Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What? What's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: Welcome everybody to the Headless Giant podcast. You know my
Speaker 3: co host Nick, and now we have a guest. We've
Speaker 3: got King from Channel kok Why don't you introduce yourself Nick,
Speaker 3: and then we'll go to you King.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, Nick, if you already don't know from the
Speaker 2: Occult Rejects, uh yeah. You find everything on shoot Mumble,
Speaker 2: YouTube and all major podcasts. And thank you again Headless
Speaker 2: always look forward to doing this and yeah, looking forward
Speaker 2: to King.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Go ahead, Kings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am King from Channel Koka. Look me up
Speaker 1: for any philosophical or esoteric film movie analysis. It's chum
Speaker 1: Kok on YouTube. I think traveling me on guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing I would like to just mention it
Speaker 2: real quick for people listening and they haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: I think we did it live, right. We did the
Speaker 2: Spider Symbolism live that is up. That is still up,
Speaker 2: so people want to go check that out. It's up
Speaker 2: right now with the audio will drop in a few
Speaker 2: weeks in regular rotation. But that Spider Symbolism series that
Speaker 2: King covered fucking fire, so go check that out.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that was a great episode. So tonight, let's get
Speaker 3: into the symbolism. I guess i'll go first. My symbol
Speaker 3: is Nepher, and it's a very common symbol used a
Speaker 3: lot in ancient Egyptian. Nepher is supposed to be the
Speaker 3: esophagus or the throat, so it's used in words like nefer,
Speaker 3: tit uh, neffer, hotep. All these other Neffer words that
Speaker 3: you've probably heard before come from this one, and it's
Speaker 3: kind of interesting. People thought it was a loot, but
Speaker 3: it's actually supposed to represent the throat, something about singing,
Speaker 3: and it means perfect, beautiful, done. It was also used
Speaker 3: in relationship to grain silos, so when there was no
Speaker 3: more grain in the silo and it was at the
Speaker 3: bottom floor, I said, Neffer, it's done perfect. So I
Speaker 3: don't know. I think it's kind of an interesting symbol
Speaker 3: because good and beautiful and perfect only happens when you're finished.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, when you're done with the product.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when you're done. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like that, So I thought that was a pretty
Speaker 3: cool symbol. Here it is with the higher glyphs. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure what this says, but they use that Neffer
Speaker 3: symbol over and over and over again. So it must
Speaker 3: have been really fucking good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was amazing talking about pizza or something like
Speaker 2: that circle, right, So that's the nice nice Uh if
Speaker 2: you could pull up wine that is the let me
Speaker 2: get my notes up here, that is the uh. Well
Speaker 2: could put algol the Bohemian demon star sigil, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to I guess, I mean, this thing's very old,
Speaker 2: so I mean just could be debatable. But supposedly the
Speaker 2: origins and historical path around the first millennium BCE Egyptians
Speaker 2: log al goals two point eight six day dimming cycle
Speaker 2: and the Cairo's Lucky Unlucky calendar, linking the blink to
Speaker 2: Horace's wrathful eye. The early Islamic Latin Middle Ages around
Speaker 2: the eleventh and twelfth century get Arabic astronomers called the
Speaker 2: star al Ghoul the ghoul interesting, and the astro mags
Speaker 2: group it with fourteen other power stars the Bohemian roots.
Speaker 2: It show up in the Piaka Tricks, which is around
Speaker 2: eleven to twelfth centuries supposedly, and it does show up
Speaker 2: in Where I Got It From around fifteen thirty one
Speaker 2: from Henrik Cornelius is Agrippa and He prints it out
Speaker 2: with the in the three book the Three Books of
Speaker 2: Occult Philosophy, and it does show up in the around
Speaker 2: seventeenth and nineteenth century Renaissance occultists and later astrologers treat
Speaker 2: alcohols the most malific star the blinking eye of Medusa,
Speaker 2: like my boy Headless was telling me earlier. And the
Speaker 2: twenty first century revival online talisman smith's and people casing
Speaker 2: for algols. Who what's that? Oh shit, all right, I
Speaker 2: didn't I had the notes up. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is that noise? I didn't see what
Speaker 2: was going on? Oh what was I saying?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But yeah. It's still is still used like today,
Speaker 2: anatomy of the sigils. You know, I'm just gonna go
Speaker 2: over this real quick. The Agrippin glyph, I think, is
Speaker 2: the one that I'm showing now, Supposedly the forked shaft,
Speaker 2: the spinal and column weapon of Perseus, also the path
Speaker 2: of the eclipsing binary as one star occludes the other.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to represent three terminal cycles is of Medusa, Jupiter,
Speaker 2: and Saturn. Algos ruling planets are the stars triple system
Speaker 2: system nature recognizing recognized by modern astronomy. So it's part
Speaker 2: of a triple system, and there's a trailing bar which
Speaker 2: is supposed to be the severed neck of Coudput without
Speaker 2: the body of Okes decapitation room. But yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds like a powerful star for curses.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. Sometimes just real quick too, if you're
Speaker 2: using it like in you know, supposedly for rituals and stuff.
Speaker 2: The correspondency sometimes could be used with like Jupiter as Saturn,
Speaker 2: but it's the ritual purposes could be boldness and nobility, uh,
Speaker 2: bodily and vulnerability. It also helps the people would use
Speaker 2: it in a lot of amulets too, for protective reasonings.
Speaker 2: But so there you go.
Speaker 3: Looks like a badass key, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I find interesting if it's associated with you know,
Speaker 2: the head too, you know, so you either a meducer
Speaker 2: or Horace's eye. You know, there's a there's a key involved.
Speaker 2: I just find it interesting.
Speaker 3: I wonder what would happen if you drew that on
Speaker 3: your third eye.
Speaker 2: Don't have to try that tomorrow. Oh great fucking king diamond.
Speaker 2: H Yeah, that's it, thank you sir.
Speaker 3: That's pretty awesome though, I mean, you got that cycle
Speaker 3: in there. So if you are doing a curse, you
Speaker 3: you've got that time to you know, really intensify the
Speaker 3: energy in that in that sort of thing. If you're
Speaker 3: going by the Medusa's pyramid or something, you can there's
Speaker 3: a bunch of different numbers there.
Speaker 2: Oh in uh actually which passing though this month that
Speaker 2: uh alcohol Actually uranus is making a rare series of
Speaker 2: conjunctions with algol between July twenty twenty four, maybe twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, So we already kind of like basically went
Speaker 2: through it. But I don't know, so it was gonna
Speaker 2: had maybe I had an influence on people going crazy
Speaker 2: the last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, also reminds me since the key part kind of
Speaker 1: has like three springs on it, kind of three prongs.
Speaker 1: I was online and someone had brought up the symbol
Speaker 1: of the pope staff when we got the new Pope,
Speaker 1: and of course the pope staffs has the three prongs
Speaker 1: on it, and there was you know, pe we're talking
Speaker 1: about all these esthoteric difference symbols that it looks like
Speaker 1: and whatnot, And what it made me think of was
Speaker 1: the honey deepper. And around the same time we have
Speaker 1: all this stuff happening with the bees of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: ally weird things happening with bees are at the same
Speaker 1: time as the pope, and then we have his staff
Speaker 1: kind of clean like a honeydepper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when I when I used to do ritual
Speaker 2: work and I did my water and I would do
Speaker 2: the salt and water. I would dump the salt in
Speaker 2: the bowl and it would used to use that Catholic thing.
