1 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: I'm Martin Willershure, host And as some of you watching live, 3 00:00:17,839 --> 00:00:20,760 you see the background, you're saying, well, that doesn't look 4 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:24,800 like my normal place. Well, it's my summer place that 5 00:00:24,839 --> 00:00:27,320 I go to. I'm in ports with New Hampshire and 6 00:00:27,559 --> 00:00:30,839 I have a great guest tonight and Ron James. 7 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: We've got to know each other over the years. 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 2: He's a great filmmaker, does an excellent job and we're 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,240 going to be talking about all kinds of things. I'm 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,920 always excited to speak with Ron. And last time we 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,960 saw each other was when I was out in Sedona 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,640 at the Travis Walton thing last year. That was a 13 00:00:47,679 --> 00:00:51,240 really good time, great time out there. A couple of things. Well, 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,600 since I'm saying I'm in ports with New Empshire, I 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,759 got to say I'm going to be going tomorrow to 16 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:58,759 the Betty and Barney Hill. I'll pull that up in 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,719 just a second here in Barney Hill. We're from Portsmouth, 18 00:01:03,719 --> 00:01:06,280 New Hampshire, and let me just see if I can 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,519 get that. Yeah, I'm going to pull that website up 20 00:01:09,599 --> 00:01:11,599 just so people can see it because. 21 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting. 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: The Portsmouth Historical Society is running a Betty and Barney 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,239 Hill exhibition and that is open. 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to go there tomorrow and I'm. 25 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,079 Speaker 2: Going to see if they'll let me film things like that, 26 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:27,400 maybe talk to a couple of people. And they're having 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,280 an event on September fourth, and I'm going to be 28 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,640 here and I really am excited about that, and Kathy 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,680 Martin will be I do believe we'll be at the event. 30 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,159 Speaker 1: And so just a couple of other things. 31 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: Though we have our blog this week is timely as well, 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,480 and let me get that up, and it is by 33 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:56,400 Charles Lear as always, and this is about the Chuck 34 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,760 Clark video. Everybody's been talking about it. When something happens, 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,799 get a lot of text and emails from a lot 36 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,519 of different people. And thank you all for the people 37 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:09,439 like Palmer and Paul and Phil and Peggy and all 38 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:12,199 these different people get in touch with me when something 39 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:12,520 goes on. 40 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: I can't forget Bobby. 41 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: Bobby always says, since twenty thirteen, has been sending me 42 00:02:18,439 --> 00:02:22,639 all types of information here. So anyway, this footage showed up. 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,800 I guess it was at Jesse Michaels video. And I 44 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,759 have spoken many times with James Fox about this and 45 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,199 He said that it was the end all of videos 46 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,719 and he was trying to get it from Chuck Clark 47 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:38,439 for many years and offered him money and all that, 48 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,680 and somehow it got out and it's a VHS tape 49 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,080 of it. They had a camera in the car and 50 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,800 they sound like they're horrified. So I'm going to try 51 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,879 to get James Fox on to talk about that a 52 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,319 little bit. We have our weekly I'm i should say, 53 00:02:58,479 --> 00:03:02,000 our monthly FUX headlines. It's going to be on May seventh, 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,840 on Thursday, once a month, UFO Jack and I do that. 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:08,439 Speaker 1: We're going to be. 56 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: Doing that on May seventh, and hopefully I'll have James 57 00:03:13,439 --> 00:03:15,159 Fox in for a minute talking about that. There's a 58 00:03:15,159 --> 00:03:18,400 lot of you know, things going on as far as 59 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,919 when it comes to all the UFO news lately. As 60 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,879 you all know, there's a lot happening. So this is uh, 61 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,080 I'm going to bring Ron. 62 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,879 Speaker 1: In and let's see. Let me just do it this way. 63 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:39,240 There we go. Sorry about that, Ron, I'm not always 64 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,120 like you know, my. 65 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: My longtime followers know that I'm just a ludite. I'm 66 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:48,360 terrible at technology. And and so they watched for entertainment 67 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,520 to see what I'm going to do wrong. 68 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:52,719 Speaker 3: Next, I understand. 69 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:56,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, and I watched you on what 70 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,439 is that called behind the scenes and move on the 71 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:04,400 tell something? What's that called where you create videos? It's 72 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,639 very very complicated. 73 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: I've used it. 74 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, running the TriCaster during the life, that's what 75 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:10,879 it's called. Yeah. 76 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of work. I've done that at Contact. 77 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,439 I'm not Contact. At the International UFO Congress. I used 78 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:21,399 to do that there, and wow, that's a lot of work, 79 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:22,160 a lot of work. 80 00:04:22,319 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 3: Crazy. 81 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,399 Speaker 2: But so you have this film we're going to be 82 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:28,360 talking about. One of the things is this film you 83 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:30,439 have here, the Accidental Truth? 84 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: Next, and what did I see in Sedona? 85 00:04:35,319 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: You saw an early cut of this film? 86 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I thought, I do. 87 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: The finished ones had a lot of more things done 88 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,000 to it. And it's coming out June second. 89 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and you're going to be actually at Contact 90 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:49,600 in the Desert. 91 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: It's going to be premiered there. 92 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: Or yeah, we're having the world premiered June first, at Monday, 93 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:59,199 June first, at Contacting the Desert anyway there it's free. 94 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll tell you what there was a I 95 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:05,720 can tell the audience where I was at in Sedona. 96 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: We all loved it. It was really good. So I'm 97 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,759 excited to see it. And so starting out, you and 98 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,199 I both were at the We went to Washington, d C. 99 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,720 That's where we saw each other. You know. One of 100 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,639 the times we saw each other that was writing. Don't 101 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,040 you think were you at You were at both of them? 102 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,000 Weren't you on the well two of them? 103 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: Right? Well, I just did the two that week. I 104 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,759 did the one where Luela Zondo testified, and then I 105 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,519 came back later for the one that christ and Jillibrand had. 106 00:05:36,319 --> 00:05:39,120 Oh okay, yes lost yet arrow. But I didn't come 107 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,000 to the one after that. 108 00:05:40,759 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: Right, I missed that one too, and I wish I 109 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:45,639 hadn't because that seemed like a really good one. You know, 110 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:48,800 the first one I went to with David rush I 111 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,079 thought that was you know, historic, It felt historic to 112 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:52,800 be in that room. 113 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: It was yeah, yeah, that was a great time. And 114 00:05:57,079 --> 00:06:02,120 so you know, do you think we're the needles moving forward? 115 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:02,720 What do you think? 116 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of there's certainly people in 117 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,800 the government that are paying attention to this now, and 118 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,199 at least the politicians, some politicians are and pushing it 119 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:16,480 Luna and birch D and Earlson and Burlison. 120 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the thing is, Martin, we're going to 121 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,680 get some form of disclosure through this political process, and 122 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,240 many can say that we already have, but these guys 123 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:30,519 are never going to allow the entire truth of this 124 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,240 issue to come out through any process. And so, even 125 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:40,600 though it's heartening to see progress being made, its progress 126 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:46,360 towards the release and finalization of a predestined narrative that 127 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:49,839 these people have decided to implement. It started publicly front 128 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,120 facing again in twenty seventeen. Can you believe it's been 129 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,480 almost a decade since we got these videos in Loue 130 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,399 Alizondo and Chris Mellon and all these guys. And the 131 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,920 question that we ask in the new film is, you know, 132 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,319 have we gotten any closer to disclosure? And the answer 133 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:09,480 really you can say, well, there's a lot of developments 134 00:07:09,519 --> 00:07:12,439 that have happened, but are we any closer to official 135 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:16,360 disclosure of the entire truth of this issue? I don't 136 00:07:16,399 --> 00:07:16,720 think so. 137 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I've said all along that I'll look at 138 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,120 the doggie. We got a doggie in the background. 