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Speaker 1: Well off of a weekend that has seen war Chesaura

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get another When is this guy actually gonna end up

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being relevant again for a title shot?

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Speaker 2: We're about to talk about all of it.

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Speaker 1: After his victory over Otto Vailein in the Manchester, England

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Queensbury main event, We're going to talk to another heavyweight

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that deserves a lot more credit. He's about to challenge

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for the world titled Dan with Joseph Parker coming up.

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It is the Fight Freaks Night Recap podcast. I am

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the somewhat competent host TJ Reeves. He is our insider,

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Dan Rayfield, Fight Freaks You Night, the substack and the

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newsletter I had up front. The big fella ain't feeling

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great now. The good news is we don't have a

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ton to recap. You were feeling better when you talk

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to Joseph Parker, so that's all good. We've got some news,

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including the latest on Canelo. My god, he's gonna fight

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William Skull. We're gonna talk about it. We got some nostalgia,

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all right. So you're playing hurt. I'm glad that you're here,

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but I'm just getting out there for the audience even

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more Crotchety, the normal. You're not feeling good. I understand that,

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we're ready to do this.

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Speaker 2: All right, We're good.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he has posted thank you for finding us?

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Speaker 1: Till you if you have been wanting to do this

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ever since that got announced on Saturday, just to good me? Uh,

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get to Joseph Parker in a few minutes. We'll get

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to the news and nostalgia. Let's get into chiesaa's win

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over Auto Violein. You and I both believed on the

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bet Us show Chessa would be victorious. So he gets

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the win. Give me a little recap and is he

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as I teased? Is he now gonna get in the

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vicinity of a a title shot down the road?

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Speaker 2: What do we think? Go ahead?

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Speaker 3: I think it's very possible. This this for what it's worth,

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the fight, And I don't know why the IBE of

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did this. It wasn't until pretty much the last minute,

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the fight. But look, the IBF, they do IBF things,

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as we've discussed many times, and so they deemed this

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match between Chasaur and Otto as a IBF heavyweight eliminator

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for the number two position in the ratings. But they

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call the mandatory before the number one position is filled.

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The guy that was the winner of the fight will

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qualify to fight for the title. So it is not

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without a very strong possibility that when Daniel Dubois and

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Joseph Parker you'll hear from later on the show, when

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they meet on February twenty second for Daniel Dubai's IVF belt,

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which is on the undercard of Better BfN B Ball,

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that Mega cart in Riad, the winner of that fight

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may wind up making their next defense against Derek Chasauri.

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It is absolutely possible.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Look when they did the match between Otto and the Tesaura,

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the Last Dance, not because it was going to be

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Derek's final fight, but they were promoting it as it

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was his last fight in Britain, his last UK fight,

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his thing was, I'm gonna fight. I want to get

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to my fiftieth fight. Number forty nine is going to

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be in Manchester, and then for number fifty it won't

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be in the UK. He was talking about I want

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to have a fight in Africa. I think maybe there

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was the possibility he would fight perhaps in Saudi Arabia.

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is a very good performance from his stories, one of

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his better performances in many, many years, he said, maybe

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retiring after number fifty. So if he ends up fighting

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a fight like a Duba fight, that makes a lot

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that kind of fight. Maybe I'll get an opportunity, if

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not for a world title. You know, one of the

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of the you know, horrendous knockout loss and he took

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to Dubois. So I you know, and Frank Warren is like, look,

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he wants to do. But he deserves a big fight

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for his fiftieth We're gonna get it for him. And

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who he gave him a very tough fight. You remember

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it was a legit fight. So anyway, in the fight

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that he had with Otto, he looked great. I mean,

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a guy with thirteen losses. He looked like a guy

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that been zocked out four times. He was in with

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by by Joshua. He had one win since then, but

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against a complete nobody in one round and from the

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outset look he took a two auto valley right off

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the gate, right off the first belt. He was out

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boxing the He's out punched him, landed all kinds of

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crazy overhand rights, landed a lot of clean shots, knocked

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ninth round where he went like basically staggering and cussing

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seconds of the fight in the twelve round, he dropped

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him again for the second knockdown. Now, the thing that

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was very concerning to me is, I mean this was

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clearly a one sided, one way traffic kind of victory

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for Derek to sort one judge had at one seventeen

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to one. Oh and ee that scene about right. One

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but clearly a victory, and the other judge had at

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one fourteen to one twelve, which means if he doesn't

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which is absolutely the most fucked up thing you could

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think of. Now, Derek did not have an easy time

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of it because he got two cuts under his eye

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and over his eye from a headbutt, and the blood

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but he obviously persevered through it. But were you concerned

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it could have been had they had

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they stopped the fight, though it would have gone to

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the scorecards for a technical decision, and obviously Josh Derek

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and you know what was you know, granted it was

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the event and the fight. But yeah, I would have

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been a bummer if they stopped the fight. Fortunately it

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wasn't bad enough to stop it. Derek Tasaa is the

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guy that's going to just roll over and quit, so

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he was more than happy to continue to go and

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do his thing. And you know, for a guy that's

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thirty five or now thirty six and thirteen, he's such

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a such a loved figure in British boxing, And how

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could you not love the guy because he comes with

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his heart every time they down the ring. He fights

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his ass off. He's never ducked anybody. If you go, look,

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I mean talk about I mean can't wait all these fights.

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Tyson Fury three times, Kubert pull Up twice, Joseph Parker twice,

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Alexander usik Uh, Dylan White, Carlos ta Kam your boy,

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Speaker 4: As a matter of.

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Speaker 1: Fact, by the way he lost most of these fights

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that you're listening enough.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, I mean, but he fought them all, and

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they and every one of those guys when they were

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done with him, knew they were in a real fight.

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He fought David Hay obviously many years ago, he went

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the distance in a in a world championship fight against

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three of their fights, but one was in a world

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title fight. And even back in the day when Robert

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the on the on the you know coming up, he lost,

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you know, a split decision in that fight. Uh, you

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know he and then he found all the other of

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the of that era when he was around, like British

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fighters that had a lot of hype behind them. He

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in the British heavyweight scene. So he's been through multiple

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eras of heavyweights and he has fought everybody and so

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and we'll see if he can do uh, all right,

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so have the miraculous mining at fight fifty.

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Speaker 1: All right, so fight fifty. We'll see whatever that's going

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Speaker 3: Mike, I will say one thing. Let me just take

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one more thing. Should should he actually get a championship

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fight in his fiftieth fight against say to the winner

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of Dubat and Parker, And should he win that fight,

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I would I would be a rather surprise if Derek

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Jasaora wins a heavyweight championship and fight number fifteen then

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calls him theme doesn't least cash in one more for

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the big payday.

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Speaker 2: All right. So we got a big supposition there.

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Speaker 1: We're supposing that he would win a significant fight because

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let's be honest, these last couple of fights, Joe Joyce

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got hammered twice, damage goods by jang Otto, Voleen got

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blasted by Anthony Joshua. I don't put a lot of stock.

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I know he's a fan favorite. I don't put a

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lot of stock in that. I put a lot of

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stock in this. He's taking brain damage. He didn't take

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a lot of damage in this fight, but look at

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his face again, swollen, cut up shots to the head.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder about later.

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Speaker 3: Shuts in the swelling that was from the headbutt.

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Speaker 1: I mean from the understand but I mean it's not

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like he's unscathed coming out of that fight. And and

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by the way, I don't have to see him get

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a world title shot one more time. He's had multiple opportunities.

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Tyson Fury beat him, beat him badly, beat him for

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nine fool I remember, I remember how disgusted you were

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coming in for the for that pod when we recapped it.

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I think this is fine for what it is, at

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the level that it is, and it should be about over.

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Speaker 2: That's my take for.

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Speaker 3: I got sitting here. I'm not advocating for a world

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title fight. I'm just saying to you what the possible

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landscape may beat up. But he's got this victory so.

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Speaker 1: And hopefully and hopefully somebody looks out for Derek Chesa,

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being fifty years old in nine years.

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Speaker 3: That he seemed pretty serious when he was quizzed again.

