Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside Edition examines Jeffrey Dahmer. In nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 1: a killing spree began that continued for more than thirteen
Speaker 1: years and left seventeen men dead. The man behind them
Speaker 1: became known as the Milwaukee Monster. Jeffrey Dahmer was arrested
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety one and was eventually convicted in sixteen
Speaker 1: of those gruesome murders and sentenced to life in prison.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety three, Dahmer granted Inside Edition a jailhouse interview.
Speaker 1: Take a look.
Speaker 2: I desensitize myself to it.
Speaker 3: I I.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I went to great Links.
Speaker 4: He is pure evil, but you'd never know it by
Speaker 4: looking at him. But when you hear him, that's an
Speaker 4: the story. His killing field was Milwaukee, and he got
Speaker 4: away with murder for more than a decade. But how
Speaker 4: could any of this happen? For the first time ever,
Speaker 4: Nancy Glass is here inside the World of Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 5: Bill.
Speaker 3: When I sat down opposite Jeffrey Dahmer for this interview,
Speaker 3: I wondered what he would tell me, how hard it
Speaker 3: would be to get him to discuss his horrific crimes.
Speaker 3: What I found was that he was very forthcoming. He
Speaker 3: volunteered details that may be difficult to hear. I began
Speaker 3: by asking what he wanted from the men he picked up.
Speaker 6: I had these obsessive desires and thoughts, wanting to control
Speaker 6: them to I don't know how to put it, possess
Speaker 6: them permanently. And that's why you killed them right right,
Speaker 6: Not because I was angry with them, not because I
Speaker 6: hated them, but because I wanted to keep them with me.
Speaker 6: And as my obsession grew, I was saving body parts
Speaker 6: such as skulls and skeletons.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Dahmer is recalling his monstrous past. Almost two years ago,
Speaker 3: in this little apartment in Milwaukee, police discovered the grisly
Speaker 3: remnants of one of the most horrible crime sprees in
Speaker 3: American history. Jeffrey Dahmer, an unassuming chocolate factory worker, would
Speaker 3: eventually confess that he had seduced, murdered, and dismembered seventeen
Speaker 3: young men. He even ate some of his victim's body parts.
Speaker 3: He instantly became the center of worldwide media attention, a
Speaker 3: serial killer unmasked. There were protests and press conferences in
Speaker 3: Milwaukee as people tried to understand how this could have
Speaker 3: happened in their midst How did Jeffrey Dahmer get away
Speaker 3: with murder after murder for thirteen years? How did a
Speaker 3: boy born into a hardworking, middle class family turn into
Speaker 3: the worst kind of monster imaginable? In this exclusive interview,
Speaker 3: we put those questions to Jeffrey Dahmer himself. We met
Speaker 3: with him at the maximum security prison where he is
Speaker 3: serving his sentence of nine hundred and ninety nine years.
Speaker 3: For the first time, he talks about his crimes and
Speaker 3: gives us a chilling look inside the mind of a
Speaker 3: serial killer.
Speaker 6: It's a process. It doesn't happen overnight. When you depersonalize
Speaker 6: another person and view them as just an object, an
Speaker 6: object for pleasure, instead of a living, breathing human being,
Speaker 6: it seems to make it easier to do things you
Speaker 6: shouldn't do.
Speaker 3: The reason why Jeffrey Dahmer was able to get away
Speaker 3: with his crimes was because of just what you are
Speaker 3: seeing here. Jeffrey Dahmer is intelligent and articulate. That is
Speaker 3: what makes him so frightening. But if you listen carefully
Speaker 3: to his words throughout this interview, you realize it is
Speaker 3: a thin disguise. You do sound, though, like the kind
Speaker 3: of person who could have said to himself, this is wrong,
Speaker 3: I must stop.
Speaker 6: I always knew that it was wrong, but after the
Speaker 6: first the first killing was not planned. I was coming
Speaker 6: back from the shopping mall back in seventy eight. I
Speaker 6: had had fantasies about picking up a hitchhiker and taking
Speaker 6: him back to the house and having complete control and
Speaker 6: dominance over him.
Speaker 3: The hitchhiker's name was Stephen Hicks.
Speaker 7: He was just eighteen.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Dahmer took him to his parents' house. There he
Speaker 3: strangled with a bar belt. He dismembered the body and
Speaker 3: hid it in a drain pipe. It was Jeffrey Dahmer
Speaker 3: who gave those details to the police in his confession.
Speaker 6: No one had a clue as to what was happening
Speaker 6: for over a decade.
Speaker 3: During that time, Jeffrey Dahmer joined the army and was
Speaker 3: sent to Germany. He was eventually discharged for a drinking
Speaker 3: problem and returned to Ohio. Nine years after Stephen hicks murder,
Speaker 3: the killing began again. What happened to you in the
Speaker 3: nine years in between, that you were able to stop,
Speaker 3: that you were able to control yourself.
Speaker 6: Just wasn't an opportunity to fully express what I wanted
Speaker 6: to do. There was just not the physical opportunity to
Speaker 6: do it then. And I started when I moved to
Speaker 6: Milwaukee in eighty one. I started reading pornography, going to
Speaker 6: the bookstores. Eventually that led to frequenting the gay bars,
Speaker 6: and then I one time I brought this young man
Speaker 6: back to the hotel room the Ambassador Hotel, was just
Speaker 6: planning on drugging him and spending the night with him.
