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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence, and name was dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here. Look, I'm new to one doowing now
Speaker 2: and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside.
Speaker 2: Just fight. Hello, hit the fuddy out here? What quin?
Speaker 2: I'm out there? I've thought of a bit of about
Speaker 2: second nine.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Easy ann out there? Yeah, I'm walking right, heady.
Speaker 1: I folks want to welcome my guest to the show.
Speaker 1: It is Trey from Georgia. Welcome to the show, sir.
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you for having me. Look forward to tonight's
Speaker 3: conversation and my goal tonight is if it's not enlightening
Speaker 3: for people, maybe perhaps it'll be entertaining people listening to
Speaker 3: me drone on, but I've got high hopes.
Speaker 1: I have high hopes as well. I am glad that
Speaker 1: Kristen hooked us up. She was on the show a
Speaker 1: while back and recommended you and a couple of other
Speaker 1: guys that she does research with. So thank you so
Speaker 1: much for agreeing to come on. Let's get right into it.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this Bigfoot thing. What gag you interested
Speaker 1: in the subject to begin with?
Speaker 3: It's one of those cool things that probably am older
Speaker 3: than I. Look, I've turned sixty this week. I was
Speaker 3: a child of the seventies. Back in the seventies, you've
Speaker 3: had all kinds of cool stuff going on, and especially
Speaker 3: in media, you had Bigfoot book, so you had the
Speaker 3: fantastic TV show In Search of with Leonard Neimour, which
Speaker 3: always had some sort of Bigfoot or yetty kind of
Speaker 3: thing in it. He had some six million dollar man,
Speaker 3: Steve Austin battling Bigfoot. And of course, back over my
Speaker 3: shoulder here there was a fantastic film that came out
Speaker 3: was called Sasquatch The Legend of Bigfoot, which was a
Speaker 3: kind of a fake documentary. You look back at it
Speaker 3: today and you might as well get some crackers because
Speaker 3: it has a lot of cheese. But I really was
Speaker 3: a cool film back then, and I remember watching it
Speaker 3: as a kid in becoming really interested in not only Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: but just high strangeness in general. Just a maya kolpa here.
Speaker 3: I'm not really a bigfoot guy. I'm a strange crapologist.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure Kristin has told you about some of
Speaker 3: our adventures that you can't really put them into a box.
Speaker 3: Or I got into the bigfoot thing. I had been
Speaker 3: invited to a bigfoot conference in Georgia into Lanaga. I
Speaker 3: was invited by one of the speakers. I was actually
Speaker 3: staying with the speaker in the with his team. I
Speaker 3: was a paranormal guy. I had a shirt on such
Speaker 3: and such paranormal whatever. So I'm sitting in this group
Speaker 3: with all these bigfoot guys and everybody kept giving me
Speaker 3: the stink. Got that guy doing here? Each of the
Speaker 3: proverbial baby ruth and the punch bowl but it's not
Speaker 3: really a baby ruth. During the break I had people
Speaker 3: started coming over to me and they say, Hey, I
Speaker 3: don't want to get too far out there in the
Speaker 3: wo because people will make fun of me. But I've
Speaker 3: had this happen to me, and this happening. I've had orbs,
Speaker 3: I've had disembodied voices, I've had apparitions, and probably one
Speaker 3: of the most humbling things that happened to me is
Speaker 3: the late great Bob Wilson, you know, just a hell
Speaker 3: of a researcher, was on the TV show Bigfoot is Reel.
Speaker 3: Came over to me and he said, I want to
Speaker 3: know what you know. He goes, I, al will show
Speaker 3: you the ropes on bigfooting if you show me the
Speaker 3: ropes on all this other stuff, because the two are related.
Speaker 3: We've got to start looking at it that way. Bob
Speaker 3: and I started a collaborative effort. He brought some of
Speaker 3: his team members from the Northeast Georgia Crypted Research. I
Speaker 3: met some of those folks and they've become very good friends.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure Kristin told you about ASOG, the Anomalist
Speaker 3: Studies and Research Group, So there's a lot of cross pollenization.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: The really a heartwarming thing is, of course, we lost
Speaker 3: Bob last year the North Georgia Cryptied Research. All of
Speaker 3: his files, passwords to his Facebook page, and all of
Speaker 3: that went with him. So one of his long term
Speaker 3: research buddies and partners, Darryl Nice, has morphed over into
Speaker 3: a group called the Seekers, which is Southeast Cryptied Research Society.
Speaker 3: I think that's right. It's brand new and basically it's
Speaker 3: taking the core group of Bob's group and bringing it
Speaker 3: into something new, and it's all in his honor. So
Speaker 3: we're actually going out to one of his sites tomorrow
Speaker 3: for the weekend to look at it. So that's how
Speaker 3: I got into it, and here I am. I've had
Speaker 3: some amazing experiences. Something that kind of started off as
Speaker 3: a potential Bigfoot expedition with Bob and Daryl turned into
Speaker 3: something totally unique with some good stuff sprinkled in there.
Speaker 3: And I was able to retire from my job working
Speaker 3: for the government for thirty four years, and actually I'm
Speaker 3: now doing my location full time, which is research and
Speaker 3: writing and things like that. I'm just an average guy.
Speaker 3: I just had some unique experiences, some unique opportunities, and
Speaker 3: I've always believed that fortune favors the bolt, so I'm
Speaker 3: out there grabbing all of it while I still can.