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I watched the postfight press conference, and it's one thing

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to still be in the UK, which is where his

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you do that, he says no, no, no, fifty undone.

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It's a rap.

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Speaker 2: So that you know, all of them say that and

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then they keep fighting.

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Speaker 1: Understand, I'm with you, I'm with you on what he said.

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Speaker 3: It was a good fight, is the point, and it was.

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It was a it was a great atmosphere. They showed

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the love for Derek Tasro.

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Speaker 2: He's clearly a fan favorite.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's disputing that. And he clearly delivered. At forty one

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years old, he was the better fighter at that level.

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I would consider I would consider this like C plus

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level or maybe be my level. He delivered at that

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level and that's h and that's that. Shall we talk

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about the heavyweight title shot for Joseph Parker We can

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do that. I think we shall here on the Recap

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podcast because you interviewed him. He's coming up now on

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a couple of weekends in Riot against Daniel Dubois.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear from Parker right now on the Recap pod.

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Speaker 3: What is my great pleasure to welcome to the podcast

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my old friend, the former w BO Heavyweight Chamber of

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the World now getting ready to challenge for the IBF

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Heavyweight title. It is one Joe Parker. Joe, thank you

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verry much for doing this. You have a very significant fight.

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As I mentioned, you're in a challenge Daniel Dubois for

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the IBF Heavyweight title. It will take place on February

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twenty second. You are the co feature of the rematch

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between Arthur better Ba and Dimitri Bioble for the undisputed

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light Heavyweight Championship that's taking place in Riad, Saudi Arabia.

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So welcome to the show. I'm very excited to talk

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to you because, as I was saying to you before

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we started to record this, it's been a minute since

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we've chatted.

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Speaker 4: Speed a minute bye that thanks for having me on

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the show. And yes, I'm looking forward to this massive challenge,

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not only fighting to any jobos and IBF World Championship,

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but also being on a massive cod and I'm looking

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forward to putting on a good display. I've been training huh,

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So I'm very excited.

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Speaker 3: Well, you have faced Joseph Parker so many top quality

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opponents rout your career, whether you have won the fights,

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lost the fights, whatever, and I have to tell you

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I talked to boxing people, promoters, managers, TV folks all

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the time, and I have never heard anybody say anything

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about Joseph Parker other than yeah, he'll fight anybody that

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we give to him, anybody that we put in front

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of them. What is it about your mentality that is

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like you don't care, You just I mean, all they

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gotta do is go on your box wreck and look

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at the caliber of opponents you fought throughout your career.

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What is it about you that makes you just say, hey,

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I'll five fight whoever they stick in front of me.

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Speaker 4: You know, being involved in boxing as a fighter, you

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want to be champions of the world. But also there's

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another side of me, and I'm sure there are other

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fighters as well that you want to fight the bitch

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in the world, and you want to fight everyone, and

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you've never turned on the fight. And I think that's

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been the case in my career where there's given me

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fights and even like you said, win or lose, I

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fought nearly everyone and I'll fight everyone. I feel like

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now like I've been boxing for a living twelve years now,

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and I have mentioned it before, but I feel like

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now when You've just found what really works for me.

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You know, I got a great team. I had a

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great team before, I've got a great team now, And

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I feel like now I'm only just getting into my prime.

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I'm understanding what I'm doing. I'm enjoying it way more now,

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and I'm ready to keep it being involved in big fights.

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Speaker 3: Well, like you said, you got a big fight coming

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up on February twenty seven, and let's talk a little

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bit about Daniel Dubas, who seems like a very a

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very good opponent, a guy that's finding his own stride,

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as you have done in your career. Also, so, he

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got knocked out by Joe by Joe Joyce, a common

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opponent with you, that was back in twenty twenty. A

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lot of people were very negative about the way that

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that fight ended, even though he was legitimately injured. He

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won a bunch of fights after that. Then he got

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knocked out by Alexander Usik challenging him for the unified

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titles in a fight where you know, frankly didn't really

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even compete all that well, and a lot of people

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kind of wrote him off. But then he's gone on

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this excellent string. He beat jeral Miller gave him his

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first loss. He beat Philip Herkovich by the TKO, caught

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him up real bad, ended up getting the interim title,

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got elevated, and then he obviously scored the huge victory

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against Joseph against not Joseph Parker against Anthony Joshua in

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a massive knockout that took place in the in the

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in the September time frame last year. Which is the

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real Duboi? Is it the guy that's looked maybe shaky,

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let's say, against Usick and got stopped by Joe Joyce

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Or is it the guy that we've seen, especially over

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the last three fights, where he's really put it together

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against good quality opposition.

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Speaker 4: I think you can only take what you've seen ridden

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recent times. I know that he has been stopped by

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Joe Joys. I was a while ago, like you mentioned,

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twenty twenty was it, And then you know, you got

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to fight with Ustick, who's a masterclass and also you know,

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very skilled movement, you know, faint handspeed, all this, and

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then then you like you say, Dubois being on a

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run and the middle of fight, I thought, I don't

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know that he was going to win all these fights.

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I thought, you know, because he's had quitting him before,

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it might be you know, there might be something they

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might lean towards when times do get hard in the fight.

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But he has shown a lot more maturity in a

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way that he's opposed to fight confidence, self belief, and

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he's shown he's showing what you ca're do in a ring.

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You know, the fights he's had, he's wounded more by knockout,

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so he is high, sky high and confidence at the moment.

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Speaker 3: So he obviously had a huge knockout against Anthony Joshua.

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I mean that was probably one of the knockouts of

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year two th twenty four. When you fought Anthony Joshua

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when you're a great, big, huge unification fight back in

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twenty eighteen, he didn't knock you out. He won a

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you know, a decision that it was pretty clear cut,

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you know, in handing you that defeat. So you have those,

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you know, you both have the Anthony Joshua was the

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common opponent, a guy you lost to, but a guy

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he just blew away. Do you think there's anything to

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the concept of the that the common opponent means anything

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going into this fight.

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Speaker 4: I don't think. I think times are different, you know,

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from the twenty six year old fighter who was trying

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to unify myself against Joshua is a totally different fighter

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out and physically and mentally. I think he You know,

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when you approach it fight, you have to look at

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the recent performances and and that's what you can sort

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of take from me. You can't really, I mean, you

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can always have revert back to type. Things do get hot,

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you can, but I think that with Duba's performances, he's

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showing that when things do get hot in the fights,

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he can push through that. You know that haw should

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he's been for before.

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Speaker 3: So you're not expecting then that you're expecting the da

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that showed the heart as opposed to the guy that

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maybe packed it in.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I'm expecting to the Bois that we've seen recently. Yeah,

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the one that's showing how the one that's showing grit

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and determination and a bit of dog in these fights

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that we've seen.

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Speaker 3: So we talked about his excellent run that he's been

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on those in those recent fights that's really catapulted him

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to the top of the weight class. Other than let's

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say Alexander Ussek. You know who was the world champion,

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but you, you, yourself, Joe have had a tremendous run yourself.

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I mean, ever since that loss against Joe Joyce, which

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was a heck of a fight that was back in

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what twenty and twenty two, that you've won a bunch

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of fights in a row. So you've won five fights

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in a row. Now, they weren't all the elite guys,

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but you were super active and you did beat two

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of the top guys in the division in back to

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back fights. You had the big win against Deontay Wilder

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and then you had to win against Jilly Jang. So

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I think those are pretty much two of the best

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big wins in heavyweight boxing over the last few years,

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you know, other than maybe Usak, you know Waight Fury

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beating Wilder two times in a row. So I wonder

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what has changed for you since the loss against Joe

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that allowed you to put together an excellent run and

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on top of that, in that run, have those two

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elite victories.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when you have a loss, I'm not sure about

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other fighters, but me personally, I had lost and I

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started asking myself questions. You know, I've been sacrificing being

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away from the family for a long time. I left

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my family in New Zealand, training England, doing everything I

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thought was right, and then I got a big loss

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to Joey Joyce. The next fight I had was Jack Messy,

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and still the performance was very.

