WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:12.800 Hello, and welcome to the Gods I View Podcast. I 2 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:17.719 am your host, Trevor. How are you guys doing? Right 3 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:20.039 off the bat, I have to say thank you all 4 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:22.640 so much for all the emails. I really appreciate it. 5 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:24.199 It's actually one of the first things I do when 6 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:27.320 I wake up on like a workday, because I know 7 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:30.039 I have Outlook messages that I need to reply to. 8 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:36.000 I've got some stupid Zoom call scheduled, but I'm like, 9 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:40.039 there is a place I can go and hear interesting 10 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:44.119 and complimentary things, and that is my God's I view 11 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:49.359 book at gmail dot com, gmail inbox. Sometimes there's hate 12 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:52.079 mail in there, which we've shared on the show very rarely, 13 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:56.039 only once. Most of the time, there's great stuff. There's rants, 14 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:00.759 there's commiserating rants, people echoing my own on the show. 15 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:07.319 I love those. There's just raw, unadult rated compliments. Those 16 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:09.560 make me a little uncomfortable, but deep down I really 17 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:13.200 appreciate them. So anyway, thanks everybody, and again, God's I 18 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:17.159 have view book at gmail dot com. Today's episode is 19 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:22.239 gonna be kind of weird. I'm hesitant to even do 20 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:24.480 it because I was kind of trying to take the 21 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:29.439 show in a more serious direction just kind of focus 22 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.799 on what we're good at, our bread and butter, or 23 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:38.359 sort of philosophical musings about science and religion. But every 24 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:40.040 once in a while I think it's nice to just 25 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:43.760 mix it up. And so I got coffee this morning, 26 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:47.959 and someone who works there's been pressing me on what 27 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:50.280 my favorite band is. But this is a tough question 28 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:53.480 for me because I don't really I don't want to 29 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:55.480 say I don't like music. I like music. I just 30 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:58.159 don't know that I have, Like I don't have a 31 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:00.480 favorite band. I don't listen to a lot of music 32 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:04.359 because I mostly listened to podcasts and books and stuff. 33 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:07.799 I feel like you guys will understand what I'm saying. 34 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:10.879 If you're here listening to this, you probably aren't listening 35 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:15.560 to tons of music. But anyway, so I'm always like 36 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:21.039 hesitant to answer that question. I remember my dad when 37 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:25.000 I was like, what six or seven? Oh? No, I 38 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:28.840 just said I did six seven. My son would be 39 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:31.280 laughing hysterically if you heard me say six to seven. 40 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:33.879 Somewhere around May. Maybe I was a little bit older, 41 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:35.719 I don't know. He had given me a bunch of 42 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:39.479 CDs because I lived in Michigan. He lived in California, 43 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.560 so I'd fly out there once a year. He's like, 44 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:47.159 here's some music, a very a very you know, long 45 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:51.360 distance father thing to do. But anyway, we don't need 46 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.319 to get into that story. And it was good music, 47 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:57.319 you know, in hindsight, looking back, I think it was 48 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:01.319 like one of a I think Red Hot Chili, Pep, Sublime, 49 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:05.360 And then there are other bands that maybe aren't still 50 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:09.840 really listened too much, like Three Doors Down, you know, 51 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:15.000 stuff like that, No Nickelback, thank goodness. But anyway, so 52 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:19.520 of course, you know, I admired anything related to my father, 53 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:22.879 especially at that age, so I listened to it like 54 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:27.199 just at nauseum, you know. And I remember showing up 55 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:31.599 at elementary school on the bus and I was, you know, 56 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:36.039 everyone had like I was. I was after the Walkman generation, 57 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.280 but it was still compact disc you know, CD players, 58 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:42.800 and someone like asked me what I was listening to, 59 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:44.719 and I showed them and I got made fun of, 60 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.599 like left the mark obviously, because this is now the 61 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:56.599 second time today I'm talking about this, and and I 62 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:59.120 don't even remember what was cool back then. I mean, 63 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:02.400 I know is very much like the Britney Spears and 64 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:06.520 Sync Backstreet Boys era. But also we lived in the 65 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:10.639 same town at that Eminem lived in like before he 66 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:13.400 got famed. Were kind of like as he was becoming famous. 