Speaker 1: You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
Speaker 1: KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2: It's a KFI election desk mo Kelly. We're live everywhere
Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. And just to give you an update,
Speaker 2: the electoral map is coming into focus and it's not
Speaker 2: looking good for Harris supporters. Former President Donald Trump, who's
Speaker 2: on the verge of becoming President Trump again, leads Vice
Speaker 2: President Harris two forty eight to two sixteen. I'm following
Speaker 2: Fox News and their projections and the races that they
Speaker 2: have called. Most recently, Georgia has been called for former
Speaker 2: President Trump. And if you were listening, when I was
Speaker 2: sitting in with Mark Thompson and Tim Conway Junior, I
Speaker 2: was making the point that for each state the Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris would lose tonight that Joe Biden won in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: she would have to make that up elsewhere. Georgia, we
Speaker 2: all know how important it was in determining Joe Biden's
Speaker 2: victory back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Joe Biden took Georgia.
Speaker 2: Losing it tonight meant that Kamala Harris would have to
Speaker 2: replace those sixteen Electoral College votes somewhere else. Earlier in
Speaker 2: the evening, they said, well, it would probably have to
Speaker 2: be North Carolina, which is also sixteen Electoral College votes,
Speaker 2: but Donald Trump took North Carolina. At this point, without
Speaker 2: getting into all the different scenarios, Kamala Harris would have
Speaker 2: to take Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania just about every
Speaker 2: remaining state for her to have a sniff of the presidency.
Speaker 2: But if you look at the numbers, she is trailing
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin by four points, trailing in Michigan by about
Speaker 2: seven points, and trailing in Pennsylvania by four points. And
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania, ninety percent of of the reported votes are
Speaker 2: in Long story short, there really is not a path
Speaker 2: for Kamala Harris. This is just me talking, is not
Speaker 2: an official projection by anyone, but just looking at the
Speaker 2: map as it is, there's real no path to victory
Speaker 2: for Kamala Harris. That said, most recently, Centric Richmond of
Speaker 2: the Harris campaign recently addressed supporters at the campaign headquarters
Speaker 2: tonight at Howard University and inform the crowd in a
Speaker 2: very solemn way that Vice President Harris would not be
Speaker 2: addressing supporters tonight, but she would tomorrow. She would not
Speaker 2: make any statement tonight, either concession or acknowledgment anything like that.
Speaker 3: Any statement or speech would be tomorrow.
Speaker 2: And if you know anything about politics, you understand why
Speaker 2: that is. There are some states conceivably where they would
Speaker 2: finish within the margin of a mandatory automatic recount, which could,
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe prolong the process if like, for example,
Speaker 2: if they were to finish within one percentage point of
Speaker 2: each other in Pennsylvania, there'll be a mandatory recount and
Speaker 2: that would prolong the process, and then you'd have Vice
Speaker 2: President Harris address the specifics of that moment in that moment.
Speaker 2: And it won't be tonight, It'll probably be tomorrow. I
Speaker 2: have not seen well actually no CNN is reporting that
Speaker 2: former President Trump is going to address supporters tonight. We
Speaker 2: don't know exactly when, but they're saying it is soon
Speaker 2: and if it should be in the next forty five
Speaker 2: minutes or so, we'll bring that to live here on
Speaker 2: KFI AM six forty. And beyond the presidential race, if
Speaker 2: you look at the Senate map, it's pretty much locked
Speaker 2: in that the Republicans will have control of the Senate.
Speaker 2: And that means that if we are talking about a
Speaker 2: forty seventh President Trump, he will be able to confirm,
Speaker 2: at least on a party line vote, all of his appointees,
Speaker 2: let's say his cabinet, let's say federal judges, any Supreme
Speaker 2: Court justices, if there's an opening, any of his cabinet secretaries,
Speaker 2: all of that will be They will be able to
Speaker 2: confirm without any opposition from the Democrats whatsoever. Even if
Speaker 2: it were a close vote, they would be presumably a
Speaker 2: Vice President jd. Vance, who would be the tie breaking vote,
Speaker 2: So the Democrats would not have any leverage. There the
Speaker 2: remaining hope for Democrats, and that is not it's unclear
Speaker 2: as far as what's going to happen is in the
Speaker 2: House of Representatives. In the House of Representatives, obviously you
Speaker 2: control the power of the purse, You control a lot
Speaker 2: of bills that would get to the floor, in fact,
Speaker 2: all the bills, and you would have the Speaker of
Speaker 2: the House. Right now, the Republicans lead the Democrats one
Speaker 2: eighty three to one fifty three. But the Democrats have
Speaker 2: a lot of races that they stand to win on
Speaker 2: the West Coast where they're much more left leaning.
Speaker 3: That gap is going to close.
Speaker 2: They need a total of two hundred and eighteen to
Speaker 2: control the House, and we may not know who wins
Speaker 2: the House, possibly for a number of weeks, that it
Speaker 2: may come down to California. We were talking earlier to
Speaker 2: Corbyn Carson talking about some of the races which are
Speaker 2: hotly contested in Orange County, surprisingly enough or maybe not
Speaker 2: so surprisingly, and those races may directly impact who has
Speaker 2: control of the House. And if you have control of
Speaker 2: the House, you get determined the Speaker of the House,
Speaker 2: and you would be able to provide some resistance if
Speaker 2: you are a Democrat and would want to provide resistance
Speaker 2: against an eventual president Trump.
Speaker 3: But that's where it all stands right about now.
