Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: I think what?
Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to another edition of seven seven seven. I
Speaker 2: am joined by my co host Nick Nick. Tell him
Speaker 2: what you've been up to?
Speaker 1: What is going on?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: When I was today, I was actually finishing editing up
Speaker 4: a new show, a new episode for.
Speaker 1: It, so on that.
Speaker 4: And I think he's considered that, Oh yeah, he might
Speaker 4: be a gnostic dude. I'm trying to think if he's
Speaker 4: a Gnostic saint or not in the OTO or through
Speaker 4: the EGC. But I do think he's considered a gnostic.
Speaker 4: This guy Manny and Manichism.
Speaker 2: Yet, well he's an extreme duelist, right, and this is
Speaker 2: where we get our Manichy and terminology from yo.
Speaker 4: That guy was he was fucking pretty serious with like
Speaker 4: the nose and don't you know what I found really
Speaker 4: interesting about him? And I was like, all right, I'm
Speaker 4: not the only fucking sick fuck that thinks this way.
Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with people having kids. I
Speaker 4: just decide not to. But he did say he thought
Speaker 4: that people having kids is just perpetuating the issue misery.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: It's always something funny I find about all these radical
Speaker 2: duelists is that they're anti natalists. You know, they don't
Speaker 2: believe that having more children is good because they believe
Speaker 2: this world is evil.
Speaker 4: It's very Yeah, Well the way I look at it
Speaker 4: is like I don't look at it so much as
Speaker 4: a prison planet, but I guess I do it to
Speaker 4: a point to where it's like, well, you don't have
Speaker 4: any prisoners. If there's no prisoners, there's no prison right,
Speaker 4: so us obviously keeping the race going is going to
Speaker 4: keep the prison open.
Speaker 2: It shows an extreme amount of faith and aestheticism. Right
Speaker 2: when people can say it, oh, we're ending at all,
Speaker 2: it's like, wow, you're just gonna take all of this
Speaker 2: world for granted and just throw it all away. So
Speaker 2: if it is a prison planet, that's that's what hell
Speaker 2: of a sacrifice. I think we have a good impact
Speaker 2: on the world for the part I mean. So today
Speaker 2: I wanted to go take a little bit of a detour.
Speaker 2: We've been doing the whole Alistair Crowley seven seven seventh thing,
Speaker 2: but there's a really good video by Gnostic Informat where
Speaker 2: he's breaking down the golden ratio and how it applies
Speaker 2: to Jamatria in the Bible and to five, and so
Speaker 2: I thought we could just do a live reaction to it,
Speaker 2: and so I will bring that up here.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Nastic in Format has a pretty influential channel where he's
Speaker 2: going over a lot of biblical mysteries and biblical stuff,
Speaker 2: but this one is less about the text and more
Speaker 2: about sort of the origin of why people think that
Speaker 2: there is a Bible code. And we see in seven
Speaker 2: seven seven over and over again he's often referring to
Speaker 2: this Bible code, and I think it requires more fleshing out.
Speaker 2: So I thought a quick detour might help people understand
Speaker 2: what we've been talking about on this show just a
Speaker 2: little bit better. So let's start her up. And anytime
Speaker 2: you want me to.
Speaker 1: Just let me just let me just remind the listeners.
Speaker 1: I've mentioned this guy.
Speaker 4: I've tagged him because he you know, on Twitter, unless
Speaker 4: unless you follow each other back, you can't. You can't
Speaker 4: DMN somebody and I have tagged this guy or commented
Speaker 4: on his shit about coming on the show, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just I can't get in touch with them. So
Speaker 4: the listeners, if anybody's active on social media, go over
Speaker 4: there and tag it you and be like when you're
Speaker 4: going on the Occult Rejects because he said yes.
Speaker 2: Thanks, So we need the mob effect. So if you,
Speaker 2: even if you're watching this later, get out there and say, hey,
Speaker 2: nastick it for me. Why don't you go on the
Speaker 2: occult rejects. They like your stuff and it would be
Speaker 2: a great interview, is starting point. So yeah, just let's
Speaker 2: let's make it happen. Everybody, thank you, all right, so
Speaker 2: let's start it here.
Speaker 5: I wanted to jump on here and do respond to
Speaker 5: some of the comments I get about my introduction of
Speaker 5: my live streams. Yesterday I did a whole video on
Speaker 5: the Platonic influence on Genesis, mostly from Plato's Tomais, but
Speaker 5: also other texts like The Statesman's describes a paradise or
Speaker 5: garden of eating like fig place and close to Genesis. Anyways,
Speaker 5: the introduction of my videos usually show the movie Pie,
Speaker 5: where there's this guy sitting in a bar talking to
Speaker 5: a rabbi and he tells them that the Torah is
Speaker 5: like a code sent from God.
