WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:09.839 Gregory Wrightstone, and he is a very experienced person in 2 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:13.599 terms of science, actual science, talking about climate change. He 3 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:15.720 is a geologist with more than thirty five years of 4 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:20.199 experience researching and studying various aspects of the Earth's processes. 5 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:24.320 He was recently accepted as an expert reviewer for the 6 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:28.359 un IPCC, the Inner Governmental Panel on Climate Change. And 7 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:30.679 I'll have to ask him about that. Maybe he is 8 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:33.079 somebody kind of like Scott Atlas on the COVID team 9 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:38.640 loan dissenter. But his science and fact based approach exposes 10 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:42.320 many of the alarmist myths concerning our changing climate. Gregory 11 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:45.960 is a strong proponent of the scientific process and believes 12 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:49.880 that policy decisions should be driven by science, by facts, 13 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:53.679 by data, not by a political agenda. The book that 14 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:58.079 he has published is A very Convenient Warming, How Modest 15 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:02.679 Warming and more co two are benefiting humanity. Great to 16 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:05.000 have you on. Thank you for joining us, Gregory Wrightstone. 17 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:09.359 Thank you so much, David, actually for the new book. 18 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:12.680 My birthday was last week and I woke up on 19 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:15.200 the well my birthday, went to the computer and loan 20 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:18.719 and behold that A very convenient Warming. My newest book 21 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:21.760 was at number one best seller on Amazon and what 22 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.480 a birthday gift. I couldn't have asked for anything better. 23 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:28.560 And so, yeah, my first book was a regular there. 24 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:32.560 So we're trying to get the word out. I'm also 25 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:35.959 executive director of the CO two Coalition, which is the 26 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:42.719 pre eminent scientific organization of skeptical scientists. We have physicists, 27 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:46.760 I'm a geologist, energy experts and the like, and they 28 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:49.920 all believe as I do, is that CO two is 29 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:55.640 beneficial by a lot. He's usually beneficial, and there is 30 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:59.959 no climate crisis and we should celebrate how earthse ecosystems 31 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:01.319 are thriving and prospering. 32 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:04.680 Well, I agree one hundred percent with that, and yeah, 33 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:09.000 this stuff about carbon sequestration is just the most astounding 34 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:11.919 thing I have ever seen. But again, that website is 35 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:15.400 CO two Coalition dot org, and we'll talk a little 36 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:17.680 bit more about that as well. But what we're seeing 37 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:19.560 in the news, and you've experienced a little bit of 38 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:23.520 this as well. They have all seized upon these hurricanes 39 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:26.280 as climate change. Tell us a little bit about what 40 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:28.319 you've been going through there in Florida. 41 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.400 You're in Florida, Well, well, I've been pointing out I 42 00:02:31.479 --> 00:02:35.960 use science facts and data data to support my stances 43 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.159 and my narrative, and it flies in the face of 44 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:42.159 most of all you're hearing on the media, mainstream media 45 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:47.520 and in hurricanes. I've been tested. My beliefs that climate 46 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:50.199 changes and driving hurricanes have been tested in the last 47 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.120 two weeks, but I still came through and I'm looking, 48 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:57.759 I'm relying on my scientific work to dispute a man 49 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:01.599 made driven climate crisis. My home is an Apollo Beach 50 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:05.159 about twelve miles south of Tampa. And if you recall 51 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:08.319 a day and a half or two days before landfall, 52 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.680 he was at a Cat five and man, my home 53 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:13.680 was right and acrosshairs and we looked even some of 54 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:16.879 the seasoned old salts in the area. They looked at 55 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:19.000 it and they said, man, we're bailing out. We've never 56 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:22.719 left before. It looked bad and because it was going 57 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:26.240 to hit it. But our experts in the two Coalition 58 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:28.120 were saying, no, no, no, no, no, it's going to 59 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:32.039 land as a category two, maybe category three. This is 60 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:34.680 what's going to happen. And they also predicted that there 61 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:37.560 would be no instead of a storm surge at Tampa. 62 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:41.360 They told me, no, we saw it at end and 63 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:43.919 when the end struck, this will be about to be similar. 64 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.840 There will actually be a negative surge. In other words, 65 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.360 it would suck water out of the band. That's exactly 66 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:53.360 what they found. So it made we bailed out. We've 67 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:57.199 been hit the week before by Helene. We escaped any flooding, 68 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.719 but the area around us was hit pretty hard. A 69 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:05.000 bookkeeper's home was was devastated. We actually did a GoFundMe 70 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:09.039 campaign for her and raised thirty three thousand dollars in 71 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:11.599 two days. And what a blessing that was to her, 72 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.360 She says, in my darkest time of my life, you 73 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:17.680 guys came through and I may just you know, you're 74 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:22.120 you're being You're brightening and making this so much more bearable. 75 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:25.199 So we can do one We we can't help everybody, 76 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:28.839 but we helped her. But we made what seemed to 77 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:33.199 be a reasonable decision instead of fleeing north, but to 78 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:37.319 go southeast to the other side of the state. And 79 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:41.199 we went to Vero Beach condo of a friend. And 80 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:44.879 if you may recall that, we couldn't have chosen a 81 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:48.279 worse place to evacuate too in the United States or 82 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:52.120 probably the world. It was this huge super storm cell 83 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:56.839 at about four pm came through our area. It was giant, 84 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:01.120 it was gnarly, and it was it was scary. And 85 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:05.240 the tornadoes hit. And the tornado near us went right 86 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:07.800 up along Highway A one A. If you're a Jimmy 87 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:11.199 Buffett fan, you know Highway A one A, and it's 88 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:14.319 right up by two miles wath of that. It actually 89 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:17.879 hit the condo that was next to the part of 90 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:21.279 our building was next to us, and it was I 91 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.920 was doing a live video interview with another host at 92 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:29.959 the time, and there's like alarms going off, lightning lights 93 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.720 are flashing. He said, this is great. I mean, you'll 94 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:36.199 never have another interview like that, you know, with his 95 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.040 with his guest in the middle of being hit by 96 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.720 a tornado in a hurricane. But bear in mind those 97 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:45.439 that tornado hit at four point thirty. The landfall didn't 98 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:49.319 occur until eight thirty, four hours later, so this preceded that. Yeah, 99 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:54.240 but again I took a look at the our newsletter 100 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:57.360 for the CO two Coalition. Go to CO two Coalition 101 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:00.439 dot org to subscribe. You'll love it. I give some 102 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.879 more detail. We're having a newsletter go out today about 103 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:07.920 my experience. We also have information I took a look 104 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:13.560 at landfalling hurricanes, and that's the best measure if you 105 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:18.160 want to look at long term hurricane information. Landfalling hurricanes 106 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.000 for the United States are the best because we can 107 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.560 take that confidently. We know every single hurricane that's made 108 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:26.800 landfall in the United States going back to at least 109 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:29.680 eighteen fifty and that's because they're so big you can't 110 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:35.040 miss it. And right we know it's made landfall, it's 111 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:38.560 been recorded. And so if we look at landfalling hurricanes, 112 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:41.759 we find in the United States there have been in decline. 113 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.519 I looked at Florida land falling hurricanes and they've also 114 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:48.279 been in decline. So that's a pretty good metric. And 115 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:52.959 the other thing they're saying is that hurricane intensity is increasing. 116 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:56.199 That's not borne out by the evidence. If you look 117 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:00.920 at the globally accumulated cyclone energy that Ryan Malley and 118 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:06.279 the NOAH do, that's basically an estimate of the intensity 119 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:10.759 of the hurricanes, which translates to windspeed, and it's been 120 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:14.000 pretty flat. He could probably argue there's been a slight decline, 121 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:17.079 but there's definitely been not a significant trend either up 122 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:22.800 or down, and in fact, Christopher land Sea. And what 123 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:26.399 a great name for he's a Noah hurricane expert. 