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Speaker 1: Hey guys, we have an exciting event in May that
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about. My father. Chris
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Speaker 1: May second to May fourth. Come check out the premiere
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Speaker 1: Dad will be interviewed live on stage by Jimmy Church
Speaker 1: in a fireside style chat, and on Sunday night there's
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Speaker 1: to a very special reunion episode of BLEDSA said So,
Speaker 1: we have an amazing, amazing guest that we had on
Speaker 1: episode one twenty Reclaiming Your Light with Molly Adler. Mollie,
Speaker 1: you are a wonderful, wonderful person. As you know, in
Speaker 1: the two years that we've been friends, it has just
Speaker 1: progressed and just like gone off to the races. I
Speaker 1: feel like we stay in touch pretty frequently and just
Speaker 1: like I can always go to you for like the
Speaker 1: best esoteric gossip, deepest in for me.
Speaker 2: I love how that is my fucking calling card.
Speaker 1: That's It's true, That's that's that's your calling card for
Speaker 1: esoteric gossip UFO craziness, I mean anything. You're just the
Speaker 1: person that I can rely on. You've sent people my
Speaker 1: way and sent some really cool people my way, and
Speaker 1: I just always know that I can call you and
Speaker 1: we just have the most hype conversation. So anyway, I
Speaker 1: just have to say thank you for coming back on
Speaker 1: the show. I've been very much looking forward to this.
Speaker 1: How are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing really, I'm doing well, Ryan, I thank you.
Speaker 2: My mom's an English teacher. So even now if I
Speaker 2: say I'm doing good, I'm like bad, I'm doing well,
Speaker 2: but I am doing really good. It's nice to be back.
Speaker 2: And it's so great because I love your listeners. So
Speaker 2: many bloodso said so listeners have come to my podcast
Speaker 2: even my Patreon and so it's really cool and I
Speaker 2: love it. So it seems like our audiences are very simpatico,
Speaker 2: so excited to chat with you guys again.
Speaker 1: Likewise, by the way we do. Actually, I get a
Speaker 1: lot of messages being like I heard you on Molly
Speaker 1: a Show back from the Borderline, and I'm like, no way, yeah.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 3: You're sipping your UFOT right now. Also, that's like the
Speaker 3: alternate version of esoteric gossip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm serving the all the UFOT piping hot.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you do have that's your brand.
Speaker 2: It really is. Except I can't say half the things
Speaker 2: I want to say. So just know that I have
Speaker 2: so much tea that I'm going to just hold it
Speaker 2: because it's still tough today.
Speaker 3: It's still tea, Okay, okay, green tea is still tea,
Speaker 3: just like Black Tea is still teeth.
Speaker 1: Am I allowed to plug your other show? Or do
Speaker 1: you keep them separate my show?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You have another podcast?
Speaker 5: What Night Night Bitch?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, isn't it funny? Let me just tell you
Speaker 2: I have not uploaded on Night Night Bitch in six
Speaker 2: damn months because I could not. I was pregnant as
Speaker 2: hell this summer and it was so hot and I
Speaker 2: just said it, listen, I need one needs to just
Speaker 2: take a knee for a second. And so Night Night Bitch,
Speaker 2: it's still doing numbers that people love that podcast, and
Speaker 2: it's just I did it on a whim. So I'm
Speaker 2: going to start uploading to that feed again. But yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead, But I'm just it's wild to know that,
Speaker 2: like it really is a thing.
Speaker 1: You get your esoteric gossip and your UFO t on
Speaker 1: Night Night Bitch. That's awesome.
Speaker 4: Bring it back. I love it.
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 5: It is coming back.
Speaker 2: Now that I am not no longer pregnant, I can.
Speaker 2: I feel like I can achieve much more.
Speaker 4: It was we had a whole baby since the last
Speaker 4: time we.
Speaker 1: Talked to you.
Speaker 2: I sure did, and boy she's a chunk, So yes.
Speaker 1: I did, and she's adorable too. Every now and then
Speaker 1: you'll bless me with pictures and I show them my
Speaker 1: wife and we just geek out about you know what's crazy.
Speaker 1: I feel like so many people around us are just
Speaker 1: having babies.
Speaker 2: I've noticed that myself, your age age, it must Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess we're gonna Sometimes I look at people that
Speaker 2: are my age, like I went to high school with them,
Speaker 2: and I see them being so like parenty, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, am I a Am I a parent? Now? Like?
Speaker 5: Am I the person?
Speaker 1: And that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That kids look at and they're like, oh, she's
Speaker 2: a mom, Like what No, So I wear more black.
Speaker 4: Just keep doing that.
Speaker 2: I'm just wearing more and more black, like looking more
Speaker 2: and more like Mary Kate Olsen. I feel like the
Speaker 2: more I look like I've been told I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: I've been told Elizabeth Olsen, I'm Elizabeth Olsen in looks,
Speaker 2: but Mary Kate and spirit.
Speaker 1: I've known you for two years now. We've obviously like
Speaker 1: hung out in person zoom called all that stuff done
Speaker 1: the show and I have to say, like, I never
Speaker 1: now that you say that, I'm like, I can't see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I've been I've received many messages saying that,
Speaker 2: and it's great. She's she's a really beautiful woman, so
Speaker 2: I appreciate the comparison.
Speaker 1: I literally feel like I'm talking.
Speaker 2: To this and you know, I've never watched the show
Speaker 2: because it's apparently the version of her in this uh
Speaker 2: superhero show. Like people are like specifically that version of her.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's it's a cult as shit.
Speaker 2: And it was much more intense because I had red
Speaker 2: hair for approach, did not. Yeah, I did so when
Speaker 2: my hair was that like red color, I was getting
Speaker 2: that comment very much.
Speaker 4: You probably looked identical.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might not get into that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: but that particular show.
Speaker 1: You are, Yeah, I should cool.
Speaker 2: Cool, cool.
Speaker 1: It's it's like this show like the Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: really good man.
Speaker 2: I've heard it was done really well as well, so
Speaker 2: I will watch it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really liked it. I'm interested in uh hitting
Speaker 1: you up to pick your brain about some UFO T.
Speaker 1: Why did you phrase it like I told you wished
Speaker 1: for well, I mean you know, you know, well, I
Speaker 1: did just kind of brag about how anytime I call
Speaker 1: her up, I get my T I get my you
Speaker 1: get your hot goss.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we can.
Speaker 2: Well, I can, I can go where we were talking
Speaker 2: a little bit in our pre chat at and Nick.
Speaker 5: Nick had had bopped out for a.
Speaker 2: Second, but now he's bopped back in, so you'll you'll
Speaker 2: hear this through the first time. But I was just saying,
Speaker 2: how as we all know, I feel like it's been
Speaker 2: for the last three months like UFO, U, A, P
Speaker 2: N HI, whatever the hell acronym were going, it's been
Speaker 2: that area's super Bowl.
Speaker 5: So much stuff has been going on.
Speaker 2: And I was telling Ryan, there have been three hours
Speaker 2: the interviews here, four hour interviews there, five hour and
Speaker 2: I'm going, I can't keep up. I So I really,
Speaker 2: I think I've been doing pretty admirably. I'll like, as
Speaker 2: I'm falling asleep with my baby, I'll be playing that
Speaker 2: and like on a sleep timer, just trying to like
Speaker 2: inject my veins with like what I should know. But
Speaker 2: I'm I am feeling like what I stepped back and realized,
Speaker 2: And it's part of the reason why I made that
Speaker 2: two part series Ryan that we were talking about. I
Speaker 2: just I said to myself, a lot you can tell
Speaker 2: that some of these experiencers and the whistleblowers whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call them, They're all the same archetype, right.
Speaker 2: These are ex military dudes, and listen, I'm a girl.
Speaker 2: I've got on dates with guys like this. They're the
Speaker 2: kind of guys that like get hives when you start
Speaker 2: crying or something like do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Or they're like just you know, you say something really
Speaker 2: deep and they're like yeah, yeah, you know, like have
Speaker 2: you ever thought about dying?
Speaker 5: And they're like, I know the shot please, you know, So.
Speaker 1: I'm cheating.
Speaker 2: That's the vibe. And the thing is that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that they're bad people, all of them. It doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that they have bad intentions, even all of them. But
Speaker 2: I think that they are like spiritually neutered by the
Speaker 2: veils that they're looking through. So they're looking through this
Speaker 2: really hyper masculinized military lens, and they also are a
Speaker 2: lot of them contracted up to their eyeballs in what
Speaker 2: they can and can't say. And so when I made
Speaker 2: that episode, I'm going, look at all the veils we're
Speaker 2: having to get information through, and then god knows what
Speaker 2: like misinformation is being deliberately injected, and so that is
Speaker 2: a cacophony of shit that none of us can hope
Speaker 2: to find any sense of truth, and that's what they want,
Speaker 2: because then you hear things like Chris speaking about his
Speaker 2: very legitimate experience, but unfortunately people don't know that it's
Speaker 2: legitimate because not all of them have witnessed it like
Speaker 2: we have. I've witnessed it myself, so I would be
Speaker 2: into people, not the crazy people attacking human beings online,
Speaker 2: but I would maybe be the one looking at all
Speaker 2: the stuff about Chris and going, I want to believe
Speaker 2: that so much, but I just can't believe it because
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it, and so therefore I would loop
Speaker 2: your dad in with all the rest.
Speaker 5: But that's what they want, you know.
Speaker 2: And who the day is I don't know, but there
Speaker 2: is a day there because of what we're witnessing right now,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't look like this hot ass mess. So what
Speaker 2: I'm saying is too, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 2: those guys that are coming out that have a good heart.
Speaker 2: I think that want to say something. But what you're
Speaker 2: seeing with the telepathy tapes, with this you hear oh
Speaker 2: a psionic asset, craft, biologics and all of this stuff
Speaker 2: that is so not getting to the essence of what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 5: And it is giving.
Speaker 2: I'm scared of actually talking about what this means. They're
Speaker 2: like externalizing it from themselves. They don't even have the
Speaker 2: spiritual maturity to understand that like it could be it
Speaker 2: is here right now, in the same world as us.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 3: That's a really good point. It's it's like the hyperfixation
Speaker 3: with labeling shit, yes, is.
Speaker 2: Because they're still comfortable, well they're.
Speaker 1: Still linguistic programming.
Speaker 3: No, But but also I think, like, what what you're
Speaker 3: saying by like, they're focusing on that because they're afraid
Speaker 3: to focus on.
Speaker 4: Like what actually is it? And yet right, yeah, what
Speaker 4: is it? And what does it mean?
Speaker 3: And like could it be this, rather than thinking more
Speaker 3: deeply about what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they actually you guys, they would literally have
Speaker 2: to think, oh fuck, what does that mean for me.
Speaker 2: It's like when you're a kid and you find out
Speaker 2: about dying and it's not like, oh Grandma is going
Speaker 2: to the pie in the sky or whatever. You actually
Speaker 2: think you the the reality of death hits you and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh shit, like yeah, that's so big and
Speaker 2: so heavy and so scary that you can't And I
Speaker 2: think that's the same thing that's happening. They're all so
Speaker 2: busy squabbling. But then you see the jaqu Valets, right,
Speaker 2: who's probably his The way he's thinking about it. Whatever
Speaker 2: you think about Jaquevala at the way he is thinking
Speaker 2: about it is closer. Bernard, Bernardo Castrip, those type of people,
Speaker 2: they're getting closer, right because they're thinking about it in
Speaker 2: the absurd, the unknowable, the unknown. And they I'm not
Speaker 2: calling out dudes in general. You guys are not those guys.
Speaker 2: You're the guys that are going, okay, We're okay with
Speaker 2: sitting in the unknown, We're okay with wondering what does
Speaker 2: this mean about me? What does this mean about how
Speaker 2: I would live my life? Those guys just want to
Speaker 2: talk about biologics and craft and redacted documents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And another I think another aspect of it
Speaker 3: is like a lot of people just don't like to
Speaker 3: say they.
Speaker 4: Don't know things, right.
Speaker 3: We're afraid to be like, we truly don't know what
Speaker 3: that is. It's so much more comfortable to put labels
Speaker 3: on something, yeah, and say I know exactly what that is. No,
Speaker 3: it's not that, No, you're stupid, it's this. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: comforting and like that just it honestly causes like a
Speaker 3: storm inside and it ultimately results in those people lashing
Speaker 3: out and getting really aggressive to anyone who disagrees with them,
Speaker 3: because like, deep down, there's no willingness to say at all,
Speaker 3: Like listen, I don't know, I could be wrong.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm just just telling you what my experience is. No,
Speaker 3: it's like, no, I am fucking right, and this is
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 1: Well you Oh sorry, I was just gonna say, you
Speaker 1: add a whole another layer to that. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: we're talking about people with a massive ego oh and
Speaker 1: being terrified to admit that they're wrong or that their
Speaker 1: worldview be challenged, right, it makes them uncomfortable. But then
Speaker 1: we're also talking about another layer here, which is people
Speaker 1: who are dogs that bark for the government agenda facts
Speaker 1: the government says, bark, and then they get on their
Speaker 1: various content creation channels and they say blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, whatever the story is, you know,
Speaker 1: psionics or biologics or Nhi, Nhi, n Hi, get out
Speaker 1: of here, bro Nhi? Is that that I thought.
Speaker 4: It was you?
Speaker 1: Ap, I thought it was fo they're calling it now
Speaker 1: non human intelligence. Yeah, it's neuur linguistic programming. It's like whatever.
Speaker 5: You there there.
Speaker 2: They probably know when people are going along with their thing,
Speaker 2: when everyone starts using the same phrasing that want them
Speaker 2: to use. And you know what came up for me
Speaker 2: when you were saying, like what you were saying, Nick
Speaker 2: is and everyone knows I will go to the bat
Speaker 2: for me for some cris blood. So because I met
Speaker 2: your dad, and I think that one of the things
Speaker 2: that and also I happen to have. All my dad's
Speaker 2: family is from Kentucky and from North Carolina, and so
Speaker 2: all my family have really heavy Southern drawls, you know,
Speaker 2: like my and heavy you know, like that old North
Speaker 2: Carolina accent that like my grandma had and stuff. And
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful accent, by the way. That's another thing,
Speaker 2: Like the North Carolina accent is a really beautiful of
Speaker 2: the Southern accents, I think, but people really do. It
Speaker 2: goes to show, in my opinion, how prejudiced people are
Speaker 2: too slow speaking Southern people, right who. That's a cultural thing.