Speaker 2: Right, this is not the first sort of biblical movie
Speaker 2: that he's done. He also did that Noah movie, so
Speaker 2: he is very deep into this whole Bible code thing.
Speaker 6: Towar is just a long string of numbers. Some say
Speaker 6: that it's a code sent to us from God.
Speaker 1: And the guy who's like, oh, that's interesting, he'said, oh,
Speaker 1: that's kids stuff. Check this out.
Speaker 5: Garden of Eden condemned and the the Tree of Knowledge
Speaker 5: of good and evil. That's the kayem. It's two thirty
Speaker 5: three and one four.
Speaker 2: That's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just get stuff. Check this out.
Speaker 6: Okay, the word for the Garden of Eden hit them
Speaker 6: miracle translation. Now the value of Tree of Knowledge right
Speaker 6: in the garden right as a jayam.
Speaker 1: Two thirty three to thirty three.
Speaker 5: You can take. You divide those up, and then other
Speaker 5: guy cuts them off and goes, that's Fibonacci sequence.
Speaker 1: Fibonacci. You can take those numbers, so you know, like
Speaker 1: the Fibonacci sequence. Fibonacci.
Speaker 5: Fibonacci's an Italian mathematician in the thirteenth century.
Speaker 2: If you divide one hundred and forty four into two
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty three, the result approaches data theta data
Speaker 2: Greek symbol colden ratio golden spiral.
Speaker 1: Wow, I never saw that before.
Speaker 6: That's like that series you find in nature, like the
Speaker 6: face of a sunflower.
Speaker 2: The spirals.
Speaker 1: You see this math everywhere.
Speaker 6: See.
Speaker 2: Now, he doesn't really get into it too much, but
Speaker 2: I woant to especially stress exactly why they they look
Speaker 2: at FI as being such an important number for the
Speaker 2: Greeks is because it's repeated over and over and over
Speaker 2: again in nature. And so when they're basing all of
Speaker 2: their art and technology and mathematics on this number, it's
Speaker 2: specifically because all of these things are repeating over and
Speaker 2: over again in nature. So this is like following the
Speaker 2: path of the gods or the number numerical values that
Speaker 2: you find in nature first. So you know, he gives
Speaker 2: a lot of credit to the Greeks in this one.
Speaker 2: But I'd say it's.
Speaker 4: Wonder I wonder if that's why Nazis are so big
Speaker 4: into botany. I always wondered that because of that stuff.
Speaker 2: Two, they were huge in trying to figure out the
Speaker 2: laws of nature and the base code of reality. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what they were.
Speaker 1: It's really good. Head plans would be great for that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's make up everything Golden ratio.
Speaker 5: That's the ancient Greeks mathematics.
Speaker 3: Come on, let's go to ancient Greece to the time
Speaker 3: of the Thagoras, the master aghead of them all, the
Speaker 3: father of mathematics and music. You'll find mathematics in the
Speaker 3: hindest places. What first on, need to strength, stretch it
Speaker 3: good and tight. Plucket, Now divide in half. Plunk again.
Speaker 3: You see it's the same tone, one octave higher. Now
Speaker 3: divide the next section and the next. The Thigorists discovered
Speaker 3: the octave had a ratio of two to one with
Speaker 3: simple fractions. He got this how many numbers developed the
Speaker 3: musical scale of today.
Speaker 2: So it's not just in the visual representation, it's also
Speaker 2: in sound. Right, So these are natural expressions of fire
Speaker 2: that get repeated over and over again. This is why
Speaker 2: you would want to encode things in this ratio. Also
Speaker 2: why we see it happening again and again in seven
Speaker 2: seven seven. He's paying attention to things like the Fibonacci
Speaker 2: sequence when it comes to the numbering of words. Just
Speaker 2: a very relevant thing when it when it comes to
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 3: You can imagine how excited the Thagoras was when he
Speaker 3: shared his findings with his Pearls, a fraternity of Higgins
Speaker 3: known as the Pagarians. They used to be in secret
Speaker 3: to discuss their mathematical discoveries these were allowed to attend.
Speaker 2: So again, colleges, what's that?
Speaker 1: Did they really do that with a pentagram on their head?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh sure, okay, And it's it's funny that a guy like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Walt Disney would be producing this because he
Speaker 2: is a member of one of those secret societies. He
Speaker 2: was a member of the what's the children's order for
Speaker 2: the Freemasons called the d Malay Society. He was never
Speaker 2: a full member of the Masons. But if this is
Speaker 2: what they're teaching in the d. Malay Society, that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: But again, all of this stuff used to be passed
Speaker 2: on from generation to generation through the mystery schools, which, uh,
Speaker 2: the Freemasons are a certain iteration of.
