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<v Speaker 1>Multiple people in my family clean my father, are veterans

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<v Speaker 1>and the troops that.

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<v Speaker 2>Have been to war and now they're back and think

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<v Speaker 2>and be grateful for their service.

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<v Speaker 3>Sacrifice, love for their country, just unselfishness, all that they.

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<v Speaker 4>Do for us.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some people in this country who take extraordinary

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<v Speaker 3>steps to provide for the freedom and security.

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<v Speaker 2>We forget that those people exist.

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<v Speaker 1>We know them as the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines,

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<v Speaker 1>and Coast Guard. They call themselves soldiers, seals, rangers, airmen, sailors.

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<v Speaker 5>Devil dogs, and so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>We call them fathers, brothers, sons and husbands, mothers, daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>sisters and wives. We call them friend and neighbor. These

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<v Speaker 1>veterans answered the call, now we answer theirs. They are

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<v Speaker 1>the best our country has to offer, and we love them. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we honor them and we serve them. David Malsby is

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<v Speaker 1>your host, and he welcomes you to this community of veterans,

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<v Speaker 1>as together we are building the road to hope.

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<v Speaker 2>we've got we have a full house here today and

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<v Speaker 2>all Marines Army. We did that last week. Last week

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<v Speaker 2>was all Marines to date, it's all Army. Glad to

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<v Speaker 2>have you guys too. You've never been here before, which

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<v Speaker 2>still shocks me. I'm surprised to let you in with

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<v Speaker 2>the cap you're wearing their kip. There's nothing to say.

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<v Speaker 2>So sometimes silence is the better, better choice. You know

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<v Speaker 2>where you're at, right, absolutely? Okay, Yeah, So just Anthony's

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<v Speaker 2>one of our lead mentors. I have him introduced himself,

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<v Speaker 2>but clearly he has some things he still needs to learn. Anthony,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to introduce yourself, well, I want.

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<v Speaker 6>To stay in that category of things to learn. And

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<v Speaker 6>you've asked us all at the beginning to show what

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<v Speaker 6>branch we're in. So I'm wondering where your cognitive awareness is.

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<v Speaker 6>You're saying with all marines.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to trying to help you guys out,

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't work.

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<v Speaker 6>Anthony Murou, lead mentor at Camp Hope, originally from southwestern Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 6>served in the US Army with two deployments to Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, keep your turn cap Bond's pressures on.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, it's a little pressure, but I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>I can handle it.

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<v Speaker 5>From Kansas City, Missouri.

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<v Speaker 2>Missouri, I say that show Yes, sir, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>show me.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, fresh n I.

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<v Speaker 2>T I'll show you a better cap to wear.

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<v Speaker 7>That ain't gonna happen. Sorry, I'm sorry, this is just

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<v Speaker 7>not gonna happen. I'm always wear this cap is always

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<v Speaker 7>gonna say Kansas City on it. Unless I wear something

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<v Speaker 7>from my late pops that's that'll be a pay had

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<v Speaker 7>it now. I'll do that for him. But other than that,

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<v Speaker 7>it's gonna be Kansas City baby.

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<v Speaker 2>All right? And where Wayne, did you deploy again?

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<v Speaker 7>I deployed to Iraq eight and nine with the first

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and then we have an Army VET that's currently

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<v Speaker 2>in our program at Campope. We'll talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about that as we hear these guys story. Ryan, want

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<v Speaker 2>to terad yourself a.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Pastor, Ryan Schaffner. I'm from Houston, Texas. Hey, thanks,

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<v Speaker 3>born and raised to the show. Joined the Army four

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<v Speaker 3>got out in nineteen. I have two deployments, one to Iraq.

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<v Speaker 3>My first appointment was Iraq and that was from two

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<v Speaker 3>was eight months into it and it's like starting halfway

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<v Speaker 3>all over again. And I have My second employment was

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<v Speaker 3>with two on nine out of Germany to Afghanistan and

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<v Speaker 3>that was twenty twelve to twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. When did you join the army.

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<v Speaker 8>In two thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 2>Four, yes, sir, what were you doing before that?

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<v Speaker 8>Before that? I was in high school?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so he went straight out of high school.

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<v Speaker 8>Straight out of high school.

