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<v Speaker 1>Multiple people in my family clean my father are veterans.

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<v Speaker 2>And the troops that have been to war and now

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<v Speaker 2>they're back and think and be grateful for their service.

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<v Speaker 3>Sacrifice, love for their country, just unselfishness, all that they

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<v Speaker 3>do for us. There are some people in this country

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<v Speaker 3>who take extraordinary steps to provide for the freedom and security.

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<v Speaker 1>We forget that those people exist. We know them as

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<v Speaker 1>the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard. They

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<v Speaker 1>so much more. We call them fathers, brothers, sons and husbands, mothers, daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>sisters and wives. We call them friend and neighbor. These

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<v Speaker 1>veterans answered the call. Now we answer theirs, and they

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<v Speaker 1>are the best our country has to offer, and we

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<v Speaker 1>love them. Today, we honor them and we serve them.

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<v Speaker 1>David Malsby is your host, and he welcomes you to

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<v Speaker 2>it because we've got a full studio here. Uh three

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<v Speaker 2>veterans here with us today. It's a couple of staff

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<v Speaker 2>and one is currently in a program at Camp Hope. Uh, Justin,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll start with you and work away around the room,

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<v Speaker 2>or by introduce chef.

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<v Speaker 4>Good afternoon. My name is Justin Lewis. I'm the lead

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<v Speaker 4>Resident of Liaison at the PTSD Foundation of America Camp Hope,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm an Army veteran and i served two tours

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<v Speaker 4>in Iraq seven oh nine. I did a fifteen month

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<v Speaker 4>tour and then pretty much we came right back and

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<v Speaker 4>we got right back out there. Twenty ten, twenty eleven,

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<v Speaker 4>I went back right back to Iraq again for Operation

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<v Speaker 4>Iraqi Freedom and a little bit of Operation New Dawn.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I've been at Camp Hope for about four

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<v Speaker 4>and a half years now and twenty twenty when I

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<v Speaker 4>got there September twenty nine, twenty twenty, and then i

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<v Speaker 4>graduated the program April the end of April twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 4>and I've been working there ever since.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just.

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<v Speaker 4>Grateful to be here today, and I'm grateful to be

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<v Speaker 4>a part of the program.

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<v Speaker 2>Derek, Camp Hope, grateful for what you do.

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<v Speaker 3>Brother Miname's Christopher P. D. Peters. I am a Camp

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<v Speaker 3>Hope graduate. I graduated in April. I currently am filling

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<v Speaker 3>a role as a mentor in training at Camp. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>an Army veteran. I did a tour in Afghanistan in

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and one and two tours in Iraq the

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<v Speaker 3>invasion and seven and eight. It's route clearance. Happy to

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<v Speaker 3>be here today, Thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, glad you are. You're up.

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<v Speaker 5>William Kerr, a resident of Camp Hope, US Army veteran,

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<v Speaker 5>two tourist to Afghanistan, first one in twenty ten to

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<v Speaker 5>twenty eleven, second one in twenty thirteen to twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 5>doing route clearance as well. Glad to be here today.

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<v Speaker 2>Glad you are so all three of you two deployment

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<v Speaker 2>seats right, that would have heard good three. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of deployments in this room right now. Oh man, Sir.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>Why'd you doin the army? Why did you choose the army?

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<v Speaker 3>I took college level classes for architecture, doing computer aided design,

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought maybe I could do it for the army.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I met with the career counselor, he said, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you want to be an engineer, how about a combat engineer,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, so I designed tanks and planes

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff, right, He's like sure, oh gosh, but originally

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<v Speaker 3>for college money, you know, and then it turned into

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<v Speaker 3>serving something greater than myself.

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<v Speaker 2>What year did you join? Two thousand? Two thousand? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so if you deployed in one, that was fast first

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<v Speaker 3>So I joined something they called the delayed Entry program

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<v Speaker 3>in November. My first day of basic training was my birthday,

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<v Speaker 3>January twelfth of two thousand and one. Made it to

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<v Speaker 3>my unit about April. Then September eleventh happened, and uh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's funny story. We were actually slated to do the

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<v Speaker 3>Multi Force National Observer Mission mission on the Sinai Peninsula

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<v Speaker 3>between Egypt and Israel. And we were slated for that mission.

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<v Speaker 3>They were like, oh, yeah, on R and R you

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<v Speaker 3>can you know, go scuba diving in the Red Sea.

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<v Speaker 3>And then nine to eleven happened and they were like, nope,

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<v Speaker 3>that mission scratched. And I was part of the hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and first Airborne And with a name like the hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and first Airborne, you know you're getting deployed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah goodness, Uh, well when did you join it?