124 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:26.920 Or at least he used. 125 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.800 What a great name for a hurricane expert. Christopher land 126 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:34.120 Sea is almost as good as a geologist with the 127 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:40.600 last name of wright Stone, isn't it Christopher Lansy. One 128 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:45.560 of his last he left he told the truth about hurricanes. 129 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:50.480 His last analysis said, well, you know, maybe hurricane intensity 130 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:55.000 is increasing by maybe one percent. Okay, let me ask you, David, 131 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:58.319 if you were standing on C S to key, could 132 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:02.160 you tell the difference between one two and one hundred 133 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:05.879 and three miles per hour? I think so, and that's 134 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:06.600 what so. 135 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:07.040 Give the minute. 136 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:10.560 Okay, let's say he's right, you can't. It's it's so 137 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:12.279 little that it's meaningless. 138 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:14.920 And can they measure that? You know? I mean it is. 139 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:18.720 But you see this panic everywhere in the in the UK, 140 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:22.639 the Express, that's what person says, Well, maybe I slipped 141 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.879 through this, but the headlines storm tracker map shows a 142 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:28.480 path of Hurricane Kirk with a monster seventy five mile 143 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:31.279 an hour gales to batter Britain and it is just 144 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:36.720 filled with over the top bombastic alarmism. It's horrific. The 145 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:38.879 UK is bracing for. This is going to be brutal, 146 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:43.840 a shocking weather forecast sweeping in with widespread destruction, just panic, panic, 147 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.519 panic everywhere. And he says, well, it didn't even notice 148 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:49.200 that if it came, you know, so, and that's what 149 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:50.799 we're seeing. We're seeing that kind of hype and they 150 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:52.879 don't really as you point out a one percent difference, 151 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:54.799 can they even measure that, as you said, you can't 152 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:57.840 feel it. Can they really accurately measure that and record it, 153 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:01.440 comparing it to the of measurements that they had a 154 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:04.519 century ago? Did they were they accurate? Even if they're 155 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:08.320 accurate today, So we don't know that, right, Yeah. 156 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:12.919 And it's all about creating a climate of fear. They 157 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:15.559 have to create two words I want to use here, 158 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:21.480 fear and control. They need to establish a climate of fear. 159 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:26.960 They need you and your viewers to say, oh, oh no, 160 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:31.919 it's a climate catastrophe and it's our fault. Millions will die, 161 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:35.440 there's a climate crisis, will have crop failure, pestilence and 162 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:41.399 nasty population because of man made global warming. So they 163 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:45.360 have to establish this climate of fear because they're object 164 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:49.399 is really what their proposals are is to control every 165 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:52.759 aspect of your life. They want to control how much 166 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:55.559 water comes out of your shower, what kind of car 167 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:59.279 you drive, how you heat your home, how cool you 168 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.600 keep it in the summer, and how hot you warm 169 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:03.960 it in the winter. That we could go on and 170 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:05.320 on on what you eat. 171 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.720 You know, I mean all that. I mean they're shutting 172 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:10.039 down farms now, the EPA is going to start shutting 173 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:12.240 down farms with us. It is absolutely amazing, and we 174 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:14.679 understand that it's that's what the real purpose of all 175 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:16.600 this stuff is. And they have a lot of different 176 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:19.320 things that they throw out there, always with the same 177 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:21.919 thing in mind. That's why I refer to it as mcguffin. 178 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:25.279 It doesn't really matter what the thing is, but it's 179 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:27.600 about creating the fear so that you can bring in 180 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:31.000 these controls. And it's always the same controls I want 181 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:31.440 to bring. 182 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:34.600 In those same people. Aren't they so proud that we 183 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:39.480 support choice? I support choice? Well, no, they don't. Now 184 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:42.240 I would like to choose what kind of car to drive, 185 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:45.840 I would like to choose what kind of dishwasher to buy. 186 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.240 I'd like to choose all those things, and they don't 187 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:51.960 want to give you that choice do they It's fear 188 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.840 and control, fear and they want you Why else would 189 00:10:55.879 --> 00:11:03.080 we voluntarily give up our freedoms only if there truly 190 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:07.360 is an existential threat to humanity, and it's just not there. 191 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:10.679 And what we see, David, this new book. My first 192 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:14.240 book was Inconvenient Facts. It's now sold almost one hundred 193 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:19.679 thousand copies. It's in that book we established pretty clearly 194 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.039 that there is no climate crisis. We've gone a step 195 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:25.720 further in this new book and with the CO two coalition, 196 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:29.039 is not only is there not a climate crisis, but 197 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.120 by almost every metric we look at Earth, pschosystems are 198 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:39.519 thriving and prospering, and humanity is benefiting from that probably 199 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:43.279 And you have a Christian show here, and this really 200 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:46.279 goes back to the heart of you know, if we 201 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:49.039 were going to have killed PEP hundreds of millions of people, 202 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:52.000 we should do something about it. But just the opposite 203 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:56.360 is occurring. We're seeing a huge benefits to humanity and 204 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:02.799 their solutions, particularly in the developing world, the Asia and Africa. 205 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:06.159 They want to they don't want to lift these people 206 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:10.720 out of poverty by using affordable, abundant, reliable energy that 207 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:13.480 can be dry from natural gas and coal. They want 208 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:17.240 to keep them with their someb down and let them, 209 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:18.799 don't let them prosper. 210 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:20.720 And that's what they want to do to us as well. 211 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.039 You've now got the e p A is focused now 212 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:25.159 on shutting down power plants. And of course they've been 213 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.399 shutting them down for a while now because oh, well, 214 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:30.200 can't have coal or whatever. But the EPA has come 215 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.559 after them now with a vengeance with their emissions and 216 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.159 so forth, and so as they shut down the grid. 217 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:36.799 Uh. 218 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:38.879 And they need more power for the AI. So they're 219 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:41.480 going to put these small nuclear reactors out there, but 220 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.799 it's only going to be power for them. They're going 221 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:47.639 to shut down affordable reliable energy for us. And uh. 222 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:49.879 And that that really is the concern, and that really 223 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.960 is the agenda. I think that is control and impoverish 224 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:55.399 and austerity. 225 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:55.879 Uh. 226 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:57.919 That really is the way that they can control us 227 00:12:57.960 --> 00:12:58.720 as through poverty. 228 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:03.000 It is. And you had two of the three words 229 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:07.480 I use for electricity. What we should look for, it's affordable, reliable, 230 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:10.279 and abundant. In other words, we can get a we 231 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:12.360 get a big bang for our buck. And that's what 232 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:17.440 we get with nuclear as well with nuclear cold natural gas. 233 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:21.679 And again, since we are not going into a climate 234 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:24.320 crisis that is driven by CO two, but rather CO 235 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:27.279 two is beneficial, there's no way we should be trying 236 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:32.639 to do carbon capture or take the carbon mitigation strategies. 