WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.400 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.560 radionetwork dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence, and name was dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.359 enough out here. Look, I'm new to one doowing now 34 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:03.400 and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. 35 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:12.199 Just fight. Hello, hit the fuddy out here? What quin? 36 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.039 I'm out there? I've thought of a bit of about 37 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:15.120 second nine. 38 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:15.560 I don't know. 39 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.479 Easy ann out there? Yeah, I'm walking right, heady. 40 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:20.599 I folks want to welcome my guest to the show. 41 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:23.080 It is Trey from Georgia. Welcome to the show, sir. 42 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:25.680 Hey, thank you for having me. Look forward to tonight's 43 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:28.800 conversation and my goal tonight is if it's not enlightening 44 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:32.000 for people, maybe perhaps it'll be entertaining people listening to 45 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:33.719 me drone on, but I've got high hopes. 46 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:36.240 I have high hopes as well. I am glad that 47 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:38.599 Kristen hooked us up. She was on the show a 48 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:40.719 while back and recommended you and a couple of other 49 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:42.840 guys that she does research with. So thank you so 50 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:45.039 much for agreeing to come on. Let's get right into it. 51 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.520 Let's talk about this Bigfoot thing. What gag you interested 52 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:48.599 in the subject to begin with? 53 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:51.639 It's one of those cool things that probably am older 54 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:54.280 than I. Look, I've turned sixty this week. I was 55 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:57.439 a child of the seventies. Back in the seventies, you've 56 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.520 had all kinds of cool stuff going on, and especially 57 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:04.719 in media, you had Bigfoot book, so you had the 58 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.919 fantastic TV show In Search of with Leonard Neimour, which 59 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:10.800 always had some sort of Bigfoot or yetty kind of 60 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:13.360 thing in it. He had some six million dollar man, 61 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:16.840 Steve Austin battling Bigfoot. And of course, back over my 62 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:19.599 shoulder here there was a fantastic film that came out 63 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.639 was called Sasquatch The Legend of Bigfoot, which was a 64 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:25.319 kind of a fake documentary. You look back at it 65 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:27.680 today and you might as well get some crackers because 66 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.240 it has a lot of cheese. But I really was 67 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:32.520 a cool film back then, and I remember watching it 68 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:36.120 as a kid in becoming really interested in not only Bigfoot, 69 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.599 but just high strangeness in general. Just a maya kolpa here. 70 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:43.159 I'm not really a bigfoot guy. I'm a strange crapologist. 71 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:45.039 And I'm sure Kristin has told you about some of 72 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.439 our adventures that you can't really put them into a box. 73 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:51.639 Or I got into the bigfoot thing. I had been 74 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:55.919 invited to a bigfoot conference in Georgia into Lanaga. I 75 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:58.639 was invited by one of the speakers. I was actually 76 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:00.960 staying with the speaker in the with his team. I 77 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:03.960 was a paranormal guy. I had a shirt on such 78 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:07.199 and such paranormal whatever. So I'm sitting in this group 79 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:09.560 with all these bigfoot guys and everybody kept giving me 80 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:11.840 the stink. Got that guy doing here? Each of the 81 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.120 proverbial baby ruth and the punch bowl but it's not 82 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:18.600 really a baby ruth. During the break I had people 83 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:20.680 started coming over to me and they say, Hey, I 84 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:22.480 don't want to get too far out there in the 85 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:25.680 wo because people will make fun of me. But I've 86 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:29.120 had this happen to me, and this happening. I've had orbs, 87 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:33.360 I've had disembodied voices, I've had apparitions, and probably one 88 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:35.759 of the most humbling things that happened to me is 89 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.399 the late great Bob Wilson, you know, just a hell 90 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.319 of a researcher, was on the TV show Bigfoot is Reel. 91 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:44.680 Came over to me and he said, I want to 92 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.240 know what you know. He goes, I, al will show 93 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:49.759 you the ropes on bigfooting if you show me the 94 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:53.600 ropes on all this other stuff, because the two are related. 