139 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:26,839 Speaker 3: I lay down. 140 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said all along that. I don't think, you know, 141 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,959 there's anyone that actually knows the full picture. And because 142 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,720 of that, that's quite possible. 143 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and because of that we I don't think it 144 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,439 would be safe to release or they would never feel 145 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,680 like it was safe to release it, because how could 146 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,720 they possibly say they could protect us from something they 147 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,680 don't really know the whole picture of. 148 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,639 Speaker 3: No, it's true, and you know, the whole history of 149 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,040 this phenomenon from the time it started getting covered up 150 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:02,839 officially in this century or you know, over the last 151 00:08:02,959 --> 00:08:07,160 hundred years, the people that really had the bigger picture 152 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:12,680 are mostly gone, and it's questionable. Rather, this knowledge has 153 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,800 even been passed down through organizations, even small groups. So 154 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,759 the number of people on the planet that know the 155 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,439 entire breadth of this topic are few and far between, 156 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,399 if they exist at all. 157 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,199 Speaker 2: I have I have asked the questions like that, I 158 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,759 do believe I've asked when I had Chris Melton, actually 159 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:36,120 I was lucky enough to be the first one to 160 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:42,600 interview him in twenty fifteen, like Roswell, for instance, how 161 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,960 is that? How does the legacy whatever they did have, 162 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:48,759 how does that move forward? Or you know, I mean, 163 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,639 it's just a big puzzle to me. Still, I don't 164 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,000 really understand how that works. You know, it's a generational thing. 165 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,279 How does the information move forward and where does it go? 166 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:02,480 And where's a hidden and all that. 167 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 3: You know, it's we hope, right Martin, that somewhere there's 168 00:09:07,159 --> 00:09:11,720 this vault where the photos from Roswell and the wreckage 169 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:14,799 and everything is still stored, and the bodies if they 170 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,200 found them, But it's altogether likely that no vault like 171 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:22,240 that exists. They probably they could have just poureded off 172 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,799 some of the materials to different aerospace companies and destroyed 173 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,159 the evidence, and that would be a tragedy to history. 174 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,960 But the you know, the military and the intelligence community 175 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:37,080 has a way of literally destroying historical evidence. And hopefully 176 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,200 that didn't happen. Maybe someday we'll get to see these pictures. 177 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,000 I just got an email from a guy who says 178 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,360 that he's working with someone who has shown some pictures 179 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,120 and they recreated them in AI and swears that they're 180 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:57,080 the pictures they were shown. And so it was two guys, 181 00:09:57,159 --> 00:09:59,480 two military guys kneeling in front of a body in 182 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,480 front of a craft. And the guy says, this is 183 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,919 as close to the image as I saw, So there's 184 00:10:04,919 --> 00:10:09,120 always going to be that hearsay that comes out. But yeah, 185 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:11,120 wouldn't it be great if they just whip that stuff 186 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:14,360 out and share it with us really verifiable way. 187 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: I know, that's the key, verifiable way. 188 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,159 Speaker 2: You're right, So, in general, do you think the do 189 00:10:21,159 --> 00:10:24,240 you think the government is trying to prepare the public 190 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:27,840 or stall the public more? I mean, that's what it 191 00:10:27,879 --> 00:10:29,759 feels like to me. But I mean, how do you 192 00:10:29,799 --> 00:10:30,519 feel about that? 193 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:33,799 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm in the camp that says that 194 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:37,320 everything that we've seen since twenty seventeen is part of 195 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,240 an organized role out of information. They want to reshape 196 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,240 the narrative so that everybody that was involved in this 197 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:46,960 horrible cover up over time, the corporations, the things that 198 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,440 have been done, the things that have been concealed, the 199 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,919 literal crimes against humanity that have happened as a result 200 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,960 of keeping this stuff secret, They've got to whitewash themselves 201 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,240 of all of this and be able to present and 202 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,559 some kind of information in a way that nobody's going 203 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,759 to get in a lot of trouble over So are 204 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:09,600 we alone in the universe? Is there non human intelligence 205 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:13,600 interacting with us? We're probably going to get, you know, 206 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:16,679 some kind of answer to that from an official stand, 207 00:11:17,159 --> 00:11:19,360 but they're going to say, yeah, but that's all we know, 208 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:22,480 and the things that we know have gone on since 209 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,519 the early late thirties, they're going to continue to deny. 210 00:11:27,159 --> 00:11:30,159 And and that's the uh, that's that's the tragedy of 211 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,639 this official disclosure process. It's unfolding in DC. It's only 212 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,720 going to get us so far. And that's what we 213 00:11:36,759 --> 00:11:40,120 talk about in the new films is I take people 214 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,159 on a tour behind the scenes in Washington, DC, and 215 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,279 I show some of the things that we've actually done 216 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:48,279 and some of the conversations that we've had. But in 217 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,960 the middle of the film we just kind of throw 218 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,399 our hands up in the air and say, you know, 219 00:11:51,919 --> 00:11:55,440 we're only getting to a certain point. We have to 220 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,720 look elsewhere for the rest of the answers. 221 00:11:58,159 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: Hmmm. 222 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:01,639 Speaker 2: And now I've heard people say, you know, we need 223 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:05,759 like a I think they call it catastrophic disclosure in 224 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:07,919 other words, of mass sighting or something like that. 225 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that would that would help. 226 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:15,519 Speaker 2: But and then I don't know what's uh, what's happened lately. 227 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,480 I've been really paying attention unfortunately but with the forty 228 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:23,039 six videos that we're supposed to come out, as, have 229 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,240 you heard anything more on that? I mean, I haven't 230 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:29,559 really seen anything. Usually people send me everything, and I 231 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,320 haven't seen anything coming up about that. 232 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:34,399 Speaker 3: There's nothing new. I mean, they're supposed to come out 233 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,519 a few days ago, I think, and Hegseeth is on 234 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,679 the record as saying you're going to release this stuff. 235 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,600 But you know, as with anything that's that's supposed to 236 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,240 come out from the government related to this stuff, there's 237 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,320 foot dragging, and there's opposition and there's internal infighting, and 238 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,600 Luna has pretty much said that you know, you guys 239 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,399 are going to see these videos and then you're gonna 240 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:00,399 have to make up your own mind, because our stance 241 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,399 is going to be, we have these videos, we don't 242 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,960 know what they are, and that's pretty much what they're 243 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,879 gonna The position they're going to take is we don't know, 244 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:12,679 and so there you go, and that's what we're going 245 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:15,879 to get from them. So yeah, it's gonna be like 246 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,480 I said, it's a limited hangout of disclosure. It's not 247 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,440 the whole truth of everything that's happened with humanity's interaction 248 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,519 with non human intelligence. And even if they're just only 249 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,919 going to give us the bare minimum of information to 250 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,200 fit the day, you know. 251 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,519 Speaker 1: I think that, hey, if they can put the videos 252 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:41,960 out there and say make up your own mind, I'm 253 00:13:42,039 --> 00:13:46,519 absolutely fine with that. You know, Yeah, I mean I 254 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:47,440 understand that, Martin. 