Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasi Goos?
Speaker 2: I am Danpa Valley coming at you with my certified
fantabulous co host, mister Grant Hughes. We're on to the
next Hardwood Knox NBA trade deadline primer. The Cleveland Cavaliers
are up first. Before we get started, Grant, how.
Speaker 3: The heck are you doing it? I'm feeling singularly expensive? Uh,
which is what the Cleveland Cavaliers are. Dan, That's what
we're here to talk about. Uh. I don't know they
do we praise them for just not caring about the
second apron as we could discuss their limited trade deadline
options or is this a are they someone that deserves
our scorn for spending so profligate spending in this in
the apron era?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if we can compliment them for
spending yet, because they still do have time to cut
their tax bill.
Speaker 1: If that's you're not gonna They're not going to get.
Speaker 2: Out of the second aprin I don't think for reasons
we're about to get into as we go through their
trade deadlin Vitals, I can take this team. You took
the last one, twenty two million dollars in to the
second apron. That means they can't aggregate players in a
trade or take back more money than they're sending out,
among other things.
Speaker 1: But those are the two big ones.
Speaker 2: They can, however, trade one first round pick in two
thousand and thirty one or two thousand and thirty two,
can offer swap of swaps in twenty twenty six and
twenty twenty eight, and they could then offer a straight
swap in two thousand and thirty. Obviously, they could offer
swaps on one of the picks that they could trade too.
Speaker 1: They do have a notable trade exception. There's two.
Speaker 2: George and the trade exceptions floating around. Boston has one
and mccavs have the other one eight point two million
dollars that expires the day after the trade deadline.
Speaker 1: And I believe, if I'm reading.
Speaker 2: The CBA correctly, they could use that trade exception to
just take on money. So if they really want to
like just juice up their tax bill, they could send
anyone out there making eight million bucks that we could
just take.
Speaker 1: I don't foresee them doing that.
Speaker 3: But can you trade a trade exception for Joan for
George Niang?
Speaker 1: Could you take George Niang into the George Yang trade ex.
Speaker 3: Is that like matter and anti matter colliding and then
the universe implodes if you trade.
Speaker 2: So George Niang was most recently on the Celtics, right
they Yes he was, because there's expires in the summer,
So yes you could. I think you could legally take
George Nan into the Georgeiang tradeings like the.
Speaker 1: Celtics can't, okay, but the Calves can.
Speaker 3: I think they should just to see what would happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would make for awesome headline. So
I think we could wrap up this little episode there.
Uh so, what are you thinking about when it comes
to the Calves at the trade deadline?
Speaker 1: Because I have a very clear question.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the main issue is like their willingness
to just bite the bullet and be this expensive and
hope that health gets them back to where they want
to be versus DeAndre Hunters sitting right there with like
basically the amount we need to get under the second apron?
Is that a move we want to pursue because Jalen
Tyson and others look like they might be able to
take those minutes, to say nothing of a theoretically healthy
max struce. At some point this is another case, right,
like what is very theoretical, like what is a team's
tolerance for paying this much in the Apron era for
for what right now is nowhere near the last year's
version of the Cabs competitively, So that's that seems to
be to be the core issue.
Speaker 2: And there was the report earlier that Dan Gilbert is
more involved than the proceedings, which makes you think that
maybe there would be some there. I just they're not
getting out of the second Apron. That's so much money.
Speaker 1: But it feels like that, I mean, well maybe we talked,
let's talk about that.
Speaker 3: Just a little bit. I know that wasn't really necessarily
part of the plan, but like, is there a way
twenty two million over DeAndre Hunter makes twenty three? Like kid,
where I guess that you just you need a team
with cap space like that that nobody no one has that. Yeah,
you have to that much. You would have even more
of the gymnastics it would take to attach something to him,
move him, Like is like what they get under this.
