1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:13,039 We are literally shaking right now. Today we have internet 3 00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:17,640 superstar Josh Cider with us. We've played many a clip 4 00:00:18,199 --> 00:00:23,839 of his on our show. He has been misgendered, mispigmented, 5 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:31,600 miss specied, miss indigenated, and today we get to find 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,960 out who he really is. So first things first, Josh, 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,759 how have you been aggrieved today? 8 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: Uh? 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,399 Speaker 3: Today, nothing so far. I'm a little apprehensive because you 10 00:00:42,439 --> 00:00:46,000 guys are interviewing me, but I'm hoping that everything's okay 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,399 and I don't have to get counseling for it, so 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:49,359 we'll see how it is. 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,359 Speaker 4: It won't hurt We won't hurt you. I promise it 14 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:56,479 won't be that that painful. Like, Okay, so you you 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,759 said that you're in Chicago. You're Chicago guy. 16 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:01,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I actually grew up I'm not. I grew 17 00:01:01,479 --> 00:01:04,680 up two hours south in a college town called Champagne, Urbana, 18 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:07,480 where the University of Illinois is. But I came to 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Chicago in twenty ten for law school. Actually go figure, 20 00:01:12,079 --> 00:01:14,439 and I've been here for the last fifteen years. 21 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:18,439 Speaker 4: So okay, Chicago. I used to live in Roscoe Village, 22 00:01:18,439 --> 00:01:19,879 which is right near Wrigleyville. 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,519 Speaker 2: I live two blocks from there. 24 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,359 Speaker 4: Yet oh my gosh, okay, yeah, because I love it there. 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,120 I don't think I live there now because I'm a 26 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:27,920 little afraid of Like, how do you feel about the 27 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,920 safety and the mayor and the government there and like 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,959 all the leadership, how do you feel about that right now? 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question Pritzker. You know, he's a raging, 30 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:39,959 woke liberal to think every day he's saying something that's 31 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,239 utterly irrelevant and not germane to the issues that are 32 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,840 facing Chicago. And so he's talking about how homelessness is 33 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,680 caused by racism and Trump's a fascist. It's just like, dude, 34 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:55,840 there's armed robberies, carjackings, homicides going on all the time. 35 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:58,760 How about we address these issues? And all he does 36 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:01,359 is virtue signal and then bring in Johnson's the mayor, 37 00:02:02,159 --> 00:02:05,319 and like Glory Lightfoot, all he does is virtue signal 38 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:08,319 all the time. I mean, I'm sure obviously you ladies 39 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,360 see it every day, you talk about it every day, 40 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,400 you watch them being interviewed, any woke liberal and it's 41 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:18,879 like you're watching a clown show. So it's just nauseating 42 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,039 listening to them. But where I'm at, just west of Wrigley, 43 00:02:23,199 --> 00:02:27,439 is nice, but there's parts of Chicago that are very dangerous. 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 4: So yep, yep, yeah. 45 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: God, I haven't heard the name Lori Lightfoot in a 46 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:34,759 mercifully long time. 47 00:02:36,039 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 4: Don't say it three times because then it's like beatlejic. 48 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:44,319 Speaker 2: She looks like beetlejuice. Actually there's eerie result. Yeah for real. 49 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:47,479 Speaker 1: So, Josh, when you I think most people got to 50 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,439 know you and your work, not from like The Bachelor 51 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:55,680 forever ago, but from your first major troll, which was 52 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,840 transitioning to be a woman, and it was so affect 53 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,560 for so long that genuinely. 54 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,439 Speaker 4: I was like, is he serious? 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,039 Speaker 1: Like I cannot really tell. And then finally you came 56 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,639 out and you I think it was with Alex Stein. 57 00:03:11,719 --> 00:03:13,520 You were finally like, this is a big fat troll 58 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,120 and here's why I did it. How long did you 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,919 actually keep that up for and how like how much 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,919 of your life did you dedicate to it? 61 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:23,879 Speaker 4: Off camera? 62 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, great question. I mean, like any trans woman, 63 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:30,960 I'm just trolling and cause playing as a woman, so 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,560 I was just a dude and make up like the 65 00:03:32,599 --> 00:03:36,000 rest of them, and off camera when I wasn't making posts. 