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Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 3: This case. We're talking a mile. We got this guy
Speaker 3: who did something early in life and then he kind
Speaker 3: of vanished for a bit, and then he comes back
Speaker 3: later and does a little something else. Hashtag wild man.
Speaker 3: Today we're talking about Joven Collier. Our sources today we
Speaker 3: got murder Pedia, Uh spoiler alert, this website they will
Speaker 3: kill you dot com series, ABC dot Com and Milwaukee
Speaker 3: Journal Sentinel.
Speaker 1: What is the guy's name from? Uh? Oh? Fuck? Uh?
Speaker 1: What the hell's that show? Now? The one that's the
Speaker 1: Olsen Twins. Fuck's that show? Full House? Yeah? Full House?
Speaker 1: What's the guy from that?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Dave cool? Yeah, Yeah, that's what that reminded me of.
Speaker 1: I could think of his name?
Speaker 3: And Blowy is fucking.
Speaker 7: Which one want to see Joe Joey.
Speaker 1: Sly about him.
Speaker 4: Ain't gotta be handsome, just gotta make him laugh exactly.
Speaker 3: Dude, he's got that wood chuck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, him holding that baby like, oh, did anybody order
Speaker 4: a pizza?
Speaker 1: It's so fun, dude?
Speaker 3: So alrighty, So first we're going to start off with
Speaker 3: something that happened November of twenty ten.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: This is from Dailymail dot co dot uk. When school
Speaker 3: teacher Candy Williams met Jove and Colier on a beach
Speaker 3: in the Sunshine State in late two thousand and five,
Speaker 3: she thought her search for love was over. Within three months,
Speaker 3: he had moved in with her and they planned to marry.
Speaker 3: So moving real quick, real fast, she said, quote it
Speaker 3: was a whirlwind. We hit it off that day. It
Speaker 3: was really quick. He was very charming, a smooth talker.
Speaker 3: Sweet you know and funny. So Miss Williams said the
Speaker 3: pair had a lot in common when they met, having
Speaker 3: both recently moved to the Saint Petersburg area, and they
Speaker 3: were trying to build a new life. Uh, anyone want
Speaker 3: to do a disclaimer?
Speaker 1: We make fun of a lot of people. If you
Speaker 1: don't like that, fuck you, there's.
Speaker 3: Green Man for you. Alrighty, where are we We're just joking.
Speaker 3: We're just joshing. Yeah they are so green Man serious whatever,
Speaker 3: he says.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, she said they had a lot in common,
Speaker 3: so right away they're already going to move in together,
Speaker 3: plan to get married. Quote. I was looking for someone
Speaker 3: to share my life with, she told twenty twenty co
Speaker 3: anchor Chris Cuomo.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, she's still alive. God them.
Speaker 3: I was just missing a significant other that I really wanted,
Speaker 3: She said. They bonded over both having dealt with loss
Speaker 3: in their lives. I'd been through a lot of tough times,
Speaker 3: lots of deaths in my family. The first day at
Speaker 3: the beach, he told me that his parents have been
Speaker 3: killed in a tragic car accident by drunk drivers, and
Speaker 3: he had always felt like he was missing something, she added,
Speaker 3: So like right away they're like bonding over loss and
Speaker 3: stuff and just yeah, they felt like they were, you know,
Speaker 3: just hitting it off really well. Yeah, let's see here.
Speaker 3: What she didn't know at that time was that the
Speaker 3: man she was sharing her bed with and enjoying a
Speaker 3: romance with would soon turn into a real life horror story.
Speaker 1: Ohn.
Speaker 3: Shit, Yeah, so right off the bat, this absolutely sucks
Speaker 3: for Candy. She's a school teacher. She's been through a
Speaker 3: lot already.
Speaker 1: I don't know the.
Speaker 3: Details of it, but she said, like, you know, she's
Speaker 3: dealt with a lot of death and family and stuff,
Speaker 3: and she thinks that she finally found the one. She
Speaker 3: found a nice guy. They have a lot in common,
Speaker 3: and right away they're moving fast or moving in within weeks,
Speaker 3: planning to get married, already doing some anal didn't say
Speaker 3: that that back there on it between the lines here
Speaker 3: sounds like they did a lot of anal Yeah, uh
Speaker 3: so from ABC news dot Com. While Colier was attractive, intelligent,
Speaker 3: and ambitious, this apparent total package came with the fuzzy
Speaker 3: web of connections. He would regularly leave Florida for the
Speaker 3: Midwest to visit friends, an ex wife, and his son.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's like, wait, you, you have an ex wife,
Speaker 3: you have kids with Hell, it's.
Speaker 1: You're just going on a trip for a little bit.
Speaker 1: I hope he didn't even say X my wife real quick.
Speaker 3: You're just gonna go see a woman and her kid
Speaker 3: who my ex wife and myself. Yeah, but keep that butle.
Speaker 1: Why are you buying so much condoms?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I gotta go see my son.
Speaker 3: Candy later found out that Colier also was reconnecting with
Speaker 3: a daughter named Nicole, from whose life he had been
Speaker 3: conspicuously absent for nearly six years. Wow, so she's like, wait,
Speaker 3: you also have a daughter? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: He's like, oh shit, should have been like first date, Like,
Speaker 1: hey you have you know, a son and a daughter
Speaker 1: in a life. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Luckily for Colier, Candy was supportive. So she's like, she
Speaker 3: seems like such a good like a nice girl, good person.
Speaker 3: She said, I do care about his daughter. She's a
Speaker 3: very nice young lady. And these feelings worked both ways.
Speaker 3: It was very nute. It was very neat to see
Speaker 3: that Nicole said this is his daughter. She said, quote,
Speaker 3: I mean, my dad was getting his life back on tracks,
Speaker 3: settling down hopefully for good. So he's introducing his daughter
Speaker 3: to or they like each other, so that's always good.
Speaker 3: As Collier learned again to be a father, he was
Speaker 3: given the chance to be a son. It turned out
Speaker 3: that the parents who, according to Collier, had died in
Speaker 3: a car crash, those were actually adoptive parents to whom
Speaker 3: he was given at birth. Okay, so he's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: my parents that died in a car crash, they were
Speaker 3: my adoptive parents.
Speaker 1: So like his mom just like drop them off or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Quote this is what.
Speaker 3: He says now because he did an interview with twenty
Speaker 3: twenty also, so he says, quote, I honestly had abandonment
Speaker 3: issues my entire life. I never felt like I was
Speaker 3: part of anything. I was reminded that I was adopted
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: I hope.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, because my adoptive parents would just call
Speaker 3: me orphaned.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was told that my mother was a whore. This
Speaker 3: is all just about his adoptive.
Speaker 1: Father war fit. Your mom's a horror.
Speaker 3: She's I was also told she's a horrible person, she's
Speaker 3: trailer trash, blah blah blah. But his mother was far
Speaker 3: from trailer trash. His real mother. She is, in fact,
Speaker 3: an attractive Atlanta realtor. She's married to an affluent and
Speaker 3: affluent plastic surgeon. Wow, And after searching for years, she
Speaker 3: was able to track down her long lost son. So
Speaker 3: she he actually finds her, and she finds him. I
Speaker 3: think she was looking for him.
Speaker 4: Actually, she just came up for adoption, like because she Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know why, Okay, yeah, but he was giving
Speaker 4: up for adoption.
