Speaker 1: Okay, we are live. Hi. This is William Ramsey. Welcome
Speaker 1: to William Ramsey investigates on today's show. A very special guest,
Speaker 1: returning guest. His name is Nick Bryant, to be R.
Speaker 1: Y Ant if you're listening to my show. He was
Speaker 1: on it last year and what was called we did
Speaker 1: titled it The Epstein Justice. And this was in July eighteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. So it was just like supposedly the
Speaker 1: files worth here on Bondi's desk. Well a lot has changed.
Speaker 1: These files have come out only three point five million
Speaker 1: of the six million. Blanche specifically said he left stuff
Speaker 1: out that involved see Sam child, porn, torture and murder.
Speaker 1: So who knows what's in those files. There are rumors
Speaker 1: that some people have hacked them. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet. But Nick is back on the show.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to talk about. And there's his website.
Speaker 1: It's Epstein Justice dot com. Check it out. I was
Speaker 1: reading through it today. A lot of interesting people, like
Speaker 1: a name that I remember she's involved from that Franklin
Speaker 1: scander is Alicia Owens, who got put through the ringer
Speaker 1: like in a most contradictory way you would think, you know,
Speaker 1: not in conformance with justice at all. And also Ellen
Speaker 1: Acter we were talking in the pre show. I actually
Speaker 1: just reposted an interview with her. She's on the board
Speaker 1: or a board of advisors of Epstein Justice. I just
Speaker 1: reposted a show for hers with Viz from the Grassy
Speaker 1: Knol about SRA, So people can go back and check
Speaker 1: that out. I highly recommend that. But Nick Brian has
Speaker 1: written so many books. He's done a lot of different authors.
Speaker 1: He's written journalism. He's co authored America's Children Trying for Tragedy.
Speaker 1: He also wrote, like I mentioned, the Franklin Scandal, a
Speaker 1: story of powerbrokers, child abuse and betrayal. He's written or
Speaker 1: contributed to chapter on child trafficking, which is very pertinent
Speaker 1: to Epstein. He's also the co author of Confessions of
Speaker 1: a DC Madam, The Politics of sex lives in Blackmail.
Speaker 1: He also wrote a book about Watergate. I think that's
Speaker 1: his most recent book. And his mainstream work has appeared
Speaker 1: in USA Today, Playboy, Salon, The Twin Cities Reader, Vanity Fair,
Speaker 1: New York, gear Goker, The Shear Post, any other publications.
Speaker 1: So he's been around for a long time. But his
Speaker 1: books I was looking through them on Amazon today. They
Speaker 1: all have stellar reviews. So go check out those books
Speaker 1: and also check out this website. It's still happening. We're
Speaker 1: talking in the pre show that this Epstein is not
Speaker 1: going away. The Epstein Files are very important. I consider
Speaker 1: them an extremely important event, the release of them, even
Speaker 1: through the massive amount of redactions. But Nick can talk
Speaker 1: more about that. So Nick, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: It's great to be with you. Walliam.
Speaker 1: For people who may not have heard of our last
Speaker 1: heard our last show, maybe you can talk about your
Speaker 1: involvement Epstein and this, I mean it goes back to
Speaker 1: the Franklin cover up, but also this kind of like
Speaker 1: network of abuse that's going on, and this is the
Speaker 1: Epstein Files really reveal a network of massive abuse. And
Speaker 1: it didn't just involve young girls, which it did, but
Speaker 1: there are there's some stuff that I saw in there
Speaker 1: that involved children under ten, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: get too graphic, but it's in the civil litigation files.
Speaker 1: It's really it's just shocking. It's just absolutely outrageous. But
Speaker 1: maybe you can talk about that. When led up to
Speaker 1: Epstein Justice.
Speaker 2: I started researching a book that would ultimately come the
Speaker 2: Franklin Scandal, a story Powerbrokers show to be some betrayal
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two, two thousand and three, and
Speaker 2: I was pretty stunned when I came across that network
Speaker 2: because it had been so immaculately covered up by federal
Speaker 2: and state law enforcement, and it was just the antithesis
Speaker 2: of what I thought law enforcement should be doing. Law
Speaker 2: enforcement should be putting child molesters in prison for a
Speaker 2: very long time. But in the case of the Franklin scandal,
Speaker 2: it was the victims who refused to recant their abuse
Speaker 2: that were on perjury charges. And Alicia Owen, who is
Speaker 2: an associate director of Epstein Justice, she was indicted on
Speaker 2: eight concept state grand jury and eight concert purjury from
Speaker 2: a federal grand jury, so she was looking at two
Speaker 2: hundred years in prison and she said, I was trafficked
Speaker 2: as an adolescent and I'm not going to recant those
Speaker 2: accounts of abuse. And at kangaroo court found her guilty.
Speaker 2: Now we're talking to kid. She wasn't died when she
Speaker 2: was like twenty, been trafficked in her early adolescent and
Speaker 2: she was sentenced between nine and fifteen years in perjury
Speaker 2: for perjury a kid and the authorities really tried to
Speaker 2: destroy her by putting her in solitary for nearly two years.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's torture. Yeah, it's considered torture, I think by
Speaker 1: the u N.
Speaker 2: And so I wrote the Franklin Scandal. I spent seven years.
Speaker 2: I knew that that was it was a unique story,
Speaker 2: and it was a horrific story, and I felt like
Speaker 2: the bar had to be very high as far as
Speaker 2: journalistic integrity. And I spent seven years on it, and
Speaker 2: I went about as deep into that reality as someone
Speaker 2: can go as a journalist. And we published a book
Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine, twenty ten, and it was
Speaker 2: a message that people didn't want to hear. They did
Speaker 2: not want to believe that the federal and state government
Speaker 2: government of Nebraska covered up child sex trafficking. When you
Speaker 2: cover up a crime, you're eighty and betting that crime.
Speaker 2: So people just did not want to believe that the
Speaker 2: government could possibly involve with eighty betting child traffed. So
Speaker 2: the book got published and we couldn't really get anybody
Speaker 2: to read it. And now on the Internet, there were
Speaker 2: a number of people that talked about the Franklin scandal,
Speaker 2: but it had been enmeshed with shape shifting repillions and
Speaker 2: the Illuminati and things like that, and they wanted they
Speaker 2: didn't because I really worked hard at debunking what I
Speaker 2: thought was apocryphal too, about what's been going on with
Speaker 2: it as it sponsored on the internet. So that book
Speaker 2: came out, and the conspiracy theory or a conspiracists I
Speaker 2: didn't sorry I used that word conspiracy they like, But
Speaker 2: the conspiracists had their own version of the Franklin scandal
Speaker 2: that they embraced, that it did include shape shifting repellions
Speaker 2: and things like that, and then people that weren't conspiratorial
Speaker 2: at all just thought it was I mean, they couldn't
Speaker 2: imagine it. No one in my family read the Franklin
Speaker 2: scan well, actually, no one in my family reads any
Speaker 2: of my books. But so I was hurting from that.