66 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:39,599 I was never you know, wearing these outfits or putting 67 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:41,840 on lipstick. It was it would be like I would 68 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,960 post maybe two or three times a week. And so 69 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,000 for that two hour period when I was filming, I 70 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,159 would put on the makeup that would take like half 71 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:51,719 an hour, and then I'd walk outside, usually in a 72 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:55,560 heavy coat in the middle of Chicago summer, because unlike 73 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,360 most trans women, I'm not a pervert, so I didn't 74 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,080 want little kid had seen me like this. And then 75 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:04,520 for the like two minutes that I was filming a skit, 76 00:04:04,639 --> 00:04:06,919 I take the heavy coat off and do it. But 77 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:10,400 other than that, I was only portraying that when I 78 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:11,120 was on camera. 79 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 4: So how long did it last? 80 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,319 Speaker 3: How long it was six months until I did the 81 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,639 Alex Stein reveal? 82 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, was that your plan all along? Or was 83 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,240 it kind of organic? Like because because you talk about 84 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,160 being a lawyer, which I think that those are transferable skills, right, 85 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,800 because you if you were really honestly, because bear with me, 86 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,040 because as a lawyer, you go in and you're obviously 87 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,560 a good debater, right, Like, you have a point you're 88 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,439 trying to make, you can debate, you can argue a point, 89 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:43,720 and I feel like that's kind of what you're doing here, 90 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,000 Like you're over six month period. You were trying to 91 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,399 prove a point, and you did. You've proven a couple points, 92 00:04:51,519 --> 00:04:53,439 you know, and I think people were duped and so 93 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,519 they were you proved your argument. 94 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,399 Speaker 3: That's such a great question and great point. So I 95 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,759 was doing exactly what a does. I was using reducio 96 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,160 ad absurdum to say, look, if we take what these 97 00:05:04,199 --> 00:05:07,000 woke people are saying at face value that men can 98 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,480 magically become women when they cross dress, then we have 99 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,720 to accept Josh Sider with a full beard, throwing on 100 00:05:14,759 --> 00:05:17,240 a dressing lipstick, and you must accept me as a 101 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,079 woman because the medical guidelines say you don't have to transition, 102 00:05:21,399 --> 00:05:23,920 you don't need to get surgery, you simply need to 103 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:26,600 self identify as a woman. And that was the rule 104 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:29,720 of law under Biden as well, not just the medical guidelines. 105 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,199 And you are a woman. So I said, all right, 106 00:05:32,759 --> 00:05:35,079 let's do it. Then Josh is a woman. You have 107 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,079 to accept it. And they were I think their brains 108 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,000 were short circuiting because they were seeing how ridiculous it was. 109 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,319 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was such a masterful troll on so 110 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:48,079 many levels, and now you know, you're you're coming up 111 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:52,560 with new ways to identify all the time, not just 112 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,600 for you, but like for your. 113 00:05:54,399 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 4: Fake baby and all of it. So how do you 114 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:57,639 do that? 115 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: Like how at some point you've got run out right, 116 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,959 Like there's gonna be there's got to be a finite 117 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,720 amount of identifying that you can do. 118 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,519 Speaker 4: How do you come up with these things? 119 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: Well, that's a great question. It's something I do think about. 120 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,639 But thankfully, woke people are so dumb and what they 121 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,519 believe is so stupid and unprincipled that I think I 122 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,519 actually have an infinite amount of material thanks to them. 123 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:25,079 So it will one day, you know, I'll have to 124 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:28,079 maybe do something else. But these people there, it's such 125 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,519 a clown show that it makes it so easy to 126 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,639 mock them. And I think that's what needs to happen, 127 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,439 because they're actually hurting people, and we're seeing, you know, 128 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,720 little what's going on with children and how they're brainwashing them. 129 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:42,439 I think it's necessary that we mock them. I think 130 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,680 they're deserving of derision, and I'm going to do it 131 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,120 as long as I can until this stuff is out 132 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,600 of our schools and kind of out of the popular nomenclature. 133 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: I think that's very important. 