Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: I'm Martin Willershure, host And as some of you watching live,
you see the background, you're saying, well, that doesn't look
like my normal place. Well, it's my summer place that
I go to. I'm in ports with New Hampshire and
I have a great guest tonight and Ron James.
Speaker 1: We've got to know each other over the years.
Speaker 2: He's a great filmmaker, does an excellent job and we're
going to be talking about all kinds of things. I'm
always excited to speak with Ron. And last time we
saw each other was when I was out in Sedona
at the Travis Walton thing last year. That was a
really good time, great time out there. A couple of things. Well,
since I'm saying I'm in ports with New Empshire, I
got to say I'm going to be going tomorrow to
the Betty and Barney Hill. I'll pull that up in
just a second here in Barney Hill. We're from Portsmouth,
New Hampshire, and let me just see if I can
get that. Yeah, I'm going to pull that website up
just so people can see it because.
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: The Portsmouth Historical Society is running a Betty and Barney
Hill exhibition and that is open.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go there tomorrow and I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to see if they'll let me film things like that,
maybe talk to a couple of people. And they're having
an event on September fourth, and I'm going to be
here and I really am excited about that, and Kathy
Martin will be I do believe we'll be at the event.
Speaker 1: And so just a couple of other things.
Speaker 2: Though we have our blog this week is timely as well,
and let me get that up, and it is by
Charles Lear as always, and this is about the Chuck
Clark video. Everybody's been talking about it. When something happens,
get a lot of text and emails from a lot
of different people. And thank you all for the people
like Palmer and Paul and Phil and Peggy and all
these different people get in touch with me when something
goes on.
Speaker 1: I can't forget Bobby.
Speaker 2: Bobby always says, since twenty thirteen, has been sending me
all types of information here. So anyway, this footage showed up.
I guess it was at Jesse Michaels video. And I
have spoken many times with James Fox about this and
He said that it was the end all of videos
and he was trying to get it from Chuck Clark
for many years and offered him money and all that,
and somehow it got out and it's a VHS tape
of it. They had a camera in the car and
they sound like they're horrified. So I'm going to try
to get James Fox on to talk about that a
little bit. We have our weekly I'm i should say,
our monthly FUX headlines. It's going to be on May seventh,
on Thursday, once a month, UFO Jack and I do that.
Speaker 1: We're going to be.
Speaker 2: Doing that on May seventh, and hopefully I'll have James
Fox in for a minute talking about that. There's a
lot of you know, things going on as far as
when it comes to all the UFO news lately. As
you all know, there's a lot happening. So this is uh,
I'm going to bring Ron.
Speaker 1: In and let's see. Let me just do it this way.
There we go. Sorry about that, Ron, I'm not always
like you know, my.
Speaker 2: My longtime followers know that I'm just a ludite. I'm
terrible at technology. And and so they watched for entertainment
to see what I'm going to do wrong.
Speaker 3: Next, I understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, and I watched you on what
is that called behind the scenes and move on the
tell something? What's that called where you create videos? It's
very very complicated.
Speaker 1: I've used it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, running the TriCaster during the life, that's what
it's called. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of work. I've done that at Contact.
I'm not Contact. At the International UFO Congress. I used
to do that there, and wow, that's a lot of work,
a lot of work.
Speaker 3: Crazy.
Speaker 2: But so you have this film we're going to be
talking about. One of the things is this film you
have here, the Accidental Truth?
Speaker 1: Next, and what did I see in Sedona?
Speaker 3: You saw an early cut of this film?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I thought, I do.
Speaker 3: The finished ones had a lot of more things done
to it. And it's coming out June second.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and you're going to be actually at Contact
in the Desert.
Speaker 1: It's going to be premiered there.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, we're having the world premiered June first, at Monday,
June first, at Contacting the Desert anyway there it's free.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll tell you what there was a I
can tell the audience where I was at in Sedona.
Speaker 1: We all loved it. It was really good. So I'm
excited to see it. And so starting out, you and
I both were at the We went to Washington, d C.
That's where we saw each other. You know. One of
the times we saw each other that was writing. Don't
you think were you at You were at both of them?
Weren't you on the well two of them?
Speaker 3: Right? Well, I just did the two that week. I
did the one where Luela Zondo testified, and then I
came back later for the one that christ and Jillibrand had.
Oh okay, yes lost yet arrow. But I didn't come
to the one after that.
Speaker 2: Right, I missed that one too, and I wish I
hadn't because that seemed like a really good one. You know,
the first one I went to with David rush I
thought that was you know, historic, It felt historic to
be in that room.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, yeah, that was a great time. And
so you know, do you think we're the needles moving forward?
What do you think?
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of there's certainly people in
the government that are paying attention to this now, and
at least the politicians, some politicians are and pushing it
Luna and birch D and Earlson and Burlison.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the thing is, Martin, we're going to
get some form of disclosure through this political process, and
many can say that we already have, but these guys
are never going to allow the entire truth of this
issue to come out through any process. And so, even
though it's heartening to see progress being made, its progress
towards the release and finalization of a predestined narrative that
these people have decided to implement. It started publicly front
facing again in twenty seventeen. Can you believe it's been
almost a decade since we got these videos in Loue
Alizondo and Chris Mellon and all these guys. And the
question that we ask in the new film is, you know,
have we gotten any closer to disclosure? And the answer
really you can say, well, there's a lot of developments
that have happened, but are we any closer to official
disclosure of the entire truth of this issue? I don't
think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I've said all along that I'll look at
the doggie. We got a doggie in the background.
