Speaker 1: Oh, bed of fir No, bed of that, And welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. This is the Cult of Conspiracy. And
Speaker 1: my name's Jonathan. I'm Jacob. Jacob. Are we talking about
Speaker 1: she Man he Man? You know, Big Mike situation over
Speaker 1: in France.
Speaker 2: Lots of controversy going on with old Brigitte slash John
Speaker 2: Jean Cantrell trog No, where the fuck there's a lot
Speaker 2: of controversy around this person.
Speaker 1: His name is Jamal. Let's just be real. That is
Speaker 1: a pasty ash Jamal brother. But who knows? Who knows?
Speaker 2: And again we've talked about it at a time or two,
Speaker 2: the whole even the official narrative of what took place.
Speaker 2: She was thirty nine, allegedly married with kids when she
Speaker 2: met a fourteen year old Manuel and they started their relationship,
Speaker 2: or as a old Jada Smith would say.
Speaker 1: Their entanglement.
Speaker 2: Either even that alone is pedophilic in nature and ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But it reminds me of like the Fifty Shades of
Speaker 1: Gray Dude, how he was kind of in the beginning,
Speaker 1: like his his dominator or whatever was getting to him
Speaker 1: at a young age.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, it's it's very disgusting and fifty Shades is
Speaker 2: just a horrible sagas. It's actually pretty fucking horribly written
Speaker 2: and disgusting. The only reason why that got famous is
Speaker 2: because he was a rich billionaire. If he lived in
Speaker 2: a single wide, it would have been a true crimes case.
Speaker 1: But whatever. Oh yeah, dude, people are blinded by the
Speaker 1: chet of cheese. That's all.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 2: And also most of the people on book talk that
Speaker 2: are into that kind of shit, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 2: take a your side, tangent. I feel like a lot
Speaker 2: of these women that are like super into the crazy
Speaker 2: book talk fantasy, super smut, literature, literotica, whatever the fuck
Speaker 2: you want to call it, super don't understand how.
Speaker 3: That's not as attractive as they think, Like.
Speaker 2: Oh, he he pinned me to the wall and picked
Speaker 2: me up by my neck and told me that I
Speaker 2: was his yo.
Speaker 1: On some real shit.
Speaker 2: You have a man that pinned you to a wall,
Speaker 2: is squeezing on your windpipe and picks you up and
Speaker 2: then tells you some shit like that.
Speaker 1: That's not like comfortable. I've heard I'm gonna get turned
Speaker 1: on by that. I've heard of restraining orders that required
Speaker 1: a lot less.
Speaker 2: A whole lot less, dude, I've heard restraining wars get
Speaker 2: used for words. It not even physical action, but some
Speaker 2: random guy doing this like, oh my god, that's so hot.
Speaker 1: No, you know what. This is actually what we were
Speaker 1: talking about the other day about like why people love
Speaker 1: horror films. It's like, namely women who love horror films
Speaker 1: and horror stories and all of the different horror podcasts
Speaker 1: and true crime and all that kind of stuff. It's scary,
Speaker 1: yet it's fringy because they're behind the comfort of a
Speaker 1: book or they're behind the comfort of a phone. These
Speaker 1: are like the shit posters if you think about it,
Speaker 1: Like the worst of these people are the shit posters
Speaker 1: on social media, the ones that will, you know, talk
Speaker 1: a bunch of shit about me or about you, or
Speaker 1: about anybody else, and nobody like. And that's the problem
Speaker 1: with social media is you can talk a bunch of
Speaker 1: shit and you never got to worry about getting hit
Speaker 1: in the face, you know what I mean, Like nobody's
Speaker 1: ever gonna find you. Most people got burner accounts. And
Speaker 1: it's the same thing is like they get a rush
Speaker 1: even though there's no face to what their words are saying,
Speaker 1: and the same thing goes. It's like you get on
Speaker 1: a roller coaster. You know you're safe. It's just a
Speaker 1: thrill of oh my god, you know, like this is
Speaker 1: going really fast. It's a couple loop do loops. And
Speaker 1: so I think that most people in their mind, they
Speaker 1: like the idea of the fear as a fun But
Speaker 1: in that moment, I'm not saying that, you know, BDSM
Speaker 1: isn't for everybody there. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people that are into that shit, right, sure, but I
Speaker 1: think for the most part most people just fantasize, and
Speaker 1: that to see this is where it gets into that
Speaker 1: slippery slope.
Speaker 3: Right, fantasy is.
Speaker 2: Fine, okay, as long as it's of consenting adults, even
Speaker 2: in your fantasy.
Speaker 1: Right, let's keep it legit here.
Speaker 2: But that being said, it's the same there are Now
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that all women that read literotica are
Speaker 2: doing this the same way that I don't believe all
Speaker 2: guys that.
Speaker 1: Watch porn are doing this. But bear with me here.
Speaker 2: There are women who are starting to look at their
Speaker 2: partners and at their spouses in a different light because
Speaker 2: they are not the same type of character arc as
Speaker 2: these figures in this literal right, well, you've never choked
Speaker 2: me against the wall and done this, this, this and this,
Speaker 2: and then they try it and it's like, well, shit,
Speaker 2: now that that wasn't fun. Now that was borderline abusive.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I saw the look in your eye
Speaker 2: like you have some weird shit with you, and it's like, bitch,
Speaker 2: you're the one that asked me to do this?
Speaker 3: What the fuck? Cut to same thing other side of
Speaker 3: the coin.
Speaker 2: You got these guys that are addicted to porn, right,
Speaker 2: and then they're all like, well, why don't you ever
Speaker 2: do this and this? Like these porn stars do all
Speaker 2: this shit. Then she tries it one day. Then you're
Speaker 2: looking at her kind of weird, like, you know, I
Speaker 2: thought you were a different person. I saw this weird thing, like,
Speaker 2: are you actually like borderline a slut?
Speaker 1: Like are you looking to cheat on me because of this?
Speaker 2: It's a it's a fucking slippery slope and it's not
Speaker 2: a one hundred percent rule by any means.
Speaker 1: I thought you were innocent. Why are you eating my ass?
Speaker 1: Kind of situation?
Speaker 2: You know, you know, And again I'm not judging anybody.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is that there is a wave, there's
Speaker 2: a movement, there is a spiritual shift if you will
Speaker 2: that is going on in the culture. Males, it might
Speaker 2: be more of the pornography realm. Women, it's more of
Speaker 2: the literotica realm and I feel like both of which
Speaker 2: not a rule. It doesn't have to lead to unrealistic
Speaker 2: expectations for your partners, but a lot of people are
Speaker 2: letting it actually affect their relationships because now they're putting
Speaker 2: these unrealistic fantasy expectations on their actual, real life partners,
Speaker 2: and it's it can be dangerous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, you know, with that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: especially if you're a couple, and don't look to me
Speaker 1: for advice because I suck at being a couple and
Speaker 1: I suck at all the relationship shit. But just outside
Speaker 1: looking in kind of playing you know, Monday morning quarterback.
Speaker 1: You have to grow together in just about every way,
Speaker 1: you know, like if you're it's starting to get into
Speaker 1: something that goes beyond the bounds of what you guys have,
Speaker 1: you know, like put yourself in front of or tried together.
Speaker 1: Like that's whenever the split almost starts to happen, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like now you're forming different timelines and now doctor
Speaker 1: Strange is trying to show you, look, this is right
Speaker 1: where the timeline split and that person stayed on this
Speaker 1: path and you veered off here, and like usually it's
Speaker 1: it's pretty simple to see where it started.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I could fuck my first divorce. That was,
Speaker 2: That was all of what that was. Honestly, we just
Speaker 2: grew apart. We got married at nineteen. We had no
Speaker 2: business getting married that young. We didn't even know who
Speaker 2: we were as individuals, let alone who we were supposed
Speaker 2: to be as a couple, and it just it devolved
Speaker 2: very quickly, and you could pinpoint it back to a
Speaker 2: couple of key spots where some shit went sideways that
Speaker 2: shouldn't have And no, no, I don't mean, you know,
Speaker 2: infidelity or abuse or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that.
Speaker 2: But it's like little stuff that got blown molehills literally
Speaker 2: got turned into mountains that shouldn't have even been seen
Speaker 2: as a mole hill. It should have been seen as
Speaker 2: like a little footnote. And we just move on with
Speaker 2: our lives. And that was from both sides, like one
Speaker 2: hundred percent. We were children, you know, and it.
Speaker 1: Just and that's why it's so important to know thyself,
Speaker 1: you know, because if you if you already are aware
Speaker 1: of who you are, and what may peque your interest
Speaker 1: and what are what already are your interests. Then you're
Speaker 1: going to be able to catch yourself in that moment
Speaker 1: that that split may be happening, and then you'll be
Speaker 1: able to say, Okay, this is probably something that I
Speaker 1: should include my significant other rent otherwise, I know me,
Speaker 1: I know my mind. I know what it's gonna do
Speaker 1: with this kind of information. It could cause us to
Speaker 1: put a little space in between each other. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's funny that we're talking about all this BDSM shit
Speaker 1: whenever we're talking about Brigitte Macrone.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was gonna say, talking about knowing thyself,
Speaker 2: Let's talk about somebody that I still don't know if
Speaker 2: this human being knows who the fuck they even are
Speaker 2: or to what gender they were assigned at birth.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of controversy surrounding this, and more and
Speaker 2: more of it is coming through to fruition.
Speaker 1: They are suing Candice Ellens. Now everybody has heard.
Speaker 2: Me speak on old seed O for the past couple
Speaker 2: of weeks and months. I at one time was a
Speaker 2: massive fan of her, and I still in some regard
Speaker 2: am a fan of hers, but I also feel like
Speaker 2: she is going through a grieving process and she is
Speaker 2: slowly losing her grip on reality.
Speaker 1: Now that I disagree him, by the way, just so
Speaker 1: that I just want everybody to know, that's not a
Speaker 1: cult of conspiracy view. That is a Jacob view.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's one hundred percent of job view. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that that ties in with Brigitte Macrone. That
Speaker 2: solely ties into the Charlie Kirk thing, which is a
Speaker 2: whole other conversation that we're not getting into on this episode. Okay, However,
Speaker 2: speaking on the Brigitte Macrone situation and all of the
Speaker 2: things that she has brought up has led her to
Speaker 2: being sued in Delaware by the Macrones, And at one
Speaker 2: point in time, she was saying that, well, they're not
Speaker 2: suing me for this claim, even though if you look
Speaker 2: at the paperwork, that's exactly what they're suing her for,
Speaker 2: and it looked like they were gearing up for a
Speaker 2: real fight. They have hired the best defamation lawyer money
Speaker 2: come buy in the United States. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 2: him in specific and some of the other cases from
Speaker 2: the past that you probably have heard of, but you
Speaker 2: may not have known.
Speaker 1: That his name was attached to it.
Speaker 2: Then there's a new report saying that Brigi its tax
Speaker 2: records are showing that she has been listed as a
Speaker 2: man for years, and that if that's not true, if
Speaker 2: that's false, because there's some people that are saying that
Speaker 2: was hackers that change this and it's not true, But
Speaker 2: then why is there no one being brought to justice?
Speaker 2: Then you find out that there are in fact ten
Speaker 2: people that are being that got arrested for this, for
Speaker 2: hacking her account. It's wild things. There's controversy on top
Speaker 2: of controversy. As of this moment, as of time of recording,
Speaker 2: we're gonna be breaking it all down with as much
Speaker 2: current information as I could get my hands on.
Speaker 3: So and it's just not straight.
Speaker 1: And with all of this defamation lawsuit kind of going
Speaker 1: on out there, I do want to make it known
Speaker 1: for both Jacob and I that we both value our
Speaker 1: lives and we did not kill ourselves if it comes
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 2: And if somebody did kill me, Gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 2: it's probably China stung it out. Any France or anybody
Speaker 2: France has no beef with me, But I know probably
Speaker 2: feel some type of way if like if I was
Speaker 2: to be found dead and quote unquote rule a suicide.
Speaker 1: Or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Just me with all of where I've been for the
Speaker 2: past few years, as far as like standpoints and on
Speaker 2: the mic and the shit that I've said, it was
Speaker 2: more than likely China.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Well, I'm saying after this episode
Speaker 1: that might change.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe I don't know. I got homies in France.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you're right. Maybe they're gonna fucking come over
Speaker 2: here and uh and get me for talking about their
Speaker 2: first man lady.
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know, who knows.
Speaker 3: We'll see how.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's gonna be to homies, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be the man ladies people. Oh God, the trainees
Speaker 1: are coming after me.
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus Nah, that's a sentence I never thought i'd
Speaker 2: say out loud.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. Twenty twenty five was a weird year. Good
Speaker 1: cult members.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and share the screen
Speaker 2: at this time and we are gonna dive straight into
Speaker 2: all the things.
Speaker 3: The first article goes back to September.
Speaker 2: We're gonna bounce around in the months leading up to
Speaker 2: where we are right now, then we're gonna talk about
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Speaker 1: record and just got done with that bad boy last night,
Speaker 1: and as usual, it was a little unhinged. But I
Speaker 1: mean that's the conspiracy crowd in general. We're all a
Speaker 1: little unhinged. We're not normal. It's time to just accept
Speaker 1: it and wear it as a badge of honor. We're
Speaker 1: not normal. We don't try to be normal. We don't
Speaker 1: try and put off like we're normal. It is something
Speaker 1: that you step into and you become. It's not something
Speaker 1: that you hide in a closet like Brigitte and say
Speaker 1: I'm not this and I'm actually that. No, it's nothing
Speaker 1: like that. You let your freak flag fly dude all
Speaker 1: day long. You it's a beautiful thing to take a
Speaker 1: take with you. But that being said, if you want,
Speaker 1: you can sign up for an entire free week and
Speaker 1: just to test your test the water. Dip your toe
Speaker 1: in there, see if it's warm. It is, I promise you,
Speaker 1: I've been in here for like five and a half years.
Speaker 1: It's pretty warm. I didn't even pay in it. It's
Speaker 1: actually really nice. And then if you decide that you
Speaker 1: really love it after that first week, then you can
Speaker 1: sign up for the whole year. And the benefit about
Speaker 1: that is is that you actually get three months off.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the promo that's going on right now.
Speaker 1: So if you want to sign up for the whole year,
Speaker 1: you get three months off, you only pay for nine months.
Speaker 1: What a deal. I mean, we're basically we're providing more
Speaker 1: value than the dollar seventy five tree right now. Okay, oh,
Speaker 1: I just want to throw that out there.
Speaker 2: All right, So all that being said, talking about letting
Speaker 2: your freak flag fly, you know, it's crazy. Honestly, I
Speaker 2: think that if Brigitte would have came out about this
Speaker 2: way earlier, it would have just been fine. Like, France
Speaker 2: is very open, they are very liberal as a culture
Speaker 2: and as a society. That probably would have helped Manual
Speaker 2: get elected sooner. Honestly, to say that you would have
Speaker 2: had the first transgender first lady.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the French people would have jumped all
Speaker 3: over that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Certain sections of France are very traditional and very old fashioned,
Speaker 2: not very highly populated places. That makes the elections happen.
Speaker 1: Tell me you have, tell me you have the picture
Speaker 1: of Brigitte as a man. I don't. I I haven't. Okay,
Speaker 1: yes I do. And once you see it, there's no
Speaker 1: unseeing it. Like I'm looking at her face right now
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, because at first I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I was like, I might be a man, but you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Michelle Obama was more obvious to me. Maybe because of
Speaker 1: Michelle or Mike's stature. I mean could literally donk go
Speaker 1: on everybody. This Brigitte is not like a large individual,
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, but I mean, hey, whatever, she's
Speaker 1: a lady boy so or I have.
Speaker 2: Seen a picture of her when she was from what
Speaker 2: I could tell, it's like when she was a kid
Speaker 2: in school, and it's like a black and white photo
Speaker 2: where she's almost dressed like a nun or something. I
Speaker 2: guess she went to like a traditional Catholic school. Bro,
Speaker 2: this could have been any girl. It doesn't look like
Speaker 2: Brigitte now Granted, I understand we were talking about something
Speaker 2: fucking fifty years after the fact, and people's faces change
Speaker 2: with time.
Speaker 1: I understand that.
Speaker 2: But this there's no like defining feature where it's like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, no, that's totally her as a kid. I
Speaker 2: cannot see it with the young young picture that I saw.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, yeah, it's uh, it's quite disturbing. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to look for it. Oh, hold on, hold the phone, sir,
Speaker 1: I think I have it. Hold on, let me make
Speaker 1: sure I got the post right. Okay, okay, So this
Speaker 1: is so strange, and there's been other pictures too, but
Speaker 1: this is just the one that I was able to
Speaker 1: quickly find. Shout out to poly Market for putting this
Speaker 1: one up there. But it, says French journalist Natasha Ray,
Speaker 1: who claimed that Macrone's wife was born a male, was
Speaker 1: acquitted by a Paris account or a Paris court. According
Speaker 1: to their lawyer, Ray intends to sue Brigitte Macrone for fraud.
Speaker 1: And if you can see it right here, you know,
Speaker 1: and you have to imagine, I mean, Brigitte is an
Speaker 1: older broad right like, and so it's gonna be one
Speaker 1: of these older pictures. But there are a few details
Speaker 1: that you can really hone in to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see where it's at a couple of them. Check
Speaker 1: out this this little dimple raid here underneath the lip.
Speaker 1: You'll see that same kind of thing going on over here.
Speaker 1: The same little bump underneath the lip right here underneath
Speaker 1: the bottom lip. You still see it Ray here right.
Speaker 2: And same nose, same brow lines, same five head, I mean, forehead,
Speaker 2: same eyes, same eyes. Now, yeah, the neck is a
Speaker 2: little thinner and all these things, but I mean that
Speaker 2: happens with hormone treatments when it comes with old age too,
Speaker 2: it does. Indeed, muscular degeneration is a thing.
Speaker 1: So you can see this head under this wig, right,
Speaker 1: if that's a wig.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then if you look at the Natasha Ray,
Speaker 2: who was the first or one of the first, acclaimed
Speaker 2: that Macrone's wife is born a male, she was in
Speaker 2: fact acquitted by a Paris court. And their quote unquote
Speaker 2: reason for this was because it was like a false
Speaker 2: trial or something like that. It was basically loophole to
Speaker 2: where they never had to go and say, ah, you
Speaker 2: lied about the first lady, you're a bad person. Basically,
Speaker 2: the judge fumbled the ball and was like or the magistrate,
Speaker 2: I think they call it in France, and basically it
Speaker 2: was like, oh, oopsie, daisy, it's a mistrial. Everybody go home,
Speaker 2: nothing to see here, and it was just kind of
Speaker 2: pushed under the rug. So they never actually had to
Speaker 2: claim one way or another if she was telling truths
Speaker 2: or falsehoods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it says. France's first Lady. Brigitte Macrone is
Speaker 1: once again at the center of controversy after report service
Speaker 1: that her name appeared as Jean Michel in official tax records,
Speaker 1: reviving an old rumor that has circulated online for years.
