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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf

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<v Speaker 1>I AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on

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<v Speaker 1>demand on the iHeartRadio app. The teenage carjacking gangs that

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to live out a real life grand theft

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<v Speaker 1>auto that will be part of our True Crime Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a teenager, a high schooler, was murdered and

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<v Speaker 1>her image was used to create an AI chatbot that

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<v Speaker 1>was eventually found by her father. We'll talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>strange case coming up as part of True Crime Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I love it. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love when we do these wellness stories and people

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<v Speaker 1>call in and go absolutely yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey.

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<v Speaker 4>Gary used to work as a personal trainer starting about

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<v Speaker 4>twenty fourteen for a elderly community. The people that dance

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<v Speaker 4>always did a lot better than everyone else. And these

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<v Speaker 4>are people that have just been dancing on and off

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<v Speaker 4>their entire life and not professionally, just moving and shaking.

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<v Speaker 4>Had better balance, better mental clarity, better strength, better endurance. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>just even look younger.

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<v Speaker 1>So keeping Yeah, absolutely, that's very very cool. And then

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of eating.

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<v Speaker 5>Late bake, Gary, No, Shannon, my diet is a deadly diet.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have breakfast. I just have a monster in

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<v Speaker 5>the morning, maybe a banana. At lunch around one, I

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<v Speaker 5>usually have like four tacos.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>And then at night whatever my wife cooks, and then

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<v Speaker 5>well my wife goes to sleep. I have munchies between

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<v Speaker 5>nine and midnight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, diety, None of that is approved by your doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>I can assure you, all right, What else is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Time for what's happening?

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<v Speaker 1>The weather that caused so many problems in Kentucky over

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend is getting worse. Governor Andy Basher said the

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<v Speaker 1>two additional people, an adult man an adult woman, appear

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<v Speaker 1>to have been homeless, have died for hypothermia. That's on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the twelve others who died as a result

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<v Speaker 1>of flooding in the state, including a mother and her

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<v Speaker 1>seven year old whose car was swept away in Hart County, Kentucky, Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>They are applying for individual assistance from FEMA. The governor

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<v Speaker 1>of Kentucky did say that President Trump has declared an

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<v Speaker 1>emergency disaster area for the state of Kentucky, and on

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<v Speaker 1>top of that, snow and now freezing conditions. A total

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<v Speaker 1>of about two to six inches of snow possible throughout

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<v Speaker 1>western and central Kentucky tonight until tomorrow. The storm is

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<v Speaker 1>expected to create hazardous travel conditions because of slick roads,

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<v Speaker 1>poor visibility, and of course, disrupt the recovery efforts from

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<v Speaker 1>the floods. Still a few thousand people without power in

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Kentucky, but it is much better than

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<v Speaker 1>it was yesterday at this time. International news today is

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<v Speaker 1>that Hamas has confirmed it will release ten hostages, six

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<v Speaker 1>of them alive, this week. They said they'll at least

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<v Speaker 1>the dead bodies of four Israeli hostages, including the two

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<v Speaker 1>youngest held by the group, a nine month old and

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<v Speaker 1>a four year old and her there mother, among others.

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<v Speaker 1>The group also said they'll release six living hostages instead

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<v Speaker 1>of the three that had been expected. Israeli Prime Minister's

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<v Speaker 1>office confirmed that an agreement had been reached for four

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<v Speaker 1>slain hostages to be handed over on Thursday, six living

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<v Speaker 1>hostages to be released on Saturday. The bodies, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>included the Beepst children, just nine months and four years old,

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<v Speaker 1>respectively when they were kidnapped back on October seventh, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. Hamas claims that they were killed in an

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli air strike. Also today, historic in the LA Unified

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<v Speaker 1>School District. Cell phone ban is now in effect. That

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<v Speaker 1>includes smart watches and smart glasses. Because you're anyway, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't need them, and despite what everybody's been saying, the

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<v Speaker 1>chance insais of there being a safety issue are minuscule.

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<v Speaker 1>Starting today as well, many writers need to tap their

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<v Speaker 1>transit cards in order to get off the La Union

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<v Speaker 1>station or get out of I should say. In the

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<v Speaker 1>latest effort by La Metro to curb crime crack down

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<v Speaker 1>on the fair evaders, writers need to tap their cards

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<v Speaker 1>at a turnstile when they exit the subway and head

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<v Speaker 1>time will be able to exit seamlessly. If you didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>possibility of receiving a warning recitation or even you get

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<v Speaker 1>kicked out of the subway completely. If you didn't pay initially,

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<v Speaker 1>but you do have a valid tap card when you exit,

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<v Speaker 1>the fare would be deducted when you leave. Metro officials

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<v Speaker 1>said it's still a violation of the code of conduct.