Speaker 3: He found out when he was like twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 3: I think his adoptive parents died in a car accident,
Speaker 3: he says. And he didn't know his real parents until
Speaker 3: way later on.
Speaker 1: Who raised him?
Speaker 3: Uh, we'll get there, Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was actually dropped off at Notre Dome, the
Speaker 5: giant church.
Speaker 1: Home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, stay right here, raised by gargoyles.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he might not be telling the truth about
Speaker 3: some of this.
Speaker 1: Oh you.
Speaker 3: A while into their relationship, Candy found out that cole
Speaker 3: Air was married twice before and had two children. So
Speaker 3: he's talking about getting married with her, like a month
Speaker 3: into the relationship and he's already been married twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, okay, this isn't gonna work out.
Speaker 3: They had a brief breakup when she found out that
Speaker 3: he was making trips to Indiana to apparently spend time
Speaker 3: with his son, but it turned out he was still
Speaker 3: married and he was trying to like get back together
Speaker 3: with his second wife, so hashtag while that's kind of funny.
Speaker 3: Although he had lied about his adoptive parents dying in
Speaker 3: a car crash, yeah, we'll get to that. They don't
Speaker 3: really die in a car crash, he had shared with
Speaker 3: Can that his birth mother had found him and they
Speaker 3: now enjoyed a relationship. So he's like, yeah, my parents,
Speaker 3: my Adoctor parents didn't really die in a car crash.
Speaker 3: But I did find my birth mother and now I
Speaker 3: have a relationship with my real mom.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: He told twenty twenty about his adoption quote, I honestly
Speaker 3: had abandonment issues my entire life. Yeah, pretty much the
Speaker 3: same quote Alred you read where he's like, I don't.
Speaker 3: I didn't feel like part of anything. I was always
Speaker 3: told I was adopted and felt like, yeah, so they.
Speaker 1: Take me to the they weren't dead. Then they adoptive
Speaker 1: parents like they're dead.
Speaker 3: But he's telling them. He's not telling the whole story
Speaker 3: about his about his coming up and everything. So I
Speaker 3: mean he did he lied about his adoptive parents dying
Speaker 3: in a car crash. He lied about having two wives,
Speaker 3: having two kids.
Speaker 1: He lied about the.
Speaker 3: Anal probably what's that buttles? Two butttholes, hey to how
Speaker 3: you doing. I'm just sitting on this in or two
Speaker 3: because my second buttthole.
Speaker 1: Her do this.
Speaker 6: So that's going into characters like that takes some skill.
Speaker 1: Keeping it up for years, yea, believing it. So that's
Speaker 1: you're not friends anymore, your friend for like a year
Speaker 1: or so.
Speaker 3: So so Jovin he we don't really know much about
Speaker 3: his birth parents. We know that he was adopted, or
Speaker 3: he said he's adopted, and he said that his adopted
Speaker 3: parents were killed by trunk drivers. But then soon after
Speaker 3: finding his birth mother, he's like, yeah, I found my
Speaker 3: birth mother. He's telling that the candy, his birth mother
Speaker 3: quits talking to him all together. Oh fuck yeah dude,
Speaker 3: Well yeah, hash wild mom, Dude, she's a quote. But
Speaker 3: his mother turned out not to be what he claims
Speaker 3: his adoptive parents called her like, because according to him,
Speaker 3: his adoptive parents were saying his real mom's a whore
Speaker 3: and all this other shit and trailer trash. But yeah,
Speaker 3: she's a realtor in Atlanta, she's married to a plastic surgeon.
Speaker 3: She's doing really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So she apparently had searched for him for years before
Speaker 3: finally tracking down her long lost son, and a DNA
Speaker 3: test would prove their relationship. So this woman is actually
Speaker 3: his real mom that finds him. For a while, everything
Speaker 3: was great in both relationships that he had with Candy
Speaker 3: and also with his mother, and they even all spent
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving together. Oh so things are going good for him. However,
Speaker 3: and the summer two thousand and eight, Collier told Candy
Speaker 3: that he was no longer speaking to his mother because
Speaker 3: she she stopped having a relationship with him. He said
Speaker 3: that she had bad mouthed his girlfriend fuck and he
Speaker 3: didn't like that, so he cut off relationship with his mom.
Speaker 1: Candy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he told her. You understand she's not
Speaker 3: rounding because she says she called you. She was talking
Speaker 3: about show. She said the a I made up all
Speaker 3: this stuff on anal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she said your mashed potatoes that Thanksgiving Thanksgiving a
Speaker 4: fucking sock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yude potatoes.
Speaker 3: In reality, his mother had found something out about her son,
Speaker 3: and then Candy would find something out as well.
Speaker 1: But what could that be?
Speaker 3: It turns out, guys, that Joven Colier is actually someone
Speaker 3: named Peter Zimmer. Dude, Hell yeah, dude, yes, from they
Speaker 3: will Kill You dot com. So seems like we might
Speaker 3: have a turn coming up. Was there like a black
Speaker 3: hid near him that was going to get skittles?
Speaker 1: The same name.
Speaker 3: So Jovin Colier, originally named Peter Zimmer, was born July seventh,
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight. This is dom This is bullshit. His
Speaker 3: real dad's name is Hans Zimmer. Yeah, yes, why would
Speaker 3: you not tell people that?
Speaker 1: I'll tell everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not the Hans Zimmer, but still a fucking Hans.
Speaker 5: There was more than one Hans Zimmer.
Speaker 3: His mom's name is Sally Zimmer, and they lived in Wakanda, Illinois.
Speaker 1: That should be a superhero.
Speaker 3: And when you look up Wakanda, Illinois on their wiki,
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, after a black panther came out, tons
Speaker 3: of prank calls came into this place, people calling it
Speaker 3: pretending it was actually Wakanda.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Peter was the couple's first son.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 3: Adopted when he was just a newborn. Four years later
Speaker 3: they adopted another child, a boy named Perry.
Speaker 1: So this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whenever, Yeah, it's very confusing. He gets adopted by
Speaker 3: Hans and Sally Zimmer, so when he's just a super
Speaker 3: young he gets adopted. So his real mom that does
Speaker 3: find him later is not these people. So yeah, Hans
Speaker 3: and Sally Zimmer. The Zimmer family face challenges when Hans
Speaker 3: lost his job as an airplane mechanics. Yeah, dude, for real,
Speaker 3: so he decided to buy a keyboard. This led to
Speaker 3: them to move to Mineral Point, Wisconsin in search of
Speaker 3: a new start. The family lived in a farmhouse a
Speaker 3: few miles outside of town. Peter enrolled in Mineral Point
Speaker 3: High School and was viewed as a popular kid who
Speaker 3: excelled in track. However, some friends from his previous school
Speaker 3: noticed that he didn't seem very happy in his new surroundings.
Speaker 1: How do they like their water there?
Speaker 3: During his early teenage years, Peter learned that he was adopted,
Speaker 3: which was confirmed by his parents after a relative hinted
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 8: Fuck yeah, uncle, drunk, uncle's you get your mom something
Speaker 8: from Mother's Day?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for he I fucked her.
Speaker 3: So I think he was twelve or thirteen when he
Speaker 3: found out the hell yeah, like, why did you tell
Speaker 3: him that?
Speaker 1: That was definitely a drunk n Cale. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 3: He felt a sense of alienation, believing relatives often spoke
Speaker 3: ill of his birth mother. Peter struggled with his identity
Speaker 3: and felt he was treated differently compared to his adoptive siblings.