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Speaker 3: Not a good performances inconsistent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, inconsistent, but still a win. But just when you

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look at the performance, it was just not really up

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to the part, you know what I mean. So I

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started watching more questions than I employed. Someone named George

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Locko who I met through Tyson Fury. He did his

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nutrition and I asked him if he could come up

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and see camp and do my nutrition for me. And

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then one thing led to the next. I started questioning

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him about strength conditioning, and his knowledge on strength conditioning,

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recovery and nutrition changed everything that I've been doing since

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linking up with them. And I find I find now

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that the working relationship I have with George Locker and

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Andy Lee has made a massive difference us all working

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together and sink and just doing everything like togetherness, you know,

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because there's been a lot of learning and there's a

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lot of science behind a lot of things that I

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haven't even you know that I've just so only started

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learning about now.

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Speaker 3: So when you had the fights against Wilder and jillye Jang,

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the two fights that you won most recently, that were

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the biggest fights that you won in a while, that

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you were the underdog in both those fights as far

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as I can tell, uh, and you you thrived. You know,

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it wasn't really like there was even a It wasn't

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like they were controversial. I mean, you didn't get knockouts,

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but you were the clear winner of both those fights.

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And you're gonna go into this fight with Danga Duwah

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probably is the underdog. You like that position because of

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your success. You've had it where I think a lot

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of people look at Anthony Joshua and say, well Duwa

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destroyed him. You know, he's a wrecking machine right now.

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And Joseph Parker goes in this fight kind of like

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not get the kind of attention maybe that he's been getting.

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Speaker 4: Always the underdog, And you know, I appreciate the position

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of them, and you uh we uh like plan spoilers

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like myself, Andy Lee and George Locke. And then they

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had big fights sign up for Lola and Joshua another fight,

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the fight sign up for But I do I do.

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I do like being the underdog, and I think we

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can I can thrive off that, and I can build

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off that, and I can you know the element of surprise, You.

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Speaker 3: Know, I was wondering when you defeated uh, Deontay Wilder.

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It was it was well known I had reported, others

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had reported that that there was a deal in place

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that if Anthony Joshua won his main event that night,

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and if Deontay Wilder had defeated Joseph Parker, that the

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fight that so many people look forward to it for

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a very long time. Although not at the same level

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as it would have been had they met a few

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years ago as undefeated fighters for the undisputed title, it

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was still going to be a pretty big deal. And

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you you ruin those plans. Were you a little bit offended?

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Maybe that uh a quality championship level of fighter like yourself,

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a former world champion, I was basically being completely overlooked

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by everybody, thinking that they're just gonna walk through those opponents,

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you know, and and make the fight between Wilder and

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Anthony Joshua. But you were gonna have something to say

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about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna gonna say, but we'll say it quietly.

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Just go about our work and keep building. And you

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know what, a lot because of my performances before that,

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a lot of people thought I was just gonna go

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and get knocked out. And that's fine, because my performances

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weren't really the best. But in terms of working with

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Georgia and saying working with Andy and being able to build, build, build,

475
00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:32,079
I had a good feeling against the fight that I've

476
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,880
done everything right, you know, and I know Water was

477
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,880
coming off a long layoff, and I was sort of

478
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,359
the I was the busier fighter leading up to that fight,

479
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,519
and they did have that big fight locked in. I

480
00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:46,799
think they already had contracts silence. Yeah, but that's why

481
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,119
after the fight and after getting that win just meant

482
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,319
so much more, you know, just leaving the family training hard,

483
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,400
everyone thinking you're gonna get knocked out, and then you

484
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,480
were able to get a good result.

485
00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:58,079
Speaker 3: Now you brought up Andy Lee a couple of times.

486
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,559
I have known Andy Lee since he turned professional as

487
00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:03,240
a boxer himself under the great Emmanuel Stewart, who was

488
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,039
a dear friend of mine. I covered Andy Lee's entire career.

489
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,319
I love the guy, and so when he linked up

490
00:21:08,319 --> 00:21:09,960
with you. It made me happy because it was like

491
00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:13,000
a continuation of the great Kronk legacy that was built,

492
00:21:13,079 --> 00:21:15,240
you know, by Emmanuel Steward that he was like a disciple,

493
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,400
and here he is training Joseph Parker. So I'd like

494
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:19,960
for you to just try to express to me what

495
00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:21,960
has Andy meant to your career. I know you mentioned

496
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,200
about getting your new strength and conditioning, your nutrition situation

497
00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:28,559
handled with George, but talk to me a little about

498
00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:30,880
what Andy has brought in terms of the in the gym.

499
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,960
The ex's and the O is just your your mentality,

500
00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:35,160
the poise that you always show. What does he meant

501
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,200
for your camp in your corner?

502
00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 4: You know what when you have someone like Andy with

503
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,039
the experience that he has under his belt, being a

504
00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:43,759
world champion himself, being around the Manusrurt like you said,

505
00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:47,160
training and that sort of group and then bringing the

506
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,799
experience that he has, but also is calm natia, you

507
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,279
know you need someone and also I know with great friends,

508
00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:55,480
but when you're in the gym, it's a different Story's no,

509
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,079
there's no friendship. Is it's you know, it's it's uh

510
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,480
Boksha and his teacher, and there's a lot of There's

511
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,359
a lot of trainers out there who are good at training,

512
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,680
but not all of them are teachers, you know. And

513
00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:09,839
there's there's a way that Andy breaks things down that

514
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,880
I'm able to take in and and sort of understand.

515
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,839
And he sort of just stripped me back into and

516
00:22:16,079 --> 00:22:18,000
who worked on the basics, and then it just built

517
00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:20,359
me up again. And I feel like there was as

518
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,759
a fighter when you go through all these I don't know,

519
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,039
for years of training, you so forget about the basics

520
00:22:25,079 --> 00:22:27,480
and what's really important, and you really have to, I mean,

521
00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:30,319
the basics is what you build everything off. So Andy,

522
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,319
Andy is a great teacher. Andy is a great friend,

523
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,039
but I also I think he's a master coming up

524
00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:39,519
with a game plan and win executed. It's a great night.

525
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 3: You were so busy after the fight with Joe Joyce.

526
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,079
I was looking at your box track and I counted

527
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,759
five fights in fourteen months, including the two victories against

528
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:52,599
Deontay Wilder and Zilly Zang, but by post that you

529
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,119
only had the one fight in twenty twenty four and

530
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,799
eleven month layoff. So I'm wondering why so busy for

531
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,200
that period of time, and then so in act them

532
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,640
over the past year as opposed maybe you know, you know, yeah.

533
00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love to keep busy and I love to

534
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,839
keep fighting. And you know, like you said, from the

535
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,839
Joys fight until the Youang fight, we're fighting those four

536
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,519
or five fights in two and twenty four. After Jang,

537
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:15,839
I thought, you know what, I've got a good win.

538
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,599
I want to keep fighting. Now I'm going to have

539
00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:18,720
another two or three fights.

540
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 3: What happened?

541
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,799
Speaker 4: And tried to make fights, tried to tried everything, rand

542
00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:24,799
promoters rang everyone. Can I get a fight? Can I

543
00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:27,599
get a fight? And just what I couldn't get a

544
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,319
fight locked in and this was the only fight now

545
00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:32,680
is the fighter they offered me? So I know I've

546
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,680
had a long layoff and it cannfix fighters being out

547
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,799
of the ring for so long. But you know, when

548
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,880
I feel like I've lived, I've lived the life of

549
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:46,519
a fighter or a boxer and been focusing on strength, conditioning, nutrition.

550
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,839
But I did want to keep busy, but it's not

551
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,680
really up to me. You know, I didn't really get

552
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,079
the opportunity to have a fight.

553
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 3: Well, you were, you were the WBO champion back several

554
00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:58,599
years ago. You know that was prior than you obviously

555
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,880
tried to unify with Joshua, but you haven't had I

556
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,839
know you had interim title fights, but but I'm talking

557
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:05,279
about a bona fide one of the major belts. This

558
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,640
will be the first one in a while when you

559
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,680
fight Dubai. How just just the idea that you can

560
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,680
maybe grab one of these big belts. You got to

561
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,599
be just thrilled about that. I mean, because it's been.