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<v Speaker 1>Writers of Metrolink can already scan their ticket to enable

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<v Speaker 1>the free transfers on La Metro, but you also need

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<v Speaker 1>to scan again when you exit any station again that

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<v Speaker 1>requires the exit. Jury deliberations are set to begin. Asap Rocky,

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<v Speaker 1>his real name is rakeem Myers accused of fire in

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<v Speaker 1>asap Rally, everybody knows that. And their question between the

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<v Speaker 1>two attorneys is was the gun real or was it

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<v Speaker 1>defense claims it was a prop gun that shot out

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<v Speaker 1>blanks that sounded like a real gun. Asap Rally says

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<v Speaker 1>his knuckles were grazed by one of the shots, but

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't seriously hurt. Rocky's attorney said that he picked

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<v Speaker 1>up the prop for security on a music video shoot.

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<v Speaker 1>And good news is remember that great concert that took

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<v Speaker 1>place at the Kia Forum and the into a dome

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<v Speaker 1>Stevie wonder they're playing with Sting late in that concert.

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<v Speaker 1>They raised about one hundred million dollars through the fire

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<v Speaker 1>Aid benefit concert concert.

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, well, the first.

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<v Speaker 1>Monies have been donated community based organizations. The selected organizations,

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<v Speaker 1>according to fire Aid, have received one hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>or more in the first grants to go out they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to displace a support displaced residents, workers, small business owners,

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<v Speaker 1>the first responders, and services like food assistants, childcare support,

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<v Speaker 1>critical healthcare sources, housing support, all that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They said.

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<v Speaker 1>The first phase of funds will be sent out by

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<v Speaker 1>the end of February.

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<v Speaker 2>Phase two is going.

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<v Speaker 1>To focus more on the long term relief, remediation, rebuilding,

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<v Speaker 1>and environmental issues that come up. Fire eight has been established.

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<v Speaker 1>A program of issuance of smaller grants also available to

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<v Speaker 1>some smaller community based organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>Those will go out as well.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we've told you about the Turpin case, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the Turpin family where the kids were all basically living

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<v Speaker 1>in Squalor. Mom and dad kept them there for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been another story in this case in Pontiac, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Matt. I live in Thailand. I'm from LA.

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<v Speaker 3>How about little shout out or a wink or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I love KFI keep up the good work, pillows and gals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah and gals, Thank you. John.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple stories that we are following today. Russia and

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<v Speaker 1>the United States have agreed to start working toward ending

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<v Speaker 1>the war in Ukraine but also improving diplomatic and economic ties.

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<v Speaker 1>This came after talks between the top diplomats from Russia

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<v Speaker 1>and the United States, Sergei Lavrov for Russia Marco Rubio

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<v Speaker 1>high level team to support Ukraine peace talks to explore

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<v Speaker 1>closer relations and economic cooperation. Rubio stress that the talks

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<v Speaker 1>mark the beginning of the conversation. President Trump is signing

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<v Speaker 1>some new executive orders, while his first joint television interview

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<v Speaker 1>with Elon Musk will air tonight in prime time. Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is down at mar A Lago in Florida, setting for

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<v Speaker 1>an awards program tonight, apparently by a program, an awards program,

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<v Speaker 1>I should say by a group led by Mike Flynn,

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<v Speaker 1>who was at one time National Security Advisor. The White

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<v Speaker 1>House hasn't commented on these new executive orders that he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to sign, but he's used previous executive orders for

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<v Speaker 1>about seven thousand different topics. Delta Airlines jet came down fast,

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<v Speaker 1>It landed hard, it lost its right wing, burst into

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<v Speaker 1>flames in a runway in Toronto, and then flipped over,

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<v Speaker 1>flipped over, and amazingly in the news conference this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>they said all eighty people on board that flight from

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<v Speaker 1>Minneapolis to Toronto survived the crash. The airport's CEO said,

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<v Speaker 1>all but twenty. I'm sorry. All but two of the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one people injured on the flight have been released

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<v Speaker 1>from the hospital. The case of the Turpins out in

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<v Speaker 1>the ie was hard to look at group of kids,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of kids raised by a family with severe

