1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,759 Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasi Goos? 2 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:09,279 Speaker 2: I am Danpa Valley coming at you with my certified 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,800 fantabulous co host, mister Grant Hughes. We're on to the 4 00:00:12,839 --> 00:00:17,399 next Hardwood Knox NBA trade deadline primer. The Cleveland Cavaliers 5 00:00:17,679 --> 00:00:21,039 are up first. Before we get started, Grant, how. 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 3: The heck are you doing it? I'm feeling singularly expensive? Uh, 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,079 which is what the Cleveland Cavaliers are. Dan, That's what 8 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:33,439 we're here to talk about. Uh. I don't know they 9 00:00:34,119 --> 00:00:37,479 do we praise them for just not caring about the 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,560 second apron as we could discuss their limited trade deadline 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,560 options or is this a are they someone that deserves 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,600 our scorn for spending so profligate spending in this in 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:48,359 the apron era? 14 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if we can compliment them for 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,799 spending yet, because they still do have time to cut 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:53,520 their tax bill. 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: If that's you're not gonna They're not going to get. 18 00:00:55,719 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: Out of the second aprin I don't think for reasons 19 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,320 we're about to get into as we go through their 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,119 trade deadlin Vitals, I can take this team. You took 21 00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:06,560 the last one, twenty two million dollars in to the 22 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:09,599 second apron. That means they can't aggregate players in a 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,079 trade or take back more money than they're sending out, 24 00:01:12,079 --> 00:01:12,799 among other things. 25 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: But those are the two big ones. 26 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:17,359 Speaker 2: They can, however, trade one first round pick in two 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,319 thousand and thirty one or two thousand and thirty two, 28 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:23,200 can offer swap of swaps in twenty twenty six and 29 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:25,439 twenty twenty eight, and they could then offer a straight 30 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,200 swap in two thousand and thirty. Obviously, they could offer 31 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:30,439 swaps on one of the picks that they could trade too. 32 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: They do have a notable trade exception. There's two. 33 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,439 Speaker 2: George and the trade exceptions floating around. Boston has one 34 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,959 and mccavs have the other one eight point two million 35 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,599 dollars that expires the day after the trade deadline. 36 00:01:41,599 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: And I believe, if I'm reading. 37 00:01:43,359 --> 00:01:48,159 Speaker 2: The CBA correctly, they could use that trade exception to 38 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:50,200 just take on money. So if they really want to 39 00:01:50,879 --> 00:01:53,599 like just juice up their tax bill, they could send 40 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:55,319 anyone out there making eight million bucks that we could 41 00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:55,640 just take. 42 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:56,799 Speaker 1: I don't foresee them doing that. 43 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: But can you trade a trade exception for Joan for 44 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:01,439 George Niang? 45 00:02:02,519 --> 00:02:04,879 Speaker 1: Could you take George Niang into the George Yang trade ex. 46 00:02:05,239 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 3: Is that like matter and anti matter colliding and then 47 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,319 the universe implodes if you trade. 48 00:02:10,439 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: So George Niang was most recently on the Celtics, right 49 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,520 they Yes he was, because there's expires in the summer, 50 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,120 So yes you could. I think you could legally take 51 00:02:20,159 --> 00:02:22,439 George Nan into the Georgeiang tradeings like the. 52 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: Celtics can't, okay, but the Calves can. 53 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: I think they should just to see what would happen. 54 00:02:29,759 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would make for awesome headline. So 55 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,560 I think we could wrap up this little episode there. 56 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:40,479 Uh so, what are you thinking about when it comes 57 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:42,520 to the Calves at the trade deadline? 58 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: Because I have a very clear question. 59 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 3: Well, I think the main issue is like their willingness 60 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,919 to just bite the bullet and be this expensive and 61 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,199 hope that health gets them back to where they want 62 00:02:56,199 --> 00:02:59,919 to be versus DeAndre Hunters sitting right there with like 63 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,840 basically the amount we need to get under the second apron? 64 00:03:03,479 --> 00:03:05,759 Is that a move we want to pursue because Jalen 65 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,840 Tyson and others look like they might be able to 66 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,800 take those minutes, to say nothing of a theoretically healthy 67 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,759 max struce. At some point this is another case, right, 68 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:19,199 like what is very theoretical, like what is a team's 69 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:23,360 tolerance for paying this much in the Apron era for 70 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,479 for what right now is nowhere near the last year's 71 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,840 version of the Cabs competitively, So that's that seems to 72 00:03:29,879 --> 00:03:31,319 be to be the core issue. 73 00:03:31,719 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: And there was the report earlier that Dan Gilbert is 74 00:03:34,719 --> 00:03:36,879 more involved than the proceedings, which makes you think that 75 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,080 maybe there would be some there. I just they're not 76 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:41,280 getting out of the second Apron. That's so much money. 