Speaker 1: It's seven five herefig about parsed talk station. Try to
Speaker 1: have a happy Monday. Into the subject matter we've been
Speaker 1: focusing on this morning rather disgusting and horrific, and to
Speaker 1: talk about that subject matter, of course, the fight over
Speaker 1: the weekend, the severe beatdown of a man as well
Speaker 1: as the cole cocking, just punching of what a seemingly
Speaker 1: innocent bystander trying to help out and render assistance knock
Speaker 1: to the ground. To speak to that matter, the FOP
Speaker 1: president Ken Koberra returns to the morning show. Chief our
Speaker 1: president of the Sin Saints Fraternal or Police. It's great
Speaker 1: to have you back on, Ken. I wish it was
Speaker 1: under better circumstances, but I appreciate your willingness to speak
Speaker 1: with my listeners of me about this.
Speaker 2: Sure, good morning, Brian, thanks for having me now.
Speaker 1: The one puzzling thing threes thij, the chief of police,
Speaker 1: said something to the effect that she wasn't even aware
Speaker 1: that this had happened. She saw the viral video the
Speaker 1: following day or that day. Later in the day, about
Speaker 1: six pm, she issued a statement. This was three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning. I guess post concert, there are about
Speaker 1: ninety thousand people downtown for the concert. Presumably folks went
Speaker 1: to the bars and the Dora district there afterwards, and
Speaker 1: we're still milling around downtown. That seems to be an
Speaker 1: area where you might expect the chief or whoever's responsible
Speaker 1: for allocating resources to have police presence. There doesn't appear
Speaker 1: to be any police involved in the era, even in
Speaker 1: the area. Can you speak to that, Ken, Well, you know,
Speaker 1: you had.
Speaker 3: A lot going on downtown. Of course, we're spread thin.
Speaker 3: There's only so many of us to go around. You know,
Speaker 3: we get calls for service and we end up responding
Speaker 3: to them. I mean, that's not the only way you
Speaker 3: can put It was three in the morning, so all
Speaker 3: the events have wrapped up from Music Fest and then
Speaker 3: it was just another night of the bars downtown.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately. Well, well, I guess.
Speaker 1: It was reported in multiple news outlets there was only
Speaker 1: one nine to one one call.
Speaker 2: Is that accurate? I believe there were two or three.
Speaker 3: But yes, I mean you would think something like this
Speaker 3: that many people there, But yeah, there, I mean, so
Speaker 3: few people call nine one one, and you know, I
Speaker 3: talked about it over the weekend. It's it's disgusting that
Speaker 3: you had people that would rather just watch in videotape
Speaker 3: rather than you know, if you don't want to get
Speaker 3: involved in completely understand, call the police because we can't
Speaker 3: be everywhere and unless we know something's going on, you.
Speaker 2: Know, you can't get there.
Speaker 3: But the fact that people just stood around and then didn't,
Speaker 3: I mean, there were a couple of people that finally tried,
Speaker 3: you know, to diffuse a situation after the guy in
Speaker 3: the grounds getting kicked in the head thirty forty times,
Speaker 3: and then I guess they decided that was enough.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just an absolute mob mentality and it's nonsense.
Speaker 3: This kind of thing shouldn't be happening in our society.
Speaker 1: No question about it. Now, I understand you're working to
Speaker 1: identify every but he's involved quite a few videos floating around.
Speaker 1: But I also understand that city cameras are in or
Speaker 1: in the area. Are there cameras mounted close by to
Speaker 1: where this unfolded.
Speaker 3: There are cameras there, you know, whether it captured it.
Speaker 3: Some of these cameras are on like an oscillating system.
Speaker 3: So that's all be all part of the investigation. And
Speaker 3: these investigators have been working around the clock to not
Speaker 3: only identify them, but then to find.
Speaker 2: Out why did this happen.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of speculation as to you know,
Speaker 3: who started it, who didn't start it. At the end
Speaker 3: of the day, what could have started out as a
Speaker 3: mutual fight that ends when you're on the ground and
Speaker 3: you're getting stomped, Yeah, fifteen twenty people, when you're defenseless,
Speaker 3: that that's not a mutual fight.
