WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.640 On one and you blew me off. You are a gryptor, 2 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:06.519 that's what I said, So would have been very easy 3 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:09.320 to set up a five minute conversation, which, as you 4 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:13.960 can see, he says, why don't you call me and apologize? Well, 5 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:16.719 you don't have time. I thought you were so busy 6 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:19.679 that no one can call you and talk to you 7 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:22.440 for five minutes because you're just too damn busy, got 8 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:25.760 too much going on, son, So he blew me off, 9 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:28.039 as you can say, that's what pissed me off. And 10 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:31.600 then on Twitter he keeps trying to flex the channel 11 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:35.159 that I didn't get access, like he's a crypto bro 12 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:38.520 with Trader University or some nonsense. Dude, I don't care 13 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:41.759 like go That's why I said, dude, screw off, I don't. 14 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:44.079 Care while I was trying to figure out an actual debate. 15 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:46.000 And I need him to do it with the same 16 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:47.759 chest bumping that he did. I need him to do 17 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:50.079 it with the same energy in his apology because this 18 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:50.679 is happening. 19 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:53.399 What do I have to apologize for. I tried to 20 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:54.920 reach out to you and you blew me off. You 21 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:56.759 need to apologize because you're. 22 00:00:56.679 --> 00:01:00.000 Lying before were Jay, And it's honestly old, and it's 23 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:01.759 annoint now. Having said that, I don't. 24 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:05.760 I'm sorry that you find people pushing back against you insufferable. 25 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:08.920 Nobody did anything to create this mess but you. 26 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:10.879 I would love to have a debate on one of 27 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:13.359 your guys's dogmas. Get let's let's figure out a time 28 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:16.120 and let's find a reasonable point. Despite popular opinion, guys don't. 29 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:17.680 I've actually never even had a formal debate, so I 30 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:19.159 don't even know what Jay is trying to prove. 31 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:21.719 Yeah, this is a great point here in the super chats, 32 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:25.480 d says for five or acieving maximus ys for five dollars. 33 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:28.319 Rousselan didn't have time for a five minute conversation, but 34 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:31.040 he has time to record a twenty six minute recorded 35 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.439 and edited video, and he has time to sit there 36 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:36.640 and tweet for hours about this stuff. So he's full 37 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:41.239 of shit, Ruslan, You're full of shit, dude, in debating 38 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:43.959 me that that, like Ruslan, the guy that has informal 39 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:48.519 conversations and wants to represent people accurately, is gonna lose 40 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:50.480 any debate, which, like Jay, like, I don't understand, I 41 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:51.200 really don't understand. 42 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:53.200 But I was willing to have it and now I'm 43 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:54.040 not because I. 44 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:58.159 Think, oh, here we go. Now he's not. So he's 45 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:01.799 doing the moral blackmail that Lofton did because he's a 46 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:05.159 freaking pussy as I said, he was pusslne and I 47 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.920 told you wouldn't do it, and I said, hold him accountable, 48 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.879 and his excuse says, I'm gonna have moral blackmail against 49 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:15.319 you until you apologize to me for what for crashing out? 50 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.560 For crashing out? How you blew me off? I mean, 51 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:21.159 you blow people off and expect them to just bow 52 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:23.360 to you because of your a hunter k channel do 53 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:27.919 screw you. That's douchebag behavior. You are being a douchebag. 54 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.039 So apologize for being a douchebag. And guess what you 55 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:33.000 don't have to apologize for to be in a douchebag. 56 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:35.719 I don't really care. I'm still gonna debate you. I 57 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:37.960 would always debate you, whether you're a douchebag or not. 58 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:44.759 That's why people are not concerned with this effeminate Karen stuff, 59 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:48.439 and they listen to people who just go into the issues. 60 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:52.280 Right now, you got maybe a bunch of evangelical goobers 61 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.439 in your audience that are all about piety, signaling and 62 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:56.560 you can always keep those. You can always have your 63 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:59.759 little grift, your little kingdom, your little cult. You're the 64 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:04.360 one that has the cult, Ruslan. And it won't matter 65 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.280 because it's gonna dwindle away, because everything that does not 66 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:10.560 have the foundation stones of the Apostles, the one Holy 67 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:14.400 Catholic episodic Church, is gonna die. So you can have 68 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:18.719 your little stupid ministry channel. I don't care. I will 69 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:20.879 move on. And I knew you weren't going to debate. 