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Speaker 1: Imagine for a second that you are driving across the

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Speaker 2: You're on the highway, maybe cruising down I forty right,

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it's night.

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Speaker 1: You've got miles of open road ahead of you, mountains

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silhouetted in the distance, just the hum of the engine

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and the radio. It feels you know, empty, it feels soft.

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Speaker 3: It's the classic American road trip. Yeah, just you and

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the asphalt exactly.

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Speaker 1: But now I want you to shift your perspective. Imagine

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that directly beneath your tires, maybe a mile down, maybe two,

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there's a void, okay, a massive glass lined tube stretching

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for hundreds and hundreds of miles. And inside that too,

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moving at speeds we can barely comprehend. Is a maglev train.

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But it's not carrying commuters. It's carrying secret cargo between

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military bases, and not just classified weapons, but biological material

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that well, that didn't evolve on this planet.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like the plot of a high budget science

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fiction novel, doesn't it, or maybe something you'd see in

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the summer blockbuster.

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Speaker 2: It does, But then.

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Speaker 1: Take that sci fi image and pivot to something terrifyingly intimate,

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something right out of a horror movie. Imagine a woman

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who is medically confirmed to be pregnant. She's seen the ultrasound,

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she's had the blood work, she goes for a check up.

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Speaker 2: And the baby is gone.

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Speaker 3: This is gone.

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Speaker 1: No miscarriage, no blood, no medical explanation, just an empty womb.

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And the theory isn't medical error. The theory is that

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she was used as a resource in a hybridization program

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Speaker 3: That is a jarring shift in tone. I have to

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admit we're going from heavy infrastructure to biological violation.

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Speaker 1: But these are the two ends of the spectrum we

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are looking at today. They are exactly how do you

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hide a tunnel that long? And are we a zoo,

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a lab or a farm? These are the questions that

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keep me up at night, and they are the questions

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we are tackling today. Welcome to Thrilling Fred's I'm your host,

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ready to pull up the loose ends of reality until

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the whole sweater unravels.

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Speaker 3: And I'm here to help make sense of the mess

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when it does.

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Speaker 2: It's good to be here today.

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Speaker 1: The thread we are pulling comes from a very speci

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very dense source. We are doing a granular breakdown of

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a recent reality check Q and A session hosted by

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investigative journalists Ross Coultzart on the News Nation YouTube channel.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the video is titled Ross Coulthart Q and A

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Secret Military Tunnels and Phantom Pregnancies. And you know, for once,

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the title is not clickbait.

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Speaker 2: Not at all. It is exactly and terrifyingly what he

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Speaker 3: It is, and before we dive in, I think it's

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really important to frame this correctly for everyone listening. Please,

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we aren't pulling these ideas from a random conspiracy thread

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on some obscure forum. Ross Coulthart is an award winning

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investigative journalist. He's worked for sixty minutes Australia. He's a

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serious guy, a very serious guy. He is vetting these

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claims through sources in the intelligence community and the military.

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Speaker 1: Right this is on a major cable news network platform.

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So when he talks about secret tunnels or phantom pregnancies,

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he's acknowledging openly how preposterous they sound.

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Speaker 2: He knows how crazy it sounds.

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Speaker 1: Yes he uses that word himself, but he's reporting them

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because his sources, people actively working inside these legacy programs,

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are telling him Ross this is real, and.

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Speaker 3: That is the mission for this edition of Thrilling Threads.

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We are going to rigorously unpack every claim, every reaction,

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and every single implication made by Colthart.

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Speaker 1: In this session, we're going to look at the geopolitical

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maneuvering in the Pentagon, the physics of secret tunnels, the

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history of the Vatican, and the biological horror of the

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zoo hypothesis.

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Speaker 3: And we aren't here to say this is definitely true

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or this is definitely false.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: We are here to say Ross is reporting this based

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on his sources. If it is true, what on earth

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Speaker 3: Precisely, we are exploring the what if without taking sides.

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Speaker 1: So grab your red yarn, your corkboard, and maybe a

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stiff drink, because we are going deep. Let's start with

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the big picture, the Pentagon. We've got a new administration

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Speaker 3: Right, this was the very first thread Ross pulled on

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in asking about Hegseeth and the context here is vital

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for understanding the current mood in the UAP community.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, HeiG Sit the scene as a disruptor.

