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Speaker 1: Wolf to the fifty five Kosse Morning Show. She is
Speaker 1: one of the people behind the signature campaign here in
Speaker 1: Hamilton County to end the property tax is the ballot
Speaker 1: initiue of going around to put on the Ohio Constitution,
Speaker 1: uh well, an end of the property tax. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the program, Sarah. Good to have you on today.
Speaker 3: Good morning, All right, now, getting ready?
Speaker 1: I know, you know the thing. I love the idea,
Speaker 1: you know, when you say, I'm not gonna have to
Speaker 1: pay that outrageous tax bill that I face every year
Speaker 1: my wife and I got to give her credit to
Speaker 1: because she's certainly a breadwinner for the family, even more
Speaker 1: so than I am. But it just, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: gone up dramatically over the years, and I'm I'm I
Speaker 1: wish I didn't have to pay it. And it sounds
Speaker 1: like a fun proposition. I sign up, you know, a
Speaker 1: petition and we get to vote to end our property taxes.
Speaker 1: I mean, who wouldn't really be behind that? But I
Speaker 1: guess I'm just kind of wondering on a more complicated level. Well, then,
Speaker 1: what I mean it's a get your popcorn out and
Speaker 1: put your feed up moment for our elected officials. How
Speaker 1: they're actually going to fund things since everything seems to
Speaker 1: be funded based upon property taxes.
Speaker 4: Well, this didn't come out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: As you know, we've been trying to get the state
Speaker 3: to reform our property tax system for over a year
Speaker 3: now and they've just kicked the can down the road,
Speaker 3: and this is what has finally gotten their attention. So
Speaker 3: we've got to get it on the ballot just for
Speaker 3: that they're finally paying attention. We've got to get rid
Speaker 3: of this atrocious assessment system. It's arbitrary, it's capricious, and
Speaker 3: there's no validation of the assessment numbers by the county.
Speaker 3: Nobody knows what a house is going to sell for
Speaker 3: until it sells. And I always say, well, imagine if
Speaker 3: the IRS could tax the way property taxes are. Imagine, Well,
Speaker 3: imagine if the IRS could say you're making forty thousand
Speaker 3: a year, we think your job is worth one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand a year. You won't make one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand a year. But that's what we're going
Speaker 3: to tax you on. Well, that's what the property tax
Speaker 3: system is, and we just cannot be taxed like this anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, that would certainly serve as a foundation for someone
Speaker 1: going in asking for a raise. Wait a minute, I'm
Speaker 1: being underpaid. But I mean the sad reality of this.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're working and you've got income and
Speaker 1: your property tax goes up thirty percent, you may get
Speaker 1: hit for I don't know, let's randomly pick a figure
Speaker 1: and extra thousand dollars. You might be able to swallow that.
Speaker 1: But the sad thing, and the sad reality is there
Speaker 1: are many seniors out there who have been in their
Speaker 1: homes for decades. They've paid them off, and they don't
Speaker 1: have there are any fixed income, some living only on
Speaker 1: Social Security, and they can barely afford groceries and the
Speaker 1: day to day expenses of just living generally, they can't
Speaker 1: afford that kind of property tax increase.
Speaker 3: No, not at all. I've got eighty five year olds
Speaker 3: talking about going back to work.
Speaker 4: I have a senior who sold her furniture to pay
Speaker 4: her tax.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I.
Speaker 4: Have seniors calling me all the time.
Speaker 3: It breaks my heart they're worried about how long they're
Speaker 3: going to live and can they afford it, And of
Speaker 3: course they can't sell because anything that they'd buy would
Speaker 3: be more than what they're already paying, so we can't.
Speaker 4: That's no longer taxing.
Speaker 3: Okay, that is a mafia shakedown.
Speaker 4: At tax should be a.
Speaker 3: Little annoyance, it shouldn't be this life changing punch to
Speaker 3: the gut. And that's what's happening, especially to our seniors
Speaker 3: and our working class people. Because see, it wasn't just
Speaker 3: that property taxes went up the twenty twenty three assessment.
Speaker 3: We expected property taxes were going to go up, but
Speaker 3: we also expected everybody to get about the same across
Speaker 3: the board, and that is not what happened.
Speaker 4: We've got about a third of homeowners.
Speaker 3: In Hamilton County anyway, that live mostly in the working
Speaker 3: class and lower income neighborhoods, who got fifty to four
Speaker 3: hundred percent increases, while another two yes, while another well,
Speaker 3: now I have to take that back.
Speaker 4: I found two people that got five hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: And then we we've got another two thirds that got
Speaker 3: little to nothing. And that includes a lot of our
Speaker 3: elected officials, and they didn't think we'd look into it.