Speaker 3: I lay down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said all along that. I don't think, you know,
there's anyone that actually knows the full picture. And because
of that, that's quite possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and because of that we I don't think it
would be safe to release or they would never feel
like it was safe to release it, because how could
they possibly say they could protect us from something they
don't really know the whole picture of.
Speaker 3: No, it's true, and you know, the whole history of
this phenomenon from the time it started getting covered up
officially in this century or you know, over the last
hundred years, the people that really had the bigger picture
are mostly gone, and it's questionable. Rather, this knowledge has
even been passed down through organizations, even small groups. So
the number of people on the planet that know the
entire breadth of this topic are few and far between,
if they exist at all.
Speaker 2: I have I have asked the questions like that, I
do believe I've asked when I had Chris Melton, actually
I was lucky enough to be the first one to
interview him in twenty fifteen, like Roswell, for instance, how
is that? How does the legacy whatever they did have,
how does that move forward? Or you know, I mean,
it's just a big puzzle to me. Still, I don't
really understand how that works. You know, it's a generational thing.
How does the information move forward and where does it go?
And where's a hidden and all that.
Speaker 3: You know, it's we hope, right Martin, that somewhere there's
this vault where the photos from Roswell and the wreckage
and everything is still stored, and the bodies if they
found them, But it's altogether likely that no vault like
that exists. They probably they could have just poureded off
some of the materials to different aerospace companies and destroyed
the evidence, and that would be a tragedy to history.
But the you know, the military and the intelligence community
has a way of literally destroying historical evidence. And hopefully
that didn't happen. Maybe someday we'll get to see these pictures.
I just got an email from a guy who says
that he's working with someone who has shown some pictures
and they recreated them in AI and swears that they're
the pictures they were shown. And so it was two guys,
two military guys kneeling in front of a body in
front of a craft. And the guy says, this is
as close to the image as I saw, So there's
always going to be that hearsay that comes out. But yeah,
wouldn't it be great if they just whip that stuff
out and share it with us really verifiable way.
Speaker 1: I know, that's the key, verifiable way.
Speaker 2: You're right, So, in general, do you think the do
you think the government is trying to prepare the public
or stall the public more? I mean, that's what it
feels like to me. But I mean, how do you
feel about that?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm in the camp that says that
everything that we've seen since twenty seventeen is part of
an organized role out of information. They want to reshape
the narrative so that everybody that was involved in this
horrible cover up over time, the corporations, the things that
have been done, the things that have been concealed, the
literal crimes against humanity that have happened as a result
of keeping this stuff secret, They've got to whitewash themselves
of all of this and be able to present and
some kind of information in a way that nobody's going
to get in a lot of trouble over So are
we alone in the universe? Is there non human intelligence
interacting with us? We're probably going to get, you know,
some kind of answer to that from an official stand,
but they're going to say, yeah, but that's all we know,
and the things that we know have gone on since
the early late thirties, they're going to continue to deny.
And and that's the uh, that's that's the tragedy of
this official disclosure process. It's unfolding in DC. It's only
going to get us so far. And that's what we
talk about in the new films is I take people
on a tour behind the scenes in Washington, DC, and
I show some of the things that we've actually done
and some of the conversations that we've had. But in
the middle of the film we just kind of throw
our hands up in the air and say, you know,
we're only getting to a certain point. We have to
look elsewhere for the rest of the answers.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: And now I've heard people say, you know, we need
like a I think they call it catastrophic disclosure in
other words, of mass sighting or something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that would that would help.
Speaker 2: But and then I don't know what's uh, what's happened lately.
I've been really paying attention unfortunately but with the forty
six videos that we're supposed to come out, as, have
you heard anything more on that? I mean, I haven't
really seen anything. Usually people send me everything, and I
haven't seen anything coming up about that.
Speaker 3: There's nothing new. I mean, they're supposed to come out
a few days ago, I think, and Hegseeth is on
the record as saying you're going to release this stuff.
But you know, as with anything that's that's supposed to
come out from the government related to this stuff, there's
foot dragging, and there's opposition and there's internal infighting, and
Luna has pretty much said that you know, you guys
are going to see these videos and then you're gonna
have to make up your own mind, because our stance
is going to be, we have these videos, we don't
know what they are, and that's pretty much what they're
gonna The position they're going to take is we don't know,
and so there you go, and that's what we're going
to get from them. So yeah, it's gonna be like
I said, it's a limited hangout of disclosure. It's not
the whole truth of everything that's happened with humanity's interaction
with non human intelligence. And even if they're just only
going to give us the bare minimum of information to
fit the day, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that, hey, if they can put the videos
out there and say make up your own mind, I'm
absolutely fine with that. You know, Yeah, I mean I
understand that, Martin.