Speaker 3: You know, so he's like you guys like Perry better
Speaker 3: than you like me, Like Perry's also adopted.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What about May nineteen eighty three, when Peter was only fourteen,
Speaker 3: things would take a tragic turn. A counselor at his
Speaker 3: school received worrying information that Peter had mentioned wanting to
Speaker 3: harm his family.
Speaker 1: That woman.
Speaker 3: Was the uncle. I would get it, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: May twenty third, nineteen eighty three, We're just gonna jump
Speaker 3: right into it. Peter Zimmer killed three members of his family.
Speaker 3: He kills his adoptive parents, Hans and Sally Zimmer. Wow,
Speaker 3: and his brother Perry.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: He's fourteen years old, dude. The murders took place at
Speaker 3: their farmhouse and mineral points. That's in Wisconsin. We'll get
Speaker 3: into the details. It's not like he's like a kid
Speaker 3: and just took a gun and shot him. These are
Speaker 3: fucking brutal.
Speaker 1: Oh damn.
Speaker 3: He shot his his dad five times. Sally Zimmer had
Speaker 3: been stabbed multiple times and was later found in a shed.
Speaker 3: Fuck Perry, who was only ten years old at the time,
Speaker 3: was stabbed more than twenty five times and had defensive wounds.
Speaker 3: After the murders, Peter fled the scene in his father's
Speaker 3: are hashtag wo.
Speaker 1: Man this one. Yeah, he fleed in the car.
Speaker 4: They found him out the neighbors crash into the He
Speaker 4: was quickly apprehended after using his father's credit card in
Speaker 4: Kansas City.
Speaker 3: That's so, so he got to Kansas City. He's like,
Speaker 3: I did, I got away.
Speaker 1: Let's use dad's.
Speaker 4: Credit card, anything, the most traceable thing possible.
Speaker 3: He's like the kid when he gets the blank check.
Speaker 1: The hell Yeah dude, I didn't know that kid, like
Speaker 1: it's so fucked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, he used to listen to his band. He
Speaker 3: used to be in a band.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 4: He was basically like statutory raped and that the girl
Speaker 4: was hot, but like kiss.
Speaker 3: Especially if the directors like, all right, that was great,
Speaker 3: but let's get this. Let's shoot this scene one more time.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, this next one. Grab his duck. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: for some reason say nice guys, finished last, throw that
Speaker 3: out of there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he gets apprehended in Kansas City. Due to his age,
Speaker 3: Peter pleaded no contest to the killing, and he was
Speaker 3: deemed delinquent and he was sent to the Ethan Allen
Speaker 3: School for Boys. Hey, let's see Ethan Allen School fucking
Speaker 3: where he served just over a year for each murder. Wow,
Speaker 3: this guy does like four years.
Speaker 1: That's insane. That's why he.
Speaker 3: Gets out, changes his name. He later gave an interview
Speaker 3: to twenty.
Speaker 1: He gets out. He's like, well, I'm an adult now,
Speaker 1: so that's cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it gets away, it gets and you kill somebody
Speaker 3: with a knife.
Speaker 1: That's very personal. He killed two twenty times. That's insane.
Speaker 3: He killed three people. People, get a year for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's insane. Man, Like he can get it out
Speaker 1: of prison and still can't run a car. That's fucking insane.
Speaker 3: Following the tragic events, Peter fled the area. He was
Speaker 3: eventually apprehended and charged as a juvenile. Yeah, like we said,
Speaker 3: because of his age, he gets sent to the Ethan
Speaker 3: Allen School for Boys, where he stayed until shortly before
Speaker 3: his nineteenth birthday. So he does like four years for
Speaker 3: like under five years. I mean he gets out when
Speaker 3: he's eighteen and he was fourteen a little over fourteen
Speaker 3: when he did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's insane. Let's see here.
Speaker 3: During his time there, he did not seek psychiatric help
Speaker 3: ash yeah, cats downtime, what about it, nor did he
Speaker 3: publicly talk about his past or the events that led
Speaker 3: to him in the facility. So why are you here?
Speaker 3: Don't want to talk about it? Okay, I guess you'll
Speaker 3: get out in four years. Hey, I robbed a bank.
Speaker 3: Oh fuck yeah, dude to bank? Yeah, like a fucking
Speaker 3: seventy year old dude. Uh, this fucking super old guy.
Speaker 3: He was so old he couldn't do anything. They just
Speaker 3: let him walk around ship dude. And the one time
Speaker 3: to lunch they asked him that, Yeah, so you know
Speaker 3: what you do? And everyone always lasts and I ask
Speaker 3: it because he's like everyone here is like a molester.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Like so he's like, let's just say it
Speaker 3: was something I shouldn't have done. Yeah, I'm gonna look
Speaker 3: you up. Yeah dude, Yeah, he was like a priest
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: We know what you did.
Speaker 3: Man, He like tried to run away with a girl.
Speaker 1: Dude, like a kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah so yeah after turning Uh, oh where were we?
Speaker 3: Wisconsin law No, that's not where I was, okay following
Speaker 3: the tragic event. Yeah, he didn't seek psychiat or help.
Speaker 3: He didn't talk about any events or anything.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: He left school with the new identity. He became Jove
Speaker 3: and Colier.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, why do you picked that? Man?
Speaker 3: Hey, I know you killed your family and you don't
Speaker 3: have anything, But I'll tell you what you like, John
Speaker 3: or some new identity and a fresh star dude, because
Speaker 3: that's what he deserved.
Speaker 4: I hope that was his punishment was Okay, but your
Speaker 4: name has to be Jovin he gets more, dude.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah.
Speaker 3: He also received a trust fund from the adoptive family
Speaker 3: that he killed. But yeah, because this allowed him to
Speaker 3: start new life away from Wisconsin because he pleaded no
Speaker 3: contest so he wasn't found guilty of it. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: he killed the family, he's the only one left, Jesus,
Speaker 3: so he gets them on he gets six figures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jude, he didn't.
Speaker 3: Murdered your whole family and you get a new identity
Speaker 3: and your that's like a.
Speaker 4: Huge reason to kill them then like, yeah, I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna get the money and only be in there for
Speaker 4: four years.
Speaker 3: So it was six figures. I think I don't remember,
Speaker 3: but yeah, he moved. He was to Florida to reinvent himself,
Speaker 3: and he eventually got married and had children, all while
Speaker 3: keeping his dark pass hidden from those around him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's insane Wisconsin law at the time. Since because of
Speaker 3: this case, they're like, yeah, maybe we changing, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we fucking you know that up.
Speaker 1: The whole family's done.
Speaker 6: So who's gonnabout.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because yeah, so it gets changed. But it was
Speaker 3: like they didn't allow him to be charged as an adult,
Speaker 3: so he pleaded no contest of the killings and he
Speaker 3: was found delinquent, so there's no trial. He never expressed
Speaker 3: remre or explain his crimes. Yeah, he never accepted clinical
Speaker 3: counseling or therapy during his four years at the state
Speaker 3: run detention center.
Speaker 4: Like he was basically a hit man that was paid
Speaker 4: by the people that he murdered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's pretty much what it was.
Speaker 3: So he's still eighteen, He gets set free, they give
Speaker 3: him a new name, he gets a plane ticket to
Speaker 3: Florida and a six figure trust fund from his dead
Speaker 3: parents' estate.