Speaker 2: And when we come back next segment, I'll be joined
Speaker 2: by Mike Dubuski, who will be talking to voters in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: We were just talking about that how presently former President
Speaker 2: Trump is up about four points and that could be
Speaker 2: the official end of this presidential race if Pennsylvania is
Speaker 2: put in the column of Donald Trump. So we'll check
Speaker 2: in with Mike Debusky of ABC News. Next, it's the
Speaker 2: KFI Election Desk on mo Kelly. We're live everywhere on
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Speaker 1: You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
Speaker 1: KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2: KFI Election Desks. I'm o Kelly. We're live everywhere on
Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. And joining me right now is Mike Debusky,
Speaker 2: ABC News reporter and Mike is on scene in Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: getting the temperature and the lay of the land.
Speaker 3: Mike, how you doing this evening or morning?
Speaker 4: D Yeah, good morning, I think is the appropriate thing
Speaker 4: to say here. Good evening to you. The latest from
Speaker 4: Pennsylvania is that we have about ninety three percent of
Speaker 4: the vote in in this crucial swing state, nineteen electoral
Speaker 4: votes up for grabs here in Pennsylvania, and Donald Trump
Speaker 4: leads by about three percentage points, at a little bit
Speaker 4: more than a two hundred thousand vote margin. Here in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm sitting in Bucks County, in Newtown, Bucks County.
Speaker 3: This is a.
Speaker 4: District just north of Philadelphia, County, just north of Philadelphia,
Speaker 4: and it is a county that has gone blue since
Speaker 4: the late eighties. You have to go back to the
Speaker 4: George H. W. Bush Michael Dukakis election to find the
Speaker 4: last time that this particular county went to the Republicans.
Speaker 4: But right now, though, I can tell you it is
Speaker 4: a Donald Trump held election with sixty nine percent of
Speaker 4: the vote in Donald Trump has one hundred and forty
Speaker 4: one thousand votes just over that actually, and Kamala Harris
Speaker 4: has one hundred and thirty seven thousand votes approximately, holding
Speaker 4: a slight lead here in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, again a
Speaker 4: crucial county in a crucial state.
Speaker 2: As it stands, it seems like if it holds, it
Speaker 2: numerically holds, this would be outside the margin of point
Speaker 2: five percent, which would before a mandate to recount.
Speaker 3: Is that correct, right?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And recount rules here in Pennsylvania are pretty interesting
Speaker 4: to pay attention to. So automatic recounts are triggered if
Speaker 4: a margin is less than are equal to zero point
Speaker 4: five percent of the total vote. So that is certainly
Speaker 4: in play as the remaining votes are count are counted.
Speaker 4: I should say, I'm talking with elections officials here and
Speaker 4: in these counties where we are still waiting on a
Speaker 4: pretty substantial amount of the vote to come in. They're
Speaker 4: saying there's a lot of votes left to be counted.
Speaker 4: We're not having that conversation yet. And of course, if
Speaker 4: you think back to four years ago, we were waiting
Speaker 4: on Pennsylvania for a little while five days. As a
Speaker 4: matter of fact, it took for Pennsylvania to be called
Speaker 4: for President Biden at the time, and that is something
Speaker 4: that elections officials here have been trying to tamp down on.
Speaker 4: They don't want to repeat of twenty twenty because that
Speaker 4: time frame, that five day period, allowed conspiracies to flourish
Speaker 4: and then for a general deterioration in trust in the
Speaker 4: system of counting votes here in the state of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4: So elections officials have been saying that they have you know,
Speaker 4: trained their you know, vote talliers in a much more
Speaker 4: robust way. They have better machines and more machines they
Speaker 4: can do this, and they expect this process to go
Speaker 4: a lot more quickly than it did four years ago.
Speaker 4: What that means on the ground, it's still sort of unclear.
Speaker 4: An election official told me yesterday that we could be
Speaker 4: you know, getting a final total around midday tomorrow. But
Speaker 4: you know, things change in a day, and that's certainly
Speaker 4: the case here in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Speaking of things changing from four years ago, please correct,
Speaker 2: please correct me if I have this wrong. Is it
Speaker 2: now that Pennsylvania was allowed to process and start counting
Speaker 2: the mail in ballots earlier than four years ago.
Speaker 4: Right, so the absentee ballots are counted at the same time,
Speaker 4: that was seven am on this morning, or i should say,
Speaker 4: yesterday morning here in Pennsylvania. That it does extend the
Speaker 4: amount of time that it takes to tabulate those absentee balance.
Speaker 4: It's a big part of the REA and why we
Speaker 4: weigh around oftentimes for votes in Pennsylvania. There has been
Speaker 4: a number of lawsuits filed around mail in ballots. As
Speaker 4: of right now, undated ballots are not going to be counted. However,
Speaker 4: voters in this state had until eight pm or depending
Speaker 4: on your county, potentially as late as ten PM to
Speaker 4: submit a provisional ballot in case you've mailed in your
Speaker 4: ballot and forgot to write the date on it. That also,
Speaker 4: all this extra stuff, these sort of edge cases, is
Speaker 4: going to prolong the amount of time it takes for
Speaker 4: vote talliers to make sure that the vote is accurate
Speaker 4: and processed correctly. Means we might be sitting here for
Speaker 4: the next couple days or so.
Speaker 2: Thanks to the Internet or blame the Internet, everyone kind
Speaker 2: of knows what is happening around the country. I know
Speaker 2: that you have been talking to Pennsylvania voters over the
Speaker 2: course of the day into the evening. What has been
Speaker 2: the general feeling about, not necessarily just what's happening in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: but according to Pennsylvania voters, what are they thinking about
Speaker 2: the larger picture.