Speaker 2: That is just a savage.
Speaker 1: Attack, without question. And I honestly, and when you put
Speaker 1: it in that context, it doesn't matter what started the
Speaker 1: who started the fight. It could have been the guy
Speaker 1: that got the ultimate beat down and was almost murdered
Speaker 1: that night, But does it really matter if he's the
Speaker 1: one that started the whole altercation between one other person,
Speaker 1: It shouldn't at a wit so there was reported Local
Speaker 1: twelve reported Christianhauser has headlined police union leaders she was
Speaker 1: talking to you, I guess, says several suspects identified in
Speaker 1: brutal downtown since at attack. Have the police actually identified
Speaker 1: some of the suspects, because there's no specific reporting in
Speaker 1: the bulk of the article that says just that.
Speaker 3: Oh no, they've identified several people already been getting tips.
Speaker 2: You know that it can use you know video cameras.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 3: You know the people that want to instead of calling
Speaker 3: the police and want to sit there and videotape this
Speaker 3: stuff and then put it on the internet.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic because at least they.
Speaker 3: Were doing something, because now it makes it a lot
Speaker 3: easier when the police have several different angles to be
Speaker 3: able to identify some of these perpetrators. So, yes, there
Speaker 3: have been people identified. They're still looking to identify more people.
Speaker 3: So why we've asked, you know, people either call crime
Speaker 3: stoppers or call the Central Business Section three five two
Speaker 3: five four four five as the investigator's line number to
Speaker 3: be able to get the rest of these people identified.
Speaker 2: So hopefully we'll get them all criminally charged.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's easy to lament the idea that people just
Speaker 1: stand around a video camera things. I personally don't understand that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter m my position relative that the last
Speaker 1: thing I ever think of is pulling my phone out
Speaker 1: to even take a picture at a family event. But
Speaker 1: this is very helpful for law enforcement. So even if
Speaker 1: you're not willing to make a phone call to the
Speaker 1: police and say, hey, that was my brother in law
Speaker 1: that punched that woman in the face, but at least
Speaker 1: they took a video of it, so it helped you
Speaker 1: identify them. But that the component that really bothers me
Speaker 1: so much. We live in a world where we're willing
Speaker 1: to alienate family members over politics and not answer the
Speaker 1: phone or call them up anymore, and and end ties
Speaker 1: with them. If you if you're hanging out with or
Speaker 1: otherwise friends or relatives, as someone who would do something
Speaker 1: as horrific as just walk up and punch a woman
Speaker 1: right in the face or otherwise kick a man, well,
Speaker 1: he's obviously incapacitated him down. That's not somebody I'd want
Speaker 1: to hang out with, and that's someone I'd be more
Speaker 1: than happy to drop a dime on all.
Speaker 2: Without a doubt.
Speaker 3: And you know, you talk about this time after time
Speaker 3: after time with juvenile violence, adult violence, But what I
Speaker 3: saw on social media this weekend, there were there were
Speaker 3: a group of people that were actually trying to defend
Speaker 3: this guy being savagely beaten and then this woman getting
Speaker 3: knocked out. People are trying to defend it, saying, oh,
Speaker 3: this is okay, and this is why, and it's like
Speaker 3: and then kids see this and they're seeing grown adults
Speaker 3: trying to justify these savage attacks, and that's exactly why
Speaker 3: we are where we are as a society.
Speaker 2: It's quite honestly, it's really disgusting.
Speaker 1: It is thoroughly disgusting. And while I am happy that
Speaker 1: some of the community leaders came out and spoke to this,
Speaker 1: we had, you know, some council people. Mark Jeffries I
Speaker 1: think was outspoken on and he said they need to
Speaker 1: be prosecuted the fullest extent of the law as of
Speaker 1: this morning, and Joe and I both did separate internet search.
Speaker 1: Is not a word from the mayor. What's your reaction
Speaker 1: to that? Ken?
Speaker 2: The silence is deafening, well exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean, you have the Vice mayor that's come out,
Speaker 3: council members, chief has talked about this, and absolutely nothing
Speaker 3: from the mayor.