Speaker 3: It's it's going to be cool, and you know, the
Internet will certainly speculate all over the place and they'll
be podcasts, but it's still not the definitive. This is
what we know, this is how it applies to the
future of civilization, and you know, that's what we really want.
That's disclosure with the big d the whole truth. And
so yeah, we're going to get some videos, probably hopefully,
But are we going to get definitive official answers? Not likely.
Speaker 2: I remember Lou Alsondo like two years ago said we
were going to see a twenty three minute video and
I did ask him the last time I had him on,
and I don't I can't really remember his answer other
than that, you know, it may be coming, but I
don't know what's in that twenty three minute video, But
any anything that would get more people to look at
this topic and take it seriously and more eyeballs.
Speaker 1: You have on it.
Speaker 2: More people that are scientists that will actually stop and
take a look at things like this, I think the better.
So here's a question for you right here, And did you.
Speaker 1: Have something to say? I'm sorry I interrupted you.
Speaker 3: No, I was actually going to bring up this question.
Speaker 2: So, and this is just so the listeners people that
hear audio only. So Chris was asking if you Ron
can share your thoughts about the scientists who have disappeared.
Speaker 1: A lot of people talking about that.
Speaker 3: It's a big story, and you know, yeah, so I
was doing some of my own research on that. And
what's really interesting is that you know two of the
prevalent ones and let me let me grab my notes here.
You know, we have McCaslin who disappeared, the general that
oversaw everything of right Patterson. If anybody knew what was
going on there, it was this guy. And the fact
that he left his house with nothing but a gun
is really really you know, nobody wants to talk about it,
but there's a really good case that you know, once
you're in this field, you know you're you're an agent,
you're a high ranking person with classified information. There may
come a time when you are asked to on a
live yourself from this planet and given the time window
and the opportunity to do it however you want, you know,
because there's very few other explanations for what this guy
did if all of it is true, and I've been
looking into it and it seems like it. And then
we have, you know, some of these other people like
Monica Reza. She was a scientist that did some materials
research and came up with an alloy that they use
in spaceflight. Now, the interesting thing about her is that
she this alloy that she supposedly developed had memory retaining
shape shifting capabilities, just like Night and All that we
were in the first Accidental Truth movie. We traced Night
and All back to Betel Memorial Institute, and we traced
it back to Roswell, and we traced it to Wright Patterson,
despite the fact that the official story is that it
came out of a naval weapons research laboratory. Just not true.
So she was working with similar alloys, which stands the
reason that she had access to some of these exotic materials.
So you know, that's an interesting connection. And then we
have this other guy, Frank Maywald, who I think got
killed on his porch.
Speaker 1: So the I no, I was JPL.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was at JPL. Died in July fourth. But
the thing that's interesting about him, Remember Lynda molten Howe's material,
the layered bismuth. You know, Gary Nolan is literally still
studying that stuff. Last time he told me, he says, yeah,
it's it's anomalist. There is no there's things about it
that we can't explain. One of the things that we
weren't able to explain at the time is how that
material got all those layers, some of them microns thick.
There was never a decent explanation for that. But that
was before we had three D printing on our radar screen.
And Gary speaks of atomic level three D printing and
molecular level three D printing, and when I asked him
about that, he thinks that quite possibly Linda malten How's
material was three D printed at a microscopic level. Now
this is a little bit convoluted, to just stay with
me on this. The theory behind some of these materials
is that if you subject certain materials and certain alloys
to a certain terror Hurtz frequency, these alloys serve as
waveform guides and can create anti gravitic properties of craft
that they may be surrounded by. So I have a
video of a very young Travis Taylor testing Linda malten
How's material and subjecting it to terror hurts frequencies and
it's vibrating all around, jumping up off the thing where
a normal piece of aluminum just stayed. So why is
this have anything to do with this guy? Well, it
turns out that Frank Maywold was the guy that developed,
among many other things at JPL, terror hurts frequency sensors,
and so you know, you kind of ask yourself, well,
why do we need a terror hurts frequency sensor? If
there's any truth to the idea that certain terror hurts
frequencies can generate antigravitic effects when fed through certain alloys,
then a terror hurts frequency detector would be able to
detect these craft. And you know, this is just a
very very interesting connection between this work that this guy's
doing and things that we already know about. And so, yeah,
the terror hurts frequency detector, Why do we need that?
Why is it important? And how is it connected to UFOs?
And that's that's the connection. So all these people have
these these certain compartments that they were working in that
seem to be having connections to things that we already
know or at least have theorized about UFO technology. And
some of these connections you have to look pretty deep
to find them, like the one about the terror Hurtz sensors.
But yeah, they're all connected. My concern is that, you know,
we we set up ARROW, not we, but Kurs and
Jillibrand in Congress to protect whistleblowers. But what we've come
to find out is that ARROW is more interested in
identifying whistle blowers than it is in facilitating their ability
to come forward. So we're dealing with the one thing
all these people have in common is that they all
have the potential to disrupt the narrative that they're rolling
out to us. They've all got some kind of connection
to this technology. The general knows everything that's underground at
right Patterson, and so that you know, these are people
that when they start rolling out this story, they can
They're the ones that can come forward and say, oh, no,
that's not true, or no I worked on this program.