Speaker 2: And some of the most beautiful poets and the most
Speaker 2: brilliant minds were people who had like a Southern drawl,
Speaker 2: but you're getting discounted because of that. So on one hand,
Speaker 2: I see people saying that about your dad, and then
Speaker 2: I also the thing that infuriates me to see most
Speaker 2: because of the conversations I've had with you and your dad,
Speaker 2: is them thinking your dad is only seeing this through
Speaker 2: some evangelical Christian lens and he's somehow like just this
Speaker 2: small town boy who only reads the Bible. Your dad
Speaker 2: is so well informed about all of this, studies this
Speaker 2: so much, but he doesn't feel like he has to
Speaker 2: convince everybody of stuff, and so he takes that position.
Speaker 2: And so you the irony about the internet right now
Speaker 2: is that the people that actually have discernment, they don't
Speaker 2: get heard. And the people that are out there, like
Speaker 2: you said, that are barking like dogs with their chest
Speaker 2: and claiming to know stuff, they are somehow seen as
Speaker 2: the authority. And what I see in your dad is
Speaker 2: he's just going like, I know what I know, because
Speaker 2: he can't describe probably half the stuff he's experienced in
Speaker 2: human language, and so he's doing his very meager best
Speaker 2: to talk to cough cough, like a lot of not
Speaker 2: calling anyone else specifically. But some shows that he's been
Speaker 2: on the people that have interviewed him. You can tell
Speaker 2: are I'm trying to be I'm just saying call I'm
Speaker 2: saying is that they have the spiritual maturity of like
Speaker 2: an earthworm.
Speaker 5: Okay, And that is the realcity.
Speaker 1: Part of the part of the disinformation cult.
Speaker 2: And even if they weren't, they're just not able to
Speaker 2: have these conversations in a way that we're going to
Speaker 2: get anything meaningful out of it. And so your poor
Speaker 2: dad is just sitting there trying to do his best
Speaker 2: and tell his story. And he's telling the truth. And
Speaker 2: there's a reason why comments sections are flooded with people
Speaker 2: saying I don't know, but I believe this man, right
Speaker 2: that I see that all the time. Yeah, And there's
Speaker 2: a reason because your dad is just living his truth.
Speaker 2: And when I met your dad even before we all
Speaker 2: went to dinner, and he literally is going, guys, we
Speaker 2: need to go, we need to go, We need and
Speaker 2: Ryan's like, Dad, can we please finish our mozrelistics and
Speaker 2: Christmas can be for a minute. Yeah, And Chris is
Speaker 2: like not being rude, but you can see he's physically
Speaker 2: itching and he's like, we need to yeah, we need
Speaker 2: being human for that, but you can tell it's just
Speaker 2: this is his life and he's living that. And then
Speaker 2: just what happened before I saw what I said. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna talk again because your listeners most of them
Speaker 2: have heard it. But when I witnessed that glowing, beautiful,
Speaker 2: flaming golden orb right above our head, right after he
Speaker 2: told me, what do you want to heal from? Think
Speaker 2: about that, Think about so all of that stuff. I
Speaker 2: saw what I saw, And your dad is just not
Speaker 2: somebody who's trying to beat his chest and tell everybody
Speaker 2: what he thinks. So watching people just get him so
Speaker 2: wrong in comments sections is just it's tough because, like
Speaker 2: I said before we rolled, I wish I could download
Speaker 2: what I saw into everybody's brains.
Speaker 1: I really Doe glad we had you on today because
Speaker 1: I feel like I needed to hear this to be honest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we have been under a lot of pressure lately,
Speaker 1: and I will tell you, like most of it has
Speaker 1: been really positive, Like honestly.
Speaker 2: It gets your story out to more people.
Speaker 1: Honestly, the comments I'm getting, the messages I'm getting, the
Speaker 1: emails are like way more than ten X. I'm telling you, like,
Speaker 1: there is a massive surge in like attention obviously because
Speaker 1: of Sean or anything, right, let's be and a couple
Speaker 1: of other things, but like the the out pouring of
Speaker 1: prayer requests, when can I SkyWatch? When are you gonna
Speaker 1: be on the West Coast? When are you going to
Speaker 1: be in Canada? When are you going to be in
Speaker 1: the UK? You know, and like it's just magnified by
Speaker 1: fifty And then with that also the negativity is magnified too, sure,
Speaker 1: which I mean it's like yes, but also more like
Speaker 1: d ia be like, oh shit, try to harass them
Speaker 1: even more. Right, But I have noticed a major uptick
Speaker 1: on Twitter of like insul harassment, petty stuff. So like
Speaker 1: having you just like even hearing this out of your mouth,
Speaker 1: knowing like who you are and what you've been through,
Speaker 1: what you've experienced separately and with us, and just kind
Speaker 1: of our background together, I feel like wow, like you know,
Speaker 1: I needed to hear that true.
Speaker 4: O lifts me up. Man.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that it's just the truth, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I I wish there was just a way to
Speaker 2: make because your dad's only one person, and I wish
Speaker 2: there was a way that this could be more on
Speaker 2: we could people could witness what I witnessed. I really
Speaker 2: wish that because it definitely changed my outlooks as and
Speaker 2: I always like whenever shit gets hard, as like remember
Speaker 2: the orbs. That's like our hatch phrase at the house,
Speaker 2: because you know how you just get back into the
Speaker 2: day to day, like you're scrolling on your phone and
Speaker 2: you're just like in the shit again and you're just
Speaker 2: going or you're like depressed, and Zaz is like, remember
Speaker 2: what we saw, like please remember this, and then we
Speaker 2: go whoa, yeah, you know. So it's just a it
Speaker 2: was such a gift to have that experience. And the
Speaker 2: internet's a really messy place. But you guys are taking
Speaker 2: the high road.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I've never seen you guys not take the high road.
Speaker 2: I have to admit I had my popcorn out when
Speaker 2: you put that statement out about the Sean Ryan episode.
Speaker 1: I have had my moments, for sure. I've definitely had
Speaker 1: my moments.
Speaker 2: I'm not proud of it, but I feel But the
Speaker 2: thing is, if people actually put themselves in your shoes,
Speaker 2: just yours for this purpose of this example, what you
Speaker 2: guys went through being told being basically your dad kicked
Speaker 2: out of church, being like scapegoaded by your entire community.
Speaker 2: Basically like enduring like a half of your life witch
Speaker 2: hunt and then watching people call your dad a liar
Speaker 2: when you've literally seen your dad go through hell and
Speaker 2: change as a person and have all these absolutely like
Speaker 2: miraculous things happen. It would make anyone, I feel like
Speaker 2: anyone would be handling it worse. You're handling it with
Speaker 2: a lot of grace, you know, And you guys don't
Speaker 2: have like a whole comm's team or anything like. I
Speaker 2: bet half the time you want to just go off
Speaker 2: on people, and it's not I can't even That's why
Speaker 2: I don't even go on camera half the time. I
Speaker 2: don't want to be perceived. Don't come for me. Please
Speaker 2: where I'm.
Speaker 4: Gonna tell you, guys, I don't want to be perceived.
Speaker 1: You guys really appreciate this. Actually, there's one and I
Speaker 1: mean this jokingly. I do not mean this seriously, but
Speaker 1: there's one thing you do that makes me mad, and
Speaker 1: it's I can't comment on your funny ass stories on
Speaker 1: it because the genius of I'm telling the guys, That's
Speaker 1: why I'm like addressing a third person. But the genius
Speaker 1: of her channel is that she advertises like one through me.
Speaker 1: You should follow her if you haven't yet. Like her
Speaker 1: memes are next level.
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm proud of my meme curation game.
Speaker 1: They're really funny.
Speaker 2: It's been a passion of mine for a long time,
Speaker 2: for many a year, and then one day I thought,
Speaker 2: why the why the fuck am I not just doing
Speaker 2: this on on my page to promote my podcast. And
Speaker 2: then some people will say I'm a thief that I
Speaker 2: steal memes. But listen, there's a whole other conversation your curator. Yeah,
Speaker 2: people saying.
Speaker 5: Listen, they don't want me to come for them.
Speaker 2: When people, when meme artists come for me and send
Speaker 2: me a whole ass email with their one in precious
Speaker 2: lives to tell me, oh yeah, and then I'm going
Speaker 2: to copyright strike you. I'm like the permission of the
Speaker 2: woman that's in the picture that you screenshot from Pinterest
Speaker 2: and then the words that you rejimbled around and then
Speaker 2: screenshot on your phone and typed over. Please go write
Speaker 2: a book or something.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a soul a live that could
Speaker 1: survive Molly coming after you. No, you, we are very
Speaker 1: lucky that you are on.
Speaker 3: Me and Casey cackle, just like sharing the memes. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: we've both followed.
Speaker 2: For that's fantastic. It's the Internet. The Internet is a collective, right,
Speaker 2: We're all screenshott and changing doing stuff. So just it's
Speaker 2: not that deep, you know, and go pick up a
Speaker 2: paintbrush or even make your own a I RT. But
Speaker 2: don't screenshot something on Pinterest and write a couple of
Speaker 2: tailor swift lyrics and say that you're an artist.
Speaker 1: Make it just the just man, I want some tea.
Speaker 4: I should have made some damn tea.
Speaker 2: You should have I made.
Speaker 1: I know I wish I drink tea before, but I
Speaker 1: wish I had it right now?
Speaker 2: What can I say? What can I say? It was?
Speaker 2: I really did consider put because I get to relax
Speaker 2: my baby sleeping. I said, should I put some red
Speaker 2: wine in my coffee? But I didn't, Guys, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I made. I considered it, but I thought, you know
Speaker 2: how much you know how I am. Now I'm a lightweight.
Speaker 2: I have one glass of red wine and we're off.
Speaker 1: It's over. But that's something that I understand why you
Speaker 1: do it because you don't want to be easily accessible.
Speaker 1: But like, there are so many memes you post where
Speaker 1: I am going. I'm going through the action to like
Speaker 1: type like hilarious response and there's no bar and.
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, I need to turn them back on.
Speaker 2: You want to know why I did it, It's because
Speaker 2: I will just be in my d MS all day,
Speaker 2: laughing with my friends about memes like I will be
Speaker 2: doing that, So I basically do it to own myself in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me and Nick or even me and Alex, depending
Speaker 1: on like the thing we come up, we'll be like that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we're like for we'll just be laughing about a
Speaker 1: particular TikTok or particular something.
Speaker 3: But man, I don't think the world could handle the
Speaker 3: type of ship that we send to each other.
Speaker 4: I really don't think they could handle, like.
Speaker 2: Knowing totally unhinged, like this unfilter friendship. Well when no
Speaker 2: one for as long as you guys have been friends,
Speaker 2: it's like, those are the that stay in the vault.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no fear, those are the things the vault.
Speaker 3: Oh, my Ryan and I have vines from back in
Speaker 3: the day that we made together.
Speaker 1: We still reference.
Speaker 4: We still reference with them.
Speaker 1: No, no, just old things.
Speaker 2: So sad.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, Yeah, it's it's a long storied friendship, and
Speaker 3: and it gets more and more unhinged as the years
Speaker 3: go by, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and I'm proud of that, and I'm happy with
Speaker 1: that as it should be. When we were in high school,
Speaker 1: we would make YouTube videos together. And the funny thing
Speaker 1: is there are nowhere to be found. Glad we're talking
Speaker 1: about they're like literally gone, Like there's.
Speaker 5: What did you guys do?
Speaker 2: Like skits?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like dude, we thought we were so funny, but
Speaker 1: it was like two thousand and eight.
Speaker 5: Was how old were you guys in two thousand and eight?
Speaker 1: Just out of curiosity, probably like fourteen or fifteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so like you guys, I'm not that much
Speaker 2: older than you guys, I was eighteen.
Speaker 4: No, I'm thirty Ryan, I'm thirty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and eight a year that the economy crashed
Speaker 2: and you guys were dancing on YouTube.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we didn't know what the.
Speaker 1: Documentary came out about us.
Speaker 4: Oh that was that year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually I think it was more like twenty ten
Speaker 1: we were making YouTube videos.
Speaker 4: I want to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was a junior in high.
Speaker 4: School, so I'm at Casey in twenty ten. That couldn't
Speaker 4: have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's two school years in twenty ten, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, Yeah, maybe it was.
Speaker 1: It was like for me it was junior year.
Speaker 3: The point is, I'm so glad that no one will
Speaker 3: ever see those videos.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they were pretty bad first Never the reason
Speaker 1: I bring it up. There was one in particular that
Speaker 1: we had made and like I've talked about it on
Speaker 1: the show. This is not new, but uh, a girl
Speaker 1: had dumped me. But I was like happy about it.
Speaker 2: Were happy?
Speaker 1: Yeah those Yeah, like we made a video about it,
Speaker 1: and it started spreading around the schools. Mean, no it
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't mean it it was anonymous, only a
Speaker 1: small together. Yeah no, no, it wasn't like that wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Actually in the skit you were sad, Yeah, of course
Speaker 3: in the skit it wasn't even like.
Speaker 1: And I didn't say any names or anything. It was
Speaker 1: like they didn't know. Yeah, so dumb, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was so stupid. But like the ridiculous part is
Speaker 1: like people around the school will be walking up to
Speaker 1: us and like quoting and stuff, and we're like, what
Speaker 1: is happening?
Speaker 2: Happened? Guys were basically early viral meme star it had.
Speaker 1: Like three hundred views or something like that. Happen like,
Speaker 1: you know, a third of the school, you know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: enough about that, So that was a good segue.
Speaker 2: I like that Lore and Ryan.
Speaker 1: Lore inspired by your memes. So I get it.
Speaker 2: You guys have a couple name like a lion. Oh no,
Speaker 2: it would be no, it would be uh nick, rick,
Speaker 2: rick rick Rick.
Speaker 1: Couple names.
Speaker 4: That's it. We've never had a couple of names before.
Speaker 1: And you just know it's definitely.
Speaker 5: To that discord. Everybody start calling them rick.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, oh my god.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: Alex is pointing at us like we're going to suffer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ricky, Ricky.
Speaker 1: We used to call people ricky. Yeah, we actually did.
Speaker 1: Used to call people ricky like it was an inside joke.
Speaker 2: It was asset you are.
Speaker 1: That's all the equipment behind her.
Speaker 2: I'm remote viewing your your childhood right now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's watching the videos.
Speaker 2: I said, never say never. I'm in that way back machine.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm sending you an animal right now? What
Speaker 1: does it go?
Speaker 2: Koala?
Speaker 1: Dang, you were supposed to say done.
Speaker 4: I knew you were thinking.
Speaker 2: Sorry, guys, mk Ultra really scrambled. I'm not as good
Speaker 2: as I understand.
Speaker 1: No, but that's funny you say rick, because we really did.
Speaker 1: It was like not a mean insult, but it was
Speaker 1: an inside joke, like.
Speaker 4: It's like a dork. It's like a dork.
