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<v Speaker 1>Gets me ready for the day at all day info

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<v Speaker 1>and check in throughout the day. Fifty five krs the

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<v Speaker 1>talk station eight oh five. If you're a fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>happy to welcome to the fifty five Carceee Morning. So

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<v Speaker 1>you can find her online. Left in four judge dot

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<v Speaker 1>com right there in the Republican Party recommended vote list,

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<v Speaker 1>endorsed by the Republican Party. And taking great comfort I

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<v Speaker 1>am in the fact that she's also been endorsed by

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<v Speaker 1>the Cincinnati Fraternal Order of Police. Tough on crime running

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<v Speaker 1>for Hamilton County Court of Appeals Judge first District, Stacey

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<v Speaker 1>left and welcome to the morning show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Brian, good morning. I'm happy to be on

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<v Speaker 2>the show this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a pleasure having you on, and I really

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<v Speaker 1>hope that you get elected. We need some folks that

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<v Speaker 1>are tough on crime. You are demonstrably so let me

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<v Speaker 1>just point out to my listeners. I love this. I

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<v Speaker 1>hate hate child abuse. I think that's probably the most

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<v Speaker 1>horrific crime that can be committed, is abusing an innocent child.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually is very trusting of some adult. You deal with

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<v Speaker 1>that all the time. You received the Outstanding Service Award

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<v Speaker 1>from the Cincinna Children's Hospital Mayorson Center in honor of

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<v Speaker 1>Child Abuse Awareness Month. And also and I love this

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<v Speaker 1>award apparently from the Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office, the kick

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<v Speaker 1>Ass Prosecutor of the Year twenty twenty three award as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Well done there in terms of what looking out for children.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I got those awards last year because myself

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<v Speaker 2>and my co counsel Ernest Lee and Rich Schneider and

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<v Speaker 2>had a case involving John and Kate Snyder, who are

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<v Speaker 2>a couple from Springfield Township who adopted six children from China.

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<v Speaker 2>They abused all their children. They even had a biological child.

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<v Speaker 2>They had three biological children, two and one of them

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<v Speaker 2>they abused as well. And of the six kids from China,

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<v Speaker 2>one diet of natural causes the first, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of them they abused, and one of them they

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<v Speaker 2>actually killed. So last year, actually at this very time

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<v Speaker 2>last year, we were in a we were in this trial.

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<v Speaker 2>It lasted six weeks. We got a conviction which was terrific,

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<v Speaker 2>and now Kate Snyder's doing thirty one years to life

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<v Speaker 2>and John Snyder's doing twenty nine years to life for

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<v Speaker 2>killing their son Adam and of using their other children.

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<v Speaker 2>And because of our work with Children's Hospital and this case,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why we got those awards. I got those wars

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<v Speaker 2>last year and I'm very proud of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would be too, I mean, demonstrably tough on crime.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently you're in front of a judge that at

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<v Speaker 1>least had the wherewithal of sentence into some serious time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we were very thankful for that. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>hard fought battle. These people fought us tooth and nail.

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<v Speaker 2>At one point, the couple even tried to sue the

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<v Speaker 2>coroner's office to get the cause of death changed because

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to they wanted to say Children's Hospital was

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<v Speaker 2>at fault. It was a long heart Hollard fought battle. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>To my listeners, you might not understand the distinction. As

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<v Speaker 1>a common please judge versus working in the appellate level,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to be dealing with both criminal and civil matters. Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, criminal civil. I will handle cases from municipal court,

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<v Speaker 2>common police court, the domestic relations court and juvenile court.

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<v Speaker 2>You here, it's a reviewing court, so anything any hearing

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<v Speaker 2>that goes on in any of those courts. If someone

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<v Speaker 2>wants to appeal it, it goes to our Court of Appeals.

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<v Speaker 1>And why do you view the role of judge. I

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<v Speaker 1>know we have activist judges, which I am not a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of, and we have more traditionalist judges who review

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<v Speaker 1>the facts and the case law and judge things accordingly

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<v Speaker 1>based upon the law. They do not rewrite laws. If

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<v Speaker 1>there are flaws or constitutional issues in connection with the law,

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<v Speaker 1>it's identified and it's basically referred back to the legislative

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<v Speaker 1>brands to do the fixing. That's the way things are

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to work, at least in my mind. What's your perception.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the reason why I am personally running

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<v Speaker 2>for judge is we've had all these jug budges who

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<v Speaker 2>go about they want to change the law. I am

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<v Speaker 2>going to follow the law. I'm going to follow the

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<v Speaker 2>constitution of the State of Ohio and the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't want You know, the reason why I

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<v Speaker 2>go off to our Court of Appeals and be reversed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and I didn't want to see that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, Oh no, no, no, I was just going

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<v Speaker 1>to say, I mean, what possible grounds could it have

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<v Speaker 1>been reversed if you didn't have an appropriate makeup on

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<v Speaker 1>the appellate court?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, prior to my trial going forward last year, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a trial murder case that went through that one

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<v Speaker 2>of the judges up in common and please just decided

