Speaker 1: I'm ready welcome back, everybody to the second episode of
Speaker 1: Gail interrupted me in the middle of my infro.
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Speaker 1: the charisma and the alcohol of this guy drinks Wow,
Speaker 1: he doesn't do that? What he doesn't drink that on stream?
Speaker 3: He would never That's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's funny enough. I know we haven't gotten to the
Speaker 1: show yet, but it is hilarious. I think for two
Speaker 1: weeks in a row, on like Thursdays, I've heard you
Speaker 1: say we gotta stop drinking so much beer stuff, I
Speaker 1: gotta cut back, And then every time you get shit faced.
Speaker 3: That who I'm not getting shit faced ever? Come on?
Speaker 4: Now, what is this podcast turn into an intervention?
Speaker 1: What the hell if y'all watch Gail tell me I'm lying,
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Speaker 2: But we love it.
Speaker 1: It's fun.
Speaker 3: Not what I signed up for.
Speaker 1: This is crazy an hour into his stream, he's had
Speaker 1: like three beers.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, guys have been Thursdays.
Speaker 4: Thursdays are drinking streams. That's that's what we're there for.
Speaker 4: You can't hold that one stream a week against me.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 1: My good sincerely, we hope you are having a good time.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you are enjoying the vibe of the podcast. And
Speaker 1: today we're gonna talk about the April Fools event, which
Speaker 1: boiler alert. I go ahead and tell you don't evened
Speaker 1: to watch the whole episode, Yes you do.
Speaker 2: We love it and hate it at the same time.
Speaker 1: Honestly, what you hear, I think you'll probably agree, and
Speaker 1: hopefully Guidin also hears and agrees, because whatever their excuse
Speaker 1: is going to be, here's my opinion.
Speaker 2: Then I'll roll over to Gail and I'll come back
Speaker 2: in a little bit more depth.
Speaker 1: But I think this is a fantastic event, as in
Speaker 1: like a seasonal event. It's a horrible Aprilfools event for
Speaker 1: several reasons.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: Now that's kind of like my premise point. I'll let
Speaker 1: you bounce off of that and then I'll give a
Speaker 1: little bit more. But I know you kind of feel
Speaker 1: the same way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's why I've been preaching all weekend,
Speaker 3: is that, in my opinion, it's a fantastic game mode.
Speaker 3: I think it's a fantastic test for harms like anti
Speaker 3: radiation missiles. It's a great test for strategic bombers, you know,
Speaker 3: tactical nukes. It's a streat, it's a great test for
Speaker 3: IRRB and during Confrontation mode essentially is what it is.
Speaker 3: It's essentially just a fantastic seasonal test for a new
Speaker 3: game mode, which BVVD, the leader of the lead developer
Speaker 3: of Guigen. I don't know if you know this, but
Speaker 3: he posted on the forums this week and said that
Speaker 3: it's going to become permanent. So it's gonna be a
Speaker 3: permanent game mode. So it's a great test for all
Speaker 3: of that, and I think it's I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 3: I really enjoy it as a guy who has every
Speaker 3: plane in the game, and I don't play planes anymore
Speaker 3: because I lost my love for Errob because there's really
Speaker 3: nothing to really do other than you know, load into
Speaker 3: a game, spawn, kill a guy, die, go back to
Speaker 3: the hangar, spawn into another. You know, it's like the
Speaker 3: repetition gets rough, and this really breaks that for me.
Speaker 3: It's really nice. But yeah, I mean me and you
Speaker 3: both been playing this game for well over a decade,
Speaker 3: and the April Fools events were always that thing that
Speaker 3: Guigen did that other developers developers didn't really do, and
Speaker 3: it was unique. It was goofy. You had pirate ships,
Speaker 3: you had ponies whatever, you know, that one's weird, but
Speaker 3: you had spaceships, You had a bunch of weird stuff.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Even things that were worth under themed were still unique,
Speaker 1: like the submarine yeah that regarded as the best ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, the inflatable one where they made fun of
Speaker 3: the world of tanks. You know, like all of those
Speaker 3: were great and they were funny April Fools events and
Speaker 3: I love that. That's what I look forward to But
Speaker 3: the last two years, I think we sort of lost
Speaker 3: the plot on what makes April Fools April fools. You know,
Speaker 3: last year we had World War One, which is so
Speaker 3: close to warth on there it was just ground RB,
Speaker 3: but you could bring it up limp and it was
Speaker 3: World War One. It was it was infantry, but like
Speaker 3: the infant made up.
Speaker 1: For a little bit because one, obviously they were trying
Speaker 1: to preview and hype up the idea of imagery a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: That was a little bit of a test bed, yeah, which.
Speaker 1: Is fine, But then also too it was still unique
Speaker 1: as in like it didn't exist anywhere, yes, whereas in
Speaker 1: this case, not only is it still warth Under themed
Speaker 1: as in its realistic scenarios, but now it's stuff that
Speaker 1: you know, if you're an air RB player, you likely
Speaker 1: were already doing anyway, you at least on day one.
Speaker 1: If you were flying Iranian at fourteen's guess what, you're
Speaker 1: probably doing.
Speaker 3: That anyway, Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: So it didn't provide that specialist and to me one
Speaker 1: of the things that makes it so good at the
Speaker 1: same time made it so bad as an April Fool's
Speaker 1: event number one for and again my community for those
Speaker 1: who don't follow me, you should come check us out
Speaker 1: on Twitch. But we mostly are playing mid tier stuff
Speaker 1: because this is what we really enjoy. But honestly, most
Speaker 1: of the people who play war Thunder aren't at like
Speaker 1: br thirteen right, They're just not There are a lot
Speaker 1: of people up there, for sure. I'm not saying there's
Speaker 1: not a healthy population, just most people are playing the
Speaker 1: lower parts of the game. And one thing I love
Speaker 1: about this game mode, and why, by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: excited about the idea of being permanent, is the unlimited
Speaker 1: response because I number one negative to ARB. If you're
Speaker 1: learning ARB, going there with the jet immediately die go
Speaker 1: through the whole process again. Ye, this helps you avoid that,
Speaker 1: and that makes this mode one of the reasons I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: But what also makes us terrible is, hey, guys, you got.
Speaker 1: Eight days to do some grindy heck and milestones.
Speaker 3: It's not too bad.
Speaker 2: Again, it depends on what level player you are.
Speaker 1: You arber right, The average player now has to learn
Speaker 1: radar both ir radar anti radiation. They've got to learn
Speaker 1: regular radar locking ir locking.
Speaker 2: Then they've got to do it in planes.
Speaker 1: For example, if you on the plade I was doing
Speaker 1: my Iran F fourteen, which was great day one in Italy.
Speaker 1: But now you're just getting smoked by MiG twenty nins
Speaker 1: all day.
Speaker 3: And you can't bring it anymore. They removed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they finally removed the big twenty nine.
Speaker 3: No, no, they removed the Iranian.
Speaker 1: They removed that one. So now you're stuck with the
Speaker 1: regular F fourteen A, which is not as good. No,
Speaker 1: now you're just getting smoke with MiG twenty nine's all day.
Speaker 1: Or you're a player who had never done this, you
Speaker 1: want to explore air RB. Yes, you get thrown into
Speaker 1: like a mid twenty three, which it's pretty useless.
Speaker 3: You get thrown it into a.
Speaker 1: Phantom and F four is a fine plane unless it's
Speaker 1: going against other things, and then it's no longer a
Speaker 1: fine plane, especially if you're learning the mode.
Speaker 3: Really which four you get stuck into? I mean, so
Speaker 3: if you're brand new to the game, you got the
Speaker 3: F four E. It's got horrible radar, you know. Now,
Speaker 3: what's nice about it is if you use the F
Speaker 3: four E they give you, which I would highly recommend,
Speaker 3: even if you have the tech Tree F four E,
Speaker 3: run the one they give you because they buffed it
Speaker 3: and they gave it a nine l's, which it doas
Speaker 3: doesn't normally get in r RB does. You can't get
Speaker 3: that load out any other way other than playing the
Speaker 3: one they give you, So that is really nice. It
Speaker 3: holds your hand a little bit. But yeah, the F
Speaker 3: four East radar is terrible. So yeah, for guys like
Speaker 3: me who play, you know, we've played five six thousand
Speaker 3: hours of r RB, I get the mark done in
Speaker 3: one game every single time. You know, it's not too bad.