Speaker 2: I'd put seven years of my life into that. I'd
Speaker 2: made a lot of sacrifices. And about two years later,
Speaker 2: I had heard about Jeffrey Epstein molesting various girls in
Speaker 2: Palm Beach, and I'd also heard that a stake rand
Speaker 2: jury declared that he hadn't molested a single child. So
Speaker 2: and that's what happened in the Franklin Scan So I
Speaker 2: didn't really want to check it out, but I knew
Speaker 2: so much about this realm at that point. Then I
Speaker 2: went down to Florida and started knocking on doors and
Speaker 2: doing the things that journalists do, and I ultimately got
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's Black Boar, and it had all his addresses,
Speaker 2: all his friends and their addresses and numbers. I mean,
Speaker 2: I could have called Bill Clinton, I could have called
Speaker 2: Nick Chagter. There's a lot of people I could have
Speaker 2: called ones when I got the Black Book. But when
Speaker 2: I got it at the end of sessions, it's massage
Speaker 2: and that's his euphemism for underage girls mostly, And I
Speaker 2: started to call the underaged girls. And the first conversation
Speaker 2: was kind of strange because I was talking to this
Speaker 2: girl's mother and the girl was in the room and
Speaker 2: she was relaying what I was asking and her name
Speaker 2: was last year. I won't say her name, but she
Speaker 2: said that she had been trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein when
Speaker 2: she was thirteen years old. And then I called up
Speaker 2: another woman who said that she'd been flown around and
Speaker 2: actually flown to an island. And at that point I
Speaker 2: knew I was dealing with a network like the Franklin
Speaker 2: scanal network, and actually Epstein in many ways is a
Speaker 2: carbon copy of the Franklin Scanner.
Speaker 1: Did you find any overlaps of people involved in Epstein
Speaker 1: and Franklin?
Speaker 2: I did not. Franklin was primarily Republicans molesting little boys
Speaker 2: and Epstein is primarily Democrats molesting little girls. So that
Speaker 2: seems to be the partisan divide in our political system.
Speaker 1: Right, So that was the big thing, and they actually
Speaker 1: mentioned it in the files. I'm trying to find the
Speaker 1: file right now. But like they were aware Epstein when
Speaker 1: you published that book through Gawker, Right, isn't that right?
Speaker 1: They were aware in the emails of that publication and
Speaker 1: they knew it was redacted. I'm trying to find it
Speaker 1: right now. But have you seen that one email between.
Speaker 2: I did Peter Tail. Well, actually there was an initial
Speaker 2: email because I was down there and once I kind
Speaker 2: of concluded that Jeffrey Epstein was running a trafficking network,
Speaker 2: I started to call his inner circle and only one
Speaker 2: person answered, and that was Sarah Kellen and I tried
Speaker 2: to talk to her, but she was telling me how
Speaker 2: mean the Maybia had been to her. And Sarah was
Speaker 2: integral to the machine that destroyed all these children. She
Speaker 2: was Glenn Maxwell's right hand woman, so I really wasn't
Speaker 2: able to commiserate with her, and I think she sensed
Speaker 2: relatively quickly that I wasn't able to commiserate with her,
Speaker 2: So that phone call didn't last, right line. But then
Speaker 2: it came out in this latest trans of documents that
Speaker 2: someone in their name is redacted sent an email to
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's inner circle warning about me Bryant. And they
Speaker 2: even had my picture that they were passing around. So
Speaker 2: I got a kick out of that.
Speaker 1: Right, So you're in these files.
Speaker 2: I am in the files, but in a good way.
Speaker 2: I'm one of the few people that are in the
Speaker 2: files with no shame in my game.
Speaker 1: Right. And here it is, they're talking about the Gawker suit.
Speaker 1: This is twenty sixteen, and Jeffrey tells Teal, I would
Speaker 1: have gladly shared your expenses for the Gawker suit Chomsky
Speaker 1: Friday dinner forew in New York. That's from jeff to Teal.
Speaker 2: Actually there's a there's an email from Maxwell to Epstein saying,
Speaker 2: Matt Gowker just published your address book.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find it. I have a lot my
Speaker 1: files aren't in great organizational shape, but yeah, there is.
Speaker 1: You're right, I mean it's so they knew about you,
Speaker 1: basically they did. Indeed, here it is right here, Gocker
Speaker 1: have printed the entire book, albeit redacted, I think is
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 2: We redacted. We redacted the numbers of the adults, and
Speaker 2: we redacted the last names and numbers of the victims.
Speaker 2: We went about it ethically. There it is. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: it's funny. Someone was accusing me of being in the
Speaker 2: CIA the other day on social media, and I said,
Speaker 2: you know, would a CIA guy publish Jeffrey Emstein's Black
Speaker 2: Book unredacted? And by that point I had flight logs too,
Speaker 2: and we didn't redact the flight logs. It seems to
Speaker 2: me that that would be counterproductive for someone in the
Speaker 2: CIA to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get I get the intel accusation too. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't last in CIA anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just these that you're in there and then these there's
Speaker 1: just so many connections and revelations like it must have
Speaker 1: like a curtain rolled up like for you to see
Speaker 1: the broad The way that it was represented to the
Speaker 1: public is jeff is just a loan pedophile, and I
Speaker 1: think that was it, like, hey, he's a pedophile. Now
Speaker 1: he's gone, and that's it. But that's not the case.
Speaker 1: He was in communication with so many people, and he
Speaker 1: was really almost like a social media overuser or something
Speaker 1: like texting and sending stuff and on I Message and
Speaker 1: things like that. I mean, did you find that to
Speaker 1: be the case in the files?
Speaker 2: Well, the thing about Ebstein is you got to keep
Speaker 2: in mind that I've been investigating him since twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: and I knew about the sadistic pedophiles, and I also
Speaker 2: knew that there were girls under the age of ten
Speaker 2: that were trafficked. So this information, I mean, there has
Speaker 2: certainly been information that's been revelatory to me, but this
Speaker 2: information that I've just disclosed is not revelatory to me
Speaker 2: because I knew that that was part of the network,
Speaker 2: and with the Franklin that were we saw that too,
Speaker 2: extremely sadistic pedophiles. And the two guys that ran the
Speaker 2: Franklin network, Lawrence King and Craig Spence, they liked pubescent boys,
Speaker 2: but if you wanted a seven year old or an
Speaker 2: eight year old, they'd give you a seven year old
Speaker 2: or eight year old. And the same was true with Maxwell.
Speaker 2: And I've seen people that traffic, especially children, and generally
Speaker 2: people that just traffic other people are psychopaths. They do
Speaker 2: not have a moral barometer, they do not have compunction.
Speaker 2: So if you want a seven year old or an
Speaker 2: eight year old, they'll be more than happy to give
Speaker 2: you what you want.