70 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:22.879 I knew you would come up with an excuse. And 71 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:25.199 that's why I put up the post saying hold Rouselan's 72 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:29.000 feet to the fire, because he agreed five times to 73 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:31.560 do a debate, and now he says, nah, not unless 74 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:37.360 you apologize. So gay moral blackmail exactly the gay actions 75 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.479 of Lofton six years ago. 76 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:44.080 The entire thing is evidence of someone that is behaving 77 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.879 very spectrumy, like the dude has no emotional intelligence in 78 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:49.560 terms of anything that's going on, any emotional intelligence. 79 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.120 Okay, Rusla, I mean I'm over here having fun. I 80 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:56.000 don't know what you're talking about. Like, how would I 81 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.039 write for Sam Hyde if I'm on the spectrum and 82 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.800 I don't understand emotional intelligence and interact with people. I mean, 83 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:06.159 hardcore autistic people can't do jokes. They don't have a 84 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:09.120 sense of humor, they don't understand multiple layers of reference 85 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:11.560 and meaning and sense. So again it is silly. 86 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:13.759 Keeps having meltdowns and crying and then saying, but I 87 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:14.599 can hold my own door. 88 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.439 I look like I'm crying. I look like I'm having 89 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:17.839 a meltdown. I having a blast. I don't know what 90 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:19.319 you're talking about, and I don't know. 91 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:21.240 What the chorm is. But you don't know what being 92 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:22.879 charitable and graceful and kind. 93 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:25.800 Oh we full loft and now we went full loft, 94 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:29.920 dog be charitable? You are not being charitable? Is it 95 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.839 charitable to blow people off when they're very open and 96 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:35.959 kind in chat saying let's set a time and have 97 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:40.079 a conversation. You guys saw the messages, Maybe, he says, 98 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.959 I guess you don't keep up with me, But I 99 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.120 got a lot going on. I do YouTube. Perhaps you 100 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:50.560 know I do a YouTube channel, and I have a ministry, 101 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:55.800 and I preach four times a week at church. So perhaps, 102 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:01.240 like I mean, do you think I'm taking this very seriously? Reuslin, 103 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:02.920 I'm having a blast with this. 104 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:06.959 You are low cal Reuseline line is especially with one 105 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:09.040 of the only people that was trying to give you 106 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:09.519 a lifeline. 107 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:13.360 Oh yeah, I so need Russeline. No one else will 108 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:17.600 give me a Lifeloine. Yeah. I just went on twenty 109 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:21.319 different shows on a podcast tour, got multiple giant podcasts. 110 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:24.079 I host a massive show every Friday with you know, 111 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.879 multiple millions of listeners. I just need a lifeline. Somebody 112 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:34.000 helped me in media. Nobody will help me media. 113 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:35.399 Please. 114 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:40.639 I need your jule, Yeah, I need I need you 115 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:42.759 so bad, Rustling. That's why I'm saying I don't care. Dude, 116 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:44.800 would I be making this video laughing at your ass 117 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:45.560 if I cared. 118 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:46.920 Minds to get you two events and trying to get 119 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:48.759 you to have these conversations behind the scenes. He doesn't know. 120 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:49.839 I don't think you're doing that. 121 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:51.199 I don't believe that. 122 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.600 I think maybe you asked Wes Huff or Gavin Ortland 123 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:57.360 or somebody to have a debate, and that's about it. 124 00:05:57.439 --> 00:05:59.399 So I don't think you're up to me to try 125 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:01.519 and oh your doing all this work for me. You're 126 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:03.920 trying so hard. Who believes that bullshit? 127 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:07.240 And so anyway, I find the entire thing goofy uh and. 128 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.600 And exactly, which is why I'm laughing, just lame. 129 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:12.839 And And there seems to be these two camps of 130 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:15.079 the Orthodox online. There's the Orthor Bros, which again I 131 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:17.040 just find completely insufferable. A lot of these folks came 132 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:19.720 out of, at least the leaders came out of presuppositional, 133 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:21.920 calvinistic we're so certain about everything. 134 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:24.079 And now, but do you got access? 135 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:24.959 My brothers? 