Speaker 6: Had no intention of hurting him. When I woke up
Speaker 6: in the morning, he had a broken rib. Here I
Speaker 6: was heavily bruised. Apparently I had beaten him to death
Speaker 6: with my fists. And you have no memory, no memory
Speaker 6: of it. But that's what started the whole spree all
Speaker 6: over again.
Speaker 3: Dahmer says he snuck the corpse of his victim, Stephen Toomey,
Speaker 3: out of his hotel room in a suitcase. Then he
Speaker 3: took it to his grandmother's house, where he cut up
Speaker 3: the body and put it in plastic garbage bags. When
Speaker 3: you killed the man afterwards, were you repulsed?
Speaker 8: Were you upset? No?
Speaker 6: It the time, it was almost addictive. It was almost
Speaker 6: a surge of energy. I wouldn't have to worry about.
Speaker 2: Any of their needs or anything. I just had complete
Speaker 2: control of the situation.
Speaker 3: But Jeffrey Dahmer was out of control. The urge to
Speaker 3: kill had overpowered him. As police later learned, he wasn't
Speaker 3: satisfied with his victim's death. He wanted more. Why did
Speaker 3: you photograph them?
Speaker 6: It was my way of remembering their appearance, their physical beauty.
Speaker 6: I also wanted to keep.
Speaker 2: Something.
Speaker 6: If I couldn't keep them there with me whole, at
Speaker 6: least I felt that I could keep their skeletons. And
Speaker 6: I even went so far as planning on up an
Speaker 6: altar with the ten different skulls and skeletons.
Speaker 8: And what was the purpose of the altar going to be?
Speaker 2: As a sort of memorial a point where I could
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's so bizarre and strange.
Speaker 6: It's hard to describe a place where I could collect
Speaker 6: my thoughts.
Speaker 2: And feed my obsession.
Speaker 3: When the bodies were still in your apartment, there was
Speaker 3: no time when you would see them and say, this
Speaker 3: is grotesque, what have I done?
Speaker 6: There were times, There were times, but the compulsive obsession
Speaker 6: with doing what I was doing overpowered any feelings of revulsion.
Speaker 3: This man, with a quiet, almost shy demeanor, became a
Speaker 3: master manipulator who was able to strangers he met at
Speaker 3: gay bars to his apartment. He was even able to
Speaker 3: calm the police into returning a fourteen year old boy
Speaker 3: to him after neighbors called nine to one one upset
Speaker 3: that the child was in the street naked and bleeding.
Speaker 3: Dahmer convinced the police that he and the boy were
Speaker 3: simply having a lover's quarrel.
Speaker 1: And they untoxicated boyfriend of another boyfriend.
Speaker 2: How was this child was?
Speaker 3: After the police left, Jeffrey Dahmer murdered that boy. Conorrac
Speaker 3: synthes some phone. This man says he had a near
Speaker 3: fatal encounter with Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 2: You want to take some picture of my back?
Speaker 8: He hear me with a robber hammer on my neck.
Speaker 3: He was lucky to escape because by then the killing
Speaker 3: had become almost routine. Before you went out to pick
Speaker 3: up the man, was there any kind of ritual you
Speaker 3: went through.
Speaker 6: I go to the nightclubs, drink, watch the uh the strip,
Speaker 6: tea shows, and if I didn't meet anyone at the bars,
Speaker 6: I'd go to the bath clubs and meet someone there,
Speaker 6: offer them money, and we'd go back to the apartment.
Speaker 2: Have a few drinks.
Speaker 6: I'd have the sleeping pill mixture already prepared, a person
Speaker 6: would drink it, fall asleep, and that's when they would
Speaker 6: be strangled.
Speaker 1: After the break, there was more to Jeffrey Dahmer's murder ritual.
Speaker 1: A specific movie would often get him going. We'll hear
Speaker 1: more from Dahmer himself. Stay with us, Welcome back to
Speaker 1: Inside Edition examines Jeffrey Dahmer. Before the Break, we heard
Speaker 1: Dahmer talk about the ritual he went through before each killing.
Speaker 1: There was another part to this, and it might surprise you.
Speaker 3: Watching the movie Exorcist three was also part of his ritual.
Speaker 3: It put him in the mood for murder.
Speaker 2: I felt so hopelessly.
Speaker 6: Evil and perverted that that I actually derives a sort
Speaker 6: of pleasure from watching that tape.
Speaker 8: Did you like feeling evil?
Speaker 2: No? No, I didn't.
Speaker 6: But I tried to overcome the thoughts and it worked
Speaker 6: for a while, but eventually I gave in.
Speaker 3: While Jeffrey Dahmer may say things today that make it
Speaker 3: seem like he understands what went on in his mind,
Speaker 3: he does not. All he can do is tell you
Speaker 3: what happened, but he cannot stop whatever it is that
Speaker 3: drove him to kill in the first place. Do you
Speaker 3: still feel those same urges? Do you still feel that compulsion,
Speaker 3: that obsession.
Speaker 6: I wish I could say that it just left completely,
Speaker 6: but no, there are times when I still still do
Speaker 6: have the old compulsions.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Dahmer says as time went on, his mind became
Speaker 3: more and more warped, and yet he was clever enough
Speaker 3: to continue to elude police and lure young men to
Speaker 3: his apartment. We should warn you the details are very graphic.
Speaker 6: I started having these obsessive thoughts when I was about
Speaker 6: fifteen and sixteen, and they got worse and worse.
Speaker 8: What were your fantasies about?
Speaker 6: They were sexual fantasies of control, power, complete dominance.
Speaker 2: They became reality.
Speaker 8: Was there pleasure in that fantasy?