77 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: But it feels like that, I mean, well maybe we talked, 78 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:44,479 let's talk about that. 79 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: Just a little bit. I know that wasn't really necessarily 80 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,560 part of the plan, but like, is there a way 81 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:53,080 twenty two million over DeAndre Hunter makes twenty three? Like kid, 82 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:55,280 where I guess that you just you need a team 83 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,680 with cap space like that that nobody no one has that. Yeah, 84 00:03:58,759 --> 00:04:01,240 you have to that much. You would have even more 85 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,919 of the gymnastics it would take to attach something to him, 86 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,159 move him, Like is like what they get under this. 87 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:13,879 Speaker 2: If you went to Brooklyn and said, here's DeAndre Hunter 88 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,759 and a first round pick. They take on DeAndre Hunter 89 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,000 and they have to send out what they figure out 90 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,680 how to get rid of the other salary with other 91 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,759 teams to make it work. Yeah, that's just no, you 92 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,600 can't do that, right, that's insane. 93 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,319 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think you can do that. Who Like, 94 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,920 But I can also imagine a scenario where we'll just 95 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,839 say Dan Gilbert is like, this is what I'm paying for, 96 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,040 Like we're not We don't look like a contender at 97 00:04:40,079 --> 00:04:40,920 all right now. 98 00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: Like Tony Atkinson's out here starting Craig Porter Junior because 99 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:45,959 he doesn't know what to do. 100 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 3: What happened with that? I noticed that too, And then 101 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,439 Tyson must be hurt. 102 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 2: How many dates I know he's been like kind of struggling, 103 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:54,879 but I don't know how many days is going to 104 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,040 be removed from that decision. But that lineup, the starting 105 00:04:57,079 --> 00:05:00,480 line up with Craig Porter Jr. That's the only time played. 106 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:03,639 They were minus nineteen in that game alone, and he didn't. 107 00:05:03,439 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: Even play the fourth quarter. 108 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,319 Speaker 2: That is just like, but that speaks to their situation 109 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:10,959 of just oh, they don't think Hunter is the answer 110 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,680 Lonzo Ball has giving them, not even in the rotation anymore. 111 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:17,240 We could say at this point, we're waiting for Max 112 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,240 Strus to just be healthy and hoping they could string together, 113 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,560 which not outside the question. There are minutes with the 114 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,759 core four on the court have still not added up 115 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:28,040 to a ton. They're winning them decidedly. But it's just 116 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:32,600 this is a real you're right from Dan Gilbert's perspective 117 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:34,639 of what I'm not paying for you to be sixth 118 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,560 or eighth in the East, like I'm paying you you 119 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,399 were supposed to be I had them coming out, they 120 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:43,160 might pick to come out of the East this year, right, No. 121 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,199 Speaker 3: I mean, and it's not just I think now is 122 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:52,319 don't you feel like all of the again if this 123 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:55,160 flies in the face of the numbers for the regular season, 124 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:57,600 which says that when you have Garland, Mitchell, Mobley Allen 125 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,959 on the floor, like things go great. But we've seen 126 00:06:01,079 --> 00:06:03,639 things not go great for various reasons in the playoffs, 127 00:06:03,639 --> 00:06:06,120 and it's we are not that far removed from like 128 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:10,560 the consensus kind of being the two small guards and 129 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,879 the two bigs. That's that this isn't gonna work Like 130 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,519 I think that now hangs over the I'm paying If 131 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,079 I'm Dan Gilbert, I'm paying how much for a team 132 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,040 that like probably isn't gonna play of a series with 133 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:26,879 home court advantage if like, like that's just I don't know, 134 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,120 I think all I can imagine all that coming back 135 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,639 uh into into the picture just because it was a 136 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,839 real thing for like not that long ago. So yeah, 137 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,959 I I My general stance is, like the question is 138 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,279 are you more likely to buy or or get under 139 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,560 the tax or whatever, like. 140 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,199 Speaker 1: If they get under the tax, they're shaving. 141 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: Out of the second aprin. I think I think the 142 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,680 most likely situation is they just like, this is our team, 143 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,160 We're gonna ride it out. And because there isn't now 144 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,160 I know, I keep mentioning Hunter, there's not an easy 145 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:05,920 way or even like a semi plausible way to save 146 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:07,240 the money they would need to save. 147 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,199 Speaker 2: Honestly, if there because he's not an unuseful player. If 148 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,040 you went to Brooklyn and said, here's Hunter and this 149 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:16,480 draft pick, and you will have to figure out how 150 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:18,240 you're like getting the rest of the money off your 151 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,839 book to make this work, you probably could do it. 152 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: I just don't like, just to get out of the 153 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:23,360 second aprin. 154 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: It's that saves your a shit ton of money, but 155 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:29,920 now you've just okay, awesome, Like that's purely that you 156 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:32,560 look at that looking at getting DeAndre Hunter went from 157 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,160 I called it a home run when they acquired him 158 00:07:34,199 --> 00:07:36,639 to costume the twenty thirty one first round picker. 159 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,519 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think life happens fast. I mean, is 160 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,879 that more likely than one of the main four guys 161 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:43,560 getting moved? 