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<v Speaker 2>to reverse it because he decided the jurors didn't make

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<v Speaker 2>the right decision. And I don't know how he can

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<v Speaker 2>make that determination. He didn't see the witnesses testify, right,

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't get to go to the scene like the

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<v Speaker 2>jurors got to do. He didn't get to hold the

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<v Speaker 2>evidence in his hand. He didn't hear the tone of

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<v Speaker 2>the voices of the witnesses who were testifying. Was a

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<v Speaker 2>one dimensional item, was a transcript. I know myself and

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<v Speaker 2>the job that I do as a prosecutor, which I've

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<v Speaker 2>been doing for almost twenty years now. You know, we

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<v Speaker 2>get interviews all the time and we get them transcribed,

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<v Speaker 2>and reading the transcript is a lot quicker than listening

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<v Speaker 2>to them. But listening to them, you seem body language,

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<v Speaker 2>you see the tone in their voice, and that goes

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<v Speaker 2>to their credibility. And if you don't watch those items,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you just go from a one dimensional transcript,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you can determine that twelve people

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<v Speaker 2>that witnessed all these people testify made the wrong decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you have to have respect for the jurors. That's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what they're there for. You know, I was only

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal Well, yeah, criminal trial. Guy pressed charges against guy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was basically he said, she said kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But it came down to witness credibility. The guy that

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<v Speaker 1>and after hearing him speak and what his recitation and

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<v Speaker 1>events were, and then hearing from the other guy, it

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<v Speaker 1>was obvious who was lying. We all walked into the

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<v Speaker 1>jury room. I said, is there anybody who here who

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have reasonable doubt? And everybody looked at me and

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<v Speaker 1>said nope. I said, we're done. We deliberated like a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's what the jury does, and how a

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<v Speaker 1>judge could overrule that and without seeing the witnesses or

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<v Speaker 1>hearing them is beyond me. But isn't there a legal

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<v Speaker 1>standard for the review of evidence on an appellate level?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there is, but they also, you know, we have

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<v Speaker 2>activists judges upstairs, and if they're they're kind of I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say, when I first started working down here

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and one, I worked for a judge

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<v Speaker 2>and when the prosecutors came in the room, they were

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<v Speaker 2>well respected by the court. We are not well respected

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<v Speaker 2>by the court anymore. We walk into the court room

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<v Speaker 2>and they are automatically think we've done something wrong. We

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<v Speaker 2>haven't provided something without even knowing, and so we go

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<v Speaker 2>up when our cases go upstairs, it's all we already

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<v Speaker 2>have a mark against us before they even read anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of those judges haven't been trial courts,

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<v Speaker 2>shootors or attorneys. They've just been like one was a

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<v Speaker 2>clerk over or a law clerk for one of the judges.

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<v Speaker 2>They haven't tried cases. They haven't heard cases actually being tried.

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<v Speaker 2>They just hear argument. So they have a different perspective

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<v Speaker 2>than someone like myself who's spent twenty years in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Over twenty years in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, we seem to have a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>going on with the prosecutor's race right now here in

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<v Speaker 1>Hamilton County. Allow me to interject Melissa Powers for Hamilton

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<v Speaker 1>County Prosecute. We need to keep her in that role

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<v Speaker 1>because she's tough on crime as well. Well, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess for those so many people just maybe either don't

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<v Speaker 1>vote down ballot or they'll simply vote party ticket. And

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<v Speaker 1>in connection with someone who's literally never tried a case

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<v Speaker 1>or done nothing beyond being legal a law clerk for

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<v Speaker 1>someone else, how that person could get elected is really

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<v Speaker 1>to me, having practiced law and been in courtrooms for

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen years, you know that's really important. I could never

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<v Speaker 1>cast a vote for someone with that little experience, especially

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<v Speaker 1>on an appellate level. That's the problem with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the endorsement in us being in Hamilton County blue. If

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<v Speaker 1>if she's on or he is on the blue ticket,

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<v Speaker 1>someone will just vote because of that and nothing else.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. We actually, I've been spending some time down at

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<v Speaker 2>the Board of Elections at the polls. You know, now

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<v Speaker 2>that early voting has started, people just I stand there.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that there are a lot more people

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<v Speaker 2>coming over and wanting the pink sheet, which is fabulous

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm thankful for that, but you're right, people do

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<v Speaker 2>just go get the blue sheet and they vote straight

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<v Speaker 2>down that ticket and they don't know who they're voting for.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you need to ask people who are in

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<v Speaker 2>the court system, not not like someone handing out a

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<v Speaker 2>blue sheet. Call it. If you know people who practice

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<v Speaker 2>law in the court system, ask them, get their recommendations.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll know who to vote for.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very important. I mean, well, right, it may be

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<v Speaker 1>a little problematic. I know how little people care about

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<v Speaker 1>politics generally speaking, and then to dive into an area

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<v Speaker 1>experience ever, the judicial system. You know, getting folks to

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<v Speaker 1>ask questions on these down ballot rates can be problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>But you do you are on the pink slip. You