Speaker 3: Let's see what the time it is for today. It
Speaker 3: was our old friend Pythagoras who discovered that the pentagram
Speaker 3: was full of mathematic The two shorter lines combined exactly
Speaker 3: equal the third, and this line shows the magic proportions
Speaker 3: of the famous golden section. The second and third lines
Speaker 3: exactly equal the fourth. Once again we have the golden section.
Speaker 3: But this is only the beginning. Hidden within the pentagram
Speaker 3: is a secret for creating a golden rectangle, which the
Speaker 3: Greeks admired for its beautiful proportions and magic qualities. The
Speaker 3: star contains the golden rectangle many times over.
Speaker 2: Just a quick note, though, what was the guest we
Speaker 2: had on who was talking about constructing sacred geometry and
Speaker 2: then realizing, Hey, this is like a portal in a
Speaker 2: whole other world. You got to make this stuff firsthand
Speaker 2: so that you can actually experience it. Once you could
Speaker 2: start to go through the steps to create these different
Speaker 2: you know, ratios and numbers in your own hands, it
Speaker 2: becomes like a portal. And this is why you use
Speaker 2: the sacred geometry in magic, right. So this is very
Speaker 2: applicable to what's coming up next.
Speaker 3: It's the most remarkable shape. It can mathematically reproduce itself indefinitely.
Speaker 3: All these rectangles have exactly the same proportions. This figure
Speaker 3: also contains a magic spiral that repeats the proportions of
Speaker 3: the golden section into infinity. To the Greeks, the golden
Speaker 3: rectangle represented a mathematical law of beauty. We find it
Speaker 3: in their classical architecture. The Parthena, perhaps one of the
Speaker 3: most famous early Greek buildings, contains many golden rectangles. The Erichthion,
Speaker 3: these same golden proportions are also found in their sculpture.
Speaker 2: So again, all of this math maath is found in
Speaker 2: the human form as well, and in perfect proportion to
Speaker 2: one another. It creates the type of beauty that the
Speaker 2: Greeks were obsessed with. So they're saying, not only is
Speaker 2: it found in plants, not only is it found in
Speaker 2: all of these other places, it's found the inside of
Speaker 2: the form that we are brought into it. It's very
Speaker 2: much about insoling or informing the sacred or the beauty
Speaker 2: beyond imagine. Right. So when they talk about the forms
Speaker 2: of Plato, right, so his sacred idea of the forms,
Speaker 2: the perfect forms, this is what they're talking about. This
Speaker 2: is this is how it is I think accurately applied.
Speaker 4: What do you think, nick I was gonna say, I
Speaker 4: even do mentioned that stuff in the Sacred geometry series
Speaker 4: I have is that you know, even some of the
Speaker 4: ones that would look like oh wow, like that looks
Speaker 4: so plain, it's actually built like that. Especially like a
Speaker 4: lot of like the columns in the square looking shit.
Speaker 2: So absolute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when they said that and they started showing the architecture,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, this sounds familiar.
Speaker 2: Right, and this is going to get into Jamatria in
Speaker 2: just a minute. But I thought, you know this is
Speaker 2: this is the perfect application. This is why the Kabbala
Speaker 2: is so important, is because it goes back into this
Speaker 2: Greek stuff.
Speaker 3: In the centuries that followed, the Golden Rectangle dominated the
Speaker 3: idea of beauty and architecture throughout the Western world. The
Speaker 3: cathedral of Notre Dame is an outstanding example. The Renaissance
Speaker 3: painters knew this secret well. Think of a pentagram donald
Speaker 3: now another inside, a third and a fourth. No pencil
Speaker 3: is sharp enough to draw as fine as you can think.
Speaker 3: I have no paper, lark there, it is.
Speaker 2: No pencil is sharp enough to draw a form as
Speaker 2: sharp as you can think. Right. So this is where
Speaker 2: magic really starts to come in. Is because if you
Speaker 2: could start to construct this on paper, you can construct
Speaker 2: it in your mind a lot more. Finally, this is
Speaker 2: what's you know, sharpening your imagination, creating something that is
Speaker 2: beyond even replication. Right, this is why the mind is
Speaker 2: closer to God.
Speaker 1: Right. The news the news, yes, yo, when I when I.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I covered Platinus, like a lot of the stuff,
Speaker 4: like I will be told a lot of stuff I'll read,
Speaker 4: so then if I don't hear it pronounced, sometimes I'm
Speaker 4: just like saying it wrong.
Speaker 1: And I think I called a noose or whatever. I
Speaker 1: called it something no now or some shit like that.
Speaker 4: The whole episode bro and then when I fucking I went,
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, why don't I have
Speaker 4: a feeling I'm saying this wrong? And I threw it
Speaker 4: into an app to say it, and I was like, motherfucker.
Speaker 4: I had to go through the whole show and edit
Speaker 4: every fucking time I said that, I wanted to blow
Speaker 4: my brains out.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I must have said it like fifty times.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean, it's a huge
Speaker 1: thing in that.