And so my guess, and it's pure speculation, but I
think that this is a collection of people that, through
some mechanism, had expressed an interest in coming forward. And
if we find out that's true. I know a couple
of big reporters are investigating it because I've fed them
the tips. If that turns out to be true, it's
going to be very very earth shattering.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Right, and I've heard it's up to twelve people. Now,
I don't know if that is another one that just
they just brought up.
Speaker 3: Yah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I saw something on someone posted it today.
It was out there and someone sent it to me
and I'm trying to remember. Her name was Amy something.
I believe I might have that wrong, but it was
just someone. It's kind of like another name just added recently.
So yeah, it's it's been really something.
Speaker 3: And the connections, know's, It's like on the surface, there
seems to be a connection, but then when you start
digging deeper and looking for well what was that connection?
These connections are there and that's what makes it even
more compelling. Amy Eskridge, Yeah, I haven't a time to
brush up. That's who I think.
Speaker 2: That's who I heard about this morning. Someone sent sent
that sounds very familiar to me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: It's it's it just really makes you wonder if you know,
I mean, you can't help but feel like it's going
to be a conspiracy when there's all these connections.
Speaker 3: It's true, and you know what's frightening is that why
would they be doing this again? My theory is that
they're about to float this story, this narrative that they're
going that they've been priming as for since twenty seventeen,
and that narrative is basically, we don't know what they are,
we haven't been reverse engineering craft. They're there, but we're
as in the dark as the public. And these are
all people that could disrupt that narrative. And that's what's
really scary is that if you look at what these
people did, it's clear that most of them, some of
them you can tell right off the bat, and some
of them have to do a little more digging, had
access to to you know, uh tech that was attempting
to be reverse engineered, and and that's not a stretch.
So the you know, one of them was doing anti
gravity research. You know, it's just like it's it's it's crazy.
And so the idea that people are actually in danger now,
you know, they used to threaten people in Roswell, you know,
it's a big desert out there. Haye, Yeah, so you
get lost. You know, we'd like to think that those
days are over and that nobody's getting killed over this anymore.
But it looks like it looks like we're all in danger.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Even Lou at one time not too long ago sent
me a text and just you keep your eyes open.
And so I hope they're not coming for the filmmakers
next that's gonna be it's gonna be a bummer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of that, you know, I mean films that
are coming out, uh, you know, like Steven Spielberg, A
lot of people are talking about that, like there's a
I think, uh there's some hints dropped. Of course it
could be for publicity, but that there is a bit
of truth in uh the U and Disclosure Day and
uh you know, supposedly there was a clip that was
shown that in the movie that's supposed to be something
real and that's going to be, you know, exciting to
see as well.
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to that one.
Speaker 3: Hey, So we got a question from Tony You want
to put that one up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, all right, yeah, Tony's I think Tony's from
the UK.
Speaker 1: If I remember right here we go.
Speaker 2: All right, So, how proactive is Moufon in this so
called disclosure process? May I I may be missing something
that I don't see any representation from Moufon in the
conversation with the government.
Speaker 1: Well there was some.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot. You know, the new movie covers
a lot of this. But Mouffon's been very busy in Washington,
d C. The only thing is we haven't been out
talking about it a whole lot, or cheating our own
horn in like some have. In the new film, we
talk about some of it, but Moufon has a lobbying
group that has been working with us in DC. We've
had meetings with over We've had over three hundred meetings
with different members of Congress. I've personally met with Tim Burchett,
Kristen gillibrand Eric Burlason, Andre Carson And that's just me
in meetings with these people. And in the new film
we finally kind of spilled the beans about what we've
been doing. We were even instrumental in some of the
language that got crafted into one of the UAP disclosure bills.
So yeah, we've been very busy behind the scenes in
Washington and a lot of stuff you've seen bubble up
is because of work that we've been doing. So you know, again,
is Muffon's doing what Mouffon needs to do for sure,
And in the new movie we actually blow the lid
off some of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll be talking about that.
Speaker 2: So there's a continuation of the missing scientists that we
have someone right here and about. I didn't realize that
it's now being investigated by the Trump presidency.
Speaker 1: Have you heard anything about that.
Speaker 3: I'm not. Yeah, yeah, the news myself, So I don't know.
David announced that they're going to gonna investigate that. Uh
so they're using AI to find connections and blah blah blah.
The FBI is looking into it. Now, that'll be great
if they if something comes up. But you know, frankly,
the people that are that are doing the work shouldn't
be the ones investigating the work that's being done.
Speaker 1: Right exactly. So here's a question here about you know,
who's basically who's going to be taking Nick Pope's place.
Speaker 2: You know, he was a great investigator. He was a
good voice out there. Yeah, you know, we lost another one,
and that's too bad. I know you knew him and.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, you know I knew Nick. You know, sorry,
I'm a little speechless and I'm still torn up about it.