Speaker 4: I love it. Man.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the paranormal stuff. Because
Speaker 1: I started out having those kind of experiences as a child,
Speaker 1: and that got me interested in cryptids and all of
Speaker 1: the crazy and wild things that I've been chasing for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. So did it start with
Speaker 1: the paranormal experiences for you? Is that what got you
Speaker 1: interested in doing this? Can you talk about some of
Speaker 1: those experiences that you have, and then obviously we'll move
Speaker 1: into the bigfoot thing and get into some of those experiences.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, My interest initially was always more paranormal kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I was interested in it growing up. I read a
Speaker 3: lot of books, of course, and you know, you had
Speaker 3: TV shows like Project UFO, in search Of and all
Speaker 3: of that, and I am such a geek. I've got
Speaker 3: all of In search Of and all the Project UFO
Speaker 3: and DVDs. I'm that guy. So I was always curious
Speaker 3: about this. There was a local paranormal group here where
Speaker 3: I lived. If you remember, back in the mid late
Speaker 3: nineties early two thousands, you had all the paranormal TV
Speaker 3: shows off and everybody all these groups are popping up
Speaker 3: like mushrooms. I applied to join this group, which was
Speaker 3: pretty well known. I started researching that and this is
Speaker 3: going to sound weird because this gets the day at
Speaker 3: the office for me. But we've had everything from apparitions
Speaker 3: we've called on film, to objects moving by themselves, disembodied voices,
Speaker 3: disembodied footsteps, EVPs, instrumental transcommunications, all of that stuff. As
Speaker 3: the things started to wind down, that real interest in
Speaker 3: the TV show started to wane with the public. We
Speaker 3: stopped getting many referrals. You know, you can only saturate
Speaker 3: a market for so long before it starts to peter out.
Speaker 3: I decided that I was going to start researching places
Speaker 3: that were outside. I'm an outside guy. I've hunted big
Speaker 3: game in Africa and all over North America. I'm an
Speaker 3: eagle scout. I have the fifty mile Er Award three times.
Speaker 3: I'm just an outdoorsy guy. I thought I would take
Speaker 3: my expertise in my experience with this group. The founders
Speaker 3: eventually drifted off left of the paranormal society with me,
Speaker 3: so I started moving it into actually taking it outside,
Speaker 3: taking the laboratory into the wild, which is something that
Speaker 3: I think we really have to do. I studied under
Speaker 3: people like doctor William Roll in college at the University
Speaker 3: of West Georgia, which now has a very robust paranormal
Speaker 3: Parapsychology lab and department. I've lectured there. I was featured
Speaker 3: in their alumni magazine. Now come from that Woo background,
Speaker 3: But the more I talk to people, of course, you're
Speaker 3: seeing the film A flash of Beauty about Bigfoot, and
Speaker 3: I've had a chance to sit down and talk to
Speaker 3: Tobe about it. This stuff is so interconnected. It's just relational,
Speaker 3: and as human beings we have to pull our head
Speaker 3: out of our boxes and look around and say, Okay,
Speaker 3: there's other stuff going on here, and I would be
Speaker 3: an absolute fool not to look look at it. There's
Speaker 3: a film coming out next month. I'll be at the
Speaker 3: premiere for that in Coleman, Alabama. It's called a crypt
Speaker 3: Encounter Land between the Lakes with Greg Gogoles out that
Speaker 3: film will be premiering. It started off as a very
Speaker 3: good cryptid film, the Land between the Lakes, that has
Speaker 3: Adam Davies in it. I know you know who he is.
Speaker 3: Adam and Greg and his team are out Land between
Speaker 3: the Lakes and they started having this other stuff happen,
Speaker 3: this other weird stuff. So they decided to come to
Speaker 3: our research area, which is more of a Woo Woo area,
Speaker 3: which has some bigfoot stuff too. They had some amazing
Speaker 3: experiences there. So it's really nice to see that people
Speaker 3: who just are interested in finding out what the heck
Speaker 3: is going on in this amazing world are starting to
Speaker 3: talk to each other, pull their head out of their
Speaker 3: preconceived notions of what high strangeness is, he cooperate in
Speaker 3: experience it for themselves.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about some of the experiences
Speaker 1: that you've had since you got into the bigfoot thing.
Speaker 1: You've been going out in the woods and looking into
Speaker 1: all of this at once. What kind of experiences have
Speaker 1: you had.
Speaker 3: We were actually researching at our site a few years ago,
Speaker 3: the folklore of this area. Forgive me, folks, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to disclose the location. I was out of Yates
Speaker 3: Place one time after that was outed, and you can't
Speaker 3: really do a lot of good research there anymore, so
Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about where this area is.
Speaker 3: We were out at that area doing some research, and
Speaker 3: the folklore of that area talks about a white hominid,
Speaker 3: white bigfoot like creature. You go all the way back
Speaker 3: into Cherokee legends, they talk about the stone coated giants
Speaker 3: all of the legends that talk about the friends of
Speaker 3: the forest and the beings that lived there. One of
Speaker 3: the more recent folklores is something they called the white Thing.
Speaker 3: It was basically a giant white hominid that people would see,
Speaker 3: and there were also plenty of newspaper accounts about the
Speaker 3: sheriff's posse chasing wild men that were harassing local farmers.
Speaker 3: Lo and behold, we had the white Thing actually was
Speaker 3: called observing our camp the ubiquitous tree peeper looking around,
Speaker 3: looking at you and coming back. Had one of those
Speaker 3: watching our campsite. So the women that saw this. He
Speaker 3: was in the midst of taking care of some late
Speaker 3: night biological business. Too much coffee, so he was outside
Speaker 3: taking care of some biological business, saw the thing, saw
Speaker 3: the white thing, and quickly reconstituted himself. Went to wake
Speaker 3: up Kristen so she could get out there with her thermal.
Speaker 3: By the time she was able to get out there
Speaker 3: with the thermal, none of it was there. Where it
Speaker 3: got weird is there was no residual heat from it there,
Speaker 3: so there was no warmth on the tree. There was
Speaker 3: no warm footfalls or anything like that. The next morning,
Speaker 3: a lot of the team had been trained as the trackers.
Speaker 3: We got out there with our tracking sticks and all that,
Speaker 3: trying to find where the thing was that we could
Speaker 3: find any bark that was disturbed, any depressions, and then
Speaker 3: see if we could establish a track line moving away
Speaker 3: from it. And we could never find where anything physical
Speaker 3: was there. And that's where it starts to get weird,
Speaker 3: is we just couldn't find a track line. We couldn't
Speaker 3: find suppressed vegetation, we couldn't find disturbed grass or rocks,
Speaker 3: nothing like that. During that same trip, we had David
Speaker 3: doing Terry Windell had come from the Carolina to spend
Speaker 3: some time with us. I had taken them out to
Speaker 3: our area and we're showing them some of the areas
Speaker 3: and there's a photograph of me and I'm briefing the
Speaker 3: team with area and you can see me talking and all.