Speaker 2: If you went to Brooklyn and said, here's DeAndre Hunter
and a first round pick. They take on DeAndre Hunter
and they have to send out what they figure out
how to get rid of the other salary with other
teams to make it work. Yeah, that's just no, you
can't do that, right, that's insane.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think you can do that. Who Like,
But I can also imagine a scenario where we'll just
say Dan Gilbert is like, this is what I'm paying for,
Like we're not We don't look like a contender at
all right now.
Speaker 2: Like Tony Atkinson's out here starting Craig Porter Junior because
he doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 3: What happened with that? I noticed that too, And then
Tyson must be hurt.
Speaker 2: How many dates I know he's been like kind of struggling,
but I don't know how many days is going to
be removed from that decision. But that lineup, the starting
line up with Craig Porter Jr. That's the only time played.
They were minus nineteen in that game alone, and he didn't.
Speaker 1: Even play the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: That is just like, but that speaks to their situation
of just oh, they don't think Hunter is the answer
Lonzo Ball has giving them, not even in the rotation anymore.
We could say at this point, we're waiting for Max
Strus to just be healthy and hoping they could string together,
which not outside the question. There are minutes with the
core four on the court have still not added up
to a ton. They're winning them decidedly. But it's just
this is a real you're right from Dan Gilbert's perspective
of what I'm not paying for you to be sixth
or eighth in the East, like I'm paying you you
were supposed to be I had them coming out, they
might pick to come out of the East this year, right, No.
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's not just I think now is
don't you feel like all of the again if this
flies in the face of the numbers for the regular season,
which says that when you have Garland, Mitchell, Mobley Allen
on the floor, like things go great. But we've seen
things not go great for various reasons in the playoffs,
and it's we are not that far removed from like
the consensus kind of being the two small guards and
the two bigs. That's that this isn't gonna work Like
I think that now hangs over the I'm paying If
I'm Dan Gilbert, I'm paying how much for a team
that like probably isn't gonna play of a series with
home court advantage if like, like that's just I don't know,
I think all I can imagine all that coming back
uh into into the picture just because it was a
real thing for like not that long ago. So yeah,
I I My general stance is, like the question is
are you more likely to buy or or get under
the tax or whatever, like.
Speaker 1: If they get under the tax, they're shaving.
Speaker 3: Out of the second aprin. I think I think the
most likely situation is they just like, this is our team,
We're gonna ride it out. And because there isn't now
I know, I keep mentioning Hunter, there's not an easy
way or even like a semi plausible way to save
the money they would need to save.
Speaker 2: Honestly, if there because he's not an unuseful player. If
you went to Brooklyn and said, here's Hunter and this
draft pick, and you will have to figure out how
you're like getting the rest of the money off your
book to make this work, you probably could do it.
Speaker 1: I just don't like, just to get out of the
second aprin.
Speaker 2: It's that saves your a shit ton of money, but
now you've just okay, awesome, Like that's purely that you
look at that looking at getting DeAndre Hunter went from
I called it a home run when they acquired him
to costume the twenty thirty one first round picker.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think life happens fast. I mean, is
that more likely than one of the main four guys
getting moved?
Speaker 2: Ooh, that is a question that I have. But I
wanted to ask you this first. What does this team need?
Speaker 3: I is it? I mean, the the version of DeAndre
Hunter that you thought was a was a high or
we all thought to be.
Speaker 2: Fair like this is kind of DeAndre DeAndre Hunter, like
wanting to get into the mid range, which isn't really
what they need. Like that that is DeAndre That's the thing.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, they should have known that he's not a
three and D guy. He's a guy that's best against mismatches,
creating his own stuff. I I it's boring, but but like,
unless you're gonna say it's time to blow up the
Garland Mitchell backcourt or the Mobile Allen front court, it's
they still need that fifth guy. And maybe that you know,
like and maybe that's Tyson, maybe that's Hunter, maybe that's Struce,
maybe that's maybe Ball, like for you know, before he
proved that.
Speaker 1: It was the and this is more general.