When I before I ever got into the UFO field
as an investigator and a video maker, I used to
read UFO Magazine and Nick used to write a column
for UFO Magazine while he was still actually sitting at
the Ministry of Defense. And I remember reading his columns
and thinking, you know, this is really cool. We got
a guy inside a government who's openly talking about UFOs
and being friendly to the UFO community. And it was
him and Stanton Friedman, who was a bonafide scientist that
was talking openly and candidly about it. These were the
guys that I was very that I was their fan.
And then Steve Bassett hired me to produce his ex
conference in two thousand and eight, and that was the
beginning of my you know, really taking a track in
this field. And that's where I got to go and
I got to meet these guys. You know, all these
people I'd seen on TV. It's really hey, there's Richard Dolan,
there's you know, Nick Pope, there's Stanton, There's all these
people that there's that's when I met George Napp for
the first time, and so Nick was really good to
me for the entire time I knew him. I must
have interviewed him seven or eight times, and he is
all through the new movie. I don't know if it's
the last film that he's ever appeared in. But yeah,
it was too late to dedicate it to Nick in
the credits because it already got turned in before he passed.
But I really am gonna miss Nick Pope a lot.
He was a personal friend, and he was a friend
of the productions that I've done. He's been in every
documentary I've made.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, yeah, I really like every yu for a documentary. Yeah,
I did a little. I did. I did a little.
When I found out he passed.
Speaker 2: I did a little thing on him with a bunch
of pictures and stuff and a lot of a lot
a lot of people watch that, and I was I'm
grateful for that, and yeah, he really I communicated with
him toward towards the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2: He was grateful for some of the things that I
discussed with him. You know that he really meant something
to a lot of people. And anyway, Yeah, I miss
him too, And.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote a piece about him for the Wow,
the Wow newsletter, and it might end up in the
move On Journal. But yeah, he's uh, he's in the film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, And let's talk about your film,
because you've worked on that for a while, You've had
orders two years. Yeah, and so do you.
Speaker 2: Want to give like an overview of of that without
revealing you know, we want people to watch it, but
we got to just talk a little bit. I know
there's filming in Washington, you have several people in there.
If you would just go ahead and give like an
overview of.
Speaker 3: It, sure, So you know, Accidental Truth came out in
twenty twenty three and it won twenty eight Film Festival
Awards and a lot of people said it was one
of the best UFO films that had ever been done.
And what I noticed is that after that came out,
we've pretty much been getting the same movie, just recycled
through different filmmakers, but nothing new. And I didn't want
to make another UFO film until I could move the
ball because I felt like I moved the ball with
Accidental Truth. I really did. That's how I felt. You know.
Opinions may vary, but that's what I set out to do,
and I think I accomplished it. But with next, you know,
it's like, well, okay, so where are we and what's next?
We pick up where we left off in the first
Accidental Truth film and I take you the viewer on
my adventure through Washington, d C. Where I'm able to
document things that we have done behind the scenes that
you guys wouldn't believe it if we hadn't documented it
and showed it. You know, Like one of the things
that's really interesting that you're going to see in the
film is how we were sitting in the back of
the of the hearing room while Loue Elizondo was testifying,
texting questions to ask Lou to Congressman Eric Burlison in
real time. I remember you're telling me that he actually
asked Lou the question. We're the ones who texted him
the question to ask Lou about Lockheed Martin having those materials,
and Lou answered it, accidentally blowing the lid off the
whole Lockheed Martin story. And then uh yeah, and I'm
right behind you back there somewhere, So you know, in
the first Accidental Truth movie, we were questioning this material
story that big Low Aerospace was supposed to get materials
from from the government, and Robert Bigelow denied that he
ever got them. At the time, I thought that that
Robert Bigelow was being less than truthful. But it turns
out that, yeah, somebody, Lockheed Martin was the company that
had the materials, and somebody blocked the transfer of those
materials to Robert Bigelow at Bigelow Aerospace. And it was
during the hearing in real time that that story got
confirmed by luel A Zondo. And it was because of us,
like I said, live texting the questions. So you'll see
that in the film. It's a lot of really fun
behind the scenes stuff in DC. And then afterwards, you know,
we kind of just get to the point where we're
realizing that we're only going to get so far with
disclosure in that environment. So then I take off to Ohio.
Right after the first hearing, I go to Ohio. I
visit a guy who's got some UFO materials that have
been studied by a lot of people. Even Luella Zone
know and Tom DeLong went to this guy's house to
get samples of this material. It's a it's a very
well known UFO story. So we go to pull samples
out of this and very strange things happen while we're
pulling the samples, and I have some right here, and
in the film, uh, you know, you'll see what happened
when we when we went to test this stuff. But
I return with uh, with the samples to turn in
on the day of the ARROW hearing. I returned with
the samples. I turned them over to Kirsten Gillibrand's office
to be tested by Arrow. And so there's reports out
there that Arrow finally released where they say it's you know,
it's not very important material, but there's other studies that
we did at the same time that are raising more questions.
And we have samples of this material for any bona
fide person or lab that has the ability to test it,
we'll provide that to you. So that's in the film.
And then Martin, where we go is you know, the
reason it's called accidental truth. Next is because okay, let's
just agree that non human intelligence is interacting with humanity.
What are the questions we need to be asking now?