Speaker 1: The claim quickly spread across social media, fueling renewed debate
Speaker 1: over its origin and credibility. Authorities have described the incident
Speaker 1: as a possible case of data manipulation, of course, or hacking,
Speaker 1: though details were made unclear. Meanwhile, Brigitte Macrone has taken
Speaker 1: legal action against several individuals involving the spreading of the story,
Speaker 1: turning what began as an internet rumor into an ongoing
Speaker 1: court room battle. This is why it's important to have
Speaker 1: these kind of conversations, you know, because if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for this shit spreading like fucking wildfire all over social
Speaker 1: media would it be coming to this point.
Speaker 2: And also, okay, looking at the video on screen for
Speaker 2: anybody who hasn't seen the uh the Brigitte smushing in
Speaker 2: the face of Manuel macrone bro look at the size
Speaker 2: of the fucking paws on that chick. So look, it's
Speaker 2: it's like cuked under his chin. And the fingers are
Speaker 2: long enough to where they're damn near going up his
Speaker 2: nose and touching his eyeball like that. That is, and
Speaker 2: that's after he turned. When you look at initially, they're
Speaker 2: like halfway up his nose. Those are some fucking man hands, dude.
Speaker 1: By the way, I do want to throw it out
Speaker 1: there that they're obviously and and even from my point
Speaker 1: of view, there there is dark magic, and there's dark
Speaker 1: dark occult and there's stuff that I'll never touch. You know,
Speaker 1: I might learn about it, but obviously I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: do it, right, I just peque an interest in how
Speaker 1: it's being done. If you notice, there's a lot and
Speaker 1: and and I'm not sure to say that this is
Speaker 1: the case for all transgenders, but for all transgenders of
Speaker 1: that kind of higher peak out there, the ones that
Speaker 1: are ruling the world or the ones that are rolling
Speaker 1: these these large companies or these large countries or anything
Speaker 1: like that. You'll see that they they are literally trying
Speaker 1: to embody the bapha Met, right, Like, I think that
Speaker 1: that's actually what's going on. And now I've looked in
Speaker 1: pretty heavily into the Bapha Met and the idea, the
Speaker 1: esoteric understanding about the Bapha Met is just that you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be, you know, uh, like fifty percent male
Speaker 1: fifty percent female in spirit, Like it's you're supposed to
Speaker 1: like because whenever you're a spirit, you're not necessarily a
Speaker 1: fucking sex You don't. You're not carrying around a Wiener
Speaker 1: or a box or anything like that. It is literally,
Speaker 1: you're just a fucking ind of it. Like look at
Speaker 1: yourself as a ghost basically, right, And if you're that,
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be taking it literally. And I
Speaker 1: think that some people, through their cult rituals, are trying
Speaker 1: to embody it so much that they do take it literally.
Speaker 1: And this these are the people that are like the
Speaker 1: the psychos, right. These are your Aleister Crowley's, these are
Speaker 1: your Brigitte Macrons, these are your Michelle Obamas. The ones
Speaker 1: that will do anything at all if they if they
Speaker 1: think that it's going to help them get to a
Speaker 1: certain rank of power, they're Look, are you saying that
Speaker 1: I just got to slap some tits on my chest
Speaker 1: and call me my Michelle instead of mic All right, hey,
Speaker 1: I'll do it right. Some people are just willing to
Speaker 1: sell literally more than their soul but their body, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that that's really what's going on here.
Speaker 1: You think of the Baphomet, it as the two fingers
Speaker 1: up the two fingers down. It has like the the
Speaker 1: body of a man, but it has the tits it
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to just show like that that you're
Speaker 1: you're both male and female or you're neither, like you've
Speaker 1: transcended the idea of male or female. And that's really
Speaker 1: the occult, the occult idea behind that whole thing. But
Speaker 1: like I was saying, I think that that's what Brigitte
Speaker 1: is doing here like this. That's the problem whenever people
Speaker 1: take shit literally like that, then it starts getting weird.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean even still, I don't know Manuel's background
Speaker 2: as far as like, cause again, they met when he
Speaker 2: was fourteen, allegedly according to the narrative. Now a lot
Speaker 2: of people would say this is actually his uncle, slash brother,
Speaker 2: slash something along these lines. I don't think that's his brother. Okay,
Speaker 2: the ages do not line up to where this could
Speaker 2: be his brother. Now, if you were to say this
Speaker 2: is his estranged uncle whose last name was trogno oh, Jean.
Speaker 3: Michelle or whatever the fuck?
Speaker 2: Okay, possibly, but even still, if this arrangement, if their
Speaker 2: relationship of a physical nature and all this started when
Speaker 2: he was fourteen, I don't know this for a fact,
Speaker 2: but it'd be a very hard ask to have somebody
Speaker 2: be like that guy, that guy is gonna be a
Speaker 2: world leader in about thirty years, and then this person
Speaker 2: who's embodying the bat fro met physically or whatever the case.
Speaker 2: It'd be like, all right, time to make my move.
Speaker 1: Now. I'm not saying that that's never been happened.
Speaker 2: We do know that people are select and not elected,
Speaker 2: and I'm taking that all with a grain of salt.
Speaker 3: But even if you were to say that maybe they
Speaker 3: like started this.
Speaker 2: When he was in college and it was obvious that
Speaker 2: he was rubbing elbows with the right people and getting
Speaker 2: in with the right clicks and all the Okay, maybe fourteen,
Speaker 2: that is a crazy shot call if you will.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not saying it's impossible.
Speaker 2: I find it a little more of the improbability, that's all.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Elon must nanny knew knew it from
Speaker 1: whenever Elon was a wee little one.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And I'm still not convinced that he's actually
Speaker 2: gonna be the one to usher in the Antichrist. I
Speaker 2: get the talking point, And I'm not saying that it's impossible.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know that. And also, you got
Speaker 1: to think about it like this, dude, this is not
Speaker 1: just a guessing that this is going to be an
Speaker 1: Antichrist situation. This is and a lot I'm not the
Speaker 1: first person to say this, this is a bloodline situation.
Speaker 1: Like these people are propped up because they carry the
Speaker 1: lineage of the past rulers and they carry the the
Speaker 1: like they literally believe that their blood is so divine
Speaker 1: that no matter what this person and is going to
Speaker 1: turn out to be a king, a president, a queen
Speaker 1: or whatever, right like it is a it is a
Speaker 1: fucking bloodline. And so and that's my problem with a
Speaker 1: lot of this is that they take esoteric knowledge and
Speaker 1: they try and physicalize it. And that's literally the opposite
Speaker 1: of esotericism, like the esoteric knowledge, whether it's the fucking Kabbalah,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, whatever kind of mysticism you look into. Esoterically,
Speaker 1: the idea is is that it is meant for inner understanding.
Speaker 1: It's not outer right like, and so people are taking
Speaker 1: esoteric knowledge and applying it to the exoteric. There's a
Speaker 1: there's a literal reason, like the idea of exotericism is
Speaker 1: outer world, outer shit. And so whenever they're dressing up
Speaker 1: like fucking cross dressers and they're throwing tits on their
Speaker 1: chest like pretending to be what they're not. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about everybody. I'm talking about these fucks, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a bastardization of the yesoteric information. I
Speaker 1: get you, but I just looked into it. Macrone.
Speaker 2: I thought, maybe he does come from like royal lineage,
Speaker 2: maybe he's got some blue blood in him or something
Speaker 2: like that. None, the Macrone name is not a name
Speaker 2: of nobility in France. Both of his parents were doctors.
Speaker 2: He comes from upper middle class. It's not like his
Speaker 2: great great great great grandfather with some sort of a
Speaker 2: high ranking French noblemen or anything like that.
Speaker 3: At least not that I could find.
Speaker 2: So as far as the bloodlines go in these types
Speaker 2: of things, in certain cases, I absolutely see what you're
Speaker 2: talking about. I don't because the France still does have
Speaker 2: a monarch. Well it's not as well known as like
Speaker 2: the British monarch, that's for sure, but like they'd be
Speaker 2: like saying, the British Prime Minister is a part of
Speaker 2: the blue blood bloodlines like the British royal family, and
Speaker 2: the two are very different.
Speaker 1: No, I agree. But also as we're seeing with these
Speaker 1: tax reports now with fucking Jean Michel aka Brigitte, that
Speaker 1: names change all the time. The Rothschilds weren't always the
Speaker 1: roth Child's right, Like even Jade Vance that's nowhere near
Speaker 1: his real name, nowhere near like his real name, and
Speaker 1: he's changed it, I think five or six times over
Speaker 1: the course of his life, which is really strange. But
Speaker 1: his real name, his born name, his fucking birth certificate name.
Speaker 1: Talking about JD. Vance is James Donald Bowman. Now tell me,
Speaker 1: if you're trying to look up lineage and you're trying
Speaker 1: to find, well, what's Vance's lineage, you're not gonna find it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like it is so far removed,
Speaker 1: and that's why names don't even matter, Like it is
Speaker 1: your fucking DNA code structure that is more important to
Speaker 1: these people.
Speaker 2: I mean, I could see where you're going with that,
Speaker 2: for sure. I don't know if mccrone's family changed their
Speaker 2: name at some point.
Speaker 1: I mean, JD.
Speaker 2: He had a lot of issues with his family and
Speaker 2: their upbringing, the abusive nature of his like that's why
Speaker 2: his grandmother had to raise him, and shit, he didn't
Speaker 2: want to be associated with his dad's name and things like.
Speaker 1: That's what he says. I don't buy any of this shit, bro.
Speaker 3: I know the people that have done that in real life.
Speaker 2: You know what, I know personally multiple people that have
Speaker 2: changed their last names as soon as they got to
Speaker 2: adulthood because they didn't want to be associated with who
Speaker 2: their family was because of how bad they were.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I can you know I have reasons
Speaker 1: for shitting my pants. It doesn't mean that whenever I
Speaker 1: shit my pants that it's the same exact reason everybody
Speaker 1: else shits their pants.
Speaker 2: No, No, but I mean, especially his story, I get it,
Speaker 2: even if like a portion of that is true.
Speaker 3: I understand why he would want to change.
Speaker 1: His name, But five times.
Speaker 2: I don't know about the five times I knew he
Speaker 2: had changed it once, I hadn't heard about the multiple times.
Speaker 1: It has been. I don't know if it's exactly five,
Speaker 1: it's some crazy number, Like it's not two, it's not
Speaker 1: even three, it's more than that. So that's an a
Speaker 1: hard look. You want to change it more than more,
Speaker 1: like you want to change it one time. I get it, dude,
Speaker 1: I totally get it. Like I love the idea of
Speaker 1: taking my birth certificate real name, like my original last
Speaker 1: name is Temple. It sounds fucking awesome, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But yeah, obviously I'm not going to do
Speaker 1: that because my stepdad slash real dad never did me wrong,
Speaker 1: never did me dirty. I have no reason to change
Speaker 1: it right like, and it would be a slap in
Speaker 1: the face to him. So I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 1: But this whole Jdvan situation, motherfucker changed his name several times,
Speaker 1: and so I don't trust any of them. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, by the grace of God, Peter
Speaker 1: Tild just so happens to find you and vaults you
Speaker 1: up to the fucking top of the pyramid essentially.
Speaker 2: So he's changed it twice. Actually it was James Donald Bowman.
Speaker 2: Then in nineteen ninety it became James David Homel hammil
Speaker 2: That was after his mom remarried and the new husband,
Speaker 2: Bob Hamill, adopted him and he changed his last name.
Speaker 1: Then he became James David Vance.
Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, he legally changed his surname to his
Speaker 2: maternal grandmother's maiden name. So whatever its in an adoption
Speaker 2: in once as an adult, that's too many dances and
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and then like I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: Eventually you gotta find one and stick to it. Otherwise
Speaker 2: you're no better than some asking somebody to use different
Speaker 2: pronouns at that point.
Speaker 3: Shit, dude, I had a girl in high school.
Speaker 2: She changed her name that legally changed her name twice
Speaker 2: in one year.
Speaker 1: That's called a psycho, right, wouldn't you say? That's pretty psychotic.
Speaker 2: Again, it's very case by case, but in her specific case,
Speaker 2: I get it. She went from like Gibson to Carter
Speaker 2: to what was the last one, my Hudson was it?
Speaker 3: I forget, But we're.
Speaker 1: Not trying to knock anybody here. But like the idea is,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just strange. And I only brought
Speaker 1: that up because I actually think that there's probably some
Speaker 1: Gamatria magic or some I'm not even saying that it's
Speaker 1: fucking Jewish or whatever. I'm just saying numerologically, maybe there's
Speaker 1: something like that going on with JD. Vans. Like if
Speaker 1: you think about like in magic and stuff like that, like, man,
Speaker 1: they have their reasons for changing certain things, and like
Speaker 1: this guy was a fucking what was he like a
Speaker 1: computer programmer or some bullshit, And and then Peter Teal
Speaker 1: finds him and he's like, Hey, I want to prop
Speaker 1: you up to this. I want to prop you up
Speaker 1: to this. I own to prop you up to this.
Speaker 1: And now Peter Teal's talking about the Antichrist after he
Speaker 1: literally created JD. Vance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Peter tele is just a weird case in himself,
Speaker 2: separate from JD Vance, just Peter Teal in and of himself, weird, dude,
Speaker 2: Weird that he's gotten to the position that he is
Speaker 2: with the tech world, in the money world, and now
Speaker 2: him giving a series on the Antichrist. That's all very
Speaker 2: very strange in and of itself. And very off putting.
Speaker 2: Then you couple that with his association with the presidency
Speaker 2: and with JD and it's like, man, that's you can't
Speaker 2: wait too many eyebrow razors to ignore on.
Speaker 1: That you're talking about literally, like the person that taught
Speaker 1: JD Vance everything that he knows is the guy that
Speaker 1: speaks on the Antichrist, Like I don't. It just blows
Speaker 1: my mind. And then you see, have you seen the
Speaker 1: whole Trump thing where he's talking about like he used
Speaker 1: to be if you remember whenever he was running, and
Speaker 1: even whenever he was you know, his first term, he
Speaker 1: was talking about like, oh, you know, I'm people were
Speaker 1: thinking that he was convert and that he was becoming
Speaker 1: a Christian and he was becoming you know, like he
Speaker 1: felt like he was saved by the grace of God
Speaker 1: whenever that bullet nearly missed him and only nicked his
Speaker 1: ear and all these kind of things, right, And now
Speaker 1: you know, somebody asked him like Donald, I mean, do
Speaker 1: you think you're going to heaven? And He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm going to heaven. I mean there's
Speaker 1: a lot of other people that are going to heaven.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I probably am not going to heaven.
Speaker 1: And it's like, wait a second, you're kind of changing
Speaker 1: your fucking tone here now, Bud. And that's what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: whether these people are replaced, maybe they're cloned, maybe there
Speaker 1: is a spirit that is fucking demonically attaching themselves to
Speaker 1: their bodies or whatever. Dude, I don't trust none of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually was watching the thing yesterday.
Speaker 3: Do you know what denomination?
Speaker 2: For the record, almost every single president of America has
Speaker 2: been listed as Christian, right, And there had been a
Speaker 2: few cases of some that were more like a religious
Speaker 2: but like gon to their head, they would have claimed
Speaker 2: a certain group. But like the ones that were like
Speaker 2: actually practicers of the faith. Do you know what denomination?
Speaker 2: Most of them have.
Speaker 1: Been Catholic, right, No, not Catholic. That was kind of
Speaker 1: an outlier.
Speaker 2: There's only two that have been Catholic, as JFK and
Speaker 2: uh Biden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Episcopal. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: the difference is, to be honest, also called Anglican, where
Speaker 1: they see the King of England as the pope. Oh
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Weird, hitn't that? Yeah? So weird? But anyway,
Speaker 1: that's the whole point of all of this is what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, is is that what appears on
Speaker 1: the surface is what they want you to see. You
Speaker 1: have to dig a little bit deeper. Right, So whenever
Speaker 1: you're just over there assuming well jd vance, he cleans
Speaker 1: up real nice. He speaks like a like a very
Speaker 1: upright gentleman. It's like, bro, his mentor was Peter fucking Teal,
Speaker 1: that just got done talking about the Antichrist? Okay, like
Speaker 1: it's It wasn't like Peter Till woke up one day
Speaker 1: and was like, you know what I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: fucking talk about the Antichrist. I gathered Keely what happened.
Speaker 1: There's no way, there's no way, Like this is something
Speaker 1: that he's been sitting on for a minute. Dude.
Speaker 2: He's he's not even like considered a religious person. He's
Speaker 2: openly gay and married to a man. He has never
Speaker 2: been like loud and proud about his Bible thumbing faith.
Speaker 2: This was out of left field.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be a Bible thumper to look
Speaker 1: into the Antichrist. No, no, you don't.
Speaker 2: You don't have to be that, no doubt, but to
Speaker 2: give a four part series like here's some sort of
Speaker 2: an authoritative figure on the subject. He's never Yeah, he
Speaker 2: may claim Christianity, but he has never been a huge
Speaker 2: proponent of the Christian faith at all.
Speaker 1: So you know your point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually kind of randomly decided to do this
Speaker 2: as like a PR stunt, and it backfired one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: It was not a random situation that happened. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying here is is that these people are fucking a cultist. Dude.
Speaker 1: You gotta look at it for what it is. You
Speaker 1: gotta look at it for what it is. Like people
Speaker 1: don't wake up and say, you know, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: gonna change my entire ideology. This is I mean, to
Speaker 1: be honest, I think that he's personally if I had
Speaker 1: to guess, I'm saying that Peter Thield, JD. Vans, all
Speaker 1: of them cobblists. Like that's just my guess, And a
Speaker 1: lot of people are not very out in the open
Speaker 1: with it, except for our fucking president that decided to
Speaker 1: put it back in a book twenty five years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so true. I think they're cobblists if I'm being real.
Speaker 2: You know, we do have a guy right now that
Speaker 2: is doing a real deep dive into the Kabbala. Joe
Speaker 2: may or may not be h No, not Joelle, and
Speaker 2: he may or may not be coming on this show
Speaker 2: as a guest to give us the rundown of it.
Speaker 2: But I don't want to give too many spoilers away
Speaker 2: because this guy is typically are very private due when
Speaker 2: it comes to his faiths.
Speaker 3: Are He's not a Cobolist for the record, he's not.
Speaker 2: He's looking into it to see what shreds of truth
Speaker 2: and what falsehoods there are in regard to the Kabbala
Speaker 2: when it comes to Judaism. And again, he's not a cobolist.