Speaker 2: It was like a bowl at the end with the
Speaker 2: continent there, and I would dump it in the bowl
Speaker 2: and spleech like that. It was like going around fucking,
Speaker 2: you know, doing all dramatic you know. But again that's
Speaker 2: almost like the honey the honey depper, I mean the
Speaker 2: same exact kind of look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might be drinking June right now, which is
Speaker 1: fermented tea and honey.
Speaker 3: Nice catch a buzz, so that brings up something. So
Speaker 3: the honey symbolism is kind of interesting. It's also I
Speaker 3: believe this would be one of the keys in the
Speaker 3: Catholic flag, sort of like the key to Hell. It's
Speaker 3: the key to Heaven, key to Hell. You've got to
Speaker 3: have the two keys. And that was much more ancient,
Speaker 3: going back to Hecate and Hekkate has the two keys,
Speaker 3: and she's the key bearer. And I think there's a
Speaker 3: lot of crossover between the Catholic Church and Hecate, especially
Speaker 3: if they're doing goddess magic in there. Like what the
Speaker 3: site was devoted to originally was a Kaibli like goddess
Speaker 3: from the Etruscans before the Romans even got there. So
Speaker 3: the entire thing is built on top of this goddess worship,
Speaker 3: and that's one of the keys. And what's interesting is
Speaker 3: Medusa's relationship to seers and the oracle at Delphi, and
Speaker 3: the oracle at Delphi was very much related to the
Speaker 3: idea of honey because the Melisa were the priestesses there,
Speaker 3: and so the priestesses with this honey are the ones
Speaker 3: that would deliver the oracle. And if you look at
Speaker 3: the omfulst that they have there, the stone that represents
Speaker 3: the navel of the world, it's got this netting over
Speaker 3: top of it that makes it look like it's crawling
Speaker 3: with bees. So the Omfullest, or the navel of the world,
Speaker 3: the thing that unites Earth and Heaven, is coated with
Speaker 3: B symbolism. And you see the Mormons they've got the
Speaker 3: B symbolism too, So There's something really deep about the
Speaker 3: idea of this sort of prophetic honey either going to
Speaker 3: the underworld again almost immortality being invoked there as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I see in the comments Joey's was doing
Speaker 1: some wordplay and connected Medusa and then rearranging the lighters
Speaker 1: be seduced e A. But I would put the e
Speaker 1: a to be a like Ether. It would be like
Speaker 1: seducing mm.
Speaker 2: Or even like you.
Speaker 1: I love you have the Black Widows doing honey Potty
Speaker 1: and uh, that's why I would connect Medusa to like
Speaker 1: like a darker feminine you know, kind of like Suckerbis
Speaker 1: kind of of a thing as well. So it's interesting
Speaker 1: that how you could get honey Potty being seduction and
Speaker 1: Medusa and Ether all connected. Beer.
Speaker 2: Well, there's what's that stuck in the life an.
Speaker 3: Well, there's two myths around Medusa. What is that she
Speaker 3: was raped by Poside inside of Athena's temple and that
Speaker 3: is what caused Athena to want to relieve her of
Speaker 3: the burden of being human, so she turned her into
Speaker 3: a monster. That's where this gorgon comes from. And so
Speaker 3: you've also got the idea that maybe she was doing
Speaker 3: it willingly. Which is what made Athena mad and then
Speaker 3: turned her into Medusa. But this Medusa character was supposed
Speaker 3: to be down in Libya. I believe, so Percy has
Speaker 3: had to go all the way down to Africa to
Speaker 3: slay Medusa and bring her head back up to you know, Greece.
Speaker 3: So there's there's an interesting sort of a journey taking
Speaker 3: place there, and that that eye of al Goal representing Medusa,
Speaker 3: it's connected to so much other stuff. It's connected to addiction,
Speaker 3: it's it's connected to basically, you know, all of the
Speaker 3: worst traits. It's right there, turning you to stone. You know,
Speaker 3: all these different things that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Tie you down. So emails, I think I got a
Speaker 3: couple of questions. Oh I want to go through that.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah, I wonder if people never have questions
Speaker 2: that might be worth entertaining.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So it says I was born on the cusp of Pisces,
Speaker 3: which is water, and Aries, which is fire. I always
Speaker 3: feel like the water of my Pisce sign has put
Speaker 3: out my dreams and aspirations, my whole life of my
Speaker 3: Aris fire. I'll start to do something I'm really good
Speaker 3: at it, and then all of a sudden I'll stop.
Speaker 3: I'll feel like it has kept me from going anywhere.
Speaker 3: Can that be true? I also feel like I'm clairvoyant,
Speaker 3: but I just don't have it all down. I'm a bess.
Speaker 3: What do you suggest? Do we have some astrology doctors?
Speaker 2: I mean, I would say that's probably just life in
Speaker 2: general making you feel like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I think, I think. I think it's interesting. I
Speaker 1: often and I'm not. I'm a you know novice that
Speaker 1: many master of nuts and mentality, but when it comes
Speaker 1: to astrology or any kind of zoodiical kind of mindset,
Speaker 1: I see it more as archetypal and alchemical. How you know,
Speaker 1: some people can connect and do some amazing work together.
Speaker 1: Some people are like oil and water. They just can't
Speaker 1: get along, they can't work together. And that also goes
Speaker 1: inwardly with how you interact with yourself. And so if
Speaker 1: you're trying, if you feel like part of you is
Speaker 1: trying to do something and another part of you is
Speaker 1: kind of at war with yourself, you know, you can
Speaker 1: always look at your the rest of your chart. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know the rest of your chart
Speaker 1: or you've talked to an actual astrologer who knows their stuff,
Speaker 1: look at your other chart to see what your other
Speaker 1: alignments are, and you know, taking consideration of those elements,
Speaker 1: pretend like you're alchemists in your own mind kind of
Speaker 1: you can always do that. Something that I think this
Speaker 1: is good for men or women is have a stoic
Speaker 1: mindset of and I think that that's helped me a
Speaker 1: lot to separate the inn around the world. So I
Speaker 1: think that another part of it is to kind of
Speaker 1: understand that. And the last thing that will say on
Speaker 1: it is maybe if you're kind of at war with
Speaker 1: yourself and you can't get your your feet to you know,
Speaker 1: take that first step into whatever venture that you want
Speaker 1: to go go into find you know, maybe find a
Speaker 1: way to motivate yourself. Picture what you want, and then
Speaker 1: write down the first steps on how you how you
Speaker 1: would achieve that, and then do little by little like
Speaker 1: and need to do this to get this, this to
Speaker 1: get this, because that's that's in story writing. The guy
Speaker 1: who writes South Park Lea died an amazing video on
Speaker 1: how to write your story, and you need that to
Speaker 1: get from A to B. So maybe just write down, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I want, this is how I get it,
Speaker 1: and then just do it, don't think about it. That's
Speaker 1: the your's journey. Just jump, don't think about the jump.
Speaker 1: Just jump.
Speaker 2: It would be my screw the fear as in aries.
Speaker 2: But I'm on the cost of for tours, and I'll just
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put this. I'm gonna just be honest and
Speaker 2: put it in my own perspective. I guess try to
Speaker 2: put myself in. You know, I've been in this person's situation.
