Speaker 1: It's Night's Eyes with Dan Ray. I'm telling you razy
Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio.
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Speaker 2: a Tuesday evening edition of Night Sime from eight and
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Speaker 2: great job is always. Thanks again. We will move right
Speaker 2: into our first hour. Remind you that back in the
Speaker 2: control room at the Broadcast Center, the broadcast headquarters, of course,
Speaker 2: is Rob Brooks, who is with us virtually every night
Speaker 2: of the year as well. Like myself. We'd take a
Speaker 2: couple of nights off here and there, but not many.
Speaker 2: A little bit later on tonight, we're going to spend
Speaker 2: an hour talking about the beginning of the Karen Reid retrial.
Speaker 2: Got off to a quick start today with the openings
Speaker 2: by both the prosecution and the defense. Some witnesses were called.
Speaker 2: We'll talk with Phil Tracy at eight forty five about
Speaker 2: his take of this retrial for Karen Reid. And then
Speaker 2: later we're on tonight at ten o'clock we're going to
Speaker 2: talk with Professor Gregg Staller. He's a professor at Boston
Speaker 2: University's Questum School of Business. It was a wild day
Speaker 2: on Wall Street yesterday and an equally wild day today.
Speaker 2: And there's been some developments on the economy and on
Speaker 2: the tariffs. And Greg is a great guest and we
Speaker 2: will have him back tonight at ten o'clock. But first off,
Speaker 2: first order of business is the Nightside News Update, in
Speaker 2: which we highlight for interesting events indoor stories for you.
Speaker 2: Are going to start off. For those of you who
Speaker 2: live in the Greater Boston area, some of you have
Speaker 2: probably never heard of what we're about to talk about.
Speaker 2: It's called the American Heritage Museum. And with us is
Speaker 2: Bob Collings. Bob is the head of the American Heritage Museum.
Speaker 2: And Bob I know it's in Hudson, Massachusetts, but I
Speaker 2: fear that a lot of my listeners might not be
Speaker 2: aware of it. So tell us a little bit about
Speaker 2: the history of the American Heritage Museum, which will be
Speaker 2: reopening for the summer and fall. Its closes up during
Speaker 2: the winters. I understand it correct.
Speaker 3: No, Actually, American Heritage Museum is open twelve months of
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 2: WHOA, Okay, well there's something I didn't know, So okay,
Speaker 2: going on, all.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we're open twelve months of the year. Five
Speaker 3: days a week. We're just closed on Mondays and Tuesdays.
Speaker 3: A side of this week is at school vacation in
Speaker 3: a lot of vacation weeks, so we hope everyone will
Speaker 3: have a chance to come out. The museum itself is
Speaker 3: relatively new. We opened in May of two thoy nineteen,
Speaker 3: but the Colleens Foundation, the parents of the museum, goes
Speaker 3: back to nineteen seventy nine of preserving living history events
Speaker 3: and or recently, this museum is highlighting the Jacques Littlefield
Speaker 3: collection in Jacques was the world's large tank collector and
Speaker 3: contributed all of the vehicles to the American Heritage Museum
Speaker 3: just a little over ten years ago.
Speaker 2: So how big a property are we talking about? I
Speaker 2: must admit I've never ventured out there, although I'm familiar
Speaker 2: where Hudson is right, a little bit outside of Boston,
Speaker 2: kind of a little northeast of Worcester and whatever, maybe
Speaker 2: the little northwest of Boston. You're close to fort ninety five.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we are in the town of Stowe and
Speaker 3: the entrances in the town of Hudson. So actually the
Speaker 3: property spans two towns and it's one hundred and thirteen
Speaker 3: acres that allows us not only to have the sixty
Speaker 3: seven thousand square foot museum which highlights artifacts from World
Speaker 3: War Two to the present day. So we have a
Speaker 3: World War One trench experience where people go inside of
Speaker 3: and they can see the first American tank, the m
Speaker 3: nineteen seventeen, and going through the museum, you go through
Speaker 3: in a chronological order. You see the call an effect
Speaker 3: of these different events and everything is very very immersive
Speaker 3: as you go through, so it's not just seeing a
Speaker 3: tank or an airplane with a sign in front of it.
