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Speaker 2: Running backs. Oh, I love the running back resurgence that happens,
Speaker 2: and we go through these little ebbs and flows. At
Speaker 2: the end of the day, wide receivers are always just
Speaker 2: the safe, chalky bet. More and more people are worried
Speaker 2: about that high end running back stuff. There's fun stuff
Speaker 2: you can have at the uh you know, later port
Speaker 2: portions of draft, and there's gonna be some guys that
Speaker 2: are going to be hitting. But I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: we were a couple of years removed where a couple
Speaker 2: of years removed from like remember that hardcore run of
Speaker 2: zero RB strategy, don't take them. I mean, I remember
Speaker 2: the old Fantasy pros days of like three years ago,
Speaker 2: where you and I would get laughed out the room
Speaker 2: about even thinking about drafting running backs in the first
Speaker 2: two or three rounds. And now you not only got
Speaker 2: running backs being like the top two picks in a
Speaker 2: lot of instances. I'm getting, like, you know, tweets and
Speaker 2: stuff about people wanting to trade out of the top
Speaker 2: end because they're worried about what RBS look like on
Speaker 2: the second round. So it's a really it's always critical.
Speaker 2: Every position is critical, but there's there's a lot more
Speaker 2: of a hyper focus on rbs still, the people out
Speaker 2: there that are you know, doing zero rbs and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, but there's just new versions of them. There's
Speaker 2: like that pseudo hero one where it's one high and
Speaker 2: one really low, and there's just a lot of different
Speaker 2: ways to look at it.
Speaker 3: This year, there's some weird thing with running backs. I
Speaker 3: feel like every single year, and it depends on how
Speaker 3: many got hurt the year before. Last year, not many
Speaker 3: got hurt that way at the top. You know, Saquon
Speaker 3: was disappointing last.
Speaker 2: Year, Butler missed a little bit of time.
Speaker 3: I don't think, No, Taylor didn't miss any time. Hampton
Speaker 3: missed time. Hampton was he played nine games last year,
Speaker 3: but everybody else like that's in our top fifteen here
Speaker 3: seventeen seventeen, seventeen, seventeen, sixteen for eight Chan, sixteen for Barkley,
Speaker 3: nine for Hampton, seventeen for Hampton, it was really just
Speaker 3: about disappointment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was actually about disappointment, Jent Barkley, there was
Speaker 2: a guys didn't get hurt, so now people are more
Speaker 2: willing to take them early.
Speaker 3: If we would have had Saquon get hurt, Hampton get hurt,
Speaker 3: and CMC went down, I think we would be speaking
Speaker 3: a different tune this year. But I feel like running
Speaker 3: back is a little bit deeper this season than it
Speaker 3: has been in past seasons also, which is kind of
Speaker 3: funny that everybody is zigging towards RB and I'm kind
Speaker 3: of feeling this year like well, I kind of like
Speaker 3: some of the wide receivers in the first round this year.
Speaker 2: I do want to talk about strategy here for a minute.
Speaker 2: I do want not that we do tons of like
Speaker 2: news and notes like crazy or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: like things get worse for the forty nine ers right now.
Speaker 2: Can I just point that out Ricky Pierre Saw. I
Speaker 2: think that's the biggest piece that's out there. Ricky Pearsaw
Speaker 2: is out for the season. You also, by the way,
Speaker 2: had Stribbling who got injured. Mike Evans has a hamstring issue.
Speaker 2: The healthiest wide receivers, Deebo, Samuel Bogs, and then you
Speaker 2: got Christian McCaffrey. Still just you know, sucking on the
Speaker 2: life force of every player around, just generating their life
Speaker 2: through the substation in and the Scarlet Witch meme that
Speaker 2: I put out.
Speaker 3: For everybody go to Germany to get what he had done.
Speaker 3: Everybody should go there. Whatever it did, it worked, and
Speaker 3: it keeps you impervious from electrical substations. Apparently as well
Speaker 3: for all the Tinfoil Hack conspiracy theorists in the crowd
Speaker 3: listening today don't feel so ten foilly though when like
Speaker 3: find me and does they jump up and it's like
Speaker 3: they're zapped and they're all hurt. I mean, it's also
Speaker 3: a forty nine er thing of like there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Of Mike Kevin close to our age. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: playing perk like Pier Saul. The peer Saul one was
Speaker 2: brutal too. Also kind of a doctor thing. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you saw that stuff where it was like
Speaker 2: there was a team doctor that had thrown out like
Speaker 2: he doesn't need to do the surgery, and like what
Speaker 2: a dumbass that I went an idiot? That guy is
Speaker 2: go be fired because had they done the surgery right away,
Speaker 2: like you might not be looking at it, and I
Speaker 2: mean you still might.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing going on with Dalton kincaid Man.
Speaker 3: He's had the PCL injury for the last like two
Speaker 3: and a half seasons and he didn't have surgery again,
Speaker 3: which is why I'm avoiding that dude, like the plague.
Speaker 3: So you've seen it in other places as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: The the advice, the substation, the elderness of your offense
Speaker 3: right now, not a surprise. Even your coach is hurt.
Speaker 3: My god, everybody's hurt.
Speaker 2: You know, a really interest. I'm not gonna do this,
Speaker 2: but like I was talking with they wanted to do
Speaker 2: a segment on this at some point. But me Ericson
Speaker 2: and Debro were talking after a show we just did.
Speaker 2: We actually just did a hot takes episode and we
Speaker 2: didn't have hot wings or anything. It was just normal
Speaker 2: hot ta.
Speaker 3: Yeah I'm on the hot wings one of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well that was last year. I think they
Speaker 2: just killed that in general. So unless you saw it
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 3: Schedule, no, no, of course.
Speaker 2: And Erickson was kind of like he wanted to get
Speaker 2: my opinion on what I thought about. There are there
Speaker 2: was like a narrative out there that Kyle Shanahan like
Speaker 2: what if he can't lead and he had the concussions
Speaker 2: and how serious concussions are and he can't be out there.
Speaker 2: I threw a narrative to them that they didn't realize.
Speaker 2: If this is so serious, he's not going to travel
Speaker 2: to Australia for that week one. You're not going to
Speaker 2: go through twenty hours of flights. If you're dealing with
Speaker 2: that type of stuff, you'd stay back. But it was like,
Speaker 2: what do you believe? Is there a concern if Kyle
Speaker 2: Shanahan does can't actually like run the offense. I think
Speaker 2: it's overblown, but like does that affect what the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers do in their creative play calling in game
Speaker 2: and stuff like that? And should that downgrade anybody? I
Speaker 2: thought that was that was a little bit like.
Speaker 3: You know what, it's a decent question. But I think
Speaker 3: that Kyle Shanahan's to psychopath that he'll be out there
Speaker 3: in Stephen Hawkins chair coaching, right Like I think that
Speaker 3: he won't. I don't think he'll be stopped, so, I
Speaker 3: you know, I think he'll be out there in a
Speaker 3: wheelchair coaching.
Speaker 2: So but I don't think. I don't think that's the question.
Speaker 2: It's I don't mentally be able to do it, Like
Speaker 2: even if he couldn't if he was having trouble walking,
Speaker 2: but like that from a cognitive standpoint of whatever the
Speaker 2: hell's going on, that he just might not be there
Speaker 2: and it might be other people doing play calling, and
Speaker 2: that kind of takes away from, you know, the innovativeness
Speaker 2: he has in the offense. And I dismissed it being like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, put more on Purdy's hands. He
Speaker 2: understands the offense, Let him do more of the checkdowns
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Like, I just I'm not sure
Speaker 2: that that's something I care about that much because I
Speaker 2: understand what he does. But his offense is installed in the.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of familiarity, and the guys that
Speaker 3: are there typically are veterans. So I'm not worried about
Speaker 3: the offense for the Niners at all. The defense, No.
Speaker 2: I'm more worried about the Yeah, I'm more worried about
Speaker 2: the injuries, the lingering injuries for the players that I
Speaker 2: am the coach.
Speaker 3: I just thought that was I think everybody but Piercell
Speaker 3: is gonna be Okay, by the time we get to
Speaker 3: like the first preseason game. Yeah, they said Mike Evans
Speaker 3: thing was very minor. It was just like a twinge.
Speaker 3: And at his age, they're like, your tonail hurts, get
Speaker 3: off the field. Same thing with Kirk. He's older though,
Speaker 3: yeah you know, you know, yeah, practice, go to NAPA,
Speaker 3: go somewhere else, for God's sake.
Speaker 2: Anywhere else. Just go to on fire. I think a
Speaker 2: charity box like get away from all the rays that
Speaker 2: are getting in there. Just but that should it should
Speaker 2: have a domed charity box like like of Spring or whatever.
Speaker 2: We call it, like a camp stadium that they should
Speaker 2: be playing and put that money in taxi.
Speaker 3: Wait till the solar flare gets all of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I'll tell you the other piece of news again,
Speaker 2: this is these are wide receiver things in an RB episode.
Speaker 2: But I just want to get your take on Milik Neighbors.
Speaker 2: The resurgence of Milak Neighbors is pretty fascinating. He has
Speaker 2: been out there kind of the opposite of the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers. He's cutting, he's juking, he's driving. He looks
Speaker 2: like the Milik Neighbors that we've known, and he looks
Speaker 2: great and I saw our boy d pak Chona had
Speaker 2: put a video out that you know, his staff or
Speaker 2: him or you know his team believe that the trend
Speaker 2: is that Milik Neighbors is going to be a full
Speaker 2: go in week one and he had a really interesting thing.
Speaker 2: I want to get your take on this, Like we
Speaker 2: I think we did a show last week where we
Speaker 2: talked about this a little bit, but or we did
Speaker 2: something I don't remember where it was. I know we
Speaker 2: talked about this as a recent which it was it
Speaker 2: was on itl okay, but he had said, you know,
Speaker 2: we talked about him going like thirteen or twelve. He said,
Speaker 2: right now he would take Milik Neighbors over Rashi Rice
Speaker 2: and Nico Collins. He's in that range of where he
Speaker 2: would be taking him.
Speaker 3: Uh okay, I still have him at thirteen. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: I just don't want to push. I think having him
Speaker 3: at thirteen bakes in anything coming off of this as well.
Speaker 3: You know, if we want to say, you know, are
Speaker 3: they gonna let him play in the preseason, is he
Speaker 3: that healthy? Like if if they let him play in
Speaker 3: the preseason, put him back up to seven, that's where
Speaker 3: he belongs, right But if they don't do that, they're
Speaker 3: still cautious with him, and I expect him to play
Speaker 3: Week one and be not on a pitch count. Right
Speaker 3: So everything looks good right now. I think you bake
Speaker 3: in a little bit of that injury stuff with him.