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<v Speaker 3>I was, Uh it was my sophomore year when uhame

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<v Speaker 8>Claim to fame. I was the chaplain of the FFA.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, yes, sir, I didn't even know they had a

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<v Speaker 3>chaplain for the f f Absolutely I was the chaplain.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you do anything or just oh, I had a title.

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<v Speaker 8>I prayed us in and held the title.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, didn't strain your back then?

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't absolutely not, you know, clean up the stalls anything

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<v Speaker 3>like that. I definitely had to clean up stalls, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>As a matter of fact, on the way over here,

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<v Speaker 3>we were talking about that because Kit bought a house

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<v Speaker 3>that's right by the agbarns for Katie is SD and

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<v Speaker 3>I told him. I was like, yeah, man, I remember

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<v Speaker 3>when they first built that and there was only four

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<v Speaker 3>because Katie only had four high schools.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Now they've just opened their tenth high school in Katie

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<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and four and went in the army.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, freshman year, I had a Lamb. My mother

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<v Speaker 3>named it Bert Lambcaster. I told her, so, I don't names,

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<v Speaker 3>because you know what's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you eat it?

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<v Speaker 7>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Some someone lucky.

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<v Speaker 8>People got to eat it again. They paid it. They

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<v Speaker 8>paid one thousand dollars to Lamb.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. So all right, we're gonna be running to

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<v Speaker 2>a break here in just a second. But real quick,

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<v Speaker 5>In the corn.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw you in.

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<v Speaker 2>So you fellas from outside of Houston. You heard him

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the the growth of the Katie is SD.

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<v Speaker 2>See here in Houston, we build things, we grow, we

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<v Speaker 2>we get bigger. Unlike how many people live in Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 2>now a couple hundred fifty.

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<v Speaker 6>Once again, they can't need an evaluation. But I like

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<v Speaker 6>that you call us failers, trailers, hey, tailors.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to home.

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<v Speaker 6>For those that are new to this, UH, this podcast

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<v Speaker 6>and radio station pastor is definitely feeling it today, So

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<v Speaker 6>I highly enjoy the uh the banter here this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember it's morning somewhere but not here. Just letting you

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<v Speaker 2>know hey real quick. I love to share these stories

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<v Speaker 2>when some of our guys who went through our program

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<v Speaker 2>previously just randomly write messages and share them either or

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<v Speaker 2>on social media or sindirect messages to me. This is

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<v Speaker 2>from Joe mclinney. Did you know Joe? I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>when he came through.

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<v Speaker 6>I'd have to look at the tracker.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know it all becomes a blurred about

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<v Speaker 2>who was here when. But anyway, he wrote, I would

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<v Speaker 2>love to thank PTSD Foundation of America for changing my

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<v Speaker 2>life and connecting me with God on a more personal level.

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<v Speaker 2>He got a selfie there with his house in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like it looks like he's in a rural

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<v Speaker 2>place that looks very peaceful and a big smile on

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<v Speaker 2>his face. How about that.

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<v Speaker 8>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which you were talking a minute ago before the show.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I were both surprised Kip having been around

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<v Speaker 2>as long as he's been around. When did you first

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<v Speaker 2>get to Camp.

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<v Speaker 5>Hope out there in twenty twenty three?

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty two three, so he's been around for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>You haven't been on the show somehow, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how you did that. But Anthony referred to the

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<v Speaker 2>difference between today and your first day. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 2>much about your first day?

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<v Speaker 5>I remember a lot about my first day.

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<v Speaker 2>How'd you hear about Camp Hope? Let's start there.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was in a program in Kansas.

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<v Speaker 2>City and I had a eight What kind of program?

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<v Speaker 7>It was a VA program. It was called PRWP. So

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<v Speaker 7>this was out of Topeka for combat trauma. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 7>there was a guy named there's a guy there that

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't think I would get along with.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are usual ones that help you the most. It

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<v Speaker 2>is true.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's still my good friends to this day. We've

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<v Speaker 7>been good friends since that program. He actually told me

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<v Speaker 7>about this place in twenty twenty two, teld me I

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<v Speaker 7>need to get down to Houston because they could probably

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<v Speaker 7>help me.