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Speaker 3: Isn't he Totally? He's not a standard politician. He's a

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Speaker 1: He's the guy who brings a sledgehammer to the meeting

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Speaker 3: The listener, and frankly a lot of the UAP community

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had this really high hope. They thought, Okay, hegg Sit

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is going to go into the Pentagon, kick down the

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doors of the special access programs and just blow the

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Speaker 1: You'd think so, right. His whole vide is anti bureaucracy.

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Speaker 3: Answer people want to It was not. And this is

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the bureaucratic reality. Ross analyzed the speech Hegsaff gave recently

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Speaker 2: Right, I remember seeing clips of that.

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Speaker 3: In that speech Hagzeth laid out his roadmap for the

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Department of Defense, and he wasn't talking about aliens. He

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was talking about tech supremacy.

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Speaker 1: Tech supremacy. That sounds like a buzzword, but let's unpack it.

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Speaker 3: He means he wants to dismantle what he calls peace

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time complacency. He wants to create an AI first force.

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Speaker 2: An AI first force.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he's talking about hypersonics, quantum computing, directed energy weapons,

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total space dominance. He's looking at the geopolitical landscape, specifically

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China and the conflict in Ukraine and saying we need

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Speaker 2: Okay, but here's where I get stuck.

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Speaker 1: Tech supremacy sounds great, But if you want to dominate

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the skies in space, wouldn't the ultimate trump card be

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the reverse engineered UFO tech that we've allegedly been sitting

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Speaker 3: Logically, yes, it seems like a no brainer. But Ross's

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Speaker 1: The back burner after all this momentum that is incredibly frustrating.

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Speaker 3: Why because of the wartime footing Ross mentions, tensions with Iran,

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Speaker 3: The logic seems to be, we need to win wars

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now using technology we can manufacture now. Dealing with the

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Speaker 1: So it's we're too busy fighting with swords to look

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Speaker 3: Perhaps we're too busy reorganizing the army to deal with

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the existential crisis of not being the APEX predator. I mean,

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strength to your adversaries, do you really want to go

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Speaker 2: That projects weakness, not strength.

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Speaker 3: That's a really good point. Disclosure looks like vulnerability in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there is a nuance here that Ross brought up,

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm listening.

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Speaker 1: Ross mentions that Hegseth has consolidated systems under a new

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chief technology officer, Emil Michael.

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Speaker 3: I cut that name, Emil Michael. Why is he significant?

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Speaker 1: Because Hegesith is using him to break the monopolistic control

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that past administrations and more importantly, private aerospace companies had

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over key committees. Runner calls this clearing out the old blood.

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Speaker 3: Ah. Okay, so the old gatekeepers are being shown the door. Ye,

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: So, even if UAP disclosure isn't the priority right now,

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Speaker 3: Well, if you centralize all the black budget tech programs

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because you want to build better drones, eventually someone is

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Speaker 1: So it's not a no, it's a not right now,

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Speaker 3: That's the theory, and we have to remember hag Set's

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: In the press gallery, the journalist started doing those nervous giggles.

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Speaker 2: Ugh, the giggle factor. I hate that. It's like a reflex,

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Speaker 3: It is a reflex. It's a social defense mechanism. We

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Speaker 2: That's the key.

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Speaker 3: That's the key. He looked at them and said, I

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have no evidence of any life beyond this planet. Give

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Speaker 1: That's a tantalizing thread right there. It wasn't a denial,

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Speaker 3: It was Ross speculates that maybe deep in the recesses

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of Hegesith's brain, there's a strategy. He believes Trump and

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Speaker 1: So the message Ross is getting from his sources is clear,

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do not expect a presidential address about aliens next week.

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The focus is on tech dominance and military readiness, which

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ironically might be where the aliens are hiding in.

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Speaker 3: The tech Precisely, they are building the haystack, and they

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the Pentagon is shuffling the deck chairs, maybe

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Speaker 2: But where are they keeping the well, the good stuff?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: This brings us to the geography of secrets.

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Speaker 1: Ravervent a lot of time discussing specific locations, and he

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have to smile the name.

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Speaker 2: I love the Internet handles in this community. Uap Gerb.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a character from a Pixar movie, but

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friend and colleague. This isn't just some random poster. This

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Speaker 3: UAP GERB has been doing these deep dies into where

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the biologics, the biological material from non human intelligence might

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Speaker 2: Bodies.

