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<v Speaker 1>Money is in a past. All hands on is a

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<v Speaker 1>crew tragedy. Get the news right here, bring people up

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a fifty five KRC DE talk station, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very very happy Friday e to you. Of course that

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<v Speaker 2>means Dave, are that Jay Rattle? If I heart media

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<v Speaker 2>aviation experts coming up at bottom of the hour. Always

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<v Speaker 2>love those conversations, Jay and I always love to talking

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<v Speaker 2>with FOP President Ken Coverer. He is a head of

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<v Speaker 2>the Cincinni Police Departments Union Chapter sixty nine. Welcome back, Cancober.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pleasure to have you on the program again.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Brian, how are you? Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing really well. I guess I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a near full or people are supportive of

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<v Speaker 2>what you said. I know you're I believe your word

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<v Speaker 2>was frustrated or you believe it's frustrating that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>pardoned the pretty much all of the J six rioters.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you explain how why it is you take that position,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, people look at Biden's pardons of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of criminals, of all sorts of sentence. If

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<v Speaker 2>not pardons outright. He did it thousands of them before

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<v Speaker 2>he left office. And I don't know if Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>just felt he was obligated to pardon these folks. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think many people in my listening the audience believe

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<v Speaker 2>that while there were some violent people in there, and

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<v Speaker 2>no one can excuse violence, most notably against police officers,

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<v Speaker 2>but that a lot of them were being prosecuted or

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<v Speaker 2>at least face prosecution for something as simple as walking

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<v Speaker 2>through the capital doors and wandering around, which I think,

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<v Speaker 2>under the circumstances, is a reasonable thing to do. The

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<v Speaker 2>thing got out of hand, and I never was supportive

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<v Speaker 2>of what was going on there. I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>be very clear on that, and I do not support

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<v Speaker 2>anyone being violent toward police officers. My sister was a

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<v Speaker 2>retired police officer. I wouldn't want it happened to her.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's your take on this, Ken.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, And that's where I think you have some things

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<v Speaker 3>that were said yesterday were completely misconstrued because I made

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<v Speaker 3>it very very clear what I spoke about was people

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<v Speaker 3>that assaulted police officers have no business being pardoned. The

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<v Speaker 3>rest of them, that's their business, that's that's politics, that's

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<v Speaker 3>things for them. What I focus on is law enforcement

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<v Speaker 3>and those that were getting you know, hit over the

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<v Speaker 3>head with metal bats and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those folks shouldn't be pardoned. The rest of them.

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<v Speaker 3>You just walk through the capitol and you have what

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<v Speaker 3>trespassing at best. Should they spend three and a half

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<v Speaker 3>four years in prison? Absolutely not. But that's that's one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things that I focused on yesterday. And like

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<v Speaker 3>I said, maybe there was some some misconstruing of words

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<v Speaker 3>that I said, but I focus narrowly on what the

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<v Speaker 3>national FOP stance was, which was those that assaulted law

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<v Speaker 3>enforcement officers that caused injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's disappointing that they would be pardoned.

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<v Speaker 3>The sweeping of just pardoning everybody, to me was frustrating

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<v Speaker 3>primarily because you're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About all suits that were assaulted fair enough, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that adequately responds to it. And I share your

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<v Speaker 2>position about no one who is violent toward a police

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<v Speaker 2>officers should be let off. I have no problem with

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<v Speaker 2>that because I think under any circumstance it is inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, but the problem with this conversation because

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<v Speaker 2>it causes and allows people to go off on a

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<v Speaker 2>tangent and I've seen it mentioned. Of course, the Fox

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen article which is the genesis of this mentioned CNN

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<v Speaker 2>said it also led directly and indirectly to the deaths

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<v Speaker 2>of four Trump supporters and five police officers. Well, if

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<v Speaker 2>you look behind the veneer of that, yes, Officer sick

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<v Speaker 2>Nick was struck by a fire extinguisher, but the medical

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<v Speaker 2>examiner said he did not die from that. He died

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<v Speaker 2>of a stroke after he went back to the building.

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<v Speaker 2>He did not die of blunt force trauma. And the

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<v Speaker 2>other four officers, sad as it may be, died of suicide,

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<v Speaker 2>and their families claim it's because of the trauma they

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<v Speaker 2>experienced having to deal with the Capitol Hill drunken fraternity party,

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<v Speaker 2>and they some of them were injured. But again, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to excuse anybody being violence toward the police.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, Ken, you signed up for the job,

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<v Speaker 2>you knew what you were in store for. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>as a police officer, you might be in a situation

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<v Speaker 2>where you got to deal with riot control.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, there's no doubt. I mean we've dealt with in

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<v Speaker 3>our careers. We saw it in twenty twenty here, we

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<v Speaker 3>saw it in two thousand and one. It is part

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<v Speaker 3>of the job. Now, this is the hard part about policing,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're right, we all signed up for it. Is

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes police officers and certainly officers that have died, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it was directly related or not, become political pawns.