237 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:35.240 We're actually be hurting ourselves. And the other thing that's 238 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:39.200 really interesting, it's one of my pet it's the section 239 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.000 of the book is one of my favorite things to 240 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:46.120 talk about, is a strong relationship between human history and 241 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.799 climate history. To find that it's completely opposite of what 242 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:55.000 we're being told. We're being told, oh, we can't, we 243 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:58.159 must fear the heat, the heat will cause terrible things. Well, 244 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.000 look back over the last several thousand years to see 245 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:04.320 what happened, to find that we are in a warming trend, 246 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:06.840 but it's been warming for more than three hundred years. 247 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:10.600 There were three other warming trends similar to what we're 248 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:13.519 in right now, but all three were hotter, ended up 249 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:17.200 warmer than what we are today, and all three were 250 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:21.000 hugely beneficial and improvements we saw to the human condition. 251 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:24.559 During each one of those warm periods, life was good, 252 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.840 food was bountiful, The great empires, the civilizations rose up. 253 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:32.080 The first of those was the Bronze Age. It was 254 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:36.120 called the Minoan Warm period. The first great civilizations rose up, 255 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:41.600 the Assyrians, the Hittits, the Babylonians, the Harapan Empire in 256 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:44.480 the Indus River Valley. All those great civilizations around the 257 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:47.360 world rose up during a really, really warm time and 258 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:51.279 then it started getting cold, and really bad things happened. 259 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:53.879 And each one of the times when it started getting cold, 260 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:59.120 and we see these cold periods are associated with famine, 261 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:04.559 crop failure, pestilence, and masty population. And so it was 262 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:06.480 that led to the Greek Dark Age is and it 263 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:08.960 really didn't get good until we got into the Roman 264 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:13.480 Warm period, the time of Christ. At that time, again, 265 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.279 food was bountiful, life was good. North Africa was the 266 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.879 bread basket. You may not be aware of the Roman army. 267 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.559 It's not much of a bread basket today. So it 268 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:26.399 then when it started getting cold again. There were a 269 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:30.480 lot of reasons for the Roman Empire's fall. Cold was 270 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.759 probably a contributing factor, and that led to what was 271 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.120 called the Dark Ages. And then the Medieval warm period 272 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:42.720 was again life was good, empires arose, food was bountiful, 273 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:47.000 and then that led to the recent cooling period called 274 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.279 the Little Ice Age. It was probably the coldest time 275 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:53.039 of the last ten thousand years, and it was again 276 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.039 maybe fifty percent of Iceland perish during that time. One 277 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:01.480 third of the population of the Earth perish during that time, 278 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:05.440 and particularly northern Europe. We have a lot of great 279 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:10.360 records of just how terrible it was, recalled Valley Forge 280 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:14.360 and George Washington. It was very cold. For example, not 281 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:17.360 far from where I am right now is Mount Vernon 282 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:22.080 and George when they lived there during this little ice age, 283 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:25.879 that was really cool cold. Martha liked to enjoy ice 284 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:29.759 center drinks in the summer, so George built an ice house. 285 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.279 They dug in and he would have his indentured service 286 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:36.360 and slaves got down in the winter, and it froze very, 287 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:40.799 very thick ice every year. It doesn't do that, I mean, 288 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:42.799 I think in the eighties there was one winter where 289 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:46.000 it did that. So we can use historical data like that. 290 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:50.440 People understand that and they'll go, oh, yeah, if the 291 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:56.000 Potomac River was freezing solid, nearly solid every winter and 292 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:59.240 it only happens once every thirty years, now, well, it 293 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:01.759 had been a lot colder then, And we can use 294 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:04.880 that same historical data to show how warm it was 295 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:10.200 during the Medieval warm time period, the Roman warming period, 296 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:11.680 and so much warm. 297 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:12.200 But again. 298 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:16.839 History tell They would call me a science denier, but 299 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:21.480 I would call them history deniers because they're denying history 300 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.279 shows conclusively that warm is much much better than cold. 301 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:29.079 We should welcome you once and fear the cold. 302 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.839 And of course cycles through there, and especially if you've 303 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:34.240 got a Roman toga that those drafts can get really bad, 304 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:34.519 you know. 305 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:38.759 The ones that they were togas. There's a reason they 306 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:39.400 go togas. 307 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:44.720 Yeah, Washington caught a cold riding around and that was well. 308 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:45.920 I don't know if that was what killed him. It 309 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.039 might have been the bleeding in the mercury that they 310 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:52.400 gave him. But that brought it all on. Talk a 311 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:55.759 little bit about what happens, you know, because part of 312 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:59.319 what we're seeing now is we've had situations back in 313 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:01.279 the middle of the teen Unders. I forget the exact 314 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:04.119 date when Krakatoa happened. They had a little mini ice 315 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.880 age at that point in time as well, because there 316 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.640 was a lot of debris that was sent up by 317 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:14.680 the volcano on land. Some people have talked about and 318 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:17.319 I forget where it was in the South Pacific that 319 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:21.960 was recently, like last year or two years ago something. Yeah, 320 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:27.920 that's it. The water volcano and that puts up water 321 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:30.440 vapor that has a warming effect. If it's a land 322 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.640 volcano that has a cooling effect. We have so many 323 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:38.720 natural processes that have amazing and direct influence. You know, 324 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:42.599 we're talking about solar activity or we're talking about volcanic activity. 325 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.079 Talk a little bit about that. It's not all man made. 326 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:46.279 What's happening right. 327 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:49.519 Well, the increase in CO two is man made for 328 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:53.279 the most part. The vast majority is from US using 329 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.519 fossil fuels. But I'm okay with that. I'm okay with 330 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:58.680 a large carbon fliprint because what we're saying is CO 331 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:03.200 two is beneficial. We have a paper that I'm finalizing 332 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.559 right now. It's actually a lengthy ninety two page summary, 333 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.960 but it's highly detailed science and we'll use seven different 334 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:15.519 lines of evidence to verify and conclude that the increase 335 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:19.720 in CO two of fifty percent since the Industrial Revolution 336 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:23.599 is from man. There are some people out there saying 337 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.799 it's not, but we're emitting huge amounts of CO two 338 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.319 into the atmosphere. If you do that, it's got to 339 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:35.160 increase atmosphereic CO two and so you know we have that, 340 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:39.799 and I started rambling on I forgot the question, the 341 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:41.200 original question you asked for. 342 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:44.680 Well, I was talking about natural processes in terms of, 343 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.200 you know, changing the climate and that type of thing. 344 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:50.920 They're also there's some false things out there that are 345 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:55.000 being spread. One is that volcanoes provide huge amounts of 346 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:58.640 CO two. And there's one report to Mount Pinatubo when 347 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:01.920 it when rup did it put out more CO two 348 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:05.160 and during the eruption than was Man's every emitted. And 349 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:08.680 that's just categorically false because we know how much CO 350 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:11.480 two was emitted by Man that year I think it 351 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:14.160 was nineteen ninety one. We also know closely how much 352 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:16.839 CO two was put out by Pinatubo, and it turns 353 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:23.880 out that that eruption put out two tenths of the 354 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:28.160 percent of the CO two emitted that year of Man two. 355 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:31.079 So it's a small contribution that gets a lot of play. 356 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:35.440 They try and downplay our contribution to Cooto. 357 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:39.279 Well, what I was talking about was the ejection of 358 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:43.559 material in the upper atmosphere, which would be a cooling. 