Speaker 2: He's he's never been very open about his beliefs on
Speaker 2: faith or anything. But he's a He listens to the show,
Speaker 2: and he listens to other conspiracy shows, and he's heard
Speaker 2: so many people reference the Kabala. So he's like, you
Speaker 2: know what, let me let me dive into the book,
Speaker 2: the actual Kabbala and not like somebody's interpretation thereof and
Speaker 2: see what it's all about. Is there some fuck shit
Speaker 2: in here? Is it something that's being misquoted and misused?
Speaker 2: Like what's the deal? And I told him, it's like, look,
Speaker 2: do this, please do. But while you're looking, I would
Speaker 2: love to know why the Freemasons use it so heavily,
Speaker 2: why so many Western esoteric groups use it so heavily
Speaker 2: If it is no if there's no funck shit with
Speaker 2: it whatsoever. So he's looking at it from a very
Speaker 2: outside perspective, but on the on the scholarly side of it,
Speaker 2: and I can appreciate that. But whoever this individual may be,
Speaker 2: I would like you to look at all the different
Speaker 2: ways to look at it, because.
Speaker 1: There are multiple ways to use these esoteric systems. You know.
Speaker 1: You can use it for the good, you can use
Speaker 1: it for the bad. There's a fucking polarization that's going
Speaker 1: on in there. There is there are people that take
Speaker 1: advantage of it, you know, because it is kind of
Speaker 1: you know, what they think, what they believe, it's kind
Speaker 1: of divine esoteric information, and so there's a there's ways
Speaker 1: of abusing it, and then there's ways of going about
Speaker 1: it the right way. I personally think that taking the
Speaker 1: right way, cabalism's probably not that bad. Like it's probably
Speaker 1: really not. And to be honest, I feel like most
Speaker 1: secret society like kind of information like that, it's not
Speaker 1: meant to take over the fucking world, dude. But people
Speaker 1: take that information and they learn that information, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what I can do. Most of this shit
Speaker 1: is esoteric.
Speaker 3: It just want to take over the world, or at
Speaker 3: least did at one point.
Speaker 1: I think that people, some people took that information and
Speaker 1: decided to use it for their their physical world advantage,
Speaker 1: which it's not meant to be used for. It is
Speaker 1: meant for your own, you know, understanding of the universe
Speaker 1: and your own understanding of reality. It's getting it's a
Speaker 1: deeper understanding of what you are and what like your
Speaker 1: place in reality is. The same thing could be said
Speaker 1: towards the Bible.
Speaker 2: And we're not having a big Christian debate on this episode,
Speaker 2: but like, it's not a secret that the Transatlantic slave trade, right,
Speaker 2: these people were cherry picking a verse from the Bible
Speaker 2: saying that, oh, right here it says this about slaves
Speaker 2: in the Bible. The Bible is cool with slavery, So
Speaker 2: all we have to do is baptize these enslaved people
Speaker 2: on the coast of Africa. Now they're Christian by default.
Speaker 2: Therefore they're hailed under the laws that say the slavery
Speaker 2: is cool bop bop, We're good to go, and you
Speaker 2: can still see these chapels around the coast of Africa.
Speaker 2: Or they used to baptize these people before putting them
Speaker 2: on the ships. So like to that point, the Bible
Speaker 2: is not meant to be used to gain earthly wealth
Speaker 2: and enslave people in these things, but people misquote it
Speaker 2: and use it for discussing purposes. You're saying that the
Speaker 2: Kabbala probably we don't know this for a fact, what
Speaker 2: you're saying probably has been used in the exact same
Speaker 2: way by people to try to gain.
Speaker 1: Power and wealth rather than using it for its true
Speaker 1: purpose one hundred percent. In just the way that we
Speaker 1: were talking about the Haitians with the hoodoo and the voodoo, right, like,
Speaker 1: they look into psalms and they treat the psalms as
Speaker 1: it's literally like uh, like a cult in a way.
Speaker 1: So they'll use it in like magical spells if you
Speaker 1: really think about it, like they'll use psalms as magical
Speaker 1: spells and guess what they fucking work, dude, Like otherwise
Speaker 1: who doo wouldn't be a thing. And so the idea
Speaker 1: behind that is is that there are many levels to
Speaker 1: information and you can take it many of different ways,
Speaker 1: and it's all about how you apply it. The same
Speaker 1: thing about like even the Satanists think about it, like
Speaker 1: the Satanists are taking information from the Bible and other places,
Speaker 1: but it all started in the Bible or you know whatever,
Speaker 1: the Torah or whatever. Right, But it's all like that
Speaker 1: kind of saying information. And now they're using those demons,
Speaker 1: they're using those angels, they're using like those those magical
Speaker 1: spiritual incantations almost and they're bastardizing it. That's literally the
Speaker 1: reason why the pentagram is upside down for them, because
Speaker 1: they are taking you know, the Pentagram, which is meant
Speaker 1: to just be like an elemental thing about you know, earth, water, fire, air,
Speaker 1: and the ether, right, and they're turning it upside down.
Speaker 1: That's why that point points down because they're trying to
Speaker 1: Some would say that they're trying to pull like some
Speaker 1: kind of information from Hell or from the devil, and
Speaker 1: some people say, you know, they're actually they're not, because
Speaker 1: the idea that the point at the top of the pentagram,
Speaker 1: the idea is that you're pulling information down from Heaven
Speaker 1: or down from God or down from the angels. Whenever
Speaker 1: you flip that bad boy upside down. You're either a
Speaker 1: pulling it from the devil and pulling it from Hell
Speaker 1: and the demons and all that, or you're pointing it
Speaker 1: down to the earth for this physical reality so that
Speaker 1: you can, you know, kinda stare step your way in
Speaker 1: the physical reality, which I'm pretty sure you would agree
Speaker 1: is not what the Bible was meant for, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's like there's multiple dude. That's why I say
Speaker 1: this shit is fucking forty five d sixty chess. Are
Speaker 1: people are doing this kind of magic and occult shit
Speaker 1: under your nose, not you, but under a lot of
Speaker 1: people's nose because you don't know what to look for.
Speaker 1: And this was my initial reason for wanting to look
Speaker 1: at it look at it in the first place. Because
Speaker 1: people are so quick to say it's that's satanic or
Speaker 1: that's demonic. I'm like, you don't even know the fucking
Speaker 1: characteristics of what you're talking about. You don't understand the
Speaker 1: methods that they use.
Speaker 2: Agreed, But I'm still just speaking on behalf of myself.
Speaker 2: I'm still the belief that we live in a binary war,
Speaker 2: and it's not if it's not of the light, it's
Speaker 2: of the dark. There's very few gray areas. But that
Speaker 2: being said, I don't know. I'm not saying it's a
Speaker 2: zero percent chance. I'm saying that I don't know if
Speaker 2: Brigitte Macrone has been doing these things for occult reasons
Speaker 2: or are her Emmanuel just into some kinky shit and
Speaker 2: they just like keeping up the lie. Both could be
Speaker 2: true at the same time, Both could absolutely be true
Speaker 2: at the same time.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, and I don't know either.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I haven't really looked a whole lot
Speaker 1: into this whole Burgite Macrone thing. I'm just saying the
Speaker 1: some of the methods and the mechanisms of how, if
Speaker 1: they are dealing in the occult, how they would have
Speaker 1: gotten to the place that they are, Yeah, given the circumstance.
Speaker 2: So with all this being said, let's jump into some information,
Speaker 2: some articles to give everybody a good look at the
Speaker 2: situation on the ground as of now. So the lawyer
Speaker 2: from Macron's confirmed photographic and scientific evidence to be presented
Speaker 2: to US courts over allegations of Burgerite Macrone born a male.
Speaker 2: Now again, this is from September nineteenth of this year.
Speaker 2: That was the it was updated at that time. This
Speaker 2: article this is actually a Turkish publication, but.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll take it.
Speaker 2: French President Emmanuel McCrone and his wife, quote unquote, Brigitte
Speaker 2: Macrone are planning to present scientific evidence in a defamation
Speaker 2: suit at a US court to prove that the First
Speaker 2: Lady is a woman. In an interview with the BBC
Speaker 2: Fame under Fire podcast, the Macrone's lawyer, Tom Claire put
Speaker 2: a pin in that name good cult members. Tom Claire,
Speaker 2: We're going to get to him, said they will present
Speaker 2: photographic and scientific evidence in the defamation lawsuit against right
Speaker 2: wing US influencer Candice Owens, who claims that Brigitte was
Speaker 2: born a male. Claire said that the First Lady found
Speaker 2: the claims quote incredibly upsetting, no shit, and that they
Speaker 2: are a distraction for the French president. I don't want
Speaker 2: to suggest that it is somehow excuse me, this is
Speaker 2: a direct quote from Macrone or no, from the lawyer.
Speaker 2: I don't want to suggest that it somehow has thrown
Speaker 2: him off his game. But just like anybody who is
Speaker 2: juggling a career and a family life, when your family
Speaker 2: is under attack, it wears on you. And he's not
Speaker 2: immune from that because he's the president of a country.
Speaker 2: That's what Claire said. Claire said the couple will present
Speaker 2: scientific evidence to fully refute the allegations, without disclosing further details.
Speaker 2: Macrone filed a lawsuit in July against the right wing podcaster,
Speaker 2: alleging that she engaged in defamation. The suit, filed in
Speaker 2: a court in the state of Delaware, centers on Owen's
Speaker 2: claim that the French First Lady was born a man
Speaker 2: and transitioned to a woman under a stolen identity, as
Speaker 2: well as allegations that the Macrones are related and are
Speaker 2: so committing incest, and that Macrone was chosen to become
Speaker 2: the French president by the US spy agency, the CIA.
Speaker 1: Now pause real quick.
Speaker 2: The Macrones were using a guy in France who is
Speaker 2: that right now? I think their Minister of Justice, which
Speaker 2: is essentially their nation's ag right, there's like the Pambondi
Speaker 2: of France if you want to give a comparison here,
Speaker 2: and when you look at Eric DuPont, which that's the
Speaker 2: guy's name for the er dupond rather with a d
Speaker 2: if anybody wants to look at him. In some of
Speaker 2: the cases that he covered in the past, we did
Speaker 2: an episodere. We talked about it a bit, the incest
Speaker 2: and murder charges that were brought about against a French
Speaker 2: higher up for lack of better words, Remember I told
Speaker 2: you about that one, Jonathan I.
Speaker 1: It's been a minute, but yeah, long story short. This
Speaker 1: dad was raping two of his daughters.
Speaker 2: One of them got pregnant with his kid, and then
Speaker 2: they she when she got to be old enough to
Speaker 2: file a lawsuit against him. This dude, Eric DuPont, who
Speaker 2: is a lawyer in France, high high profile lawyer, was
Speaker 2: able to actually convince the court that yes, this might
Speaker 2: seem bad on the onset, but this is a case
Speaker 2: of happy incest. Like the daughter was completely down with it. It
Speaker 2: was an expression of love in a physical way. And
Speaker 2: although we may not understand it, who are we to
Speaker 2: judge his family? And this, that and the third and
Speaker 2: got him off of the of all charges. Okay, cut
Speaker 2: to this daughter who now has a son with her dad.
Speaker 2: Get and Mary's a guy or is like engaged to
Speaker 2: a guy and they're you know, going from a spot
Speaker 2: and the dad kills them both and then commits suicide.
Speaker 3: So that's the current Minister of Justice.
Speaker 2: For the nation of France, Eric Dupond, and that was
Speaker 2: going to be their lawyer on this case. Thankfully they
Speaker 2: fucking left him in France and now they have found
Speaker 2: American representation in Delaware for this case. Now this being said,
Speaker 2: they're talking about providing photo evidence and scientific evidence. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't know how the law system works in France.
Speaker 2: To be completely honest with you, I couldn't give a
Speaker 2: collective fuck about that. My point is in America, where
Speaker 2: we have a constitution, where we have freedom, where we
Speaker 2: use freedom metrics, not kilometers per wine glass or whatever
Speaker 2: the fuck kind of units they use of there, I
Speaker 2: don't know. In this nation, you have to provide evidence
Speaker 2: provided in this nation.
Speaker 1: What do I mean by that?
Speaker 2: You're not gonna come here with a doctor or a
Speaker 2: doctor's note from a French doctor saying that he checked
Speaker 2: her out and she's totally girl.
Speaker 1: No, no, no o contrere Montfrere.
Speaker 2: You're gonna find an American doctor to sign off on
Speaker 2: an American investigation done into this, because that's how the
Speaker 2: court proceedings work. You can't just bring evidence from one side.
Speaker 2: You have to cooberate that with both legal parties, meaning
Speaker 2: more often than not, both lawyers have to either a
Speaker 2: acknowledge that this scientific test and photograph is good or
Speaker 2: b you have to do two separate tests that they
Speaker 2: can both bring to the court to cooberate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I have an issue with that. I mean,
Speaker 1: on the surface, it sounds like the right way, right,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about the American justice system, which is
Speaker 1: understood to be absolutely fucking not only broken, but shattered. Right,
Speaker 1: and especially if the French president, by the he was
Speaker 1: chosen to become the French president by the US by agency,
Speaker 1: the CIA, as it alludes to in this article. If
Speaker 1: this CIA, if the CIA has any hand in this whatsoever,
Speaker 1: this is never going to get passed in court. This
Speaker 1: is never like Candace. Candace is fighting an uphill battle
Speaker 1: one hundred percent with this whole thing, right, and everybody
Speaker 1: else that is calling a man man is is fighting
Speaker 1: an uphill battle. They're never going to legally come out
Speaker 1: and say that it is a man unless there is
Speaker 1: only one unless here And this is hopium, so don't
Speaker 1: get hopped up on it. And that's if the American
Speaker 1: political system and the judicial system is kind of feeding
Speaker 1: Candace information in hopes to bring down the French presidency
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, which I highly doubt,
Speaker 1: especially if they're the ones that place Macron at the
Speaker 1: at the head in the first place.
Speaker 2: But that's the other thing, too, dude, for the CIA
Speaker 2: to be the ones that put him in the position
Speaker 2: to be the prime minister or the president. I forget
Speaker 2: which position, but whatever. I have a hard time believing that.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that the CIA does not do that.
Speaker 2: In nations they have so regularly, but France, like they
Speaker 2: have Inner Pole, they have their own Moussade ties, they
Speaker 2: have their own Russia ties, their own China issues, they
Speaker 2: have their own EU and NATO.
Speaker 3: Alliances and all the like. That's my point.
Speaker 2: It's not like France is a nation that we benefit
Speaker 2: from them going on the downhill slope. They're a really
Speaker 2: close ally of ours. We stand to benefit from them
Speaker 2: doing well as a nation. We don't benefit from them collapsing.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. I just I have a
Speaker 2: hard time seeing the CI having an actual hand in this.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that it's impossible. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: I can't see the writing on the wall with this one.
Speaker 2: But does a coup mean a collapse not always, but typically, Yes,
Speaker 2: Typically when a coup takes place, there is some turmoil
Speaker 2: in the nation, and not just like protesters, like usually
Speaker 2: there's arm conflicts, there's there's buildings being burned down, there's
Speaker 2: civil unrest and shit like that when a coup takes place.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean that being said, the French governments elapsed three
Speaker 2: times in the last two years, so it's like, and
Speaker 2: again I don't have a hard time believing that.
Speaker 1: That was because of a CIA op. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I can't.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's one hundred percent, no way in
Speaker 2: hell there is for sure chances of this. I just
Speaker 2: don't see what America would stand to benefit from that.
Speaker 1: That's all. Well, that'd being said speaking of systems collapsing
Speaker 1: and just talking about, you know, the government being shut
Speaker 1: down in our country. Allegedly, there is going to be
Speaker 1: somewhat of an uprising November first, from what I've been
Speaker 1: seeing all on social media, with all of the people
Speaker 1: who were regularly receiving food stamps are now saying the
Speaker 1: government owes me this, and if I don't get it
Speaker 1: from the government, I'm going to find a way to
Speaker 1: get it. So and I'm just gonna be rerail right here.
Speaker 1: Some people will say, well, good, you know, the worthless.
Speaker 1: Some people would refer to them as the people that
Speaker 1: were getting food stamps. I at one time was getting
Speaker 1: food stamps. So I have sympathy for this. And if
Speaker 1: you think about it, you know, just because the government
Speaker 1: shut down and the government is not going to be
Speaker 1: issuing any more food stamps or what is it called
Speaker 1: EFTs or something like that, just because they're not issuing
Speaker 1: that does not mean that that that money is being
Speaker 1: put towards something else, right Like, they're holding on to
Speaker 1: that money right escrow.
Speaker 3: And that's the deal. The Democrats are the reason right now.
Speaker 2: And yes, I know what I'm about to say is
Speaker 2: going to piss off some people.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine.
Speaker 2: As it stands, the Democrats are refusing to come to
Speaker 2: work and vote on things, and that's why the government
Speaker 2: is shut down. The Democrats are blaming the Republicans for
Speaker 2: being unwavering. The Republicans are blaming the Democrats for not
Speaker 2: coming in and doing their fucking jobs.
Speaker 1: Either way that goes.
Speaker 2: But I think the Democrats want this to happen so
Speaker 2: that there will be civil unrests in the nation. They're
Speaker 2: using the people as collateral and as the fire under the.
Speaker 1: Asked, so to speak. On the other hand of that,
Speaker 1: I think that the Republicans know that and they're trying
Speaker 1: to use it to their own advantage. So it's like
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of people that are not worried about,
Speaker 1: you know, the the citizens' best interest. You're talking about politicians.
Speaker 1: They couldn't give a fuck about me or you because
Speaker 1: they just care about their bank account growing. And if
Speaker 1: they can see, why is it that every politician leaves
Speaker 1: office and there are all a sudden fucking quadrillionaires, Like
Speaker 1: it makes no fucking sense. I mean, you're you're making
Speaker 1: one hundred grand a year and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like you have seven manches, seven mansions, like fucking Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders out there. You know, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Now, Okay, getting back to the case here, they're talking
Speaker 2: about how the CIA put Macron in the seat of
Speaker 2: power that he's in. Again, there may be some truth
Speaker 2: to that. I can't verify that whatsoever. As far as
Speaker 2: I can tell, that's Candice Owens saying some things, and
Speaker 2: she does show receipts in certain regards and in other regard,
Speaker 2: she just tells you, like, trust me.
Speaker 1: Bro, that's my source. Just trust me Bro.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how credible that claim is, but
Speaker 2: either way it goes. The two hundred and nineteen page
Speaker 2: complaint seeks a jury trial on twenty two counts related
Speaker 2: to the claims made on Owens's show, including an eight
Speaker 2: part series that made a number of claims about the Macrones,
Speaker 2: as well as over Owen's rebuffed to three retraction demands
Speaker 2: since since last December. According to the suit, false claims
Speaker 2: about Brigitte Macrone's gender have circulated on social media for years,
Speaker 2: dating back to twenty twenty one, when two French women
Speaker 2: posted a YouTube video alleging that she was once a
Speaker 2: man named Jean Michelle Troun, who is actually her brother.