Speaker 3: So I have him at thirteen. I'm not taking him
Speaker 3: ahead of Nico. I have him one spot ahead or
Speaker 3: she Rice. I have or she Rice at fourteen, which
Speaker 3: again I'm not You know, he also has injury stuff,
Speaker 3: so I thirteen is the highest I can get him
Speaker 3: right now. If they put him in a preseason game,
Speaker 3: I will stick him at seven. But I don't think
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. So he's gonna be my first wide
Speaker 3: receiver two, which means I probably won't be rostering Thelak
Speaker 3: neighbors anywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I might be willing to take that risk,
Speaker 2: even in the wide receiver two standpoint, because I really
Speaker 2: like where things you are moving. Last thing before we
Speaker 2: get to our running backs, football is about to start up.
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame game is here. It's gonna be a
Speaker 2: big old pilot garbage game. You've We've got some betting
Speaker 2: stuff that's coming up here. You know, weout maybe Hans
Speaker 2: is going to be out there like we're We're just
Speaker 2: so close to all of the action. I just I
Speaker 2: got to get your feel like football is about to
Speaker 2: be played in a couple of days. Is that is
Speaker 2: your life force about to be recharged?
Speaker 3: I do feel pretty good about it. You know, the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame game, that is not my favorite thing
Speaker 3: in the world, but whatever, who cares, it's football, Give
Speaker 3: it to me.
Speaker 2: Are we going to see Week zero?
Speaker 3: Is maybe a little because it's.
Speaker 2: Cardinals Panthers, Like, could we see I don't think that's
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Think you're not seeing Jonathan Brooks. I'll tell you why
Speaker 3: are they still playing the game at this really crappy
Speaker 3: stadium in Canton? They are playing it at.
Speaker 2: The crappy Canton Stadium, Yes, Tom Benson Hall of Fame Stadium.
Speaker 3: Then you will not see one snap of Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 3: on this field, not a single one.
Speaker 2: This does feel like the field that would eat him
Speaker 2: up and spit him out right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's torn so many guys knees. No
Speaker 3: way they remember. A couple of years ago they canceled
Speaker 3: the preseason the Hall of Fame game because the field
Speaker 3: was such garbage so I assume that it's been fixed
Speaker 3: since then, but I haven't been digging into it. But
Speaker 3: you will not see one snap.
Speaker 2: John, Give me one player that's going to shine in
Speaker 2: that game. Give me some player. No one's even Carson Beck.
Speaker 2: Oh you think Carson Beck. We're gonna have Carson Beck
Speaker 2: shine after this.
Speaker 3: Word is that Carson Beck has looked good in the
Speaker 3: two minute drills and stuff. And the guy had he's
Speaker 3: one of those like you know, Parcels had that branch
Speaker 3: of you have to have forty starts and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys he has. He hits all
Speaker 3: those parameters. Yeah, Bill Parcells wanted for a guy to
Speaker 3: come in. Uh, he's had a lot of starts. He
Speaker 3: started like two or three seasons at Georgia and he
Speaker 3: started obviously last year at Miami and they went all
Speaker 3: the way to the Natty. So a lot of games
Speaker 3: under his belt, turned the turnovers way down last year.
Speaker 3: And if they can block for him, I think whatever
Speaker 3: quarterback comes into Arizona and gets this job. You have
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Love, you have Marvin Harrison, you have Drey McBride,
Speaker 3: you have Michael Wilson, You have a really good offensive
Speaker 3: skill pieces around you. So I'm excited to see Carson back.
Speaker 2: Still gonna lose every game this season, but I'm also excited.
Speaker 2: So that's what you're going to look for in the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame game. All right, let's take a break.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we are going to go through
Speaker 2: the ranks top twenty four running backs, what the ITL
Speaker 2: aggregate is, how that compares against ECR, what the projections are.
Speaker 2: It's a conversation around ranks, and these are the guys
Speaker 2: that we're looking at. So don't go anywhere. Running back
Speaker 2: ranks coming up right after this. I generally come in
Speaker 2: at least fifteen minutes late.
Speaker 3: I use the side door, and after that I just
Speaker 3: sort of space.
Speaker 1: Out for about an hour.
Speaker 3: Tell me space out.
Speaker 2: I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real actual work.
Speaker 2: Would you feel good? Sport and indulge this and just
Speaker 2: tell us a little more. Let me tell you something
Speaker 2: about in this league, all right, are running ranks? The
Speaker 2: ITL ranks are actually opposite of ECR right now. But
Speaker 2: I think in most spaces it's one A one D situation.
Speaker 2: Whether it's Jean Robinson or Jamiir Gibbs, you and I,
Speaker 2: and the ITL rank has Bajon Robinson at one. That
Speaker 2: is where ECR has him at two. We both obviously
Speaker 2: have him at one, and Jamier gives it too. I
Speaker 2: think it's like a super super close spot here. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 2: we're not as I'll go through some of the projections
Speaker 2: on some of the places. I want to always be
Speaker 2: careful about places that have pay walls and stuff. But
Speaker 2: Bajon comes in as the second running back on Fantasy
Speaker 2: Pros and Fantasy Points projections, the third on PFF where
Speaker 2: Jamiir Gibbs is number one across the board, number one
Speaker 2: across the board. There quick thoughts on this. I'll talk
Speaker 2: about some projections here, but you know the offense runs
Speaker 2: through Bjon. I don't think it does. It's the same
Speaker 2: thing with Jamiir Gibbs. I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 2: This is one of those very few situations where like
Speaker 2: if I were if I were a mad best ball guy,
Speaker 2: you know that's just like, hey, look I just did
Speaker 2: my fiftieth draft. I would and I had, like, let's
Speaker 2: say twenty.
Speaker 3: You diversify those bonds.
Speaker 2: I would diversify because I like both of these guys.
Speaker 2: I think there's an easy path where Jamiir Gibbs can
Speaker 2: be number one. I think I've kind of bounced back
Speaker 2: and forth between these guys. I would play a little
Speaker 2: bit of a diversification, but frankly, to me, that would
Speaker 2: be why like, give me the second pick over the
Speaker 2: first pick, because I'll take either one. I don't personally
Speaker 2: set Jean Way over Jamiir Gibbs, but I don't know
Speaker 2: if you feel any of me neither.
Speaker 3: No, no, And I've said this before, it is it
Speaker 3: is a coin flip as to who, and I don't
Speaker 3: mind Gibbs being one. I think the Lions are the
Speaker 3: better offense. I don't think there's, you know, a very
Speaker 3: hearty argument for that. Maybe TOA makes Atlanta way better initially, right,
Speaker 3: to A can do that sometimes, but how long is
Speaker 3: he gonna last until they go back to Michael Pennix? Right?
Speaker 3: So I think it is pretty even. I just really
Speaker 3: I think Pacheco is better at this point than Brian
Speaker 3: Robbins Junior was behind Beijon, So I think maybe they
Speaker 3: go to p check out a little bit more near
Speaker 3: the goal line than they do for Bejon. That's my
Speaker 3: hair splitting if you want to say, look, the Lions
Speaker 3: offense is going to score more. There's gonna be more
Speaker 3: opportunities for Gibbs to get in the enzone than there
Speaker 3: is for Bejon. Also okay with that, but that is
Speaker 3: a tier to themselves, those two guys, in my.
Speaker 2: Opinion, one thing I do Stara and it does make
Speaker 2: me think because if you start, if you want to
Speaker 2: start splitting hairs a little bit. This is kind of
Speaker 2: lined up on Fantasy Pros and interesting thing you can
Speaker 2: see from a strength of schedule standpoint. I did this
Speaker 2: on a show with Ericson and Debro. The Lions are
Speaker 2: the number one strength of schedule, the best strength of
Speaker 2: schedule rest of season are into the season. That's one
Speaker 2: of those reasons why a lot of people kind of
Speaker 2: like that first to work or last a first type
Speaker 2: of thing where they were last in the division and
Speaker 2: they could maybe take down this division with a really
Speaker 2: really easy schedule. Does that do anything for you because
Speaker 2: also the Falcons, I'm not looking at the FU I
Speaker 2: had a couple of charts when I was doing this before,
Speaker 2: but the Fantasy Pros chart shows a two star, so
Speaker 2: it's actually a bad strength of schedule for Jon versus
Speaker 2: the best NFL schedule out there for the Lion. Should
Speaker 2: that play any role in your mind?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: No, it's funny. I saw a big Reddit thread and
Speaker 3: it was a bunch of people going over strength to
Speaker 3: schedule before the season everything. It just has never correlated
Speaker 3: well with who is going to play better or worse.
Speaker 2: But hey, look at Drake may best strength of schedule
Speaker 2: last year and he played as like a top three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we didn't know that strength of schedule was
Speaker 3: so easy going into the season, right.
Speaker 2: Oh, No, I think we didn't. I think that's I
Speaker 2: think it was a big public thing.
Speaker 3: I don't think we did. Dude. Maybe I could be mistaken.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know if it was the number one,
Speaker 2: but it was definitely in the positive strength of schedule.
Speaker 3: Okay, so one example of it working, and that's yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean not to discount it.
Speaker 3: It's no quick, that's okay, And and I m'd be
Speaker 3: wrong about that. But they looked at they somebody went
Speaker 3: back into the he did like ten years worth of
Speaker 3: strength of schedule. It has not correlate correlated well the
Speaker 3: fantasy production. So strength of schedule is something to me.
Speaker 3: It's more use in college football when you're playing different
Speaker 3: teams at different levels. In the NFL, that's why they
Speaker 3: call it any given Sunday, Right, anything can happen. We're
Speaker 3: surprised every single week by by some team winning. And
Speaker 3: I mean, look at you know the difference between playing
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh with TJ. Watt with versus playing without him, the
Speaker 3: Packers playing with Michael Parsons without him. Right, So a
Speaker 3: guy go one guy goes down and changes the entire
Speaker 3: dynamic of a NFL defense. So strength to schedule, to me,
Speaker 3: is never something that I'm incorporating in my ranking. So
Speaker 3: I'm just not I don't care. It's going to change
Speaker 3: throughout the season, So it's not something that I look
Speaker 3: at that maybe for betting for the overall team that's something,
Speaker 3: but not for fantasy for a specific player, in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Something I wanted to look at. I want to look
Speaker 2: at PFF projections. I'm going to be light about this,
Speaker 2: by the way, because I said, like I said, you
Speaker 2: want to have subscriptions to these, and I don't want
Speaker 2: to give away all their stuff. But that's the one
Speaker 2: where Gives is one and Beijon is three on that
Speaker 2: list and the difference is twenty four more carries for Gibbs.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm being very specific over one hundred more yards,
Speaker 2: but this is the big one. Almost four more rushing
Speaker 2: touchdowns the same amount of receiving touchdowns. Jeon has given
Speaker 2: more receiving yards, but it's the touchdowns. So the expectation
Speaker 2: is the offense is going to be a lot more
Speaker 2: of a powerhouse in Detroit? Yeay or nay? Do you
Speaker 2: think there could be a discrepancy of touchdowns in favor
Speaker 2: of Gibbs to Bajon. Again, I'm making this defense to
Speaker 2: you as someone who you have Beajon at number one.
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit more on the fence about this one.
