Speaker 1: Imagine for a second that you are driving across the
United States.
Speaker 2: You're on the highway, maybe cruising down I forty right,
it's night.
Speaker 1: You've got miles of open road ahead of you, mountains
silhouetted in the distance, just the hum of the engine
and the radio. It feels you know, empty, it feels soft.
Speaker 3: It's the classic American road trip. Yeah, just you and
the asphalt exactly.
Speaker 1: But now I want you to shift your perspective. Imagine
that directly beneath your tires, maybe a mile down, maybe two,
there's a void, okay, a massive glass lined tube stretching
for hundreds and hundreds of miles. And inside that too,
moving at speeds we can barely comprehend. Is a maglev train.
But it's not carrying commuters. It's carrying secret cargo between
military bases, and not just classified weapons, but biological material
that well, that didn't evolve on this planet.
Speaker 3: It sounds like the plot of a high budget science
fiction novel, doesn't it, or maybe something you'd see in
the summer blockbuster.
Speaker 2: It does, But then.
Speaker 1: Take that sci fi image and pivot to something terrifyingly intimate,
something right out of a horror movie. Imagine a woman
who is medically confirmed to be pregnant. She's seen the ultrasound,
she's had the blood work, she goes for a check up.
Speaker 2: And the baby is gone.
Speaker 3: This is gone.
Speaker 1: No miscarriage, no blood, no medical explanation, just an empty womb.
And the theory isn't medical error. The theory is that
she was used as a resource in a hybridization program
by a non human intelligence.
Speaker 3: That is a jarring shift in tone. I have to
admit we're going from heavy infrastructure to biological violation.
Speaker 1: But these are the two ends of the spectrum we
are looking at today. They are exactly how do you
hide a tunnel that long? And are we a zoo,
a lab or a farm? These are the questions that
keep me up at night, and they are the questions
we are tackling today. Welcome to Thrilling Fred's I'm your host,
ready to pull up the loose ends of reality until
the whole sweater unravels.
Speaker 3: And I'm here to help make sense of the mess
when it does.
Speaker 2: It's good to be here today.
Speaker 1: The thread we are pulling comes from a very speci
very dense source. We are doing a granular breakdown of
a recent reality check Q and A session hosted by
investigative journalists Ross Coultzart on the News Nation YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: Yes, the video is titled Ross Coulthart Q and A
Secret Military Tunnels and Phantom Pregnancies. And you know, for once,
the title is not clickbait.
Speaker 2: Not at all. It is exactly and terrifyingly what he
talks about.
Speaker 3: It is, and before we dive in, I think it's
really important to frame this correctly for everyone listening. Please,
we aren't pulling these ideas from a random conspiracy thread
on some obscure forum. Ross Coulthart is an award winning
investigative journalist. He's worked for sixty minutes Australia. He's a
serious guy, a very serious guy. He is vetting these
claims through sources in the intelligence community and the military.
Speaker 1: Right this is on a major cable news network platform.
So when he talks about secret tunnels or phantom pregnancies,
he's acknowledging openly how preposterous they sound.
Speaker 2: He knows how crazy it sounds.
Speaker 1: Yes he uses that word himself, but he's reporting them
because his sources, people actively working inside these legacy programs,
are telling him Ross this is real, and.
Speaker 3: That is the mission for this edition of Thrilling Threads.
We are going to rigorously unpack every claim, every reaction,
and every single implication made by Colthart.
Speaker 1: In this session, we're going to look at the geopolitical
maneuvering in the Pentagon, the physics of secret tunnels, the
history of the Vatican, and the biological horror of the
zoo hypothesis.
Speaker 3: And we aren't here to say this is definitely true
or this is definitely false.
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: We are here to say Ross is reporting this based
on his sources. If it is true, what on earth
does it mean for us?
Speaker 3: Precisely, we are exploring the what if without taking sides.
We're just impartial observers of the strange.
Speaker 1: So grab your red yarn, your corkboard, and maybe a
stiff drink, because we are going deep. Let's start with
the big picture, the Pentagon. We've got a new administration
coming in and the big name on everyone's lips is Petehigseth,
the new Secretary of Defense, or as some deeply traditional
folks are calling it, the Secretary of War.