Speaker 2: I think you could say, like a wing defender who's
not a liability on or does the things. You know,
who's a wing who's not a liability on offense? Or
do you like, can play both ends of the floor
how you want them to play. So it's not even
just a three and D wing. It's Hunter can fill
that on certain nights, but it's you don't want. He's
more like a you know, pull up two and D
wing and kind of like light on the d there
as well. They need it also players that you feel
and I hate this is not scientific, but it's I
thought Mobile made strides there last year. This is just
the least physical team, like that should be more physical.
Speaker 1: It feels like you have two bigs on the court.
Speaker 2: There is no excuse they are below average defensive rebounding
team with both Mobley and Jared Allen on the court.
I know Mobiley spends a lot of time guarding away
from the basket.
Speaker 1: I don't care. That's why you have two bigs on
the court.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think it's an aside. But Mobile has
been one of the most disappointing players in the league
to me, and like he's been a good player. But
it's just like I thought last year was like there's
the springboard, here we go, and we're having a very
different conversation if last year was like another step towards
progress and this year he's first team All NBA or whatever, Like.
Speaker 2: I honestly still think he's gonna get there. And so
to your question about are you listening on any of
the core four members this year? Like what would it
take for you to And it can't aside from the
yianness of it all, which even by the way, the
problem with that is they can't aggregate salary, so you
do need to duck the second apron if you want
to trade two of these guys for Giannis. So what
you would be looking at if you're moving, So let's
start here. I don't think Mobley or Mitchell would be
the one that you move, Like those guys are locked in.
Speaker 3: If you're now.
Speaker 2: Moving Jared Allen or Darius Garland Solow and hoping to
get what out of that?
Speaker 3: And well, if you're doing that, aren't you also trying
to save money? Like because you're you're what you're admitting
is this man I don't know Garland. So they're very
different because Garland makes thirty nine this year, then forty two,
then forty eight, Alan twenty twenty eight, thirty thirty two.
So like Garland makes twice what Alan makes this year.
So like Garland trade is just very different than an
Alan trade. The Alan trade would feel like a half measure.
That's probably the most logical of the candidates, just because
twenty million is easier to move than thirty nine, right,
like and you and and and then that thrusts Mobile
into the role. That's like, all right, let's put up
our shut up. You're a starting center. We're going to
force the physicality out of you. I guess now Garland,
like if you trade Garland, you'd have to work in
a bunch of other teams. Theory like you'd go to
Brooklyn obviously and see if you could move Garland for
someone much cheaper. I don't know who that that that
or you.
Speaker 2: Do the thing where it's you trade Garland for whatever.
Maybe you're getting back enough stuff to where can you
attach that to DeAndre Hunter to send to Brooklyn and
they'll figure out that that's you could take those steps
to do it before we die.
Speaker 3: What do you want? I was gonna say, no, I
think we should uh, Like, I think so right to
your using that example, there are definitely ways where Cleveland
could swing, like several related deals to change that, to
change the look of the team, like and maybe that's
tempting given how disappointing they've been relative to last year,
and expectations like what are the odds of that versus
like we're just gonna hold pat and hope Max Streuce
solves the problem, Like don't don't you think the latter
is just like eminently more likely to.
Speaker 2: Be sure, this was more of a thought exercise for me.
I'm not trading any of the core for at this point.
If I had to, you look at Alan, but I
think you're almost can you get at like the team
that's trading for Allan, are they gonna give you a
more physical big Like what do you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean? Zubots?
Speaker 2: And then I think, if you're trading Alan, you're saying
we want Moldy to play at the five, And so
then you get into the conversation of, well, who do
we want at the four? That's better than Struce or Hunter?
Speaker 3: Right right right, And in a lot of way, yeah,
Allen's the easier trade in a lot of ways, but
in another it's kind of like it'd be a like
for like thing or Yeah, I just this is a
tough team. I don't know, I don't know what. I
don't even know what Allen's market value is anymore because
that extension. Boy, we've gone back and forth on extent.
Speaker 2: I think it'll end up this year. You're right, this
year it looks tough, But I think he's a value. Now, yeah,
the next three years, who knows what is he at
percentage of the salary cap wise? Because I mean it's
only twenty eight so he's not even like so fifteen
percent of the salary cap.