Speaker 4: So according to exit polls that we've put together here
Speaker 4: at ABC News, there are four main issues that voters
Speaker 4: voted on this election cycle. This is across the country,
Speaker 4: but it's absolutely reflected here in Pennsylvania. Number one, protecting democracy.
Speaker 4: That was an interesting issue to be seen at the
Speaker 4: top of this list. Under that the economy, which we're
Speaker 4: seeing show up in house races across Pennsylvania or down
Speaker 4: ballot races i should say, across Pennsylvania and across the
Speaker 4: country as well. Below that, abortion and immigration. And I'll
Speaker 4: just say anecdotally and talking to voters of the last
Speaker 4: day or so, you know, we saw Vice President Kamala
Speaker 4: Harris hold that big rally in pencil in Philadelphia on
Speaker 4: the steps of the Philadelphia Art Museum. Talking to voters
Speaker 4: going into that event, you could not find a single
Speaker 4: person who did not list abortion and women's rights issues.
Speaker 4: As the top reason they were voting this election day.
Speaker 4: That was the thing they had in their minds as
Speaker 4: they cast their ballots. And similarly, on the other side
Speaker 4: of the aisle, right here in Bucks County where I
Speaker 4: am right now, less than a ten minute drive from
Speaker 4: where I am right now, JD. Vance held a rally
Speaker 4: at an athletic club here in town, and you're talking
Speaker 4: to voters going into that event. All of them listed
Speaker 4: the economy. They were concerned about wages, they were concerned
Speaker 4: about inflation, and generally unhappy with the economic policies of
Speaker 4: the Biden administration. Saw Democrats over the past several years tout,
Speaker 4: you know, major economic gains that really didn't show up
Speaker 4: for a lot of people, at least here in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4: That's what they've been saying that, you know, this sort
Speaker 4: of disperture between what they're hearing from the top estralons
Speaker 4: of government what they're actually seeing on the ground. Just
Speaker 4: they couldn't square that circle.
Speaker 2: There's something that I personally want to know, and we
Speaker 2: may not know for a number of days until we
Speaker 2: get all the exit data. But there's a question of
Speaker 2: whether it was the issue that animated voters or whether
Speaker 2: it was the candidate, and the only constant between twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and twenty twenty four is Donald Trump. And
Speaker 2: if we look at Kamala Harris, she has been running
Speaker 2: behind Joe Biden just about across the country, from what
Speaker 2: the states that she was winning to even the states
Speaker 2: that she was losing. Donald Trump is performing better in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four than he did in twenty twenty. Is
Speaker 2: there anything that we can take away from that in
Speaker 2: the sense of was it something wrong air quotes with
Speaker 2: the candidate or was it the Democrats were talking about
Speaker 2: the wrong issues or both right?
Speaker 4: And you're absolutely right to the site the comparison between
Speaker 4: how Kamala Harris is being received by voters from what
Speaker 4: we understand versus both Joe Biden and Donald Trump, we're seeing,
Speaker 4: really Kamala Harris only outperformed Joe Biden's twenty twenty performance
Speaker 4: in two main sectors. One is women and the other
Speaker 4: is college educated voters. And that's kind of the only
Speaker 4: two areas in the electorate where she is outperforming her predecessor.
Speaker 4: And that is an especially star comparison. When we consider
Speaker 4: the talk about Kamala Harris just mere months ago that
Speaker 4: she was the more energetic can candidate, that Democrats had
Speaker 4: this sort of momentum and energy around them. They had
Speaker 4: been touting the word weird to describe their opponents, and
Speaker 4: they had memes and all these sorts of things that
Speaker 4: were floating around the campaign, sort of indicating a certain
Speaker 4: youthful energy and momentum to the campaign. In the months since,
Speaker 4: we've seen a shift in that.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: We've seen the Harris campaign try to cater to median
Speaker 4: voters a little bit more. We've seen Republican endorsements be
Speaker 4: touted by the Harris campaign. Yeah, that is a different
Speaker 4: sort of strategy from the initial part of the campaign
Speaker 4: that we first saw kind of take off in mid summer.
Speaker 4: And you know, maybe that is part of the reason
Speaker 4: that resonated with voters or that showed up with voters.
Speaker 4: It's really unclear. Again, a lot of the vote tally
Speaker 4: left to be counted here in some crucial areas in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 4: you know, here in Bucks County, as I said, about
Speaker 4: sixty nine percent of the vote is in, so we
Speaker 4: got a good chunk of that left to come. I
Speaker 4: was texting with a local elections official here just to
Speaker 4: kind of get an idea of exactly where are those
Speaker 4: votes are left, and he hasn't gotten back to me.
Speaker 4: He may have very well gone to bed, which you know,
Speaker 4: reasonable a little jealous at this point, but you know
Speaker 4: that is kind of the nature of the game here
Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Mike Debuski, ABC News reporter joins me and Mike before
Speaker 2: I let you go, one more question. We know that
Speaker 2: the Republicans are going to be taking control of the
Speaker 2: Senate and that is due in part to what it
Speaker 2: looks like is going to be the Democratic incumbent, Bob
Speaker 2: Casey losing in Pennsylvania if the results hold true. Is
Speaker 2: there anything that we can take from that?
Speaker 4: Yes, so that is a huge race here. Now. It
Speaker 4: is worth mentioning that as of right now, ABC News
Speaker 4: has not projected a winner in the Pennsylvania Senate race.