And so we take we go from three really interesting
materials cases into h riswan Vik and Whitley Strieber and
Diane Hennessy Powell and doctor Gary Nolan and and you know,
Thomas Jane the actor, and we're exploring what all of
this means for humanity and people by the time they
get to the end of this movie are just going
to be like what We're giving the audience a whole
new set of things to think about. And so it's
a it's a it's people have told me. It's a
fascinating journey from the nuts and bolts of Washington, d C.
To the edge of our reality, all in one film,
and it's it's already one. It's up to nine film
festivals that we've already won and the film's not even
out yet. And once again Matthew Modine narrates Thomas Jaine
is Thomas Jane, the actors in it, and what she
didn't see at that screening we did. We replaced the
entire music track, and Alan Howorth, the musical genius behind
all the John Carpenter movies, Halloween, Christine, Escape from New York,
he does a completely original soundtrack that Sony Music is
releasing as well. So I can't wait to see how
it hits the audience.
Speaker 1: Excellent. Yeah, I'll be there for sure. So here's a statement,
and from a longtime listener who's in chat most weeks.
No real progress over eighty years, yet few would agree
to reevaluate.
Speaker 2: The methods and assumptions of upology. Doesn't make sense. I
just wondered what you thought about that comment.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, he makes an interesting point. You know,
Muffon's been around for fifty seven years rough I think
fifty seven, and their whole premise was that we're going
to pick up Project blue Book stopped. We're going to
create a civilian organization to pick up that work. And
so for all these years now, everybody's chasing lights in
the sky and looking for pictures of flying saucers. This
is way beyond that now, and reevaluation is I think
evolution would be a better way to say it. But
we have to take all these other things into consideration,
because we're not going to get to the true answer
of any of this without starting to look at some
of these esoteric teachings and phenomena. The experiencers are really
going to be a bigger and bigger part of the
story because they are being communicated with, and it's time
to quit it to start taking them seriously. And so no,
we can't continue to look for answers in flying saucers
and government secrets. The answer are way bigger than either
of those little categories, right, So yeah, the entire field
is about to evolve, and I think my film is
going to be helping people to figure out what the
next question. This isn't about giving you guys answers. It's
about furnishing you with some ideas for the the questions
that we should be asking.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. My friend Dean Alioto has a movie he's
going to be screening there as well, Contacting the Desert,
and that's on experience, so I know he's been I've
been talking to.
Speaker 1: Him about that a long time. He's been working on that.
Speaker 2: So that's another exciting one to see while you're there.
I had Capron on last week and I was telling
him how excited I am to go again to contact us.
Speaker 1: It'll only be my second one.
Speaker 2: I know you've gone to many, but that's uh, I'm
so excited to go there, and it's it's it's uh.
You know, when I talked to Nick Pope there, he
said he didn't think he originated it.
Speaker 1: But he said what did he say?
Speaker 2: It was the woodstock of UFOs or the burning man
of UFOs or something like that.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what he said.
Speaker 3: You know, it used to be that even more when
when they had it in the middle of nowhere and
if you wanted to go to it, you needed a tent.
And you know that. I remember that smelling like petuli
because there were no showers. Yeah, yeah, that was I'm
glad that it got moved. Yeah. Oh.
Speaker 2: I think that was one of the reasons I was
holding me back is because I was thinking that it
was still like that, and I, you know, I'm not
really one to want to go out It's so hot
out there anyway, you know, to be out there, I
don't know. But so I want to just say thank
you all for being in chat. I appreciate your questions.
Anytime you want to put a question out there for
our guests, please do put them in caps so I
don't miss them.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: What's next?
Speaker 2: I always have to ask people when they have a
really big project in the can because it seems like
people are always.
Speaker 1: Thinking what are they going to do next? Do you
have any plans?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm working on a I can actually say this. Now.
I'm helping JJ and desire her Talk work on a
documentary about their work and the Keys of Enoch, which
their dear friends, and I consider JJ a very profound
spiritual teacher, so I'm doing that as a project. I
have a new one that I'm doing with Michael Schratt
called Stringfield Theory, where we have taken some of Leonard
Stringfield's best cases. Yes, he was one of the original
UFO investigators. We have brought these cases to life with
some super cutting edge AI and so we're going to
some of his cases and re enacting them. That's really fun.
I'm doing a project with Toby from the Roswell Daily Record,
I believe it or not, Roswell the gift that keeps
on giving. We've got new materials, news witnesses, all kinds
of stuff that's popping with that. So those are right
on the immediate front burner. And then I'm working on
some music projects. So that's right. I'm busy. I'm busy
for the foreseeable future. And then of course I've got
to do the media rounds for the films, like you
finished the film, and then the whole other thing starts.
You know, six months of podcasts and showing up the
conferences and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: So as far as you know, kind of looking forward,
do you think that. I mean, I haven't heard about
any more hearings or anything like that. I mean, I
don't know if that's going to even help at this point.
