
Speaker 7: we were having our hard times. Ed Leffler had died.
Speaker 7: After that the band broke up and Ed Lefter was
Speaker 7: my manager forever and then he took over Van Halen,
Speaker 7: and he just I was sitting there. We were going
Speaker 7: through hell with the band, and they had hired this
Speaker 7: manager guy who they ended up suing, and all this
Speaker 7: stuff we won't mention names. But long story short, I
Speaker 7: talked about it my book and Ed I was sitting there,
Speaker 7: I was laying in bed, and I just I just
Speaker 7: didn't know what to do it.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to quit the band, but I knew
Speaker 4: it was over.
Speaker 7: You know, we were really at odds and Ed comes
Speaker 7: to me kneels down next in my bed. I'm going, fuck,
Speaker 7: I'm smelling. He's a cigarette smoker. You know, he had
Speaker 7: a certain smell about him, you know, and I'm.
Speaker 4: Going, damn, Maed, what am I gonna do? He said,
Speaker 4: don't worry about It's.
Speaker 7: Gonna be okay, man, he says, you know, I mean
Speaker 7: he just came and flat said that and just straightened
Speaker 7: me right out. I said, fuck it. Next thing I know,
Speaker 7: I was throwing out of the band and life was
Speaker 7: good for me, you know, right, Like, so.
Speaker 2: Do you believe in the afterlife?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Dimensions?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot going on right between.
Speaker 1: Really right, isn't this interesting? I mean I do this
Speaker 1: all the time too, but it is interesting, like our
Speaker 1: desire to use like syntax vocabulary that does not betray
Speaker 1: a religious instinct, you know what I mean? Like, hey, hey, Sammy,
Speaker 1: do you believe in the afterlife? He's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: but I believe in dimensions?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, buddy, I mean, what's the difference?
Speaker 1: You know, like you're saying to go to a you know,
Speaker 1: there's another dimension out there and unseen realm. Will you
Speaker 1: know I've got bad news for you. This is basically
Speaker 1: the premise of most religious books. But I get it,
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't. I don't personally just because
Speaker 1: just because the world is so secular, you know, and
Speaker 1: I know the way I used to feel about people
Speaker 1: who were anything other than extremely rationalistic, productionistic, materialistic. So like,
Speaker 1: I don't like being off putting.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a people pleaser in that way. It's
Speaker 1: a problem, but uh, you know, I don't know, even
Speaker 1: I have to kind of be like, yeah, come on,
Speaker 1: you know when people are like, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like the universe just wants me to take this job.
Speaker 1: It's like, buddy, buddy, like I know, you know, you
Speaker 1: hated Catholic school as a kid or whatever, but you're
Speaker 1: you're you're saying God wants you to take the job,
Speaker 1: you know, and you say that like no one, you know,
Speaker 1: just you just I think it's important to just acknowledge it.
Speaker 1: But I also get it because these words have baggage.
Speaker 1: You know, someone who emails me a lot mentions this,
Speaker 1: like like just saying like identifying, saying you're Christian, It's
Speaker 1: like all these assumptions could be made, you know, because
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of really like you know, words
Speaker 1: have baggage, so they're they're laden with people's experiences. They're heavy, heavy, laden,
Speaker 1: excuse me. So I kind of find that funny. But
Speaker 1: I'm a little jealous. Is that? Okay, I'm a little
Speaker 1: jealous of people that have these experiences. If you please,
Speaker 1: if you've had some experience, email it to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of weird dreams. I had a
Speaker 1: really actually bizarre dream last night. I'm I'm Type one diabetic,
Speaker 1: so like I've noticed, I'll have like really intense dreams
Speaker 1: if my blood sugar goes low in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night, and last night it did. Last night was
Speaker 1: bizarre because, like you know, by it normally is flat
Speaker 1: all nights because you're not eating, haven't taken any insulin,
Speaker 1: like should be flat. But it was all over the place,
Speaker 1: and like the intensity of my dream sort of mirrored,
Speaker 1: you know, because when I woke up, I checked sort
Speaker 1: of mirrored this like pattern. You know. It was kind
Speaker 1: of bizarre. It was like it's almost like a dream
Speaker 1: about like automatic writing, almost like I was in a
Speaker 1: room with a bunch of like I think, famous people.