Speaker 3: You get to really step back in time, so they said,
Speaker 3: with World War One trench and a lot of audio
Speaker 3: visual presentations that showcases what these vehicles meant technologically, where
Speaker 3: they fit in geopolitically, but most of all, what's the
Speaker 3: human side of it. What was it like for the
Speaker 3: people who served in them and their personal stories all
Speaker 3: the way up through the present day. But not only
Speaker 3: do you see them in the museum, but we have
Speaker 3: different events through the course of the year, and that's
Speaker 3: where the summer months we do start to look outside
Speaker 3: as well as inside. We have tank demo weekends, aviation weekends,
Speaker 3: and World War two reenactments to utilize the full property.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is interesting now, I know that. Do you
Speaker 2: do school tours and stuff like that as well, or
Speaker 2: it is your clientele primarily moms and dads and kids
Speaker 2: or teenagers or adults. Who's your clientele?
Speaker 3: The clientele is everybody. Yes, it is a lot of
Speaker 3: families that are coming through the museum, and that is
Speaker 3: so important this time of the year. It's a lot
Speaker 3: of school groups and you know we have school vacation
Speaker 3: right now, so families are coming through. But also we
Speaker 3: have our New Hampshire schools that are coming through the
Speaker 3: museum as well. So it draws from a very broad
Speaker 3: range of schools that come in to learn this history
Speaker 3: and to see it and touch it firsthand. A lot
Speaker 3: of it really fits into the Massachusetts state curriculum for education.
Speaker 3: We do have some amazing artifacts, like an original German
Speaker 3: railcar from the Holocaust with a very very poignant video
Speaker 3: presentation inside of it of what that was like.
Speaker 4: All the way through.
Speaker 3: We have two cells from the Hanoi Hilton, the prisoner
Speaker 3: of war camp during the Vietnam War, and everyone's going
Speaker 3: to recognize the name John McCain. He was one of
Speaker 3: those men who was in prison there when he was
Speaker 3: shot down during the Vietnam War. And there's only one
Speaker 3: other place in the world where you can right now
Speaker 3: see an original cell from the Hanoi Hilton, and that's
Speaker 3: in Hanoi. So this is amazing.
Speaker 2: These are non replica cells. These are actual cells that
Speaker 2: American POWs were held in isolation, in many cases for
Speaker 2: several years.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, these two cells are original cells from Wallow the prison,
Speaker 3: which we colloquially know is the Hanoi Hilton, that were
Speaker 3: disassembled back in the nineties and then brought to America
Speaker 3: and then it's more recently reassembled here.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's amazing the story of how this foundation,
Speaker 2: how all of these Uh I shouldn't say souvenirs, memorabile you,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call whatever word would be appropriate. Uh,
Speaker 2: we're actually acquired. What a what a collection you have?
Speaker 2: So how can folks who are interested what's give us
Speaker 2: the website so people can go peruse the website and
Speaker 2: find a time of day or or or a weekday
Speaker 2: or a weekend or vacation or whatever to come up there,
Speaker 2: because I think it's you've certainly intrigued a lot of
Speaker 2: our listeners with your your description and the breadth of
Speaker 2: of what you folks have there. It's it's it sounds
Speaker 2: like what a what a collection? So how what's What's
Speaker 2: the website?
Speaker 3: American Heritage Museum dot org is the website. We do
Speaker 3: have one of our first special events coming up for
Speaker 3: the year, which is on Memorial Day weekend, the Saturday
Speaker 3: and Sunday of Memorial Day weekend. It's the Tank Demonstration Weekend.
Speaker 3: So these vehicles are not just static. Will have a
Speaker 3: lot of vehicles outside in a special tank driving area,
Speaker 3: including the well known Sherman tank from World War Two,
Speaker 3: but a lot of other vehicles that will be on
Speaker 3: display and running that weekend. And not only can you
Speaker 3: see them, drive and feel them, you can even go
Speaker 3: for a ride or drive one of these tanks. We
Speaker 3: have driving programs and we have ride programs where people
Speaker 3: can get hands on and see what it was like
Speaker 3: for these these eighteen nineteen year old kids that were
Speaker 3: operating these things during World War Two. It's an absolutely
Speaker 3: incredible experience.
Speaker 2: Now that's a little bit beyond that. In order to
Speaker 2: drive or ride in one of those there there's an
Speaker 2: additional cost there. So want I don't want my list
Speaker 2: who's going up figuring that for the very reasonable admission price,
Speaker 2: they also can you engage.