I mean, I know that people that are more on
I want to say balance, our skeptic side will say,
we need the nuts and bolts. Let's stop doing this
until we get the nuts and bolts, And yeah, what
do you think about that? I mean, I think that
would certainly be great, but we haven't seen any of
that so far.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think that people have, you know,
like Tim Burchett, there's a video that I put on
not too long ago where he's talking to me about
Trump and disclosure. I think it's in the hands of
the administration at this point. And so there is this
back and forth and the Congress themselves, they're not really
acting autonomously anymore because they're plugged in at the White House.
So and you know, people can say what they want
to say about Trump, good or bad. I'm not entering
that fray, but you know he's going to do whatever
he does with this information in a manner that suits
whatever purpose he thinks he needs to fill. So you know,
could we get some kind of disclosure as a distraction.
There's people that are saying that is he just going
to take it upon himself to gift humanity with this knowledge?
Who knows. But decisions are being made at the upper
echelons beyond Congress right now. So I know that there's
been plenty of which witnesses being paraded in front of
these guys, and like Eric Burlison to this day says, well,
I'm from the show me state, so you have to
show me. And one of my last questions to Eric
was I know some of the people that have been
through your doors, and I know some of the places
that you've gone. If you haven't been shown yet, then
there's something seriously wrong. So I think these guys are
now they used to be in the position and they
wanted to know the answers. Now they're in the position
of a lot of them have been told the answers
and they can't share them. So you know, once that happens,
you become part of the problem.
Speaker 2: A lot of times I've seen, like the question of
it being steered toward our possible adversaries instead of you know,
nhi are You know, when they're posed these questions, and
the one thing that I think is kind of a
blanket for them is national security, Like we can't really
talk about this because of national security, and so that's
you know what you often hear and I just you know,
I heard that, you know, the administration said, Okay, let's
release all the information. Let's get it out there. But
I don't know how far that'll go, you know, I
don't I don't know, it's not going to go very
far at all.
Speaker 3: There's there's a major pushback. You know, there are national
security implications to this, but you know, there's also a
lot of other reasons that they need to keep it
a secret. And so, like, like we said in the
beginning of the interview, there's only going to be so
much information they're going to give us, and it's going
to be tempered with. Yeah, here's a weird video. We
don't know what it is. Have fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: Here's here's something that I observed and what we saw
with the very first hearings. Remember when Molten and Bray
came forward from the d i A and they were
questioned and they denied everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that, I was watching that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Marco Rubio was very vocal about this topic, right,
I mean a lot right up until those hearings, and
right after those hearings, they had a private briefing, you know,
in a classified environment. And when Marco Rubio came out
of that briefing, he hardly ever talked about the topic again.
And then when he appeared in Age of Disclosure talking
about things that he'd been told, he was interviewed about that.
I don't know if people saw it. He literally threw
the film under the bus. He said, well, that wasn't
things I knew about. Those are just things I was told.
And the way they edited it was very creative. I
guess they're trying to sell movies. I mean, he dissed
his own interview. And my theory about that is that
once these guys are brought into to a point where
they're given enough information, they are also in agreement that
there needs to be secrecy, and that's why they quit
talking about it. And you know, it's like Tim Burchett
is coming out now saying, you know, they've told me
some things that would keep everybody awake at night, right, Yeah,
And I have to agree that there's some elements to
this that that are way worse than we think. I've
got Nick Pope in the new movie talking about the
secret too terrible to be.
Speaker 1: Told and.
Speaker 3: That lees yeah, so yeah, that's uh that that once
you take it into a room and you're told, look,
I'm going to give you some information, but you can't
tell anybody, and you agree to that, then you become
part of the problem. You become part of the cover up.
I've been taken into those rooms and had people say
I'm going to tell you something, but you can't share it,
and my answer every time is, well, that's not why
I'm here. I am here to get information from you
and give it to people. So I'm not going to
carry the burden of your secret. So if you don't
want me to put it in my next film, don't
tell me. And because I don't want that, I don't
want to be one of those guys who's been taken
in the room and told a bunch of shit that
I can't tell you it's like, then then I'm one
of them, and I'm stuck in the same box that
they are and and I can't serve the I can't
serve my audience by by making those kind of agreements.
Speaker 2: Right, And uh, you know it's like when I've had
lou On, you've talked to him many times, it's like,
you know, he can't say certain things, and and it's
hard for him, and it's hard for people listening to
him because they wanted him to say it, but he would,
he just can't. So here's a I don't know if
I totally agree with this, doctor Richard. When did the
government become the all end all of youuthological research. I
think that we're looking never have been. Yeah, I think
we're looking for them to do more. And that was
you know, Project blue Book, you know, you all the
way back to Grunge and all the other things that
we've looked for them to do. But I think a
lot of that has been over the years, more window
dressing than anything else.
Speaker 3: Myself, well, you know John Alexander, who everybody, anybody who
knows who he is knows that he's probably one of
the original guys that could tell you, but he'd have
to kill you. And his whole statement about government's role
in this is it's not what government does, you know,
And even lou will say things like, look, we're not
here to serve the idle curiosity of a few, We're
here to protect the country. And so, you know, it
never really became some obligation of government to go out
and research this stuff and then come to us with answers.