Speaker 3: He's thirteen percent now that goes to seventeen, seventeen, close
to eighteen.
Speaker 2: If the question is do you think he's a starting
caliber big man, and the answers, yes.
Speaker 1: That contract is perfectly fine.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Now is it multiple first round picks?
Speaker 3: Fine?
Speaker 2: Is it trading him to When you look at the
teams that are in the market for a big and
which team, like Boston wants a big would they give you?
But they're looking to save money of them, say Elves,
So like Boston doesn't have players you want, But would
Boston give multiple first round picks to get Jared Dowen
maybe twenty twenty six and like a distant one, you're
involving all sorts of teams to pull out, well.
Speaker 3: Who's coming who's coming back to Boston or coming back
to Cleveland.
Speaker 2: In that it's like you're involving another team, like they
are getting Dayron Sharp out of that.
Speaker 3: It's because, yeah, Simons is going somewhere. I would assume
in that hypothetical.
Speaker 2: This is all to say it's worth moving on because
they're not trading any of the core for member and
if they do, I probably will hate that deal. For them,
it would be my guess it would feel like a
cop out. Maybe there's some value in admitting, oh, this
isn't it, but it's the East, Like there's things could
break in your favor and we could be talking about
them as a conference finalist pretty.
Speaker 3: And I think just as importantly, like I don't think
like the the broad theory of breaking up the core
four is a terrible idea, but like to do it
now with the total like the limited options that are available,
like you do it in the off season. There's just nothing.
It's so we've just illustrated like how difficult it would
be right now to do anything like that really accomplishes
what you should be able to if you're gonna trade
one of those four players because they're all good, uh Like,
I think, I think just the timing of it, to
me is the most prohibitive thing this.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: If I'm Cleveland, and maybe I wouldn't recommend this, but
I was to make my prediction right, and since I'm
selfish i had them coming out of the East, I'm
more likely to just double.
Speaker 1: You have a first round pick to trade and tradeable.
Speaker 2: Salaries like there's you have, uh, DeAndre Hunter's not immovable.
That's a big not like Lonzo Ball is this expiring
number you There's probably teams, especially what's a team that's
not gonna be good that's kind of waiting on it.
They might even want Max Struce where it's always not
gonna like we're kind of gonna get like the Pacers,
where they want Max Struce for something because they're in
the middle of the gap year. So if I'm Cleveland,
I'm more likely to do something like that, which leads
me to my question of just have you given a
thought like what are the types of players that they
go after? I think what that would be interesting and
I'm curious to get your thoughts they could get.
Speaker 1: Would you put your first round pick on the table
to get Herb Jones from New Orleans.
Speaker 3: Man he does in theory if the shooting could be
what it was at its best fit, like exactly what
they need, because you could hide Garland more effectively, or
and lighten the load on Mitchell more effectively with him
guarding just kind of anything. I'm giving up a first
I'm giving up what probably Struce maybe Ball.
Speaker 1: Because they can't aggregate, so it has to be or
Shreuce or Hunter.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about Hunter.
Speaker 2: Honestly, you're getting off of Hunter's money. That might be
part of the like is it the first round pick?
Speaker 3: And now then sorry if it's Hunter like and you're
getting Jones back. I think if I'm the Pelicans, I'm like,
one first is not enough.
Speaker 2: Right, and they're also going to probably have to send
out other money because of their own tax situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's that's tricky.
Speaker 1: Herb is on the books for fourteen. So would you
give up strus in a first to get Herb Jones.
Speaker 3: Well, let's see, so it's they're distant. Well, I was
gonna say, if it's this year, sure, because who cares?
Speaker 1: No, it has to be it's it's a thirty yeah,
thirty one, thirty.
Speaker 3: Two, right, yep? I would, man, I would at least think,
wouldn't you think about it? I just think like, well,
there's also the possibility that it's just like this is
good money after bad because this corus isn't quite good enough.
I don't think either of us are sold on that idea.
So I think you probably got to say yes just
because the money, I don't know, it's not our money.