255 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 3: It's it's going to be cool, and you know, the 256 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,200 Internet will certainly speculate all over the place and they'll 257 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,799 be podcasts, but it's still not the definitive. This is 258 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,440 what we know, this is how it applies to the 259 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,080 future of civilization, and you know, that's what we really want. 260 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,240 That's disclosure with the big d the whole truth. And 261 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:10,000 so yeah, we're going to get some videos, probably hopefully, 262 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:17,159 But are we going to get definitive official answers? Not likely. 263 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: I remember Lou Alsondo like two years ago said we 264 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,559 were going to see a twenty three minute video and 265 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:25,600 I did ask him the last time I had him on, 266 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,600 and I don't I can't really remember his answer other 267 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:32,679 than that, you know, it may be coming, but I 268 00:14:32,679 --> 00:14:35,159 don't know what's in that twenty three minute video, But 269 00:14:36,039 --> 00:14:41,639 any anything that would get more people to look at 270 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:45,200 this topic and take it seriously and more eyeballs. 271 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: You have on it. 272 00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: More people that are scientists that will actually stop and 273 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:51,200 take a look at things like this, I think the better. 274 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:56,320 So here's a question for you right here, And did you. 275 00:14:56,279 --> 00:14:58,159 Speaker 1: Have something to say? I'm sorry I interrupted you. 276 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 3: No, I was actually going to bring up this question. 277 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: So, and this is just so the listeners people that 278 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,639 hear audio only. So Chris was asking if you Ron 279 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,919 can share your thoughts about the scientists who have disappeared. 280 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: A lot of people talking about that. 281 00:15:15,559 --> 00:15:19,639 Speaker 3: It's a big story, and you know, yeah, so I 282 00:15:19,679 --> 00:15:21,600 was doing some of my own research on that. And 283 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:25,759 what's really interesting is that you know two of the 284 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:28,080 prevalent ones and let me let me grab my notes here. 285 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,679 You know, we have McCaslin who disappeared, the general that 286 00:15:32,759 --> 00:15:36,559 oversaw everything of right Patterson. If anybody knew what was 287 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,799 going on there, it was this guy. And the fact 288 00:15:40,799 --> 00:15:43,200 that he left his house with nothing but a gun 289 00:15:44,279 --> 00:15:48,360 is really really you know, nobody wants to talk about it, 290 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:51,440 but there's a really good case that you know, once 291 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,159 you're in this field, you know you're you're an agent, 292 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:58,080 you're a high ranking person with classified information. There may 293 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,039 come a time when you are asked to on a 294 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,000 live yourself from this planet and given the time window 295 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,000 and the opportunity to do it however you want, you know, 296 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,519 because there's very few other explanations for what this guy 297 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,600 did if all of it is true, and I've been 298 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:17,879 looking into it and it seems like it. And then 299 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:20,519 we have, you know, some of these other people like 300 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,159 Monica Reza. She was a scientist that did some materials 301 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,279 research and came up with an alloy that they use 302 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,480 in spaceflight. Now, the interesting thing about her is that 303 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:36,279 she this alloy that she supposedly developed had memory retaining 304 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,960 shape shifting capabilities, just like Night and All that we 305 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,159 were in the first Accidental Truth movie. We traced Night 306 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,879 and All back to Betel Memorial Institute, and we traced 307 00:16:46,919 --> 00:16:49,440 it back to Roswell, and we traced it to Wright Patterson, 308 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,559 despite the fact that the official story is that it 309 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,120 came out of a naval weapons research laboratory. Just not true. 310 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:59,399 So she was working with similar alloys, which stands the 311 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,440 reason that she had access to some of these exotic materials. 312 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,640 So you know, that's an interesting connection. And then we 313 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:13,279 have this other guy, Frank Maywald, who I think got 314 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,359 killed on his porch. 315 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:20,319 Speaker 1: So the I no, I was JPL. 316 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was at JPL. Died in July fourth. But 317 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:29,880 the thing that's interesting about him, Remember Lynda molten Howe's material, 318 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,519 the layered bismuth. You know, Gary Nolan is literally still 319 00:17:35,559 --> 00:17:38,960 studying that stuff. Last time he told me, he says, yeah, 320 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,200 it's it's anomalist. There is no there's things about it 321 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,880 that we can't explain. One of the things that we 322 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,759 weren't able to explain at the time is how that 323 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:52,319 material got all those layers, some of them microns thick. 324 00:17:54,279 --> 00:17:56,440 There was never a decent explanation for that. But that 325 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:59,720 was before we had three D printing on our radar screen. 326 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,759 And Gary speaks of atomic level three D printing and 327 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,759 molecular level three D printing, and when I asked him 328 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:12,079 about that, he thinks that quite possibly Linda malten How's 329 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,559 material was three D printed at a microscopic level. Now 330 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,400 this is a little bit convoluted, to just stay with 331 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,480 me on this. The theory behind some of these materials 332 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,359 is that if you subject certain materials and certain alloys 333 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:33,079 to a certain terror Hurtz frequency, these alloys serve as 334 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:39,039 waveform guides and can create anti gravitic properties of craft 335 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,200 that they may be surrounded by. So I have a 336 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:46,839 video of a very young Travis Taylor testing Linda malten 337 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,240 How's material and subjecting it to terror hurts frequencies and 338 00:18:50,279 --> 00:18:53,359 it's vibrating all around, jumping up off the thing where 339 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:58,319 a normal piece of aluminum just stayed. So why is 340 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,119 this have anything to do with this guy? Well, it 341 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:06,319 turns out that Frank Maywold was the guy that developed, 342 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:11,240 among many other things at JPL, terror hurts frequency sensors, 343 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,920 and so you know, you kind of ask yourself, well, 344 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,079 why do we need a terror hurts frequency sensor? If 345 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,720 there's any truth to the idea that certain terror hurts 346 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,799 frequencies can generate antigravitic effects when fed through certain alloys, 347 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,880 then a terror hurts frequency detector would be able to 348 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,200 detect these craft. And you know, this is just a 349 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:38,160 very very interesting connection between this work that this guy's 350 00:19:38,279 --> 00:19:42,640 doing and things that we already know about. And so, yeah, 351 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,559 the terror hurts frequency detector, Why do we need that? 352 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,319 Why is it important? And how is it connected to UFOs? 353 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,519 And that's that's the connection. So all these people have 354 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:59,559 these these certain compartments that they were working in that 355 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,720 seem to be having connections to things that we already 356 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:08,559 know or at least have theorized about UFO technology. And 357 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,200 some of these connections you have to look pretty deep 358 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,880 to find them, like the one about the terror Hurtz sensors. 359 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:20,519 But yeah, they're all connected. My concern is that, you know, 360 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:23,799 we we set up ARROW, not we, but Kurs and 361 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:30,039 Jillibrand in Congress to protect whistleblowers. But what we've come 362 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:33,319 to find out is that ARROW is more interested in 363 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,079 identifying whistle blowers than it is in facilitating their ability 364 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:40,559 to come forward. So we're dealing with the one thing 365 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:46,960 all these people have in common is that they all 366 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,240 have the potential to disrupt the narrative that they're rolling 367 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:53,160 out to us. They've all got some kind of connection 368 00:20:53,720 --> 00:21:01,480 to this technology. The general knows everything that's underground at 369 00:21:01,519 --> 00:21:03,960 right Patterson, and so that you know, these are people 370 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,480 that when they start rolling out this story, they can 371 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,119 They're the ones that can come forward and say, oh, no, 372 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,559 that's not true, or no I worked on this program. 373 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,680 And so my guess, and it's pure speculation, but I 374 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,440 think that this is a collection of people that, through 375 00:21:20,519 --> 00:21:25,279 some mechanism, had expressed an interest in coming forward. And 376 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:27,839 if we find out that's true. I know a couple 377 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,400 of big reporters are investigating it because I've fed them 378 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,920 the tips. If that turns out to be true, it's 379 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,880 going to be very very earth shattering. 