95 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:56.600 We've got to start looking at it that way. Bob 96 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.079 and I started a collaborative effort. He brought some of 97 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:02.800 his team members from the Northeast Georgia Crypted Research. I 98 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:05.279 met some of those folks and they've become very good friends. 99 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:07.720 And I'm sure Kristin told you about ASOG, the Anomalist 100 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:11.519 Studies and Research Group, So there's a lot of cross pollenization. 101 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:11.759 Now. 102 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:14.399 The really a heartwarming thing is, of course, we lost 103 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:18.360 Bob last year the North Georgia Cryptied Research. All of 104 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:21.800 his files, passwords to his Facebook page, and all of 105 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:24.720 that went with him. So one of his long term 106 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:29.600 research buddies and partners, Darryl Nice, has morphed over into 107 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:35.360 a group called the Seekers, which is Southeast Cryptied Research Society. 108 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:38.160 I think that's right. It's brand new and basically it's 109 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.000 taking the core group of Bob's group and bringing it 110 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.079 into something new, and it's all in his honor. So 111 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.759 we're actually going out to one of his sites tomorrow 112 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:49.040 for the weekend to look at it. So that's how 113 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:51.639 I got into it, and here I am. I've had 114 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:54.439 some amazing experiences. Something that kind of started off as 115 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:57.879 a potential Bigfoot expedition with Bob and Daryl turned into 116 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:01.439 something totally unique with some good stuff sprinkled in there. 117 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:04.279 And I was able to retire from my job working 118 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:06.319 for the government for thirty four years, and actually I'm 119 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:09.199 now doing my location full time, which is research and 120 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:11.199 writing and things like that. I'm just an average guy. 121 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.360 I just had some unique experiences, some unique opportunities, and 122 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:17.000 I've always believed that fortune favors the bolt, so I'm 123 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:19.120 out there grabbing all of it while I still can. 124 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:20.240 I love it. Man. 125 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:22.639 Let's talk a little bit about the paranormal stuff. Because 126 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:26.959 I started out having those kind of experiences as a child, 127 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:29.680 and that got me interested in cryptids and all of 128 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.480 the crazy and wild things that I've been chasing for 129 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:34.920 the rest of my life. So did it start with 130 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:37.519 the paranormal experiences for you? Is that what got you 131 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:40.600 interested in doing this? Can you talk about some of 132 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:42.759 those experiences that you have, and then obviously we'll move 133 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:44.959 into the bigfoot thing and get into some of those experiences. 134 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:45.160 Yes. 135 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:50.680 Absolutely, My interest initially was always more paranormal kind of stuff. 136 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:52.560 I was interested in it growing up. I read a 137 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:54.439 lot of books, of course, and you know, you had 138 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.600 TV shows like Project UFO, in search Of and all 139 00:06:57.680 --> 00:06:59.600 of that, and I am such a geek. I've got 140 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.319 all of In search Of and all the Project UFO 141 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.959 and DVDs. I'm that guy. So I was always curious 142 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:09.399 about this. There was a local paranormal group here where 143 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:13.079 I lived. If you remember, back in the mid late 144 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:16.360 nineties early two thousands, you had all the paranormal TV 145 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:18.839 shows off and everybody all these groups are popping up 146 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:22.000 like mushrooms. I applied to join this group, which was 147 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:25.160 pretty well known. I started researching that and this is 148 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:26.959 going to sound weird because this gets the day at 149 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:29.600 the office for me. But we've had everything from apparitions 150 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:35.040 we've called on film, to objects moving by themselves, disembodied voices, 151 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:41.240 disembodied footsteps, EVPs, instrumental transcommunications, all of that stuff. As 152 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.240 the things started to wind down, that real interest in 153 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:46.879 the TV show started to wane with the public. We 154 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.639 stopped getting many referrals. You know, you can only saturate 155 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.759 a market for so long before it starts to peter out. 156 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:56.759 I decided that I was going to start researching places 157 00:07:56.839 --> 00:08:00.160 that were outside. I'm an outside guy. I've hunted big 158 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.560 game in Africa and all over North America. I'm an 159 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:06.639 eagle scout. I have the fifty mile Er Award three times. 