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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a KFI election desk mo Kelly. We're live everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>on the iHeartRadio app. And just to give you an update,

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<v Speaker 2>the electoral map is coming into focus and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>looking good for Harris supporters. Former President Donald Trump, who's

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<v Speaker 2>on the verge of becoming President Trump again, leads Vice

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<v Speaker 2>President Harris two forty eight to two sixteen. I'm following

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News and their projections and the races that they

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<v Speaker 2>have called. Most recently, Georgia has been called for former

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump. And if you were listening, when I was

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in with Mark Thompson and Tim Conway Junior, I

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<v Speaker 2>was making the point that for each state the Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris would lose tonight that Joe Biden won in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>she would have to make that up elsewhere. Georgia, we

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<v Speaker 2>all know how important it was in determining Joe Biden's

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<v Speaker 2>victory back in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Biden took Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>Losing it tonight meant that Kamala Harris would have to

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<v Speaker 2>replace those sixteen Electoral College votes somewhere else. Earlier in

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<v Speaker 2>the evening, they said, well, it would probably have to

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<v Speaker 2>be North Carolina, which is also sixteen Electoral College votes,

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<v Speaker 2>but Donald Trump took North Carolina. At this point, without

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<v Speaker 2>getting into all the different scenarios, Kamala Harris would have

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<v Speaker 2>to take Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania just about every

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<v Speaker 2>remaining state for her to have a sniff of the presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you look at the numbers, she is trailing

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<v Speaker 2>in Wisconsin by four points, trailing in Michigan by about

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<v Speaker 2>seven points, and trailing in Pennsylvania by four points. And

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<v Speaker 2>in Pennsylvania, ninety percent of of the reported votes are

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<v Speaker 2>in Long story short, there really is not a path

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<v Speaker 2>for Kamala Harris. This is just me talking, is not

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<v Speaker 2>an official projection by anyone, but just looking at the

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<v Speaker 2>map as it is, there's real no path to victory

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<v Speaker 2>for Kamala Harris. That said, most recently, Centric Richmond of

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<v Speaker 2>the Harris campaign recently addressed supporters at the campaign headquarters

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<v Speaker 2>tonight at Howard University and inform the crowd in a

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<v Speaker 2>very solemn way that Vice President Harris would not be

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<v Speaker 2>addressing supporters tonight, but she would tomorrow. She would not

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<v Speaker 2>make any statement tonight, either concession or acknowledgment anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Any statement or speech would be tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you know anything about politics, you understand why

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<v Speaker 2>that is. There are some states conceivably where they would

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<v Speaker 2>finish within the margin of a mandatory automatic recount, which could,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe prolong the process if like, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>if they were to finish within one percentage point of

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<v Speaker 2>each other in Pennsylvania, there'll be a mandatory recount and

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<v Speaker 2>that would prolong the process, and then you'd have Vice

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<v Speaker 2>President Harris address the specifics of that moment in that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And it won't be tonight, It'll probably be tomorrow. I

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<v Speaker 2>have not seen well actually no CNN is reporting that

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<v Speaker 2>former President Trump is going to address supporters tonight. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know exactly when, but they're saying it is soon

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<v Speaker 2>and if it should be in the next forty five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes or so, we'll bring that to live here on

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<v Speaker 2>KFI AM six forty. And beyond the presidential race, if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the Senate map, it's pretty much locked

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<v Speaker 2>in that the Republicans will have control of the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>And that means that if we are talking about a

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<v Speaker 2>forty seventh President Trump, he will be able to confirm,

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<v Speaker 2>at least on a party line vote, all of his appointees,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say his cabinet, let's say federal judges, any Supreme

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<v Speaker 2>Court justices, if there's an opening, any of his cabinet secretaries,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that will be They will be able to

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<v Speaker 2>confirm without any opposition from the Democrats whatsoever. Even if

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<v Speaker 2>it were a close vote, they would be presumably a

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<v Speaker 2>Vice President jd. Vance, who would be the tie breaking vote,

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<v Speaker 2>So the Democrats would not have any leverage. There the

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<v Speaker 2>remaining hope for Democrats, and that is not it's unclear

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<v Speaker 2>as far as what's going to happen is in the

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<v Speaker 2>House of Representatives. In the House of Representatives, obviously you

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<v Speaker 2>control the power of the purse, You control a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of bills that would get to the floor, in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>all the bills, and you would have the Speaker of

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<v Speaker 2>the House. Right now, the Republicans lead the Democrats one

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three to one fifty three. But the Democrats have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of races that they stand to win on

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<v Speaker 2>the West Coast where they're much more left leaning.

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<v Speaker 3>That gap is going to close.