Speaker 3: In the background, everybody talks about blob squatches. I get it, Okay,
Speaker 3: I get it. And in the background there is a
Speaker 3: blob squatch. But you zoom in and you can see
Speaker 3: a brow ridge. You can see the muzzle, the protruding midface.
Speaker 3: We went back there and we couldn't find anything that
Speaker 3: matched up with that particular photograph. But I had to
Speaker 3: be honest, I would call it a blob squatch this place. Also,
Speaker 3: christ and I have been out there in the middle
Speaker 3: of the night and up on top of a ridge.
Speaker 3: She and I have heard something very much akin to
Speaker 3: on more Heads of Sierra sounds that samurai chatter that
Speaker 3: kind of real soft, real faint like that. So we've
Speaker 3: heard that. We've had things slap trees, wood knocks and
Speaker 3: all of that. So that's had this one set that
Speaker 3: we have research on the site we're going to tomorrow
Speaker 3: has had some really cool stuff. We were out there
Speaker 3: about two years ago and had set up a plan
Speaker 3: to walk down this trail. It was basically a blogging
Speaker 3: road and it had small trails like fire breaks coming
Speaker 3: off of it at nine degree perpendicular to it. So
Speaker 3: as we were walking there, I was up in front
Speaker 3: with Matt delf from Virginia. We saw a dark figure
Speaker 3: run across the road. It had a almost a like
Speaker 3: a septic tank smell, very just putrid, very rotten smelling.
Speaker 3: So we got real excited and the idea was as
Speaker 3: we would move down the trail, we would send off
Speaker 3: a team off of one of the perpendicular firebreaks and
Speaker 3: they would set up what's called an LPOP, a listening
Speaker 3: post observation post, very quiet, two people sitting in the dark,
Speaker 3: back to back with night vision and thermals. The idea
Speaker 3: is the team would go down to the end of
Speaker 3: the road, be very loud, very obnoxious, and then they
Speaker 3: would walk back. And the idea was if something had
Speaker 3: their interest peaked by them, it would we used to
Speaker 3: call on the military handrailing them. They would walk along
Speaker 3: here and they would follow through the woods. Hopefully this
Speaker 3: LPOP would be able to interdict it. And sure enough,
Speaker 3: as we were sitting there and I was on the LPOP,
Speaker 3: if something approached us and must have noticed us, and
Speaker 3: then it did, like a military patrol will that stopped,
Speaker 3: went all the way around us, and they kept going.
Speaker 3: But I got to throw some WO in there because
Speaker 3: I'm the WU guy. Okay, I didn't go looking for
Speaker 3: the WU found me as we were doing that. I'm
Speaker 3: looking through my night vision right over here on my shoulder.
Speaker 3: Their ANPVS seven's Gen threes. It's a good set of
Speaker 3: night vision. I noticed my neck and eye a very
Speaker 3: faint light almost You always hear the folklore of the
Speaker 3: Haunted Lady carrying a candle through the forest, or the lantern,
Speaker 3: the old man with the lantern you're looking for his dog,
Speaker 3: or whatever, all kinds of folk lawyer in the South.
Speaker 3: I saw something like that and I'm like, that's really cool.
Speaker 3: So I dropped down my MVGS. It was a ORB
Speaker 3: about eighteen inches in diameter, clear as day through the
Speaker 3: night vision and floating around probably about eight feet off
Speaker 3: the ground. Here we had potential sasquatch activity and we
Speaker 3: had orbs.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these.
Speaker 3: Messages, which quite a few people have talked about amazing
Speaker 3: ORB experiences. Up at Uarri was sasquatching. Kristen had an
Speaker 3: amazing ORB encounter up a Ui was sasquatching. Darryl Nisse
Speaker 3: and I had chased an orb quite a ways, probably
Speaker 3: about a mile. That's some of the bigfoot experiences we've
Speaker 3: had there. And we're still having these disembodied voices. Sometimes
Speaker 3: they sound guttural, sometimes they sound like people talking or singing.
Speaker 3: Is recently as last month by this location. The other
Speaker 3: location where we had the mysterious candlelight orb, Kristen caught
Speaker 3: a fantastic piece of a video on her thermal. Probably
Speaker 3: one of the most amazing pieces of thermal I've ever seen,
Speaker 3: because you have to look at it with a very
Speaker 3: broad mind. She heard something going on. Of course that
Speaker 3: was a one trip I couldn't go to that's just
Speaker 3: the way it works out. But she heard something going
Speaker 3: on out in the distance, in the pitch blackness. She
Speaker 3: brings her thermo up. I think at that time she
Speaker 3: was running a ATNTS for maybe a high end thermal.
Speaker 3: So he's looking around with the thermal, didn't really see anything,
Speaker 3: comes back and she's reviewing it. Upon the review, she
Speaker 3: sees a head and shoulders with a small tree moving
Speaker 3: like this. And what's really amazing about this is, of
Speaker 3: course a high and thermal measures variances of temperature as
Speaker 3: compared to the ambient temperature around it. This thing is
Speaker 3: just a few degrees warmer than the ambient temperature. It's
Speaker 3: almost exactly the same temperature as the surrounding, which does
Speaker 3: not lend itself to the way a warm blooded animal
Speaker 3: would look on thermal. I went back after I saw
Speaker 3: that video and I looked at some drone footage where
Speaker 3: they were mapping and determining the populations of baboons in
Speaker 3: the jungle, and they had a drone with thermals on it,
Speaker 3: and you would see the kind of muddled down insulated
Speaker 3: fur of the baboon, but when they would look up,
Speaker 3: you would see a bright red face. It was very
Speaker 3: obvious that these were primates with a very hot face,
Speaker 3: very distinct. The thing that the Christian called on her
Speaker 3: thermal was the whole thing was just a few degrees different,
Speaker 3: I think at the same place at the same time
Speaker 3: it was another thermal. They caught a creature standing there.
Speaker 3: I think that was Greg Ogels. So that was cool.
Speaker 3: Now we go back to our site, this other side,
Speaker 3: this Woo site, and Bob on his thermal caught a large,
Speaker 3: hulking figure standing in the woodline. And it's like a
Speaker 3: imagine like a bucket sitting on a set of shoulders
Speaker 3: with long gangly arms that was actually colder than the environment.