That's that's kind of what I fall back to. But
I think Herb is a in theory. Jones is like,
like I said, like, oh my god, this guy might
just be the exact right fit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably.
Speaker 2: It's a conversation I'm trying to figure out, like they
have two seconds they could trade.
Speaker 1: Is that able to get you?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Can you use Hunter instead and take back what other
money does New Orleans have that maybe it doesn't want
to make the math work there?
Speaker 3: Does do Naji Marshall or Max Christy do anything for you?
I don't know why I have Dallas on the brain,
but those guys are making like nine and seven respectfully.
Speaker 2: So you give up a first hundred and a first
for Christy and Naji Marshall.
Speaker 1: I would do that in a heartbeat, if I'm clean.
Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't saying I wasn't saying both. I was saying,
like either one of those guys, you know, because then
then it doesn't necessarily need to be Hunter. It could
be I don't know if you do this, but I
think Sam Merrill makes you could do Christy for Merrill
if you just want youth and I don't know, some
more size, but Merril's been.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I might be more likely to trade Max Strews
at this moment.
Speaker 3: Well sure, yeah, maybe Dallas wouldn't care. I'm just thinking
of guys that I could slot in between the two
guards and the and the and Christy might not even
be like quite what you're looking for.
Speaker 2: They're a little bit big, like that doesn't solve your
That helps you, like defensively on the perimeter, but that's
not going to solve your Like it feels like they
need a someone who's more of a three to four
than a like one, two three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two three. Let's see Ron Holland is too small
and Detroit's not trading him for a for a single
first probably or at least not a cat. Maybe they would.
I don't know. I'm trying to You've given me the
herb Jones thoughts, so now I'm just trying to think
guys like him.
Speaker 2: I'm just asking, does it and even think about it?
If the first round pick is on the table for
Aaron Nesmith?
Speaker 3: Ooh, you know, I like Aaron Nesmith. What's he make?
Let's pull him up.
Speaker 1: He's like.
Speaker 3: Eleven for and then he but Cleveland won't care. But
nineteen and twenty at the end of that new extension,
eleven for aaron Ne Smith is pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't think Andy would
do it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Probably If it's so, that's probably Struce, right, even though
Struce makes like sixteen. If you're Indy, you could Anie
Smith just proved it last year. He's just like a
real piece of that team if they are gonna get
good again, right, that's yeah one first, and you're if
you're Cleveland, you're not going like fully unprotected. Probably, So
I don't know if that's enough for Andy.
Speaker 1: If it's fully unprotected. Do you think Indy does it?
Speaker 3: I mean I would, but again, this is the same thing.
This is a six or seven years out.
Speaker 2: Like I have to you know, I have to mention
this name justin Champagne. That's only two million bucks of
money you have to match. Does two sevens get you
justin Champagne? I think it's a twenty seven from Denver
and a twenty thirty two from Cleveland?
Speaker 3: I don't hate that Usman Jang.
Speaker 1: Do they get ak Bajie back?
Speaker 3: Oh Man? Who else? Do you have another name? I'm
just scanning now I'm interested in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have a couple. So this doesn't what
about I don't know what it would take. And he's
gonna have a statue probably, But Kenrich Williams would be
really good for this team.
Speaker 3: What he makes seven and then ooh, I love that
team option for next year is he? But he's not
someone if you're trying to like upgrade the hunter slash
uh Jalen Tyson spot Williams isn't playing over those guys, right.
Speaker 1: M I mean.
Speaker 2: I'd play him over those two, I think, just for
what he could do defensively. But I get you know,
those guys can play like you can't. I mean you could,
but you're not playing Kenric Williams, Mobile and Allen together,
is what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Okay, Uh yeah, probably No, I don't. I wouldn't, right, Yeah,
I don't think so who else could we? What about
the tm Ooh, you're not gonna get a lot of
minutes out of him. But he's like you would feel
good about him on the floor between the two bigs
and two smalls in like a playoff situation. He's gonna
make like four corner threes in a playoff game you
can bank.
Speaker 1: Here's one.