Speaker 3: In Yeah, that you are absolutely correct that that is
Speaker 3: definitely an additional item. But in this day and age,
Speaker 3: people really like that hands on it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure, but I want to make
Speaker 2: sure that no one goes up there and is disappointed.
Speaker 2: For me, I'm very happy just to just to observe.
Speaker 2: I know what those what those tags look like, and
Speaker 2: I've seen them. I spent I spent a few years
Speaker 2: in the military. Never have been in any danger, trust
Speaker 2: me on that, but I see a lot of it.
Speaker 2: And this sounds like a fabulous museum. So Rob Callings,
Speaker 2: the president and the financial director of the American Heritage Museum,
Speaker 2: thanks for the information, and we'll do something again, maybe
Speaker 2: sometime in May an advance a Memorial Day weekend and
Speaker 2: tribute to veterans.
Speaker 4: Okay, Dan, wonderful being on.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Very welcome, Ron, thank you so much. We're going to
Speaker 2: take a quick break here as we get ready for
Speaker 2: our next guest, who is really going to be an
Speaker 2: interesting guest. His name is John Wilson. He was indicted
Speaker 2: in the Varsity Blues College admission scandal, and he was
Speaker 2: his conviction was overturned and he is now suing USC
Speaker 2: and Netflix over the coverage and the fallout of the
Speaker 2: Varsity Blue scandal. We'll talk to John Wilson. I believe
Speaker 2: he's a Massachusetts resident if I'm not mistaken, So again
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Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on wbzs Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. I'd like to welcome an extraordinary guest,
Speaker 2: John Wilson. Wilson, Welcome to Nightside. You have done what
Speaker 2: very few people have been able to do, and that
Speaker 2: is successfully appeal an indictment and a conviction in federal court.
Speaker 2: So congratulations on clearing your name. People might remember your
Speaker 2: name from the so called Varsity's the Varsity Blues college
Speaker 2: admission scandal. No, we only have a few minutes, but
Speaker 2: I'd like you to explain what you and your family
Speaker 2: went through when their accusations leveled against you and your
Speaker 2: family that you believed were absolutely unsubstantiated.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so thanks for being here. It's literally been a
Speaker 5: daily nightmare for over six years for my entire family.
Speaker 5: This case not only affected me, but my wife who
Speaker 5: had to watch our children every day suffer and literally
Speaker 5: I had to watch her cry herself to sleep almost
Speaker 5: every night. And our children were attacked not by schoolyard bullies,
Speaker 5: but by federal prosecutors who falsely smeared them as being unqualified.
Speaker 5: And my daughters, I had twin daughters. They're only sixteen
Speaker 5: when this happened, and my son was just twenty one.
Speaker 5: They were all in school. My daughters were in high school,
Speaker 5: my son was in college. And it's been devastating this
Speaker 5: entire time.
Speaker 2: So the indictment came down in what year?
Speaker 5: I came down in twenty nineteen, so just over sixteen.
Speaker 2: That's six years ago. And the trial was held in
Speaker 2: federal court here in Boston, one of a series of trials. Frankly,
Speaker 2: and I must tell you, as a lawyer, I know
Speaker 2: how difficult it is to be in federal court on
Speaker 2: the defended side of the bar, because the Feds have
Speaker 2: a very high success rate. Who was the the US
Speaker 2: attorney that brought the case, and it was who was
Speaker 2: in charge of the office that brought the case at
Speaker 2: that time.
Speaker 5: When it was first brought. It was Andrew Lelling. He
Speaker 5: was the lead US attorney in Boston. And it is
Speaker 5: a dramatic experience. The federal government has a success rate.
Speaker 5: They have a conviction rate of ninety nine point six percent.
Speaker 5: And so when you're taking on the federal government, those
Speaker 5: are the odds that the lawyers. My lawyers told me,
Speaker 5: and it was a very difficult decision. They said, the
Speaker 5: government has a ninety nine point six percent conviction rate.
Speaker 5: It's going to take years. It's going to cost you
Speaker 5: millions of dollars to fight them, even if you're innocent.
Speaker 5: That was a set of decisions we had to make.
Speaker 2: But you did fight them. You were convicted, but it
Speaker 2: was overturned on appeal.