Speaker 3: You look at this stuff and you have to say,
Speaker 3: does the gigantic if theis model really fit anymore. But
Speaker 3: now people are starting to talk more about maybe Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: or at least some sub section of what we call
Speaker 3: bigfutter sasquatch has some capabilities that are very unique, very
Speaker 3: much outside what you would expect a large primate, gigantic pithesis,
Speaker 3: undocumented mountain eight whatever to have. That's exciting too, to
Speaker 3: be on the right on the cutting edge of some
Speaker 3: of that research and discoveries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely torn because my brain tells me it's
Speaker 1: a flesh and blood creature. I believe that I've interviewed
Speaker 1: at this point over one thousand people, well over five
Speaker 1: hundred episodes of the show. Out of a thousand people
Speaker 1: or so that I've interviewed about potential Bigfoot activity or encounters,
Speaker 1: there are that group of people, and I would say
Speaker 1: it's probably twenty twenty five percent of those people that
Speaker 1: have these other I would consider unexplainable, more paranormal types
Speaker 1: of things. And I've always put those in a I
Speaker 1: was a cop for sixteen years, so I check a
Speaker 1: lot of boxes. You want to put everything in a box.
Speaker 1: And as you said earlier, you were talking about taking
Speaker 1: your head out of that box. And I've had to
Speaker 1: do that as an investigator, a researcher looking into this,
Speaker 1: and I tell you I used to separate that, but
Speaker 1: I don't separate those experiences anymore because I've had some
Speaker 1: pretty strange experiences just in the last probably five months
Speaker 1: that are Bigfoot related and something very unexplainable at the
Speaker 1: same time that other people have told me. So as
Speaker 1: a researcher, I have to open my mind, or at
Speaker 1: least I opened my mind. Plenty of people don't. They
Speaker 1: stick in that flesh and blood camp and they don't
Speaker 1: want to hear anything about any high strangeness or WU.
Speaker 1: I'm not that guy, So I'm excited to have more
Speaker 1: conversations about that because, look, I say this often, we've
Speaker 1: been doing the same thing for five or six decades,
Speaker 1: basically since sixty seven, let's say, since the past of
Speaker 1: Gimlin Film, looking for these things in that way. I've
Speaker 1: talked to people like Tom Powell. I've had Christopher Noel
Speaker 1: recently on the podcast and we've had some conversations about
Speaker 1: looking in other directions. Tom Powell said something to me,
Speaker 1: and I've quoted it several times on the show since
Speaker 1: Tom said look, and he's a good friend of Cliff Barrick.
Speaker 1: Cliff wrote forward to my book, so we agree on
Speaker 1: most things. Tom said, Look, I think you guys can
Speaker 1: keep going out in the woods beating on trees and
Speaker 1: doing the things that you guys do, and I'll do
Speaker 1: what I do and then us come together have a
Speaker 1: beer and compare notes. So that's what I'm doing. I'm
Speaker 1: still a flesh and blood guy. But right now I
Speaker 1: think this is me and you having the proverbial beer
Speaker 1: and comparing notes, because you're definitely in a different camp
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3: Yea, you're talking about your background. My background was. That's
Speaker 3: a membership to the US Army Military Intelligence Corp. And
Speaker 3: right behind me is my certification as an Army intelligence officer.
Speaker 3: It's been thirty four years either doing that in a
Speaker 3: uniform or as a Department of Army Security specialist in
Speaker 3: the intelligence communities. I'm like you, what are the facts? Now?
Speaker 3: There's a difference between evidence, facts and proof. We don't
Speaker 3: have proof. We have facts. Like you were a cop,
Speaker 3: I was an intel guy back in the Cold War.
Speaker 3: You know, if I have the e lent the electronic
Speaker 3: intelligence from a signal that is associated with the type
Speaker 3: of radar that's associated with a specific type of Soviet
Speaker 3: artillery piece, and I'm getting a signal from a spot
Speaker 3: right there, and I look at Soviet military doctrine on
Speaker 3: a motorized rifle regiment. Now I know doctrinally how they
Speaker 3: set up their radar for artillery, set it up along
Speaker 3: Regimental Army Corps lines. I can pretty much say without
Speaker 3: seeing it, because I have photo intelligence here that show
Speaker 3: track marks was particular with that is associated with that
Speaker 3: piece of radar equipment that is associated with artillery, I
Speaker 3: can say with a certain degree of confidence that if
Speaker 3: you go to this spot, or if you launch a
Speaker 3: sortie on that, you're going to hit a piece of
Speaker 3: Soviet artillery. I don't have proof, but I have a
Speaker 3: shitload of evidence. I think that's where we're at now.
Speaker 3: I've got a lot of evidence that there's something else
Speaker 3: going on to this. I've talked to a lot of people,
Speaker 3: as have you, that have had amazing experience. I've seen
Speaker 3: some amazing video. I think thermal really is cutting edge
Speaker 3: right now. There's a lot of really neat stuff coming
Speaker 3: out with people using thermal. David Pardu had an amazing
Speaker 3: piece of video where it was a hominid man. A
Speaker 3: you know, something is something that looked like I had
Speaker 3: a head, two arms, and two legs running really quickly
Speaker 3: through the forest. It was barely observable on thermal like.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a really bright heat signature. It was just
Speaker 3: barely observable, very similar to the ambient temperature of the environment,
Speaker 3: and it ran behind a tree and never came out
Speaker 3: the other side. You've heard about track lines just ending.
Speaker 3: So how does a seven eight hundred pound hominid move
Speaker 3: across terrain and not affect the ground?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: So I have to ye look at that as evidence
Speaker 3: or fact and maybe start to have an overlay that's
Speaker 3: a little bit different than what we've been doing now.
Speaker 3: For years, I was the gigantipithesis guy because it fit. Okay,
Speaker 3: that model fit. Of course, everybody likes to pack on
Speaker 3: the Patterson Gimlin film. But I think that's a very
Speaker 3: reasonable film. I think it's been looked at by anthropologist,
Speaker 3: I think it's been looked at by FX experts, so
Speaker 3: I think it's been reasonably vetted enough for me to
Speaker 3: be comfortable with it. You look at that and it
Speaker 3: looks like what you would think a gigantic pithesis would
Speaker 3: look like. And that's the track that everybody took for years.