Speaker 3: But for a new player, yeah, and that's that's kind
Speaker 3: of another reason brings me back to my previous point
Speaker 3: is GUIDs and sort of lost the plot on what
Speaker 3: makes an April Fools event a funny April Fools event.
Speaker 3: You know, every other April Fools event has been something goofy,
Speaker 3: something that you don't really expect to be coming, and
Speaker 3: it shows up in the game and they are testing
Speaker 3: a mechanic but you don't. Usually it's kind of like, well,
Speaker 3: what are they testing here? But they're doing something this time.
Speaker 3: It's just like, hey, we want to test this, this, this, this, this,
Speaker 3: and this put it into a game mode. Let's just
Speaker 3: add a couple tactical nukes and just pretend like, hey,
Speaker 3: it's April Fools. Well, I mean, nukes have been in
Speaker 3: worth on there for years. It's not like it's not
Speaker 3: like it's crazy to have a couple more going off
Speaker 3: every now and then. So like as an April Fools event,
Speaker 3: I agree, it's a bad one. It's a bad April
Speaker 3: Fools event, but it's a fantastic seasonal test for what
Speaker 3: will become RAB in the future, and with fifth gen
Speaker 3: fighters coming out within the next year, I think this
Speaker 3: is what the game This is what we need for
Speaker 3: fifth gen fighters like the F twenty two, F thirty five,
Speaker 3: we need, we need a game mode like this to
Speaker 3: kind of help those planes out, especially since those planes
Speaker 3: are gonna probably gonna get put with planes like the
Speaker 3: F sixteen p Bit and they're gonna be forced into
Speaker 3: a multi roll multi role finders will need something other
Speaker 3: than team deathmatch to get points. And I think this
Speaker 3: is gonna be fantastic And I'm really excited to see
Speaker 3: what they do with this event in terms of turning
Speaker 3: it around and moving it to all brs, So hopefully
Speaker 3: I imagine you won't be able to drop a nuke
Speaker 3: past five, seven or six seven kind of like ground
Speaker 3: Our b is at the moment. But I'm excited to
Speaker 3: see what maps they come up with, how they change
Speaker 3: the current maps they have, and what they do to
Speaker 3: really spread that out across all brs. Now, I think
Speaker 3: BBBD said that it's not going to be anytime soon.
Speaker 3: I think he's I might be wrong, but I think
Speaker 3: he said it's gonna be a seasonal event until they've
Speaker 3: worked out a lot of issues and they've revamped it
Speaker 3: for multiple br brackets, and then it'll come to the game.
Speaker 3: So it's not like as soon as April Fool's Event ends,
Speaker 3: it's going to become a full time game mode. I don't.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to leave this week, but it ish. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it needs work, it needs work, It definitely needs work.
Speaker 3: But it will be cool to see it. And I
Speaker 3: think it's a fantastic event and but there are some
Speaker 3: very inherent issues with it. But a lot of the
Speaker 3: issues with it, I think aren't really the game mod's fault.
Speaker 2: It's the it's the time of what they're doing it.
Speaker 3: It's the br that they're at causes a lot of problems.
Speaker 3: The osa's I think, I think, because I don't think
Speaker 3: abral fools.
Speaker 1: What made them so much fun is you could just
Speaker 1: log into like the mad Max.
Speaker 2: Ones, like do you agree that Mad Max?
Speaker 1: That was literally just.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed that one. I enjoyed that one quite but
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: But I think why it was so enjoyable is even
Speaker 1: though it had its own mechanics, it was so to
Speaker 1: learn anything about war Thunder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And this event it's like.
Speaker 1: You do here because you have one you can correct
Speaker 1: me because again this is which you play a lot of.
Speaker 1: But to a degree. There's basically three types of missiles, right,
Speaker 1: you have I R, which for the most part are
Speaker 1: more rear guided, right, they're not great for Then you
Speaker 1: have all aspects like the aim non L you talked about,
Speaker 1: that's all aspect. You have radar locked ones and that's
Speaker 1: just three main different types or subcategories to all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah you have you have you have Fox ones, Fox twos,
Speaker 3: and Fox threes. That's the best way to put it.
Speaker 3: Your Fox ones are gonna be radar that.
Speaker 1: You have told there is as a player, especially if
Speaker 1: you've never done any of this, you don't have to
Speaker 1: figure that out. But you haven't figured out everything at
Speaker 1: once like you have to figure out depending on which plane.
Speaker 2: You launch, whether it's one they gave you or any
Speaker 2: of the four.
Speaker 1: They gave you, they all had different LOWDOC configurations, and
Speaker 1: there's different air to air missile types. And then he's
Speaker 1: even counting the fact that in this mode, which I like,
Speaker 1: the AA is good, very really good.
Speaker 3: It's really good. It's very good. Yeah, especially especially with
Speaker 3: the patch they came out with on Saturday. The Saturday
Speaker 3: patch they came out with, crack them out of their mind.
Speaker 3: Like I it was so bad that yesterday on stream,
Speaker 3: my my viewers kept track of how I died in
Speaker 3: the course of dropping a nuke. So I was playing
Speaker 3: the F four s at the lower bracket and and
Speaker 3: they kept track of what killed me throughout the whole
Speaker 3: game until I got my nuke and it was legitimately
Speaker 3: like sixty the AI anti air getting me through trees.
Speaker 3: It was crazy with that.
Speaker 1: If if You've heard me a lot, one of the
Speaker 1: biggest complaints I've had about war th Under High Tier
Speaker 1: was the lack of realism.
Speaker 3: I mean that's fair, yeah, but it's not really into it.
Speaker 3: But it's not because the things they were hitting.
Speaker 2: Me through literally right now right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But the OSAs are hitting you. They're optically guided SPAA. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're optically guided. They're not they're not radar, they're not thermal.
Speaker 3: They're optically guided. They're hitting you through hills, they're hitting
Speaker 3: you through trees, they're hitting you while driving forty five
Speaker 3: miles an hour down the road. It needs a lot
Speaker 3: of work. Yeah, But like my.
Speaker 1: Point is the fact that there is a pause of
Speaker 1: effect because if you've just for those of listening, if
Speaker 1: you've never played high tier air RB, the only time
Speaker 1: AA matters is if you decide to go near their airfield.
Speaker 3: Yeah, only time.
Speaker 1: Whereas here, get within five miles of any bunch of
Speaker 1: ground troops you see, be careful, you're probably getting shot down.
Speaker 3: You're probably gonna get shot down. Yeah, I mean it,
Speaker 3: And I think.
Speaker 2: You're right if it was he guided.
Speaker 1: I have a little like obviously it's more realistic, but
Speaker 1: I actually like that.
Speaker 2: You have to pay attention where you're at on the map.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's a nice em.
Speaker 3: That's fair, And I think a lot of the issue
Speaker 3: stems across you know, everyone is trying it's like a
Speaker 3: sprint right now. Everyone is trying to sprint to getting
Speaker 3: a nuke and it gets you in bad situations. You're right,
Speaker 3: because you only have so many days to play this,
Speaker 3: and everyone's trying to be that guy who gets their nuke,
Speaker 3: and if it's getting you to rush in and get
Speaker 3: yourself in a situation that you wouldn't normally do and
Speaker 3: gets you shot down, and that's fair, and I greet
Speaker 3: I get. A great example of that is the fact
Speaker 3: that I've been getting a lot of nukes, like pretty
Speaker 3: much every game, but I bring in a mid I
Speaker 3: bring in I bring you here, I brag a lot,
Speaker 3: I've I one of my mods. He plays with me
Speaker 3: every single time, and he, you know, tends to do
Speaker 3: a lot better because he's not running a stream. He's
Speaker 3: not trying to get in there and get the new
Speaker 3: quickly and get the game over with. Like I think
Speaker 3: he got fifty fifty fifty one kills the other day
Speaker 3: and I had thirty and he had fifty one. You know,
Speaker 3: that's the difference between you know, a guy who's trying
Speaker 3: to rush in there and get you get shot down
Speaker 3: by OS isn't the guy who's taking their time.