Speaker 1: It's funny, we're playing famous people right now. And we
Speaker 1: were like trying to write something and I was I
Speaker 1: just felt so like stupid compared to them because they
Speaker 1: were just like they were just having this outpouring of
Speaker 1: like beautiful words, and it was like there was like
Speaker 1: music in the background and like like the the depth
Speaker 1: of the meaning of the writing like oscillated to the
Speaker 1: rhythm of the me It was. It was bizarre. It
Speaker 1: was this one of the strangest dreams I've ever had,
Speaker 1: and so like, yeah, I've had weird dreams, but I've
Speaker 1: never had anything like this, like never like this. And
Speaker 1: my my wife has had these experiences. She's was raised Catholic,
Speaker 1: you know how you know the Catholics like that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. I remember she told a story about her
Speaker 1: grandfather like appearing to her and her mother at the
Speaker 1: same time at actually Sammy Hagar's nephew's wife's house, funny enough,
Speaker 1: And she was having this like big it's like a
Speaker 1: yoga thing, I don't know, and there's some like medium there.
Speaker 1: This is all stuff I disapprove of. I think this
Speaker 1: is so strange and bizarre. I think it's silly, but
Speaker 1: she had this experience and apparently she has this whole
Speaker 1: rationale for a while, it's like beyond any shadow of
Speaker 1: a doubt that this happened because the entity that spoke
Speaker 1: to them related information that only they knew. Oh I'm sorry. Okay.
Speaker 1: So you know those shows like or You'll have like
Speaker 1: a fake spiritual medium and there'll be an audience of
Speaker 1: people and they'll be like, well, and maybe he has
Speaker 1: an ear piece and you know, well, I'm sensing something
Speaker 1: something to do with legs, like something to do with
Speaker 1: legs and the letter the letter is I said p
Speaker 1: it might be Pe. And then nothing happens and he's
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, it's actually d And someone will
Speaker 1: raise their hand and be like, oh my gosh, my
Speaker 1: my father David just broke his leg and he's in
Speaker 1: the hospital. He's you know, he's in and he's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a message about David. It's just bs.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, so there was a person there at this thing,
Speaker 1: this yoga thing, and she was like, hey, I'm getting
Speaker 1: A'm like I it's like a large man who had
Speaker 1: this nickname and they said the nickname and he wants.
Speaker 1: He just wanted me to I don't know who in
Speaker 1: the room he wanted me to tell this too, but
Speaker 1: he wanted me to say thank you for saving the
Speaker 1: brick the bricks. And my mother in law, bless her heart,
Speaker 1: extremely superstitious and spirit spiritual and Catholic, just fell apart, bawling, cried,
Speaker 1: Oh my God, because her she had just remodeled her
Speaker 1: backyard and she saved all the bricks that her father
Speaker 1: had used to pave the patio, you know, and it's like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's amazing, but it's just so hard for me to
Speaker 1: not like, surely somebody else knew, Like there must be
Speaker 1: some rational explanation, right, that's my instinct, like maybe maybe
Speaker 1: she told the cousin and didn't realize, you know, although
Speaker 1: that would be like a crazy trick to play, like
Speaker 1: if the cousin then relayed this information to so and
Speaker 1: so and then and then she used it like that
Speaker 1: would be that to me, seems like that'd be crazy.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Anyway, I remember my wife told
Speaker 1: my grandmother this story, and my grandmother, who's extremely Protestant,
Speaker 1: was like, that sounds like a demon us and our
Speaker 1: religious views man so crazy, so crazy anyway. But so
Speaker 1: I'm jealous though that that kind of stuff's never happened
Speaker 1: to me. So if it's happened to you, let me know.
Speaker 2: Why is everything happening to you and not me?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, is that am I just did? I
Speaker 1: just see into the future.
Speaker 2: I don't understand. I lay nothing happened, nobody visits you
Speaker 2: can have this Shitley just scare Scar, it's scared. Were
Speaker 2: you visited by aliens as well?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I had a UFO experience and all.
Speaker 1: Right, this is when you start to roll your eyes,
Speaker 1: right when the same person's had ghosts, UFOs, vampires, mummies.