Speaker 2: What if you just you put the first round pick
on the table. I think Lonzo Ball's money alone would work.
And you just go to Memphis and say, here's this
pick Lonzo Ball's expiring contract for Jaalen Wells and Cam Spencer.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I would do that if I'm Cleveland, wouldn't you.
Speaker 2: Well, let's say the picks. If the picks I'm protected,
Are you doing it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's I'm not gonna be on the job
when that pick conveys.
Speaker 2: Goby always like bugget Yeah, Uh does Memphis even think
about it. Probably not, Probably not. I was gonna you know,
the name that popped.
Speaker 1: The trade though, right, what if?
Speaker 3: What if Houston is like, we know we are not
going to be able to keep Tari Eastan? Is there
any way Cleveland can make that happen.
Speaker 1: If you're willing to. I mean they could make it.
I mean it does.
Speaker 3: I don't think that pick is enough. I think you'd
have better offers as Houston.
Speaker 1: Really than a twenty thirty one first round pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't you think so?
Speaker 1: I from who?
Speaker 3: Well, I guess the problem too is like the Calves
are would be trading for Eastan and that can't be
a rental. But then he's gonna hit restricted free agency
and you're over way over the second apron, like how
much you're going to pay to keep him? So that's
that's actually a bad suggestion by me.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean you could just pay him and
hope that you could dump DeAndre Hunter or yeah.
Speaker 3: But but then, but then the problems compounded because you
just dealt the only first you have are getting off.
Speaker 2: If they stay out of the state, they could trade
twenty thirty three over the summer.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: But the whole thing is you're you're not getting because
you just paid Tari Easton twenty six million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: No, you use that pick to get out my oh okay,
there's also just so we get into Like with Tari Easton,
it would have to be like the money is are
you moving? Like Sam Merrill for Tari Easton straight up
is probably a deal the Rockets should do. They're too
close to the tax you need to figure that out,
or rather they're into the tax. But like or Dean Wade,
well he's in the final year of his deal too.
Speaker 3: I mean, Wade is definitely someone they can move just
because he might.
Speaker 2: It's like, right, but then you're wondering. I know Tari
Easton is probably more valuable in a vacuum, but I
think you would want someone in addition to Dean Wade.
Speaker 1: Not we're subbing out Dean Wade.
Speaker 3: Right, right, right? I mean Kelton Johnson is the type
of player that you're talking about, the the more of
a four than a three, that can score a little bit.
And as if you want to add you want to
add physicality to Cleveland, there's your guy. He makes seventeen
and a half. That's a hunter trade and I don't
know why the spurs. I don't know if that's enough
of a sweetener to take Hunter and turn Johnson into Hunter.
The moral of the story would be that first round
pick has to have some like if I'm wondering if
maybe I'm not high enough on Max Christy, but like
the Hunter for Marshall Christy and that pick, and I mean,
I'll include the second if I need to. And I'm
Cleveland as well, like that would be pretty interesting. I
would absolutely do that if I'm Cleveland, not just I
think either one of Christy or Marshall might be worth it.
But if you get both, to know, you can't.
Speaker 2: Give up I love Naji Marshall, but you can't give
up your twenty thirty one first round pick for Naji Marshall.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. Unless I mean, if there were a
hypothetical where you had something else q'ed up that was
also going to get you out of the second apron,
maybe that makes it closer to worth it. But I
don't know what you're using to dump another, right you say,
like close to thirteen, just if it's just Marshall, so
you still got another nine. You've got to figure out
how to eliminate. That's tough.
Speaker 2: Do you look at all at a change of pace
big if you could get day like if it's Lonzo
Ball and a second round pick for Dayroon Sharp or
two seconds for Dayron Sharp, or like.
Speaker 3: By you mean like a physical.
Speaker 1: He will come in and you will actually feel him.