Speaker 6: There was excitement, fear, pleasure all mixed together.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Dahmer fulfilled his fantasies, murdering and dismembering seventeen young men.
Speaker 3: In time, his desires became more extreme, his deeds more grotesque.
Speaker 3: Listen to him talk about the most unnatural things in
Speaker 3: the most matter of fact of ways. That's when you
Speaker 3: realize that none of it has touched him.
Speaker 6: I was branching out. That's when the cannibalism started, eating
Speaker 6: of the heart and the arm muscle. It was a
Speaker 6: way of making me feel that they were a part
Speaker 6: of me. At first, it was just curiosity, and then
Speaker 6: it became compulsive. Then I tried to keep the person
Speaker 6: alive by inducing a zombie like state by injecting first
Speaker 6: dilute acid solution into their brain hot water, and it
Speaker 6: never did completely work.
Speaker 8: Could someone like you be stopped? Could you be helped?
Speaker 2: No? I was.
Speaker 6: I was dead set on going with this compulsion. It
Speaker 6: was the only thing that gave me any any satisfaction.
Speaker 3: He became so warped by his evil impulses that he
Speaker 3: even took a victim's head with him to work at
Speaker 3: the Ambrosia Chocolate factory.
Speaker 2: I kept the.
Speaker 6: Mummified head and skull of one of the victims in
Speaker 6: a carrying case in my locker at work.
Speaker 8: Were you almost flaunting it?
Speaker 6: Yes, But that's how strong the compulsion was, That's how
Speaker 6: bizarre the desire was. I wanted to keep something of
Speaker 6: the person with me.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Dahmer exhibited some disturbing behavior early on. He began
Speaker 3: drinking as a teenager, dropped out of college, was arrested
Speaker 3: for indecent exposure, disorderly conduct, and fondling a thirteen year
Speaker 3: old boy. Tragically, one of his murder victims would be
Speaker 3: that boy's brother. Do you know what started it? Was
Speaker 3: there any kind of incident that you can remember.
Speaker 2: To this day.
Speaker 6: I don't know what started it. And the person to
Speaker 6: blame is sitting right across from you. That's the only person.
Speaker 6: Not parents, not society, not pornography. I mean, those are
Speaker 6: just excuses.
Speaker 3: His Macarb thirteen year crime spray finally ended when this man,
Speaker 3: Tracy Edwards, brought the police to the infamous apartment. Like
Speaker 3: the others, he had gone there with the promise of money.
Speaker 9: He was listening to my heart because at a point
Speaker 9: he told me he was going to eat my heart.
Speaker 2: At that point I hit him and Iran.
Speaker 3: What was the turning point for you that made you
Speaker 3: suddenly realize that you had done something terribly wrong, something
Speaker 3: you should be sorry for.
Speaker 6: It was the night of the arrest. I have no
Speaker 6: memory of what happened during the six hours before the
Speaker 6: last victim ran out of the apartment. They heard a
Speaker 6: knock on the door and the police were there with
Speaker 6: the last victim. They asked me where the key was
Speaker 6: to the handcuffs. I my mind was in a haze.
Speaker 6: I sort of pointed to the bedroom and that's where
Speaker 6: they found the pictures, and then they yelled cuff them.
Speaker 6: I was handcuffed, and it was just the realization that
Speaker 6: there was no point in trying to hide hide my
Speaker 6: actions anymore. The best route was to help the police
Speaker 6: identify all the victims and just make a complete confession.
Speaker 3: When it was revealed that most of the victims were
Speaker 3: black or homosexual people, the meal were incensed. Many felt
Speaker 3: that was why he went after them and why the
Speaker 3: police didn't seem to care when their families reported them missing.
Speaker 3: Ten of your seventeen victims were black. Were they racially motivated?
Speaker 6: It was not racially motivated. It was not a sexual preference.
Speaker 6: It was just to find an obsession with the best
Speaker 6: looking young man I could find.
Speaker 3: While you just heard him say that his sexual preference
Speaker 3: had nothing to do with the killings, he has not
Speaker 3: come to terms with his homosexuality.
Speaker 2: Never understood it.
Speaker 6: There was no use trying to fight it because I
Speaker 6: couldn't rid myself of it. It was it was too
Speaker 6: powerful and persistent.
Speaker 8: Do you dislike it?
Speaker 2: Yes, It's caused.
Speaker 6: A lot of problems for me, a lot of conflicts
Speaker 6: and unanswered questions.
Speaker 3: The conflicts remain with him, and so do his compulsions,
Speaker 3: but in prison, he finally cannot act on his savage desires.
Speaker 3: You were out on the street, now, would you still
Speaker 3: be committing the crimes?
Speaker 6: Probably if this hadn't happened, There's no doubt I probably
Speaker 6: would be.
Speaker 2: I can't think of anything that would have stopped me.
Speaker 1: Coming up after the break. Some rarely seen footage from
Speaker 1: this interview stay with us.
Speaker 10: It's Jeffrey Dahmer, the serial killer and cannibal who Saga
Speaker 10: of Evil has been given new life in the hit
Speaker 10: Netflix series Monster.
Speaker 8: I'm going to ask you some questions that are tough.
Speaker 10: It is never before seen video from the Inside Edition archives.
Speaker 10: He's clearly nervous. His hands won't stay still as he
Speaker 10: prepares for the exclusive nineteen ninety three interviews. What questions
Speaker 10: A new generation is learning about his horrifying crimes through
Speaker 10: the number one Netflix series.
Speaker 11: What appears to be a psychopathic mass Morko Clear.