67 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:16.920 So not not eight Mile, you know, it was more 68 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:21.160 like sixteen Mile and and you know, grossbeck Er, I 69 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:24.439 forget the names of the streets, but we were a 70 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.800 few miles away. Same area code though, seriously, same area code. 71 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.519 I remember watching his movie eight Mile and he said 72 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:34.439 his phone number or he was making fun of somebody's 73 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:36.720 phone number, like you're back in the eight one oh now, 74 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:39.079 And I was like, oh, that's my area code growing up, 75 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:41.639 you know, So I thought that was cool. Anyway, I 76 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:47.040 remember everybody had the lyrics. There's this one kid for sure, 77 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:52.079 I remember had memorized the entire Real Slim Shady song. 78 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:54.600 So I also know that was super popular and I 79 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:58.759 liked that too, you know. But from that moment, I 80 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.199 don't know, I just must have caught me a vulnerable moment, 81 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:04.560 you know, as a young kid, and I was like, ooh, 82 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:08.360 sharing your music interests is like makes you very vulnerable, 83 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:11.040 you know, So I've been uncomfortable with that. But anyway, 84 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:15.759 we were having this conversation this morning and somebody mentioned 85 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:17.879 that their favorite band was a Smashing Pumpkins, and I 86 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:21.800 was like, oh, you've surely you know about the Billy 87 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:26.879 Corgan shape shifter you know interview, And he did, but 88 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:29.720 a lot of people don't. So that kind of prompted me. 89 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:33.959 I had this plan to get into this new biological 90 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:36.600 double slit experiment they're trying to do right now, which 91 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:40.800 is so cool, but it's very in depth and heavy, 92 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:44.759 and I don't even fully understand it yet. So I said, 93 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:48.759 let's not do that. Let's not educate and enlighten in 94 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.720 the audience. Let's have some fun. So that's what we're 95 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.000 gonna do. So I have a series of clips of 96 00:05:54.120 --> 00:06:01.360 celebrity strange encounters, and so I guess we could just 97 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.279 get right into it. So this was on Howard Stern 98 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:11.439 and if you've got kids in the car, you know, 99 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.720 prepare yourself. Did I get rid of it? Am I 100 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:19.160 an idiot? Did I get rid of the Billy Corgan interview? 101 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:25.560 I must have? Oh no, it's right here, Okay. I 102 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:27.680 remember listening to this and I was like, oh, this 103 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.600 is kind of creepy. You know, I had no religious 104 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:33.519 framework at all. It is kind of striking to me. 105 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:38.959 How similar this experience kind of is to angelic encounters, 106 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:42.600 although not really. Because I believe that Billy Corgan was 107 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:46.959 having sex with this woman, would she shaped shifted? That 108 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:50.800 seems to be the implication as you'll see. So yeah, 109 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:54.000 if you've got kids in the car, definitely skip this. 110 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:59.240 But I don't know, listen to him. He seems sincere. 111 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.560 I tend to find people with these stories seem sincere. 112 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:07.399 There are people I have suspicions about. We've played. Uh, 113 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:11.839 who's the UFO Got of God guy Chris Bloodsoe, I'm 114 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:16.839 uncertain about him, you know, I mean, I'm uncertain about everybody, 115 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:20.079 But I don't know. He's Billy seems sincere. So let's 116 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:23.000 let's listen. Let's see what we think what happened. 117 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:24.399 Give me a, give me a, give me it. 118 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:28.040 For instance, I sorry, quick, quick, one more interruption. These 119 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:32.199 are two separate interviews mashed together. There will be like 120 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.839 a little noise to indicate, and they're several years apart. 121 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:41.399 So just to clarify, I want to no, no, don't 122 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:45.240 be embarrassed, Come on share. Why not we have to discuss. 123 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:47.800 Let's let's just say I was with somebody once and 124 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.360 I saw I saw a transformation that I can't explain. 125 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:56.399 The person transformed into something other than human. Yes, I 126 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:58.319 saw it. Were you on drug? I was not. It 127 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.720 was totally sober. Wow, you were talking to I'm just 128 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.839 gonna I'm asking you some questions if you would talk. 129 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:07.519 You were talking to someone, you having a conversation that 130 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:12.879 we are now this close, and the person suddenly not 131 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:16.839 in an hallucination, they said to you, look, something's gonna 132 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:19.439 happen here. I'm gonna show I'm gonna morph into something else. 133 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.680 And you're like, this is ridiculous, that's not how it happened. 