Speaker 1: And then you just got people like me who are like,
Speaker 1: you know what nukes are cool. I can drop the
Speaker 1: many ones, but wouldn't be fun if I just went
Speaker 1: out and just did nothing but focus on shooting players down.
Speaker 2: Hey, coming from the aspect of this isn't something I'll
Speaker 2: do a lot of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is my actual opportunity to Okay, I
Speaker 1: can actually take time to learn my missiles, Yeah, learn
Speaker 1: my radars and get twelve.
Speaker 2: Kills where normally I would never get near that.
Speaker 1: And I enjoy that aspect, But again it goes back
Speaker 1: to it's great as a seasonal event, not as April fools.
Speaker 2: April fools.
Speaker 1: You know, if I want to really grind for buff,
Speaker 1: I'd rather feel like I'm.
Speaker 2: Doing it because it's fun than doing it like.
Speaker 1: Because right now and then if you agree or disagree
Speaker 1: with this and you're watching on YouTube, feel free to comment.
Speaker 1: But for me, it just feels like I'm doing this
Speaker 1: what I would do any normal week. Right, if you
Speaker 1: got a plane, you want me to grind, here's nine
Speaker 1: hard milestones to grind through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, it's it just.
Speaker 1: And not to get to you know, anti snail, But
Speaker 1: it's the same nine hundred and ninety nine golden Eagles
Speaker 1: to skip the milestone. If you couldn't figure it out, like.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel April April foil.
Speaker 1: And I don't truly have an issue with those events styles, guys,
Speaker 1: And before y'all get pissy at me, it's fine. I
Speaker 1: get it for you to play games, gotta make money.
Speaker 1: But April Fools has always, historically, for the most part,
Speaker 1: had a different feel to it that this was just
Speaker 1: simply missing.
Speaker 3: April Fools has always been about having a good time
Speaker 3: about something that you would have never guessed was coming
Speaker 3: to the game. You know, it tests a new mechanic,
Speaker 3: but you don't really feel like your guinea pig while
Speaker 3: you're testing it and not monetizing it, like you know,
Speaker 3: I'm the whole time you're talking right there. I was
Speaker 3: trying to think of the last April Fools event that
Speaker 3: we had monetization towards, and I don't. I don't really remember.
Speaker 3: I guess last year during the World War One event,
Speaker 3: you may have been able to buy the marks to
Speaker 3: get the World War One vehicles, but to get the milestones, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was really easy because everyone.
Speaker 1: Mad Max had the same thing right where you could
Speaker 1: buy the different could the.
Speaker 3: No because no, because you didn't get to.
Speaker 1: Unlocked them for free if you did the actual events.
Speaker 3: But you couldn't get them in the war Thunder, So
Speaker 3: I don't think there was any monetization behind it. I
Speaker 3: think the last two years may have been the first.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, we'll know in our YouTube comments someone
Speaker 3: might think of something we don't, but yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: definitely war Thunder is getting more aggressively monetized, which is
Speaker 3: another topic we could talk about in the future. The
Speaker 3: last two years of war Thunder, you know, it's turned
Speaker 3: into a game that everyone has said, wasn't you know,
Speaker 3: dramatically monetized. I think it is towards shifting towards aggressive monetization.
Speaker 3: In your face with every very small, mediocre event they
Speaker 3: come out with, even if it's a test and they're
Speaker 3: using us as a two hundred and fifty thousand player base,
Speaker 3: you know, Guinea pig Pool to test a new event,
Speaker 3: they still want to monetize it from us, which is
Speaker 3: another thing. Is I think worth on their hit it's
Speaker 3: highest concurrent players on Friday or Saturday ever, with like
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty thousand people playing at one time,
Speaker 3: so it should be celebrated about it, Yeah, which would
Speaker 3: be celebrated yeah, so it's definitely not like you know everyone.
Speaker 3: I know, I've heard a lot of the OG content
Speaker 3: creators like really dogging on this event, and I think
Speaker 3: the players speak for themselves. The amount of people that
Speaker 3: came back to play it proves that it's a good event,
Speaker 3: maybe just not a good April Fools.
Speaker 1: And there's too many people who will who won't I
Speaker 1: don't say willing wanting to kind of like do the
Speaker 1: whole cliche.
Speaker 2: Throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the monetization stuff like I agree
Speaker 1: to an extent, but also good or bad high player
Speaker 1: accounts will also.
Speaker 2: Contribute to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's a.
Speaker 1: Lot of people and I know everybody's gonna be like, well,
Speaker 1: I would never do it. Y'all need to understand the
Speaker 1: reason they do nine hundred nine nine golden Eagles a
Speaker 1: milestone is because people pay it. Okay, I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people out There's no way people are
Speaker 1: dropping one hundred bucks per event. Yes they are, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I know what I'm saying. You have to be
Speaker 1: one of those people like we'll we'll do another show.
Speaker 1: We really get into it. Like I said, I've gotten
Speaker 1: to work with not only Guidgen, but Scoplee Netty's who
Speaker 1: did eve echos, Like, I've gotten over a lot of
Speaker 1: companies that do free to play monetization, so I've got
Speaker 1: a lot of history with it.
Speaker 2: I've got to learn a lot about it.
Speaker 1: And I know we can talk about how it could
Speaker 1: be gross and all this other stuff, but there's a
Speaker 1: reason that happens. And everybody's always shocked the fact that
Speaker 1: there are people willing to spend two thousand dollars on
Speaker 1: war Thunder stuff. But you know, just use a business.
Speaker 1: If somebody's wanting to give you two grand, you're going
Speaker 1: to take.
Speaker 2: The two grand, Yeah, a take it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But there's the balance to be found, as the
Speaker 1: point you're making, especially with these like April four like,
Speaker 1: not everything has to be the modtization structure.
Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the day, it is
Speaker 2: a game.
Speaker 1: And one thing that again ask someone who just semi
Speaker 1: defended for you to play monetization the other day. Games
Speaker 1: need to remember that they're there for fun and not
Speaker 1: everything has to be a business transaction. Yeah, and Matt's
Speaker 1: war Thunder and I get it they're under pressure because yeah,
Speaker 1: they're growing, but they want to do fifth gen jets.
Speaker 1: I'm very sketchy on it, but they want to do it.
Speaker 1: They want to do infantry. There's a lot of things
Speaker 1: in the dev pipeline for this year, and I understand
Speaker 1: you want to use an opportunity like April first to see, well,
Speaker 1: can we test some of the things.
Speaker 2: That we want to look at.
Speaker 3: H that's fair. Resist the temptation, and I think a
Speaker 3: good thing to talk about here is I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've looked into it. I've looked into it a
Speaker 3: little bit. The April Fools events that are happening on
Speaker 3: other guidging games right now, because Guigein doesn't just do
Speaker 3: this on war Thunder, they do it for most of
Speaker 3: their games, and a good example of that, I think
Speaker 3: is enlisted right now has an April Fools event which
Speaker 3: is World War One, which is kind of interesting. You know.
Speaker 3: I definitely reused some assets from last year on war Thunder,
Speaker 3: so that's kind of interesting. And then on Awesome, I
Speaker 3: completely lost my train of thought was the other was
Speaker 3: the other Guysion game. I've lost the name of it
Speaker 3: in my head. War on their mobile, warth Under Mobile
Speaker 3: Worth on their mobile has an April Fool's event right now,
Speaker 3: which is mechs you walk around in like those goofy
Speaker 3: those goofy World War two, you know, what if what
Speaker 3: if Germany made mech you know, And it's it's a
Speaker 3: it's a reused asset from war Thunder because an old
Speaker 3: war th Under event was mex But like that is
Speaker 3: the April Fools event that people kind of look towards,
Speaker 3: look forward to. Is those kind of like it was
Speaker 3: a big deal. That's that was a really popular event.
Speaker 3: Everyone loved that event. And it's like, you know, the
Speaker 3: other warth Under or other Guidge in I P they're
Speaker 3: out there doing April Fools the kind of unique things.
Speaker 3: And what do we get in war th Under? We
Speaker 3: get sim mode, but IRRB controls with tactical nukes that
Speaker 3: you can spawn in essentially, and that's literally it. It's
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, there's other small features, but at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, all we're testing is sim
Speaker 3: mode and RRB great game mode, great event. I think,
Speaker 3: just not a good April Fools season.
Speaker 2: That's one additional complaint.