562
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 4: I'm thrilled and I am so excited. I'm over the

563
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,680
mint for this opportunity. But I know it's just the opportunity.

564
00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:23,319
I haven't got the belt yet. Yep, It'll mean so

565
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,559
much more. It will mean something different winning at this

566
00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:28,759
time because the last time I was I think I

567
00:24:28,839 --> 00:24:30,799
was a well I know I was immature. I didn't

568
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:33,559
really appreciate the position I was in, wasn't taking it seriously.

569
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:36,480
Whereas now I'm thirty three years old, married, you know,

570
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,960
I got five kids, and it's a different position to

571
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:40,960
be in. But just the opportunity to fight for the

572
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,920
belt again after all these years, right, it's going to

573
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,000
be uh, it's going to be a good feeling.

574
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:47,799
Speaker 3: So if you're able to do the business and take

575
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:51,720
care of Danie Dubai and raise that IBF title. What

576
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:53,279
would you want to do next? A lot of people

577
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,599
look at it and say, well, Usik got basically stripped

578
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,720
or were sports to vacate, so it should be his.

579
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,440
I assume you would want to fight Husik for the

580
00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:03,240
undisputed opportunity? Is that maybe you want to go after

581
00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:05,839
one of the guys that you lost to a Joshua fight,

582
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,119
another Joyce fight, Dellian White's the other fighter that you

583
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,319
lost the fight to, Like what is in your mind?

584
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,359
Like how would you like to try to capitalize and.

585
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,599
Speaker 4: Be able to do this? You never want to look

586
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,279
too far ahead, but in my mind it will be

587
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,160
when the IBA Championship with the World of Dubois Hot

588
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:23,880
Music unification undisputed and then avenger losses to those guys

589
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,160
that I've thought that I've lost to. That that's for me,

590
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:28,519
That's the perfect scenario in my head.

591
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:31,079
Speaker 3: And you mentioned you know you've been doing this while

592
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:34,440
you're you got your thirty three years old, five kids married,

593
00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:38,839
uh successful heavyweight pro nearly thirteen years? How many you

594
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,400
ever give thought how much longer you wanted to do

595
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,200
this because you're you're young age wise, but it's been

596
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,839
a longer. You fought a lot of top guys and

597
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:48,279
haven't all been easy fights a sometime.

598
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: But in my thirty fifth year of being on this

599
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,640
surf undone, so.

600
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: That's you got to take care of this business. Then

601
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,279
maybe what two three or more fights and you're, yeah.

602
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,039
Speaker 4: Take care of this business on thirty three now and

603
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,039
then once once. That's only thirty five, and I'm sometimes

604
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:04,519
when I'm thirty five, I'm out. I'm going to be

605
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,920
very thankful for the buss as a career that I've

606
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,519
had and still going strong. Now. I've been, like you said,

607
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:12,279
I've been in boxing for a while now and just

608
00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:15,160
got to look after yourself after, you know, after all

609
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:17,119
everything you've achieved or won as chief.

610
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 3: So I'll just wrap up with this then, Joe, you

611
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:22,599
got to fight with Dubi. I mean, on any other

612
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,000
card in the world. That's the main event obviously, but

613
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,799
I wonder how do you feel like the fight goes?

614
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:29,920
How does it play out with your fight with Daniel Duba.

615
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 4: I feel like I've said it in the two him

616
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,119
I said, I feel like I'll be too smart for him.

617
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,720
I know I do boss got heavy punches, any punches

618
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:43,480
and combinations and for his bunches, for bunches of punches.

619
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:45,000
But I feel like I'm going to be too smart.

620
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,880
Movement is going to be a bit of an issue

621
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,519
for him, and we'll work on a good game plan

622
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,680
with Andy. But and also I feel like I've got

623
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,039
more power. You know, I'm going to be a lot heavier,

624
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,440
not a lot of Hey, I'm going to be heavy

625
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,279
in this fight, and I think I'm going to break

626
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,400
him down, break him down until he he's a bit

627
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,240
confusing then and get him out of there.

628
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 3: It may be a better chin, Joe. I mean that,

629
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,839
not that this son Daniel, but maybe a better chin

630
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:07,480
that you have than him.

631
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 4: Daniel's got a note better of a chin himself. There's

632
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,160
Herkovich right, Hans. Joshua landed a good right hand before

633
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,240
you going off to himself, So he has shown a

634
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:18,880
good chin. It's just that he used to go joke

635
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,240
by a jab and also like the injury with the

636
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:23,440
Joe Joyce fly, so you just had to break him

637
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,119
down to the point where he kind of bell tell

638
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,079
you what's happening in the fight.

639
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 3: Well, whatever happens in the fight, Joe, I wish you

640
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:32,079
best of luck, look forward to watching it. Thank you

641
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,200
very much for joining me today.

642
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

643
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,599
Speaker 1: And again, this is a guy that has been in

644
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,279
the mix, uh and has has made the most of

645
00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:42,759
a couple of opportunities, including beating Deontay Wilder. Now he

646
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:47,240
gets a world title opportunity here with Dubois coming up.

647
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,319
All right, give me a little more PostScript on that

648
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,839
conversation with Joseph Parker.

649
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 3: Well, one, Joe is already in read training for the fight,

650
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,960
and so he'll have plenty of time to acclimate because

651
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,400
I was like, I never never quite sure when I'm

652
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,359
doing these rooms with these guys exactly what they are.

653
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,000
But Joe is already in Saudi Arabia, so I'll be

654
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:05,880
there through the duration. So no issues in terms of

655
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,920
likeclamanting to the time or the weather, or the food

656
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,599
or the traveler or the you know, any of the

657
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,400
things go along with it. I've known Joe Parker for

658
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,400
a very long time. Really good guy, very very personable,

659
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,200
you know, easy to root for, you know, has done

660
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,400
his career the right way, in great shape. And look

661
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:23,880
he he is a guy that's won five fights in

662
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,680
a row, but he's got two of the better wins

663
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:28,400
in a row In recent heavyweight times, he's got back

664
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,559
to back wins against Deontay Wilder and Zille Jang, which

665
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:35,000
are very solid. I mean, you know, the Wilder fight

666
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:37,519
wasn't a particularly good fight, but he did win. The fight,

667
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,000
was no question about that. That was the one that

668
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,440
ruined the plants for Joshua A gainst wild They already

669
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,839
had agreements and Joshua defeated Otto in the main event

670
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,599
that night, but it was Joseph Parker defeating Deontay Wilder

671
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:51,359
in the fight right before that. This is on the

672
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,160
day of reckoning card back at the end of twenty

673
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,519
twenty three in in Riad, So that was you know,

674
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,039
he pulled the bigs upset. But the thing I love

675
00:28:58,039 --> 00:28:59,839
about Joe Joe Parker, you hear us talk a little

676
00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:02,160
bit about it, is like he's so unassuming, is like

677
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,079
he's the underdog. He isn't carry He's just like doing

678
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,519
his thing, you know, wants to fight the best guys.

679
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,119
I got a lot of love for Joe Parker, I

680
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,039
admit that. I mean, he's a he's a really cool guy.

681
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:11,759
Like I said, I know him a long time, been

682
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:14,240
to many of his fights, and I was really glad

683
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,759
that we were able to get this interview on because

684
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:17,039
I hadn't talked to him in a bit, and uh,

685
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:19,400
you know, it was it was. It was a fun interview.

686
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: He's won a couple of significant fights to put him

687
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,680
in position for this shot with Duboin. Will have plenty

688
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,000
of time to preview that. But excellent, get on that.

689
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,119
And by the way, you had Keyshawn Davis on the

690
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,680
previous pod. Uh here he's headlining this Friday. We had

691
00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:39,599
Joseph Parker here, shall we tell the audience you and

692
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,480
Dmitri b bol coming up as well.

693
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,599
Speaker 3: We got we got Dmitri Bbole coming up before the fight.

694
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,240
We'll play that, I guess you know in the week

695
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,200
before their fight. And then a little down the road.