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<v Speaker 5>I joined December two thousand and five. Five, Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 5>what what prompted you to do that? I grew up

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<v Speaker 5>an army brat. Okay, my dad went to Vietnam, he

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<v Speaker 5>had gotten out, became a minister, and then joined the

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<v Speaker 5>Army reserves and became a chaplain of the Army. I'm so.

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<v Speaker 5>Our first duty station we lived at was in Fort Sill.

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<v Speaker 5>Moved from California to there, and so I just kind

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<v Speaker 5>of grew up around the military.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a move to Fort sil Yeah. Oh goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, uh. Just a quick reminder for all information

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<v Speaker 2>about our foundation. That's our outreach programs, Camp Hope, our

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<v Speaker 2>Interim Housing Program for Combat related PTSD ptsd usa dot

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<v Speaker 2>org is the website ptsd usa dot org. On social

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<v Speaker 2>media would be Facebook x and YouTube PTSD USA PTSD USA.

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<v Speaker 2>And our combat Trauma Support line is eight seven seven

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<v Speaker 2>seven one seven seventy eight seventy three. Please put that

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<v Speaker 2>in your phone. Eight seven seven seven one seven seventy

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<v Speaker 2>eight seventy three. We were back more of road to

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<v Speaker 2>Hope and welcome back Rode to Hope. Brady got three

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<v Speaker 2>Army that's in the studio with us today. Let's see

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<v Speaker 2>four seven combat deployments between the three, so you guys

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<v Speaker 2>kept punching the frequent flyer card. How long were you

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<v Speaker 2>in petie? How long are you in the Army?

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<v Speaker 3>I did four years active and then five years.

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<v Speaker 2>In the reserves. What'd you do your reserves?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, actually between a drill sergeant unit in Philadelphia and

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<v Speaker 3>a mechanized engineer unit in Kentucky, which the mechanized in

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<v Speaker 3>engineer unit in Kentucky gots which to a route clearance

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<v Speaker 3>company and we worked in a bar province under the

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<v Speaker 3>Marines because they were short route clearance packages.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, justin I forget. How long were you an Army?

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<v Speaker 4>I was in the Army for six and a half years.

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<v Speaker 4>I joined in two thousand and five. I did a

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<v Speaker 4>late entry program as well. In two thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just like man. I went to school for

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<v Speaker 4>a year and a half after I got out of

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<v Speaker 4>high school. But then I just worked a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>jobs like home depot and stuff. And then I was

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<v Speaker 4>around with nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Happened.

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<v Speaker 4>I had just graduated from high school in May, and

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<v Speaker 4>then I started going to Peyview University in August and

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<v Speaker 4>then nine to eleven happened, and I was very kind

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<v Speaker 4>of like, man, that was very traumatic situation that happened,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just thought I just kept seeing all the

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<v Speaker 4>good guys on TV fighting and going to war, and

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<v Speaker 4>I was just like, I think I can do this.

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<v Speaker 4>But I've always wanted to do something with aviation, so

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<v Speaker 4>I chose aviation. I thought about the Air Force, and

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<v Speaker 4>my dad's a marine, and then and then overall, I

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<v Speaker 4>was just like, the Army had the best kind of

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<v Speaker 4>aviation that I was thinking about doing. So six and

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<v Speaker 4>a half years in and then I could have did more.

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<v Speaker 4>But I thought I was ready to get out, but

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<v Speaker 4>I really wasn't ready to get out come to find out.

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<v Speaker 4>But I finally made it to Camp Hope. And it

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<v Speaker 4>took a little while because I got out in two

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<v Speaker 4>thousand and eleven August around August twenty eleven, and then

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<v Speaker 4>from August twenty eleven all the way to September twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty, that's how long it took me to figure

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<v Speaker 4>out the place that that could help me the way

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<v Speaker 4>I needed to help to get on my feet and

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<v Speaker 4>get back go in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the first time I guess that you really

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<v Speaker 2>remember something's not right, something, something's messed up here. It

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<v Speaker 2>didn't take long after I got out, so was after

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<v Speaker 2>you got out?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was right immediately because I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna just sit around for a little while and

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<v Speaker 4>go on a long vacation. And then I went from

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<v Speaker 4>marijuana to I got in a motorcycle accident. Then they

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<v Speaker 4>three of those, and I was up in Kansas, and

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<v Speaker 4>then I for a Raleigh, Kansas area and then I said, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I think I need to go back home to Houston.