Speaker 4: But we have. So you've got you've got.
Speaker 3: A third of the homeowners just absolutely in a state
Speaker 3: of shock and bewilderment, while the other two thirds are
Speaker 3: going they don't know what the big deal is. We
Speaker 3: can't be tax like this anymore. And there's like I
Speaker 3: said before, there's no validation. Well, and my husband pointed out,
Speaker 3: how did what your house is worth ever get correlated
Speaker 3: to what the government needs to operate?
Speaker 4: Anyway? There's no correlation.
Speaker 3: I mean, once upon a time, if you lived in
Speaker 3: a village or something, the townspeople will actually the landowners.
Speaker 3: The landowners would get together and decide they needed a
Speaker 3: school or a bridge or a sheriff, and they would
Speaker 3: come up with how much money they could raise and
Speaker 3: what they wanted to give to do that. And if
Speaker 3: you didn't want to participate, you didn't have a long arm.
Speaker 4: Of the law forcing you to, which is what we
Speaker 4: have now. There's no correlation.
Speaker 1: Now, if we get rid of property tax, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: County commissioners then maybe to raise sales tax in order
Speaker 1: to provide for let's say, the parks and recreations and
Speaker 1: things of that nature. Because I don't see philanthropists stepping
Speaker 1: up to the plate to cover the maintenance of a park,
Speaker 1: for example.
Speaker 3: Well, what we really want is a process where everybody's
Speaker 3: got skin in the game. So if that means, like say,
Speaker 3: I don't know, property taxes was a one time sales tax,
Speaker 3: and then you took a little percentage from income tax
Speaker 3: and a little percentage from sales tax. That way, everybody's
Speaker 3: got skin in the game. What happens now is the
Speaker 3: counties already can raise taxes for levees anyway they can levy.
Speaker 1: Or for stadiums or for stadiums, all right, right, but the.
Speaker 4: Reason they don't, well this should make every homeowner mad.
Speaker 3: The reason that they don't they keep levying property tax
Speaker 3: is that there's way more wage earners than there are
Speaker 3: property owners. So right, so they are happy to vote for.
Speaker 4: A levee that's not going to come out of their paycheck.
Speaker 3: But we just saw last fall they had an affordable
Speaker 3: housing and maybe that was the city. They had an
Speaker 3: affordable housing levee that was going to come out of
Speaker 3: income tax and it failed because you know, we can
Speaker 3: you can't take it out of my paycheck. So we
Speaker 3: just want a system where everybody's a bigger you know,
Speaker 3: a larger pool of tax payers is paying a smaller amount,
Speaker 3: and then everybody's got skin in the game. Property taxes
Speaker 3: is just not that and we were out as hell
Speaker 3: and we're not taking.
Speaker 1: It anymore, right Sarah, hold on, we'll bring you back.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about where the where we can sign up
Speaker 1: for this and maybe some other elements of end the
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Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there're been other balloties very much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very much a shot across the bow. We've
Speaker 3: just got them to act and I you know, they
Speaker 3: seem to be a little bit nervous up there because
Speaker 3: that nobody wants to preside over this, right what happened.
Speaker 1: But if they came up with a legitimate you know,
Speaker 1: palatable legislative solution. I'm just wondering, absolutely, would the signature
Speaker 1: drive in. Would you stop collecting signatures and just end
Speaker 1: the process, or would this thing just I mean, since
Speaker 1: it has legs now and it's very appealing to a
Speaker 1: lot of people, and I would think Governor to Wine
Speaker 1: coming out against it would probably only help your efforts out.
Speaker 4: It does.
Speaker 3: It does, And I really appreciate you having having me
Speaker 3: on because it seems like when we're out there getting signatures,
Speaker 3: everybody who's heard of it, they are falling all over
Speaker 3: themselves to sign. Yeah, and then you've got people that
Speaker 3: haven't and they need to just hear a little bit
Speaker 3: about the background. You know that we didn't go right
Speaker 3: to this. It's been a long process to get here,
Speaker 3: and then they'll sign. We've got even people that will
Speaker 3: sign to get it on the ballot. They're unclear if
Speaker 3: they're actually vote for it, but they think, yes, this
Speaker 3: is a good shot across the bow, light the fire
Speaker 3: under the Columbus's feet.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: This is pretty much God's battle, and I'm just along
Speaker 3: for the ride. I get it, Sarah, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I don't either, and to me, that's one of the
Speaker 1: most intriguing elements about it. I almost wanted to pass
Speaker 1: just to see what they do. I'm just thinking it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like chaos and Columbus, you know, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we're all gonna die. So who knows. But then again,
Speaker 1: I'm a property owner. So uh, Sarah Wolf, Now, what
Speaker 1: do my listeners need to do to sign on board?