Speaker 3: Right, this was the very first thread Ross pulled on
in the Q and A A listener named Jerry emailed
in asking about Hegseeth and the context here is vital
for understanding the current mood in the UAP community.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, HeiG Sit the scene as a disruptor.
Speaker 3: Isn't he Totally? He's not a standard politician. He's a
media figure, a veteran, someone who has built a brand
on shaking up the establishment.
Speaker 1: He's the guy who brings a sledgehammer to the meeting
metaphorically speaking exactly so.
Speaker 3: The listener, and frankly a lot of the UAP community
had this really high hope. They thought, Okay, hegg Sit
is going to go into the Pentagon, kick down the
doors of the special access programs and just blow the
lid off the secrecy.
Speaker 1: You'd think so, right. His whole vide is anti bureaucracy.
But Ross's answer was surprisingly well tempered. It wasn't the
disclosures coming next Tuesday?
Speaker 3: Answer people want to It was not. And this is
where we have to set rate the public persona from
the bureaucratic reality. Ross analyzed the speech Hegsaff gave recently
alongside Elon Musk get a SpaceX facility.
Speaker 2: Right, I remember seeing clips of that.
Speaker 3: In that speech Hagzeth laid out his roadmap for the
Department of Defense, and he wasn't talking about aliens. He
was talking about tech supremacy.
Speaker 1: Tech supremacy. That sounds like a buzzword, but let's unpack it.
What does he mean.
Speaker 3: He means he wants to dismantle what he calls peace
time complacency. He wants to create an AI first force.
Speaker 2: An AI first force.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's talking about hypersonics, quantum computing, directed energy weapons,
total space dominance. He's looking at the geopolitical landscape, specifically
China and the conflict in Ukraine and saying we need
to be the scariest military on Earth. Technologically speaking.
Speaker 2: Okay, but here's where I get stuck.
Speaker 1: Tech supremacy sounds great, But if you want to dominate
the skies in space, wouldn't the ultimate trump card be
the reverse engineered UFO tech that we've allegedly been sitting
on for eighty years?
Speaker 2: You'd think, so, if you want to win a war,
wouldn't you want to use the saucer in the hangar?
Speaker 3: Logically, yes, it seems like a no brainer. But Ross's
intel suggests a very counterintuitive move. He says that despite
Hegset's willingness to rattle the cage. The UAP issue specifically
is being put on the back burner.
Speaker 1: The back burner after all this momentum that is incredibly frustrating.
Speaker 3: Why because of the wartime footing Ross mentions, tensions with Iran,
and the ongoing situation in Ukraine. The administration is focused
on immediate kinetic conflicts.
Speaker 2: So it's about the here and now.
Speaker 3: The logic seems to be, we need to win wars
now using technology we can manufacture now. Dealing with the
ontological shock of announcing we are not alone might be
a distraction the administration feels they can't afford.
Speaker 1: So it's we're too busy fighting with swords to look
at the machine gun we found in the attic, Or.
Speaker 3: Perhaps we're too busy reorganizing the army to deal with
the existential crisis of not being the APEX predator. I mean,
imagine the chaos. Yeah, if you were trying to project
strength to your adversaries, do you really want to go
on TV and say, by the way, there are things
in our airspace that we can't control and we don't
know who they are.
Speaker 2: That projects weakness, not strength.
Speaker 3: That's a really good point. Disclosure looks like vulnerability in
a geopolitical context, it does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there is a nuance here that Ross brought up,
and it's a sliver of hope for the disclosure crowd.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 1: Ross mentions that Hegseth has consolidated systems under a new
chief technology officer, Emil Michael.
Speaker 3: I cut that name, Emil Michael. Why is he significant?
Speaker 1: Because Hegesith is using him to break the monopolistic control
that past administrations and more importantly, private aerospace companies had
over key committees. Runner calls this clearing out the old blood.