Speaker 4: But if I can just pull up the numbers here
Speaker 4: and give you the latest, Dave McCormick, a former hedge
Speaker 4: fund manager, is leading in that crucial Senate race against
Speaker 4: Bob Casey, the incumbent Democrat who has held this position
Speaker 4: since two thousand and six, by a margin of two
Speaker 4: percentage points just about one hundred thousand votes. To separate
Speaker 4: these two candidates. There is ninety two percent of the
Speaker 4: vote reporting in that particular race. This is a real
Speaker 4: big upset. Again, Bob Casey has held this Senate seat
Speaker 4: for a long time, and we've actually seen Dave McCormick
Speaker 4: take a run at the Senate seat in Pennsylvania before
Speaker 4: and fail. Back in twenty twenty two, he lost the
Speaker 4: Republican primary to doctor Oz, who then of course went
Speaker 4: on to lose the race to Democrat John Fetterman here
Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania. Five point thirty eight analysis that this particular
Speaker 4: race leaned Democratic clearly does not seem like that shakedown
Speaker 4: in the actual vote tallies here. Still a little bit
Speaker 4: of the vote left to be tallied, but again it's
Speaker 4: not looking good for Democrats here in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: Mike, after we get off the phone, do you get
Speaker 3: to go to sleep? Maybe soon.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm not gonna in a similar way, We're not
Speaker 4: going to make a projection.
Speaker 3: Mike Deboski, ABC News reporter, Thank you Mike.
Speaker 2: So much for coming on tonight, of course, but take it.
Speaker 2: It's the KFI election desk. I'm mo Kelly. We're not
Speaker 2: done yet. We have more information on the local races, propositions,
Speaker 2: the measures, and also the national races and what is
Speaker 2: shaping up to be possibly a return to the White
Speaker 2: House by former President Trump.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 3: It's a CAFI election Desk. I'm Okelly.
Speaker 2: We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app or monitoring Trump
Speaker 2: Headquarters as the former president is about to address his
Speaker 2: supporters is a huge venue where it seems like it's
Speaker 2: eminent that he's going to speak, if and when he
Speaker 2: takes the stage, will bring those remarks to you live.
Speaker 2: I just want to give you a few anecdotes while
Speaker 2: we're waiting, and if you take a step back, and
Speaker 2: if you take the emotion out of it, I think
Speaker 2: it's fair to say that the Democrats did the best
Speaker 2: with what they had. What I mean by that is,
Speaker 2: can we all agree that Joe Biden probably loses no
Speaker 2: matter what, and if it's not going to be Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: As far as the nominee, it was going to be
Speaker 2: most likely Kamala Harris. There was no one else out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there were plenty of people who probably wanted to be nominee.
Speaker 3: But it was going to be.
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, and whether you like her or loathe her,
Speaker 2: how she ran her campaign, it was about as good
Speaker 2: as I think that she could do in one hundred
Speaker 2: days as far as generating an excitement within the Democratic Party,
Speaker 2: galvanizing people around her, turning out the vote.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't seem to be that it was enough.
Speaker 2: And there's a real question of whether it was possible,
Speaker 2: given what we're seeing tonight, whether it was possible for
Speaker 2: her to win at all. And if you asked me
Speaker 2: personally or privately have had this conversation with a bunch
Speaker 2: of people, I was always skeptical, always skeptical, but we're
Speaker 2: seeing at this point whereas well, Actually to Wala and
Speaker 2: I know you remember this, I had a big problem
Speaker 2: with believing whatever the polls were saying, especially in Iowa.
Speaker 2: I was saying, like, you know, they had this outlier
Speaker 2: poll that she might win Iowa said, M, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think so. And also these exit polls.
Speaker 2: You know, it was like, Mmm, I don't know if
Speaker 2: people are telling the truth. And I think it is
Speaker 2: boring itself out that people were saying one thing as
Speaker 2: far as Polly not necessarily that the pollsters got it wrong.
Speaker 2: I think they took the data that they had and
Speaker 2: tried to make sense of it, and it said that
Speaker 2: the race was tight, but that was based on what
Speaker 2: people were telling polsters, Whereas I think it's more evident
Speaker 2: that people were telling polsters what they thought polsters wanted
Speaker 2: to hear.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, we are seeing right now that anyone who thought,
Speaker 5: anyone who believed that Trump had gone too far and
Speaker 5: there's no way he could win. He said too much,
Speaker 5: done too much, look at him, this, that and the other.
Speaker 5: We heard you. We heard you loud and clear, and
Speaker 5: I know many of you believed that it was impossible.
Speaker 5: You're forgetting last election, he lost by just under one
Speaker 5: hundred thousand votes. That means half of the people in
Speaker 5: this country voted for him. Right now, what we're seeing
Speaker 5: is every single person who voted for him last time
Speaker 5: coming out again, and then some those who are all
Speaker 5: hype in the streets over Kamala. I'm with her, I
Speaker 5: get it. Unfortunately, not enough of you were with her.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry. Well, math is math.
Speaker 2: It comes down to it where people said that or
Speaker 2: believed that former President Trump had reached his ceiling, and
Speaker 2: maybe that was true. Maybe he did reach his ceiling,
Speaker 2: and maybe Kamala Harris did have a higher ceiling, but
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris on this night did not meet her ceiling
Speaker 2: or what was thought to be her ceiling.
Speaker 5: Well, it's if you look at it like this. These
Speaker 5: numbers for Trump, I believe are comparable to his numbers
Speaker 5: for the last election. Unfortunately, numbers are not Joe Biden.