380 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,079 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 381 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: Right, and I've heard it's up to twelve people. Now, 382 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:42,400 I don't know if that is another one that just 383 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:43,799 they just brought up. 384 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:44,079 Speaker 3: Yah. 385 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I saw something on someone posted it today. 386 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:51,359 It was out there and someone sent it to me 387 00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:54,960 and I'm trying to remember. Her name was Amy something. 388 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,279 I believe I might have that wrong, but it was 389 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,599 just someone. It's kind of like another name just added recently. 390 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,119 So yeah, it's it's been really something. 391 00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 3: And the connections, know's, It's like on the surface, there 392 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,920 seems to be a connection, but then when you start 393 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,119 digging deeper and looking for well what was that connection? 394 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,680 These connections are there and that's what makes it even 395 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:24,160 more compelling. Amy Eskridge, Yeah, I haven't a time to 396 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,079 brush up. That's who I think. 397 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,039 Speaker 2: That's who I heard about this morning. Someone sent sent 398 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,599 that sounds very familiar to me. 399 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean. 400 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: It's it's it just really makes you wonder if you know, 401 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,000 I mean, you can't help but feel like it's going 402 00:22:40,039 --> 00:22:43,079 to be a conspiracy when there's all these connections. 403 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,519 Speaker 3: It's true, and you know what's frightening is that why 404 00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:52,200 would they be doing this again? My theory is that 405 00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:55,680 they're about to float this story, this narrative that they're 406 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,680 going that they've been priming as for since twenty seventeen, 407 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,559 and that narrative is basically, we don't know what they are, 408 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:07,359 we haven't been reverse engineering craft. They're there, but we're 409 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,160 as in the dark as the public. And these are 410 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,079 all people that could disrupt that narrative. And that's what's 411 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,680 really scary is that if you look at what these 412 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,240 people did, it's clear that most of them, some of 413 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,559 them you can tell right off the bat, and some 414 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,599 of them have to do a little more digging, had 415 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,839 access to to you know, uh tech that was attempting 416 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,119 to be reverse engineered, and and that's not a stretch. 417 00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:32,079 So the you know, one of them was doing anti 418 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,720 gravity research. You know, it's just like it's it's it's crazy. 419 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,240 And so the idea that people are actually in danger now, 420 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,920 you know, they used to threaten people in Roswell, you know, 421 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,359 it's a big desert out there. Haye, Yeah, so you 422 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,440 get lost. You know, we'd like to think that those 423 00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:52,119 days are over and that nobody's getting killed over this anymore. 424 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,400 But it looks like it looks like we're all in danger. 425 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:56,079 Speaker 1: You know. 426 00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:58,839 Speaker 3: Even Lou at one time not too long ago sent 427 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,960 me a text and just you keep your eyes open. 428 00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:04,160 And so I hope they're not coming for the filmmakers 429 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,640 next that's gonna be it's gonna be a bummer. 430 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of that, you know, I mean films that 431 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:13,920 are coming out, uh, you know, like Steven Spielberg, A 432 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,920 lot of people are talking about that, like there's a 433 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,319 I think, uh there's some hints dropped. Of course it 434 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,400 could be for publicity, but that there is a bit 435 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,039 of truth in uh the U and Disclosure Day and 436 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,119 uh you know, supposedly there was a clip that was 437 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,839 shown that in the movie that's supposed to be something 438 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,759 real and that's going to be, you know, exciting to 439 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:39,480 see as well. 440 00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to that one. 441 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 3: Hey, So we got a question from Tony You want 442 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:44,759 to put that one up? 443 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, all right, yeah, Tony's I think Tony's from 444 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,359 the UK. 445 00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:52,319 Speaker 1: If I remember right here we go. 446 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,759 Speaker 2: All right, So, how proactive is Moufon in this so 447 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,240 called disclosure process? May I I may be missing something 448 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:04,359 that I don't see any representation from Moufon in the 449 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,319 conversation with the government. 450 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,839 Speaker 1: Well there was some. 451 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:12,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot. You know, the new movie covers 452 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,680 a lot of this. But Mouffon's been very busy in Washington, 453 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:17,839 d C. The only thing is we haven't been out 454 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,920 talking about it a whole lot, or cheating our own 455 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,440 horn in like some have. In the new film, we 456 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:27,079 talk about some of it, but Moufon has a lobbying 457 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,880 group that has been working with us in DC. We've 458 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,880 had meetings with over We've had over three hundred meetings 459 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,519 with different members of Congress. I've personally met with Tim Burchett, 460 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:43,279 Kristen gillibrand Eric Burlason, Andre Carson And that's just me 461 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,119 in meetings with these people. And in the new film 462 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,480 we finally kind of spilled the beans about what we've 463 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:51,680 been doing. We were even instrumental in some of the 464 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:56,079 language that got crafted into one of the UAP disclosure bills. 465 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,559 So yeah, we've been very busy behind the scenes in 466 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,160 Washington and a lot of stuff you've seen bubble up 467 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,799 is because of work that we've been doing. So you know, again, 468 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,119 is Muffon's doing what Mouffon needs to do for sure, 469 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,680 And in the new movie we actually blow the lid 470 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,319 off some of it. 471 00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll be talking about that. 472 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:19,799 Speaker 2: So there's a continuation of the missing scientists that we 473 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,759 have someone right here and about. I didn't realize that 474 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:29,160 it's now being investigated by the Trump presidency. 475 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: Have you heard anything about that. 476 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:34,279 Speaker 3: I'm not. Yeah, yeah, the news myself, So I don't know. 477 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:40,480 David announced that they're going to gonna investigate that. Uh 478 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,079 so they're using AI to find connections and blah blah blah. 479 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,839 The FBI is looking into it. Now, that'll be great 480 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,440 if they if something comes up. But you know, frankly, 481 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,359 the people that are that are doing the work shouldn't 482 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,799 be the ones investigating the work that's being done. 483 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: Right exactly. So here's a question here about you know, 484 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,519 who's basically who's going to be taking Nick Pope's place. 485 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: You know, he was a great investigator. He was a 486 00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:14,839 good voice out there. Yeah, you know, we lost another one, 487 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,000 and that's too bad. I know you knew him and. 488 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: Oh boy, you know I knew Nick. You know, sorry, 489 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,039 I'm a little speechless and I'm still torn up about it. 490 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:28,039 When I before I ever got into the UFO field 491 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:31,200 as an investigator and a video maker, I used to 492 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:36,240 read UFO Magazine and Nick used to write a column 493 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,599 for UFO Magazine while he was still actually sitting at 494 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:42,880 the Ministry of Defense. And I remember reading his columns 495 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,799 and thinking, you know, this is really cool. We got 496 00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:48,680 a guy inside a government who's openly talking about UFOs 497 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,200 and being friendly to the UFO community. And it was 498 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:55,640 him and Stanton Friedman, who was a bonafide scientist that 499 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,119 was talking openly and candidly about it. These were the 500 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,400 guys that I was very that I was their fan. 501 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,880 And then Steve Bassett hired me to produce his ex 502 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,200 conference in two thousand and eight, and that was the 503 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:11,799 beginning of my you know, really taking a track in 504 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:13,799 this field. And that's where I got to go and 505 00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:15,839 I got to meet these guys. You know, all these 506 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,519 people I'd seen on TV. It's really hey, there's Richard Dolan, 507 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:22,160 there's you know, Nick Pope, there's Stanton, There's all these 508 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,400 people that there's that's when I met George Napp for 509 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,319 the first time, and so Nick was really good to 510 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,720 me for the entire time I knew him. I must 511 00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,880 have interviewed him seven or eight times, and he is 512 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,519 all through the new movie. I don't know if it's 513 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:42,240 the last film that he's ever appeared in. But yeah, 514 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,519 it was too late to dedicate it to Nick in 515 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,240 the credits because it already got turned in before he passed. 