Speaker 3: Ah. Okay, so the old gatekeepers are being shown the door. Ye,
the ones who have been managing the secret for decades.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: So, even if UAP disclosure isn't the priority right now,
by cleaning house and bringing in people focused on cutting
edge tech, people who were there to innovate, not to
hide things, they might inadvertently create the pathway for disclosure later.
Speaker 3: Well, if you centralize all the black budget tech programs
because you want to build better drones, eventually someone is
going to open a door and say, sir, we didn't
build this one, and it defies physics.
Speaker 1: So it's not a no, it's a not right now,
it's an accidental disclosure trap.
Speaker 3: That's the theory, and we have to remember hag Set's
previous comments. Ross brought up a press conference from May
where Haig Sith was asked about aliens in area fifty one.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: In the press gallery, the journalist started doing those nervous giggles.
Speaker 2: Ugh, the giggle factor. I hate that. It's like a reflex,
Oh aliens, ha ha little green men.
Speaker 3: It is a reflex. It's a social defense mechanism. We
laugh at things that make us uncomfortable or that we've
been trained to view as ridiculous. But haig Sith didn't giggle.
Speaker 2: That's the key.
Speaker 3: That's the key. He looked at them and said, I
have no evidence of any life beyond this planet. Give
me a little time. I'll let you know. That's what
I found out to me a little time.
Speaker 1: That's a tantalizing thread right there. It wasn't a denial,
it was a request for patients.
Speaker 3: It was Ross speculates that maybe deep in the recesses
of Hegesith's brain, there's a strategy. He believes Trump and
his team are actually disposed to be open about this.
But timing is everything, right. You don't drop the biggest
news in human history while you're trying to negotiate ceasefire
or deter a nuclear escalation.
Speaker 1: So the message Ross is getting from his sources is clear,
do not expect a presidential address about aliens next week.
The focus is on tech dominance and military readiness, which
ironically might be where the aliens are hiding in.
Speaker 3: The tech Precisely, they are building the haystack, and they
might just prick their finger on the needle.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the Pentagon is shuffling the deck chairs, maybe
preparing for war.
Speaker 2: But where are they keeping the well, the good stuff?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: This brings us to the geography of secrets.
Speaker 1: Ravervent a lot of time discussing specific locations, and he
brought up a researcher named uap Gerb.
Speaker 3: Yes, I have to smile the name.
Speaker 2: I love the Internet handles in this community. Uap Gerb.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a character from a Pixar movie, but
Ross speaks very highly of him, calls him a dear
friend and colleague. This isn't just some random poster. This
is someone Ross trusts to dig through the data right.
Speaker 3: UAP GERB has been doing these deep dies into where
the biologics, the biological material from non human intelligence might
be stored.
Speaker 2: Bodies.
Speaker 3: The body is the tissue samples, whatever they have. And
he pointed to Dougway Proving Grounds in Utah, Utah.
Speaker 1: Middle of nowhere, scary reputation for chemical and biological testing.
Speaker 3: It makes sense, it does. It's remote, it's secure, and
it already deals with hazardous biological materials. And Ross confirmed
that Dougway is a site. His sources say, yes, things
are there. But and here's the twist, it is not
the key site.
Speaker 2: So where is the key site? Where do you keep
the crown jewels of ufology?
Speaker 3: Ross claims his sources are telling him the main repository,
the big one, is a secret underground facilit on the
East coast and specifically very close to Washington, DC.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait DC, that's crowded. That's the capital. I live
near d C. The traffic is a nightmare.
Speaker 1: Why would you hide the most dangerous secret in human
history right next to the seat of government.
Speaker 3: It does seem counterintuitive, doesn't it. You'd think you'd want
it in the Nevada desert or inside a Mountain in
Colorado exactly. But think about it from a control perspective.
If it's near DC, the people in charge, the shadow government,
the program managers, the generals, can keep a very close
eye on it.
Speaker 2: It's the hidden in plain sight theory.
Speaker 3: Maybe, or just accessibility. If you put it in Area
fifty one, you have to fly there. It's the whole production.
If it's in a nondescript office park with five sub
basements in northern Virginia or Maryland, you can drive there.
After a meeting of the Pentagon.