Speaker 3: But now this other stuff is just jumping out here,
Speaker 3: and it's slapping us about the head and neck. And
Speaker 3: if you were doing an investigation as a LA enforcement officer,
Speaker 3: if you're going down a particular route, be it a
Speaker 3: narrative of what happened or headed towards a particular subject
Speaker 3: or whatever, and you have another piece of data that
Speaker 3: comes in, you have to consider it. You have to,
Speaker 3: and sometimes it takes you in a very weird and
Speaker 3: unexpected direction. Sometimes it reinforces what you were thought in
Speaker 3: this and sometimes it throws you for a loop. And
Speaker 3: that's why we're experiencing now in the community.
Speaker 1: I think, I guess the one thing that sticks out
Speaker 1: to me that kind of sticks in my CROs as
Speaker 1: a researcher, that bothers me about the wo or the
Speaker 1: high strangeness part of Bigfoot is and I think it's
Speaker 1: a human thing. I don't think it really has anything
Speaker 1: to do with the phenomena itself. I think it's more
Speaker 1: of what we do as researchers and people is try
Speaker 1: to take something that is unexplainable, that's not proven to science,
Speaker 1: like sasquatch, bigfoot, and use some sort of enigma and
Speaker 1: mystery to wrap it in and then explain it. And
Speaker 1: that's what really had me turned off as a researcher
Speaker 1: investigator to that kind of stuff. Now, the more I
Speaker 1: talk to people that I feel are credible, that have
Speaker 1: had credible experiences that can't be explained, I have a
Speaker 1: harder time dismissing that. But I tell you I've also
Speaker 1: interviewed people that have mental health issues. They create these
Speaker 1: things in their mind. I say this all the time.
Speaker 1: I've always given space on my show, and we'll continue
Speaker 1: to do that as long as there's breath in me
Speaker 1: to do the show, to give people an opportunity to
Speaker 1: tell their stories, no matter what they are. But I
Speaker 1: think at some point in time we have to understand
Speaker 1: as researchers that people do make things up. It doesn't
Speaker 1: happen exactly the way they say. It happens all the time.
Speaker 1: But I never give space for people who don't believe
Speaker 1: what they're saying. If that makes sense, It may have
Speaker 1: only happened in their mind, but they certainly believe it.
Speaker 1: So I always hold space for that. But I guess
Speaker 1: for me, let me ask you. As a researcher, and obviously,
Speaker 1: military very nuts and bolts, very much like law enforcement.
Speaker 1: It's a nuts and bolts kind of thing. How do you,
Speaker 1: as a researcher wrap your brain around some of the
Speaker 1: high strangeness part of that and then fit it into
Speaker 1: the box. Because the flip side to that corners. I've
Speaker 1: say to people often most of the time, if you're
Speaker 1: taking twenty percent of these that are high strangeness related,
Speaker 1: and then the other eighty percent are as normal as
Speaker 1: it can possibly be for seeing a giant eight that's
Speaker 1: not supposed to exist North America. But by and large,
Speaker 1: the majority of what people experience are very animalistic behavior.
Speaker 1: They're running across a road, people see them take deer,
Speaker 1: they're gathering food, whatever. How do you reconcile that in
Speaker 1: your brain that sometimes they're doing very physical, purely animalistic things,
Speaker 1: and then there's other parts of them that are high strangers.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're more flesh and blood and they
Speaker 1: have the potential to be something more? Is that what
Speaker 1: you feel about these creature?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'll give you an example. Back in the eighties,
Speaker 3: the US Army Intelligence and Security Command was commanded by
Speaker 3: a gentleman named General Bert stubblebind And you may have
Speaker 3: heard them of a movie or in a book called
Speaker 3: The Men Who Steric Goats. I don't know if you've
Speaker 3: ever seen it. That's not fiction. That's all real that
Speaker 3: actually happened, and the US Army Intelligence was looking into
Speaker 3: things like Monroe's Gateway program. They had started the remote
Speaker 3: viewing program to gather intelligence because of Soviets were way
Speaker 3: ahead of us. And I hate the term, but I'm
Speaker 3: going to throw it out there because people understand psychic spying,
Speaker 3: using other abilities to gather intelligence that maybe are vastly
Speaker 3: different than what we're used to. There's an organization called
Speaker 3: the Stanford Research Institute that was hired by the Army
Speaker 3: to really research this, and the CIA eventually took over
Speaker 3: the program from the Defense Intelligence and there's tons of
Speaker 3: declassified CIA documents on this. So what it means is,
Speaker 3: as the remote viewer, if you're trained to do it,
Speaker 3: you can actually project your awareness to other things, Okay,
Speaker 3: to other places. I've been trained to do it. I'm
Speaker 3: not as good at it as I used to be,
Speaker 3: but I've been able to do it with a reasonably
Speaker 3: respectable degree. So there's something to us as human beings.
Speaker 3: There's more to us than this meat up it. I
Speaker 3: know that for a fact. You can even look down
Speaker 3: into quantum physics, How does quantum entanglement and spooky action
Speaker 3: at a distance happen? A particle is entangled with another particle,
Speaker 3: but they're not touching over distance, but they're the same thing.
Speaker 3: Using the dual slit experiment, how can light be both
Speaker 3: a wave and a particle at the same time? So
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff exists on a micro scale, is
Speaker 3: it possible that it exists on a macro scale? If
Speaker 3: human beings have these capabilities, is it not too far
Speaker 3: of a stretch that maybe an intelligent hominid that we
Speaker 3: share Earth with might also have some of these capabilities,
Speaker 3: and heaven forbid, maybe they've developed these capabilities a little
Speaker 3: bit more than we have. I don't think it's too
Speaker 3: far of a stretch. I don't think that's necessarily something
Speaker 3: we need to put up on the wall and put
Speaker 3: attack in it. That's the truth, and beware of truth,
Speaker 3: because there is no truth. There are nothing but a
Speaker 3: bunch of smaller truths, and they might not necessarily point
Speaker 3: to the bigger truth. I think it's reasonable that a
Speaker 3: large hominid might have some of these capabilities, and if
Speaker 3: it is intelligence, maybe has developed some these skills. If
Speaker 3: you start looking in some of the Eastern mysticism, where
Speaker 3: some adherents believe that they can change their vibrational phase
Speaker 3: and go in and out of existence, change their frequency.