Speaker 3: You'll feel no, he's out there. Yeah yeah, I mean
it feels it feels wasteful since to essentially start two centers,
but just to add a different dimension, I mean really
like you should be able to. I guess it's best
to get the bruiser impact from a center, but like
how it shouldn't be that hard to find some like
two way guy that's just gonna come in and like
beat the shit out of right, Like physicality shouldn't be
like a thing you need to trade for. Like there's
got to be a bunch of hungry bigs that are
in the G League that would be happy to come
in and like bang around. I don't know, I just
I still feel like the real issue is that wing
spot as opposed to a big that does stuff with
you wish Alan and Mobile did.
Speaker 2: He's not quite I don't think he's big. He's definitely
not a combo big. He's more of a two three.
But Kean Ellis is just so cheap mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets you kind of like the ballhawk physicality
stuff elsewhere. But I mean he's he's not knocking anyone.
I mean, I'm so shocked. You know who has the
heft to play with great physicality is Yabo. I can't
believe you the gowns yet.
Speaker 2: They so they're not out of options, but it is
tough because you can't aggregate salaries.
Speaker 1: It just gets really tough really quickly.
Speaker 2: And then also, I do think you're probably feeling way
worse about moving your first round pick now than you
were entering the season when you thought that you might
have been regimited favorites in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 3: So maybe that's the kind of thing to to rap with.
Is yes or no? Will Cleveland make a trade at
the deadline.
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna make a trade, and I think
it's it'll be for a player with utility. But I
think they're gonna end up cutting their tax bills, so
they're not gonna get out of the second apron.
Speaker 1: If they do that wild, that would just be I mean, why.
Speaker 2: Like even if they get cheaper, and then maybe they
think about getting out of the second apron near the draft.
Speaker 1: It's just they're so far into it.
Speaker 2: Twenty two million dollars is so much money to cut
even as part of two trades, and.
Speaker 3: Then that probably means I think, I agree, well, I
would say this. I think it's I think it's very
like it's very possible that they don't do anything. If
but they will, like Lonzo's just sitting there with like
that essentially expiring deal that you can move. I can
imagine them deciding it's worth it to us to remove
that ten million plus all the tax penalties we're gonna
have to pay on it next year. But it won't be.
I don't think they're gonna make a trade that improves
the roster. It would be would be where I land.
Speaker 2: What's more likely they they do something like trade their
first round the first round picked to improve the roster,
or you send Jared Allen into the Christops porzingis trade
exception in Boston. Who are sending you back a bunch
of picks?
Speaker 3: The second one, I think the second one, I.
Speaker 2: Don't even know if that's I don't even I think
it's the first I actually think it's giving up the
first I think it's tripling down.
Speaker 3: Well the thing, yeah, Boston can't just take Boston doesn't
want to take on a bunch of money Boston.
Speaker 2: Well, they could have another, they could have an Anthony
Simon's trade lined up.
Speaker 3: I would order it like Lonzo Ball money dump type thing. One,
nothing at all to improve the roster. Three in terms
of likelihood, that's right.
Speaker 2: And then core four member for if you four yeah,
like distant distant for you had you had that Jared
Allen scenario up there though I don't know, you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3: Crazy happen.
Speaker 2: Are you ready to take us out of here? Or
do you have anything else to offer? On the your
Cleveland Cavaliers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh no, I think they should thank me for
getting them Nauji Marshall and Max Christy pretty good, Pretty
good job by me.
Speaker 2: We also got from Herb Jones at one point. We
also got on Herb Jones, Cam Spencer and Jalen Wells.
You're welcome, Cleveland.
Speaker 3: This is pretty good.
Speaker 1: So easy. Running an NBA team and the d.
Speaker 3: GM is not hard, especially if you if you operate
from the perspective of like I'm only gonna be here
for a couple of years. Who cares what happens in
the twenty thirties. Really easy, then, thanks everybody for listening,
for watching. Remember to rate and review and subscribe, and
share this with your friends, with your family, with your enemies,
with your family that you don't like, especially them, especially
if they're Cavs fans. Join our discord links for that
in the YouTube and podcast description. We close appropriately with
a shout to Franklin Lakeena and apology to Cleveland cavalier
Jared Allen.