162 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,199 Speaker 2: Ooh, that is a question that I have. But I 163 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:50,839 wanted to ask you this first. What does this team need? 164 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:57,079 Speaker 3: I is it? I mean, the the version of DeAndre 165 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:01,000 Hunter that you thought was a was a high or 166 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,759 we all thought to be. 167 00:08:02,759 --> 00:08:06,839 Speaker 2: Fair like this is kind of DeAndre DeAndre Hunter, like 168 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,199 wanting to get into the mid range, which isn't really 169 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:12,560 what they need. Like that that is DeAndre That's the thing. 170 00:08:12,399 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, they should have known that he's not a 171 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,279 three and D guy. He's a guy that's best against mismatches, 172 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:22,839 creating his own stuff. I I it's boring, but but like, 173 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:25,399 unless you're gonna say it's time to blow up the 174 00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:29,079 Garland Mitchell backcourt or the Mobile Allen front court, it's 175 00:08:29,319 --> 00:08:31,759 they still need that fifth guy. And maybe that you know, 176 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:34,639 like and maybe that's Tyson, maybe that's Hunter, maybe that's Struce, 177 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:38,799 maybe that's maybe Ball, like for you know, before he 178 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:39,360 proved that. 179 00:08:39,399 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: It was the and this is more general. 180 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: I think you could say, like a wing defender who's 181 00:08:45,159 --> 00:08:47,799 not a liability on or does the things. You know, 182 00:08:47,879 --> 00:08:51,240 who's a wing who's not a liability on offense? Or 183 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,279 do you like, can play both ends of the floor 184 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:54,879 how you want them to play. So it's not even 185 00:08:54,919 --> 00:08:57,000 just a three and D wing. It's Hunter can fill 186 00:08:57,039 --> 00:08:59,399 that on certain nights, but it's you don't want. He's 187 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,519 more like a you know, pull up two and D 188 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,519 wing and kind of like light on the d there 189 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:10,200 as well. They need it also players that you feel 190 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,080 and I hate this is not scientific, but it's I 191 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,440 thought Mobile made strides there last year. This is just 192 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,720 the least physical team, like that should be more physical. 193 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: It feels like you have two bigs on the court. 194 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: There is no excuse they are below average defensive rebounding 195 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,759 team with both Mobley and Jared Allen on the court. 196 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,919 I know Mobiley spends a lot of time guarding away 197 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:34,559 from the basket. 198 00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:36,919 Speaker 1: I don't care. That's why you have two bigs on 199 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:37,279 the court. 200 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:41,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think it's an aside. But Mobile has 201 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:43,840 been one of the most disappointing players in the league 202 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,440 to me, and like he's been a good player. But 203 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:48,320 it's just like I thought last year was like there's 204 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,600 the springboard, here we go, and we're having a very 205 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,200 different conversation if last year was like another step towards 206 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:59,120 progress and this year he's first team All NBA or whatever, Like. 207 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: I honestly still think he's gonna get there. And so 208 00:10:02,159 --> 00:10:06,600 to your question about are you listening on any of 209 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,519 the core four members this year? Like what would it 210 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:11,600 take for you to And it can't aside from the 211 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,960 yianness of it all, which even by the way, the 212 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,639 problem with that is they can't aggregate salary, so you 213 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,480 do need to duck the second apron if you want 214 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,919 to trade two of these guys for Giannis. So what 215 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,080 you would be looking at if you're moving, So let's 216 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,080 start here. I don't think Mobley or Mitchell would be 217 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,320 the one that you move, Like those guys are locked in. 218 00:10:30,759 --> 00:10:31,519 Speaker 3: If you're now. 219 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:35,799 Speaker 2: Moving Jared Allen or Darius Garland Solow and hoping to 220 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:37,559 get what out of that? 221 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 3: And well, if you're doing that, aren't you also trying 222 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,360 to save money? Like because you're you're what you're admitting 223 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,080 is this man I don't know Garland. So they're very 224 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,480 different because Garland makes thirty nine this year, then forty two, 225 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,039 then forty eight, Alan twenty twenty eight, thirty thirty two. 226 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,679 So like Garland makes twice what Alan makes this year. 227 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,279 So like Garland trade is just very different than an 228 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,879 Alan trade. The Alan trade would feel like a half measure. 229 00:11:06,919 --> 00:11:11,559 That's probably the most logical of the candidates, just because 230 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,519 twenty million is easier to move than thirty nine, right, 231 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,200 like and you and and and then that thrusts Mobile 232 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,320 into the role. That's like, all right, let's put up 233 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,600 our shut up. You're a starting center. We're going to 234 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:28,159 force the physicality out of you. I guess now Garland, 235 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,600 like if you trade Garland, you'd have to work in 236 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,440 a bunch of other teams. Theory like you'd go to 237 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,759 Brooklyn obviously and see if you could move Garland for 238 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,080 someone much cheaper. I don't know who that that that 239 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:41,480 or you. 240 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: Do the thing where it's you trade Garland for whatever. 