Speaker 3: What if this thing can do it too, What if
Speaker 3: it has an over developed piece of their brain that
Speaker 3: we don't have and they're able to tap into this.
Speaker 3: It's just a common to them as running across a
Speaker 3: field or jumping up on a lock. It's just another
Speaker 3: capability that's perhaps more enhanced than out. Like they can
Speaker 3: jump further than us, they can lift more than we can,
Speaker 3: they can run faster. Maybe they have other abilities they're
Speaker 3: better at too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I'm tracking with you, and I play Devil's
Speaker 1: advocate when it comes to the high strains and stuff.
Speaker 1: But I am certainly I've moved into the camp. I've
Speaker 1: always been on the fence about the existence of these
Speaker 1: creatures for years and just had my own encounters within
Speaker 1: the last five months. Let's say, Oh cool, so I'm
Speaker 1: definitely in nowhere. Here's the issue that I have with
Speaker 1: some of the other or high strangeness or woo part
Speaker 1: of this, and it's something that I talk to people
Speaker 1: that it's become a pretty common thing. Two things really
Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on Number one is
Speaker 1: not so woo, it's infrasound or what people believe that
Speaker 1: they have the ability to use infrasound, And the other
Speaker 1: would be mind speak or telepathic communication. Is basically what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Have you had experiences and or been
Speaker 1: in a group of people while researching or at any
Speaker 1: point who have had those kind of experiences, whether it
Speaker 1: be potential infrasound and or a mind speaker telepathic communication
Speaker 1: situation with these creatures, and if so, what was going
Speaker 1: on when that happened. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out
Speaker 1: to see. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what all have to do is just give you
Speaker 3: the facts. What I'll tell people. Not only do I
Speaker 3: not have the answers. Most of the time, I don't
Speaker 3: even know what the dog on questions are. I'm just
Speaker 3: experiencing this stuff as we're researching it from day to day.
Speaker 3: We have had anybody that's been in this business any
Speaker 3: period of time that has actually done boots on the
Speaker 3: ground research has gone to a place and something seems
Speaker 3: off about it. It just doesn't feel right. And the
Speaker 3: weird thing is you can go to the same place
Speaker 3: one time and everything's cool. You can go to the
Speaker 3: same place another time and it just feels the hair
Speaker 3: on the back of your neck just stands up at attention.
Speaker 3: Is that infrasound maybe? Is that some other sort of energetics?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: Does that necessarily come from the creature that we've labeled sasquatch?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Just because you walk into a room
Speaker 3: with high RF energy radio frequency energy, you can detect
Speaker 3: that and there's another person in the room, that doesn't
Speaker 3: mean the person's doing that. It just means it happens
Speaker 3: to be co located with that person.
Speaker 4: Like you.
Speaker 3: I've had weird feelings myself. What's causing those weird feelings?
Speaker 3: Is it intuition, gut feeling? I've learned follow my gut
Speaker 3: over the years and it usually about eighty five percent
Speaker 3: is correct. Or is it something else? Something external? Okay,
Speaker 3: so turn the page. You were talking about mind speak.
Speaker 3: We have had instances of people experiencing precognition. We had
Speaker 3: a case and see this was about a year and
Speaker 3: a half ago, where we had a team up on
Speaker 3: top of a ridge and we had now have a
Speaker 3: psychotherapist on our team. He had brought his wife. His
Speaker 3: wife was talking about feeling like something was watching her,
Speaker 3: something that she described as slinking along the ground like gollam.
Speaker 3: So she was very uncomfortable. So she goes, can we
Speaker 3: go back to where the rest of the people are,
Speaker 3: where there's a larger group, And Daryl was leading that
Speaker 3: that subgroup, that team, and he said, yeah, sure, if
Speaker 3: you're not comfortable, we certainly don't want you to be uncomfortable,
Speaker 3: So we'll go back down to the bottom of the
Speaker 3: rid and meet up with everybody else. So she had
Speaker 3: explained this, this feeling of just unease of being watched.
Speaker 3: The next night, Saturday night, that was a Friday night,
Speaker 3: we're gathered around this place our research there we called
Speaker 3: the meadow. We had about twelve people there, so we
Speaker 3: had multiple teams of people, four teams of three people,
Speaker 3: but surrounding this field and it's a big open area.
Speaker 3: It's probably about ten acres open field, people and all
Speaker 3: the cardinal points of the compass. A researcher, one of
Speaker 3: my thermal operators, when we were doing the deprief, he said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I saw a bear or a feral hog move across
Speaker 3: the field while we were there, and I said a
Speaker 3: feral hogger a bear? What made you think it was
Speaker 3: a feral hogger? A bear? And he goes, was something
Speaker 3: load to the ground slinking along when we were talking
Speaker 3: about bears and feral hogs in this area, and I said, leave.
Speaker 3: The thing was surrounded by people. What animal, even an
Speaker 3: apex predator, would move across an open field surrounded by
Speaker 3: human beings and it's guaranteed to catch the scent of
Speaker 3: at least one of them. He described it as something
Speaker 3: load to the ground and slinking. It was almost like
Speaker 3: those precognition of the night before of what she described.
Speaker 3: We've had weird stuff like that happen. Now does that
Speaker 3: come from right over here or is that from something else?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I really don't know, but we have
Speaker 3: experienced it on multiple occasions. We have some team members
Speaker 3: that are really trying to take us down a path
Speaker 3: of what they call transpersonal expansion, which is basically increasing
Speaker 3: your understanding of the world around you and some of
Speaker 3: the things you can't necessarily see or hear. That has
Speaker 3: really made us more tuned to the world around us.
Speaker 3: But you can take that for what it's worth. Those
Speaker 3: are anecdotal. You have experiential and you have empirical those
Speaker 3: are more experiential. Take that for what it's worth. We've
Speaker 3: had some interesting thing with some of the phenomena was
Speaker 3: actually evolving with us.
Speaker 1: Here's something that came up, and I do not recall
Speaker 1: exactly who told me this, but this was somebody i'd
Speaker 1: interviewed recently brought this up, and I'd never heard this
Speaker 1: theory before, and I'm going to throw it out there.