Speaker 5: Right, our case was fundamentally different than every other case,
Speaker 5: every other parent here. So to put this in perspective,
Speaker 5: Singer had three thousand parent clients. Right, Singer was the ringleaders.
Speaker 2: This was the guy that's the singer when you say
Speaker 2: singer of just in my audience recalls who claimed an
Speaker 2: ability to get pique people into school by hooka, by craft,
Speaker 2: It's really good colleges by hooka by krunk. Correct.
Speaker 5: Yes, he was the ring, ring leader and central com
Speaker 5: man in this figure. But again to put in perspective,
Speaker 5: he had three thousand clients, only thirty two were charged.
Speaker 5: He had what they called dark side accounts and wholesome accounts.
Speaker 5: His dark side accounts were only one percent of his clients.
Speaker 5: Ninety nine percent of his accounts were never charged. They
Speaker 5: were wholesome parents like me that didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 5: So what happened is these thirty parents were all convicted.
Speaker 5: They all played guilty. Thirty parents played guilty, and they
Speaker 5: had very bad facts. Our facts were completely different. Those
Speaker 5: parents had kids who weren't qualified, so they were cheating
Speaker 5: on tests. They were bribing coaches and their falsifying academic
Speaker 5: and athletic profiles for their children to get their unqualified
Speaker 5: children into colleges. We didn't do any of those things.
Speaker 2: And yet you were sort of the fish that was
Speaker 2: sneered in the net. I guess would be the way, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: to describe it.
Speaker 5: I think it was worse than that. I think they
Speaker 5: actually purposely went after us because of Singer's three thousand clients,
Speaker 5: there was only one in Massachusetts. So the Massachusetts prosecutors,
Speaker 5: the federal prosecutors base in Massachusetts, they first uncovered this
Speaker 5: case from a tip, a random, unrelated tip from a
Speaker 5: person in Connecticut on a separate crime. They quickly started
Speaker 5: pulling on that thread, they found Hollywood celebrities and other
Speaker 5: rich and famous people from California. But they needed to
Speaker 5: get jurisdiction if they wanted to bring this high profile
Speaker 5: case to Boston, and so part of their battle the
Speaker 5: turf battles between offices would be dependent upon having at
Speaker 5: least one defendant in Massachusetts and then declaring a false
Speaker 5: conspiracy so then they could bring the trials for Lori Laughlin,
Speaker 5: Felicity Huffman, and all the other people in California to Boston.
Speaker 5: So they needed one Boston parent to help make that
Speaker 5: conspiracy case and to help make the trials take place here.
Speaker 2: Did anybody move change of venue since the majority of
Speaker 2: the defenders, I guess we're California based or West Coast base.
Speaker 2: It makes all the sense in the world that that
Speaker 2: case should be tried in California, and you would have
Speaker 2: had to go back, and you know, you have had
Speaker 2: the inconvenience having to go to California for your case,
Speaker 2: But it seems to me unfair and inappropriate that all
Speaker 2: of those other people had to had their case tried
Speaker 2: here as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was challenged multiple times and the end it
Speaker 5: ended up being two hundred and fifty people who had
Speaker 5: to fly back and forth. When you include the witnesses,
Speaker 5: the defendants, and the lawyers and the FBI between California
Speaker 5: and Boston. Two undred and fifty flew back and forth.
Speaker 5: And I was the only one parent in masses. It's
Speaker 5: so I was driving to the courtroom. It would have
Speaker 5: been much easier for me to fly to California if
Speaker 5: that was really what they wanted to do, but that
Speaker 5: clearly wasn't what they wanted to do. They wanted to
Speaker 5: have all the trials in Boston, the Boston prosecutors, so
Speaker 5: it didn't matter my having overwhelming evidence.
Speaker 2: And these are the most part we're college we're West
Speaker 2: Coast colleges too, USC most of so the good right,
Speaker 2: So the good news is that this unjust conviction of
Speaker 2: you and your family overturned. But then I guess there
Speaker 2: was a Netflix story which incorporated you and did not
Speaker 2: appropriately characterize what was the final result in you. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you're suing Netflix in USC. You've also written a book,
Speaker 2: and I hope that some of our listeners will purchase
Speaker 2: that book. Give us the name of the book. Is
Speaker 2: it out yet or no?