Speaker 2: Stuff, right, Like I was thinking about the noose of Zeus,
Speaker 2: right because in the in the that's good, I like that.
Speaker 2: Yet in the Orphic Hymns they talk about all things
Speaker 2: around his head is altered shine, right, So in the
Speaker 2: Orphic Hymn they're talking about the noose of Zeus. Basically
Speaker 2: he's the he's the creator of the matrix, right, so
Speaker 2: you know they make it clear. And also you've got
Speaker 2: Athena who springs from the head of Zeus and Athena
Speaker 2: is wisdom. So it's it's sort of like this is
Speaker 2: the manifestation of the noose of Zeus, or like the
Speaker 2: logos of it. But you know, it's it's a different theology.
Speaker 2: But you know, once you understand it, it's not hard
Speaker 2: to see why it would be copied over and over again,
Speaker 2: kind of like this golden ratio.
Speaker 3: In fact, it is only in the mind that we
Speaker 3: can conceive infinity. Mathematical thinking has opened the doors to
Speaker 3: the exciting adventures of science. Each discovery leads to many others,
Speaker 3: an endless chain. Of course, they are lot these are
Speaker 3: the doors of the future, and the key is right, mathematics,
Speaker 3: the boundless treasures of science are locked behind those doors.
Speaker 3: In time, they will be opened by the curious and
Speaker 3: enquiring minds of future generations.
Speaker 2: In the words of Galilee, isn't that interesting? So they're
Speaker 2: throwing a little bit more magical thinking into this this
Speaker 2: whole milieu by talking about the doors of the future
Speaker 2: are open through mathematics. Our mathematics hasn't progressed at all
Speaker 2: since the nineteen seventies, right, we're still stuck on stupid
Speaker 2: with the string theory and all of the rest of
Speaker 2: these things that are not really progressing human understanding. There
Speaker 2: might be more and better things, but not accepted in
Speaker 2: the world of science. So what they're talking about here
Speaker 2: is breaking everything down into numerical values and using those
Speaker 2: numerical values to construct models, to predict the future and
Speaker 2: to create these different systems. And we're still stuck in
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies. So if you even take this short
Speaker 2: thing seriously, which I think you should, they're saying that
Speaker 2: the doors of the future are kind of being closed
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: So mathematics is the alphabet with which God.
Speaker 5: Has written the universe, the spiral that you see in nature, sunflowers,
Speaker 5: human embryos, galaxies, beautiful faces, the mark of beauty, the
Speaker 5: market of God.
Speaker 1: Good itself up what we said, we have that in
Speaker 1: our cornea. That's well too, yes we do.
Speaker 2: And if you look at the proportions of the eyeball itself,
Speaker 2: you've got the outer circle, the inner circle, the inner
Speaker 2: inner circle, all of these things. Go buy the Fibonacci sequence.
Speaker 1: Oh, even the heart.
Speaker 4: They think about the heart, how that kind of actually
Speaker 4: wraps up tell you the truth, If you think about it,
Speaker 4: you unravel a heart's.
Speaker 2: Yea the heart is kind of a fibonaci spiral right
Speaker 2: there in the middle.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Greeks used to build their temples based on
Speaker 5: the ratio of what it's known as fi. Now the
Speaker 5: movie calls it theta. I have no idea why it's
Speaker 5: not theta, it's fee. So the movie's wrong about that,
Speaker 5: but the movie is correct. People ask me this all
Speaker 5: the time. Here's the answer. They say, is that really
Speaker 5: in the Bible or is that made up? Is hetze
Speaker 5: kayem and condemn when we do gamatria and get their
Speaker 5: numerology when we divide it up, is that the golden ratio?
Speaker 1: The answer is. And people asking what about the Greek side,
Speaker 1: the septuagen is that is that in there too? No,
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 5: The Greek does not have the golden ratio. The Hebrew does. So,
Speaker 5: by the way, first of all, this is weird, also.
Speaker 2: Very important to note because you've got people like Lady
Speaker 2: Babylon sixty sixty six that says that it was written
Speaker 2: originally in uh in Greek. If it was, it would
Speaker 2: be an isopsific values, which would be the Greek version. Yeah,
Speaker 2: totally different exactly. So you do have that sort of
Speaker 2: proof there If it's supposed to be mathematically perfect i e.
Speaker 2: From God, then you've got to go with the Hebrew
Speaker 2: version instead of the Greek version. So that is a
Speaker 2: kind of another proof.
Speaker 5: There, because the Greeks are the ones who invented gamatria.
Speaker 5: The word gamatra is not even a Hebrew word, it's
Speaker 5: a Greek word. It has no Semitic etymology. It's the
Speaker 5: same etymology where we get the word geometry from Greek mathematics.
Speaker 1: Isopsophy they call it.