160 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:09.879 I'm just an outdoorsy guy. I thought I would take 161 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:13.120 my expertise in my experience with this group. The founders 162 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:15.800 eventually drifted off left of the paranormal society with me, 163 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:19.439 so I started moving it into actually taking it outside, 164 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:23.199 taking the laboratory into the wild, which is something that 165 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.399 I think we really have to do. I studied under 166 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:28.399 people like doctor William Roll in college at the University 167 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.639 of West Georgia, which now has a very robust paranormal 168 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:35.600 Parapsychology lab and department. I've lectured there. I was featured 169 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:38.360 in their alumni magazine. Now come from that Woo background, 170 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:41.399 But the more I talk to people, of course, you're 171 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:43.840 seeing the film A flash of Beauty about Bigfoot, and 172 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.360 I've had a chance to sit down and talk to 173 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:50.399 Tobe about it. This stuff is so interconnected. It's just relational, 174 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.240 and as human beings we have to pull our head 175 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:55.480 out of our boxes and look around and say, Okay, 176 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:57.840 there's other stuff going on here, and I would be 177 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:01.039 an absolute fool not to look look at it. There's 178 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:03.279 a film coming out next month. I'll be at the 179 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:06.360 premiere for that in Coleman, Alabama. It's called a crypt 180 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.320 Encounter Land between the Lakes with Greg Gogoles out that 181 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:12.039 film will be premiering. It started off as a very 182 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.480 good cryptid film, the Land between the Lakes, that has 183 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:16.960 Adam Davies in it. I know you know who he is. 184 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:19.559 Adam and Greg and his team are out Land between 185 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:21.840 the Lakes and they started having this other stuff happen, 186 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:25.200 this other weird stuff. So they decided to come to 187 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:27.799 our research area, which is more of a Woo Woo area, 188 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.720 which has some bigfoot stuff too. They had some amazing 189 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:34.240 experiences there. So it's really nice to see that people 190 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:37.080 who just are interested in finding out what the heck 191 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:39.559 is going on in this amazing world are starting to 192 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:41.679 talk to each other, pull their head out of their 193 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.000 preconceived notions of what high strangeness is, he cooperate in 194 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:47.240 experience it for themselves. 195 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.000 Let's talk a little bit about some of the experiences 196 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.120 that you've had since you got into the bigfoot thing. 197 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.159 You've been going out in the woods and looking into 198 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:57.000 all of this at once. What kind of experiences have 199 00:09:57.159 --> 00:09:57.480 you had. 200 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:00.879 We were actually researching at our site a few years ago, 201 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:04.480 the folklore of this area. Forgive me, folks, I'm not 202 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:07.279 going to disclose the location. I was out of Yates 203 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.720 Place one time after that was outed, and you can't 204 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:11.440 really do a lot of good research there anymore, so 205 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:13.440 I'm not going to talk about where this area is. 206 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:16.559 We were out at that area doing some research, and 207 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:19.600 the folklore of that area talks about a white hominid, 208 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:22.799 white bigfoot like creature. You go all the way back 209 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.639 into Cherokee legends, they talk about the stone coated giants 210 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:28.879 all of the legends that talk about the friends of 211 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.200 the forest and the beings that lived there. One of 212 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:34.639 the more recent folklores is something they called the white Thing. 213 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:39.480 It was basically a giant white hominid that people would see, 214 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.879 and there were also plenty of newspaper accounts about the 215 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:47.279 sheriff's posse chasing wild men that were harassing local farmers. 