Speaker 4: Fucking insane, insane, It's like the plot of kangaroo Jack.
Speaker 1: They were gonna people that we're gonna kill him.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So he turns fourteen, he murders his entire family.
Speaker 3: Please no contest barely does any time, and inherits their
Speaker 3: will and trust.
Speaker 1: Fun that man, why wouldn't you do that? Imagine be like.
Speaker 3: What the funk wait? I get all this ship?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's insane. To give him a trophy too.
Speaker 3: For some reason, they bring out like one of those
Speaker 3: giant checks like they do on game shows.
Speaker 1: Here you go the prison. I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: you also won this brand new car.
Speaker 3: And McDonald's is doing the monopoly right now. Park places
Speaker 3: the hardest piece to get ahead.
Speaker 1: And give you this. People did like a go fund
Speaker 1: me mill.
Speaker 3: Can you say so we can.
Speaker 1: Get you go fund me? Like?
Speaker 4: He gets to do the cold cut combo commerce that
Speaker 4: had to go more.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So now back to November twenty ten, Back to Candy.
Speaker 3: So Candy, she doesn't know any of this. She just
Speaker 3: knows that she met a nice guy. He said his
Speaker 3: adoptive parents died in car crash. No, he fucking murdered that.
Speaker 3: They got a hold of her money. We talked about
Speaker 3: how bad his past was.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that you know it's probably bad because
Speaker 4: you fucking murdered those people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Candy was soon to find out that the man
Speaker 3: who swept her off her feet was actually a teen
Speaker 3: killer who murdered his mother, father, and younger brother. He
Speaker 3: also avoided adult prison and started a new life with
Speaker 3: his victims money. So Candy finds that out. I know
Speaker 3: that worries her a little bit. Yeah, I doesn't see too,
Speaker 3: Yeah should.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I gave you my potholes.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Lope, she starts pattern her asshole.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, another quote on Candy. And then Peter's mother,
Speaker 3: Candy Williams, said she met Colier. So anytime we mentioned
Speaker 3: Jove and.
Speaker 1: Colier or Peter's the same guy.
Speaker 3: She said she met him on Saint Petersburg Beach in
Speaker 3: the second half of two thousand and five, and a
Speaker 3: whirlwind romance ensued. She said that he was instantly likable,
Speaker 3: he knew just what to say, he was charming, he
Speaker 3: was slick, and within three months he moved in with
Speaker 3: her and at one point they planned to marry. All right,
Speaker 3: at first, she said that he told her he was
Speaker 3: divorced and that he had a son in Indiana, and
Speaker 3: he flew there several times. A visit him, but later
Speaker 3: she learned that he was still married and spent weekends
Speaker 3: trying to get back.
Speaker 1: With his wife.
Speaker 3: So that is fucking fun, dude. So this leads to
Speaker 3: a short breakoup. She liked, well that's I can't believe
Speaker 3: you're trying to get back with your wife in there. Like,
Speaker 3: so she still doesn't know about the other shit. They
Speaker 3: already break up before she knows.
Speaker 1: He murdered his family.
Speaker 4: How bad I feel for her when she eventually gets
Speaker 4: murdered is dropping.
Speaker 3: So this leads to a short breakup, but Canny said
Speaker 3: that he talked his way back into her good graces.
Speaker 1: I hope.
Speaker 3: He's like, who else is gonna who else is gonna
Speaker 3: fuck your house? Yeah, you were a signal before me, Canny,
Speaker 3: you want something to fuck your ass, you'll take me back.
Speaker 1: You know I'm the first one that's been in that ass, right.
Speaker 3: And then he's like, by the way, I also have
Speaker 3: a daughter. Fuck yeah, she's.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she's like any more lies. She's like, there
Speaker 1: is one more little thing. I did murder three people.
Speaker 3: He's like, I have a daughter. She's twenty one. I
Speaker 3: had her with a different woman in Wisconsin. So he's
Speaker 3: got two families.
Speaker 1: And two how old is he at this point?
Speaker 3: This was in twenty ten? Wasn't he born?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is in twenty ten? Okay, okay, where
Speaker 1: was that?
Speaker 3: According to Williams and him, he was also spending a
Speaker 3: fair amount of time in Atlanta with his birth mother,
Speaker 3: so he's also like flying to see her and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, give pretty old by that.
Speaker 3: He says that his mother first contacted him about five
Speaker 3: years before this, and DNA tests confirmed their relationship, so
Speaker 3: his mom reached out to him. His birth mother was like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, I think i'm your mom and all this stuff,
Speaker 3: and he says, quote, I figure she was looking for
Speaker 3: a kidney or the blocks had fallen out from under
Speaker 3: her trailer. Fuck yeah, dude, Like, don't give her ship,
Speaker 3: he said, explaining his expectations that she would be someone
Speaker 3: looking for some kind of handout, like your whole life
Speaker 3: is a fucking.
Speaker 1: Murdered people and got money from it.
Speaker 3: Instead, she turned out to be a successful Atlanta real
Speaker 3: estate agent. Like we said, she's married to a plastic surgeon.
Speaker 3: They're fucking doing yeah probably Like, oh, you work for
Speaker 3: your money, come.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 3: We had we had a nice reunion for thirty seven years.
Speaker 3: I didn't know where I came from except for what
Speaker 3: people told me, like, quote, your mother's a whore. You
Speaker 3: hear that as a kid, that sticks with you and
Speaker 3: you start to believe it, he said. He he said
Speaker 3: he assumed his mother knew his history because she hired
Speaker 3: a private detective to help find him. Fuck yeah, However,
Speaker 3: she didn't know about the murders.
Speaker 4: That is kind of crazy that the private detective didn't
Speaker 4: figure that part out.
Speaker 3: Well, we do mention that she does end up cutting
Speaker 3: all contact.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, by the way, I found out some more stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Hey, why isn't your mom talking anymore? Because she said
Speaker 3: you were a bit Kennedy. It was just Matt Dylan
Speaker 3: from fucking oh God. Uh hey, I have these damns. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't even know why I bought the damn. He
Speaker 3: just stops dragging him so you can fuck him when
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, I work with retard, so they keep
Speaker 3: him in the cage. She's just so good.
Speaker 1: That's the box.
Speaker 3: So he's talking now about Yeah, he says, they got
Speaker 3: along fabulously. He moved into her Atlanta home, So he
Speaker 3: moves in at his mom for a little bit. He
Speaker 3: moved into her home while he worked for a Noble
Speaker 3: investments group as a project supervisor, a job that landed
Speaker 3: him in Milwaukee on the Hyatt Regency Milwaukee hotel renovation
Speaker 3: for a while. In two thousand and eight, she introduced
Speaker 3: him to her country club friends into the rest of
Speaker 3: his family. At his grandmother's eightieth birthday celebration a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago. There were people who looked at me,
Speaker 3: he said, and it was really neat all. Right, So
Speaker 3: his mom is like, yeah, this is my real son.
Speaker 3: We reconnected. He meets his real family.
Speaker 1: And didn't kill them too. He probably thought he was
Speaker 1: gonna get money at that, Yeah, even more money. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's like, dude, this could be double every time. Well
Speaker 1: figures every time he made life insurance.