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<v Speaker 1>mental illness, in that the kids were never allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>go outside rarely, that they were not fed properly, they

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<v Speaker 1>were not instructed on how to live life properly. And

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<v Speaker 1>every time we see a story like this, we think

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<v Speaker 1>to ourselves, how many of these kind of situations exist today,

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<v Speaker 1>like right now? And unfortunately we found another one in

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<v Speaker 1>this case. A woman in Pontiac, Michigan, arrested Friday. She

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<v Speaker 1>abandoned her young children in their home for several years,

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<v Speaker 1>according to police. The Oakland County Sheriff's Office said, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four year old woman her identity is not released to

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<v Speaker 1>protect the identity of her kids, left her kids in

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<v Speaker 1>that home to live in absolute squalor. They were surviving

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<v Speaker 1>on weekly drop offs of prepared food.

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<v Speaker 2>You had three kids.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a fifteen year old boy and thirteen and

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<v Speaker 1>twelve year old girls. They all were taken to the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>placed in the custody of a relative by CPS, and

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<v Speaker 1>the sheriff, Michael Bouchard, said in a press release that

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<v Speaker 1>the conditions in which the kids were forced to survive

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<v Speaker 1>were unconscionable and as we've seen in cases like this,

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<v Speaker 1>when law enforcement officer takes to the podium to describe

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<v Speaker 1>what goes on, they say something like this. Throughout my

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<v Speaker 1>extensive career in this field, I have never encountered a

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<v Speaker 1>scenario as dire and prolonged as this one, involving abandonment, neglect,

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<v Speaker 1>and abuse of the highest order. And he said the

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<v Speaker 1>situation would be deemed deplorable and intolerable for animals, let

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<v Speaker 1>alone children. They've been deprived of any interaction with their mother,

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<v Speaker 1>they have not received an education, and the far reaching

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<v Speaker 1>consequences of this abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Must be acknowledged.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we've seen in the case of the Turpen kids,

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<v Speaker 1>this could potentially be a lifelong problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>The sheriff said that the kids were found in soiled clothing,

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<v Speaker 1>their hair was matted, their toenails were several inches long,

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<v Speaker 1>which made it very hard for them to walk. The

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<v Speaker 1>children did not know how to use personal hygiene items

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<v Speaker 1>and did not know how to flush a toilet. They

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<v Speaker 1>were called by the landlord. The Sheriff's department was called

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<v Speaker 1>by the landlord of the home to perform a welfare

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<v Speaker 1>check because he said he hadn't heard from the mom

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<v Speaker 1>since December, ren hadn't been paid since October, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was concerned about the well being. They searched the home,

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<v Speaker 1>they found the three kids. The girls had locked their

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<v Speaker 1>were asked, and the pictures of the inside of this

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<v Speaker 1>home are unbelievable. Piles of debris. Police said the scene

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<v Speaker 1>was indeplorable shape. Garbage piled as high as four feet

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<v Speaker 1>in some rooms. Mold, human waste found throughout the house.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned, I mentioned they didn't know how to use

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<v Speaker 1>the toilet. They didn't know how to flush it. I

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<v Speaker 1>should say so the toilet was overflowing. Feces was found

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<v Speaker 1>in the bathtub. The fifteen year old brother said he

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<v Speaker 1>since probably twenty twenty or twenty twenty one. They survived

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<v Speaker 2>This is exactly like the Turpins.

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<v Speaker 1>The neighbors said they never saw the kids outside, and

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<v Speaker 1>When she learned about the kids found unattended, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>An HOA board member, Nosey said she received text messages

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<v Speaker 1>watching television or playing games. It appears the girls had

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<v Speaker 1>the boy slept on a mattress on the floor, the

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<v Speaker 1>girls slept on pizza boxes. Mom was found at a

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<v Speaker 1>different location obviously has been arrested. She said Dad doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff has given a few more details today about all

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<v Speaker 1>of this. Said dad had been in jail at the

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<v Speaker 1>time that their mom abandoned them. After he got out,

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<v Speaker 1>he got approval from a court to visit the kids,

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<v Speaker 1>but mom never allowed access. The sheriff also blamed some

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<v Speaker 1>gaps in the school enrollment enrollment process that allowed the

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<v Speaker 1>kids to slip through the cracks, adding that the pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>probably played a role. Since they were probably living alone

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<v Speaker 1>since this bring or summer of twenty twenty, when nobody

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<v Speaker 1>any more donations. They want to find a law firm,

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<v Speaker 2>Which will be humongous.