Speaker 1: There's a Jimmy Buffett song to that effect if you
Speaker 1: want to look that up, Vampire's mummies and the Holy Ghost.
Speaker 1: You start to be like, oh, you're losing credibility. But
Speaker 1: it's actually this story that I first found is it's
Speaker 1: actually kind of interesting. You know, it's kind of an
Speaker 1: interesting story. And he doesn't go into as much detail
Speaker 1: here as I've seen him go into elsewhere. But let's listen.
Speaker 7: And that was in sixty seven, sixty eight, and you
Speaker 7: weren't high or anything.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't do drugs. I didn't even drink back then,
Speaker 4: and who visited?
Speaker 7: They just randomly picked me and I woke up while
Speaker 7: they were doing it. I'm going to fuck's going on?
Speaker 7: My room was white. I mean, I was like, I
Speaker 7: couldn't see anything. It was a complete white out. I
Speaker 7: later couldn't move all of a sudden, they said in
Speaker 7: another language, just telepathy, this is done. You know, he's
Speaker 7: waking up or whatever, and they yelled a numerical code
Speaker 7: that was obviously you know, like your your past code
Speaker 7: to get into your shit, you know, and boom.
Speaker 4: It was like it was almost like a wire in
Speaker 4: the air.
Speaker 7: And when I woke up and it was black, and
Speaker 7: I was shaken and I couldn't move.
Speaker 2: And when you when you tell that story, a guy's like, Jason,
Speaker 2: look at you, like here crazy. He's back there making
Speaker 2: hands like no.
Speaker 1: It's like cuckoo.
Speaker 4: He's jealous.
Speaker 2: He's jealous. Aren't you jealous? Ever heard that story? Yeah,
Speaker 2: well he's been visited. Why him?
Speaker 1: I just get thinking, like, did they like do sexual thing?
Speaker 2: Did they put a catheter up your people?
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: It does seem to be a theme with these encounters,
Speaker 1: so I understand the question.
Speaker 7: Yes, no, no, there was a physical it was. It
Speaker 7: was from a distance. They programmed into me, they like
Speaker 7: you know, they wireless.
Speaker 2: They think they programmed that you would one day be
Speaker 2: the lead singer of a band.
Speaker 7: No, no, I think that opened my mind.
Speaker 4: It was like a big ascid trip. Brother.
Speaker 1: All right, there you have it. I don't know what
Speaker 1: do you make of that? What do you make of that?
Speaker 1: It's I'm reluctant. I'm reluctant. I'm skeptical. All right. The
Speaker 1: next one is John Lennon. Let's check it out.
Speaker 4: I just put a turn round and there was just
Speaker 4: thing about him.
Speaker 6: Just put the right John Lennon saw it, and so
Speaker 6: did his girlfriend May.
Speaker 8: Pang, and I'm screaming it's a UFO.
Speaker 6: But only now, twenty three years later are people taking the.
Speaker 4: First close look at this.
Speaker 6: Long lost episode A Day in the Life of a Beatle,
Speaker 6: and for the first time May Pang is revealing the
Speaker 6: long hidden sketches made by John Lennon of what he
Speaker 6: saw and stranger still some or even taking a closer
Speaker 6: look at John Lennon's death and the possibility that it
Speaker 6: was linked to something he wasn't supposed to see or
Speaker 6: talk about.
Speaker 2: It must be a flying pilfif. You don't want to
Speaker 2: face it, you know.
Speaker 6: John Lennon's apparent close encounter came at a.
Speaker 1: Time after he'd left the Beatles.
Speaker 6: He was living in New York City fighting a US
Speaker 6: government attempt to deport him. He was under surveillance by
Speaker 6: the FBI because of his left wing political activities, and
Speaker 6: he was separated from his wife, Yoko Ono, living with
Speaker 6: his one time assistant May Pang in a penthouse on
Speaker 6: East fifty second Street.
Speaker 1: Roe definitely had a type. I'll tell you that this
Speaker 1: is audio only, so you'll just have to take my
Speaker 1: word for it.
Speaker 8: Finishing up the Balls and Bridges albums that John had
Speaker 8: been working on, and he decided to take a walk
Speaker 8: out on our terrace. And now, mind you, he is nude.
