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<v Speaker 1>It's seven five herefig about parsed talk station. Try to

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<v Speaker 1>have a happy Monday. Into the subject matter we've been

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on this morning rather disgusting and horrific, and to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that subject matter, of course, the fight over

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend, the severe beatdown of a man as well

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<v Speaker 1>as the cole cocking, just punching of what a seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>innocent bystander trying to help out and render assistance knock

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<v Speaker 1>to the ground. To speak to that matter, the FOP

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<v Speaker 1>president Ken Koberra returns to the morning show. Chief our

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<v Speaker 1>president of the Sin Saints Fraternal or Police. It's great

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<v Speaker 1>to have you back on, Ken. I wish it was

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<v Speaker 1>under better circumstances, but I appreciate your willingness to speak

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<v Speaker 1>with my listeners of me about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, good morning, Brian, thanks for having me now.

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<v Speaker 1>The one puzzling thing threes thij, the chief of police,

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<v Speaker 1>said something to the effect that she wasn't even aware

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<v Speaker 1>that this had happened. She saw the viral video the

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<v Speaker 1>following day or that day. Later in the day, about

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<v Speaker 1>six pm, she issued a statement. This was three o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning. I guess post concert, there are about

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<v Speaker 1>ninety thousand people downtown for the concert. Presumably folks went

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<v Speaker 1>to the bars and the Dora district there afterwards, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're still milling around downtown. That seems to be an

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<v Speaker 1>area where you might expect the chief or whoever's responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for allocating resources to have police presence. There doesn't appear

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<v Speaker 1>to be any police involved in the era, even in

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<v Speaker 1>the area. Can you speak to that, Ken, Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you had.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot going on downtown. Of course, we're spread thin.

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<v Speaker 3>There's only so many of us to go around. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we get calls for service and we end up responding

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<v Speaker 3>to them. I mean, that's not the only way you

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<v Speaker 3>can put It was three in the morning, so all

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<v Speaker 3>the events have wrapped up from Music Fest and then

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<v Speaker 3>it was just another night of the bars downtown.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately. Well, well, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>It was reported in multiple news outlets there was only

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<v Speaker 1>one nine to one one call.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that accurate? I believe there were two or three.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, I mean you would think something like this

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<v Speaker 3>that many people there, But yeah, there, I mean, so

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<v Speaker 3>few people call nine one one, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>talked about it over the weekend. It's it's disgusting that

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<v Speaker 3>you had people that would rather just watch in videotape

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<v Speaker 3>rather than you know, if you don't want to get

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<v Speaker 3>involved in completely understand, call the police because we can't

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<v Speaker 3>be everywhere and unless we know something's going on, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, you can't get there.

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<v Speaker 3>But the fact that people just stood around and then didn't,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there were a couple of people that finally tried,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to diffuse a situation after the guy in

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<v Speaker 3>the grounds getting kicked in the head thirty forty times,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I guess they decided that was enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Then.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just an absolute mob mentality and it's nonsense.

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<v Speaker 3>This kind of thing shouldn't be happening in our society.

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<v Speaker 1>No question about it. Now, I understand you're working to

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<v Speaker 1>identify every but he's involved quite a few videos floating around.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also understand that city cameras are in or

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<v Speaker 1>in the area. Are there cameras mounted close by to

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<v Speaker 1>where this unfolded.

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<v Speaker 3>There are cameras there, you know, whether it captured it.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of these cameras are on like an oscillating system.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's all be all part of the investigation. And

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<v Speaker 3>these investigators have been working around the clock to not

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<v Speaker 3>only identify them, but then to find.

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<v Speaker 2>Out why did this happen.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's a lot of speculation as to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>who started it, who didn't start it. At the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the day, what could have started out as a

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<v Speaker 3>mutual fight that ends when you're on the ground and

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<v Speaker 3>you're getting stomped, Yeah, fifteen twenty people, when you're defenseless,

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<v Speaker 3>that that's not a mutual fight.

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<v Speaker 2>That is just a savage.