Speaker 10: This world exclusive interview took place inside the maximum security
Speaker 10: prison in Wisconsin, where he was serving nine hundred and
Speaker 10: ninety nine years. He was escorted by three prison guards.
Speaker 10: One officer held each arm as he was taken in
Speaker 10: handcuffs into an elevator. Nobody was taking any chances with
Speaker 10: the most notorious killer in America. Dahmer was thirty three
Speaker 10: when he told Nancy Glass about his twisted motive for
Speaker 10: killing seventeen men.
Speaker 6: Not because I was angry with them, not because I
Speaker 6: hated them, but because I wanted to keep them with me.
Speaker 6: And as my obsession grew, I was saving body parts
Speaker 6: such as skulls and skeletons, and eventually I did turn
Speaker 6: to cannibalism.
Speaker 10: He described how he picked up his victims in gay
Speaker 10: bars and brought them home.
Speaker 6: I'd have the sleeping pill mixture already prepared, a person
Speaker 6: would drink it, fall asleep, and that's when they would
Speaker 6: be strangled.
Speaker 10: And he made a startling admission about the evil urges
Speaker 10: that propelled him to kill.
Speaker 3: Do you still feel those same urges? Do you still
Speaker 3: feel that compulsion, that obsession?
Speaker 6: I wish I could say that it just left completely.
Speaker 6: But no, there are times when I still do, still
Speaker 6: do have the old compulsions.
Speaker 10: A creature of the night. He said he slept most
Speaker 10: of the day in prison. During the interview, he asked
Speaker 10: for several breaks.
Speaker 2: Can we cut the film here for him?
Speaker 12: Sure?
Speaker 10: Dahmer was murdered by another prison inmate just a year
Speaker 10: and ten months after this interview. A form of justice,
Speaker 10: he said, he deserved.
Speaker 2: That's what I deserve. I deserve death.
Speaker 1: Dahmer was beaten to death by another inmate while they
Speaker 1: were on cleaning duty.
Speaker 13: Coming up.
Speaker 1: The families of dahmer victims speak out about the Netflix
Speaker 1: movie about the killings, saying it triggers horrible memories.
Speaker 14: The number one show on Netflix this weekend was the
Speaker 14: mini series on murderer Jeffrey Dahmer. The film reopened some
Speaker 14: old wounds for some of Dahmer's victims and his Amricogliano reports.
Speaker 14: Some say the impact of the movie is heightened by
Speaker 14: the incredible resemblance between the real life killer and the
Speaker 14: actor proof portrays him.
Speaker 15: It's the face of evil reborn. These are scenes from
Speaker 15: the new Netflix drama about serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 2: Make Me Do Things I don't want to do.
Speaker 15: Actor Evan Peters plays the infamous cannibal killer. This is
Speaker 15: the actor and this is the monstrous Dahmer. Dahmer, a
Speaker 15: chocolate factory worker, lured unsuspecting young men to his Milwaukee apartment,
Speaker 15: where he drugged and strangled them. He dismembered his victims
Speaker 15: and ate their body parts. Dahmer's bloody history finally came
Speaker 15: to an end when a young man he had targeted
Speaker 15: for death escaped the killer's apartment and alerted cops. Dahmer
Speaker 15: was arrested and confessed to seventeen killings.
Speaker 2: I knew I was sick, were evil.
Speaker 3: We're both at his sentencing.
Speaker 15: The disgust he inspired in one victim's sister irerupted. Inside
Speaker 15: Edition aired a world exclusive interview with Dahmer in nineteen
Speaker 15: ninety three at the maximum security prison where he was
Speaker 15: serving nine hundred and ninety nine years.
Speaker 6: Eating of the heart and the arm muscle. It was
Speaker 6: a way of making me feel that they were a
Speaker 6: part of me.
Speaker 15: Now, the new Netflix series is bringing memories of Dahmer's
Speaker 15: vile deeds flooding back. Preston Davis narrowly escaped death at
Speaker 15: Dahmer's hands when they were in the army together and
Speaker 15: Dahmer sexually assaulted him. Davis, now sixty three, has watched
Speaker 15: the Netflix series.
Speaker 7: How was that for you watching?
Speaker 10: I think they did a good job.
Speaker 16: It didn't trigger me.
Speaker 17: I've gotten better through therapy.
Speaker 10: I felt more sympathy or empathy for the victims' families.
Speaker 15: Billy Joe Capshaw was also sexually assaulted by Dahmer in
Speaker 15: the army.
Speaker 3: Does it bring back all of these horrible memories?
Speaker 13: Yes, it does. I have been through hell because of
Speaker 13: this one person.
Speaker 16: I'm gonna keep the language clean.
Speaker 15: The woman who vented her anger on Dahmer watched the
Speaker 15: show's recreation of that moment and says it felt like
Speaker 15: reliving it all over again. It brought back all the
Speaker 15: emotions I was feeling back then. In our nineteen ninety
Speaker 15: three interview, Dahmer made this confession.
Speaker 2: There's no question that I deserved the death penalty.
Speaker 15: In a sense. He got his way. He was bludgeoned
Speaker 15: to death by another He was an inmate in nineteen
Speaker 15: ninety four, but in the Netflix series He Lives Again.
Speaker 14: Dahmer was thirty four years old when he was killed
Speaker 14: in prison.
Speaker 1: Coming up, The father of Jeffrey Dahmer dies will tell
Speaker 1: you about his complicated feelings regarding his son. The father
Speaker 1: of notorious serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer has died. Reports say
Speaker 1: Lionel Dahmer died in hospice care in Ohio.
