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<v Speaker 1>It is seven twenty nine fifty five karse de talk

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<v Speaker 1>Wolf to the fifty five Kosse Morning Show. She is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the people behind the signature campaign here in

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<v Speaker 1>Hamilton County to end the property tax is the ballot

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<v Speaker 1>initiue of going around to put on the Ohio Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>uh well, an end of the property tax. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the program, Sarah. Good to have you on today.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning, All right, now, getting ready?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, you know the thing. I love the idea,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you say, I'm not gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay that outrageous tax bill that I face every year

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<v Speaker 1>my wife and I got to give her credit to

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<v Speaker 1>because she's certainly a breadwinner for the family, even more

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<v Speaker 1>so than I am. But it just, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gone up dramatically over the years, and I'm I'm I

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<v Speaker 1>wish I didn't have to pay it. And it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a fun proposition. I sign up, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>petition and we get to vote to end our property taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, who wouldn't really be behind that? But I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I'm just kind of wondering on a more complicated level. Well, then,

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean it's a get your popcorn out and

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<v Speaker 1>put your feed up moment for our elected officials. How

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<v Speaker 1>they're actually going to fund things since everything seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be funded based upon property taxes.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this didn't come out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 3>As you know, we've been trying to get the state

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<v Speaker 3>to reform our property tax system for over a year

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<v Speaker 3>now and they've just kicked the can down the road,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is what has finally gotten their attention. So

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<v Speaker 3>we've got to get it on the ballot just for

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<v Speaker 3>that they're finally paying attention. We've got to get rid

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<v Speaker 3>of this atrocious assessment system. It's arbitrary, it's capricious, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's no validation of the assessment numbers by the county.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody knows what a house is going to sell for

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<v Speaker 3>until it sells. And I always say, well, imagine if

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<v Speaker 3>the IRS could tax the way property taxes are. Imagine, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>imagine if the IRS could say you're making forty thousand

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<v Speaker 3>a year, we think your job is worth one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty thousand a year. You won't make one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty thousand a year. But that's what we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to tax you on. Well, that's what the property tax

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<v Speaker 3>system is, and we just cannot be taxed like this anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that would certainly serve as a foundation for someone

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<v Speaker 1>going in asking for a raise. Wait a minute, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being underpaid. But I mean the sad reality of this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you're working and you've got income and

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<v Speaker 1>your property tax goes up thirty percent, you may get

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<v Speaker 1>hit for I don't know, let's randomly pick a figure

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<v Speaker 1>and extra thousand dollars. You might be able to swallow that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the sad thing, and the sad reality is there

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<v Speaker 1>are many seniors out there who have been in their

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<v Speaker 1>homes for decades. They've paid them off, and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have there are any fixed income, some living only on

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<v Speaker 1>Social Security, and they can barely afford groceries and the

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<v Speaker 1>day to day expenses of just living generally, they can't

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<v Speaker 1>afford that kind of property tax increase.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all. I've got eighty five year olds

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<v Speaker 3>talking about going back to work.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a senior who sold her furniture to pay

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<v Speaker 4>her tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Have seniors calling me all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>It breaks my heart they're worried about how long they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to live and can they afford it, And of

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<v Speaker 3>course they can't sell because anything that they'd buy would

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<v Speaker 3>be more than what they're already paying, so we can't.

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<v Speaker 4>That's no longer taxing.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that is a mafia shakedown.

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<v Speaker 4>At tax should be a.

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<v Speaker 3>Little annoyance, it shouldn't be this life changing punch to

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<v Speaker 3>the gut. And that's what's happening, especially to our seniors

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<v Speaker 3>and our working class people. Because see, it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 3>that property taxes went up the twenty twenty three assessment.

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<v Speaker 3>We expected property taxes were going to go up, but

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<v Speaker 3>we also expected everybody to get about the same across

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<v Speaker 3>the board, and that is not what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got about a third of homeowners.

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<v Speaker 3>In Hamilton County anyway, that live mostly in the working

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<v Speaker 3>class and lower income neighborhoods, who got fifty to four

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<v Speaker 3>hundred percent increases, while another two yes, while another well,

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<v Speaker 3>now I have to take that back.

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<v Speaker 4>I found two people that got five hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we we've got another two thirds that got

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<v Speaker 3>little to nothing. And that includes a lot of our

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<v Speaker 3>elected officials, and they didn't think we'd look into it.

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<v Speaker 4>But we have. So you've got you've got.

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<v Speaker 3>A third of the homeowners just absolutely in a state

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<v Speaker 3>of shock and bewilderment, while the other two thirds are

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<v Speaker 3>going they don't know what the big deal is. We

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<v Speaker 3>can't be tax like this anymore. And there's like I

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<v Speaker 3>said before, there's no validation. Well, and my husband pointed out,

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<v Speaker 3>how did what your house is worth ever get correlated

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<v Speaker 3>to what the government needs to operate?