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<v Speaker 2>They need a total of two hundred and eighteen to

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<v Speaker 2>control the House, and we may not know who wins

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<v Speaker 2>the House, possibly for a number of weeks, that it

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<v Speaker 2>may come down to California. We were talking earlier to

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<v Speaker 2>Corbyn Carson talking about some of the races which are

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<v Speaker 2>hotly contested in Orange County, surprisingly enough or maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>so surprisingly, and those races may directly impact who has

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<v Speaker 2>control of the House. And if you have control of

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<v Speaker 2>the House, you get determined the Speaker of the House,

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<v Speaker 2>and you would be able to provide some resistance if

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<v Speaker 2>you are a Democrat and would want to provide resistance

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<v Speaker 2>against an eventual president Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's where it all stands right about now.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we come back next segment, I'll be joined

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<v Speaker 2>by Mike Dubuski, who will be talking to voters in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just talking about that how presently former President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is up about four points and that could be

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<v Speaker 2>the official end of this presidential race if Pennsylvania is

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<v Speaker 2>put in the column of Donald Trump. So we'll check

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<v Speaker 2>in with Mike Debusky of ABC News. Next, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>KFI Election Desk on mo Kelly. We're live everywhere on

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>KFI Election Desks. I'm o Kelly. We're live everywhere on

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<v Speaker 2>the iHeartRadio app. And joining me right now is Mike Debusky,

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<v Speaker 2>ABC News reporter and Mike is on scene in Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 2>getting the temperature and the lay of the land.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike, how you doing this evening or morning?

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<v Speaker 4>D Yeah, good morning, I think is the appropriate thing

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<v Speaker 4>to say here. Good evening to you. The latest from

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<v Speaker 4>Pennsylvania is that we have about ninety three percent of

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<v Speaker 4>the vote in in this crucial swing state, nineteen electoral

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<v Speaker 4>votes up for grabs here in Pennsylvania, and Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 4>leads by about three percentage points, at a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>more than a two hundred thousand vote margin. Here in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 4>Right now, I'm sitting in Bucks County, in Newtown, Bucks County.

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<v Speaker 4>District just north of Philadelphia, County, just north of Philadelphia,

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<v Speaker 4>and it is a county that has gone blue since

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<v Speaker 4>the late eighties. You have to go back to the

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<v Speaker 4>George H. W. Bush Michael Dukakis election to find the

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<v Speaker 4>last time that this particular county went to the Republicans.

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<v Speaker 4>But right now, though, I can tell you it is

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<v Speaker 4>a Donald Trump held election with sixty nine percent of

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<v Speaker 4>the vote in Donald Trump has one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 4>one thousand votes just over that actually, and Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 4>has one hundred and thirty seven thousand votes approximately, holding

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<v Speaker 4>a slight lead here in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, again a

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<v Speaker 4>crucial county in a crucial state.

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<v Speaker 2>As it stands, it seems like if it holds, it

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<v Speaker 2>numerically holds, this would be outside the margin of point

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<v Speaker 2>five percent, which would before a mandate to recount.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that correct, right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? And recount rules here in Pennsylvania are pretty interesting

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<v Speaker 4>to pay attention to. So automatic recounts are triggered if

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<v Speaker 4>a margin is less than are equal to zero point

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<v Speaker 4>five percent of the total vote. So that is certainly

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<v Speaker 4>in play as the remaining votes are count are counted.

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<v Speaker 4>I should say, I'm talking with elections officials here and

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<v Speaker 4>in these counties where we are still waiting on a

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<v Speaker 4>pretty substantial amount of the vote to come in. They're

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<v Speaker 4>saying there's a lot of votes left to be counted.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not having that conversation yet. And of course, if

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<v Speaker 4>you think back to four years ago, we were waiting

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<v Speaker 4>on Pennsylvania for a little while five days. As a

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<v Speaker 4>matter of fact, it took for Pennsylvania to be called

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<v Speaker 4>for President Biden at the time, and that is something

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<v Speaker 4>that elections officials here have been trying to tamp down on.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't want to repeat of twenty twenty because that

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<v Speaker 4>time frame, that five day period, allowed conspiracies to flourish

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<v Speaker 4>and then for a general deterioration in trust in the

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<v Speaker 4>system of counting votes here in the state of Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 4>So elections officials have been saying that they have you know,

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<v Speaker 4>trained their you know, vote talliers in a much more

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<v Speaker 4>robust way. They have better machines and more machines they

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<v Speaker 4>can do this, and they expect this process to go

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<v Speaker 4>a lot more quickly than it did four years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>What that means on the ground, it's still sort of unclear.

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<v Speaker 4>An election official told me yesterday that we could be

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<v Speaker 4>you know, getting a final total around midday tomorrow. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know, things change in a day, and that's certainly

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<v Speaker 4>the case here in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of things changing from four years ago, please correct,

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<v Speaker 2>please correct me if I have this wrong. Is it

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<v Speaker 2>now that Pennsylvania was allowed to process and start counting

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<v Speaker 2>the mail in ballots earlier than four years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, so the absentee ballots are counted at the same time,

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<v Speaker 4>that was seven am on this morning, or i should say,

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<v Speaker 4>yesterday morning here in Pennsylvania. That it does extend the

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<v Speaker 4>amount of time that it takes to tabulate those absentee balance.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a big part of the REA and why we

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<v Speaker 4>weigh around oftentimes for votes in Pennsylvania. There has been

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<v Speaker 4>a number of lawsuits filed around mail in ballots. As

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<v Speaker 4>of right now, undated ballots are not going to be counted. However,

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<v Speaker 4>voters in this state had until eight pm or depending

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<v Speaker 4>on your county, potentially as late as ten PM to

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<v Speaker 4>submit a provisional ballot in case you've mailed in your

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<v Speaker 4>ballot and forgot to write the date on it. That also,

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<v Speaker 4>all this extra stuff, these sort of edge cases, is

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<v Speaker 4>going to prolong the amount of time it takes for

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<v Speaker 4>vote talliers to make sure that the vote is accurate

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<v Speaker 4>and processed correctly. Means we might be sitting here for

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<v Speaker 4>the next couple days or so.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to the Internet or blame the Internet, everyone kind

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<v Speaker 2>of knows what is happening around the country. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that you have been talking to Pennsylvania voters over the

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<v Speaker 2>course of the day into the evening. What has been

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<v Speaker 2>the general feeling about, not necessarily just what's happening in Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 2>but according to Pennsylvania voters, what are they thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>the larger picture.