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<v Speaker 2>And what was going on? What land did you in

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<v Speaker 2>that program?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>What didn't you know? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>This is for the people out there driving around sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea who is short. So I have

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<v Speaker 2>to tell that to Anthony because he'll take an hour

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<v Speaker 2>and a half and he'll think it was ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 7>It's hard, it's hard to shorten these things.

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<v Speaker 2>The green apps in the middle of him telling the story.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, these will keep you on the edge of your seat.

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<v Speaker 5>Car Uh let me long, long story, short high speed.

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<v Speaker 7>twenty eighteen. I Uh I ran until I couldn't run

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you're doing then? Running or you.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been running from my running, running from everything.

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<v Speaker 5>That's basically That's basically what happened. I ran out of gas.

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<v Speaker 2>So clearly you thought this thing through well and planned

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<v Speaker 5>No, absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened when they call you.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh I gave up, I put I raised my hands up,

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<v Speaker 7>I spent a year in prison and uh I had to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. For those listening, think that sounds this whole sounds

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<v Speaker 2>Your first stay at camp, what was that experience like

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<v Speaker 2>Texas before. Absolutely not a little anxiety into that.

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<v Speaker 7>A lot, a lot of anxiety. But I fought everything.

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<v Speaker 7>I fought everything they were trying to do for me.

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<v Speaker 7>I thought I had myself to someplace that I had

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<v Speaker 7>I think in the within the three within three weeks, uh,

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<v Speaker 5>They started they.

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<v Speaker 7>Started falling down my face man and and Uh. I

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<v Speaker 7>remember Oliver writing a little note on his door and

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Ryan, let's go back to right out of high school,

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<v Speaker 2>you're joining the army. By the army.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, my grandfather served in the army, and uh,

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<v Speaker 3>he told me everything. You know, he didn't tell my

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<v Speaker 8>Nine to eleven happened. I was, Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>and I was having a meltdown. I was like, you

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<v Speaker 3>January eighteenth, I was at the recruiter's office.

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<v Speaker 2>So you knew you were going to go to war?

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<v Speaker 8>I did? I did. They straight up told me say

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<v Speaker 8>they you know you're going to wars? Yeah, I know that.

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<v Speaker 8>I signed up too good to war.

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<v Speaker 3>Why Why Because I was angry with somebody hitting us

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<v Speaker 3>in the gut, just like Pearl Harbor December seventh, nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>forty one, when the Japanese hit Pearl Harbor, everybody you

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<v Speaker 3>know was angry. It's like, you know, punching us in

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to get my piece.

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<v Speaker 4>Out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>What were you doing on your first tour?

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<v Speaker 3>My first tour, I was a PATCHI crew chief and

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<v Speaker 3>We worked eighteen hours a day easily. We'd sleep for

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<v Speaker 3>four hours, get back up, get back on the flight line.

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<v Speaker 3>We had twenty four hour ops continually going. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>not just in Iraqi, that's that's stateside too, So we

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<v Speaker 2>Just real quick, How different was your second tour from the.

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<v Speaker 3>First second tour? That was Afghanistan? That was it was different.

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<v Speaker 3>I was I was a sergeant at the time, and

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<v Speaker 3>down to shank and that was nicknamed Rocket City.

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<v Speaker 2>So, uh, Houston's.

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<v Speaker 8>Rocket Houston Rockets.

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<v Speaker 2>But they weren't well in certain parts of town. It

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. I definitely agree with you, you know, I can.

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<v Speaker 3>I can definitely tell you in would over there, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>go over there. I don't even think the police officers

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<v Speaker 2>Gun's point yea, Oh absolutely. Websites ptsd USA dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>Ptsd usa dot org not only for Camp Hope, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a six to nine month program baith based peer

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<v Speaker 2>to peer, but also our Warrior groups both for veterans

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<v Speaker 2>and our support groups for family members. Our family groups

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<v Speaker 2>all available online. Uh. Ptsd USA dot org. Got to

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<v Speaker 2>take a quick newsbreak for those of this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>nine to five. Oh, we'll be right back with more

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<v Speaker 2>of Road to Hope.

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<v Speaker 4>Radio Beautiful Heroes proved again Liberating Strife.