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<v Speaker 1>are endorsed by the Republican Party, and I know for

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<v Speaker 1>my listeners that probably will be enough. But I will

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<v Speaker 1>encourage folks to go to lefton for Judge dot com

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<v Speaker 1>and check out your credentials as well, I mean, really

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<v Speaker 1>a great background, qualified to do the job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And on my website left and for Judge dot

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<v Speaker 2>Com there are I linked some of my cases that

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<v Speaker 2>I've had in the past. Yeah, I had you talked

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<v Speaker 2>about my Snyder case. There was also I had a

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<v Speaker 2>case last year as well. A man named Diland Hurt,

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<v Speaker 2>who was a known killer. He had killed a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people. They hadn't been able to have enough evidence

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<v Speaker 2>to go forward on him. Last year we were able

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<v Speaker 2>to try him and he is as he's doing life

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<v Speaker 2>without the possibility of parole now because of his killing

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<v Speaker 2>of one person and attempted murder on two others. Actually

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<v Speaker 2>one of the other people. He's paralyzed for life. And

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<v Speaker 2>that case was crazy. We tried. It was a little

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<v Speaker 2>smuggled in through pants because he peede himself during trial

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<v Speaker 2>and his family brought pants in and there were drugs

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<v Speaker 2>stown into it. I mean, the things that I have

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<v Speaker 2>seen in the past year, and the hard fought battles

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<v Speaker 2>I had last year with these really bad people is

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<v Speaker 2>what drove me to decide to run for offit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm glad you are running, and I'm glad to

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<v Speaker 1>have you on the program, and I will strongly encourage

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<v Speaker 1>my listeners do some research. I mean, as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I'm concerned, go ahead and trust to think slip as

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<v Speaker 1>I have just got done saying people will just trust

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<v Speaker 1>the blue slip and vote for the Democrat. You are

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<v Speaker 1>voting for someone who is undoubtedly woke and someone who

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to be tough on crime if you

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<v Speaker 1>do that. If you want traditional judge, you want someone

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<v Speaker 1>who understands the practice. You want someone who is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to rewrite laws or do something crazy

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<v Speaker 1>like dismiss Jersey. Evaluation of the evidence and witness testimony.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you're in the right hands with a states

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<v Speaker 1>left in here. Can I just point out one more

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<v Speaker 1>thing about your background, because it took me way back.

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<v Speaker 1>Your family owned Provident Camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, my family and Provident Camera. That was my first job,

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<v Speaker 2>was working. I used to go down on Saturday mornings

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<v Speaker 2>with my dad and I would help out in the store,

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<v Speaker 2>and for my work, I would get twenty dollars for

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<v Speaker 2>the day, which I thought was very exciting when I

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I used I'd love going in there. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the best camera store around forever. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just weird to see with digital photography the way

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<v Speaker 1>things have changed. I'm sorry to take you down that road,

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<v Speaker 1>but I had a little wisp of nostalgia when I

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<v Speaker 1>stare longingly at you know, telephoto lenses and auto winder

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<v Speaker 1>stuff I could never have afforded, but it was always

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<v Speaker 1>right there. It was drool candy for me when I

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<v Speaker 1>as a young man. Anyway, Stacy left in vote for

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<v Speaker 1>one for judge dot Com. I wish you all the

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<v Speaker 1>best as we fast approach the election.

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<v Speaker 2>Stacy, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been my distinct pleasure. And Hardy one you do

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<v Speaker 1>the same, and that wonderful weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Petersbrier Kes Kellerwiams seven Hill is the greatest real estate

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<v Speaker 1>team around. Really since I's number one real estate team.

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<v Speaker 1>They give you a five star experience. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have a real estate agent, whether it's a

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<v Speaker 1>buyer agent or sellers agent, that brings true value. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that earns the commission that you'll work with them

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<v Speaker 1>over there's new commission laws that can talk all about

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<v Speaker 1>it and it will injure to your benefit. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to benefit you because it's going to sift

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<v Speaker 1>the week from the chaff and you get the wheat.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're dealing with the Sabree group of Keller Williams

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<v Speaker 1>Seven Hills, they have all kinds of ways to help

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<v Speaker 1>you out, the knowledge and experience that only the finest

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<v Speaker 1>real estate agents have, and the programs that nobody else

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<v Speaker 1>is offering. Instant offer, love It or Leave It one

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<v Speaker 1>cracks me up. If they're your buyer agent and you

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<v Speaker 1>get into a house you buy and for whatever reason

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<v Speaker 1>during the first year you just don't like it, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>sell it for you for free because they're gonna help

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<v Speaker 1>you find the right house, and they'll point out the

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<v Speaker 1>pitfalls and the traps or the positives that you might

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<v Speaker 1>not be focusing on anyway. They're wonderful, wonderful folks. I

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<v Speaker 1>know Peter well and I know most of his team.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in the best possible hands. Seven zero eight three

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dot com seven zero eight three thousand dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>seven zero eight three thousand, fifty five KRC the talk

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