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<v Speaker 4>So according to exit polls that we've put together here

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<v Speaker 4>at ABC News, there are four main issues that voters

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<v Speaker 4>voted on this election cycle. This is across the country,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's absolutely reflected here in Pennsylvania. Number one, protecting democracy.

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<v Speaker 4>That was an interesting issue to be seen at the

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<v Speaker 4>top of this list. Under that the economy, which we're

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<v Speaker 4>seeing show up in house races across Pennsylvania or down

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<v Speaker 4>ballot races i should say, across Pennsylvania and across the

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<v Speaker 4>country as well. Below that, abortion and immigration. And I'll

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<v Speaker 4>just say anecdotally and talking to voters of the last

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<v Speaker 4>day or so, you know, we saw Vice President Kamala

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<v Speaker 4>Harris hold that big rally in pencil in Philadelphia on

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<v Speaker 4>the steps of the Philadelphia Art Museum. Talking to voters

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<v Speaker 4>going into that event, you could not find a single

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<v Speaker 4>person who did not list abortion and women's rights issues.

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<v Speaker 4>As the top reason they were voting this election day.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the thing they had in their minds as

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<v Speaker 4>they cast their ballots. And similarly, on the other side

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<v Speaker 4>am right now, less than a ten minute drive from

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<v Speaker 4>where I am right now, JD. Vance held a rally

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<v Speaker 4>at an athletic club here in town, and you're talking

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<v Speaker 4>to voters going into that event. All of them listed

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<v Speaker 4>the economy. They were concerned about wages, they were concerned

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<v Speaker 4>about inflation, and generally unhappy with the economic policies of

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<v Speaker 4>the Biden administration. Saw Democrats over the past several years tout,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, major economic gains that really didn't show up

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<v Speaker 4>for a lot of people, at least here in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what they've been saying that, you know, this sort

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<v Speaker 4>of disperture between what they're hearing from the top estralons

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<v Speaker 4>of government what they're actually seeing on the ground. Just

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<v Speaker 4>they couldn't square that circle.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something that I personally want to know, and we

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<v Speaker 2>may not know for a number of days until we

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<v Speaker 2>get all the exit data. But there's a question of

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<v Speaker 2>whether it was the issue that animated voters or whether

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<v Speaker 2>it was the candidate, and the only constant between twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty and twenty twenty four is Donald Trump. And

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<v Speaker 2>if we look at Kamala Harris, she has been running

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<v Speaker 2>behind Joe Biden just about across the country, from what

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<v Speaker 2>that she was losing. Donald Trump is performing better in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four than he did in twenty twenty. Is

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<v Speaker 2>there anything that we can take away from that in

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<v Speaker 2>the sense of was it something wrong air quotes with

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong issues or both right?

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<v Speaker 4>And you're absolutely right to the site the comparison between

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<v Speaker 4>how Kamala Harris is being received by voters from what

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<v Speaker 4>we understand versus both Joe Biden and Donald Trump, we're seeing,

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<v Speaker 4>really Kamala Harris only outperformed Joe Biden's twenty twenty performance

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<v Speaker 4>in two main sectors. One is women and the other

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<v Speaker 4>is college educated voters. And that's kind of the only

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<v Speaker 4>two areas in the electorate where she is outperforming her predecessor.

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<v Speaker 4>And that is an especially star comparison. When we consider

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<v Speaker 4>the talk about Kamala Harris just mere months ago that

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<v Speaker 4>she was the more energetic can candidate, that Democrats had

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<v Speaker 4>this sort of momentum and energy around them. They had

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<v Speaker 4>been touting the word weird to describe their opponents, and

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<v Speaker 4>they had memes and all these sorts of things that

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<v Speaker 4>were floating around the campaign, sort of indicating a certain

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<v Speaker 4>youthful energy and momentum to the campaign. In the months since,

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<v Speaker 4>we've seen a shift in that.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 4>We've seen the Harris campaign try to cater to median

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<v Speaker 4>voters a little bit more. We've seen Republican endorsements be

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<v Speaker 4>touted by the Harris campaign. Yeah, that is a different

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<v Speaker 4>sort of strategy from the initial part of the campaign

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<v Speaker 4>that we first saw kind of take off in mid summer.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, maybe that is part of the reason

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<v Speaker 4>that resonated with voters or that showed up with voters.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really unclear. Again, a lot of the vote tally

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<v Speaker 4>left to be counted here in some crucial areas in Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, here in Bucks County, as I said, about

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<v Speaker 4>sixty nine percent of the vote is in, so we

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<v Speaker 4>got a good chunk of that left to come. I

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<v Speaker 4>was texting with a local elections official here just to

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<v Speaker 4>He may have very well gone to bed, which you know,

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<v Speaker 4>reasonable a little jealous at this point, but you know

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<v Speaker 4>that is kind of the nature of the game here

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<v Speaker 4>in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Debuski, ABC News reporter joins me and Mike before

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<v Speaker 2>I let you go, one more question. We know that

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<v Speaker 2>the Republicans are going to be taking control of the

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<v Speaker 2>looks like is going to be the Democratic incumbent, Bob

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<v Speaker 2>Casey losing in Pennsylvania if the results hold true. Is

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<v Speaker 2>there anything that we can take from that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, so that is a huge race here. Now. It

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<v Speaker 4>is worth mentioning that as of right now, ABC News

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<v Speaker 4>has not projected a winner in the Pennsylvania Senate race.