Speaker 1: And this is just and I've actually I was in
Speaker 1: the House of Jay, another streamer. I was at a few
Speaker 1: different and saying maybe this is just me, but just
Speaker 1: for the off chance that Guidjin watches this podcast. Number one,
Speaker 1: thank you, Number two, I hope you're enjoying your time.
Speaker 1: But number three, it irks me to no end as
Speaker 1: someone who essentially considering one of the players that Guidjia
Speaker 1: needs to convince to play Air RB. More, it annoys
Speaker 1: me to no end that my stats do not count
Speaker 1: in this mode. Yeah, if I shoot somebody out with
Speaker 1: then fourteen, it does not count as me killing A
Speaker 1: I get it, it's an event.
Speaker 2: It's not technically an ARB match, but it is ARB.
Speaker 3: It's weird that it doesn't count too because.
Speaker 1: I get no credit, not for the missiles I use,
Speaker 1: not for because I'm earning Silver Lions NRP. But I'm
Speaker 1: not earning any record to my when I was in
Speaker 1: Iran fourteen or my F fourteen A or you know
Speaker 1: the phantom I might have or if I switch over
Speaker 1: to Russia the mid twenty nine. I'm not getting credit
Speaker 1: for any of it except for the event credit. And
Speaker 1: that might be just a random content creator griping at
Speaker 1: the clouds type thing, but that annoys me to know
Speaker 1: in if I am doing something in your game, I
Speaker 1: should get credit for that grind.
Speaker 3: That's kind of interesting because I've that's actually I streamed
Speaker 3: all week with this new event, and I heard a
Speaker 3: lot of complaints about this. From from the top to
Speaker 3: the bottom. I heard every complaint. No one said that
Speaker 3: they were unhappy they didn't get their stats, which in
Speaker 3: my opinion, if it's a plane that you have unlocked
Speaker 3: and you're using it, you should get your stats for it. Now.
Speaker 3: If you don't have that plane unlocked and you're just
Speaker 3: using their three B one, then don't give you're that
Speaker 3: person stats. But like, at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: it is just er RB. You know, it's slightly different,
Speaker 3: but like, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here several hours playing it.
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, man, that's interesting. I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 1: But the ulti reason is because I never used the
Speaker 1: regular F fourteen A, which I'm sure many people who
Speaker 1: have it don't because there's simply better versions. But I
Speaker 1: started using it, I went, I wonder how this compares,
Speaker 1: like just yeah, historically to my Iranian I went, it's bad.
Speaker 2: I've only got like two matches recorded.
Speaker 1: There's no way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's because it doesn't actually track.
Speaker 3: ITEA most people don't use the early F fourteen anymore.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's like a Grandpa plane when it came
Speaker 3: out in twenty twenty two. I believe it came out
Speaker 3: Christmas twenty twenty two. I might be wrong. I think
Speaker 3: that's right. It was the goat. Nothing competed. I mean,
Speaker 3: the only thing that could compete with it back then,
Speaker 3: I think was the MiG twenty three. And we all
Speaker 3: know the mid twenty three doesn't compete with the F fourteen.
Speaker 3: Everyone used that thing. I remember using it relentlessly the
Speaker 3: week it came out, and it was so good for
Speaker 3: so long and the day I mean, say.
Speaker 1: What, the Make twenty three is good for ask it
Speaker 1: for teaching new players how to rip the wings off
Speaker 1: their plane.
Speaker 3: The twenty three is good, but it shouldn't be up
Speaker 3: to here to face the F fourteen. I will say,
Speaker 3: if you're having issues with the F fourteen A, go
Speaker 3: play the B. People are doing pretty good with the B.
Speaker 3: I got killed multiple times by the B yesterday. The
Speaker 3: fifty four c's are a little bit better than the
Speaker 3: fifty four a's. You also get AM nine l's on
Speaker 3: the B. On the A, I think you get g's.
Speaker 3: I think they're am nine g's, so you'll have a
Speaker 3: little bit better luck with the B. So give that
Speaker 3: a shot. It might help you out quite a bit.
Speaker 3: But there you go.
Speaker 1: Pro tip out there everybody there. Here's another pro tip Guijen.
Speaker 1: Since you're listening, you're here right, you heard the last
Speaker 1: segment drops content creators. Hey, look, we clearly love your game.
Speaker 1: We got your free podcast, but oh my goodness, look
Speaker 1: this is not too dog on the esports guys. I
Speaker 1: appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2: Existing, but don't take this the wrong way. Esports, y'all
Speaker 2: aren't legal legends.
Speaker 1: And all I'm saying is the fact that if you
Speaker 1: don't do drops on esports is like three thousand people watching,
Speaker 1: and if you do activate the drops to thirty five
Speaker 1: thousand and y'all don't raid any I'm not even saying
Speaker 1: raid me. I don't even stream on the time, so
Speaker 1: they could raid me. But they don't even raid the
Speaker 1: other content creators. They don't share the love. And then
Speaker 1: do you want to give us drops? Like I get it,
Speaker 1: you're trying to, you know, get people to get into
Speaker 1: the game. I completely respect that. That's fine, it's fun.
Speaker 1: You even won't people to participate in esports. I've participated
Speaker 1: in esports tournament, though I had to drop out because
Speaker 1: my wife and you know, having a baby and all
Speaker 1: that other fun stuff. But you got people like me
Speaker 1: and Gail, Like any given stream, I might have one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty, he might have two hundred. You know,
Speaker 1: you'll have all these other streamers who have bigger or
Speaker 1: less numbers. All of us love the game. We technically
Speaker 1: push your product. Because Gael's over here shilling his link
Speaker 1: even without a decal in the game. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: buy all the packs, use my link, get all the eagles.
Speaker 1: The least you could do for us, give us drops
Speaker 1: like you got two hundred and fifty thousand people playing
Speaker 1: your game. Don't tell me you can't afford to give
Speaker 1: us some dag. I'm dropped them trash.
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 3: Is the is the subtopic? The fourth topic of the day. Revduce,
Speaker 3: Just say everything that you've really held inside about me.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna I'm gonna go easy. I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: easy on the est sports because I can easily get myself.
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm trying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my issue is I've had a long discussion with
Speaker 3: odd pause really about this and other and other the
Speaker 3: esports guys is my opinion is the esports I really
Speaker 3: I I applaud what they're trying to do. I I
Speaker 3: appreciate the foundation they've put together, the sponsorships that they've acquired,
Speaker 3: your organization they've put together. My issue is that when
Speaker 3: you look into it, it's the same less than one
Speaker 3: hundred players every single time choosing what game mode are,
Speaker 3: what tanks they want, what planes they want, and nonehing
Speaker 3: that no decision they make seems like, you know, for
Speaker 3: me and you guys who have put a community together
Speaker 3: that we try to put together entertaining content, you know,
Speaker 3: we look at what they're doing and we're like, what
Speaker 3: are they thinking? You know, sure, you guys like playing
Speaker 3: top tier tanks, top tier planes, but like we said earlier,
Speaker 3: like you said, I imagine twenty percent of the player
Speaker 3: base and worth on there might have a top tier
Speaker 3: They don't know what they're looking at when they go
Speaker 3: to watch an esports street.
Speaker 2: I think that's a very generous note.
Speaker 3: That's a generous number because yeah, they they don't know
Speaker 3: what they're watching. And on top of that, I love
Speaker 3: that you brought up League Legends because I brought this
Speaker 3: top up yesterday on stream. Is that what makes if
Speaker 3: you look at all the esports games, what is common
Speaker 3: with all of them, Legal Legends, DODA, counter Strike, Overwatch, Valorant,
Speaker 3: What makes those games similar? They all have a very
Speaker 3: class based character system or weapons system with balanced maps, Right,
Speaker 3: that might be generous if some of you guys play
Speaker 3: one of those other games and you're thinking of what
Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, you might be thinking of an
Speaker 3: example with that. It's not true, but generic generally.
Speaker 1: Predator in the Tree shoots me and Cso that's not balanced.
