WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is a Del Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:28.719 When you look be on the sky, do you feel 3 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:30.199 the poll question? 4 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:35.439 Why the stories. 5 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:42.039 Told and left behind in shadows where the truth we find? 6 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:49.359 They built their tails on crafts and lines. 7 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:53.399 On theories they stake their designed. 8 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.719 Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time 9 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:02.520 for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm 10 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:06.480 your host, as always, George Hobbs. Hope everybody had a 11 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:09.680 great weekend. We have a great guest ending by back 12 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:13.640 to back guests from Australia this week. A great guest, 13 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:17.359 just a plethora of information and looking forward to the conversation. 14 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:20.200 Just two quick notes before we get started. Please do 15 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:23.519 stop by the website. It is theflat earthfiles dot com. 16 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:28.079 The flat earth files dot com. We put every episode 17 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:30.280 as a blog post. We have a chat room, we 18 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:32.439 have a forum where people leave their thoughts. Please do 19 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:36.439 stop by and check it out. And lastly, don't forget 20 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:39.280 if you'd like to join the podcast. I think we 21 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:43.319 have maybe no Actually we're booked through December, but we 22 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:47.040 are starting to book for January. It is fe files 23 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:51.000 guest at gmail dot com. Again it's fe filesguest at 24 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:56.560 gmail dot com. Without any further ado, we're going to 25 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.799 bring on today's guest again. As we mentioned it the intro. 26 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:03.319 He is from Australia and his name is Carmelo. Carmelo, 27 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:04.200 how are you doing today? 28 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:05.200 Great? 29 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:07.319 Thanks George, thank you for having me on and for 30 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:10.360 your kind words this morning. I love your podcast. It's 31 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:13.000 always so positive, polite and on point. 32 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:14.879 Now I appreciate that. 33 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.159 And you know, with this podcast, it's really the guests 34 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:20.280 that make the podcast. So a big tip of the 35 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.599 cap to everyone who comes on and you know, spreads 36 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.599 their message and talks about their journey. 37 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:30.039 Okay, so go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. 38 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:30.919 All right. 39 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:34.599 I'm a sixty eight year old retired primary school teacher. 40 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:37.280 I've been a Christian for nearly forty years and have 41 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:40.120 been married to my beautiful wife for over thirty five years. 42 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:44.080 We're very blessed to have four wonderful adult children, all 43 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:47.439 walking with the Lord and married. We have five adorable 44 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:50.800 grandchildren and another on the way, and we attend a good, 45 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.360 solid Baptist church not far away. As a family, of course, 46 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:58.120 we have our standard differences, problems and life issues. We 47 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:01.439 live in Logan, which is the city with Brisbane, in 48 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:05.039 the southeast of Queensland, about an hour north of last 49 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:08.080 week's podcast guest Mark, who I've sent an email to 50 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:10.159 with a view to making contact because we go down. 51 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:10.759 There a lot. 52 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:14.199 So my wife and I love spending time with our family. 53 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:18.439 We recently bought a motor home or an RV, and 54 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:21.759 we do traveling up and down the coast, mostly at 55 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:26.639 this point in between getting it repaired. We love gardening, 56 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:29.680 me veggie gardening and my wife the other side, the 57 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:33.400 flowering plants and things. We love meeting people, having coffee 58 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:37.560 at cafes, eating out, going for walks, especially on beaches, 59 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:41.479 although I love bushwalking or hiking up mountains which you'd 60 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:42.439 probably call hills. 61 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.560 So the highest mountain in southeast Queensland is only. 62 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:49.120 Twelve to fifty meters or about four thousand feet high. 63 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:52.319 I love playing squash. Sorry you want to say. 64 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:54.639 Something, Oh no, no, I was just listening. 65 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:59.520 Say I told you I go fast. I love playing 66 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:02.680 squash and going in the sauna after and it's my 67 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:05.800 favorite place to witness the people as it's a captive 68 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:08.120 audience and everyone's relaxed in the sauna. 