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<v Speaker 4>But if I can just pull up the numbers here

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<v Speaker 4>and give you the latest, Dave McCormick, a former hedge

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<v Speaker 4>fund manager, is leading in that crucial Senate race against

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<v Speaker 4>Bob Casey, the incumbent Democrat who has held this position

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<v Speaker 4>since two thousand and six, by a margin of two

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<v Speaker 4>percentage points just about one hundred thousand votes. To separate

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<v Speaker 4>these two candidates. There is ninety two percent of the

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<v Speaker 4>vote reporting in that particular race. This is a real

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<v Speaker 4>big upset. Again, Bob Casey has held this Senate seat

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<v Speaker 4>for a long time, and we've actually seen Dave McCormick

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<v Speaker 4>take a run at the Senate seat in Pennsylvania before

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<v Speaker 4>and fail. Back in twenty twenty two, he lost the

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<v Speaker 4>Republican primary to doctor Oz, who then of course went

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<v Speaker 4>on to lose the race to Democrat John Fetterman here

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<v Speaker 4>in Pennsylvania. Five point thirty eight analysis that this particular

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<v Speaker 4>race leaned Democratic clearly does not seem like that shakedown

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<v Speaker 4>in the actual vote tallies here. Still a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>of the vote left to be tallied, but again it's

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<v Speaker 4>not looking good for Democrats here in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike, after we get off the phone, do you get

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<v Speaker 3>to go to sleep? Maybe soon.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm not gonna in a similar way, We're not

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<v Speaker 4>going to make a projection.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Deboski, ABC News reporter, Thank you Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>So much for coming on tonight, of course, but take it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the KFI election desk. I'm mo Kelly. We're not

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<v Speaker 2>done yet. We have more information on the local races, propositions,

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<v Speaker 2>the measures, and also the national races and what is

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<v Speaker 2>shaping up to be possibly a return to the White

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<v Speaker 2>House by former President Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 3>It's a CAFI election Desk. I'm Okelly.

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<v Speaker 2>We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app or monitoring Trump

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<v Speaker 2>Headquarters as the former president is about to address his

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to give you a few anecdotes while

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<v Speaker 2>we're waiting, and if you take a step back, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you take the emotion out of it, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's fair to say that the Democrats did the best

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<v Speaker 2>with what they had. What I mean by that is,

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<v Speaker 2>can we all agree that Joe Biden probably loses no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what, and if it's not going to be Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as the nominee, it was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>most likely Kamala Harris. There was no one else out there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there were plenty of people who probably wanted to be nominee.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris, and whether you like her or loathe her,

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<v Speaker 2>how she ran her campaign, it was about as good

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<v Speaker 2>as I think that she could do in one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>days as far as generating an excitement within the Democratic Party,

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<v Speaker 2>galvanizing people around her, turning out the vote.

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<v Speaker 3>It just doesn't seem to be that it was enough.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a real question of whether it was possible,

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<v Speaker 2>given what we're seeing tonight, whether it was possible for

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<v Speaker 2>her to win at all. And if you asked me

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<v Speaker 2>personally or privately have had this conversation with a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of people, I was always skeptical, always skeptical, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing at this point whereas well, Actually to Wala and

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<v Speaker 2>I know you remember this, I had a big problem

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<v Speaker 2>with believing whatever the polls were saying, especially in Iowa.

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<v Speaker 2>I was saying, like, you know, they had this outlier

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<v Speaker 2>poll that she might win Iowa said, M, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't think so. And also these exit polls.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was like, Mmm, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>people are telling the truth. And I think it is

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<v Speaker 2>boring itself out that people were saying one thing as

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<v Speaker 2>far as Polly not necessarily that the pollsters got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they took the data that they had and

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<v Speaker 2>tried to make sense of it, and it said that

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<v Speaker 2>the race was tight, but that was based on what

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<v Speaker 2>people were telling polsters, Whereas I think it's more evident

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<v Speaker 2>that people were telling polsters what they thought polsters wanted

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely absolutely.

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<v Speaker 5>Unfortunately, we are seeing right now that anyone who thought,

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<v Speaker 5>anyone who believed that Trump had gone too far and

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<v Speaker 5>there's no way he could win. He said too much,

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<v Speaker 5>done too much, look at him, this, that and the other.

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<v Speaker 5>We heard you. We heard you loud and clear, and

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<v Speaker 5>I know many of you believed that it was impossible.