Speaker 5: And this is Pythagorean numerology, mysticism even the early Now
Speaker 5: he doesn't.
Speaker 2: Really get into it too much, but the idea is
Speaker 2: that isopsaphy is just where you put a little dot
Speaker 2: over each Greek letter representing a number, and so you
Speaker 2: would have to know the numbering system to transform what
Speaker 2: is first a Greek letter into a number. And what
Speaker 2: do we see right here? Eight eight eight, fourteen eighty right,
Speaker 2: All of these different numerical values in here are different
Speaker 2: from Greek to Hebrew. But this is isopsophy being combined
Speaker 2: with jamatri. Jamatri is you know, generally more of a
Speaker 2: Hebrew thing.
Speaker 5: Christians, we're big into this. Eight eight eight is Jesus
Speaker 5: he's the divine logos. There's eight monads in the Greek alphabet.
Speaker 5: When you drop the digama out, there's eight du odds
Speaker 5: and there's eight triples eight eight eight, which is the
Speaker 5: dermatria of Jesus. Jesus in Greek, he's the logos incardinate.
Speaker 5: That's very interesting that Valentinians were obsessed with this. There's facilities,
Speaker 5: the facility.
Speaker 2: This is why I wanted to do this one, because
Speaker 2: you've been working on Valentinus first.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yo' it's funny. I even went through the
Speaker 4: script again last night and like edited again. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: I just need to fucking record this thing. I'm like
Speaker 4: stuck on the script for like weeks.
Speaker 2: Right, So, yeah, is Valentinus obsessed with this, this sort
Speaker 2: of numbering of God.
Speaker 4: Yeah, from what I got out of it, he was
Speaker 4: pretty Uh he was big into that, and I think
Speaker 4: see also I might be confused with a guy I've
Speaker 4: covered so my other ones. Was he also be big
Speaker 4: into rituals too as well.
Speaker 2: Very much. So all of this stuff had to be
Speaker 2: mathematically perfect so that it could resonate with the divine
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's what a lot of people
Speaker 2: are missing on this stuff is that when you write
Speaker 2: these words and these letters, it has to resonate with
Speaker 2: the divine, and five being a divine ratio that you
Speaker 2: can find in nature, and all of these different things
Speaker 2: resonates on the same level as this, uh, this text,
Speaker 2: And that's why it is numbered in that way, is
Speaker 2: because what you're trying to do is to simulate or
Speaker 2: or create a resonance between the words, letters, numbers you're
Speaker 2: writing and all of nature, all of the divine. So
Speaker 2: that that's really what I think it comes down to.
Speaker 1: He was he was a Christian too, wasn't he?
Speaker 2: Yes, he was.
Speaker 1: I wanted to cover him.
Speaker 4: Actually, it's it's interesting around that time that he was around,
Speaker 4: I think, like what I even named it, the episode
Speaker 4: if I stay with it, the War for Christianity, because
Speaker 4: at that time you have all these dudes that actually
Speaker 4: have their own opinions.
Speaker 1: That I mean, it's.
Speaker 4: Actually like, I don't know if they realize how many,
Speaker 4: like how many options there were to finally.
Speaker 1: Choose which one we're going to go with. I don't
Speaker 1: know if a lot of people realize that.
Speaker 2: Right well, by the time everything was sort of distilled
Speaker 2: down into one comprehensive system. They had a lot to
Speaker 2: choose from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, that's why I wanted to show.
Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of people fucking know that
Speaker 4: at all, right, or or people that are considered Christians
Speaker 4: back then.
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize, right.
Speaker 2: So all of it is based upon this theology of number,
Speaker 2: and the theology of number is what we find in
Speaker 2: all of this Kabbala stuff. That's where it's coming from.
Speaker 2: This is like the base level code of reality. That's
Speaker 2: why they wanted it to be perfect, because it's perfect
Speaker 2: in nature. You can follow the path of nature to
Speaker 2: find these perfect ratios, and therefore the word of God
Speaker 2: has to be in that similar form. That's why they
Speaker 2: say every word comes from God. Right, That's what they're
Speaker 2: talking about, and that gets confused for a lot of people.
Speaker 5: The Dean's another gnostic sect a Bractis's name Abrastos means
Speaker 5: three sixty five. He is a time god, the year
Speaker 5: the solar solar cycle of the three sixty five. You
Speaker 5: also have Nero sixty sixty six, so you can see
Speaker 5: Christians are using gamatria. Filo uses gamatria. The Kabbalists use Gamontria.
Speaker 5: People push back against this, and they say this is
Speaker 5: a dubious he has are arbitrarily choosing two random words
Speaker 5: in the Hebrew Bible. Why not Adam's name?
Speaker 1: Why not? I don't know, why not the Tree of
Speaker 1: Knowledge and the Tree of life. Why can't we divide them?