Speaker 2: You have one too, don't you. Yeah, No, I haven't
Speaker 2: met one, But like I said, I think this is
Speaker 2: super super super close to me. And that's why I
Speaker 2: actually had Gibbs at one for a little bit. And
Speaker 2: I'm really torn on this.
Speaker 3: This is what happened last year, right, Gibbs had thirteen
Speaker 3: touchdowns rushing, Beijon had seven receiving. It was five for
Speaker 3: Gibbs and four for Bejon. So you know that is
Speaker 3: eighteen to eleven, so seven more scores but we know
Speaker 3: Tyler Algier took a lot of those goal line carries
Speaker 3: away from Bijon. I don't think that Brian Robinson gets
Speaker 3: the same Tyler Algier treatment. Maybe he does, Maybe I'm
Speaker 3: mistaken in that. I just don't think Brian Robinson is
Speaker 3: the same type of runner that Tyler. Tyler Algeer is
Speaker 3: a violent runner. He could be the front of I
Speaker 3: thought he should have been the starter for the Cardinals
Speaker 3: right when he signed there. So I just don't. I
Speaker 3: don't see Brian Robinson as that type of guy. So
Speaker 3: I think Bjon will score more this year, which is
Speaker 3: part of the reason why I have him.
Speaker 2: One are you are you an? Are you a Bijon
Speaker 2: or Jeon and Gibbs over any of the wide receivers.
Speaker 2: What is your strategy to the high end running back
Speaker 2: at the very top of drafts?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do have at the top of my board
Speaker 3: it's Bjon Gibbs, and then I have Chase at three,
Speaker 3: I have Bjon Gibbs, Chase Nakua JSN, then I have
Speaker 3: CMC at six, then another blood of wide receivers before.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was just curious if because I think the
Speaker 2: really discussion point is is are you a Chase before
Speaker 2: the RBS or if you want to throw a pooka
Speaker 2: in there, are you the RB's and I have seen
Speaker 2: I feel like, oh, I'm definitely not gonna say unanimous
Speaker 2: because there's spots where it's changed, but like it's pretty easy.
Speaker 2: And how if you count the last ten years, when
Speaker 2: do you remember two running backs going with picks one
Speaker 2: and two overall? I maybe five years if you've put that.
Speaker 2: I don't remember in the last five years, because Chase
Speaker 2: has been around as well, where you've seen two running
Speaker 2: backs go one to one and one two?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe, yeah, two, I don't remember. Maybe Saquon went
Speaker 3: one year he got traded today was a year he
Speaker 3: signed with the Eagles, But yeah, but I don't remember
Speaker 3: the guy behind him. So yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 3: I think it has been a little bit so. But
Speaker 3: these are my mind one and two overall as well.
Speaker 2: I wish I need to get pro this is something
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get prosed to do. I'd love to just
Speaker 2: click and look at what the board, like the ADP
Speaker 2: boards look like in twenty twenty four, just like quickly,
Speaker 2: you know, like historicitp. Sure, yeah, yeah, exactly like more
Speaker 2: historical ADP. By the way, Fantasy Pros also has real
Speaker 2: time ADP available, and not that it would change, but
Speaker 2: I find this interesting. If you know, when you get
Speaker 2: like granular to the to the decimals one point four
Speaker 2: for Gibbs, one point eight for Bijon, three point five
Speaker 2: for Chase, so it's like so definitively those two, then
Speaker 2: it becomes the next guy up. There is no question
Speaker 2: to me at number three, because I personally think this
Speaker 2: guy belongs in the tier with Gibbs and Bejon. I
Speaker 2: know PFF projections has Jonathan Taylor as the number four
Speaker 2: or the number three running back, but you and I
Speaker 2: both have Christian McCaffrey at three. That's the IL one,
Speaker 2: that's ECR one. The only things that ever differ out
Speaker 2: of this is Fantasy points and PFF have Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 2: projected at four. And I really think the thing that
Speaker 2: I would hold true here is if you look at
Speaker 2: a per game side, Christian McCaffrey average and half PPR
Speaker 2: three more points per game than Bajeon or Gibbs, like
Speaker 2: that is telling. The most Fantasy points scored by a
Speaker 2: running back was Christian McCaffrey he was almost a thousand
Speaker 2: thousand guy, had one hundred and two catches for nine
Speaker 2: hundred yards. He had seventeen touchdowns. The only argument against it,
Speaker 2: still in my mind, is his injury. Now you could say,
Speaker 2: like Mike Evans is a good red zone option. You
Speaker 2: could say maybe their offense is going to be a
Speaker 2: little bit, you know, worse because of like some of
Speaker 2: the injuries are going on. I think you could argue
Speaker 2: their defense sucks, sucks to a level that they might
Speaker 2: have more offensive opportunities. I just like I can't. I
Speaker 2: can't work through unless he's injured, which there is a
Speaker 2: history not last year, how he isn't seen in the
Speaker 2: top three and it's hard to take him over Gibbs
Speaker 2: or Bajon or something like that. But like, I think
Speaker 2: he's easily the third running back unless you are injury scared.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look I have been in the past with
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey. Last year, I was injury scared about Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 3: but he proved me wrong, right, and now we're going.
Speaker 3: The best thing that CMC could do for us this
Speaker 3: year would be to have a good year where he
Speaker 3: stays completely healthy. That's obvious but it was also shut
Speaker 3: up a little bit of the narrative about the four
Speaker 3: hundred touches, right, because this is like the line in
Speaker 3: the sand that everybody draws at the four hundred touches,
Speaker 3: and because all those guys break down the next year,
Speaker 3: it's pretty undefeated. So that would be nice.
Speaker 2: But I think just the upside swing.
Speaker 3: Running backs get hurt. That's just the nature of the
Speaker 3: beast of the game. Except for last year, when a
Speaker 3: lot of these guys stayed healthy throughout most of the season. Everybody,
Speaker 3: like we said, except for Marian Hampton, got you know,
Speaker 3: seventeen or sixteen games in here. Everyone that we have
Speaker 3: ranked up through fourteen played at least sixteen games last year.
Speaker 3: So CMC, I understand people worrying about him because I
Speaker 3: did it last year and he has the four hundred
Speaker 3: touches and he's a little bit older. But I think
Speaker 3: if you look at this offense and you look at
Speaker 3: this defense, I think it's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey. Again. I mean, know, Shanahan every year says
Speaker 3: we want to give him the ball less. That's why we,
Speaker 3: you know, go and get Kaylin Black. They brought in
Speaker 3: Brian Robinson Junior last year and did nothing with him.
Speaker 3: So it's just gonna be CMC until the wheels completely
Speaker 3: fall off for him and he has to be at
Speaker 3: three for me. If you don't like him, I understand that,
Speaker 3: try to get out of that spot, I guess, so
Speaker 3: drafting him, I have moved him down. I initially had
Speaker 3: him third overall. N I have him at six overall,
Speaker 3: behind all those wide receivers, but I can't get him
Speaker 3: any lower than six. Six is the lowest I can go.
Speaker 2: I really like that five spot. I think that five
Speaker 2: spot's kind of cool because it's like, you know, Okay,
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work out and McCaffrey goes three, you know,
Speaker 2: I guess if you wanted one of those three running backs,
Speaker 2: you miss out, but you're gonna get like Chase or
Speaker 2: Pukakua like his ADP on there.
Speaker 3: I bet it's like eight and a half. I bet
Speaker 3: it's low because there are times where I just I
Speaker 3: have seen him go way low in the Super five
Speaker 3: the day is it five?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's fine, I'm go lookinge at the real time
Speaker 2: by the way, the real time ADP, which has like
Speaker 2: seven and whatever updates. But it also has the position.
Speaker 2: Let me let me look one more, let me look
Speaker 2: at a nothing finish. What you were gonna say.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, just in the super flex mark that
Speaker 3: we did the other day, it is super flex. But
Speaker 3: I got him picked nine in the I picked nine
Speaker 3: overall and I got him in the second round. So
Speaker 3: what is that? Sixteen seventeen overall? So and that wasn't
Speaker 3: even like QB's weren't going like crazy, So you just
Speaker 3: fell and fell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, using we have a sleeper this is what sleeper
Speaker 2: and RTS Sports, ESPN pp R. Let me look at
Speaker 2: this one. That was that standard ADP under half PPR
Speaker 2: which incorporates Yahoo, I don't know, RTS Sports and Sleepercaffrey's
Speaker 2: fifth overall. So okay, that's what I was about to say.
Speaker 2: That five spot. I think that's like a pretty good
Speaker 2: one because you get four or five if you really
Speaker 2: wanted to lock down it a chance to get one
Speaker 2: of those, or you get one of the high sixth
Speaker 2: On ESPN.
Speaker 3: Just looking at ESPN Live Draft trends, it's Gibbs, bijon
Speaker 3: Hookah at three, then Chase in JSN, then CMC at six.
Speaker 2: So McCaffrey on FP projections was just under eleven hundred yards.
Speaker 2: She's sixty nine on the attempts way less catches seventy
Speaker 2: eight for six ninety three, so essentially like thirteen touchdowns.
Speaker 2: The big thing that is surrounding him, And unfortunately this
Speaker 2: isn't probably the podcast for it, but he did do
Speaker 2: the four hundred touch thing. And that's like the mystery
Speaker 2: magical marker that all jokes aside Tekoon Barkley, everybody uses
Speaker 2: it against Taquon Barkley that year. You were adamantly against it.
Speaker 2: I was against it, and it was right because Barkley
Speaker 2: was not good. That four hundred marker of success is
Speaker 2: staring McCaffrey in the face. And the typical side of
Speaker 2: it is guys with four hundred carries do not perform
Speaker 2: the following year. Just a weird data point. I don't
Speaker 2: even think there's that many like guys that have beat that.
Speaker 2: So McCaffrey is going up against that, which I think
Speaker 2: is kind of a it's kind of like a natural against.
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure I've seen even the likes of
Speaker 2: like Ericson and them kind of crap on McCaffrey because
Speaker 2: I think the difference with some of those guys is
Speaker 2: McCaffrey's usage in the receiving game is so dominant it
Speaker 2: creates a floor where even if you take him as
Speaker 2: the RB three, it's like, unless he gets hurt, really,
Speaker 2: where's he gonna finish? Where's he where? I mean, what
Speaker 2: is gonna happen? Regardless of the touches.
Speaker 3: He's I think the risk is baked in at six overall, right,
Speaker 3: because he averaged how many points last year twenty four
Speaker 3: and a half points. It's more than everybody by a lot.
Speaker 3: You know, Bije almost twenty one point eight gives a
Speaker 3: twenty one point six and eight Channel was twenty point two.
Speaker 3: Nobody else was over twenty on a per game basis
Speaker 3: in half PPR last year. So yeah, I mean, he's
Speaker 3: just it's baked in there. The injury risk at six,
Speaker 3: to me, it is. But I know some people just
Speaker 3: avoid him like the plague, and that's fine. I was
Speaker 3: that guy last year.
