1 00:00:02,919 --> 00:00:05,719 Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to say something before we start our 2 00:00:05,799 --> 00:00:08,519 usual introduction. We just want to take this time to 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:09,519 say thank you. 4 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:10,279 Speaker 2: That's right. 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: We are overwhelmed by the positive response that we've gotten. 6 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:17,440 When we started this podcast, we figured there would be 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,879 about three people listening, including both Jason and I and 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,039 my mom. Right and at the time of this episode's release, 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,760 we were over seven hundred and fifty downloads. All of 10 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,440 our episodes have been downloaded over one hundred times. We're 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,439 floored and we just want to say thank you very much. 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 3: That's right. 13 00:00:35,039 --> 00:00:35,359 Speaker 2: That's right. 14 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 4: We're super excited. Thank you so much for joining us. 15 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: And so you the gentleman who's driving in his car, 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:46,000 or the lady who's sitting at one of their kids practices, 17 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,920 or the guy at lunch, or whoever it is right 18 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,039 now you listening to us, I want you to send 19 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:54,719 us a message, Send us a message on Facebook, send 20 00:00:54,799 --> 00:00:57,600 us a message on Twitter, Email us. You can email 21 00:00:57,679 --> 00:01:01,880 us at Shirley Podcast at g email dot com. But 22 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:05,040 we've got fans out there that are giving us feedback, 23 00:01:05,079 --> 00:01:06,799 and we want to say an extra thank you to 24 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:07,719 them right now. 25 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 4: Our first five star review. 26 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. 27 00:01:09,599 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 4: Ahead and read this, Yeah, I'd love it. Our first 28 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:15,159 five star review. It's listed as Gaila Julia, but I 29 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,120 know this is Tristan Martin. He contacted me so. Tristan 30 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,159 Martin wrote the title says so much fun. This show 31 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,480 is a blast. The guys come up with topics that 32 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,879 force the listener to take a side and want to 33 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,719 jump in the Battle Royale. The first two episodes were 34 00:01:29,719 --> 00:01:31,519 so much fun. They really took me back. I can't 35 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:33,879 wait for the next one. Thanks Tristan, I really appreciate that. 36 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,079 Speaker 1: Thank you, Tristan. That's awesome. I'm going to give a 37 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:39,319 shout out to a couple of our fans on Facebook. 38 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,400 We have fans that are friends of ours, but we've 39 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:46,000 also got fans from across the world. Actually, our first 40 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,519 fan that I'll give a shout out to is Darra Ferrell. 41 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:52,799 Forgive me if I'm pronouncing that wrong, but he is 42 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,040 from Dublin, Ireland, and so I'm sure that I pronounced 43 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,159 that wrong. And hope you look for to our Brave 44 00:02:02,159 --> 00:02:05,640 Heart versus Gladiator episode where Jason and I will both 45 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,400 be doing very bad Scottish and Irish accent. 46 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:12,439 Speaker 4: That's right. Quick shout out also to our Facebook. One 47 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:16,120 of our Facebook top fans Sherman Black, Yeah, from Charlotte, Charlotte, 48 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,439 North Carolina. Yeah, he's been very active on Facebook with 49 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,199 us and we sure appreciate it. We have some other 50 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:21,759 top fans. 51 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and on Twitter, we're just gonna I want to 52 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:27,680 say a quick shout out to Greg Greenoff, who is 53 00:02:27,719 --> 00:02:31,759 the author of Van Halen Rising, and that's his Twitter handle. 54 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,680 The book van Halen Rising, I really wish we had 55 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:38,800 read before we did this episode that's coming up, because 56 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,840 it would have been much easier for the research. But 57 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,759 it's fantastic and he's got a new book coming out, 58 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,199 which we'll talk to you in a few minutes about 59 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,400 in the middle of the episode. 60 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,039 Speaker 4: Great, all right, So we want to quickly just give 61 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,159 quite a quick overview about what we're going to be 62 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:53,199 doing in the next three weeks. 63 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,159 Speaker 1: Right, the next three weeks are going to be Van 64 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:58,199 Halen episodes, and it's going to be Van Halen versus 65 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,719 Van Hagar. But our first episode, in the words of 66 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:04,159 my friend Jason, is going to be about the birth 67 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:04,719 of the band. 68 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 5: That's right. 69 00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:08,719 Speaker 4: That's right. So part two that's going to be the 70 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,280 rise and fall of Daily. 71 00:03:10,039 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: Roth, right, and then Part three will be Van Hagar, 72 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,879 where we hear about Sammy and his stint with the band, 73 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,759 and then we finish up with our final judgment. 74 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:20,479 Speaker 5: That's right. 75 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:23,479 Speaker 4: Well, hope you'll stick around for these three episodes. One 76 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:25,560 of the big debates in the nineteen eighties. I'm super 77 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:26,840 excited to dive into this one. 78 00:03:26,879 --> 00:03:28,039 Speaker 1: All right, let's get started. 79 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:44,879 Speaker 5: Okay, Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely You Can't 80 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,520 Be Serious Podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the 81 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,639 forgotten of eighties and nineties pop culture. 82 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,479 Speaker 1: With your co hosts James D. 83 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,919 Speaker 4: Graves and Jason Colban. 84 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:04,599 Speaker 3: Hey, Jason, what's up? 85 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 4: How's going man? 86 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: I'll run a little bit hot tonight. 87 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: I don't feel tardy. 88 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: How exciting. I love that we're going to talk about 89 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,839 the van Halen van Hagar dispute today. And I love 90 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,920 that you really like van Hagar because I really like 91 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:25,600 van Halen. 92 00:04:26,079 --> 00:04:28,439 Speaker 4: I like them both. But this is a very interesting 93 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:32,279 argument to get into because this is a definite line 94 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:34,839 in the sand. There's different people on both sides of 95 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:37,279 this argument, but it's one of the biggest arguments of 96 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:38,600 the nineteen eighty that we're going to talk. 97 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: About absolutely, and you know, the band has come full 98 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,920 circle now. They lost Sammy Hagar. They had that weird 99 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:49,000 brief moment with Gary Scharon, which I mean it was 100 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,480 like a three year thing. It was, yeah, but not 101 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:55,639 their best move. And now they're full circle back to 102 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,079 David Lee Roth for the last few years as well. 103 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,879 When comes just like always catch us on Twitter, chime 104 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,839 in with what you think about what I say, what 105 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,199 you think about what Jason says, or what you know 106 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,560 where we both get it wrong and what we're missing here. 107 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:12,160 That's right. 108 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,959 Speaker 4: You can catch us on Twitter at Surely Podcast on Twitter. 109 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Twitter, and that's Shirley su R E L Y, 110 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:25,600 not s h I R because that's right. Be don't 111 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:26,319 call me Shirley. 112 00:05:26,439 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 4: Don't call me. 113 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: I don't call me Shirley. Today we're going to talk 114 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,959 about Van Halen and Van Hagarth. 115 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 4: And the birth of the vand Van Halen and how 116 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,600 it changed and changed back. 117 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: And changed and changed back again. 118 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 2: That's right. 