241 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:46,960 Maybe you're getting back enough stuff to where can you 242 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,919 attach that to DeAndre Hunter to send to Brooklyn and 243 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,919 they'll figure out that that's you could take those steps 244 00:11:53,159 --> 00:11:54,759 to do it before we die. 245 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,799 Speaker 3: What do you want? I was gonna say, no, I 246 00:11:57,159 --> 00:12:00,759 think we should uh, Like, I think so right to 247 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,639 your using that example, there are definitely ways where Cleveland 248 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,440 could swing, like several related deals to change that, to 249 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,399 change the look of the team, like and maybe that's 250 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:15,960 tempting given how disappointing they've been relative to last year, 251 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,120 and expectations like what are the odds of that versus 252 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:23,399 like we're just gonna hold pat and hope Max Streuce 253 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,879 solves the problem, Like don't don't you think the latter 254 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:28,120 is just like eminently more likely to. 255 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: Be sure, this was more of a thought exercise for me. 256 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:33,279 I'm not trading any of the core for at this point. 257 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,519 If I had to, you look at Alan, but I 258 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:37,879 think you're almost can you get at like the team 259 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:39,759 that's trading for Allan, are they gonna give you a 260 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:41,480 more physical big Like what do you. 261 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: Know what I mean? Zubots? 262 00:12:45,039 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: And then I think, if you're trading Alan, you're saying 263 00:12:47,039 --> 00:12:48,960 we want Moldy to play at the five, And so 264 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,200 then you get into the conversation of, well, who do 265 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,000 we want at the four? That's better than Struce or Hunter? 266 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,519 Speaker 3: Right right right, And in a lot of way, yeah, 267 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:03,600 Allen's the easier trade in a lot of ways, but 268 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:06,440 in another it's kind of like it'd be a like 269 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,039 for like thing or Yeah, I just this is a 270 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,919 tough team. I don't know, I don't know what. I 271 00:13:10,919 --> 00:13:13,480 don't even know what Allen's market value is anymore because 272 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,879 that extension. Boy, we've gone back and forth on extent. 273 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: I think it'll end up this year. You're right, this 274 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,159 year it looks tough, But I think he's a value. Now, yeah, 275 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,320 the next three years, who knows what is he at 276 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:28,600 percentage of the salary cap wise? Because I mean it's 277 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:31,759 only twenty eight so he's not even like so fifteen 278 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:33,240 percent of the salary cap. 279 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,799 Speaker 3: He's thirteen percent now that goes to seventeen, seventeen, close 280 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:38,399 to eighteen. 281 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,519 Speaker 2: If the question is do you think he's a starting 282 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:43,639 caliber big man, and the answers, yes. 283 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: That contract is perfectly fine. 284 00:13:44,879 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, that's fair. 285 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:49,159 Speaker 1: Now is it multiple first round picks? 286 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:49,519 Speaker 3: Fine? 287 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:51,639 Speaker 2: Is it trading him to When you look at the 288 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,639 teams that are in the market for a big and 289 00:13:55,799 --> 00:13:58,639 which team, like Boston wants a big would they give you? 290 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,399 But they're looking to save money of them, say Elves, 291 00:14:00,759 --> 00:14:04,080 So like Boston doesn't have players you want, But would 292 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,279 Boston give multiple first round picks to get Jared Dowen 293 00:14:06,399 --> 00:14:11,000 maybe twenty twenty six and like a distant one, you're 294 00:14:11,039 --> 00:14:13,120 involving all sorts of teams to pull out, well. 295 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: Who's coming who's coming back to Boston or coming back 296 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:16,440 to Cleveland. 297 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: In that it's like you're involving another team, like they 298 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:20,519 are getting Dayron Sharp out of that. 299 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: It's because, yeah, Simons is going somewhere. I would assume 300 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:26,080 in that hypothetical. 301 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,399 Speaker 2: This is all to say it's worth moving on because 302 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:30,559 they're not trading any of the core for member and 303 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,039 if they do, I probably will hate that deal. For them, 304 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,879 it would be my guess it would feel like a 305 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:38,799 cop out. Maybe there's some value in admitting, oh, this 306 00:14:38,879 --> 00:14:43,200 isn't it, but it's the East, Like there's things could 307 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,759 break in your favor and we could be talking about 308 00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:47,480 them as a conference finalist pretty. 309 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,559 Speaker 3: And I think just as importantly, like I don't think 310 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,000 like the the broad theory of breaking up the core 311 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,519 four is a terrible idea, but like to do it 312 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,240 now with the total like the limited options that are available, 313 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:05,159 like you do it in the off season. There's just nothing. 314 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,879 It's so we've just illustrated like how difficult it would 315 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:12,720 be right now to do anything like that really accomplishes 316 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:14,600 what you should be able to if you're gonna trade 317 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:17,159 one of those four players because they're all good, uh Like, 318 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,200 I think, I think just the timing of it, to 319 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,679 me is the most prohibitive thing this. 320 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:22,639 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. 321 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,759 Speaker 2: If I'm Cleveland, and maybe I wouldn't recommend this, but 322 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,240 I was to make my prediction right, and since I'm 323 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:29,799 selfish i had them coming out of the East, I'm 324 00:15:29,799 --> 00:15:30,639 more likely to just double. 