516 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:51,039 But I really am gonna miss Nick Pope a lot. 517 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:54,599 He was a personal friend, and he was a friend 518 00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:57,519 of the productions that I've done. He's been in every 519 00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:58,640 documentary I've made. 520 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:03,759 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, yeah, I really like every yu for a documentary. Yeah, 521 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:06,680 I did a little. I did. I did a little. 522 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,240 When I found out he passed. 523 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: I did a little thing on him with a bunch 524 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,079 of pictures and stuff and a lot of a lot 525 00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,920 a lot of people watch that, and I was I'm 526 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,000 grateful for that, and yeah, he really I communicated with 527 00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:22,200 him toward towards the end. 528 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. 529 00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 2: He was grateful for some of the things that I 530 00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:30,200 discussed with him. You know that he really meant something 531 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:34,000 to a lot of people. And anyway, Yeah, I miss 532 00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:35,279 him too, And. 533 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote a piece about him for the Wow, 534 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,039 the Wow newsletter, and it might end up in the 535 00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:43,839 move On Journal. But yeah, he's uh, he's in the film. 536 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, And let's talk about your film, 537 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,720 because you've worked on that for a while, You've had 538 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,480 orders two years. Yeah, and so do you. 539 00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: Want to give like an overview of of that without 540 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,319 revealing you know, we want people to watch it, but 541 00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:04,799 we got to just talk a little bit. I know 542 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:08,880 there's filming in Washington, you have several people in there. 543 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,559 If you would just go ahead and give like an 544 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:13,240 overview of. 545 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: It, sure, So you know, Accidental Truth came out in 546 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,400 twenty twenty three and it won twenty eight Film Festival 547 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,960 Awards and a lot of people said it was one 548 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,640 of the best UFO films that had ever been done. 549 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,000 And what I noticed is that after that came out, 550 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:32,920 we've pretty much been getting the same movie, just recycled 551 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,440 through different filmmakers, but nothing new. And I didn't want 552 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,119 to make another UFO film until I could move the 553 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,759 ball because I felt like I moved the ball with 554 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,839 Accidental Truth. I really did. That's how I felt. You know. 555 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,119 Opinions may vary, but that's what I set out to do, 556 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,960 and I think I accomplished it. But with next, you know, 557 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,599 it's like, well, okay, so where are we and what's next? 558 00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:59,119 We pick up where we left off in the first 559 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,759 Accidental Truth film and I take you the viewer on 560 00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:06,640 my adventure through Washington, d C. Where I'm able to 561 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:10,640 document things that we have done behind the scenes that 562 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:14,079 you guys wouldn't believe it if we hadn't documented it 563 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,000 and showed it. You know, Like one of the things 564 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:18,839 that's really interesting that you're going to see in the 565 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,359 film is how we were sitting in the back of 566 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,240 the of the hearing room while Loue Elizondo was testifying, 567 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,359 texting questions to ask Lou to Congressman Eric Burlison in 568 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,599 real time. I remember you're telling me that he actually 569 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,400 asked Lou the question. We're the ones who texted him 570 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,759 the question to ask Lou about Lockheed Martin having those materials, 571 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,400 and Lou answered it, accidentally blowing the lid off the 572 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,440 whole Lockheed Martin story. And then uh yeah, and I'm 573 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,519 right behind you back there somewhere, So you know, in 574 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,440 the first Accidental Truth movie, we were questioning this material 575 00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:59,160 story that big Low Aerospace was supposed to get materials 576 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,440 from from the government, and Robert Bigelow denied that he 577 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,400 ever got them. At the time, I thought that that 578 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:09,359 Robert Bigelow was being less than truthful. But it turns 579 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,119 out that, yeah, somebody, Lockheed Martin was the company that 580 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:17,559 had the materials, and somebody blocked the transfer of those 581 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:21,920 materials to Robert Bigelow at Bigelow Aerospace. And it was 582 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:25,240 during the hearing in real time that that story got 583 00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:28,279 confirmed by luel A Zondo. And it was because of us, 584 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:32,279 like I said, live texting the questions. So you'll see 585 00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:34,359 that in the film. It's a lot of really fun 586 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,319 behind the scenes stuff in DC. And then afterwards, you know, 587 00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:43,519 we kind of just get to the point where we're 588 00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:45,359 realizing that we're only going to get so far with 589 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,720 disclosure in that environment. So then I take off to Ohio. 590 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,240 Right after the first hearing, I go to Ohio. I 591 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,480 visit a guy who's got some UFO materials that have 592 00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,000 been studied by a lot of people. Even Luella Zone 593 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,319 know and Tom DeLong went to this guy's house to 594 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:05,559 get samples of this material. It's a it's a very 595 00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,640 well known UFO story. So we go to pull samples 596 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,119 out of this and very strange things happen while we're 597 00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:15,119 pulling the samples, and I have some right here, and 598 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,960 in the film, uh, you know, you'll see what happened 599 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,359 when we when we went to test this stuff. But 600 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,359 I return with uh, with the samples to turn in 601 00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:29,720 on the day of the ARROW hearing. I returned with 602 00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:33,119 the samples. I turned them over to Kirsten Gillibrand's office 603 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,960 to be tested by Arrow. And so there's reports out 604 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,960 there that Arrow finally released where they say it's you know, 605 00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,880 it's not very important material, but there's other studies that 606 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,519 we did at the same time that are raising more questions. 607 00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,880 And we have samples of this material for any bona 608 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,640 fide person or lab that has the ability to test it, 609 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,960 we'll provide that to you. So that's in the film. 610 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,519 And then Martin, where we go is you know, the 611 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:06,319 reason it's called accidental truth. Next is because okay, let's 612 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:12,039 just agree that non human intelligence is interacting with humanity. 