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<v Speaker 1>And they said food deliveries to the home were made

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<v Speaker 1>by companies like Instacart and door Dash, and that nobody

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<v Speaker 1>actually ever went inside. But still no reason as to

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<v Speaker 1>why she abandoned the kids in the first place. It's

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<v Speaker 1>and again we'll ask this one's been discovered, but how

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<v Speaker 1>many more exist out there?

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, it's time for True Crime Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 4>The story is true, sounds true?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it sounds made up. I don't know. Garry and

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon present True Crime, all right. I've had my car stolen.

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<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people have had their car.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I've had two cars stolen in the course

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<v Speaker 1>of my career. I suppose there is a whole new

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<v Speaker 1>world of car thievery that is going on, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is concentrated along the West Coast and more specifically right

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington, DC. Think think of the violent carjackings that

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, the attempted robbery of a vehicle used to

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<v Speaker 1>transport oh, I don't know, the President's granddaughter, Joe Biden's

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<v Speaker 1>granddaughter Naomi. Secret Service agents had to shoot a guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Another Washington shootout involved US marshalls who are working security

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<v Speaker 1>for Justice Sonya Sotomayor. There was an FBI agent who

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<v Speaker 1>was carjacked by a seventeen year old Congressman Henry Quaar

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<v Speaker 1>of Texas had a gun stuck in his face and

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<v Speaker 1>his car was stolen. A guy who was arrested after

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<v Speaker 1>crashing in a stolen vehicle e aded police custody at

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital, then stole an ambulance to escape. He was

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<v Speaker 1>seen in surveillance footage driving away while wearing an hospital

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<v Speaker 1>gown with the IV needle still in his arm. The

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<v Speaker 1>thriving used car market of West Africa, it's what's driving

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<v Speaker 1>the stolen car market on the East coast of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. There have been I think it's about what

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<v Speaker 1>is it a million, roughly a million cars. In twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, car theft had been falling steadily since nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one, and then we saw at least most of

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<v Speaker 1>that I should say most of it, not at least

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<v Speaker 1>most of that was because of simple security systems that

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<v Speaker 1>became very very popular in cars and then became installed.

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<v Speaker 1>They came installed on cars that you would buy. But

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<v Speaker 1>early twenty twenty auto thefts have increased by about thirty percent.

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<v Speaker 1>And the statistics for last year are incomplete, but right

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<v Speaker 1>now they already suggest that we could see a record

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<v Speaker 1>number of car thefts and violent car thefts like carjackings

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<v Speaker 1>in the year twenty twenty four. About ten percent of

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<v Speaker 1>those cars that are stolen in the United States today

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<v Speaker 1>are smuggled overseas. And what's amazing is those used car

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<v Speaker 1>brokers in West Africa. They are very specific about what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cars they want. You saw this in Gone

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<v Speaker 1>in sixty seconds. There's a market out there for high

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<v Speaker 1>end cars, and all it takes is a buyer to

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<v Speaker 1>say something like I want a twenty twenty four Mercedes

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<v Speaker 1>SL three fifty with leather interior, and you go get

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<v Speaker 1>your henchmen to go out and find that car. The

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<v Speaker 1>majority of times, the most common way to steal a

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle is the most basic find one with the engine

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<v Speaker 1>still running and the keys inside. That is a crime

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<v Speaker 1>of opportunity, and according to law enforcement, that's about forty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of car thefts are again just the most basic.

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<v Speaker 1>You left your car running and your left your keys inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about times of extreme heat or cold, when it's

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<v Speaker 1>cold that's probably even more likely where you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>the car to freeze up. So at fifteen below, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at you, Minnesota. You leave the car running, you

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<v Speaker 1>leave the ignition fob and the center console, maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>the key with the ignition anymore. You are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>carry a bag of groceries into the house and they

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<v Speaker 1>slip in while you're in the house and take your

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<v Speaker 1>car and they're gone. If you figure that each I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say punk kid, because I'm gonna make a generalization,

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<v Speaker 1>gets about five hundred to one thousand, maybe fifteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a car, especially for the higher end ones. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the next guy is going to get about two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and four it, and the next guy's going to get

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five or three thousand for it and the price

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<v Speaker 1>goes up, so that, for example, in West Africa, the

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<v Speaker 1>most sought after vehicle is probably a Range drover or

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<v Speaker 1>a Toyota pickup or a BMW Sedan. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>get a BMW seven series to your pickup point, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get fifteen hundred bucks for it. But as it

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<v Speaker 1>goes along the supply chain, you've got the fence, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got the shipping company, you've got the customs broker.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody has to get paid.