134 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:24.839 Give me, give me, give me, give me a please. 135 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:25.959 I want to see this. 136 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.560 Imagine you're doing something and suddenly you turn around and 137 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:30.319 there's somebody else standing. 138 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.960 There, a different human sorta. 139 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:34.559 It's hard to explain without going to details. 140 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:37.720 Rather, but did you say to the person, what did 141 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:39.080 you just do here? Yes? 142 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:40.279 And they acknowledged it? 143 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:43.759 And what did they say? They were from another planet. 144 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:48.440 And they wouldn't explain why not again without telling us 145 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:50.000 it's a really messed up story. 146 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:52.600 A famous person no good. 147 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:55.600 Why by the way, why is that good? 148 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:57.279 Why didn't you put him on wrestler? 149 00:08:57.639 --> 00:08:59.120 Even or out there actually a voting member of the 150 00:08:59.200 --> 00:08:59.960 Rock and Roll Academy. 151 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:00.559 Is that true? 152 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:01.000 I'm just. 153 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:08.080 But when you say they transformed into someone else or something, 154 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.360 I've had that. I was with a woman she took 155 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.960 her makeup off. I didn't know what it was. I'm 156 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:17.039 telling you, she totally tricked me. You talk about something 157 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:18.399 like that, that's a different story. 158 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:18.879 Wow. 159 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:21.480 I mean it's up there with one of the most 160 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:22.879 intense things I've ever been through. 161 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:25.879 All Right, So they're going to go into like a 162 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:28.279 year's later followed. But just I want to pause and 163 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.200 reflect on this a little bit. How do you feel 164 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:34.360 like you would react to an experience like this? I mean, 165 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:40.200 I I don't know. I'm I'm like, I'm I'm divided, 166 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:43.519 you know, I am. I am a divided on this issue. 167 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:47.440 I on the one hand, I think I would totally 168 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:52.960 lose my composure and I might actually not be able 169 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:57.879 to participate in society. Like if I'm hanging out with somebody, 170 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:01.159 I turn around look back at them and they're not 171 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:05.559 a human being and they're like, oh, sorry, my bad. 172 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.039 Let me change back real quick. You know, I don't know, 173 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:11.639 could I get up and get on my zoom call 174 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:13.440 at nine am for my weekly update. 175 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:13.960 I don't know. 176 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:17.480 I don't know. I mean, my instinct is no, of course, 177 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:20.480 not like this would be revelatory, this would be earth shattering, 178 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:25.080 this would change everything about my existence. But then on 179 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:27.960 the other hand, there is just the There is just 180 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.879 the reality, the mundane reality of like needing to get 181 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:33.480 through the day. And I think I probably would. I 182 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:35.919 think I'd probably be just like Billy, like, yeah, it's 183 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:41.000 pretty weird, man, I don't know, strange experience. Now, it's funny. 184 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.799 He says, it's up there with the strangest thing that's 185 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:47.519 ever happened to him. So that's impressive. You know what 186 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.759 else is this impressive or more impressive? 187 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:51.759 I don't know. 188 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:56.279 It's pretty bizarre. I mean, here's my issue. I've never 189 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:03.559 had anything happen to me anything, nothing even approaching interesting. 190 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.600 I mean, my I call my uncle. He's We're not related. 191 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:09.720 He's my dad's best friend from high school. He owns 192 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:12.600 a big ranch in the kind of on the border 193 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:15.559 of California and Nevada, pretty close to Area fifty one. Actually, 194 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.120 it's a cool ranch that has natural hot springs. Middle 195 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.600 of nowhere. You can basically only fly. I mean you 196 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:24.879 can drive, but most of the people who stay there 197 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.039 fly their own plane and land on his long gravel driveway, 198 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.720 and and you stay in a room and it's got 199 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:34.799 a natural hot spring. It's pretty cool. It's it's interesting 200 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:40.720 lifestyle that he leads. Anyway, he's constantly recording orbs and 201 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:44.080 there's all these things he's seen. He's seen like a 202 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:48.279 giant gold tic Tac And he told me that before 203 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:53.200 the tic Tac story off the coast of San Diego. Man, 204 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:56.039 we're turning into like a UFO show. This is These 205 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.799 are things I never bring up because I think they're discrediting, 206 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:03.039 But I mean, the information is out there. I'm not 207 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.399 really sharing my opinion. I'm just sharing the fact that 208 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:08.159 this stuff exists. 