119 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 4: I guess we did kind of talk about that. Yeah, sorry, 120 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:45,199 I didn't mean this stuff. 121 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: That's right. That's the beauty of editing. 122 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. 123 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:59,199 Speaker 1: The Van Halen Boys are born in nineteen fifty. 124 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 4: Fifty three Alex fifty five for Reddy. 125 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: And so they're born in Amsterdam. Their father is a musician. 126 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,439 He is a big band player. But this is the 127 00:06:11,519 --> 00:06:16,120 early in mid nineteen fifties, which means that music is changing. 128 00:06:16,519 --> 00:06:19,120 Elvis and Chuck Berry have come out and rock and 129 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:22,279 roll is the thing, and big bands are out. They 130 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:24,720 decide we're not going to stay here anymore. We're going 131 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,439 to pack up and chase the American dream. 132 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:34,519 Speaker 4: Moved to Beverlee Hills that is, yes, slash Pasadena, Yes. 133 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:39,079 Speaker 1: Close enough, right right, And so they take their two 134 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,000 young boys. In nineteen sixty two, it's nineteen sixty two, 135 00:06:43,319 --> 00:06:47,160 they get on a large boat to trans the Atlantic 136 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,079 and to help pay the way, the dad Yon plays 137 00:06:52,199 --> 00:06:55,399 music with the band, and then after a few nights 138 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:59,160 they the boys, who had been classically trained in piano 139 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:02,360 at that point very young, but could play the piano well. 140 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:05,839 They had them get up in between sets, and then 141 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:08,199 the next night they were sitting at the captain's table. 142 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,519 Because the star little boys won everyone's hearts, and so 143 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,199 they became the star of the show. I think at 144 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:17,399 that point the seed was planted and they were ready 145 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:20,639 to be stage musicians for the rest of their lives. 146 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 4: It doesn't take very long to figure out there are 147 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,879 benefits to being the performing all right. 148 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: So they make the journey in nine days over to 149 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:33,639 the United States. They moved Pasadena, California, as we said, 150 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:39,360 and when they arrive, they don't know any English. They 151 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,480 know two they know two English words. 152 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: That's right. Alex says that he when they came over 153 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,879 they knew two English words. One was yes and the 154 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,199 other was accident. 155 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: Accident, which apparently was just the first word in the 156 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:54,480 book that their mom was trying to teach them English from. 157 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: They actually Alex is encouraged to pick up the guitar. 158 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:03,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, they buy him a electric guitar, silver tone, and 159 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,519 Eddie decides that he's going to go out. He enjoys 160 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,079 the drums. They came over in nineteen sixty two, and 161 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,600 then nineteen sixty four, of course, is when you have 162 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,839 the British invasion, and so they are introduced to the 163 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,279 rock and roll of the Beatles and of the day 164 00:08:19,279 --> 00:08:23,480 of Clark five and Dave Clark five is the drummer 165 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:30,279 who Eddie wanted to be. He wanted to go and 166 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:32,679 play drums like that guy, and so he got himself 167 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:37,039 a paper route. He worked hard, just like you would 168 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,879 in the movies, and saved up Paul his money and 169 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,360 got himself a drum set. And then while he was 170 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:45,679 away on his paper route, Alex would go and pound 171 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:46,480 on those drums. 172 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,279 Speaker 4: While he was working hard to pay for the drums, 173 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,120 his brother was learning the drums. 174 00:08:51,799 --> 00:08:55,639 Speaker 1: Right, and he was actually quite skilled at it. And 175 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,320 when Eddie realized what was going on, you know, I 176 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,559 can imagine the challenge kind of like out of step brothers. 177 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 3: Hey man, did you touch my drum set? 178 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:14,279 Speaker 4: Nope, because it's just weird because seems like someone definitely 179 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:15,559 touched my drum set. 180 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:21,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is weird because I didn't touch them. And 181 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,080 then it was you know, you're better than me, so 182 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,360 the heck with it. I'll just play your dang guitar. 183 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,200 First band that they had was the. 184 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 4: First band that they had was called the Broken Combs. 185 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: It sound like a junior high name to you, it 186 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,240 does sound like a junior high name. And then a 187 00:09:38,279 --> 00:09:42,000 little more sophomore. They played with a guy for a 188 00:09:42,039 --> 00:09:43,960 while who was playing bass for him, and then his 189 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,080 dad got a job as a preacher about three hundred 190 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,320 miles away so they're out their basis, they're out their 191 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,679 place to practice. They had to find a new basis, 192 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,799 which they did, and his name was his name is 193 00:09:53,799 --> 00:09:57,320 Mark Stone, And so they actually had another band that 194 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,559 they called the Trojan Rubber Factory. But they kept playing 195 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,240 hard and they were hard working musicians. They would pound 196 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,840 the pavement, they would put up posters everywhere to let 197 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:09,519 everybody know what they were doing. And they were obsessed 198 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:11,960 with the band. And at this time, Eddie is the 199 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,519 one that's doing all the lead singing. 200 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 4: That's right. 201 00:10:14,799 --> 00:10:19,519 Speaker 1: And they are going to parties. They're usually like backyard parties, 202 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:22,000 which was pretty popular back in the day. Not only 203 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,120 would they go out and invite everyone that they could 204 00:10:25,159 --> 00:10:29,480 at the party, their music was really, really loud, and 205 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,360 so frequently it wasn't just a question of if the 206 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:35,639 cops would show up, It would be when are the 207 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:37,919 cops going to show up? And at one point the 208 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:39,960 cops showed up and said, you guys are so loud, 209 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,519 we were looking for you four blocks away. At the 210 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:48,679 same time, young David Lee Roth, who was born in Indiana, 211 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,120 had some experiences in New York City with his uncle 212 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:53,879 getting to go to some of the clubs there in 213 00:10:53,919 --> 00:10:57,919 New York City, got to see Bob Dylan and Jimmy Hendrixon. 214 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,679 Definitely caught the bug at that point and new that 215 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,960 was the type of lifestyle, the New York City lifestyle 216 00:11:04,039 --> 00:11:06,559 and the stage lifestyle that he wanted to be a 217 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,080 part of. But as it turns out, he wasn't really 218 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,919 into rock and roll so much as the other guys were. 219 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,279 He like listening to kind of the swing and some 220 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,159 of the stuff that you most of the kids those 221 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,799 days just weren't listening to. 222 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,279 Speaker 4: I heard Eddie talk that Dave actually very much enjoyed disco. 223 00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: And we'll see later on when he comes into the band, 224 00:11:25,799 --> 00:11:29,120 he really kind of brings that element which then helps 225 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:34,399 them come into the public eye. So also in born 226 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,320 in Chicago around the same time as these guys is 227 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:41,559 Michael Anthony and his family has moved to Pasadena as well. 228 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,879 He started a band. He's playing bass and singing for 229 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,519 the band as well. So these guys are all doing 230 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:51,279 their own thing around each other. Michael Anthony's band is 231 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:54,240 called Snake and David Lee Roth's band is. 232 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,799 Speaker 4: Called Red Ball Jets. 233 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:04,279 Speaker 1: Red Ball Jets alright, And so the guys have Mark 234 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,799 Stone Eddie is singing, and Alex is telling Eddie, you're 235 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,240 really not carrying it as a singer. Nobody would ever 236 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,960 question your abilities as a guitarist, but we need to 237 00:12:15,039 --> 00:12:20,679 find another singer. And as it turned out, they had 238 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,960 to rent their PA system, and so they would pay 239 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:27,320 somebody ten bucks per show to go rent the system, 240 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,039 and one of the guys they were renting from. 241 00:12:29,039 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 4: Was this kid named Davie Ruff. 242 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: And so after a while Alex just said, you know, 243 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:38,200 we need a lead singer, and we need his PA system. 