Speaker 2: You guys had like your mean girls like fetch word.
Speaker 2: You just mean that's so great?
Speaker 4: Were we mean girls?
Speaker 5: No? No, but I meant, like you know, how we did.
Speaker 2: That's another thing we do in junior high high school,
Speaker 2: like make our little inside joke words. You know, yeah,
Speaker 2: good times.
Speaker 1: I meant to bring this up earlier, but you were
Speaker 1: on one and I did not want to. Uh no.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like you know when a bull is
Speaker 1: like you know, it's it's.
Speaker 4: All he can be careful. Think about what you're.
Speaker 5: Saying as a massive compliment.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a compliment. You you were on one and
Speaker 1: you were spending some game to the truth. And I've
Speaker 1: I found your series that you were referring to on
Speaker 1: your podcast, and I want to very heavily I want
Speaker 1: to say that, like I have listened to this how
Speaker 1: many parts is it too? I have completed the first
Speaker 1: part and I have like.
Speaker 2: I can't co sign part two.
Speaker 1: I will no, no, no, no, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1: I have personally heard the first part. I have taken
Speaker 1: a break because I've been listening to the Telepathy tapes.
Speaker 1: I'm a very because we make our own content and
Speaker 1: we're very busy people. I don't just like the podcast
Speaker 1: all day. I do, and I'm there's certain times that
Speaker 1: I do. And right now I've been consumed by the
Speaker 1: Telepathy tapes. And then when I finish that, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back to your part two because it's brilliant stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's called this episode isn't about UFOs Dash, It's
Speaker 1: about you. Part one on back to the Borderline, please
Speaker 1: from the border from the borderline.
Speaker 2: That we don't want to go back there.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, we don't yes back from the Borderline. This
Speaker 1: is Molly's show. Like I said, I have heard this.
Speaker 1: It is kind of like about us, but also it's
Speaker 1: deeper than that, and it's bigger than that, and it's
Speaker 1: like all encompassing of the UFO subject and it is
Speaker 1: very brilliant. Bravo. I just didn't want to interrupt you
Speaker 1: earlier for the bog on that because.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. I worked really hard on that episode.
Speaker 1: I know episode one is like how many hours?
Speaker 2: It's long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you have like a whole other part.
Speaker 1: See the picture here, it's kind of like a like a.
Speaker 2: Oh made that with a really yeah? So made that
Speaker 2: was so talented.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the ship. Yeah, the ship he is.
Speaker 5: By the way, he told me to tell you guys, hi,
Speaker 5: I was supposed to do.
Speaker 3: Please tell him hi, hey, and uh, please tell him
Speaker 3: that we are we are working our hardest on twice Born.
Speaker 2: And he's wanting to get on that.
Speaker 4: I text him.
Speaker 3: I text him like a month or two ago and
Speaker 3: was like, bro it, it's been such a long.
Speaker 2: Time, and he said that too. He was like, last year.
Speaker 1: Last year was insane.
Speaker 4: It's too much.
Speaker 1: We were barely floating above water last year. For various reasons.
Speaker 1: I bought a house, which, by the way, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you noticed her studio is different.
Speaker 2: It looks great, Nick.
Speaker 1: It was just a lot of reasons. Last year was
Speaker 1: so insane. Twice Twice Bourne was on I know, right,
Speaker 1: I was. What you're learned about me is I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like ADHD dyslexic, where I'm already thinking five words
Speaker 1: ahead and then I like pull it. That's why so
Speaker 1: I was trying to say twice Bourne is on the
Speaker 1: back burner, and it came out twice burned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, burn is on the back burner.
Speaker 1: They are fine, Yeah, that's right, right, But anyway.
Speaker 2: It's hard you have to give. And also I think
Speaker 2: there's something to be said about really waiting when you
Speaker 2: have something creative to say, when you guys have like
Speaker 2: a real an urge, it will come happening, you know.
Speaker 2: And yeah, exactly. So I think that people like in
Speaker 2: the music industry, they are like just churning music out
Speaker 2: because they have to, and I think we're missing Yeah,
Speaker 2: they and they again they have to because they're signed
Speaker 2: to record labels and they're literally like in creative chains.
Speaker 2: But when you can just do it, you know, for
Speaker 2: the love of it, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like we could have forced it and like like
Speaker 3: really you know, force something, but every time we talk
Speaker 3: about it or or work on it or whatever, it's
Speaker 3: always very like no pressure. We're not putting pressure on
Speaker 3: this ship, because that's when ship gets nasty and bad
Speaker 3: and whatever. So it's very much just we leave space
Speaker 3: for it. We're holding we're holding.
Speaker 4: Space for it.
Speaker 2: You're creating a safe we're holding we're twice born exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we allowreat.
Speaker 5: Trauma informed of view.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look you're giving is giving like a therapist like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: We use our tools. We have our tools are are
Speaker 4: our emotional tools? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about another shot? I was being.
Speaker 2: Fired?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was being the contractor guy that doesn't want
Speaker 1: to go deep or whatever shots by So speaking of deep,
Speaker 1: when we recorded last time, and I apologize if I
Speaker 1: don't remember, because it's been a year and a half,
Speaker 1: did you come to our house first and then we
Speaker 1: record or was it the other way around?
Speaker 2: No, I'm pretty sure that we recorded after because you
Speaker 2: said it was November, wasn't it? So we would have
Speaker 2: been at your house in September? Because that's okay, So
Speaker 2: it was a couple months after.
Speaker 1: Okay, But granted that was two years ago now. So
Speaker 1: I think a lot in all of our lives has changed,
Speaker 1: a lot in the world has changed. So what I
Speaker 1: think would be really cool is to talk about some
Speaker 1: of the change that has unfolded in your life since
Speaker 1: integrating this.
Speaker 2: Experience, you know, absolutely. I think what has helped me
Speaker 2: is because when I even messaged you initially before, when
Speaker 2: I listened to Duncan Trussel and who, by the way,
Speaker 2: is still one of my favorite people that has interviewed you.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I think that he's a fantastic interviewer because he's a mystic.
Speaker 2: He's a real mystic for sure, one hundred percent, and
Speaker 2: so I think that he can. I would love to
Speaker 2: hear him talk to your dad.
Speaker 1: I texted him a few weeks ago about that, and
Speaker 1: I've just pretty much resigned to like, and it's not
Speaker 1: just me either, everybody that I have ever met that
Speaker 1: have had contact with him, Like it's been like three
Speaker 1: different people in the last month have been like, dude,
Speaker 1: I can't get him to respond anymore like me either.
Speaker 1: I think he's just I don't know. So I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of like.
Speaker 2: Having a little like creative like sometimes people are recorded
Speaker 2: way ahead of schedule and they're like having like a
Speaker 2: little bit of a hiatus or something.
Speaker 5: You never know, he might be taking something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't get a hold of him anymore.
Speaker 1: And that's okay. It's no hard feelings there. I Duncan.
Speaker 1: I did text him being like, I would love to
Speaker 1: hook you up with my dad to get dad on
Speaker 1: the show. But that's Okay, his loss. If that doesn't happen, No, it.
Speaker 2: Would be a fantastic conversation. I would love to hear it.
Speaker 2: But you know, I was already way down the rabbit
Speaker 2: hole before then with all of this stuff and then
Speaker 2: experiencing it obviously on your podcast just two months after that,
Speaker 2: so I hadn't had exposure to the UFO like discourse space,
Speaker 2: like I was outside of that, and so ever since then,
Speaker 2: I've obviously been keeping up with uap ufo what do
Speaker 2: they call it ufo Twitter? Even though it's not twitter
Speaker 2: ufo X. I can't call it x. It just doesn't
Speaker 2: flow off the tongue. What do you say when you tweet?
Speaker 2: Like is it?
Speaker 5: Is it a zeit?
Speaker 2: Now? That is like skeet, And then I'm like, ah,
Speaker 2: you know, I can't call it twitter because then I'm like,
Speaker 2: I still say tweet. Elon Musk really got himself into
Speaker 2: a pickle with that rebrand.
Speaker 5: It just doesn't flow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a little weird.
Speaker 2: But I digress, which is my professional specialty, as you
Speaker 2: can tell by this episode. But I've been in that
Speaker 2: world now since having that experience, and we already dipped
Speaker 2: our toes into how I feel because I feel like hurt.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: Well, gosh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: All I know is that I spend all of my
Speaker 2: waking time semi autistically reading about these things because I
Speaker 2: actually deeply am passionate about this, right, And when I
Speaker 2: say that, I mean I'm dead serious. If hyper fixation
Speaker 2: on a subject, I probably could get some kind of
Speaker 2: autism diagnosis. But y'all know how I feel about that,
Speaker 2: like just over diagnosing. But one hundred percent, I'm down
Speaker 2: the rabbit hole on this stuff, reading it all the time.
Speaker 2: And so when I listen to these interviews, it's fascinating,
Speaker 2: fascinating reading about all this stuff and then watching these
Speaker 2: people talk and hearing things that have parallels to certain stuff.
Speaker 2: Like I messaged you the other day, Ryan, when I
Speaker 2: was listening to one of these big disclosure guys that's
Speaker 2: come out, and I went, Wow, that sounds like a
Speaker 2: mystery school initiation rights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, and.
Speaker 2: Can I speak to it a bit because I feel
Speaker 2: like it's interesting? Yeah, So obviously, like everyone and their dog,
Speaker 2: I was watching these Jake Barber interviews and I found
Speaker 2: them really interesting, and some of the more interesting ones
Speaker 2: that have come forward, I really found him interesting to
Speaker 2: listen to. But there was one and I can't remember
Speaker 2: if it was when he was on Jesse Michael's show
Speaker 2: or with it, because there were so many hours of
Speaker 2: him talking. But I listened to one part and he's
Speaker 2: talking about how these psionic assets, which we could go
Speaker 2: it sounds like they are procured in not an ethical
Speaker 2: way and not treated very ethically, and it sounds.
Speaker 5: Really dark and horrible.
Speaker 2: But that aside, they found out that putting these psionic
Speaker 2: assets into a fight or flight state, like they have
Speaker 2: to activate their nervous system, make them afraid. It reminded
Speaker 2: me of you know the elos Yeah, yeah, but the
Speaker 2: Elosinian mysteries or any kind of like. And I told
Speaker 2: Ryan the show, the movie, the show, I sound like
Speaker 2: a boomer that show, the movie The Northman where they
Speaker 2: you know, they put him through an initiation and they
Speaker 2: take him down. They have him crawling on the ground
Speaker 2: like a wolf, and then he has to say he
Speaker 2: agrees to go through this. Back then they would say
Speaker 2: children can't consent to this, right, you know, but this
Speaker 2: is what they did. And the kid said, yes, I'm
Speaker 2: ready to be a man, right, And he's crawling around
Speaker 2: up and then you learned.
Speaker 5: What is that saying?
Speaker 2: It's like you have to master your animal instincts and
Speaker 2: then willingly say I want to be a man.
Speaker 5: So what does that mean?
Speaker 2: A man is like brave, a man is not afraid, right,
Speaker 2: And so they make the kid walk crawl through a
Speaker 2: tube and that's like a womb right, being born into
Speaker 2: the center of this like initiator experience. So they did
Speaker 2: that back then, you know what I mean. They did
Speaker 2: that to make these people have these mystical experiences. And
Speaker 2: it's like what I said before, it's like we've stripped
Speaker 2: the heart and soul out of it. But they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we can activate the nervous system. It's like, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: doing like a horrible butchered version of an initiation, right.
Speaker 2: And so, but the thing is is, if you had
Speaker 2: someone who actually specialized in something like this questioning Jake Barber,
Speaker 2: it would be a very different conversation and they may
Speaker 2: be able to go there with him. And I find
Speaker 2: myself watching these interviews and I'm like, man, I wish
Speaker 2: I could pick someone else to interview this this person
Speaker 2: and like go there, like down these rabbit holes, because
Speaker 2: it's frustrating reading all the mystical literature and going down
Speaker 2: these avenues and then watching how we are just so
Speaker 2: like not going there when we're talking to these people,
Speaker 2: so we're not getting that much information really, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: every gay they're like big breakthrough, big new breakthrough. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what's the breakthrough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the guy that has the story that's
Speaker 1: like literally our story.
Speaker 4: Oh oh oh oh oh.
Speaker 2: How he had the spiritual experience and he felt like
Speaker 2: he was going to cry. He said, it felt like
Speaker 2: it felt like my mother, it felt like my daughter.
Speaker 2: He's experiencing what he's displaying. Yes, so like he really
Speaker 2: and to his credit, you know, because again someone in
Speaker 2: his archetype, you know, that's pushing himself out there. And
Speaker 2: I think also people just don't know what to do
Speaker 2: with that because the collective is so scrolling on their
Speaker 2: phones and just an NPC land. Not the people listening
Speaker 2: to this podcast, but the average everyday person is just
Speaker 2: like what I lived in the UK and don't come
Speaker 2: for me people in the UK, but you'll know this
Speaker 2: if you're there.
Speaker 5: They are also.
Speaker 2: Particularly agnostic in the United Kingdom, like at least in
Speaker 2: London where I was. Yeah, it's not cool to think
Speaker 2: about spirituality. Right, it's very it's it's just not and
Speaker 2: please let me know if I'm wrong. And that's changed
Speaker 2: people listeners. But I remember being there and people are
Speaker 2: the British stereotype actually is the English rather, it's very
Speaker 2: very true of being very kind of buttoned up and
Speaker 2: like life or death another like you know, like they're
Speaker 2: really uncomfortable with that stuff. And so it's interesting to
Speaker 2: watch the collective who's pretty much some kind of on
Speaker 2: that that spectrum of just like I don't want to
Speaker 2: go there. And then there's the rest of us that
Speaker 2: are like swimming in this water all the time, and
Speaker 2: we're just going like can we get get to the
Speaker 2: better stuff? Not just this surface level stuff. But I
Speaker 2: guess to the average everyday person, these are like huge revelations.
Speaker 6: I suppose, yeah, wow, that I didn't even I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't know anything about the what you know that
Speaker 6: they think about over there, but like, I don't know,
Speaker 6: it seems like this is a global phenomenon at this point,
Speaker 6: is it not, like well now.
Speaker 2: Now it is, yeah, but it's if you think about it,
Speaker 2: just guys, five years ago, no one was talking about
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 5: This has been on a hyper.
Speaker 3: Even three years ago. You know, yeah, it's it's really
Speaker 3: the past. I feel like it's the past, like year
Speaker 3: and a half.
Speaker 1: It just like took off now, especially the past two months.
Speaker 1: We're never going back. Oh dude, the past few months January.