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<v Speaker 2>Full disclosure. I have a hard time breaking in on

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<v Speaker 2>that song right there, that just feels unpatriotic to talk

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<v Speaker 2>over that, that version that voice. Mm hmmm, I'd list

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<v Speaker 2>that all the time. I love that Welcome Back Road

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<v Speaker 2>to Hope Radio. Glad to have you along here. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>So first day it's some anxiety. What would you what

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<v Speaker 2>would you say your attitude was? You're just canna give

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<v Speaker 2>him emotion? For what your attitude was?

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<v Speaker 4>What was it?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean too, was just anger, which is almost every

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, pretty much. I didn't know how to deal with that.

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<v Speaker 7>That was an emotion that I like to just keep underneath.

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't like to express it. I didn't know how to,

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<v Speaker 7>especially without substances. So substances were uh sometimes that was

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<v Speaker 7>my escape, escape from anger, and I mean a place

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<v Speaker 7>now I can't do that, you know, I have to,

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<v Speaker 7>I have to feel these emotions.

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<v Speaker 5>And I didn't know it. I didn't know what that

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you mentioned the three weeks in. Was it

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<v Speaker 2>three weeks in when you broke down and cried yes, sir, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So often I'll have people ask me, you know, how

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<v Speaker 2>the program, And generally speaking for me, it's it's when

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<v Speaker 2>you see someone smile for the first time, you know

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<v Speaker 2>something's starting to click. And I mean it's the very,

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<v Speaker 2>very very beginning. But guys come in so angry with

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<v Speaker 2>everything and everyone, and it's hard to get out of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I look for the smile. You smile all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Now true, how do you think you got there?

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<v Speaker 5>Ah?

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<v Speaker 2>Was this? Was that that version of you? The current

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<v Speaker 2>version of you? Is that what you were prior to?

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<v Speaker 5>I like to.

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<v Speaker 7>I like to laugh and smile, and I like to

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<v Speaker 7>make other people feel good. And I mean I think

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<v Speaker 5>That's you know.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think people want to walk around feeling bad

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<v Speaker 7>about themselves, so sure, but I like to give that

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<v Speaker 7>to other people, and I think smelling is my way

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Anthony, you've been around in a mentor for

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<v Speaker 2>quite a while. You mentioned earlier you lead mentor basically

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<v Speaker 2>mentor to the mentors. He mentioned something that we hear

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<v Speaker 2>literally almost every week on the show, but we never

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<v Speaker 2>just real quickly let you dive into it for a

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<v Speaker 2>second before we get back to Ryan's story, But he

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<v Speaker 2>talked about the coping mechanism of the drugs, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>not one hundred percent of our guy's story, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>a high percentage for the for the John Doe civilian

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<v Speaker 2>that's just trying to you know, raise his family, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>keep the bills paid, keep the eric condition or on,

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<v Speaker 2>keep food on the table, which is a challenge. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot going on in the world's on fire. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems like every single day when they hear that, I

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<v Speaker 2>think they have to wonder how that happens and why

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<v Speaker 2>that happens. You got any from the time that you've

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<v Speaker 2>going through these stories, any insight on that that helps

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<v Speaker 2>common civilian understand how that keeps happening over and over again.

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<v Speaker 6>So obviously it's a very dynamic process when it comes

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<v Speaker 6>to every individual. Two are the same. But I would

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<v Speaker 6>and they come home and their families are broken, or

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<v Speaker 6>with them or vice versa, or you know, and like

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<v Speaker 6>I said, it's very dynamic. Is that you know a

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<v Speaker 6>guy was in war and you know this sounds bad,

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<v Speaker 6>responsibility of your family is important, it is very heavy.

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<v Speaker 6>But the responsibility of another person's life that you're covering

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<v Speaker 6>and counted on for ensuring their safety and vice versa,

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<v Speaker 6>that's an intense responsibility.

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<v Speaker 5>And if that.