Speaker 1: It's in there, guys. We don haven't seen all the files,
Speaker 1: and some of the stuff that kind of seep through
Speaker 1: is very disturbing. It's like there's like film they were
Speaker 1: filming under like under ten, according to the allegations in
Speaker 1: one so case, filming young five year old see Sam
Speaker 1: at the mansion in New York. That's just one thing
Speaker 1: that came through. So it's probably even worse, Like there's
Speaker 1: all kinds of code words that were using at Zoro
Speaker 1: Ranch and statements, so it's very very dark. There was
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things that I saw in the
Speaker 1: files that I found interesting was somebody's statement where Jeff
Speaker 1: had no conscience, like he didn't have like a no guilt,
Speaker 1: he had a zero guilt. He didn't feel guilty about
Speaker 1: anything he did. It's just like you said, psychopath is
Speaker 1: the right word. I think it's the right word. Like,
Speaker 1: these people are psycho.
Speaker 2: And that's why it's so hard to understand them in
Speaker 2: a way, because the life that they live is the
Speaker 2: antithesis of the life that most of us live. Most
Speaker 2: of us are constrained by our conscience, and we feel
Speaker 2: guilt and we feel shamed. But people like that don't.
Speaker 2: They don't feel guilt. I mean, they're not constrained by
Speaker 2: their conscience. And I've been writing about them for a
Speaker 2: number of years, But even the Epstein files, there were
Speaker 2: there were some things that kicked me in the gut
Speaker 2: that kind of took me by surprise.
Speaker 3: And I thought to myself, Wow, there was a Mark
Speaker 3: Tremil was a UCLA neuroscientist and he had an MD
Speaker 3: and a PhD.
Speaker 2: And he wrote an email to Epstein about how to
Speaker 2: optimize an infant's sucking ability. And that was kind of
Speaker 2: a gut punch right there, right that was you know,
Speaker 2: I just went like, WHOA an infant? So these people
Speaker 2: are twisted. And I'm glad that Mark Tremil will no
Speaker 2: longer be with U c l A.
Speaker 1: Oh really, so he's not working there anymore.
Speaker 2: He's done, he's done.
Speaker 1: Wow, this has been kind of a global conflagration because
Speaker 1: a lot of people have been filed. This actually has
Speaker 1: geopolitical consequences too, No big.
Speaker 2: Time geopolitical consequences.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about that?
Speaker 2: Well, Jeffrey Epstein was an arms dealer and he and
Speaker 2: a hud Barak, the psycho Bobbsey twins, they did an
Speaker 2: arms deal in Mongolia. And the people that Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 2: got to take part in that arms dell like the
Speaker 2: foreign prime Minister of his of well, hud Barack is
Speaker 2: a foreign prime minister is but they got a foreigner
Speaker 2: prize Prime Minister of Australia, the foregn Prime Minister of Norway,
Speaker 2: who actually tried to kill himself when he found out
Speaker 2: about his name being in the Epstein files. But EPs
Speaker 2: was able to put these types of people together and
Speaker 2: he did that to work out the arms deal with Mongolia,
Speaker 2: and they sold a heavy duty surveillance system to Ivory Coast,
Speaker 2: the dictator of Ivory Coast, and there was a UN
Speaker 2: embargo on anything that had to do with arms or
Speaker 2: surveillance against Ivory Coast. But then who Barank came to
Speaker 2: New York and Epstein had like a bunch of luminaries
Speaker 2: awaiting him and they were able to get that embargo
Speaker 2: from the UN retracted, so they could sell that. Essentially,
Speaker 2: they could sell Big Brother to an African dictator and
Speaker 2: they did the same thing in Nigeria. So yes, definitely,
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein was influencing geopolitical movement.
Speaker 1: Right and influence. They were talking about Ukraine, his investments
Speaker 1: and things like that. This is from the two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven docs. But this guy part Pivar says. Clevar
Speaker 1: stated Epstein does not always tell the truth and lacks
Speaker 1: a guilt. Gene Epstein is not a good person. Describe
Speaker 1: them as a contrarian. That's an old one. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of stuff. I wish I could
Speaker 1: find this one, this trama when I saw that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that woman is chilling. I've been subjected to this
Speaker 2: type of material for a very long time, but I
Speaker 2: found the trama to be chilling.
Speaker 1: And there's others from the civil litigation of like women
Speaker 1: say are girls, teens saying I'm a baby incubator and
Speaker 1: where's my baby and things like that. That's from the
Speaker 1: civil litigation files. Where are those children? And why did
Speaker 1: Jeffrey have a what do you call it? One of
Speaker 1: those like scopes you use when women are pregnant. He
Speaker 1: had that in his office, Like wow, Like is it?
Speaker 1: Is it so that they can get these like sonar
Speaker 1: of the infants and then they don't have to report
Speaker 1: them because there's no medical they're not in the medical
Speaker 1: system right because there's no nothing that they're not taking
Speaker 1: them to a doctor. Is that how dark it was?
Speaker 2: Well, actually, there were a number of doctors in Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Emstein's within his circle, so a doctor getting them dates
Speaker 2: weren't weren't an issue. Virginia Geffree told me that a
Speaker 2: very sadistic pedophile put her in the hospital for three days,
Speaker 2: but there would be no record whatsoever of her being
Speaker 2: in the hospital.
Speaker 1: So that's how deep the network was.
Speaker 2: Lots of doctors, lots of.
Speaker 1: Rest in peace, Jewphrey. She said she would never commit suicide.
Speaker 2: I wrote a pretty protracted article about her. It's my
Speaker 2: blogging go to Nick Bryant NYC dot com or Epstein
Speaker 2: Justice dot com. And I knew Virginia and she had
Speaker 2: been through horrible acause her father started sexually abusing her
Speaker 2: when she was six years old, and then he found
Speaker 2: her out to a friend of his when she was
Speaker 2: eight and then she was put into a buried raconian
Speaker 2: institution when she was twelve years old, which she ran
Speaker 2: away from repeatedly and ultimately ended up as a minor
Speaker 2: on the streets of Miami, and she was eventually came
Speaker 2: into the gravitational pull of pedophilic pink named Ron Eppinger,
Speaker 2: and Evinger rented a a apartment and then Pedophlesa come
Speaker 2: in day and night and molest Virginia. And then Epinger
Speaker 2: realized that the FEDS were on his track or on
Speaker 2: his tail, and he gave Virginia to a friend of his,
Speaker 2: and ultimately what happened there was the FBI did at
Speaker 2: predawn raid on that guy, and Virginia was in bed
Speaker 2: with him. And then Virginia's father was kind enough to
Speaker 2: let Virginia back into the house, and then that and
Speaker 2: then shortly thereafter he worked at Mariligo as a maintenance man,
Speaker 2: and he got Virginia job at Marlago, and that's surely
Speaker 2: thereafter she met Ballainne Maxwell, and with Maxwell and also Epstein,
Speaker 2: they didn't have to condition her. That's really important. And
Speaker 2: I and I this came up in the Franklin scandal
Speaker 2: because you cannot take a kid off the streets and
Speaker 2: just throw them in a room with a senator or
Speaker 2: a billionaire or someone in the cabinet. They have to
Speaker 2: be conditioned, they have to be tied deference, and Virginia
Speaker 2: had already been through all that, so it was easy
Speaker 2: for Gallainne Maxwell and Jeffrey Ebstein to start pimping her out.