216 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:51.159 Lo and behold, we had the white Thing actually was 217 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:54.919 called observing our camp the ubiquitous tree peeper looking around, 218 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:57.759 looking at you and coming back. Had one of those 219 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:01.240 watching our campsite. So the women that saw this. He 220 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.480 was in the midst of taking care of some late 221 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:07.080 night biological business. Too much coffee, so he was outside 222 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:10.440 taking care of some biological business, saw the thing, saw 223 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:14.080 the white thing, and quickly reconstituted himself. Went to wake 224 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:16.399 up Kristen so she could get out there with her thermal. 225 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:18.480 By the time she was able to get out there 226 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.000 with the thermal, none of it was there. Where it 227 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:24.440 got weird is there was no residual heat from it there, 228 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.159 so there was no warmth on the tree. There was 229 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:29.440 no warm footfalls or anything like that. The next morning, 230 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:32.600 a lot of the team had been trained as the trackers. 231 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.159 We got out there with our tracking sticks and all that, 232 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:37.480 trying to find where the thing was that we could 233 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:40.879 find any bark that was disturbed, any depressions, and then 234 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:43.440 see if we could establish a track line moving away 235 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.440 from it. And we could never find where anything physical 236 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:49.000 was there. And that's where it starts to get weird, 237 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:51.799 is we just couldn't find a track line. We couldn't 238 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:55.639 find suppressed vegetation, we couldn't find disturbed grass or rocks, 239 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:59.879 nothing like that. During that same trip, we had David 240 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:04.159 doing Terry Windell had come from the Carolina to spend 241 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:06.399 some time with us. I had taken them out to 242 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:08.679 our area and we're showing them some of the areas 243 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:12.039 and there's a photograph of me and I'm briefing the 244 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.519 team with area and you can see me talking and all. 245 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:19.000 In the background, everybody talks about blob squatches. I get it, Okay, 246 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:21.559 I get it. And in the background there is a 247 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:24.559 blob squatch. But you zoom in and you can see 248 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.720 a brow ridge. You can see the muzzle, the protruding midface. 249 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:31.399 We went back there and we couldn't find anything that 250 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:34.000 matched up with that particular photograph. But I had to 251 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:37.440 be honest, I would call it a blob squatch this place. Also, 252 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:39.240 christ and I have been out there in the middle 253 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:41.039 of the night and up on top of a ridge. 254 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:44.399 She and I have heard something very much akin to 255 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:48.080 on more Heads of Sierra sounds that samurai chatter that 256 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.720 kind of real soft, real faint like that. So we've 257 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:55.720 heard that. We've had things slap trees, wood knocks and 258 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:57.559 all of that. So that's had this one set that 259 00:12:57.639 --> 00:12:59.799 we have research on the site we're going to tomorrow 260 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:03.320 has had some really cool stuff. We were out there 261 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:06.360 about two years ago and had set up a plan 262 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:09.440 to walk down this trail. It was basically a blogging 263 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.159 road and it had small trails like fire breaks coming 264 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.200 off of it at nine degree perpendicular to it. So 265 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:18.480 as we were walking there, I was up in front 266 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:22.039 with Matt delf from Virginia. We saw a dark figure 267 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:25.799 run across the road. It had a almost a like 268 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:30.039 a septic tank smell, very just putrid, very rotten smelling. 269 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.159 So we got real excited and the idea was as 270 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.000 we would move down the trail, we would send off 271 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:39.480 a team off of one of the perpendicular firebreaks and 272 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.080 they would set up what's called an LPOP, a listening 273 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:46.279 post observation post, very quiet, two people sitting in the dark, 274 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:49.120 back to back with night vision and thermals. The idea 275 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:50.559 is the team would go down to the end of 276 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.519 the road, be very loud, very obnoxious, and then they 277 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:56.960 would walk back. And the idea was if something had 278 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:00.399 their interest peaked by them, it would we used to 279 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:02.519 call on the military handrailing them. They would walk along 280 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:05.759 here and they would follow through the woods. Hopefully this 281 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:08.759 LPOP would be able to interdict it. And sure enough, 282 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:10.679 as we were sitting there and I was on the LPOP, 283 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:15.440 if something approached us and must have noticed us, and 284 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:17.879 then it did, like a military patrol will that stopped, 285 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:21.000 went all the way around us, and they kept going. 