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<v Speaker 3>And unfortunately, that's what's happened here as you have all

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<v Speaker 3>these political sides going back and forth and they decide, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, let's try to exploit an officer who

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<v Speaker 3>committed suicide and let's just say, well, it's because of this.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's that's what's frustrating about this is, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>this is all just some political nonsense going on on

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<v Speaker 3>both sides, and cops end up getting stuck in the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's that's unfortunate that that's how it is, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's a reality that we have to live with every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I know that there are line of duty

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<v Speaker 2>benefits that are available. But my understanding is from the

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<v Speaker 2>folks that did commit suicide trying to claim that the

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<v Speaker 2>suicides were approximately caused by the riots, either the cases

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<v Speaker 2>are still pending or some of them have been denied

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<v Speaker 2>saying no, this is not related to the riots. It

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<v Speaker 2>has no directques correlation no proximate causation ergo, no death

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<v Speaker 2>benefits allowed. Do the CINCINNT Police Department enjoy line of

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<v Speaker 2>duty benefits if they are injured or killed in the

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<v Speaker 2>line of duty?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, there's statewide benefits. There's also national benefits that

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<v Speaker 3>officers get, like Sunny Kim's family he was murdered in

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<v Speaker 3>the line of duty back in twenty fifteen. There are

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<v Speaker 3>benefits that the family gets ensure to ensure that they're

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<v Speaker 3>taken care of. But it is a fine line, especially

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<v Speaker 3>when it's a death that occurs after the fact. You

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<v Speaker 3>know it's off duty. And we had a friend of

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<v Speaker 3>mine that was injured in the line of duty several

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<v Speaker 3>years ago, about eighteen months later, he ends up passing away.

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<v Speaker 3>You could probably draw that connection because he had a

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<v Speaker 3>pretty severe.

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<v Speaker 1>Injury, but there's no proof of it.

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<v Speaker 3>You couldn't prove that this is exactly what it was

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<v Speaker 3>related to, and therefore your family doesn't get benefits.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, cann Of, you're missing my obligations to the police,

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<v Speaker 2>which I thoroughly support. If I did point out how

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<v Speaker 2>stressful the job is, I mean, I will never ever

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<v Speaker 2>forget the level of stress my sister was under when

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<v Speaker 2>she was working special crimes and had to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>all those child molesters. I mean having to go in

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<v Speaker 2>every day to the office and look at the horror

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<v Speaker 2>that those perverts commit on children. I mean talk about

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<v Speaker 2>a bubble burst and stress inducer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there's no doubt. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I spent four and a half years in our fugitive unit,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know we would go looking for murders, rapists, robbers,

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<v Speaker 3>all these people are shooting people. The ones that affected

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<v Speaker 3>me the most, the hardest ones to go and arrest,

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<v Speaker 3>or the pedophiles or the one you know, sex crimes

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<v Speaker 3>against kids, of violence against these little kids. Those were

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<v Speaker 3>the worst ones because that's the father and me the

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<v Speaker 3>human and death wants to just take these people and

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<v Speaker 3>just strangle them, but you can't. Those those were the

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<v Speaker 3>by far the most difficult ones for me to deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine the other component to that. Then people

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<v Speaker 2>cut off and might not think about It's why I

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<v Speaker 2>bring it up. The purpose that you know are responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for molesting children, maybe in the process of ongoing molestation.

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<v Speaker 2>While you're busy doing the evidence gathering, you know that

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<v Speaker 2>that is still going on or could be still going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're sort of you can't do anything about it. God,

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<v Speaker 2>that would just I couldn't sleep if I was if

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<v Speaker 2>I was aware of that kind of thing and I

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<v Speaker 2>was responsible for going after him.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, it was certainly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a frustrating thing to deal with, but you have

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<v Speaker 3>to keep in the back of your mind that justice

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<v Speaker 3>job to do. We have to be professional, regardless of

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<v Speaker 3>the circumstances, regardless of our personal feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have a job to do.

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<v Speaker 3>It is to go arrest these people, bring them to

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<v Speaker 3>the investigators, let the investigators do their thing. That way,

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<v Speaker 3>these people can spend the rest of their lives, hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>under the prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and feeling the wrath of their fellow prisoners. Anyhow,

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<v Speaker 2>real quick here, I saw that WCPO reported it may

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<v Speaker 2>have been reported elsewhere. Response times are down in the

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<v Speaker 2>city of Cincinnati about thirty seconds more calendar year over

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<v Speaker 2>for the police to arrive. And I so people know

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<v Speaker 2>the average response time over eight minutes compared to seven

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<v Speaker 2>minutes and thirty seconds and twenty twenty three. Part of

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<v Speaker 2>the problem the closing a district five. Do you agree

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<v Speaker 2>with that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you look at the numbers and I went

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<v Speaker 3>over on with WCPO yesterday. The districts that have the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest response times were District three and District four, which

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<v Speaker 3>are the ones that absorbed the lion's share of District

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<v Speaker 3>five by its closing. And it's something that I hear

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<v Speaker 3>from officers constantly. They're frustrated about. You know, it takes

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<v Speaker 3>me this much longer to get to a radio run

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm going from this beat and I'm covering an officer,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, up in College Hill or up in Mount Area.