Speaker 2: It is too Adam's name, the Tree of Knowledge is
Speaker 2: the tree of life. All of that is still geometric.
Speaker 2: It's all of the same character, right Adam Cadmon, and
Speaker 2: that same sort of focus towards the number in the
Speaker 2: words that were chosen to be these different characters os up.
Speaker 5: Why does it have to be the Garden of Eden
Speaker 5: and the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil? It's
Speaker 5: a fair pushback, and the reason why is because the
Speaker 5: golden ratio shows up naturally everywhere. So if you start
Speaker 5: taking two random words in Hebrew and just start dividing
Speaker 5: them up, just just keep picking two random words randomly,
Speaker 5: eventually about one hundred times in you're going to get
Speaker 5: the golden ratio.
Speaker 1: And so that's how frequently it shows up.
Speaker 5: But the pushback against that is Kadem and at Sekayim
Speaker 5: are in the same passage together. They're not feel like
Speaker 5: I'm taking a word from Genesis and another word from uh.
Speaker 2: This is why Alistair Crowley has chosen the words and
Speaker 2: the numbers that he did is based upon where they're
Speaker 2: at in the different stories right there. These are the
Speaker 2: essential or the stressed words in the these different sections.
Speaker 2: That's you know again, this is this is what the
Speaker 2: people who are into Kabbala, into these numerical systems are
Speaker 2: looking at. Is because within the given sections of the text,
Speaker 2: that's where you're willing to find those golden ratios again
Speaker 2: and again and again. This is part of the formulation
Speaker 2: of how this religious system.
Speaker 1: Is based.
Speaker 5: Isaiah or even you know numbers and I'm just randomly
Speaker 5: picking those two and putting them together. No, they're in
Speaker 5: the same passage together, in the same chapter, in the
Speaker 5: same versus one verse apart from each other, and they
Speaker 5: have and they're very much related. Codem is the garden,
Speaker 5: the tree of knowledge of evil is what gets them
Speaker 5: out of the garden.
Speaker 1: So you can see it maps.
Speaker 5: It even looks like the golden ratio if you think
Speaker 5: about it, because the garden is that pinpoint, that perfect monad,
Speaker 5: and then you can see the spiraling out into the
Speaker 5: golden ratio, which is the tree of knowledge good and evil.
Speaker 5: So from the one comes the many, so the garden
Speaker 5: of Eden, from eating from the trade of good knowledge.
Speaker 5: They leave the realm of forms, the perfect realm of forms,
Speaker 5: that's all news, it's all intelligible, and they go into
Speaker 5: the realm of matter and decay and death.
Speaker 1: That is now just you know.
Speaker 2: Again what we're talking about there is from the many
Speaker 2: come or from the one comes the many. This is
Speaker 2: very very platonic, right, and that.
Speaker 7: Influence is so much thinking, you know, and that's even kinbalistic,
Speaker 7: which you know, who knows that was influenced anyway, But yeah,
Speaker 7: Cather comes from everything.
Speaker 2: Right, and so once once we can sort of map
Speaker 2: it out in that way, that's when this stuff like
Speaker 2: Kabbala really starts to make sense, is because what they're
Speaker 2: trying to do is say it spirals out from the one.
Speaker 2: And then you've got you know, people like Tool making
Speaker 2: entire albums in the fibonacci because it has always been related.
Speaker 2: This number sequence has been related back to God himself, right,
Speaker 2: the one, the source, the monad, and what we saw
Speaker 2: with the very first thing. Dividing up the different parts
Speaker 2: of the modad gives you different ratios and those different
Speaker 2: ratios have different sounds. Right, this is the idea of
Speaker 2: the emanations of form. And that's why all of this
Speaker 2: stuff is important and plays a role, is because now
Speaker 2: we're starting to see the spiral. And when you can
Speaker 2: see the spiral coming from creation, then the whatever's happening
Speaker 2: in the narrative sort of takes a back seat to
Speaker 2: the perfect ratios that you're trying to create. It's it's
Speaker 2: a different way of looking at it, but I think
Speaker 2: equally is valid.
Speaker 1: You know what the golden ratio. I find it interesting too.
Speaker 4: It's not so much like the golden ratio or spiral,
Speaker 4: oblike if you kind of like I've always wondered like them,
Speaker 4: I have, you know, I question what's out there to
Speaker 4: begin with? And I have wondered if things are going
Speaker 4: on a little bit differently, if they are real out there.
Speaker 4: And the way Tycho brahe kind of looked at it
Speaker 4: is the way I actually thought it would make sense,
Speaker 4: is like it's more of like this sun and the
Speaker 4: moon is spinning around us, and I do wonder, like again,
Speaker 4: it's almost it's not a spiral, but it is like
Speaker 4: a something you know, Oh, it's circular and I've always wondered,
Speaker 4: like just my opinion, I've wondered if the moon of
Speaker 4: the Sun has something to do with that spiral type
Speaker 4: thing going on.