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<v Speaker 4>And I come back home to Houston thinking things didn't change,

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<v Speaker 4>but it actually got a lot worse with the people

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<v Speaker 4>so I kind of fell back into.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever they had going on.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was just a long journey about six and

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<v Speaker 4>a half years of being homeless, and the first about

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<v Speaker 4>three years I was just kind of like keeping my

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<v Speaker 4>head above water, you know, I was paying my bills,

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<v Speaker 4>but I wasn't you know how that goes, and for

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<v Speaker 4>I knew what I got. I had to go to

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<v Speaker 4>a mental health facility to get some help. And then

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<v Speaker 4>when I came back to my apartment, they had a

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<v Speaker 4>padlock on the door because I couldn't pay the rent.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was the first time I experienced homelessness. But

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<v Speaker 4>it took a while, and finally just being at Camp Hope,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know how it was gonna go because I've

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<v Speaker 4>never been in a program. I had never did naaa,

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<v Speaker 4>I never did anything like the program itself. For being

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<v Speaker 4>in the military, that was the only program. And then

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<v Speaker 4>my mom always makes a joke where it's like you

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<v Speaker 4>grew up like the military as well, So you military

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't very hard for me, you know, because my dad's Marine.

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<v Speaker 4>And then my mom the way she grew up and

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<v Speaker 4>where her family is, she kind of like get about

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<v Speaker 4>that bit, you know, And so I mean, Camp Hope

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<v Speaker 4>kind of put me back into mind state of I

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<v Speaker 4>need to, you know, wake up at a certain time,

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<v Speaker 4>little bit when I can, you know, I asked, asked

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<v Speaker 5>Probably during the first deployment, if not immediately after, Like

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<v Speaker 5>Overrun us, so loud noises would startle us. And like

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<v Speaker 5>Bograam to you know, process out and go back out

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<v Speaker 5>it hit a pothole or something that loud little of

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<v Speaker 5>noise like our whole platoony like jump. So he kind

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<v Speaker 5>of knew like we had a little bit of something

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<v Speaker 5>going on, but we weren't really sure what exactly, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>my dad, you know, being in Vietnam. But he used

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<v Speaker 5>to be like, man, you got PTSD. I was like, nah,

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<v Speaker 5>may before I really started to recognize some of the

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<v Speaker 5>He's gotten a little bit better about some things, but

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<v Speaker 5>like even now he has like a sleep avenue machine,

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<v Speaker 5>and my mom says, like he starts fighting with it

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<v Speaker 5>like it's a snake in the jungle and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 5>I know he's still he's still suffering with that all

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<v Speaker 5>the way. You know, however many years later it is.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I think he got out in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well Vietnam in particular. Just about any time you

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<v Speaker 2>the way it is. Okay, so your dad mentioned something,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not really into all that, But when did you

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<v Speaker 5>After my second deployment, I started knowing there's really some

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<v Speaker 5>call a deployment jumper, Like I would find a unit

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<v Speaker 5>that was deployed and I would transfer to that unit.

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<v Speaker 5>So some of my time back wasn't very long, and

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<v Speaker 5>I was just staying deployed. So like I was noticing

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<v Speaker 5>I was having some issues, and I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 5>went to the chaplain and asked him for help, because

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<v Speaker 5>that's what they said one of our resources were there.

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<v Speaker 5>So we got to the VA and he tried to

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<v Speaker 5>turn to an impatient like substance abuse thing. I said, man,

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<v Speaker 5>that's what kind of got me pross out to the

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<v Speaker 5>threaten tak an the MP's and police to come get me.

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<v Speaker 5>I told him I'd do what I did overseas.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>They're like, yeah, are you armed. I'm like, I'm armed

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<v Speaker 5>and all this stuff, and so they kind of backed

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<v Speaker 5>I can't come and talk to y'all right now. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not gonna hold military bearing very well. I felt like

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<v Speaker 5>I had been betrayed and stuff like that, and I

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<v Speaker 5>asked for help and I'm not getting helped, and I

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<v Speaker 5>was kind of frustrated. I didn't know where to go

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<v Speaker 5>for help at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>So after you're out, what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>That as I was processing out, a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 5>would kind of happened, like end up losing my job

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<v Speaker 5>because injury I got on my second deployment and I

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<v Speaker 5>do us stuff all my time off and stuff. I

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<v Speaker 5>lost a relationship, just like a lot of personal stuff

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<v Speaker 5>was happening compound on top of just coming back from

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<v Speaker 5>a rotation. So I kind of just went out there

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<v Speaker 5>and I defaulted back to a lifestyle I used to

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<v Speaker 5>know before I joined the military, and I went back

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<v Speaker 5>to selling drugs to try to make ends me since

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't have a job, and thats been a long

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<v Speaker 5>road in and out of jail in prison for probably

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<v Speaker 5>the last ten years because of that, being homeless and

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<v Speaker 5>everything else going along with it.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, We're gonna have to take a news break

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<v Speaker 2>for those of you on the U nine to five

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<v Speaker 2>take that quick break, we'll be right back get more

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<v Speaker 2>into all three guys stories of what brought you to

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<v Speaker 2>Camp Hope and for you, how it's going. How long

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<v Speaker 2>have you been at Camp Hope, by the way, how

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<v Speaker 2>long since Junie thirty? Oh? Okay, all right, so month

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<v Speaker 2>and a half. All right, we're gonna take a quick break,

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<v Speaker 2>be right back road to Hope Radio and were welcomed

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<v Speaker 2>back David Malsby hero I would hope. We've got Justin,

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<v Speaker 2>got Peter, you got Will, all three United States Army

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<v Speaker 2>combat veterans. Well, how did you first hear about Camp Hope?