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Speaker 3: The body is the tissue samples, whatever they have. And

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Speaker 1: Middle of nowhere, scary reputation for chemical and biological testing.

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Speaker 3: It makes sense, it does. It's remote, it's secure, and

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait DC, that's crowded. That's the capital. I live

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near d C. The traffic is a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Why would you hide the most dangerous secret in human

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history right next to the seat of government.

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Speaker 3: It does seem counterintuitive, doesn't it. You'd think you'd want

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it in the Nevada desert or inside a Mountain in

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Colorado exactly. But think about it from a control perspective.

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the program managers, the generals, can keep a very close

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eye on it.

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Speaker 2: It's the hidden in plain sight theory.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, or just accessibility. If you put it in Area

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fifty one, you have to fly there. It's the whole production.

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basements in northern Virginia or Maryland, you can drive there.

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After a meeting of the Pentagon.

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Speaker 2: You can commute to the alien autopsy.

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Speaker 3: It's a disturbing thought, isn't it. But that's the claim.

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And then Ross drops the bombshell that connects these sites,

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the tunnel tunnels.

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Speaker 1: This is where my brain starts to reject. The information

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just feels too big. Ross talks about massive underground tunnel

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systems connecting major bases all network like Area fifty one

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Speaker 2: Yes, do you know how far that is? I looked

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it up.

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Speaker 1: That's roughly two thousand miles. Ross himself says it sounds

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preposter He goes, how do you hide the dirt? How

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do you do the construction without anyone noticing. We can't

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even fix a pothole in this country without three committees

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in a traffic jam.

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Speaker 3: That is the billion dollar question, or perhaps the trillion

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dollar question. Ross admits it sounds incredible, but he insists

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evidence exists. We have to look at historical precedents and

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theoretical tech.

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Speaker 2: Go on, convince me, I'm skeptical.

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Speaker 3: Okay, First look at the Manhattan Project. They built entire

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cities oak Ridge, Hanford incomplete secrecy. True, thousands of people

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worked there, live there and didn't know what they were

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building until the bomb dropped. Yeah, we have a history

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of massive secret infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: But a two thousand mile tunnel that's a different scale entirely.

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Speaker 3: It is so Now, imagine you have boring technology that

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is decades ahead of what the public knows. There have

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been patents and concepts floating around since the seventies for

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nuclear subterine machines.

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Speaker 2: Subterines I've heard this term.

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Speaker 3: The theory is a machine with a superheated nuclear tip.

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It doesn't dig in the traditional sense. It melts the rock.

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Speaker 2: It melts it, It.

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Speaker 3: Pushes forward, melting the earth, which then cools and hardens

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into a glass like lining for the tunnel. So no

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dirt trucks, no dirt trucks, no massive piles of tailings

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to hide, no convoys of dump trucks on the highway.

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Just a machine underground, running on nuclear power, melting its

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way across the continent. If they perfected this forty or

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fifty years ago, they could have built a massive network

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by now.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about a subway system for the secret government,

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a way to move biologics and craft without ever exposing

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them to satellite surveillance or highway transport.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, if you crash a saucer in New Mexico, you

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don't want to put it on a flatbed truck on

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I forty. You drop it into the tunnel network and

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zip it. To write PAT or DC at hundreds of

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miles an hour.

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Speaker 1: And to mention a specific case in this context, right,

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the Jonathan Wagent case.

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Speaker 3: Yes, refresh my memory on that one. It's a creepy story.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Wagen was a marine who allegedly witnessed a UFO

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crash retrieval in Peru, Peru. Right. He described seeing a

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craft stuck in the side of a mountain and strange

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fluid like beings. He and his squad were securing the

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perimeter when a retrieval team showed up.

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Speaker 3: And these weren't regular military guys.

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Speaker 1: No, he identified them as Department of Energy. They were aggressive,

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they confiscated everything. They threatened the Marines to keep their.

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Speaker 3: Mouths shut the classic playbook.

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Speaker 1: The claim Ross is making is that whatever they grabbed

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in Peru was transported back to the US, likely to

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Area fifty one S four, and then potentially moved through

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this tunnel network to the East Coast facility.

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Speaker 3: It implies a level infrastructure that is just staggering. If

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this is true, we aren't just talking about a few

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secret hangars. We are talking about a breakaway civilization.

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Speaker 2: That's the term often used.