Speaker 3: Like the momentum is on a tan it is. It's
Speaker 3: it's honestly nuts. It's like every day I'm seeing new information,
Speaker 3: new UFO stories, stuff on the news and like like
Speaker 3: the drones, and it's every day it's something. It's ye
Speaker 3: and it's like, who's putting their spin on it?
Speaker 2: Are people ready for the ontological shock? What? The one
Speaker 2: thing I really liked that Jake Barber said in his
Speaker 2: interview was he said it won't be ontological shock, it
Speaker 2: will be ontological relief, Like if we find this out,
Speaker 2: because he said everybody, well not everyone, but I think
Speaker 2: he did. He goes, everyone always has that feeling of
Speaker 2: like there's got to be something more you know to
Speaker 2: this life than just what we're told. And so he
Speaker 2: said that disclosure in the way that he if he
Speaker 2: could share what he knows and feels, like if he's
Speaker 2: talking about this beautiful spiritual realization he had and that
Speaker 2: beautiful feeling he said, it wouldn't be ontological shock, it
Speaker 2: would be ontological relief. And I I tend to agree
Speaker 2: with that. You know, I think that if people actually
Speaker 2: realize that they could have these experiences on their own
Speaker 2: and really and they didn't approach it with fear, it
Speaker 2: would be But unfortunately that doesn't seem to be how
Speaker 2: it's panning out because there's so many there's just so
Speaker 2: much confusion and uh information coming from all angles. Like
Speaker 2: if I can't keep up, if you guys can't keep up,
Speaker 2: imagine how the average person if they even dipped a
Speaker 2: toe into all of this, they'd be so confused.
Speaker 5: They're like, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: There's a big push from the dark side, so to speak,
Speaker 1: the negative agenda, the dark force that that are like
Speaker 1: putting out the lie. There's a really big push and
Speaker 1: the bull crap. Uh little tagline that they try to
Speaker 1: say is like don't trust in AGI, you can't trust
Speaker 1: nhi or they'll use a Bible scripture.
Speaker 2: But we can trust you literally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even can appear as an angel of life.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And the thing that my dad says that I think
Speaker 1: is really brilliant. It's like, look if something demonic and
Speaker 1: evil is appearing when I am praying to God, then
Speaker 1: maybe we should all quit praying literally.
Speaker 2: You know. And it's just it's.
Speaker 1: Literally it's people online who have never had an experience
Speaker 1: and they're researching. They actually have zero credibility, zero.
Speaker 5: Experience, but researching in air.
Speaker 1: They're researching because they're looking at tweets, they're watching the news.
Speaker 1: They have no leg to stand on, no background in this,
Speaker 1: no experience other than U cult like fascination for UFOs,
Speaker 1: and they have the nerve to go online and act
Speaker 1: like they know shit and have an opinion on you know,
Speaker 1: trusting NHI or not trusting Nhi.
Speaker 4: Well, how about you.
Speaker 1: Should not trust the people that are neuro linguistically programming
Speaker 1: you to use a new acronym every.
Speaker 2: Six months precisely, you know.
Speaker 1: And it just made makes me stick, like be gone,
Speaker 1: like you have no room to say anything, you're not
Speaker 1: experiencing anything. Sorry, that's my unhumble moment. But it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, singing it all the time, be gone, you're yes,
Speaker 1: nobody to.
Speaker 2: Me, Well what do they say? Also, just don't speak
Speaker 2: about what you don't know, you know, So like that's it.
Speaker 2: If you haven't if you can't categorically deny it yourself,
Speaker 2: then you just say that you aren't you don't know.
Speaker 2: But it goes back to what Nick was saying. People
Speaker 2: are not comfortable with not knowing, and it just brings
Speaker 2: up another thing. And here I go punching and being
Speaker 2: kind of a bitch. But but it's nothing to I
Speaker 2: think everyone will agree that's listening. Is just sometimes I
Speaker 2: look at the the people that they don't even feel
Speaker 2: like people, right, because we're all dehumanizing ourselves by these
Speaker 2: online anonymous accounts. So God knows where it's all coming from.
Speaker 2: But when I look at the accounts replying to this,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just kind of watch stuff. The people
Speaker 2: that actually feel like they have to add their two
Speaker 2: cents the peanut gallery on X posts. It's like red
Speaker 2: Coala Panda is X posts. That's I'm just going to say,
Speaker 2: that's a certain flavor of individual that that is probably
Speaker 2: not going to say shit if they actually see you
Speaker 2: in person. They just get their rocks off by being
Speaker 2: mean on comments because they're deeply unhappy, and ironically they're
Speaker 2: the people that need this kind of message the most,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: That's so that's so unbelievably true. They are they need
Speaker 3: a little bit of love and compassion, and like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's shadow projection, do you know, Like it's
Speaker 2: almost like they are they're laughing out against the thing
Speaker 2: that they they need the most. And isn't that how
Speaker 2: we are all psychologically?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And it is also the ego thing, because you said
Speaker 3: that earlier as well. It's it's a we don't like
Speaker 3: to not know things, yes, and b we don't like
Speaker 3: to be perceived as not knowing things.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Why And that's the question why, because all the
Speaker 2: wisest people look at the cheshre cat. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: the chess your cat's the wisest person. He's a fictional character.
Speaker 2: But you know, the wisest sage is he is an
Speaker 2: archetype of a wise sage. There are the people that say,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, right, that's like the
Speaker 2: wisest thing. That's why the gesters and medieval times were
Speaker 2: actually very fucking smart people. These weren't just idiots. They
Speaker 2: were a fool. They could say whatever the fuck they
Speaker 2: want to the king, and they actually oftentimes said what
Speaker 2: they needed to hear. They didn't want to hear and
Speaker 2: so it's like that's a very that that trickster energy
Speaker 2: is actually very wise.
Speaker 5: I don't know, what do you know?
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 5: Think about it, ask yourself.
Speaker 2: It's very wise and at a sign of intelligence to
Speaker 2: admit that you don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I think everybody should, but especially people who
Speaker 3: haven't had experiences precisely and want to speak as though
Speaker 3: they have or speak on the subject of people.
Speaker 4: Who have had experiences, and like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and even if you don't believe them, what are
Speaker 2: you getting by being a horrible, mean asshole to strangers?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why, it's been like close to twenty years now
Speaker 1: that we've been having these experiences, these beings and like
Speaker 1: proving that we communicate with them and all that, Like
Speaker 1: that doesn't even need to be stated. And can you
Speaker 1: imagine how much it's like a little pest that's just
Speaker 1: you ever just walk out on a hot summer day
Speaker 1: and there's nats flying around your head and you're just
Speaker 1: like fucking beakne when I open my life.
Speaker 2: We have so many mosquitoes out there, So yes, in Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know that really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, every one of our neighbors has a big
Speaker 2: ass standing water fountain. So it's like, but.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how annoying it is? Like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're I probably shouldn't even say this because then the
Speaker 1: government assets are gonna dial that up now. But like
Speaker 1: to turn on my phone and it's like, don't trust
Speaker 1: n H. I don't trust the message. Don't trust You're
Speaker 1: being deceived by demons. You're being deceived by you.
Speaker 2: Are they mentioning you or are you going like.
Speaker 1: Replying in my comments and stuff? You know, it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: be gone, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Have you do?
Speaker 1: You say it?
Speaker 2: Just say it?
Speaker 1: Alex. Alex said something to say on Instagram from six
Speaker 1: months ago, saying stay away from NHI or you'll get harmed.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, all right, fed, all right, fed, thanks for
Speaker 2: your input.
Speaker 1: Barking when the government tells them to bart that's the
Speaker 1: same one. I'm telling you the truth.
Speaker 4: The people that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, let's go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's just like it's annoying, bro, like I
Speaker 1: have to pretend to have to pretend, you know, Ryan
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: Fair, it's actually healthy to feel that like righteous anger.
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't mean that you have to come
Speaker 2: for them, but to you deserve to be able to
Speaker 2: vent about that because again I ask anyone out there, imagine,
Speaker 2: if you're getting tweet after tweet, message after message, you're
Speaker 2: a liar.
Speaker 5: You're a liar, you're crazy, your dad's.
Speaker 2: As and also the degree of shit they say, Charlatan's grifters,
Speaker 2: your dad is communicating with the devil. These are things
Speaker 2: when you know the beauty of what's behind the experience,
Speaker 2: because again I experienced it myself. Imagine someone saying that
Speaker 2: about your dad. You know who you don't have who
Speaker 2: you know, but I'm speaking to the listeners, to the
Speaker 2: collective you out there, It's like, imagine, no, Ryan, of
Speaker 2: course that's your fucking life every day, but it's like
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be able to handle it. It's like the
Speaker 2: one time when I I, I don't know if you
Speaker 2: guys know, like in a past life, I worked for
Speaker 2: at Louis Uton's pressed office, press office when I lived
Speaker 2: in London.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Actually, fun fact, yeah, I met Kanye West and again
Speaker 2: he's persona on Grada. Now we're not going there, but
Speaker 2: that was back when he was putting his Easy album
Speaker 2: out and Louis Baton put on his album release party,
Speaker 2: and so I got to like walk pat by him.
Speaker 2: He's so short, by the way, blessed. Really, I believe,
Speaker 2: oh so tiny, so so tiny, much tinier than you
Speaker 2: could ever imagine. So small. And yeah, sorry, Kanye, he's
Speaker 2: so small. I was like, damn, cause I'm like five
Speaker 2: seven and I was wearing heels and so I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: hi there, you know, but I was you there. But
Speaker 2: I was so scared because I was a big fan
Speaker 2: of his at the time, like whatever. He is a
Speaker 2: very creative musical person and so at the time it
Speaker 2: was pretty cool to meet him. I was working the party,
Speaker 2: like doing the door. I was the plub But anyway,
Speaker 2: I have a point here is that, like he was
Speaker 2: standing over by the music thing and he has the
Speaker 2: Easy album on his phone and it was the ox
Speaker 2: Chord days. So he's plugging it in to the thing
Speaker 2: and I see his phone. When I say this man
Speaker 2: had like four thousand on read texts. He had like
Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand million emails his phone. I don't like
Speaker 2: having notifications, so like it gave me a heart attack
Speaker 2: looking at his phone. And I saw his phone one yeah,
Speaker 2: like it just looked so insane, and I just went no,
Speaker 2: wonder these people go nuts like.
Speaker 1: I have eighty eight thousand unopened emails.
Speaker 2: Right here, Ryan, That is a crime, look confirm? Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: that actually gets.
Speaker 3: Say the number eighty eight thousand, four hundred and twenty Ryan,
Speaker 3: When are you going to take care of that?
Speaker 2: Like? What the fuck? So what?
Speaker 1: I have fifty three missed calls, forty two unopened text messages,
Speaker 1: you know, and that that.
Speaker 2: Gives me so much anxiety I have.
Speaker 3: Let's see, I have one hundred and ninety six on
Speaker 3: read text messages.
Speaker 5: You nick what?
Speaker 2: I have five right now and I'm sweating for me.
Speaker 4: I'm not good.
Speaker 1: I wish it was five?
Speaker 2: But is I have to because I oh god, no, guys,
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 2: that that's hard and like the weight of that Isn't
Speaker 2: it weird how these little digital interactions can really weigh
Speaker 2: on you, and then you gaslight yourself saying, oh, it's
Speaker 2: not a big deal with these I don't know these people,
Speaker 2: but that affects you. And so yeah, it just definitely
Speaker 2: does this upswelling of things I've told you when we
Speaker 2: were talking the other days. I've been thinking about you, guys,
Speaker 2: because and then Jen, I'm sure, like, what's that like
Speaker 2: to have your partner you're you're trying to lift them
Speaker 2: up and support them through these moments and it's just
Speaker 2: their families getting barraged by hate and just it affects
Speaker 2: everybody in your orbit.
Speaker 5: And I think people don't think about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would. I don't want to like
Speaker 1: characterize it as just being barraged by hate, because like
Speaker 1: rest assured, it's, oh, there's lots of way, way more.
Speaker 1: It's all, it's always way more, for sure, online, you know,
Speaker 1: online for sure.
Speaker 2: I think I meant just the most the most recent upswelling,
Speaker 2: because I feel for a while it was just all love,
Speaker 2: like with the occasional weird hate which is creators.
Speaker 1: And it honestly kind of still is like that, at
Speaker 1: least as far as like comments are concerned. I have noticed,
Speaker 1: like on X particularly, that's where the FEDS and the
Speaker 1: d i A really like to come out to play.
Speaker 2: And they like, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's really a hellscape over there. And
Speaker 1: like the the activity is unusually high from the uh,
Speaker 1: the very obvious targeting accounts. I get the occasional ones
Speaker 1: on Instagram now too, which is really weird. But no,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's still way more positive. It's just
Speaker 1: like I think the increased interaction in general is like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know what I.
Speaker 2: Mean, it's it's stressful.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's the it's not even
Speaker 1: the it's.
Speaker 5: It's almost like energetically, yeah, energetically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel the energy of it, right, because you
Speaker 2: feel it. You see the subject lines, you see the
Speaker 2: beginning of the message, you see and so you're like,
Speaker 2: oh god, oh god, I know that.
Speaker 5: I you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It just it energetically and it's not stress it's just
Speaker 2: kind of going. You're like, it's almost creating like to
Speaker 2: do lists for you in the back of your mind
Speaker 2: and it gives you.
Speaker 1: Uh, subconscious Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like being assaulted with with digital communications.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I don't mean.
Speaker 2: And it's not it's no shade to the people that
Speaker 2: are reaching out to you either. It's just the day,
Speaker 2: our day and age like sometimes like my best friends,
Speaker 2: and it's the same with you, like, right, you know
Speaker 2: that if I message you or if you message me,
Speaker 2: if we don't get back for a few days. Me
Speaker 2: and you are just like that's just the way it is,
Speaker 2: you know, because I think like sending a message now
Speaker 2: it's like the Pony Express. Whenever you get back to me,
Speaker 2: it's all good. Like I don't mind. I actually kind
Speaker 2: of like it. It's like waiting for a letter. It's cool.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be instant. But I think some people,
Speaker 2: as I know from like when I used to have
Speaker 2: my DMS on and listeners would message me like, damn,
Speaker 2: people really think you're out here like able to answer everything,
Speaker 2: and I'm going I don't have the time in the
Speaker 2: day to barely take a shower because of my baby,
Speaker 2: Like I'm sorry your comment is not getting answered. I can't.
Speaker 2: It's hard.
Speaker 5: But anyway, that was a TI rate.
Speaker 1: I love it. No, it's and you know, I'm really happy.