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<v Speaker 2>First heard about it?

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<v Speaker 5>I was incarcerated in Gwinnett County, see like late October

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty four. The guys from the Foundation was doing,

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<v Speaker 5>I guess, like a warrior group, which was new when

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<v Speaker 5>I was rested there previously in twenty twenty three. They

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<v Speaker 5>didn't have all that stuff, but they had a veterans pod.

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<v Speaker 5>I got released on prob, went back to South Carolina,

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<v Speaker 5>ended up getting a violation, so I had to go

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<v Speaker 5>back down there to address that. And he was kind

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<v Speaker 5>of breezing through it and he's like, anybody want to

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<v Speaker 5>hear about Camp Hope?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, what is that?

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<v Speaker 5>So he showed us kind of like a YouTube video,

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<v Speaker 5>like the introduction video showing the campus and stuff, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, spoke to us about it and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 5>And what really spoke to me, I guess was he

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<v Speaker 5>was also another route clearance guy. He was a combat engineer,

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<v Speaker 5>military brat, went through a lot of similar stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>got blown up overseas. Life kind of just went to

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<v Speaker 5>crap after the military, especially when you're not ready to

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<v Speaker 5>get out. So I thought I was gonna be a

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<v Speaker 5>career guy. That's all I wanted to do. Is the

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<v Speaker 5>only thing that ever fell right, like the right fifth life.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was like, well, man, if he went through

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<v Speaker 5>something like that too, and he went to this place

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<v Speaker 5>and said it changed the trajectory of his life and

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<v Speaker 5>helped him out, you know, I'd be willing to check

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<v Speaker 5>it out see see what kind of help I could

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<v Speaker 5>get from it. End up having to go to Georgia

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<v Speaker 5>Department at Corrections finish up my time, and then stayed

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<v Speaker 5>in contact with James and contacted him when I was

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<v Speaker 5>getting ready to get out, and kind about about two

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<v Speaker 5>and a half weeks and made a decision to pull

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<v Speaker 5>the trigger on it and come out here and see

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<v Speaker 5>if I can get some hope.

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<v Speaker 2>James does great work, great work over there. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>does really good work. And we talked so much about

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<v Speaker 2>Camp Hope. We should address what we do outside of

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<v Speaker 2>Camp Hope a little more than we do. But we

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<v Speaker 2>run outreach groups for instance there in the Atlanta area,

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<v Speaker 2>Tampa Bay, we're in Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex, San Antonio.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, we're in groups all across the Houston area,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we have a virtual couple of virtual groups

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<v Speaker 2>also support groups for the family members. It's imperative for

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<v Speaker 2>that long term success that we're looking for in our

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<v Speaker 2>veterans general with PTSD, that you've got to help the

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<v Speaker 2>family understand of what's going on and how they can

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<v Speaker 2>help and not make it worse. So those support groups

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<v Speaker 2>are run all again no charge, and all that information

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<v Speaker 2>is available on the website PTSD USA dot org. But

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<v Speaker 2>just it's interesting to me because we get so many

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<v Speaker 2>guys from veterans courts across the country and that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of what you handle, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, sir, definitely, me being the lead resident liaison, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>trying to break this down as as quick as I can.

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<v Speaker 2>But a lot it's a different day every day.

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<v Speaker 4>In it, so I have to meet guys, what are

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<v Speaker 4>at and so many different situations every day. But like

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<v Speaker 4>when they told me about the job that they wanted

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<v Speaker 4>me to become the lead resident liaison, it was like,

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<v Speaker 4>I just remember this I have to do help out

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<v Speaker 4>was illegal, the financial and the medical concerns of the residents,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and those If I just remember those three things,

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<v Speaker 4>then I could be I would be okay. So when

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<v Speaker 4>something happens, like maybe it's a child support, maybe it's

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<v Speaker 4>a guy just having the traffic ticket, maybe it's a

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<v Speaker 4>guy dealing with financial issues he never had addressed in

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<v Speaker 4>about ten years, you know, kind of like all these

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<v Speaker 4>are my situations. So I kind of like to say

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<v Speaker 4>pass on the blessings I've received. I have to live

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<v Speaker 4>by that too, and just meet guys where are at

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<v Speaker 4>and and just talk to them and listen active listening,

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<v Speaker 4>and like Veterans Court, Harrison County Veterans Court, that's a

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<v Speaker 4>big one.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 4>We have a lot of guys with that court out there,

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<v Speaker 4>Montgomery County, Galveston County. But we really do just help

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<v Speaker 4>all over the nation. And then we've helped out guys.