134 00:06:52,759 --> 00:06:55,759 Speaker 4: Did this affect your personal life? Like did when when 135 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,040 you did this? Because I would imagine there's some people 136 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,240 that you're close to that were like, okay, I kind 137 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:01,720 of know that he's doing this as a troll, But 138 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,680 then there may have been people that you're just acquaintances 139 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,160 with that are like, I don't know what the hell's 140 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:07,480 going on with this guy, or like, I mean, just 141 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:11,279 personally to people, go okay, because obviously you're kind of 142 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:14,319 a right minded guy. You're sort of at least on 143 00:07:14,399 --> 00:07:16,720 this issue. I don't know where you stand politically, like 144 00:07:16,959 --> 00:07:21,240 just generally, but on this issue you are conservative, it 145 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:23,680 seems so. I mean, are there people that look at 146 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,879 you and go, okay, now we can't be friends anymore? 147 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,560 Has this affected some of your relationships just you doing this? 148 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:32,879 Speaker 3: That's a great question. Luckily, everyone except liberals has a 149 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,879 great sense of humor. So because most none of my 150 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:38,439 friends are liberals, they all thought it was hilarious, and 151 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:40,560 some of them weren't sure if I was doing it 152 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:43,079 in jest or if I was earnest about it. But 153 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,759 they all have a sense of humor, and they're like, 154 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,439 look if you're doing a joke. Man, we you know 155 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:51,160 that's hilarious. If you're not, I totally support you. But whatever, 156 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:53,800 So either way you cut it, everyone was kind of 157 00:07:53,959 --> 00:07:56,079 cool with it. But I didn't nobody knew that I 158 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,839 was doing a troll other than my best friend and 159 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:01,759 my brother, and so when people would ask me, I 160 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,600 would just give them kind of an ambiguous answer. But 161 00:08:04,639 --> 00:08:07,519 the only people I think to get really angry about it, 162 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,879 ironically were woke liberals, which is funny because they made 163 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,399 up the rules that I'm playing by. I'm just playing 164 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:16,000 by their rules, so get mad at the science. 165 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,879 Speaker 4: That's so, that's so interesting that the people on the 166 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:23,759 right were the tolerant ones, right surprise Haha, Yeah, that's 167 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:24,639 super interesting. 168 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,759 Speaker 2: But a lot of people were confused by it. 169 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: To answer your question, close close personal friends were like 170 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:32,399 very confused, and then when I did the reveal, it 171 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,159 all made sense. 172 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, okay. 173 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: Well and even still like to this day, sometimes when 174 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:40,240 we'll grab one of your recent videos to play to 175 00:08:40,279 --> 00:08:42,519 our audience, we can see the comments where people are 176 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,080 like that guy is just such a loser, Like they 177 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:48,720 genuinely believe what you're saying, and we're like, no, no, no, no, no, 178 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:51,399 this is it's parody. It's you know, he's being ironic. 179 00:08:51,399 --> 00:08:54,279 It's hilarious. He's awesome, and you should follow him. And 180 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,320 here's why, because this is that's how effective what you're 181 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,480 doing is it is so believable, right, yeah, And so 182 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,879 because so many people are confused, and because you are 183 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:08,759 a bit of a mystery, we wanted to try to 184 00:09:08,799 --> 00:09:11,039 peel the onion a little bit. I mean, if you search, 185 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:13,559 like if you do a Google search on your name, 186 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:18,240 you know you're going to read that you've been bisexual, gay, trans, black, 187 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,120 a firefighter, a reality show contestant, a. 188 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 4: Model, like all lawyer, a lawyer. 189 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:27,919 Speaker 1: So who is the real Josh Sider? 190 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. 191 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: I do think I'm kind of enigmatic to most of 192 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,039 the public. So yeah, I some of that stuff, most 193 00:09:36,039 --> 00:09:38,080 of what's on the internet is not true. 194 00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: Some of it is. 195 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: I actually was a firefighter for a year. I was 196 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:44,840 working at a volunteer fire department, which I think seventy 197 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,519 percent of our nation's fire departments are volunteers. So I 198 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,919 did that as a senior in college. I'm not bisexual, 199 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,759 I'm not gay, shocker, I'm not a woman. I hate 200 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:57,159 to break it to you guys, and I'm not black, 201 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,840 but if you follow the science, you might think I am. 202 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,320 You might be confused, But I'm just a I grew up. 203 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,080 I was homeschooled my whole life, with the exception of 204 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,399 one year in a small town in Champagne or Banna, Illinois. 