Speaker 5: Ye, what you got Imagine if he got away with
Speaker 5: it a second time. Yeah, ude killed thirteen people.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing is, and we'll get to it, is
Speaker 3: like he already didn't get in trouble for that, so
Speaker 3: everyone just finds out, Yeah, and nothing can happen to him.
Speaker 1: That's why he gave an interview.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, through a lawyer. His mother declined interview
Speaker 3: requests for this story, but in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 3: records show that she hired a private investigator to get
Speaker 3: records of his Wisconsin case. The Georgia investigator said the
Speaker 3: woman did not go looking for Colier, as he contended, Rather,
Speaker 3: he showed up on his mother's doorstep one day.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 3: She later developed suspicions about his claim background, the investigator said,
Speaker 3: and she ultimately learned the truth about him in two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight. So another fucking lot. Yeah, he went
Speaker 3: like he might have been looked for to killer. So
Speaker 3: he said, like, my mom hired an investigator to find
Speaker 3: me and all this stuff. She's like, no, he's showed
Speaker 3: up a my doorstep one day, So I hired an investigator.
Speaker 3: Find it always been up to.
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 4: Did he also hire his family lawyer and send those
Speaker 4: facts from fucking aromas, adopted step or whatever?
Speaker 3: So Coolera said he almost can understand why she abruptly
Speaker 3: ended contact with him when she learned what he had
Speaker 3: done as a boy. Yeah you think, yeah, But he
Speaker 3: said that it was unfair to his children that she
Speaker 3: stopped communicating with it though, I mean, he says his reason, well,
Speaker 3: they started to call her nana and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, about your kids.
Speaker 3: I then felt abandoned a second time. Yeah, you killed
Speaker 3: your family comes to night, all right. So back to
Speaker 3: his birth mother and how she stopped talking to him.
Speaker 3: She she wasn't really bad talking his girlfriend, like Peter
Speaker 3: had klaim.
Speaker 4: That's so funny that watch your mom trying to just
Speaker 4: make himself to hear like, man, I told that bitch
Speaker 4: to get out.
Speaker 1: My woman. Yeah. I actually sucker punched. You know.
Speaker 3: That's so brave, Peter. Yeah, I know anal tonight.
Speaker 4: She called you the bomb her so hard man, what
Speaker 4: she called you, I wrote it down so I wouldn't forget.
Speaker 1: He pulls out a little notebook.
Speaker 3: He opens up the bitch.
Speaker 1: Ten pages before. This is all about my own Yeah,
Speaker 1: like she's lunch.
Speaker 4: It's just one of those like cartoons where you flipped
Speaker 4: the paper in the.
Speaker 1: Family in the last frame was just a speech bubble.
Speaker 1: It's the hard R word.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so his mother didn't really call his girlfriend
Speaker 3: a bitch, but true she had uncovered the murders committed
Speaker 3: twenty five years earlier by a troubled fourteen year old
Speaker 3: boy named Peter Zimmer, which was Collier's real name.
Speaker 1: I forgot that was his name.
Speaker 3: His mother was oblivious to her birth son's pass up
Speaker 3: until that summer, but her family soon grew suspicious enough
Speaker 3: to hire a private investigator, Robin Martinelli.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, that's a cool name.
Speaker 4: So did the mom like suspect that he did it,
Speaker 4: or did like she suspect that he did it, like
Speaker 4: after he showed up.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because she did. Canny did say like
Speaker 3: she was she hung out with as much? Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I forget, Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 3: if she got suspicious her just her family did.
Speaker 1: But yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 3: So Robin Martinelli digs into his past. He said, quote,
Speaker 3: there's just something different about him. The birth mother's husband
Speaker 3: thought there needed to be some background checked out. Okay,
Speaker 3: so yeah, that's kind of hashag wall man, Like was
Speaker 3: it his dad or.
Speaker 1: All the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he smells like he has way too much a yeah,
Speaker 3: just sounds like yeah. So what he found out led
Speaker 3: for Colare's birth mother to, uh, they say, abandon her son.
Speaker 3: Once again, that's not abandoning, what are you talking about.
Speaker 3: In May nineteen eighty three, sheriff deputies from Mineral Point, Wisconsin,
Speaker 3: drove to the Zimmer home on an isolated country road
Speaker 3: to make a gruesome discovery. So now we're going to
Speaker 3: get into some of the details of this actual crime.
Speaker 3: On the back porch of the house, police found the father,
Speaker 3: Hans Zimmer, shot five times, so he was outside on
Speaker 3: the porch. They found his mom, Sally, stabbed to death
Speaker 3: and carried into a shed behind the house. Yeah, like,
Speaker 3: why did he and this is so fucking lame. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he placed a rosary on her body.
Speaker 4: Shut up, fucking oh man, I want to say the
Speaker 4: words so bad into the party.
Speaker 3: Bob Hill, who was one of the first sheriffs on
Speaker 3: the scene, said it was one of the worst murder
Speaker 3: scenes he'd ever witnessed. Quote the knife went through the
Speaker 3: thickest part of the skull above the ear and completely
Speaker 3: penetrated the skull.
Speaker 1: Jeez, dude.
Speaker 3: The ten year old boy, Perry, who had also been
Speaker 3: adopted by the Zimmers, was found murdered in the house.
Speaker 3: He had been stabbed more than twenty five times and
Speaker 3: he was covered in defensive wounds. So absolutely brutal, Like
Speaker 3: why do he move the.
Speaker 1: Mom like and then just leave? Like that's just stupid.
Speaker 3: It's like, this is so fucking brutal. There's no reason
Speaker 3: that he should be just tried as a kid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like you just think like twenty times, what like
Speaker 6: the chick and the kid or whatever, that's almost fifty
Speaker 6: fucking times. You're stabing the energy and like this to
Speaker 6: hate and like to do that, Like.
Speaker 4: Imagine being that family like in the afterlife, just like wait,
Speaker 4: he got our money too, Like I'd be so fucking yeah.
Speaker 3: They're like, there's like the dad's in heaven. He's like, God,
Speaker 3: damn it. Then he sees his wife show up a
Speaker 3: second later, and then the son. He's like, who could
Speaker 3: have done this?
Speaker 1: Perry? Yeah? Yeah? Or not Perry. I'm sorry. He was
Speaker 1: a little guy. Yeah, Peter.
Speaker 3: So Peter. They're like they're like who They're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: the three of the four family members are murdered. The
Speaker 3: fourth one we can't find, but there is a car missing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I think we know who did it. One car
Speaker 3: was gone, one member of the family was gone. He
Speaker 3: was nowhere to be found, and he immediately became the
Speaker 3: suspect we were looking for. Peter was quickly found and
Speaker 3: pleaded no contest to the killings and served just over
Speaker 3: a year for each murder because of his age. So
Speaker 3: but records show that although Peter a few psychiatric health
Speaker 3: he did decide to get rich. So, while serving time
Speaker 3: for his family's murders, he declared his plan to claim
Speaker 3: his family as a state the soul surviving air like.
Speaker 1: That's not how I say.
Speaker 4: It's like like I hate that. He was right and
Speaker 4: it worked, Like that's fucked up. So the law, who
Speaker 4: else is gonna do it?
Speaker 1: That's true?
Speaker 5: That is true, not him than who.
Speaker 3: The law fell in his favor, and in nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: seven he walked out of the school task of reforming
Speaker 3: juvenile offenders as a freeman of the clean record, a
Speaker 3: trust fund, and a new name. During his time at
Speaker 3: ethan Allen, he apparently had nightmares about the killings and
Speaker 3: would wake up screaming and crying.