Speaker 2: I think before if I think about it a lot
Speaker 2: of times. For me, if I'm getting into something that
Speaker 2: I'm into passionate about but yet I can't finish it.
Speaker 2: For me, it is normally maybe I'm doing something I'm
Speaker 2: passionate about, but somehow it's in a constrained to somebody
Speaker 2: else's uh form. It would be just using Headless as
Speaker 2: an example that saying he does this. Let's say I
Speaker 2: told Headless I want to do this topic on the
Speaker 2: show for myself. I was gonna do a solo, and
Speaker 2: then he tells me how to do it. May I'd
Speaker 2: be what I envisioned in my head. So now I'm
Speaker 2: still doing what I like. But it's not you know,
Speaker 2: that could be it, Uh, there could be something else
Speaker 2: going on life that has me very upset and makes
Speaker 2: me think less than of myself, and I start thinking
Speaker 2: less than of myself and the work that I'm doing,
Speaker 2: and then I'll stop. So maybe certain things like that.
Speaker 2: Take a look at maybe other things in your life
Speaker 2: that might be upsetting you and see if that's sort
Speaker 2: of flowing into the things that you like doing.
Speaker 3: Very good advice. I think a lot of us get
Speaker 3: into that mindset. And if I was going to make
Speaker 3: any sort of suggestion, maybe try either chigong or tai chi.
Speaker 3: It's a great way to just slow things down. Having
Speaker 3: the fire and water signs together. I think that's a
Speaker 3: good recipe for steam. So maybe think about chilling out,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. I think there's a lot
Speaker 3: you could do with it, you know, I mean, look
Speaker 3: at your planetary signs preferably, and start to redecorate in
Speaker 3: the way that you want to see yourself, because how
Speaker 3: you see your living arrangement around you is how you
Speaker 3: eventually reflect on yourself. So always make sure that your
Speaker 3: environment is in the type of configuration that would be
Speaker 3: most conducive to what you're trying to accomplish. That's an
Speaker 3: amateur functui. If you want to get it deep into it,
Speaker 3: there's all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 2: I like that. You know, sometimes there's a deep reflection
Speaker 2: about what actually is going on and looking at it
Speaker 2: from an above view, you know, right, some self reflection
Speaker 2: can just help you. I love that.
Speaker 3: I love it. So let's go to you king, let's
Speaker 3: hear about some of your experiences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, something that to start off with. Something that
Speaker 1: I don't really talk about much when it comes to
Speaker 1: these groups of esoteric thought and it's the cult, philosophy, spirituality,
Speaker 1: all this kind of friend stuff that circles I run
Speaker 1: around online, is that in my personal life is I
Speaker 1: was born with syllable polesy. And if you're unfamiliar with
Speaker 1: super polesy is it's essentially like a neological muscle quote disability,
Speaker 1: which I kind of disavow, kind of that word I
Speaker 1: usually refer to as a condition. The reason why I
Speaker 1: start off with this is I've had many spiritual and
Speaker 1: paranormal experiences in my life, and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: all negative to the fact that I have superlel polesy.
Speaker 1: So essentially, how civil posing in my case at least
Speaker 1: happened was at some point in the birthing process, I
Speaker 1: got more liquid, more water in my brain than the
Speaker 1: normal person, and so it it's on my right side.
Speaker 1: And so your right side of the brain controls the
Speaker 1: left side of your body. So my left side of
Speaker 1: my of my body, my muscles are always tense, and
Speaker 1: I have to put a lot of thought and effort
Speaker 1: into even moving them on their own. It's like like
Speaker 1: a poor connection. Like think of like during a storm
Speaker 1: and you're trying to talk on the phone doing a
Speaker 1: storm or something, and you just it is bad reception,
Speaker 1: but you can still kind of hear it. That's kind
Speaker 1: of how it is. Like I my right side has
Speaker 1: to really assist my left and through that I have
Speaker 1: from a very early age, I've had this diffinance in
Speaker 1: my physical body and my spirit because I have a
Speaker 1: lot of energy. I have a lot of things I
Speaker 1: want to physically do, and trying to get my body
Speaker 1: to do it or find ways to achieve it and
Speaker 1: kind of communicate and translate that into the physical it's
Speaker 1: always been really challenging for me. It's been an an
Speaker 1: extra opt in doing so. I have drawn inward from
Speaker 1: a very early age, and I think that drawing inward
Speaker 1: to myself and having the these hermit like moments in
Speaker 1: my life as made uh. I've been at the perfect
Speaker 1: catalyst to have these paranormal, uh spiritual experiences. For instance,
Speaker 1: when I was very very young, it was the first
Speaker 1: time I ever went hunting.
Speaker 3: UH.
Speaker 1: My one of my first friends from elementary school, UH,
Speaker 1: he was moved. He moved. I live in the kind
Speaker 1: of the heart of America in the in the Midwest region.
Speaker 1: Some of my my first friend, he moved from the
Speaker 1: East Coast to the Midwest beach region and his family
Speaker 1: bought a farm and I was staying over at his
Speaker 1: house and his dad and brother decided to go hunting
Speaker 1: in the morning. And it was the first time I
Speaker 1: had for hunting with anyone, and we took a It
Speaker 1: was me and my friend. This was like second or
Speaker 1: maybe third grade, and we had just had a BB
Speaker 1: gun and we was hunting small game like squirrels, rabbits,
Speaker 1: things like that. His dad and older brother was hunting
Speaker 1: bigger game and they had woods still on their farm
Speaker 1: property and we was just hunting on their property. And
Speaker 1: the reason I bring where they're from is these are
Speaker 1: people from the East Coast who you know, maybe wasn't
Speaker 1: familiar with the area or whatnot. They're kind of more
Speaker 1: city and they're getting used to country life, because you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted more of a simple, laid back life. And uh,
Speaker 1: when we get into the woods, my friend and I
Speaker 1: went one way and his dad and brother went the
Speaker 1: other way, and my friend had to be begun and
Speaker 1: I was following, uh, shortly behind him. And we had
Speaker 1: seen something moving and I think it was a rabbit.
Speaker 1: And we followed for a little while, and then at
Speaker 1: one point he's a bit ahead of me and he
Speaker 1: calls me over. He goes king, you need, you need,
Speaker 1: you need to come in and see this, and and
Speaker 1: I could tell in his voice like something was odd.
Speaker 1: And so I go over there expecting, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: the rabbit is doing something weird or something. But no
Speaker 1: way you see is there's these grouping of trees. In
Speaker 1: the shadow of one of the trees, there is a
Speaker 1: stereotypical Native American spirit, like full on Indian garbs and
Speaker 1: anything like what you would picture as in like Pocahontas
Speaker 1: or something night and he had some kind of spear
Speaker 1: stuck through him and it stuck through the tree and his.
Speaker 2: Eyes are glowing oh man.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like if you ever seen the
Speaker 1: anime in Yasha how in Yasha is has the a
Speaker 1: arrows and he stuck to the tree. It was like
Speaker 1: that but a Native American spirit. And it freaked us
Speaker 1: out and we that's the fastest I've ever ran. And
Speaker 1: he ran all the way through the forest through his
Speaker 1: barn back into his uh, back his back door, which
Speaker 1: like withnaked, to his kitchen and where his mom was
Speaker 1: taking breakfast for all of us. Returned and we're like,
Speaker 1: we just saw this ghost. It's crazy. We were like
Speaker 1: freaking out, and his mom had to call his dad.