Speaker 2: They're saying that basically the brother became the sister on
Speaker 2: that one. In July, the Macrones also took the case
Speaker 2: against the two women to the highest appeals court in Paris.
Speaker 2: The Paris Court of Appeals overturned its earlier convictions. So
Speaker 2: these women never actually saw quote unquote justice for the
Speaker 2: quote unquote defamation that took place. Again, every time that
Speaker 2: somebody has tried or they the Macrones have tried to
Speaker 2: bring somebody to court over the this.
Speaker 1: It's always been in one way, shape or form, pushed
Speaker 1: under the rug because you can't prove something that's not true,
Speaker 1: you know, and so you can put up the facade.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sue you, I'm going to counter sue you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sue you for defamation. But you know, eventually
Speaker 1: it gets up to that highest point. Maybe it'll go
Speaker 1: as far as the fucking Supreme Court over here, we'll see,
Speaker 1: but eventually it'll get thrown out. Like or Candace is
Speaker 1: gonna get on alived. Some something is going to happen.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be a clean cut either A she
Speaker 1: is a man a or B she's not a man.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be clean cut. Our justicism is
Speaker 1: never clean cut that way, especially whenever you're talking about
Speaker 1: like such high ranking individuals. Dude, if we believed in
Speaker 1: our justice system, why is Diddy only getting five years? Right? Why?
Speaker 3: Which of that he'll probably serve six months?
Speaker 1: By the way, So you remember how we talked about
Speaker 1: just like Maxwell, she was transferred to Brian Texas just
Speaker 1: what a couple of months ago, which is kind of
Speaker 1: crazy because that's the town that electro Nick lives in.
Speaker 1: How and that was said to be kind of like
Speaker 1: a high security prison, right, how About she just got
Speaker 1: transferred again to a very very like a very well
Speaker 1: known low security uh jail or prison. It's still in Texas,
Speaker 1: but she just got transferred there, and people are saying,
Speaker 1: watch out, Gisele Maxwell did not kill herself. So I
Speaker 1: just want to throw it out there, like, if you're
Speaker 1: transferring somebody like this to a low security prison, I
Speaker 1: would not be shocked if if cameras go out, I
Speaker 1: would not be shocked if she just so happens to
Speaker 1: have a couple of extra bed sheets and a couple
Speaker 1: of extra jumpsuit jumpsuits in that cell, right, and maybe
Speaker 1: the prison guards fall asleep, maybe the maybe literally nobody
Speaker 1: ever got trafficked. Watch just mark my fucking words.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I agree with this one hundred percent. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm surprised it took this long. I'm surprised it took
Speaker 2: this long for some to actually try to question her,
Speaker 2: or at least give off the image that they questioned her.
Speaker 2: Of course, they're not gonna talk about what she spoke
Speaker 2: on they're not gonna release that. That's incriminating to so
Speaker 2: many people in high places. And fine, fine, but no
Speaker 2: one even tried to make the attempt to give off
Speaker 2: the image that, well, we questioned her, she's just being
Speaker 2: non compliant. No one even attempted to do that until
Speaker 2: a few months ago.
Speaker 1: It's my numbing. It is my numbing. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, dude. And the all the fucking Democrats, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I can't stand either fucking side, So
Speaker 1: don't take any offense and assume that I'm the other
Speaker 1: side just because I'm, you know, kind of coming down
Speaker 1: on one here. But all the Democrats out there that
Speaker 1: are saying we need to release the Epstein files, Trump
Speaker 1: is clearly on it, and that's why he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to release it. Where were you for four years? Where
Speaker 1: were you like you would have? Did you hide in
Speaker 1: a fucking under a rock? Were you in a closet?
Speaker 1: Did you Why are we not holding everybody accountable and
Speaker 1: not just those perceived to be your adversaries.
Speaker 2: You understand that if they would have come out with
Speaker 2: the while Biden was in office, First of all, yes,
Speaker 2: that would have fucked over the Biden family. I get that,
Speaker 2: but that also would have made it to where Trump
Speaker 2: would have not gotten reelected. Yeah, if that's true, and
Speaker 2: if his name is on it as many times that
Speaker 2: has been speculating all this, if they would have dropped
Speaker 2: that fucking truth bomb, you understand that we wouldn't have
Speaker 2: the president we have right now.
Speaker 1: Trump literally ran on whenever I get in office, I'm
Speaker 1: going to look into the Epstein files. Everybody knew that,
Speaker 1: not even just Trump. Cash Patel was saying it going
Speaker 1: on to all these other podcasts.
Speaker 2: Dan's why he showed the podcasters to be the head
Speaker 2: of the CIA, because they're looking into the real shit.
Speaker 2: They'll release it. They're one of the people, They're one
Speaker 2: of us. The fuck they.
Speaker 1: Are, Dan Bong Jean do the same thing. You know,
Speaker 1: I people had high hopes, but you know, you can
Speaker 1: clearly tell that these people are absolutely hiding something like
Speaker 1: the people like if you think about like a like mentalists.
Speaker 1: I watch like a lot of mentalists kind of shit.
Speaker 1: I just find it so fascinating. Mentalists, Well, you know,
Speaker 1: they can read facial language and they look for the
Speaker 1: tiniest little things that you do on your face and
Speaker 1: it gives away information, right, Like even they're saying, like, dude,
Speaker 1: watch Cash Betel, watch Dan Bongino, whenever they're saying that
Speaker 1: Epstein killed himself and it was clear and obvious, or
Speaker 1: watch both of them whenever they're like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there is no Epstein flight log and it was just
Speaker 1: kind of like a Democrat a hoax, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what to look like, you know, a bullshitter,
Speaker 1: like and nobody bought that. Nobody, Like, name one person
Speaker 1: that believes that the Epstein files are a Democrat hoax.
Speaker 1: If it was such a Democrat hoax, Trump, why were
Speaker 1: you talking about it so much? Cash Hotel? Why were
Speaker 1: you talking about it so much? You know, it's funny
Speaker 1: how it's only a Democrat hoax. Whenever you're in power
Speaker 1: and you have the power to be able to push
Speaker 1: it up to the forefront, you fox.
Speaker 2: The same way with the Democrats, Like if it was
Speaker 2: a guarantee that Trump was on the list, why didn't
Speaker 2: you release it the whole time prior to Yes, I'm
Speaker 2: with you one hundred percent, dude, it's they're all on it.
Speaker 3: And I don't mean every single politician that you voted for.
Speaker 2: I'm saying the majority of them I think that's actually
Speaker 2: a pretty fair statement to make, or at least if
Speaker 2: they weren't on it, they were complicit and knew that
Speaker 2: the ones that were on it were on it, like
Speaker 2: they knew that their homies.
Speaker 1: Even though yeah, well we're all.
Speaker 2: Like politicians and this and this, even if it's ten
Speaker 2: percent of Congress and ten percent of the Senate or
Speaker 2: whatever the house were frequent flyers to Epstein Island, there's
Speaker 2: no fucking way that the other people didn't know that
Speaker 2: they had gone told Jeff's place like that.
Speaker 1: Here's no way you're equally guilty. Yeah, And I will
Speaker 1: say there are two people out in the forefront that
Speaker 1: are trying to get these things that this Epstein shit released,
Speaker 1: and I just want to throw it out there, and
Speaker 1: I've watched it ad nauseum. These two people that I'm
Speaker 1: about to name did not kill themselves. And I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas Massey and Thomas Massey's an.
Speaker 2: I know some people cannot fuck with Marjorie Taylor Green.
Speaker 2: They feel some type of way about her.
Speaker 1: Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2: He may not like her political affiliations, you may not
Speaker 2: like some of her talking points, shouts out to her
Speaker 2: for keeping it tin toes down with looking for the
Speaker 2: truth on this. If nothing else, let's give some fucking
Speaker 2: props where they're due, y Sam.
Speaker 1: She was a full on Q tard at first, like
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. She was full on the Trump train,
Speaker 1: and now she's she's distanced herself. Same thing with Thomas Massey.
Speaker 1: They are trying to drag his name through the mud,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you look into him, and I promise
Speaker 1: you whatever he speaks is going to be speaking right
Speaker 1: to your fucking soul. Like that guy is on one
Speaker 1: right now. And I like, if I could vote for
Speaker 1: a president, I don't have a lot of faith in
Speaker 1: politics in general. If I did have some, it would
Speaker 1: be going towards him. It'd be going towards uh Rand Paul.
Speaker 1: These are the people that are calling all this Epstein
Speaker 1: shit out. So these are the real ones in my opinion.
Speaker 2: And now it's interesting that we're talking about this because
Speaker 2: Trump has been suing so many companies for defamation. Then
Speaker 2: once he took off as and he has won millions
Speaker 2: and millions and millions and millions of dollars from these
Speaker 2: big name corporations. So now let's talk about the lawyer
Speaker 2: who is leading the charge on this macrone defamation case.
Speaker 2: He is a famous lawyer, although you may not be
Speaker 2: familiar with his other important case. As soon as it
Speaker 2: gets brought up, you're gonna have a massive red flag
Speaker 2: go up in your head.
Speaker 3: Let's listen to the man himself.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is Tom Claire, attorney for the mccrones, explaining
Speaker 2: why they are suing Candice Owens for defamation. This was
Speaker 2: dropped three months ago on CNN. But I think he'll
Speaker 2: do a good job of speaking on behalf of himself
Speaker 2: for who he is and what he's about.
Speaker 1: Just looking at him, I don't trust him.
Speaker 3: Oh no, this is the anchor. This isn't him.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well I don't trust him.
Speaker 4: Same.
Speaker 2: He's a fucking journalist and we don't trust that bitch neither,
Speaker 2: no non object.
Speaker 1: But anyway, he looks like Christopher lloyd On who framed
Speaker 1: Roger Rabbit. Oh yeah, got shit?
Speaker 2: Huh right? All right, So here he is Tom clear.
Speaker 2: Let's see what he's going to say.
Speaker 4: Here's a bit of like reading for you. It runs
Speaker 4: to some two hundred pages or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: It runs to actually two hundred and nineteen pages. It
Speaker 4: is if you read the front of it. It's in
Speaker 4: the Superior Court of the State of Delaware. Emmanuel Macron PRIGITP.
Speaker 4: Macron against Candace Owens. The French president and his wife
Speaker 4: are suing writing podcaster in the US four reviving claims
Speaker 4: that BRIGITP. Macron could be a man now. The lawsuit
Speaker 4: accuses Candace Owens of carrying out what the Macron's lawyer
Speaker 4: calls a relentless, year long campaign of defamation. Owens teased
Speaker 4: on social media that she will be addressed the story
Speaker 4: on a podcast in the coming hours. We've reached out
Speaker 4: to her for further comment. Tom Claire is the attorney
Speaker 4: representing the Macrons and joins me, now, mister Claire, I'm
Speaker 4: grateful you will forgive me. I've not read much of
Speaker 4: the two hundred and nineteen pages at this point, but
Speaker 4: it's still early days. Look, Tom, politicians, Macrons, they used
Speaker 4: to having everything thrown at them. Why did they decide
Speaker 4: on this occasion this had to be litigated and therefore
Speaker 4: into the full glare of publicity.
Speaker 5: Of course, thanks for having me, Richard.
Speaker 6: The Macrons, just like any other person, have a reputation
Speaker 6: and they have a right to their reputation, and this
Speaker 6: was not in any way their first choice was to
Speaker 6: have to bring this claim. For the better part of
Speaker 6: seven months, they have tried to get Candice Owens to
Speaker 6: acknowledge the facts and evidence proving that her claims are
Speaker 6: wrong and to engage constructively with the truth. And each
Speaker 6: time she has mocked them, and she was repeated and
Speaker 6: doubled down on.
Speaker 5: Her false claims. And I would say also, these types
Speaker 5: of false.
Speaker 6: Statements become a cancer, right, they metastasized into other media outlets,
Speaker 6: and pretty soon it becomes an accepted part of the narrative.
Speaker 5: And the President and Missus Macron had had enough.
Speaker 6: This is somebody who has put herself with Candice Owns,
Speaker 6: has put herself at the epicenter of this lie here
Speaker 6: in the United States.
Speaker 5: And don't you feel so important to hold her accountable?
Speaker 4: Don't you feel that you're just going to give it
Speaker 4: more oxygen? And yes, you know, eventually the Macrons may
Speaker 4: prevail in cases, but they'll be depositions, they'll be witness statements.
Speaker 4: They're going to have to I mean, you know what
Speaker 4: you do if suddenly it goes to trial, which it
Speaker 4: probably won't do. But if it goes to trial and
Speaker 4: Owens calls.
Speaker 6: The Macrons, well, look, the fact that they are willing
Speaker 6: to undergo that process that you just described conveys volumes
Speaker 6: about how serious they are about this and how important
Speaker 6: it is to them to stand up to this. They
Speaker 6: are incredibly hurt by the falsehoods and the repetition of
Speaker 6: these falsehoods, and that they are prepared to undergo that
Speaker 6: crucible volumes about how important it is to them. And
Speaker 6: you're right, it does give more airtime to Candice Owens
Speaker 6: than she deserves.
Speaker 5: You're one hundred percent right about that.
Speaker 6: But it is important that the public be properly informed,
Speaker 6: and the way we do that in our system is
Speaker 6: through the court system, where there are rules and evidence
Speaker 6: and standards, and they're prepared to do it.
Speaker 4: What I mean, it is a bit well, it's perfectly legitimate,
Speaker 4: but it is a bit weird for a president of
Speaker 4: one country to be suing in the courts of another.
Speaker 5: You know, I will acknowledge that it is it is.
Speaker 6: It is not without precedent, But again, it speaks volumes
Speaker 6: to how important this is to President and missus McCrumb
Speaker 6: that they are willing to that, they're willing to come
Speaker 6: to the United States and do it. And plus, this
Speaker 6: is where candae Owans can be found. It's important for
Speaker 6: her United States audience to see this play out in
Speaker 6: a public courtroom and in a public filing.
Speaker 4: What are they seeking other than a cease and desist?
Speaker 4: Are they seeking large damages? Are they seeking, as we've
Speaker 4: seen in other cases, essentially the closure of her company
Speaker 4: and that podcast?
Speaker 1: And they like.
Speaker 5: Sorry, So this is a claim for monetary damages.
Speaker 6: In the United States, a claim for defamation only can
Speaker 6: cover defamation damages, so damages to reputation, economic harm, and
Speaker 6: the like. And we'll come forward to prove those things
Speaker 6: at trial. But we also hope to say set the
Speaker 6: record straight. We're going to have a public trial. The
Speaker 6: evidence is going to be presented, and this crazy conspiracy.
Speaker 5: Narrative is going to be put to rest for once
Speaker 5: and for all.
Speaker 4: You do realize if this comes to trial, it will
Speaker 4: be a circus the like of which we've never seen before.
Speaker 6: Certainly understand that we're no stranger to that. When our
Speaker 6: firm took on dominion, our firm represented dominion voting systems
Speaker 6: in the case against Fox News a few years ago,
Speaker 6: same court room, same court house, same media circus, and
Speaker 6: so we stand ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with
Speaker 6: President Missus Macron as they go through that.
Speaker 2: Tom, please come, okay, just so we're all cli wow,
Speaker 2: we're all on the same page.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and replay that part.
Speaker 2: Because I feel like not enough people understand that the
Speaker 2: lawyer that is representing the Macrones is the same lawyer
Speaker 2: that represented Dominion Voting in the fucking voter fraud that
Speaker 2: took place. Once again, let's hear from the man himself.
Speaker 5: Firm took on dominion.
Speaker 6: Our firm represented Dominion voting systems in the case against
Speaker 6: Fox News a few years ago. Same court room, same
Speaker 6: court house, same same media circus, and.
Speaker 1: Same room, same courthouse. Oh, I believe that is the
Speaker 1: reason why Tucker Carlson got fired off of Fox News,
Speaker 1: right indeed it is.
Speaker 2: Now, let's learn a little bit more about this guy
Speaker 2: in the whole situation, right, old Tom Claire, Thomas Claire
Speaker 2: Save the Company. Legal work ended with one of the
Speaker 2: most publicized settlements of twenty twenty three. The most consequential
Speaker 2: litigation of Thomas claire career began with a phone call
Speaker 2: on a quiet Thanksgiving afternoon or weekend at his Alexandria home, Alexandria,
Speaker 2: where I used to live. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: when I was stationed in DC, things didn't stay quiet
Speaker 2: for long. It was Dominion Voting System Claire recalls. They
Speaker 2: were requesting that our firm joined their litigation against Fox
Speaker 2: News and other media companies which had been spreading false
Speaker 2: stories about the integrity of Dominion's voting machines. I was
Speaker 2: thrilled to get the call and very honored that Dominion
Speaker 2: thought we could add some value. Claire was no stranger
Speaker 2: to high profile, high stakes defamation litigation. His firm has
Speaker 2: successfully sued Rolling Stone Magazine and obtained a jury verdict
Speaker 2: in a libel case against Puma Biotechnology. Plus he previously
Speaker 2: achieved a ten million dollars settlement and the front page
Speaker 2: apology from the Cincinnati Enquirer when he was a at
Speaker 2: Kirkland and Ellis. So let's continue. But this case felt different.
Speaker 2: Part of the reason we felt such a moral imperative
Speaker 2: to bring this case was to make sure the folk
Speaker 2: were being treated fairly under the law. But beyond that,
Speaker 2: there was an enormous amount of harm done to our
Speaker 2: country by the dissemination of these falsehoods on cable TV,
Speaker 2: and he created a great deal of concern with and
Speaker 2: distrust of our electoral system. Claire's attitude for law became
Speaker 2: a parent in early childhood. His parents quote unquote sentenced
Speaker 2: him and his younger brother to writing five hundred sentences
Speaker 2: for some minor vandalism around the house. Claire felt that
Speaker 2: the punishment didn't fit the crime, and he pleaded his case.
Speaker 2: His dad finally conceded and he had made some strong
Speaker 2: points and when with drew the punishment, long story short,
Speaker 2: he knew he wanted to be a lawyer.
Speaker 1: From very early on through.
Speaker 2: The winter of twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, attorneys
Speaker 2: at Claire and Locke, which he is a partner in
Speaker 2: this company. It's him and his wife, by the way, Locke,
Speaker 2: that's his wife. They owned the law firm. Along with
Speaker 2: co counsel Susman Godfrey and Dominion's own legal team, worked
Speaker 2: to debunk continuing the miss representations. Claire felt some of
Speaker 2: the claims being made on cable and or social media
Speaker 2: were outrageous. For instance, he says a truly implausible allegation
Speaker 2: that Dominion was shipping the votes to Europe and shipping
Speaker 2: them back again. And an affidavit that was floating around
Speaker 2: that supposedly provided support for this notion that Dominion voting
Speaker 2: machines had been created for Hugo Chavez to be able
Speaker 2: to rig elections in Venezuela. Okay, real quick, I never
Speaker 2: one time heard anything about ballots being sent to Europe.