Speaker 1: I don't know good he didn't see you, bothered by it,
Speaker 1: his tears with the fucking cash he got.
Speaker 3: Colei Aer struck up a friendship with a nineteen year
Speaker 3: old counseling volunteer, Belinda. Oh, she's nineteen. I don't know
Speaker 3: how old he is at this point, but she said
Speaker 3: that she was not discouraged about his past and said
Speaker 3: he was charming and I was just like his princess.
Speaker 1: That didn't sound all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't think about it too much and talking
Speaker 3: about his crimes. I mean, I concentrated on who he
Speaker 3: was now, and I believe in second chances.
Speaker 1: I concentrated on the fucking zero's in that bake account. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: oh much money. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So at some point, yeah, I don't know how old
Speaker 3: he is. I don't know how old she is, but
Speaker 3: he was in there at fourteen and she's nineteen and
Speaker 3: she's a volunteer. So at some point they start dating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good for him.
Speaker 3: So she's like, I believe in second chances. You know,
Speaker 3: he murdered his whole family. I don't like to think
Speaker 3: about what he did.
Speaker 1: Did you see the money he got them? Yeah, never
Speaker 1: proved that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the couple start dating once he's released. So I
Speaker 3: don't know, something had to I mean, if.
Speaker 1: They were, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they have the daughter, Nicole together, so he
Speaker 3: gets her pregnant. She didn't know about her father's dark
Speaker 3: past because well, he wouldn't bring it up, and Blenda
Speaker 3: didn't really seem like she wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 3: So the couple married, and Missouri court record show. His
Speaker 3: wife also won a default divorce judgment in nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 3: so she divorces him and wins. How much money did
Speaker 3: she get to this?
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's so funny.
Speaker 3: His daughter Nicole, when she was twenty two, said, it's
Speaker 3: not something that I ever was prepared for. So after
Speaker 3: all this comes out, she learns about his past. When
Speaker 3: I found out about his past, I wasn't sure at
Speaker 3: all how to feel. I wasn't sure if I should
Speaker 3: be mad at him or scared of him. I had
Speaker 3: no idea how I should be with him. Having not
Speaker 3: spoken to his daughter Nicole for six years, Collier was
Speaker 3: rebuilding a relationship with her around the time he started
Speaker 3: dating Miss Williams. So he just like because him and
Speaker 3: his wife have divorced, so he just like leaves and
Speaker 3: starts a new family somewhere else. So then he comes
Speaker 3: back to try to start a relationship with her and
Speaker 3: she doesn't know about his past. Still, Nicole said, it
Speaker 3: was very neat to see that. I mean, my dad
Speaker 3: was getting his life back on track. He was settling
Speaker 3: down and hopefully for good. Unaware of his past. Miss
Speaker 3: Williams and Collier's relationship lasted four years and continued until
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, when miss Williams found Collier's profile
Speaker 3: a lot of ra seed dating website. I love how
Speaker 3: that is kind of what fucking.
Speaker 1: Leads to this ship?
Speaker 3: Yeah, insane, Candy says, I made him move out. He
Speaker 3: moved out, and I called it off because remember they
Speaker 3: were planning to get married. As soon as she ended
Speaker 3: the relationship, he started and none dating her with hundreds
Speaker 3: of emails.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Nice Yeah, just like Bruce Almighty when he's trying to.
Speaker 1: Drinking the coffee.
Speaker 3: Initially, the emails were loving, if not obsessive, saying things
Speaker 3: like you the love of my life.
Speaker 1: You are the love of my life.
Speaker 3: He probably watched mad TV. You are, he says, you
Speaker 3: are the love of my life and I've been so
Speaker 3: happy to have found you. Please see how this is
Speaker 3: really a big misunderstanding. This is about her finding is Yeah,
Speaker 3: web is the profile and someone keyboard he was the
Speaker 3: love of my life. What about the two people you married?
Speaker 3: We've only been together a couple of months.
Speaker 1: Dogs.
Speaker 3: He claims the notes were harmless, but the love notes
Speaker 3: soon turned sinister. He would say things like I hope
Speaker 3: your world caves in before I read them after I
Speaker 3: put this. Dude is such a fucking weep. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: these notes are so lame. They're not clever or bad ass,
Speaker 3: are not like scary or cool.
Speaker 1: They're just so lame.
Speaker 3: He's literally a f This is like the dweebiest ship
Speaker 3: ever get in the box. So he says, I hope
Speaker 3: your world caves in. I hope all your pets die.
Speaker 3: It's not even like it's not even specific, like I
Speaker 3: hope your dog gets run over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope all your pets die. I hope you
Speaker 4: stub your toe this morning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty things that Wayne thinks about his cowork for real.
Speaker 3: I hope the house falls down while you're.
Speaker 1: In it, Dude, I'm stuck in your tis.
Speaker 3: It is funny you mentioned Wayne because this is a Wayne.
Speaker 3: I hope you get into a physically altering car crash.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 3: Because Mariland Wayne said you ever got into a fight.
Speaker 3: He didn't just want to win. He wants to disfigure them.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's fucked.
Speaker 1: Up, Wayne. Yeah, who's Wayne gonna beata?
Speaker 3: I hope your house falls down, but I hope you're inside.
Speaker 3: I definitely hope you're not outside, don't you fucking be
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 5: He said he wanted to light his work on fire
Speaker 5: and watched their faces melt.
Speaker 3: Wayne, Wow, Wayne fucking Ozmadis bose A the healer these,
Speaker 3: the workhorse, the one that put them all together.
Speaker 4: It's so good. Like, Oh did you though? Because I
Speaker 4: saw you run away that last battle?
Speaker 1: So candy.
Speaker 3: She finally takes out a restraining order against him after
Speaker 3: he threatened her with a knife in public. Yeah, you're
Speaker 3: the love of my life. Please take me back. She
Speaker 3: had also received packages in the mail at homeland.
Speaker 1: At work, he.
Speaker 3: Would send her flowers, sex toys, okay hash a dead piglet,
Speaker 3: hashtag water and then it says, among other things, okay,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna mention sex toys and a dead piglet,
Speaker 3: we deserve you know, for.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but for some reason, mister Deed's
Speaker 1: on DVD. I don't know why.
Speaker 3: But one of those things you wear that catches your
Speaker 3: beard hair, would you like tooth thrust?
Speaker 5: It's like one of those subscription boxes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a dead pig animal shirt.
Speaker 3: Luke was Luke, I've heard. Yeah, I don't know any
Speaker 3: other subscription.
Speaker 4: For some reason, one of the hats that does like
Speaker 4: the clap Hell, yeah did I used to get Luke
Speaker 4: Crates back in the day when they're.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were.
Speaker 3: Right, So this is absolutely unhinged.
Speaker 1: Hinge was that the dating listen to what he does.
Speaker 3: This is like you should be in a lot of
Speaker 3: trouble for this, According to the charges, he would. He
Speaker 3: then created profiles on online sex sites using her name
Speaker 3: and real address wow, and posed as her in online
Speaker 3: chats with men. Yes, he's trying to get her murdered
Speaker 3: or raped because like in cases like that, people will
Speaker 3: like take on like their like persona. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: want you to have a rape fantasy. Was come in
Speaker 3: and rape me? Yeah, they're you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like that's done.