Speaker 2: That kind of gets into Einsteinian physics as well in relativity,
Speaker 2: because you know, as they're moving out there, you have
Speaker 2: a time dilation between you and that object in motion.
Speaker 2: So Tycho Brahe's mathematical modeling of the universe is still
Speaker 2: better than the heliocentric model. Yeah, what how could that be? Well,
Speaker 2: if you go to Einsteinian physics, it kind of has
Speaker 2: an answer for you. There's a time dilation between you
Speaker 2: and that object out there. So if you're looking at
Speaker 2: it from the heliocentric model, it can never be perfect.
Speaker 2: If you're looking at it from your perspective, it has
Speaker 2: more perfection included in those calculations than if you're doing
Speaker 2: it the other way around. So just from the human perspective, again,
Speaker 2: every moment is half you and half of the outside world.
Speaker 2: It's better to start from within as opposed to's starting
Speaker 2: from without.
Speaker 4: One thing I do find interesting too, I didn't notice
Speaker 4: until like recently, maybe the last few months, because of
Speaker 4: some of the guests I've had on I didn't know
Speaker 4: it was a thing where people actually followed Braes's idea
Speaker 4: and didn't really look at couplers. And I was like,
Speaker 4: I should tell you something, if they're ocultist, that they're
Speaker 4: looking at his model in that couplos.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, because it's more mathematically perfect. And that's really what
Speaker 2: made Tycho Brahe the center of the universe is because
Speaker 2: he he calculated it out with his you know, primitive
Speaker 2: instruments to turn into huge machines.
Speaker 1: Do it by eye?
Speaker 4: He was off like an eighth of an arcment. It
Speaker 4: is some fucking ridiculous shit. By eye, dude. He's stuff
Speaker 4: is stuff that like is insane accurate.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and go back and listen to uh accult rejects
Speaker 2: Tycho Brahe. It is very entertaining. You got to get
Speaker 2: into this mathematical way of seeing the world because this
Speaker 2: is how people today even still use these these mathematical models,
Speaker 2: because they still hold up.
Speaker 4: That's why I do think people do get obsessed with
Speaker 4: the skies because of the mathematics and there. I think
Speaker 4: they catch on to that and that and that's what
Speaker 4: gets them going. Because you don't have to really trust, well,
Speaker 4: who the fuck knows what it is. But I'm just
Speaker 4: doing math with what's going on out there.
Speaker 2: Right, zero trust system. You're just using the numbers. This
Speaker 2: is why you've got the trivium grammar, logic, and rhetoric,
Speaker 2: and then the quadrivium which includes astronomy astrology. What they
Speaker 2: were trying to do is use all of the mathematics
Speaker 2: in the universe to fully understand the relationships or the
Speaker 2: associations between all of these things in the heavens that
Speaker 2: have these very periodic cycles to our own lives. Right,
Speaker 2: you're making those strong associations. And again, what we're doing
Speaker 2: is going from numbers to letters to words, to whole
Speaker 2: books to whole chapters. Right, it's the same idea. You're
Speaker 2: just creating those strong associations that appear in nature first
Speaker 2: and then get manifested in other ways into the story.
Speaker 2: And it has a strong, strong power.
Speaker 5: To it.
Speaker 1: That is kind of mind blowing.
Speaker 5: This looks intentional to me, especially when you couple that
Speaker 5: up with what a Filo says, the idea of the documentary.
Speaker 1: Hypothesis that this is a mistake.
Speaker 5: There's two atoms, one in Genesis, two in Genesis three,
Speaker 5: and one of them is made in the image of God,
Speaker 5: and the other one's made from a clump of dust.
Speaker 5: That's people say that's a mistake, but Filo says, no,
Speaker 5: there's two atoms. There's this spiritual perfect atom, and then
Speaker 5: there's the earthly atom.
Speaker 1: Another thing.
Speaker 5: In Plato's Tomaeus, the world's soul, which is created in
Speaker 5: the image of God, and all of humans are created
Speaker 5: in the image of the world's soul, happens to have
Speaker 5: a diad within it, a female life giving aspect, Hava
Speaker 5: eve Zoe. So the world soul is a diad with
Speaker 5: a female spirit, Plato says to himself, he calls it
Speaker 5: a her. He says, her spirit is even older than
Speaker 5: the world's soul itself. So just like Adam and Eve
Speaker 5: are a diad, Plato's world soul is a diad. So
Speaker 5: you and the only two texts in the ancient world
Speaker 5: that have God creating man in the image of God
Speaker 5: is Plato's Timaeus and Genesis.