Speaker 8: He was eighty seven.
Speaker 1: Lionel was a fierce defender of his son, even after
Speaker 1: his crimes were discovered. He even appeared alongside Jeffrey in
Speaker 1: a jailhouse interview with MSNBC.
Speaker 2: This is the first time you're talking about these things.
Speaker 6: You talk your dad here at great length with a psychiatrist,
Speaker 6: court appointed psychiatrist, psychologist.
Speaker 2: Yes, but not with my family. We learned everything at the.
Speaker 6: Trial and then the confessions and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: After the fact, Lionel and his wife Sharry spoke with
Speaker 1: doctor Phil about some of the disturbing behaviors Jeffrey exhibited
Speaker 1: as a child.
Speaker 10: If your kid is going around collecting dead animals, cutting
Speaker 10: them open and exploring them and that sort of thing, that,
Speaker 10: how do you not know that?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 6: As I said, it's heavily wooded, very rough terrain, and
Speaker 6: there are a lot of hiding places.
Speaker 2: He was extremely secreted.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety four, Lionel published a book titled A
Speaker 1: Father's Story that tried to make sense of his son's crimes.
Speaker 1: That same year, Jeffrey Dahmer was killed in Wisconsin prison
Speaker 1: by a fellow in mate. A report says that Lionel
Speaker 1: Dahmer was still angry about the killing decades after it happened.
Speaker 1: Coming up, we'll talk with more family members of serial
Speaker 1: killers and here how they dealt with the knowledge of
Speaker 1: the horrific crimes.
Speaker 7: These people were loved ones of serial killers. From twenty
Speaker 7: twenty two, this brave nurse stopped the man who may
Speaker 7: have been America's most prolific serial killer.
Speaker 17: He murdered people right in front of me.
Speaker 7: Amy Lockran worked alongside Charles Collen for a year and
Speaker 7: a half at a hospital in New Jersey. They became
Speaker 7: close friends. She never suspected anything until police confidentially showed
Speaker 7: her evidence that he was injecting patients with legal doses
Speaker 7: of drugs.
Speaker 17: The medications he used were brutal medications. Medications, for instance,
Speaker 17: that are paralytics that you cannot speak, you cannot breathe,
Speaker 17: you cannot fight back, you cannot blink, you can hear everything,
Speaker 17: that's happening.
Speaker 7: Investigators asked Amy to use her friendship with Cullen to
Speaker 7: get him to confess. She told Jim murriy.
Speaker 10: Did you actually wear a wire? To help get him
Speaker 10: to confess?
Speaker 16: I did.
Speaker 7: They suspected Colin's murderous crime. Speed began in the late
Speaker 7: nineteen eighties. Netflix turned Nurse Amy's story into a movie,
Speaker 7: The Good Nurse. Jessica Chastain plays Amy, Eddie Redmay plays
Speaker 7: the serial killer.
Speaker 2: What he need me to do.
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 10: The US Charles Collen pleaded guilty to murdering twenty nine people.
Speaker 10: How many people do you suspect he actually murdered?
Speaker 17: It's well into the hundreds of How many people he
Speaker 17: not only tried to kill but probably did murder around
Speaker 17: four hundred?
Speaker 10: So how did this monster evade justice for so long?
Speaker 10: Amy Loughran says Colin moved from hospital to hospital, maintaining
Speaker 10: his cover as a caring nurse.
Speaker 7: For much of her life. Sierra Barter had suspicions that
Speaker 7: her family history held a monstrous secret. Whatever relatives might
Speaker 7: have been a serial killer.
Speaker 3: Here's the reality.
Speaker 18: Somebody's grandpa was the serial killer?
Speaker 3: Was it mine?
Speaker 18: I don't know, but Somebody's Grandpa was.
Speaker 7: Her mission to find answers about her step grandfather was
Speaker 7: the topic of the documentary series The Truth About Jim,
Speaker 7: streaming on Max.
Speaker 18: What I'm trying to understand is like, who was Jim?
Speaker 19: Started out as normal seeming relationship and it just kept
Speaker 19: getting more bizarre.
Speaker 7: Jim Mordecai was a well respected high school teacher in
Speaker 7: northern California, but to his family, he was a predator
Speaker 7: with an alleged history of sexual and physical violence against
Speaker 7: women and girls.
Speaker 20: He either was the most charming man you were ever
Speaker 20: going to meet, or he was your worst nightmare.
Speaker 7: While Sierra tried to uncover who Jim Mordechai was, clues
Speaker 7: led her to believe he may have been the notorious
Speaker 7: Zodiac Killer.
Speaker 18: Zodiac had like a stalky, athletic build. Jim was very stocky,
Speaker 18: very athletic. The shoe print they found was a ten
Speaker 18: and a half. Jim wore size ten and a half.
Speaker 7: The Zodiac Killer was never caught, he claimed responsibility for
Speaker 7: over thirty murders in Northern California in the late nineteen sixties.
Speaker 20: The similarities that Sierra was able to find between Jim
Speaker 20: and the Zodiac killer were locations they often went to
Speaker 20: the same place.
Speaker 7: Director sky Borgmann says that Sierra's journey ultimately leads to
Speaker 7: some closure for her family.
Speaker 20: First and foremost, it's about generational trauma and how three
Speaker 20: generations of women are dealing with generational trauma, and how
Speaker 20: they all feel that Jim could have done more than
Speaker 20: what they know he did.
Speaker 7: Joseph James DiAngelo Junior is known to the world as
Speaker 7: the Golden State Killer. In twenty twenty, his brother in
Speaker 7: law forty years James Huddle, spoke about him to Jim Murray.