136 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:29.079 Who wants access? I'm selling access right now, four thousand 137 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:34.600 dollars in person. I will personally counsel you, Blessed God Ministries. 138 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:40.279 What's up, dude, I'm. 139 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:46.680 You dog ge what you think? Man, I'm over here 140 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:48.959 crying having a meltdown son. 141 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.519 Very clearly having the biggest meltdown effort. 142 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:56.759 What's on your mind? 143 00:06:57.839 --> 00:06:58.879 So I was doing some. 144 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:02.040 Research on Mormon and I found something really interesting. Have 145 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:05.879 you ever seen or read about what the Mormons opinion 146 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:06.720 on Mohammed is? 147 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:07.879 No? 148 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.519 So if you go on there, if you go on 149 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:16.519 their website, you can read you can read about their 150 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:17.600 views on Mohammed. 151 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:23.040 One of their elders named Elder George A. Smith, and 152 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:27.399 he was quoted saying that. 153 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:33.079 Muhammad was a He was very sympathetic towards Mohammad, and 154 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.519 he said that Mohammed was raised up by God to 155 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:38.519 teach against idolatry and. 156 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:40.759 Polytheism. 157 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:42.959 Interesting. What's the guy's name again? Elder who? 158 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:45.120 Elder? 159 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:49.680 George A Smith. They also go on to say later 160 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:53.360 there's also presidents that go on to say that they had. 161 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:54.680 A portion of God's light. 162 00:07:54.600 --> 00:08:00.680 In them in him, and that he was one of 163 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:03.800 the greatest prophets to well, not prophet, they don't use 164 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:04.879 the word prophet towards hibody. 165 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:07.959 He was one of the people raised up by God 166 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:11.279 to enlighten the whole nations and to bring higher levels 167 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.160 of understanding to individuals. 168 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:21.759 In eighteen sixty eighteen fifty five, LDS apostle expressed a 169 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:24.639 positive view of Muhammad, saying he was raised up by 170 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:29.240 God on purpose he preached against idolatry. The divine purpose 171 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:33.759 in the LDS article argues that Mohammad was descended from 172 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.919 Abraham and raised up by God to fight Mohammad was 173 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:44.240 a moral teacher, expressing those similar to Jesus. Yeah, wow, 174 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:50.360 there you go right there. Yeah, I didn't know that 175 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.039 that's pretty fair, but I mean that makes perfect sense, right, 176 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.440 I mean, that confirms a lot of the points that 177 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:59.519 we've made about the similarity between these heresies. 178 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:07.759 Well, Joseph Smith, during the Mormon rebellion, he made he 179 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:13.559 called himself this generation's Mohammed and that he will lead 180 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.440 his people wow during the rebellion. 181 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:24.039 Okay. And then this is an LDS website here, and 182 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.039 this is a pro Mormon website here saying that what 183 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:32.720 prophets and apostles said about Mohammed, and it says latter 184 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:35.320 Day saying appreciation of Mohammed can also be found in 185 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:41.720 nineteen seventy eight President's statement regarding God's love, Mohammad was 186 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.919 one of the greatest religious leaders of the world and 187 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:45.840 had a portion of God's lights. So there it is, 188 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:51.519 right there, Yeah, exactly. So that's again oneer percent proof 189 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:59.519 that Mormonism is Antichrist. Thank you, man. I appreciate that. 190 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:00.759 That was just it's a very interesting. 191 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:06.000 Thank you. That's a great find. That's really good. That's 192 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:10.840 a gem right there. But I wish I could enjoy it, 193 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:15.080 but I can't because I'm crashing out. So unfortunately, I'm 194 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.960 super crashing out right now, and I'm just so unable 195 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:23.879 to control my emotions and I can't handle life in reality, 196 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:27.960 so I apologize that I can't because I'm such a sperg. 197 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:32.679 My autism is getting me right now. I wish I 198 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:38.360 could enjoy the truth that you just shared with us. Michael, 199 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:43.080 what's up, doll? And I'm gonna put this hat on 200 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.639 instead because Rouselyn said, I got Zen's in my brain. 