Speaker 1: His dad came back, and it was it was a
Speaker 1: pretty intense moment. And I still remember with that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's such a vivid memory. And kind of end
Speaker 1: this story epilog to it is after we got older,
Speaker 1: we got into different classes in the middle school and
Speaker 1: high school, so we started getting other friend groups. We
Speaker 1: still talked, but we wasn't as clothes as what we
Speaker 1: was when we was kids. And when we graduated high school,
Speaker 1: I was just hanging out in the library and I
Speaker 1: saw him and we started just chatting up. Hey, you remember,
Speaker 1: you know all the stuff we did when we was kids,
Speaker 1: and I go, hey, yeah, you remember that time we
Speaker 1: went hunting and we saw that ghost, and me growing
Speaker 1: up since I had even more paranormal experiences after that
Speaker 1: and everything I had just you know, gone down the
Speaker 1: rabbit hole of researching all this stuff, and so I
Speaker 1: was open through these ideas. But as soon as I
Speaker 1: mentioned mentioned that shared experience we had, he freaked out
Speaker 1: and he was yeah, my dad went back like the
Speaker 1: next day and he didn't see anything, and so that
Speaker 1: was just our kid imaginations and like he was so
Speaker 1: apprehensive about it, like he did not want to talk
Speaker 1: about it whatsoever. He was this freaking yeah.
Speaker 2: So how many was that there was? Just it was
Speaker 2: two of yous, right or was it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just two of us.
Speaker 2: But there's still as well that like if two people
Speaker 2: saw the same ship. Well, when you said we, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh boy, that just made it interesting. Both
Speaker 2: of the sort said he both ran. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh wow, it's not just him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 2: Yes, there have.
Speaker 3: You looked into the area at all to see if
Speaker 3: there was uh tribes or some battles or something that
Speaker 3: went on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was civil war battles all over here. I
Speaker 1: have another friend who I still talked to this day,
Speaker 1: and we went to elementary school together as well, and
Speaker 1: he actually had and this is his experience is not mine,
Speaker 1: so I can't talk much about it, but he has
Speaker 1: shared with me that he has dreams till this day
Speaker 1: about Civil War battles and like giant wolverine wolves, like
Speaker 1: like giant wolf wolf figures and giant battles and all
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. And when we was in the
Speaker 1: elementary school, one of the field trips that every grade
Speaker 1: has to go to is we have to go to
Speaker 1: where these were this in particular battle of this area
Speaker 1: was was fought and it says the creepy area. And
Speaker 1: but like in elementary school, they have every class go
Speaker 1: to it and walk around and share this history. So
Speaker 1: there is a lot of Civil War, you know, and
Speaker 1: in this area, you know, there was a lot especially
Speaker 1: during the Civil War there was this fact, you know,
Speaker 1: this expresially in this area, back and forth on what
Speaker 1: side we was going to fight on, whether it was
Speaker 1: with the Confederacy, you know, or the Union in all
Speaker 1: this and that. So it's a lot and up you
Speaker 1: know a lot of native tribes and Indian lords from
Speaker 1: this area as well as far as more specifically where
Speaker 1: his his farm was, which his family didn't live there anymore.
Speaker 1: I would I would have to get in contact with him,
Speaker 1: and I can't really remember exactly where his farm was located,
Speaker 1: so I would have to get back with him and
Speaker 1: figure out what the area. Look at it up on
Speaker 1: a map and try to figure that out.
Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like it could be ritualistic, so there
Speaker 3: might be mounds thereby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have.
Speaker 3: A lot of mountains in your area?
Speaker 1: Ah, we have a lot of cave systems. We have
Speaker 1: a excessive amount of of cave systems of this area
Speaker 1: and mountains and forests. And it's uh, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: interesting about that. And another experience I've had growing up
Speaker 1: was I swear that and this is the only experience
Speaker 1: that that I had. That's what even younger than my
Speaker 1: other experience. I just heard, you guys, my first family home,
Speaker 1: I've swore that my the hallway at least was haunted.
Speaker 1: And of course this could just be a kid being
Speaker 1: afraid of the dark, you know, one could say that
Speaker 1: or whatever, but I feel like there was more to it.
Speaker 1: In my the first house that my parents had when
Speaker 1: I was growing up and my sister. My sister was
Speaker 1: just a baby at a time, and my bedroom was
Speaker 1: at the very end of the hall and I would
Speaker 1: have waking false awakening like dreams before I even knew
Speaker 1: what false awakening dreams and all this stuff kind of was.
Speaker 1: I was, like I said, I was super young at
Speaker 1: this point, where I would wake up and something would
Speaker 1: come out of the hallway into my bedroom, like some
Speaker 1: kind of Demarnic like thing and attack me. And then
Speaker 1: like I would have dreams, I would be like, I
Speaker 1: would like wake up and I would fall out of bed,
Speaker 1: and what I would think would be when of my
Speaker 1: parents come and grab me from the floor and put
Speaker 1: me back on my But wasn't my parents. There's something
Speaker 1: betraying to be my parents. I would even have these
Speaker 1: really weird dreams of my mom fixing as a dinner
Speaker 1: and she would have make a biscuit for everyone, and
Speaker 1: so we would sit. In my dream, we would my
Speaker 1: mom would sit down and put our plates in front
Speaker 1: of us, and then everyone would get a biscuit, and
Speaker 1: then she would have one actual biscuit and we would
Speaker 1: have to take turns in this dream. And of course,
Speaker 1: because it was my dream, it would always my turn
Speaker 1: and take that extra biscuit and set it at the
Speaker 1: start of the hallway. And again, I'm young. I don't
Speaker 1: know about things like offerings and things. So this is
Speaker 1: a pure dream with unh program stuff. And you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was watching horror movies.
Speaker 2: So on the young to get that idea from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in my story, in my dream, I would
Speaker 1: always be super scared about it, and I would take
Speaker 1: this this extra biscuit and say that that started my hallway.
Speaker 1: And then for a second, nothing would happen, and I'll
Speaker 1: be like, well, I'm so hungry, I want to extra biscuit.
Speaker 1: Like nothing's happening, So then I would take the biscuit
Speaker 1: back and eat it. Then something would come out of
Speaker 1: the hallway and attack me. Uh. The last dream in
Speaker 1: the series of dreams that I will share with you
Speaker 1: is I had this Probably one of the craziest ones
Speaker 1: I had was I was it will be a dream
Speaker 1: of me setting on the couch and my baby's sister
Speaker 1: like on the other side of the couch, playing down
Speaker 1: when she was like still like a toddler kind of infant,
Speaker 1: and my dad would in my dream would have this
Speaker 1: brown blanket that we had when I was younger, and
Speaker 1: he would dreep it over his face and pretend like
Speaker 1: he was a ghost, and he would be like, oh, look,
Speaker 1: I'm a ghost. And then as he's doing this, I
Speaker 1: would look over, and I'm out of the hallway. Something
Speaker 1: that looked identical to my dad with that blanket over
Speaker 1: his head would walk out of the hallway and then
Speaker 1: say in between on the couch in between me and
Speaker 1: my sister, And in my dream, I was forced to
Speaker 1: look over at it, even though I knew it wasn't
Speaker 1: my dad with a blanket, because he was in front
Speaker 1: of me, and I would left up the blanket and
Speaker 1: I would see this demonic face. And I had all
Speaker 1: kinds of dreams like that involving this hallway, where like
Speaker 1: I would get up in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: and down the hallway and there would be like a
Speaker 1: and like little young child with like a bullhead in
Speaker 1: my sister's room, and they would come out of her
Speaker 1: room and charge and hit me in the chests and
Speaker 1: rain me up against the wall and all the and
Speaker 1: I was just terrified of this hallway, like as she
Speaker 1: like hysterically terrified of it.