Speaker 1: I'm really grateful. I'm grateful for the growth. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so there are some days, like in the past few days,
Speaker 1: especially where I've been feeling like, oh my god, like
Speaker 1: I have to have a cutoff, I have to have
Speaker 1: a I have to have a boundary where it's like
Speaker 1: eight pm. I'll tell you what. In the last like
Speaker 1: three or four days especially, uh you did that. I
Speaker 1: am like hardly even looking at my social media anymore.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't bear it. I honestly I cannot bear.
Speaker 2: It super healthy. You have to. I have like a
Speaker 2: I literally have you know how you can set up
Speaker 2: focus modes on your iPhone?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah you can't.
Speaker 2: My mine is called Hermit and it has the icon
Speaker 2: of a scissor when I put it on to s
Speaker 2: and I go in Hermit mode all the time, and
Speaker 2: then the only messages that can show are like my
Speaker 2: mom and my sister in zas. So, like you know
Speaker 2: how when you go to focus and it just can
Speaker 2: like delete and so because those are the people that
Speaker 2: I know that if there's an emergency I need that
Speaker 2: actually be able.
Speaker 1: To call me. I just do that. Do not disturb
Speaker 1: is that you.
Speaker 2: Can set up specific you can modify it modes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you should set one.
Speaker 4: On focus is like do not disturb, like what like customize.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'd like Nick can call me, can call me?
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, yeah, it's n for sure.
Speaker 2: It's really so whenever I just need like a moment
Speaker 2: of like smooth brain time, like I just turn on
Speaker 2: Hermit mode and I'm like, uh, no, one knows me, like, yes,
Speaker 2: you know, And all my friends appreciate that because they
Speaker 2: they're like you, right, I know they need their time
Speaker 2: to But yeah, being a creator, I think is something
Speaker 2: I remember early on when I started my podcast, I
Speaker 2: was out there searching for resources of other creators writing
Speaker 2: about creative burnout of like that kind of thing, and
Speaker 2: there's not much out there about it. So as creators,
Speaker 2: it's a very unique experience that we're living, especially when
Speaker 2: we share so vulnerably. A lot of people feel very
Speaker 2: close to you because they listen to you all the time,
Speaker 2: and then they don't know what it's like on your
Speaker 2: end where you're getting a lot of messages and all
Speaker 2: I want is to be able to give everyone a
Speaker 2: very individual reply because they deserve it. I'm so honored,
Speaker 2: But it's going like WHOA. As a creator, you don't
Speaker 2: know how to manage all of that because at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, you're also just one person.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2: And then so you guys must get that on a
Speaker 2: whole other level because even me, I get outreach, but
Speaker 2: probably nothing like what you and especially your dad is getting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was on the phone with Dad today and
Speaker 1: he told me that he like, on his book, he
Speaker 1: has a book email and it's like on that account alone,
Speaker 1: he has seventeen thousand unopened emails from people that that's like.
Speaker 2: Like want him to pray for them, just a various things, Yeah,
Speaker 2: various things.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's insane, and it's you know, we
Speaker 1: really are just normal people. Like, yes, we don't we
Speaker 1: don't have we don't have uh, you know, you know
Speaker 1: who I have? You know who I have? I have
Speaker 1: Nick and Alex.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well su and I have my wife.
Speaker 5: It sounds like a good crew to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, like outside of the family,
Speaker 1: like this is what we have, yeah, and that as
Speaker 1: a manager for his book, and like we don't have
Speaker 1: some crew of like no, you know, all these fricking people.
Speaker 2: But that's that's the future. That's the media of the future.
Speaker 2: You know, we're all the as you can see, mainstream
Speaker 2: media is just like slow dying on the vine. It's
Speaker 2: a pretty beautiful thing to see it. Quite frankly, I
Speaker 2: enjoy it. It's good for us because we're podcasters. We're like,
Speaker 2: thank you, We'll take that. I have a question for you, Ryan,
Speaker 2: let me because I think also your listeners will appreciate
Speaker 2: this question. Do you have like a favorite because it's
Speaker 2: not a negative, I could, we're being positive. Polly's here
Speaker 2: right now, So I'm asking, do you have a favorite
Speaker 2: creator right now that talks about this stuff? Like do
Speaker 2: you ever find yourself or a couple of them that
Speaker 2: you're like really liking right now about what stuff? Just
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff like in the uh, none of it?
Speaker 1: No, why not because most of it's bullshit?
Speaker 2: But I will I will lightly challenge you as your friend.
Speaker 2: Do you think that maybe that is a very black
Speaker 2: and white approach?
Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm happy with that. Yeah, I have nothing
Speaker 1: to prove, like.
Speaker 2: Oh no, some of them have an interesting like some
Speaker 2: of them are like I have an example of one
Speaker 2: of one of them that I absolutely love and I'm curious,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to like James Baldoni, for example,
Speaker 2: the guy who was engaging the phenomenon. Have you ever
Speaker 2: seen his He has kind of a smallesh channel. Man,
Speaker 2: I love that guy. He seems like, Oh he's such
Speaker 2: a sweet nugget.
Speaker 1: No, well, I mean you just got to think about it,
Speaker 1: like when you've been experiencing something for your entire life,
Speaker 1: you know, almost twenty years. And I mean this very
Speaker 1: like respectfully, but you asked, right.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1: Why why?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 1: Like think about could you stomach sitting in your own time,
Speaker 1: like listening to other people talk theoretically about something you've
Speaker 1: been seeing your whole life, Like why It's like I
Speaker 1: have nothing to gain, It'd be a waste of my time.
Speaker 1: What to hear the head them discuss a headline about
Speaker 1: something that I could read in five seconds. I don't
Speaker 1: need to hear their take on something that I've seen
Speaker 1: and they haven't. Let's be honest. Yeah, it's just I'm
Speaker 1: just being honest, like.
Speaker 5: That's and that's fair.
Speaker 2: I guess my my perspective is also that because that
Speaker 2: that makes sense truly, I I get that.
Speaker 5: But I guess what I'm wondering is is you.
Speaker 1: I liked your episode, That's what I mean. It's like yours.
Speaker 2: There we go. So what I'm saying is are there
Speaker 2: people out there like besides me that that you're going? Ah.
Speaker 2: I like how they're approaching this stuff, like the reason
Speaker 2: why I mentioned James Baldoni like that engaging the phenomenon.
Speaker 2: I just love how he again, he seems like another
Speaker 2: one of us, that is that is questioning it all
Speaker 2: and and going on.
Speaker 5: What does what does it mean?
Speaker 2: You know, really like taking a more mystical perspective about it,
Speaker 2: and it's really and he is a very soft spoken person.
Speaker 2: I just I like his vibes. So I didn't know
Speaker 2: if you've ever watched any of his stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay about about Yeah, I mean, I've been in this
Speaker 1: game a long time. No, I know a lot of people.
Speaker 2: People I probably know them, I know, and I'm green
Speaker 2: and I've done that a few times. Yeah, Okay, to shakes,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about you know, not all. Yeah, No, that's
Speaker 2: that's true. That's true, and I know that to be
Speaker 2: the case. Hence why I've gotten just so I've just
Speaker 2: put my nose back into my my favorite books now
Speaker 2: and like going down the path.
Speaker 1: Because let me make it very clear, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to cut you off with you on the
Speaker 1: subject that you you wound me up, on the subject
Speaker 1: that I and you set me free. So now it's
Speaker 1: like I have to I have to tell you this.
Speaker 1: Please most people, even if they appear to have small
Speaker 1: channels out there that are just like your guy talking
Speaker 1: about UFOs, UH probably government don't.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'm okay, Well trust me time anymore. But
Speaker 2: I do watch Danny Jones sometimes just because it's fucking unhinged. Unhinged.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a great show.
Speaker 2: He's got a good show because he's just the people
Speaker 2: there are just it's all over the place. So I
Speaker 2: just I do enjoy watching that. Sometimes.
Speaker 1: You ever wonder how these like small UFO channels can
Speaker 1: get all these high profile powerful uh CIA and pending
Speaker 1: on assets on their show and they all have the
Speaker 1: same message that and they have the same little circles
Speaker 1: of content creators, and they like spout the same bullshit.
Speaker 1: Damn it, Ryan, I mean you asked.
Speaker 5: I know you're right. I see that. Actually I see that.
Speaker 2: My my toxic trait is that I I'm very trusting naturally,
Speaker 2: and so I always just try to see the best.
Speaker 2: But I know that, like I'm not saying that you don't,
Speaker 2: but you've seen too much basically, like you've you've seen
Speaker 2: it all.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean the CIA evaded my life when
Speaker 1: I was fourteen years old, So I just have like
Speaker 1: a different perspective on a lot of these players, and
Speaker 1: that is another reason why I'm like, why would I
Speaker 1: waste my time listening to just other people talk about
Speaker 1: a phenomenon they've never seen? Times are different, maybe they have, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like and it's not even a
Speaker 1: disrespect thing, it's a why waste my time?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you think that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Uh, I can't think off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: like do you think that? Like you know, Emerald is
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast about like, you know, people learning
Speaker 1: how to cook. Like, no, he's out there cooking, he's whoever, that's.
Speaker 2: A terrible emerald of nhim.
Speaker 4: I never heard that.
Speaker 1: What an icon random example that I could think of
Speaker 1: on the fly. But like yeah, like it's just again,
Speaker 1: I say this with respect, but like no that I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't stomach like listening to the UFO content. You know,
Speaker 1: you could listen to my one and I love yours,
Speaker 1: and yours is different.
Speaker 2: I guess why?
Speaker 1: How come? Because A, you're my friend and I know
Speaker 1: you and I trust you and.
Speaker 2: Your adpotism yes friend friend nepotism.
Speaker 1: But it's about me but but no serious answer. It's
Speaker 1: very deep and it encompasses a lot of things, Like
Speaker 1: you're just spot.
Speaker 5: On yes, you're spot on. I say that, Yes I
Speaker 5: am spot on.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not saying I'm not saying that all people
Speaker 1: out there are what I'm describing. I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: would much rather watch my anime. I would much rather
Speaker 1: listen to a podcast.
Speaker 2: Have so much time in the day, why would you
Speaker 2: waste your time listening.
Speaker 1: I'm not a UFO fanatic. I'm not out here desperate
Speaker 1: and be part of the UFO fan club.
Speaker 2: This is you know what, and neither am I. What
Speaker 2: I find is, I guess I am. What I do
Speaker 2: is I listen to it and I'm going like, huh interesting,
Speaker 2: put that in my bag, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's what inspired me to make that episode. If I
Speaker 2: hadn't have been tuned into all this stuff, I never
Speaker 2: would have made that episode because I was listening to
Speaker 2: it and I was like, no, now I got to
Speaker 2: say something. Let me just you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I was just I had to so watching it. I
Speaker 2: watch it and I find it interesting to see some
Speaker 2: of the threads and little echoes of things that I'm
Speaker 2: reading in all of these different books that I'm reading,
Speaker 2: and I'm just going, huh interesting. But I I am
Speaker 2: finding it difficult to keep up these days, and I've
Speaker 2: been kind of stopping because there's only so many four
Speaker 2: hour interviews you can listen to. With the next military dude,
Speaker 2: it gets very old, very old, honestly, very I'm tired.
Speaker 2: For one, I'm tired. How can we get like an
Speaker 2: old funny grandma or something like, come on, I'm so
Speaker 2: tired of us.
Speaker 1: However, you know what, to be fair, we're not a
Speaker 1: UFO show. We're not sitting around talking about you.
Speaker 2: And I think and I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: think that too, and it's just like, no, it's it's actually,
Speaker 2: you guys are just a what would you categorize your
Speaker 2: podcast like a spirituality podcast? Because that's what I.
Speaker 3: Meta documentary, that's what it am. An elevator pist element,
Speaker 3: that's what we've called it. Like the beginning, it's beginning
Speaker 3: because really it's just about the Bledsoe's experience. It's just
Speaker 3: like all the other stuff that we talk about is
Speaker 3: just like hoping to contextualize the experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 4: And that sounds a good the way I said it.
Speaker 2: It did, it really did.
Speaker 1: I'm sold watching sometime. Yeah, I'm watching it right now.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I want to be clear though, Molly,
Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't say what I said to
Speaker 1: make you or anybody feel bad, Okay, I just want
Speaker 1: to stress this. I know that there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there in the world who are so
Speaker 1: obsessed and fascinated by the topic of UFOs that all
Speaker 1: they want to do is research it. That's fine. I
Speaker 1: do not mean any disrespect towards that. I am not
Speaker 1: that guy. You know, my dad was a carpenter for
Speaker 1: fifty years. He's not at home watching carpentry videos at
Speaker 1: night after a job. He's doing the things he enjoys.
Speaker 2: Such a good point. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here trying to research UFOs. I don't feel, honestly,
Speaker 1: as if I need to. I've been experiencing this since
Speaker 1: I was thirteen years old. It is a normal part
Speaker 1: of my life. It's like it's just a fundament.
Speaker 2: And also, you're okay with what you know and what
Speaker 2: you don't know at this point, right like you've made
Speaker 2: peace with it. And I'm not saying you don't because
Speaker 2: there is, yeah, there's something stuff. Nobody knows everything. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean, we don't know. You know what
Speaker 2: you know of your experiences, and that's enough for you, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like you you have your knowing,
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. So it's you're You're not out
Speaker 2: there trying to get somebody else's knowing.
Speaker 1: You have your My research is going out and to
Speaker 1: the side, to the night sky and communicating and getting
Speaker 1: confirmation from the beings. You know. It's not Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not listening to some random show and that's okay. Again,
Speaker 1: I want to stress I'm not knocking anybody that does that. No,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm much more content just watching one piece of chilling.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, we need to do the phone skywatching
Speaker 2: with you and your dad, because remember when we left
Speaker 2: and Chris was like, we'll have to do it where
Speaker 2: we call you because I got to say, I've been
Speaker 2: out a few times and I've tried, and I'm just like, damn, yeah,
Speaker 2: we should. Doesn't just it just doesn't hit the same
Speaker 2: as when you're with let's do it. We should. I
Speaker 2: would love to, Yeah, we'll do it. I go out
Speaker 2: there sometimes and I'm like, Yo, what's up, guys, Let's
Speaker 2: do this again, and they're like, not today, Moly. The
Speaker 2: orbs just aren't aren't playing playing ball with me right now.
Speaker 2: But I go out there. I try.
Speaker 1: Well, I have to say, I'm feeling a little bit. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the word is. You you got
Speaker 1: me wound up on the UFO subject, the good which
Speaker 1: is funny good because I hyped you up before we
Speaker 1: were going to record. We were like, we can't get
Speaker 1: too wound up.
Speaker 2: I know, and look at look what happened me stirring
Speaker 2: the pot.