201 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:50.360 I don't even know Damn Zen's. Zen's made me throw up, dude. 202 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:55.679 I'm straight ouping over here, straight up, Alpin, what's up, man? 203 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:59.519 I'm you yo. 204 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:06.919 I was wondering about, like, when people are in communion 205 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:14.480 with heretical doctrines or or in food communion with demons, 206 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:19.159 is there a physical effect that happens to them? 207 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:20.440 There could be. 208 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:23.879 You know, Paul in First Corinthians, when he talks about 209 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:27.279 communing at the table of devils and communing at the 210 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:31.519 table of God, seems to speak of definitely in the 211 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.679 case of communing at God's table unworthily of a negative effect. 212 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:38.600 And it seems logical to me that there could potentially 213 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:44.000 be in some cases right physical effects communing at the 214 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:47.279 table of demons too. I mean, for example, I mean 215 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:51.480 I'm thinking of take take the example of maybe not 216 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:53.600 in the case of cults, but in a lot of 217 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:58.360 religions you have the drugs that are included with the 218 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.279 communion with the deity, and drugs could definitely have a 219 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:03.360 negative effect on the body. 220 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:07.480 Because I was thinking of like the Uncanny Valley effect, 221 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:08.320 like that. 222 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:11.960 Weird fear we have when we. 223 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:16.679 See something that looks human, walks human, but everything about 224 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.519 it looks human, but there's just some tweak off that 225 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:21.399 makes us. 226 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:22.240 Terrified of it. 227 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:26.039 So I was wondering, like, if someone is in full 228 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:29.799 communion with the demonic or a heretical doctrine that can 229 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:33.440 bite something into them, that it starts physically changing them, 230 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:37.559 and we grow to fear that one person because of 231 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:39.679 that one little detail. 232 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:45.559 Interesting tale in there with Uncanny Valley. It's a great question. 233 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:47.519 I'm not sure. I haven't thought about that, but I 234 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:49.879 think there's probably a kernel of truth there for sure, 235 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:53.080 Sir Pontos. What's up, dude? By the way, it's open 236 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:56.240 for him. I don't know where else Rousselom's going to go. 237 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:00.279 It seems to be sort of rambling, but maybe he'll 238 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:04.720 get to some other point here. What's up, man, how's 239 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:08.840 it going, sir? Actually, I'm sorry, I'm also weeping and 240 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:11.679 having a crash out. Even though it looks like I'm 241 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:14.480 having fun, I'm weeping on the inside, you guys, because 242 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:18.399 my spurgatism won't allow me to have a love language. 243 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.440 Okay, So I don't know how related this is to 244 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:26.120 the topic, but I just I want to know how 245 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.960 you view view these CI guys, these guys who think they're. 246 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:29.399 The real Jews. 247 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:35.600 Who oh c I Oh, they're an absolute crazy fed 248 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:39.080 run cult. I mean if you look at Eloheim City, 249 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:43.240 I mean that's what entrapped or and got you know, 250 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:47.639 McVeigh and all those people doing their thing. That was 251 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:51.399 a CI group. And a lot of the c I groups, 252 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:52.799 not necessarily all of them, but a lot of the 253 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.000 CI groups believe in what's called the serpent seed heresy, 254 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:00.240 which is the idea that Eve adds sex with the 255 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:04.799 serpent and that spawned the Jews or some race of people. 256 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:07.080 I mean, it's a literally just a crazy heresy. So 257 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.159 and a lot of it, not every group necessarily, but 258 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.360 many of them are also obviously fed right. So it's 259 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:19.559 just it's a obvious, like perfect fed honeypot situation. And 260 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:23.360 in my my estimation, that's what the whole McVeigh situation 261 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:28.600 was Elbowhem City was on record. By the way, fed infiltrated. 262 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:30.600 We got a Roman Catholic pulsar. 263 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:31.240 What's up? 264 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:35.879 By the way, the topics are open. You guys are 265 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.879 calling about it. It doesn't have to be about Rouslom 266 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:40.279 or Protestant stuff. You call in about whatever you want. 267 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:41.600 That's just the theme tonight. 268 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:42.480 What's up? 269 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:42.679 Man? 270 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:47.120 Where's the free debate? I can't find it anywhere. 