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Speaker 1: Breakaway civilization, a group that has diverged from the rest

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of us. They have their own transit system, their own physics,

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their own biology lads.

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Speaker 3: Their own energy sources. They are effectively living in the

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year twenty one hundred while we are stuck in the

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twenty twenties and.

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Speaker 1: We're happy with our iPhones, while they're writing nuclear maglevs

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under our feet. It makes you feel very small, like

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we're the kids playing in the sandbox.

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Speaker 2: While the adults are running the world.

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Speaker 3: Or running the galaxy.

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Speaker 2: Fair point. Okay, let's come up for air. We've got

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the Pentagon, we've got the tunnels.

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Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the people reporting on this, because

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there was a spicy little segment in this Q and

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A about a media feud.

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Speaker 3: Ah. Yes, the Stephen green Street question.

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Speaker 1: Stephen green Street from the New York Post. He wrote

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in or someone wrote in about him, asking if Ross

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has summoned any alien spirits with his psychic powers.

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Speaker 3: A loaded question, to say the least, just dripping with sarcasm.

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Speaker 1: And Ross did not hold back. He usually keeps us cool,

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but he really went in on this one.

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Speaker 3: He did. He called green Street snide, malicious, and non

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partisan in the negative.

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Speaker 2: Sense, which is a very specific kind of burn.

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Speaker 3: It is. And what's fascinating here is the clash of methodologies.

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Green Street represents a very aggressive skeptical approach.

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Speaker 2: He does.

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Speaker 3: He often uses ridicule or mockery to poke holes in

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the UAP narrative. He frames the whistleblowers as grifters or delusional.

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He looks at the weird stuff, the psychics, the ghosts,

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and says, see, it's all nonsense.

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Speaker 2: And Ross takes the complete opposite approach.

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Speaker 3: Ross views his role as protecting these whistleblowers. He sees

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green Street's mockery not as journalism, but as a tactic

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to silence people. Ross called it a straw man argument.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was very clear on that.

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Speaker 3: He clarified he never claimed to have psychic powers. He

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feels green Street invents these crazy points just to make

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the whole topic look ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: It really highlights the difficulty of media ethics in this field.

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Where's the line between skepticism and just debunking for sport?

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Speaker 3: Exactly. Ross contrasted green Street with Miranda Devine, another New

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York Post journalist.

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Speaker 1: Right, and she asked Donald Trump a good, honest question

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about UAPs. She did smirk, she didn't giggle, She just asked,

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and because.

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Speaker 3: She treated the subject seriously, Trump gave her a serious answer.

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Speaker 1: That's a key takeaway for anyone listening who wants to

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talk about this subject.

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Speaker 2: If you treat it like a joke, the people in

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power will treat you like a joke.

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Speaker 1: They will if you ask a serious national security question,

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you might actually get a crumb of truth.

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Speaker 3: Exactly. Ross feels that people like green Street are actively

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harming the effort to get to the truth by reinforcing

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the giggle factor. They are doing the secrecy establishment's work

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for them.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of things that sound like jokes but might be serious.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the Pope the Vatican files. This is

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always a favorite thread for people.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: A viewer asked about Mark Christopher Lee, a filmmaker who

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claims he has access to the Vatican secret archives. And

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get this, he claims the Pope is preparing for first contact.

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Speaker 3: Specifically, the source mentioned Pope Leo the fourth fifth, which

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is interesting because we currently have Pope Francis.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's what I thought.

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Speaker 3: It could be a slip of the tongue in the question,

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or perhaps referring to a prophecy or a future scenario,

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but the core of the claim is that the Church

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is getting ready to say welcome brothers in Christ from

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the stars.

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Speaker 1: Ross was pretty skeptical about Lee's specific claim of access, right.

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Speaker 2: He didn't just buy it.

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Speaker 3: No, he's a journalist. He needs verification. He hasn't seen

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confirmation from the Vatican. But and this is a big butt,

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he absolutely believes the Vatican is a key player. How

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Speaker 2: I know that name.

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Speaker 1: She's the academic, right, not a UFO hunter, but a

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religious studies scholar.

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Speaker 3: Correct, she wrote American Cosmic. She did get access to

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the archives and she found accounts of anomalist phenomena going

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back centuries.

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Speaker 1: Orbs of light, angels, miracles.

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Speaker 3: All of it. Ross point is that the Vatican has

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been recording these events for two thousand years. They just

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call them miracles or demons. We call them UAPs.