Speaker 2: FP is the most aggressive on the projections PFF and
Speaker 2: Fantasy points a little bit longer. FP is not behind
Speaker 2: a pay while I don't believe. If you want to
Speaker 2: check it out or if it is, go get your
Speaker 2: yourself an account all right, So coming in, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: actually do four through ten now, just to get the
Speaker 2: names out of the way and we can talk about
Speaker 2: some of them. The ITL rank. Coming in at four
Speaker 2: as Jonathan Taylor. This is where the first devolving is.
Speaker 2: You've got Jonathan Taylor at four. I've got him at five.
Speaker 2: The running back five on our board is James Cook,
Speaker 2: where I have him at four, you have him at five.
Speaker 2: So we just swapped Jonathan Taylor and James Cook. I'm higher.
Speaker 2: Coming in at six is Ashton Genty. I've got him
Speaker 2: at six, You've got him at seven. His ECR is six.
Speaker 2: By the way. Coming in at number seven is Devon
Speaker 2: ah Chan, who you have at six, I have at eight.
Speaker 2: Number eight is Chase Brown. I've got at seven, you've
Speaker 2: got it eight. And then we share the same rank
Speaker 2: for this guy. For these two guys Sick one Barkley
Speaker 2: and A Marion Hampton, we both have at nine and ten.
Speaker 2: The biggest alteration Saque is ECR seven. We are both
Speaker 2: at nine, and Devon A. Chan is ec ten, and
Speaker 2: we are both higher. Regardless of you are the highest highest.
Speaker 2: You've got eight Chan at six. I'm at ten. So
Speaker 2: let's actually start there with Devon a Chan. He said
Speaker 2: on an interview the other day, who wants to get
Speaker 2: the rushing title? It is a horrifically on paper bad
Speaker 2: looking offense. Though, if you want to get hyped about
Speaker 2: the Dolphins, I highly suggest you go and listen to
Speaker 2: the hot Takes episode that I did with Ericson and Deebro.
Speaker 2: That'll get you hyped up a little bit. But it's
Speaker 2: a horrifically bad looking offense. So I guess it's hard
Speaker 2: to it's easy to picture that he gets a usage.
Speaker 2: It's hard to picture where they're efficient. But you've got
Speaker 2: him at six, so you're not screwing around with Devon
Speaker 2: h and your four spots higher than ECR. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I've watched eight Chan be a lot
Speaker 3: like you know with ken Walker coming in right, and
Speaker 3: the situations are different. We'll talk about ken Walker a
Speaker 3: little bit later, but it was the same deal in
Speaker 3: college for eight Chan as it was for Walker. This
Speaker 3: is what impressed me about it. Everybody knew a Chan
Speaker 3: was getting the ball in the stadium, and he's still
Speaker 3: almost everybody he played right. We know the ball is
Speaker 3: going to him, we know the ball is going to
Speaker 3: Walker and he they still run wild on everybody, which
Speaker 3: you know it's the hardest to do with the NFL.
Speaker 3: But it's not like it's not like this is a
Speaker 3: new thing for him. The Dolphins offense wasn't amazing last year,
Speaker 3: It wasn't amazing the year before. It was still pretty bad, right,
Speaker 3: So uh, he has done it with less production around him.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be a lot of options with him and
Speaker 3: Malik willis running. I'm kind of excited to see what
Speaker 3: it looks like now. Is he gonna have eight in
Speaker 3: the box all the time? Sure? Are there gonna be
Speaker 3: some duds in there that are gonna make you mad? Yes,
Speaker 3: but I think most guys have those games. So a
Speaker 3: Chan to me is still an elite level RB, and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna draft him as such.
Speaker 2: He is the sixth projected running back on PFF and
Speaker 2: Fantasy Pro seven at Fantasy points. Let's go look at
Speaker 2: Fantasy points real quick and see what's going with eight Han.
Speaker 2: He is projected for around eighteen points per game. They
Speaker 2: are saying just around twelve hundred yards sixty catches four hundred,
Speaker 2: so if you do the yards's like sixteen hundred total
Speaker 2: yards it's like nine touchdowns, and I think that's where
Speaker 2: it is, is they're really worried about, like where the
Speaker 2: touchdowns are gonna come from. Though I would argue that
Speaker 2: the highest equitied player of getting touchdowns is probably a chan.
Speaker 2: They just must be looking at like opportunities are really low,
Speaker 2: So that's the hot The lowest of the projections on
Speaker 2: him overall. ECR again is at ten, and he's just
Speaker 2: he's kind of a tricky one. Like in full PPR,
Speaker 2: I think I'm a little bit more excited about him.
Speaker 2: In half PPR, I really haven't quite come to terms
Speaker 2: with like like if they feed him the rock regardless,
Speaker 2: I think he's too explosive. I'm just worried you're gonna
Speaker 2: have such stunted offensive drives that I just I couldn't
Speaker 2: put him above Ashton Genty. I couldn't put him above
Speaker 2: a Chase Brown specifically, like those are guy. I have
Speaker 2: just a lot more faith in though I think Devon
Speaker 2: Aitchen might be maybe the most talented though I will
Speaker 2: tell you shout out to you would love this channel.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know them. Have you ever heard of film watchers?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just like was watching something and you know
Speaker 2: what it was too. It was actually a video on
Speaker 2: Chewba Hubbard because the guy had Chewba Hubbard on and
Speaker 2: they were going and I thought of you, like I
Speaker 2: could just see you sitting there like talking Chewba Hubbard
Speaker 2: and he was talking about all these things. But then
Speaker 2: it was this video on Ashton genty And whenever you
Speaker 2: like sit in and just like watch tape on stuff,
Speaker 2: like the hype on Ashton Jenty get you excited, but
Speaker 2: regardless of the of it, Like the Raiders have kind
Speaker 2: of a worrisome offense, but I'm if you have more
Speaker 2: confidence that they are going to move the ball deeper
Speaker 2: than like the Dolphins are.
Speaker 3: So this is one of those the kid that looks
Speaker 3: like John Madden a little bit right, but.
Speaker 2: He's like he's like twenty five years old. Like he's
Speaker 2: super energetic. Yeah, Like it's like a cross between John
Speaker 2: Madden and Chris Farley. This kid, he's so energetic. Like
Speaker 2: if you just told me this kid does like film watching,
Speaker 2: I would be like, I I don't care what he
Speaker 2: has to say, like just looking at him being totally honest.
Speaker 2: But then you listen to him and you watch and
Speaker 2: you're like, just get smart. This is great, this is
Speaker 2: super entertaining. Like shout out to him. I shout at
Speaker 2: him out on Fantasy Pros. I very much enjoyed his
Speaker 2: videos and he's super energetic about it, and I really
Speaker 2: and like he got me hyped up even more on
Speaker 2: on a guy like Ashton genty. But Gent I was
Speaker 2: like a little bit indifferent about because of the inefficient
Speaker 2: inefficiencies of that offense last year and really just that
Speaker 2: offensive line. But I think they're in a better position
Speaker 2: to move the ball. And I think a year into this,
Speaker 2: a year into him having that veteran presence, I think
Speaker 2: Gent's ready to have that big breakout. And if we
Speaker 2: look at projections on him, let's see gent is high
Speaker 2: is on PFF and his low as on Fantasy pros.
Speaker 2: So let's see where those differ, just for a second
Speaker 2: or fantasy points. I think genty is twelve hundred yards
Speaker 2: with seven touchdowns fifty eight catches, about four hundred yards
Speaker 2: on PFF. I say that was the high one. I think,
Speaker 2: so yeah, And the low one it's about a thousand yards,
Speaker 2: eight touchdowns, fifty catches for him, So it's really like
Speaker 2: it's like almost fifteen hundred or one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: ish rushing yards lower, and it's a touchdown equity. So
Speaker 2: it's the same thing. Gent and Chen are kind of
Speaker 2: in the same place where the offenses are a little
Speaker 2: bit stalled. Maybe you could make a case that a
Speaker 2: Chan is a bit more explosive and can be involved
Speaker 2: more in the passing game. But I just prefer Gent
Speaker 2: over a Chan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too. In the Dolphins, by the way,
Speaker 3: score No, you prefer a Chan over Gent Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm just enthusiastic about both them. They're in
Speaker 3: the same kind of situation right where. You know, I
Speaker 3: think we like the quarterback situation, of course, more for
Speaker 3: the Raiders, even though they're going to start Cousins first,
Speaker 3: which I think is eyeroll. I think Cousins is washed.
Speaker 3: But okay, you know, I know Tom Brady has this
Speaker 3: whole crusade against guys starting right when they get into
Speaker 3: the NFL and all that, because we don't develop these
Speaker 3: guys anymore, even though fernandomand does at a bunch of
Speaker 3: starts the last two years in college and won the
Speaker 3: national title. But last year was just such a disaster, right,
Speaker 3: eight men in the box had I think among qualified players.
Speaker 3: He had the lowest yards before contact ashon genty last season.
Speaker 3: You know, they have no wide receivers again this year,
Speaker 3: just like the Dolphins don't. But I've seen this.
Speaker 2: Dude do it.
Speaker 3: You know, even though it was a smaller level in
Speaker 3: college as well. He's gonna get all the touches because
Speaker 3: behind him is Mike Washington, the rookie right, and Mike
Speaker 3: Washington is undeveloped as well. So I just think, I
Speaker 3: think gent is going to have so many touches this year,
Speaker 3: and I think a chance is gonna have so many
Speaker 3: touches and a lot of what fantasy is his volume?
Speaker 2: You have not updated your Fantasy pros ranks. I don't believe.
Speaker 3: No, I'm in the middle of doing it right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, you would, well, I guess the standard there you.
Speaker 3: Would probably don't look at that here. I'll give you no.
Speaker 2: Actually, you are right. You know you haven't met six
Speaker 2: here at RB six SORR. I was looking at standard
Speaker 2: and I don't know why it default. It should never
Speaker 2: default the standard. I've had this conversations forever. But you
Speaker 2: are in like the top, you know, twelve to fifteen
Speaker 2: percent of rankers, the highest rankers. One person has genty
Speaker 2: at three by the way, on ANYCR and then there's.
Speaker 3: That I cannot see that, Like I can't get anybody
Speaker 3: past CMC, and I definitely can't get them past Jonathan
Speaker 3: Taylor either, So that is why.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that at all. There are four people
Speaker 2: who have them at four. You'll love one of them.
Speaker 2: It's your boy.
Speaker 3: Bred Evans from Beyond brad Evans.
Speaker 2: Bred Evans got him at four, and then there's a
Speaker 2: group that have him at five, and then the seven
Speaker 2: eight rankers like dominate kind of the world there, but
Speaker 2: you are above them. You're in the sixth range with
Speaker 2: you know, a handful of people, so you're up in
Speaker 2: like a higher tier group. So you were definitely there.
Speaker 2: I think the lowest ranker is Rudy Gambill, who as
Speaker 2: him at twenty, So I'm kind of yeah.