271 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:50.159 I don't think DJ posted it yet. I can look, 272 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:51.559 I can look and see. 273 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:54.480 I was looking for it like for the last forty 274 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:55.159 eight hours. 275 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:59.960 Uh, he didn't. He didn't tell me when they planned. 276 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.480 Who posted? 277 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:03.799 Did you do? 278 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:04.120 Good? 279 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:05.679 Well? 280 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:07.440 I mean, what do you think I want to say? 281 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:10.960 Well? Yeah, was it to Christian Freemason? 282 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:17.519 Yes, Chase Geyser, who is info War's former info Wars host, 283 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:21.720 and then the other guy who was who works with 284 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:29.279 the Bannon's guy, Joe Allen, so they both he's Church 285 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:32.320 of Christ. And then Chase Guysers like non denominational but 286 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:35.720 was raised I think Catholic or something. So yes. Their 287 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.240 whole argument was basically, I'll tell you what you guys. 288 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:39.879 I want you guys to watch it because it was 289 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:42.399 the thing about that to me that surprised me was 290 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:44.840 that it was way more heated than I expected. I 291 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:48.080 thought it was going to be a very sort of 292 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:52.799 just technical, sort of dry back and forth, and it 293 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:56.240 got heated. I mean there was I thought twice they 294 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:58.279 were going to rage, quit and leave. I mean it 295 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:01.320 was like we were the point of like these guys 296 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:02.360 are going to leave the stage. 297 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:02.879 Like it was. 298 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:06.159 So it was so heated, and I mean, everybody was 299 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:11.039 nice afterwards, but like the debate itself was, it was intense, 300 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:14.440 it was aggressive. It was one of the most aggressive 301 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:20.000 debates I've been in, actually, so run down to the debate, basically, 302 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:26.559 the whole debate ended up being going into this, it's 303 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:29.320 sort of we started with why a Christian can't right, 304 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:31.960 which I gave a five minute opening statement, and I 305 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:34.480 think they both gave five minute opening statements about why 306 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:38.960 you could. I went to Masonic sources and pointed out 307 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:42.879 all the religious theological baggage that goes along with freemasonry, 308 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:47.320 and then the whole debate ended up being basically, since 309 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:51.399 freemasonry is not a religious organization, there's nothing that would 310 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:54.399 make it antithetical too a religion like Christianity. So then 311 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:57.799 it turned into a debate demonstrating over and over and 312 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:01.639 over that it is religious all kinds of theological baggage 313 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:06.519 and presuppositions and dogmas, and I think that they absolutely 314 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:09.759 lost one hundred percent. I mean there was multiple points 315 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:12.000 where the audience was laughing at them. 316 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:14.720 Yeah, dude, I'm really looking forward to it. 317 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:17.559 I don't know if this is kind of unrelated, but 318 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:19.640 you brought up Church of Christ and I was watching 319 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:22.359 a debate with Alex and some Church of Christ guy, 320 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:24.400 and I thought, Alex, did I see him in here? 321 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:25.759 So I thought he did a really good job. 322 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:27.880 But I want to ask you, j so, can you 323 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:32.200 explain to me like reception theory for when ecumenical council's infallible, 324 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:35.160 like how it has to be received by the Orthodox Church. 325 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:38.119 Well, I don't think reception theory is like the only thing. 326 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:41.000 I think that in the Orthodox mindset, there would be 327 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.799 several things that would indicate as sort of public identifiable 328 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:50.880 indicators of an ecumenical council or once the oucumene goes away, 329 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:52.839 what we would call a pan Orthodox syna. 330 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:55.759 So if you watch Ubi Petris's video, he does. 331 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:58.839 A video on what makes an ecumenical council ecumenical, and 332 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:02.799 he focuses on the canonical interpretation within the canons of 333 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:06.839 the councils themselves, how they identify the councils in terms 334 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:12.240 of authority and validity, and what that means for reception theory. 