Speaker 6: But if John Lennon made quite a sight, it was
Speaker 6: nothing compared to what May paying says. They were both
Speaker 6: about to see for themselves.
Speaker 8: And all of a sudden, Hume yelling out to me, going,
Speaker 8: May come out here. So I go running out to
Speaker 8: the terrace and I go, what is it?
Speaker 4: I mean what?
Speaker 8: And I stopped and I looked up and I saw this,
Speaker 8: the saucer like thing over our head, just going over us,
Speaker 8: very very slowly, like a snail. And as it was
Speaker 8: flying over us, it just sort of wavered. It just tilted,
Speaker 8: went on, it sort of on on its side a little,
Speaker 8: and I'm screaming it's a And there was no noise
Speaker 8: coming out of it. That's what was amazing. And it
Speaker 8: just hovered over this building for a good five minutes.
Speaker 8: It turned around and it moved out and it just
Speaker 8: went straight up into the sky.
Speaker 4: We just watched it go straight up.
Speaker 6: John Lennon didn't keep the siding to himself. He called
Speaker 6: the police and they told him they'd already gotten three calls.
Speaker 4: He called a newspaper.
Speaker 2: They'd gotten six.
Speaker 6: Within days. John Lennon was also on the phone to
Speaker 6: a radio station where he spoke to all who were
Speaker 6: tuned in.
Speaker 1: I just st it turned round and there was a
Speaker 1: thing about one hundred foot away and very low below
Speaker 1: the height of the buildings, you know.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking what is and I think it's a
Speaker 2: flying storce. It must be a flying stort here. So
Speaker 2: you don't want to face it, you know, even if
Speaker 2: it was freaked like me, you do want to think, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a balloon. Or something.
Speaker 6: But it was only recently that a radio show producer
Speaker 6: in another city got hold of the tape and decided
Speaker 6: to explore its implication.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll wrap it up there. You get the idea.
Speaker 1: A couple other notable things of other people. Now listen,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Celebrities are inherently insane, right, no offense,
Speaker 1: no judgment. But you gotta be a little nuts, you know,
Speaker 1: to be to be a public person, a singer and actor.
Speaker 1: And of course that's a generalization, you know. But Miley
Speaker 1: Sires says a story and I only bring this one
Speaker 1: up because it happened in my in my neck of
Speaker 1: the woods, she says, and she admits she was extremely high.
Speaker 1: So I was driving through San Bernardino with my friend
Speaker 1: and I got chased down by some sort of UFO.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure about what I saw, but I also
Speaker 1: bought weed wax from a guy in a van in
Speaker 1: front of a taco shop, so it could have been
Speaker 1: the weed wax. First of all, I love the idea
Speaker 1: that Miley Cyrus is rolling around San Bernardino buying weed wax.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Cyrus went to explain that the UFO resembled
Speaker 1: a flying snowplow and was glowing yellow. Well, that's weird,
Speaker 1: she continued. I did see it flying, and my friend
Speaker 1: saw it too. There were a couple of other cars
Speaker 1: in the road and they also stopped to look, So
Speaker 1: I think what I saw was real. Well that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's interesting, she said. She doesn't she didn't remember feeling
Speaker 1: threatened by the encounter, and even made eye contact with
Speaker 1: the bean sitting in the driver's seat. I think that's
Speaker 1: what really shook me, looking into the eyes of something
Speaker 1: that I couldn't quite wrap my head around, she confessed,
Speaker 1: adding that the experience left her feeling disturbed. She says,
Speaker 1: I was shaken for like five days. It fucked me up,
Speaker 1: she said. I couldn't really look at the sky the same.
Speaker 1: I thought they might come back. Well, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's kind of wild. Again, I'm left with that same feeling.
Speaker 1: How could you just go back to living normal life?