325 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: You have a first round pick to trade and tradeable. 326 00:15:32,759 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: Salaries like there's you have, uh, DeAndre Hunter's not immovable. 327 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:39,440 That's a big not like Lonzo Ball is this expiring 328 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:43,360 number you There's probably teams, especially what's a team that's 329 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:46,159 not gonna be good that's kind of waiting on it. 330 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:48,120 They might even want Max Struce where it's always not 331 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:49,720 gonna like we're kind of gonna get like the Pacers, 332 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:51,919 where they want Max Struce for something because they're in 333 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,080 the middle of the gap year. So if I'm Cleveland, 334 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,080 I'm more likely to do something like that, which leads 335 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,600 me to my question of just have you given a 336 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,840 thought like what are the types of players that they 337 00:16:02,919 --> 00:16:05,679 go after? I think what that would be interesting and 338 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,799 I'm curious to get your thoughts they could get. 339 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: Would you put your first round pick on the table 340 00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:13,320 to get Herb Jones from New Orleans. 341 00:16:13,879 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 3: Man he does in theory if the shooting could be 342 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,720 what it was at its best fit, like exactly what 343 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:24,879 they need, because you could hide Garland more effectively, or 344 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:27,759 and lighten the load on Mitchell more effectively with him 345 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:31,519 guarding just kind of anything. I'm giving up a first 346 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:36,320 I'm giving up what probably Struce maybe Ball. 347 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,639 Speaker 1: Because they can't aggregate, so it has to be or 348 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:44,559 Shreuce or Hunter. 349 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,679 Speaker 3: I didn't even think about Hunter. 350 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: Honestly, you're getting off of Hunter's money. That might be 351 00:16:50,759 --> 00:16:52,840 part of the like is it the first round pick? 352 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: And now then sorry if it's Hunter like and you're 353 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,080 getting Jones back. I think if I'm the Pelicans, I'm like, 354 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,600 one first is not enough. 355 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:05,839 Speaker 2: Right, and they're also going to probably have to send 356 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,559 out other money because of their own tax situation. 357 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's that's tricky. 358 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: Herb is on the books for fourteen. So would you 359 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:17,839 give up strus in a first to get Herb Jones. 360 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 3: Well, let's see, so it's they're distant. Well, I was 361 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,799 gonna say, if it's this year, sure, because who cares? 362 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: No, it has to be it's it's a thirty yeah, 363 00:17:31,279 --> 00:17:32,240 thirty one, thirty. 364 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 3: Two, right, yep? I would, man, I would at least think, 365 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,799 wouldn't you think about it? I just think like, well, 366 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:43,759 there's also the possibility that it's just like this is 367 00:17:43,799 --> 00:17:46,400 good money after bad because this corus isn't quite good enough. 368 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,440 I don't think either of us are sold on that idea. 369 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,440 So I think you probably got to say yes just 370 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,559 because the money, I don't know, it's not our money. 371 00:17:54,559 --> 00:17:56,720 That's that's kind of what I fall back to. But 372 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,480 I think Herb is a in theory. Jones is like, 373 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,839 like I said, like, oh my god, this guy might 374 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:05,480 just be the exact right fit. 375 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably. 376 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,599 Speaker 2: It's a conversation I'm trying to figure out, like they 377 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:12,960 have two seconds they could trade. 378 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: Is that able to get you? 379 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:14,279 Speaker 3: Like? 380 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: Can you use Hunter instead and take back what other 381 00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:19,640 money does New Orleans have that maybe it doesn't want 382 00:18:20,079 --> 00:18:21,279 to make the math work there? 383 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 3: Does do Naji Marshall or Max Christy do anything for you? 384 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:27,279 I don't know why I have Dallas on the brain, 385 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,599 but those guys are making like nine and seven respectfully. 386 00:18:31,559 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: So you give up a first hundred and a first 387 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:36,160 for Christy and Naji Marshall. 388 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,519 Speaker 1: I would do that in a heartbeat, if I'm clean. 389 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't saying I wasn't saying both. I was saying, 390 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,559 like either one of those guys, you know, because then 391 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:43,839 then it doesn't necessarily need to be Hunter. It could 392 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,640 be I don't know if you do this, but I 393 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,119 think Sam Merrill makes you could do Christy for Merrill 394 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,799 if you just want youth and I don't know, some 395 00:18:50,839 --> 00:18:52,279 more size, but Merril's been. 396 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: Honestly, I might be more likely to trade Max Strews 397 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,160 at this moment. 398 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,759 Speaker 3: Well sure, yeah, maybe Dallas wouldn't care. I'm just thinking 399 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:02,599 of guys that I could slot in between the two 400 00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:05,000 guards and the and the and Christy might not even 401 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:06,559 be like quite what you're looking for. 402 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:09,079 Speaker 2: They're a little bit big, like that doesn't solve your 403 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,119 That helps you, like defensively on the perimeter, but that's 404 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,039 not going to solve your Like it feels like they 405 00:19:14,079 --> 00:19:16,680 need a someone who's more of a three to four 406 00:19:17,319 --> 00:19:20,200 than a like one, two three. 