Speaker 2: You can commute to the alien autopsy.
Speaker 3: It's a disturbing thought, isn't it. But that's the claim.
And then Ross drops the bombshell that connects these sites,
the tunnel tunnels.
Speaker 1: This is where my brain starts to reject. The information
just feels too big. Ross talks about massive underground tunnel
systems connecting major bases all network like Area fifty one
S four in Nevada to write Patterson in Ohio.
Speaker 2: Yes, do you know how far that is? I looked
it up.
Speaker 1: That's roughly two thousand miles. Ross himself says it sounds
preposter He goes, how do you hide the dirt? How
do you do the construction without anyone noticing. We can't
even fix a pothole in this country without three committees
in a traffic jam.
Speaker 3: That is the billion dollar question, or perhaps the trillion
dollar question. Ross admits it sounds incredible, but he insists
evidence exists. We have to look at historical precedents and
theoretical tech.
Speaker 2: Go on, convince me, I'm skeptical.
Speaker 3: Okay, First look at the Manhattan Project. They built entire
cities oak Ridge, Hanford incomplete secrecy. True, thousands of people
worked there, live there and didn't know what they were
building until the bomb dropped. Yeah, we have a history
of massive secret infrastructure.
Speaker 2: But a two thousand mile tunnel that's a different scale entirely.
Speaker 3: It is so Now, imagine you have boring technology that
is decades ahead of what the public knows. There have
been patents and concepts floating around since the seventies for
nuclear subterine machines.
Speaker 2: Subterines I've heard this term.
Speaker 3: The theory is a machine with a superheated nuclear tip.
It doesn't dig in the traditional sense. It melts the rock.
Speaker 2: It melts it, It.
Speaker 3: Pushes forward, melting the earth, which then cools and hardens
into a glass like lining for the tunnel. So no
dirt trucks, no dirt trucks, no massive piles of tailings
to hide, no convoys of dump trucks on the highway.
Just a machine underground, running on nuclear power, melting its
way across the continent. If they perfected this forty or
fifty years ago, they could have built a massive network
by now.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about a subway system for the secret government,
a way to move biologics and craft without ever exposing
them to satellite surveillance or highway transport.
Speaker 3: Exactly, if you crash a saucer in New Mexico, you
don't want to put it on a flatbed truck on
I forty. You drop it into the tunnel network and
zip it. To write PAT or DC at hundreds of
miles an hour.
Speaker 1: And to mention a specific case in this context, right,
the Jonathan Wagent case.
Speaker 3: Yes, refresh my memory on that one. It's a creepy story.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Wagen was a marine who allegedly witnessed a UFO
crash retrieval in Peru, Peru. Right. He described seeing a
craft stuck in the side of a mountain and strange
fluid like beings. He and his squad were securing the
perimeter when a retrieval team showed up.
Speaker 3: And these weren't regular military guys.
Speaker 1: No, he identified them as Department of Energy. They were aggressive,
they confiscated everything. They threatened the Marines to keep their.
Speaker 3: Mouths shut the classic playbook.
Speaker 1: The claim Ross is making is that whatever they grabbed
in Peru was transported back to the US, likely to
Area fifty one S four, and then potentially moved through
this tunnel network to the East Coast facility.
Speaker 3: It implies a level infrastructure that is just staggering. If
this is true, we aren't just talking about a few
secret hangars. We are talking about a breakaway civilization.
Speaker 2: That's the term often used.
Speaker 1: Breakaway civilization, a group that has diverged from the rest
of us. They have their own transit system, their own physics,
their own biology lads.
Speaker 3: Their own energy sources. They are effectively living in the
year twenty one hundred while we are stuck in the
twenty twenties and.
Speaker 1: We're happy with our iPhones, while they're writing nuclear maglevs
under our feet. It makes you feel very small, like
we're the kids playing in the sandbox.
Speaker 2: While the adults are running the world.
Speaker 3: Or running the galaxy.
Speaker 2: Fair point. Okay, let's come up for air. We've got
the Pentagon, we've got the tunnels.
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the people reporting on this, because
there was a spicy little segment in this Q and
A about a media feud.