244 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,919 Might as well get two birds with one Stone here 245 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,519 and just have him join the band and be her 246 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:43,159 lead singer. 247 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 4: In a matter of ten dollars, they land one of 248 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,039 the greatest frontmen of any rock band of all time. 249 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's incredible. Yeah, there are very few lead guys, 250 00:12:55,159 --> 00:12:59,840 lead singers that stand out as performers, the guys that 251 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,639 ring the live show to life. And there's no question 252 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,720 that David Lee Roth is one of those guys, no doubt. Now, 253 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:09,120 at that time they still had Mark Stone as a basis. 254 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,519 But Mark Stone was an honor student, straight a student, 255 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,799 and the boys felt like he wasn't he didn't have 256 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:19,200 his priorities in the right place. 257 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 4: No, he's too busy making grades. And his dad came 258 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:23,399 to him and said, you. 259 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: Need to go to school. Go to school, right, No, 260 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,519 dad is going to say you need to choose joining 261 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:30,200 some silly rock and roll band with a guy who 262 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:36,480 wears skin tight buttler's pants. And so they go. The 263 00:13:36,919 --> 00:13:40,080 boys actually go to mark Stone and say listen, we 264 00:13:40,159 --> 00:13:42,440 just we don't think that you're committed like you need 265 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,679 to be. And they let him go. 266 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:45,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, by the way, we're going to become one 267 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:47,240 of the greatest rock bands of all time. 268 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: See you later, Sorry about that. So they they they 269 00:13:53,799 --> 00:13:56,559 as I said, they're all performing in similar stages, and 270 00:13:56,639 --> 00:13:59,279 at one point that PA system that had brought them 271 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:02,279 together with David Roth goes out and they're stuck at 272 00:14:02,279 --> 00:14:05,840 the show with no PA, And as it happens, Snake 273 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:09,840 is performing at the show and Michael Anthony's like, hey, 274 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:12,919 you can use our PA, no problem, And within just 275 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,399 a few days they're calling him up and saying, hey, 276 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:17,480 would you like to come be the bass player for 277 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:17,960 our band. 278 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 4: We'll get into a little bit later, but his voice 279 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,159 actually provides many of the harmonies that I mean, it's so. 280 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: Important, unquestionable that van Halen does not sound like van 281 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:31,519 Halen without Michael Anthony providing these backup vocals. That high 282 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,840 pitched tenor that he has is amazing. So we've gone 283 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,159 we go through a few band names. Here, we hit 284 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,759 with the Broken Combs. We had the Trojan Rubber Factory. 285 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,840 They were called they called themselves Genesis for a while 286 00:14:47,879 --> 00:14:50,639 and then they're like, oh wait, there's a really successful 287 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:54,240 band out of England that everybody knows now called Genesis. 288 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,799 So they had to give that one up as well. 289 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,559 That's right where Mammoth for a bit, and then David 290 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:01,240 Lee Roth was like, you know what, van Halen sounds 291 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,879 cool and it's your name. Let's make the man, let's 292 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:12,799 make the band name idea. Absolutely yeah, really cool. I 293 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:21,879 get him, and so they become van Halen. Then Michael 294 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:26,279 Anthony joins and they are off and run. Once they 295 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:29,360 had gained that big following, they finally landed a gig 296 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:32,679 as kind of the house band for a place called Gazari's. 297 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,679 Speaker 4: That's right, that's in. 298 00:15:34,559 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: And oddly, from time to time Bill Gazari would come 299 00:15:38,799 --> 00:15:42,720 up to David and say, hey, Van, you guys did 300 00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:48,480 last night a couple extra bucks? I guess he thought 301 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,960 he was like Van Morrison or something, so that's awesome. 302 00:15:55,759 --> 00:15:58,200 The thing about that that we need to keep in 303 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,480 mind about both our and Eddie is that they were 304 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,960 they're classically trained, and that translated into their music. The 305 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,399 interesting thing about the classic training that Eddie had is 306 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:14,240 that he never ever learned to read music, which, given 307 00:16:14,519 --> 00:16:19,600 his capacity with both keyboards and with guitar and several 308 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:23,480 other instrums, is an amazing Yeah. That means that he 309 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:25,879 can't read it. He's able to do what he does 310 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,200 just from listening to it. And not only that, he 311 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,240 fooled his music teacher at the time into believing that 312 00:16:32,279 --> 00:16:37,080 he could read music. It was five years before the 313 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:39,639 music teacher was performing a new piece of music for 314 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:41,399 him and told him he needed him to turn the 315 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,080 pages for him, and. 316 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 4: He was like he was lost. 317 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: He was lost. He was just like, what do you 318 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,799 why don't you turn the pages? Like I don't have 319 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,799 any idea where you are right now. And this I 320 00:16:55,879 --> 00:16:57,799 had a piano teacher when I was a kid, and 321 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,480 my gosh, I could not have liked I said like 322 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:03,320 he did. I just it was painful for me to 323 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,799 go to those music lessons. She was probably one hundred 324 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:10,920 and seventy five years old, had translucent skin. I mean, 325 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,279 I just remember missus Mackie. I got to rest her soul. 326 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 4: As Mackie had call in the podcast, we want to 327 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:17,759 hear from. 328 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: You, right and say hello to Jesus for us. 329 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,319 Speaker 4: Go ahead, just so everybody knows you are a guitar 330 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:29,920 player and I am not. 331 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,599 Speaker 1: Well. I love talking about some of the things that 332 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,039 have gone on with the guitar. And Eddie was obviously 333 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:39,240 an inspiration to be playing guitar in the first place. 334 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 4: He had a special guitar. 335 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I had a special guitar. So here's something 336 00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:46,759 here's something that many people don't know about Eddie, which 337 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:51,960 is just absolutely amazing. The man was an inventor. He wasn't. 338 00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:54,960 He didn't just redefine the way that you play the guitar. 339 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,240 He created his own guitar. The guitars at the time, 340 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,400 the two primary guitars that anybody was going to use 341 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,480 were Gibson Less Paul and a Fender Stratocaster. And Eddie 342 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:09,400 loved the whammy bar on the Fender stratocaster because you 343 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,680 could you could change the tone of the notes, you 344 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,480 could do different sounds with that whammy bar, but it 345 00:18:16,599 --> 00:18:19,279 only had a single coil pickup, which means that it 346 00:18:19,279 --> 00:18:21,359 would have these high pitch kind of twangy things that 347 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,920 would happen when you turned it up. Now, the less 348 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,599 Paul had these hum they called him humbucking pickups, which 349 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,039 means they bucked the hum. They didn't the hum wasn't 350 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:35,400 there for him. And so what Eddie did was he 351 00:18:35,559 --> 00:18:38,160 decided I'm just going to make my own guitar and 352 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,240 he goes to a parts, a guitar parts store and 353 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,400 says I need a body and I need a neck, 354 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,319 and the guy's like, well, you don't want that body 355 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,519 because it's a second and Eddie's like, I don't know 356 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:52,000 what that means. 