Speaker 5: They are just under where Joe Biden was. And you
Speaker 5: pointed this out on I believe it was Facebook where
Speaker 5: she is trailing under right under where Joe Biden was
Speaker 5: in every one of the battleground states. That math was
Speaker 5: not going to lead her to victory. Maybe she started
Speaker 5: too late in the race. Who knows what the reasons are,
Speaker 5: But when it comes down to people getting up and voting,
Speaker 5: I know there's still some ballots still being counted, but
Speaker 5: it's too little, too late when you are calling these
Speaker 5: major battleground states.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: To her credit and I mean this to her credit,
Speaker 2: given the circumstances of being put in a race one
Speaker 2: hundred days before the election, she did far better than
Speaker 2: I think anyone did. Because if you remember, we were
Speaker 2: trying to get her on the show back in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: and she was ducking us and refused to come on.
Speaker 2: And I didn't think that she was ready in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: and so the nation took a different look at her
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. As far as fundraising, as far
Speaker 2: as excitement, as far as voter enthusiasm, it was far
Speaker 2: better than.
Speaker 3: Whatever Joe Biden was ever going to lead to.
Speaker 2: I don't believe Joe Biden would have performed even this well, well,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: I absolutely don't want anyone to walk away.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 5: Partisan politic politics aside, I know we vote for who
Speaker 5: we want to vote for, we vote for who we like.
Speaker 5: I hope no one walks away from this election thinking
Speaker 5: that she did bad. She did not win, but she
Speaker 5: did not do bad.
Speaker 3: She is literally.
Speaker 5: Still just just a few numbers short, just a few
Speaker 5: stayed short.
Speaker 3: When it comes to voting. This is a great show.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: She will probably finish with more Electoral College votes than
Speaker 2: Donald Trump did in twenty twenty. That part the math
Speaker 2: is the math, and it just is not turning out
Speaker 2: in favor of Kamala Harris or the Democrats tonight. But
Speaker 2: she will, if I remember correctly, I think Donald Trump
Speaker 2: had two hundred and thirty two in twenty twenty, and
Speaker 2: according to Fox New she's sitting at two hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty six.
Speaker 3: She'll probably win at least two or three more states.
Speaker 2: So it's in an electoral college sense, it's not a blowout.
Speaker 2: It's not like that Donald Trump will have what they
Speaker 2: call that mandate. She did better than what Donald Trump
Speaker 2: did for you years ago, but not good enough in
Speaker 2: the same way that Donald Trump did not do good
Speaker 2: enough four years ago.
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Speaker 2: Fox News has called the state of Wisconsin for Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: and with that, they are projecting that Donald Trump will
Speaker 2: be the forty seventh president of the United States. And
Speaker 2: I'll say the the acknowledgement is making its way through
Speaker 2: Trump headquarters and they're beginning to celebrate. We're told that
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is supposed to take the stage momentarily. We
Speaker 2: don't know exactly when that's going to be. We'll stay
Speaker 2: with you until he does take the stage, and then
Speaker 2: we could turn it over to him. I think that
Speaker 2: the Democrats obviously have some soul searching to do, and
Speaker 2: I can say, just personally, this is just me personally.
Speaker 2: I was disappointed that the Vice President Kamala Harris did
Speaker 2: not address her supporters tonight. I think as a matter
Speaker 2: of course, you owe your supporters that they showed up,
Speaker 2: they voted for you, they came out to celebrate you,
Speaker 2: and even though it may not have turned out your way,
Speaker 2: I think you have a duty to acknowledge them and
Speaker 2: address the wider country as far as the moment that
Speaker 2: even though you may have come up short or you
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily reach your goal, at least the people right
Speaker 2: there and the supporters who have ridden with you for
Speaker 2: the past one hundred days, I think they deserve to
Speaker 2: hear from Kamala Harris. That was a mistake, and hopefully
Speaker 2: she'll learn from that and we'll hear from her tomorrow.
Speaker 2: But I think she owed it to her supporters to
Speaker 2: address everyone and the nation tonight, but we're not going
Speaker 2: to hear from her. According to Cedric Richmond of her campaign,
Speaker 2: and we're still watching the Trump headquarters, We're waiting for
Speaker 2: former President Trump to come out and I.
Speaker 3: Would say addressed the nation.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's going to address the people in the room,
Speaker 2: but I'm quite sure he's going to address the nation
Speaker 2: as well. I can say that we still don't know
Speaker 2: about what's going to happen in the House, and we
Speaker 2: may not know until tomorrow or maybe even in the
Speaker 2: coming days, depending on what happens in California, but we
Speaker 2: do know the Republicans will control the Oval Office and
Speaker 2: the Senate. So if you're a supporter of President Trump,
Speaker 2: he's already in a very good position to be able
Speaker 2: to affect his agenda, at least in terms of his appointees,
Speaker 2: at least in terms of how he may want to
Speaker 2: get the ball rolling on his legislative agenda, appointment of
Speaker 2: his attorney general, appointment of his cabinet, appointment of federal judges.
Speaker 2: There will not be any Democratic opposition, and to that,
Speaker 2: with exception of the Senate filibuster, and that just delays
Speaker 2: the inevitable. But this is where we are. This is
Speaker 2: what it's going to be in twenty twenty five. Donald
Speaker 2: Trump will be the next president of the United States.
Speaker 2: And with that you can address the elephant in the room.