286 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:23.840 But I got to throw some WO in there because 287 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:26.120 I'm the WU guy. Okay, I didn't go looking for 288 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:28.799 the WU found me as we were doing that. I'm 289 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:31.600 looking through my night vision right over here on my shoulder. 290 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:34.600 Their ANPVS seven's Gen threes. It's a good set of 291 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:37.240 night vision. I noticed my neck and eye a very 292 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.200 faint light almost You always hear the folklore of the 293 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:45.039 Haunted Lady carrying a candle through the forest, or the lantern, 294 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:47.639 the old man with the lantern you're looking for his dog, 295 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:49.840 or whatever, all kinds of folk lawyer in the South. 296 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:52.679 I saw something like that and I'm like, that's really cool. 297 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.240 So I dropped down my MVGS. It was a ORB 298 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:59.480 about eighteen inches in diameter, clear as day through the 299 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:03.480 night vision and floating around probably about eight feet off 300 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:08.200 the ground. Here we had potential sasquatch activity and we 301 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:09.200 had orbs. 302 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:12.840 And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll 303 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:14.399 be right back after these. 304 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:21.639 Messages, which quite a few people have talked about amazing 305 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:25.039 ORB experiences. Up at Uarri was sasquatching. Kristen had an 306 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:28.919 amazing ORB encounter up a Ui was sasquatching. Darryl Nisse 307 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.559 and I had chased an orb quite a ways, probably 308 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:34.120 about a mile. That's some of the bigfoot experiences we've 309 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:38.240 had there. And we're still having these disembodied voices. Sometimes 310 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:41.360 they sound guttural, sometimes they sound like people talking or singing. 311 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:45.120 Is recently as last month by this location. The other 312 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:49.120 location where we had the mysterious candlelight orb, Kristen caught 313 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:52.440 a fantastic piece of a video on her thermal. Probably 314 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:54.519 one of the most amazing pieces of thermal I've ever seen, 315 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:56.759 because you have to look at it with a very 316 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:01.120 broad mind. She heard something going on. Of course that 317 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:03.039 was a one trip I couldn't go to that's just 318 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:05.480 the way it works out. But she heard something going 319 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:08.639 on out in the distance, in the pitch blackness. She 320 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.080 brings her thermo up. I think at that time she 321 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:15.240 was running a ATNTS for maybe a high end thermal. 322 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:18.360 So he's looking around with the thermal, didn't really see anything, 323 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:22.519 comes back and she's reviewing it. Upon the review, she 324 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:28.320 sees a head and shoulders with a small tree moving 325 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:32.279 like this. And what's really amazing about this is, of 326 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:37.159 course a high and thermal measures variances of temperature as 327 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.840 compared to the ambient temperature around it. This thing is 328 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.759 just a few degrees warmer than the ambient temperature. It's 329 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.480 almost exactly the same temperature as the surrounding, which does 330 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:53.120 not lend itself to the way a warm blooded animal 331 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:56.039 would look on thermal. I went back after I saw 332 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:59.639 that video and I looked at some drone footage where 333 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:04.640 they were mapping and determining the populations of baboons in 334 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:08.279 the jungle, and they had a drone with thermals on it, 335 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:12.960 and you would see the kind of muddled down insulated 336 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:15.839 fur of the baboon, but when they would look up, 337 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.960 you would see a bright red face. It was very 338 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.960 obvious that these were primates with a very hot face, 339 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:24.759 very distinct. The thing that the Christian called on her 340 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:29.119 thermal was the whole thing was just a few degrees different, 341 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:31.480 I think at the same place at the same time 342 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:34.440 it was another thermal. They caught a creature standing there. 