Speaker 2: I heard about them being sent to Venezuela and Chile.
Speaker 2: Did you hear anything about ballots being sent to Europe?
Speaker 2: Was it all to South America because dominions of South
Speaker 2: American company.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we heard.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Not there, And no, I think it's fucking weird how
Speaker 1: we would even have ballots going anywhere outside of the
Speaker 1: United fucking States, right like that? Is that strange? Or am? I?
Speaker 2: Claire debunked that? And they claim that none of them
Speaker 2: actually went anywhere? Fuck eyewitness testimonies in first person accounts.
Speaker 3: Never mind, that's not important.
Speaker 2: So Claire explains the initial strategy to literally blood the
Speaker 2: field with the true facts that demonstrated the falsity of
Speaker 2: the big lie the Dominion had rigged the election. He says,
Speaker 2: our initial mandate was nothing to do with litigation. It
Speaker 2: was to try to set up a good legal claim
Speaker 2: or to win a crazy dollar amount. It was how
Speaker 2: to how do we save the company from the defamation
Speaker 2: or defam falsehoods, whatever we could do to stop these outlets.
Speaker 1: From broadcasting them.
Speaker 2: One of the legal elements of the defamation is to
Speaker 2: be able to demonstrate that the speaker spoke the defamatory
Speaker 2: falsehoods with reckless disregard of the truth. Claire said, the
Speaker 2: initial hook that the media outlets would stop broadcasting falsehoods
Speaker 2: about Dominion prove short lived, so we had to move
Speaker 2: to a different phase of the engagement where we started
Speaker 2: looking at litigation more seriously. The repercussions got personal. One
Speaker 2: of the most gut wrenching things about the case was
Speaker 2: the people who saw and believed these falsehoods felt like
Speaker 2: Dominion workers had stolen their rights.
Speaker 3: Because they fucking did.
Speaker 2: This put Dominions people in a real sense of physical harm.
Speaker 1: He says.
Speaker 2: They were receiving death threats and one at one point
Speaker 2: a sniper showed up outside Dominion's office.
Speaker 3: I didn't even hear about that, but okay.
Speaker 2: The men and women of Dominions certainly knew that they
Speaker 2: had not done anything any of these things, but that's
Speaker 2: a very difficult thing to carry around when you can't
Speaker 2: go safely to church or to the store. On the
Speaker 2: brink of trial, Fox agreed to settle for seven hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty seven million dollars in damages and fees. What
Speaker 2: Dominion was, after, Claire says, was a very clear exposition
Speaker 2: that our democracy isn't tainted, isn't corrupted, and that there
Speaker 2: is a meaningful, trustworthy method of counting votes using Dominion machines.
Speaker 1: And we got that.
Speaker 2: Dominion has ongoing suits against two other cable media outlets,
Speaker 2: Oaan Network and Newsmax. Perhaps we've heard of those, and
Speaker 2: several media personalities, and Claire is.
Speaker 1: Involved in all of them. So just are all clear.
Speaker 2: This is a quick little YouTube short, and it's a
Speaker 2: dude making fun of the whole thing, But this is
Speaker 2: about how that defamation lawsuit took place. They didn't actually
Speaker 2: go to litigation because they started taking personal shots and
Speaker 2: that's when Fox was basically like, okay, just how much
Speaker 2: do you want to shut the fuck up? Let's learn
Speaker 2: about this together, shall we. I'm gonna mute it because
Speaker 2: the piano is kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: On this.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Dominion Voting Systems is suing Fox News over
Speaker 2: false claims made about their voting machines by Trump allies
Speaker 2: on air. Here's the latest, Dominion says fox News lawyers
Speaker 2: with hailed information about co founder Rupert Murdoch and then
Speaker 2: the Minion lawyers, we were led to believe that Murdoch
Speaker 2: was just an officer for Fox's parent company.
Speaker 3: Fox newslawyers go, he is.
Speaker 2: The Minion lawyers are like, but Murdoch also holds an
Speaker 2: office title for Fox News, so he's not just the
Speaker 2: officer on the board.
Speaker 1: He holds a title.
Speaker 2: The Minion lawyer has also said, so we're missing Murdoch
Speaker 2: related documents that we otherwise would.
Speaker 3: Have asked for. The Fox News lawyers are kind of like,
Speaker 3: what the hell.
Speaker 2: The judge is kind of like, hmm, I agree with that,
Speaker 2: and I'm not happy. Fox News lawyers are like, it's
Speaker 2: a title. It's an honorific title. Like he doesn't hold
Speaker 2: power over here. It's kind of like a silent owner
Speaker 2: kind of thing, so like what the hell. Meanwhile, Judge
Speaker 2: Davis is like, you have a credibility problem, fox News lawyers,
Speaker 2: And so that's basically it. Once it was understood that
Speaker 2: they had a credibility problem and that the Dominion lawyers
Speaker 2: had the judge in their side. They knew that this
Speaker 2: was gonna be an uphill battle, and that all the
Speaker 2: claims that they were gonna make, they were gonna already
Speaker 2: have to fight the fight of whether they are telling
Speaker 2: truths versus skeptical claims.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Once it was understood that the lawyer was gonna
Speaker 2: side with Dominion and that they were gonna have an
Speaker 2: uphill battle, they decided to just go ahead and sign
Speaker 2: a check for seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars.
Speaker 2: And Tom Claire is the guy that made that happen.
Speaker 2: So let's hear from this one here. This is actually
Speaker 2: right after the case was it was more than seven
Speaker 2: sixty seven or seven eighty seven or whatever, but that
Speaker 2: was after, you know, lawyer fees got taken out in
Speaker 2: all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So let's hear.
Speaker 7: Moments ago, Fox and Dominion Voting Systems announced they had
Speaker 7: reached a settlement in the one point six billion dollar
Speaker 7: defamation lawsuit. The jury was seated and they were just
Speaker 7: about to get opening arguments started, and then Dominion came
Speaker 7: out and said the two had come to an agreement
Speaker 7: where Fox said it would pay seven hundred and eighty
Speaker 7: seven and a half million dollars and acknowledge they lied
Speaker 7: about things they said on air about Dominion, including that
Speaker 7: the voting machine maker ragged the twenty twenty presidential election
Speaker 7: and flipped votes.
Speaker 5: Fox News, in response.
Speaker 7: Released this statement, we are pleased to have reached a
Speaker 7: settlement of our dispute with Dominion Voting Systems. We acknowledged
Speaker 7: the court's rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false.
Speaker 7: This statement reflects fox continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards.
Speaker 7: We are hopeful that our decision to resolve this dispute
Speaker 7: with Dominion amicably instead of the acrimony of a divisive trial,
Speaker 7: allows the country to move forward from these issues outside
Speaker 7: the Delaware court House, where this trial was supposed to
Speaker 7: take place. Dominion's lawyer said this isn't over. Another voting
Speaker 7: machine company called Smartmatic is also sewing Fox for two
Speaker 7: point seven billion dollars with the same types of defamation claims.
Speaker 2: So again, Tom Claire is not exactly half Stepper or
Speaker 2: an unknown person in the realm of American defamation litigation.
Speaker 1: He's about getting that money, and that's what he was about.
Speaker 1: What's funny is is that it's not going all the
Speaker 1: way to the end. You know, they're settling in the
Speaker 1: in the middle, like you know, they're they're basically seating.
Speaker 1: You know, Fox News was seeding. They didn't even decide
Speaker 1: to take it all the way because if they did
Speaker 1: decide to take it all the way and it would
Speaker 1: have went through and they would have lost, they would
Speaker 1: have lost a whole lot more money. So they ended
Speaker 1: up settling, right, and so it would only be legally
Speaker 1: correct for them to say, look, I would much rather
Speaker 1: lose seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars over what
Speaker 1: was it, like a fucking couple billion. It's like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So maybe they didn't have all the proof that they
Speaker 1: claimed that they had not to say that they were
Speaker 1: spitting lies, but legally they had to say that they
Speaker 1: were spitting lies so that they could settle. And I
Speaker 1: almost wonder if if Kandace is going to be a
Speaker 1: pushover like that, because I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean, everybody has a price, right.
Speaker 2: I know people out there are gonna say, not Candace,
Speaker 2: she is all about the morality and letting.
Speaker 1: The truth get out there. She would never be bought.
Speaker 2: Listen, hey, homie, that is before somebody is waiving five
Speaker 2: hundred million green dollars in the face of Okay, Like, honestly.
Speaker 3: People can claim whatever they want.
Speaker 2: You don't know what you'd be willing to do unless
Speaker 2: that offer was made to you.
Speaker 1: Let's just be straight up. I mean, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I personally, I'm not a materialistic kind of person. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't need a big mansion. I am perfectly fine
Speaker 1: in a regular house with a regular yard and maybe
Speaker 1: a swing set in the back, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I do know that there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people out there the moneyfucking talks and the bullshit walks,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I would like to believe that
Speaker 1: Candice may have a little bit more integrity on this
Speaker 1: situation than what Fox News had. I would like to
Speaker 1: believe that. I'm not. Look, I'm I can't say that
Speaker 1: I've never spoken to her, you know, like I you
Speaker 1: don't know somebody whenever they're off camera.
Speaker 3: No, no, I agree with that.
Speaker 2: I just man and again not talking about the Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk situation because that has shown serious cracks in her integrity.
Speaker 2: She has been caught in so many lies and falsehoods.
Speaker 2: The fact that she was right about text messages, that's
Speaker 2: a thing, absolutely a thing. But turning point, USA addressed
Speaker 2: those and talked about exactly what they were and who
Speaker 2: they were from and all of the things. So like
Speaker 2: her big claim that like that was the smoking gun,
Speaker 2: not as much as she made it out to be initially.
Speaker 3: There's other claims that she has.
Speaker 2: Made that she has been caught bold face lying, and
Speaker 2: now it's to a point to where her only source
Speaker 2: is trust me bro. But aside, that's after the Macrone conversation.
Speaker 2: The Macrone conversation has been happening for a year prior,
Speaker 2: so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I am with you. I hope that she has.
Speaker 2: More integrity than that, and that she is going to
Speaker 2: be making this much noise about the mccrons to the
Speaker 2: put tune of an eight part series about them, that
Speaker 2: she's gonna keep it ten toes down. But that being said,
Speaker 2: this might also hypothetically turn out very similar to the
Speaker 2: Alex Jones Sandy Hook situation, where they stick to the
Speaker 2: narrative all the way through and they know that what
Speaker 2: they are saying is factual, and they still end up
Speaker 2: having to make a giant payment settlement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that whole Sandy Hook situation with Alex
Speaker 1: Jones and all those millions of dollars that that billion
Speaker 1: dude or billion whatever it was. It's like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: kind of made me feel some type of way, especially
Speaker 1: whenever he's up and I know that you have to
Speaker 1: kind of speak out of the side of your face
Speaker 1: whenever you're in a court, right about how he's saying
Speaker 1: that it's for entertainment, and you know, I'm just an entertainer.
Speaker 1: I'm not a newscaster. And maybe that was just a
Speaker 1: legal thing that he had to do. Maybe he didn't
Speaker 1: actually believe that. Although I don't know, I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is not to say that I
Speaker 1: think that Alex Jones has bought although I think that
Speaker 1: there's a chance. I think that there's a chance with
Speaker 1: all the bigger names like Tucker Crasson, like Candice Owns
Speaker 1: and so on.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, Tucker Crasson, he's absolutely CIA connected, look at
Speaker 2: his dad.
Speaker 1: But the same thing with Sean Ryan. I feel the
Speaker 1: same way.
Speaker 2: Sean Ryan was a CIA liaison at one point, so
Speaker 2: I don't think that he is currently a FED, but
Speaker 2: I absolutely could understand why people would make that assumption.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm not trying to diwn that hill, but I
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is is that, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: they have to control all sides, and so you know,
Speaker 1: the people at the top, they have to control all
Speaker 1: the sides, and the people that are are getting behind
Speaker 1: some of these bigger names, those are the ones that
Speaker 1: are probably most likely to rage and kind of have
Speaker 1: the anarchy against the country. So you have to feed
Speaker 1: them a couple of more peanuts more than you would
Speaker 1: the masses, right, And I think that that's really how
Speaker 1: it works, is that they, you know, the the conspiracy
Speaker 1: the bigger conspiracy channels or ones that would be labeled
Speaker 1: conspiracy channels to left wingers or whatever. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I I I sleep with one eye
Speaker 1: open with that whole situation, like all of them, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I don't even want to sit here and
Speaker 1: say that I like, I'm a complete devout believer in
Speaker 1: candas owns I'm inclined to be, Like, I'm definitely inclined
Speaker 1: to belie. I I don't think that she's I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even want to say it,
Speaker 1: but like I want to believe that she's being truthful,
Speaker 1: and you know, the right way.
Speaker 2: There's but there's a way to say stuff while still
Speaker 2: covering your ass.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's a.
Speaker 2: It's a magic phrase which legally gives you indignity when
Speaker 2: you say it is my opinion that Brigitte Macron is
Speaker 2: a male that transitioned. Okay, you're not making a statement
Speaker 2: as a fact. You are giving your opinion about something.
Speaker 2: You won't be sue for defamation when it's your opinion,
Speaker 2: because everybody is entitled to their opinions.
Speaker 3: When you make declarative factual statements.
Speaker 2: That is when we get into the realm legally where
Speaker 2: they could bring defamation charges against you.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: If Alex Jones would have been saying, I believe that
Speaker 2: Sandy Hook was a hoax, it is my opinion that.
Speaker 1: These people are crisis actors.
Speaker 2: I believe that this and this and this, they would
Speaker 2: have had a harder time bringing him in for court.
Speaker 2: The fact that he was saying these things like they
Speaker 2: were facts is how he got fried. Canis Owens has
Speaker 2: been saying these things factually not opinion.
Speaker 1: Based, but that is the issue. Let's be real. I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't talk about it, you know, because people don't
Speaker 1: talk about it because they're afraid to get the Alex
Speaker 1: Jones treatment. But there was absolutely some fuckery with that
Speaker 1: Sandy Hook shit. Am I right?
Speaker 2: It's been a long time since I looked at it. Dude,
Speaker 2: the case up at the Super Bowl or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: It's like a whole like Challenger situation, you know about
Speaker 1: all all the NASA Challenger people died and then you
Speaker 1: find them they're like exactly the same, and like the
Speaker 1: narrative is, well, they just had twins. It's like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: like there's something into all this shit. By the way,
Speaker 1: can you stop sharing the screen for just one second.
Speaker 1: I want to show this picture, and this is the
Speaker 1: picture that I was originally trying to allude to. It
Speaker 1: is uh check out this now. This is a wow.
Speaker 1: Look at this face. Okay, tell me you can't see it. No, wait,
Speaker 1: that's the same picture, dude. I know that's Ai that
Speaker 1: changed the hair. No, I know, But what I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: if you're trying to imagine what she looks like without
Speaker 1: the makeup, without the wig. If it was a full
Speaker 1: on man, it makes more sense, like you can. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that that's even a real picture, but what
Speaker 1: I am saying is like you could see it, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I've met people like that guy on
Speaker 1: the right.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, she's a handsome broad like for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, just want to throw it out there and
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, that's probably who is uh getting pounded
Speaker 1: or pounding or maybe they switch rolls in the bedroom
Speaker 1: with the switch rolls I have. And that's the other
Speaker 1: thing too. I do I think that actually, I think
Speaker 1: Emmanuel is probably the bottom, especially if he's getting slapped
Speaker 1: in the face and pushed in the face like that
Speaker 1: and kind of bitching out, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, that's what I mean. Manuel is getting pounded.
Speaker 2: I think that old brigit be doing the pounding. She's
Speaker 2: the dumb But let's even say that the top whatever, Yeah,
Speaker 2: these terms, these phrases, but okay, anyway, let's say that
Speaker 2: that is accurate and that you know, let's say that
Speaker 2: she has gone through a transition, not just the hormone transition.
Speaker 2: Let's say she turned her AUTI into an any Surgically speaking,
Speaker 2: they're talking about providing photo evidence and scientific evidence. Now
Speaker 2: we get into this kind of a situation where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you sent me a picture of yourg age, okay, and
Speaker 2: you're sent me blood results showing your estrogen levels.
Speaker 1: This is twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: That is not gonna be enough, because you could hormone
Speaker 2: infuse yourself so heavily to where doctors at the Olympics
Speaker 2: will classify this human being as a woman even though
Speaker 2: they still have a balls and a dick attached to them. Right,
Speaker 2: So the blood test outright, as far as hormones goes
Speaker 2: can't trust it. Let's say you send in a picture
Speaker 2: of a vagina, how do we know that's not a
Speaker 2: post stop by a fucking artist of a surgeon. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is absolutely a thing. They're gonna have to do
Speaker 2: DNA testing, not just a blood test to where they're
Speaker 2: looking for hormone levels. It's gonna have to be a
Speaker 2: DNA test and or an X ray. If she has
Speaker 2: fallopian tubes, then we know it's a female. If she
Speaker 2: does not, then we know that it's a male.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to see some chromosome type shit here, bro.
Speaker 2: They do these tests a lot, and it's not for
Speaker 2: the same reason. But like they do X rays millions
Speaker 2: of times a day, every single day around the world.
Speaker 2: That's not like a crazy thing to ask for. And
Speaker 2: since we can't test blood anymore, yeah, you could pull
Speaker 2: like DNA testing, sure, and they would be able to
Speaker 2: tell you if this has the double X or x
Speaker 2: Y chromosomes attached. Like, for sure, that is a thing,
Speaker 2: but it is not like a super evasive and super
Speaker 2: embarrassing and like, oh my god, I can't believe I
Speaker 2: have to do this if you've already been fighting these
Speaker 2: claims for years from YouTubers and content creators and whatever else,
Speaker 2: at this point, I'm surprised you don't have a DNA
Speaker 2: test forged ready to go on standby.
Speaker 1: So I always get those confused between the double X
Speaker 1: versus the xy. The double X is the female, the
Speaker 1: x y is the male. So if there is a
Speaker 1: Y chromosome in uh Brigitte, then uh that's a man man.
Speaker 2: That's it. It's such a simple test to do. And
Speaker 2: again we're talking about the French president. Yeah, look, we
Speaker 2: think that they don't have the ability to forge a
Speaker 2: document at this point, but that's also why it has
Speaker 2: to be done by an American doctor since it's being
Speaker 2: done in an American court, because we can't trust the
Speaker 2: French doctors.
Speaker 1: I don't need to see your muff brigid because geraltle
Speaker 1: mutilation is a thing. And you know, if you ever
Speaker 1: see like that, how they do that whole process. Whenever
Speaker 1: a man's trying to convert to a woman, they basically
Speaker 1: like they chop down the dick and they use the
Speaker 1: head of the dick as the clit. Now, right, it's
Speaker 1: a weird thing. It depends on the doctor.