613 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,880 What are the questions we need to be asking now? 614 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,599 And so we take we go from three really interesting 615 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:24,360 materials cases into h riswan Vik and Whitley Strieber and 616 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,519 Diane Hennessy Powell and doctor Gary Nolan and and you know, 617 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:33,239 Thomas Jane the actor, and we're exploring what all of 618 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,199 this means for humanity and people by the time they 619 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,320 get to the end of this movie are just going 620 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,960 to be like what We're giving the audience a whole 621 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,480 new set of things to think about. And so it's 622 00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:48,239 a it's a it's people have told me. It's a 623 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,960 fascinating journey from the nuts and bolts of Washington, d C. 624 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,119 To the edge of our reality, all in one film, 625 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,199 and it's it's already one. It's up to nine film 626 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,760 festivals that we've already won and the film's not even 627 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:06,280 out yet. And once again Matthew Modine narrates Thomas Jaine 628 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,239 is Thomas Jane, the actors in it, and what she 629 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,199 didn't see at that screening we did. We replaced the 630 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:19,480 entire music track, and Alan Howorth, the musical genius behind 631 00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:23,360 all the John Carpenter movies, Halloween, Christine, Escape from New York, 632 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,119 he does a completely original soundtrack that Sony Music is 633 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:32,000 releasing as well. So I can't wait to see how 634 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:33,239 it hits the audience. 635 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,599 Speaker 1: Excellent. Yeah, I'll be there for sure. So here's a statement, 636 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,239 and from a longtime listener who's in chat most weeks. 637 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,760 No real progress over eighty years, yet few would agree 638 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,400 to reevaluate. 639 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 2: The methods and assumptions of upology. Doesn't make sense. I 640 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,719 just wondered what you thought about that comment. 641 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,599 Speaker 3: Well, you know, he makes an interesting point. You know, 642 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,920 Muffon's been around for fifty seven years rough I think 643 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,639 fifty seven, and their whole premise was that we're going 644 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:07,239 to pick up Project blue Book stopped. We're going to 645 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,960 create a civilian organization to pick up that work. And 646 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,599 so for all these years now, everybody's chasing lights in 647 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:18,880 the sky and looking for pictures of flying saucers. This 648 00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:24,480 is way beyond that now, and reevaluation is I think 649 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:28,079 evolution would be a better way to say it. But 650 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,480 we have to take all these other things into consideration, 651 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:34,280 because we're not going to get to the true answer 652 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,519 of any of this without starting to look at some 653 00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:45,199 of these esoteric teachings and phenomena. The experiencers are really 654 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,880 going to be a bigger and bigger part of the 655 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,920 story because they are being communicated with, and it's time 656 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,199 to quit it to start taking them seriously. And so no, 657 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,800 we can't continue to look for answers in flying saucers 658 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:03,360 and government secrets. The answer are way bigger than either 659 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,639 of those little categories, right, So yeah, the entire field 660 00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:10,880 is about to evolve, and I think my film is 661 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,559 going to be helping people to figure out what the 662 00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,519 next question. This isn't about giving you guys answers. It's 663 00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:21,840 about furnishing you with some ideas for the the questions 664 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,920 that we should be asking. 665 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. My friend Dean Alioto has a movie he's 666 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,760 going to be screening there as well, Contacting the Desert, 667 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,920 and that's on experience, so I know he's been I've 668 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,400 been talking to. 669 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: Him about that a long time. He's been working on that. 670 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 2: So that's another exciting one to see while you're there. 671 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,280 I had Capron on last week and I was telling 672 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,079 him how excited I am to go again to contact us. 673 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:50,639 Speaker 1: It'll only be my second one. 674 00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 2: I know you've gone to many, but that's uh, I'm 675 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,320 so excited to go there, and it's it's it's uh. 676 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,280 You know, when I talked to Nick Pope there, he 677 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,880 said he didn't think he originated it. 678 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: But he said what did he say? 679 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,639 Speaker 2: It was the woodstock of UFOs or the burning man 680 00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:09,880 of UFOs or something like that. 681 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,039 Speaker 1: I can't remember what he said. 682 00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 3: You know, it used to be that even more when 683 00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:17,679 when they had it in the middle of nowhere and 684 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,800 if you wanted to go to it, you needed a tent. 685 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,559 And you know that. I remember that smelling like petuli 686 00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:28,880 because there were no showers. Yeah, yeah, that was I'm 687 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,400 glad that it got moved. Yeah. Oh. 688 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 2: I think that was one of the reasons I was 689 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,599 holding me back is because I was thinking that it 690 00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:39,159 was still like that, and I, you know, I'm not 691 00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:41,800 really one to want to go out It's so hot 692 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,400 out there anyway, you know, to be out there, I 693 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,079 don't know. But so I want to just say thank 694 00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:52,239 you all for being in chat. I appreciate your questions. 695 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,960 Anytime you want to put a question out there for 696 00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:56,960 our guests, please do put them in caps so I 697 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:57,880 don't miss them. 698 00:38:58,199 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 3: And so. 699 00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: What's next? 700 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 2: I always have to ask people when they have a 701 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,440 really big project in the can because it seems like 702 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,280 people are always. 703 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,599 Speaker 1: Thinking what are they going to do next? Do you 704 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:10,519 have any plans? 705 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,639 Speaker 3: Well, I'm working on a I can actually say this. Now. 706 00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:18,800 I'm helping JJ and desire her Talk work on a 707 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,280 documentary about their work and the Keys of Enoch, which 708 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:26,079 their dear friends, and I consider JJ a very profound 709 00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:29,480 spiritual teacher, so I'm doing that as a project. I 710 00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:32,519 have a new one that I'm doing with Michael Schratt 711 00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:35,760 called Stringfield Theory, where we have taken some of Leonard 712 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,800 Stringfield's best cases. Yes, he was one of the original 713 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,440 UFO investigators. We have brought these cases to life with 714 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,400 some super cutting edge AI and so we're going to 715 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,119 some of his cases and re enacting them. That's really fun. 716 00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:54,599 I'm doing a project with Toby from the Roswell Daily Record, 717 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,000 I believe it or not, Roswell the gift that keeps 718 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,480 on giving. We've got new materials, news witnesses, all kinds 719 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,400 of stuff that's popping with that. So those are right 720 00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:08,239 on the immediate front burner. And then I'm working on 721 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,440 some music projects. So that's right. I'm busy. I'm busy 722 00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:14,719 for the foreseeable future. And then of course I've got 723 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,199 to do the media rounds for the films, like you 724 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,719 finished the film, and then the whole other thing starts. 725 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,880 You know, six months of podcasts and showing up the 726 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,039 conferences and stuff. 727 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. 728 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 2: So as far as you know, kind of looking forward, 729 00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:35,119 do you think that. I mean, I haven't heard about 730 00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:39,239 any more hearings or anything like that. I mean, I 731 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,679 don't know if that's going to even help at this point. 732 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,639 I mean, I know that people that are more on 733 00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,960 I want to say balance, our skeptic side will say, 734 00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:52,360 we need the nuts and bolts. Let's stop doing this 735 00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:55,440 until we get the nuts and bolts, And yeah, what 736 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,480 do you think about that? I mean, I think that 737 00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:01,800 would certainly be great, but we haven't seen any of 738 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,440 that so far. 739 00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:05,559 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think that people have, you know, 740 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:07,719 like Tim Burchett, there's a video that I put on 741 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,800 not too long ago where he's talking to me about 742 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,199 Trump and disclosure. I think it's in the hands of 743 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,599 the administration at this point. And so there is this 744 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,800 back and forth and the Congress themselves, they're not really 745 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,000 acting autonomously anymore because they're plugged in at the White House. 