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Speaker 1: And then Ross told that story about the translocating nun

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this Blue my mind. It sounded like something out of

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a magical realism novel.

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Speaker 3: It's a classic case of bylocation. There was a nun,

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the Lady in Blue, and a convent in Europe. Ross

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mentioned Italy, though historically she's often associated with Spain. She

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was allegedly appearing to indigenous people in Central or South

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America before the Spanish conquistador has arrived.

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Speaker 1: So the soldiers show up ready to convert the locals,

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and the locals are like, oh, yeah, we know about

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the cross the lady and the blue robes told us exactly.

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Speaker 3: The nun never physically left her convent in Europe. But

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the locals described her perfectly. In religious terms, that's a miracle.

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Speaker 1: But in UAP terms, is that teleportation? Is it holographic projection?

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Is it consciousness projection?

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 3: It reframes the whole history of religion, doesn't it. Yeah,

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these miracles are actually interactions with a technology or a

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non human intelligence. Then the Vatican is sitting on the

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biggest data set of alien encounters in the world, which.

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Speaker 1: Is why there are rumors about the Magenta nineteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: Three crash, right, the Italian UFO crash.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about that.

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Speaker 3: The claim is that a craft crashed in Italy under

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Mussolini in nineteen thirty three, the Vatican helped cover it

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up to keep it from the public or perhaps to

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study it, and then eventually around nineteen forty four it

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was handed over to the Americans.

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Speaker 1: If that's true, it means the US has had this

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tech since before roswell Way before it rewrites the timeline completely.

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We've been studying this for almost a century, and it implies.

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Speaker 3: That the Vatican and the US government have been partners

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in this secrecy for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing how all these threads the Pentagon, the punnels,

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the Vatican, they all weave together into this tapestry of

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managed secrecy. But let's look up for a second. Let's

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leave the tunnels and go to the moon.

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Speaker 3: That's segment five. High Strangeness on the Moon.

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Speaker 1: If you were asked about Sergeant Carl Wolf and Donna Hare,

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these are old school whistleblowers.

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Speaker 2: I remember reading about them years ago.

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Speaker 3: They are from the Disclosure Project era. Sergeant Carl Wolf

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was us app He claimed that while repairing equipment at

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a NASA facility he was an ens NASA crossover, he

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was shown high resolution mosaics of the far side of

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the Moon, and he saw in those photos he saw.

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Speaker 2: Towers, towers, not rocks that look like towers.

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Speaker 3: Towers, domes, mushroom shaped buildings, artificial structures. Yeah, and the

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person showing them the photos said, very matter of factly,

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we've discovered a base on the back of the moon.

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Speaker 1: And then Wolf died in a strange motorcycle accident.

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Speaker 3: That's the tragic footnote. Ross finds them very credible. He

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also mentioned Donna Hare, who claimed she worked for a

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NASA contractor.

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Speaker 2: What was her story.

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Speaker 3: She walked into a lab and saw technicians actively airbrushing

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UAPs out of photos before releasing them to the public.

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She has what is that and the text said, it's

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a UFO, we have to remove it.

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Speaker 1: Now. The skeptic says, we have high res photos of

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the Moon. Now, the Chinese have a rover there, the

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Indians have a rover. We don't see any towers.

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Speaker 3: True, that's the rational rebuttal but Ross dropped a little

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nugget here that gave me pause. Oh, he says he's

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speaking to current sources, people inside the program right now,

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who claim to see artificial objects and movement on the

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Moon that contradicts the released imagery.

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Speaker 2: Movement like traffic.

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Speaker 3: Movement of anomalous objects, things moving across the surface that

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shouldn't be there.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: If true, it implies the Moon isn't a dead rock,

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it's an outpost. And the question becomes, is it our

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outpost or theirs?

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Speaker 1: If we have tunnels under the US, maybe we have

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a base on the Moon. But if it's Theirs, that

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feels different. That feels like they're watching us like a

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guard tower looking down at a prison yard.

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Speaker 3: Which is the perfect chilling transition to the darkest thread

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of this entire deep dive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the part that genuinely gave me goosebumps.

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I actually had to pause the video for a second

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of view. Or asked a simple brutal question. Is Earth

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a laboratory, a farm or.

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Speaker 3: It's the ultimate question of intent. Why are they here?

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Are they tourists? Are they scientists? Or are they farmers.