Speaker 3: So like it's it's and what is worth them they're doing,
Speaker 3: they're not having. They're playing a br where there's not
Speaker 3: a class system. You're not even allowed to bring in
Speaker 3: light tanks. I don't think. I don't think. I mean
Speaker 3: it's like it's MBTs and spaas and it's like where's
Speaker 3: the class system? Because that top tier warth Under everything
Speaker 3: does everything. Every single tank drives fast, every single tank
Speaker 3: auto range finds, every single tank throws a dart through
Speaker 3: you that has five hundred millimeters a pin Like it's
Speaker 3: it's it's not a good interesting thing to watch, and
Speaker 3: I think that's what really irks content creators like me
Speaker 3: and many many other people. I hear about complaints all
Speaker 3: the time, especially as the only Snails leader I hear.
Speaker 3: I get. So I woke up to seven dms today
Speaker 3: about people bitching that's sorry that they didn't raid anybody,
Speaker 3: and it's like it what it wouldn't irritate people if
Speaker 3: you went to that stream and you watched it and
Speaker 3: it's like, wow, this is this is awesome. That guy
Speaker 3: is in a heavy tank, he's in a tiger too,
Speaker 3: He's taken shots. His buddy behind them in a in
Speaker 3: a in a tank destoryer is trying to lob shots
Speaker 3: over him while he's tanking shots while the light tank
Speaker 3: is over here spotting who's coming around the corner. That
Speaker 3: doesn't happen because everyone's driving around in a tad or
Speaker 3: an Abrams or a Leopard and shooting the other guy
Speaker 3: from twelve hundred meters because they because they do.
Speaker 1: It's the five.
Speaker 3: Exactly, And it's like it's like, you know, not to take.
Speaker 1: Also to be clear, not to take take away from
Speaker 1: any of you players.
Speaker 3: Who they're cracked, not taking away. Yeah, they're they're really
Speaker 3: really good at the game.
Speaker 1: Does it speak to the people.
Speaker 3: That it does?
Speaker 2: I'm just actually trying to attract with those videos, right.
Speaker 3: It doesn't. It doesn't go a.
Speaker 2: Heck of a lot farther if they were.
Speaker 1: You know, this match, we're going to see who's better
Speaker 1: with the pans or fours and the sermons, you know,
Speaker 1: having to use the SDZ to do spotting and then
Speaker 1: on the other opposite side of the M twenty two
Speaker 1: for spotting, like actually making people have to use more
Speaker 1: tactics and stuff versus Look, everything's basically a one shot yeah,
Speaker 1: you know because especially and again I'm not hating on esports,
Speaker 1: like you said, I respect what they're doing, but it's
Speaker 1: almost always the same maps. Everything ends up basically being
Speaker 1: within one mile, you're one shot in each other. It's
Speaker 1: just who can peak the corner faster. And look, that's
Speaker 1: the mode. Not taking away from any players who are cracked.
Speaker 1: You're way better than I am, not like trying to
Speaker 1: pretend I can do it.
Speaker 2: It's just is this helping the greater community?
Speaker 3: Is the question? Right?
Speaker 1: And if the only reason people we're coming is because
Speaker 1: you turned on big drops to unlock a crappy p
Speaker 1: fifty one. But when we don't have type of deal, right,
Speaker 1: then are you actually not only growing the game but
Speaker 1: growing the enjoyment of the game. And I don't feel
Speaker 1: like that's happening. Yeah, So that's why I kind of
Speaker 1: perk my head. And so why can't I do drops?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like I can help, Right, it's not
Speaker 1: even about being better than these sports. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think we can both coexist. But we want to
Speaker 1: grow the game, we want to support the game, and
Speaker 1: we feel like we're hitting maybe a different contingent.
Speaker 2: Y'all need to give attention to Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I used to complain about this all the time
Speaker 3: on stream, and I was told for multiple reasons why
Speaker 3: we don't get drops, and none of them turned out
Speaker 3: to be true. And you know, I have sent guys
Speaker 3: and emails about it, asking what I can do, what
Speaker 3: we can do as a streaming community to get drops,
Speaker 3: and I pretty much get hit with a it's coming soon,
Speaker 3: but we can't tell any more about it, you know,
Speaker 3: coming soon, and warth under. I'm very familiar with that term.
Speaker 3: It means nothing, you know, it's a it's a very
Speaker 3: professional response to stop asking sort of thing. And and
Speaker 3: I want to say before we get into this more,
Speaker 3: I really appreciate the work they put in, you know,
Speaker 3: for stream quality as a streamer, they're you know every
Speaker 3: all the quality that they are. The effort they put
Speaker 3: into their stream quality is really good, like as it's
Speaker 3: come a long way in the last couple of years too,
Speaker 3: Like they really put on a good stream, you know,
Speaker 3: and they're and they're well most of their casters are
Speaker 3: interesting people that know what they're talking about and do
Speaker 3: their best. The issue is and what's holding them back
Speaker 3: is legitimately the gameplay. It's not interesting to watch. And
Speaker 3: then you know, people come by for warth on their drops.
Speaker 3: You know, there's worth on their drops again this weekend,
Speaker 3: and what are you gonna get two boosters in a
Speaker 3: day at premium.
Speaker 1: One day at premium, which by the way, I'll gladly
Speaker 1: take one day a free premium. It's just more of
Speaker 1: like that's what we're using, and who is it incentivizing.
Speaker 3: Exactly where I come to.
Speaker 1: Your point, Like you look at League Legends or even
Speaker 1: a game that I played a lot of back in
Speaker 1: the day, Clash of Clans, when they would show off
Speaker 1: their you know, alliance tournaments.
Speaker 2: You know, alliances are going against each other.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't just be watching town Hall twelve and just
Speaker 1: pulling that out like high tier. You'd also be watching
Speaker 1: the town Hall eight fights and how are they using
Speaker 1: their riders versus you know, this person's going with an
Speaker 1: all archer set up. You would see variants and again,
Speaker 1: all this simply because you want to try to reach
Speaker 1: as many people as possible, right, and believe it or not,
Speaker 1: there are those of us who maybe don't enjoy playing
Speaker 1: at thirteen. Oh, but we can get real sweaty down
Speaker 1: at six to get the Tigers out.
Speaker 2: We'll get sweaty with them, and we want to see
Speaker 2: that too.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I thought what was really interesting was last
Speaker 3: year when they did the CC tournament that you brought up,
Speaker 3: it wasn't the same brs. It was really interesting they
Speaker 3: played we played lower tier stuff, and it's like, why
Speaker 3: is the seasons participant? Yeah, like why are we playing
Speaker 3: lower tier stuff in CC tournaments but not in the
Speaker 3: big tournaments? And I think you're right. If you're gonna
Speaker 3: run drops for a game, which if you're a YouTube
Speaker 3: viewer or you never on twitch, or you know, you
Speaker 3: don't really it's probably hard for you to connect with
Speaker 3: our gripe right now. But the whole point of running
Speaker 3: Twitch drops is to blow your game up for a
Speaker 3: few days and bring in a lot of new viewers
Speaker 3: because they want free stuff, and you're trying to attract
Speaker 3: people to keep you know, your category growing and keep
Speaker 3: new players coming because the only way to get your
Speaker 3: game to grow is to attract new people. And if
Speaker 3: a game as old as warth Under, how do you
Speaker 3: attract new people? You blow it up on social media
Speaker 3: and you get old people to come back, or you
Speaker 3: get new people to see it. And we all know
Speaker 3: that the Warthunder advertisements don't do anything for that because
Speaker 3: they're really bad. And if you're gonna run drops on
Speaker 3: war th Under, I'm okay with CC's not getting drops
Speaker 3: if the drops if the stream that they're attached to
Speaker 3: was good. But the issue is they put very little
Speaker 3: effort into accommodating the players who are going to be
Speaker 3: new to the game. If you go watch the esports
Speaker 3: stream and you're like, Oh, that game looks awesome, I'm
Speaker 3: going to play that game and you download war th Under,
Speaker 3: guess what, go grind for a thousand game? Go grind
Speaker 3: for a thousand hours, you know, like.
Speaker 1: You know, we should pull this for next episode because
Speaker 1: I don't know the current rate.
Speaker 2: But what is the current rate?
Speaker 1: If you logged into war th Under today, it's a
Speaker 1: brand new player, your average hour time to reach br ten.
Speaker 3: Br ten if you only play one nation.
Speaker 1: By the way, picking out of thin air is still
Speaker 1: not technically what you do at easy. No, it's sports
Speaker 1: only high enough to where you're starting to get in
Speaker 1: the conversation.