Speaker 10: He was married to your sister, Yes, and you never
Speaker 10: had an inkling of what he was.
Speaker 16: Nope, he kept there to himself, quite certain that no
Speaker 16: one else in the family knew either.
Speaker 10: Huddle's sister, Sharon, got married to DiAngelo in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 10: The family thought he was quite a catch, handsome, a
Speaker 10: respected cop with the Exeter, California Police Department. But looking back,
Speaker 10: there were telltale signs that something wasn't right.
Speaker 7: For instance, d'angelo's interest in slasher movies like the Texas
Speaker 7: Jamesaw Massacre.
Speaker 16: Wow, you know the excitement involved in his face and
Speaker 16: his clenched teeth at this horrific scene on TV.
Speaker 10: So when he would watch these horror movies, you saw
Speaker 10: him get physically excited.
Speaker 7: Yes, like a movie villain. D'Angelo would taunt his victims
Speaker 7: over the phone. D'Angelo has three daughters from his marriage
Speaker 7: to Huddle's sister.
Speaker 16: They lost their father in a way, they really did.
Speaker 13: I mean, he changed.
Speaker 16: From this wonderful dad to them to this horrible person.
Speaker 7: D'Angelo confessed to thirteen killings in almost fifty rapes. There
Speaker 7: were so many victims in their families, authorities had to
Speaker 7: conduct the hearing in a ballroom.
Speaker 17: He is the real life version of Hannibal Lecter.
Speaker 16: The detail just made me just cringe all the more
Speaker 16: and feel the sorrow I felt for those victims. There's
Speaker 16: so many.
Speaker 7: Huddle wrote a book, Killers Keep Secrets, in which he
Speaker 7: lays bare his family's shock at learning the truth about
Speaker 7: the monster in their midst.
Speaker 16: I became outraged at what he had done. Sure even
Speaker 16: more outraged last night when I reviewed the hearing.
Speaker 7: D'angelo's former fiance spoke out as well.
Speaker 21: I got out of it. But to be engaged to him, ever,
Speaker 21: is I regret.
Speaker 7: I'll always have Bonnie Caldwell was engaged to Joseph DiAngelo
Speaker 7: in the early nineteen seventies at eighteen.
Speaker 21: He was my first long term relationship. I didn't have
Speaker 21: dating experience. It started off, are you lighthearted?
Speaker 7: Jim Murray has more?
Speaker 10: But Bonnie broke off the engagement when she found out
Speaker 10: how scary D'Angelo could be. He did not take the
Speaker 10: rejection well. He actually tried to abduct her at gunpoint
Speaker 10: so he could take her to Nevada and force her
Speaker 10: to marry him.
Speaker 21: He said, get dressed, we're going to Reno. We're going
Speaker 21: to get married tonight. Now I know that he's more
Speaker 21: than capable of using a gun to kill someone.
Speaker 7: D'angelo's hatred of Bonnie was unmistakable when he launched his
Speaker 7: monstrous thirteen year long crime spree. One of the victims,
Speaker 7: says D'Angelo repeatedly sped out, I hate you Bonnie as
Speaker 7: he raped her.
Speaker 17: Take your mask off.
Speaker 7: In court, fifty years after she broke up with him,
Speaker 7: Bonnie refilled her face. She wasn't allowed to speak since
Speaker 7: she was technically not a victim of d'angelo's crimes. Her
Speaker 7: friend D'Angelo rape survivor, Jeane Carlson, Sandler spoke on her behalf.
Speaker 7: Even a gun pointed at her face could not make
Speaker 7: her choose you.
Speaker 17: I don't think the man has a soul.
Speaker 1: Stay with us. After the break, we'll hear from a
Speaker 1: woman who was engaged to one of the country's most
Speaker 1: notorious serial killers and she had no idea.
Speaker 7: In twenty seventeen, this woman had no idea that the
Speaker 7: man she was having an affair with was one of
Speaker 7: America's most notorious serial killers.
Speaker 22: There was always something that sat uneasy with me about him,
Speaker 22: and I just really couldn't put my finger on it.
Speaker 7: Holly Udy is still coming to terms with the terrifying
Speaker 7: trail of death left by the man she was in
Speaker 7: love with for ten years. Todd koleip He was arrested
Speaker 7: in twenty sixteen after a woman he kidnapped was found
Speaker 7: chained by the neck inside of a storage container on
Speaker 7: his property. Hey, we're gonna get you out of there, Okay,
Speaker 7: it's just disgusting.
Speaker 22: I mean it was sickening. He gave me a lot
Speaker 22: of attention and he made me feel like I was important.
Speaker 7: Holly meant Cole up in two thousand and six and
Speaker 7: started an affair. She never suspected that he had already
Speaker 7: murdered four people. Holly actually loaned call Up the money
Speaker 7: to buy the container. Megan Alexander has more coal.
Speaker 11: Help told Holly that he needed the container to store supplies.
Speaker 11: He had it delivered here to this remote property he
Speaker 11: owned ninety five acres of mostly dense forest, miles from civilization.
Speaker 11: He put shelving in it and stalked it with canned
Speaker 11: food and.
Speaker 3: Cases of water.
Speaker 11: Holly couldn't have known that he was turning the container
Speaker 11: she helped him buy into a prison. That container was
Speaker 11: way way back there.
Speaker 9: In the woods.
Speaker 22: The container was right here.