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway? There's no correlation.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, once upon a time, if you lived in

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<v Speaker 3>a village or something, the townspeople will actually the landowners.

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<v Speaker 3>The landowners would get together and decide they needed a

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<v Speaker 3>school or a bridge or a sheriff, and they would

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<v Speaker 3>come up with how much money they could raise and

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<v Speaker 3>what they wanted to give to do that. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you didn't want to participate, you didn't have a long arm.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the law forcing you to, which is what we

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<v Speaker 4>have now. There's no correlation.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if we get rid of property tax, you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>County commissioners then maybe to raise sales tax in order

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<v Speaker 1>to provide for let's say, the parks and recreations and

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<v Speaker 1>things of that nature. Because I don't see philanthropists stepping

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<v Speaker 1>up to the plate to cover the maintenance of a park,

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<v Speaker 1>for example.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what we really want is a process where everybody's

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<v Speaker 3>got skin in the game. So if that means, like say,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, property taxes was a one time sales tax,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you took a little percentage from income tax

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<v Speaker 3>and a little percentage from sales tax. That way, everybody's

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<v Speaker 3>got skin in the game. What happens now is the

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<v Speaker 3>counties already can raise taxes for levees anyway they can levy.

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<v Speaker 1>Or for stadiums or for stadiums, all right, right, but the.

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<v Speaker 4>Reason they don't, well this should make every homeowner mad.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason that they don't they keep levying property tax

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<v Speaker 3>is that there's way more wage earners than there are

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<v Speaker 3>property owners. So right, so they are happy to vote for.

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<v Speaker 4>A levee that's not going to come out of their paycheck.

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<v Speaker 3>But we just saw last fall they had an affordable

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<v Speaker 3>housing and maybe that was the city. They had an

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<v Speaker 3>affordable housing levee that was going to come out of

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<v Speaker 3>income tax and it failed because you know, we can

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<v Speaker 3>you can't take it out of my paycheck. So we

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<v Speaker 3>just want a system where everybody's a bigger you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a larger pool of tax payers is paying a smaller amount,

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<v Speaker 3>and then everybody's got skin in the game. Property taxes

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<v Speaker 3>is just not that and we were out as hell

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<v Speaker 3>and we're not taking.

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<v Speaker 1>It anymore, right Sarah, hold on, we'll bring you back.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about where the where we can sign up

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<v Speaker 1>for this and maybe some other elements of end the

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<v Speaker 1>property tax Amendment. It's seven thirty five right now. If

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<v Speaker 4>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there're been other balloties very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's very much a shot across the bow. We've

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<v Speaker 3>just got them to act and I you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>seem to be a little bit nervous up there because

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<v Speaker 3>that nobody wants to preside over this, right what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they came up with a legitimate you know,

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<v Speaker 1>palatable legislative solution. I'm just wondering, absolutely, would the signature

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<v Speaker 1>drive in. Would you stop collecting signatures and just end

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<v Speaker 1>the process, or would this thing just I mean, since

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<v Speaker 1>it has legs now and it's very appealing to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people, and I would think Governor to Wine

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<v Speaker 1>coming out against it would probably only help your efforts out.

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<v Speaker 4>It does.

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<v Speaker 3>It does, And I really appreciate you having having me

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<v Speaker 3>on because it seems like when we're out there getting signatures,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody who's heard of it, they are falling all over

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<v Speaker 3>themselves to sign. Yeah, and then you've got people that

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<v Speaker 3>haven't and they need to just hear a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>about the background. You know that we didn't go right

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<v Speaker 3>to this. It's been a long process to get here,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they'll sign. We've got even people that will

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<v Speaker 3>sign to get it on the ballot. They're unclear if

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<v Speaker 3>they're actually vote for it, but they think, yes, this

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<v Speaker 3>is a good shot across the bow, light the fire

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<v Speaker 3>under the Columbus's feet.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>This is pretty much God's battle, and I'm just along

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<v Speaker 3>for the ride. I get it, Sarah, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either, and to me, that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most intriguing elements about it. I almost wanted to pass

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<v Speaker 1>just to see what they do. I'm just thinking it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be like chaos and Columbus, you know, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all gonna die. So who knows. But then again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a property owner. So uh, Sarah Wolf, Now, what

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<v Speaker 1>do my listeners need to do to sign on board?

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<v Speaker 1>If to the extent that they're interested in signing the

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<v Speaker 1>petition to get it on the ballot, where do they go?