407 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, two three. Let's see Ron Holland is too small 408 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,759 and Detroit's not trading him for a for a single 409 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:31,559 first probably or at least not a cat. Maybe they would. 410 00:19:31,599 --> 00:19:34,119 I don't know. I'm trying to You've given me the 411 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,079 herb Jones thoughts, so now I'm just trying to think 412 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:37,119 guys like him. 413 00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: I'm just asking, does it and even think about it? 414 00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:41,359 If the first round pick is on the table for 415 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,160 Aaron Nesmith? 416 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 3: Ooh, you know, I like Aaron Nesmith. What's he make? 417 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:48,119 Let's pull him up. 418 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:48,559 Speaker 1: He's like. 419 00:19:50,039 --> 00:19:54,039 Speaker 3: Eleven for and then he but Cleveland won't care. But 420 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:57,720 nineteen and twenty at the end of that new extension, 421 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:01,400 eleven for aaron Ne Smith is pretty good. 422 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't think Andy would 423 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:05,599 do it. 424 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: Well. 425 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 3: Probably If it's so, that's probably Struce, right, even though 426 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,599 Struce makes like sixteen. If you're Indy, you could Anie 427 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,960 Smith just proved it last year. He's just like a 428 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,960 real piece of that team if they are gonna get 429 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,759 good again, right, that's yeah one first, and you're if 430 00:20:25,759 --> 00:20:28,559 you're Cleveland, you're not going like fully unprotected. Probably, So 431 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,279 I don't know if that's enough for Andy. 432 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: If it's fully unprotected. Do you think Indy does it? 433 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:35,519 Speaker 3: I mean I would, but again, this is the same thing. 434 00:20:35,599 --> 00:20:37,960 This is a six or seven years out. 435 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 2: Like I have to you know, I have to mention 436 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:43,960 this name justin Champagne. That's only two million bucks of 437 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,599 money you have to match. Does two sevens get you 438 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,359 justin Champagne? I think it's a twenty seven from Denver 439 00:20:49,839 --> 00:20:52,119 and a twenty thirty two from Cleveland? 440 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: I don't hate that Usman Jang. 441 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:01,279 Speaker 1: Do they get ak Bajie back? 442 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,599 Speaker 3: Oh Man? Who else? Do you have another name? I'm 443 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:08,839 just scanning now I'm interested in. 444 00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have a couple. So this doesn't what 445 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,440 about I don't know what it would take. And he's 446 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,680 gonna have a statue probably, But Kenrich Williams would be 447 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:16,839 really good for this team. 448 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,079 Speaker 3: What he makes seven and then ooh, I love that 449 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:26,279 team option for next year is he? But he's not 450 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,240 someone if you're trying to like upgrade the hunter slash 451 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,759 uh Jalen Tyson spot Williams isn't playing over those guys, right. 452 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: M I mean. 453 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 2: I'd play him over those two, I think, just for 454 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,880 what he could do defensively. But I get you know, 455 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,440 those guys can play like you can't. I mean you could, 456 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,440 but you're not playing Kenric Williams, Mobile and Allen together, 457 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:50,240 is what you're saying. 458 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 3: Okay, Uh yeah, probably No, I don't. I wouldn't, right, Yeah, 459 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,039 I don't think so who else could we? What about 460 00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:03,480 the tm Ooh, you're not gonna get a lot of 461 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,640 minutes out of him. But he's like you would feel 462 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,319 good about him on the floor between the two bigs 463 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:11,240 and two smalls in like a playoff situation. He's gonna 464 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,680 make like four corner threes in a playoff game you 465 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,079 can bank. 466 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: Here's one. 467 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 2: What if you just you put the first round pick 468 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,599 on the table. I think Lonzo Ball's money alone would work. 469 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,079 And you just go to Memphis and say, here's this 470 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:30,000 pick Lonzo Ball's expiring contract for Jaalen Wells and Cam Spencer. 471 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 3: Oh god, I would do that if I'm Cleveland, wouldn't you. 472 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 2: Well, let's say the picks. If the picks I'm protected, 473 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:39,480 Are you doing it? 474 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's I'm not gonna be on the job 475 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,839 when that pick conveys. 476 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:50,799 Speaker 2: Goby always like bugget Yeah, Uh does Memphis even think 477 00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:55,920 about it. Probably not, Probably not. I was gonna you know, 478 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,599 the name that popped. 479 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: The trade though, right, what if? 480 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: What if Houston is like, we know we are not 481 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,920 going to be able to keep Tari Eastan? Is there 482 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,880 any way Cleveland can make that happen. 483 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: If you're willing to. I mean they could make it. 484 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:12,359 I mean it does. 485 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 3: I don't think that pick is enough. I think you'd 486 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,119 have better offers as Houston. 