Speaker 3: Is that I feel like that ranking. If we talked
Speaker 3: to Rudy, I bet it would be more about the
Speaker 3: Raiders offense than just chent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll bet it's just he's a projections guy, so
Speaker 2: I would I would probably say it's like heavy projections,
Speaker 2: all right. Going back to this here, I mean, anybody
Speaker 2: else we want to do like heavy breakdowns on I
Speaker 2: think James Cook is super interesting the potential receiving upside
Speaker 2: and the touchdown equity. I don't think anything's going to
Speaker 2: change there Barkley. You know what, we's probably focus on
Speaker 2: these bottom two because Barkley definitely has the potential to
Speaker 2: be a really good bounce back option because he is
Speaker 2: so talented and he's we've seen him be a number
Speaker 2: one guy before and he was kind of crushed last
Speaker 2: year and kind of inefficiencies. That offense as a whole
Speaker 2: was so inefficient. You could argue, what's going to change
Speaker 2: with aj Brown out? But he seems like there's opportunity
Speaker 2: there in a bounce back but compared to the guy
Speaker 2: next to him, So let's do a battle here on
Speaker 2: what the differences are, and I'll tell you some big
Speaker 2: differences projections about a Marion Hampton, where you have Hampton
Speaker 2: at ten and Barkley at nine. ECR has Barkley at
Speaker 2: seven and Hampton at nine. But Hampton is one of
Speaker 2: those risers, dude, He's one of those just guys that
Speaker 2: everybody wants to click and have because it's you know,
Speaker 2: you talk about all the things about a Chan, Well, okay,
Speaker 2: what if Hampton is the number one guy McDaniels system,
Speaker 2: They're going to be checking down the ball. He's going
Speaker 2: to be the force. Erickson or maybe it was Debro said,
Speaker 2: imagine Hampton in that couple of year ago. Raheem, yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: nothing but score score score score score. So Hampton and
Speaker 2: Barkley are this battle of like the past and the future.
Speaker 2: The projections are a wild game. But talk to me
Speaker 2: and give me the battle of Hampton versus Barkley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen, I have a tier right here. My
Speaker 3: tier goes from four to ten. Right, I go, J T. Cook,
Speaker 3: h Chan, Gent Brown, Barkley, Hampton, They're all in that tier.
Speaker 3: And then I move beyond this tier. But I I
Speaker 3: these guys have upside to be a top five running back, right,
Speaker 3: no doubt Barkley, We've seen him do it in the past. Uh.
Speaker 3: You know that there's he he got the offseason rest
Speaker 3: that he needed after the four hundred touch season and
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah blah. So you know Barkley would
Speaker 3: just be repeating and having a little better luck specifically
Speaker 3: this season. Hampton. Uh, I mean this whole offense, everybody's
Speaker 3: so excited for this whole offense. You fix the oh line,
Speaker 3: you bring in a better play caller here, right, everyone
Speaker 3: should be way more excited for this offense. But not
Speaker 3: every piece is going to pop. If I had to
Speaker 3: pick one, it would be Omary and Hampton. So I'm
Speaker 3: a little surprised. You said, yea, his CCR is nine,
Speaker 3: so I like one spot below ECR. But I mean,
Speaker 3: this is a dude that I could see finishing, finishing
Speaker 3: as high as four. That's why I have him in
Speaker 3: this tier. So a three down back. He can do everything.
Speaker 3: He catch the ball out of the backfield, he can
Speaker 3: do it all. I don't know if they want him
Speaker 3: to do it all. You know they've dropped. They brought
Speaker 3: in Keaton Mitchell, A lot of people like him. I
Speaker 3: really like camani Videll still right, but look when a
Speaker 3: Chan was dominating, McDaniel gave the ball repeatedly to a
Speaker 3: Chan like if that's the best weapon in your tool bag,
Speaker 3: he's going to get the ball. And right now, the
Speaker 3: best tool in the tool bag to me is Omarion
Speaker 3: Hampton for the Chargers offense.
Speaker 2: So so check this out. I'm going to give you two.
Speaker 2: Let's see how different this is. The PFF projection of
Speaker 2: Hampton puts him as the nineteenth running back, with the
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley projection on Fantasy Pros that has him as
Speaker 2: the fifth running back. Let's see how big difference. That's
Speaker 2: fantasy points, by the way, Fantasy points. Sorry, I keep
Speaker 2: doing that if I wanted to do, if you wanted
Speaker 2: to do the big and highs of each player, PFF
Speaker 2: to Fantasy points would be the high and low of
Speaker 2: Barkley opposite direction, and Hampton would be either Fantasy Pros
Speaker 2: or whatever, and PFF is the low. So here is
Speaker 2: the low of Hampton, and the projection has him at
Speaker 2: nine hundred and thirty rushing yards, six and a half touchdown,
Speaker 2: little over fifty catches, almost four hundred yards in a touchdown,
Speaker 2: So it is about fourteen hundred yards, about eight touchdowns
Speaker 2: and fifty catches. That's OURB nine. It doesn't really feel
Speaker 2: that off. And frankly, that is about twenty something points
Speaker 2: away from Barkley on PFF on their projection, which has
Speaker 2: them at eleven fantasy points. This is the Barkley high.
Speaker 2: So I did the low of Hampton the high of
Speaker 2: Barkley thirteen hundred yards on almost three hundred carries, ten touchdowns,
Speaker 2: forty catches two ninety two and a couple more touchdowns.
Speaker 2: So it is twelve touchdowns, seventeen hundred yards rough no.
Speaker 2: Six about sixteen hundred yards and forty catches.
Speaker 3: I know, what are you gonna do? I don't like it.
Speaker 2: What am I gonna do?
Speaker 3: You're gonna ask me which one is more realistic? Let
Speaker 3: me do that. Which one is more realistic? Welsh?
Speaker 2: That's a great question, Boggs, because that's what I wanted
Speaker 2: to ask you. Which one do you buy more? The
Speaker 2: undertaking of Hampton or the over Barkley?
Speaker 3: Over on Barkley, I would say, And maybe that's too Pollyanna,
Speaker 3: But like I said, I have both these dudes in
Speaker 3: a tier from four to ten. So Barkley finishing at
Speaker 3: five is not you know it, Hampton finishing at nineteen
Speaker 3: would be crazier. By the way I have these guys ranked.
Speaker 3: So yeah, give me Barkley at five. I just don't
Speaker 3: I understand what it is. Right, you see them go
Speaker 3: and make this move for Keaton Mitchell and Keith Mitchell
Speaker 3: looks like a perfect fit for McCarthy offense. Right, you
Speaker 3: see what most Hurt has done. You've seen, you know,
Speaker 3: sparks of Jalen Wright and what a fast guy in
Speaker 3: h Han does. I'm telling you Camani Fidell is a
Speaker 3: more rounded running back than Keithon Mitchell is. So you're
Speaker 3: gonna use Mitchell in certain scenarios. He's not gonna take
Speaker 3: that many touches away from Hampton. You're not gonna be
Speaker 3: able to It would be like giving touches to Brian
Speaker 3: Robinson when you have Christian McCaffrey. Coaches are not going
Speaker 3: to do that. They like to keep their jobs. So
Speaker 3: Hampton is going to have. I think as long as
Speaker 3: he stays healthy, he's going to have three hundred.
Speaker 1: Times this year.
Speaker 2: All right. The next two this will round out the
Speaker 2: RB ones. Dereck Henry comes in as the ITL RB
Speaker 2: eleven and Kyron william Kyron Williams comes in at twelve.
Speaker 2: We both have Henry at eleven. You've got Williams at twelve,
Speaker 2: but I have Kyrien at thirteen. The thirteenth running back
Speaker 2: is my number twelve and Ken Walker, who you are
Speaker 2: lower on, at fifteen. Brice Hall comes in at fourteen.
Speaker 2: Our gap is you have him at thirteen. I have
Speaker 2: him at sixteen, and then Josh Jacobs, I have at fourteen.
Speaker 2: You have at seventeen. That is number fifteen. So I
Speaker 2: know those numbers might be confusing. The il ten to
Speaker 2: fifteen again is I'm sorry? Eleven to fifteen is Henry Williams, Walker,
Speaker 2: Brice Hall, and Josh Jacobs. I am the lowest on
Speaker 2: Brice Hall. You are the lowest on Josh Jacobs. Are
Speaker 2: you still? Is this Josh Jacobs saying still just solely
Speaker 2: about the concern that he didn't.
Speaker 3: Have suspencional No, he's not getting suspended. I have him
Speaker 3: a little bit lower.
Speaker 2: All you just hate him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess apparently. So I have him between eleven
Speaker 3: and eighteen. So what is his ECR? His ECR is
Speaker 3: uh sixteen, Okay, well I have him within the realm
Speaker 3: of possibilities finishing his high as eleven, So no left
Speaker 3: that low on it.
Speaker 2: Let me make this one. You used to be the
Speaker 2: greatest and biggest supporter of Ken Walker on the planet.
Speaker 2: You you tattooed him on your right butt cheek. You
Speaker 2: would scream about not tell people that you were the
Speaker 2: biggest Kent Walker guy. Then he goes to a Kansas
Speaker 2: City Chiefs team that should feature him, and now you
Speaker 2: hate him. He is ECR eleven. You've got him at fifteen,
Speaker 2: I've got him at twelve. I don't see a space
Speaker 2: where they are going to screw around with this and
Speaker 2: he is not going to be the big guy going
Speaker 2: to make it through the year. Oh yeah, that's that's
Speaker 2: then that's gonna be a fair point. But check this out.
Speaker 2: Fantasy points and PFF have been pretty rough. There haven't
Speaker 2: been a tough fun play. I'm more getting at. There
Speaker 2: haven't been a ton where they've been in full agreement.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, in the top fifteen running
Speaker 2: backs we've talked about, there are only three running backs.
Speaker 2: Four running backs is a complete agreement on the projection
Speaker 2: rank Jamiir Gibbs, Christian McCaffrey, Derrick Henry, and Ken Walker.
Speaker 2: And they are higher on Ken Walker than ECR. So
Speaker 2: we'll just scoot over to you. Tell me points or
Speaker 2: PFF which one you want to look at? PFF, Okay, PFF.
Speaker 2: Walkerz around eleven and fifty yards rushing. So if I do,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to do the whole total here. It's
Speaker 2: about fifteen hundred yards about ten touchdowns and fifty catches
Speaker 2: that comes in at RV two. That sounds about right.
Speaker 2: That is projected higher than Sakuon Barkley. Is it only
Speaker 2: the potential injury stuff with ken Walker that makes you
Speaker 2: think he's not an RB one? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think you can use him at this
Speaker 3: rate and keep him healthy. That is the thing, right,
Speaker 3: because he's never whatsed at this rate. At like twenty
Speaker 3: five touches a game, you can't do that. But he
Speaker 3: didn't have over twenty touches in a game until the
Speaker 3: playoffs last year. The reason he stayed healthy and stayed
Speaker 3: upright was because he had Zach Sharbonay there in Seattle.
Speaker 3: That's why they went all the way to the Super Bowl, right,
Speaker 3: And I know Sharbonay got hurt in the playoffs, and
Speaker 3: you gave everything to ken Walker. He can do it
Speaker 3: in a three game stretch. He can do it in
Speaker 3: a five game stretch. He will not hold up the
Speaker 3: whole year. He's shown us this over and over and over.