205 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,320 I went on to the University of Illinois and got 206 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,279 a sociology degree, which kind of fueled my desire to 207 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,399 do a social experiment. And then I went on and 208 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,120 got my law degree. But most of what's online about 209 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,960 me is fake people I dated, allegedly dated, or how 210 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,159 I identify. But I like to think of myself as 211 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,559 a libertarian. I'm very inspired by William F. Buckley, Junior, 212 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:42,080 Thomas Sole. I think that Charlie modern day. I think 213 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,600 Charlie Kirk is great. I think what he's doing is 214 00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:48,919 great work. But I tend to lean libertarian conservative. But 215 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,480 I would mostly describe myself as anti woke, and so 216 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,440 anything that is woke, I'm anti that, and that's kind 217 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,279 of the impetus behind everything I do online. But I'm 218 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,559 just a thirty eight year old guy. I think with 219 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,919 a sense of humor, and I think it's resonating with 220 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:05,879 a lot of people. 221 00:11:06,919 --> 00:11:10,039 Speaker 4: I love that. So obviously your death was not real 222 00:11:10,159 --> 00:11:11,919 in twenty twenty three that. 223 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 3: Way, now liberals might be confused, But yes, I'm not dead. 224 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: Shock was that? 225 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 4: Seriously? How did that happen? Josh? 226 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:21,519 Speaker 2: What was that all about? 227 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: So my account got hacked in a statement was posted, 228 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,919 and so it ended up just going insanely viral and 229 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,279 everyone was picking up on it saying I was dead, 230 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:34,519 and then I got back into my account and had 231 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:35,960 to announce that I was alive. 232 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: But I see how, like so. 233 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 3: Many I'm always the subject of controversy, So I can 234 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,799 see how people might be like, what is going on 235 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:44,559 with this guy? 236 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: But was it? 237 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,279 Speaker 4: Kind of we were talking before we went on and 238 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,600 like in pre show here, and I was like, in 239 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:52,799 a way, it'd be kind of cool, like if somebody 240 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:54,440 said that you were Diggs and you can see like 241 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,480 who actually mourned you and who doesn't like you? Can 242 00:11:58,600 --> 00:11:59,879 you know what I mean? It's kind of like going 243 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,799 It's kind of like floating above your own funeral. So 244 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,679 I wonder if you had that experience, like if you 245 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,399 could see people online going, oh I loved him so much, 246 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,519 he was so great, Like if those are the people that. 247 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: Are people that like you thought liked you, who were 248 00:12:12,039 --> 00:12:13,279 like I never liked that guy. 249 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 4: Guy was a jerk. I never liked him anyway, you 250 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,600 know what I mean, Like, did you experience any of that? 251 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, you know a little bit. 252 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,159 Speaker 3: I saw what people were saying, and it was actually 253 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,879 mostly you know, compassionate, and I felt horrible that these 254 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:29,000 people were going through these emotions and like, you know, 255 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,639 seriously struggling with the fact that they thought I was dead. 256 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,320 So I actually felt terrible about that. It's all kind 257 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,960 of become I think, part of like the lore that 258 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,600 surrounds the craziness that is me. So but I do 259 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:45,799 feel bad for that, and I wouldn't want anyone to. 260 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,320 You know, my dad died and my grandparents died all 261 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,720 within the last few years, and so I understand death 262 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,600 is very traumatic. And yeah, I kind I do feel 263 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,639 bad that all of that. 264 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 4: Like, what what a crazy easy thing that was? It 265 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,120 was just so nuts that was and it lives forever, right, 266 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,200 It's on the internet forever. You're just like, can we 267 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:08,919 just get that off of their Yeah. 268 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the internet does. 269 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 4: Look that's a great point, right, Yeah. 270 00:13:14,039 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: I've seen in some of your more recent I don't 271 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,559 even know what to call them, like bits or skits. 