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<v Speaker 6>Responsibility is just abruptly and a lot of times, you

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<v Speaker 6>vet has resentments. I've heard so many stories of guys saying, look,

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<v Speaker 6>I hear that a lot, and I think that all

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<v Speaker 6>of those factors play a part in somebody not wanting

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<v Speaker 6>to deal with that pain or you know, their their

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<v Speaker 6>pains so intense that you know, I've heard you say

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<v Speaker 6>it is that you know somebody that commits suicide, it

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<v Speaker 6>isn't that they want to diet's that they believe that's

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<v Speaker 6>the only way to stop the pain. I've heard you

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<v Speaker 6>say that, and I love that. I think some guys

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<v Speaker 6>when it comes to substance abuse, it's the only way

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<v Speaker 6>they know how to deal with that pain. And to me,

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<v Speaker 6>that's what makes sense. That's what I've observed as a

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<v Speaker 6>lead mentor.

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan. Let's get back to your second tour. You mentioned

431
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<v Speaker 2>being in a rocket city, and your two tours were

432
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<v Speaker 2>a fair distance apart. They weren't stacked right on top

433
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<v Speaker 2>of each other. Obviously PTSD's party life. He wouldn't be

434
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<v Speaker 2>at camp Hope. When did you first notice some issues

435
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<v Speaker 2>or did somebody help you notice those issues?

436
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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you right now I was having flashbacks.

437
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<v Speaker 2>So while you were still in, when I was.

438
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<v Speaker 3>Still in I got back from my second employment in

439
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<v Speaker 3>two or twenty thirteen.

440
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<v Speaker 2>Talk to anybody about it?

441
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<v Speaker 8>I did not I did was the obvious.

442
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<v Speaker 3>The stigma, yeah, of don't go to mental health, that'll

443
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:05.240
<v Speaker 3>ruin your career, and uh, you know you're weak if

444
00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:09.240
<v Speaker 3>you if you, if you need help, and that's how

445
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<v Speaker 3>that's how we were treated. And somebody set off, uh

446
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<v Speaker 3>just jokingly as a brand new private and we're out

447
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<v Speaker 3>in the field, uh, doing a field exercise, and he

448
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<v Speaker 3>set off the same alarm that uh, the incoming alarm,

449
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:25.640
<v Speaker 3>and I I came to underneath the bed.

450
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<v Speaker 8>I mean I almost died from that.

451
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<v Speaker 3>I mean I had a rocket come in and uh

452
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<v Speaker 3>blew on the other side of my tent, and if

453
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<v Speaker 3>I was laying on the underneath my bed with my uh,

454
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<v Speaker 3>my body armor sprout out over me and uh, somebody

455
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:43.559
<v Speaker 3>busted in and said are you okay? And I jumped

456
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<v Speaker 3>up and I was like, okay, I had to get

457
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<v Speaker 3>my bearing and went to the bunker. So I had

458
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<v Speaker 3>I'd have flashbacks from that, just certain sounds would set

459
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<v Speaker 3>me off in that I didn't understand it, and I

460
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<v Speaker 3>never got help for it. I never went and talked

461
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<v Speaker 3>to anybody, just because I didn't want to look weak.

462
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<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to look I didn't want They always

463
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<v Speaker 3>scared us, like, oh, you'll be kicked out and you'll

464
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<v Speaker 3>never be able to own a gun again. So I

465
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<v Speaker 3>kept my mouth shut and buried it deep and deep

466
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<v Speaker 3>and deep. And that stuff will start festering, and you

467
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<v Speaker 3>can only bury so much until it starts coming up.

468
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<v Speaker 3>And once it's overflowing that boiling pot, it starts overflowing

469
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<v Speaker 3>and everything starts coming out.

470
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<v Speaker 2>So give me just a little bit about your journey

471
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<v Speaker 2>from that to arriving at Camp Hope several years later.

472
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<v Speaker 3>Several years later, so we're talking twelve years later from that.

473
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<v Speaker 3>So I got out in twenty nineteen, December first to

474
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<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen. And my wife looked at it as a blessing.

475
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<v Speaker 3>She said, don't look at as something bad, look at

476
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<v Speaker 3>as another chapter. I didn't know what to do. I

477
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:08.039
<v Speaker 3>was institutionalized. I've the via No. I was institutionalized, like

478
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:13.000
<v Speaker 3>in my mind through the military. So, I mean, that's

479
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.200
<v Speaker 3>what I knew. I was a senior staff starting. I

480
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:19.160
<v Speaker 3>was a staff startoner for seven years when I got out,

481
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:23.200
<v Speaker 3>So I took a job contract job immediately, and I

482
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.960
<v Speaker 3>went right back to Iraq and heard that story a

483
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<v Speaker 3>few times yep. And I went right back to Iraq,

484
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:38.759
<v Speaker 3>and I was there for when President Trump hit Solmney.