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<v Speaker 4>That's coming from, you know, in taking out of the Philippines, Brazil.

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<v Speaker 4>So we definitely can just meet guys wherever they are

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<v Speaker 4>at and we will get you here free of charge.

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<v Speaker 4>And we've reunited families that haven't seen each other in

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<v Speaker 4>twenty thirty years. So that's about I think those are

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<v Speaker 4>some good bullet points about how we help with the

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<v Speaker 4>intake and the legal department, but we always are here

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<v Speaker 4>to help, like everyone. We all kind of like Romans twelve.

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<v Speaker 4>That's like one of my favorite parts of the Bible.

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<v Speaker 4>It just says, be good at what you are good at.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, some good guys are good at listening, some

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<v Speaker 4>guys are good at talking, some guys are good at

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<v Speaker 4>just driving. Guys places, they got good driving skills, so

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<v Speaker 4>we put them guys in those positions and we just

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<v Speaker 4>try to do our best. Be the best version of yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>I've learned all this at Camp Hope. Everything I'm saying

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't be able to say if I hadn't come

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<v Speaker 4>to Camp Ope and just hear these things over and over.

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<v Speaker 4>Progress is not perfection, the best version of yourself, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and one day at a time, these are just things, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I learned each and every day. How long were you

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<v Speaker 4>in the program at Camp? I got there September twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty. So I was just like like these guys

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<v Speaker 4>when they say, man, I've been here four months, I

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<v Speaker 4>need to go to Yellow.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking the same way.

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<v Speaker 4>I stayed in Alphabet for five months, and I thought

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<v Speaker 4>I was gonna be four months. But then we got

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<v Speaker 4>here with COVID in twenty twenty, we had COVID going on.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty twenty one, we had COVID going on. So I

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<v Speaker 4>did seven months in the program Camp Hope, and then

425
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<v Speaker 4>like my last couple of weeks, they were already talking

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<v Speaker 4>to me about what's your plans next. I'll say, I'm

427
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<v Speaker 4>not going nowhere. I can't go nowhere right now. I

428
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<v Speaker 4>still got tickets I need to pay for. I still

429
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<v Speaker 4>got My percentage was at ten percent and I was

430
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<v Speaker 4>trying to get you know, and I'm at one hundred percent.

431
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<v Speaker 4>So I know that how guys feel when they coming

432
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<v Speaker 4>there's that guy zero. You can do it. You just

433
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<v Speaker 4>got to just keep at it and keep asking questions,

434
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<v Speaker 4>keep listening, keep your eyes and ears open, and you know,

435
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<v Speaker 4>take a little bit from each person like you might

436
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<v Speaker 4>take a little bit from me, take a little bit

437
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<v Speaker 4>for pet, take a little bit from passor Mosby, take

438
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<v Speaker 4>a little bit from everybody, and then just form your

439
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<v Speaker 4>own program that where it works towards you and your goals.

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<v Speaker 4>And I can keep on going on about it, but

441
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<v Speaker 4>I think that's we got a little more time left.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Well, you know, when I think about though, seven months,

443
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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty remarkable understanding what you came through because you

444
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<v Speaker 2>touched on the homeless department. When it's that long and

445
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<v Speaker 2>you're in that mindset for that long, it's pretty impressive

446
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<v Speaker 2>to get through the program. And certainly where you're at today,

447
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<v Speaker 2>thank you. That's seven months. That's pretty it's pretty good.

448
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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't easy at times, like I could relate it's been.

449
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<v Speaker 4>It was a couple of times where I'll even give

450
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<v Speaker 4>career Brendan Harsberg like we were in the same base.

451
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<v Speaker 4>Let's go take a walk to the cross and we talked,

452
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<v Speaker 4>and I've had that happen where it'd be people that

453
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<v Speaker 4>you don't really think it's gonna be that person to

454
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<v Speaker 4>help you that it comes to your aid. Let's pray

455
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<v Speaker 4>about it, Let's let's read the AA book or in

456
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<v Speaker 4>a book, let's let's talk about this, you know, and

457
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<v Speaker 4>it's a peer to peer support program, definitely.