357 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:52,319 Speaker 4: Second? 358 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,319 Speaker 1: What second? The second up? Okay, that's good, I'll take 359 00:18:55,319 --> 00:18:57,559 that one. Then, not realizing that it meant it was 360 00:18:57,599 --> 00:19:02,039 like naughty and not goodwood and horrible sound would come 361 00:19:02,039 --> 00:19:04,039 out of it. But it didn't matter because what he 362 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:07,880 was about to do didn't. It changed, It corrected all 363 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,759 of those problems. So he takes that guitar body home 364 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:13,839 and he starts chiseling out the wood to put the 365 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,759 humbucking pickups inside of the fender. Style body so that 366 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:20,880 he can have his have his humbucking pickups and his 367 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,000 whammy bar, and the result is a guitar that doesn't 368 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:29,079 sound like any other guitar. It has corrected the hum 369 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,480 problem with the fender, still has the whammy bar that 370 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:37,079 he can use. And then he had other issues with feedback, 371 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,839 and who knows why he decided to do this. I 372 00:19:39,839 --> 00:19:42,000 don't know what caused it in his brain, but he 373 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:45,960 decided to take the pickups. He's thinking maybe those little 374 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,440 wire coils or what's causing all the feedback they're vibrating 375 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,599 in there. And he's got a coffee can and some 376 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,279 paraffin wax melted the paraffin wax, stuck the pickup inside 377 00:19:58,319 --> 00:20:00,960 of it and just kind of waited until the plastics 378 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,000 started to melt and yanked it out of there, and 379 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:06,240 the paraffin wax then sealed all those coils so that 380 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:09,000 they didn't have the feedback. And so once again he's 381 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,400 created something new that nobody at the time was doing, 382 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,039 but now is a standard practice of the industry. And 383 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,400 so he's now has a guitar that he can crank 384 00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:23,799 all the way up, doesn't have all of the sound problems. 385 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:27,319 That he had before, and he's super excited. He's working 386 00:20:27,319 --> 00:20:30,920 at a music store and they get in a Marshal. 387 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,079 Now he's had his little, his brother's little silver tone, 388 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:36,319 which you're not going to get any real sound out 389 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,720 of that, but the Marshal was like the gold standard, 390 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:40,559 and so he worked for the rest of the summer 391 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:42,839 to buy this Marshal and he plugged it in and 392 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,440 turned it all the way up, and it sounded awesome 393 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:50,559 and really really loud, really loud, like I can imagine 394 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:51,000 you know. 395 00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 3: Hube lewis right, I'm afraid you just out. 396 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: So he couldn't get the sound that he wanted out 397 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,440 of this thing because he had to turn it up 398 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,480 all the way to get the right sound. And then 399 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:09,240 oddly comes across this classified ad selling a different Marshal, 400 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,440 and so he's like, maybe this one will be better. 401 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,440 He buys that Marshal, he plugs it in, he plugs 402 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,279 the guitar in, and it doesn't play, and he walks 403 00:21:17,279 --> 00:21:19,519 away and he leaves it open, it leaves it on, 404 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:22,039 and he comes back and he's like, I'm gonna get 405 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:23,839 another try, and just picks it up and he realizes 406 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,720 he can hear sound well what's happened is he didn't 407 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:31,640 realize that the Marshal was a European style power supply, 408 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,079 and so he had had it at the two twenty 409 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,400 instead of the one ten, and so it had taken 410 00:21:38,519 --> 00:21:41,640 just longer to charge up. But what happens is he 411 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,960 plays it as it's halfway warm, is it's gotten that 412 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,160 slow build of voltage, and he gets the sound that 413 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:54,400 he wants without the volume problem, and that gives us 414 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,119 that sound of the guitar, the one that everybody knows 415 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,599 that everybody's like, yeah, that's Eddie guitar. We know that sound. 416 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,920 And then he's got it all put together. He paints 417 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,319 it black. That's kind of boring, right, So he's got 418 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,960 some tape laying next to him and just randomly decides out, 419 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:14,200 just put some tape in kind of a crisscross pattern 420 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:17,720 on the guitar and then I'll paint it white and 421 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,240 creates the franken Stratt look, which is the thing that 422 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:25,640 we all associate, all associate. 423 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 4: With that that's become their iconic look. And later he 424 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:31,720 puts more tape on it, paints it red red. 425 00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: Yes, the first one, if you look at the if 426 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,200 you look at the Van Handelin debut album. You'll see 427 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,400 he's got a white guitar with black stripes. Later on, 428 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,519 like you said, paints puts more tape on it, paints 429 00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:45,440 it red, and then you've got the red with the 430 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,400 black and the white. 431 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 4: It's so cool. Yeah, my gosh, it's great. 432 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, work of art, just out of just kind of 433 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,319 dumb luck really. 434 00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:54,759 Speaker 4: So now they're playing the clubs. 435 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,079 Speaker 1: They're playing the clubs, and they've got a huge following 436 00:22:57,079 --> 00:22:59,799 when they're in the when they're in gazaaries, they've got 437 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,240 fifteen hundred people in there listening to him. But the 438 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:06,200 problem is the rest of the world doesn't care about 439 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:06,759 rock and roll. 440 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 4: It's right late seventies. This is the time of the 441 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:18,920 beg's and disco Saturday night fever. 442 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,799 Speaker 1: The only guys who are getting any songs out there 443 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:26,440 even a little bit are like Aerosmith and Kiss. 444 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:31,519 Speaker 4: So, speaking of Kiss, one night, while Van Halen's. 445 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,519 Speaker 1: Playing, Yeah, it's at the Starwood, which is another club 446 00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:39,359 there on the Sunset Strip, Gene Simmons happens to be 447 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,480 in the audience and he's he comes to them immediately 448 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,079 after the show and they're like, oh my gosh, there's 449 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,079 Gene Simmons and he doesn't have any makeup on and 450 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,359 it's amazing, and he's like, has anybody signed you guys 451 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,519 And they're like no, they well who's managing nobody? Well, okay, 452 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,319 come with me. I'm going to take you to New 453 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,759 York City. We're going to make a demo and we're 454 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:01,319 going to get. 455 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:01,839 Speaker 3: You guys signed. 456 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,599 Speaker 1: That's right, And that's exactly what they do. There. They go, 457 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:08,799 this young, excited band that's been playing hard for four 458 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,119 or five years. Now. They go and they they do 459 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,920 the songs they by the time. 460 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 4: At this time, I mean, at this time, Gene Simmons 461 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,599 is one of the biggest rock stars in the world, absolutely, 462 00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:22,799 and he shows up and says, I want to make 463 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:23,880 you guys the next big thing. 