485
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<v Speaker 3>I was fifteen miles away from that. And then when

486
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<v Speaker 3>I ran shot the rockets or the missiles in I

487
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 3>was there for that. I was there when they took

488
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<v Speaker 3>over the embassy. I watched eighty second fly and I

489
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<v Speaker 3>was like, gome on, boys, let's go. And I came

490
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:57.680
<v Speaker 3>back from that and that gave me trauma as well.

491
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<v Speaker 2>Know, when you visit cities or other countries, a lot

492
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<v Speaker 2>of people will look around and gift shops and such

493
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:17.839
<v Speaker 2>and fine postcards to send little notes of here's where

494
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:22.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm at having a great time. I should have a

495
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:26.519
<v Speaker 2>postcard from that the rockets coming in. That'd be a

496
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:28.240
<v Speaker 2>cool postcard. Don't you think.

497
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<v Speaker 8>Fourth of July exactly? What are they going to do

498
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.119
<v Speaker 8>for fourth of July? For us?

499
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.759
<v Speaker 2>I just got to break the tension a little bit,

500
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>get to smile back. Hey, we're going to take a

501
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.640
<v Speaker 2>quick break and we'll be right back with more of

502
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<v Speaker 2>Road to Hope Radio. It's not unusual, but it took

503
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:13.359
<v Speaker 2>a little while to go from all the flashbacks and

504
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:18.559
<v Speaker 2>things that started to dissolve devolve from there. How did

505
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:19.759
<v Speaker 2>you hear about Camp Hope.

506
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<v Speaker 8>As a matter of fact, my dad works at Meadowbrook Farms.

507
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's right, Yeah, I forgot about that.

508
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:33.279
<v Speaker 3>He's the assistant pro and they host the the golf tournament.

509
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<v Speaker 8>Well, I don't believe they didn't do it this year.

510
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.440
<v Speaker 2>And meadow Brook Farms.

511
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 3>Birdies for Hope, Birdies for Hope, Birdies for Hope. So

512
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:50.400
<v Speaker 3>my last I've had I've been in and out of

513
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:57.759
<v Speaker 3>the VA sixth floor. I've suicide survivor, I've had three

514
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:02.400
<v Speaker 3>suicide attempts just because it's like Anthony said, I just

515
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.480
<v Speaker 3>didn't want to do it anyway anymore than that was

516
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:11.079
<v Speaker 3>the only way out. And God spent me out every

517
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.279
<v Speaker 3>single time and said not today, not today, It's not

518
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.440
<v Speaker 3>your time. So my dad was like, you know what,

519
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:19.640
<v Speaker 3>he told my mom about it and everything like that.

520
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 3>My mom got on it and she's like filled out

521
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<v Speaker 3>all the paperwork and uh with my wife. And on

522
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<v Speaker 3>top of that, I draw, you know, drug my wife

523
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 3>and kids for hell because of all this mental illness

524
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 3>that was unresolved. You know, the VA was trying to

525
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:40.880
<v Speaker 3>throw medicine at me left and right, left and right.

526
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:42.720
<v Speaker 3>At one point in time, I was taking twenty two

527
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:44.640
<v Speaker 3>pills a day. I said that I can't do this anymore.

528
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Remember day one a camp.

529
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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely I walked in uh uh my sister dropped me

530
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<v Speaker 3>off at camp and uh Travis and uh he was

531
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:05.359
<v Speaker 3>a resident at the time. Travis and George were sitting

532
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:11.119
<v Speaker 3>on the the uh ah bench outside and waiting on

533
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.599
<v Speaker 3>me because I knew I was coming. So I showed

534
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.920
<v Speaker 3>up and they said okay. I started uh getting everything

535
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.720
<v Speaker 3>put together, and Travis immediately said, welcome home, brother, and

536
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.440
<v Speaker 3>gave me a big hug, big old dude and gave

537
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:28.079
<v Speaker 3>me a big hug. And uh so started in processing

538
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:33.359
<v Speaker 3>with with George and uh got everything set up in

539
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.000
<v Speaker 3>in uh in the bay and then Bay Layer comes up.