Speaker 3: Ah. Yes, the Stephen green Street question.
Speaker 1: Stephen green Street from the New York Post. He wrote
in or someone wrote in about him, asking if Ross
has summoned any alien spirits with his psychic powers.
Speaker 3: A loaded question, to say the least, just dripping with sarcasm.
Speaker 1: And Ross did not hold back. He usually keeps us cool,
but he really went in on this one.
Speaker 3: He did. He called green Street snide, malicious, and non
partisan in the negative.
Speaker 2: Sense, which is a very specific kind of burn.
Speaker 3: It is. And what's fascinating here is the clash of methodologies.
Green Street represents a very aggressive skeptical approach.
Speaker 2: He does.
Speaker 3: He often uses ridicule or mockery to poke holes in
the UAP narrative. He frames the whistleblowers as grifters or delusional.
He looks at the weird stuff, the psychics, the ghosts,
and says, see, it's all nonsense.
Speaker 2: And Ross takes the complete opposite approach.
Speaker 3: Ross views his role as protecting these whistleblowers. He sees
green Street's mockery not as journalism, but as a tactic
to silence people. Ross called it a straw man argument.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was very clear on that.
Speaker 3: He clarified he never claimed to have psychic powers. He
feels green Street invents these crazy points just to make
the whole topic look ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It really highlights the difficulty of media ethics in this field.
Where's the line between skepticism and just debunking for sport?
Speaker 3: Exactly. Ross contrasted green Street with Miranda Devine, another New
York Post journalist.
Speaker 1: Right, and she asked Donald Trump a good, honest question
about UAPs. She did smirk, she didn't giggle, She just asked,
and because.
Speaker 3: She treated the subject seriously, Trump gave her a serious answer.
Speaker 1: That's a key takeaway for anyone listening who wants to
talk about this subject.
Speaker 2: If you treat it like a joke, the people in
power will treat you like a joke.
Speaker 1: They will if you ask a serious national security question,
you might actually get a crumb of truth.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Ross feels that people like green Street are actively
harming the effort to get to the truth by reinforcing
the giggle factor. They are doing the secrecy establishment's work
for them.
Speaker 2: Speaking of things that sound like jokes but might be serious.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the Pope the Vatican files. This is
always a favorite thread for people.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: A viewer asked about Mark Christopher Lee, a filmmaker who
claims he has access to the Vatican secret archives. And
get this, he claims the Pope is preparing for first contact.
Speaker 3: Specifically, the source mentioned Pope Leo the fourth fifth, which
is interesting because we currently have Pope Francis.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what I thought.
Speaker 3: It could be a slip of the tongue in the question,
or perhaps referring to a prophecy or a future scenario,
but the core of the claim is that the Church
is getting ready to say welcome brothers in Christ from
the stars.
Speaker 1: Ross was pretty skeptical about Lee's specific claim of access, right.
Speaker 2: He didn't just buy it.
Speaker 3: No, he's a journalist. He needs verification. He hasn't seen
confirmation from the Vatican. But and this is a big butt,
he absolutely believes the Vatican is a key player. How
So he pivoted to discussing professor Diana Walsh Pasulka.
Speaker 2: I know that name.
Speaker 1: She's the academic, right, not a UFO hunter, but a
religious studies scholar.
Speaker 3: Correct, she wrote American Cosmic. She did get access to
the archives and she found accounts of anomalist phenomena going
back centuries.
Speaker 1: Orbs of light, angels, miracles.
Speaker 3: All of it. Ross point is that the Vatican has
been recording these events for two thousand years. They just
call them miracles or demons. We call them UAPs.
Speaker 1: And then Ross told that story about the translocating nun
this Blue my mind. It sounded like something out of
a magical realism novel.
Speaker 3: It's a classic case of bylocation. There was a nun,
the Lady in Blue, and a convent in Europe. Ross
mentioned Italy, though historically she's often associated with Spain. She
was allegedly appearing to indigenous people in Central or South
America before the Spanish conquistador has arrived.
Speaker 1: So the soldiers show up ready to convert the locals,
and the locals are like, oh, yeah, we know about
the cross the lady and the blue robes told us exactly.