696
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,960
We also have ready four hour podcasts. We have an

697
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,759
interview with the w b A junior light white title

698
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:56,839
holder Lamar Roach Junior, who was moving up to lightweight

699
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,960
to challenge Gervonte Tank Davis in their March first five

700
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,519
on the PBC on Prime d PPD dot Com payper view.

701
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: Little little tease there for what's ahead on the pod.

702
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,160
Good stuff.

703
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got other guys coming, just trying to get it.

704
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:12,559
Speaker 1: Squad away you're a hustling and the hustle is real

705
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:14,720
and we love it, even though while he's playing hurt.

706
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,480
All right news and I'm not trying to make you sicker.

707
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,720
The Canelo Alvarez soap opera. So we left the pod

708
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:24,839
and put it to bed that we were wondering, is

709
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,559
the Jake Paul fight gonna happen? This was Thursday night again,

710
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,519
just pulling the curtain back, and then late night Thursday night,

711
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:34,599
Turkey al Chic and Canello both confirmed, Okay, it is

712
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,039
a multi fight deal with Riodd season and no, Jake

713
00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:39,440
Paul is not involved. So you and I discussed it

714
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:41,960
on the bet Us show, But for the pod audience,

715
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:45,799
let's discuss it here. One, we now know it's a

716
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,039
multi fight deal. The first fight is in Saudi Arabia

717
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:51,920
in May. They've now announced that the opponent is the

718
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:57,519
IBF body and waiting William Skull, who was gifted the

719
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,720
opportunity to fight for the supposed vacant that Canelo is

720
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,920
really the champion of that's me saying that. So that's

721
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,279
the fight in May, and then Terrence Crawford is apparently

722
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,480
the fight in September. All right, for the pod audience,

723
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:09,079
What do you make of all this and the multi

724
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:09,599
fight deal?

725
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: Go listen.

726
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: They had a deal or close to a deal, depends

727
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,400
what you believe. I mean, Jake Paul is out there.

728
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,240
You can look at his social media and his videos

729
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,759
that they were close to a deal for the May fight.

730
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:24,799
They had, you know, he claims. He showed what he

731
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,319
claimed was the poster for the fight. He claimed that

732
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,039
they were supposed to announce the fight this company. Tuesday,

733
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:34,519
February eleventh, he showed what was what he said was

734
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,319
a signed contract for the fight. No offense to my man,

735
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,000
Jake Paul. He should learn how to read because it

736
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:40,680
was not a signed contract or the fight. You can

737
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,599
see it in what he posted. It was clearly Canelo's signature,

738
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:47,039
but it was in actuality, it was a document that

739
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:51,039
was a confidentiality agreement for whatever they were discussing your signing.

740
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:52,799
It wasn't like a bout agreement because.

741
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: What they're talking about, right, you know.

742
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:56,319
Speaker 3: But the point is like they were making that deal.

743
00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:00,799
But I always felt that the Canelo he probably would

744
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,440
have done the fight if there were if that was

745
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,680
the option. He didn't really want to do that fight.

746
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:08,640
Say what you want about Canelo he doesn't want to

747
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,559
fight Benavidias this or that he wants to fight real fighters.

748
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:12,920
I mean, you could say what you want about you

749
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,319
don't like you know that he fought burlang A, or

750
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,440
that he fought Mongia, already fought this guy or that guy.

751
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,200
Those are real fighters. I mean, those are actual contenders.

752
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,880
Those are solid professionals with good records, who have standing

753
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,920
and all that. Jake Paul, uh no offense to him.

754
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:29,079
And I've enjoyed his events. You know that we've talked

755
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:31,720
about him about here chagrin at times on this podcast,

756
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,960
but uh, it's not the same as real, legit championship boxing, agreed.

757
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,440
One of the issues that had come up between Jake

758
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:43,119
and Canelo was how was this fight going to be handled?

759
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,799
Jake Paul has said that they were looking to do

760
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,039
another big Netflix event the way he did with Mike Tyson,

761
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:52,799
which had a gargantuine audience. Netflix Play paid crazy amounts

762
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,240
of money to do the event. They want ten pole events.

763
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,000
They're not doing pay per views. So Jake's piggin was

764
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:00,799
we're doing this on Netflix. Canelo didn't want to do

765
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:03,000
it on Netflix. He wanted to do it on with

766
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:05,119
you know, you know, we would have worked with PBC

767
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:06,599
on the event and they would have delivered it on

768
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,519
prime video pay per view. Jake didn't want to do that.

769
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,920
That was one of the things that may have been

770
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,680
a reason why he didn't can't final that. Nonetheless, Turkey

771
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,680
came in and I don't know what he did, but

772
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:18,559
he must have backed up a couple of you know,

773
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,359
big giant brain trucks filled with all kinds of cash

774
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,160
considerations because Canelo hasn't done a lot of multi fight

775
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,359
deals in the recent times since he separated from Golden Boy.

776
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 4: Uh.

777
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: He did do a three fight deal with PBC, but

778
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:32,599
it had an out and he ultimately didn't do the

779
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,400
three fight deal, even though he did fight one on

780
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:37,759
one on one with PBC. But now he's leaving PBC

781
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,559
and he's going to be doing these four fights with Turkey.

782
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:42,119
I mean it's very clear that, you know, and I'm

783
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,960
not saying anything like negative about Canelo because you know,

784
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,160
all though I love Canelo, but he's he's winding down.

785
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,599
I mean, this is he's getting the money, and I

786
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,240
don't blame him. Uh, He's gonna fight Williams Skull for

787
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,480
the IBF title that belonged to Canelo. They took from

788
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,400
Canelo when Skull was a ridiculous mandatory and he did

789
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,920
a different fight because Skull had no name, value, no recognition,

790
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,440
never even been on TV. He ended up winning the

791
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,400
vacant belt barely in a fight that was highly disputed,

792
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,320
but he got the belt. And so now it's a chance,

793
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,599
if you care about such things, that Canelo can become

794
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,400
the two time undisputed champion. But the carrot for it

795
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:18,000
the reason A, it's probably an easy fight for Canelo,

796
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:20,119
number one probably, but number two probably.

797
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: Did you use the word probably? I know you're on

798
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,239
cold medication. Did you use the word probably with me?

799
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,559
It is an easy fight for him?

800
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,519
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough? So is Buster duggles against Mike Tyson. Anyway.

801
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I do not go there, and this is

802
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:33,159
the and you not go there.

803
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: Do not go there anyway. Beyond that, what the reason

804
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:42,559
why Canelo being undisputed again will have some residents is

805
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,199
when he blows away William Skull when he goes into

806
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,559
the fight against Terrence Crawford that will be in September.

807
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:51,840
Crawford will not fight between now and September. It will

808
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,599
be the opportunity for Crawford to become for the first

809
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:58,639
time in men's boxing, a in the four belt era,

810
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,400
a three division on speeded champion that has not happened.

811
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,719
That's a big deal. So he was the underspeed champion

812
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,599
at junior welterweight, he was the underspeeded champion at welterweight,

813
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,280
and now he has the opportunity potentially to do it

814
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,199
at super midawaight, two divisions north of where he's you know,

815
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:14,480
was at his best at welterweight, even though he currently

816
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:16,760
holds a time legend of midway. So I just add

817
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,079
some historical aspects to that.

818
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:21,039
Speaker 1: I understand on that, all right, So I have two

819
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,280
quick takes. Number One, This goes on all the time

820
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,000
in negotiations, we understand it.

821
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: They used the MVP people and the Jake Paul people Canelo.

822
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:32,119
Speaker 3: But I think they still would have done the deal

823
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:33,360
if they couldn't get out at Turkey.

824
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: I think they were using them all the way to

825
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,760
get the best deal if they could. That's my opinion.

826
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,360
That's my take.

827
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: That's the reason why all of it was going on

828
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,960
back and forth there for a couple of days to

829
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:43,679
ump to up the dollars to up whatever the leverage

830
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,039
is on a multi fight deal and getting Fafford next.

831
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,320
The second thing is it's an absolute joke that this

832
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,239
is the first we're wasting our time with this. I

833
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,679
understand with what you explain why it's going on, but

834
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,599
this is an absolute joke. When Canelo maybe only has

835
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:00,440
two or three fights, three or four fights left, if

836
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,119
this is one of the fights, I mean, that's a joke.