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<v Speaker 5>You're forgetting last election, he lost by just under one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred thousand votes. That means half of the people in

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<v Speaker 5>this country voted for him. Right now, what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 5>is every single person who voted for him last time

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<v Speaker 5>coming out again, and then some those who are all

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<v Speaker 5>hype in the streets over Kamala. I'm with her, I

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<v Speaker 5>get it. Unfortunately, not enough of you were with her.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry. Well, math is math.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes down to it where people said that or

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<v Speaker 2>believed that former President Trump had reached his ceiling, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that was true. Maybe he did reach his ceiling,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe Kamala Harris did have a higher ceiling, but

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris on this night did not meet her ceiling

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's if you look at it like this. These

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<v Speaker 5>numbers for Trump, I believe are comparable to his numbers

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<v Speaker 5>for the last election. Unfortunately, numbers are not Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 5>They are just under where Joe Biden was. And you

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<v Speaker 5>pointed this out on I believe it was Facebook where

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<v Speaker 5>she is trailing under right under where Joe Biden was

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<v Speaker 5>in every one of the battleground states. That math was

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<v Speaker 5>not going to lead her to victory. Maybe she started

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<v Speaker 5>too late in the race. Who knows what the reasons are,

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<v Speaker 5>But when it comes down to people getting up and voting,

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<v Speaker 5>it's too little, too late when you are calling these

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>To her credit and I mean this to her credit,

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<v Speaker 2>I think anyone did. Because if you remember, we were

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four. As far as fundraising, as far

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever Joe Biden was ever going to lead to.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe Joe Biden would have performed even this well, well,

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<v Speaker 5>I absolutely don't want anyone to walk away.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 5>Partisan politic politics aside, I know we vote for who

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<v Speaker 5>we want to vote for, we vote for who we like.

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<v Speaker 5>I hope no one walks away from this election thinking

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<v Speaker 5>that she did bad. She did not win, but she

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<v Speaker 5>did not do bad.

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<v Speaker 3>She is literally.

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<v Speaker 5>Still just just a few numbers short, just a few

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<v Speaker 3>When it comes to voting. This is a great show.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>She will probably finish with more Electoral College votes than

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump did in twenty twenty. That part the math

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<v Speaker 2>in favor of Kamala Harris or the Democrats tonight. But

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<v Speaker 2>she will, if I remember correctly, I think Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>had two hundred and thirty two in twenty twenty, and

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<v Speaker 2>according to Fox New she's sitting at two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>She'll probably win at least two or three more states.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's in an electoral college sense, it's not a blowout.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like that Donald Trump will have what they

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<v Speaker 2>call that mandate. She did better than what Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>did for you years ago, but not good enough in

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<v Speaker 2>the same way that Donald Trump did not do good

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<v Speaker 2>enough four years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty and.

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News has called the state of Wisconsin for Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>and with that, they are projecting that Donald Trump will

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<v Speaker 2>be the forty seventh president of the United States. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say the the acknowledgement is making its way through

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<v Speaker 2>Trump headquarters and they're beginning to celebrate. We're told that

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is supposed to take the stage momentarily. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know exactly when that's going to be. We'll stay

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<v Speaker 2>with you until he does take the stage, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we could turn it over to him. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats obviously have some soul searching to do, and

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<v Speaker 2>I can say, just personally, this is just me personally.

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<v Speaker 2>I was disappointed that the Vice President Kamala Harris did

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<v Speaker 2>not address her supporters tonight. I think as a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of course, you owe your supporters that they showed up,

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<v Speaker 2>they voted for you, they came out to celebrate you,

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<v Speaker 2>and even though it may not have turned out your way,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you have a duty to acknowledge them and

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<v Speaker 2>address the wider country as far as the moment that

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<v Speaker 2>even though you may have come up short or you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't necessarily reach your goal, at least the people right

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<v Speaker 2>there and the supporters who have ridden with you for

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<v Speaker 2>the past one hundred days, I think they deserve to

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<v Speaker 2>hear from Kamala Harris. That was a mistake, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>she'll learn from that and we'll hear from her tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think she owed it to her supporters to

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<v Speaker 2>address everyone and the nation tonight, but we're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from her. According to Cedric Richmond of her campaign,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're still watching the Trump headquarters, We're waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>former President Trump to come out and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Would say addressed the nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's going to address the people in the room,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm quite sure he's going to address the nation

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I can say that we still don't know

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<v Speaker 2>about what's going to happen in the House, and we

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<v Speaker 2>may not know until tomorrow or maybe even in the

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<v Speaker 2>coming days, depending on what happens in California, but we

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<v Speaker 2>do know the Republicans will control the Oval Office and

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate. So if you're a supporter of President Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>he's already in a very good position to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to affect his agenda, at least in terms of his appointees,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in terms of how he may want to

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<v Speaker 2>get the ball rolling on his legislative agenda, appointment of

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<v Speaker 2>his attorney general, appointment of his cabinet, appointment of federal judges.

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<v Speaker 2>There will not be any Democratic opposition, and to that,

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<v Speaker 2>with exception of the Senate filibuster, and that just delays

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<v Speaker 2>the inevitable. But this is where we are. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what it's going to be in twenty twenty five. Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump will be the next president of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And with that you can address the elephant in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>His federal cases will probably disappear. Jack Smith his federal

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<v Speaker 2>cases the January sixth, that will disappear, the state cases

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<v Speaker 2>as far as Georgia, that may continue, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>not on track that it was going to come to

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<v Speaker 2>fruition because of all the problems with Fannie willis the

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<v Speaker 2>New York case, the civil case that remains to be

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<v Speaker 2>seen as far as how much money that he'll have

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<v Speaker 2>to pay. The thirty four felonies, the state criminal case,

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<v Speaker 2>he will still be sentenced for that. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how that's going to be impacted, if only because he

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<v Speaker 2>may be considered a sitting president by the time. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know when the sentence was supposed to take place,

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<v Speaker 2>so that is unclear.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not so sure about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's still that's not something that he can pardon

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<v Speaker 2>himself for because that's those are state charges, not federal charges.