Speaker 3: The nun never physically left her convent in Europe. But
the locals described her perfectly. In religious terms, that's a miracle.
Speaker 1: But in UAP terms, is that teleportation? Is it holographic projection?
Is it consciousness projection?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 3: It reframes the whole history of religion, doesn't it. Yeah,
these miracles are actually interactions with a technology or a
non human intelligence. Then the Vatican is sitting on the
biggest data set of alien encounters in the world, which.
Speaker 1: Is why there are rumors about the Magenta nineteen thirty.
Speaker 3: Three crash, right, the Italian UFO crash.
Speaker 2: Tell us about that.
Speaker 3: The claim is that a craft crashed in Italy under
Mussolini in nineteen thirty three, the Vatican helped cover it
up to keep it from the public or perhaps to
study it, and then eventually around nineteen forty four it
was handed over to the Americans.
Speaker 1: If that's true, it means the US has had this
tech since before roswell Way before it rewrites the timeline completely.
We've been studying this for almost a century, and it implies.
Speaker 3: That the Vatican and the US government have been partners
in this secrecy for a very long time.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how all these threads the Pentagon, the punnels,
the Vatican, they all weave together into this tapestry of
managed secrecy. But let's look up for a second. Let's
leave the tunnels and go to the moon.
Speaker 3: That's segment five. High Strangeness on the Moon.
Speaker 1: If you were asked about Sergeant Carl Wolf and Donna Hare,
these are old school whistleblowers.
Speaker 2: I remember reading about them years ago.
Speaker 3: They are from the Disclosure Project era. Sergeant Carl Wolf
was us app He claimed that while repairing equipment at
a NASA facility he was an ens NASA crossover, he
was shown high resolution mosaics of the far side of
the Moon, and he saw in those photos he saw.
Speaker 2: Towers, towers, not rocks that look like towers.
Speaker 3: Towers, domes, mushroom shaped buildings, artificial structures. Yeah, and the
person showing them the photos said, very matter of factly,
we've discovered a base on the back of the moon.
Speaker 1: And then Wolf died in a strange motorcycle accident.
Speaker 3: That's the tragic footnote. Ross finds them very credible. He
also mentioned Donna Hare, who claimed she worked for a
NASA contractor.
Speaker 2: What was her story.
Speaker 3: She walked into a lab and saw technicians actively airbrushing
UAPs out of photos before releasing them to the public.
She has what is that and the text said, it's
a UFO, we have to remove it.
Speaker 1: Now. The skeptic says, we have high res photos of
the Moon. Now, the Chinese have a rover there, the
Indians have a rover. We don't see any towers.
Speaker 3: True, that's the rational rebuttal but Ross dropped a little
nugget here that gave me pause. Oh, he says he's
speaking to current sources, people inside the program right now,
who claim to see artificial objects and movement on the
Moon that contradicts the released imagery.
Speaker 2: Movement like traffic.
Speaker 3: Movement of anomalous objects, things moving across the surface that
shouldn't be there.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: If true, it implies the Moon isn't a dead rock,
it's an outpost. And the question becomes, is it our
outpost or theirs?
Speaker 1: If we have tunnels under the US, maybe we have
a base on the Moon. But if it's Theirs, that
feels different. That feels like they're watching us like a
guard tower looking down at a prison yard.
Speaker 3: Which is the perfect chilling transition to the darkest thread
of this entire deep dive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the part that genuinely gave me goosebumps.
I actually had to pause the video for a second
of view. Or asked a simple brutal question. Is Earth
a laboratory, a farm or.
Speaker 3: It's the ultimate question of intent. Why are they here?
Are they tourists? Are they scientists? Or are they farmers.
Ross's answer went straight into what he calls the woo,
the high strangeness.
Speaker 2: He talked about phantom pregnancies.
Speaker 3: He did, He said, he is currently interviewing over half
a dozen women. These aren't people looking for fame. These
are women who are medically confirmed to be pregnant.
Speaker 2: Ultrasounds, blood tests, the whole thing.