Speaker 3: That's really interesting. Yeah, that that could definitely be associated
Speaker 3: with sort of picking up on a different frequency that's
Speaker 3: happening that other people aren't really catching on to.
Speaker 2: I remember when I was younger, you know, we my
Speaker 2: family believed that the house was one of my parents
Speaker 2: already did. So it wasn't like too hard to convince me.
Speaker 2: You know, my parents already believed. You know, I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm not crazy for thinking this. They think
Speaker 2: it too, But I mean, definitely weird stuff happened. But
Speaker 2: you know, talking about the whole way, I just remember
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it brought into like the whole
Speaker 2: fact that like I, my dad, and my mom all
Speaker 2: of us have seen like shadows, like we had the
Speaker 2: whole way between like the livery, like you'd come in
Speaker 2: the house, have like the fireplace, and then like the
Speaker 2: living room, and then they'd be like a bedroom, and
Speaker 2: then like a whole way another bedroom and then the kitchen.
Speaker 2: So in between like the living room and the kitchen,
Speaker 2: you could see like a shadow, like literally like somebody
Speaker 2: just walked down the fucking hallway. It was like all
Speaker 2: three of us have seen that. And there was one
Speaker 2: time where my mom thought the cap was rubbing against
Speaker 2: a leg for a minute and then look down to
Speaker 2: go like, you know, Petras say something that was like,
Speaker 2: nothing's there. She was like tough. So I have my
Speaker 2: mom told me these stories too, So I was all
Speaker 2: like this fucking the house is fucked up. As a kid,
Speaker 2: I was already you know, I was scared of the
Speaker 2: basement for sure. Now yeah, yeah, those one of those
Speaker 2: when you go up the stairs you're like running looking
Speaker 2: behind you. I was like a little kid, Yeah, keep
Speaker 2: it real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting. I growing up, I was always
Speaker 1: very imaginative, and you know, I had imaginary friends and everything.
Speaker 1: I liked Betina like I was fighting ninja's. I was
Speaker 1: really into to think of the knitter turtles and stuff.
Speaker 1: So with pretin like I was fighting invisible ninjas and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And then I wanted to be like everyone else. And
Speaker 1: I saw the kids arounding maturing, and they wasn't out
Speaker 1: playing with their imaginations a lot. And so instead of
Speaker 1: just quitting, I had this weird ceremony. I did that.
Speaker 1: Thinking thinking back on it, I'm like, why did I
Speaker 1: do the ceremony as a kid? Uh? And essentially what
Speaker 1: it was is I had a goodbye party for all
Speaker 1: my imaginary friends. Would I imagine my house like full
Speaker 1: of my imaginary friends and we all highlight drinks and
Speaker 1: we was all I was saying goodbye to each and
Speaker 1: every one of them. And I walked around my house
Speaker 1: and I ended in my bedroom instead of just having
Speaker 1: them fade away, and imagined them being sucked into my forehead,
Speaker 1: which at this young age I didn't really know what
Speaker 1: third EyeT was and everything. I just wanted to keep
Speaker 1: them with me. And as I was growing up, instead
Speaker 1: of out orderly playing with imaginary friends, I would like
Speaker 1: put on headphones, listen to music, or just say in
Speaker 1: my room or pace or something that was kind of
Speaker 1: easy to do, and I would go inward and I
Speaker 1: will like imagine like a movie in my head where
Speaker 1: I would I would have you have like my I
Speaker 1: would usually referred him as Spencer. For some reason, I
Speaker 1: was called a Spencer, but it was my idellic version
Speaker 1: of myself that would be going on all these adventures
Speaker 1: and everything. I think that's why, UH storytelling had always
Speaker 1: been all these archetypes of things had always drawn to
Speaker 1: me because I had I've done ever since I was younger.
Speaker 1: I would get into these meditative space spaces, and like
Speaker 1: I was there, and even if I was setting down
Speaker 1: doing it and visualizing these adventures and everything, I would
Speaker 1: be rocking. And the more I would get into it,
Speaker 1: the harder I would like rock. And my family would
Speaker 1: always kind of tease me, like, oh, Chris, you're dissing
Speaker 1: your room, like rocking a lot, or you're pacing and
Speaker 1: stuff like this, And I would like imagining all these
Speaker 1: crazy scenarios and everything, and so I've I've always kind
Speaker 1: of drawn kind of that inward, and I think that's
Speaker 1: also part of it, because I've had this other experience
Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty one, I believe, So this is
Speaker 1: later in my adult life. Well, I had another false
Speaker 1: awakening dream, but I officer don't think it was a
Speaker 1: false awakening dream. I think it was masquerading as a
Speaker 1: false awakening dream because basically what happened was, I had
Speaker 1: this quote dream where I woke up immediately decided, Hey,
Speaker 1: I want to make some eggs, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: my end. I start making eggs. But then as I'm
Speaker 1: making eggs, I'm just like, wait a second, was there
Speaker 1: some people at my table in my dining room and
Speaker 1: I turned around and there were four drag aliens setting
Speaker 1: out my dining room table in this dream, and as
Speaker 1: soon as I turned around and see them, it goes white.
Speaker 1: And the next thing I remember is I'm in this
Speaker 1: dark room where I'm setting on this like metal chair,
Speaker 1: and there's other like ropes or chairs beside me, but
Speaker 1: it's dark, so I can't really see if there's other
Speaker 1: people or not. And in front of me there was
Speaker 1: like a like a projected screen from the light coming
Speaker 1: from behind me, and there was a human woman and
Speaker 1: she's projecting these scenes that looks something like something from
Speaker 1: the Sound of Music, where it's this same woman in
Speaker 1: these videos and pictures with children running through a field
Speaker 1: of butter flights, and she's trying to plead to us
Speaker 1: that it wasn't up to her that she had to
Speaker 1: take the children to see the butterflights, but she's hysterical
Speaker 1: about it. And right when that scene ends, it goes
Speaker 1: wide again. Then then I start to feel myself like
Speaker 1: I can start feeling my body and it's just like
Speaker 1: a white light, and but the white white is like piercing,
Speaker 1: like it could feel like kind of go through me.
Speaker 1: And I'm getting more and more senses of my physical
Speaker 1: body again, and I feel like I'm being lowered. And
Speaker 1: so what I think it was was at this moment
Speaker 1: because I've had out of body experiences kind of before,
Speaker 1: so I felt like it was kind of like a
Speaker 1: like a returning to my body that goes being lowered
Speaker 1: back into myself. And but I couldn't open my eyes.