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<v Speaker 2>But the but the federal cases, we can assume that

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're gone.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point.

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<v Speaker 2>We're still waiting to see if former President Trump, Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is going to be coming out to the

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<v Speaker 2>stage or I should say, when he's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>coming out and addressing his supporters and also the nation.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're always say how we're living through history.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of those moments. It's kind of amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of amazing, if only because given the turmoil

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<v Speaker 2>of the Trump campaign, given the turmoil in America, he

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<v Speaker 2>has triumphed once again and you can't take it away

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<v Speaker 2>from him. There's other state races, excuse me, senate races

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<v Speaker 2>which are coming in that we're waiting to see. You

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<v Speaker 2>may have heard my conversation with Mike Dbuski of ABC News.

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<v Speaker 2>We're watching Pennsylvania whereas Senator Bob Casey, the Democratic incumbent,

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<v Speaker 2>is trailing. I mentioned that because if Bob Casey does

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<v Speaker 2>go on to lose, that would give the Republicans another

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<v Speaker 2>seat in the Senate and make it even more easy

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<v Speaker 2>for Donald Trump to enact his legislative agenda with even

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<v Speaker 2>a stronger majority in the Republican now Republican Senate. If

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<v Speaker 2>he were to able to get the House as well,

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<v Speaker 2>he would in effect control all the levers of government

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<v Speaker 2>when you count the Supreme Court with the Conservative majority,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's rare that you would have a president who

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<v Speaker 2>would have the House, the Senate, and such a strong

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<v Speaker 2>majority on the Supreme Court. But that's all depended upon

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<v Speaker 2>whether the Republicans take the House as well. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you're just tuning in, Fox News called the state of

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin for Donald Trump, and with that, Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>projected as being the winner and the next president of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Fox News. CNN is not there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>They're still showing the electoral map is Trump two forty

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<v Speaker 2>six and Kamala Harris won eighty seven. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a fate of complete at this point. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>foregone conclusion that it's just a matter of time before

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<v Speaker 2>the other networks will catch up to Fox in that regard. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>there's still ballots which have to be reported and tabulated

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<v Speaker 2>in states like Pennsylvania, but as far as the path goes,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no path for Kamala Harris to become president at

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<v Speaker 2>this point. And we're going to keep it right here.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Hey a second, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>across the border? Are we going to keep it right here?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we going to go to the hour news break?

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to newsbreak. But if he starts talking, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>just jump right into it, all right, Vian, That's what

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<v Speaker 2>we'll do. It's a KFI election desk. I'm mo Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're just tuning in. Donald Trump has been projected

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<v Speaker 2>as the forty seventh president of the United States by

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News. No other networks are projecting that as of yet,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's where all of this is headed. KFI AM

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<v Speaker 2>six forty We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 3>CAFI Election Desk.

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<v Speaker 2>Mo Kelly here, We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>And still former President Trump has not come into the room.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not approached the stage.

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<v Speaker 2>We are waiting for him to approach and address his supporters.

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<v Speaker 2>I suspect that he has plenty to say. I'm quite

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<v Speaker 2>sure he has some scores that he'll want to settle

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<v Speaker 2>on the stage. He will lay out I'm guessing don't

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<v Speaker 2>know this. I'm he'll lay out what his next four

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<v Speaker 2>years may be like, and maybe some people that he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to bring with him. He's made overtures that Elon

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<v Speaker 2>Musk will be part of his cabinet. He has said

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<v Speaker 2>that Rfk Junior maybe part of his cabinet as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see if he'll follow through on that and what

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<v Speaker 2>a new Trump administration may look like. And so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all of this is going to be unclear. Maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see a softer side of Donald Trump now that he's one.

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<v Speaker 2>I say, presumably he is one, and maybe he will

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<v Speaker 2>not take the road that many expect him to take.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see, We'll see, or maybe he'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Take it exactly in the direction that he said on

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<v Speaker 2>the campaign trail. And we'll have to watch whether a

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<v Speaker 2>second administration of Trump will be different from the first one.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully it'll be different in which we won't have COVID

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<v Speaker 2>or some sort of major issue to deal with. But

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<v Speaker 2>this Trump administration is going to have to deal with what's.

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<v Speaker 3>Going on in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>This Trump administration is going to have to deal economically

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<v Speaker 2>with what's going on. We won't know how the stock

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<v Speaker 2>market will respond to this. We don't know how economically

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<v Speaker 2>the world will respond to this. There are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of unknowns, and we'll see what happens, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have to see how Donald Trump and his eventual administration

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<v Speaker 2>will respond to it. Because there's nobody who's more popular

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<v Speaker 2>than a politician the night he or she is elected.