837
00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:08,920
Fight fight Christian Mobili As I said on on Friday

838
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,159
on the bet Us Show, that's a much more credible

839
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:13,400
fight than what this is. This is an incredible fight.

840
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,039
So there's my two takes on that. Understand why they're

841
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:16,239
doing it.

842
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, if somebody said to you, TJ, you can spend

843
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:23,960
five minutes recapping a football game and we'll pay you

844
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,400
a million dollars mm hmm. Or you can spend three

845
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,639
hours colling a game, we'll pay you one hundred thousand dollars.

846
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:32,360
Which one are you gonna do? Okay, So you're going

847
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,599
to take the bigger money for the unsure All right,

848
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,599
under that's all I'm saying. That doesn't make I'm coming.

849
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: Back with another analogy that Now I'm gonna come back

850
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,119
with another analogy. You're a Hall of Fame fighter, the

851
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,239
money is the same. From a credibility and legacy standpoint,

852
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,840
should you fight the joke or should you fight at

853
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,039
least somebody credible.

854
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: Since you had an analogy for me.

855
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,199
Speaker 3: What should you do? You're trying to dump up an

856
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,679
argument with you, and I'm not trying to argue with you.

857
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:00,559
Totally get it.

858
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but in your analogy, it's different money.

859
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:06,239
That's not correct with this. It's the same money. He's

860
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,480
going to get the same money from the Saudiast whether

861
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:11,400
he's finding William Skull, Christian Mobility or TJ.

862
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: He's going to get the same money.

863
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: If you're a Canelo Alvarez and you have the two options,

864
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,679
it probably is more interesting for him to try to

865
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,639
get the other belt. Again, I'm not saying that's right.

866
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:22,960
I'm not saying that's what I would do or what

867
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:24,960
other people might do. But he's going to get paid

868
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,480
a whole entire crazy amount of money to fight a

869
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,480
fight that is just a probably a walkover to collect

870
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,519
another belt to help make the Crawford fight a bit bigger.

871
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,559
And you know he's putting away the annuity money right

872
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,400
now because what. You can talk about his legacy all

873
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,159
you want, and I'm a big into that because I

874
00:37:41,199 --> 00:37:42,719
consider myself a historian.

875
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 4: I'm boxing.

876
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 3: However, the Canilo Alvarez legacy is largely set. There's not

877
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,119
a lot that's going to change right between now and

878
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:52,320
the end of his career that's going to do anything

879
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,880
to take away what he's already done for the last

880
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,639
fifteen or seventeen or eighteen years. So I kind of

881
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:01,199
get it. Here's my biggest disappointment. My biggest disappointment is

882
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,519
that Canelo is going to fight three, supposedly three of

883
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,320
these next four fights in Ria Saudi Arabia, which means

884
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,079
he's leaving is his North American Mexican Mexican American fan base.

885
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: Of course, you and I have already put on the

886
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,079
record on that bet Us show Friday will believe the

887
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:19,119
two fights in Saudi Arabia when he fights twice in

888
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:21,599
Saudi Arabia in twenty twenty six, You and I are dubiets.

889
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: We're skeptical on.

890
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: That, but the fact is that's what they're saying is

891
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,800
the case. So he'll He's going to clearly fight the

892
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,239
skull fight in May and Saudi Arabia, and as I

893
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,280
joked with a Canelo insider, if you will on part

894
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,639
of the team, I said, Saudi Arabia is not far

895
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,800
enough away from me for that fight. But at least

896
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,920
they're going to bring the Crawford fight back to Las

897
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,760
Vegas where it belongs obviously, and then, like you said,

898
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,760
we'll see what happens after that, if he beats Crawford

899
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,800
or whatever happens in the Crawford fight, what his next

900
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,039
move is going to be. I think you know the

901
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,800
you know that that is still an open he wants

902
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,360
to make the Beta beatis fight. We'll see.

903
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: I have one question. I just want to make sure

904
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:57,559
of this.

905
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,599
Speaker 1: The Crawford fight we believe is already agreed to for

906
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,000
September or could that be a problem and it's potentially

907
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:06,519
somebody else in September?

908
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:07,199
Speaker 2: Quick answer?

909
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: What do we know?

910
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,639
Speaker 3: If I know, and what they've been saying, and if

911
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:12,199
you take a look at Terrence's social and what turkey

912
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,079
and no, it's very.

913
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: Clear that it's it's going to be the September fight.

914
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 3: It's September with Crawford, which is always sort of the

915
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,320
hope and the plan, and then what happens after that.

916
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,679
You know, the thing that I think is very interesting

917
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,920
is that apparently, and again I like anybody set me

918
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,920
in the paperwork, is Turkey's got a four fied deal,

919
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,000
but it doesn't have any particulars in terms of names

920
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:31,960
for those last two fights.

921
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 2: So that's what makes me wonder. Okay, more for a.

922
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,679
Speaker 3: Later day, just two words. Okay, it's boxing.

923
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:40,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

924
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: All right, the benefit is MORELL pay per view last weekend,

925
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,880
not this past weekend, but last weekend. You were out

926
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,000
there and you've been doing some digging on how did

927
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:53,000
it do in terms of PBC on Prime pay per view?

928
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,079
And this is a larger question about should they be

929
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:58,880
putting all of these pay per views on right now anyway,

930
00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,840
including this fight?

931
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:01,559
Speaker 2: What had you learned real quick.

932
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: Well in my reporting and talking to different sources in

933
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,239
the industry and people that would have with no numbers

934
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,239
or you know thereabouts that at least in the United

935
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,239
States on all platforms meaning regular pay per view, because

936
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,320
you could still buy this fight on your television. You

937
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,239
obviously could buy it on Prime Video, you can buy

938
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,599
it on PPV dot com. You take into account all

939
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:21,960
the platforms, and it did somewhere between one hundred and

940
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,639
fifty hundred and sixty thousand buys. Now, in the older

941
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,079
days of pay per view, when it was a big

942
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:28,320
deal going strong in HBO and Showtime, we're doing a

943
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,519
lot of pay per views. That would have been a pathetic,

944
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,159
very bad number. However, in this day and age, and

945
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,840
then when you consider what they had to pay for

946
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,199
the fighters in the event, that's actually not a bad number.

947
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,480
That's actually pretty decent. I mean, here's the reality. That

948
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:43,719
would be a fight that would that five ten years

949
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,039
ago would have been a license fee fight from a

950
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,920
network like HBO or Showtime, and they would have paid

951
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,239
back in the day. You know, if they really really

952
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,239
went to the well, and I think this is probably

953
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,800
I'm probably overstating it. Maybe they'd have paid five million

954
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,519
dollars for it, but it probably would have been less.

955
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,280
The reality is doing one hundred fifty two hundred sixty

956
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,480
thousand buys when the price tag of the pay per

957
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:07,199
view was eighty bucks. They grossed over twelve million dollars

958
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,280
roughly on the fight, just on the on the pay

959
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,480
per view. That doesn't take into account international, doesn't take

960
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,639
into account ticket sales take into account. Yeah, it doesn't

961
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:18,239
take into account other form other streams of revenue, So

962
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:22,800
that's why these continue to take place. Now, that said,

963
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,679
from my understanding the way I've reported it in the past,

964
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:29,559
that number for this fight, well, I think it's actually decent.

965
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:32,400
You got to take into account the fact that although

966
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,480
Benamedia's has a certain level of notoriety and popularity, David Morrell,

967
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,320
who's a very good fighter, obviously has really no discernible

968
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,440
fan base other than a handful of folks in Minnesota

969
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,840
and you know, maybe Cuban Americans. So he did not

970
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,320
bring a lot to the table in terms of a

971
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,599
fan base. And it actually means that this pay per

972
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:51,440
view again, according to what I've reported before, a little

973
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,719
bit less actually than his other two pay per view

974
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,800
made events against Caleb Plant which was the biggest of

975
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,039
the three, and also the Dimitri's Entrede fight, remember his

976
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,519
last fight in June of last year. You can't really

977
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,840
attribute to him specifically because it was the co feature

978
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:05,679
of the Tank Davis site where they appeared on the

979
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,039
cards together. So whether that card was a big hit

980
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:10,679
or a big bust, I can't really ascribe it to Benavidez.