Speaker 2: And she had been through a lot of trauma, a
Speaker 2: lot of trauma, but she was a supernova the way
Speaker 2: that she took on the pedophile on my nose Prince
Speaker 2: Andrew and also Gallainne Maxwell, and went up against her
Speaker 2: reptilian lawyers. But ultimately what got her was her husband
Speaker 2: was beating her up, and the year before she died,
Speaker 2: she tried to commit suicide a couple of times. And
Speaker 2: there's that one picture of her on the Internet where
Speaker 2: she's really battered and bruised, and it was said that
Speaker 2: it was an accident between a car and a bus,
Speaker 2: but actually that her husband did that to her and
Speaker 2: he was able to get control of the kids. And
Speaker 2: Virginia really prided herself on being a very good mother,
Speaker 2: and I think that her husband's abuse was just the
Speaker 2: critical mass of trauma where she couldn't deal with life anymore.
Speaker 1: She just had She just started off trauma like from
Speaker 1: a very early age. Yeah, I remember the whole pot
Speaker 1: Ebinger thing like because I read her her bio, not
Speaker 1: the most recent book, but her biography that was in
Speaker 1: the Maxwell Wile. She also sued Dershawitz. Yes, do you
Speaker 1: know the outcome of that case because it went all
Speaker 1: the way to he almost got deposed and then it
Speaker 1: got taken out of the court system, which.
Speaker 2: Virginia was pressured to recant Dersha which is abuse. And
Speaker 2: I know who pressured her, but it would be difficult
Speaker 2: for me to say because I don't have the requisite proof,
Speaker 2: but but she was. She was pressure pressured to recant
Speaker 2: her accounts of.
Speaker 1: Abuse with richards Right, she said, I think that six
Speaker 1: times she was with him at Zora Ranch too, if
Speaker 1: our memory serves me correct. So he was around and
Speaker 1: she was trafficked to, according to her dubin Mitchell him
Speaker 1: Robert I think Robertson who was the governor of New Mexico.
Speaker 2: Richardson Richardson and also Bruce King who is also the governor.
Speaker 1: Of oh well both Wow. See, so the network had
Speaker 1: that power. Mitchell for people who don't know he was
Speaker 1: involved in the Israeli Palestinian negotiation peace process. Like you
Speaker 1: have this guy who they have dirt on, and there
Speaker 1: he is, like you can go look at the peace
Speaker 1: He's sitting down with BB Clinton and the representative from
Speaker 1: the PLO and here he is involved in the Epstein network.
Speaker 1: It's just absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2: He was also a majority leader a Senate majority as
Speaker 2: a Democrat, so he was if the President goes and
Speaker 2: then the Vice president goes, and the Speaker of the
Speaker 2: House goes, then you have the president pro tempoort who
Speaker 2: is the ranking person in the Senate.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's just incredible, like it was. Virginia Roberts is
Speaker 1: like a world historical figure, Like it's incredible just to
Speaker 1: really tragic, horrible life and it's really a shame. But
Speaker 1: she's right there in the mix with all these people.
Speaker 1: And there's pictures of her at those parties in France
Speaker 1: when she's like fifteen with Epstein. It's like, it's incredible.
Speaker 2: She was quite like I said, she was a supernova
Speaker 2: that burned and shown a lot of a lot of evil.
Speaker 1: Evil. Yeah, Prince Andrew, to me is a very evil,
Speaker 1: evil person and she sued him. So she was. She
Speaker 1: had more more courage than a lot of men, A
Speaker 1: lot of men that I notes who are credited.
Speaker 2: I don't call him Prince Andrew anymore. I call him
Speaker 2: the pedophile formally known as Prince Andrew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, the first royal member arrested in four
Speaker 1: hundred years. Wow in pout. Well, I think the twelve
Speaker 1: million pounds I think was what was paid out.
Speaker 2: If I remember well it was his mommy bailed him out.
Speaker 2: It was a prety pretty hefty sum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet no more. What did he like? He liked?
Speaker 1: He had his search and arrangement of the seventy two
Speaker 1: stuffed animals. He had to have them arranged on.
Speaker 2: His teddy bears. He was in it. And the butlers
Speaker 2: or house managers or whatever that didn't arrange the teddy
Speaker 2: bears exactly like he liked them or get excoriated.
Speaker 1: The nickname for him was the cu n t. That's
Speaker 1: what the workers at the residence is. Have you ever
Speaker 1: seen that one video? What they what they called him
Speaker 1: behind his back? I guess he.
Speaker 2: Did not endear himself to the view that worked for him, right,
Speaker 2: But I mean see him after he got arrested. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: he didn't get arrested for child abuse. He got arrested
Speaker 2: for giving Ebstein military secrets. But the terror in his
Speaker 2: eyes is the terror of someone who has been above
Speaker 2: the law his entire life and doesn't think he's ever
Speaker 2: going to get arrested. That was the terror in his eyes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that picture that whoever snapped his picture is probably
Speaker 1: going to get like a pulitzer or something, because here
Speaker 1: it is like he looks completely freaked out, super privileged.
Speaker 2: There he is, Yeah, I'm above the law but not now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your brothers, let you go, man. Wow. And this
Speaker 1: he's pictured with like a young child. And somebody has
Speaker 1: done research on this girl and they think it might
Speaker 1: be this girl who disappeared from Ukraine. So you see
Speaker 1: this kind of trafficking, like they don't have her face
Speaker 1: like that. There's intrepid researchers on this case. But this
Speaker 1: girl right here maybe some girl who went missing off
Speaker 1: the street in Ukraine, and that is not as that's
Speaker 1: a prepubescent child, Like that's a child. So this is
Speaker 1: just one example of how to prade some of the
Speaker 1: other like statements about this guy involved like human hunting
Speaker 1: and torture and like he's really bad news, like really bad.
Speaker 1: So this is just one of many like wow, and
Speaker 1: how the and the one of the interesting things that
Speaker 1: I found in the files is that his wife or
Speaker 1: former wife, Ferguson Fergie said, you just she said she
Speaker 1: sent an email to Epstein to congratulating about his baby
Speaker 1: or something like that, and then said, you used me
Speaker 1: to get to Andrew. So I think she sensed that
Speaker 1: Epstein was kind of an influence influence off or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that email. And the thing is one
Speaker 2: of the reasons why Virginia your free split is they
Speaker 2: wanted her to carry a baby. And I think Epstein
Speaker 2: was probably cloning himself. I mean, we're talking to boys
Speaker 2: of Brazil, except this would be the boys of Coney Island.