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't either, So solutions. I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: people calling in making fun of the whole idea of
Speaker 1: where were the drones? Where were the drones? Sort of
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek, like what could a drone do? Anyway?
Speaker 1: But in terms of what you would hope to be
Speaker 1: a reaction to this, I mean, I think it represents
Speaker 1: an ultimate opportunity for us as a city. To turn
Speaker 1: the page on lacks law enforcement and project ourselves to
Speaker 1: the nation because this made national headlines. Man, and actually
Speaker 1: it was reported globally a couple of global newspapers it
Speaker 1: included this in it as well. But for us to
Speaker 1: finally step up collectively from the mayor through council, the
Speaker 1: prosecutor's office, and maybe get these judges to start paying attention,
Speaker 1: we need to be a law and order city in
Speaker 1: order to counterbalance this really negative perception of the city
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati being a place filled with violence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the only way that these things are
Speaker 3: going to stop is if the people are actually held
Speaker 3: accountable and they put them all in prison. That then
Speaker 3: that will send a message to the public that if
Speaker 3: you come down here and you act like this, there
Speaker 3: are going to be consequence there. They are going to
Speaker 3: be real consequences, and you're gonna go to prison. That
Speaker 3: and only then is when we will actually maybe see
Speaker 3: some of this stuff stop. But until then, I mean,
Speaker 3: they believe right now there's no consequences.
Speaker 2: That's why they do these things. And they said they.
Speaker 3: Know they're on camera, they know it's likely that they're
Speaker 3: going to get identified. But if they're not held accountable.
Speaker 3: This will continue. I'd love to see a headline six
Speaker 3: months or a year from now, four people sent to
Speaker 3: prison for this brutal attack.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is what will send a message to the public.
Speaker 1: Well, and quite a few conversations here in the Morning
Speaker 1: Show this morning about use of deadly force. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're in that guy situation, you obviously are in
Speaker 1: fear for your life, You're obviously experiencing grievous bodily harm.
Speaker 1: Many people suggest that, well, if he had a firearm,
Speaker 1: he might have been to defend himself. You're in a
Speaker 1: very busy public area. Now, that does not negate the
Speaker 1: ability to use deadly force, but it creates an opportunity
Speaker 1: for maybe an innocent bystander to get harmed in some way.
Speaker 1: But your take on the justification for use of deadly
Speaker 1: force had that guy been armed, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it absolutely would have been justified.
Speaker 3: You know, you're being surrounded by ten to fifteen people
Speaker 3: kicking your head, stomping you. You kick somebody in the head,
Speaker 3: you're stomping on their head. You are clearly trying to
Speaker 3: cause them serious physical harm.
Speaker 2: You have the right to defend yourselves. You know, maybe
Speaker 2: that's what needs to happen. Maybe that's for people to
Speaker 2: realize that you can't do this again.
Speaker 1: That's exactly where I hope you were going to conclude
Speaker 1: not only severe punishment from the authorities and prosecution to
Speaker 1: the fullest extent of the law as an illustration of
Speaker 1: what's going to happen to you, but maybe a member
Speaker 1: of the public defending themselves with deadly force under those circumstances,
Speaker 1: reminding the rest of the population that, yeah, there are
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of armed people out there and this
Speaker 1: might be a really, really bad idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the only that's other than the headlines
Speaker 3: of these people going to prison. That's the only other
Speaker 3: way that people are going to start thinking twice before they.
Speaker 2: Act this way.
Speaker 1: FOP President kan Cover, God bless you, sir. Keep up
Speaker 1: the great work. And you know, the fifty five cares
Speaker 1: Morning Shore listeners have the CINCINNTI Police Department's back, and
Speaker 1: we'll be happy to drop a dime if we have
Speaker 1: information that might lead to an arrest. Three five, two
Speaker 1: thirty forty crime stoppers a number. Take care, Ken, stay well,
Speaker 1: my friend.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks for having me, Bran.
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure, take care seven to fifteen right now.
Speaker 1: But if I have cares to the talk station, gee,
Speaker 1: I wonder what Christopher Smitheman is going to be talk
Speaker 1: about in his Smither vent