209 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:08.759 So yeah, there was. 210 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:11.440 You know, you probably know the Nimetz story. You can 211 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.200 google it if you want, where a bunch of F 212 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:19.720 eighteen pilots and carrier strike group interacted with a mysterious 213 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:25.639 object of some kind that flew at speeds that are 214 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:31.080 not consistent with any known technology, and it interacted with 215 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:35.320 something under the water. A lot of folks have commented that, 216 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:41.360 you know, like Eric not Eric Weinstein, who's the other 217 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:46.080 guy Brett Weinstein, Weinstein, but whatever, I forget that they 218 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:51.399 think it wasn't physical, that it was like holographic. But 219 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:54.840 the fighter pilot, you know, he was able to lock 220 00:12:54.879 --> 00:13:00.879 onto it with his imaging camera, his targeting system, so 221 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:04.000 that to him means that it was physically real, and 222 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:08.240 it anticipated his rally points, like the secret points where 223 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:10.960 they were gonna fly next. It would appear there before 224 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:14.279 he did. Anyway, it's an interesting story. But before I 225 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:16.159 even heard that, my uncle had told me about this 226 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.279 tic TAC, which is how that craft was described in 227 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.600 San Diego as well. So anyway, he's seen all sorts 228 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.759 of stuff. I've been up there a few times. I've 229 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:32.679 never seen anything. I just never see anything. I mean nothing, 230 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:35.399 you know. I as a kid, I used to feel 231 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.679 scared alone at night, like in my room sometimes, like 232 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:43.039 if I woke up, I'd had this fear I was 233 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:47.080 really afraid of like little gray aliens. I had this 234 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:50.480 fear that like if I rolled over, there'd be one 235 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.960 standing there, you know, looking at me. So I guess, 236 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:56.080 I guess on the hindsight, that's kind of weird. But 237 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:58.600 this was just this was just a fear I had. 238 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:02.879 It was an actual experience. So yeah, I think that's 239 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:05.759 my issue. I mean, I haven't experience. It's true about 240 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:08.600 religious you know about I've been communicating with a lot 241 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:12.159 of you via email, and you know, people have been saying, 242 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:18.000 having like a personal experience with Jesus or God it 243 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:20.879 changes everything for these people. And it's like, of course, 244 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:25.440 I totally agree, Like no wonder, you know. I wrestle 245 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:29.480 with all these different feelings and doubts, and that's why 246 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:34.840 I'm always like intellectually searching for answers. And yeah, I 247 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:38.440 mean it may not be an intellectual exercise, you know, 248 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:43.759 but unfortunately I don't. I don't have anything else, you know, 249 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:47.360 I don't have any other experience. So therefore I struggle 250 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:53.399 with this. I struggle to believe that Billy Corgan really 251 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:56.639 turned around and this person wasn't a person anymore. But 252 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:57.919 let's keep listening. 253 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:00.919 I will tell you the story, will yeah, And I 254 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.519 will say go ahead since we're on radio. Thank you 255 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.919 that the story is even more fantastical than you think. 256 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:10.559 Wow, can you give can you give us something? I 257 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:13.879 tell you it, Billy, just give me something, please, I 258 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:16.480 want to make news again with you. Just give me 259 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.519 some element of it. To take me to get me 260 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:21.360 ready if you were to if this was a movie 261 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:24.639 trailer when you saw the shape shifter something. 262 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:31.240 The person was naked, a man. The person was naked, 263 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:38.159 big conck how many inches? I hope it was a woman? 264 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.600 Wait a second? Were you in bed with the shape shifter? 265 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:42.480 Were you making love? 266 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:43.519 How are you in confidence? 267 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:47.000 Holy mackerel, Now I'm with you. It was a woman 268 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:53.279 you were you made love to her? We all experienced 269 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:56.480 these did you all believe me? I've been with people 270 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:00.919 whose shape shifted, right, but their personality they were completely 271 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:04.399 different people before and after. Are you saying it was 272 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:06.480 some lover who'll be actually shaken? 