Speaker 2: And it's actually it's pretty easy to to clone a
Speaker 2: mammal or any animal. It's uh, just need the ovum,
Speaker 2: take the DNA out of the ovum, which is pretty easy.
Speaker 2: You insert the DNA that you want into the ovum
Speaker 2: and then you give it an electrical charge and that'll
Speaker 2: start the mitosis process. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes as it does.
Speaker 2: But when Dolly the sheep was cloned, I think in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, and that was before I got into
Speaker 2: all this crazy stuff. I thought to myself, there's got
Speaker 2: to be some rich meglomaniacs out there that are cloning themselves.
Speaker 1: Sure enough, that was his thing, like the ranch. Did
Speaker 1: you hear anything about this whole cryo bank stuff that
Speaker 1: he had his genetic material stored in a cryobank? Did
Speaker 1: you come across that.
Speaker 2: I have not come across that. But Juliet Bryant has
Speaker 2: said that she was at the ranch and she went
Speaker 2: into some kind of unconscious state and when she came
Speaker 2: to there was a doctor harvesting her obums. She has
Speaker 2: said some other things that are pretty wild, that the
Speaker 2: experience has definitely taken a toll on her. So people
Speaker 2: can believe it, believe.
Speaker 1: Her or not, right. I actually talked to her biographer
Speaker 1: about her book, I think was Blue Butterfly, So she
Speaker 1: was one. But the stories of the Zoro Ranch. Somebody
Speaker 1: in the in the chat wanted to know your opinion
Speaker 1: of like Zora Ranch and because there's more like the
Speaker 1: state for people who don't know the state of New
Speaker 1: Mexico actually said they actually are doing research and investigations.
Speaker 1: They set aside two million dollars to look into the
Speaker 1: Zora Ranch and actually have like daverdocs out there. Do
Speaker 1: you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Well, Bill Richardson, who was the New Mexico governor for
Speaker 2: two terms, and Bruce King, who I also believe was
Speaker 2: the Mexican governor for two terms, they were both compromised
Speaker 2: by Epstein. Epstein didn't even have to register as a
Speaker 2: sex offender when he was in New Mexico. So, and
Speaker 2: Zora Ranch is very much who knows what was going
Speaker 2: on at Zora Ranch. I mean, I don't think it
Speaker 2: would be it's positive and would be beneficial to.
Speaker 1: Humanity, right, But it's a strange property because it's like
Speaker 1: it's a private land. It's a huge thing or surrounded
Speaker 1: by another ownership, so it's like in the middle of
Speaker 1: like it's not there's no other residences nearby to my understanding.
Speaker 1: And there was weird things and there was a statement
Speaker 1: in there that it had an incinerator, and that's from
Speaker 1: a local cop. He called the FBI in twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: or twenty twenty and said that like, hey, this is
Speaker 1: some sus stuff going on at Zora Ranch. And so
Speaker 1: and one of the I don't know if you know this,
Speaker 1: but like I there was one of the pictures I
Speaker 1: came across from Zora Ranch was of a young girl.
Speaker 1: It turns out she was from Brazil and that when
Speaker 1: I posted that picture on Exit, had like six million
Speaker 1: views because something in the writing was Portuguese, was Brazilian Portuguese,
Speaker 1: and it took because it was a kid show in Brazil,
Speaker 1: and it took off in Brazil because Jeff was holding
Speaker 1: her hand like he had bagged like a fuck, like
Speaker 1: an animal or something. He was holding her like captured
Speaker 1: prey or something. It was really strange, but it was
Speaker 1: I had a huge response to it because it was
Speaker 1: at Zora Ranch and it was a girl who was redacted,
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know who it is, but I
Speaker 1: assume she's from Brazil. And there's a lot of writing
Speaker 1: from Brazil. That's one of the other elements of the
Speaker 1: geopolitics for the global culture of Epstein is that so
Speaker 1: many people from different cut countries are writing about it
Speaker 1: in different ways. There's like this guy Lang in France,
Speaker 1: there's people in Germany, Andrew Uk, you mentioned the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister of Norway. So it's just really astonishing that they're.
Speaker 2: Not the Ebstein colluders co conspirators actually played an integral
Speaker 2: role in the Oslo Accordsh's that right?
Speaker 1: Which ones were that?
Speaker 2: The ones that were going to bring Israel and Palestine together?
Speaker 2: That didn't really work too well, right?
Speaker 1: The Ozolo courts didn't amount to anything, right, I mean
Speaker 1: it was just.
Speaker 2: Not well, it was we had a couple couple of
Speaker 2: compromise in or waitings that were ANDed all to it.
Speaker 1: And that's it. It's like this this either this sub
Speaker 1: rosa network, like because it's similar to the Franklin scandal,
Speaker 1: because the Franklin scandal involved child trafficking, but there was
Speaker 1: also criminality involved, right, like savings and loan It was
Speaker 1: the savings and loans era too.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, the well one of the pimps. There were
Speaker 2: two pimps in the Franklin Scandalrence King and Craig Spence.
Speaker 2: And King busted the Franklin credit union out for forty
Speaker 2: million dollars and I believe that a lot of that
Speaker 2: money went to the conference. Oh wow, because there was
Speaker 2: a time when we are shadow government or whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call it was funding the contras and we
Speaker 2: didn't have the mechanisms to put in place I believe
Speaker 2: that support or one of the people that involved went
Speaker 2: to a shake and got a million dollars or two
Speaker 2: million dollars or something like that. And I believe that
Speaker 2: a lot of the Franklin money went there. And then
Speaker 2: ultimately they set up a RAN contra were they able
Speaker 2: to sell arms to a RAN that were heavily marked
Speaker 2: up which would support the contras?
Speaker 1: Interesting, so some of that money went out? Wow? And
Speaker 1: that was just I mean for people who were young,
Speaker 1: they didn't know that era. But the savings and loans
Speaker 1: were rife with corruption and looting and they had a
Speaker 1: huge thing. You know, these guys were doing crazy deals
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. They knew they were.
Speaker 2: Never going It was a a book written by Pete Bruton,
Speaker 2: he's a former Post Houston Post journalist, and he hooked
Speaker 2: up a lot of the stavings and loans that got
Speaker 2: busted out to the CIA.
Speaker 1: Wow. So it was just like an intel op or
Speaker 1: something like that. Wow. So how has this How has
Speaker 1: these drops, the drops that occurred late last year and
Speaker 1: then on January thirtieth, How have these drops affected Epstein
Speaker 1: Justice and the work you're doing there.