458
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<v Speaker 2>So Petie, how long did it take you could go

459
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<v Speaker 2>through the program?

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<v Speaker 3>It took me eight months, and then I did a

461
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<v Speaker 3>Green phase for two months before I actually applied to

462
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<v Speaker 3>the MIT position. So I was already doing mental health

463
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<v Speaker 3>peer support training in a part of my Green phase

464
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<v Speaker 3>and a mentor came to me and said, you know,

465
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<v Speaker 3>hypothetically there was a position open. Would you be interested?

466
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<v Speaker 3>And the first thing I said, well, hypothetically, yes I would,

467
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<v Speaker 3>and I mean to give back to the place that

468
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<v Speaker 3>help me save my own life.

469
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<v Speaker 2>When you look back on that time, the eight months

470
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<v Speaker 2>in the program and then two in green, what's the

471
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<v Speaker 2>most What's the thing that stands out the most to

472
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<v Speaker 2>you about that time?

473
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<v Speaker 3>Learning to be honest with myself. That was a big

474
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<v Speaker 3>thing I had to deal with. Learning to be honest

475
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<v Speaker 3>with myself made it possible for me to be honest

476
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<v Speaker 3>with everybody else. That was a really big deal for me.

477
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so how long you've been in my Tina?

478
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<v Speaker 3>I am about to round out two months and it's

479
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<v Speaker 3>a three month program.

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<v Speaker 4>So all right, he's doing a great job. He was

481
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<v Speaker 4>on weekend duty with me this past weekend. Yeah, I

482
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<v Speaker 4>did him a shout out right now. He did a

483
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<v Speaker 4>great job of being available and just being the best

484
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<v Speaker 4>version of him and that's what we try to allow

485
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<v Speaker 4>guys to do.

486
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<v Speaker 2>It's uh, it's a wild ride at camp uh both

487
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<v Speaker 2>as it either as a resident or on the staff side.

488
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<v Speaker 2>Either way, but on the staff side that's rough. It's

489
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<v Speaker 2>a rough job and it's not for everybody. But between

490
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<v Speaker 2>weekend duty, do you guys share the bat phone some

491
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<v Speaker 2>or is that all outreach we share? You are sharing? Okay,

492
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<v Speaker 2>so I.

493
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<v Speaker 3>Haven't been put on that yet.

494
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<v Speaker 2>Get ready. It's another eye opener. You get a little

495
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<v Speaker 2>bit of everything on that phone. Reminder. PTSD us a

496
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<v Speaker 2>dot org for all things PTSD Foundation of America and

497
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 2>Camp Hope. Big thank you to everybody here that supports

498
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.880
<v Speaker 2>what we do in some way form or other. Lot

499
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.799
<v Speaker 2>of church groups, a lot of businesses come out and

500
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.920
<v Speaker 2>do a lot of volunteer projects. Sometimes they come out

501
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<v Speaker 2>and provide a meal for the guys. However you wherever

502
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<v Speaker 2>it works for you and your company, We love to

503
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<v Speaker 2>have you. PTSD USA dot org. Right, we canna take

504
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<v Speaker 2>a quick break and we'll be back with more of

505
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<v Speaker 2>road to hope right here? All right, Well, taking pretty

506
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<v Speaker 2>easy on you so far. Let me hold you guys. Carry.

507
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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna talk about you for a minute, right all right.

508
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<v Speaker 2>So you were in a court system when you heard

509
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<v Speaker 2>about us, right, Okay, after you're done and you're out

510
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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks, you make the decision to come

511
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<v Speaker 2>to camp. Mhm, what's happened so far? I mean you

512
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:00.480
<v Speaker 2>still have long ways to go. What's happened so far?

513
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<v Speaker 1>For you?

514
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<v Speaker 5>We've got to learn some things from these classes, some

515
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<v Speaker 5>different coping skills, like grounding techniques, things like that.

516
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<v Speaker 2>What's your go to usually walking? What about you? PETI?

517
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<v Speaker 3>I'm a rock marker, Yes you are, so I with

518
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<v Speaker 3>everything on my rock mark.

519
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:26.599
<v Speaker 2>What's yours?

520
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<v Speaker 4>Justin Well, I got a lot of tools in my

521
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:31.880
<v Speaker 4>tool bag and toolbox and I do need them all.

522
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<v Speaker 4>So it might go from reading, it goes a little

523
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<v Speaker 4>bit of going outside mindfulness, like being with my dog, walking,

524
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.640
<v Speaker 4>just writing, talking. I found somebody to talk to about

525
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:51.319
<v Speaker 4>my safe people. I find them and we just have

526
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<v Speaker 4>a conversation and just it comes kind of like muscle memory.

527
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<v Speaker 2>Now.