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<v Speaker 1>And even after expenses, there's plenty of profit because you

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<v Speaker 1>could sell that same BMW seven series for about fifty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars in the capital of Ghana. And like I said, Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>DC was sort of the ground zero for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this. In one specific place, there was a parking

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<v Speaker 1>garage on Florida Avenue in Washington, DC that was an

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<v Speaker 1>ideal place to stash the Mercedes or the BMW or

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<v Speaker 1>the Dodge Challenger. The stolen car business was so robust

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington in twenty twenty three that that parking garage

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<v Speaker 1>became a de facto showroom for these stolen cars. The

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<v Speaker 1>buyers and the sellers would meet there every night. They

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<v Speaker 1>would inspect the cars, the deal was sealed. Cars not

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<v Speaker 1>sold within hours were listed on Instagram. They were shown

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<v Speaker 1>by appointment, and it was dependable. It was a business.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a marketplace that opened up text messages that

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<v Speaker 1>were intercepted by law enforcement captured the buyers that were

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<v Speaker 1>placing orders for very specific cars, very specific makes and models.

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<v Speaker 1>One eighteen year old delivering stolen vehicles had six carjackings

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<v Speaker 1>in a week. There was a twelve year old who

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<v Speaker 1>made headlines throughout all of twenty twenty two and into

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<v Speaker 1>last year after he stole a BMW, a Jaguar, an Audi,

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<v Speaker 1>a Tesla, a cargo van, and at one point he

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<v Speaker 1>hit a half a dozen dealerships in Maryland in less

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<v Speaker 1>than a month. He had been arrested twenty two times

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<v Speaker 1>by the middle of last year, but because the Maryland

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<v Speaker 1>judicial reform stipulated that kids under the age of thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be charged with property crimes, turned back to the

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<v Speaker 1>property to the custody of his parents. Kids like that

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<v Speaker 1>being manipulated by older gang members come in as pseudo

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<v Speaker 1>father figures and the kids, a lot of them. Teenagers

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<v Speaker 1>brag about their recent heightsts. They text each other. Gtarl

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<v Speaker 1>Grand theft auto real life. You can train on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>You could see the Kiya challenge on how to pick

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<v Speaker 1>up a key or a Hyundai using a screwdriver in

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<v Speaker 1>a USB cable. But the GPS tracker that you have

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<v Speaker 1>in your car, that's not gonna help. They know where

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<v Speaker 1>those are, they'll just pull them out. And most of them,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, some of the high end cars end

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<v Speaker 1>up in West Africa for the burgeoning stolen used car

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<v Speaker 1>market there for those high end the Mercedes, the Range

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<v Speaker 1>Rovers and things like that. About some of those weird

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<v Speaker 1>and unbelievable store in the world of crime. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is a kind of a combination of crime and artificial intelligence,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a this is something that should be

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<v Speaker 1>a crime. Drew Crecente a couple of months ago got

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<v Speaker 1>a Google alert that flagged what appeared to be a

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<v Speaker 1>new profile of his daughter online, the daughter that had

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<v Speaker 1>been murdered eighteen years earlier. It had Jennifer's full name,

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<v Speaker 1>It had an old high school yearbook photo of her.

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<v Speaker 1>It had a biography of Jennifer. It said she was

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<v Speaker 1>a video game journalist. It said she was an expert

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<v Speaker 1>in technology, pop culture, and journalism. The website where this

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<v Speaker 1>new profile popped up was character dot Ai, and Jennifer's

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<v Speaker 1>image and likeness were used to create a chatbot that

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<v Speaker 1>people could talk to.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. The company.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a website that allows you to converse with digital

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<v Speaker 1>personalities using the generative artificial intelligence. Think you're having a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with a computer like chat GPT or grock on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's interacting with you as if it's a person.

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<v Speaker 1>These chatbots engage in conversation. They can be programmed to

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<v Speaker 1>adopt specific personalities, biographical details of specific characters, whether they're

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<v Speaker 1>real characters or imagine you know, you can program it

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<v Speaker 1>to be Benjamin Franklin.