359 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:45.519 A lot A lot of people think that the volcano 360 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.880 there are two types of volcanoes. One's explosive, think Mount 361 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:54.119 Saint Helen's Pinatubo. The other type is called effusive volcanoes, 362 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:57.160 which just kind of flows out, think of Killaway. We 363 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:00.200 see that a lot some of the volcano of the 364 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:04.720 eruptions at Iceland, these are big, huge lava flows, and 365 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:06.920 those tend to put out more CO two than the 366 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:10.359 explosive volcanoes. And some of these there were a couple two. 367 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:15.480 There were two huge lava flows that were effusive. One 368 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.640 was called the Deccan Traps, the other was the Siberian Traps. 369 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:23.759 These these volcanoes flowed for millions of years, and we're 370 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:27.640 emitting CO two for millions of years and probably contribute 371 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:31.119 a fair amount of CO two to the atmosphere. These 372 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:35.119 explosive volcanoes do not. And it's where then, also the 373 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:39.000 explosive volcanoes, it's not the solids. You think, well, it's 374 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:41.359 going to block out the sun. It does for the 375 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:46.240 fuse that falls out pretty quickly, the sulfates, the aerosols, 376 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:49.000 and the sulfates to get up into the stratosphere that 377 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:53.200 last for three four five years. That has a cooling 378 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:56.880 effect because what they're doing is the Sun's reflecting off 379 00:21:56.920 --> 00:21:59.799 of those, so it doesn't get to strike the earth 380 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:01.119 that warming effect. 381 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:04.359 And then we talked about the undersea volcano, the one 382 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:06.400 that you mentioned again, I can't remember that the Congress 383 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:11.279 from the tongue. Yeah, okay, well that one. You know 384 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:15.759 another greenhouse gas, of course, the big one is water vapor, 385 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:19.079 and if that increases the water vapor by significant percentages 386 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:22.000 in that one, that's going to also affect things. My 387 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:25.319 point is that you know when you have solar activity, 388 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:29.480 when you have something that is going to massively increase 389 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:34.079 greenhouse gases like water vapor. You know, there's so many 390 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:37.160 things that are natural out there, but they want to 391 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:41.079 make it as everything is about man made. Right. Do 392 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:42.640 you agree with that or you disagree with that? 393 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:42.839 Oh? 394 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:46.799 Yeah, let's let's be clear. Since CO two CO two 395 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:49.839 is a greenhouse gas, CO two is increasing, so it 396 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:53.680 has more. CO two has a contribution, has a warming 397 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:57.640 effect on the ass atmosphere. It's just very small, very modest, 398 00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:02.799 and overwhelmed by those natural forses. So don't be a denier. Yes, 399 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:06.759 CO two has a warming effect, thankfully, but again it's 400 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:09.519 it's overwhelmed by these natural forces. And we see through 401 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:15.160 time that CO two increases and decreases do not control temperature. 402 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.599 Just going back through Earth's history to the dawn of time, 403 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:21.960 we don't see correlation there, and so we have to 404 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:24.319 we have to look at the science, effects and the data, 405 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:27.880 put it in a long perspective to figure that out. 406 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:32.480 And you know you're the book. Your book title hearkens 407 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:37.119 back to al Gore's documentary An Inconvenient Truth. Your book 408 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:42.880 is a very convenient warming and as part of his 409 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:45.880 documentary I guess we could laughingly refer to it as 410 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:49.160 but as part of his film, let's they say it 411 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:51.920 played a very big role. I remember that he had 412 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:55.440 the projections of what was going to happen to temperature 413 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.480 driven and following exactly CO two, As you point out, 414 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:02.920 CO two is going up and down. But that direct 415 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:05.839 correlation that was there the hockey stick from Michael Man, 416 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:08.319 as everybody talks about it. You had that blown up 417 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:11.200 into something that was about thirty feet tall and he 418 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:15.000 gets on an elevated platform to go up to exaggerate that, 419 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:22.000 and that really has Michael Mann's correlation there of his 420 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.880 hockey stick thing really hasn't played out, has it. 421 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:29.599 Let's talk about al Gore, he used eight thousand or 422 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:32.839 four hundred thousand years of CO two versus temperature. Well, 423 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:36.079 there is a really good correlation over the last several 424 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:41.960 hundred thousand years. But it's not CO two driving temperature. 425 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:46.279 It's temperature driving CO two changes. And because that's because 426 00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:50.359 the oceans are the great sink and source for CO two. 427 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:57.119 A cold ocean absorbs more CO two, a warm ocean expels. 428 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.480 Just think about it's kind of contrary to to what 429 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:02.920 you might say. If you take a leader jar of 430 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:05.559 ginger ale and take it out of the refrigerator and 431 00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:08.319 open it up, it just goes. But take that leader 432 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:10.559 jar of ginger ale and put it out on your 433 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:13.079 picnic table and your patio on the sun in August. 434 00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:15.039 But it's sit there for an hour and then go 435 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:16.920 open it up, and man, it will be like a 436 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:19.880 volcano with that CO two that's in the ginger ale 437 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:24.079 that's being expelled because it's warm. And that's what we see. 438 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:29.359 Warming oceans expel CO two, and so it warms first 439 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:32.960 and then CO two increases, and it's delayed by hundreds 440 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:36.599 of years. But if you can press it all, which 441 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:41.319 al Gore did, his interpretation was just backwards of what 442 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:44.160 it should have been. It's not CO two driving temperature, 443 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:46.039 it's temperature driving CO two. 444 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.200 That's interesting. Yeah, I was involved with a group that 445 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:52.480 tried to get the data from Michael Man. He fought 446 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:55.240 like a bensheet and was able to win in court 447 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:58.160 and not show the data, which had already his conclusions 448 00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:00.079 that I had been published. He'd collected it. He'd on 449 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.599 the science at the University of Virginia, so he did 450 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.680 it on the public dime, and he'd published his conclusions 451 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.640 and they'd been used to create public policy. And yet 452 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:12.799 we could not pry that data from him. And you 453 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:17.519 have to wonder why he got it, if it was real. 454 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:21.200 Why he's he's a piece of work. He's a nasty, 455 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:24.000 footish person and he's very like jigeous. 456 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:26.039 Yes, we had to be careful what we sayd about 457 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:27.720 Michael Man, because we know what we do. 458 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.160 I was quoting someone else there when I just called him, 459 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:34.480 asked him that was a quote, uh, we know from 460 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:40.440 Mike mark Stein was the best quo. He lost in 461 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.640 court to Michael Mann got one million dollar judgment against him. 462 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:47.400 But mark Stein said that the hockey stick is a 463 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:52.400 reconstruction of temperature using proxies with two problems, the proxies 464 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:55.319 and the reconstruction. He said, other than that, you can 465 00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.720 take it to the bank, and that was that's a clent. 466 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:01.359 So what he did, he was just proxies are things 467 00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:07.319 we used for temperature reconstruction or CO two reconstruction through 468 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.400 back before historical records. And Michael Man used some really 469 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:18.119 really horrifically bad proxies to reconstruct temperature. And like you say, 470 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:22.720 he's according to him, we had a slowly declining temperature 471 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.000 up until about the twentieth century and then man, it 472 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:29.359 just took off the temperatures the skyrocketed. And he again 473 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:34.920 he based that in his reconstructional on just bad, bad, 474 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.640 bad proxies, particularly tree ring data in the southwest of 475 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:39.400 the United States. 476 00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:42.640 To make it sense, he was a pick. You're starting 477 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:45.720 ending points carefully there, doesn't you. But he was also 478 00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:48.640 involved in climate gate, and that's one of the reasons 479 00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:50.599 why he was a focus of the group that I 480 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:54.480 was working with, because you know, he was even though 481 00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:56.119 that was kind of focused in the UK at East 482 00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.839 England University, he was involved back and forth with emails. 