Speaker 2: Some of them can't do that because the head of
Speaker 2: a dick is typically larger than a clit, so like
Speaker 2: you might be able to use a portion of it,
Speaker 2: but then you're suffering a lot of nerd nerve damage
Speaker 2: after the operation. But if nothing else, just to turn
Speaker 2: the audi into a any yeah, they like slit down it,
Speaker 2: roll it inward, and like sew it up and form
Speaker 2: it up to.
Speaker 3: Be a very shallow vagina.
Speaker 2: And then even still they have like a period ish
Speaker 2: kind of thing that happens, which is actually more or
Speaker 2: less like a bloody discharge because you just disfigured and
Speaker 2: mutilated your body, and like every so often it's just
Speaker 2: gonna ooze blood and like that's just what it is.
Speaker 2: Like it happen on my period. It's like, no, Jeff,
Speaker 2: you're not. Your body's mad at you for doing this
Speaker 2: to it. Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, I was about to say, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've I've seen some squid word noses in my day,
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. So you're gonna turn
Speaker 1: a squid word into it.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if there's even a SpongeBob comparison
Speaker 2: on that one.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there's like there's I'm not gonna get
Speaker 1: too descriptive here, but for those that know, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh, they're called they're called LP's in the community. LP's. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like if you have like a large clit, it's known
Speaker 1: as an L So like a large it's like a
Speaker 1: little penis is what they call it.
Speaker 2: Got you okay, okay, Yeah, it's this is a weird
Speaker 2: time to be alive twenty twenty five. I don't think
Speaker 2: anybody had on their bingo cards. Like if you were
Speaker 2: to tell me twenty years ago that this would be
Speaker 2: the conversation that would be in the Zeigeist on National News.
Speaker 3: I would have looked at you like you were crazy.
Speaker 2: Like what went wrong to where we're having to talk
Speaker 2: about the first Lady of France popping her pussy in
Speaker 2: a courtroom in Delaware? To to slander a content creator
Speaker 2: on YouTube?
Speaker 3: What what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Bro? But that is absolutely where we have found ourselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a weird place, but you know what, I found
Speaker 1: it interesting about how he's even he's even admitting that
Speaker 1: it's going to be a public court situation and what
Speaker 1: was it just almost well, it's like two and a half,
Speaker 1: like three years ago now with the whole Johnny Depp
Speaker 1: and Amber heard thing right, and look at the circus
Speaker 1: that that created. So I think that this is going
Speaker 1: to be such a This is gonna be like a
Speaker 1: fucking OJ spectacle, bro. Like, for sure, they're gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna try and milk it for everything that it's worth.
Speaker 2: And in my public opinion, fucking matters, dude.
Speaker 1: Oh dude. In my opinion, I think that this is
Speaker 1: going to get drawn out even longer than it needs
Speaker 1: to because and this is what they're gonna do, Like,
Speaker 1: mark my words, something big is going to be happening
Speaker 1: whenever this whole circus is going on, and people are
Speaker 1: going to be more paying more attention to this than
Speaker 1: whatever that other huge thing is. Like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. Maybe it's an alien invasion, Maybe the
Speaker 1: Epstein files come out, maybe it's something it's gonna be
Speaker 1: another fucking COVID or something crazy is going to come out.
Speaker 1: War going on, and this is going to be the
Speaker 1: thing that pacifies the people to not look into that,
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, more people were I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: especially with that whole Johnny Depp situation with Amber heard
Speaker 1: like that was happening during COVID, you know, like and
Speaker 1: a lot of people had eyes on it. I mean it.
Speaker 1: It was live on TikTok, it was live on Instagram,
Speaker 1: it was live on YouTube. People were streaming it and
Speaker 1: talking over it. And I'm just I'm saying, be on
Speaker 1: the lookout for that. This is a false flag situation.
Speaker 2: I could see one brewing. I'm gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 2: and I don't know what it's gonna be. Is it
Speaker 2: gonna be something in the cultural circus, the geopolitical circus,
Speaker 2: war aliens. I absolutely agree with you though that watch
Speaker 2: as soon as it gets to a point to where
Speaker 2: they are about to make a judgment where it could
Speaker 2: go one of two ways, right, either a Brigitte comes
Speaker 2: out as a man or b they decide on an
Speaker 2: amount that Canis OANs has to pay them. Right, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be all over the news. Every news agency's gonna
Speaker 2: be talking about it. Bo bop bop out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: look at this thing going on. Meanwhile, like Canis Owns
Speaker 2: just signs a check for a lot of money and
Speaker 2: just passes it to them, and nobody talks about it again,
Speaker 2: and she just moves on to the next topic on
Speaker 2: her podcast and just like never brings it up again.
Speaker 2: Or my people are just lost, or Brigitte just like
Speaker 2: slowly and lowly comes out like yeah, by the way.
Speaker 1: My name's Jean.
Speaker 2: Brigitte is actually Jean, and I'm just gonna go back
Speaker 2: to France with my husband, and like nobody talks about
Speaker 2: it again because there's other more important shit to talk about.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Like, if it does get to
Speaker 1: that second option, where it is it is factually correct
Speaker 1: that Brigitte is Jean Michel, Like if it is if
Speaker 1: that is known to be a thing. Then what you'll
Speaker 1: start to And I'm telling you, I don't even have
Speaker 1: a fucking palante your crystal ball right now, but I
Speaker 1: can see it happening already. What's going to happen is
Speaker 1: is that people are gonna say, see, it's okay, it's okay,
Speaker 1: we we we don't care if you're a transgender. And
Speaker 1: that's gonna get the ball rolling even more for more
Speaker 1: transgenders to start happening, and it's gonna start becoming more
Speaker 1: and more accepted. Not that we see, No, Big MIC's
Speaker 1: gonna come out and next thing you know, Jean Michel
Speaker 1: is going to be doing a lot of drag queens storytime, bro,
Speaker 1: Like just watch watch I can see it already.
Speaker 3: Or there's a third option.
Speaker 2: There is in fact a third option good cult members
Speaker 2: that possibly the same way that happened in France twice.
Speaker 1: Now the time comes for the gabbled.
Speaker 2: As slam and for justice to be served, and out
Speaker 2: of nowhere, they're just kind of acquitting of all charges
Speaker 2: and just kind of mistrialing it and just kind of
Speaker 2: moving on and nothing ever gets confirmed or denied, nobody
Speaker 2: ever has to pay out a certain amount, and everybody
Speaker 2: just goes home and nobody talks about it anymore. That's
Speaker 2: also a third.
Speaker 1: Option, and uh, Gilain Maxwell dies while people are waiting
Speaker 1: on this verdict. I could see that.
Speaker 2: I could absolutely see that being the thing. It gets
Speaker 2: everybody's attention over there. But France is not gonna forget
Speaker 2: about this shit, d which I mean again, what's France
Speaker 2: gonna do to us?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, it's wild thing. Either either Giselaine is
Speaker 1: going to die or the group of women that are
Speaker 1: saying that, Like, dude, this is real. We have all
Speaker 1: the evidence. We're waiting for the political system and the
Speaker 1: justice justice system to do their part so that we
Speaker 1: don't have to. I would not be shocked if we
Speaker 1: start calling out some of those names in the obituaries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. So I'm just I'm just saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I could be crazy, but I believe this is the
Speaker 1: third eye open conversation. I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I'm not negating the possibility of any of these options.
Speaker 1: Honestly, they all have a possibility at this time. Now,
Speaker 1: this being said, getting back.
Speaker 2: To the Clayre Locke Attorneys at law firm.
Speaker 1: So here's the deal.
Speaker 2: When the dominion case came out and they did win it.
Speaker 3: It actually tore their law firm apart.
Speaker 2: A lot of upper echelon lawyers left the firm because
Speaker 2: they realized that, like, yo, if this is how y'all
Speaker 2: are going to be getting down on doing these high
Speaker 2: profile defamation cases where it's fuck shit start to finish, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm trying.
Speaker 1: To be an actual lawyer here.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be associated with this dog and
Speaker 2: pony show in media circus, So like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: All right, there was a New York Times article that
Speaker 2: was posted on this and as I tried pulling it up,
Speaker 2: it kept asking me to pay for it. But what
Speaker 2: I could see, actually, this reddit article or Reddit thread,
Speaker 2: I guess you could say, is like pretty much word
Speaker 2: for word what the New York's Times was talking about,
Speaker 2: and it breaks down how and why the Claire Luck
Speaker 2: law firm got torn apart after it.
Speaker 3: If we want to get into this one, sure.
Speaker 1: Last April, dozens of lawyers and their guests gathered at
Speaker 1: the Columbus Inn in Wilmington, Delaware, the Revered restaurant with
Speaker 1: is it revered? Yeah? Restaurant with roots tracing back more
Speaker 1: than two centuries was once a hangout for Buffalo bill
Speaker 1: Oh shout out. Yet on this cloudless night, the crowd
Speaker 1: would have been happy to be partying almost anywhere. Hours earlier,
Speaker 1: the lawyers and their client, Dominion Voting Systems, had negotiated
Speaker 1: an extraordinary seven hundred and eighty seven million dollar settlement
Speaker 1: with Fox News. The deal was struck moments before opening
Speaker 1: arguments in a hotly anticipated defamation trial in which Fox
Speaker 1: was accused of airing inflammatory lies that Dominion had thwarted
Speaker 1: Donald Jay Trump in the twenty twenty presidential election.
Speaker 2: Now the company for the opening arguments, Dude, before they
Speaker 2: even really got cooking, they had already thrown their credibility out,
Speaker 2: and they realized, like, fuck, we're not gonna waste their
Speaker 2: buy his time here.
Speaker 1: We know we already lost this bitch. White Flags, White Flags. Yep.
Speaker 1: So now the company's two main law firms could enjoy
Speaker 1: the spoils. Susman Godfree would pocket a thick slice of
Speaker 1: the settlement that Fox had just wired over. Claire Locke,
Speaker 1: a smaller firm that specializes in the niche field of
Speaker 1: defamation law, wouldn't get a cut of this settlement. But
Speaker 1: Dominion had already paid it millions of dollars in fees,
Speaker 1: and the victory offered the firm the potential for something
Speaker 1: even greater. Run by the husband and wife team of
Speaker 1: Tom Claire and Libby Locke, the firm had helped popularize
Speaker 1: efforts by wealthy and powerful clients to attack news organizations
Speaker 1: and delegitimize or kill unfavorable articles. Miss Locke in particular,
Speaker 1: had taken to publicly arguing that much of the news
Speaker 1: media was unethical, though she also voiced support for free speech.
Speaker 1: The triumph against Fox gave the firm's founders an opportunity
Speaker 1: to widen their appeal. They could argue that Claire Locke
Speaker 1: was not an enemy of the free press or the
Speaker 1: First Amendment, but a champion of truth and a guardian
Speaker 1: of democracy. I love when they used that. At the
Speaker 1: Columbus end, the exhausted but jubilant lawyers drank and toasted
Speaker 1: one another, laid into the evening. Celebrating tonight. Miss Locke
Speaker 1: wrote in an email at ten fifty five pm, she added,
Speaker 1: it's a bit crazy here on our end. It was
Speaker 1: even crazier than she realized. The case had made legal history,
Speaker 1: but it also tore apart the firm. Friction among lawyers
Speaker 1: at Claire Locke had been building for years, and much
Speaker 1: of it centered on Miss Locke. Her colleagues chafed at
Speaker 1: her management style. Some feared that her public embrace of
Speaker 1: conservative causes, including on Fox News, was alienating clients.
Speaker 2: Indeed, so essentially the half of the lawyers that worked
Speaker 2: there quit as soon as they won their biggest and.
Speaker 1: Most notable case ever.
Speaker 2: They were just like, all right, you know, we're just
Speaker 2: we're not gonna play this game. We can see the
Speaker 2: writing on the walls of where y'all are headed, and
Speaker 2: we want no part of it.
Speaker 1: Now. Let's get over here to newsweek fact check.
Speaker 2: Do Brigerit Macrone's tax records show her with a male name?
Speaker 2: This is a claim that has been made this week,
Speaker 2: and apparently there's a little more to the story than
Speaker 2: what initially meets the eye.
Speaker 1: So let's get into this one together here. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: But anyway, there are multiple social media posts saying that
Speaker 1: France's first lady, Brigitte Macrone is listed under a male
Speaker 1: name and official French government records. It comes amid long
Speaker 1: standing Internet rumors the Macrome was born male and transitioned
Speaker 1: later in life, adopting the name Brigitte, which she and
Speaker 1: her husband have repeatedly denied. The viral allegations originating from
Speaker 1: fringe French commentators and amplified by a conservative commentator Candice Owens,
Speaker 1: claiming Macrone's real name is Jean Michelle troug No, who
Speaker 1: is in fact Macrone's brother. It's pretty fucked up the claim,
Speaker 1: which I mean, I would imagine that whole you know,
Speaker 1: the hands of the face gesture on the plane. You
Speaker 1: could probably check that up to brotherly love, Am I right?
Speaker 1: Brothers giving each other a hard time? Yeah, dude, whatever.
Speaker 1: So the claim was posted by an account called the
Speaker 1: General at General MCN news or mc news, who said
Speaker 1: breaking French President Emmanuel Macrone's wife, brigitde Macrone discovered that
Speaker 1: her tax account on France's official government website listeder as
Speaker 1: male under the name of Jean Michelle. This post went viral,
Speaker 1: with more than eight million views as of Monday. Let's
Speaker 1: go dude, she discovered it or she acknowledged. Owen shared
Speaker 1: this post and at least one other like it from
Speaker 1: a different account. Owens told Newsweek in a statement in quotes,
Speaker 1: it really is time for Brigitte Macrone to tell the truth.
Speaker 1: She was born a male. The entire world knows, and
Speaker 1: it is now painful to watch this couple continue to
Speaker 1: twist the fabric of the truth. She was not hacked,
Speaker 1: which is why no one has been arrested for such hacking.
Speaker 1: She simply is, or rather was, Jean Michelle. That is
Speaker 1: a good point. That being said, there have been some arrests. Actually,
Speaker 1: let's continue. Tom Claire, lawyer for the Macrones, previously told
Speaker 1: the BBC about quotes expert testimony that will come out
Speaker 1: that will be scientific in nature, which would show in
Speaker 1: quotes both generically or said yeah, generically, okay, generically and
Speaker 1: specifically that the allegations are false. Newsweek has contacted Pelais
Speaker 1: del Elisi via email for comment.
Speaker 2: All right, so let's get into it. Here's the facts
Speaker 2: surrounding it again. This is as a time recording, very
Speaker 2: subject to change more information comes out.
Speaker 1: French authorities have said that the name Jean Michelle did
Speaker 1: appear on Macrone's personal tax account, but not as a
Speaker 1: result of any official documentation, because her account had been
Speaker 1: hacked and altered by outside actors. Tristan brom Bromet, I'm guessing.
Speaker 1: Macrone's chief of staff told French broadcaster BFMTV that they
Speaker 1: were completely surprised to find the name changed to Jean
Speaker 1: Michelle known as Brigitte Macrone in a section on the
Speaker 1: tax portal meant to be uneditable. Oh interesting. The French
Speaker 1: First Lady has filed a criminal complaint. Multiple French outlets
Speaker 1: have reported, including TV mag, and two individuals have been
Speaker 1: identified all right. The hack profile feeds into a broader,
Speaker 1: long running conspiracy theory, one that has been consistently denied
Speaker 1: by the Macrones. Earlier this year, President Immanuel Macrone and
Speaker 1: Burgitte Macrone filed a US defamation lawsuit against Candice Owans,
Speaker 1: who publicly claimed the French First Lady was a man
Speaker 1: named Jean Michelle trock No. In their complaint, the couple wrote,
Speaker 1: missus or miss Owen's campaign of defamation was plainly designed
Speaker 1: to harass and cause pain to us and our families,
Speaker 1: and to garner attention and notoriety. Their attorney, Tom Claire
Speaker 1: told the BBC's Fame under Fire podcast that Brigitte Macron
Speaker 1: is prepared to present scientific evidence in court to refute
Speaker 1: the claims. She has firmly resolved to do what it
Speaker 1: takes to set the record straight. Claire said, all.
Speaker 2: Right, now, let's talk about the ruling on these things.
Speaker 2: There was no arrest being made in all these things,
Speaker 2: allegedly according to this publication.
Speaker 1: This is false. It's all about timing, though. I would
Speaker 1: like to know the timing on these things, because if
Speaker 1: this is a newer thing that only comes after Candice
Speaker 1: has been talking about it, I'm looking at it side eyed,
Speaker 1: but ongoing. It happened two days ago.
Speaker 3: This article was published two days ago.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'm already looking at it like sketchy because
Speaker 1: you would probably start the criminal complaints as you know,
Speaker 1: these defamations are coming in. But if it has been
Speaker 1: on your fucking tax records for the past couple of years,
Speaker 1: as it is suggesting, then this is not like a
Speaker 1: happenstance that you just find out about two days ago,
Speaker 1: or at least as of time of reporting.
Speaker 2: So they are saying by day I mean, the French
Speaker 2: government is saying that actually she has not been listed
Speaker 2: as a male for years. This got changed here in
Speaker 2: the past few weeks by a hacker group.
Speaker 1: Well they can say that, but can they prove It's
Speaker 1: my question. Ah I'm with you. I'm with you, so
Speaker 1: it says false. French authorities have confirmed that the appearance
Speaker 1: of a male name in Briget mccrone's tax records was
Speaker 1: the result of a cyber attack, not confirmation of any
Speaker 1: official identity, especially after they said that it was like unhackable.
Speaker 1: Well they said it was supposed to be unhackable.
Speaker 2: But as we have learned so many times over now,
Speaker 2: if there is electricity being ran to it, it can
Speaker 2: be hacked like that.
Speaker 3: That is not even a point of argument at this point.
Speaker 1: But anyways, for sure, it's possible that somebody hacked it. Like,
Speaker 1: of course that has to be a possibility. But it's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting, Like I would like to find out when
Speaker 1: these people had charges pressed up against them and did
Speaker 1: it happen, you know, we pressed up against them. You
Speaker 1: mean that like tucked in the belt a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, they are tuck between the shoulder blades, depending
Speaker 1: on how the angle of the angle is, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, you know, there's only so much duct
Speaker 1: tape in the world. But but anyway, all right, so
Speaker 1: this is Brigitte Macrone's gender change to mail on tax
Speaker 1: forms by hackers by gb News. This is Great Britain
Speaker 1: News Man gb News, but.
Speaker 2: They go into a little more detail as far as
Speaker 2: the situation's concerned.
Speaker 1: A French government official has said that Brigitte Macrone was
Speaker 1: given a male name on her personal tax records by hackers.