464 00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:26,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, which to I mean, if I was in that situation, 465 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,039 I'd be like, that's it, We've made it. We don't 466 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:32,039 have anything else to worry about. Gene Simmons loves us. 467 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,440 We've got a full album worth of original material that 468 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,039 we know backwards and forwards because we play it every 469 00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:41,759 single night. They go and they record their album. One 470 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:45,880 problem is they can't use their own instruments, so they 471 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,720 lose the sound that Eddie had spent so long creating. 472 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:51,200 And then the other. 473 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 4: Problem is that album promptly does. 474 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: Jack Swatt yeah, because Gene Simmons said, I don't think 475 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,519 you guys should yourself saying, Halen. 476 00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:03,599 Speaker 4: I think you guys ought to change your name to 477 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:04,400 Daddy long. 478 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: Legs, Daddy long Legs, Long Legs, which who knows, maybe 479 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:11,519 that would have worked. I don't. 480 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 4: I don't think so. 481 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: No, it's not the same. 482 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 4: And they do the right thing. When Gene Simmons tells 483 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,200 you to do something after he had branded Kiss, there's 484 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,839 gonna be a big temptation to change. 485 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you not how do you I mean, 486 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,119 if you're if you're with that iconic figure, how do 487 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,920 you not go? Yeah, that sounds great. Whatever you say, Gene, 488 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:29,680 you're the man. 489 00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 4: You're worth a bazillion dollars, mister Simmons, I'll do whatever 490 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,920 you say, right, But they say no. That irritated him 491 00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:37,720 and he made the comment that these guys are never 492 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:38,839 going to make it right. 493 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then and his management thought the same thing, 494 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,400 They're never going to make it. So all of this excitement, 495 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,359 all of this anticipation, and the result is a demo 496 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:54,799 tape with songs that aren't played on their own instruments. 497 00:25:53,039 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 6: Okay, let's give a quick shout out out to a 498 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,960 friend of the show and another guy from Tulsa, Oklahoma, 499 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,799 my hometown, Greg Greenoff. 500 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 4: He's got a new book out called Ted Templeman, A 501 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,160 Platinum Producer's Life in Music. 502 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:14,319 Speaker 1: Yes, this book will be released in April of this year, 503 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:21,359 and here's just a quick description. This autobiography recounts Templeman's 504 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,440 remarkable life from a child jazz phenom in Santa Cruz, 505 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,680 California in the nineteen fifties, too Grammy winning music executive 506 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,240 during the seventies and eighties. Along the way, Ted details 507 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:36,359 his late sixties cent as an unlikely star with the 508 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,039 Sunshine pop outfit, Harper's Bizarre and his grinded out days 509 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:44,960 as Warner Brothers tape listener, including the life altering moment 510 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,559 that launched his career as a producer, his discovery of 511 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,880 the Doobie Brothers. Ted Templeman, A Platinum Producer's Life and 512 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,279 Music takes us into the studio session of number one 513 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,720 hits like Blackwater by the Doobie Brothers and Jump by 514 00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:03,319 Van Halen. As Ted recounts memories and the behind the 515 00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:08,279 scenes dramas that engulfed both massively successful acts. Throughout Ted 516 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,799 also reveals the inner workings of his professional and personal 517 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,680 relationship with some of the most talented and successful recording 518 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:20,200 artists in history, including Steven Tyler and Joe Perry of Aerosmith, 519 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:26,039 Eric Clapton, Lowell, George Sammy Hagar, Lynda Ronstadt, David Lee Roth, 520 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,160 and Carly Simon. 521 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:28,079 Speaker 4: Thanks Greg. 522 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:41,759 Speaker 1: Marshall Burrow is the one who talks to O'siston and 523 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,960 Ted Templeman and says, these guys are going to be 524 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,720 playing at the Whiskey, Go Go go tonight, go check 525 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:52,839 them out. And this rainy, slow evening, maybe forty people 526 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,519 in the crowd, not really the best crowd to be 527 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:57,839 doing an audition for. 528 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 4: The big wigs, the. 529 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Records. 530 00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:03,559 Speaker 4: And they liked it. 531 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: They heard yeah, yeah, they loved it. They came back 532 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,000 and they said, boys, we want to sign you. So 533 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,799 then the next thing that happens is they've signed this contract. 534 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:20,039 They're ready to start touring to put their put their 535 00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:24,079 performances on the world stage. And so they joined the 536 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:30,000 tour of a band called Montrose and a band called Journey, 537 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,359 Uh huh. And I'm sure everybody's heard of Journey and 538 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,799 most of you've heard of Montrose. But what you may 539 00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:38,839 not know is who the lead singer of Montrose is. 540 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 4: Sammy Hagar. 541 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,079 Speaker 1: Sammy Hagar, that's right. So yes, an odd coincidence. And 542 00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:50,480 here's an interesting bit of information that came out. You know, people, 543 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,920 a lot of people were not impressed with David Lee Roth, 544 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,680 and among those were the Warner Brothers. Guys. They didn't 545 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,519 appreciate what he brought to the stage. And to be honest, 546 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,160 David Lee Roth doesn't have a stellar voice. And as 547 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,599 it turns out, they proposed some other singers and propositioned 548 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,640 some other singers, and one of the singers that they 549 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,079 propositioned was Sammy Hagar. Sammy Hagar, yeah, And he did 550 00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:20,880 not disclose this until just in the last I don't know, 551 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,519 three or four years, I would say, but he yeah, 552 00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:27,880 he was approached early on to take Dave's spot, and 553 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,920 unbeknownst to the rest of the band. 554 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 4: It's incredible. You know, Dave brings charisma, a stage presence, 555 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:38,759 as we see later, the splits and the jumps and 556 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,839 the yells. It's crazy that he was that underappreciated right 557 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,359 out of the gate. 558 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so they're so good on tour, they're so 559 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:54,640 incredible that they are outperforming Montrose, they are out performing Journey. 560 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,279 And their sound guy has said, you know, the Montrose 561 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:02,759 guys were cool, but I know that the Journey guys 562 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:07,240 were mad that they were losing cheers and girls and 563 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,000 other stuff, and I know they sabotaged our sound system. 564 00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:11,880 Things would happen. Then there was just no way that 565 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:19,000 that happened unless we were being sabotaged. And so they 566 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,599 changed their tour. They took them instead of playing the US, 567 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,640 they took them out to Europe to start opening for 568 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:32,599 Black Sabbath. Now, Black Sabbath was a band that they had, 569 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,480 they had sat and learned the songs they were the 570 00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:38,240 I mean, you listened to Van Halen's music and you 571 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,960 you know, oh yeah, those guys had to be influenced 572 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,200 by Black Sabbath. And now they're opening for them, and 573 00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:47,599 as it turns out, they're also blowing them off the stage. 