528
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<v Speaker 4>But during the program, I think it was mostly like

529
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<v Speaker 4>going down to that cross and maybe looking at my

530
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<v Speaker 4>seats HM and working on that book and my AA

531
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<v Speaker 4>big book and twelve and twelve, so those like things

532
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:09.759
<v Speaker 4>in the program. That's what I did, kind of like

533
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<v Speaker 4>you will walk and yep, that's about it for right now.

534
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:17.720
<v Speaker 4>But I got more to keep going, try to keep

535
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<v Speaker 4>it short.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, not an easy way to bring this up, but

537
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<v Speaker 2>the you had at least one attempt at your own life, right,

538
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<v Speaker 2>I've done it five O my life? Five? Yeah? Wow?

539
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<v Speaker 2>When was the first?

540
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<v Speaker 5>When I was in the fourth grade?

541
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<v Speaker 3>Oh? My yeah?

542
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<v Speaker 5>My first two attempts were in the fourth grade. The

543
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<v Speaker 5>third one was in the seventh grade.

544
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<v Speaker 2>And two of them.

545
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<v Speaker 5>One was in between the deployment and one was after

546
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<v Speaker 5>the last deployment.

547
00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Did anyone know the one in between at the army? No? Okay,

548
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:16.359
<v Speaker 2>your last one was how long ago?

549
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.839
<v Speaker 5>Probably about two thousand and nineteen.

550
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<v Speaker 2>I think. What do you think was the driving force

551
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<v Speaker 2>behind that?

552
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:34.039
<v Speaker 5>Just a lot of stuff from the Deployment's also like

553
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.400
<v Speaker 5>the depression about not being in and against you know,

554
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:41.160
<v Speaker 5>some lack of some more felonies and stuff like that.

555
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<v Speaker 5>So it's getting harder to get in. I've been trying

556
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<v Speaker 5>to re enlist and stuff like that, just it's still

557
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<v Speaker 5>really not ready to be out.

558
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<v Speaker 1>You know.

559
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<v Speaker 5>That was actually a harder transition that I do more,

560
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<v Speaker 5>have more trible to dealing with that than I do

561
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<v Speaker 5>most anything else. Like the employments, for the most heart

562
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<v Speaker 5>didn't bother me a whole lot. It was not being

563
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<v Speaker 5>able to be in anymore, losing like that sense of purpose,

564
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 5>sure that that brotherhood that I had and stuff like that,

565
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.759
<v Speaker 5>and then just ruining my life. I'll call them drugs.

566
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 5>Just kind of was sick of the way I was living.

567
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<v Speaker 5>How's a relationship with your family? It's on the mend.

568
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<v Speaker 5>It's been a couple of years really since we had talked.

569
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<v Speaker 5>I was locked up in Georgia though, started speaking with

570
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<v Speaker 5>my mom. I'd call her once a week, so we

571
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:44.119
<v Speaker 5>started speaking again. And then before flying out here, Uh,

572
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:46.400
<v Speaker 5>me and my dad hadn't spoken at all. Was not

573
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<v Speaker 5>good last time we talked, and I kind of asked

574
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<v Speaker 5>because I had to take a Greyhound up there to

575
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<v Speaker 5>get my last court case under control and finished up

576
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.359
<v Speaker 5>for me to fly out here. I was like, Hey,

577
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.240
<v Speaker 5>we'll be okay if I hung out at the house

578
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:03.799
<v Speaker 5>until I could, you know, check into a hotel. Sometimes

579
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:05.640
<v Speaker 5>they got laid check ins and she was like, well,

580
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 5>it's coming from your dad. He says, you can't stay

581
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<v Speaker 5>here the night, We'll get you to court the next

582
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<v Speaker 5>day and all that. So that was a big step.

583
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 5>I was able to call them my Father's Day this

584
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.559
<v Speaker 5>year and say Happy Father's Day. It's been the first

585
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.519
<v Speaker 5>time in several years because we just hadn't been on

586
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:24.800
<v Speaker 5>speaking terms with each other. I think the more they

587
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:27.159
<v Speaker 5>got looking at this place and researching about it and

588
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:31.280
<v Speaker 5>seeing it, they were at first night, we're on board

589
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:32.639
<v Speaker 5>with it. I think they were thinking it was like

590
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Speaker 5>another cop out of me trying to make it look

591
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.360
<v Speaker 5>like I'm doing the right thing, because I've seen me

592
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.400
<v Speaker 5>do well before and then you know, relapse or something

593
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:46.559
<v Speaker 5>like that. But they're brilliant pressed with Camp Hope. They're like, yeah,

594
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:48.800
<v Speaker 5>they're kind of start getting all on board for it,

595
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.840
<v Speaker 5>and I think they're seeing the changes and they're actually

596
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.039
<v Speaker 5>wanting to switch where they're donating with all of our

597
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:59.559
<v Speaker 5>gospel mission to start donating to Camp Hope. Now tell

598
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:06.519
<v Speaker 5>about CA Hope help out o their veterans. When you

599
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:14.159
<v Speaker 5>look in the mirror today, what do you see see

600
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<v Speaker 5>myself working on trying to be the best version I

601
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:23.519
<v Speaker 5>can be. You know, I heard his saying some time back.