Speaker 1: But I mean, we don't have a choice, you know,
Speaker 1: so maybe maybe that's the appropriate reaction. You're just you're
Speaker 1: like screwed up for a few days, and then the
Speaker 1: world continues to slowly turn and you just get back
Speaker 1: to it. I guess, same story Demi Levado, another another
Speaker 1: very credible and reliable eyewitness, revealed that she has been
Speaker 1: making contact with extraterrestrials following her split from her fiance
Speaker 1: Max Eric. That's the kind of power I want to
Speaker 1: have over you know, a woman, you leave her and
Speaker 1: she starts communicating with extra durs. She must have been
Speaker 1: devastated by this guy by breaking up with this guy.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's sound funny and I'm kidding, of course,
Speaker 1: she said. Over the past couple months, I have dug
Speaker 1: deep into the science of consciousness. Uh oh, red Flag,
Speaker 1: I'm doing the same thing and experience not only peace
Speaker 1: and serenity like I've never known, but I also have
Speaker 1: witnessed the most incredibly profound sightings both in the sky
Speaker 1: as well as feet from me. And I believe that
Speaker 1: happened in Joshua Tree, which is also nearby. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: says she claims to have encountered a floating blue orb
Speaker 1: in Joshua Tree. I've been in Joshua Tree. I've been
Speaker 1: outdoors in a jacuzzi looking up at the sky and
Speaker 1: it just scares me. You know, maybe that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Maybe you got to be open to it. Because I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there, and I'm thinking, like, do I try to
Speaker 1: put out the energy out that, like I would like
Speaker 1: to see something because I don't know if you know this,
Speaker 1: but there are people you might call them insane people.
Speaker 1: I think that's rude, who go out there in groups.
Speaker 1: He's called as a CE five or c SETI I
Speaker 1: figure what it's called sea SETI search for extraterrestrial I
Speaker 1: don't know. They go out into like the forest with
Speaker 1: the with the singing or something a didgerido ba wah wah,
Speaker 1: and they look up at the sky and they like
Speaker 1: say prayers or ask questions, and apparently they'll see like
Speaker 1: flashes of light and response to their mental questions. This
Speaker 1: sounds bananas, but if you're doing it, let me know.
Speaker 1: I want to go. This is me. I try to
Speaker 1: pretend to like I'm so skeptical, but in reality, please
Speaker 1: invite me secretly. God's I view book at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: And of course there's many other people, many other famous
Speaker 1: people who are into this. Kurt Russell was flying a
Speaker 1: private plane during the Phoenix Lights, the famous Phoenix Lights
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven. Google that, and he radioed in
Speaker 1: an observation of strange sequential lights. I think I think he.
Speaker 1: I think Goldie Hawn also had an experience in a
Speaker 1: car like that. Someone spoke to her. I'll have to
Speaker 1: google that. Fran Dresser, I don't know who that is,
Speaker 1: but the name sends super familiar. Believe she and her
Speaker 1: ex husband were abducted by aliens during their youth, claiming
Speaker 1: they both recalled identical microscopic scar See, this is weird,
Speaker 1: This is like a common thing. This was a theme
Speaker 1: in the What's a Disclosure Day movie by Steven Spielberg
Speaker 1: that like, children will be abducted, and it does kind
Speaker 1: of seem to be enriched and like famous people like
Speaker 1: something about these encounters seem to I don't know, lead
Speaker 1: them down this path of attention seeking, but I think
Speaker 1: you could just as easily say that people who are
Speaker 1: seeking attention are more likely to have crazy events happen.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Dan Ackroyd, of course very into UFOs. He claims to
Speaker 1: have had a close encounter while camping Guermo del Toro,
Speaker 1: famous director witnessed a flying saucer hovering over a rural
Speaker 1: landscape in Mexico as a teenager. Interestingly, my friend on
Speaker 1: a camping trip in Mexico as a kid had a
Speaker 1: similar experience. So yeah, I don't know. What do you think, guys,
Speaker 1: do we become a UFO podcast? Do we join the
Speaker 1: million other UFO podcasts? I don't think so. I like listen,
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated. But also it's just like people get into
Speaker 1: this and they never seem to get any closer to
Speaker 1: an answer, So it's like, why waste your time? You know?