Speaker 1: I knew this white light with like piercing almost like
Speaker 1: you have like at the dentist office or something. And
Speaker 1: then I wake back up and my my TV is on,
Speaker 1: which I hardly ever follow shit with my TV on,
Speaker 1: and I don't remember having my TV TV on prior
Speaker 1: to this, but you know how Netflix will like cycle
Speaker 1: it through art. And the cover art was for some
Speaker 1: Christmas thing that's called Alien Christmas, which has a clay
Speaker 1: mation of a gray alien dressed by Santa Claus and
Speaker 1: it's and I'm just like, what is this image? Why
Speaker 1: is it online TV? And then here's a crazy thing.
Speaker 1: When I wake up, I realize it's winter time. I'm
Speaker 1: pulled and I remember falling asleep with a hoodie on,
Speaker 1: so I I uncover my blanket and I realized my
Speaker 1: hoodie isn't on me, anymore. And the hoodie I was
Speaker 1: wearing is now folded up at the front of my
Speaker 1: bed inside out. And something that you know when I
Speaker 1: came back from my disability is when it comes to
Speaker 1: long sleeves, it's harder for me to put on because
Speaker 1: I can't really move my left hand, so my right
Speaker 1: side has to help my left arm get into long sleeves.
Speaker 1: And so it takes conscious, conscious effort for me to
Speaker 1: actually put on like long steadies and things. So it's
Speaker 1: not like something I could do half asleep or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I really think about what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have to have conscious thought about it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, And so around that time in my life,
Speaker 1: I was going through I guess what some may say
Speaker 1: a dark knight of the soul. I was in a
Speaker 1: highly emotional state, going through a lot of tourmoil in
Speaker 1: my life and everything at the moment, and so I
Speaker 1: had a lot of emotions I was trying to process,
Speaker 1: and I had things like that happening to me.
Speaker 3: I think you got incepted for a corporate espionage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some wild stories. That's some wild dreams too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were saying something before this is shows like
Speaker 2: two or three stories ago that made me wonder about
Speaker 2: something with my self. I think you were talking about
Speaker 2: like maybe memories or childhood memories. Do you ever wonder if, like,
Speaker 2: have you ever had like childhood memories? I even guess
Speaker 2: for you had listen if you ever had like childhood
Speaker 2: memories that you look back and you're like, is that real?
Speaker 2: Or it's like or is that like is this gonna
Speaker 2: sound crazy? I don't know how to explain it? Or
Speaker 2: is that an idea that I had what was actually real?
Speaker 2: Like and that sounds crazy. But There's been times where
Speaker 2: I'll have like certain images or like memories flesh and
Speaker 2: I'll be like, is that actually real? Though? Like I
Speaker 2: remember that, but like I don't know it just like
Speaker 2: almost seems weird in a sense when you kind of
Speaker 2: look back at it. I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 3: No, I get it.
Speaker 2: You questioned your memories, You're like, wait, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had it where I caught where I've talked
Speaker 1: to friends from my childhood or my sister and hey,
Speaker 1: remember that thing that happened while we were together, and
Speaker 1: they'd be like, I've never jne or anything like that,
Speaker 1: Like we've never been in that scenario. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: swear that that really happened.
Speaker 2: Like I've seen that happen people.
Speaker 1: Like why why don't you.
Speaker 2: I've seen that happen with people like no, dude, that
Speaker 2: never fucking happened.
Speaker 1: Don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of funny for the other person,
Speaker 2: like wait what sure?
Speaker 1: No? And yeah, I actually had another in college. I
Speaker 1: had a friend and we would hang out play card
Speaker 1: games and tabletop games, and you know, we maybe parky
Speaker 1: on with of some cannabis or or or he had
Speaker 1: a hookah. Maybe you would you would have a little
Speaker 1: bit of his hookah. And it was one time where
Speaker 1: we was all his house and his house was definitely
Speaker 1: had some paranormal activity, like I would have step for
Speaker 1: him and all these crazy stuff would happen, voices, ghost cats,
Speaker 1: all kinds of goody stuff. But he also had a
Speaker 1: house spirit, a brownie that we all interacted with at
Speaker 1: some point. And this one night we was it was
Speaker 1: some of us guys and we was all hanging out
Speaker 1: playing this tabletop card game, fantasy game, and we're smoking
Speaker 1: a little bit and everything, and that we had the
Speaker 1: light on in his dining room where we was playing,
Speaker 1: but the rest of the lights in the house was
Speaker 1: off and it was getting dark upside, and his front
Speaker 1: front door was like the front door would open, but
Speaker 1: the screen was closed, and you could see the light
Speaker 1: beam swimming in from the street lamp outside. And so
Speaker 1: were all sitting there and his his house. His brownie
Speaker 1: liked nicotine like of course, he liked tobacco out, so
Speaker 1: he would always come around when the hukah was out
Speaker 1: and everything like we would always get some activity, and so, uh,
Speaker 1: we had the hookah out, we had some cannabis, so
Speaker 1: of course we had to alter scene consciousness. But we're
Speaker 1: all flow stick kind of playing this card game. And
Speaker 1: I just look over because my friends taking a long
Speaker 1: time on his turn, so and I look over and
Speaker 1: again I'm kind of buzzed, and I see on the
Speaker 1: floor his house spirit who is in the form of
Speaker 1: like a small child on his hands and knees, trying
Speaker 1: to bet like he's a cat. And my friend had
Speaker 1: a couple of cats, so maybe trying to tege themselves
Speaker 1: as a cat. But I could tell you it was
Speaker 1: like a solid black mask with a shadow. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like one of his cats neither of his hat was
Speaker 1: black to begin with, and it had these again, like
Speaker 1: shimmering eyes, and that's just that's just Brownie. Anyway, he
Speaker 1: was looking up at the hugah and so I know
Speaker 1: he wanted some tobacco. So I looked over to my friend,
Speaker 1: your house spirit Brownie wants someone of this tobacco, Like
Speaker 1: he's like, really he wants like he wants something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And as soon as I acknowledged it and my friend
Speaker 1: looked over, we both he didn't see the black mass,
Speaker 1: but we both saw from the light being casted on
Speaker 1: the walls from outside, like like a like a shadow,
Speaker 1: like a spirit corner. Were like, yeah, he's.
Speaker 3: I I ironically believe that the anime mushi sheet is
Speaker 3: a lot more like reality. Did we give it credit for?
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen that one?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Oh it's fucking great. So there's this his uh the
Speaker 3: Japanese exorcist, right, but he has to get rid of
Speaker 3: these troublesome nature spirits that are attacking people in these
Speaker 3: different villages, and so like they'll they'll get an ear infection.