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<v Speaker 1>Attack, without question. And I honestly, and when you put

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<v Speaker 1>it in that context, it doesn't matter what started the

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<v Speaker 1>who started the fight. It could have been the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that got the ultimate beat down and was almost murdered

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<v Speaker 1>that night, But does it really matter if he's the

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<v Speaker 1>one that started the whole altercation between one other person,

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<v Speaker 1>It shouldn't at a wit so there was reported Local

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<v Speaker 1>twelve reported Christianhauser has headlined police union leaders she was

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<v Speaker 1>talking to you, I guess, says several suspects identified in

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<v Speaker 1>brutal downtown since at attack. Have the police actually identified

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<v Speaker 1>some of the suspects, because there's no specific reporting in

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<v Speaker 1>the bulk of the article that says just that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, they've identified several people already been getting tips.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that it can use you know video cameras.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great.

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<v Speaker 3>You know the people that want to instead of calling

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<v Speaker 3>the police and want to sit there and videotape this

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<v Speaker 3>stuff and then put it on the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fantastic because at least they.

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<v Speaker 3>Were doing something, because now it makes it a lot

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<v Speaker 3>easier when the police have several different angles to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to identify some of these perpetrators. So, yes, there

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<v Speaker 3>have been people identified. They're still looking to identify more people.

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<v Speaker 3>So why we've asked, you know, people either call crime

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<v Speaker 3>stoppers or call the Central Business Section three five two

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<v Speaker 3>five four four five as the investigator's line number to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to get the rest of these people identified.

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<v Speaker 2>So hopefully we'll get them all criminally charged.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's easy to lament the idea that people just

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<v Speaker 1>stand around a video camera things. I personally don't understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter m my position relative that the last

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<v Speaker 1>thing I ever think of is pulling my phone out

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<v Speaker 1>to even take a picture at a family event. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is very helpful for law enforcement. So even if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not willing to make a phone call to the

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<v Speaker 1>police and say, hey, that was my brother in law

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<v Speaker 1>that punched that woman in the face, but at least

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<v Speaker 1>they took a video of it, so it helped you

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<v Speaker 1>identify them. But that the component that really bothers me

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<v Speaker 1>so much. We live in a world where we're willing

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<v Speaker 1>to alienate family members over politics and not answer the

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<v Speaker 1>phone or call them up anymore, and and end ties

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<v Speaker 1>with them. If you if you're hanging out with or

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise friends or relatives, as someone who would do something

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<v Speaker 1>as horrific as just walk up and punch a woman

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<v Speaker 1>right in the face or otherwise kick a man, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he's obviously incapacitated him down. That's not somebody I'd want

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<v Speaker 1>to hang out with, and that's someone I'd be more

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<v Speaker 1>than happy to drop a dime on all.

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<v Speaker 2>Without a doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, you talk about this time after time

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<v Speaker 3>after time with juvenile violence, adult violence, But what I

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<v Speaker 3>saw on social media this weekend, there were there were

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<v Speaker 3>a group of people that were actually trying to defend

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<v Speaker 3>this guy being savagely beaten and then this woman getting

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<v Speaker 3>knocked out. People are trying to defend it, saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is okay, and this is why, and it's like

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<v Speaker 3>and then kids see this and they're seeing grown adults

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<v Speaker 3>trying to justify these savage attacks, and that's exactly why

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<v Speaker 3>we are where we are as a society.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite honestly, it's really disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>It is thoroughly disgusting. And while I am happy that

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<v Speaker 1>some of the community leaders came out and spoke to this,

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<v Speaker 1>we had, you know, some council people. Mark Jeffries I

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<v Speaker 1>think was outspoken on and he said they need to

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<v Speaker 1>be prosecuted the fullest extent of the law as of

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<v Speaker 1>this morning, and Joe and I both did separate internet search.

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<v Speaker 1>Is not a word from the mayor. What's your reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to that? Ken?