540
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:42.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm the Bay leader, okay, okay, and uh he goes

541
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:47.279
<v Speaker 3>whatever you need, brother, We'll take care of you all.

542
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Velvet Vet. Let me tell you remember your first warrior group. Yes,

543
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I do.

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00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.519
<v Speaker 3>It was uh it was actually it was actually pretty good.

545
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:01.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean I didn't I didn't say anything in my

546
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:02.480
<v Speaker 3>first war group.

547
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:02.880
<v Speaker 8>I did not.

548
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:10.799
<v Speaker 3>It was a bigger setting. I prefer the evening war groups.

549
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.200
<v Speaker 3>It's a little smaller setting and you know, get everything

550
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 3>out that you want to get out. Warrior groups to

551
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:22.400
<v Speaker 3>me are a phenomenal, you know, way to get stuff

552
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:26.039
<v Speaker 3>off your chest. And it's great because you're gonna be

553
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:29.400
<v Speaker 3>around people that they know what you're talking about. They

554
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:33.200
<v Speaker 3>don't judge you because they've probably been through the same thing.

555
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:37.319
<v Speaker 3>Somebody has been through the same thing, and it's just

556
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.799
<v Speaker 3>great to have somebody that'll listen to you not have

557
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.440
<v Speaker 3>any response back saying you know, well you should have

558
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 3>done it this way, you should have done it that way.

559
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.000
<v Speaker 8>No, we don't do that.

560
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:58.400
<v Speaker 2>You take that pastor let's go back to Let's go

561
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:00.319
<v Speaker 2>back to say, when did you get to camp?

562
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:02.680
<v Speaker 3>By the way, I got to camp. Uh, it was

563
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:04.079
<v Speaker 3>the fifth of May.

564
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:06.720
<v Speaker 2>May. So let's go back as best you can in

565
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.559
<v Speaker 2>your mind to February.

566
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<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm.

567
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Juxtapose waking up in February versus your attitude when you

568
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.240
<v Speaker 2>woke up this morning. Uh.

569
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 8>In February, I didn't want to wake up. I didn't

570
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:25.480
<v Speaker 8>want to wake up.

571
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:28.920
<v Speaker 3>I was questioning my faith, I was questioning everything, and

572
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.799
<v Speaker 3>I didn't I really had.

573
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:31.359
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

574
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<v Speaker 3>I even told my wife, I said, how can I

575
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Speaker 3>care about someone when I don't care about myself? So

576
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:40.319
<v Speaker 3>I went down. I drug my I drug myself through

577
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:46.559
<v Speaker 3>the dirt. Uh for for several months, oh, actually two

578
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:49.240
<v Speaker 3>months to be exact. And then April I ended up

579
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.400
<v Speaker 3>going back to the VA and on the sixth floor

580
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:56.039
<v Speaker 3>and got into West Oaks and then West Oaks to.

581
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:58.799
<v Speaker 8>Camp Hope.

582
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<v Speaker 2>What are you looking forward to?

583
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:03.880
<v Speaker 8>Life?

584
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:08.000
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm looking forward to. I'm living for today.

585
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:11.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm not living for tomorrow, not living in the past anymore.

586
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't need to live in the past. What already

587
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 3>happened happened. I can't change that. I'm not gonna worry

588
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:18.840
<v Speaker 3>about what's happening tomorrow because it hasn't came yet. So

589
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:24.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm living for today.

590
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Keep you now mentoring training, that's right, But even prior

591
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:38.360
<v Speaker 2>to that, after completing the program, been around camp and

592
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.400
<v Speaker 2>seeing a lot of these guys come through and a

593
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:50.280
<v Speaker 2>lot of life change take place on that campus. What's it?

594
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:56.039
<v Speaker 2>What's it like for you when you see the guy

595
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:59.760
<v Speaker 2>come in and go through the intake process like Ryan

596
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:05.840
<v Speaker 2>just described, and whether it's three weeks or three months

597
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.280
<v Speaker 2>or five months and you start to see somebody change,

598
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:10.280
<v Speaker 2>What's this like for you?