Speaker 3: I would say premium time or no premium time, no
Speaker 3: premium time, no premium time. Hundreds of hours one nation,
Speaker 3: hundreds of hours easily two hundred hours minimum, I would say,
Speaker 3: because the only reason I know that is because I'm
Speaker 3: grinding through every tank in the game right now.
Speaker 2: I'd even say two hundred hours is only if you're.
Speaker 3: Like super and that's if you're crap, that's if you're
Speaker 3: doing good. If you're brand new to the game, it
Speaker 3: might be five hundred hours because you have to learn.
Speaker 1: And again this while I think that you and not
Speaker 1: the viewers, because I was in my my brain, I
Speaker 1: was think about thousand hours to like truly start reaching
Speaker 1: up there, know what you're doing, and not have just
Speaker 1: say also single tracked, because that is something you could do.
Speaker 1: You can just hop into war Thunder and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm only going to ride the left track of air essentially, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, which is mostly gonna be like your light
Speaker 1: fighters and you just stick with that, but you ignore
Speaker 1: all the bombers and the strike aircraft if you want
Speaker 1: to crowd speed run it. But most people are going
Speaker 1: to want to collect all the things because you know,
Speaker 1: it's a game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're if you're if you want a well
Speaker 3: balanced lineup at ten oh no premium time, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a few hundred hours, I would say, easily, Like
Speaker 3: I mean that's and that's if Yeah, if you're playing,
Speaker 3: if you are gonna be starting out playing not well
Speaker 3: and you don't have you not spend any money, and
Speaker 3: you have to learn the game, it's gonna be a
Speaker 3: long time. So yeah, the es Sports stream running high
Speaker 3: tier stuff does not It doesn't do well for new
Speaker 3: players the game who see it. If you want people
Speaker 3: to come back and play your game, come play a
Speaker 3: br where they watch it and they're like, hey I
Speaker 3: have that tank or hey I'm about to unlock that
Speaker 3: tank and I want to learn how to play it.
Speaker 3: You know, I want to see what these guys are
Speaker 3: doing because these are the postedly, these are supposedly the
Speaker 3: best players in the world for warth Under. Let's see
Speaker 3: how they play my favorite tank. Let's see how they
Speaker 3: play the tank that I'm unlocking next. But most people
Speaker 3: aren't seeing that. I would say ninety percent of people
Speaker 3: aren't seeing that. That's why you see a lot of
Speaker 3: the esports stream Like you said, last weekend they ran
Speaker 3: no drops. They peaked at a thousand viewers. When they
Speaker 3: do run drops thirty thirty five thousand viewers, it is
Speaker 3: it is a legitimately, it is a massive, massive increase,
Speaker 3: and all those people leave if you look at their
Speaker 3: chat just getting spammed with drops? How I get drops?
Speaker 3: Where are drops? How the drops work? Can I get
Speaker 3: drops here? How long can you guys stream longer? I
Speaker 3: don't have, you know, It's like and as as a
Speaker 3: content creator who is on that platform, and I also
Speaker 3: don't stream at the same time as them. So I'm
Speaker 3: not saying this as someone who wants them to raid me,
Speaker 3: because I have no skin in the game in terms
Speaker 3: of getting raided them not sharing drops with the ccs
Speaker 3: who keep the category alive. But then at the same time,
Speaker 3: they want to cash out on the category that we've
Speaker 3: build every single week. They want those viewers to come
Speaker 3: watch their drops and you know, but then they don't
Speaker 3: even raid out to any of the ccs and it's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a huge gripe.
Speaker 1: And I do want to piggyback on this, and just
Speaker 1: for those who are listening, especially if you're not a
Speaker 1: twitch person, just to kind of give you a little
Speaker 1: bit more context. This isn't and I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 1: to y'all and tell you that there's not a little
Speaker 1: bit of selfiders here. And if any content career tells
Speaker 1: you they're not a little selfish, they're probably lying to you.
Speaker 2: At least we're honest about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is that aspect where, yeah, we would love
Speaker 1: for the game company themselves to come right into us,
Speaker 1: but like I said, neither me nor HILM have that
Speaker 1: time availability anyway, so it'd be someone else. They're also
Speaker 1: thinking from this perspective, we're talking about wanting the game
Speaker 1: to get better. We're praising that two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand people were on this past Friday, and I legitimately
Speaker 1: those are great things. Yeah, but how could war thundergrow
Speaker 1: well again, just to give you all numbers that y'all
Speaker 1: might not know. World of Tanks, which is probably the
Speaker 1: big competition the whole World of series right for war Thunder,
Speaker 1: that's their direct competition. I'm not here saying World of
Speaker 1: Tanks and World of Ships and stuff are bad, just
Speaker 1: going throughout numbers. World of Tanks is a much smaller
Speaker 1: game in terms of population. Again not being a hater,
Speaker 1: but right now, depending on when you look on like
Speaker 1: Steam database, they'll have between seven and nine thousand people
Speaker 1: via Steam who are in the game and obviously have
Speaker 1: their own client. Right that's still good numbers. Right now
Speaker 1: at the time of us recording the exact same time,
Speaker 1: war Thunder just on Steam as fifty five thousand. The
Speaker 1: reason I bring those up is because if you go
Speaker 1: over to Twitch right now at the time of us
Speaker 1: recording on a Monday evening, World of Tanks has four
Speaker 1: thousand people watching right now.
Speaker 2: War Thunder, to the significantly larger game.
Speaker 1: Has got one point five thousand people watching. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of where we're coming from. Is because there aren't
Speaker 1: things on play like Twitch or YouTube. The fact that
Speaker 1: there was no warth Under podcast that means that there's
Speaker 1: so many people who love warth Under who are missing.
Speaker 1: Call it additional content and more engaging content. So if
Speaker 1: you have let's just use the example I said in
Speaker 1: terms of population. Let's say you have five times the
Speaker 1: overall population of your nearest competitor, but they have three
Speaker 1: times as many people watching you on social media. That
Speaker 1: doesn't tell you that they're better. It's just simply tells
Speaker 1: you that you have a void that you could fill
Speaker 1: and that your players would love to engage in. And that,
Speaker 1: to me, is what the drops are all about and
Speaker 1: the ratings all about. We want to one hit more
Speaker 1: than just the top tier players, and we want to
Speaker 1: encourage people to have more fun in the game, because,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, warth Under can get frustrated. We get
Speaker 1: tired of grinding. How do we leave that grind? We
Speaker 1: hang out with our friends and we don't take it
Speaker 1: so serious for a week.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, That's an area that war th Under needs to
Speaker 1: really capitalize on, especially because ye're in. They've grown population,
Speaker 1: but a lot of their subsidiary side of things, like
Speaker 1: these social medias haven't really changed at all the same
Speaker 1: things they were three or four years ago. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and that's what we're trying to do here. It's not
Speaker 1: just oh, give Rev and Gale all the things. It's no,
Speaker 1: we truly think that if the entire community benefits, we
Speaker 1: will then benefit the community first, and then we'll come
Speaker 1: behind it and help it keep going.
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, And I think as a as
Speaker 3: a streamer who plays warth Under, you know, ninety percent
Speaker 3: of the time if someone comes into my stream who's
Speaker 3: never seen warth Under before, there they'll be like what
Speaker 3: is this game all about? And I'll be like, well,
Speaker 3: it's a vehicle combat game with tank planes stuff like that.
Speaker 3: The second question is always, oh so is it like
Speaker 3: World of Tanks? That is the most common question you get.
Speaker 2: And it's such a crazy question because war.
Speaker 3: Th Unders and it's so much larger Go to.
Speaker 1: Tanks, it's just so more populated and there's more people
Speaker 1: who play it across the world. But yet the first
Speaker 1: reaction on like twitch side of things is is it
Speaker 1: like World of Tanks?
Speaker 3: And I think, like, I think, I think that's a
Speaker 3: lot of Guidgin's promotional issues. You know World of Tanks.