Speaker 1: She text me today and it was like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously we still have for tonight. Yeah, of course, and uh,
Speaker 1: what do you want to go into tonight? I was like,
Speaker 1: I really want to get down into the esoteric stuff.
Speaker 1: And it ended up being straight UFO hot goss tea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it ended up being straight UFO guests.
Speaker 2: And I'm not madifying it, but I mean, but I
Speaker 2: will say, it's stuff. That's it's it's what's being talked
Speaker 2: about right now. And I and and I also think
Speaker 2: that it's it's the it's the angle that people need
Speaker 2: to be looking at. The The TLDR of it is
Speaker 2: basically just be okay with the unknowable and also go
Speaker 2: out there and have your own experiences in whatever way
Speaker 2: that looks for you. Because for me, I've crafted my
Speaker 2: own pick and mix bag of spirituality, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I read a lot of these books and
Speaker 2: some of my essays. I'm just reading a book right
Speaker 2: now by this sick ass author. She's like but she's
Speaker 2: old like ritual magician style, so you know, she writes
Speaker 2: about this stuff. It's very cool. Her name's what is it,
Speaker 2: Dolores nor Wiki or something. But it's just so funny
Speaker 2: because any any like evangelical Christian would be like, that's
Speaker 2: that's demonic. That's the first three pages. The first three
Speaker 2: pages is this woman who's writing this book in like
Speaker 2: the sixties, and she's like, so, first you're gonna want
Speaker 2: to make your pillars, like you know, the the black
Speaker 2: and white pillars. And she's like, you can get some
Speaker 2: pipes from the local store, spray paint them black. And
Speaker 2: then she's like and I'm like, it's this little grandma
Speaker 2: telling us how to do ritual. Yes, it's just so
Speaker 2: it's so cute. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you read these things though, and that's what I do.
Speaker 2: I read them and then there are little things you
Speaker 2: can pick apart, and then you start to also just
Speaker 2: see the connecting thread of all of this stuff. And
Speaker 2: it's just that your answers are within all of this stuff.
Speaker 2: Even these ritual magicians, they're so silly, you don't need
Speaker 2: She's literally giving us a pattern to make our own rope.
Speaker 5: Like we're little.
Speaker 2: We're like, we're about to do dungeons and dragons right like,
Speaker 2: which like cool, honestly, but I'm not gonna. And she
Speaker 2: also said you can only achieve the results if you
Speaker 2: sow your own rope. I'm like, bitch, I'm not sewing
Speaker 2: my own rope. I'm sorry, I'm not like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: She says, ceiling blue and put stars on the ceiling.
Speaker 2: I'm going, girl, I'm tired. Three pages in, I'm already
Speaker 2: tired of magic.
Speaker 4: Okay, Brenda, I'm not paining my ceiling.
Speaker 1: You real, I got a wizard Amazon.
Speaker 2: It's it's all of these, all of these beautiful spiritual texts.
Speaker 2: People have the kernel of it, but they're all saying,
Speaker 2: this is my way, this is my way, this is
Speaker 2: my way. Yeah, find your way, you know, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean somebody else's way. But as soon as you
Speaker 2: start saying you have to do it like this, and
Speaker 2: it is this, you're already off the mystical path, like
Speaker 2: you're already Yeah, I agree, you're back at square one again.
Speaker 3: You have to maintain some level of agnosticism or.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not necessarily that, but like openness. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's what I mean openness flexibility.
Speaker 3: Because agnosticism is just saying I'm questioning, and you're forever questioning.
Speaker 4: Yes, So as you.
Speaker 3: A little shred, you gotta maintain some agnosticism, like yes,
Speaker 3: get out I love what you're saying. Get out there,
Speaker 3: have your experiences, have your mixed bag of the things
Speaker 3: that you connect with and the things that work for you.
Speaker 2: And also recognize, recognized to be able to spot when
Speaker 2: someone is like doing the most when they're going like, oh,
Speaker 2: I have to do it this way or this, that
Speaker 2: and the other. And watch how easily neuroticism EEPs into everything.
Speaker 2: You know. You can make anything neurotic. You can make
Speaker 2: going on the treadmill neurotic or healthy. You can make
Speaker 2: drinking a glass of wine that's cool, but then the
Speaker 2: whole bottle not so much. Right if you're rigid about things.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing with Zaz is on like his
Speaker 2: protein journey. He's trying to like bulk up again. And
Speaker 2: this man, anyone out there that tries to eat two
Speaker 2: hundred grams of protein, you got to make that your
Speaker 2: whole life.
Speaker 5: So this man is.
Speaker 2: Weighing things, and I'm going, you know what, this is
Speaker 2: giving a like pageant girl anarexia energy that I have
Speaker 2: and when I was sixteen, But you know, like things
Speaker 2: can become neurotic. And he laughs, he's doing it because
Speaker 2: he wants to to get strong again and fair enough,
Speaker 2: this is maybe forever. But I told him, I was like, sas,
Speaker 2: you know that if you're weighing your food forever, like
Speaker 2: that's maybe no longer healthy anymore. That's just neuroticism, and
Speaker 2: which he agrees, And so I'm just going, spirituality can
Speaker 2: become a neuroticism, just like anything else.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what we're sing.
Speaker 1: I agree. I to be completely honest, sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: like I fall into those traps.
Speaker 2: But the fact that you can say that you do
Speaker 2: at least you have an awareness of it, and so
Speaker 2: you can like recalibrate yourself.
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, that's all it takes, is that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we all do I do. I have to
Speaker 2: sometimes go, Okay, you guys probably feel this too. When
Speaker 2: I've really been taking in too much of this stuff,
Speaker 2: I'm going I actually just need to like play Assassin's
Speaker 2: Creed or something, or I need ask me.
Speaker 4: After every single episode we.
Speaker 5: Were right, turn my brain off for a bit.
Speaker 1: I want to hear.
Speaker 3: No, my bandwidth is tiny for this type of stuff,
Speaker 3: and like I'm just every episode I'm like.
Speaker 4: Who okay, guys, I'm beat. Yeah, go home and play
Speaker 4: Minecraft for sure.
Speaker 2: I got it. And that's a good thing. It's like
Speaker 2: the magician tarot card. You know, it's my favorite tarot card. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, you got to have you got to keep
Speaker 2: your one foot on planet Earth with all of this stuff,
Speaker 2: and there's magic in the mundane, you know. That's another
Speaker 2: thing that people forget. I think that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: I just learned this concept called the the hearth Fire,
Speaker 2: and it's all about the magic of tending to your
Speaker 2: everyday life. And I think that's a really beautiful thing, right,
Speaker 2: Like making a cup of tea for the person you
Speaker 2: love can be a magical thing. You can like infuse
Speaker 2: love into doing that or just being with that person
Speaker 2: that you love.
Speaker 5: That's very magical.
Speaker 2: But people are like, no, no, no, I need to
Speaker 2: go and watch the newest UFO thing. No, just do something.
Speaker 2: Tend to the hearth fire. That's just as magical, right
Speaker 2: as as anything else.
Speaker 3: I love that so much, And I love that you're
Speaker 3: saying that because I identify so much with that. Like, yes,
Speaker 3: I'm very much the magic and the mundane type of stuff.
Speaker 3: We were talking about this recently and I said something
Speaker 3: to the effect of, like I feel the exact same
Speaker 3: way like when I see an orb as when I
Speaker 3: do like watching the ocean, like it's so beautiful and captivating. Yes,
Speaker 3: but it's it's all kind of it's all magic to me.
Speaker 3: And yeah, like I love cooking for people and making
Speaker 3: tea or getting people you know, like stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And because it feels it does feel magical.
Speaker 2: It feels like because it is, you're giving energy.
Speaker 5: You are I was about to say, you're giving energy
Speaker 5: to people.
Speaker 2: And think about all those times when you are watching
Speaker 2: the ocean and you have that realization of like, oh
Speaker 2: I need to say that to that person, or Oh,
Speaker 2: you're on a walk and you're going, oh, that's that's
Speaker 2: what I'm going to Oh, that book or whatever. I've
Speaker 2: had so many magical moments like that in the last
Speaker 2: couple of years. Crazy shit, right, where I'm on a
Speaker 2: walk and like a name, Well, what's what I put
Speaker 2: in that episode of UF, the episode Ryan did. I
Speaker 2: was walking and I literally was looking at a hummingbird, right,
Speaker 2: and I just thought, Oh, this name popped into my mind.
Speaker 2: That's very magical.
Speaker 4: Right. It wasn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't seeing a craft, it wasn't a little gray man,
Speaker 2: it wasn't like anything. But it was that's magical too.
Speaker 2: And that was just on a walk with my daughter,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of those little moments just happened because
Speaker 1: for like a good ten minutes now, I was waiting
Speaker 1: for the opportunity to bring this up.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: And then and then you mentioned Assassin's Creed, which was
Speaker 1: my segue into I wanted to ask you because and
Speaker 1: I know I'm stalling on saying what it is because
Speaker 1: I like to build up the question.
Speaker 3: Right, and you're just stalling more by That's that's part
Speaker 3: of it, because particularly helping you, I know, and.
Speaker 1: They're forestalling more, right, and come on, guys, particularly what
Speaker 1: this it is? I have been very interested in as
Speaker 1: of late, which happens to be heavily featured in Assass's creed.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask you if you have been
Speaker 1: interested in this particular subject, which is the Templars.
Speaker 2: Ugh obsessed? You know, get this? How crazy is this?
Speaker 2: Look on my audible? Right now on your audible?
Speaker 1: I yeah, the.
Speaker 4: App Oh oh damn wow, literally right there, it's just
Speaker 4: called the Templar.
Speaker 1: So what's your take?
Speaker 5: What's my take on the Templars?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: God, what a question, Ryan, I mean, what do we
Speaker 2: have another five fucking hours here? I mean that's a
Speaker 2: that's a that's a doozy of a question. I mean,
Speaker 2: I find well, the Templars truly understood the perennial philosophy,
Speaker 2: you know they I just like any organization, do I
Speaker 2: think that when things get it's a really great segue actually,
Speaker 2: because I think as an organization, just like anything, when
Speaker 2: they get too structured, when they start, anything starts the magic.
Speaker 5: That what I've learned. Have you ever heard of an egg, Gregor?
Speaker 2: It's like a concept in magic, right, Yeah, So like
Speaker 2: I think that sometimes that it's just there's something about
Speaker 2: probably happened with the Catholic Church.
Speaker 5: There's a certain magic.
Speaker 2: There, and then it becomes a bloaded institution and it
Speaker 2: loses its magic, and then corrupt people start to see
Speaker 2: it's a way to get money and power and all
Speaker 2: those things. That's how I feel about the Templars. I
Speaker 2: think like eventually things just like the wheels started to
Speaker 2: fall off, But for me, I think that they It's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite things to learn about and geek
Speaker 2: out on. And this book by Dan Brown, I mean
Speaker 2: or Dan Jones, Sorry, have you ever heard of him?
Speaker 2: He hosts this incredible history podcast. I think it's it's
Speaker 2: not the rest is history or something. I mean, his
Speaker 2: voice just so sick and British and like, oh, captivating man's.
Speaker 1: British laws or canons, which is the Kingdom could be
Speaker 1: properly governed in a man pleasant Oh you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Come on. Reminds me of like falling asleep to Harry
Speaker 2: Potter books on tape when I was little. I fall
Speaker 2: asleep to this book. It's no offense. Stand it's really good.
Speaker 2: It's just as well.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's like, whoa.
Speaker 2: It's a fifteen hour deep dive on the Templars. Highly read,
Speaker 2: and Ryan he did a whole other book on like
Speaker 2: the Plantagenet Plantagenet, like Tudor family line, which I think
Speaker 2: you would find very interesting. Yeah, exactly, So I mean,
Speaker 2: what would you what? What do you want to know
Speaker 2: my perspective on the Templars? I guess, like, what do
Speaker 2: you mean? What do I think of them?
Speaker 1: Well? I was just asked them. Yeah, for sure. I've recently,
Speaker 1: I've just recently been very interested in the templars because
Speaker 1: the grand master of a particular templar order has recently
Speaker 1: come on my radar, and.
Speaker 2: I know who it is. Yeah, can I say the name?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care.
Speaker 5: Timothy Hogan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, love him, love him. Have you met him?
Speaker 2: No? I've literally watched probably like fifteen hours of him speak.
Speaker 2: I've listened to every interview he's ever done because I
Speaker 2: love him and I think he's the real deal.
Speaker 1: He's definitely the real deal. I have several friends that
Speaker 1: are very good friends with him and know him personally
Speaker 1: and are even part of the order.
Speaker 2: I am so jealous, and I wish I could come
Speaker 2: on as just a weird little co host for that episode.
Speaker 5: Really, but I'll be listening.
Speaker 1: I'm not in contact. I'm just curious I'm just learning
Speaker 1: myself because.
Speaker 5: Oh, you haven't reached out to him yet.
Speaker 1: Well, no answer. But yeah, well he's busy, yeah, fair,
Speaker 1: And that's okay. You know, I'm just exciting.
Speaker 2: I've seen him on some interesting channels that I would
Speaker 2: be like, you guys have such a I just nerdily
Speaker 2: wish that he will come on here so that I
Speaker 2: can listen to you guys talk to him. He's a
Speaker 2: really interesting guy. But continue, I have a good feeling
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: But long for a short I went on a friend's
Speaker 1: show recently by the name of Matt Bell. He's a
Speaker 1: good friend of mine and he has an amazing show,
Speaker 1: and we became friends because I went on his show.
Speaker 1: I didn't really know him that well yet. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm at his place at his amazing studio in Bradenton, Florida,
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, I had I did an episode
Speaker 1: of my show. You should really check out when you
Speaker 1: you know, when you're out of here. It's uh with
Speaker 1: the Grand Master of the Templar Knights. You should check
Speaker 1: it out. And I was like, okay, Now, I went
Speaker 1: and I listened. At about two hours in, they start
Speaker 1: talking about me, and I was like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: this is weird? Wait, Timothy Hogan did well, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: the host brought it up, and then so what did
Speaker 1: he's What was Timothy Hogan's take on Well, they were
Speaker 1: I came up because they were talking about how the
Speaker 1: Templar Knights do initiations at the temples in Egypt, at
Speaker 1: the pyramids, they actually host initiations and there have been
Speaker 1: many occasions where they'll see orbs over the pyramid and
Speaker 1: they they and you could tell that his uh, his
Speaker 1: understanding of it was pretty high level, but not like
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like the beings are coming down
Speaker 1: and you know, giving them the whole works.
Speaker 2: But yeahs you know.