574 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:52,119 And that's a quote from Ozzy Osbourne himself. Ozzy Osbourne said, 575 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,359 every night they would blow us. 576 00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 3: Off the stage. 577 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 4: Wow, that's really cool. 578 00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: So they're doing these tours. They had released the album 579 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,640 which we're about to jump into here in a second, 580 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,960 in early nineteen seventy eight. But before even they did 581 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,039 that early release album, before they started all these tours, 582 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,839 they released a single. Do you know the single that 583 00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:17,400 they released. 584 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,319 Speaker 4: I'm guessing that the single was You Really Got Me? 585 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: That is correct. That was the first single that they released, 586 00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:27,759 and it's questionable whether they really wanted that to be 587 00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:31,759 their first release. I know for sure that Eddie didn't 588 00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:34,000 want it to be their first release. He was actually 589 00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:37,640 really disappointed that their first that their debut single was 590 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:38,240 a cover. 591 00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 4: And that makes sense to me because Running with the 592 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,720 Devil is a very strong song and seemingly imperfect. Yeah, leadoff. 593 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, they had been playing it for years. It was 594 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:51,240 on the demo tape that they had done with Gene Simmons. 595 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:55,799 It is an awesome song. But here's the story behind 596 00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:59,119 the story on this one. Okay, yep. So they've got 597 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,599 their demo tape that they've done with Ted Templeman, the 598 00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:06,559 guy from Warner Brothers, and Eddie is super excited and 599 00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:10,160 he's playing it for friends and acquaintances and acquaintances of acquaintances. 600 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,640 And one of those guys that he plays it for 601 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:14,039 is Barry Brandt. 602 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 4: Okay, Barry Brandt. 603 00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, Barry Brandt, who none of us know, right, but 604 00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:21,559 who happened at the time to be the drummer for 605 00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:26,119 a band called Angela. Angel was another band that Gene 606 00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:28,839 Simmons had discovered, but one that had actually signed with 607 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,519 the record label. Now have you heard of Angel before? 608 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 4: Not until you just mentioned it? 609 00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: No, right, so I hadn't either. Now we talked about 610 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,519 the fact that that they had done a cover for 611 00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:43,359 their original release. This Really You Really Got Me was 612 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,319 originally sung by The Kinks back in nineteen released back 613 00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,839 in nineteen sixty four, and it's the perfect type of 614 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,000 song for some hard. 615 00:32:50,839 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 3: Rock You really got It Got It an awesome, awesome song. 616 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: It was a great hit for the Kinks and influenced 617 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,759 a lot of the hard rock that came after that. 618 00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:14,720 But the idea that hey, fourteen years later, it's going 619 00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:18,319 to be popular again suddenly was very enticing to Barry 620 00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:22,160 brand Because the next day Ted Templeman calls Eddie and said, 621 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,680 did you play the tape for somebody? And He's like, 622 00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:26,440 I played it for a bunch of people. What are 623 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,119 you talking about He's like you a hole that there's 624 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,519 a band out there called Angel that's about to try 625 00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,480 to record that song and release it. We have to 626 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:38,200 record it first and release it, or we're going to 627 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,920 be the second ones to the table. And so, in 628 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,400 a mad dash, they go and record their studio version 629 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,000 that we've all heard and get it out and release 630 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,920 it to the public before Angel is able to do 631 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,440 the same, and his history is written. That's incredible, and 632 00:33:56,599 --> 00:34:13,199 Angel fades into the cloudy dust of history. So now 633 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:18,280 that we're here, let's start talking about the actual debut album. Yeah, 634 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,360 oh yeah, okay, fantastic, Okay. So it's nineteen seventy eight. 635 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,840 They're putting together this album. Their first release is You 636 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,760 Really Got Me. It blows up. 637 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,039 Speaker 5: You Really Got It Now? 638 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 7: You Got us On? 639 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,639 Speaker 2: I don't know who too were You really Got It? 640 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 7: Now? 641 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,199 Speaker 2: You Got us on? 642 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 4: That's so awesome. 643 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:05,079 Speaker 1: It is so awesome. You Really Got Me reached number 644 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:08,239 thirty six on the Hot one hundred among a whole 645 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,719 bunch of disco and pop and punk rock songs. Not 646 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,119 bad for your first thing, No, not bad at all. 647 00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:19,559 And so the first time I ever heard it was 648 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,079 when I was watching the movie Night Shift, which right right, 649 00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:26,639 a movie by Ron Howard, Michael Keaton and Michael Keaton 650 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,239 and Henry Winkler, the fauns himself, Yes, And the premise 651 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,119 of the movie is these guys work in a morgan 652 00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:38,119 and decide to open a prostitution ring inside of the morgue. 653 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 4: That movie is so funny. 654 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,639 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. So there's a scene where Henry Winkler, who 655 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,159 is so not the fawns in this movie, here's You 656 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,880 Really Got Me playing, as he's walking into the building 657 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,599 and he's all confused, and he opens the door to 658 00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:55,639 this ridiculous frat party and Michael Keaton's got like a 659 00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:58,840 belt around his head like a headband and partied hard 660 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,679 with half naked prostates. It's all over the place, and 661 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,760 Henry Winkler is freaking out. 662 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 2: I even know about your people. 663 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 4: This is a morgue. You're partying in a morgue. 664 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,639 Speaker 3: You don't believe me, that's. 665 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: And he tries to pull out this dead body to 666 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,559 show him. Turns out it's just a frat boy and 667 00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:31,960 a prostitute inside of the cadaver box and the. 668 00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 4: Board Howard, So you Really Got Me? 669 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,280 Speaker 1: Is released, and then they released the album itself. Now 670 00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:45,400 imagine how everyone felt the first time that they plug 671 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:51,000 that album in and listened to that sound, and then 672 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,039 that place coming in. 673 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 7: I live my life back. This don't tomorrow. All I've 674 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:35,920 got feel he's doing on me. It's a battle borrow 675 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,239 your I'm living at us facetack. 676 00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:55,079 Speaker 1: So that sound that you hear at the beginning that 677 00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:59,679 is obviously not a musical instrument is car horns and 678 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,239 is it turns out it's it's a stunt that they 679 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,920 did a tactic that they used on stage. They took 680 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,800 the car horns out of their cars and hooked them 681 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,079 up to a car battery and would play. Even when 682 00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:12,039 they played the show live, it would have that car 683 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,760 horn introduction. And so they went ahead and brought them 684 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,920 into the studio. Ted Templeman slowed him down there a 685 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,000 bit at the end that you can you can hear 686 00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,360 the slow down. It's almost the Doppler effect as though 687 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,920 it's going by. And then that hard hitting bass, and 688 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,360 you know, God bless them. They've got the guy who's 689 00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:31,599 redefining O Houw to play guitar, and they start the 690 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,400 first song on the first album with car horns. 