Speaker 4: It would still be bad if they did. But like,
Speaker 4: poor guy, if somebody actually did go do that, dude,
Speaker 4: Like I mean, that'd be stupid, but like it would
Speaker 4: like you're just getting in prison for for.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's insane. That's absolutely wild and dangerous. She said,
Speaker 3: I would sleep to maybe three hours a night. I
Speaker 3: would just sit on the couch and just stare at
Speaker 3: the doors and windows, like just afraid someone's gonna show. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just thought if anyone's going to know if this
Speaker 3: is true. Oh no, I'm sorry. Canny only found out
Speaker 3: about Collier's murderous past when she received an email saying
Speaker 3: that her ex boyfriend, who she now feared, had hanged
Speaker 3: himself in an Orlando hotel.
Speaker 1: We didn't he didn't he give an interview though he
Speaker 1: didn't do that.
Speaker 3: He emailed her and said as someone else, like, hey,
Speaker 3: I heard your.
Speaker 1: Boyfriend hanged was like, finally I was really hoping he did.
Speaker 1: So she's like what the fuck?
Speaker 3: She's like, I thought, if anyone's gonna know if this
Speaker 3: is true or not, his birth mother will know. So
Speaker 3: I called and I called her and his stepdad answered
Speaker 3: the phone, and he's like, so, okay, this is kind
Speaker 3: of confusing. At this point, Candy like she's dating him,
Speaker 3: and she puts out a restraining owner against them, and
Speaker 3: all these emails and everything. She still doesn't know about
Speaker 3: the murders at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So she's like, well, if he really did hang himself,
Speaker 3: his his birth mother would know. So she calls her
Speaker 3: house and the step dad answers, and he's like, well,
Speaker 3: you know about the murders, don't you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: She's like, I have no idea. Yeah, what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: You'd imagine already being afraid of him, and that's the
Speaker 4: first thing you hear.
Speaker 1: She's like, god damn it.
Speaker 3: She's like he's been stalking me and like sending me
Speaker 3: all these threats and stuff. I heard he hanged himself.
Speaker 3: Is that true?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: But you know about the murder, she's she's like all
Speaker 3: the blood like left her head.
Speaker 1: She was like what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, so this is insane. So that's when things
Speaker 3: start getting out, like about like who he really is,
Speaker 3: and now he blames her for it.
Speaker 4: Hasha, this guy plays the victim like yeah, so fucking
Speaker 4: good dude, And now.
Speaker 3: He's like what the fuck he became? He became like
Speaker 3: so enraged, and he aimed her for exposing his secret past.
Speaker 4: Do you know what's funny? Is like he's like, how
Speaker 4: dare you like like show them who I really am.
Speaker 4: It's like, dude, you're telling fucking people that I want
Speaker 4: to be raped? How did you tell people that I
Speaker 4: murdered my entire fan?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that they don't need to know that, why
Speaker 3: you Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so heed me.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm going to send this email like trying
Speaker 4: to get you rape first, and then I'm sending that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got me, and I got rape emails to
Speaker 3: send your Yeah, your next bitch.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he then started sending her more letters because of this.
Speaker 3: He says, quote, what comes around goes around, So just
Speaker 3: remember that.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 3: Get He says, you took my life from me, and
Speaker 3: I am very lost and angry at you for that.
Speaker 1: Like a six year old kid that ship. I'm madly
Speaker 1: an angle with you. I'm mad at you.
Speaker 3: I'm so mad at you, he says. I am here
Speaker 3: in Saint Pete and I hope the hell I run
Speaker 3: into you.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, dude, you're so stinky.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, he says, you mess me over and
Speaker 3: I will pay you back, your rep your job, all
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: She didn't do anything. Yeah, dude, what did she do?
Speaker 1: You did it all.
Speaker 3: You murdered your family and she accidentally found out what
Speaker 3: the hell did she do? So dad, So he gets
Speaker 3: charged with felony stalking and arrested in Georgia. In October.
Speaker 3: He was sentenced to three and a half years in
Speaker 3: a Florida state prison, almost as much as got his
Speaker 3: entire Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like, so he's been in prison for murder and then
Speaker 4: for this and it's still less intentenious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he gets jail time for three and a
Speaker 3: half years. I like, nothing against Candy, you know, she's
Speaker 3: a victim in all this. But they're like, Okay, you
Speaker 3: should probably relocate, find somewhere else to live. She goes,
Speaker 3: I like where I live?
Speaker 1: I mean, like I get it. But he's like, he'll find.
Speaker 3: Me anywhere I go. Anyway, I'm just gonna stay here.
Speaker 1: Buy a fucking machine gun.
Speaker 3: She said.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 3: All I ever wanted was for him to leave me alone.
Speaker 3: If he had, none of this would have ever come out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. True. Yeah, let's see here.
Speaker 4: Like hopefully like she booby trip booby trapped her house,
Speaker 4: like fucking home alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's another part where was I did? Colier had
Speaker 3: met his second wife, Leah at a company picnic, So
Speaker 3: this is about because he's been married twice. His second wife, Leah,
Speaker 3: he met at a company picnic while they both worked
Speaker 3: in a newspaper print plants, and they moved to her
Speaker 3: home state of Indiana. They married in ninety four and
Speaker 3: had a son. Their divorce was finalized in December of
Speaker 3: two thousand and five. Uh, Nick cho chose, that's a
Speaker 3: fucking sweet name, who knew Collier in his wife in
Speaker 3: Indiana for about ten years, said he hired him as
Speaker 3: a subcontractor a few times. He said when he heard
Speaker 3: Collier's real story and called him and asked, he said, hey,
Speaker 3: you know you're on the news in Tampa Bay right,
Speaker 3: And his response was, huh, how about that? That's something,
Speaker 3: isn't it?
Speaker 1: Fuck?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Choe Chose. That dude is like, what the fuck? Yes,
Speaker 3: so that was a friend of his, of his second
Speaker 3: like his second wife's friend.
Speaker 1: Whatever. Yeah, and he calls him up.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, they're saying you murdered some like your
Speaker 3: whole family, like in the past and everything. Yeah, how
Speaker 3: about that? That's something? Is how about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I ever enjoyed every second.
Speaker 1: Didn't know how much money I got rich?
Speaker 5: Fu?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Choe Chose. He said, there's no apology, no explanation,
Speaker 3: no remorse. That's literally he just said, how about that?
Speaker 3: That's something?
Speaker 1: Main't it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: When is uh? When Nick Chose's wife was later asked
Speaker 3: or later asked him why he killed his family, he
Speaker 3: apparently told her he said, my dad used to beat me,
Speaker 3: and my mother didn't protect him, didn't protect me, and
Speaker 3: I was jealous of my brother because my parents considered
Speaker 3: him the perfect son.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well look you leave the house and don't murder everybody, alrighty,
Speaker 4: So yeah, insane.
Speaker 3: So to wrap up kind of what happened, he murdered
Speaker 3: his family, He gets out after like four years, gets
Speaker 3: a whole new life, money, all this stuff. In two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine, after a tumultuous relationship, his violent pass
Speaker 3: was uncovered by a woman he was dating, leading to
Speaker 3: a cycle of him harassing her and stalking her. He
Speaker 3: was then arrested again in twenty ten for aggravated stalking,
Speaker 3: and he later pleaded guilty, receiving a sentence of three
Speaker 3: and a half years in a Florida state prison. On
Speaker 3: this case sparked public outrage, and it led to the charges,
Speaker 3: or led to the changes in the Wisconsin laws because
Speaker 3: everyone's like, once they found out about it, like wait,
Speaker 3: how the fuck did he only do four years and
Speaker 3: how did he get the entire family's money? All right,
Speaker 3: So the interviews that we have, he didn't do any
Speaker 3: until after he was arrested for stalking. So he like
Speaker 3: everyone already knows anything everything that happened now, and he
Speaker 3: doesn't want to talk about it unless he gets paid money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so from the Journal Sentinel.