487 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: Really than a twenty thirty one first round pick. 488 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, don't you think so? 489 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,559 Speaker 1: I from who? 490 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 3: Well, I guess the problem too is like the Calves 491 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,240 are would be trading for Eastan and that can't be 492 00:23:32,279 --> 00:23:34,799 a rental. But then he's gonna hit restricted free agency 493 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:36,519 and you're over way over the second apron, like how 494 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:39,279 much you're going to pay to keep him? So that's 495 00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:41,000 that's actually a bad suggestion by me. 496 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean you could just pay him and 497 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:46,920 hope that you could dump DeAndre Hunter or yeah. 498 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 3: But but then, but then the problems compounded because you 499 00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:53,319 just dealt the only first you have are getting off. 500 00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:55,519 Speaker 2: If they stay out of the state, they could trade 501 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,240 twenty thirty three over the summer. 502 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:57,799 Speaker 1: There you go. 503 00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 3: But the whole thing is you're you're not getting because 504 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:03,880 you just paid Tari Easton twenty six million dollars a year. 505 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,759 Speaker 2: No, you use that pick to get out my oh okay, 506 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,119 there's also just so we get into Like with Tari Easton, 507 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,799 it would have to be like the money is are 508 00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:17,400 you moving? Like Sam Merrill for Tari Easton straight up 509 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,480 is probably a deal the Rockets should do. They're too 510 00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:21,319 close to the tax you need to figure that out, 511 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:25,759 or rather they're into the tax. But like or Dean Wade, 512 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,160 well he's in the final year of his deal too. 513 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,319 Speaker 3: I mean, Wade is definitely someone they can move just 514 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:32,920 because he might. 515 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,319 Speaker 2: It's like, right, but then you're wondering. I know Tari 516 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,599 Easton is probably more valuable in a vacuum, but I 517 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:43,000 think you would want someone in addition to Dean Wade. 518 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,279 Speaker 1: Not we're subbing out Dean Wade. 519 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,319 Speaker 3: Right, right, right? I mean Kelton Johnson is the type 520 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:51,720 of player that you're talking about, the the more of 521 00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:55,319 a four than a three, that can score a little bit. 522 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,319 And as if you want to add you want to 523 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:01,799 add physicality to Cleveland, there's your guy. He makes seventeen 524 00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:04,680 and a half. That's a hunter trade and I don't 525 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,960 know why the spurs. I don't know if that's enough 526 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,759 of a sweetener to take Hunter and turn Johnson into Hunter. 527 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,759 The moral of the story would be that first round 528 00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:16,799 pick has to have some like if I'm wondering if 529 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,480 maybe I'm not high enough on Max Christy, but like 530 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:23,359 the Hunter for Marshall Christy and that pick, and I mean, 531 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,079 I'll include the second if I need to. And I'm 532 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,039 Cleveland as well, like that would be pretty interesting. I 533 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:34,359 would absolutely do that if I'm Cleveland, not just I 534 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,440 think either one of Christy or Marshall might be worth it. 535 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,319 But if you get both, to know, you can't. 536 00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 2: Give up I love Naji Marshall, but you can't give 537 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,400 up your twenty thirty one first round pick for Naji Marshall. 538 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. Unless I mean, if there were a 539 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,880 hypothetical where you had something else q'ed up that was 540 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,559 also going to get you out of the second apron, 541 00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:56,079 maybe that makes it closer to worth it. But I 542 00:25:56,079 --> 00:26:00,480 don't know what you're using to dump another, right you say, 543 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:04,160 like close to thirteen, just if it's just Marshall, so 544 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,319 you still got another nine. You've got to figure out 545 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,559 how to eliminate. That's tough. 546 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: Do you look at all at a change of pace 547 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:14,279 big if you could get day like if it's Lonzo 548 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,640 Ball and a second round pick for Dayroon Sharp or 549 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,319 two seconds for Dayron Sharp, or like. 550 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,079 Speaker 3: By you mean like a physical. 551 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,279 Speaker 1: He will come in and you will actually feel him. 552 00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 3: You'll feel no, he's out there. Yeah yeah, I mean 553 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,200 it feels it feels wasteful since to essentially start two centers, 554 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,079 but just to add a different dimension, I mean really 555 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,519 like you should be able to. I guess it's best 556 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:42,839 to get the bruiser impact from a center, but like 557 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,160 how it shouldn't be that hard to find some like 558 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,000 two way guy that's just gonna come in and like 559 00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:50,480 beat the shit out of right, Like physicality shouldn't be 560 00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:52,839 like a thing you need to trade for. Like there's 561 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,519 got to be a bunch of hungry bigs that are 562 00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:56,240 in the G League that would be happy to come 563 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,519 in and like bang around. I don't know, I just 564 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:02,599 I still feel like the real issue is that wing 565 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,119 spot as opposed to a big that does stuff with 566 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,799 you wish Alan and Mobile did. 567 00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: He's not quite I don't think he's big. He's definitely 568 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,599 not a combo big. He's more of a two three. 