69 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:11.159 There's been some very interesting times in there. 70 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:14.960 One thing I know for sure is Jesus is faithful 71 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:15.960 in every situation. 72 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:20.040 His word is trustworthy, He's always good, and I. 73 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:23.839 Cannot I simply cannot imagine my life without the Lord. 74 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.160 I just know where I was going before, and it 75 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:30.519 wasn't good. So He's my firm foundation. His word is 76 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.199 my light, liked my feet, and a guide to my 77 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:34.519 path for life. 78 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:37.399 I have one caveat is I'm. 79 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:40.040 Almost certainly going to use other people's sayings and theories 80 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:42.839 without giving them credit, because I've heard so many along 81 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:44.959 the way, many of them on your podcast, and I 82 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.639 can't remember who to attribute them from, so who to 83 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:49.480 attribute them to? 84 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:51.720 So my story. 85 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:56.560 I grew up in a loving Spanish migrant family as 86 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.399 nominal Catholics, but there were issues due to the Spanish War. 87 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:03.360 I went to state schools and then left early and 88 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.560 did lots of different jobs before training as a primary teacher. 89 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:08.279 I looked into the big. 90 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.600 Questions about this life early on, but I'm afraid partying 91 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:12.319 took priority. 92 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:13.000 For many years. 93 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:15.839 I could talk about God to people, but talking about 94 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:20.439 Jesus usually made me uncomfortable, as I felt guilty now 95 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:24.639 about when I was about twenty six We would go 96 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:28.199 to Fraser Island fairly often. It's a very beautiful island, 97 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:30.879 the largest sand island in the world. And on one 98 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.000 of these trips, we were swimming in the surf, even 99 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:35.399 though we knew there were lots of sharks there, and 100 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:38.639 one of my friends just disappeared. He was just right 101 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:40.639 out in the surf and I called to him to 102 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:44.079 come back. He said he couldn't, so I don't think 103 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:45.800 I was thinking. I just thought I've got to go 104 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:47.480 out there. He's much taller. 105 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:49.560 Than me and he wasn't touching the bottom. 106 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:54.079 Miraculously I got him in and the rest of us 107 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.800 just kept partying on doing the things that partiers do. 108 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:00.160 But he started talking about God and saying, I know, Oh, 109 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:01.639 God's got something to do with this. 110 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:04.120 A year later, he's a Christian. 111 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.439 Another year later I hear the Gospel from him, because 112 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:09.560 by this time I was living in the Northern Territory 113 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:12.839 and didn't get to Brisbane very often. And then another 114 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:16.240 year later I became a Christian in a Pentecostal church. 115 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:19.160 And this church believed that each day of the Creation 116 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:22.199 week in Genesis one could have been billions of years, 117 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:26.959 and Cain supposedly married a Preadamic woman, but only about 118 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.519 six thousand years ago. At the time, I quite liked 119 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.199 this explanation, as it seemed to reconcile the Bible and 120 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:38.079 the worldly scientific view. Of course, it didn't do either 121 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:42.000 very well, as with most compromises. You're probably familiar with 122 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:44.079 the day age progressive creationism. 123 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.240 Yep, absolutely, yeah, okay, And. 124 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:48.920 They also believed and taught that the flood in Noah's 125 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:50.480 day was only a localized blood. 126 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:52.279 I think that made less difference. 127 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:55.360 Still, I thought, how is that possible on a globe, 128 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:57.480 That's what I was thinking, And the water is just 129 00:06:57.519 --> 00:06:59.360 going to spill out over the rest of it. But anyway, 130 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.959 after some time of reading my Bible some years, I thought, 131 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:06.720 I'm just not smart enough to understand how to reconcile 132 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:09.879 Genesis one and how it works according to the secular 133 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:13.319 scientific model, which we apparently believed in sync with. 134 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.199 But I trusted the church's interpretation. 