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<v Speaker 2>The silence is deafening, well exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you have the Vice mayor that's come out,

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<v Speaker 3>council members, chief has talked about this, and absolutely nothing

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<v Speaker 3>from the mayor.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either, So solutions. I mean a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people calling in making fun of the whole idea of

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<v Speaker 1>where were the drones? Where were the drones? Sort of

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<v Speaker 1>tongue in cheek, like what could a drone do? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>But in terms of what you would hope to be

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<v Speaker 1>a reaction to this, I mean, I think it represents

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<v Speaker 1>an ultimate opportunity for us as a city. To turn

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<v Speaker 1>the page on lacks law enforcement and project ourselves to

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<v Speaker 1>the nation because this made national headlines. Man, and actually

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<v Speaker 1>it was reported globally a couple of global newspapers it

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<v Speaker 1>included this in it as well. But for us to

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<v Speaker 1>finally step up collectively from the mayor through council, the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor's office, and maybe get these judges to start paying attention,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to be a law and order city in

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<v Speaker 1>order to counterbalance this really negative perception of the city

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<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati being a place filled with violence.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, the only way that these things are

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<v Speaker 3>going to stop is if the people are actually held

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<v Speaker 3>accountable and they put them all in prison. That then

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<v Speaker 3>that will send a message to the public that if

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<v Speaker 3>you come down here and you act like this, there

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be consequence there. They are going to

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<v Speaker 3>be real consequences, and you're gonna go to prison. That

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<v Speaker 3>and only then is when we will actually maybe see

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<v Speaker 3>some of this stuff stop. But until then, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>they believe right now there's no consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why they do these things. And they said they.

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<v Speaker 3>Know they're on camera, they know it's likely that they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to get identified. But if they're not held accountable.

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<v Speaker 3>This will continue. I'd love to see a headline six

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<v Speaker 3>months or a year from now, four people sent to

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<v Speaker 3>prison for this brutal attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that is what will send a message to the public.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and quite a few conversations here in the Morning

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<v Speaker 1>Show this morning about use of deadly force. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're in that guy situation, you obviously are in

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<v Speaker 1>fear for your life, You're obviously experiencing grievous bodily harm.

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<v Speaker 1>Many people suggest that, well, if he had a firearm,

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<v Speaker 1>he might have been to defend himself. You're in a

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<v Speaker 1>very busy public area. Now, that does not negate the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to use deadly force, but it creates an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for maybe an innocent bystander to get harmed in some way.

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<v Speaker 1>But your take on the justification for use of deadly

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<v Speaker 1>force had that guy been armed, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it absolutely would have been justified.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you're being surrounded by ten to fifteen people

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<v Speaker 3>kicking your head, stomping you. You kick somebody in the head,

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<v Speaker 3>you're stomping on their head. You are clearly trying to

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<v Speaker 3>cause them serious physical harm.

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<v Speaker 2>You have the right to defend yourselves. You know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that's what needs to happen. Maybe that's for people to

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<v Speaker 2>realize that you can't do this again.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly where I hope you were going to conclude

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<v Speaker 1>not only severe punishment from the authorities and prosecution to

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<v Speaker 1>the fullest extent of the law as an illustration of

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen to you, but maybe a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the public defending themselves with deadly force under those circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>reminding the rest of the population that, yeah, there are

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of armed people out there and this

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<v Speaker 1>might be a really, really bad idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's the only that's other than the headlines

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<v Speaker 3>of these people going to prison. That's the only other

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<v Speaker 3>way that people are going to start thinking twice before they.

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<v Speaker 2>Act this way.

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<v Speaker 1>FOP President kan Cover, God bless you, sir. Keep up

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<v Speaker 1>the great work. And you know, the fifty five cares

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<v Speaker 1>Morning Shore listeners have the CINCINNTI Police Department's back, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be happy to drop a dime if we have

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<v Speaker 1>information that might lead to an arrest. Three five, two

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<v Speaker 1>thirty forty crime stoppers a number. Take care, Ken, stay well,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thanks for having me, Bran.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always a pleasure, take care seven to fifteen right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I have cares to the talk station, gee,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what Christopher Smitheman is going to be talk

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<v Speaker 1>about in his Smither vent