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<v Speaker 3>It takes longer because the district's that much bigger, and

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<v Speaker 3>it is certainly something that has been a source of

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<v Speaker 3>frustration since it's closed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess I have to ask, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>I know the answer to this, Ken, what's the likelihood

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to reopen a district?

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<v Speaker 1>Be honest with you, I don't think it's very good.

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<v Speaker 3>I think if they had the money for it, maybe,

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<v Speaker 3>but of course you know they're they're going to say

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<v Speaker 3>that they don't have the money for it, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>something that it is frustrating. I think you look at

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<v Speaker 3>the numbers and you see that it's a problem. But

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<v Speaker 3>what are you going to do to fix it? And

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's yet to be seen. I guess we'll I'll

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<v Speaker 3>hold out hope that maybe they'll come to their senses

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<v Speaker 3>and see that you know, we need to change this,

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<v Speaker 3>but who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>You just have to wait.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the allocation of scarce resources. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most important things for a city to live, thrive,

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<v Speaker 2>and survive is to have an efficient, good of well

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<v Speaker 2>oiled machine in the police department. Safety is paramount for

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<v Speaker 2>a city that wants to grow. And you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't need a streetcar. What we need are enough officers

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<v Speaker 2>to get to you if you are in peril or

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<v Speaker 2>a crime is being committed in a very short period

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<v Speaker 2>of time. And clearly that's not the direction we go

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<v Speaker 2>when we shut down police districts.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the other part too, is you know we're still

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and almost one hundred and forty officer a

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<v Speaker 3>short Oh we keep on having recruit classes.

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<v Speaker 1>We have one in now.

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<v Speaker 3>But you have a recruit recruit class that graduates here

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<v Speaker 3>in May has about forty one officers and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>Probably sixty or seventy this year. Oh No, it's an

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<v Speaker 2>We talk about recruit classes. The one thing everybody has

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<v Speaker 2>to keep in mind, I guess, is the number of

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<v Speaker 2>officers that are retiring. It happens every year, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>it happens at a faster pace than other years. I

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<v Speaker 2>get the impression from the officers that I know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I won't name names, and I want to put you

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<v Speaker 2>on the spot, but I get the impression morale isn't

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<v Speaker 2>exactly high within the cincint Police Department right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's it's just a challenge, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're dealing with, you know, being short staffed

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, You're dealing with the increased radio runs,

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<v Speaker 3>increased violence, all those things come into play, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're going to get ready to go back into

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<v Speaker 3>our events season where off days are going to be

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<v Speaker 3>canceled constantly, and it's just it's frustrating. I think a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of these things will be sold if we ever

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<v Speaker 3>do get back to our full compliment. I just don't

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<v Speaker 3>see it, you know, happening in the next five to

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<v Speaker 3>ten years. As much as the city trying to hire people,

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<v Speaker 3>you got to you gotta, you gotta make this job

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<v Speaker 3>more attractive. You know, and until things turn around politically,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, whether it's locally, state or nationally, which hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>things will be on the on the uptick now, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, hopefully we'll be able to get more people

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<v Speaker 2>Amen to that, because that just adds to the already

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<v Speaker 2>stressful reality of your lives, which that component doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to be there. If we had appropriately funded in staff

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<v Speaker 2>police force, you could at least take that element of

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<v Speaker 2>stress out of your lives. Ken, Cober, appreciate you being

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<v Speaker 2>on the program. FOP President, keep up the great work,

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<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate you explaining what you had to say

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<v Speaker 2>about the Jay sixers. I agree that violence against police

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<v Speaker 2>officers should never be excused, and hopefully that would be

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<v Speaker 2>the order of the day if it helps it all, Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>pardon the former DC police officer that was convicted the

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<v Speaker 2>death of the Andrews, the bad his name, convicted the

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy and obstruction of justice in connection with the It

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<v Speaker 2>was a Trayvon Martin situation or something like that, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>he believed he was wrongfully convicted, so at least he

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<v Speaker 2>tried to make up a little bit with that one

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<v Speaker 2>line of duty incident. Ken, I won't hold you on

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<v Speaker 2>the spot on that one. But I do appreciate your

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<v Speaker 2>time this morning, and I look forward to having you

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<v Speaker 2>on the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Down the road. All right, Thanks Brian, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>My pleasure coming up in eight eighteen fifty five KRCD

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<v Speaker 1>Stick around.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a little bit more time to talk. And then,

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<v Speaker 2>of course I always look forward to Friday or Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>Friday Eve at a thirty because you get to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to Jay Rat left a bunch of topics with Jay

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, So please stick around fifty five car the

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Air with USA and so