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Ross's answer went straight into what he calls the woo,

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the high strangeness.

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Speaker 2: He talked about phantom pregnancies.

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Speaker 3: He did, He said, he is currently interviewing over half

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a dozen women. These aren't people looking for fame. These

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are women who are medically confirmed to be pregnant.

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Speaker 2: Ultrasounds, blood tests, the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: The works, and then the baby disappears.

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Speaker 2: Just vanishes.

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Speaker 3: No miscarriage, no evidence of miscarriage, no bleeding. The fetus

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is simply gone. The womb is empty. And these women

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believe and Ross's sources seem to support the possibility that

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the genetic material the fetus was.

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Speaker 2: Taken taken by NHI non human intelligence.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Ross also mentions Whitley Streeber, the famous author of

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Communion Streamer, believes Semen was taken from him during his abductions.

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The implication is a hybridization program.

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Speaker 2: This is where it gets horrific.

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Speaker 1: If they are taking eggs, taking semen, taking fetuses, that's

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not a brother from the stars coming to say hello.

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Speaker 2: No, that's a lab technician dealing with a laborat. It's extraction.

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Speaker 3: It moves the phenomenon from lights in the sky to

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personal violation. It's terrifying because it strips us of our agency.

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It implies we are not in control of our own bodies.

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Speaker 1: And Ross brings up a philosophical point here the human conceit.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they don't give a rats ass about us exactly.

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Speaker 1: We assume we are the main characters because we live here.

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We think, oh, they must be interested in our culture

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or our nuclear weapons are our souls.

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Speaker 3: But Ross speculates, what if they care about the planet,

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the biosphere, the biodiversity.

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Speaker 2: And we are just what the invasive species.

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Speaker 3: We might be the annoyance, or we might be a

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resource to be managed. If you run a nature preserve,

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you manage the deer population. You tag them, sometimes, you

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move them, sometimes you call them.

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Speaker 2: You don't ask the deer for permission.

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Speaker 3: Never, you do it for the good of the forest.

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Speaker 1: That is a humbling and terrifying thought. Ross said, maybe

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it's the beautiful planet they're wanting to preserve humans.

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Speaker 3: It aligns with the environmental message. A lot of abductees report,

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you are killing the planet. It's not a warning to

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save us, it's a warning to stop breaking their stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's the zoo hypothesis with a dark twist. It's not

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just that we are being watched, it's that we are

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being farmed or curated.

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Speaker 3: And the secrecy from our government. Maybe they know this,

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Maybe they know we aren't the top of the food chain,

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and they are terrified of telling us.

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Speaker 1: Because if the public knew that we are just exhibits

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in a zoo or samples in a lab, society collapses.

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Speaker 3: Panic, total panic. How you govern a population that knows

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it's being harvested? You can't. So you deny it, you

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hide it, you build tunnels.

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, we need to ground ourselves again. That was heavy.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about something tangible, something we shot at the shootdowns.

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Speaker 3: Segment seven, the events of February twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: We all remember the Chinese by balloon that was confirmed,

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We saw it on TV. We shot down off the

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coast of South Carolina, right, But Ross points out there

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were three other objects, Alaska, Yukon, and Lake Huron, and.

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Speaker 3: This is where the official narrative just falls apart. The

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government tried to say these were hobby balloons or benign objects,

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but Ross points to the response.

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Speaker 2: The Alaska retrieval.

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Speaker 1: He says they spent millions of dollars, used dozens of

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aircraft F twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Raptors think about the economics of that, and F twenty

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two costs something like sixty thousand dollars an hour to fly.

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If it was a twelve dollars hobby balloon from a

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science club in Illinois, why did you launch a massive

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military retrieval operation? And the dangerous Arctic conditions of Alaska.

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Ross calls it the biggest waste of money in history.

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If that cover story.

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Speaker 2: Is true, it doesn't add up.

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Speaker 1: You don't send the cavalry for a party balloon.

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Speaker 3: And he mentions a document, a Canadian Freedom of information

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request that explicitly labels the Yukon object as UAP twenty.

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Speaker 1: UAP twenty not balloon twenty, not anomalist debris twenty.

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Speaker 3: And designation matters. It means it was categorized as an

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unidentified anomalist phenomenon. Ross claims his Canadian sources told him

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they did retrieve material from that crash, but the Americans

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stepped in and told.