Speaker 5: Is it a vailable It just comes out today. It's
Speaker 5: out today on Amazon and all the other websites. It's
Speaker 5: called Varsity Blues, the Scandal within the Scandal, and all
Speaker 5: the proceeds in the book go to three charities. It's
Speaker 5: not about making money. This is about clearing the record
Speaker 5: and clearing our name and getting the truth out there.
Speaker 5: And so one of the things that made us very
Speaker 5: different than the other parents was our children were all qualified.
Speaker 5: My twin daughter's got a perfect score and a nine
Speaker 5: ninety percentile score on the ACT. Fewer than five thousand
Speaker 5: kids out of one point eight million get a perfect score,
Speaker 5: and they didn't cheat. My son was a Division I
Speaker 5: level player who had a world record in swimming and
Speaker 5: who was playing on Stanford club teams for six years
Speaker 5: year round, whose high school coach recommended him for the team,
Speaker 5: and he joined the USC team and played on the team.
Speaker 5: And so we didn't do the things these other parents did.
Speaker 5: But we were lumped in for venue and then we
Speaker 5: were smeared falsely by Netflix. And so Netflix they issued
Speaker 5: a movie they called it a documentary, that was released
Speaker 5: three months before my trial, and so they poisoned the
Speaker 5: jury pool. They have an audience, they have two hundred
Speaker 5: and eighty million subscribers, five hundred million, half a billion
Speaker 5: viewers in one hundred and ninety countries, and they put
Speaker 5: together a film with a dozen parents who played guilty
Speaker 5: and me, and we gave them a warning letter before
Speaker 5: the movie came out. We said, because it was pre announced,
Speaker 5: We said, if you're gonna put John Wilson, here are
Speaker 5: the facts. We gave him a five hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: page warning letter with all of the facts, and they
Speaker 5: ignored it. And they included all of our facts, including
Speaker 5: a polygraph. I voluntarily took a polograph test with the
Speaker 5: head of the FBI Polygraph Division and the head of
Speaker 5: the CIA Polygraph School and polygraph program worldwide. I passed
Speaker 5: two days of polygraph test fully with flying colors. They
Speaker 5: had all of that evidence, and they just ignored it
Speaker 5: and went with their movie anyway, which smeared me and
Speaker 5: polluted the jury.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully they will. They will pay the piper. John.
Speaker 2: We've run out of time here, but I got to
Speaker 2: tell you the integrity in your voice, you hear it
Speaker 2: in your voice. Congratulations, and I wish you continued success,
Speaker 2: and I hope that you get your day in court
Speaker 2: against Netflix, uh and uh, and whoever whoever defamed you
Speaker 2: and your family pays the price. And obviously Netflix at
Speaker 2: this point I think is going to be called, be
Speaker 2: called in front of the bar of justice. Ironically. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much, John. Again, the book book comes.
Speaker 5: Out to today today, Just come.
Speaker 2: My Varsity Blues Scandal within a scandal, Netflix everywhere rather
Speaker 2: Amazon dot Com everywhere, And I know I'm gonna try
Speaker 2: to get a copy because I want to. I followed
Speaker 2: those cases, but I did not follow them as closely
Speaker 2: as I would have liked. That was in my role
Speaker 2: as a talk show host, not as a TV reporter.
Speaker 2: If I'd been a TV reporter, I probably would have
Speaker 2: been in court there every day watching the case unfold.
Speaker 2: Congratulations to you and your family.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You're very welcome. All Right, we're gonna take a break
Speaker 2: new that's a great interesting story. I mean to actually
Speaker 2: win even on appeal in federal court. That's a hill
Speaker 2: to climb. Back on Nights side with two more great
Speaker 2: guests and two more great topics, and then we'll get
Speaker 2: to the phone call portion of the program, and we're
Speaker 2: going to start off talking about the Karen retrial, which
Speaker 2: restarted today.
Speaker 5: With Dan Ray.
Speaker 1: I'm Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you very much. Let's get to our
Speaker 2: next guest, John Schultz. He's a technology in an AI
Speaker 2: artificial intelligent expert. He's founder and CEO of a website
Speaker 2: called easy Locator, and he's going to talk to us
Speaker 2: about jen Z graduates. So these would be people who
Speaker 2: have really just graduated from college. They would be in
Speaker 2: sort of the twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, twenty five,
Speaker 2: twenty six, twenty seven range. People who were born after
Speaker 2: two thousand and twelve. No, I may be wrong on
Speaker 2: I get my dates mixed up on this. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Gen Z people were born from ninety six to twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: so they could be anywhere from I guess twelve to
Speaker 2: twenty eight is the eighth So there are some of them.