Speaker 3: And it's actually just one of these nature spirits that
Speaker 3: used to have a home there in that forest now
Speaker 3: is out of a place, and so it gets inside
Speaker 3: of their heads and it's like that's actually really close
Speaker 3: to reality, Like we're living in an area where we're
Speaker 3: not exactly sure what's going on, and you know, why
Speaker 3: things happen the way they do. There could be a
Speaker 3: lot of nature spirits involved, because you know, we take
Speaker 3: over their lands and the spirit you're talking about the brownie,
Speaker 3: I think mostly don't they don't they stick to like
Speaker 3: only houses, like they're kind of like a house spirit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, The whole idea of a brownie from folklore
Speaker 1: is they would and those different names from them, but
Speaker 1: I prefer brownies. I think that's to me, that's the
Speaker 1: name that kind of resonates the best. And a lot
Speaker 1: of them they would be kind of they wouldn't be
Speaker 1: like welcomed in or he invoked in, but once they
Speaker 1: made appearance, they would be like accepted, like you wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to like you wouldn't force them out, And Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm code existing with this thing now,
Speaker 1: And a lot of times it would be from some
Speaker 1: kind of if you might even kind have asked one
Speaker 1: to come into your home if he want a protector
Speaker 1: by putting some high bone or skull or mummified animal
Speaker 1: like a cat or something in your walls when you're
Speaker 1: building your home, or have some kind of something to
Speaker 1: kind of encourage it. And so if one bit show up,
Speaker 1: whether it was a gnome like entity, a fay like entity,
Speaker 1: or a ghost cat or something, whatever form it took
Speaker 1: for you, you would then kind of make a deal with that.
Speaker 1: You you wouldn't banish it out, and you would give
Speaker 1: a kind of offers, offerings like uh, tobacco or something,
Speaker 1: a lot of them, like the gnomes, like tobacco. And
Speaker 1: then you would even have these in gardens, like elemental
Speaker 1: spirits in your gardens as well. Some something run your
Speaker 1: property and h h. You would give it offering offerings,
Speaker 1: and then you would it would maintain your residence for you,
Speaker 1: where it would clean up your house for you, it
Speaker 1: would do some chores, It would protect it from any
Speaker 1: other spirits, kind of like how we was talking about
Speaker 1: on an Inspire symbol in the video how inspired to
Speaker 1: get rid of flies. It would be like this spirit
Speaker 1: is keeping away other spirits. It is how it would
Speaker 1: be described. So it would be like a protector of
Speaker 1: the home or like a like a treasure guardian, Like
Speaker 1: how we have these stories of like spirits guarding treasures.
Speaker 3: But there's a there's a show on Netflix called Hilda
Speaker 3: where she's traveling inside of this alternate dimension that exists
Speaker 3: behind these different pieces of furniture because she followed the
Speaker 3: brownie into that dimension.
Speaker 1: I love Hilda. It's such a good show. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that show is so encoded. I love it. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that's basically what it is.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah. I think if people got to know the
Speaker 3: spirits around them a little bit better, they might find
Speaker 3: that they really are on sacred ground. One of the
Speaker 3: big problems I think that exists in our societies. We're
Speaker 3: always looking thousands of miles away for sacred land when
Speaker 3: you could be on it right now if you just
Speaker 3: paid a little bit more attention, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I.
Speaker 1: Also think, uh, why water plays a part of it?
Speaker 1: Can you know? You have I think stories of where
Speaker 1: like phase and certain kind of ginger spirits can't cross
Speaker 1: water streams or whether it's above ground or on the ground.
Speaker 1: So that's where you get ideas of like lay lines
Speaker 1: and dragon lines or fairy lions or whatever you want
Speaker 1: to report to the mass.
Speaker 2: I think I've actually seen that before. Yeah, something with
Speaker 2: like a stream actually stopped like them from crossing. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I going back to my super poalsy,
Speaker 1: the fact that it has to do with excessive water
Speaker 1: in the brain or etcepch a liquid in the brain.
Speaker 1: I view it as almost like a like a fairy portal,
Speaker 1: like's if you know what a fairy portal is. It's
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a water on a mirror,
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to be like this ceremonial kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I kind of view it like that all well, like
Speaker 1: a well spring. So the point is, I think not
Speaker 1: only my solitude within myself and this distinance between my
Speaker 1: spirit and my body, but also the fact that the
Speaker 1: whole idea is extra liquid. And of course, if you're
Speaker 1: relating it to movies, think of movie like limitless lucy
Speaker 1: things like that. But I also think it's it's water
Speaker 1: and the spiritual properties of water it has to do
Speaker 1: with it. I also, you know, I've had, of course
Speaker 1: experiences where I've seen quote, sleep prowless demons and stuff,
Speaker 1: and they bought and you know how I got rid
Speaker 1: of them. I'm tired of this bullshit. I just want
Speaker 1: to go back to bed and just like roll back
Speaker 1: over and pretend like they're not Even then they got
Speaker 1: pissed off that I wasn't scared of them or anything
Speaker 1: like I would just like I don't want to sleep.
Speaker 1: I just rolled back over and ignored them, and they
Speaker 1: left me alone.
Speaker 3: The fear associated with the sleep paralysis demon is worse
Speaker 3: than anything you'll actually experience of reality. Yeah, and once
Speaker 3: you can beat that fear, that's actually a huge accomplishment.
Speaker 3: It's like the worst kind of panic you can imagine.
Speaker 3: But just take it easy because that's what they feed on.
Speaker 3: They feed on that expression through the fear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the experience our share that kind of started this
Speaker 1: whole thing, which that why I'm on the show that
Speaker 1: I shared with Nick that he was like, oh, you me,
Speaker 1: come on and share experiences with me? Is he? Nick
Speaker 1: asked me why I use in my symbol of symbolism
Speaker 1: for my channel, I use a lot of film reels,
Speaker 1: and he was asking me if I had a kind
Speaker 1: of mental fithical experiences with film rules or things like movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like the logo I said, I use film
Speaker 2: reels in this in the logo. So when I saw yours,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, say.
Speaker 1: I haven't had anything with film rells. But I do
Speaker 1: consider the North Star my my angel from my channel.
Speaker 1: I really the North Star and as God's film reel,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of this funny, kind of symbolic thing
Speaker 1: that I do. But for my own experiences, I haven't
Speaker 1: had anything with real film reels. However, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I did get a degree in film, and as I
Speaker 1: got more first in filming techniques and everything the tech
Speaker 1: aspects of film, even my my intro to photography class
Speaker 1: I took class that took a photography class, my instructor
Speaker 1: handed us our cameras and was like your light wizards,
Speaker 1: did this is your and these cameras on your wants?
Speaker 1: You're playing with what He was like, very like he
Speaker 1: was trying to be quirky because he was a fan
Speaker 1: of Word of the Rings and everything, so he wasn't
Speaker 1: trying to be like esoteric about it. He was just
Speaker 1: trying to be so cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean think I really ate too though,
Speaker 2: manipulate the luck.