Speaker 2: His federal cases will probably disappear. Jack Smith his federal
Speaker 2: cases the January sixth, that will disappear, the state cases
Speaker 2: as far as Georgia, that may continue, but it was
Speaker 2: not on track that it was going to come to
Speaker 2: fruition because of all the problems with Fannie willis the
Speaker 2: New York case, the civil case that remains to be
Speaker 2: seen as far as how much money that he'll have
Speaker 2: to pay. The thirty four felonies, the state criminal case,
Speaker 2: he will still be sentenced for that. I don't know
Speaker 2: how that's going to be impacted, if only because he
Speaker 2: may be considered a sitting president by the time. I
Speaker 2: don't know when the sentence was supposed to take place,
Speaker 2: so that is unclear.
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure about that.
Speaker 2: But he's still that's not something that he can pardon
Speaker 2: himself for because that's those are state charges, not federal charges.
Speaker 2: But the but the federal cases, we can assume that
Speaker 2: they're they're gone.
Speaker 3: At this point.
Speaker 2: We're still waiting to see if former President Trump, Donald
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is going to be coming out to the
Speaker 2: stage or I should say, when he's going to be
Speaker 2: coming out and addressing his supporters and also the nation.
Speaker 2: You know, we're always say how we're living through history.
Speaker 2: This is one of those moments. It's kind of amazing,
Speaker 2: it's kind of amazing, if only because given the turmoil
Speaker 2: of the Trump campaign, given the turmoil in America, he
Speaker 2: has triumphed once again and you can't take it away
Speaker 2: from him. There's other state races, excuse me, senate races
Speaker 2: which are coming in that we're waiting to see. You
Speaker 2: may have heard my conversation with Mike Dbuski of ABC News.
Speaker 2: We're watching Pennsylvania whereas Senator Bob Casey, the Democratic incumbent,
Speaker 2: is trailing. I mentioned that because if Bob Casey does
Speaker 2: go on to lose, that would give the Republicans another
Speaker 2: seat in the Senate and make it even more easy
Speaker 2: for Donald Trump to enact his legislative agenda with even
Speaker 2: a stronger majority in the Republican now Republican Senate. If
Speaker 2: he were to able to get the House as well,
Speaker 2: he would in effect control all the levers of government
Speaker 2: when you count the Supreme Court with the Conservative majority,
Speaker 2: and it's rare that you would have a president who
Speaker 2: would have the House, the Senate, and such a strong
Speaker 2: majority on the Supreme Court. But that's all depended upon
Speaker 2: whether the Republicans take the House as well. And if
Speaker 2: you're just tuning in, Fox News called the state of
Speaker 2: Wisconsin for Donald Trump, and with that, Donald Trump is
Speaker 2: projected as being the winner and the next president of
Speaker 2: the United States.
Speaker 3: That's Fox News. CNN is not there yet.
Speaker 2: They're still showing the electoral map is Trump two forty
Speaker 2: six and Kamala Harris won eighty seven. But I think
Speaker 2: it's a fate of complete at this point. It's a
Speaker 2: foregone conclusion that it's just a matter of time before
Speaker 2: the other networks will catch up to Fox in that regard. Now,
Speaker 2: there's still ballots which have to be reported and tabulated
Speaker 2: in states like Pennsylvania, but as far as the path goes,
Speaker 2: there's no path for Kamala Harris to become president at
Speaker 2: this point. And we're going to keep it right here.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Hey a second, we're going to talk
Speaker 2: across the border? Are we going to keep it right here?
Speaker 2: Are we going to go to the hour news break?
Speaker 2: We're going to newsbreak. But if he starts talking, we'll
Speaker 2: just jump right into it, all right, Vian, That's what
Speaker 2: we'll do. It's a KFI election desk. I'm mo Kelly.
Speaker 2: If you're just tuning in. Donald Trump has been projected
Speaker 2: as the forty seventh president of the United States by
Speaker 2: Fox News. No other networks are projecting that as of yet,
Speaker 2: but that's where all of this is headed. KFI AM
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Speaker 2: And still former President Trump has not come into the room.
Speaker 3: He's not approached the stage.
Speaker 2: We are waiting for him to approach and address his supporters.
Speaker 2: I suspect that he has plenty to say. I'm quite
Speaker 2: sure he has some scores that he'll want to settle
Speaker 2: on the stage. He will lay out I'm guessing don't
Speaker 2: know this. I'm he'll lay out what his next four
Speaker 2: years may be like, and maybe some people that he
Speaker 2: wants to bring with him. He's made overtures that Elon
Speaker 2: Musk will be part of his cabinet. He has said
Speaker 2: that Rfk Junior maybe part of his cabinet as well.
Speaker 2: We'll see if he'll follow through on that and what
Speaker 2: a new Trump administration may look like. And so, you know,
Speaker 2: all of this is going to be unclear. Maybe we'll
Speaker 2: see a softer side of Donald Trump now that he's one.
Speaker 2: I say, presumably he is one, and maybe he will
Speaker 2: not take the road that many expect him to take.
Speaker 3: We'll see, We'll see, or maybe he'll.
Speaker 2: Take it exactly in the direction that he said on
Speaker 2: the campaign trail. And we'll have to watch whether a
Speaker 2: second administration of Trump will be different from the first one.
Speaker 2: Hopefully it'll be different in which we won't have COVID
Speaker 2: or some sort of major issue to deal with. But
Speaker 2: this Trump administration is going to have to deal with what's.
Speaker 3: Going on in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: This Trump administration is going to have to deal economically
Speaker 2: with what's going on. We won't know how the stock
Speaker 2: market will respond to this. We don't know how economically
Speaker 2: the world will respond to this. There are a lot
Speaker 2: of unknowns, and we'll see what happens, and then we'll
Speaker 2: have to see how Donald Trump and his eventual administration
Speaker 2: will respond to it. Because there's nobody who's more popular
Speaker 2: than a politician the night he or she is elected.