746 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,000 So and you know, people can say what they want 747 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,079 to say about Trump, good or bad. I'm not entering 748 00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:35,599 that fray, but you know he's going to do whatever 749 00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:39,199 he does with this information in a manner that suits 750 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,480 whatever purpose he thinks he needs to fill. So you know, 751 00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:46,239 could we get some kind of disclosure as a distraction. 752 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,800 There's people that are saying that is he just going 753 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,920 to take it upon himself to gift humanity with this knowledge? 754 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,920 Who knows. But decisions are being made at the upper 755 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,320 echelons beyond Congress right now. So I know that there's 756 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,760 been plenty of which witnesses being paraded in front of 757 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,599 these guys, and like Eric Burlison to this day says, well, 758 00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,440 I'm from the show me state, so you have to 759 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,480 show me. And one of my last questions to Eric 760 00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:13,480 was I know some of the people that have been 761 00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:16,480 through your doors, and I know some of the places 762 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:20,440 that you've gone. If you haven't been shown yet, then 763 00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:25,920 there's something seriously wrong. So I think these guys are 764 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,920 now they used to be in the position and they 765 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,599 wanted to know the answers. Now they're in the position 766 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,840 of a lot of them have been told the answers 767 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,239 and they can't share them. So you know, once that happens, 768 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,440 you become part of the problem. 769 00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:42,159 Speaker 2: A lot of times I've seen, like the question of 770 00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:47,639 it being steered toward our possible adversaries instead of you know, 771 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,280 nhi are You know, when they're posed these questions, and 772 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,199 the one thing that I think is kind of a 773 00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,760 blanket for them is national security, Like we can't really 774 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,440 talk about this because of national security, and so that's 775 00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:08,760 you know what you often hear and I just you know, 776 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,719 I heard that, you know, the administration said, Okay, let's 777 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,239 release all the information. Let's get it out there. But 778 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,320 I don't know how far that'll go, you know, I 779 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,840 don't I don't know, it's not going to go very 780 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:20,360 far at all. 781 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 3: There's there's a major pushback. You know, there are national 782 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,880 security implications to this, but you know, there's also a 783 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,039 lot of other reasons that they need to keep it 784 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:33,719 a secret. And so, like, like we said in the 785 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,440 beginning of the interview, there's only going to be so 786 00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,039 much information they're going to give us, and it's going 787 00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,639 to be tempered with. Yeah, here's a weird video. We 788 00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:42,519 don't know what it is. Have fun. 789 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'll tell you. 790 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 3: Here's here's something that I observed and what we saw 791 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,079 with the very first hearings. Remember when Molten and Bray 792 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,719 came forward from the d i A and they were 793 00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,440 questioned and they denied everything. 794 00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that, I was watching that. 795 00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Marco Rubio was very vocal about this topic, right, 796 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,679 I mean a lot right up until those hearings, and 797 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,599 right after those hearings, they had a private briefing, you know, 798 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,639 in a classified environment. And when Marco Rubio came out 799 00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:20,760 of that briefing, he hardly ever talked about the topic again. 800 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,840 And then when he appeared in Age of Disclosure talking 801 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,280 about things that he'd been told, he was interviewed about that. 802 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:31,400 I don't know if people saw it. He literally threw 803 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,000 the film under the bus. He said, well, that wasn't 804 00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:36,199 things I knew about. Those are just things I was told. 805 00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:38,480 And the way they edited it was very creative. I 806 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,400 guess they're trying to sell movies. I mean, he dissed 807 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,800 his own interview. And my theory about that is that 808 00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:49,360 once these guys are brought into to a point where 809 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,239 they're given enough information, they are also in agreement that 810 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,199 there needs to be secrecy, and that's why they quit 811 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,719 talking about it. And you know, it's like Tim Burchett 812 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,519 is coming out now saying, you know, they've told me 813 00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:04,320 some things that would keep everybody awake at night, right, Yeah, 814 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,800 And I have to agree that there's some elements to 815 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,159 this that that are way worse than we think. I've 816 00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:13,639 got Nick Pope in the new movie talking about the 817 00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:15,159 secret too terrible to be. 818 00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:16,119 Speaker 1: Told and. 819 00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:24,199 Speaker 3: That lees yeah, so yeah, that's uh that that once 820 00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:26,599 you take it into a room and you're told, look, 821 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,880 I'm going to give you some information, but you can't 822 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,440 tell anybody, and you agree to that, then you become 823 00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:34,960 part of the problem. You become part of the cover up. 824 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,400 I've been taken into those rooms and had people say 825 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,320 I'm going to tell you something, but you can't share it, 826 00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:42,960 and my answer every time is, well, that's not why 827 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,440 I'm here. I am here to get information from you 828 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,400 and give it to people. So I'm not going to 829 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,840 carry the burden of your secret. So if you don't 830 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,519 want me to put it in my next film, don't 831 00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:58,119 tell me. And because I don't want that, I don't 832 00:45:58,119 --> 00:45:59,840 want to be one of those guys who's been taken 833 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,320 in the room and told a bunch of shit that 834 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,079 I can't tell you it's like, then then I'm one 835 00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:06,719 of them, and I'm stuck in the same box that 836 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,679 they are and and I can't serve the I can't 837 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,960 serve my audience by by making those kind of agreements. 838 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,280 Speaker 2: Right, And uh, you know it's like when I've had 839 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,960 lou On, you've talked to him many times, it's like, 840 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,199 you know, he can't say certain things, and and it's 841 00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:26,639 hard for him, and it's hard for people listening to 842 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,920 him because they wanted him to say it, but he would, 843 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,760 he just can't. So here's a I don't know if 844 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,920 I totally agree with this, doctor Richard. When did the 845 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:40,760 government become the all end all of youuthological research. I 846 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,840 think that we're looking never have been. Yeah, I think 847 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,440 we're looking for them to do more. And that was 848 00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:49,199 you know, Project blue Book, you know, you all the 849 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,719 way back to Grunge and all the other things that 850 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,360 we've looked for them to do. But I think a 851 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,079 lot of that has been over the years, more window 852 00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:00,280 dressing than anything else. 853 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 3: Myself, well, you know John Alexander, who everybody, anybody who 854 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,719 knows who he is knows that he's probably one of 855 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,559 the original guys that could tell you, but he'd have 856 00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:15,760 to kill you. And his whole statement about government's role 857 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,400 in this is it's not what government does, you know, 858 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,119 And even lou will say things like, look, we're not 859 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,280 here to serve the idle curiosity of a few, We're 860 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,559 here to protect the country. And so, you know, it 861 00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:33,760 never really became some obligation of government to go out 862 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,280 and research this stuff and then come to us with answers. 863 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,400 And truthfully, there's been more civilian research done. Granted we 864 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,719 don't have a flying saucer in our garage, but you know, 865 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,760 the the civilian community has kept this research going far 866 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,440 more publicly than the government. And somebody's asking about false flags. 