981
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:11,880
That's really got to go to take.

982
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: One thing it says to me is if Turkey, Ala

983
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:18,519
Chic and the Riad season want to have a Bena

984
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:22,480
Vitas undisputed shot in the United States, where better bv

985
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:25,480
and b Boll have fought before, maybe it is going

986
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:27,360
to end up being in Saudi Arabia or somewhere else.

987
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,320
But there's a market for it, and this this demonstrates

988
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,840
there is a market for it to maybe do well

989
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,400
on pay per view or do a lot better than

990
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,280
even this on pay per view. If it's an undisputed

991
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,679
shot for Benavitaz, That's what it says to me.

992
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I mean you can talk about like better

993
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,039
Vivan Bevo, better hold on, Better Bevan Bevo as a

994
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,719
pay per view in the United States was a non entity.

995
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,840
It did nothing. It did business. It was a great fight,

996
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,199
great matchup, but for many reasons, not the least of

997
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,719
which is that the zone is not seen by a

998
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,400
lot of folks. That it was early in the.

999
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,199
Speaker 2: Morning America day, middle of the day in the US.

1000
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,199
Speaker 3: People can ditch moan about morele and benavidees a a big,

1001
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,000
much bigger price than Better b of than Vvol. That

1002
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,920
match was free on ESPN Plus if you subscribe, but

1003
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,280
the rest of the card, remember that whole anset better

1004
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,039
than buy it. But even if you take intoccount the

1005
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:14,760
rematch that's coming up on every twenty second, I guarantee you,

1006
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,440
in no uncertain terms, there is absolutely zero chance period

1007
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,360
that better B of VVO rematch couldn't even come close

1008
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,719
to doing one hundred and fifty to one hundred and

1009
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,199
sixty thousand buys, even though it's a much higher status

1010
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,480
fight just be a championship, not because it's not a

1011
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:31,119
great matchup, but because of all the things I said,

1012
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:34,360
the timing, you know, the location, the lack of promotion,

1013
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:39,760
quite frankly, and even the fact that it's much cheaper.

1014
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,760
They charged eighty dollars for Benavide's morale, if I'm not mistaken,

1015
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,880
the price point for the rematch, if I'm not mistaking

1016
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,039
TJ twenty nine dollars or something like that. Yeah, it's

1017
00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:50,760
a very affordable pay per view relatively taking. So you know,

1018
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:52,920
it's a whole different marketplace here in the United States

1019
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,920
compared But if you do Benavides against the winner of

1020
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,400
that fight for undisputed in America, it will do I

1021
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,280
believe better than one hundred and sixty thousand.

1022
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:02,679
Speaker 1: Bush absolutely will for everything and how we'll be marketed

1023
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,599
and promoted. Agree by one more nugget, and this is

1024
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,679
Queensberry is going to have a news or we released

1025
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,880
this Sunday night in the Monday, a news conference where

1026
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,360
they're going to announce a couple of more British heavyweights

1027
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:13,800
or reaction.

1028
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: What have you learned and for when? What's our timeline?

1029
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,639
Speaker 3: So Queensberry has a press conference schedule for Monday, so

1030
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,280
you might actually hear this podcast after that takes place,

1031
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,039
because it's going to be early morning American time, a

1032
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,320
little in the afternoon British time. But anyway, if you

1033
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:32,360
follow along, you know that Queensberry Promotions is moving all

1034
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,280
of its content to dizone exclusively when they're beginning in April.

1035
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,239
So they are going to announce the first card that

1036
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,079
they're doing. They may even announce one or two others,

1037
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:44,280
but certainly the first one. But the first one in

1038
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,280
April will be a heavyweight fight between Joe Joyce, who

1039
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,480
is a Queensberry fighter, against Dillian White, and that you know,

1040
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:52,920
for a British fans, asks obviously a pretty interesting matchup.

1041
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,159
And we'll see how that goes. Now, Joe Joyce is

1042
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:57,880
opposed to I don't know if they're going to pull

1043
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,440
him out of the fighting's schedule for some other fight

1044
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,360
on June, I mean on March first. We'll see if

1045
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,280
he actually goes through with that in an eight rounder

1046
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,280
that's on one of these Frank Warren cards and then

1047
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,920
goes into the fight that's going to be sometime in

1048
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,119
mid April, but anyway, that's the fight they're looking to do.

1049
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,920
They're gonna announce another heavyweight fight, which is this is

1050
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,519
actually sort of interesting. You've got the former Cruiserweight and

1051
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:18,400
bridgerweight title holder, Lawrence o'coley, who's now with Queensberry Promotions.

1052
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,400
He has had his heavyweight debut. He's gonna have another

1053
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,559
heavyweight fight and he's going to take on Richard Ria Kapore,

1054
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:27,679
who was a cruiserweight who had the title fight against

1055
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,639
Chris bill and Smith and lost that fight, but was

1056
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,280
that was his first defeat. So they're gonna square off

1057
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,920
in a heavyweight fight also, and look, Frank and Queen's

1058
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,280
branding a lot of heavyweights are trying to mix and

1059
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,880
match and get these guys going, and you know that

1060
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,320
will be that would be one of the other fights

1061
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,400
on this card now one of the fights that will

1062
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,239
not be on this car unless something dramatic happens in

1063
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,280
the coming days. There's been a lot of rumors that

1064
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,360
will be the outstanding prospect Moses Atama, who I picked

1065
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,039
and others picked as the prospect of the year for

1066
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,159
twenty twenty four. There's been lots of rumor that he

1067
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:54,840
would fight on this card against the former IBF heavyweight

1068
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,559
title holder, Charles Martin, which would be a quantum step

1069
00:45:57,679 --> 00:45:59,679
up in competition for Moses in Tama. It is my

1070
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,519
under saying that although they would, there is some discussion

1071
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:04,400
maybe that fight will happen. I know for a fact

1072
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,840
that that the Charles Martin people want that fight, but

1073
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,760
it will not be on this April card. We'll see

1074
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,159
what else say put on it. But it's supposed to

1075
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:14,760
be Joe Joyce against against Delian White and the and

1076
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,840
the former cruiserweights Laurence o'coley against Richard Riacopore on this card.

1077
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,000
So that's you know, you like heavyweights. That's a fun show, all.

1078
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: Right, So there you go for that announcement, all right.

1079
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,800
One last thing before we are done, and that is nostalgia.

1080
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,440
It was thirty four years ago tonight, on Sunday, February ninth,

1081
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:35,880
nineteen ninety one, the terrible Terry Norris knocked off the

1082
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:39,400
legend h our guy you and me Rapield Sugar, Ray

1083
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,840
Leonard and Norris retained the WBC middleweight title. Leonard had

1084
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:50,280
come out of retirement here and fought this one his

1085
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,360
only appearance actually at Madison Square Garden.

1086
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 4: How about that.

1087
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: But he got whipped up on thirty four years ago tonight.

1088
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,800
It's not one of the fond memories you and I

1089
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,559
have been over many times in the past about Ray Leonard.

1090
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:03,119
Speaker 2: This one was not. Norris was just younger, stronger, and

1091
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:04,199
better that night.

1092
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,559
Speaker 3: And listen, Terry became a Hall of Famer also on

1093
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:08,639
you know, part of what his legacy is began really

1094
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,920
with the fight like this. If you remember, prior to

1095
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,159
this fight, Leonard hadn't fought for fourteen months and he

1096
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,880
was coming off of the fight that is, unfortunately, the

1097
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,840
worst fight of the entire Four Kings group of fights.

1098
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,599
That was the third fight against Roberto Duran that was

1099
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:27,840
absolutely horrendous and he ended up retiring and then he

1100
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,800
decided to come out of retirement. And he did the

1101
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,360
match against Terry Norrisey challenged for Terry's WBC one hundred

1102
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,840
and fifty four pounds title. As you mentioned, it was

1103
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,920
his only ever appearance as a professional at Madison Square Garden.