273 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:08.200 I can no longer discuss. 274 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.519 This all right? Wow, who do you think it is? James? 275 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.159 You would know if you give me a guess. Who 276 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:19.519 do you think it is? I have no idea. Should 277 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:20.159 we commit him? 278 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:27.679 His drummer is laughing hysterically in the background. It's pretty funny. Yes, 279 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:28.840 I don't know what to make of it. I mean, 280 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.720 of course, it's not a serious conversation, right, He's not 281 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:35.320 like on the witness stand, like mister Corgan. Did you 282 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:38.320 in fact, on the night of the seventh of September 283 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.200 encounter an entity named so you know what I mean, 284 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:44.679 they're joking, so it's hard to know, but he's brought 285 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.879 it out multiple times doubles down on it, so I 286 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.799 think he believes it, right. I mean, it'd be kind 287 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:52.360 of a weird thing to make up, but people make 288 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.399 stuff up, so I don't know. Now, it wasn't in 289 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.200 that clip, but apparently, and this is kind of what 290 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:02.240 gets me question. I mean, is that apparently, although he 291 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:07.960 you know, although he says it was not necessarily a 292 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:12.279 positive experience, he saw this from the same person twice, 293 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:16.039 and that just shows you the power of an attractive woman. 294 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.119 That just shows you the power of a beautiful woman, 295 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:26.680 because because he had some kind of encounter of the 296 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:30.079 carnal kind, you know, and all of a sudden there's 297 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:35.359 a freak show reptile alien standing there, and he's like, 298 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:39.599 you know what, maybe maybe I'll just put that aside, 299 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:41.039 you know what I mean, Like, hey, listen, I get it. 300 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.000 I've definitely put a lot of people's flaws to the 301 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:49.119 side just because they were beautiful. But uh, to me, 302 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:51.079 that see, that seems like a bit of a stretch. 303 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:53.519 So anyway, that kind of makes me doubt it but 304 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:55.720 he didn't really go into the details. It could have 305 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:59.640 been the same night, you know, but did give me think. 306 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:01.839 You know, we're we're gonna go on to a couple 307 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:07.599 more celebrity experiences like this, but it is interesting, you know, 308 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.480 this is kind of what this is kind of how 309 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:15.599 some angelic experiences are in the Bible, you know. And 310 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.160 I'm not trying to say because people do this, I'm 311 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.920 not making that claim. People will say they try to 312 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:28.440 make the claim like angels and divine beings are actually aliens. 313 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:30.160 And. 314 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:33.319 I don't know, I think you could just as easily 315 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:36.920 make the reverse claim. You know, that the popular culture 316 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.960 lens that we wear causes us to interpret these things 317 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.039 as aliens or and Billy Corgan didn't say aliens, but 318 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.960 we'll see that other people do. The truth is I 319 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.599 just think it's a mystery. But Billy Corgan's story actually 320 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:57.759 kind of does align with some angelic encounters. And of 321 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:02.519 course we don't. I mean, I don't think Christians necessarily 322 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:07.400 believe that all angelic beings are good. I mean this 323 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:13.079 is kind of the foundation, like a foundational claim in 324 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:21.480 Judaism and Christianity is that there are angelic rebellions and including, 325 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:24.359 you know, including if you think the Lucifer's story is 326 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:26.519 real and not a later invention. I know some people 327 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.200 do think that, but you know, if you don't, you know, 328 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.799 he would even fall into that category of being a rebellic, 329 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:41.640 the rebel literally the adversary. And you know, I gotta 330 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:45.400 say a bit the motivation for the angelic quote unquote. 331 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:50.720 You know, angelic rebellion is lust, you know, so it's 332 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:56.759 not necessarily strange that this situation seems to have. Now Listen, 333 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.359 I understand this sounds nuts, right, Like am I saying 334 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:02.759 Billy corg and you know, hooked up with an angel? 