691 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 4: And the bass. 692 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,519 Speaker 1: But they're letting, they're letting everybody know where about hard rock. 693 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,039 This is one of those rock songs that has two 694 00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,360 guitar solos in it, which is pretty unique for that 695 00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,079 for any time. Really not a whole lot of songs 696 00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:50,920 or you can get two guitar solos. But why wouldn't 697 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,480 you do that? If you've got Eddie van Handls. 698 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,679 Speaker 4: You got j van Halen, you let him play as 699 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:54,320 much as possible. 700 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,199 Speaker 1: Absolutely, you want to play more. 701 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,280 Speaker 3: Okay, that's right. 702 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,199 Speaker 4: They recorded this album for forty thousand dollars to three 703 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,559 weeks to record and that's it. 704 00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:07,079 Speaker 1: So Run with the Double is not only the first 705 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:08,719 song that you hear on the album, it is their 706 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,679 second single that they released. Yes, and it does well. 707 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,679 It reaches number eighty four on the Top one hundred, which, again, 708 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,320 at this time, with the taste in music as it is, 709 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,719 that's a great feat for a band's debut album. 710 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 4: Yes, so tell me about fingertapping and eruption. 711 00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so the b side to Running with the Double 712 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,599 is Eruption. It's also the second song on the album 713 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:46,800 and it's almost all Eddie. So I can remember vividly 714 00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:52,400 watching Eddie perform this live on stage I hadn't. You know, 715 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,119 we should probably explain that I was born in nineteen 716 00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:59,639 seventy five. I was not listening to van Halen when 717 00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,719 I was the three years old. The introduction that I 718 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,559 had to van Halen was nineteen eighty four. 719 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,559 Speaker 4: Me too, Right, I was born in nineteen seventy three, Okay, 720 00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:10,880 but nineteen eighty four was first time I was paying 721 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:11,280 attention to. 722 00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:14,159 Speaker 1: Right, nineteen eighty four was on was one of three 723 00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:16,280 tapes that were the first three tapes that I ever owned. 724 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:22,719 It was nineteen eighty four minute work and Wham, a 725 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,679 collection of music here for you. That was a great song. 726 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,719 So Eruption, I can remember the first time I saw it, 727 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,760 and it was a live performance and it was actually 728 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,960 at the time that they were with Sammy Hagar. That 729 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,719 was by then that I had Actually I heard Eruption 730 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,239 for the first time and was was floored by it. 731 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,679 And so I knew at that point that that Eddie 732 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,960 did finger tapping and what was involved there. But this 733 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,159 this finger tapping that he does in Eruption, I looked 734 00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:57,599 at that and I was just like, this isn't this 735 00:40:57,679 --> 00:40:59,800 isn't rock and roll. This is classical music. Okay, it's 736 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,679 rocky and class it's I don't know what it is. 737 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,760 It's like something amazing and undefinable. But I totally so. 738 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,480 When I was growing up, I was I was into 739 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,599 classical music. There was an album called Hooked on the 740 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:14,920 Classics that came out and like I think eighty two, 741 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:16,760 and I loved it. 742 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,760 Speaker 4: Hey, that's been about the time chipbunk punk came out 743 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,079 and there. 744 00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:22,559 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, so I was listening 745 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:25,280 to the Chipmunks and Bach and Beethoven and Mozart. 746 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,519 Speaker 4: All right, that's right, good job. 747 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, so I don't know what kind of street 748 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,800 cred I'm gonna get for that. But anyway, when I 749 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,559 heard Eddie van Halen performing Eruption, I was like, this 750 00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:42,639 is classical music. And not only that I knew the song. 751 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,320 Did you ever watch twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea, 752 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,480 the Disney movie that had like it, no Captain Nemo 753 00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:52,599 and they're in the submarine and they get the big 754 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:55,199 squid that attacks them. Well, familiar with it, but I've 755 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,679 never seen it. There's a part of that movie for 756 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,320 anybody who's seen it, where Captain Nemo, who's played by 757 00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:05,400 George good old George. 758 00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,039 Speaker 4: George everybody, George Mason, George Mason, George Mason. 759 00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: And so he's Captain Nemo and he's got this organ 760 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,519 and they kind of read if you watch any of 761 00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:15,320 the Pirates of the Caribbean, they've kind of done the 762 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,519 same type of the reimagined that with the squid guy there. 763 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,800 But anyway, he's playing this song and the song is 764 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:27,440 boxed Takata and fugue, and it kicks but I don't 765 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,800 care if it was written several hundred years ago. It 766 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,360 kicks butt. And when I'm listening to Eddie van Halen 767 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,760 playing Eruption live on stage, I'm like, that is takata 768 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,480 and fugue, but it's not. It is, but it's not. 769 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:42,440 So I want to I want you to listen to it. Okay, 770 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,239 you see what I'm saying here. Okay, So this this 771 00:42:46,320 --> 00:43:01,800 is the scene from twenty thousand Leagues. So now let's 772 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:40,440 listen to the live performance by Eddie. So we can't 773 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,360 miss the part that's from Leoney Tunes right there, right, 774 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,199 So that one is probably that one is probably actually 775 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,159 from Franz List, which was a very prominent song that 776 00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:55,000 you would hear in Looney tunes. But remember Eddie's classically 777 00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:57,760 trained on the piano. Of course, that's his influence. Say 778 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,360 what you will about his influences, he'll say that pretty 779 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,400 much his only influence was Eric Clapton, and he would 780 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,440 learn all of Eric Clapton's songs. Eric Clapton was called 781 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,199 slow hand Eddie. No one would dare call that to him, right, 782 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,599 But that was it, That's all he'll say. But there's 783 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,199 no question that the classics, the classical composers, are the 784 00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:23,000 ones that really influenced the music that he plays, especially 785 00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:26,280 on eruption. So as you pointed out, there are special 786 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,719 techniques that are involved there with eruption. So Eddie goes 787 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,360 when they're younger, he goes and they get to watch 788 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,599 led Zeppelin play, like led Zeppelin's playing in California at 789 00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:37,400 that time, and so he gets to go see him. 790 00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:41,920 And at some point, Jimmy Page has got his guitar. 791 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,519 He's got his left hand on the guitar, which is 792 00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:46,000 where he pressed the fretboard, and your right hand is 793 00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:48,639 normally what strums, but Jimmy's got his hand up in 794 00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:51,440 the air like pointing like I'm number one, like we're awesome. 