Speaker 3: And I think that's why the Chiefs go out and
Speaker 3: you draft and Mitt Johnson, who just had three hundred
Speaker 3: touches in college, because behind him, the only dude who
Speaker 3: was Shard Smith. Unless they're gonna wait and sign Kareem
Speaker 3: Hunt for the millionth year a week before the season starts, right,
Speaker 3: It's just what they do. But I think you go
Speaker 3: out and you get Emmitt Johnson because he has because
Speaker 3: he has so much experience, so you want a be
Speaker 3: back with Kenneth Walker. I don't think three hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty touches when the most he's had his two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty five is within a real realm of possibility
Speaker 3: for ken Walker. So I think if you use him
Speaker 3: too early, he's gonna run out of steam for you
Speaker 3: by the end of the season and he's either going
Speaker 3: to play gimpy or be missing games. So the gave
Speaker 3: him a lot of money, which means they're gonna use
Speaker 3: him a lot. I am. I am afraid of Kenneth
Speaker 3: Walker this year. I probably won't have many shares.
Speaker 2: You are in the bottom fifteen of the lowest rankers
Speaker 2: on ken Walker and Fantasy Pros. Of every single round,
Speaker 2: your bottom fifteen. His range is the low is twenty three,
Speaker 2: and you are within the top fifteen of that.
Speaker 3: I didn't move him up recently. I'm at sixteen or fifteen. Now, yeah,
Speaker 3: well lower there.
Speaker 2: I'm saying fifteen was you and your boy Gary Davenport
Speaker 2: absolutely hate him. You guys are there's only fifteen of
Speaker 2: you that have him fifteen or lower. You're the absolute lowest.
Speaker 2: The high though, is RB five overall, only one person has.
Speaker 3: By if he stay healthy for the whole year is
Speaker 3: RB five and Striking Nesn's absolutely the talent is there
Speaker 3: for ken Walker, And if you just want to bank
Speaker 3: on talent, sure put him in the top five.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: Like what I if I'm starting a franchise, I could
Speaker 3: see taking him over a Chan or you know, I
Speaker 3: don't think i'd take him over genty. I could take
Speaker 3: him over Cook maybe, But I just I think you
Speaker 3: need to be back. And I'm worried that they don't
Speaker 3: use him properly. The Seahawks finally figured it out last year.
Speaker 3: If they use him properly and they give him around
Speaker 3: nineteen touches to twenty touches a game, great, he's gonna
Speaker 3: last most of the season and make it out I
Speaker 3: think healthy. But I think there's gonna be games where
Speaker 3: he just gets too many and he wears that at
Speaker 3: the end of the year and that's when you want
Speaker 3: him in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: So of the fantasy pros boys, I guess you can
Speaker 2: throw me in there. But of like Fitzi, Ericson and Debro,
Speaker 2: everybody has him inside the top eight running backs and
Speaker 2: Fitzy has him at RB seven. So just throwing that out. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's fascinating when you and fits
Speaker 2: your on opposite ends because you guys are like you
Speaker 2: just do we talk a lot. I don't know if
Speaker 2: FITZI does more shows with anybody, but you and I
Speaker 2: do quite a few in season ones with him. But
Speaker 2: you guys are complete opposite ends. I guess I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I think this is such a better offensive position. I
Speaker 2: think it's quick hitting. I think it's designed to get
Speaker 2: him the ball he can out of the backfield. As
Speaker 2: far as the receiver goes you get in the goal line,
Speaker 2: it's going to go to him. The injuries are a
Speaker 2: fair point, but I mean, you also.
Speaker 3: Have doesn't give the ball very well. He's fine.
Speaker 2: I just think he's given the opportunity. I think I
Speaker 2: think Mahomes is going to give him great spots. And
Speaker 2: Mahomes also talking about running less, so like if that's
Speaker 2: going to be more in goal line situations, and he's
Speaker 2: going to have an opportunity to be just handing the
Speaker 2: ball off and getting to ken Walker. I just think, like,
Speaker 2: let me go back and look what is ken Walker.
Speaker 3: Derek Henry is the only guy with less receptions last
Speaker 3: year on this list.
Speaker 2: From thirteen to projection ten times. I mean, I look
Speaker 2: at this, I see ten Touchdo I think Krin Walker
Speaker 2: can be fifteen touchdowns this year in that Kansas City offense? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I think that makes him ins that makes him
Speaker 2: easy inside the top guy. And I think I'm the
Speaker 2: guy that has him at a eleven, So I'm not
Speaker 2: even giving him him at twelve.
Speaker 3: Well, I hope wherever you're taking him, you're drafting MTT
Speaker 3: Johnson as well. You got to handcuff him. That's all
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: EMITTT. Johnson, anybody in this tier that you feel really
Speaker 2: strongly about. I mean, I guess Derrick Henry is like
Speaker 2: the highest. He just just Derrick Henry.
Speaker 3: I think we're all baking in falling nigh for Derrick Henry. Right.
Speaker 3: It's a new offense as well coming in here with
Speaker 3: Decklan Doyle gonna be a little more vertical a little
Speaker 3: more pass heavy than it has been in the past,
Speaker 3: so I think there's a little worry there. But projections
Speaker 3: crush all of our ranks. I have him at twelve
Speaker 3: or I have at eleven. You have him eleven, So
Speaker 3: we both have him as an RB one. Still he
Speaker 3: has him at five, points has him at eight. PFF
Speaker 3: has him at eight. So you know, obviously, dude, he
Speaker 3: scored sixteen touchdowns last year. Everybody still sees it. He's
Speaker 3: the terminator. I just think at this point he is
Speaker 3: a little bit older. He's the oldest guy on this
Speaker 3: list by at least two years, a year and a
Speaker 3: half over Christian McCaffrey even right, So he's the oldest
Speaker 3: guy on this list by a lot, and he is
Speaker 3: a freak. But at some point mother nature wins. So
Speaker 3: still got him as an RB one. But I the
Speaker 3: projections could easily be right if he stays healthy and
Speaker 3: score sixteen touchdowns. Again, I just we both bake it.
Speaker 3: I think everybody in the industry bakes in a little
Speaker 3: more risk with a guy at his age. You know,
Speaker 3: he's turning. He's thirty two now, so all.
Speaker 2: Right, sixteen through twenty four, it gets us into the
Speaker 2: final bit of running backs. We've got Javonte Williams is
Speaker 2: the IL sixteen. His ECR is seventeen. I've got him
Speaker 2: at fifteen. You've got him at sixteen. Jeremiah Love the
Speaker 2: maybe controversial one or whatever it is. I'm the low
Speaker 2: guy on him. He's RB seventeen. Here you and ECR
Speaker 2: have him at fourteen. I've got him at eighteen. Projections
Speaker 2: also beat both of those, or at least they beat
Speaker 2: the ITL and me at fifteen, fifteen and twelve between
Speaker 2: FP points and PFF. Bucky Irving is eighteen. He's one
Speaker 2: of the lower ECR ones at twenty two, but we
Speaker 2: both beat that at eighteen and seventeen respectively. Travis et
Speaker 2: and etchin at nineteen. We're kind of relatively the same
Speaker 2: in that general space. Dave Montgomery comes in at twenty
Speaker 2: for us. He's ECR twenty three. We both got him
Speaker 2: at twenty one. That's funny. We both him at twenty one,
Speaker 2: but he comes in at twenty. Cam Skataboo at twenty one,
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit higher, you're a little bit lower.
Speaker 2: Traveon Henderson at twenty two. I am lower, you are higher.
Speaker 2: Twinch on Judkins at twenty three and DeAndre Swipt at
Speaker 2: twenty four. That is our stopping point of the players
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about, So we can just pinpoint
Speaker 2: a couple of these guys, Bucky Irving or actually let
Speaker 2: me before we got to Bucky Irving. Jeremiah Love. Jeremiah Love,
Speaker 2: to his credit, after all the controversy of like where
Speaker 2: he is and dah dah dut, he was running with
Speaker 2: the ones, he's catching the ball at the backfield. He
Speaker 2: looks like a really good receiver. And if they want
Speaker 2: to play him in that spot, like I just have
Speaker 2: no doubt like he will get production. I still just
Speaker 2: argue the path of being in that offense on that
Speaker 2: team with three backs to be a constant like top
Speaker 2: twelve running back. Is he talented enough? Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: don't know if the opportunity is going to be there.
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll be there strong in the second half. I
Speaker 2: just feel reservations to it. So I have a lot
Speaker 2: less interest. You were right there with ECR. But there
Speaker 2: are plenty of people out there that like him even higher.
Speaker 2: And PFF's got him as a top twelve back this year.
Speaker 2: Projections of twelve hundred yards twelve. They haven't projected for
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy rush attempts. I just don't know
Speaker 2: if they've made an adjustment. There nine and a half
Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns, a couple receiving, so it's like eleven touchdown.
Speaker 2: It seems pretty It seems like a pretty pretty aggressive one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think maybe it's a slower burn
Speaker 3: than I like to get. Jeremiah love these touches, but
Speaker 3: he's just so much better than everybody on the roster
Speaker 3: by a wide march. And when I say everybody, I
Speaker 3: mean every player, not every running back. He's the best
Speaker 3: player on the Cardinals buy a lot. So Trey McBride
Speaker 3: is awesome, right, one of the best tight ends in
Speaker 3: the league. Jeremiah loves better player, in my opinion. And
Speaker 3: I just think that it's one of those things that
Speaker 3: you can get the coach speak of the we're not
Speaker 3: going to give him as many carries. You know, there's
Speaker 3: plenty of coaches that lie, plenty of coaches that tell
Speaker 3: the truth. You have coach speak index for that. Lafleur
Speaker 3: is a new one, so we don't really have a
Speaker 3: good grip on that yet. But I think at the
Speaker 3: end of the day. This dude went third in the
Speaker 3: NFL draft. You don't go third in the draft to
Speaker 3: get one hundred and fifty touches your first year. You know,
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be. I think it'll be
Speaker 3: closer to three hundred than it is to two hundred
Speaker 3: his touches.
Speaker 2: So, and I think up rush attempts. What about the
Speaker 2: right because I don't necessarily have to like disagree, but
Speaker 2: it's two hundred and seventy rush attempts with another thirty
Speaker 2: and so they're projecting three hundred and like twelve touches
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 3: And how many receptions did they have them for thirty nine?
Speaker 3: I so I okay, So take some off the rushes
Speaker 3: and add them to the receptions. Right, A lot of jumps.
Speaker 2: To twenty with like sixty catches.