Speaker 11: I mean that is completely surrounded by woods. You can't
Speaker 11: hear anything if you're back here. She was completely isolated. Yes,
Speaker 11: you actually went into the container. Yes, were you suspicious
Speaker 11: at all when you were in there?
Speaker 22: No, it was simply storage.
Speaker 14: It was all storage.
Speaker 11: Did you ever notice anything the way he was arranging it?
Speaker 11: About what it was going to be used for in
Speaker 11: the future.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 7: When cops rescued Kayler Brown in the storage container, she
Speaker 7: told him what Colp had done to her boyfriend, Charlie Carver.
Speaker 7: Todd Cob Charlie Carver three times in.
Speaker 3: The chest, wrapped him in a blue tart, put him
Speaker 3: in the bucket of the factor.
Speaker 7: He says he's dead and buryed. As Kayler rolle to
Speaker 7: the hospital, she made this stunning statement, some girl named
Speaker 7: Holly supposedly planning Nickille.
Speaker 22: My mouth fell open. The first time I heard it,
Speaker 22: I stopped and I rewind and I listened to it again.
Speaker 23: Some girl named Holly supposedly planning Nickilling.
Speaker 22: Yes, she did just say my name. She just said
Speaker 22: my name. It's overwhelming looking at it and trying to
Speaker 22: put myself in Kayla's shoes. I know I wouldn't have survived.
Speaker 7: I know I wouldn't have. The notorious serial killer known
Speaker 7: as BTK is this woman's father.
Speaker 5: I had to cut him off. It hurts. I love
Speaker 5: my dad.
Speaker 3: I don't know that other person.
Speaker 7: In twenty twenty two, Carrie Rawson said her father, Dennis Raider,
Speaker 7: were tormenting her from behind bars by getting his groupies
Speaker 7: to Harasser for cutting off all contact with them. She
Speaker 7: spoke to Anne Maricogliano, do you.
Speaker 15: Know if your father directed his followers to cyberstalk you?
Speaker 5: I do, because they sent me Instagram and Twitter messages
Speaker 5: and emails and said I'm in contact with your dad.
Speaker 5: I'm on the phone with him.
Speaker 13: He's this nice.
Speaker 5: Guy, so I want nothing to do with any of it.
Speaker 7: One text someone sent her said, your dad really wants
Speaker 7: to hear from you terribly. He's desperate. Another said, your
Speaker 7: dad would love a letter. He truly loves you so much.
Speaker 7: Raider was convicted in two thousand and five of killing
Speaker 7: ten people during his seventeen year reign of terror in Wichita, Kansas.
Speaker 22: People call me a monster.
Speaker 11: I guess I am sure.
Speaker 5: I don't know if they understand that, Like if somehow
Speaker 5: my dad got out of prison, you know, he would
Speaker 5: stop and possibly want to murder them.
Speaker 7: In twenty twenty three, the family of the accused Gilgo
Speaker 7: Beach killer got comfort from a woman who knows hand
Speaker 7: what they were going through.
Speaker 19: I'm the daughter of the Happy Face Killer.
Speaker 7: Melissa Moore's father is Keith Jesperson, the notorious happy Face Killer.
Speaker 7: He was called that because of the smiley face he
Speaker 7: drew on taunting letters to cops. He murdered eight women
Speaker 7: in the nineteen nineties. After architect Rex Huerman was charged
Speaker 7: with murdering three women, Melissa Morri's sense of compassion led
Speaker 7: her to set up a Goalfundme page for the Hereman
Speaker 7: family that led to an extraordinary encounter. I'll get together
Speaker 7: at the family's home on Long Island.
Speaker 19: I just embraced her and gave her a hug, stroked
Speaker 19: her hair and said it's all going to be okay.
Speaker 7: More tels Allison Hall. She also met Huerman's two grown children.
Speaker 11: You went in the home and then you sat on
Speaker 11: the porch with the three of them.
Speaker 19: Yeah, it was very relaxing in the sense that there's
Speaker 19: no reporters. The one thing that I'm very proud of, though,
Speaker 19: is that I was able to offer some relief in
Speaker 19: this hellish circumstance.
Speaker 3: What advice did you give them when you met with them.
Speaker 19: I have lots of advice, but the one thing that
Speaker 19: I would hope for them is that they would leave
Speaker 19: the home and not attend the trial. And I'm actually
Speaker 19: really impressed with how the family is coping under the circumstances.
Speaker 19: They're dissecting their lives. I mean, who wouldn't be dissecting
Speaker 19: their life when you find out that your husband's accused
Speaker 19: of serial murder.
Speaker 7: Although authorities say the wife and children were ignorant of
Speaker 7: the crimes, Huerman was charged with. The lawyer who represents
Speaker 7: some Gelgo Beach victims wasn't conviensed.
Speaker 12: She should be considered a suspect and not just a
Speaker 12: bystander or someone who's been victimized by a husband.
Speaker 17: There are some people who think she must have known.
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
Speaker 19: Well, I wouldn't put my name on a GoFundMe if
Speaker 19: I believe she was complicit in any way. The biggest
Speaker 19: thing that I think is the cause of suffering for
Speaker 19: family members of serial killers or perpetrators is that question,
Speaker 19: how did you not know? Or did you know?
Speaker 7: Huerman has been charged with three counts of first degree
Speaker 7: murderunts of second degree murder. As of May of twenty
Speaker 7: twenty four, his case is still in court. These are
Speaker 7: personal letters from some of the most monstrous people in
Speaker 7: American history, and they.
Speaker 23: Got into like the guts the blood.
Speaker 7: For over twenty years, Barbara Dixtein corresponded with the notorious killers.