Speaker 3: You know, they they they do a lot of promotional
Speaker 3: stuff with like the drive tank guys and Texas where
Speaker 3: there's actual tanks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Star Trek events.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have stuff all the time. And it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, you go watch your favorite creator and they've
Speaker 3: probably have something in World of Tanks or they've done
Speaker 3: a sponsorship with World of Tanks that has been objectively awesome,
Speaker 3: and you go watch warth Onder promotion and what do
Speaker 3: you have? You have anime girls dancing on top of
Speaker 3: tanks and you're jumping tanks across to like dubstep. It's like,
Speaker 3: what are we doing? You know, like people see that
Speaker 3: game and they're like, people see those promotions. Warth Under
Speaker 3: is a badass game, but you watch those promotional things,
Speaker 3: you're like, what is this? What am I watching right now?
Speaker 1: Like it's so crazy because like I get that there
Speaker 1: are people who enjoy that, and I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm really big. I don't want to yuck anybody's jump.
Speaker 1: If you like big anime titty girls on your tank,
Speaker 1: awesome warth Under unless you have a toggle where you
Speaker 1: never see any of that. If you don't want to,
Speaker 1: that's fair for any of you people who don't play
Speaker 1: worth or you're like, well that just takes me out
Speaker 1: because of immersion. You don't even have to look at
Speaker 1: it if you don't.
Speaker 3: Want to turn it off.
Speaker 1: We're just more saying cater to more groups too, have more.
Speaker 3: I think we will hit everybody because I think legitimately
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit biased. I do make content on
Speaker 3: all platforms, but I'm a little bit biased towards Twitch.
Speaker 3: So when it comes to war th Under, I think
Speaker 3: if you want to learn what warth Under is all about,
Speaker 3: you want to see what it's like to play warth Under,
Speaker 3: Twitch is the only place to get that true experience.
Speaker 3: If you want to see what the grind is, you
Speaker 3: want to see what the emotions are. If you want
Speaker 3: to see the true warth Under experience, you watch Twitch
Speaker 3: because you see it in live time. You don't get editing,
Speaker 3: you don't get you don't get to put a well
Speaker 3: formatted video together. You get to see what warth unders
Speaker 3: grind is really about. And that's why I think we
Speaker 3: have such a gripe about the Esports and the drops
Speaker 3: is because they taking what I think is the strongest
Speaker 3: promotional piece for war Thunder, which is the Twitch category,
Speaker 3: and they're squandering it on an esports stream that's very
Speaker 3: heavily heavily produced and overproduced and not inherently interesting or
Speaker 3: a good example of what the game is. So that's
Speaker 3: why I love that.
Speaker 1: You said that, because, like if I was, because I'm
Speaker 1: a YouTube first guy. For those are who in my background,
Speaker 1: I've always been YouTube. I love Twitch, but I was
Speaker 1: YouTube first. That's where I tend to be biased towards
Speaker 1: his YouTube because YouTube's treating my family well. But like
Speaker 1: if I was going to, for example, we talked about
Speaker 1: it early. If I was gonna make an AM nine
Speaker 1: to L video, right, and I'm gonna talk about, oh,
Speaker 1: well this is using you know, an IR proximity fews
Speaker 1: and all this. I probably spent two hours going through
Speaker 1: thirty matches to get the video to then make an
Speaker 1: eight minute video, and I edited the crap out of it,
Speaker 1: and it almost makes it seem like, oh, well, it's
Speaker 1: not that big a deal. I'll watched him make an
Speaker 1: eight minute video on how to use it and where
Speaker 1: to find it. Yeah, without you seeing the literal amount
Speaker 1: of like, well, crap, this play, even though from the
Speaker 1: same era, doesn't.
Speaker 2: Have this specific game, not ill you have to go
Speaker 2: over this.
Speaker 1: Plane over here. Yeah and wait, crap, this faction doesn't
Speaker 1: have it even though it's in Nato.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they would have the same stuff, but nay, nay,
Speaker 2: yeah not.
Speaker 1: You gotta go over here. And that's the that's the
Speaker 1: you know that aspect that only like Twitch and live
Speaker 1: can really.
Speaker 2: Teach you about the game. And it has a lot
Speaker 2: of value for that.
Speaker 1: Not that the YouTube value isn't there, but YouTube's more
Speaker 1: of a if you know what you're looking for. It's
Speaker 1: great to find the information. Yeah, but if you're wanting.
Speaker 2: To like experience a game, Twitch is the place.
Speaker 3: Twitch is the place to really experience it. Yeah. YouTube
Speaker 3: is the place to learn you know quickly. Twitches the
Speaker 3: place to experience it and to squander thirty thousand people
Speaker 3: who are going to watch it, those people could be
Speaker 3: finding CC's that they are interested and they think are
Speaker 3: that they will come back and watch every week. And
Speaker 3: the one time of year that we do get drops,
Speaker 3: I will say I get four or five hundred, six
Speaker 3: hundred followers, maybe twenty stick around. But those twenty viewers
Speaker 3: that stick around, they are twenty viewers I would have
Speaker 3: never met. And if you compound that every single month
Speaker 3: that they run drops, if you compounded that for everyone's channel,
Speaker 3: everyone grows, the whole category gets more important, the whole
Speaker 3: category gets better.
Speaker 1: They take that a step further, Like those twenty people, right,
Speaker 1: they have their own squadrons.
Speaker 2: Typically they have their own friends on discords.
Speaker 1: Or Slack or team speak, whatever ancient tech they're using.
Speaker 2: Right, So it trickles out right, Like, so it's not
Speaker 2: just about like.
Speaker 1: Gaale affected twenty, Right, it's those twenty. What if they
Speaker 1: each had two friends and they're playing the games together, Because.
Speaker 2: Look, I have a squadron of one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: eight people.
Speaker 1: It's awesome, But most of those one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: eight people aren't playing with me every day. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: playing with each other, or they're playing with other friends
Speaker 1: of different squadrons.
Speaker 2: So like that's what we're getting at.
Speaker 1: Like, if the community is growing and they're interacting and
Speaker 1: they're having more fun, it benefits everybody. It benefit's the game,
Speaker 1: it benefits content creators, and then it benefits players because
Speaker 1: players are more knowledgeable, they have fun, they make more friends,
Speaker 1: and it just it makes the gaming experience better. And
Speaker 1: at the core, guides is not the only one, but
Speaker 1: in modern gaming, so many people have lost that MMO
Speaker 1: games are multiplayer online game, not just the aspect of
Speaker 1: its own line. It's the multiplayer online and it's about
Speaker 1: those connections, and it's about you know, coming to podcasts
Speaker 1: that you know, if you're just working a nine to five,
Speaker 1: you don't play video games, there's no reason to do
Speaker 1: a war th Under podcast. You're here because you.
Speaker 3: Like the game, right, and more.
Speaker 1: People want to do that, but you have to give
Speaker 1: them the ability to experience and enjoy it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think playing with your friends and playing
Speaker 3: with the people around you is a great segue to
Speaker 3: our final point, which is the Only Snails and a
Speaker 3: bunch of losers. And we'd love to talk about the
Speaker 3: best stream team and the best networking platform. I think
Speaker 3: the only true networking platform and when it comes to
Speaker 3: content creators for war Thunder is the Only Snails. Funny
Speaker 3: name I know, laugh about. That's the point. But about
Speaker 3: six seven months ago I put together with some other
Speaker 3: buddies of mine, we put together the Only Snails. And
Speaker 3: that's exactly what we try to do. We try to
Speaker 3: get group of people together who make content for the game,
Speaker 3: who enjoy each other's company, who may not know about
Speaker 3: each other, they want to meet each other. If you
Speaker 3: make content on YouTube, if you make content on Twitch,
Speaker 3: on TikTok, on Instagram, on whatever you do, you're welcome
Speaker 3: to join The Only Snails And it's just to help
Speaker 3: people grow, no requirements. Just put your stuff out there,
Speaker 3: help each other grow, because guidgen isn't doing anything to
Speaker 3: help us meet each other is not They're not doing
Speaker 3: anything to help us grow. So we have to help
Speaker 3: each other grow. You have to promote your stuff. It's
Speaker 3: completely free. You just join, check out each other's work.
Speaker 3: You know, if you on Twitch, rate each other. If
Speaker 3: you're not on Twitch, don't rate each other. If you're
Speaker 3: on Twitch, you don't want to raid each other. You
Speaker 3: don't have to do whatever you want. You know, it's
Speaker 3: and I think that you know it's it's blowing up recently,
Speaker 3: and we're getting new people every day, and and and
Speaker 3: we've helped a lot of people get Twitch a phil
Speaker 3: it and Twitch partner. We've helped people get warth Under partner.