483 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:01.559 They were talking about we're going to hide the decline 484 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.359 based on our models. And that's the other thing about this. 485 00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:08.000 How did these people get a pass for making all 486 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.640 these predictions. You were talking earlier about the scientists that 487 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:15.200 were affiliated with the CO two Coalition dot org and 488 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:17.680 how they were pretty accurate in terms of what they 489 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:21.559 thought would happen with the hurricane, even the sense that 490 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:24.160 the storm surge is going to be negative because it 491 00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.599 was going to you know, land somewhere else, and so, 492 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.240 you know, we have those types of things and if 493 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:31.559 somebody can make a prediction and it comes true, but 494 00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:34.720 we have these grand predictions that are kind of like 495 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:36.559 trying to predict the weather fifty years in advance, and 496 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:40.799 they're hysterically wrong. You know, whatever they're predicting, where they're 497 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.079 talking about the Great Barrier reef disappearing, whatever it is. 498 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:48.200 They keep making these predictions, and yet they never seem 499 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.319 to be held accountable for making these false predictions with 500 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:52.359 their models. 501 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.160 Actually, go back to May of this year and see 502 00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:00.720 what no was predicting for this year's hurricane season. They 503 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.960 were predicting one of the highest number of storms ever 504 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:11.160 in record. Well, No, it's it feels, particularly particularly for 505 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.039 me and my wife that it's been a bad hurricane season, 506 00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:18.079 but were actually under the average for the hurricanes, and 507 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.599 it will probably we may get to the very low 508 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.480 end of what Noah predicted. But no one, they're never 509 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.559 called on the carpet, yes, right for that, and it's. 510 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.440 Yeah, the Santa's made that case to a journalist and 511 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:32.160 you know, and I had talked about that. I said, 512 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.839 you know, when you look at the hurricanes that hit Tampa, 513 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:36.839 there was one in eighteen forty eight took exactly the 514 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:40.200 path that they were predicting, but you know which this 515 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.599 one did not take that path, but that was they 516 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:44.640 had one that had actually taken that path in eighteen 517 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:47.720 forty eight. And then in North Carolina in Ashville in 518 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.440 nineteen twenty one, they also had a hurricane that went 519 00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:53.119 up there and caused just about the kind of same 520 00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:57.559 level of destruction in terms of water accumulation of that 521 00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.720 type of thing. Hesitate to use the word flood because 522 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.000 if you a flood, the insurance companies won't pay them anything. 523 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.799 So we have to come up with some other name 524 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:06.880 for what happened is rain, and so it had that 525 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:09.000 kind of rain. But you know, we've seen this type 526 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.920 of stuff, so it's not unprecedented. And you know these 527 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:16.559 were situations that happened. There wasn't really any man made 528 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.839 industry that was that was doing that one hundred years ago, 529 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.039 one hundred and fifty years ago. So you know that 530 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:27.599 that is the background. But no matter what they say, 531 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:30.319 they're never held accountable to it, and no matter how 532 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.240 dire and faults their predictions are, it just keeps going. 533 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.079 It must be an interesting thing to work with the 534 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:39.359 U n IPCC because of that. That's a lot got 535 00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:40.559 about that. Well. 536 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.839 I actually got in on that at the very end 537 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:45.519 and there was very little I could contribute or do 538 00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:51.319 at that time, so and I was I signed up, 539 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.319 was accepted, and then I joined the CO two Coalition 540 00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.559 as executive director, and I have been just there was 541 00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.640 just you had to set your priorities and this is 542 00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:05.200 leading this group of eminent scientists. We just had John 543 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:08.839 Klauser join us on our board. He's the twenty twenty 544 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:12.400 two Nobel Laargate, the physic We've got Patrick Moore on 545 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.759 our board who's the co founder of Greenpeace and if 546 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:20.839 he's wonderful, and doctor William Happer, Emeritis, Professor of Physics 547 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:25.960 from Princeton and he's the He was the inventor of 548 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:32.279 the Soviet Soviets sodium guide star laser developed during the 549 00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:36.680 Star Wars under Reagan and if you if you remember 550 00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:41.240 SDI star Wars was they were trying to shoot down 551 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.119 incoming missiles from the Soviet Union and intercept them in 552 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:47.599 space using lasers, but they couldn't figure out how to 553 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.640 do it because they just it was it was Will Happer, 554 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:56.279 our chairman, that invented this ability to keep laser's focused 555 00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.599 through the atmosphere. And now his invention as you at 556 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:06.039 every observatory around the world to get crystal clear nighttime images. 557 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.160 If you ever see an observatory with a yellow beam 558 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.640 going up from it, that's his sodium guide star laser 559 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.119 that are used to keep to figure out what's going 560 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.200 on in the atmosphere so they get crystal clear photographs. 561 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.119 So these are the type of scientists that we have. 562 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:28.039 They're incredible. Yes, it's great, and we stick to the science. 563 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.279 Yeah, and it's essential because if they're going to keep 564 00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:34.319 us afraid of the unknown, and if they're going to say, 565 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.039 as we saw throughout all this COVID stuff, I'm the expert, 566 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:39.240 and science is what I say it is you know, 567 00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:42.160 that is the antithesis of science. That's what as I 568 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:42.839 say often. 569 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:46.440 Well, they promote, they promote consensus science. That's the big thing. 570 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:51.839 And it's as Michael Clayton famously said, if it's science, 571 00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:55.359 it's not consensus. If it's consensus, it's not science. And 572 00:32:55.480 --> 00:33:00.000 Richard Fiman, the great physicist, my favorite quote about consensus. 573 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:03.440 He says, I would rather have questions that can't be 574 00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:07.960 answered than answers that can't be questioned. And that's what 575 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.519 we have today in climate syms. We have an ant 576 00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:12.039 and they tell us what the answer is, and you 577 00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.519 dare not question it. You must not, you must and 578 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:19.119 they need to silence me and my colleagues at the 579 00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:20.240 CO two coalition. 580 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.680 Yes, we've seen that first with climate, and then we 581 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:26.960 saw it with the COVID stuff and with medications, and 582 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:31.200 now it's everything, you know, anything, they will tell you 583 00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:35.480 what is true and you cannot question that. And so 584 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:37.599 that's the attack that we see on free speech. That's 585 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.240 happening everywhere, but it's now flowing out everywhere. But it 586 00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:41.480 began with the climate stuff. 587 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.960 And let me just if we have time here, just 588 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.680 delving just one of the things one of the proudest things. 589 00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:53.200 We're doing scientific papers and we do the technical material, 590 00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:56.519 but we also had our members were concerned about the 591 00:33:56.559 --> 00:34:00.279 state of science education in America, and we decide to 592 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.880 do something about and put a committee of mostly PhDs together, 593 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.360 and what they've done is incredible. I ended up hiring 594 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:13.280 a full time artist, talented artist Chicago Hellinger Di Silva 595 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:17.199 down in Brazil, and he does We're creating books, we're 596 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.880 creating videos that are attractive to children and students. But 597 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:26.000 most importantly, we're also doing lesson plans for homeschooling parents 598 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.159 and charter schools. And they're not just a lesson plan. 599 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:33.480 It's rare. We actually have a scientist doing that, doctor 600 00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:38.000 Sharon Camp, PhD in analytic chemistry. She's an ap science 601 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:41.159 teacher and reader, and so this is science based. We're 602 00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:46.159 totally vetted the lesson plans. We've completed the first series 603 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.119 of book. I've just authored the first of the next series. 