Speaker 2: Well, we hope that when you have a pathology, you
Speaker 2: go through three phases. You've got awareness, you've got acceptance,
Speaker 2: and you've got action. At this point, everybody is aware
Speaker 2: of Jeffrey Ebstein, and I should say just about everybody
Speaker 2: and what he was up to. I think that these documents,
Speaker 2: the latest transit documents, are giving them acceptance of how
Speaker 2: evil it was. And what we need is a critical
Speaker 2: mass of acceptance and that will create the sea change
Speaker 2: for action because we have to this, I think Epstein.
Speaker 2: Right now, our legislators are they've been destroying the middle
Speaker 2: class for a very long time, and the middle class
Speaker 2: is disintegrating, and if things are allowed to go the
Speaker 2: way that they are, the wealth polarization is just going
Speaker 2: to be even much more extreme than it is now,
Speaker 2: and you're going to have basically the slaves and the
Speaker 2: slave owners. And I am being a little facetious there,
Speaker 2: but I think that that's where we're headed as a society,
Speaker 2: with the wealth polarization and the disintegration in the class.
Speaker 2: So I think that this will be the best opportunity
Speaker 2: in our lifetimes to fix our government, because I don't
Speaker 2: think we're going to have an opportunity like this in
Speaker 2: our lifetime, and we might not ever have another opportunity
Speaker 2: like this to fix our government before our leaders take
Speaker 2: us off a cliff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they need to release the other files
Speaker 1: like wow, Like I mean one of the interesting.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, we don't even need the files. We
Speaker 2: didn't even need these files. We know who the recruiters
Speaker 2: and procurers are, and if our Department of Justice had
Speaker 2: the will, they would call the procures and recruiters before
Speaker 2: a grand jury and they would be indicted on multiple
Speaker 2: counts of child trafficking. And that's a heavy sentence in
Speaker 2: the federal system, that's fifteen to life. And you put
Speaker 2: these women, you give them, if they're staring at ten
Speaker 2: life sentences, they're going to roll over on the purpose
Speaker 2: in a heartbeat. And then our government is going to
Speaker 2: have to protect the witnesses that testify against the purpose.
Speaker 2: So and we can do that. We've done it with
Speaker 2: the mafia a bunch of times. That's exactly. It's a
Speaker 2: reco case. And actually, in this latest transfer of documents,
Speaker 2: Sarah Kellen, who I've talked about earlier, who was the
Speaker 2: right hand, a woman of Glenn Maxwell, who knows the
Speaker 2: whole network, She knows which politicians are compromised, which politicians aren't.
Speaker 2: It's she knows that network very well and she wanted
Speaker 2: to make a deal with the FEDS or a non
Speaker 2: prosecution agreement, and the Feds didn't make that deal because
Speaker 2: they were busy covering this.
Speaker 1: Up right, It's incredible she remarried. She has a different name.
Speaker 1: I think she married some guy who's like a race
Speaker 1: car driver or something like that.
Speaker 2: So her name is was Sarah Vickers. I think that
Speaker 2: they've had some acrimony and their matrimony, I don't know
Speaker 2: if they're still together.
Speaker 1: I feel like that happen into a lot of people,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people got divorced over this thing.
Speaker 1: Like I know, one was a guy from Hollywood, Josephson,
Speaker 1: like his wife was.
Speaker 2: He was a scumbag. I mean, he's a total scum bag.
Speaker 2: And one of the emails, Epstein's setting him up with
Speaker 2: a sixteen year old and the woman's the girl's mother
Speaker 2: is selling her to Josephson. And then in another email,
Speaker 2: Justice is talking about how can we get rid of
Speaker 2: the poor people? Not how can we get rid of poverty,
Speaker 2: but how can we get rid of the poor people?
Speaker 2: And you see that social Darwinism in the emails. It's
Speaker 2: very explicit. It's very obvious that the Epstein class wants
Speaker 2: to eradicate the proletariat class.
Speaker 1: Right, and they're doing all kinds of financial school dougery,
Speaker 1: like how did the Zoro ranch win the lottery? There's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: how did that happen to?
Speaker 2: You know, Well, that happens when governors get compromised.
Speaker 1: Right, So they mean they win the money, and then
Speaker 1: the money gets redistributed to these guys you mentioned Bruce
Speaker 1: King and Richardson, right, So so I mean, I'm that's
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's what actually happened, but that's how
Speaker 1: it could work. But these I mean, and then it
Speaker 1: goes in like I don't think the forensic kind of
Speaker 1: accounting has really seen how the money flows for the
Speaker 1: trafficking really took place, Like at a very concrete level,
Speaker 1: have you seen anything like that, like how much money
Speaker 1: they were generating out of their human trafficking.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the human trafficking generated a lot
Speaker 2: of money. The same thing with the Franklin scandal. I
Speaker 2: don't think that that human trafficking generated a lot of money.
Speaker 2: What it did generate was a tremendous amount of power
Speaker 2: because it compromised people, and that the trafficking was about
Speaker 2: power much more than it was about money. And I
Speaker 2: interviewed a blackmail photographer for The Franklin Scandal, and I
Speaker 2: was trying to get my head around it because before
Speaker 2: I wrote The Franklin Scandal, there wasn't a lot of
Speaker 2: books about what I was writing about. And I asked him,
Speaker 2: you know, how how does this work? And he said,
Speaker 2: once you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht and
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful yacht and it's a beautiful day, and
Speaker 2: you can have anything you want on the yacht, but
Speaker 2: if you decide to get on off the yacht, the
Speaker 2: people on the yacht are going to make sure that
Speaker 2: you drown.
Speaker 1: Wow, So you're like bound to it. Wasn't that. There
Speaker 1: wasn't that a known kind of guy. I forgot what
Speaker 1: his name was, but he was out of Colorado photographer,
Speaker 1: so I forgot his name.
Speaker 2: His name is Rusty Nelson. Rusty Nelson, Yes, he was
Speaker 2: from Nebraska.
Speaker 1: Nebraska. Okay, somebody's taken a lot of these pictures. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of photographic evidence, you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: somebody who was taking tons of pictures and some of
Speaker 1: this is like early cell phone stuff, so somebody had
Speaker 1: to have a camera. Like there's pictures of Mandelson and
Speaker 1: Brunel and Epstein and Wexner together from like right at
Speaker 1: the turn of the millennium. Like there's just tons of pictures,
Speaker 1: a lot of porn, a lot of videos that were
Speaker 1: totally redacted. Like this redaction job was immense, Like the
Speaker 1: cover ups immense, guys. There are a thousands, there's like
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of people from the DJ redacting a
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff right from the beginning, right from
Speaker 1: February or March, so Bondi had her assignment. This is
Speaker 1: before the EFTA was passed, So before the Epstein Files
Speaker 1: Transparency Act. Trump in the administration was redacting, right. Are
Speaker 1: you aware of that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got no doubts about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's it's just such a huge cover up.