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<v Speaker 2>And even though Trump has a very solid base, as

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen tonight, there are still expectations, there are still

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<v Speaker 2>things that he's going to have to do to satisfy

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<v Speaker 2>people who push the Democrats aside and who are unhappy

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<v Speaker 2>with the direction of this country. And joining us on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone right now, we're watching what is happening at

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump headquarters, and if Donald Trump should approach the stage,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll go right to it. But joining us right now

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<v Speaker 2>is Loyola Law professor Jessica Levinson, also ke cou nine

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<v Speaker 2>CBS contributor Jessica Levinson, Professor Levison.

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<v Speaker 3>How you doing this evening.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm so much better now that we get to talk.

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<v Speaker 6>It's nice to be on air with you again.

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<v Speaker 2>We were going back and forth literally the whole day

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<v Speaker 2>in the hopes of being able to connect. You are

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<v Speaker 2>watching all this unfold. As I've been watching this unfold,

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<v Speaker 2>part of me is surprised. Part of me is not surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>But for you, I don't want to take it away

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<v Speaker 2>from you. What do you make of this moment?

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<v Speaker 6>I think I feel both surprised and not surprised. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I looked at the polls and it looked like it

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<v Speaker 6>was going to be a coin toss. I then fell

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<v Speaker 6>into a trap that probably a lot of your listeners do,

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<v Speaker 6>which is I went on social media today and I

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<v Speaker 6>probably curate my thread without even knowing it. And I

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<v Speaker 6>saw a a bunch of Polsters who I trust, say,

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<v Speaker 6>look at these lines and look at the early voting numbers,

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<v Speaker 6>and this is going to be a landslide for Harris.

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<v Speaker 6>And I thought it's not going to be a landslide.

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<v Speaker 6>But I did think, given the midterm elections, that the

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<v Speaker 6>Supreme Court's decision in Dobbs to overturn Rosy Wade was

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<v Speaker 6>going to motivate a lot of women to go to

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<v Speaker 6>the polls and vote for Kamala Harris. But what we

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<v Speaker 6>have to remember is that we heard something and I'm

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<v Speaker 6>sure you've been talking about this all night over and

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<v Speaker 6>over again, which is that the economy was number one

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<v Speaker 6>for the voters and that they felt that Trump would

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<v Speaker 6>be better on the economy. So, I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 6>anybody who says this came out of nowhere. I didn't

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<v Speaker 6>see it coming at all as somebody who just wasn't

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<v Speaker 6>looking at the poll Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I never first and I said this to my listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I take the polls with a grain of salt.

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<v Speaker 2>I have always taken the polls with a grain of sault,

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<v Speaker 2>if only because people I think are savvy enough, especially

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<v Speaker 2>now in today's world, to know that they can manipu

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<v Speaker 2>public perception by answering pole questions a certain way, sometimes inadvertently,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes intentionally, And the polls are reflection of the pollsters

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<v Speaker 2>the questions which are being asked. And let's be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>some people just outright lie. They lie because they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of know. If it's rass music, okay, I know what

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<v Speaker 2>they're looking for. If it's gallop, I think I know

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<v Speaker 2>what they're looking for, and they say what they think

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<v Speaker 2>is best for whatever their circumstances are. That's why when

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that it was a it was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a close racist, I don't I don't feel that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get that.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, we all curate our social media a certain way,

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<v Speaker 2>but I never and anyone who knows me personally knows

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<v Speaker 2>that I never really bought the idea that Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be elected. My question was was there

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a repudiation of Donald Trump which was

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<v Speaker 2>going to impact the Senate and the House.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I was looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>But as far as President look to Kamala Harris's credit,

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<v Speaker 2>let me see, here's the question I think she ran

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<v Speaker 2>a near perfect campaign given what she had as far

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<v Speaker 2>as fundraising, generating excitement, what have you. And she probably

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<v Speaker 2>did better than a Joe Biden, and her ceiling probably

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<v Speaker 2>was higher than what people thought Donald Trump was. But evidently,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, her floor was lower than Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, no, I think you're not wrong. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 6>agree with everything you said. I think this is if

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<v Speaker 6>we're talking about repudiations, it feels like it's a repudiation

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<v Speaker 6>of the current administration. And again, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 6>that when it comes to the economy, perception feeds into reality,

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<v Speaker 6>and we all know this when it comes to things

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<v Speaker 6>like the consumer price index, that the more we feel

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<v Speaker 6>the economy is not doing well or you know, consumer

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<v Speaker 6>sentiment in general, that that actually has a real effect

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<v Speaker 6>on the economy. And people felt very rationally during the

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<v Speaker 6>period of high inflation that the economy was not doing

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<v Speaker 6>well for them, that they were paying more for things

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<v Speaker 6>than they used to. And I think that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 6>did a very good job of saying and that is

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<v Speaker 6>the Biden administration's fault. And you know, whether or not

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<v Speaker 6>Karmala Harris could have done anything more, I think you're

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<v Speaker 6>right to point to the idea that maybe that's not

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<v Speaker 6>the question here. It's not the question of should she

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<v Speaker 6>has visited Pennsylvania one more time? It seems to me,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, it's a very different question than the one

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<v Speaker 6>we were asking twenty sixteen after Hillary, where I think

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<v Speaker 6>that was not a near perfect campaign that she ran then. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 6>it feels like I agree with everything you said about

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<v Speaker 6>the polls. I think people tend to also not want

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<v Speaker 6>to tell the truth that they think Upholster is going

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<v Speaker 6>to judge them for saying, either in voting for Harris

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<v Speaker 6>or in voting for Trump. I think people know they

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<v Speaker 6>can manufeulate the polls. Think a lot of people don't

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<v Speaker 6>respond to the polls. It's clearly not a representative sampling.