604 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.320 We call it a sleep Well series. You're gonna love this. 605 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:56.719 So the title is Chloe the Clownfish sleeps Well at Night, 606 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:01.679 and it's all It's marvelous. Art is fantastic. It is 607 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.679 about Chloe that lives in the Great Barrier Reef, and 608 00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.840 she's told at school that, you know, the Great Barrier 609 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.280 Reef in her home was going to be destroyed because 610 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.599 of man's climate change. We would use that story. We're 611 00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:17.920 able to use that story in an entertaining method to 612 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.440 put out the facts about what's actually happening with corals 613 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:23.880 and the Great Barrier Reef. And I was joined as 614 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.920 a co author. Doctor Peter Ridd who's one of the 615 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:33.400 top chloral and Great Barrier Reef experts, collaborated with me 616 00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:36.199 on this, so we you know, we have top scientists 617 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.559 that work together get to make sure we get the 618 00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:41.239 story right. But we're kind of going we're getting the 619 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:45.719 nose under the camel's tent by getting this really interesting 620 00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:47.159 material out there. 621 00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.320 Oh that's great. Yeah, that's one of the big failed 622 00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:50.880 predictions was a Great Barrier reef. 623 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.239 Before we get off of that, I'd like to give 624 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:59.239 the website of our CO two Learningcenter dot com. Co 625 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:05.199 two Learningcenter dot com. You can go get our books 626 00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:11.199 for qualifying homeschool organizations or charter schools. We've just brought 627 00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:16.239 in a shipment of CO two meters that we actually 628 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.880 give to qualify and no charge to qualifying schools and 629 00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:26.719 homes and teachers because some of our lesson plans involve 630 00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:30.559 experiments that require a CO two meter, and you know, 631 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:32.480 a lot of these people they don't want to spend 632 00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:35.039 one hundred and forty dollars for a CEO two meter, 633 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.199 so we've done it for them, and that this is 634 00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:42.400 our mission. Our mission has provide fact science data and 635 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.559 are now our mission too is to provide that information 636 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:50.119 to students and particularly the homeschool parents. And all three 637 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:55.440 of my grandchildren are homeschooled, and it's important they love 638 00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:59.199 to use this information. So CO two learning center dot com. 639 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.079 That's great. Two Learning center dot Comy. If you don't 640 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:04.480 want to be a clownfish, be careful with school that 641 00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:09.280 you hang out with. Right, So that's wonderful that you 642 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:13.119 seized on that, and because that is that is really 643 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:16.239 the key. You know, you say Chloe sleeps well at night, 644 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:19.440 Well that's the problem. They are scaring these kids to death. 645 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.760 They think that they've got no future, that the world 646 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.519 is going to end because of CO two emissions, and 647 00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:29.039 it is absolute insanity. And of course, the only way 648 00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.840 you're going to stop CO two emissions is to starve 649 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:33.480 us to death and kill all the people. But I 650 00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.199 think that might be what they're trying to do. 651 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:37.679 Yea, there is that. 652 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:44.639 Yeah, yeah, it certainly is amazing. Well, it's fascinating to 653 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:48.599 talk to you again, Gregory Wrightstone. And the book is 654 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:51.760 a very convenient warming at the top of the list 655 00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.440 on Amazon. And I've got a couple of comments here, 656 00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:59.559 Brian and Deb McCartney. Can you ask if he has 657 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:05.000 heard of the Just Transition Task Force. I'm attending another 658 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.840 meeting in Northern Minnesota this evening regarding the killing of 659 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:14.039 coal fired power. So it's the Just Just Transition task Force. 660 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:15.000 So you hear anything about that? 661 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:22.559 I haven't. I don't like the word transition. Yeah, it's transition. 662 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:27.760 I'm not talking about transition of energy. And it's why 663 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:32.920 should we transition away from something that's worked wonderfully, that's 664 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:33.719 lifted big? 665 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:39.239 That's right? Up? Do we lose you? We lost your audio? 666 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:40.360 I don't know if you can still hear me not 667 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.960 if something happened there, still don't have it? There we 668 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.159 are now, we're back. Now we're back. Okay, that's good. 669 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:48.800 It's darn gremlins. 670 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.599 We should why should we transition away from reliable, abundant, 671 00:38:54.639 --> 00:39:00.960 affordable energy to unreliable energy that's not abundant, that's not affordable. 672 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:06.559 It's so the transition. It's a forced transition a way. 673 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.239 I like to let the free market decide, and the 674 00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:14.239 free market will tell you that it's coal, it's natural gas, 675 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.360 it may be nuclear for our electricity needs. 676 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:19.679 Yeah, it is interesting, isn't it? 677 00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:19.920 You know? 678 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:21.880 And I think that they were talking about that. I 679 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.800 think they were. They're concerned about the killing of coal 680 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:27.400 fired power. That's what their concern is. And so I 681 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.719 think this other group is true, should be transition away 682 00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.119 from it? Yes, absolutely. I mean you look at I've 683 00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:36.519 got magazines here that Gregory that I show people from 684 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.599 nineteen seventy nine Time and Newsweek, and they say, by 685 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:41.360 the middle of the nineteen eighties, we will have no 686 00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:45.119 more oil and no more natural gas. And I saved 687 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:47.760 those because I knew that was nonsense. And then they say, well, 688 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:49.920 we've got six hundred and sixty six years of coal. 689 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:51.760 So what they do. They decide they're going to get 690 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.719 rid of coal. You can make coal theme, but they're 691 00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:56.159 not required. That's one of that you know, we talk 692 00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:59.000 about the un that's one of my pet Peeves I 693 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.880 talk about frequently, and that is the Paris Climate Court. 694 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:06.400 Even people who are alarmists were alarmed at the Paris 695 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:08.519 Climate Court because they said, well, you're not doing anything 696 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:11.639 to stop this. You're going to allow China and India 697 00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:15.159 to build as many power plants as they wish and 698 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:18.800 not have them be clean, and so this is not 699 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:23.480 addressing what our global problem is. They think, They said, 700 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:27.599 this is simply a transfer of industry to China, and 701 00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:29.920 that's exactly what it is, isn't it It is? 702 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:33.559 It is and bull are they both India and China. 703 00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:38.480 I think presidents in India Prime Minister Modi, I think 704 00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.480 he's he does care about his people and he wants 705 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:44.280 to lift They still have eight hundred million people that 706 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:47.800 are living in energy poverty without electricity. He wants to 707 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.719 lift those people up and provide electricity to everyone throughout 708 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:57.719 throughout India. And he's they're going great guns. They're mining 709 00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:02.039 and breaking records, mining coal, setting records, building and producing 710 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:08.239 more electric electricity derived from coal. The natural gas isn't 711 00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:11.719 very well developed. We can talk a little bit about that. 712 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.760 I traveled to India and spoke at the first natural 713 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.880 gas shell gas conference in India a number of years ago, 714 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:24.679 and but China prison g number one. He's got to 715 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.239 be sitting there right now, rubbing his hands together and 716 00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:35.440 lead because he's we're self destructing. Yes, we're undermining our electricity, 717 00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:40.639 our economy for no good reason. And he's advancing his 718 00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:42.920 he's mouthing the words we're going to go to net 719 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:47.880 zero by what twenty seventy twenty eighty. Has no intention 720 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.960 of doing that now, and they're going great guns. And 721 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.559 I don't think there's no altruistic bone in his body. 722 00:41:55.079 --> 00:42:01.039 His goal is to mount and have an economy unrivaled 723 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:05.639 in the world, and part of that's us getting affordable, reliable, 724 00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:09.440 abundant energy. And he's doing it with coal. He's using everything. 