867 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to put that up right now. 868 00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:58,400 Speaker 2: So do you take seriously the concerns that some faction 869 00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:01,760 the government may be planning a false flag, fake attack 870 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,920 by invaders from space. 871 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 3: Well, you know, that's the whole Project Blue Beam thing. 872 00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:10,679 Richard Dolan wrote a really interesting book, and I don't 873 00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:12,519 think he ever put it out. It was about false 874 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:15,920 flag operations through history, and him and I talked about 875 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,840 this at length in relation to Project Bluebeam, and I 876 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,360 tend to agree with him. He said, it's very it 877 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,800 would be really hard to pull off in this day 878 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,920 and age where we have so much access to video 879 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,800 and technology, and everybody knows that you can't trust anything 880 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,599 you see anymore. So to really pull that off and 881 00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:39,800 convince the population that's that's what was going on on A, 882 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,960 there'd have to be a pretty good reason to do it, 883 00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:46,039 and B it's just getting harder and harder to be 884 00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:50,639 able to pull something like that off and convince people. 885 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,519 Speaker 1: Right right, This is just a comment. 886 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,519 Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Steve, and let's see if we 887 00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:03,119 have any other questions. So well, I think this has 888 00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:07,320 been a great night and I am really looking forward 889 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,519 to seeing you out at Contact in the Desert as always, 890 00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:13,440 and I always good to see you and I'll definitely 891 00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:17,159 be there during your film, totally supporting you and thank 892 00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:21,079 you Martin. And so as far as someone reaching out 893 00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,800 to you, do you have are you accessible, Well, yeah. 894 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,599 Speaker 3: You can email me at Ron James contact at gmail 895 00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:31,320 dot com. You know, I try. I talked to everybody 896 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,639 so and you can keep up with the new film 897 00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:41,039 at accidentaltruthnext dot com. That's where we're publishing new information 898 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:46,960 and it comes out June second on Amazon, Apple, YouTube 899 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,559 Movies and TV and Google Play. That's going to be 900 00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:50,840 the four places you can get it. 901 00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this question just popped up, and we'll I'm 902 00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:56,480 in no rush to stop. 903 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:57,199 Speaker 3: It's just. 904 00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:01,760 Speaker 1: This question here, do you think that's Eyes on Cinema? 905 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 2: Content on YouTube is needed to keep this whole conversation 906 00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:09,440 grounded in nuts and bolts way, I love. I just 907 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,800 had a conversation with the person that runs at these 908 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:18,800 Dutch I believe Joseph Eyes on Cinema. I don't know 909 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,679 if you've checked out their videos where they're getting them. 910 00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:26,920 You know, some great, great old videos from the past, right, 911 00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:29,599 But yeah, Eyes on Cinema. 912 00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 3: But I don't like the conversation grounded it makes sense anymore. 913 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,000 There is no pure nuts and bolts explanation for this, 914 00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:42,840 and the people that are trying to keep it to 915 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,360 nuts and bolts are only going to get so far. 916 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,480 You know, the the answer to this lies in the 917 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,679 whole nature of reality, the nation of the notion of 918 00:50:55,199 --> 00:51:00,800 subjective and consensus reality consciousness. And you know, a lot 919 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,960 of the ancient spiritual teachings very esoteric stuff. And you know, 920 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,199 are there nuts and bolts flying saucers and nuts and 921 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,320 bolts hardware, Sure, but they're a very small part of 922 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,119 the overall answer. And you know that's what we're covering 923 00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:17,880 in the new film. So yeah, I think anybody putting 924 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,880 shining a spotlight on this stuff from any direction is 925 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,719 helping to keep the conversation going. 926 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 2: You know, as far as this, someone had alerted me 927 00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,559 to a movie that just went up on Eyes on 928 00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:37,880 Cinema and it was it's really good, but people aren't 929 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,719 gonna like it, and people are bashing it because. 930 00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:44,760 Speaker 1: Basically what he did was he edited. 931 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,960 Speaker 2: Bob Lasar's conversations over the years and he puts them 932 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,719 side by side. 933 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,119 Speaker 1: He says this, and he says this, and he's he's. 934 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 2: Contradicting himself over and over again. But you just have 935 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,440 to watch the video make up your mind on your 936 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,679 own what you think about that. But I think most 937 00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:11,440 people that are really involved with the Bob Lazare story 938 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,280 do not want to watch anything that's going to possibly 939 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,760 change their mind. I just have seen that because anytime 940 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,519 I speak on that, I get a lot of response. 941 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,639 Speaker 3: Well, you know, people, once they form a belief system, 942 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,400 they do not want to entertain things that might challenge it. 943 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,360 And that's one of the biggest problems with disclosure is 944 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,400 we have all these camps right now that are that 945 00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:42,239 are firm in their beliefs as to what this stuff is. 946 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,440 And you know, like I'll go on some of these 947 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,079 some of these Christian talk shows and they're like, this 948 00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:51,519 is angels and demons. There's no aliens, blah blah blah 949 00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:53,840 blah blah, and they don't want and I'm like, look, 950 00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:56,000 you need to be open to the idea that all 951 00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:58,599 of this could be true. But they don't want to 952 00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:00,880 be open to that idea. So we're dealing with a 953 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,119 whole lot of people that are clinging to certain belief 954 00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:08,559 systems that may not survive scrutiny, and they will fight 955 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,039 to hold onto that through anything. And so you know, 956 00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:15,639 it's a whole other problem with the disclosure. 957 00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:18,000 Speaker 1: Right And yeah, I understand. 958 00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 2: And someone just wrote that it was a very convincing 959 00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:25,119 Jesse Michael interview with Bob Blazaar. I know that, and 960 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,000 that's where that chuck I can't remember the name the 961 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:36,280 film came out of. But anyway, I understand that there's 962 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,800 some great interviews and all that, but I personally think 963 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:47,199 that Bob Blazaar should be really scrutinized because there's so 964 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,000 many things against his story and if you're not interested 965 00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:53,199 in learning any of that, then don't watch that film 966 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,039 on eyes on Cinema that I'm talking about. 967 00:53:57,039 --> 00:53:59,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, there is, it's all pointed out. I mean, he 968 00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:01,000 does it himself. 969 00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:05,719 Speaker 2: It's Bob Blazaar talking contradicting himself one clip to another. 970 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,199 You know, it's not anyone saying those words, it's him. 971 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,440 So But anyway, I can't wait for my emails now 972 00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:13,360 for that saying that. 973 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,920 Speaker 3: But you know you're gonna be okay. Yeah. Oh and 974 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,880 you know, I forgot to mention we did the old 975 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,840 Accidental Truth movie. If you haven't seen it yet, you 976 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,639 can still rent it on Amazon, but if you want 977 00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:27,000 to watch it for free, you can go to YouTube 978 00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:29,920 movie tv and you can watch it there. And I 979 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,360 strongly encourage everybody uh to watch it before the new 980 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,000 one comes out because it'll it'll really set the stage. 981 00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:39,199 Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good point. Yeah all right, Ron, thanks 982 00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:40,760 so much, and we'll see in a couple of weeks. 983 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,280 Speaker 3: Martin, thank you for having me on. I really appreciate 984 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,039 it anytime. 985 00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:47,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun, all right. Take care