272 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:19,600 I don't even know what to call them. 273 00:13:19,639 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 4: However, you refer to. 274 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,519 Speaker 1: Them though, and you're using a new acronym, which is 275 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,360 bound to get people's feathers ruffled. So could you explain 276 00:13:29,039 --> 00:13:31,879 what nega stands for? 277 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 4: Oh my god, you be careful. 278 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: I know, I'm trying to be super careful with that 279 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:36,840 shorty sound. 280 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:42,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, NAGA is non conforming the ethnic gender in gay 281 00:13:42,279 --> 00:13:47,440 assignments because the Alphabet Mafia wants a very tiny just 282 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,759 LGBTQ I a plus. But there's people that aren't gay 283 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,360 and they don't subscribe to a certain gender. So I 284 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,039 came up with NAGA so that there's people within the 285 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,159 Alphabet Mafia that don't fit into traditional boxes. And for 286 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,840 some reason people are getting all up in arms about it. 287 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:10,320 But I don't invent the acronyms, so right. 288 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 4: I mean, it is what it is, Josh, you got 289 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:13,279 to run with that. 290 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: I cannot get enough of all of this, Like I 291 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,039 love everything that you're doing so much. 292 00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:24,279 Speaker 4: I don't know about everything you're doing. 293 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: For example, I hear you can confirm if it's true 294 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,519 that you're on only fans. 295 00:14:29,879 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, are you do? 296 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:32,519 Speaker 2: You want to tell people. 297 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: Like what kind of exclusive content they're getting out there? 298 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 4: Is it like Burt Reynolds content. 299 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:40,039 Speaker 3: I don't have a big bushy I think he had 300 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,480 a big bushy mustache. Maybe I'm thinking of Tom Selleck. 301 00:14:42,519 --> 00:14:43,480 I think they both did. 302 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 4: Both of them did. 303 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:48,919 Speaker 3: But it's not something I am on only fans. I've 304 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:52,080 been on it since twenty eighteen, when basically it had 305 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:54,840 only been out for like a year, so that's seven years. 306 00:14:55,639 --> 00:14:59,279 It's something that has provided me the ability to have 307 00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:02,960 financial independence and do what I do online, because if 308 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,799 it weren't for that, I would be working probably a 309 00:15:05,879 --> 00:15:08,360 nine to five job and I wouldn't be able to, 310 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,320 you know, do the skits and bits that I do. 311 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,080 And so I'm very grateful to it. But it's not 312 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,879 something that I brand myself with or ever promote. I've 313 00:15:17,879 --> 00:15:22,320 never once promoted it. I prefer yeah, no, no, no, It's 314 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,879 totally fine. But I'm not ashamed of it. I think 315 00:15:24,919 --> 00:15:29,159 anybody can do whatever they want, you know, with their bodies, 316 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,759 as long as it's not involving six year olds like 317 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:32,879 woke people want to do. 318 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 319 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: So it's been very nice financially, and so that's why 320 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:39,960 I keep it. But it's not something I like brand. 321 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,679 Oh I'm an only fans model. I think that's so 322 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:46,759 cringe when people kind of move forward with that first. 323 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:48,519 Speaker 4: It's and it's like they're number one thing. 324 00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:51,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just weird. Why would you want to identify 325 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,519 as an only fans model? 326 00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, okay. So when it comes to the 327 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,720 woke stuff, do you think that the pendulum is swinging 328 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:00,919 the other because we went so far in the woke 329 00:16:01,039 --> 00:16:03,320 direction for so many years, you think it's swinging back 330 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,639 the other way, that pendulum because of people like you 331 00:16:05,919 --> 00:16:08,200 and you know, just people getting sick of it and 332 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,759 Trump getting elected. I mean, we think that there's a 333 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:14,360 little bit of a resurgence and normalcy and like common sense. 334 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:15,519 But I don't know, what do you think? What do 335 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:15,879 you think? 