Speaker 3: I mean, if Carson Beck gets in there, he is
Speaker 3: going to check down, check down, check down, checkdown. That's
Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of McBride and love so and
Speaker 3: I think he starts more than half the games at
Speaker 3: this point. I know, you just pay per set. You
Speaker 3: wanted to be the starter or whatever whatever, when you're
Speaker 3: two and four and you want to see what Carson
Speaker 3: Beck has before the quarterback class comes into twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna see Carson now. If he's terrible, okay,
Speaker 3: sure you go back to Presett to be somewhat competitive
Speaker 3: and then take your guy next year. But I do
Speaker 3: think we're gonna get a look at Carson Beck. And
Speaker 3: even if we don't, I think Jeremiah Love is going
Speaker 3: to prove to be such a weapon because to me,
Speaker 3: it's Jamier Gibbs two point oh. He's so similar in
Speaker 3: his playtime a little bit bigger as well. So I
Speaker 3: really really am infatuated with Jeremiah Love, and I think
Speaker 3: I am. I'm willing to take him this year, but
Speaker 3: I'm not over the top. I'm right onto ECR right now.
Speaker 3: I'll be a little bit over ECR in about a week.
Speaker 2: That sounds a little weird. You're like, you're glowing and
Speaker 2: losing your mind about him, and I love him. And
Speaker 2: then you're like, but I'm not like super infatuated because
Speaker 2: I was about to challenge I'm out, No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying your narrative you're talking sounds like you
Speaker 2: would be a top ten guy. But then you're like, well,
Speaker 2: I got a met a uc R.
Speaker 3: Hey listen, if it's if it's him or Bucky Irving
Speaker 3: and I'm taking him every time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to see you draft because I haven't
Speaker 2: seen you draft him a single time in any mock
Speaker 2: we've done anywhere. I'd love to see you.
Speaker 3: I think I've taken a lot of these backs in
Speaker 3: this group.
Speaker 2: Now I want to talk strategy of it. I want
Speaker 2: to talk to the strategy of redrafting here. In just
Speaker 2: a second, just get another name or two. Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe that's more of it. But I would love to
Speaker 2: see and maybe that's a trial to do, whether it's
Speaker 2: on a pros mock you do or one with us.
Speaker 2: I'd love to see you kind of commit to seeing
Speaker 2: what because I guess that's my bigger point. I think,
Speaker 2: like you know Jeremiah Love better than I do. You're
Speaker 2: you're way more staunch about it. That's fine. I think
Speaker 2: he's a super talented back. I'm more hyper focused on
Speaker 2: the team blinders a little bit to this talented player
Speaker 2: and limiting him a bit in his rookie year and
Speaker 2: maybe keeping that to under two hundred and fifty total touches,
Speaker 2: which would be super annoying. But it doesn't mean he's
Speaker 2: not going to be valuable. But like, I would love
Speaker 2: to see you draft and see if you like the team,
Speaker 2: because my argument is he goes to a point that
Speaker 2: I don't think it makes sense to draft him because
Speaker 2: of what you also need on the upside. Maybe I'm
Speaker 2: not giving my credit enough for floor. That's what I'm
Speaker 2: missing here, is like there's some players it's like, Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: they can't give you a whole bunch more upside, but
Speaker 2: think of the baseline of what they're getting. He's a rookie,
Speaker 2: I have unknowns, and I'm not giving him part of
Speaker 2: the floor, But I would like to see what the
Speaker 2: construction of your team looks like when you draft Love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you will do it in the next mock.
Speaker 3: I'll try to put myself somewhere where I would take
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Love. So obviously can't guarantee that. And people are
Speaker 3: listening to this now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, don't be a dickhead.
Speaker 3: But what I will say about Jeremiah Love is I
Speaker 3: think there's a couple things driving this narrative. Right Number one,
Speaker 3: I feel like there's more talk about having to have
Speaker 3: players in a really good offense. This season than there
Speaker 3: typically has been, which is a correct call, right. You
Speaker 3: want the teams that are going to score more touchdowns.
Speaker 3: So yes, Cardinals offense looks weird mainly because of the quarterback,
Speaker 3: but works or if if Carson Beck works, Like we said,
Speaker 3: this offense is gonna have to play point for point
Speaker 3: because the defense sucks. Right, They're gonna be passing a lot.
Speaker 3: They've led the league in passes last year, so we're
Speaker 3: gonna see a lot of that in Jeremiah Love is
Speaker 3: easily the best receiving back on this team. While a
Speaker 3: lot so I think, and there's you know, we saw
Speaker 3: Ashton Genti fall flat on his face because the offense
Speaker 3: was so bad with the Raiders last year, and he
Speaker 3: got so much high people putting him in like the
Speaker 3: top four, top five running backs and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: He was number one on a lot of running back
Speaker 3: boards for Dynasty and all that stuff. I just wasn't
Speaker 3: quite there with him yet. And I think that negative
Speaker 3: narrative of a running back being drafted so high in
Speaker 3: the draft and not succeeding in fantasy, I think a
Speaker 3: lot of that is driving some of the hate for
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Love. It is nothing that you said, right, you're
Speaker 3: looking more at this offense and the words that have
Speaker 3: been spoken by the coach, which is also a bad narrative.
Speaker 2: And also and also the construction of like ile.
Speaker 3: Jeer and risk and James Connor and all of that,
Speaker 3: and where.
Speaker 2: You have to like jump in to get him, I mean,
Speaker 2: because like you know, the overall like where the hell
Speaker 2: is he going? He's twenty six, So it's like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess if you got if you were at the
Speaker 2: top and you were able to get like a Jamar
Speaker 2: Chase and then you come back around and then you
Speaker 2: pick up you know, I don't know, maybe aj Brown
Speaker 2: and then you get a Jeremiah Love, Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: that's actually probably pretty slick, Like if you created enough
Speaker 2: baseline where you can do that in a twelve team
Speaker 2: and then you know, you would then come back and
Speaker 2: I don't know what type of running back you're hoping
Speaker 2: to get. You know, when you pop back in, you're
Speaker 2: probably looking at more like a David Montgomery or Swift,
Speaker 2: But like can you stomach that? Like, yeah, you probably can.
Speaker 2: And those wide receivers create a good baseline. It's just
Speaker 2: it's a high. It's a high. Cost for a guy
Speaker 2: that has a couple other running backs of the team
Speaker 2: is outwardly throwing in our face and they're not very good.
Speaker 2: I don't think is very good.
Speaker 3: This thing has happened to a lot of the running
Speaker 3: backs above him as well. Obviously, Gibbs was working with
Speaker 3: Montgomery his first year, right, JT stupid niim Hines, which
Speaker 3: aggravated me to no end. Chase Brown barely touched the
Speaker 3: ball his rookie year, right, So we've seen first year
Speaker 3: guy not touch the ball a lot, and I think
Speaker 3: that is also a big part of it. We just
Speaker 3: haven't seen guys taken at three and not get the ball.
Speaker 3: So I think Jeremi Love is in for a lot
Speaker 3: of touches.
Speaker 2: Where's the Bucky stuff on you? Because you said you're
Speaker 2: clearly taking over Bucky. I'm higher than you. Projections are
Speaker 2: also higher than than ECR, sorry, not higher than you.
Speaker 2: PFF is the most aggressive, so let's just do that
Speaker 2: real quick. The PFF projection around eleven hundred yards pretty
Speaker 2: aggreat Their PF is really aggressive on rush attempts, seven
Speaker 2: and a half touchdowns around forty catches, so I guess
Speaker 2: the overalls around fourteen hundred yards, nine touchdowns, forty catches
Speaker 2: for Bucky Irving, health, the health stuff maybe seems to
Speaker 2: be getting a little bit squashed and moving away. I
Speaker 2: think there's still a Knny Gainwell Tucker thing that everybody's
Speaker 2: talking about. But I feel I think he's one of
Speaker 2: the better values out there because I think Bucky Irving
Speaker 2: plays as a top twelve running back in Fantasy and
Speaker 2: he's going later. So like, that's the thing when I
Speaker 2: so you say the same thing, You're like, well, if
Speaker 2: it's love and him, it's just but but.
Speaker 3: Bucky's I mean, Love has way more upside than Bucky, like.
Speaker 2: But Bucky is also way cheaper.
Speaker 3: Bucky does it, and jeremal Ava also doesn't have the
Speaker 3: injury risk that Bucky has. So that's kind of that's
Speaker 3: kind of a line in the sand for me. But
Speaker 3: I think Bucky is being underrated. I think you're seeing
Speaker 3: that go away now that he's back at camp and
Speaker 3: practicing and looking like he's gonna be fine to start
Speaker 3: the year with no issues.
Speaker 2: Right, let me see it has actually changed though, because
Speaker 2: he's going off overall it is fifty seven, he's RB
Speaker 2: twenty two on Fantasy Pro. So that's fifty seven overall,
Speaker 2: where Jeremiah Love was twenty six, So it's half the
Speaker 2: real time ADP at RB. Let me see if he's
Speaker 2: gone up the last seven days and what that ends up.
Speaker 2: What that ends up doing is that tracks where ADP
Speaker 2: isn't caught up, and it's like the real time between
Speaker 2: some of these major sites. This is using like Sleeper
Speaker 2: and Yahoo. He hasn't moved. Actually, Bucky is not in
Speaker 2: the top ten of like adjusted change. Yeah, he has
Speaker 2: not moved the number. The top three guys are I
Speaker 2: don't know why Jordan Mason, but Jonathan Brooks and then
Speaker 2: Sharboney are the two biggest movers in the last seven
Speaker 2: days on real time ADP.
Speaker 3: They got him up point two. On ESPN, ken Walker's
Speaker 3: up point six, and then Cook and eight chann are
Speaker 3: up about point two point one. So not a lot
Speaker 3: of movement from these guys. Are these twenty first among
Speaker 3: running backs on ESPN as well. But I do think, like,
Speaker 3: you know, look, every time we doubt Bucky, I feel
Speaker 3: like he shuts us up. I loved him at Oregon
Speaker 3: and then he was really slow and didn't look good
Speaker 3: at the combine, got a little dropped I rode that
Speaker 3: big mistake because he was awesome as a rookie, and
Speaker 3: even last year when we were talking about Bucky and
Speaker 3: I made this point a bunch of time, so I
Speaker 3: apologize for repeating it if you've heard it before. But
Speaker 3: you know, even I, I was like, I just don't
Speaker 3: know that they give the ball right back to Bucky
Speaker 3: a bunch, and they did. He was averaging like seventeen
Speaker 3: touches a game when he came back, So I Bucky
Speaker 3: is the guy I think when I think some people
Speaker 3: are afraid of Gainwell because Gainwell was so good, particularly
Speaker 3: at the end of last season. So if you were
Speaker 3: still in it at the end of last year, you
Speaker 3: saw Gainwell put up some monster games. So I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people are relying on that. I still
Speaker 3: think Bucky is better than Kenneth Gainwell, and I think
Speaker 3: Kenneth Gainwell is way better than we thought going into
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. But I just think that maybe we're
Speaker 3: overvaluing him. A lot of people are going into twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six with the new team and a new offense.
Speaker 3: I think Bucky's their guy. I don't worry about Sean
Speaker 3: Tucker or Gainwell at all, I think Bucky is the dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of agree with that. What I want
Speaker 2: to do is we're going to cover the back half
Speaker 2: of those guys the twenty one, twenty two, twenty three,
Speaker 2: twenty four in the next episodes, we're essentially kind of
Speaker 2: getting into the top twenty give me two really quick
Speaker 2: takes though on nineteen and twenty. Travis Itchin is interesting.