Speaker 2: I got the right age, but a lot of them
Speaker 2: are younger. John Schultz, Welcome to NIGHTSID. Sorry about that confusion.
Speaker 2: How are you tonight?
Speaker 4: I am wonderful tonight. How about yourself?
Speaker 2: I get my gen Z, my millennials, my boomers, my
Speaker 2: gen X, sometimes my gen y sometimes mixed up. These
Speaker 2: are the people who were born from ninety six to
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. So a lot of them are still in
Speaker 2: junior high school, but some some are on the older
Speaker 2: end of the spectrum here, could have actually graduated from
Speaker 2: a two year or a four year for that matter,
Speaker 2: even done some graduate degree work. And they feel, or
Speaker 2: some of them say, their college degrees were a waste
Speaker 2: of time and money. How do they know that at
Speaker 2: this point they're just out of college.
Speaker 4: Well, I think what they're doing is they're looking at
Speaker 4: their predecessors.
Speaker 6: And you know, one of the things that you know,
Speaker 6: I look at, and I look at from an education perspective,
Speaker 6: there's some fault within the education system, you know, especially
Speaker 6: in the college ranks, that I don't think really adequately
Speaker 6: prepare people for the fast pace of the business world.
Speaker 4: Technology in the nineties.
Speaker 6: You know, it was really kind of when it started
Speaker 6: to take off tremendously, when the Internet was starting to
Speaker 6: roll out and things.
Speaker 4: Of that nature.
Speaker 6: Information with really going at light speed. And what I see,
Speaker 6: and I even saw that with my own educational you know,
Speaker 6: I've got a Bachelor of Science and mechanical engineering, and
Speaker 6: I look back and I say, you know, I have
Speaker 6: never ever designed an air conditioner I've never ever built
Speaker 6: a bridge, and here I am in the midst of
Speaker 6: the technology boom that wasn't even talked about when I
Speaker 6: was in college. So, you know, I think that the
Speaker 6: piece that I look at if I'm counseling a young
Speaker 6: person looking at trying to basically launch a career, is
Speaker 6: keep your eyes in the ears open.
Speaker 4: You know. I view that the education.
Speaker 6: Market has a credentialing issue. You know, if you look
Speaker 6: at you know, universities and colleges, it's all about basically,
Speaker 6: you know, credentially, you know, it's all about ten years.
Speaker 6: It's all about that, and it's not really reacting to
Speaker 6: the marketplace, you know, so you see that kind of lagging.
Speaker 6: Now there is going to some requirements for credentially, you know,
Speaker 6: I think, you know, medical doctors is one maybe the
Speaker 6: legal profession of things of that nature. But there's so
Speaker 6: much information at your fingertips. In fact, you know, I've
Speaker 6: gone to the doctor and have kidding he said, Okay,
Speaker 6: we're about ready to perform this procedure here. Did you
Speaker 6: check that out on YouTube last night and get the
Speaker 6: latest egos? In some cases I've actually heard yes, they said,
Speaker 6: you know that information is out there and available to
Speaker 6: them instantaneously that may have changed. So so again that's
Speaker 6: the biggest challenge is is that things are changing so
Speaker 6: quickly that education is becoming very costly and it's really
Speaker 6: not producing the results that a student may want want
Speaker 6: to do. You know, I'm a big fan of micro
Speaker 6: and his dirty jobs and you know, and what he's.
Speaker 4: Trying to promote is make sure trying to promote.
Speaker 6: Is you know, we don't have enough skilled people in
Speaker 6: the workforce. And I can use you know, any kind
Speaker 6: of skilled trade out there. Electrician, be it an HVAC,
Speaker 6: person of learning air conditioning, being a plumber. The technology
Speaker 6: is being introduced into those trades at lightning speed, and
Speaker 6: so a person that adapts to that and opens their
Speaker 6: eyes and basically is willing to learn, then they're going
Speaker 6: to basically be way ahead and be very successful. You know,
Speaker 6: I remember the day when you know, parents wanted their
Speaker 6: children to go to college because they didn't have the opportunity. Well,
Speaker 6: now that parents have had that opportunity, I think many
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Speaker 6: therefore I would if I had you know, a young child,
Speaker 6: a gen z er looking at going to college.