Speaker 3: Collier never talked publicly about his past until a March
Speaker 3: interview with a Journal Sentinel reporter and a floor to
Speaker 3: jail where he's charged with filling his stalking and held
Speaker 3: on a five hundred thousand dollars bail. He offered only
Speaker 3: a glimpse of his life as Peter Zimmer. He recalled
Speaker 3: childhood visits to Germany, where his father was born and
Speaker 3: where he never saw any resemblance between himself and relatives.
Speaker 3: He noticed other things that made him wonder, and when
Speaker 3: he was about twelve, an aunt, Oh it was an
Speaker 3: ant fuck, and aunt slipped and mentioned he was adopted.
Speaker 3: He said, he asked questions and his parents confirmed it.
Speaker 3: I mean they're fucking they adopt, like they pretty much
Speaker 3: fucking saved you and gave you another shot at life.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And then he said relatives continually told him bad things
Speaker 3: about his birth mother and warned him never to try
Speaker 3: to look for I feel like that family was trying
Speaker 3: to make a funny Joe, oh yeah, to trash, don't
Speaker 3: look for and they probably laughed about it.
Speaker 1: What's he gonna do? Nothing?
Speaker 3: He felt like the family treated him like Cinderella.
Speaker 1: Fu.
Speaker 4: Yeah, god, man, get off, Like all he does is
Speaker 4: play the victim.
Speaker 3: Harty Sammy hart he called his father quote someone who
Speaker 3: puts on a nice, humble persona to the public behind
Speaker 3: closed doors. In my face, it was not pretty, all right,
Speaker 3: No one believes that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He said he kept a diary at Ethan Allen and
Speaker 3: he'd been writing more in jail to understand himself better.
Speaker 3: He would talk about the murders, but said he still
Speaker 3: cries over them.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a chick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fu dude, I mean this dude's not He's been
Speaker 3: out of jail for like since he only did like
Speaker 3: three years. I don't know, he's been out for thirteen years. Wow, dude,
Speaker 3: He says, yeah, he doesn't talk about the murders, but
Speaker 3: he still cries over them. Quote. I've seen the same
Speaker 3: picture for twenty seven years. Time doesn't change it. It's sad.
Speaker 3: It hurts my heart.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could have just not done it.
Speaker 3: Probably didn't hurt as much as the fucking bullets.
Speaker 1: And fucking like yeah, stabbing people.
Speaker 3: During most of the two hour conversation, though, he tried
Speaker 3: to appear upbeat, like a smooth salesman, talking up travels,
Speaker 3: high paying jobs, his children, his biological roots. I've got
Speaker 3: good blood, he said. He clearly seemed proud of making
Speaker 3: what he did of his life on his own.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think the fucking money probably helped. He's like, I
Speaker 4: got good blood. And they're like, oh, you're talking about
Speaker 4: like your parents. And he's like, oh, I kept the
Speaker 4: blood from those people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Actually, Dexter copied me, I want I am planning on
Speaker 3: getting paid for that.
Speaker 1: I better get some money out of.
Speaker 3: But he said he's saving.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: He says, yeah, he's clearly proud of making what he
Speaker 3: did of his life on his own. But he said
Speaker 3: he's saving most details to help them market his story.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you everything.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 3: He's working on a memoir. No one wants to read it, dude. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's been in discussion with publishers and a TV production company.
Speaker 3: He also talked of plans for an agency or organization
Speaker 3: to work with adoptive children and their families. No, shut up, Yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: it's a serious subject, he said. It's not me cashing in.
Speaker 3: He initially wanted two hundred thousand dollars for the interview.
Speaker 1: Fucking dude.
Speaker 3: He eventually talked about Bayment, like, yeah, we're not going
Speaker 3: to pay you give, but he couldn't completely hide his
Speaker 3: anger that his new persona had been tainted with the
Speaker 3: full truth of his life. Oh you're good, dude. He thinks.
Speaker 3: He thinks relatives of his adoptive family are responsible for
Speaker 3: outing him. They had the resources to keep track from
Speaker 3: all these years. He said, they were committed to ruining
Speaker 3: my life at some point. Dude, if you need anyone,
Speaker 3: how do you blame people for finding out that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I like how like he is almost acting like
Speaker 1: they've made him murder too, Like I wouldn't have done.
Speaker 3: It his uncle or no. Tom sokell whose aunts adopted Collier,
Speaker 3: he denied that theory. He says, we're not bothering them,
Speaker 3: He's not bothering us. We had nothing to do with him.
Speaker 3: We just wanted him to go on and have.
Speaker 1: A successful life.
Speaker 3: Kenny Williams dated Collier in Florida for more than three years.
Speaker 1: She loved him for his.
Speaker 3: Good qualities, but broke up because he cheated on her
Speaker 3: and then endured events that led to his stalking charges. Today,
Speaker 3: she only shakes her head of his claims. He's a
Speaker 3: compulsive liar. He has no remorse. Everything is all about him. Yep, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's pretty much the end of this. Who knows what
Speaker 3: he's doing now he's been out for fucking yeah, like
Speaker 3: we said for he only did three more years in
Speaker 3: twenty ten.
Speaker 4: And like who knows that if they hadn't arrested him,
Speaker 4: he probably would have murdered too.
Speaker 3: So like he was trying to he if you're posting
Speaker 3: her like real name and address, pretending to be here
Speaker 3: on the adult site like insane, the best people were
Speaker 3: showing up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the best case scenario out of that is she's
Speaker 4: only raped.
Speaker 3: Like that's the fucking part, Like that's it's sad. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: all right that is our case. That was that's a
Speaker 3: wild one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate this guy along. Yeah, Like there was
Speaker 1: like even like the very like little bit of.
Speaker 4: Has has uh Jesus Canton can't talk hashtag wild man
Speaker 4: was like like basically like stuff that.
Speaker 1: He even like do on purpose. Yeah he ag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, him saying the super I hope, I hope you're here.
Speaker 7: Falls sinking he knows just your GP like like dude.
Speaker 1: Or something.
Speaker 3: Anything you guys want to mention before we shut her
Speaker 3: down and get onto the Patreon.
Speaker 1: Definitely crazy one. I never heard of it. Yeah, me either.
Speaker 5: What was the search keyword that led you to find
Speaker 5: that one?
Speaker 1: No, I haven't done that a lot.
Speaker 4: Maybe i'll do that NeXT's ever going to beaton?
Speaker 1: Where did this take place at? Oh, the Nickelodeon Lounge.
Speaker 1: There's probably some stories from Nickelodeon.
Speaker 4: I didn't think I caught that one though, because I
Speaker 4: was like, that's too obvious, and I was like waiting
Speaker 4: for other ones.
Speaker 3: If you hear like Ponderosa or like best Buy.
Speaker 4: Was so obvious because you're like you were like silent
Speaker 4: for a second, like the.
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