And truthfully, there's been more civilian research done. Granted we
don't have a flying saucer in our garage, but you know,
the the civilian community has kept this research going far
more publicly than the government. And somebody's asking about false flags.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to put that up right now.
Speaker 2: So do you take seriously the concerns that some faction
the government may be planning a false flag, fake attack
by invaders from space.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, that's the whole Project Blue Beam thing.
Richard Dolan wrote a really interesting book, and I don't
think he ever put it out. It was about false
flag operations through history, and him and I talked about
this at length in relation to Project Bluebeam, and I
tend to agree with him. He said, it's very it
would be really hard to pull off in this day
and age where we have so much access to video
and technology, and everybody knows that you can't trust anything
you see anymore. So to really pull that off and
convince the population that's that's what was going on on A,
there'd have to be a pretty good reason to do it,
and B it's just getting harder and harder to be
able to pull something like that off and convince people.
Speaker 1: Right right, This is just a comment.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Steve, and let's see if we
have any other questions. So well, I think this has
been a great night and I am really looking forward
to seeing you out at Contact in the Desert as always,
and I always good to see you and I'll definitely
be there during your film, totally supporting you and thank
you Martin. And so as far as someone reaching out
to you, do you have are you accessible, Well, yeah.
Speaker 3: You can email me at Ron James contact at gmail
dot com. You know, I try. I talked to everybody
so and you can keep up with the new film
at accidentaltruthnext dot com. That's where we're publishing new information
and it comes out June second on Amazon, Apple, YouTube
Movies and TV and Google Play. That's going to be
the four places you can get it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this question just popped up, and we'll I'm
in no rush to stop.
Speaker 3: It's just.
Speaker 1: This question here, do you think that's Eyes on Cinema?
Speaker 2: Content on YouTube is needed to keep this whole conversation
grounded in nuts and bolts way, I love. I just
had a conversation with the person that runs at these
Dutch I believe Joseph Eyes on Cinema. I don't know
if you've checked out their videos where they're getting them.
You know, some great, great old videos from the past, right,
But yeah, Eyes on Cinema.
Speaker 3: But I don't like the conversation grounded it makes sense anymore.
There is no pure nuts and bolts explanation for this,
and the people that are trying to keep it to
nuts and bolts are only going to get so far.
You know, the the answer to this lies in the
whole nature of reality, the nation of the notion of
subjective and consensus reality consciousness. And you know, a lot
of the ancient spiritual teachings very esoteric stuff. And you know,
are there nuts and bolts flying saucers and nuts and
bolts hardware, Sure, but they're a very small part of
the overall answer. And you know that's what we're covering
in the new film. So yeah, I think anybody putting
shining a spotlight on this stuff from any direction is
helping to keep the conversation going.
Speaker 2: You know, as far as this, someone had alerted me
to a movie that just went up on Eyes on
Cinema and it was it's really good, but people aren't
gonna like it, and people are bashing it because.
Speaker 1: Basically what he did was he edited.
Speaker 2: Bob Lasar's conversations over the years and he puts them
side by side.
Speaker 1: He says this, and he says this, and he's he's.
Speaker 2: Contradicting himself over and over again. But you just have
to watch the video make up your mind on your
own what you think about that. But I think most
people that are really involved with the Bob Lazare story
do not want to watch anything that's going to possibly
change their mind. I just have seen that because anytime
I speak on that, I get a lot of response.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, people, once they form a belief system,
they do not want to entertain things that might challenge it.
And that's one of the biggest problems with disclosure is
we have all these camps right now that are that
are firm in their beliefs as to what this stuff is.
And you know, like I'll go on some of these
some of these Christian talk shows and they're like, this
is angels and demons. There's no aliens, blah blah blah
blah blah, and they don't want and I'm like, look,
you need to be open to the idea that all
of this could be true. But they don't want to
be open to that idea. So we're dealing with a
whole lot of people that are clinging to certain belief
systems that may not survive scrutiny, and they will fight
to hold onto that through anything. And so you know,
it's a whole other problem with the disclosure.
Speaker 1: Right And yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2: And someone just wrote that it was a very convincing
Jesse Michael interview with Bob Blazaar. I know that, and
that's where that chuck I can't remember the name the
film came out of. But anyway, I understand that there's
some great interviews and all that, but I personally think
that Bob Blazaar should be really scrutinized because there's so
many things against his story and if you're not interested
in learning any of that, then don't watch that film
on eyes on Cinema that I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is, it's all pointed out. I mean, he
does it himself.
Speaker 2: It's Bob Blazaar talking contradicting himself one clip to another.
You know, it's not anyone saying those words, it's him.
So But anyway, I can't wait for my emails now
for that saying that.
Speaker 3: But you know you're gonna be okay. Yeah. Oh and
you know, I forgot to mention we did the old
Accidental Truth movie. If you haven't seen it yet, you
can still rent it on Amazon, but if you want
to watch it for free, you can go to YouTube
movie tv and you can watch it there. And I
strongly encourage everybody uh to watch it before the new
one comes out because it'll it'll really set the stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good point. Yeah all right, Ron, thanks
so much, and we'll see in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Martin, thank you for having me on. I really appreciate
it anytime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun, all right. Take care