Speaker 1: It's definitely down the rabbit hole of high strangeness. Hopefully
Speaker 1: none of my listeners are turning this off right now.
Speaker 1: But she mentioned to me that she believed that it's
Speaker 1: possible that at least some of what people are seeing
Speaker 1: and would explain some of the things that you've talked
Speaker 1: about tonight, is she feels some of the bigfoot sidings,
Speaker 1: the Sasquatch encounters are possibly almost like residual hauntings of
Speaker 1: sasquatch you have passed on. That was her way of
Speaker 1: explaining what I'd said to you earlier, some of the
Speaker 1: very physical things that are clearly knocking, running and doing
Speaker 1: all these things, versus some of the more strange experiences
Speaker 1: where you're seeing something that's on thermal that's not exactly
Speaker 1: the right temperature where it walks behind a tree and
Speaker 1: doesn't come out the other side. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about that as it even being a possibility to explain
Speaker 1: at least some of the high strangeness things that people
Speaker 1: are experiencing.
Speaker 3: We have to be real careful with labels because labels
Speaker 3: are limiting. Now throw out a case we were researching
Speaker 3: on thermals. We were catching man sized heat signatures that
Speaker 3: would appear and disappear. And when I say man size,
Speaker 3: I'm talking maybe two meters tall one and a half
Speaker 3: meters wide that would appear. Get big, get small, get big,
Speaker 3: get small. Now, it depends on what optics you're looking
Speaker 3: at that through. If you're a sasquatch researcher and you're
Speaker 3: looking at this thermal, you're like, those are juvenile sasquatch
Speaker 3: and they're bending down on the ground and then standing
Speaker 3: up they're playing. If you're a ufologist, you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: there's a history of UFO sightings in this area. Those
Speaker 3: are aliens. Or if you're a paranormal researcher, you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I go back in the folklore and there's a cemetery
Speaker 3: we found not too far. That's a ghost. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: none of those things, and maybe it's all of those things.
Speaker 3: This is where talk about the rabbit hole. Go ahead
Speaker 3: and stretch it out. Unlet's dive down in there. You know,
Speaker 3: if the book The Quantum Sasquatch can be written, I
Speaker 3: can go there. What if we're talking about extra dimensional things, beings, entities, intelligences,
Speaker 3: sentient things, whatever, I don't know, and they exist in
Speaker 3: another dimension. John Keel, a High Strangers researcher back in
Speaker 3: the sixties, called them ultraterrestrials. In my book, I've called
Speaker 3: them para dimensionals. And as these para dimensionals, these things
Speaker 3: from outside of our dimension interact with our dimension, they
Speaker 3: only interact with maybe one aspect of their reality. So
Speaker 3: maybe one part of their reality drops down into our
Speaker 3: dimension and it looks like a bigfoot. Then maybe another
Speaker 3: part of their reality touchdown in our dimension in it
Speaker 3: looks like a UFO, and then another part. But they're
Speaker 3: all part of the same thing. They're all different shadows
Speaker 3: of a multi dimensional entity being reduced down to our
Speaker 3: three dimension. If I had a stool and I have
Speaker 3: a piece of paper, one leg of the stool touches
Speaker 3: in this dimension. This leg is different than this leg,
Speaker 3: This is different than this leg, but they're all part
Speaker 3: of the same stool. They're all part of the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's just been a higher elevated dimension. I'm starting to
Speaker 3: maybe look at things that way, and I've been doing
Speaker 3: a lot of researching. When I lecture, I have some
Speaker 3: kind of demonstrations I do to talk to people about perception,
Speaker 3: where at one time I do a demonstration where everybody's
Speaker 3: right in the room and everybody's wrong, all at the
Speaker 3: same time. They're totally diametrically opposed realities, but they all
Speaker 3: exist at the same time, and it's all how you
Speaker 3: perceive it. So I think when we take a deep
Speaker 3: breath and we back up, we look at that thing.
Speaker 3: As science starts moving into describing these alternate realities, as
Speaker 3: philosophers start scratching their bony heads and saying, what if.
Speaker 3: I think maybe we got to grab onto their coattails
Speaker 3: and ride along and pick up some of the nuggets
Speaker 3: of wisdom that fall from their lips, because that might
Speaker 3: help explain why so many people are experiencing the same phenomena,
Speaker 3: albeit from different perspectives. Let me jump back and I'll
Speaker 3: do an old intel story. Back when I was an
Speaker 3: intel guy, we didn't have fancy stuff. We just had
Speaker 3: paper maps stuck up on the side of a tent.
Speaker 3: As we wrote our dinosaurs into battle, we would use
Speaker 3: a piece of acetate clear plastic sheet and we would
Speaker 3: take markers in mark this is where we think there's
Speaker 3: an artillery unit, and this is terrain that you can't
Speaker 3: go through. We would actually use markers and index these
Speaker 3: on a map. Let's take that to this kind of thing.
Speaker 3: We have a map of an area and we're going
Speaker 3: to take a piece of acetate and we're going to
Speaker 3: lay up there and we're going to take a brown marker.
Speaker 3: And that brown marker is for all the bigfoot sightings.
Speaker 3: So you go to BFRO or one of the other databases,
Speaker 3: you pull them up, you start marking them. They've got
Speaker 3: all these brown dots everywhere. But now you go to
Speaker 3: move on of the National UFO Reporting Center and we're
Speaker 3: going to take a blues marker mark UFO siding. Then
Speaker 3: we're going to take a yellow marker and start looking
Speaker 3: into folklore and newspaper kounts of ghost sightings. We're going
Speaker 3: to start marking those. What you're going to start to
Speaker 3: see is geocentric concentrations of high strangeness, where you have cryptids,
Speaker 3: UFOs and the ghosts all located in a geoconcentration. That's
Speaker 3: where you're going to find the crap and that's where
Speaker 3: things get wiki. It makes me think putting all my
Speaker 3: analysts at you know, maybe there's something to that. You
Speaker 3: don't have to believe it, but maybe it's at least
Speaker 3: worth considering.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. You've talked about science a
Speaker 1: couple of times, and I have my thoughts on academia.