Speaker 2: Bingo. Now that's important because they're both working off of
Speaker 2: the same mathematical based formulations, and that's why they sort
Speaker 2: of integrate so well with each other. Between Platinism and
Speaker 2: the Bible, these are just two stories using the same
Speaker 2: modeling technique, going back to the golden ratio itself.
Speaker 5: Right, So, yeah, the Gomatria thing, it comes from the
Speaker 5: from the Pythegoreans. That's that's an idea that comes from Greeks.
Speaker 5: The word gomatria is not a Semitic word, has no
Speaker 5: antecedent and and a Semitic word.
Speaker 1: It's it's a Greek word. That's where we get geometry from.
Speaker 5: So I think when you couple that up with Plato's
Speaker 5: influence and you say, wow, they're using two words, they're
Speaker 5: constructing some sort of it looks like they're constructing something here. Now,
Speaker 5: is it possible that the the critic critics are correct,
Speaker 5: this is all just made up, or this is all
Speaker 5: just coincidence.
Speaker 1: It's possible. I'm not closed up that I'm not dying on.
Speaker 5: This hill, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was
Speaker 5: some sort of numer number mysticism thing happening in Genesis.
Speaker 1: There you go promote. That's even something that Pico della
Speaker 1: Mirandel is even known for, is just dragging a you know,
Speaker 1: like Jamatria back into like the Bible and stuff, or
Speaker 1: like using the Kabbala, which would include that with Catholicism.
Speaker 2: That's why this thing is so strange is because he's
Speaker 2: not giving you all of these background details before throwing
Speaker 2: you into the deep end.
Speaker 4: That's why me and you even said that in the
Speaker 4: show that he when it comes to the Jamatria part,
Speaker 4: he's speaking to you as if you're already understand that. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: it's basically what it seems like, right, you know, or
Speaker 4: you have an idea of like about it.
Speaker 2: And he might have been thrown into the deep end
Speaker 2: himself and didn't fully realize it. But by the time
Speaker 2: he's put onto this code, he's already talking in code.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that could be another thing too, right.
Speaker 2: So all of this stuff goes way way back in history,
Speaker 2: with all of these different footnotes and all of these
Speaker 2: different essential parts to understand before even getting to why
Speaker 2: number is also letter is also word, you have to
Speaker 2: understand the basis and the background for it. And I
Speaker 2: think that video really does lay out a good example
Speaker 2: of that, which would be fi, which is where you
Speaker 2: find these numbers in the Bible that associate with five,
Speaker 2: because that is God's number. That's what's being imprinted into
Speaker 2: nature and again making that thing that is the reflection
Speaker 2: of nature is like making a thing that is reflective
Speaker 2: of God. So this is this is the Greek sort
Speaker 2: of cosmological concept, is we're co creators with God. We
Speaker 2: exist on the same plane that is being created and
Speaker 2: on the same level of mathematics and you know, architecture
Speaker 2: and all these other principles that come back to number
Speaker 2: and so this is this is where it's coming from, essentially.
Speaker 2: And I really like the fact that he would lay
Speaker 2: it out in such a Greek way, because far too
Speaker 2: often people lay it out in a Hebrew way and
Speaker 2: that's again throwing you in the deep end without giving
Speaker 2: you the explanation behind it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Really, this was actually really fun. It was a
Speaker 1: good video of the show.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you know, giving people that background information lets
Speaker 2: them know why it's important and why we're doing this
Speaker 2: today is because now you can use those numbers, you
Speaker 2: can use those sequences in your own formulations as you're
Speaker 2: doing magic yourself. That's the important part of seven seven seven.
Speaker 2: It's for the individual user. You're you're just taking the
Speaker 2: same things that all of these other people created society with,
Speaker 2: created these buildings with, created beauty with, and then you
Speaker 2: can use it yourself. You can make it your own.
Speaker 2: And that's why we're doing it, is to allow people
Speaker 2: to use the tools of the elites, because they're not
Speaker 2: really elites. They're all a bunch of dumb asses. They're
Speaker 2: just going by the formula.
Speaker 1: You know. That's funny.
Speaker 2: All right, everybody, Well, thank you for joining us again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank thank you and Austin conform It for making that
Speaker 2: video so we can content farm your stuff.
Speaker 4: Yo, go over to that guy and tell him he's
Speaker 4: got to come on the Occult Rejects anywhere that if
Speaker 4: you happen to follow that guy you're on social media,
Speaker 4: look for him and comment on his shit. Got to
Speaker 4: get him on the show again, he said. He he
Speaker 4: said yes twice publicly, So where the fuck are you
Speaker 4: get them?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 2: Tag him in there. Let's see if we can get
Speaker 2: him on the show. I think you would really enjoy
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff because he really likes this, this
Speaker 2: sort of topic, and we're more than happy to you know,
Speaker 2: talk talk about it with him. So see you guys
Speaker 2: next time. This has been another seven seven seven