Speaker 1: There's so many people involved in it just pervades the
Speaker 1: whole system. You don't know where all this blackmail is
Speaker 1: and all these you know, he was really kind of
Speaker 1: like a master criminal. He was a market manipulator. He
Speaker 1: was he had five years of a drug investigation. You
Speaker 1: talked about arms trafficking, child trafficking, infant trafficking, like there's
Speaker 1: almost no kind of enough area, and there there's allegations
Speaker 1: of hitmen being like you know, uh, take in he's
Speaker 1: in Mexico and Warrez Like it's just off the charts,
Speaker 1: like there's a full criminal empire. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any doubt about it. I think that's what the Epstein
Speaker 1: Files network or file show is that the criminality, like
Speaker 1: it's corrupted the whole system. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 2: Our political system is very corrupt, as I said earlier,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people are compromised. I think that
Speaker 2: there's three trends that are going on which have completely
Speaker 2: dissociated Americans from their political system. You've got the what
Speaker 2: I think is the false right left dialectic. Or you've
Speaker 2: got Republicans seeing the Democrats are mentally ill, and you've
Speaker 2: got the Democrats singing the Republicans are med leale. So
Speaker 2: that's a pretty easy divide and conquer right there. And
Speaker 2: people have fallen prey to that and they don't even realize.
Speaker 2: I met a woman in New York I live in
Speaker 2: New York City, and she was a Republican and she
Speaker 2: felt like the only solution was a two state solution.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how crazy people have gotten about that.
Speaker 2: And Americans have been conditioned to believe that they cannot
Speaker 2: affect change. And then so you've got those two things
Speaker 2: super trends super imposed on each other. And then the
Speaker 2: next trend that superimposed on each other is many of
Speaker 2: our politicians that are compromised. So when you end up
Speaker 2: with those three trends superimposed on each other, you can
Speaker 2: see a government covering up child rafting. Twenty years, our
Speaker 2: government has been covering up child driving. And when you
Speaker 2: cover up a crime, you ate and a bet that crime.
Speaker 2: So right now our government is aiding and betting child trap.
Speaker 2: As we speak, our government is aiding and betting child raving.
Speaker 1: The network might still be going, like some people have accused.
Speaker 2: There's multiple networks. It's just not the Franklin Network and
Speaker 2: the Epstein Network. There are multiple networks that play and
Speaker 2: people approach. I mean, I've written so much in this
Speaker 2: area that I'm kind of a lightning rod and people
Speaker 2: are telling me about this network or that network, and unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I just I'm one guy man. I cannot investigate what
Speaker 2: a lot of and some people are very sincere and
Speaker 2: I believe them, but I just don't have the time
Speaker 2: to investigate their allegations. And it's frustrating to me. I
Speaker 2: mean a lot of times they understand, but then other
Speaker 2: times they get very angry at me.
Speaker 1: All Right, what can you do? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's there's kind of like a team effort, kind of
Speaker 1: like a decentralized people looking at it at their own
Speaker 1: and different aspects their own well. And I think it's
Speaker 1: clearly the way that they release the files is like
Speaker 1: a cover up in itself because it's so scattershot, and
Speaker 1: that the search functions like from nineteen eighties, like from
Speaker 1: the radio shack, just totally crazy. It's just ten responses
Speaker 1: at a time. It's so it's lunacy. Nick, do you
Speaker 1: have time for a few questions worth the fifty minute mark?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I think somebody asks go for it. There
Speaker 1: is what's Nick's thoughts on Zoro Ranch? Is that the
Speaker 1: big black hole in the six Sad Story. I don't
Speaker 1: want to you have any thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: Well, we kind of talked about it. And here's the
Speaker 2: thing with Zoro Ranch. The people that aid in and
Speaker 2: a bet at Jeffrey Emstein have had six years to
Speaker 2: clean out Zoro Ranch, So we're not going to find
Speaker 2: anything in criminal. Even if there is an untained investigation
Speaker 2: into Zora Ranch, it's been cleaned out. We're not going
Speaker 2: to find anything incriminating at this point.
Speaker 1: Facts only ask is there anyone left in government who
Speaker 1: can hold these people accountable? Or is it all corrupt?
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Well, it's corrupt, But I would suggest that your audience
Speaker 2: check out Epstein Justice dot com. We are a grassroots movement.
Speaker 2: We are growing and growing. As I said earlier, this
Speaker 2: is going to be the best opportunity in our lifetimes
Speaker 2: to reverse a horrific trend in our government, of our
Speaker 2: government essentially declaring war on Americans. And the reason why
Speaker 2: they're declaring more on Americans many of them, some of
Speaker 2: them are social Darwinists, but many of them are compromised,
Speaker 2: and some of them are compromised and they're social Dominists.
Speaker 2: So we the people right now, we have to come together.
Speaker 2: I believe the right then the left are so divorced
Speaker 2: right now that I believe the only thing that can
Speaker 2: bring us together is children shouldn't be molested with impunity
Speaker 2: and the government shouldn't aid to bet child driving. I
Speaker 2: think we can all agree on that, and that's what
Speaker 2: we have to come together, regardless if you're right, you're left,
Speaker 2: regardless if you're Jewish or Christian or Muslim, regardless if
Speaker 2: you're black or white. This is something that we can
Speaker 2: agree on that the government should not be aiding and
Speaker 2: betting child traffinging. With Epstein Justice, we're growing, It's been slow.
Speaker 2: As I said earlier, there is those three trends that
Speaker 2: I talked about, the right and the left just completely polarized.
Speaker 2: Americans have been conditioned to believe that they can't affect change,
Speaker 2: and then many of politicians are compromised.
Speaker 1: Right now, you've done a live webinars too, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, we do live webinars do if you get involved
Speaker 2: with Epstein Justice, we can give you lots of stuff.
Speaker 2: We're forming Facebook groups by state the pressure legislators. But
Speaker 2: we have to make a stand here. We have to
Speaker 2: make a stand. We have to make sure that this
Speaker 2: that our government no longer covers this up, and we
Speaker 2: have to make sure that it never happens again. And
Speaker 2: I think we are battling for the soul of our
Speaker 2: country right now with Epstein, we are battling for the
Speaker 2: soul of our country.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think it's that serious, like
Speaker 1: super profound, Like are you going to allow people to
Speaker 1: compromise in Blackmount? How much of this stuff has affect
Speaker 1: our foreign policy decision to go a rant to Iran?