Speaker 3: The works, and then the baby disappears.
Speaker 2: Just vanishes.
Speaker 3: No miscarriage, no evidence of miscarriage, no bleeding. The fetus
is simply gone. The womb is empty. And these women
believe and Ross's sources seem to support the possibility that
the genetic material the fetus was.
Speaker 2: Taken taken by NHI non human intelligence.
Speaker 3: Yes, Ross also mentions Whitley Streeber, the famous author of
Communion Streamer, believes Semen was taken from him during his abductions.
The implication is a hybridization program.
Speaker 2: This is where it gets horrific.
Speaker 1: If they are taking eggs, taking semen, taking fetuses, that's
not a brother from the stars coming to say hello.
Speaker 2: No, that's a lab technician dealing with a laborat. It's extraction.
Speaker 3: It moves the phenomenon from lights in the sky to
personal violation. It's terrifying because it strips us of our agency.
It implies we are not in control of our own bodies.
Speaker 1: And Ross brings up a philosophical point here the human conceit.
Speaker 3: Maybe they don't give a rats ass about us exactly.
Speaker 1: We assume we are the main characters because we live here.
We think, oh, they must be interested in our culture
or our nuclear weapons are our souls.
Speaker 3: But Ross speculates, what if they care about the planet,
the biosphere, the biodiversity.
Speaker 2: And we are just what the invasive species.
Speaker 3: We might be the annoyance, or we might be a
resource to be managed. If you run a nature preserve,
you manage the deer population. You tag them, sometimes, you
move them, sometimes you call them.
Speaker 2: You don't ask the deer for permission.
Speaker 3: Never, you do it for the good of the forest.
Speaker 1: That is a humbling and terrifying thought. Ross said, maybe
it's the beautiful planet they're wanting to preserve humans.
Speaker 3: It aligns with the environmental message. A lot of abductees report,
you are killing the planet. It's not a warning to
save us, it's a warning to stop breaking their stuff.
Speaker 1: It's the zoo hypothesis with a dark twist. It's not
just that we are being watched, it's that we are
being farmed or curated.
Speaker 3: And the secrecy from our government. Maybe they know this,
Maybe they know we aren't the top of the food chain,
and they are terrified of telling us.
Speaker 1: Because if the public knew that we are just exhibits
in a zoo or samples in a lab, society collapses.
Speaker 3: Panic, total panic. How you govern a population that knows
it's being harvested? You can't. So you deny it, you
hide it, you build tunnels.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, we need to ground ourselves again. That was heavy.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about something tangible, something we shot at the shootdowns.
Speaker 3: Segment seven, the events of February twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: We all remember the Chinese by balloon that was confirmed,
We saw it on TV. We shot down off the
coast of South Carolina, right, But Ross points out there
were three other objects, Alaska, Yukon, and Lake Huron, and.
Speaker 3: This is where the official narrative just falls apart. The
government tried to say these were hobby balloons or benign objects,
but Ross points to the response.
Speaker 2: The Alaska retrieval.
Speaker 1: He says they spent millions of dollars, used dozens of
aircraft F twenty two.
Speaker 3: Raptors think about the economics of that, and F twenty
two costs something like sixty thousand dollars an hour to fly.
If it was a twelve dollars hobby balloon from a
science club in Illinois, why did you launch a massive
military retrieval operation? And the dangerous Arctic conditions of Alaska.
Ross calls it the biggest waste of money in history.
If that cover story.
Speaker 2: Is true, it doesn't add up.
Speaker 1: You don't send the cavalry for a party balloon.
Speaker 3: And he mentions a document, a Canadian Freedom of information
request that explicitly labels the Yukon object as UAP twenty.
Speaker 1: UAP twenty not balloon twenty, not anomalist debris twenty.
Speaker 3: And designation matters. It means it was categorized as an
unidentified anomalist phenomenon. Ross claims his Canadian sources told him
they did retrieve material from that crash, but the Americans
stepped in and told.
Speaker 1: Him to shut up, shut up, the classic American diplomatic strategy.
Speaker 2: When it comes to UFOs.