Speaker 1: But he like, yeah. But as I went to my
Speaker 1: degree and started and getting more experiences working with cameras
Speaker 1: and bringing the director of things and everything, and that
Speaker 1: got me visualizing things from other perspectives and seeing where
Speaker 1: I want the cameras to be laid out and how
Speaker 1: uh A, your settings will tell your story and your
Speaker 1: your perspective matters. And once I started doing that, that
Speaker 1: helped me kind of learn how to uh into these
Speaker 1: like lucid dreaming states. And I had this dream want
Speaker 1: where it's it's quite morbids, so this is you don't
Speaker 1: notice that the stream is going to have some some
Speaker 1: kind of morbid tones to it. I had this dream
Speaker 1: where I was I wasn't myself, I was another child
Speaker 1: going to school and I was in like a like
Speaker 1: a high school, and I was in that group of
Speaker 1: friends and we would all go to this classroom and
Speaker 1: tune this like like a CRT TV, like like the
Speaker 1: old two box TV, right between these channels and try
Speaker 1: to get this certain channel where it was all fuzzy,
Speaker 1: and that certain fuzzy channel will give us. It was
Speaker 1: almost like power Rangers were like when we tune to
Speaker 1: that channel, we would like power up into like our
Speaker 1: hero versions and everything, and we would fight all these
Speaker 1: creatures and it would have. In my dream, it was
Speaker 1: like we were protecting this school from these entities that
Speaker 1: was coming through these channels and whatnot. If you were
Speaker 1: seeing the horror B movie Terror version, which I saw
Speaker 1: years later, it was kind of like terror vision. And
Speaker 1: in this stream, our school was was going to be
Speaker 1: attacked and it was by this coming force and it
Speaker 1: was represented by this storm, and this giant storm overtook
Speaker 1: our school and in the middle of the storm, it
Speaker 1: blew our windows of the school open, and we all
Speaker 1: have had a huddle and all my all my friends
Speaker 1: in this stream, we was all trying to like we
Speaker 1: had the remote and we were trying to tune to
Speaker 1: this channel so we could all power up and face
Speaker 1: this entity that was causing this storm. And we I
Speaker 1: looked outside and in the middle of all the this storm,
Speaker 1: this giant cylinder like black cylinder, like a silo thing
Speaker 1: like came down from the sky and like landed in
Speaker 1: front of this our skull like giant black cylinder. It's
Speaker 1: almost like a silo. This this black mass came down
Speaker 1: and I knew like that was whatever that was, that
Speaker 1: was what we was fighting. And then sadly, in my dream,
Speaker 1: before we could to to that channel. The thing wipe
Speaker 1: everyone out and I went to the last one standing,
Speaker 1: and so it all got calm, and I had to
Speaker 1: walk through the wreckage of the destruction of this scene,
Speaker 1: and it's I won't going through details as a quite
Speaker 1: graphic of a dream. I walked through the wreckage. There's water,
Speaker 1: there's destruction everywhere. But as the dream was going on,
Speaker 1: it's switching from a first person's perspective to a third
Speaker 1: person's perspective to it, and like it's going on, getting
Speaker 1: all these two cinematic angles and everything right, and then
Speaker 1: I feel the presence of whatever process coming and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing like destruction and chaos and death just everywhere,
Speaker 1: and this force is coming up and I don't see
Speaker 1: what the physical appearance of this force is, by just
Speaker 1: fill it and my my dream body gets lifted up
Speaker 1: against the wall on my arm guard beside me. I'm
Speaker 1: getting push up and up, and they're like almost like
Speaker 1: a force stroke, like when dark Clader like force chokes someone.
Speaker 1: And that's when the these different perspective, these different camera
Speaker 1: angles starts going crazier and crazy and are searching back
Speaker 1: and forth, and that's when I can start just like
Speaker 1: my false awakening, alien pseudo induction kind of dream. There's
Speaker 1: a parallel between each two walk I can in this
Speaker 1: dream kind of like the other dream. I can start
Speaker 1: feeling my arms that are beside me, and the angles
Speaker 1: I'm getting our our uh my dream perspective angle. So
Speaker 1: I've seen like all the destruction and everything as my
Speaker 1: body scheam lifted up and I fell in my arms.
Speaker 1: And then I'm seeing the ceiling fan in my bedroom
Speaker 1: as if I'm starting to wake up, and the ceiling
Speaker 1: fan is like the other perspective. But then I'm getting
Speaker 1: a third perspective of me looking down at my sleeping
Speaker 1: body in my bed, like my actual physical body sleeping
Speaker 1: in my bed. So I'm getting my these dream perspectives,
Speaker 1: I'm getting my waking perspective, and I'm getting this out
Speaker 1: of body perspective all at the same time. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't like a picture and a picture where it's like
Speaker 1: all these different boxes. It was I was seeing everything
Speaker 1: at the same time, which is hard to explain. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like cross it wasn't like the things are stacked
Speaker 1: up on top of each other. It was just like
Speaker 1: I could see everything at the same time.
Speaker 3: How many optic nerves are there that connect to the brain.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: I don't I actually believe it or not. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I know there's twelve cranial nerves and not the optic
Speaker 2: nerves is one of those, but fuck yeah I should
Speaker 2: know that. Actually, Yeah, there's there's ones that go up, yeah,
Speaker 2: into your brain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it would be interesting if that matched up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, how many?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think. I I do think when you
Speaker 2: start going up your optic nerve for some reason, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, I do think that's why. So getting into
Speaker 2: different perspectives of sight in sense, it's like because it's
Speaker 2: I think possibly that's where the orphan idea might be
Speaker 2: coming up from. That's just my opinion. Yeah, which is
Speaker 2: very much like when you were explaining kind of like
Speaker 2: viewing things from different angles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really it was really crazy, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all these experiences are quite weird. I don't always
Speaker 1: seek it out, they just it just naturally happens for me.
Speaker 1: One of the times I did kind of seek it out, though,
Speaker 1: was back in college. Me and my coach friend of
Speaker 1: mine went on a road trip to go see a concert,
Speaker 1: and we also stayed at an air andbnb and there
Speaker 1: was this quote haunted mansion or manor right next to
Speaker 1: our B and B were or like a few streets away,
Speaker 1: a few miles away from our MBNB that was also
Speaker 1: by the concert. Then you said, we went saw the concert,
Speaker 1: say that airbnb, and then we're gonna go to a
Speaker 1: few other places around this area. And also, uh, drive
Speaker 1: by this quote haunted manor where there was all this
Speaker 1: crazy like death and the stuff that was happening here,
Speaker 1: and it was all boarded up, which was probably bad
Speaker 1: for us to do because both of us had experiences
Speaker 1: growing up and so we both were all like open
Speaker 1: and pain those to attract all these kinds of crazy experiences,
Speaker 1: and so we're both like, let's just go seek it
Speaker 1: out this one time. But it was crazy. We adn't
Speaker 1: planned our airbnb to be connected to all this activity,
Speaker 1: but the airbnb we happened to say that was one
Speaker 1: of these cases, was the renovated old house. And we
Speaker 1: walked to the Airbnb and there was the buck on
Speaker 1: the tble to like you guld log where everyone was
Speaker 1: coming from. Right beside that book was this other book
Speaker 1: and it was this old diary of all these old women.
Speaker 1: And I guess when they end this. And there was
Speaker 1: a letter that said the story above this second book
Speaker 1: came from And I guess when they were renovating this
Speaker 1: house they found this book in this diary in the
Speaker 1: wall with all these pictures. And I guess this guy
Speaker 1: would get all these in like the like forties, would
Speaker 1: have all these women come to this house and he
Speaker 1: would pick photos of them, and this was like his diary.
Speaker 1: And then they found it in this house's wall and
Speaker 1: we're like, well, this is crazy. We're looking through it
Speaker 1: and we're talking about it and I look over and
Speaker 1: on the bed I see a figure just hanging out
Speaker 1: and I'm like, do you see this? This is there
Speaker 1: was a guy hanging around the bed right now. And
Speaker 1: my friend looks over and she's like what, Like it was?
Speaker 1: It was crazy? So like we wasn't We were seeking
Speaker 1: it out, but we wasn't seeking it. We didn't want
Speaker 1: our AAR and BN be connected to all the paranormal activity,
Speaker 1: but it ended up being connected to the paranormal activity.
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