569 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,200 But Kean Ellis is just so cheap mm hmm. 570 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets you kind of like the ballhawk physicality 571 00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:22,759 stuff elsewhere. But I mean he's he's not knocking anyone. 572 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,279 I mean, I'm so shocked. You know who has the 573 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:28,319 heft to play with great physicality is Yabo. I can't 574 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,640 believe you the gowns yet. 575 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,799 Speaker 2: They so they're not out of options, but it is 576 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:36,640 tough because you can't aggregate salaries. 577 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: It just gets really tough really quickly. 578 00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: And then also, I do think you're probably feeling way 579 00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:46,119 worse about moving your first round pick now than you 580 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,720 were entering the season when you thought that you might 581 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,839 have been regimited favorites in the Eastern Conference. 582 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,319 Speaker 3: So maybe that's the kind of thing to to rap with. 583 00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:59,440 Is yes or no? Will Cleveland make a trade at 584 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,119 the deadline. 585 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 2: I think they're gonna make a trade, and I think 586 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:06,000 it's it'll be for a player with utility. But I 587 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,200 think they're gonna end up cutting their tax bills, so 588 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,799 they're not gonna get out of the second apron. 589 00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: If they do that wild, that would just be I mean, why. 590 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,759 Speaker 2: Like even if they get cheaper, and then maybe they 591 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:17,640 think about getting out of the second apron near the draft. 592 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: It's just they're so far into it. 593 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 2: Twenty two million dollars is so much money to cut 594 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,440 even as part of two trades, and. 595 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:29,319 Speaker 3: Then that probably means I think, I agree, well, I 596 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,599 would say this. I think it's I think it's very 597 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,160 like it's very possible that they don't do anything. If 598 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,720 but they will, like Lonzo's just sitting there with like 599 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:40,680 that essentially expiring deal that you can move. I can 600 00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:44,880 imagine them deciding it's worth it to us to remove 601 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,640 that ten million plus all the tax penalties we're gonna 602 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,480 have to pay on it next year. But it won't be. 603 00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:52,599 I don't think they're gonna make a trade that improves 604 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,200 the roster. It would be would be where I land. 605 00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:58,319 Speaker 2: What's more likely they they do something like trade their 606 00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:00,799 first round the first round picked to improve the roster, 607 00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:05,799 or you send Jared Allen into the Christops porzingis trade 608 00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:08,359 exception in Boston. Who are sending you back a bunch 609 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:09,079 of picks? 610 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,079 Speaker 3: The second one, I think the second one, I. 611 00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,319 Speaker 2: Don't even know if that's I don't even I think 612 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,079 it's the first I actually think it's giving up the 613 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:18,599 first I think it's tripling down. 614 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,559 Speaker 3: Well the thing, yeah, Boston can't just take Boston doesn't 615 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:23,079 want to take on a bunch of money Boston. 616 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,599 Speaker 2: Well, they could have another, they could have an Anthony 617 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,160 Simon's trade lined up. 618 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 3: I would order it like Lonzo Ball money dump type thing. One, 619 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,359 nothing at all to improve the roster. Three in terms 620 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:39,960 of likelihood, that's right. 621 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,279 Speaker 2: And then core four member for if you four yeah, 622 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:45,599 like distant distant for you had you had that Jared 623 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,079 Allen scenario up there though I don't know, you know, 624 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:48,480 I don't know. 625 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: Crazy happen. 626 00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:51,839 Speaker 2: Are you ready to take us out of here? Or 627 00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:54,240 do you have anything else to offer? On the your 628 00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:56,000 Cleveland Cavaliers. 629 00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh no, I think they should thank me for 630 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,480 getting them Nauji Marshall and Max Christy pretty good, Pretty 631 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,079 good job by me. 632 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 2: We also got from Herb Jones at one point. We 633 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,920 also got on Herb Jones, Cam Spencer and Jalen Wells. 634 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,680 You're welcome, Cleveland. 635 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:11,519 Speaker 3: This is pretty good. 636 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: So easy. Running an NBA team and the d. 637 00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:16,119 Speaker 3: GM is not hard, especially if you if you operate 638 00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,240 from the perspective of like I'm only gonna be here 639 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,079 for a couple of years. Who cares what happens in 640 00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:23,640 the twenty thirties. Really easy, then, thanks everybody for listening, 641 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,079 for watching. Remember to rate and review and subscribe, and 642 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:28,680 share this with your friends, with your family, with your enemies, 643 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,799 with your family that you don't like, especially them, especially 644 00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:34,319 if they're Cavs fans. Join our discord links for that 645 00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:37,920 in the YouTube and podcast description. We close appropriately with 646 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,240 a shout to Franklin Lakeena and apology to Cleveland cavalier 647 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,240 Jared Allen.