Speaker 3: It works often, but the mystery deepens when we look
at today. Ross shifted from twenty twenty three to the present.
He talked about drone incursions Langley.
Speaker 1: Air Force Base bases in the Netherlands, Swarms of drones
appearing night after night.
Speaker 3: And these aren't just one or two quad copters flown
by a curious teenager. These are swarms flying over sensitive
nuclear sites and military bases.
Speaker 2: And here's the kicker. We can't stop them.
Speaker 3: We can't.
Speaker 1: We have the most advanced military in the world. We
have lasers, we have jamming, we have missiles, and Ros says,
the world's best counter UAS tech is failing.
Speaker 3: That's the plane. The drones are immune to our countermeasures.
Now the media and the military are saying, oh, it's
probably Russia.
Speaker 2: Ross hates that explanation.
Speaker 3: He does because it implies two very bad things. One,
if it is Russia, then Usia has leapfrog dusts and
technologies so badly that they can fly over our most
secret bases with impunity and we are defenseless.
Speaker 2: Which is a massive intelligence.
Speaker 3: Failure, a national security nightmare.
Speaker 2: An option two.
Speaker 3: Option two is that they aren't Russian.
Speaker 2: They're the others.
Speaker 3: And if they are the others, it means the phenomenon
is becoming more aggressive. It's no longer just elusive lights.
It's swarms probing our defenses.
Speaker 1: It's testing defences exactly, and the media silence is deafening.
Ross is furious that the legacy media just accepts the
Russian drone excuse without asking, Hey, why can't we shoot
them down?
Speaker 2: Why are we helpless?
Speaker 3: It can expack to the beginning. Hag Seth wants tech supremacy.
Maybe he wants it because he knows we are currently outmatched.
Rather it's by Russians with incredible tech or by non
human intelligence. We are not in control of our own airspace.
That is the sobering reality. At the end of the day,
we are vulnerable.
Speaker 1: So let's try to pull all these threads together into
some kind of coherent picture. What have we learned today?
On thrilling threads?
Speaker 3: Learned that the Pentagon is reorganizing for war, potentially sidelining disclosure,
but quietly building the tech infrastructure that might, you know,
eventually lead them to understand the phenomenon by accident. By accident,
we've learned about a geography of secrets, tunnels under the
US bases near DC, and potential outposts on the moon.
Speaker 1: We've learned that the Vatican might be the oldest UFO
club in history with stories of teleporting nuns. We've learned
that the media battle over this topic is vicious, and
we've learned the darkest possibility that our interaction with this
intelligence might be biological, that we might be the labrats.
Speaker 3: It's a lot to process. It challenges our sense of safety,
our sense of history, and our sense of significance.
Speaker 1: It really does. It brings me back to that human
conceit idea. We walk around like we own the place.
We pave the roads, we build the cities, we draw
the borders. But if there are tunnels under our feet
that we didn't build, and drones in our sky that
we can't stop, and entities taking our DNA without our permission.
Speaker 3: Then we aren't the landlords. We're just the tenants, and
we might be behind on the rent.
Speaker 2: That is a terrifying thought.
Speaker 3: Or, perhaps, to put a more hopeful spin on it,
we are part of a much larger, more complex ecosystem
than we ever imagined. The zoo might be a cage,
or it might be a protected sanctuary.
Speaker 1: It depends on the intent of the zoo keeper it does.
That's the question I want to leave you with. Listener, Yeah,
if the zoo hypothesis is true, are we the exhibits
meant to be admired, Are we the experiment meant to
be tested?
Speaker 2: Or are we the livestock?
Speaker 3: And does the government keeping these secrets actually protect us
from that reality or is just keep us docile?
Speaker 2: Think about it.
Speaker 1: Leave a comment below. Are you team lab, Team zoo,
or team farm? I really want to know what you think, because, frankly,
I'm hoping for Team Zoo. At least in a zoo
you get fed regularly.
Speaker 3: Usually.
Speaker 2: Usually this has been thrilling.
Speaker 3: Friends, I'm your host and I'm the expert. Keep asking questions.
Speaker 2: We'll see you in the next steep dive. Stay curious,