Speaker 23: The only person I was a little leery of and
Speaker 23: still am was Manton. He has plenty of followers.
Speaker 7: This scribble is the handiwork of Charles Manson.
Speaker 23: Hey, Barb, what's up? How's the weather in New York?
Speaker 23: And then you would go into you know, pigs fly.
Speaker 23: His letters never made any sense.
Speaker 7: To gain their trust, Dixtein took on certain roles.
Speaker 23: He's wishing me a happy New Year, and he's telling
Speaker 23: me don't be stingy with your body.
Speaker 7: Barbara pretended to be a stripper while communicating with Richard
Speaker 7: de Mairis, California's notorious nightstalker.
Speaker 23: If he was sitting here next to me. Okay, we'll
Speaker 23: leave that part out.
Speaker 21: That it bothered you to then be writing to them
Speaker 21: and corresponding.
Speaker 7: Of course, her late husband, Richie was also involved in
Speaker 7: her efforts. He pretended to be gay to elicit letters
Speaker 7: from cannibal killer Jeffrey Dahmer. He also convinced Susan Smith,
Speaker 7: the South Carolina mom convicted a murdering two sons in
Speaker 7: nineteen ninety four, that he was in love with her.
Speaker 23: Susan Smith totally loved my husband. She actually thought if
Speaker 23: she got a prison that my husband was going to
Speaker 23: marry him.
Speaker 7: Her husband even had one special pinpal, the so called
Speaker 7: son of Sam David Berkowitz.
Speaker 23: Out of every serial killer that we ever collected from
Speaker 23: the one that my husband had a friendship with, and
Speaker 23: I mean a real friendship where he went to visit
Speaker 23: him was Burkowitz.
Speaker 7: The letters were featured on the podcast Killer's Vault, hosted
Speaker 7: by law and order actress Elizabeth Rome.
Speaker 9: I think we're going to be surprised at how intimate
Speaker 9: and personal these letters are, and really how graphic and horrible,
Speaker 9: because the friendships that were built with Barbara Ritchie over
Speaker 9: these decades was authentic.
Speaker 7: Actor Eric Roberts narrated the chilling letters.
Speaker 24: When I've played these kinds of people who are dangerous,
Speaker 24: I've always played them where they don't you believe they're
Speaker 24: bad guys. Now what I learned through this process, these
Speaker 24: guys know they're bad guys and they're proud of it.
Speaker 1: Coming up, as the country is obsessed with serial killers
Speaker 1: in movies and podcasts, we ask if there are actually
Speaker 1: fewer serial killers today.
Speaker 13: America has been frightened and fascinated by serial killers for decades.
Speaker 13: Dramas and documentaries about serial killers are binge watching hits
Speaker 13: Ted Bundy, son of Sam Jeffrey. They're names that will
Speaker 13: live in infamy. Once hundreds of serial killers were thought
Speaker 13: to be active in the United States, but today many
Speaker 13: researchers believe there are just a handful. One reason. The
Speaker 13: presence of surveillance cameras and phone tracking technology is also
Speaker 13: helping cops catch killers before they kill again.
Speaker 25: It is much more difficult to hide if you are
Speaker 25: a serial killer today than in the nineteen sixties and
Speaker 25: nineteen seventies.
Speaker 13: Joni Johnstone is a forensic psychologist and author of serial
Speaker 13: Killers one hundred and one questions True crime fans asked,
Speaker 13: why do you think the number of serial killers has
Speaker 13: gone down?
Speaker 25: There's a couple of different reasons that really come into
Speaker 25: play here. One is the lack of available victims. So
Speaker 25: I grew up in the seventies when it really was
Speaker 25: true that your parents would say come home before it
Speaker 25: gets dark, and so we're out out and about unsupervised
Speaker 25: for lengthy amounts of time. I think very few parents
Speaker 25: today would have that same philosophy. It was very common
Speaker 25: in the seventies and early eighties from people to hitchhike,
Speaker 25: and we know how vulnerable people are when they get
Speaker 25: in somebody else's car.
Speaker 13: Brian Cooberger, the defendant in the murders of four University
Speaker 13: of Idaho's students, was arrested in seven weeks using advanced
Speaker 13: DNA and tracking technology. Is he the type of killer
Speaker 13: who would have killed again.
Speaker 25: There's little doubt in my mind that with the amount
Speaker 25: of premeditation that he put into this, that he would
Speaker 25: have killed again if he'd gotten away with it.
Speaker 13: Meanwhile, it's been revealed that the wife of the accused
Speaker 13: Gilgo Beach serial killer has cancer, but her health insurance
Speaker 13: came from her husband's business.
Speaker 9: She has breast cancer.
Speaker 10: She also has skin cancer.
Speaker 16: She's presently under a course of treatment that's going to
Speaker 16: continue for the next twelve to eighteen months.
Speaker 10: Her health insurance is due to expire in the next sixty.
Speaker 13: Days, but an attorney for some of the victims families
Speaker 13: say she deserves no sympathy.
Speaker 12: She should be considered a suspect and not just a
Speaker 12: bystander or someone who's been victimized by a husband. Remember,
Speaker 12: she's been there with him steadily for twenty seven years.
Speaker 14: Police say they don't believe Rex Huerman's wife was involved
Speaker 14: in the killings. Meantime, Huerman and Brian Coburger both have
Speaker 14: pled not guilty.
Speaker 1: Those are cases we will continue to follow. Thank you
Speaker 1: for watching Inside Edition Examines. Jeffrey Dahmer, stay with us.
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