Speaker 2: And even though Trump has a very solid base, as
Speaker 2: we've seen tonight, there are still expectations, there are still
Speaker 2: things that he's going to have to do to satisfy
Speaker 2: people who push the Democrats aside and who are unhappy
Speaker 2: with the direction of this country. And joining us on
Speaker 2: the phone right now, we're watching what is happening at
Speaker 2: the Trump headquarters, and if Donald Trump should approach the stage,
Speaker 2: we'll go right to it. But joining us right now
Speaker 2: is Loyola Law professor Jessica Levinson, also ke cou nine
Speaker 2: CBS contributor Jessica Levinson, Professor Levison.
Speaker 3: How you doing this evening.
Speaker 6: I'm so much better now that we get to talk.
Speaker 6: It's nice to be on air with you again.
Speaker 2: We were going back and forth literally the whole day
Speaker 2: in the hopes of being able to connect. You are
Speaker 2: watching all this unfold. As I've been watching this unfold,
Speaker 2: part of me is surprised. Part of me is not surprised.
Speaker 2: But for you, I don't want to take it away
Speaker 2: from you. What do you make of this moment?
Speaker 6: I think I feel both surprised and not surprised. I mean,
Speaker 6: I looked at the polls and it looked like it
Speaker 6: was going to be a coin toss. I then fell
Speaker 6: into a trap that probably a lot of your listeners do,
Speaker 6: which is I went on social media today and I
Speaker 6: probably curate my thread without even knowing it. And I
Speaker 6: saw a a bunch of Polsters who I trust, say,
Speaker 6: look at these lines and look at the early voting numbers,
Speaker 6: and this is going to be a landslide for Harris.
Speaker 6: And I thought it's not going to be a landslide.
Speaker 6: But I did think, given the midterm elections, that the
Speaker 6: Supreme Court's decision in Dobbs to overturn Rosy Wade was
Speaker 6: going to motivate a lot of women to go to
Speaker 6: the polls and vote for Kamala Harris. But what we
Speaker 6: have to remember is that we heard something and I'm
Speaker 6: sure you've been talking about this all night over and
Speaker 6: over again, which is that the economy was number one
Speaker 6: for the voters and that they felt that Trump would
Speaker 6: be better on the economy. So, I mean, I think
Speaker 6: anybody who says this came out of nowhere. I didn't
Speaker 6: see it coming at all as somebody who just wasn't
Speaker 6: looking at the poll Yeah.
Speaker 2: I never first and I said this to my listeners,
Speaker 2: I said, I take the polls with a grain of salt.
Speaker 2: I have always taken the polls with a grain of sault,
Speaker 2: if only because people I think are savvy enough, especially
Speaker 2: now in today's world, to know that they can manipu
Speaker 2: public perception by answering pole questions a certain way, sometimes inadvertently,
Speaker 2: sometimes intentionally, And the polls are reflection of the pollsters
Speaker 2: the questions which are being asked. And let's be honest,
Speaker 2: some people just outright lie. They lie because they kind
Speaker 2: of know. If it's rass music, okay, I know what
Speaker 2: they're looking for. If it's gallop, I think I know
Speaker 2: what they're looking for, and they say what they think
Speaker 2: is best for whatever their circumstances are. That's why when
Speaker 2: I saw that it was a it was going to
Speaker 2: be a close racist, I don't I don't feel that.
Speaker 3: I don't get that.
Speaker 2: And yeah, we all curate our social media a certain way,
Speaker 2: but I never and anyone who knows me personally knows
Speaker 2: that I never really bought the idea that Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: was going to be elected. My question was was there
Speaker 2: going to be a repudiation of Donald Trump which was
Speaker 2: going to impact the Senate and the House.
Speaker 3: That's what I was looking at.
Speaker 2: But as far as President look to Kamala Harris's credit,
Speaker 2: let me see, here's the question I think she ran
Speaker 2: a near perfect campaign given what she had as far
Speaker 2: as fundraising, generating excitement, what have you. And she probably
Speaker 2: did better than a Joe Biden, and her ceiling probably
Speaker 2: was higher than what people thought Donald Trump was. But evidently,
Speaker 2: you know, her floor was lower than Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Am I wrong?
Speaker 6: Well, no, I think you're not wrong. I mean, I
Speaker 6: agree with everything you said. I think this is if
Speaker 6: we're talking about repudiations, it feels like it's a repudiation
Speaker 6: of the current administration. And again, you know, I think
Speaker 6: that when it comes to the economy, perception feeds into reality,
Speaker 6: and we all know this when it comes to things
Speaker 6: like the consumer price index, that the more we feel
Speaker 6: the economy is not doing well or you know, consumer
Speaker 6: sentiment in general, that that actually has a real effect
Speaker 6: on the economy. And people felt very rationally during the
Speaker 6: period of high inflation that the economy was not doing
Speaker 6: well for them, that they were paying more for things
Speaker 6: than they used to. And I think that Donald Trump
Speaker 6: did a very good job of saying and that is
Speaker 6: the Biden administration's fault. And you know, whether or not
Speaker 6: Karmala Harris could have done anything more, I think you're
Speaker 6: right to point to the idea that maybe that's not
Speaker 6: the question here. It's not the question of should she
Speaker 6: has visited Pennsylvania one more time? It seems to me,
Speaker 6: you know, it's a very different question than the one
Speaker 6: we were asking twenty sixteen after Hillary, where I think
Speaker 6: that was not a near perfect campaign that she ran then. So, yes,
Speaker 6: it feels like I agree with everything you said about
Speaker 6: the polls. I think people tend to also not want
Speaker 6: to tell the truth that they think Upholster is going
Speaker 6: to judge them for saying, either in voting for Harris
Speaker 6: or in voting for Trump. I think people know they
Speaker 6: can manufeulate the polls. Think a lot of people don't
Speaker 6: respond to the polls. It's clearly not a representative sampling.