135 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:18.279 And loved the Lord and the people there, and God 136 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:21.800 had made some great changes in our lives. I eventually 137 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:24.720 became a pastor of a small church in that denomination 138 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:27.680 and love preaching and studying God's word. 139 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:29.879 More About four years. 140 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:33.000 Into that, I got challenged three times in two weeks 141 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:35.720 that it might just be six ordinary days and a 142 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:39.399 worldwide flood, and I gave the party lines straight up 143 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:43.319 and down. But I did think maybe God's knocking up 144 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:45.839 the door for me to study this out. So I thought, okay, 145 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.720 let's study this out. But I got bogged down straight away. 146 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.920 So one morning, the Lord led me to underline every 147 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:57.040 worldwide term of the flood in Genesis six, seven and eight, 148 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.959 and I just thought God's gone out of his way 149 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:02.040 to make it clear. 150 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:03.600 It was the whole earth. 151 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.600 Every creature with the breath of life in its nostrils, 152 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:07.839 under the whole heaven. 153 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:10.040 So that part was really simple. 154 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:15.360 But maybe two months later on very frustrated about the 155 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:18.240 days of Creation, I prayed what I now call the 156 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:22.399 dangerous prayer, and I recommend it to everyone. It was this, Lord, 157 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.399 I don't care which way it is. I just want 158 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:27.480 to believe the truth and I want to know it 159 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:30.000 by the end of to day. And I wasn't being 160 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:33.159 presumptuous or anything. I just wanted to get this over 161 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:36.200 and done with. So that was nineteen ninety eight, early 162 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:40.000 days of the internet searches, and I typed in Genesis 163 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:43.159 and creation. And what do you know, we got answers 164 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:45.600 in Genesis. I'd never heard of it. I thought, well, 165 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:48.320 let's go see. But it's got to be scripture that 166 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:50.639 convinces me, not man's clever arguments. 167 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:55.639 And oh boy, I was in for a ride the scriptures. 168 00:08:55.679 --> 00:09:00.519 They brought out Exodus twenty, verse eleven, Moses rings the 169 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.879 tablets of Stone, written with the finger of God down 170 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.720 the mountain. That's Exitus thirty one, verses seventeen and eighteen. 171 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:11.799 But verse twenty, Exitus twenty eleven says for in six 172 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:15.639 days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, 173 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:19.039 and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. 174 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:22.240 Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath and hallowed it. I 175 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:24.840 just went, oh boy, this is God the Father. This 176 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.200 is not man or God's secretaries or anything maybe getting 177 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.600 it wrong. This is God the Father writing this with 178 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:34.480 his finger. And then they brought out Matthew nineteen. And 179 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:36.799 the funny thing of this is verses four to six 180 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:40.960 embossed on the back of my Bible cover from a 181 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:43.120 friend who gave me that as a wedding present. And 182 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:47.240 Jesus speaks here says, have you not read. He that 183 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:49.879 made them in the beginning, made the male and female. 184 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.159 And I always used to wonder why Jesus chose saying 185 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:55.799 in the beginning if Adam was six thousand years ago 186 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:57.840 and the beginning of Earth was four billion years ago. 187 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:00.600 But of course it wasn't Jesus, it was wrong. It 188 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:00.919 was me. 189 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:06.159 So that was a very interesting time. And then you've 190 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:07.559 sort of stuck with, well, what am I going to 191 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.960 do with this? So we devoured answers and genesis material 192 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:14.799 looking for evidence in the world around. 193 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:17.279 Us, and our faith quickly grew, and. 194 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:20.000 I no longer feared that someone would come up to 195 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:23.200 me with something that was definite proof of macroevolution, like 196 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:27.039 and this is one that i'd heard, antibiotic resistance bacteria. 197 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:30.360 I thought, oh boy, now that can result from a 198 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:34.480 loss of information in the genetic code or were rearranging 199 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:38.720 of the DNA. But no new information can come by itself. 