602
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<v Speaker 5>You know every setbacks that set up for a comeback,

603
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Speaker 5>make this my last comeback. I don't want any more setbacks.

604
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<v Speaker 5>I know there's stole meat bumps in the road ahead,

605
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<v Speaker 5>but oh yes, you can use those as jumps, maybe

606
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<v Speaker 5>make them a little fun or.

607
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<v Speaker 2>Some sure, nothing wrong with that, man. Uh yeah. We

608
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<v Speaker 2>don't talk about this very often on the show, but

609
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.559
<v Speaker 2>I think every now and then it probably a good

610
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<v Speaker 2>reset for people listening. Maybe this is the first time

611
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:55.119
<v Speaker 2>you heard the show, maybe it's the hundredths of time.

612
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 2>But studies tell us we're losing up to forty four

613
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:06.679
<v Speaker 2>veterans every single day to their own hands. That's suicide,

614
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.440
<v Speaker 2>it's addiction, it's it's a problem, and we're trying to

615
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:13.400
<v Speaker 2>do everything can to put a stop to that. So

616
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:18.639
<v Speaker 2>there's a reason we do what we do and the

617
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<v Speaker 2>way we do it. Petie, talk to the guy out

618
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<v Speaker 2>there that's struggling and a little too pride prideful, what

619
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<v Speaker 2>would you tell him?

620
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<v Speaker 3>Ask yourself one question, It is your way working? Because

621
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.559
<v Speaker 3>I know what brought me to camp was my way

622
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:44.679
<v Speaker 3>wasn't working. So you need to ask yourself is your

623
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.880
<v Speaker 3>way working. And I didn't know anything about Camp Hope

624
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:52.000
<v Speaker 3>until a fellow veteran told me about it. He was

625
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:58.079
<v Speaker 3>actually my platoon leader in Iraq. I didn't know a

626
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:01.920
<v Speaker 3>place like Camp Hope existed. And I think it was

627
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.079
<v Speaker 3>God's plan for me to be told about Camp Hope.

628
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.119
<v Speaker 3>It was God's purpose for me to be there and

629
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<v Speaker 3>get the help that I needed.

630
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:17.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you did, and glad for what you're doing

631
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:19.960
<v Speaker 2>today because now you're going to have the opportunity. I

632
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.440
<v Speaker 2>hear this quite a bit from some of our staff,

633
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<v Speaker 2>and the first time I heard it's kind of set

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<v Speaker 2>me back a little bit, like are you pulling my leg?

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<v Speaker 2>You're just trying to, you know, make me feel good,

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<v Speaker 2>or what are you doing? But I've heard many of

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<v Speaker 2>them say a couple of things that were shocking to me.

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<v Speaker 2>One was choosing to go to Camp Hope was scarier

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<v Speaker 2>than going to war. I had many say that to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've also had many say that their job as a

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<v Speaker 2>mentor or whatever I Camp Hope it was more purposeful

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<v Speaker 2>to them than their time when they were interact Rafghans.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've heard that many many times, and again both

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<v Speaker 2>times I kind of like are you are you serious

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, oh, absolutely, absolutely, Well we just got

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of time left, but again you got

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<v Speaker 2>a little ways to go still in the program. What

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<v Speaker 2>are you hoping to get out of this? Learning?

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<v Speaker 5>Learning better tea techniques to deal with my triggers, which

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<v Speaker 5>majority of those are like auditory triggers, some smells, things

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<v Speaker 5>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Learn how to.

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<v Speaker 3>Use better behavior.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess a better reaction when I'm dealing with it,

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<v Speaker 5>or recognizing when I'm getting out of control, re acting

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<v Speaker 5>out of just kind of what comes with is sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't say instinct, it's not really an instinct, but

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<v Speaker 5>I guess I'll learned behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know there's always a thousand reasons to leave,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're doing what you're doing as you see around

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<v Speaker 2>our place all the time. It does pay off in

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<v Speaker 2>the end. Ptsd us A dot Org. Ptsd us A

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<v Speaker 2>dot org Crisis Line eight seven seven seven one seven

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<v Speaker 2>seventy eight seventy three. Thanks for joining us. With you

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<v Speaker 2>again next week for more of Road to Hope Radio