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<v Speaker 6>But the polls did hold in the sense that all

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<v Speaker 6>of these states where they were in play, it looks

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<v Speaker 6>like happened to break for Trump, but it looked like

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<v Speaker 6>that was possible given the polls.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean they were within the margin of air.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about four points in most of the states

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<v Speaker 2>in which the polling showed it it was a toss up,

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<v Speaker 2>So to be fair, they were within the margin of air.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think that margin can't be manipulated to a

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<v Speaker 2>certain degree and gives people a false sense of insecurity

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<v Speaker 2>or security.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think that's right. I mean, and I think

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<v Speaker 6>people look people in America as you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>we all live in bubbles. We live in geographic bubbles,

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<v Speaker 6>we live in our own kind of ideological bubbles, and

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<v Speaker 6>I think we tend to talk to and interact with

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<v Speaker 6>people who agree with us. And so you know, it's

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<v Speaker 6>that old joke the day after Nixon was elected, like,

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<v Speaker 6>how could he have been elected? I don't know anybody

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<v Speaker 6>who voted for him. Well, of course not, because we're

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<v Speaker 6>not particularly good at talking to each other. And I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know what to say other than I think it

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<v Speaker 6>will be fascinating to see how our balance of power

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<v Speaker 6>plays out in the next four years. And what I

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<v Speaker 6>really mean is the separation of powers. Will the Senate

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<v Speaker 6>act as any sort of pushback against a Trump administration?

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<v Speaker 6>What will the judiciary do? I mean to me, that's

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<v Speaker 6>fascinating because we know that there is a difference between

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<v Speaker 6>conservative judges and judges who are reviewed as Trump loyalists.

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<v Speaker 6>And one of the things I'll be watching is how

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<v Speaker 6>much the judicial branch acts as kind of a safety

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<v Speaker 6>valve against some what I would view as potential overreach.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you talk about that potential overreach.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that if you're looking as a safety excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're looking at the Senate as some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>safety valve or some sort of bulwark against whatever Trump

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<v Speaker 2>may do as far as his worst impulses, Well, the

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans are going to be controlling the Senate, so less

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<v Speaker 2>likely if at all, then right, Well.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that's right, And I mean, all indications are

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<v Speaker 6>that the Republican Party plans to stand united behind Trump

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<v Speaker 6>and that there are no real plans to have an

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<v Speaker 6>intra party fight and push back against Trump's legislative agenda.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, we have to see what happens in the House.

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<v Speaker 6>I was traveling home from a studio, as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 6>so I don't know currently what's happening in the House.

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<v Speaker 6>But if Republicans do control the White House, the Senate,

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<v Speaker 6>and the House of Representatives, you can imagine that at

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<v Speaker 6>that point the only pushback would come from potential legal challenges.

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<v Speaker 6>And again, there are a lot of reasons to believe

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<v Speaker 6>that those, depending on obviously the challenge that those might

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<v Speaker 6>not be successful.

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<v Speaker 2>What about this and this is I'm going to play

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of the conversation. How about the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that this is just who we are as America. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what we've chosen, this is who we've chosen, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's not going to be any pushback because this is

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<v Speaker 2>what we want.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it's clearly what a majority of those voting in

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<v Speaker 6>terms of translating to the electoral college want, and not

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<v Speaker 6>being particularly articulate, just to say that it's not just

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<v Speaker 6>a majority of those voting, it's under the electoral college.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I don't think at this point there's a

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<v Speaker 6>question that Trump won. And so having said that, I

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<v Speaker 6>think there's a pretty big percentage of people for whom

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<v Speaker 6>this is not what they want. But look for people

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<v Speaker 6>who either voted for Trump and stayed home and supported

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<v Speaker 6>but support him anyway. Yeah, I mean, this is clearly

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<v Speaker 6>who we are. And I don't know that those who

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<v Speaker 6>voted for Trump, you know, fully support all of his

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<v Speaker 6>policies or know what all of his policies would be.

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<v Speaker 6>And I would say that for any candidate. That's not

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<v Speaker 6>a slam on future president Trump. That's just to say

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<v Speaker 6>that I think he can be kind of unpredictable and

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<v Speaker 6>so I guess what I'm saying is in terms of

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<v Speaker 6>this is who we are. I think this is who

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<v Speaker 6>we are in the sense that we know who he

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<v Speaker 6>is and we re elected him. But do we know

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<v Speaker 6>exactly what we're supporting. I think the answers no, because

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<v Speaker 6>that's somewhat unpredictable.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're going to find out in short order. Loyola

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<v Speaker 2>Law Professor Jessica Levison, thank you so much for staying

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<v Speaker 2>up late. I know it's been a long day for you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a long day for me and all of America.

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<v Speaker 2>We're coming to the end of this presidential election cycle

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<v Speaker 2>one way or the other, but I appreciate you spending

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<v Speaker 2>some time.

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<v Speaker 3>With us this evening.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk soon. It's the KFI election desk on mo Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so half of us don't like the numbers, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing this election thing. Can we just get to

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<v Speaker 1>the suing part now before Christmas?

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