200 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:43.120 It needs intelligence or intervention to add new information to 201 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:47.240 the genome. So we eagerly taught our children this newfound 202 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:50.840 truth and all the evidences around us. And one of 203 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:52.799 the things I did was I wrote a ten thousand 204 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:55.720 word essay, probably three and a half thousand of those 205 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:58.720 words were Bible versus in multiple versions. 206 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.240 I sent it to the church hierarchy and it got this. 207 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:07.159 Very quick, short, inadequate, and illogically answered response. I said, 208 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:10.240 I spoke to the senior pastor in Canberra, where we 209 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:12.360 were based from, and he said, well, you can keep 210 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:14.960 pastoring just as long as you don't talk about creation 211 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.519 or the flood. And straight away the scripture was quickened 212 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.200 to me. The Word of God is not chained. I 213 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:24.279 wasn't prepared to keep pastoring under those constraints, and we 214 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:25.679 decided to leave the church. 215 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:27.600 And it was just the easiest thing to. 216 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:30.200 Do, and we moved to Brisbane, where I'd grown up. 217 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.879 But we knew the truth. It had been a great awakening. 218 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:36.759 We had no doubts, and we felt a lot closer 219 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:39.279 to the Lord. I don't know if you know that 220 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:41.360 song they say that making up is. 221 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:41.759 Hard to do? 222 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:43.600 Yeah, of course, yeah. 223 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:45.519 Well I think I've got it here in my heading 224 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:47.519 is they say that waking up is hard to do. 225 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:51.559 Indeed, I know you're a wrestling fan or word at least. 226 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.600 When I was a kid, my father built a boat 227 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:57.600 for a man whose son worked at Channel nine, where 228 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:59.960 world Championship Wrestling was which we used to watch. 229 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:02.759 She's a family and just barrack for the good guys. 230 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:05.960 Well, I had to go to the toilet and they 231 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:09.120 took me through the wrestlers chaine rooms and then they 232 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:12.879 all were huddled over each other looking through the window 233 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:13.679 at the wrestling. 234 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:15.399 I thought, what's this. This isn't right. 235 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:19.000 The good guys and bad guys don't mix, and it 236 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:21.080 was like, bah, how terrible. 237 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:25.679 We kept watching wrestling anyway. They're very good athletes. I 238 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:26.399 like what they do. 239 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:29.360 Yeah, it's like a movie. 240 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:31.600 You have to you know, what do they say, suspend 241 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:34.399 disbelief in order to get it? Because even in the 242 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.360 seventies and eighties you kind of knew that it was, 243 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:39.200 but when they come out and say it and you know, 244 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.200 it takes away. But yeah, for us, I think it 245 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.440 was nineteen eighty eight. I don't know if you're familiar 246 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:48.519 with these names, the Iron Chic and Hacksaw. 247 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:48.879 Jim dug In. 248 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:52.480 No I know Hogan, yeah, no, hack. 249 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.240 Saw Jim Duggan. Oh, okay, So they it was a 250 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.159 good guy and bad guy. They were going through their 251 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.600 feud and they were travel them together smoking a joint 252 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:04.320 and they got arrested and it made news around the 253 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:06.399 country that this good guy and bad guy, and these 254 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:09.440 were very big figures in the eighties that they were 255 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:12.159 riding together and partying together. So that was kind of 256 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:14.559 when they started to peel back the layers of the 257 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:16.399 onion and people who still. 258 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:18.039 I don't know about you, George, I wouldn't like to 259 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.840 get thrown on the on the map from the. 260 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:26.320 Distances they Yeah, the outcomes are predetermined, but they still 261 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:26.879 take a beating. 262 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:29.679 Absolutely. Yeah, I'm not doing that. 263 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.399 So that's my first waking up. I'll come to another 264 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:35.919 one later. But through the years I heard of lots 265 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:39.159 of conspiracy theories. Some I believe, but mostly they just 266 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:42.279 didn't seem to matter, like keep your heirloom seeds as. 267 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:43.399 They're hybridizing all things. 