335 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:15.000 So beyond that, though, if you're asking the question at 336 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:19.960 the individual existential level, we would agree that the final 337 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:23.160 orbiter is the Holy Spirit leading the individual. So I'm 338 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:26.680 not being Protestant when I say that, because whether you're Protestant, 339 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.200 whether you're Catholic, or whether you're Orthodox, everybody in those 340 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.920 systems admits that the final orbiter is the Holy Spirit 341 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.319 leading the individual through the means such as the teachers, 342 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:42.079 the fathers, the councils, et cetera. So ultimately we're all 343 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:44.079 in the same boat and that it's the Holy Spirit 344 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:47.119 at the end of the day. However, where we disagree 345 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:50.400 is the means of identifying those councils, and for us, 346 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:53.559 the mind of the Orthodox Church is the ultimate determiner 347 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:55.960 over time of whether something. 348 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.119 Is received as Orthodox or not. 349 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:01.160 So for example, in the case the Council of Florence, 350 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:06.599 there were bishops and patriarchs present who we believe failed 351 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.759 to keep the Orthodox doctrine, and eventually throughout the Orthodox world, 352 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:15.839 Florence was not accepted, it was rejected. So likewise, say 353 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:20.279 Nicia Nicia happened, and eventually, after a century too, the 354 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:24.519 entire Orthodox world accepts the Council Nicea, the Palamite Synods, 355 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:28.880 they're a Byzantine series of synods that occur, and eventually 356 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:32.599 the entire Orthodox world accepts them. So when we say 357 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:34.839 reception theory, I think there's a lot of angles and 358 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:38.559 components to it. There's not a simple, one size fits 359 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:41.200 all answer, except that you could point to things like 360 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:45.599 the canons. For example, the beginning of the councils will 361 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:50.440 say something like we following the previous ecumenical synods, identify 362 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:53.039 the markers of those synods as in line with this one, 363 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:57.640 and we intend to continue the previous ecumenical council. So 364 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:02.480 there's canonical indicators there, there's a time period where it 365 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:05.319 proliferates throughout the world and it's either accepted or rejected. 366 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:10.599 There are other indicators too, like, uh, you know how 367 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:14.960 many patriarchis are present? Numbers do matter, It's not the 368 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.559 ultimate determiner. But how big was it? You know, obviously 369 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:19.759 if you had more people there, it's more significant than 370 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:21.880 if it was a small council. But even a small 371 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:24.920 council could conceivably still be correct. So all of those 372 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:27.559 things play into it. And unfortunately there's not as simple 373 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:32.839 answer as to what makes an ecumenical council true versus false. 374 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.880 But reception theory, by the way, as Ubi points out, 375 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:39.039 and as I pointed out as a Roman Catholic myself 376 00:20:39.079 --> 00:20:41.599 when I'm when I was Roman Catholic, like reception theory 377 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:44.079 is part of Roman Roman Roman Catholic theology too. Like 378 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:49.759 the there's there's an element, there's an element of whether 379 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:55.079 the world accepts the cardinal's choice for the papacy as well. 380 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:59.480 But we believe an ecumenical council is a valves in 381 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:01.920 these samples that you just gave, Like I'm not. 382 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:04.319 Trying to No, you don't that's not true, that's not true. 383 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:09.359 We believe it's a priority ecumenical or it's. 384 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.440 That's not true. That doesn't tell that doesn't tell you. Well, 385 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:13.680 if that was the case, then latter in six forty 386 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:16.960 nine would be ecumenical and constantin Nople one would have 387 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:20.119 been ecumenical, but it wasn't accepted by Rome until centuries later. 388 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:22.079 Because it was out of communion with Leo. 389 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:27.599 So then it's not at its closing ecumenical by your 390 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:30.880 own argument, because your own church accepted it two centuries later. 391 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:33.039 Ecumenical it has to be the bishops of the world 392 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:34.680 teaching communion with the Roman pontive. 393 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:38.000 Well that's your position, but uh, then why isn't latter 394 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:39.319 in six forty nine acumenical? 395 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:42.680 Well hold on, I just like, are you so. 396 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:44.319 You're just gonna blow past not gonna answer that. Oh 397 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:46.039 you're gonna blow pass that and not answer that. 398 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:49.640 Well, you just blew past my point about Constantinople. 399 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:50.839 You just said you believe that. 400 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:54.160 You didn't address No, no, no, I'm saying that you believe 401 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:59.000