Speaker 3: And so if you're listening to this and you make
Speaker 3: content for the game, and you're like, how do I
Speaker 3: promote my stuff? I don't want to go pick TikTok
Speaker 3: or Instagram or YouTube to promote my stuff. I want
Speaker 3: to meet new people, but it feels like the world
Speaker 3: is so huge and there's so many people that make content.
Speaker 3: How do I meet them all? Well, there you go,
Speaker 3: join the Only.
Speaker 2: Snails, join our discord, and I'll properly ban you. Just kidding.
Speaker 1: And also just from the non if you're just a
Speaker 1: player out there, I also want to encourage y'all.
Speaker 2: Y'all have an open invitations.
Speaker 1: Not only comes see the content that Snails make, but
Speaker 1: just meet people, talk to people. Just it's not just
Speaker 1: for creators. If you're just a fan of Claudia, who
Speaker 1: I've only started watching because I saw that she was
Speaker 1: in the Snails and then like, oh cool, it's a European,
Speaker 1: she speaks cool language.
Speaker 2: This is fun.
Speaker 1: Now, well play game right, or it's you know, somebody
Speaker 1: from New Zealand. Y Just the people you can meet
Speaker 1: and then the communities you can be a part of.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: To me, that's what makes warth undergrade. Anybody that's attended
Speaker 1: my warth Underst stuff. We're not being sweaty. We can
Speaker 1: get sweaty. Man. I had a nice air match the
Speaker 1: other day. We're at twenty seven and oh, people probably
Speaker 1: thinking I was botting. It only happened one time, but
Speaker 1: at one time I was goaded. Right, You can have
Speaker 1: some of those, but it's more about the man. It's
Speaker 1: so cool to just load up with three friends.
Speaker 2: At a time and go at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And sometimes the only way to meet people is
Speaker 3: to put yourself in a situation where there's people that
Speaker 3: you don't know. And exactly, I've met a lot of
Speaker 3: cool people. And honestly, it's funny that these two topics
Speaker 3: are together is because the only reason I came up
Speaker 3: with the only snails is because the CC tournament they
Speaker 3: did last year, they did the esports tournament with just ccs,
Speaker 3: and I realized there's hundreds of ccs out there. There's
Speaker 3: I think there's over a thousand content creators for warthund
Speaker 3: there are that are partnered with Guigen, so there's thousands
Speaker 3: of people who aren't as well. And it's like I
Speaker 3: realized just how many there are and how many I
Speaker 3: hadn't heard of. And that CC tournament really put me
Speaker 3: in touch with a lot of people I'd never met before.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, why is there not a group to
Speaker 3: help people meet each other? And I'm like, you know
Speaker 3: what I got Twitch partner. I'm gonna make that. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna make that group and I'm gonna do what I
Speaker 3: can to help people meet.
Speaker 1: Each other probably out there asking like did Guidge and
Speaker 1: have like something right that.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that later. Yeah, another topic, how could
Speaker 2: they improve?
Speaker 3: Yeah Guide it does have a group, but yeah, it
Speaker 3: was run by a Guijian employee that has been has
Speaker 3: since been fired. He uh, he's it's a dead group
Speaker 3: and only like guys who like twenty thirty people are
Speaker 3: in that in that group, and all of which don't
Speaker 3: stream anymore maybe maybe three or online on the daily.
Speaker 3: The esports organization also has a stream team, but it's
Speaker 3: only for buddies of buddies and casters, so you don't
Speaker 3: get in that group either. So it's like, yeah, it
Speaker 3: seems like the topic of the day is you know,
Speaker 3: guidgen would like if they there's a ball to drop,
Speaker 3: they would love to drop it, and you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: He's also given them a lot of credit today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: There's a lot that they're doing. What like any game,
Speaker 1: there are things that they could do better at. I
Speaker 1: know it's tough because, like I mentioned him earlier, I
Speaker 1: was at house of Jay's stream, and you know, he
Speaker 1: was frustrated about stuffing, and I get being frustrated, you know,
Speaker 1: And I would say, from my experience, is guiding the
Speaker 1: worst Dead team I've ever worked with.
Speaker 2: No, not even close.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, that doesn't mean that the
Speaker 1: frustrations that so many players have aren't legit and aren't valid.
Speaker 1: They are right.
Speaker 2: And my hope is.
Speaker 1: As we wrap up this episode, my hope is that
Speaker 1: not only can we help grow the community, help entertain y'all,
Speaker 1: maybe teach y'all a little bit in War Thunder, help
Speaker 1: y'all understand why things are happening, but also to help
Speaker 1: them right, help them have a better game, because as
Speaker 1: crazy as it is, over a decade that you and
Speaker 1: I have been playing, this is the most populated the
Speaker 1: games ever been. This is the most popular the games
Speaker 1: ever been, and it seems to be getting more popular.
Speaker 1: So from that aspect, you can almost consider this as
Speaker 1: a game that's brand new. And I know that's kind
Speaker 1: of crazy to think, but if you're talking about them
Speaker 1: being in like, what is it you're thirteen now? Is
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty thirteen? I think may have been beta.
Speaker 1: Think twenty thirteen or twenty twelve is my first started
Speaker 1: again old guard badge either way over a decade. But
Speaker 1: if you've hitched your population peak now and you're still growing,
Speaker 1: what happens seven years ago doesn't matter, is my point. Right,
Speaker 1: You're trying to help them grow from where they're at
Speaker 1: right now, and I'd want that. I do hope that
Speaker 1: we can help guide to make up better games that
Speaker 1: more people continue to enjoy and it gets bigger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think if Guidgin's watching, or anyone
Speaker 3: is watching, our criticism I hopefully came across as constructive criticism.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people out there that would love
Speaker 3: to give non constructive criticism, but we legit just want
Speaker 3: the game to get bigger because everyone everyone benefits if
Speaker 3: their favorite game gets bigger in the world. And I
Speaker 3: think I think there's a lot of things they could
Speaker 3: do to make it more popular, and maybe there's a
Speaker 3: lot of things they've not thought about, or a lot
Speaker 3: of things that maybe they thought could have been a problem,
Speaker 3: but they don't really they're not expose the people, you know,
Speaker 3: voice their criticisms against it, you know, and maybe maybe
Speaker 3: it'll help, Maybe we get people talking and maybe Guidin
Speaker 3: hears about that and they make some changes that they
Speaker 3: didn't realize that people were unhappy with, or maybe the
Speaker 3: Esports organization. You know, I want to say one more time,
Speaker 3: I think they're great guys, and I think they put
Speaker 3: a lot of effort in to do their best, but
Speaker 3: I think there's some foundational issues that they could solve
Speaker 3: and make it way more popular. And if they ever
Speaker 3: want to talk, you know, I'm not saying me or
Speaker 3: Rev know everything about making a twitch dream, but I
Speaker 3: will say it's not easy to put a twitch stream
Speaker 3: together and grow your platform. And if they ever want
Speaker 3: to talk and pick our brain about what we think
Speaker 3: can make it more entertaining, we're one hundred percent will
Speaker 3: have that discussion. Hell, if if the leader of the
Speaker 3: Esports wants to be on the podcast, he can, We're
Speaker 3: completely open to that. I would love to have a
Speaker 3: discussion because I'm sure a lot of things we said
Speaker 3: today are just things that we're assuming and we don't
Speaker 3: actually know. It could be wrong. And if you ever
Speaker 3: wanted to come on, I never.
Speaker 2: Know the other side until you talk to the other side.
Speaker 3: I would love to talk to the other side. And yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So it could be one of those things that they've
Speaker 1: considered it before and maybe they tried at one time
Speaker 1: that it didn't work, and maybe that's why they haven't
Speaker 1: gone back to it. But at the same time, like,
Speaker 1: as long as I think what's important is as long
Speaker 1: as there's that open dialogue right where, because there's also like, hey,
Speaker 1: Gail and Rev could be better, Like it's it's two
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Speaker 1: same time, neither me nor Gaie or I.
Speaker 2: Show speed nowhere close Now we are closer to you
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Speaker 1: Right, It's like, so there's there's always elements of everybody
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Speaker 2: We can make.
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