795 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,920 That kind of thing. But he's still playing with his 796 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,880 left hand, and he's what he's doing is he's pounding 797 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,440 on the string with the finger, which causes it to 798 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,280 make a sound, and then pulling that off as though 799 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,440 he's kind of plucking it to also make it make 800 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,719 another sound. And so that's those are called hammer ons 801 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:12,440 and pull offs. Not terribly creative, but easy to understand, 802 00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,719 right right. And so Eddie's watching this, he sees him 803 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,599 do this, and the inspiration is there for him, and 804 00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:21,239 he's like, I can do that. I could do that 805 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,719 with both hands. Yeah right, I mean he's got one 806 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,360 hand in the air. He's not even using the hand. 807 00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:27,159 If I took that hand and put it on the 808 00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:30,000 front board with the other fingers, I'm not just able 809 00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:31,960 to play two notes now, I'm not just able to 810 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,559 play three notes. I can play four and five notes. 811 00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,119 I could because I can tap on the strings and 812 00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:38,800 do my hammer ons and my pull offs with my 813 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,199 right hand. And that's tapping and that's the that is 814 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,280 that that is really the key thing that he brought 815 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:54,519 to the lead guitar scene for the next twenty years. 816 00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:56,760 Speaker 4: All right, So that's the end of episode one. 817 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: Van Halen, Yeah, we're gonna come back next week and 818 00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:04,199 do part two, the Rise and Fall of Daily Rock. Yeah, 819 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,000 so hang on for that one. Come join us, and 820 00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:09,280 you'll get to hear some fun stuff. We'll play a 821 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,719 little bit of that for you right now. They came 822 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,599 back from the tour and they were exhausted. Eleven solid 823 00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:17,760 months on tour. 824 00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,119 Speaker 4: And eleven months of killing it every night, hard work. 825 00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,880 They get back, the manager of the record company says, 826 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,400 great job, you guys did awesome. You host three million 827 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:36,000 dollars in a new record. What squeeze So Guinness Book 828 00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:38,760 World Record. They got one point five million dollars for 829 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,320 a ninety minute set. 830 00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: They make more money than anybody has for that. But 831 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,519 tensions are still high. 832 00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 4: The tensions are high. Even a million dollars an hour 833 00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:50,840 can't cure some of the tensions that are going on now. 834 00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:53,840 So during nineteen eighty three they begin working on a 835 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,280 new album, YEP, to come out at the very end 836 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,880 of nineteen eighty three YEP, and that album is called 837 00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:06,440 nineteen eighty four. This is a new Van Halen. 838 00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:10,280 Speaker 1: The diehard Van Halen fans are getting mixed reviews. Some 839 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,559 of them are sticking with them, some of them are like, 840 00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:14,360 I don't know what's going on with these guys. You 841 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,239 get those guys who think they sold out, and so 842 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,000 then all of a sudden, if it's popular, they're not 843 00:47:18,039 --> 00:47:20,880 interested anymore. Yeah, I don't care about you those guys. 844 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,639 Speaker 4: Her teacher comes out with the young van Halen boys 845 00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:28,599 running around the school terrorizing. Right, you've got miss fed 846 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,280 his ed and miss spelled and miss science or whatever, 847 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,400 and those spelled teachers running around. 848 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 1: You've got his kind of awkwardly cyghing mother. And then 849 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,800 when Waldo speaks, he's got this unusually deep voice. 850 00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:47,519 Speaker 4: Oh mom, yeah, no, I'm not like other guys. 851 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,840 Speaker 5: I'm nervous. 852 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,199 Speaker 1: Then my socks there too. 853 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 4: You know who that voice is right now? That voice 854 00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:56,760 is Phil Hartman of Saturnyntlin. 855 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,559 Speaker 1: Oh Phil Hartman, God rest his soul. Their success is 856 00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:04,840 beyond what it has ever been in history. They are 857 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,239 literally at the top of their game, and. 858 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,079 Speaker 4: This is where it falls apart. So eight o'clock in 859 00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,559 the morning, they're supposed to be there to write and 860 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,360 play music. Dave would show about eleven, start a fight. 861 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: And then he, unbeknownst to them, goes and finds another 862 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,840 group of guys to play with. Produces an album, a 863 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,800 four song album, which he says, Hey, you know, any 864 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,000 album has only got four good songs on it. Anyway, 865 00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:33,079 I'm just cutting off the fat. As it turned out, 866 00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:35,039 there are only really two good songs on the album. 867 00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,599 This is the ego speaking right here. He does an 868 00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:41,199 interview with David Letterman in early eighty five talking about 869 00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:43,719 that album, and Dave is trying to find out what's 870 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,159 going to happen with the rest of the band. 871 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 2: I think now's a good time on New Year's to 872 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,679 decide whether you're going to be a hot dog or 873 00:48:49,719 --> 00:49:13,679 a little weenie. 874 00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:05,599 Speaker 1: When you're doing solo work. Is the is the Does 875 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,000 this mean that the band will soon be breaking up? 876 00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:09,360 Speaker 5: No, No, that happens, you know. 877 00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,559 Speaker 2: No, I still have very I still have very strong 878 00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:15,760 tribal instincts. And we'll be going into the studio like 879 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,239 the middle of this month and start arguing again, and 880 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,159 we'll come back out with an album sometime this year, hopefully. 881 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,639 Speaker 1: He has this full expectation that the band's going to 882 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,840 stay together. But you can't be the guy who goes 883 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,559 and trashes the meetings, the guy who rates somebody for 884 00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:34,639 going and doing work with other people and then pull 885 00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:36,960 off this stunt and expect to remain in a band. 886 00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:41,559 Speaker 2: Boom Budda Boom Badida, Boom Badida, Boom Buddy. 887 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:45,599 Speaker 1: Dave is out. 888 00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 4: Dave's out in nineteen eighty five, right at the pinnacle 889 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,559 of their professional career. Do van Hagen? 890 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: The first time I heard it was on the movie 891 00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:54,039 Joe Dirt. 892 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,760 Speaker 3: No, sir man, I don't like that crap. I'm a 893 00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,199 rocker dude through and through. 894 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,199 Speaker 6: Here's my favorite bands, AC DC, van Halen, not van Hagar. 895 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 7: Who cures about the clouds When we're. 896 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 4: To Sammy officially joins the band end nineteen eighty five, 897 00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,639 just sing us song and thing bout Sonny. 898 00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:25,679 Speaker 1: All right, guys, don't forget to follow us on Twitter 899 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,239 and Facebook. 900 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,199 Speaker 4: At Shirley Podcast on Twitter. 901 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: At Shirley Podcast on Facebook, and don't forget to subscribe 902 00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:36,519 to our YouTube channel, the Surely you Can't Be Serious 903 00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:55,039 Podcast channel. 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