268 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:49.000 Yes, sir, I don't know, Okay, big corporations, Preemason's Illuminati, 269 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:52.000 Fabian Society, Fabian society in the US. 270 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.240 Yes, where is it in the UK? I just did 271 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.279 a podcast on it within the last six months. But 272 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:03.759 there's it's up there with the the Trilateral Commission and 273 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.039 the Foreign Council on Relations, and you hear of. 274 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:09.240 All those names. You know, through the years, you hear 275 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:12.559 them and think, oh, that sounds interesting. Maybe they are bad, 276 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:15.360 but I was too busy working and raising a family, 277 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:17.159 and generally I believe the world. 278 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:18.440 Was mostly a good place. 279 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.519 Oh dear, look now, how could I have thought that? 280 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:26.600 So a couple of years before we came to a 281 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:31.320 literal six day creation belief. Research into childhood jabs revealed 282 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:34.840 overwhelming evidence to me that all was not well in 283 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:38.120 what we put in our kids' arms. The part that 284 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:42.679 really stood out was the personal anecdotal evidence collected during 285 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:45.639 this research. Our church was one where there were miracles. 286 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.639 They were well known and they were well publicized. And 287 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:52.159 I'd heard this miracle many times. But when we asked 288 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:55.759 the mother about that, she said it was just after 289 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:59.080 the child that had his sleeves rolled up. So he 290 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:02.039 was twenty months old, this boy, and he died. His 291 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:05.440 mother was a nurse. She did the ABC and found 292 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:08.559 there were no signs of life. She prayed fervently, and 293 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:11.960 he opened his eyes, vomited, and was restored to life. 294 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:12.919 And then all. 295 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:16.519 These other people tell us stories, similar stories, another one 296 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.240 that someone had been resuscitated several times, and others less 297 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:25.399 serious but nonetheless still significant. So that was another wake up, 298 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:27.759 and the years rush on and we come to COVID. 299 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.879 As a teacher, I was mandated to be vaccinated or 300 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:32.120 not work on campus. 301 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:36.279 After listening to Creation Ministries. Do you know them? 302 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:38.000 I'm not sure if I'm familiar with them or not. 303 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:41.639 Well, they split from Answers and Genesis, so they were both. 304 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:42.879 They're both were. 305 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:46.919 Based here originally, and they're all Queenslanders, and Creation Ministries 306 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.840 send the Creation magazine worldwide, so they're quite a significant organization. 307 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.600 But they were very pro vax, and I was listening 308 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:55.159 to other pro. 309 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:57.600 Vax voices and I was weighing up which one I 310 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:00.600 should get to keep my job. I was close to retirement, 311 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:03.360 but I didn't think I could survive a couple of years. 312 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:04.000 Without work anyway. 313 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:06.519 I had someone in my ear telling me not to 314 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:08.720 get any So finally I thought, right, I know how 315 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:11.159 to fix this. I'm going to go on the government website, 316 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:14.759 because at this point I trusted the government, and I 317 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.039 checked the adverse effects of these vaccinations and that was 318 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:21.480 just straightaway, end of story, no vaccination for me. I 319 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:25.759 couldn't believe, George how many severe adverse effects and death 320 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.639 were already recorded in the early days of the vaccinations terrible. 321 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:31.000 So yeah, And of. 322 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:34.039 Course the naysay is so that correlation and causality aren't 323 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:36.759 the same thing, and I agree, But when you've got 324 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:41.120 overwhelming figures of it, you just go maybe there is 325 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.480 correlation anyway, I leave that part out. 326 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:46.840 I waited to see what happened. 327 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:49.720 Well, yes, I caught fluvord, slept for two days, and 328 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:51.440 my doctor gave me a six month exemption. 