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<v Speaker 2>Or Darth Vader.

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<v Speaker 1>And these companies that put up these chatbots have found

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<v Speaker 1>a growing audience online because people want friends or mentors,

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<v Speaker 1>or they want romantic partners. But this controversial technology also

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<v Speaker 1>comes with incredible drawbacks. A guy in Belgium died by

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<v Speaker 1>suicide a couple of years ago. He was encouraged to

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<v Speaker 1>do so in a conversation with a chatbot. We saw

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<v Speaker 1>that also with a kid, a twelve year old kid

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<v Speaker 1>who was having conversations with these chatbots and eventually ended

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<v Speaker 1>his life. So character Ai again needless to say, Dad,

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Crecente, who's seeing his murdered daughter's face on this website.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, my pulse was racing. I was just looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a big flashing red stop button that I could

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<v Speaker 1>slap and just make it stop. It takes it quite

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<v Speaker 1>a bit for me to be shocked, he said, because

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<v Speaker 1>I really have been through quite a lot, but this

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<v Speaker 1>was a new low.

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<v Speaker 2>And give you an idea what he's been through.

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<v Speaker 1>His daughter, Jennifer, was killed by her ex boyfriend during

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<v Speaker 1>her senior year in high school. Character AI says that

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<v Speaker 1>the company will remove any chatbot that violates as terms

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<v Speaker 1>of service. They're constantly evolving and they're refining their safety

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<v Speaker 1>practices to prioritize community safety. When they were notified about

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer's Character, they said they reviewed the content and the

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<v Speaker 1>account and took action based on their policies because the

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<v Speaker 1>terms of service prevent anybody from impersonating any person or entity. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>because of the nonprofit that Drew Corescente put up after

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter was murdered, they spend time preventing teen dating violence.

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<v Speaker 1>He was appalled that Character had allowed somebody to create

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<v Speaker 1>this facsimile of a murdered high schooler without her family's permission,

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<v Speaker 1>and because of his work. Like I said in that nonprofit,

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<v Speaker 1>he keeps the Google alert that tracks mentions of his

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<v Speaker 1>daughters on name online. Every once in a while it

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<v Speaker 1>shows up on a spam website, maybe a news report

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<v Speaker 1>that repeats old information. But that October alert led him

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<v Speaker 1>to his daughter's name and picture on character dot ai,

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<v Speaker 1>and he couldn't figure out it first. He said, the

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<v Speaker 1>more he looked into it, the more uneasy he felt.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to using her name and her picture, the

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<v Speaker 1>chatbot's page described her in very lively language, as if

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<v Speaker 1>she were alive, like the tech journalist who geeks out

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<v Speaker 1>on video games, always up to date on the latest

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<v Speaker 1>entertainment news. He said the description didn't appear to be

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<v Speaker 1>based on her personality or any specific interests about what

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<v Speaker 1>her real life was, and he said the factual inaccuracies

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<v Speaker 1>were beside the point. The idea of character hosting and

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<v Speaker 1>then potentially making money from a chatbot using his murdered

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<v Speaker 1>daughter's name was distressing enough he did not start at

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation with it. He did not investigate the user

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<v Speaker 1>that created the bot, but he immediately emailed the character

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<v Speaker 1>company to have it removed. Asked about other chatbots on

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<v Speaker 1>their site that impersonate public figures, a spokesperson said the

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<v Speaker 1>reports of impersonation are investigated immediately by the trust and

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<v Speaker 1>safety team. The character is removed if it's found to

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<v Speaker 1>have violated. There is a privacy researcher at Mozilla Foundation.

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<v Speaker 1>They said that this approach to moderation is way too

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<v Speaker 1>passive because it plainly violates its own term of service.

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<v Speaker 1>In the case of Jennifer Crescente, he says, if they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to say we don't allow this on the platform,

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<v Speaker 1>then they allow it on their platform until it's brought

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<v Speaker 1>to their attention. That's not right. All the while they're

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<v Speaker 1>making millions of dollars potentially. I mean, it was disturbing

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<v Speaker 1>enough to push this guy to ponder up taking a

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<v Speaker 1>new cause, and now he's considering legal options and advocating

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<v Speaker 1>for more active safety measures to prevent AI companies from

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<v Speaker 1>harming or re traumatizing anybody else that may have been

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<v Speaker 1>the victim.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a crime, in this case, the murder of his

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<v Speaker 2>own daughter. So that's awful.

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