Speaker 1: But I will say this actually accidentally ties back to
Speaker 1: the question earlier you asked, when I'm interested in hearing
Speaker 1: people's take on UFOs, Well, this is exhibit A. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Grand Master of the Templar Order, you're talking about
Speaker 1: having initiations in the temples at Sick Egypt, and then
Speaker 1: they get outside and they get into a meditative, you know,
Speaker 1: state that's heart centered. He says, it's all about being
Speaker 1: in the state of the heart, and we send the
Speaker 1: frequency out and then every now and then they will
Speaker 1: see orbs, it'll appear and then it's gone, and that's it.
Speaker 1: That's the extent of it. He's not claiming he knows
Speaker 1: exactly what they are other than you know, it's a
Speaker 1: spiritual thing.
Speaker 2: And again that's an example of a guy who has
Speaker 2: done his own spiritual homework. You know, he's even the
Speaker 2: grand Master. And by the way, his background is so
Speaker 2: fascinating as a person. So but he's been he has
Speaker 2: been swimming in this since he was a child, was
Speaker 2: so young, he was born into it exactly. But he
Speaker 2: even with everything he knows and has seen, he still
Speaker 2: maintains the energy of someone that's like, you know, like
Speaker 2: I don't claim to know exactly what this is. He
Speaker 2: just claims is he he comes across as that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've listened to a few of his interviews now
Speaker 1: just because of that, and uh.
Speaker 2: I love listening to him talk. Listeners should definitely google
Speaker 2: Timothy Hogan and like watch him.
Speaker 1: Absolutely start with the Matt Bell one just because that's
Speaker 1: my friend. This vase here is a well I'm covering it,
Speaker 1: but this this plastic thing here is a uh how
Speaker 1: can I say this? It is a three D print
Speaker 1: It's a three D printed one to one replica of
Speaker 1: five thousand year old Egyptian vases that my friend Matt owns.
Speaker 1: He has like the largest private collection in the world.
Speaker 1: They're actually ancient face many of them are like mint condition.
Speaker 4: Yeah. He like did like a three D scan of it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 1: Then three D printed it and he gave it to
Speaker 1: me as a gift. So I keep you here in
Speaker 1: my studio.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's such a cool gift.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's a really cool guy. He's like the Bruce
Speaker 1: Wayne and podcasting. He's a ceo by day. He owns
Speaker 1: and runs you know, bells. Have you heard of bells
Speaker 1: the retail store. It's like it's super big, especially in Florida. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he's like the ceo of bells by day and then
Speaker 1: by night he has like this badass podcaster like Bro,
Speaker 1: you're Bruce Wayne.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 1: Anyway, he put me onto the templar thing, and that's
Speaker 1: why I asked you. Because of that experience, I'm particularly
Speaker 1: interested in studying the templars. And the more I study
Speaker 1: and the more I like learn, I'm like, hmm. So,
Speaker 1: on the one hand, you have the Rosicrucians claiming that
Speaker 1: they're the oldest tradition. But then on the other hand,
Speaker 1: you have.
Speaker 5: But I think there's a lot of crossover between the two.
Speaker 1: There is, But then you have no real historical evidence
Speaker 1: of the Rosicrucians until like the sixteen hundreds when those
Speaker 1: manifestos start popping up. Then, on the other hand, the
Speaker 1: Templars are legitimately historically older, and they're claiming that the
Speaker 1: Rosicrucians came from them.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, hmmm, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a Rosicrucian kick for a while. Now I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm in a Templar kick.
Speaker 2: I'm like trying to I feel like they're one and
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 1: Truth they are, but it's like, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the same panthers.
Speaker 2: It's all you know what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, It's it's all a bunch of big, oiled up,
Speaker 1: muscular dudes with not much more capacity for life out
Speaker 1: there throwing a ball on a grass field. I mean,
Speaker 1: what else are they doing there? It's what they do.
Speaker 1: They throw a ball. They say, all right, everybody, go ball,
Speaker 1: and they throw a ball. That's what they do.
Speaker 2: And some of them were a same my spirit right now, some.
Speaker 1: Of them wear a panther's jersey. But it's all it's
Speaker 1: all fooz a ball. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's just different teams. Yeah, a fooz
Speaker 1: a ball there's you know, it's all sports ball.
Speaker 2: Well, I love both of those teams. I play for
Speaker 2: both those teams. I play for the Templars and the Rosicrucians.
Speaker 2: I like them, and but I do not hate. Was
Speaker 2: just the joke, I know, I I but the Rosicrucians
Speaker 2: to me, it's more like, I don't know about you, Ryan,
Speaker 2: when I have listened, when I've read about it, it's
Speaker 2: more like the Rosicrucians are very similar to like the
Speaker 2: Grail myth, where I feel like the Rosicrucians were almost
Speaker 2: because Christian Rosencreuz don't quote quote me on that thatt,
Speaker 2: but the guy, the person of the Rosicrucian order, they
Speaker 2: say that that he may never have even actually existed.
Speaker 2: It may have been like it's more of like this
Speaker 2: mythical thing, just like the Grail myth is like who
Speaker 2: knows if there was actually a Grail. It's more of
Speaker 2: the holy Grail, is you right? The journey within? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think and the Templars were actually a legit
Speaker 2: organization like they they were they their purpose was to
Speaker 2: make sure that people that were going on pilgrimages weren't
Speaker 2: getting murdered. You know, they could actually go to and
Speaker 2: take pilgrimages to these to these sites and have these
Speaker 2: spiritual revelations, arguably taking them to spiritually SkyWatch.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know it's crazy. My mother has seen a
Speaker 1: massive orb very close. It was over the tiny house
Speaker 1: that you stayed in. Oh wow, like on the roof
Speaker 1: of that so you've seen that. It's not very high up,
Speaker 1: it's a little Yeah, this was an orb that was
Speaker 1: like as big as that building but on top of it,
Speaker 1: and it was the shape of a templar cross. Now,
Speaker 1: my mom has no idea what I.
Speaker 2: Was about to say. I can't imagine you have on no, no, no.
Speaker 1: My mom is freaking out.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: She's trying to explain it. She's like it was a cross,
Speaker 1: but it was like even yeah, yeah, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, like a templar cross. I was talking to
Speaker 1: a friend of mine the other day and I was
Speaker 1: just asking him these kinds of questions and he goes,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen an image of a photon? And
Speaker 1: I was like, no, googling, you've seen an image of
Speaker 1: a photon? Google cross, templar cross.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, oh shit, I just googled it, templar cross.
Speaker 2: I just guys, I google photon image and it takes
Speaker 2: to Reddit and it is easily a templar cross. And
Speaker 2: the title of the post is this is what a
Speaker 2: single photon looks like? And the Reddit thing that it's
Speaker 2: on is slash are interesting as fuck? Interesting? Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's I just was found that very fascinating.
Speaker 1: And I know you're with the medieval ages and stuff,
Speaker 1: so I thought you'd have an opinion on that. So
Speaker 1: that's why I asked, uh, that's very I.
Speaker 3: Just found the exact article that you show it as
Speaker 3: our slash interesting as bug.
Speaker 1: Can you get a little closer so they can see
Speaker 1: the photon. It's the red part. For the listener at
Speaker 1: home that like is seeing that on the camera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the photon. That is what a single every single
Speaker 1: photon looks like. It's the same as the Rosicruscian symbol.
Speaker 1: The vertical line is the spiritual and the horizontal line
Speaker 1: is the material. Yeah, the physical.
Speaker 2: Oh, we've been talking about it's like the throw card, right, yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we are the mental. Yeah, we are spiritual
Speaker 1: and physical.
Speaker 4: We are.
Speaker 1: We're hybrids.
Speaker 2: It's a superpower if you think about you know that.
Speaker 2: But but the problem is is that we're out of
Speaker 2: balance and so we're all that we we have lost
Speaker 2: the spiritual part. And then some people that have taken
Speaker 2: one too many Ayahuascar retreats, they are stuck in total
Speaker 2: spiritual wou land and they have forgotten to tend to
Speaker 2: the hearth fire right, like they've forgotten the magic and
Speaker 2: the mundane piece.
Speaker 5: It's always a that's why.
Speaker 2: Like the people that actually practice real shit, like they're
Speaker 2: real practitioners. They're the people that it's like the billionaires
Speaker 2: that are in the flip flops and the board shorts.
Speaker 2: They're not showing off their wealth. I feel like it's
Speaker 2: that that's the energy with the most spiritual people I've met.
Speaker 2: And when I say that, I'm talking about people that
Speaker 2: are really are very well read on these things and
Speaker 2: actually are not being out there about it.
Speaker 5: You would never know they're not.
Speaker 2: They're not wearing like the free people hat and renting
Speaker 2: a Bungalow and Joshua Tree and doing their divine feminine
Speaker 2: coaching containers. They are you know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 4: You're a word smith.
Speaker 1: I swear told you she's brilliant. Your last gave her
Speaker 1: life too, did y'all see that? Smart bars, I do.
Speaker 2: What I can. I think it's the baby wait, but
Speaker 2: the extra chitmunk cheeks are there, but but you know
Speaker 2: it's that's It brings me back to your dad. He's
Speaker 2: not having he doesn't want to have to do extra
Speaker 2: extra explaining because he knows. He knows what he knows,
Speaker 2: and so half the yes and also half the ship
Speaker 2: that he could say it was like and I will
Speaker 2: say it did Sean Ryan interview. It was hard to watch,
Speaker 2: mainly just because you could tell that your dad was
Speaker 2: doing the best he could. But Sean Ryan, and I'm
Speaker 2: fine with that, right. Sean Ryan is someone who clearly
Speaker 2: perceives his worldview through like a pretty like a very
Speaker 2: Christian lens and and and I mean like just very
Speaker 2: very much so like And at one point it was
Speaker 2: either his interview with your dad or the one he
Speaker 2: did with Diana. I was with Diana Pasolka, and I
Speaker 2: think that he said something and I'm and I quote
Speaker 2: he said, should we even pay attention to anything if
Speaker 2: it's not in the Bible? WHOA? And I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, and Diana Pasolka was like, you could
Speaker 2: tell she was like Ryan, and you could tell that
Speaker 2: she had she had the energy of someone that was
Speaker 2: like had to tell someone that Santa wasn't real, Like
Speaker 2: she was just like Ryan. There there are, interestingly, surprisingly,
Speaker 2: there are some things at that are not in the
Speaker 2: Bible that we should definitely listen to.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, holy sh did you.
Speaker 1: See the photo of her like at the Vigilance Elite sign,
Speaker 1: like you know, like my dad did, like every guest
Speaker 1: that goes on a show they signed his Vigilance Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: did you see her like promo photo? No, look like
Speaker 1: she was in pain really, And that's all. I don't
Speaker 1: want to comment negative, but yeah, I will very comfortable.
Speaker 2: It was very uncomfortable. And so to bring it back
Speaker 2: to the interview.
Speaker 1: To hide we have nothing to hide people, We're smiling,
Speaker 1: We're not looking uncomfortable in the pain.
Speaker 2: We're on a dad, Chris Ryan was Chris not Chris Ryan.
Speaker 2: Sean Ryan Chris Ryan, I'm getting all my names all up.
Speaker 2: He was having a hard time talking to your dad
Speaker 2: because he's asking basically, and that's what everyone says. Chris
Speaker 2: Bledsoe says, Jesus has come back. Chris Bloodsoe. It says
Speaker 2: like that your dad is literally, like fully evangelical christening it.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, no, no, guys, it's not what
Speaker 2: he's saying. But unfortunately, Sean Ryan's like leading it there
Speaker 2: because that's his paradigm. But your dad's paradigm is so
Speaker 2: much more expansive than that. Yes, and so that interesting
Speaker 2: because like I just was going the whole time. I
Speaker 2: was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, someone else
Speaker 2: needs to be asking these questions because that's not what
Speaker 2: your dad is saying. Like your dad is, at least
Speaker 2: my understanding of what he's trying to say there is
Speaker 2: that there is going to be a radical shift in consciousness.
Speaker 2: And your dad's not saying that Jesus Christ is the
Speaker 2: bee all one. He is one of the ascended masters
Speaker 2: in your dad's view, right as in your dad clearly
Speaker 2: looks he's reading about ancient Egypt. Your dad knows that
Speaker 2: God is everything everywhere, all at once, and all the
Speaker 2: gods are the same. He ties all those threats together.
Speaker 2: But again, you're gonna get a specific kind of vibe
Speaker 2: when you're getting interviewed by Sean Ryan, who is asking,
Speaker 2: literally taking the serious question of should we take anything
Speaker 2: seriously that is not in my Bible? And I'm going.
Speaker 1: I'm like, sir, what Dad actually said was, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe the Lady, maybe the heavenly host, maybe Jesus. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just know that a peace of heaven
Speaker 1: is coming to help and that there's going to be
Speaker 1: a new knowledge that things will be different.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, and how And this is what I'll say.
Speaker 2: That is probably that's the best your dad can do
Speaker 2: to convey ineffable mystical wisdom that he has experienced in
Speaker 2: his mind right as in like he's he's had these
Speaker 2: knowings through his direct experiences. And there are some things
Speaker 2: that you just can't articulate. You can do your best.
Speaker 2: It's like someone can make a painting. They can say,
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, we're using the
Speaker 2: language we have, and at the end of the day
Speaker 2: it's going to very much get It's hard to convey
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: The crazy thing is like even the cut had that
Speaker 1: in it, and people are still like, you know, going
Speaker 1: to say that didn't even get cut. Yeah, that part's
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah yeah, like it's whatever.
Speaker 2: It's just interesting. But again, you can't make That's another
Speaker 2: good lesson is you can't make people wake up or
Speaker 2: know things until they're ready to know it. And when
Speaker 2: they have that knowing, it's like you you're not out
Speaker 2: there seeking for the answers outside anymore. You've got your
Speaker 2: knowing and you don't have to prove it to anybody else.
Speaker 2: And that's what I I That's why I said at
Speaker 2: the beginning of all of this is I really wish
Speaker 2: that I could download what I experienced into other people's minds.
Speaker 2: Not because what I experienced is to be all end all,
Speaker 2: but I wish I could download that knowingness because I
Speaker 2: stood there and saw the circumstances.
Speaker 5: Not just I saw an orb.
Speaker 2: It was the fact that your dad wanted to leave
Speaker 2: the restaurant to get there at a certain time because
Speaker 2: he had a feeling it would happen at a certain time,
Speaker 2: and it was when you know, he's not doing anything
Speaker 2: of summoning your dad is literally connected to this and
Speaker 2: he knows we're all.
Speaker 5: Connected to this.
Speaker 2: And when he told me to focus on what I
Speaker 2: needed healing from, and I actually really did that, and
Speaker 2: I told your dad about one of the most horrible
Speaker 2: things that had happened to me, and I started crying
Speaker 2: and that is when it happened. Yeah, how is that demonic?