Speaker 1: But I think all this stuff is sort of compatible
Speaker 1: with a sort of open minded supernatural worldview, and that
Speaker 1: kind of is what our show is about, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think most of what we do in
Speaker 1: the show is we're interested in scientific discovery and cool
Speaker 1: scientific facts about the universe. But we're interested because it's
Speaker 1: just a good method for answering mysterious questions. I think
Speaker 1: where we stop is we don't say it is a
Speaker 1: good method for explo why or how we are here,
Speaker 1: you know, because all science can never do is describe things,
Speaker 1: and as we get increasingly complex descriptions of reality, we're
Speaker 1: not any closer to understanding what it is or why
Speaker 1: it's here. This is the map versus terrain metaphor that
Speaker 1: we like. It's also related to our video game analogy
Speaker 1: we use all the time. It certainly seems like we
Speaker 1: are inside of something, and every observation we've ever made
Speaker 1: in science is consistent with that worldview. There's laws that
Speaker 1: govern the system, and we can make predictions by understanding
Speaker 1: those laws. But we can only make predictions about things
Speaker 1: within the system itself. We can never learn anything about
Speaker 1: what's outside the system, although we can't make observations that
Speaker 1: are consistent with an information universe like a video game.
Speaker 1: A video game is an information universe, so much less
Speaker 1: complex one. But you know, you zoom all the way
Speaker 1: in and you see pixels and it's like, well, we're
Speaker 1: made of pixels, and it's like, well, no, you're not.
Speaker 1: You're made of zeros and ones spinning on a hard drive.
Speaker 1: The pixels are what you see when you're in the
Speaker 1: video game. And similarly, you know, quantum physics seems to
Speaker 1: be telling us the same thing. We zoom in, we
Speaker 1: zoom in, we zoom in, and we don't find smaller
Speaker 1: and smaller legos, you know, we don't find smaller and
Speaker 1: smaller building blocks. At some point, there's just nothing there.
Speaker 1: There's there's this thing called an electron, which can be
Speaker 1: described with mathematics, but it's not really, it's not actually real.
Speaker 1: And then we have all these experiments like double slit
Speaker 1: and delayed choice and all these different experiments that tell
Speaker 1: us it feels more like information than what we would
Speaker 1: generally describe as matter. You know, I mean, I understand
Speaker 1: an electron has mass, it's matter. I get it according
Speaker 1: to the like standard definition of what matter is. But
Speaker 1: the way it behaves, it behaves as if it's governed
Speaker 1: by some rule set, and it is a it's like
Speaker 1: a bit of information. And that's weird again that this
Speaker 1: is this is consistent with like an information universe, a
Speaker 1: system that we're in, and we get to see what
Speaker 1: it looks like from the inside, just like a video
Speaker 1: game character would in his reality if you were conscious.
Speaker 1: But of course, I mean in that video game world,
Speaker 1: you could develop sciences. You could predict how to build
Speaker 1: a catapult, you know, you could. You could do anything
Speaker 1: we could do, assuming a sufficiently advanced video game. And
Speaker 1: so therefore I'm not surprised at what science has done.
Speaker 1: And if you wanted me to get in an airplane,
Speaker 1: I would really hope that you used scientific the scientific
Speaker 1: method and technological prowess to build it not you know,
Speaker 1: the knowledge that the world is composed of information will
Speaker 1: not help you build an airplane. And so I think
Speaker 1: we got to be aware that this is really a
Speaker 1: philosophical pursuits, not a pragmatic one. But it all fits,
Speaker 1: you know, the observations of the world fit with an
Speaker 1: information universe, a system that we're in. And so from there,
Speaker 1: I mean, all of these crazy religious ideas, a lot
Speaker 1: of them seem compatible, you know, and that and that's
Speaker 1: what I really enjoy talking about. So we'll keep doing that.
Speaker 1: But today we took a little detour. But hey, shape
Speaker 1: shifting people and ghosts and all this stuff is not
Speaker 1: incompatible with an information universe. Right, it's unusual. I'd like
Speaker 1: to see, uh, I'd like to see some better evidence,
Speaker 1: but certainly interesting. Okay, anyway, let me know what you
Speaker 1: guys thought about the episode where what you want me
Speaker 1: to keep talking about. The feedback I get is all positive,
Speaker 1: but I mean, people who don't like the show are
Speaker 1: never going to email me, so so I will encourage
Speaker 1: you to give me constructive critical feedback as well. All Right, everybody,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Stay safe out there. It's a crazy world.
Speaker 1: Until next time, God bless,