Speaker 4: I would actually say, what do you want to do
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we have undervalued you know what we
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Speaker 2: a great field to study, but how big a demand
Speaker 2: are there for archaeology majors. I don't think it's that
Speaker 2: that intense, And so we're on the same page. The
Speaker 2: micro argument is the argument that I firmly believe in,
Speaker 2: and obviously you do as well. And it's interesting that
Speaker 2: gen Z grads are now sort of in the forefront
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Speaker 2: colleges charge these days. There's a lot of stuff going
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Speaker 2: is not a linear experience. It has its ups and
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Speaker 2: right from start to finish, simple as that. John Schultz,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your call and your time tonight.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the conversation.
Speaker 4: You bet my pleasure. Have a great evening. Thank you,
Speaker 4: right back at you.
Speaker 2: Okay, you too. We came back on talk with criminal
Speaker 2: defense attorney Phil Tracy about the opening of Karen Reid's
Speaker 2: retrial started today.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Well, Karen Reid retrial, it's underway today with all of
Speaker 2: the legal jockeying of the last few months, is uh,
Speaker 2: it began again today with us as criminal defense attorney
Speaker 2: Phil Tracy. Phil has handled many cases like that, Phil,
Speaker 2: Good evening, How are you, sir? Well let me let
Speaker 2: me play just a portion of the opening statement by
Speaker 2: Alan Jackson, Read's defense lawyer. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: how much of a time today between your own work
Speaker 2: you had a chance.
Speaker 7: To wa Yeah, I've watched the cave.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay. So there's a little bit of Alan Jackson.
Speaker 2: This is Karen Read's defense lawyer. Cut number twenty four
Speaker 2: A please, Rob.
Speaker 7: So how did we end up here?
Speaker 8: How'd Karen Reid end up sitting in that chair on
Speaker 8: trial for something, for an event that literally never happened. Well,
Speaker 8: the evidence is going to explain it, and it can
Speaker 8: be summed up in the following text message at the
Speaker 8: very beginning of this investigation, a text message of a
Speaker 8: now fired Massachusetts State Police officer.
Speaker 1: Named Michael Proctor.
Speaker 8: He was the lead investigator on this case, and he
Speaker 8: was talking about a fellow officer, a fellow cop who
Speaker 8: owned the property where John O'Keefe's body was found. Text
Speaker 8: message with a buddy question, is the homeowner going to
Speaker 8: catch any answer? Nope, he's a Boston cup too. That
Speaker 8: quote defines the lack of integrity of the Commonwealth's entire case,
Speaker 8: its entire investigation, and this prosecution.
Speaker 2: I thought Jackson had a pretty good opening today. I
Speaker 2: was wondering what your thought was.
Speaker 7: Well, I thought, in a case this long, and I'll
Speaker 7: cite the O. J. Simpson case for instance, a case
Speaker 7: that goes on this long, the opening is forgotten. The
Speaker 7: closing is more important. Now, if you have a two
Speaker 7: day trial, you know the opening is very important. But
Speaker 7: in this case, there's so much confusion, both inside and
Speaker 7: outside the court for about what's the proper way to proceed.
Speaker 7: What are the rules? And obviously, you know it's a
Speaker 7: circus atmosphere out there and inside the courtroom. The judge
Speaker 7: has to keep the lid on everything. And I found
Speaker 7: out that or I heard as you did too, that
Speaker 7: she was angry about something that the defense had done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some discovery or some information about a
Speaker 2: couple of witnesses.
Speaker 7: With the really spect of you. I don't know, it's
Speaker 7: not cronyism because they are claiming the police it's cronyism,
Speaker 7: but there's something Terribleutts, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Well, I think she's accusing the defense and she's accused
Speaker 2: him before. Kind of gamesmanship, I think would be the
Speaker 2: proper term.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and many.
Speaker 2: Not going to be pleased with that, as you better.
Speaker 7: As you know, they're not going to be you know.
Speaker 7: But I thought Brendan did a good job himself, so
Speaker 7: I think they sort of cancel each other out at
Speaker 7: that point. But I think the big thing from today
Speaker 7: is the picture of her played for the jury, and
Speaker 7: she does not seem to be in any way sorry
Speaker 7: about the death of this man who was her boyfriend.