343 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.160 I think that was Greg Ogels. So that was cool. 344 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:39.319 Now we go back to our site, this other side, 345 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:44.319 this Woo site, and Bob on his thermal caught a large, 346 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.880 hulking figure standing in the woodline. And it's like a 347 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:50.880 imagine like a bucket sitting on a set of shoulders 348 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:55.359 with long gangly arms that was actually colder than the environment. 349 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:58.400 You look at this stuff and you have to say, 350 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:03.440 does the gigantic if theis model really fit anymore. But 351 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:07.839 now people are starting to talk more about maybe Bigfoot, 352 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:10.519 or at least some sub section of what we call 353 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:15.440 bigfutter sasquatch has some capabilities that are very unique, very 354 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:18.880 much outside what you would expect a large primate, gigantic pithesis, 355 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:22.359 undocumented mountain eight whatever to have. That's exciting too, to 356 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:24.079 be on the right on the cutting edge of some 357 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:25.960 of that research and discoveries. 358 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:31.920 Yeah, I'm definitely torn because my brain tells me it's 359 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:35.720 a flesh and blood creature. I believe that I've interviewed 360 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.400 at this point over one thousand people, well over five 361 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:40.880 hundred episodes of the show. Out of a thousand people 362 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.480 or so that I've interviewed about potential Bigfoot activity or encounters, 363 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:48.720 there are that group of people, and I would say 364 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.440 it's probably twenty twenty five percent of those people that 365 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:58.559 have these other I would consider unexplainable, more paranormal types 366 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:00.440 of things. And I've always put those in a I 367 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:02.839 was a cop for sixteen years, so I check a 368 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:05.000 lot of boxes. You want to put everything in a box. 369 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:07.319 And as you said earlier, you were talking about taking 370 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:08.839 your head out of that box. And I've had to 371 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:11.839 do that as an investigator, a researcher looking into this, 372 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:14.799 and I tell you I used to separate that, but 373 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.039 I don't separate those experiences anymore because I've had some 374 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:22.920 pretty strange experiences just in the last probably five months 375 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:28.839 that are Bigfoot related and something very unexplainable at the 376 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:32.359 same time that other people have told me. So as 377 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:34.759 a researcher, I have to open my mind, or at 378 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:36.920 least I opened my mind. Plenty of people don't. They 379 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:38.920 stick in that flesh and blood camp and they don't 380 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:41.400 want to hear anything about any high strangeness or WU. 381 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:44.799 I'm not that guy, So I'm excited to have more 382 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:47.880 conversations about that because, look, I say this often, we've 383 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:50.720 been doing the same thing for five or six decades, 384 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.400 basically since sixty seven, let's say, since the past of 385 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:56.640 Gimlin Film, looking for these things in that way. I've 386 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.440 talked to people like Tom Powell. I've had Christopher Noel 387 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:03.880 recently on the podcast and we've had some conversations about 388 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:07.519 looking in other directions. Tom Powell said something to me, 389 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:09.480 and I've quoted it several times on the show since 390 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:11.680 Tom said look, and he's a good friend of Cliff Barrick. 391 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:14.400 Cliff wrote forward to my book, so we agree on 392 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:17.319 most things. Tom said, Look, I think you guys can 393 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:19.559 keep going out in the woods beating on trees and 394 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:21.640 doing the things that you guys do, and I'll do 395 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:23.440 what I do and then us come together have a 396 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:26.599 beer and compare notes. So that's what I'm doing. I'm 397 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:28.599 still a flesh and blood guy. But right now I 398 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:30.880 think this is me and you having the proverbial beer 399 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:34.039 and comparing notes, because you're definitely in a different camp 400 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:35.039 as far as I'm concerned. 401 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.559