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<v Speaker 4>What do they do?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you gonna be that kind of thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the best thing to do is be a circulator,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can email stop Property Taxes at gmail dot

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<v Speaker 3>com and get your own, uh, your own petition to circulate.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got thousands across the county. Now keep in mind

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<v Speaker 3>we do the best thing to do to find out

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<v Speaker 3>where to sign is, at least locally, is to go

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<v Speaker 3>to our Facebook proof that's still going it's Hamilton County,

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio homeowners. I'm having a little trouble getting people to

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<v Speaker 3>post where they're gonna be. But keep in mind, we're volunteers.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have a headquarters. We don't have regular meetings.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have any meetings yet, so just ask around

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<v Speaker 3>because especially on the West Side, there's probably one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty petitions out there. I am going to do

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<v Speaker 3>sort of a pickup weekends. I think that's the weekend

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<v Speaker 3>of the twenty first and twenty second, where we'll have

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<v Speaker 3>some people, you know, anybody who didn't get to sign

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<v Speaker 3>and then if we have to go get the signatures

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<v Speaker 3>of people that can't get out, you know, our elderly,

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<v Speaker 3>then I'm going to get some people to drive around

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<v Speaker 3>and get those signatures as well. You can look up

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<v Speaker 3>Reform Property Taxes dot com I'm sorry, Reform property tax

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<v Speaker 3>singular dot com or just google citizens for property tax

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<v Speaker 3>form in Ohio and you'll find us. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>just all, you know, with our mandate to love thy neighbor,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't have Usually you have a million dollars, millions

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<v Speaker 3>of dollars behind a push like this to get an amendment,

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<v Speaker 3>but always got his God's mandate.

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<v Speaker 1>Grassroots, Hey, hey, it can happen.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at the petition to UH with regard to Hyde

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<v Speaker 1>Park and the Save Hyde Park Square petition that was

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<v Speaker 1>a grassroots effort. It cropped up out of nowhere because

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<v Speaker 1>our government officials were not listening to the heart and

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<v Speaker 1>to the citizens want. And uh, you know this is

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<v Speaker 1>ripe for outrage. These property taxes have gone up way

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<v Speaker 1>too much. And who knew that we're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>this massive real estate value increase. I mean, COVID nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>had a ripple effect that people are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>studying for decades and decades. You know, my property went

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<v Speaker 1>up in value as well, because demand is still out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the first thing we asked them to do is

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<v Speaker 3>just boid that assessment counties are already making a bat

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<v Speaker 3>out seven percent a year through new construction and new

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<v Speaker 3>sales even without an assessment. That year should never have

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<v Speaker 3>been used as an assessment year. It was the post

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<v Speaker 3>code economy. The Feds were pumping money into the assistance,

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<v Speaker 3>so it wasn't even that our houses were worth where

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<v Speaker 3>our money was worthless. And then he had all these

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<v Speaker 3>people fleeing the coasts from California and New York. They

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<v Speaker 3>come to Ohio, they see a house for two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>house is five hundred thousand dollars and then the grandma

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<v Speaker 3>next door with the formica countertops her house is being

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<v Speaker 3>compared to that. They could have just just calmed everybody

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<v Speaker 3>down if they had had avoided that assessment.

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<v Speaker 4>We begged them to, We.

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<v Speaker 3>Begged the governor to do it by executive action, and

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<v Speaker 3>nobody would do it, and they would have worked doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think they get what they asked for, or

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<v Speaker 1>don't ask for. That's this petition.

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<v Speaker 3>Helca Miranda reported a twenty million dollars in excess, and

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<v Speaker 3>did she return that's the taxpayer notes out a vote.

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<v Speaker 3>She gave it to the school She gave it to

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<v Speaker 3>schools without a vote.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the kind of adding insult to injury thing

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<v Speaker 1>that really gets up people's eyre and gets them to

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<v Speaker 1>sign the petition.

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<v Speaker 3>So it does, Oh boy does it ever? People are

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<v Speaker 3>falling all over themselves. I went to Evanston and just

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<v Speaker 3>got mobbed. You know, I go to the West Side,

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<v Speaker 3>I get mobbed.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, Sarah Wolf, she's behind the signature gathering campaign

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<v Speaker 1>and the property tax here in Ohio. It will be

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<v Speaker 1>a constitutional amendment and means the legislative brands can't touch

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<v Speaker 1>it once it's there. So think about it and get

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<v Speaker 1>on the signature campaign. Help them spread the signature, spread

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<v Speaker 1>around the petitions, and or at least just sign one. Sarah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a real pleasure having you on the program.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate your efforts.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk to you again. I really appreciate it too.

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<v Speaker 1>Take care of a great week seven forty eight. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have k CD talk station. I just love rubbing

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<v Speaker 1>our elected officials the wrong way in that regard. Oh well,

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<v Speaker 1>affordable medical imaging save money. You got your property tax increase.

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<v Speaker 1>CT scan because it's all going to the property taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>How about spending four hundred and fifty bucks at affordable

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<v Speaker 1>imaging services to the exact same CT scan on almost

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<v Speaker 1>it's only four hundred and ninety five bucks without an enhancement.

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<v Speaker 1>Or contrast, it's a little bit more than one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty bucks more if you have a contrast. I've

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