599
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:16.639
<v Speaker 7>It's a constant reminder of why I need to do this.

600
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 7>It's not just you know, waking up going to a job.

601
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.159
<v Speaker 7>It's not just waking up, you know and going throughout

602
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:29.480
<v Speaker 7>the day. Today, There's there's somebody that that may depend

603
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:34.119
<v Speaker 7>on me to be there for a smile, for uplifting

604
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, comment, you know, you know, for just a

605
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<v Speaker 7>ear to you know, just to listen to whatever they

606
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:41.079
<v Speaker 7>got to say. You know, today, I when I wake up,

607
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 7>I I have to be that support that was given

608
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:49.440
<v Speaker 7>to me in twenty twenty three and in twenty twenty four,

609
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:56.039
<v Speaker 7>and I love being able to do that. I don't

610
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:58.280
<v Speaker 7>think there's another job that I've been early to.

611
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:00.599
<v Speaker 5>For this one.

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00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:05.960
<v Speaker 2>There you go. That's one way of putting it. I

613
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.280
<v Speaker 2>like that frame reference. That's pretty good, Anthon. We got

614
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<v Speaker 2>about a minute. I want you to there's somebody out

615
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:18.920
<v Speaker 2>there and it's probably a family member watching, just like

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00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Ryan mentioned dragging his family through so much junk before

617
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:25.719
<v Speaker 2>he got to camp and how difficult they can be

618
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:28.679
<v Speaker 2>on family. But talk to that person out there. Either

619
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.480
<v Speaker 2>either is the one who's struggling or they are watching

620
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:33.960
<v Speaker 2>someone that they dearly love struggling. You got about a minute,

621
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<v Speaker 2>it's the person struggling.

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00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:36.280
<v Speaker 5>Go to a warrior group.

623
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.280
<v Speaker 6>I want to go after what Ryan says is, you

624
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:41.199
<v Speaker 6>know we have warrior groups in the Woodlands. We have

625
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 6>visual uh virtual warrior groups off of PTSDUSA dot org.

626
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 6>And if it's a family member, I would highly recommend

627
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:53.440
<v Speaker 6>calling the crisis line one eight seven seven seven one

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<v Speaker 6>seven seven eight seven three. We have a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>stories of combat vet's where they're family members were the

630
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 6>ones that initiated the process, So I would highly encourage

631
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<v Speaker 6>the family members to do that. Plus they will turn

632
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.840
<v Speaker 6>lock arms with another family that's already going through this

633
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 6>process that will help them as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And a reminder it's free to share our story wherever

635
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.079
<v Speaker 2>you listen to podcasts, look for Road to Hope Brady.

636
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:23.239
<v Speaker 2>If you'll hit that subscribe button, we truly appreciate it.

637
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:27.960
<v Speaker 2>But I also share that also our social media on

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook x formly known as Twitter and YouTube PTSD USA.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the channel PTSD USA on YouTube X and Facebook.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd love for you to share. Follow us on those

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<v Speaker 2>social media pages. Lots and lots of stories, lots and

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<v Speaker 2>lots of videos, guys telling their story, Graduates of the

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<v Speaker 2>program telling what happened to them and what's changed because

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<v Speaker 2>of Camp Hope. It's a great way to stay in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with what's happening at the PTSD Foundation of America.

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<v Speaker 2>How you can be involved in ways that obviously writing checks,

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<v Speaker 2>but also just volunteering sharing the story. It costs you

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do that except a little bit of time.

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<v Speaker 2>We truly do appreciate you doing it. It can actually

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<v Speaker 2>help save somebody's life. PTSD USA, Facebook X and YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>PTSD Foundation on the Instagram, Fellows, thank you for joining

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<v Speaker 2>us today. Thank you for sharing some of your story.

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<v Speaker 2>It's our hope that somebody out there connects with a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of what one of you said, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know somebody will, so we'll be thankful for that. But

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<v Speaker 2>thank you guys for sharing your story. Appreciate it. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you have great resks of the week, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>look forward to being with you again next week for

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<v Speaker 2>more of Road to Hope Radio