Speaker 1: Iran who's been promoted into positions of power like it's
Speaker 1: these are all very important. Go back to Epstein. Bart
Speaker 1: asked when did the Epstein abuse in trafficking begin? How
Speaker 1: far back does it go? It's often generational, So who
Speaker 1: made jeff Epstein? Do you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: When Jeffer Epstein was asked in a deposition whether or
Speaker 2: not he'd been molested, he got very uncomfortable. He comes
Speaker 2: from a blue collar family. His father was a gardener
Speaker 2: for the City of New York. And I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly where Jeffrey Epstein became Jeffrey Ebstein, but there are
Speaker 2: certain exuses that are possible. But with him, I don't
Speaker 2: know if he was molested or if he's just a
Speaker 2: natural born psychopath. But I think Epstein's trafficking goes back
Speaker 2: to the early nineties and the Franklin scandal was primarily
Speaker 2: in the eighties, and it was covered up in the
Speaker 2: late eighties early nineties, and it was actually it was
Speaker 2: a bigger network than Jeffrey Ebstein's network. It was substantial,
Speaker 2: but Jeffrey Epstein his network was around for I think
Speaker 2: about twenty five years, and so I think that both
Speaker 2: networks probably destroyed the same number of children. And the
Speaker 2: kind of sexual abuse that these kids had to endure
Speaker 2: is some of these pedophiles, as I said earlier, were
Speaker 2: just really vicious, psychopathic human beings, and for someone to
Speaker 2: come back from that, it's going to require a lot
Speaker 2: of work on their part. And our government is responsible
Speaker 2: for their abuse because Epstein should have been stopped. Well,
Speaker 2: he was first reported in nineteen ninety six, but he
Speaker 2: should have been stopped in two thousand and six, two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven. So all those kids that were molested
Speaker 2: after the Sweetheart deal in eight that's on our government
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot. The abuse continued all the way
Speaker 1: up until his arrest of July twenty nineteen. It's really
Speaker 1: just off the charts incredible what they got away with
Speaker 1: for that long. I mean, and I think you see
Speaker 1: times where he was like he got away. He had
Speaker 1: to have connections within the legal stuff. Acosta and that
Speaker 1: whole thing. He's intel, and he had great lawyers like
Speaker 1: Dershowitz and these things like that.
Speaker 2: Star. It wasn't his lawyers though, I mean dersher West
Speaker 2: and Star. You know, there's scumbags and they're good attorneys.
Speaker 2: But but with Alexander A. Costa, the Southern District of
Speaker 2: Florida drafted a sixty count indictment against Jeffrey Ebstein. Count
Speaker 2: fifty one was child trafficking. As I said earlier, that's
Speaker 2: a heavy sentence in the federal system. It's fifteen to live.
Speaker 2: So that would have been the end of Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: But then Acosta was told to stand down even though
Speaker 2: the Feds had drafted a sixty con indictment. And there's
Speaker 2: only two people in the government that can tell a
Speaker 2: US attorney to stand down. One is the Attorney General
Speaker 2: and one is the president. I mean, it can be
Speaker 2: delivered by a minion of the Attorney General of the president,
Speaker 2: but it has to emanate from the Attorney General or
Speaker 2: the president. And at that point, ELBERTA. Gonzalez was the
Speaker 2: Attorney General and Alexander Consta is a US attorney. He's
Speaker 2: not going to go out on a landman cover up
Speaker 2: an international child draving network by himself. He's not never
Speaker 2: going to do that. And Alberta Gonzalez isn't going to
Speaker 2: do that either. He's not going to unilaterally cover up
Speaker 2: a child trafficking international child driving network unless he's told
Speaker 2: to by his boss. And I believe that the order
Speaker 2: to cover up Jeffrey Ebstein in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight emanated from George W. Bush.
Speaker 2: Wow at the apex of our political system.
Speaker 1: Right, do you think that the CIA was involved with
Speaker 1: Epstein at all to get it garnering intel and getting
Speaker 1: information blackmail?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've got no doubts about it. It's funny. The
Speaker 2: New York Times came out with an eighty five hundred
Speaker 2: word article and they deployed eight New York Times journalists
Speaker 2: that came to the conclusion that Jeffrey Epstein had no
Speaker 2: connections to intelligence, and they conveniently forgot that Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 2: was in business with Ad nine Koshogi, who was the
Speaker 2: primary arms dealer for the CIA, with Iran Condra. And
Speaker 2: they also didn't mention that Stampotinger was selling arms to
Speaker 2: the Iranians when him and Jeffrey Epstein weren't business together.
Speaker 2: I've got no doubts that Jeffrey Epstein was intelligence some
Speaker 2: dark and I don't when I say CI, I mean
Speaker 2: there's good people in the CIA, that really is. I've
Speaker 2: met some good people in the CIA. But there are
Speaker 2: some dark, malignant corner of our intelligence that's pure evil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agreed, Nick. We are at the sixty minute mark.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you'd like to add? Anything I missed?
Speaker 1: I mean, we got Epstein Justice right here. People go
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Speaker 2: Fantastic.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you'd like to add.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful day in New York and I want
Speaker 2: to go eat some ice cream, So I think it's
Speaker 2: a wrap.
Speaker 1: It's a rap. Yeah, check it out. Check out his books,
Speaker 1: Franklin cover Up. We mentioned that the DC Madam one
Speaker 1: on Watergate as well. I'll put links to his YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: He's done a lot of interviews there and then also
Speaker 1: this Epstein Justice doc. People get involved, share this stuff,
Speaker 1: share this interview, get the word out. I mean we
Speaker 1: can affect change through information and knowledge and through this
Speaker 1: type of exposure so it doesn't happen again. A lot
Speaker 1: of women's lives are ruined. There's missing girls, there's missing babies, guys.
Speaker 1: A lot of these people are are have PTSD. A
Speaker 1: lot of these women.
Speaker 2: If you were trafficked by Jeffrey Amstein, you have PTSD.
Speaker 1: You're traumatized.
Speaker 2: They're all tra It's unavoidable.
Speaker 1: I keep watching the new names keep popping up. I
Speaker 1: was watching Soft White Underbelly interview guy another victim, like
Speaker 1: I never saw her. I didn't see her back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty or twenty nineteen. So there's just so many
Speaker 1: people victimized, ruined lives. People who like Jew phrase a
Speaker 1: perfect example, like some of these people have given up.
Speaker 1: I mean the consequences and after effects are like horrible,
Speaker 1: and you know, let's let's put an end to it.
Speaker 1: This is about our civilization, just like Nick said, it's
Speaker 1: really goes to our culture and civilization. Do we want
Speaker 1: to address this and expose it and prosecute people or
Speaker 1: want to look the way other way and then let
Speaker 1: these people? The Trump administration is the Epstein network. They're
Speaker 1: all over there. Letnick and all these guys are all
Speaker 1: in the files, and Cushner too, so we don't want
Speaker 1: that to happen in the future. But Nick Bryant, thanks
Speaker 1: so much. Thanks for all the comments too. We had
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty live listeners. Everybody's praising you and
Speaker 1: your work, so you got a lot of kind comments
Speaker 1: and sentiments from the chat. So thanks Chat, and thanks
Speaker 1: Nick Bryant. I'll put a link to Epstein Justice. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: Thanks William, take care you too.