335 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:06.519 I understand that's insane, and that's almost disqualifying for a 336 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:10.440 lot of people. I'm just we're having fun today. Relax, Okay, 337 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:16.240 we're having fun. But also but also, I mean, this 338 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:18.599 is literally like one of the opening lines, is it, 339 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:22.839 what is it? Genesis six? Oh gosh, now you're making 340 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:26.359 me google a Genesis six. Bene e Laheim is the 341 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:29.759 word the sons of God, a word for angels. 342 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:32.000 Uh. 343 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:35.319 Yeah, So beniella Heim refers to figures who took human wives, 344 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:39.119 leading to the birth of the Nephilum. But I was 345 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:45.400 actually looking at the actual, the actual. It's a recurring theme, 346 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:51.000 but I was looking for the actual passage just to 347 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:56.119 get the get the ambiance. And of course I'm only 348 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:58.640 going to get the AI overview because AI has ruined 349 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:01.160 Earth and I can I can't just rely on my 350 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:04.160 ability to google things anymore. I have to scroll through 351 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:13.720 a page of stupid Genesis sixty six. Halelujah, Genesis sixty six. Nope, 352 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:17.319 that's wrong, thanks Ai. All right, well, so let me 353 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:19.599 just do my best recap. So there's the sons of 354 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:23.079 God who looked upon the daughters of men. So the 355 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:27.039 bene Elohem looked upon the I don't know how to 356 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:32.680 say daughters in Hebrew, but something Adam, right, Benny Adams, 357 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:34.799 sons of man, so whatever daughter's a man is. The 358 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:39.240 sons of God looked upon the daughters of men and 359 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:43.799 saw that they were beautiful. I get that, totally get that, 360 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:49.440 and took wives of them and had children. Now, traditional 361 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:55.440 Christians will interpret this as like, I don't know how 362 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:58.880 they interpreted exactly, because the ideas that angelic beings are 363 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:02.599 not physical or capable of reproduction. But I mean, that's 364 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:03.480 what's in there, so. 365 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:06.039 I don't know. 366 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:07.640 I don't know, you want to how you want to 367 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:11.880 interpret that. This is a trope that is repeated throughout 368 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:16.200 all sorts of sacred scriptures. It's in the I forget 369 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.880 the actual text is anuma Alish, you know, one of 370 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:24.279 one of the Sumerian ancient Sumerian Onanakian type things. You know, 371 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:33.599 all of these small g gods are having hybrid children, 372 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:37.519 you know, angelic human children, and those children go on 373 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.480 to become the men of renown. That's what the Bible says, 374 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:44.799 and people will extrapolate this like this is where we 375 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:48.200 get the idea of demigods from like Hercules. You know, 376 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:55.440 these are like mighty men. And it's not totally scientifically insane. 377 00:22:55.480 --> 00:23:01.880 I mean, we know that interspecies hybridization leads to large 378 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:05.759 offspring or can I think they're generally sterile though, so 379 00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:07.599 I'm not really sure how this are. But the point is, 380 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:11.200 who knows. This is a great mystery. But you know, 381 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:14.880 like ligers are much bigger than a lion or a tiger, right. 382 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:19.480 But anyway, so other people interpret this as like an 383 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:24.119 ancient echo of some real biological event like Neanderthals and 384 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:29.079 Homo sapiens interbreeding and making a new species like you know, 385 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:32.279 or a different type of Homo sapien, like a chromagnum, 386 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:37.640 which is where a lot of arts and things came from. 387 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:41.599 Isn't it just freaking fascinating all of it? You know, 388 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.440 you could spend one hundred lifetime studying this stuff and 389 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:49.160 you would still still be desperate for more. But anyway, 390 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.720 I thought that was kind of an interesting story. We'll 391 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:55.640 move on. Oh no, I did a terrible drop. I 392 00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:59.319 want to tell you more about angelic encounters. So there 393 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:06.759 is this one one Hebrews thirteen to two. Hebrews is 394 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:11.559 a a controversial book because we don't know who wrote it, 395 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:17.400 but it is believed I actually don't know who's believed 396 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:19.759 to have written it in Christian tradition, but it's a 397 00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:22.720 letter to the Hebrews. This is the idea a church 398 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:31.039 who was composed I think of mostly New Christians who 399 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:33.720 were Jewish, so it's a letter to them. I think 400 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:38.039 that's the context. But Hebrews searching two states, do not 401 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:42.759