Speaker 2: If that's demonic, like what that it was? And then
Speaker 2: it's the feeling you get afterwards of like and my
Speaker 2: husband hugged Chris. Zaz never cries, and Zaz said that
Speaker 2: he hugged Chris and just cried. Yes, and so and
Speaker 2: I know my husband And that's like, you like people
Speaker 2: out there, not you people, because like, dear God, this
Speaker 2: is the Bloodstoe sid So audience.
Speaker 5: They all get it.
Speaker 2: But the people that are out there watching those interviews
Speaker 2: and saying things like, oh, this is part of the
Speaker 2: Chris is paid off, like all this stuff. I feel
Speaker 2: for people out there because the them, the they out
Speaker 2: there that is has nefarious uh intentions. They're doing a
Speaker 2: really good job of keeping people really confused. And I
Speaker 2: feel bad for people because it's not an easy time
Speaker 2: to be alive right now, and people are confused and
Speaker 2: don't know who to believe, but if they did, if
Speaker 2: they were in front of your dad, they wouldn't be
Speaker 2: saying those things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: Because your dad. It's not even that you can't help
Speaker 2: but meet Chris Bledsoe and like feel his very loving presence.
Speaker 2: He's just a very loving person to where it's just
Speaker 2: like instantly disarming. We talked about it, like your dad
Speaker 2: literally has a twinkle in his eye like an old
Speaker 2: wizard or something.
Speaker 5: It's just like, so it's true.
Speaker 2: He really has this beautiful twinkle in his eye and
Speaker 2: he's so loving and warm, and you just know that
Speaker 2: he's a good person, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Does kind of have Gandalf?
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually big time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I never thought about that. He kind of does.
Speaker 1: I've always noticed that.
Speaker 2: So it's just it makes me sad because I wish,
Speaker 2: but it is what it is. You can't make other
Speaker 2: people know these things, but I do.
Speaker 1: The truth is unfolding regardless, you know. So it's like,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I'm just had a point
Speaker 1: now like I just don't care, like I could have
Speaker 1: had an easier life. And Alex said this recently. I
Speaker 1: think Nick has said this before, Like I think it
Speaker 1: was when Paul recorded. I think it was Alex that
Speaker 1: said this. Maybe we had just walked out of the room.
Speaker 1: I me and Alex were the last ones in the room,
Speaker 1: and uh, do you remember what she said that if
Speaker 1: you were making it up, Yeah, I would have probably
Speaker 1: made it sound att Yeah, you don't know the context
Speaker 1: of what we're talking about there, but we had a
Speaker 1: guest who's just had a crazy life and and and
Speaker 1: a someways as similar to ours with the experiences and stuff.
Speaker 1: And it's like, bro, if we were making this up,
Speaker 1: we certainly would have you know, made ourselves look a
Speaker 1: lot better, that's for sure. And also like what ye
Speaker 1: put ourselves out there to deal with, like you know,
Speaker 1: negativity and criticism and always being constantly accessible to people
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I just don't care.
Speaker 2: And showing massive groups of people that what what this is?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, huge massive groups are seeing
Speaker 2: what you're seeing.
Speaker 1: So and then Greers out there being like, actually their
Speaker 1: ship's fake. Come to my five thousand dollars SkyWatch and
Speaker 1: I'll show you the way.
Speaker 2: I listen, I'm just gonna if there's a scary competition,
Speaker 2: Stephen Greer is winning every time.
Speaker 1: We must have a bill cycle due.
Speaker 2: But anyway, don't come for me but dahn who fuck?
Speaker 1: But we you you. I tried to tell you how
Speaker 1: to get wound up, but you know what, You turn
Speaker 1: around and you woun me up.
Speaker 2: I'm trying so hard, you know, It's all good fun.
Speaker 2: We made fun of my chipmunk cheeks. We can say,
Speaker 2: Stephen Greer looks a little bit like.
Speaker 4: I think I think you two need like a monthly scheduled.
Speaker 3: Call just yes, yes, no, not ship, but we'll say
Speaker 3: tea yes, yes, yeah, you need a monthly like tea spilling.
Speaker 2: Me and Ryan will just have like little tea cups.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: I think you you guys are like feeding each other's
Speaker 3: like beef energy, like oh I know big time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love talking with Ryan about this stuff because I
Speaker 2: really said Ryan something. I'm like, Ryan, Ryan, have you
Speaker 2: seen this?
Speaker 1: And He's just like, yeah, we definitely.
Speaker 2: You really feel pop off, queen.
Speaker 1: We have the same level of like obsession about things.
Speaker 1: We're interested in it. That's what I was saying before
Speaker 1: we started. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all. Have I said that before we started? You
Speaker 3: have similar energies like big time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did because he was trying to before you
Speaker 1: even joined. He was trying to explain you to Alex
Speaker 1: because he hadn't met you. And that's exactly what that's
Speaker 1: that's what he said.
Speaker 3: I said, she is very much like Ryan in uh,
Speaker 3: the obsession about in the obsession and in like the
Speaker 3: seeking of knowledge and the curating and the collecting of things. Yes,
Speaker 3: I didn't mention like the the smoke energy that y'all
Speaker 3: both have.
Speaker 2: Energy. I hide it, but you're the truth.
Speaker 1: Like, it's not like we're aggressive. Oh well, it's like
Speaker 1: we get upset when people are like not rocking with
Speaker 1: the truth exactly, and it's like, how dare you? You know?
Speaker 1: That's that's what it is, at least what I feel.
Speaker 2: But especially when it comes to spiritual matters, I just
Speaker 2: find it too. Yeah, that will really really upset me.
Speaker 2: It's the same reason why I get upset when listeners
Speaker 2: that were in kind of like culty religious things that
Speaker 2: have a lot of religious trauma, even like ex Jehovah's
Speaker 2: witnesses have reached out to me, you know, who have
Speaker 2: been cut off from their family, people that have left
Speaker 2: Mormonism have have reached out to me. And it's the
Speaker 2: same thing. I hate it when and I'm not saying
Speaker 2: this always happens in those traditions because I don't like
Speaker 2: to get down on any religious frameworks, not even Mormonism,
Speaker 2: not even Jova's witness, like do you but when yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's fair, you know, like I don't because
Speaker 2: I don't want to be looking like a hypocrite. So
Speaker 2: I'm sure that there's beauty and beautiful realizations in all
Speaker 2: of these different But when these people happen to find
Speaker 2: themselves in a to toxic aspect of one of those
Speaker 2: religions and your sense of spirituality has been tainted or
Speaker 2: someone like ruined that for you, that's like soul murder
Speaker 2: of a person, you know. So I don't think there's
Speaker 2: anything worse you could do to someone than ruin or
Speaker 2: taint their sense of the divine and make them because
Speaker 2: you see it with a lot of ex Mormons I
Speaker 2: talk about I actually never talked about that. As you
Speaker 2: see it, it's very common in the ex Mormon there's
Speaker 2: a lot of content creators that you know, have come
Speaker 2: out and they speak out against the Mormon Church. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you see them, And what they do is they do
Speaker 2: this really hard about face and they're just basically like,
Speaker 2: screw religion.
Speaker 5: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Hear anything about it, and they and it breaks my
Speaker 2: heart because you you you're robbing yourself of something that
Speaker 2: could be really beautiful. It's just that it's such a
Speaker 2: shame that it was used against you. It's the same
Speaker 2: reason why someone that's been through sexual assault or something
Speaker 2: like this, like I know that feeling because that was
Speaker 2: something that happened to me. Is you're just like, screw
Speaker 2: any kind of intimacy.
Speaker 5: I don't want that.
Speaker 2: And it's just going like and everybody out there knows
Speaker 2: is there can be really horrible experience of that, or
Speaker 2: there can be really beautiful experiences of that when it's
Speaker 2: with your best friend, you know, someone that you really love.
Speaker 2: And so I get very upset when I see something
Speaker 2: as beautiful and pure as what I witnessed with the
Speaker 2: Bloodsteons for example, and what I witness magically in my
Speaker 2: everyday life.
Speaker 5: Like I talked about in that episode I made.
Speaker 2: As being about fear, it's actually the most evil thing
Speaker 2: that anyone can do. And if there's if there is
Speaker 2: anything bad, it is that you know that that is
Speaker 2: horrible because you are murdering people's souls in mass like
Speaker 2: and causing confusion and making them feel But isn't that
Speaker 2: how it's always been. Mystics and heretics have been burnt
Speaker 2: at the stake. The Cathars were burnt because they said, what, oh,
Speaker 2: you find the divine within, you.
Speaker 1: Don't need.
Speaker 2: They were and so and told that they were doing
Speaker 2: satanic stuff and and god knows what they were doing.
Speaker 2: But no, it's because they were preaching something that the
Speaker 2: powers that be refused to let out there, which is,
Speaker 2: you have the power all along The answers are inside.
Speaker 4: Along the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a joke between.
Speaker 2: Journey, but it is that though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree, I'm right there with you. I'm
Speaker 1: right there with you. I think that is a beautiful
Speaker 1: place to end.
Speaker 5: I was just about to say, I can't think of
Speaker 5: a better culminating.
Speaker 1: No, honestly, And I know that if we don't end,
Speaker 1: you know, oh.
Speaker 2: We'll be here all day.
Speaker 1: You'd take a sip of that tea and then you'd
Speaker 1: go riding out to the sunset.
Speaker 5: Wine and this mug guys, because.
Speaker 2: It was tea. I promise.
Speaker 1: I do have to talk about something coming up real quick.
Speaker 1: If you don't mind and then we will plug our
Speaker 1: stuff and we'll get out of here. So let me
Speaker 1: get the dates right here. From May third to May fourth,
Speaker 1: So Friday to uh Sunday, I will be in Wisconsin
Speaker 1: at the Contact Modalities Expo, and Dad and I are
Speaker 1: going to be special guests there. My dad is the
Speaker 1: keynote speaker. On Friday night, there's going to be a SkyWatch.
Speaker 1: It's going to be super awesome. It's like a ten
Speaker 1: dollars feet to the venue. We are not taking that,
Speaker 1: we are just participating in the event. We are you know,
Speaker 1: they are hosting it for us. Super awesome. And I
Speaker 1: think Saturday there's going to be like a cocktail party
Speaker 1: with a d and all kinds of like conference rooms.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be three rooms going simultaneously with all these
Speaker 1: different people there. There's like twenty or thirty different expo
Speaker 1: participators like shamans and breathwork experts and holistic awesome stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be really really cool. And then
Speaker 1: on Sunday there's gonna be a live panel and people
Speaker 1: are gonna be like answering questions about UFOs and all
Speaker 1: this kinds of stuff. But it's gonna be super awesome
Speaker 1: May third to May no. May second to May fourth
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Contact Modalities Expo dot com, XPO for Xpo
Speaker 1: so Contactmodalities Xpo dot com and Molly, can you please
Speaker 1: let people know where to find your stuff? You've been
Speaker 1: so wonderful what you are an amazing guest, You're an
Speaker 1: even better friend. I would be so happy if people
Speaker 1: would flock to your channels and show you some love.
Speaker 1: So please direct them where to go.
Speaker 2: I would love that too. Please come come listen. I
Speaker 2: have a lot of content. I am less spicy on
Speaker 2: my podcast than I was in this interview. I will say,
Speaker 2: but you'll the best part about my podcast is I
Speaker 2: just like let little bits of it out and you'll
Speaker 2: do it, you know. I just yeah, just like a
Speaker 2: little judgment, do you know, just you I have?
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: I do, Like sometimes you need to just say what.
Speaker 1: It is right for your homies.
Speaker 2: I do. I do.
Speaker 5: That is the truth.
Speaker 2: I am very proud of the say like, if you're
Speaker 2: my friend, like I will be defending you. You know.
Speaker 2: That's I feel very strongly about the people that I
Speaker 2: care about. But you can find my work at back
Speaker 2: from the Borderline dot com. Everything that is there for you.
Speaker 2: You can go listen to my podcast. You can listen
Speaker 2: to other interviews. Even the interview that I did with
Speaker 2: Ryan is on there. So if you want to just
Speaker 2: go back from the Borderline dot Com and want to
Speaker 2: see our first interview, I have that linked on there.
Speaker 2: I have my Amazon book recommendation list. I must say
Speaker 2: is a hot commodity for people. When I say, I
Speaker 2: have like hundreds of books on there. So if you're
Speaker 2: a nerd and you want to go down these rabbit holes,
Speaker 2: just go to my Amazon book recommendation list and like
Speaker 2: go on the spirituality books and just have fun. You know,
Speaker 2: there's so many books that I've collected and curated on
Speaker 2: there over the years. And then you know, if you
Speaker 2: want to follow me on Instagram, you can go there
Speaker 2: too and they'll If you just want memes, I got
Speaker 2: that for you as well.
Speaker 1: I got memes.
Speaker 2: So just go to back from the Borderline dot Com
Speaker 2: and you can do whatever you know. In this podcast,
Speaker 2: it is yeah, yellow, don't follow me, don't follow me
Speaker 2: on X and because I'm locked out, and so if
Speaker 2: you're tweeting me on X sorry or zeeding me, I
Speaker 2: I can't. I have a lurker Twitter account, x x
Speaker 2: account that it's my secret that I z it on,
Speaker 2: but I'm not in my official ones. I don't even
Speaker 2: know how to get back in there. So I'll get
Speaker 2: in there and people will be talking zeeding ship on me,
Speaker 2: so I can't see it.
Speaker 1: Wows. No, that's cool because you're all powerful on Instagram.
Speaker 1: It's it's my I feel like I'm growing fast.
Speaker 2: You just got to pick a social media I can't.
Speaker 2: I literally could not do TikTok this that. I don't
Speaker 2: know how people do it. I feel like I had
Speaker 2: to pick one and then that's all I can manage.
Speaker 2: It's just so memes, that's all right.
Speaker 1: Do you happen to remember how we wrap it up
Speaker 1: at all? We just say bye guys at the camera.
Speaker 1: It's really nothing crazy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh you're talking to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you remember how No, no, no, he remembers.
Speaker 4: I think you started it. I think so.
Speaker 1: I think it was the like second episode or something,
Speaker 1: maybe the third.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got nick. Do you know like what?
Speaker 4: I have no idea, no clue. I don't know where
Speaker 4: I am even right now.
Speaker 2: He's already playing a video.
Speaker 4: Game after I am Minecraft.
Speaker 1: Look at you playing Minecraft.
Speaker 2: He's like, He's like, sorry, what.
Speaker 1: I got play a Marvel tonight. But on a real note,
Speaker 1: ready whenever you are three two one. We love you,
Speaker 1: Molly Bye.
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