Speaker 2: Fantasy Points has him not even as a top twenty
Speaker 2: four back. There's a lot that's amazingly. The Kamara stuff
Speaker 2: is really putting into question. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: the production and Dave Montgomery, I think, is that a
Speaker 2: lot of people. Then there's the Woody Marks comments that
Speaker 2: they might be like one A, one B, which is
Speaker 2: super annoying. That kind of floats out there. You and
Speaker 2: I are higher on Montgomery than ECR. We are lower
Speaker 2: on Itchean than ECR. And the biggest swing projection is
Speaker 2: Dave Montgomery, where Points has him as the seventeenth RB,
Speaker 2: but Fantasy Pros has him at twenty five. So both
Speaker 2: of these guys have a low of twenty five and
Speaker 2: the highs are eighteen for Itchan, but Dave Montgomery is
Speaker 2: seventeen in the projection. So give me your quick synopsis
Speaker 2: on both of those guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just ceiling for at Chen and then floor
Speaker 3: from Montgomery. In my opinion, when you're looking at these guys, right, like,
Speaker 3: can Alvin Kamara throw a wrench in the middle of
Speaker 3: Atchen season? Sure? But how healthy is Alvin Kamara and
Speaker 3: how long is he going to stay on the field right, Like,
Speaker 3: He's missed a bunch of games the past couple of years.
Speaker 3: So I don't think you go out and you spend
Speaker 3: all that money on Travis at Chan if you're really
Speaker 3: super confident in Alvin Kamara, doesn't mean it can't work.
Speaker 3: I just I don't. I'm not really into Kamara taking
Speaker 3: a big chunk of this away from him, So, uh,
Speaker 3: that's not gonna be something for me. Will he be used, Absolutely,
Speaker 3: But I just I think at Chen's gonna be fine. Montgomery,
Speaker 3: I guess you could say, you know, look at the
Speaker 3: Texans offense. It runs through Stroud first, all of this,
Speaker 3: but they had no run game last year. They've improved
Speaker 3: the offensive line play, and what do you do with
Speaker 3: the defense, Like the Texans, you run, you run, and
Speaker 3: you keep your defense fresh. So they can get you
Speaker 3: the ball back real fast, specifically with CJ. Stroud coming
Speaker 3: off a down year. So I think this is a
Speaker 3: balance of the offense. I think Montgomery's gonna have tons
Speaker 3: of touches. So I feel pretty safe about both of
Speaker 3: those guys.
Speaker 2: All right, So then, and I actually am I kind
Speaker 2: of agreement with you, Like I just don't think you
Speaker 2: bring in Etchien for just like so Camerican just continue
Speaker 2: catching balls.
Speaker 3: And I think they were willing to cut Kamara if
Speaker 3: the contract stuff didn't work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I agree, And also like I'm kind of
Speaker 2: with the I'm not with Debro in his high end,
Speaker 2: like there's gonna be the Rams old you know, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, But like this could be a powerful offen
Speaker 2: and they've got a lot of good weapons. Jordan Tyson
Speaker 2: looks great and smooth out there. They got two backs,
Speaker 2: but that Jane's going to be the guy, and Dave
Speaker 2: Montgomery too. There's just no chance I think that they're
Speaker 2: going to move off with David Montgomery.
Speaker 3: It might be better for him to get away from Gibbs, right.
Speaker 2: I think great, he's a great back. I think they
Speaker 2: might try to do series to series stuff, but Dave
Speaker 2: Montgomery is going to be the goal line guy. He's
Speaker 2: going to be the.
Speaker 3: Ever what he mark stuff is such nonsense, Like I
Speaker 3: do think what he mark can be better in a
Speaker 3: more limited role, but that's because he's fresh. I think,
Speaker 3: you know, if they had that confidence really in what
Speaker 3: he marks, you don't go and trade for David.
Speaker 2: Montgomm No, I just don't think so. So overall strategy,
Speaker 2: just real quick, let's do strategy and then targets your
Speaker 2: strategy to RB's. We're looking at the top really hyper
Speaker 2: focusing on the top twenty. I did mention the top
Speaker 2: twenty four. I'm going to ask you players here in
Speaker 2: a second, but like, you know, do you want to
Speaker 2: be heavy early RB in the first three rounds? So
Speaker 2: you want to have two running backs? Could you live
Speaker 2: in a world where you've gone three rounds and not
Speaker 2: taken a running back? What is your RB strategy looking
Speaker 2: at this top like twenty to twenty four?
Speaker 3: I mean, first things firstus, I want to inside my
Speaker 3: top ten. If I can do that, I feel really
Speaker 3: good about my team. Can't always work like that, and
Speaker 3: I've kind of avoided this middle area. I feel like
Speaker 3: I like the wide receivers and a lot of the
Speaker 3: times I've taken a tight end, so I've kind of
Speaker 3: avoided this second back, and I've taken the guys that
Speaker 3: were going to talk about in the next show more.
Speaker 3: I've taken risk on like Henderson and Judkins and Swift
Speaker 3: and Price. I've taken like two of those guys, so
Speaker 3: I know I have a number two somewhere, and then
Speaker 3: I take another running back, you know, a boring like
Speaker 3: a Rashad White, who I know is gonna have a
Speaker 3: lot of receptions. I've play in a lot of PPR leagues,
Speaker 3: you know Blake Koram who has a pretty high floor,
Speaker 3: and then you throw your dart, like who is your
Speaker 3: dart at? After that? Is it? You know? I know
Speaker 3: yours is probably Brooks, some people with Chicory krossky Merritt,
Speaker 3: you know, I like Jonah Coleman down here, so you
Speaker 3: throw your dart. So that's kind of how I see
Speaker 3: it as I have avoided kind of this Breese Hall
Speaker 3: down to cam Skataboo for the purposely, it's just the
Speaker 3: way I've been doing it.
Speaker 2: It's funny those two names I'm trying to avoid kind
Speaker 2: of but I think I want to have one of
Speaker 2: the top ten guys. I don't like to have a
Speaker 2: I'm not a lower RB strategy guy. Could I do it?
Speaker 2: I could, absolutely could. I live in a world where
Speaker 2: my two rbs are like Kyen Williams and David Montgomery
Speaker 2: or something like that. Sure I could do that, because
Speaker 2: that means I've got two high end wide receivers most likely,
Speaker 2: but I am I tend to in one of my
Speaker 2: first two picks get a running back. So positionally, if
Speaker 2: I am in like the middle to late of a
Speaker 2: first round, I'm probably gonna take a wide receiver because
Speaker 2: i won't get McCaffrey, and then I'm gonna probably try
Speaker 2: to come back, and I'm gonna try to get an
Speaker 2: a Chan or a Hampton if they fall like that.
Speaker 2: So top two rounds, I want to get a running back.
Speaker 2: My second running back tends to live in the kind
Speaker 2: of a similar territory like Josh Jacobs Bucky Irving have
Speaker 2: been popular ones I've got, and Jutkins I don't like
Speaker 2: to go. I don't like the range of twoton outside
Speaker 2: the top twenty five for RB two, so I like
Speaker 2: to kind of have strong but I have leaned a
Speaker 2: little bit more heavy wide receiver, because I will say
Speaker 2: this from the top of the show, why running back
Speaker 2: has been a little bit more consistent than in years past.
Speaker 2: If you and now, we might have chaos this year,
Speaker 2: but it's felt a little bit more consistent. So now,
Speaker 2: top ten running backs, give me the two names that
Speaker 2: you're targeting the most, without Gibbs and Robinson because you
Speaker 2: have to have the number one or two overall. Pick
Speaker 2: kind of McCaffrey as well. So, but who are two
Speaker 2: backs in the top ten that are like your main targets?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm more than willing to take Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 3: if he falls at all, right, So if he gets
Speaker 3: to the nine or ten, give me jt all day.
Speaker 3: And but like, realistically, I feel like I've picked a
Speaker 3: lot on the end and a channer Gent falls, so
Speaker 3: I'm usually taking one of those guys.
Speaker 2: Yep, same these. I might throw Hampton in there as well,
Speaker 2: but yeah, genty and a chann are kind of the two,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: So then and Derrick Henry Derrick Henry Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2: Well, that's your eleven to twenty. I said eleven to twenty,
Speaker 2: So pick two guys in eleven to twenty.
Speaker 3: I can I pick Derrick Henry twice, right, because like
Speaker 3: he's just he's still there, right, and projections are way
Speaker 3: higher and we are even higher on Derrick Henry than ECR.
Speaker 3: We're both at eleven is ECRs twelve. So uh, he's
Speaker 3: just a value probably everywhere still and then beyond that,
Speaker 3: you said eleven through twenty. Yeah, so you've got Derek
Speaker 3: m give me Jeremy Love Okay, yep, side, I.
Speaker 2: Want to see it. I want to see you do it.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see that. Mine would probably be I.
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving is definitely one that I take, and I
Speaker 2: don't know. I guess ken Walker, I guess based on
Speaker 2: what I said, like ken Walker and him. Josh Jacobs
Speaker 2: has been another one that I've taken. I'm I'm kind
Speaker 2: of like you. I get a little bit indifferent in
Speaker 2: this range. It's more about like value and.
Speaker 3: Team who falls?
Speaker 2: Yeah, who falls? And then it becomes interesting and that's
Speaker 2: what we'll talk And also, I mean you mentioned him.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about him more in the next episode.
Speaker 2: But quinch On Juckkins is one of those players that
Speaker 2: it's like, I know he doesn't catch a bunch of balls,
Speaker 2: but it's just like just feels like it's a slight
Speaker 2: little turning to get him the ball a little bit more,
Speaker 2: and he's just going to be a beast. Like he
Speaker 2: feels like he's got top ten RB upsides.
Speaker 3: So I really do like you got to find a
Speaker 3: quarterback there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean they got three of them that
Speaker 2: they could just throw those screen passes.
Speaker 3: Please Josh text me during this podcast to tell me
Speaker 3: that Shador will start week one because he's outperforming Deshaun
Speaker 3: Watson by a mile.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Dylan Gabriel is lockedown. Then week one. All right,
Speaker 2: there you go. That is going to be RB Part one.
Speaker 2: That's our top twenty to twenty four. RB's kind of
Speaker 2: the RB ones and twos. In the next episode, we'll
Speaker 2: have a little discussion about the back end of the
Speaker 2: RB twos or the front end however you want to
Speaker 2: look at that, and then we're gonna be looking at
Speaker 2: more the flex and the deeper RB conversations, So you
Speaker 2: know that is going to exist of probably bashell touton
Speaker 2: Jendarium Price. We're going to have Jonathan Brooks conversations and
Speaker 2: even a few of those deeper names. Bogman's a big
Speaker 2: Emmett I'm a Johnson guy, and who's the other one,
Speaker 2: Jonah Coleman. You know, we'll probably have some conversation about
Speaker 2: those deeper running back plays for the ranks, so make
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