Speaker 1: The first Lady of France has had her gender question
Speaker 1: by conspiracy theorists online for a number of years. Missus
Speaker 1: Macrone has been falsely claimed to have been born a
Speaker 1: male and that her real name is Jean Mei Michelle Tragna,
Speaker 1: her maiden name is Trogna, and she has a brother
Speaker 1: called Jean Michel. Pause intrusting.
Speaker 2: So at first they were making it seem like that
Speaker 2: was Macrone, his Manuel's brother named Jean Michel. Now they're
Speaker 2: saying that Trogue Noa is actually her maiden name and
Speaker 2: she has a brother named Jean Michelle. Or maybe they
Speaker 2: just didn't give a distinction as to when they said
Speaker 2: Macrone's brother. Maybe they mint Brigitte instead of a manual.
Speaker 2: But you feel like you would have given that distinction.
Speaker 2: Fucking news agencies. But anyway, yeah, that's continued. Yes, she
Speaker 2: has a brother or had This brother has fallen off
Speaker 2: the map. Nobody has seen him for years and years,
Speaker 2: although there have been some pictures at a surface of
Speaker 2: an elderly gentleman that claims that he is her brother,
Speaker 2: Jean Michelle Tragne. But again, how can we verify that?
Speaker 1: I mean she he should verify it.
Speaker 3: She has claimed that that's accurate.
Speaker 2: But we, as the people that are questioning this whole situation,
Speaker 2: there's no way of us knowing that this picture of
Speaker 2: a random French dude is in fact her brother, or
Speaker 2: is that some random stock image that they found and
Speaker 2: claimed that this is her?
Speaker 1: E see what I'm saying. Yeah, Ai is a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: It is. It is so anyhow, it says people have
Speaker 1: been hacking into her personal tax account and changing her
Speaker 1: name to Jean Michel known as Bridget Brigitte Macron. My
Speaker 1: thing is, why would you change it? If you're a hacker,
Speaker 1: why would you You can pick literally any name, why
Speaker 1: would you change it to the brother's name.
Speaker 2: Well, the conspiracy theory here is that her brother became her.
Speaker 1: Oh we got a whole Lady Gaga situation going on here.
Speaker 2: Yes, that basically, Jean Michel one day decided, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm a lady now and I'm going by the name
Speaker 2: Brigitte and Jean Michel troc No just fell off the map.
Speaker 2: Nobody's seen or heard from him in thirty years. But
Speaker 2: Burgitte Macrone, first time she ever made an appearance ever ever,
Speaker 2: was of about thirty years.
Speaker 3: It's like one of those types of things.
Speaker 1: Oh man, this just got harrier. So anyway, known as
Speaker 1: Jean Michelle, known as Brigitte Macrone. Mister Bromet revealed the
Speaker 1: detail in an interview with the French news channel where
Speaker 1: he recountered how recounted how President Emmanuel Macrone's wife was
Speaker 1: stunned to see that her legal name had been changed
Speaker 1: when logging into her personal tax account. We were completely surprised,
Speaker 1: Rome said. I tried it again with her and sure enough,
Speaker 1: it's a section reserved for your username, so it can't
Speaker 1: be changed. If it can't be changed, how did he
Speaker 1: get changed?
Speaker 3: Unless the website was hacked?
Speaker 2: Possibly, But also I could see it if that's just
Speaker 2: kind of the legal tax id name that has always
Speaker 2: been associated with this account, and why would you change
Speaker 2: it if it's more of an alias thing.
Speaker 1: I get it. Unless this is a whole stolen identity
Speaker 1: situation where Jean Michelle actually is the real person or
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, this is.
Speaker 2: Jean Michelle is the dead name, Jonathan, do not dead
Speaker 2: name her?
Speaker 1: You beg it. But what if like the brother is
Speaker 1: trying to be the sisters.
Speaker 3: That's what it is, That's what they're suggesting.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. Stolen identity.
Speaker 2: It's a tranny that is saying, don't call me by
Speaker 2: my dead name of Jean Michel, my name is Brigitte.
Speaker 1: Now, oh man, Okay, So wait in this situation where
Speaker 1: Jean Michelle is Brigitte's brother, I mean, are we sitting
Speaker 1: here and saying that like Brigitte either a never existed
Speaker 1: or did exist, but Jean Jean Michelle took her place.
Speaker 3: So there's a couple of different theories.
Speaker 2: The biggest one that there ha been on the on
Speaker 2: the interwebs, in the sphere, if you will, is that
Speaker 2: Jean Michel woke up one day and decided that he
Speaker 2: is going to be Brigitte. Now, this human being calling
Speaker 2: themselves Brigitte Macrone claims that they also have a brother
Speaker 2: named Jean Michelle, but nobody has seen or heard from
Speaker 2: him from decades. But now Brigitte is the one in
Speaker 2: the limelight, so to speak. Female is nine horn Kinehorn
Speaker 2: is finkle.
Speaker 1: Are you with me? Yeah? I mean, are the parents
Speaker 1: dead or the grandparents dead, anybody from this fucking family
Speaker 1: and alive to be able to confirm that there were
Speaker 1: two kids and not just one.
Speaker 2: That's the thing they have been asking for family photos.
Speaker 2: Any picture of Brigitte Macrone as a child, anything, just
Speaker 2: one picture, one school picture from when she was a kid,
Speaker 2: would would suffice. And I have seen I was talking
Speaker 2: about that at the beginning of the episode. There is
Speaker 2: a picture that I have seen that surface of her
Speaker 2: as a child. But keep in mind, AI is a motherfucker,
Speaker 2: So like, how can we verify if this is just
Speaker 2: a digital image or this is actually a family photo
Speaker 2: or something like this? It is allegedly and I am
Speaker 2: putting quotes on that Brigitte as a young girl, and
Speaker 2: she looks like she's dressed as a nun and I'm
Speaker 2: assuming she went to like a very preppy Catholic boarding
Speaker 2: school type of situation, Like that was the uniform that
Speaker 2: they were wearing or whatever, and you could almost barely
Speaker 2: see in the face how it kind of looks like Brigitte.
Speaker 1: But brother, it is a hard sale.
Speaker 2: It's a hard sale to be honest, and again, we
Speaker 2: honestly cannot verify if that's an AI image or if
Speaker 2: that's a real picture of her as a child. No
Speaker 2: pictures of her as a kid in school, in college.
Speaker 2: The school where allegedly Manuel in her first met, has
Speaker 2: no record of Brigitte Macrone ever working there, even though
Speaker 2: she claims that she was a teacher when they met.
Speaker 2: The more you look at it, the more layers of
Speaker 2: this onion you peel back, the more questions you end
Speaker 2: up having.
Speaker 1: This is a Bob Lazar kind of situation where he
Speaker 1: never worked at S four kind of thing. Maybe, eh, well,
Speaker 1: I guess it's a government cover up with the bab
Speaker 1: Blazart thing. But for her, it seems like she just
Speaker 1: popped out of literally nowhere. And also, you know, this
Speaker 1: is smelling a lot like you know, Michelle Obama situation,
Speaker 1: because there are no photos of her as a young lady.
Speaker 1: There's no, dude, there's not even photos. You now, they
Speaker 1: have two kids, you know, the Obama's right, there's no
Speaker 1: photos of those kids as babies.
Speaker 3: There's no photos of her pregnant.
Speaker 1: So weird.
Speaker 2: And again I've said it before, look at the kids
Speaker 2: that they left the White House with as opposed to
Speaker 2: the two kids they had going into the White House. No,
Speaker 2: I understand that you'll age a lot in eight years. Dude,
Speaker 2: these kids are not the same children they got swapped
Speaker 2: out somewhere.
Speaker 1: In season two. Honestly, dude, this is like a whole
Speaker 1: fresh prince of bel Air. Whenever they tried selling off
Speaker 1: Will's and viv Yeah yeah, they swapped out an Viv
Speaker 1: like nobody was gonna notice. It was literally this Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so weird. So anyway, it says his interview is part
Speaker 1: of a documentary ahead of a trial starting on Monday
Speaker 1: in the Paris Criminal Court where eight men and two
Speaker 1: women are facing allegations of sexist cyber bullying against missus mcrone.
Speaker 3: So this is the other clincher.
Speaker 2: Although they're saying, well, if it's not real, then how
Speaker 2: come nobody's been arrested.
Speaker 1: If it was a real hacking into her tax.
Speaker 2: Records and all this, why has nobody been arrested Although
Speaker 2: there have been eight men and two women have been
Speaker 2: arrested and they are facing possible charges about the hacking
Speaker 2: of her tax records, But now we.
Speaker 1: Don't know when, when did that happen?
Speaker 2: We don't know when as of now, and we also
Speaker 2: don't know for sure if this is also going to
Speaker 2: be one of those things where it gets brushed under
Speaker 2: the rug and nobody actually gets any quote unquote justice
Speaker 2: doled out to them.
Speaker 1: We don't know. And do we know the names of
Speaker 1: the alleged hackers, they haven't released them yet.
Speaker 3: This is very very new. This is only posted a
Speaker 3: couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: So anyway, the.
Speaker 2: Whole thing about her tax information that only came out
Speaker 2: this week. So we are recording this on Wednesday. As
Speaker 2: of recording, I only first heard about this on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess we'll see how it pans out.
Speaker 1: But anyhow, it says mister and missus mcrone also filed
Speaker 1: a separate lawsuit against conservative influencer Candice Owens. Owens produced
Speaker 1: an eight part podcast series which claimed that Missus Macrone
Speaker 1: is transgender. The defendants in the trial in France include
Speaker 1: an elected official, gallery owner, teacher, medium, and computer scientists.
Speaker 1: Oh a medium, a medium, a gallery owner, and elected official,
Speaker 1: a computer scientist, a teacher. Their ages range between forty
Speaker 1: one and sixty.
Speaker 2: These are the people that allegedly were the quote unquote
Speaker 2: hackers that changed the name, or at least they're being
Speaker 2: implemented in the defamation lawsuit.
Speaker 1: It's wild. That's weird, Okay. So it says they stand
Speaker 1: accused of making a number of malicious comments about missus
Speaker 1: Macrone and equating the age difference with her husband twenty
Speaker 1: four years with pedophilia. You can't deny, Yeah, you cannot
Speaker 1: deny that.
Speaker 2: According to the official narrative, she was thirty nine and
Speaker 2: he was fourteen. I'm sorry, no, that would be pedophilia.
Speaker 2: There's no way you could sidestep that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, even if like, and we've all heard of
Speaker 1: situations like you know, like teachers kind of teaching their
Speaker 1: students whenever they were thirteen, fourteen, fifteen kind of situation.
Speaker 1: Then they end up married. It's like, dude, you knew
Speaker 1: them when they were a child. That is weird that
Speaker 1: y'all are together now. It's very it's very, very strange.
Speaker 1: It's so weird. But it says forty one year old
Speaker 1: advertising executive Orlane Orlane Porson Atlin, posted under the pseudonym
Speaker 1: Zoe Sagan and was identified as one of the people
Speaker 1: who allegedly spread lives in conspiracy theories. He is accused
Speaker 1: also accused of sharing explicit videos of the president's mayoral
Speaker 1: candidate for Paris in twenty twenty, Benjamin Griveaux Mister Graveaux,
Speaker 1: was forced to withdraw from the race after being accused
Speaker 1: of sending sexual content to a woman who was not
Speaker 1: his wife, Delphine Delphine Delphiyep Delphine Jagoose Jagoose. It was
Speaker 1: fifty one under the pseudonym Aman Dean Roy or imagine
Speaker 1: it's waw. We'll be back in court after being cleared
Speaker 1: of defamation charges by a French court in July, she
Speaker 1: will face cyber bullying charges. Or Missus Jagoose and Natasha
Speaker 1: Ray falsely claimed that Missus Macrone was a man and
Speaker 1: described the first Lady as a swindle. There Rumors resurfaced
Speaker 1: when Missus Owens released her series Becoming Brigitte. And you
Speaker 1: know it's funny, like I know why she did that
Speaker 1: because there was a Michelle Obama book where it was
Speaker 1: called Becoming So people were like elluding that, oh, you're
Speaker 1: becoming like transitioning a little bit h up. So the
Speaker 1: couple's lawyer said Missus mcrone would present photographic and scientific
Speaker 1: evidence to prove an American to an American court that
Speaker 1: she is a biological woman.
Speaker 3: Possibly possibly, we don't know that for sure.
Speaker 2: So anyway, as far as this goes, when Candice is saying, well,
Speaker 2: why hasn't anybody been arrested, there have been ten arrests now,
Speaker 2: no convictions as of yet, there have been ten people
Speaker 2: that have at least been arrested for these charges. We
Speaker 2: still need to see what's going to happen when they
Speaker 2: face court. Now, let's talk a little bit more about
Speaker 2: the ten that are standing trial in Paris over sexist
Speaker 2: cyberbullying of Brigitte Macron.
Speaker 1: This is from RF five. This is an airnational news source.
Speaker 2: Eight men and two women go on trial in Paris
Speaker 2: on Monday and Tuesday, accused of sexist online bullying of
Speaker 2: France's First Lady, Brigitte Macrone slash First Training. The defendants
Speaker 2: are aids between forty one and sixty. They include an
Speaker 2: elected official, gallery owner, teacher, medium, and IT specialist.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm gonna be with you.
Speaker 2: Of all the people that were hacking in and changing
Speaker 2: the tax records and things, I feel like the IT
Speaker 2: specialist is probably the only one that might might actually
Speaker 2: have some know how of how to hack into the
Speaker 2: French government's tax system.
Speaker 1: Hey dude, don't throw inn a shade on the medium,
Speaker 1: could have received a that's so raven type download on
Speaker 1: how to do it? You know?
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, totally possibly.
Speaker 2: They are accused of posting malicious comments online about Brigitie
Speaker 2: Macrone's gender and sexuality, and of comparing her age gap
Speaker 2: with her husband to pedophilia. The Paris Prosecutor's office says
Speaker 2: the investigation followed a complaint lodged by Margitite Macrone on
Speaker 2: twenty seventh of August twenty twenty four, and it led
Speaker 2: to several waves of arrests in December of twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four and February of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Now the trial over the online abuse. Oh shure got
Speaker 3: a zoom out for this one.
Speaker 1: I'm bad.
Speaker 3: I zoomed in so I could read better because my eyes.
Speaker 1: And what he used to be.
Speaker 2: Investigators said they selected one of the most virulent offenders.
Speaker 2: If convicted, the accused face up to two years in prison.
Speaker 2: Brageite Mcron's lawyer, Jean Anoki, which, again, if you want
Speaker 2: to look into jeanainoke to any of the good cult
Speaker 2: members and see that there is some fuck shit involved
Speaker 2: with his past as far as who he's represented, but
Speaker 2: we are not going there right now. Has not confirmed
Speaker 2: whether she will attend the hearing. The lawyer has not
Speaker 2: confirmed if they will be attending the hearing.
Speaker 3: But all right, all right, sidestepping that.
Speaker 2: Among the accused is forty one year old advertising executive
Speaker 2: Aurelian Posson. We already talked about that one his ex account,
Speaker 2: it was a pseudon and the he was going under
Speaker 2: saying Zoe Sagan. His x account, since suspended, has been
Speaker 2: the subject of several complaints and is often described as
Speaker 2: being linked to conspiracy circles. We also talked about old
Speaker 2: diff Delphine, a fifty one year old medium self style
Speaker 2: journalists and quote unquote whistleblower known online as Amandine Roy.
Speaker 2: She played a major role in the spreading of the
Speaker 2: rumor that Brigitte Macrome born shrog No was a transgender
Speaker 2: woman whose birthname was Jean Michelle.
Speaker 1: Referring to her brother.
Speaker 2: Delphine was convicted of defamation by French court in September
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, alongside independent journalists, Natcha Ray, we
Speaker 2: already talked about these things. They were to pay several
Speaker 2: thousand euro in damages and five thousand to Jean Michelle
Speaker 2: trock No.
Speaker 1: She was later.
Speaker 2: Acquitted on appeal on July tenth of this year. Brigitte
Speaker 2: Macrone and her brother have lodged an appeal before the
Speaker 2: Court of Causation against that ruling. Now they don't give
Speaker 2: any other names as far as this goes. They bring
Speaker 2: up ten people, but only two of them. They actually
Speaker 2: talk about the medium and the journalist. But now we
Speaker 2: talk about it going to it goes to the claims
Speaker 2: that spread to the United States. The trial comes a
Speaker 2: few days after the BFMTV documentary revealed that the first
Speaker 2: Ladies Online tax file have been hacked in September of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and her name changed to Jean Michelle.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me that a year ago it was
Speaker 2: brought to her attention that her name on her taxes
Speaker 2: had been shifted. Interesting and also, why is that just
Speaker 2: now hitting Candace Owens's desk or anybody any journalist that's
Speaker 2: been really looking into this. Her eight part series did
Speaker 2: not bring up this tax id change in the name.
Speaker 2: You feel like with her, with her level of deep diving,
Speaker 2: she would have found that and this court case about it.
Speaker 1: But I digress. I didn't watch a part series, so
Speaker 1: I can't say fair.
Speaker 2: Miss McCrone filed a lawsuit to find out where the
Speaker 2: change had come from, and investigators identified two people. Tristan Bromant,
Speaker 2: her chief of staff, said the claim that the French
Speaker 2: First Lady was born a man rease a first surface
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: We already talked about that.
Speaker 2: The far right podcaster can Of Owens release of video
Speaker 2: series Becoming Brigitte.
Speaker 1: In March.
Speaker 2: Owen said that she would stake her entire professional reputation
Speaker 2: on the claim that Brigitte was born a male. In
Speaker 2: late July, the presidential couple launched legal action in the
Speaker 2: US against Owens for defamation. Several of those on trial
Speaker 2: in Paris are accused of a amplifying content for Owens.
Speaker 2: A doctor Time magazine cover shows Brigitte Macrone as Man.
Speaker 1: Of the Year, with the caption excellent. I hadn't seen the.
Speaker 2: Time magazine meme Man of the Year with Brigitte Macron.
Speaker 2: Another post a defendant share claims that two thousand people
Speaker 2: were ready to go door to door in a means
Speaker 2: to get to the bottom of the Brigitte affair, promising
Speaker 2: the involvement of the American bloggers. Basically, they're saying, because
Speaker 2: she came from Amines, I'm probably mispronouncing the word the
Speaker 2: city in France, And basically they're saying, they like, Yo,
Speaker 2: We're just gonna go door to door and ask any
Speaker 2: of the old timers do they remember this person, like
Speaker 2: do they have any record of her, any memory of
Speaker 2: this girl.
Speaker 3: At all, and that of course hasn't happened.