Speaker 1: If to the extent that they're interested in signing the
Speaker 1: petition to get it on the ballot, where do they go?
Speaker 4: What do they do?
Speaker 1: Where are you gonna be that kind of thing?
Speaker 3: Well, the best thing to do is be a circulator,
Speaker 3: so you can email stop Property Taxes at gmail dot
Speaker 3: com and get your own, uh, your own petition to circulate.
Speaker 3: We've got thousands across the county. Now keep in mind
Speaker 3: we do the best thing to do to find out
Speaker 3: where to sign is, at least locally, is to go
Speaker 3: to our Facebook proof that's still going it's Hamilton County,
Speaker 3: Ohio homeowners. I'm having a little trouble getting people to
Speaker 3: post where they're gonna be. But keep in mind, we're volunteers.
Speaker 3: We don't have a headquarters. We don't have regular meetings.
Speaker 3: We don't have any meetings yet, so just ask around
Speaker 3: because especially on the West Side, there's probably one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty petitions out there. I am going to do
Speaker 3: sort of a pickup weekends. I think that's the weekend
Speaker 3: of the twenty first and twenty second, where we'll have
Speaker 3: some people, you know, anybody who didn't get to sign
Speaker 3: and then if we have to go get the signatures
Speaker 3: of people that can't get out, you know, our elderly,
Speaker 3: then I'm going to get some people to drive around
Speaker 3: and get those signatures as well. You can look up
Speaker 3: Reform Property Taxes dot com I'm sorry, Reform property tax
Speaker 3: singular dot com or just google citizens for property tax
Speaker 3: form in Ohio and you'll find us. And this is
Speaker 3: just all, you know, with our mandate to love thy neighbor,
Speaker 3: we don't have Usually you have a million dollars, millions
Speaker 3: of dollars behind a push like this to get an amendment,
Speaker 3: but always got his God's mandate.
Speaker 1: Grassroots, Hey, hey, it can happen.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Look at the petition to UH with regard to Hyde
Speaker 1: Park and the Save Hyde Park Square petition that was
Speaker 1: a grassroots effort. It cropped up out of nowhere because
Speaker 1: our government officials were not listening to the heart and
Speaker 1: to the citizens want. And uh, you know this is
Speaker 1: ripe for outrage. These property taxes have gone up way
Speaker 1: too much. And who knew that we're going to have
Speaker 1: this massive real estate value increase. I mean, COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: had a ripple effect that people are going to be
Speaker 1: studying for decades and decades. You know, my property went
Speaker 1: up in value as well, because demand is still out there.
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing we asked them to do is
Speaker 3: just boid that assessment counties are already making a bat
Speaker 3: out seven percent a year through new construction and new
Speaker 3: sales even without an assessment. That year should never have
Speaker 3: been used as an assessment year. It was the post
Speaker 3: code economy. The Feds were pumping money into the assistance,
Speaker 3: so it wasn't even that our houses were worth where
Speaker 3: our money was worthless. And then he had all these
Speaker 3: people fleeing the coasts from California and New York. They
Speaker 3: come to Ohio, they see a house for two hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, Well, that's nothing to them, And suddenly that
Speaker 3: house is five hundred thousand dollars and then the grandma
Speaker 3: next door with the formica countertops her house is being
Speaker 3: compared to that. They could have just just calmed everybody
Speaker 3: down if they had had avoided that assessment.
Speaker 4: We begged them to, We.
Speaker 3: Begged the governor to do it by executive action, and
Speaker 3: nobody would do it, and they would have worked doing well.
Speaker 1: I just think they get what they asked for, or
Speaker 1: don't ask for. That's this petition.
Speaker 3: Helca Miranda reported a twenty million dollars in excess, and
Speaker 3: did she return that's the taxpayer notes out a vote.
Speaker 3: She gave it to the school She gave it to
Speaker 3: schools without a vote.
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of adding insult to injury thing
Speaker 1: that really gets up people's eyre and gets them to
Speaker 1: sign the petition.
Speaker 3: So it does, Oh boy does it ever? People are
Speaker 3: falling all over themselves. I went to Evanston and just
Speaker 3: got mobbed. You know, I go to the West Side,
Speaker 3: I get mobbed.
Speaker 1: That's great, Sarah Wolf, she's behind the signature gathering campaign
Speaker 1: and the property tax here in Ohio. It will be
Speaker 1: a constitutional amendment and means the legislative brands can't touch
Speaker 1: it once it's there. So think about it and get
Speaker 1: on the signature campaign. Help them spread the signature, spread
Speaker 1: around the petitions, and or at least just sign one. Sarah,
Speaker 1: it's been a real pleasure having you on the program.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your efforts.
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