725 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.440 They're building a lot of solar, they're doing wind, but 726 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:16.760 it's it's mainly coal that's really driving this. And it's 727 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:22.960 plus here in the United States. Most of our proposals here. 728 00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:26.159 We know about Kamala Harris. She was pushing electric vehicles 729 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:31.679 until she wasn't, which occurred at I don't know why 730 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.199 or when, but now she's not. But their their whole 731 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:40.440 energy solution. Jennifer Granholman Department of energy. They want everybody 732 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:44.119 to drive an electric car, which will only increase demand 733 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.599 for already scarce electricity and lead to it's going to 734 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:51.039 be horrible, horrid warble. 735 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.480 Yeah, we can look and see what's happening as they're 736 00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:56.800 demanding that everything be electric, no no gas ranges, all 737 00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.599 electric appliances, all electric cars and anything. As they're doing that, 738 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:03.719 they're simultaneously shutting down the grid capacity. And so we 739 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:06.400 know where this all leads. And you can see what's 740 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:10.280 happening in the UK as well. Their electricity is already 741 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:12.440 four times what it is in the United States. They 742 00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.480 just shut down their last steel plant, they just shut 743 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:19.639 down their last coal energy plant. They can't compete and 744 00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.679 manufacture anything with China. Mean, China has always had the 745 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:28.639 China price, which is their currency. Manipulation and copyright piracy 746 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.239 and slave labor. Well, now they've got the cheapest energy 747 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:34.679 of anybody. That's what's going to happen. All you've got Germany. 748 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:36.800 Look at what is happening to the German industry. They're 749 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.039 having to shut down as well. If we follow this 750 00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:42.079 path of getting rid of CO two, it is a 751 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.599 path of suicide. That's why your book is so important, 752 00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:48.599 and the organization is so important. The CO two Coalition 753 00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:50.599 dot org that you put together got a lot of 754 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.480 Nobel Prize winning scientists that are their people. Ought to 755 00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:57.119 bookmark that and get that on your mailing list. And 756 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:02.079 the book is a very convenient warming again by Gregory Wrightstone. 757 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:05.239 This is a vital issue, it really is. 758 00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:09.239 Yeah, thank you, And that's again, that's the mission of 759 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.320 the CO two Coalition. It's my own personal mission is 760 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.480 to get the science, the facts and the data out there. 761 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.639 But what's actually happening. And I'm an optimist, David. I'm 762 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.719 a true optimist in a lot of things, but particularly 763 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.360 I believe we're winning. I find I talk to lots 764 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:28.719 of people. I do a lot of Uber drivers, and 765 00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:32.039 I'm converting America one Uber driver at a time. But 766 00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:35.119 I find just about everybody I talked to it's thirsty 767 00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:39.280 for the information that we provide, that my books provide 768 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.920 that the CO two Coalition provides. They're thirsty for this. 769 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.440 They've never heard of it. So many times their eyes 770 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:48.880 get wide open, they go, I've never heard that. Why 771 00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:51.639 are they lying? Why aren't they telling us that, yes, 772 00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:56.639 we need to be silenced. Yeah, because I'm telling back 773 00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:58.719 based story at the Ristom. 774 00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.960 And we can see what is happening in the European countries, 775 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:03.840 especially in the UK. They're a little bit ahead of us. 776 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.440 You know this article I covered you today, that's about 777 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.760 I said, electricity rationing has already begun. They just haven't 778 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.320 given you a coupon book. And they're talking about how 779 00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.119 they're measuring all of the you know, the time of 780 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:17.960 day usage and all the rest of this kind of stuff. 781 00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:20.639 And people are scrambling to figure out how they're going 782 00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:23.960 to afford this. I mean, and we've got these offshore 783 00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:29.840 wind farm that is offshore Long Island. It's going to 784 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:33.599 escalate the price of well they're by conservative factor four 785 00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.079 or five times, because they're looking at their profit margin 786 00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:38.679 is going to be about one and a half times 787 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:43.039 what the current entire cost is. So it is amazing 788 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.360 what is happening with all this, how expensive, how unreliable 789 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:48.559 it is, and it really is is going to be 790 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:53.440 incredibly destructive for all of our lives. Yeah, well, thank 791 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:55.920 you so much for joining us, and again the book 792 00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:59.639 is a very convenient warming by Gregory Wrightstone at the 793 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.239 time of the Amazon list, Thank you so much for 794 00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.000 joining us. Sir, and the CO two Coalition dot org 795 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:08.519 also very important. And I'll put that in the resource 796 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:11.360 into the description of the CO two Learning Center dot 797 00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:13.519 com because we do have a lot of people who 798 00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.199 homeschool and I know they would be interested in those 799 00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:19.159 books and that curriculum. Thank you so much for joining us. 800 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:20.360 Thank you. 801 00:47:06.199 --> 00:48:22.639 It's it looks like it's a natural control for cancer. 802 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.280 And he told me the story. All right, this gets 803 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:29.079 interesting in the details. He had a dog that had 804 00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:31.960 cancer and he was about to put the dog down 805 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:35.800 because you know, he tried chemotherapy and everything else on 806 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.880 the dog that the doctors do and it wasn't working. 807 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.400 In fact, the dog was getting sicker. And when he 808 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:44.199 heard about this, he says, I tried to use I 809 00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.000 decided to use this substance on the dog, and he said, 810 00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:49.679 blow me down. The dog got well real fast. I 811 00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:53.119 couldn't believe it. I'd never seen that happen before. And 812 00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:55.000 then the next part of the story is that he 813 00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:58.360 said his nurse came to him, his head nurse, whose 814 00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:02.760 husband was had criminal cancer, and she said, doctor John, 815 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:05.760 you know my husband is not going to last very 816 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.199 much longer. And I saw what happened to the dog. 817 00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:12.599 Would you please do that for my husband? 818 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:13.800 Ah? 819 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.800 And he said, well, sure, I'd be glad to, but 820 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:19.119 don't tell anybody because it's not approved, you know, for 821 00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:24.320 human use. And he tried it on her husband and 822 00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:28.000 he got well, this is how it all started. And 823 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:31.800 so John said, I started using it very very cautiously 824 00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:36.360 and very low dosages and very suspiciously, making sure that 825 00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.360 I was not risking anybody's life, using it only on 826 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:41.519 people who really had terminal cancer. 827 00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:49.840 Joining us now is g Edward Griffin, a real giant 828 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:53.360 in the liberty movement. He's done so many monumental works. 