1104
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:42,239
It was really only his only professional fight in New

1105
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,599
York City, regardless of venue. He had fought in upstate

1106
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:46,599
New York, but never in New York City other than

1107
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:50,360
this bout he also made his only ever was very

1108
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,679
very associated with HBO for many years, but this was

1109
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,039
his only ever appearance on Showtime. And you know, it

1110
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:57,760
was just a bad night. I mean, he was an

1111
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,159
old guy at that point. He retired numerous times, and

1112
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,079
Terry Norris was young and strong and you know, not

1113
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:04,800
even in his prime yet. He scored two knock against

1114
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,800
end up winning a very clear decision one nineteen to

1115
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,440
one oh three, one twenty one o four and one

1116
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:11,480
sixteen to one ten, which was probably pretty generous. And

1117
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:13,639
he asked me and like you said, kind of a

1118
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,800
sad thing. And really when he when he finished with

1119
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,079
this fight, he retired again. And then I figured for

1120
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:20,320
this would definitely be his last fight, and he made

1121
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,039
yet another insane decision to come out of retirement in

1122
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:25,800
nineteen ninety seven, like six years later for the very

1123
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,639
very ill fated UH performance against Hector Camacho that was

1124
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,400
just sort of like a terrible decision also. But you know,

1125
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:36,480
those losses they don't taint his legacy because of the

1126
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,119
greatness that I had with all the big wins that

1127
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:38,440
he had.

1128
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:39,119
Speaker 4: Uh.

1129
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 3: You know, they even drew on that big of a

1130
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,440
crowd in the guard for this fight. They they drew

1131
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:44,679
less than eight thousand people for this fight against Terry Norris,

1132
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,480
who was at that time. You know, he was a

1133
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:48,239
hell of a fighter, but he was not that well known.

1134
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,360
He was more loan on the West coast, being a

1135
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,960
guy from California. Just a very bad situation. I will

1136
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,519
tell you this though, TJ. Back in the day, this

1137
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,719
is thirteen fourteen years ago, when I was doing the

1138
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,840
boxing commentary for the cable network Epics. I worked as

1139
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,199
the analyst and Ray Leonard was my partner on many

1140
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:10,400
of those shows as the other NLS are Blowed by blow.

1141
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,840
Guy was respect the great NBC sportscaster from New York City,

1142
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:16,519
and I remember sitting with Ray in one of our

1143
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:19,079
green rooms or whatever before our broadcast. I don't remember

1144
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:21,280
how the topic came up, But we were talking about

1145
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,239
the end of Ray's career. Now, he had been very

1146
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,920
closely associated with HBO, as you know, he was not

1147
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:28,960
only a star on their shows as a fighter, but

1148
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:31,360
became their ringside analyst for many, many years. He did

1149
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:34,039
tons of huge fights for HBO, working with Barry Tompkins

1150
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:37,480
and then later with Larry Merchant and Jim Lampley, etc.

1151
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,360
We talked about this fight in particular, they tried to

1152
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,360
sell this to HBO. HBO didn't want any part of it,

1153
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,480
and so when he ended up taking this to showtime

1154
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,480
without HBO being aware that they were doing that, he

1155
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:51,320
got fired from his job as a commentator because he

1156
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,119
was basically going to the going to the enemy. And

1157
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:57,760
in the conversation that Ray and I had a he

1158
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,760
regretted that because it cost him a great gig with

1159
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,719
h you know, and me, he certainly regretted taking the

1160
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,079
fight against uh against Terry Norris. He said to me unequivocally,

1161
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,639
you know, look, you'll live and learn, but I probably

1162
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:11,519
never fought this fight against Terry Norris. And I'm sure

1163
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:14,519
I shouldn't have fought the fight against Hector Camacho, but

1164
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:15,760
UH it happened.

1165
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: If that's that commonly referred to as the double whammy

1166
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:21,079
on that losing the gig and again you and I

1167
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,159
are big sugar Ray Leonard. Guys, this was uh, this

1168
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,199
was a case of him hanging on too long and

1169
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,599
certainly come out comatcha way way past and trying to

1170
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:32,119
fight that fight the Norris.

1171
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: When I was kind of understandable he had just beaten Duran,

1172
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,079
even though it was a horrible fight, but he was

1173
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,480
going down and wait again to try to fight Norris.

1174
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:42,599
And there's a dar scene fighting archaic Roberto Duran and

1175
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,360
fighting a young and strong and coming into his own

1176
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:46,000
Terry Norris.

1177
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:46,639
Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I'd say the reason I told you

1179
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that story about it is that I always gave a

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Ray credit for at least like being.

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Speaker 4: Honest with me.

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00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 3: We were having that conversation, We're just shooting the shit.

1183
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,880
We're hanging out before the show and talking boxing, and

1184
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,199
you know, he admitted he looked at im. They had

1185
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:02,719
a bad call. I came out of retirement. I thought

1186
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,440
I could still do it. I learned my lesson. I mean,

1187
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:06,639
that's not paraphrasing, but you know when he's on the

1188
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:09,400
floor twice Terry Norrison is out of a puncher. But

1189
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look Ray Norris, I mean Ray Letard in his best days.

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Speaker 4: In his life.

1191
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 3: Absolutely he annihilates Terry Norris.

1192
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: Well, that fight's nineteen eighty one. It ain't the same fight.

1193
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: There is no ray Letard knocks it out inside five

1194
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:25,679
or six rounds because Terry was hit able and did

1195
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,440
not have a great chin, and Ray had a lot

1196
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,559
of punching power. Whether they fought of that, what fifty

1197
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:30,599
four or wherever he fought of that.

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Speaker 2: Love it and we're well aware.

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00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: I cannot believe I'm going to say it that it

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00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,920
was thirty five years ago. Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson

1201
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on February the tenth in the United States February the

1202
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,039
eleventh in Tokyo, nineteen ninety. But you and I have

1203
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:48,199
discussed this many times on these pods and the magnitude

1204
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:50,280
of the upset, so we didn't do it on this pod,

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but we're well aware that this is the thirties.

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Speaker 3: Should one of our past discussions, Yes, search.

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Speaker 1: Hey, search this feed to your point and just put

1208
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Buster Douglas Mike Tyson on the feed. It'll come up

1209
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,440
in one of the pods where we discussed it and

1210
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:04,719
boom goes the dynamite.

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Speaker 3: You would have to discuss it every year.

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Speaker 1: Hey, it doesn't become any It doesn't become any less

1213
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:13,519
significant as we go on. It doesn't become any less

1214
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:16,599
dramatic and crazy. We've just been over it a few times,

1215
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:18,639
and I you know what, I'm probably going to watch

1216
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,480
Douglas Tyson again over the course of the next couple

1217
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,800
of days, just to relive the magnitude of everything that

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00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:26,320
went on there.

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00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,159
Speaker 3: We had never discussed the ill fated Ray Leonard return

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00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:30,639
against her.

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00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,599
Speaker 1: To my recollection on that, and we should not discuss

1222
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:35,039
it very much in the future because you and I

1223
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:37,360
love Ray Leonard too much. Hey, listen, thank you for

1224
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,840
playing hurt. Great job making it through. Good interview once again,

1225
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,119
up to, up to date and current with Joseph Parker

1226
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,360
coming up for that fight with Daniel Dubois. You heard

1227
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,800
from him on the pod again. Keishawn Davis back on

1228
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,679
the previous podcast as well. Go here from him, follow, subscribe,

1229
00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:57,639
Apple Spreaker, Spotify, Dan feel better?

1230
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: Did some rest feel better?

1231
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Speaker 1: Keishawn dam is going for the lightweight title against Dennis Paranchic.

1232
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We'll preview that later on in the week. Going to

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be a big finish to the month of February for sure,

1234
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:10,280
my friend, feel better.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon. Good stuff here on the

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recap pot.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: There is Dan Rayfield. I am merely TJ. Reeves Final

1239
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subscribe Apples Preaker, Spotify. For now, we are good on

1240
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