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Speaker 1: Him to shut up, shut up, the classic American diplomatic strategy.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to UFOs.

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Speaker 3: It works often, but the mystery deepens when we look

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at today. Ross shifted from twenty twenty three to the present.

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He talked about drone incursions Langley.

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Speaker 1: Air Force Base bases in the Netherlands, Swarms of drones

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appearing night after night.

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Speaker 3: And these aren't just one or two quad copters flown

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by a curious teenager. These are swarms flying over sensitive

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nuclear sites and military bases.

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Speaker 2: And here's the kicker. We can't stop them.

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Speaker 3: We can't.

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Speaker 1: We have the most advanced military in the world. We

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have lasers, we have jamming, we have missiles, and Ros says,

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the world's best counter UAS tech is failing.

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Speaker 3: That's the plane. The drones are immune to our countermeasures.

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Now the media and the military are saying, oh, it's

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probably Russia.

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Speaker 2: Ross hates that explanation.

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Speaker 3: He does because it implies two very bad things. One,

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if it is Russia, then Usia has leapfrog dusts and

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technologies so badly that they can fly over our most

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secret bases with impunity and we are defenseless.

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Speaker 2: Which is a massive intelligence.

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Speaker 3: Failure, a national security nightmare.

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Speaker 2: An option two.

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Speaker 3: Option two is that they aren't Russian.

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Speaker 2: They're the others.

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Speaker 3: And if they are the others, it means the phenomenon

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is becoming more aggressive. It's no longer just elusive lights.

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It's swarms probing our defenses.

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Speaker 1: It's testing defences exactly, and the media silence is deafening.

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Ross is furious that the legacy media just accepts the

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Russian drone excuse without asking, Hey, why can't we shoot

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them down?

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Speaker 2: Why are we helpless?

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Speaker 3: It can expack to the beginning. Hag Seth wants tech supremacy.

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Maybe he wants it because he knows we are currently outmatched.

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Rather it's by Russians with incredible tech or by non

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human intelligence. We are not in control of our own airspace.

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That is the sobering reality. At the end of the day,

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we are vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: So let's try to pull all these threads together into

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some kind of coherent picture. What have we learned today?

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On thrilling threads?

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Speaker 3: Learned that the Pentagon is reorganizing for war, potentially sidelining disclosure,

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but quietly building the tech infrastructure that might, you know,

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eventually lead them to understand the phenomenon by accident. By accident,

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we've learned about a geography of secrets, tunnels under the

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US bases near DC, and potential outposts on the moon.

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Speaker 1: We've learned that the Vatican might be the oldest UFO

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club in history with stories of teleporting nuns. We've learned

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that the media battle over this topic is vicious, and

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we've learned the darkest possibility that our interaction with this

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intelligence might be biological, that we might be the labrats.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot to process. It challenges our sense of safety,

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our sense of history, and our sense of significance.

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Speaker 1: It really does. It brings me back to that human

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conceit idea. We walk around like we own the place.

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We pave the roads, we build the cities, we draw

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the borders. But if there are tunnels under our feet

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that we didn't build, and drones in our sky that

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we can't stop, and entities taking our DNA without our permission.

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Speaker 3: Then we aren't the landlords. We're just the tenants, and

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we might be behind on the rent.

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Speaker 2: That is a terrifying thought.

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Speaker 3: Or, perhaps, to put a more hopeful spin on it,

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we are part of a much larger, more complex ecosystem

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than we ever imagined. The zoo might be a cage,

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or it might be a protected sanctuary.

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Speaker 1: It depends on the intent of the zoo keeper it does.

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That's the question I want to leave you with. Listener, Yeah,

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if the zoo hypothesis is true, are we the exhibits

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meant to be admired, Are we the experiment meant to

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be tested?

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Speaker 2: Or are we the livestock?

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Speaker 3: And does the government keeping these secrets actually protect us

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from that reality or is just keep us docile?

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Speaker 2: Think about it.

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Speaker 1: Leave a comment below. Are you team lab, Team zoo,

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or team farm? I really want to know what you think, because, frankly,

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I'm hoping for Team Zoo. At least in a zoo

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you get fed regularly.

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Speaker 3: Usually.

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Speaker 2: Usually this has been thrilling.

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Speaker 3: Friends, I'm your host and I'm the expert. Keep asking questions.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you in the next steep dive. Stay curious,