336 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,279 Speaker 3: I absolutely do And you know, I was talking with 337 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,759 my mother and she says, oftentimes progressives or people are 338 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:24,840 self described you know, liberals, They start off with a 339 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,200 good idea, which is that they want to fix or 340 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:34,159 remedy something, but inevitably the pendulum always swings one thousand 341 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:36,480 miles too far the other way, and they end up 342 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:39,159 destroying the baby out with the bathwater, I don't know 343 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,639 any better way to describe it. And they destroy everything 344 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:43,759 they were trying to fix, and usually it's a small 345 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,320 issue they were trying to fix. So the pendulum, I believe, 346 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,240 is definitely swinging the other way. And I kind of 347 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:53,240 felt that shift in ethos site, say, like in October 348 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:57,519 of last year, when Trump was, you know, getting gearing 349 00:16:57,639 --> 00:17:00,919 to get elected. I felt that the nation kind of 350 00:17:01,039 --> 00:17:03,720 just shifted between October and November, and by the time 351 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:07,200 he took office in January of this year, I think everybody, 352 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,240 as you said, is so over the woke nonsense and 353 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:13,440 sees it for the clown show that it is. And 354 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,359 so that's very reassuring because for so many years, I 355 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,200 think all of us felt like we're living in the 356 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,319 twilight zone, Like how do I live in a country 357 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:24,160 where I can get censored on X for just stating 358 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:29,079 a fact that someone finds offensive. So I think it's 359 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,599 a win for free speech and I'm very grateful for it. 360 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,039 I don't agree with everything that Trump does, but I 361 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:38,440 think he has been an instrumental part in dismantling wokeness, 362 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,079 and I do think wokeness is a disease. I think 363 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,559 it's a cancer, and I think it's good that it's 364 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,119 kind of I think, on its last legs, to be honest. 365 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,759 But if Liberals are want to keep leading with it, 366 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:52,359 they're going to keep losing elections. So they can go 367 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,680 ahead and keep being woke, they're going to keep losing. 368 00:17:54,799 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: So we also play with that they've not learned a 369 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:00,440 single lesson, just based on what we saw from their 370 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,720 little the start of their DNC meeting yesterday, they're like 371 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:06,759 starting out with the land acknowledgments and saying all the 372 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:10,640 trans rite stuff. I mean, it's just they've learned nothing, 373 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:11,519 which I guess is. 374 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 4: Good for us. 375 00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:17,519 Speaker 3: Right, it's almost like a compulsion. It's almost compulsive on 376 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:20,440 their part. I was talking actually to my therapist, he's 377 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,880 an OCD specialist, and he said, there's people that have 378 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,279 OCD where they have to virtue signal all the time 379 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,480 and they get stuck in this. It becomes a lifestyle 380 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:33,839 where you just can't stop in watching democrats talk every 381 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,160 other sentence is you know about someone's color or orientation. 382 00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:41,079 It's nauseating and I just don't think they can help 383 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,000 themselves at this point. Yeah, so as you said, let 384 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:47,319 them keep being compulsive virtue signalers. I don't think it's 385 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,039 resonating with anyone anymore. 386 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 4: So we need therapists who specialize in tds. That's what 387 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,200 we need. I hope that therapists out there are paying 388 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,920 attention and they're like, hmm, see a need fill a. 389 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 3: Needy industry, and there's I think millions of people that 390 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:06,039 suffer from it. It's I try occasionally I listen to 391 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:09,079 like NPR or something, and you know, they'll interview a 392 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,400 musical artist and all they talk about is how they're 393 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:17,440 you know, black, queer, fat, disabled and had no opportunity 394 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,599 in America. It's like, aren't you here to talk about 395 00:19:20,599 --> 00:19:23,799 your music? Like, why are you talking about it's just 396 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:24,720 not stings. 