Speaker 6: But the polls did hold in the sense that all
Speaker 6: of these states where they were in play, it looks
Speaker 6: like happened to break for Trump, but it looked like
Speaker 6: that was possible given the polls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they were within the margin of air.
Speaker 2: You're talking about four points in most of the states
Speaker 2: in which the polling showed it it was a toss up,
Speaker 2: So to be fair, they were within the margin of air.
Speaker 2: I just think that margin can't be manipulated to a
Speaker 2: certain degree and gives people a false sense of insecurity
Speaker 2: or security.
Speaker 6: Well, I think that's right. I mean, and I think
Speaker 6: people look people in America as you know. I mean,
Speaker 6: we all live in bubbles. We live in geographic bubbles,
Speaker 6: we live in our own kind of ideological bubbles, and
Speaker 6: I think we tend to talk to and interact with
Speaker 6: people who agree with us. And so you know, it's
Speaker 6: that old joke the day after Nixon was elected, like,
Speaker 6: how could he have been elected? I don't know anybody
Speaker 6: who voted for him. Well, of course not, because we're
Speaker 6: not particularly good at talking to each other. And I
Speaker 6: don't know what to say other than I think it
Speaker 6: will be fascinating to see how our balance of power
Speaker 6: plays out in the next four years. And what I
Speaker 6: really mean is the separation of powers. Will the Senate
Speaker 6: act as any sort of pushback against a Trump administration?
Speaker 6: What will the judiciary do? I mean to me, that's
Speaker 6: fascinating because we know that there is a difference between
Speaker 6: conservative judges and judges who are reviewed as Trump loyalists.
Speaker 6: And one of the things I'll be watching is how
Speaker 6: much the judicial branch acts as kind of a safety
Speaker 6: valve against some what I would view as potential overreach.
Speaker 3: Well, you talk about that potential overreach.
Speaker 2: We know that if you're looking as a safety excuse me,
Speaker 2: if you're looking at the Senate as some sort of
Speaker 2: safety valve or some sort of bulwark against whatever Trump
Speaker 2: may do as far as his worst impulses, Well, the
Speaker 2: Republicans are going to be controlling the Senate, so less
Speaker 2: likely if at all, then right, Well.
Speaker 6: I think that's right, And I mean, all indications are
Speaker 6: that the Republican Party plans to stand united behind Trump
Speaker 6: and that there are no real plans to have an
Speaker 6: intra party fight and push back against Trump's legislative agenda.
Speaker 6: I mean, we have to see what happens in the House.
Speaker 6: I was traveling home from a studio, as you mentioned,
Speaker 6: so I don't know currently what's happening in the House.
Speaker 6: But if Republicans do control the White House, the Senate,
Speaker 6: and the House of Representatives, you can imagine that at
Speaker 6: that point the only pushback would come from potential legal challenges.
Speaker 6: And again, there are a lot of reasons to believe
Speaker 6: that those, depending on obviously the challenge that those might
Speaker 6: not be successful.
Speaker 2: What about this and this is I'm going to play
Speaker 2: the other side of the conversation. How about the idea
Speaker 2: that this is just who we are as America. This
Speaker 2: is what we've chosen, this is who we've chosen, and
Speaker 2: there's not going to be any pushback because this is
Speaker 2: what we want.
Speaker 6: Well, it's clearly what a majority of those voting in
Speaker 6: terms of translating to the electoral college want, and not
Speaker 6: being particularly articulate, just to say that it's not just
Speaker 6: a majority of those voting, it's under the electoral college.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think at this point there's a
Speaker 6: question that Trump won. And so having said that, I
Speaker 6: think there's a pretty big percentage of people for whom
Speaker 6: this is not what they want. But look for people
Speaker 6: who either voted for Trump and stayed home and supported
Speaker 6: but support him anyway. Yeah, I mean, this is clearly
Speaker 6: who we are. And I don't know that those who
Speaker 6: voted for Trump, you know, fully support all of his
Speaker 6: policies or know what all of his policies would be.
Speaker 6: And I would say that for any candidate. That's not
Speaker 6: a slam on future president Trump. That's just to say
Speaker 6: that I think he can be kind of unpredictable and
Speaker 6: so I guess what I'm saying is in terms of
Speaker 6: this is who we are. I think this is who
Speaker 6: we are in the sense that we know who he
Speaker 6: is and we re elected him. But do we know
Speaker 6: exactly what we're supporting. I think the answers no, because
Speaker 6: that's somewhat unpredictable.
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to find out in short order. Loyola
Speaker 2: Law Professor Jessica Levison, thank you so much for staying
Speaker 2: up late. I know it's been a long day for you.
Speaker 2: It's been a long day for me and all of America.
Speaker 2: We're coming to the end of this presidential election cycle
Speaker 2: one way or the other, but I appreciate you spending
Speaker 2: some time.
Speaker 3: With us this evening.
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon. It's the KFI election desk on mo Kelly.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so half of us don't like the numbers, but
Speaker 1: we're doing this election thing. Can we just get to
Speaker 1: the suing part now before Christmas?
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