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Speaker 1: Hey, Michael Steel Podcast listeners. Michael Steele here with another

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quick take from the Michael Steel Podcast. Check out what's

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going on right now in a post Trump error? What

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is the message dim for Democrats, for sane Republicans? How

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do you want to frame them? What is the message

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in the kind of candidates that they're going to put

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in front of these people who are still so pissed

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off at everything because they think they've been got. How

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do you how what is the messaging to cuts through that?

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Because if John F. Kennedy reducted in twenty twenty two,

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couldn't do it?

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Speaker 2: What does I have this model? I very rarely, I

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very rarely disagree with you politically. I think you are

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off the fucking wall on this. I'm I'm gonna I'm

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gonna tell you why. You have a guy in Ohio

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right with no party operats right, who was completely abandoned

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right Republicans nationally spent sixty five seventy million dollars right

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and he got twenty plus percent of the Republican vote

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and one of the most polarized cycles. When you have

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the top of the ticket right running right twenty five

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points ahead, you've been the down ballot guy. Right, if

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if the guy at the top collapses losers by twenty

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five points, you went by five. I looked at you,

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and I'm like, that guy can play ball. Maybe that

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guy should have been on the top of the ticket.

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Like at the at the end of the day, I

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think when you when you look at a race and

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you took all that he took. Right, Sometimes right, if

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you look at life as a journey, Right, I'll say this,

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like eighteen fifty eight, Abraham Lincoln lost to the guy

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that he beat in eighteen sixty. I like to think

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of it this way. Maybe Abraham Lincoln would have been

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a really shitty senator.

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Speaker 3: Event. But I've actually I'm agreeing with you in principle.

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I'm just saying. I mean because I think Tim Riden,

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I love that race. I think people care greatly. I

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think that dear, I think.

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Speaker 1: That's not how they're voting.

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Speaker 2: This is this is the breakthrough I've had over the

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last six or seven months. This is the place I've

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moved from gotcha right over the last year, Right, I

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would have I would have given you a different answer

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at the end of the Lincoln project. But here's the deal, right,

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the Trump Industrial complex. Right, you said it earlier the media.

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It's an ecosystem. Everyone needs each other. I never understood

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truly what Eisenhower was talking about when he talked about

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the military industrial complex. TI, I understood it truly through

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the eyes of the Trump industrial complex. You watched the

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Lincoln Project documentary which was to ask you about that.

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What were your thoughts on that? Well, they're all the

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same people. Yeah, right, they're the same people. Right, there

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is no difference between them and the Trump people. So

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so one of the things, right, as as as and

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I will I'm a charter member of the Never Give

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a Fucking Inch club, right of the network.

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Speaker 1: He wrote the bylaws right.

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Speaker 2: Right of the Never of the Never of the never

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Trump movement. But I didn't do I didn't fight Trump

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because I wanted a career. I had a career. I

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gave up my career to fight Trump.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I fought him because I believed he was a threat.

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Speaker 1: I fought him as.

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Speaker 2: A out of out of out of conviction. Right, what

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people want is better but but but but we have

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to be humble. Right that, Where where is the humility

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in the Democratic Party? Right that that that has that

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has been introspective said we're losing to who right, Right?

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So what what is it that people see that makes

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them say I want that as opposed to this. Right,

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you try to have that conversation, you'll be shouted down

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by a lot of angry, smug, intolerant people. Right. What

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what's the argument here, right, that there's not intolerance and

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closed mindedness on the left? Right, that that that Trump

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is not fueled right by his opposition. If we only

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have two parties and we look at a party, we say,

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holy ship, guy who an insurrection killed a million people?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Right? Well, maybe it's because the people who like a

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million people got killed right by the opioid epidemic. Right,

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Maybe maybe we should have some empathy for those people

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when the government came back around in the next decade

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and said, you've got to take this vaccine. Why they

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don't have trust, whether they don't have faith? Four hundred

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dollars four hundred right, that's a that's a that's a

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mid mid mid point bottle line on a lot of

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menus in a Washington, DC restaurant. That that's the that's

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the that's the average savings of forty percent of the population. Right,

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One of the fastest growth industries in the financial sector

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is unbanked. The kids get a past book savings industry. Right.

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So when you look at when you look at when

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you look at the news, right you look at the

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amount of coverage that Elon muskats, the amount of national

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attention into pages. Twitter's not a country, it's not geography,

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doesn't have land, it's not real. Who gives a fuck?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was gonna ask you, what do you

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do with the project?

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Speaker 3: Like that?

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Speaker 2: Like Lelan are affected by this. So there's a total

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detachment in the conversation of what people think are important.

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