397 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. So you've got just a massive following across social 398 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,079 media platforms, which means that you're quite likely accustomed to 399 00:19:34,279 --> 00:19:37,880 what we're accustomed to with much smaller followings, and that 400 00:19:38,039 --> 00:19:43,119 is hate online and threats online because of your ideology. 401 00:19:43,279 --> 00:19:45,720 So what can you give us an example of, you know, 402 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:50,160 maybe some of the most outrageous, scary, even kind of 403 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,839 hate that you've received online. 404 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 405 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,279 Speaker 3: So, right after I did the transtrol ended in October, 406 00:19:56,319 --> 00:19:58,279 and a few weeks later someone reached out to me, 407 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,519 identifying themselves as working for the Daily Wire. They had 408 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,759 contracts and ID cards that were bent Key Productions, which 409 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:10,839 is the company that the film company that works for 410 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,640 Daily Wire, and they said they wanted to do a 411 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,440 little mini doc on me, which wasn't far fetched because 412 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,759 Tim Poole had just done a mini doc on me 413 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:22,440 and I was being interviewed like every day by Fox 414 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,359 and all these other outlets, so I was like, oh, cool, 415 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,839 Daily Wire wants to do it. Well, it turns out 416 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,359 this was a YouTuber who was very liberal, and he 417 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,440 had forged and stolen contracts from the Daily Wire and 418 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,799 then inserted his own name on blacked out someone else's 419 00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:41,240 name put his in. So he sent me forged contracts 420 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,960 and then got my address to film and sent over 421 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:48,960 a film crew, which I'm assuming were just two freelance 422 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,720 videographers that he hired, and they filmed me, and then 423 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,519 the after the film was put out, he revealed that 424 00:20:57,599 --> 00:21:00,920 it was all a prank and uh haha, how it's stupid? 425 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,200 Is Josh Sider? So, actually, Daily Wire last time I 426 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,960 talked to their chief legal counsel as suing him. 427 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:13,079 Speaker 4: So, oh my gosh, that's insane. Yeah, but I mean 428 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,640 that is what psychotic. 429 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,079 Speaker 3: Losers to do that, and all because I said men 430 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,200 aren't women, like so you see the film crew to 431 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:24,319 my house because I don't think men are women. 432 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:25,599 Speaker 2: It's weird. 433 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 4: It goes back to it goes back to the hole, 434 00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:31,319 like they are the ones you really need therapists, Like 435 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,440 this is a it is a sickness. It's crazy that 436 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,400 they would go through all that time and the money 437 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,720 and the effort to do that, like just to go 438 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:40,880 and find out where Josh Sider lives. We get it. 439 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:43,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an ough session. 440 00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:46,839 Speaker 3: And it's funny how they say that conservatives are obsessed 441 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,880 with trans people and it's like, well, you wouldn't say 442 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,359 cops are obsessed with criminals or cops are obsessed with pedos. 443 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,079 So when you have a cult that is constantly trying 444 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,319 to brainwash and recruit children, people are going to speak 445 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:05,440 out against it. And that doesn't make them obsessed. They 446 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,839 are the obsessed ones. And we are simply trying to 447 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,279 defend women and children. And so yes, these people are 448 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,400 hyper obsessive, and like you said, they need counseling. 449 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,799 Speaker 4: So right, there is on the wrong side of stuff. 450 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:20,000 You know. It's like, you know, we talk about it 451 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,400 a lot on our show, or it's like they want 452 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,400 to defend the worst of the worst, and they just 453 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,680 want to they will die on those hills, and it's 454 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:27,319 just it's insane to me. 455 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, even doesn't. 456 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 3: Watching them defend illegal immigrants and violent criminals. 457 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 4: It's criminals. Yeah, weird, they're problem. 458 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: It's so bizarre that this is the hill that they're 459 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:39,160 dying on. 460 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,039 Speaker 4: But that's I guess. 