Speaker 1: I am glad that we have a few PhDs that
Speaker 1: are interested in this. There's a lot of closet at
Speaker 1: academia that are into Bigfoot. You're just never going to
Speaker 1: know it unless you're in a Project Zoo book meeting
Speaker 1: with Amy and our folks. But there are a lot
Speaker 1: of them out there. Jeff Middleton's about the only one
Speaker 1: that anybody's ever going to recognize. All the other ones
Speaker 1: have passed on or moved on as far as academia
Speaker 1: is concerned, and the high strangeness and the WU part
Speaker 1: of this. Most people that I talk to that are
Speaker 1: flesh and bloods would say that's why nobody takes this seriously.
Speaker 1: It's all the WU stuff. Academia is never going to
Speaker 1: look at this seriously as long as we're entertaining this
Speaker 1: as a researcher, especially with your background, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about that? Do you think eventually maybe including some
Speaker 1: of this and working together as quote unquote apors and
Speaker 1: the WU folks, if we came together, do you think
Speaker 1: it would help in getting academia more interested in the subject.
Speaker 1: Maybe because some of the stuff that we're talking about,
Speaker 1: the WO, the high strangeness, it's just Tomorrow's science, right.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to help or hurt or
Speaker 1: do you think it's just a moot point at this point?
Speaker 1: Getting that Todemi involved.
Speaker 3: That's really a tough one. My mind is an anthropology
Speaker 3: and anthropology is a very slow to evolve discipline. I'll
Speaker 3: give you an example. There was a story that just
Speaker 3: came out now looking at genomes that Neanderthals and Homo
Speaker 3: sapiens aren't the same species. They might not even be related.
Speaker 3: When I went to school, you had the anthropology evolution chart.
Speaker 3: You have Austria epithesis africanas, and you had a Homo
Speaker 3: erectus and Homo habilists, and then da da da da
Speaker 3: da da da all the way up to Homo sapien sapien.
Speaker 3: So you were led to believe that this is a
Speaker 3: linear thing, but that's not how evolution work. It just explodes,
Speaker 3: and you might have different species that appear similar existing
Speaker 3: at the same time. It's very slow to react in anthropology,
Speaker 3: very slow to change what I think we have to do.
Speaker 3: I actually was talking to somebody in the UFO world,
Speaker 3: very well known engineer, very smart STEM guy, and we
Speaker 3: were talking and he said, he goes, I think the
Speaker 3: breakthroughs are going to come through people with your background.
Speaker 3: My background, have a degree in humanistic and transpersonal psychology, Goes,
Speaker 3: I think that's where the breakthroughs are going to be,
Speaker 3: and it's not going to be from engineers like me,
Speaker 3: because you do not put yourself in a box. I
Speaker 3: think people can be comfortable with their belief set. But
Speaker 3: what I tell people, I am not responsible for the creation, maintenance,
Speaker 3: or dissolution of your belief system. That's yours. Believe what
Speaker 3: you want. All I can do is put out my experiences,
Speaker 3: my observation, my evidence. It's my video, my audio. Then
Speaker 3: put my opinion and believe you beyond the world's foremost
Speaker 3: expert on my opinion, nobody else is, and take it
Speaker 3: for what it's worth. Run with it, don't run with it,
Speaker 3: throw it in the garbage. Hey, It's all cool because
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I'm still going to be
Speaker 3: out there researching. And I think if people took maybe
Speaker 3: a more humble opinion and didn't stick their flag on
Speaker 3: it's my way or know what, because I've heard some
Speaker 3: really nasty things said about people that even consider the wooness,
Speaker 3: really horrible things which are basically right on the edge
Speaker 3: of being personal attacks, and there's just no need for it.
Speaker 3: If people really are truth seekers, damn it, seek the truth,
Speaker 3: because I guarantee you the truth of the fifteen hundreds,
Speaker 3: sure as hell isn't the truth today. It changes. And
Speaker 3: when I went back talk to you about capital t
Speaker 3: truth and little tea truths. All we're dealing with their
Speaker 3: little tea truths.
Speaker 1: Now, last question, I don't ask anybody what they think
Speaker 1: these things are. Very rarely do I ever ask that.
Speaker 1: I like to ask more of this because this is
Speaker 1: one of the things that fascinates me about this, and
Speaker 1: I know I have my reasons and I love to
Speaker 1: hear other people's reasons. What is the end game for
Speaker 1: you and your research? Do you want these things recognized
Speaker 1: by science? Do you want to have more experiences? What
Speaker 1: drives you to continue the search and keep going out
Speaker 1: boots on the ground, weekend warrior style?
Speaker 3: How are you do it?
Speaker 1: What keeps you going out there and keeps you coming
Speaker 1: back to the well.
Speaker 3: That's a couple of things. Number one is if we
Speaker 3: are able to discover the smoking gun, the bone that
Speaker 3: we can extract DNA from the tooth, the cranium, the
Speaker 3: piece of hair that won't be poo pooed by everybody
Speaker 3: and attack the analyst that did the DNA analysis. If
Speaker 3: we can find proof, that would be great because I
Speaker 3: do believe that there is enough data out there photographic
Speaker 3: anthropological spore that I do believe that there is a undiscovered,
Speaker 3: uncategorized commented in North America that ranges everywhere from the
Speaker 3: southeast to the northwest. I believe that now what the
Speaker 3: attributes of this hominid are that's yet to be seen.
Speaker 3: So I think people just need to get out there
Speaker 3: and continue beating the bushes with an open mind, and
Speaker 3: if something that comes along that doesn't necessarily fit in
Speaker 3: their belief or understanding. Don't discount it. Be honest enough
Speaker 3: to maybe take that, make some notes, put it in
Speaker 3: a box, and maybe pass it on to somebody that
Speaker 3: has maybe a little bit more expertise in that area
Speaker 3: than you, and maybe working together, putting our collective minds together,
Speaker 3: coming together as human beings and sharing our experiences, we
Speaker 3: can get to the capital t truth. But we're all
Speaker 3: going to have to do it together, not as individuals.
Speaker 1: Very well, said my friend Trey. I've had a blast
Speaker 1: talking to you man, Thanks so much for coming on
Speaker 1: and sharing your experiences.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm not a bigfoot guy. I certainly
Speaker 3: have one foot into that world. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: I've certainly enjoyed it. Like I said, hopefully it's been enlightening.
Speaker 3: At the very least, maybe it's been entertaining.
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