Speaker 7: And you know, if I was on, if I wouldn't
Speaker 7: have let her talk, but they did. And now, of
Speaker 7: course they were under a gag order, so she's talking
Speaker 7: all the time. But I would have said say things like,
Speaker 7: I'm terribly sorry about this terrible accident, but I didn't
Speaker 7: do it, and my boyfriend has gone and his mother's
Speaker 7: lost a son. And the guy was a great guy.
Speaker 7: He adopted two children from his sister who had died.
Speaker 7: So I mean this, I don't like it all. That's
Speaker 7: it looks like he's glorying in her nineteen fifty minutes
Speaker 7: of fame. But I'm argument.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm just saying you would think that that
Speaker 2: her lawyers would have cautioned her. Maybe they should have.
Speaker 2: Would have many lawyers would have said, uh, you're not
Speaker 2: doing interviews until this trial is over. But if she insisted,
Speaker 2: they should have had someone sit with her and prep
Speaker 2: her and all things like that to make sure that
Speaker 2: there wasn't something like this. And that is that's an
Speaker 2: area that the new prosecutor, Hank Brennan, is gonna.
Speaker 7: Matter that wasn't there in the first trial. And I
Speaker 7: think that's that's a piece of evidence that's gonna gonna
Speaker 7: hurt her side. Now, whether it can overcome proof beyond
Speaker 7: a reasonable doubt and that in the bad behavior of
Speaker 7: all of the police involved in the case. Now you've
Speaker 7: got a real balance between proof beyond the reason that
Speaker 7: which is a very hard thing because it's not an
Speaker 7: absolute doubt, as as you already know, and it means
Speaker 7: it has to be enough doubt that you would raise
Speaker 7: your eye brow. And in this case, it may be
Speaker 7: built into the case. You know, so that prosecution is
Speaker 7: at a disadvantage because of so many lateral issues going
Speaker 7: on with the case.
Speaker 2: Well, it's gonna it's going to take a few weeks
Speaker 2: and eventually, hopefully there will be a verdict one way
Speaker 2: or the other. I am still amazed, Phil, and I'd
Speaker 2: love to you know, you've you've handled some high profile cases,
Speaker 2: and I realize all the arguments that are made, but
Speaker 2: I'm just stunned that this case is drawing so much attention,
Speaker 2: not just regionally.
Speaker 7: But national news. David Muir on The News knocked about
Speaker 7: the impanelment.
Speaker 2: There's a lot there's there's a lot of high profile cases. O. J. Simpson.
Speaker 2: I get, you know, actor, football star, Heisman Trophy winner,
Speaker 2: and I get, but boy, there's something about this and
Speaker 2: maybe we're too close to see it, but I couldn't
Speaker 2: imagine a case let us say out of Seattle or
Speaker 2: San Francisco, you know, or would be Galveston, Texas where
Speaker 2: there's another accident that they'd be struggling over. I don't know. Phil.
Speaker 2: We will have you back, you know, throughout this always. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let us hope so it can come to a conclusion
Speaker 2: and hopefully Justin will be justices. By the way, we
Speaker 2: are going to talk about this in the next hour,
Speaker 2: Phil Out, I'm going to save you for your expertise
Speaker 2: area and we'll open up phone lines right after nine
Speaker 2: o'clock to see what people think about the retravel the case.
Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend, we'll talk to him. Phil. All right,
Speaker 2: My name is Ray and this is Nightside and we
Speaker 2: are ready to go to the conversation part of the
Speaker 2: program right after the nine o'clock news, and it's going
Speaker 2: to talk about the Karen Reatrout. I have a lot
Speaker 2: of the opening sound from the prosecutor, Hank Brennan, the
Speaker 2: special prosecutor in this case, and the defense attorney, the
Speaker 2: lead defense attorney, Alan Jackson, and but most importantly I
Speaker 2: want to hear from you. What do you think Do
Speaker 2: you think it will be it will be a different result,
Speaker 2: and in which way will it fall. I can't imagine
Speaker 2: we're going to get into the hung jury. I certainly
Speaker 2: don't think we could deal with that. Hopefully we will
Speaker 2: get either a series of acquittals or a series of convictions,
Speaker 2: or some combination thereof. Back on Nightside, right after the
Speaker 2: nine o'clock news,