461 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,279 Speaker 1: I hope they keep doing it because it just I 462 00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:48,000 think it helps our side look like we're the reasonable, 463 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:49,160 practical ones, which is. 464 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:52,519 Speaker 4: Because we are correct, Yeah, because we are well. 465 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:56,519 Speaker 3: And it's very funny because the liberals throughout the nineties 466 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:02,599 and early two thousands always described Christian conservative Christians as 467 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,279 the more morality police and said the religious right were 468 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:08,400 nothing but a bunch of morality police that want to 469 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,640 tell you how to live, tell you how you can talk. 470 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,880 And now the woke left has become the very same 471 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,279 morality police that they used to decry in the nineties 472 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:21,000 by telling everyone how they need to live, how they 473 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:23,359 need to talk, how they need to act, and when 474 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,680 people I just think it's interesting that they have become 475 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:32,279 the very thing they have hated, which is this very controlling, dictatorial. 476 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:35,559 Speaker 4: Cult, and so only they're doing it on a platform 477 00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:38,720 of immorality, which is so messed up to me, it 478 00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:41,720 doesn't make any sense. I feel like sometimes that conservatives 479 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:43,720 now are like the liberals of nineteen nineties. 480 00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:47,759 Speaker 2: Yes, I think you know what, I yeah, right, like. 481 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,559 Speaker 4: The anti war they're pro war. I mean, everything is 482 00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:53,920 so flip flopped. It's just bizarre. If you've been around 483 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,839 long and I've been, we are old, like we've seen 484 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,160 some things. And so because I know you're a millennial, 485 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:02,160 we're Jenna, and so we've seen some stuff and we're like, 486 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,359 this is really weird because like the liberals that we 487 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,599 used to know are not that liberalism is completely changed. 488 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,240 It's just now they're just freaking they're just commies. Now 489 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,200 they're just flat out commis and they love it and 490 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,880 they embrace communism. They should just say that's what they are. Well, 491 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,039 they're starting to, Yeah, they're starting they are starting to. 492 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 3: Even their own people like normal. There's people that are 493 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,920 self described normal gays and lesbians who are utterly sick 494 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,480 of the LGBTQ Coult totally, and they're constantly saying, this 495 00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:33,839 is not what we fought for in the seventies, eighties, 496 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,240 and nineties. You people represent the opposite. We don't want 497 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,799 to be boiled down to our sexuality or our skin color. 498 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,400 So even their own base is calling them out. And 499 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,279 the woke always eat their own. So it always becomes 500 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:49,440 so radical that they eat their own. And there's a 501 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,279 snake that does it too. It's eluding my mind right now. 502 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:55,039 I think it's uh, I can't remember the name of it, 503 00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:59,480 but yeah, they're just inherent in them is the tendency 504 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:01,799 to eat their and so I think that's the downfall 505 00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:04,359 of the left and it's just going to keep resulting 506 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,519 in Republicans getting elected to office. 507 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:07,839 Speaker 4: Yep, agreed. 508 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,279 Speaker 1: We are huge, huge fans of your work. We're going 509 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,880 to continue to share clips with our audience as often 510 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,279 as you put them out. And in the meantime, if there, 511 00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:21,480 for some reason is somebody watching right now who has 512 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:24,000 not heard of you or your work before, where is 513 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:25,680 the best place that they can find you? 514 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: So great question. 515 00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:30,599 Speaker 3: Most of my stuff is on Instagram, not a huge 516 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,599 poster on x It's not my preferred platform. So Instagram 517 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,480 is where almost everything is at, and uh yeah, all 518 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,359 the videos. 519 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,799 Speaker 2: Are up, so I hope everybody enjoys it. 520 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 4: And it's at Josh Sider. 521 00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's so at Josh Underscore Sider Underscore Official. 522 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 4: Okay, awesome, perfect, Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, it's 523 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,160 been a pleasure for you. 524 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me on the show. 525 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,039 I really appreciate it.