329 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:52.840 Let my boss know. 330 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:54.440 And towards the end of my long I took long 331 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:58.000 service leap, and towards the end of that long service leave, 332 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.600 I was given two days a week to work from home, 333 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:04.920 doing distant education for kids that learn from home. So 334 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.279 where was God in all this, waiting patiently to show 335 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:11.640 his hands? I started getting nervous as my long service 336 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:14.319 need was running out, knowing that we couldn't survive on 337 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:15.519 forty percent of my income. 338 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:17.079 I prayed about it. 339 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:19.720 Sorry, George, Wait, no, no, I was just good, yeah, 340 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:20.400 go ahead, Uh. 341 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:23.759 Yeah, okay, So I prayed about it and I lost 342 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:25.920 my spot. I've got lots of notes so that I 343 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:28.119 don't go backwards and forwards too much. 344 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:30.839 And that day, that's sorry. 345 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.519 That Sunday at church the visiting preacher prayed for me 346 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:36.000 to be at peace. 347 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:37.240 Because I was still anxious about it. 348 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.079 This is the God who gave us a complete peace 349 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:44.119 that past understanding when someone burnt her house down many 350 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:44.720 years earlier. 351 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:49.079 Now I'm not by nature a relaxed fellow. I'm energetic 352 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:50.000 and go, go go. 353 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:53.319 A house burned out, deliberate arson and we just had 354 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:55.759 this peace. It was just irrelevant, but we just got 355 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.640 on with life. But here, oh, no, forty percent my income? 356 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:02.920 How's God going to deal with this? Open my laptop 357 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:07.160 on Monday and there's an email from my boss, say, 358 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:09.160 and he sent it on Friday, by the way, So 359 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:11.200 the answer was already there to the prayer before I 360 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.440 prayed it, saying I could come on campus if I 361 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:18.319 did the rat before coming in every third day. So 362 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:20.200 it's the first mention of me being able to come 363 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:22.960 to campus, first mention of being able to work again. 364 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:27.160 And I didn't lose a day's pay that year. It 365 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:28.599 was just like, praise the Lord. 366 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:33.200 How good is God just waiting quietly for his nervous 367 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.640 nelly to come crying I need help more that Look, 368 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:39.440 a lot of my colleagues did lose their jobs and 369 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:42.720 some of them got them back, but never many many 370 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:47.759 many never returned. So I woke up to the scandemic 371 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.759 through all this, and more recently the evidence of excess 372 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:55.759 mortality and serious things like turbo cancers and watching fit 373 00:18:55.880 --> 00:19:00.720 athletes collapse on playing fields. It's like only people are 374 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:05.359 seeing it, but people aren't exposed to it. 375 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:06.720 It's all wonderful stuff. 376 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:09.039 You go, I was waiting for you to go. 377 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.480 Yeah, yeah, see, just. 378 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:18.839 A couple of things. I do recall the jeez, Creation 379 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:21.640 Ministry is international. I do recall now because I think 380 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:25.839 the gentleman his name was Carl Wheeland, and he had 381 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:28.319 partnered with ken Ham. Because ken Ham is the gentleman 382 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:34.960 who runs Genesis. I'm sorry answers in Genesis now ken 383 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:38.319 Ham is No, he's the gentleman. I think it's in 384 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:40.720 Kentucky that recreated the arc. 385 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:42.599 That's right, Yeah, he's there. 386 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:46.680 He's a Queensland school teacher, primary school teacher, and many 387 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:48.759 of the people that had worked in that organization before 388 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:50.440 the split ended up at the school. 389 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:52.359 I was in Christian. 390 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:55.079 Schooling, so so I got to hear a few inside 391 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:57.519 things and just go, oh, I'm glad they're inside and 392 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:00.440 people outside aren't hearing them. But you know, things go 393 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.440 wrong and we need to work through as best we can. 394 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:08.160 It's very interesting because our friend who we had on 395 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.119 the podcast probably a year and a half ago, Josh 396 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:12.599 from the Founded Earth Brothers. 397 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:14.759 Yeah, he went down like him. 398 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.319 Oh yeah, he's he's there. They're fantastic. 399 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:19.920 He went down there and he did the whole tour 400 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:23.000 and the expo, and you know, it's great that Ken 401 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:26.920