Speaker 2: President Emmanuel Macrone has called the accusation against his wife
Speaker 2: false and fabricated. On the International Woman's Day of this year,
Speaker 2: he said the worst thing that the false information and
Speaker 2: fabrication scenarios people eventually believe them. So we do not
Speaker 2: know for sure what is going to take place and
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen as far as is concerned. What we
Speaker 2: do know for sure is that there have been people
Speaker 2: arrested on this case in France. There have been other people,
Speaker 2: content creators or YouTubers or talking heads, whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call them, that have tried to bring this up
Speaker 2: to the public zeitgeist, and they were brought to justice
Speaker 2: quote unquote, and then usually the cases were acquitted and
Speaker 2: nobody really had to pay anything. There is only one
Speaker 2: case that medium had to pay five thousand eurow Tubergit
Speaker 2: and five thousand to our brother. That's not a lot
Speaker 2: as far as like a mass defamation against the first
Speaker 2: lady of your nation goes. You would think that that
Speaker 2: would be a hefty payout five k. Like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what the media and household income in France is,
Speaker 2: but I feel like that's not something that's going to
Speaker 2: ruin your financial future. You'll probably be able to bounce
Speaker 2: back from that in a few months, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean it's hard to speak
Speaker 1: on a lot of it, you know, especially whenever you're
Speaker 1: regarding different justice systems. I don't know how things go
Speaker 1: over there, you know. Yeah, maybe that's a lot. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's a lot for most people.
Speaker 1: Most people don't have five grands sitting in their bank account.
Speaker 1: But that being said, it's like even if you took
Speaker 1: out a loan for five grand, it's not gonna crush you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually gonna look up what is that converted
Speaker 2: to dollars? Just so we all get a good understanding
Speaker 2: of it. That's fifty eight hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: I was about to say probably six grand around there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it's not again, it's not great,
Speaker 2: it's not fun, but it's also not.
Speaker 1: Going to ruin your entire life. Right.
Speaker 2: So, as of right now, there is still some more
Speaker 2: controversy surrounding the Brigitte Macrone slash Jean Michelle Trock No conversation.
Speaker 2: A lot of things are still gonna be coming out
Speaker 2: here in the next few weeks and months. But again,
Speaker 2: the main three options that I see taking place here,
Speaker 2: like we talked about earlier, Jonathan, and I think that
Speaker 2: you and I are both in agreement on this one.
Speaker 2: A she does in fact provide evidence, and American doctors
Speaker 2: verify this too, and Candace has to come out of
Speaker 2: pocket a lot.
Speaker 3: It's very similar to the Alex Jones case.
Speaker 1: Number two.
Speaker 2: She comes forward, drops the bass in her voice, and
Speaker 2: acknowledges that she is in fact a dude. Once the
Speaker 2: doctors try to run those those tests and find why
Speaker 2: chromosomes could be or three, it gets blasted everywhere. It
Speaker 2: becomes the biggest talking point of the month, and then
Speaker 2: some other thing kind of takes the people's attention away
Speaker 2: from it, and low key, they just kind of dismiss everything.
Speaker 1: Hush hush, goes quiet.
Speaker 2: They make Candace sign a paper that says that she'll
Speaker 2: stop talking about it, and we just move on to
Speaker 2: the next topic, or.
Speaker 1: Where are you at with this? Or World War three
Speaker 1: happens and everybody goes into martial law and nothing happens.
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess that's always a fourth option.
Speaker 2: You know, sure nukes could drop and then it's nobody's
Speaker 2: problem anymore.
Speaker 1: Yea, yea, yeah, I mean fair, fair enough. We got
Speaker 1: the aliens on our side dismantling the nuke, So I
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be a nuke situation. Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1: We'll see if that happens. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: But as far as this is concerned, where are you
Speaker 2: more leaning? I gotta say, of those three options, and
Speaker 2: going off of the precedents that they've already done with
Speaker 2: other defamation cases about her being a tranny, I think
Speaker 2: it's a lot more likely that it will be a
Speaker 2: look over here, not over there. Nobody's gonna pay out
Speaker 2: any money, nobody's gonna get their their day in court.
Speaker 2: And vindication to say yes, I was right, No, you
Speaker 2: were right. Whatever, I think it's gonna go away quietly.
Speaker 2: They're gonna close the case, dismiss it, claim it's a mistrial,
Speaker 2: and it's just gonna go away into the dust.
Speaker 1: That where are you at with that's probably the most
Speaker 1: likely outcome. Now, I absolutely agree that it is some
Speaker 1: sort of a magic trick, like whatever comes of this,
Speaker 1: there there is a you know, sleight of handkind in
Speaker 1: a situation as far as garnering the the attention from
Speaker 1: most people, not even only of this country, but I
Speaker 1: would say, you know, a lot of the world's probably
Speaker 1: paying attention to it, right, And I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think that it's possible that both kind of come away
Speaker 1: unscathed and it gets swept under the rug and there's
Speaker 1: a handshake and Candas continues during her show, Brigitte Macrone
Speaker 1: continues to pull her dick out and stand up whenever
Speaker 1: she peas it's entirely I mean not Candas, Brigitte does yo,
Speaker 1: have you heard that theory? The canvas is a man?
Speaker 1: I hope, oh my god, I've heard it.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I believe it at all, because I
Speaker 2: was all so gay for her.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, dude, I would you you'd see
Speaker 1: a shift, You'd see a shift. Just throwing it out there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: There is some people on the Internet that are saying
Speaker 2: that all of this is to dissuade us from looking
Speaker 2: between Candas's legs, because apparently she's a man, and it's
Speaker 2: it's all the sleight of hand, it's all it's like.
Speaker 1: In this day and age. I don't even know if
Speaker 1: I would be I would I would be colored somewhat shocked,
Speaker 1: but not entirely shocked.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 2: Never mind the fact that she has a bunch of kids,
Speaker 2: Like she was pregnant for like five years off and on,
Speaker 2: and there's tons of pictures and like it's she like
Speaker 2: that would take a lot more doing as far as
Speaker 2: trying to keep up a narrative that she's actually a
Speaker 2: man that was pretending to be pregnant in this, that
Speaker 2: and the third. And I've also heard people say that
Speaker 2: that might be the reason why she is Before I
Speaker 2: say this to all the good Lady cult members out there,
Speaker 2: please don't come after Jacob.
Speaker 1: I'm repeating what other.
Speaker 2: People on the UH in the talking head space and
Speaker 2: the conspiracy and the podcasting game have said this is
Speaker 2: not Jacob's opinion, but some people are saying that because
Speaker 2: someone she's like four kids, Like, she's been pregnant for
Speaker 2: like five years, for a majority of those five years,
Speaker 2: and when you look at the amount of hormones and
Speaker 2: the amount of mental stress that puts you in and
Speaker 2: postpartum and all these things, and you couple that with
Speaker 2: the fact that she just lost one of her alleged
Speaker 2: best friends and all these things, that might be why
Speaker 2: she's lost her goddamn mind when it comes to all
Speaker 2: these things about Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3: I am not saying that I agree with that narrative.
Speaker 2: I have heard more than a few people claim that
Speaker 2: that is why she has gone off the fucking rails
Speaker 2: with this one.
Speaker 1: I mean, hormones will definitely, you know, fuck with your
Speaker 1: brain a little bit and fuck with your thoughts. Takes
Speaker 1: a woman like.
Speaker 2: Two to three years to level back off to normal
Speaker 2: after one child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not gonna put that on her. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's entirely possible. But I don't know. There's something in
Speaker 1: me that just I see the fire in Candace, you know,
Speaker 1: like I see that fire in her, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that she's just grifting. But I don't think she's
Speaker 1: just grifting with any of it, to be honest with you. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe she's misled. Maybe maybe she got you know, poisoned
Speaker 1: kind of information or something like that. But she comes
Speaker 1: across the sincere to me and like, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I've been fooled before, you know where all fucking human.
Speaker 1: But like, to me, she I can see that fire.
Speaker 1: She has that fire that like we have whenever we're
Speaker 1: going down the rabbit hole and we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't believe this. This is crazy information. The proof
Speaker 1: is right there, Like, I see that fire in her,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And she seems very motivated.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's motivated by money. Maybe it's motivated by
Speaker 1: disseminating information out there to just flood the conspiracy market
Speaker 1: to look at this conspiracy not all the other conspiracies. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but like that type of motivation is clear and obvious
Speaker 1: to me. I'm a fan. I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: that she's a grifter at all.
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of her to a point. I had
Speaker 2: been a fan of her for a very long time.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you could also see how she was
Speaker 2: all about Obama then jumped on the bandwagging as like
Speaker 2: a big conservative talking head. For a good long while
Speaker 2: she got associated with turning points. She got associated with
Speaker 2: was a daily wire, the Blaze or whatever, No doubt,
Speaker 2: no doubt. And I'm not saying that I distrusted her
Speaker 2: when this was going on. There were a lot of
Speaker 2: people that claim that they just distrusted her, because that's
Speaker 2: all she is. She's jumping on where she sees the
Speaker 2: biggest possibility for money, right and and I can understand
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with it, at least not then.
Speaker 2: And when it comes to Brigitte, I don't think that
Speaker 2: she really had a dog in the fight. Like, she's
Speaker 2: not French, she has no allegiances to France or to
Speaker 2: France's enemies or anything like that. So her calling out Brigitte,
Speaker 2: she stood to gain nothing from that other than some
Speaker 2: great content and the clicks and the likes and all that,
Speaker 2: which I mean, that's what content creators do. And I
Speaker 2: could I could at least respect that to a degree.
Speaker 2: That the Kirk thing is where she started to go sideways,
Speaker 2: and not just because of her claims about Israel, I
Speaker 2: know people are gonna say that that's why I have
Speaker 2: such an opinion on this one. There was that, don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong, but that wasn't where she really lost me.
Speaker 2: It's a lot a lot of the claims that she made
Speaker 2: without giving her sources. And even with that being said,
Speaker 2: I can understand why you want to keep some of
Speaker 2: your sources quiet, right because maybe they're in a position
Speaker 2: where if you say who they are, they could lose
Speaker 2: their job and then they lose a source.
Speaker 3: And like, okay, I can understand that to a point.
Speaker 2: It is the frequency at which she has given no
Speaker 2: basis to back her claims for so long in regards
Speaker 2: to this one thing, for the longest time, and even
Speaker 2: with the Charlie Kirk stuff, there's certain stuff that she
Speaker 2: has come out with about it that I can't agree with,
Speaker 2: absolutely can There's other things where whenever she's not talking
Speaker 2: about verifiable, sourced, proofed information, where it's like, Okay, let's
Speaker 2: see where you're going with this. I don't dislike her.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't hate her, I don't distrust her
Speaker 2: or anything like that. I honestly see her as a
Speaker 2: person who is grieving the loss of somebody that they loved,
Speaker 2: at least in some regard. I'm not saying like romantically
Speaker 2: and nothing like that, but I'm like saying like she
Speaker 2: had for Charlie, Like that's not a secret. And although
Speaker 2: they may not have agreed on every single point, ever,
Speaker 2: they were friends and they were close for years.
Speaker 1: And even if they hadn't, let's say that they.
Speaker 2: Had fallen out of favor with each other and they
Speaker 2: hadn't talked in two years, which that's not a true statement.
Speaker 2: I'm giving a hypothetical here. And you find out that
Speaker 2: that friend of yours was brutally murdered in front of people,
Speaker 2: and that the internet made as many means as they
Speaker 2: did about and all that, and you're grieving. I could
Speaker 2: appreciate that, I really can. I don't think that that
Speaker 2: discredits her. I think that some of her claims have
Speaker 2: put her credibility into question. But the fire in her
Speaker 2: eyes that you're talking about, I see it too, And
Speaker 2: there is a level of respect to be put there,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things is that you know,
Speaker 1: one thing that I got to give credit to some people, like,
Speaker 1: no matter how much we disagree with them, just the
Speaker 1: fact that they're being true to themselves and true to
Speaker 1: what they believe and truly genuine Like even I don't
Speaker 1: y'all know, I do not like Nick Fouents, but I
Speaker 1: can appreciate that, like he genuinely believes the bullshit that
Speaker 1: he says, you know what I'm saying, Like, there's some
Speaker 1: kind of credit you got to give to that.
Speaker 3: I honestly can't tell with him if he's drifting or
Speaker 3: if he believes it.
Speaker 1: I think he believes it. He recently went on Tucker
Speaker 1: Crosson and I can't stand him. He Like just the
Speaker 1: look of him makes my fucking skin crawl. But at
Speaker 1: least he believes it, you know, Like, I don't know, he's.
Speaker 2: Like the new Andrew Taate dude, He's just saying the
Speaker 2: most outlandis shit for clicks, and instead of being about
Speaker 2: like alpha male dominance, he's just about like white dominance.
Speaker 2: That's what I could tell from him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going pretty he's getting pretty fucking close to
Speaker 1: like Nazi shit.
Speaker 2: Oh No, He's straight up told Candace to her face
Speaker 2: that he believes that black people are subpar to white
Speaker 2: people genetically speaking, Like he talked about how it was
Speaker 2: like Nate versus nurture and all this.
Speaker 3: He's like, listen, I.
Speaker 2: Know a lot of people are gonna tell you that
Speaker 2: it's probably nurture and it's just the cultural But I
Speaker 2: think a lot more of that is nature than what
Speaker 2: we really give it credit for. I mean, when the
Speaker 2: white people got to Africa, they didn't even have the
Speaker 2: invention of the wheel. It's like, that's that's incorrect. But like, okay, homie.
Speaker 1: They didn't even have a written language.
Speaker 2: They did in sub Saharan Africa, multiple tribes had written language.
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck are you talking about, dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not a fucking retard, and it
Speaker 1: absolutely is and a racist and all the negative things.
Speaker 1: But but I guess that's true.
Speaker 2: If he was doing that for the Grifters side of it,
Speaker 2: he would have at least tried to lean into that
Speaker 2: in a different light.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think he believes the dumb shit that he's saying.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, And I actually I'm more inclined
Speaker 1: to see the fire, like the actual genuine fire in
Speaker 1: him and in Candae. And I don't necessarily believe Tucker
Speaker 1: Carlson with a lot of you know that kind of energy.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believed Alex Jones even fully with that
Speaker 1: kind of being genuine.
Speaker 2: I like Tucker Carlson for a good long while, but
Speaker 2: then watching him suck vlads or flat Jesus Christ, watching
Speaker 2: him suck Putin's dick to the level that he did,
Speaker 2: And I mean, okay, going in there and getting an
Speaker 2: interview with Vladimir Putin and cool, all right, you got
Speaker 2: the interview that every news anchor has been dreaming of getting.
Speaker 2: Kudos to you for that, all right, And with that,
Speaker 2: you come back and you legitimately say that America is
Speaker 2: at war with Russia, and like you believe that Russia
Speaker 2: is fighting for their life when they're the ones that
Speaker 2: invaded Ukraine. And like, yo, yes, I understand there was
Speaker 2: geopolitical things on the back end that led to this.
Speaker 2: I get that, But America is not at war with Russia.
Speaker 2: And that's a crazy fucking statement to make, and he
Speaker 2: believes it.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, dude. One thing that I've been
Speaker 1: finding that I find very peculiar is there seems to
Speaker 1: be certain people that go and make their rounds with
Speaker 1: all of the top kind of podcasts out there, you know,
Speaker 1: and I find it very strange, Like, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: Charlie Charlie Sheen is an exception because he was trying
Speaker 1: to promote a book. Okay, Charlie Sheen went on Everybody's
Speaker 1: fucking show trying to promote a book. Whatever. That's fine.
Speaker 1: But whenever you start to see the same people being
Speaker 1: interviewed by by Joe Rogan, by Theo Vaughn, by PbD,
Speaker 1: by you know, Tucker Carlson, it's like by by two Bears,
Speaker 1: one Cave, It's like, what the fuck, Like, what is
Speaker 1: really going on here? Like, and it's all it's not
Speaker 1: like even a year that's spread apart you're talking about.
Speaker 1: All of these shows are all happening within the same month,
Speaker 1: and they're all interviewing the same exact people within the
Speaker 1: same month. I'm like, something's weird about that. Something's really
Speaker 1: fucking weird about that. Yes and no, yes and no.
Speaker 2: Think about it like this, if a new movie was
Speaker 2: being released, not right now, because most people don't actually
Speaker 2: go to the movies and watch that anymore.
Speaker 1: They just wait for it to be released on the
Speaker 1: rokus or whatever.
Speaker 2: But like, take it ten years ago, some new Marvel
Speaker 2: movie is about to be dropped. Right, You're gonna see
Speaker 2: Robert Downey Junior go to every fucking entertainment outlet and
Speaker 2: give interviews.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But it was to promote the movie, and I can't
Speaker 2: understand that. But it was about like what was hot
Speaker 2: at that moment. We are in a new age where
Speaker 2: what's hot based upon what the algorithm says is hot.
Speaker 2: So like, for instance, Wes Huff when he shut down
Speaker 2: Billy Carson.
Speaker 3: You notice that he for like three months was going on.
Speaker 2: All of these big podcasts and shit like that, and
Speaker 2: they had all these people like asking him to come
Speaker 2: debate them. He had to give a statement like listen, y'all,
Speaker 2: I am booked solid for the next six months. Like
Speaker 2: it's not that I don't want to debate you. I
Speaker 2: physically can't unless you're bigger than Rogan. I will reschedule
Speaker 2: some things. Other than that, I'm sorry, like I will
Speaker 2: put you on the list whatever whatever. But that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It was like, that's what the internet. Saul was hot
Speaker 2: in that moment. He goes on Flagrant, he goes on
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan, he goes on PbD, he goes on these things,
Speaker 2: and like he made his circuit because the Internet was
Speaker 2: saying that that was what was hot at that moment.
Speaker 2: Same shit when it comes to conspiratorial things. Same thing
Speaker 2: when it comes to the political politics and the celebrities
Speaker 2: and all these things. It's no longer having a sit
Speaker 2: down interview to discuss the new movie that you're having
Speaker 2: released on E Entertainment. It's going on to these comics
Speaker 2: podcasts to talk about.
Speaker 1: Your new book, your new movie, whatever the case is.
Speaker 3: I kind of see a little bit.
Speaker 1: I gotta throw Andrew Schultz's name in on that too.
Speaker 1: He's definitely a part of that circuit that keeps on
Speaker 1: interviewing the same fucking people that are going on Rogan,
Speaker 1: that are going on PbD, that are going on Sean Ryan,
Speaker 1: that are going on Tucker Carlson. It's the fucking dude.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like a merry girl round is What's
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I find it, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, No, I do too. And I like the
Speaker 1: majority of the people that I just named, Like, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, it's kind of a weird trend that I've noticed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that there's more to that than
Speaker 2: what meets the eye. But I think that a lot
Speaker 2: of that is more algorithm based than it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's just harmless as that maybe I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, possibly, or is this a way to make the
Speaker 2: algorithm push that harder.
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