829 00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:55.440 Of course everybody knows this creatre from Jackal Island, but 830 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:58.039 we want also talked to him today about his book 831 00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:02.000 A World Without Cancer, because I think that's a message 832 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.119 that is people are ready to hear after what we've 833 00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.079 been through for the last four years. But we've now seen, 834 00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.400 I think, really a convergence in medical, financial, and political, 835 00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:15.400 because it's being swallowed up by the political stuff. But 836 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:18.000 great to have Joe M. Griffin on. Thank you so 837 00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:18.800 much for joining us. 838 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.559 Sir, well, it's my pleasure, thanks for inviting me. 839 00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:23.559 And I want to talk also about the red pill 840 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:25.119 expo that's going to be coming up in just a 841 00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:26.679 couple of weeks as well, so i'll give you a 842 00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:28.800 chance to talk about that and what's happening with that. 843 00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.920 But your work is very well known by a lot 844 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:33.960 of people, and we're going to try to get into 845 00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:38.000 maybe the medical aspect of this is maybe not as 846 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:39.639 well known as a federal reserve. But we do want 847 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.039 to talk about the financial stuff. That's very important right now. 848 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:44.679 But I think it'd be good for us to talk 849 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:49.599 about your biography. How did you get into doing documentaries 850 00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:54.360 and books and especially in terms of going against the 851 00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:57.199 grain of conventional wisdom. Tell us a little bit about 852 00:50:57.199 --> 00:50:57.800 your background. 853 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:05.400 It's a long background, of course, considering my age, and 854 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:13.199 it's probably not very interesting. It's rather boring, actually, Yeah, 855 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:17.840 you're correct. We've covered some ground and made some amazing 856 00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:20.960 touch points along the way, but I think it's only 857 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:26.400 because we've been at it for so long. My life 858 00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:31.119 has been pretty much normal in the sense by normal, 859 00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:36.039 I'm almost afraid or embarrassed to say normal, because unfortunately, 860 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.280 what is normal out there in the world today is 861 00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:40.320 not particularly attractive. 862 00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:44.519 An abnormal world. A normal person in an abnormal world. 863 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:48.159 Yeah, well, I mean, it's not unusual. I guess I 864 00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:52.639 should say in that I would start out in one 865 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:57.800 direction and be confronted by some impossible barrier or setback 866 00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:01.960 or tragedy, and it would be life changing for me 867 00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:08.800 and very very uncomfortable, very painful, very very frightening. But 868 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:13.320 in retrospect, as the time goes by, I find out 869 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:15.840 that that was the best thing that ever happened to me, 870 00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:19.679 because it forced me to do a right turn or 871 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:23.639 change my direction substantially. And even though it was painful 872 00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:27.480 and I had to abandon my original plans and expectations, 873 00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:31.679 I found out that it was a better direction than 874 00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:35.039 the one I was on originally. And my life is 875 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.559 full of that. And some of those tragedies along the 876 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:41.679 way were very serious illnesses too. I was still very young, 877 00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:46.440 in my early thirties, and I had a wife and 878 00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:49.440 a couple of kids to support, and I had a collapse, 879 00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:54.480 and I had two doctors tell me I had multiple sclerosis. 880 00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:57.599 Not that was I didn't really know for sure what 881 00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:00.280 that was. I knew it was bad, but when I 882 00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.039 looked it up in the in the encyclopedia, I decided, oh, man, 883 00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:06.480 this is a bad way to go out the door, 884 00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.199 and I thought I was dying, of course, but it 885 00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:15.239 was a misdiagnosis. I had exhausted myself, I had it. Rather, 886 00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:19.159 I thought I was carrying the world on my shoulders. 887 00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:21.719 I thought I had to save the world all by myself. 888 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:25.079 And so I was not getting a lot of sleep. 889 00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:26.960 I was a young guy. Of course, I was doing 890 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:31.400 a lot of traveling, making presentations, training sessions, all that 891 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:33.440 kind of thing. So I would go from one town 892 00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:36.039 to the next and drive a good portion of the 893 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:38.519 day to get there, get there and be taken out 894 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.679 to dinner, and then put on an evening presentation and 895 00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:43.760 then meeted somebody's house afterwards. 896 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:48.440 And what kind of presentations were you doing? Was this political? 897 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:51.920 Well? These were These were recruiting. These were recruiting meetings. 898 00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:54.639 I was at that time. I was a coordinator for 899 00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:57.920 the John Bird Society. I know that scares a lot 900 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:02.320 of people that think that's a wacko organization, but not me. 901 00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:07.079 Well good anyway, they're very to me. They're very, very 902 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.400 calm and very not wracko at all. Of course, they 903 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:14.119 have some wackos in there, but the percentage of wackos 904 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:17.079 and the brit society I thought was smaller than the 905 00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:22.880 percentage outside of the British society everywhere. Yeah, yeah, that 906 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:26.559 was the safest place to be. But anyway, that's what 907 00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:29.840 I was doing. And so I was drinking. You know, 908 00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.159 everybody would want to buy me some wine, and we'd 909 00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:36.639 drink wine and talk about life and the world events 910 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.000 and so forth. And then I get to bed late 911 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:41.519 at night or early in the morning, get up in 912 00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:43.440 the morning and drive and do that over and over again. 913 00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:45.719 I came back and I was planning some trees in 914 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.599 my front yard and I just froze up. I became paralyzed. 915 00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:55.320 And I think a long story short, I was I 916 00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:01.119 had just exhausted my physical strength, malnutrition, toxic elements in 917 00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:04.840 my body, not enough sleep, and a bad metal attitude, 918 00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:11.239 always filled with anxiety, and you know, all the bad things. 919 00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:13.480 And I didn't realized. I didn't think I had to 920 00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:16.320 worry about that because I was young, right, Young people 921 00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:21.920 don't get sick. So anyway, they diagnosed it as multiple sclerosis. 922 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.719 It turned out not to be that. Once I got 923 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:28.519 off of my routine and started to find out what 924 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:31.960 this world was all about in terms of nutrition and 925 00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:38.000 rest and avoiding toxic things in your body, in your environment, 926 00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:42.480 and so forth. I recovered rather rapidly, So in retrospect, 927 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:45.760 it was very good because I learned how to live, 928 00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:49.639 and I probably wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't 929 00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:53.039 learned that lesson early in my life. At the same time, 930 00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.800 I was really pretty well stuck in bed and I 931 00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:59.840 didn't know I could write. I had gone to school, 932 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:05.639 I had learned, I'd learned about communications. I would stage plays. 933 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:07.760 I was an actor, a little child actor. You can 934 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:11.559 imagine anything worse than that. I did a lot of 935 00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:12.280 to day. 936 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:14.719 I can imagine it being a lot worse today. 937 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:16.920 Well, I don't know, it was pretty bad. I was 938 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:18.880 right in the middle of that. And you know, I 939 00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:22.039 was in Detroit, and we did radio in those days. 940 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:24.880 And you know, a lot of shows came out of 941 00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:29.239 Detroit at the Ford Theater and the Hermit's Cave, and 942 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.159 we had a Saturday show was the same as Let's Pretend, 943 00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.079 and we covered anyway. I did a lot of radio stuff, 944 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.719 so and and I went to school and took more 945 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:43.400 of the same. Television was just coming online in those days, 946 00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:47.440 so I was taking courses in television and radio communications. 947 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:49.480 Let me ask a question real quick. Your radio I 948 00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:54.400 guess that was live radio performance. Oh yeah, that's really interesting. 949 00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:56.840 St I love listening to the live things like that. 950 00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:59.800 Yeah, it was. I worked my way through college as 951 00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:05.280 a radio announcer for WUOM, which was the university radio 952 00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:10.280 station at the University of Michigan, and you know all that, 953 00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:12.599 so I was into that. So when I got sick, 954 00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:16.519 I thought, well, I'm not going to be able to 955 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:18.559 make a living. I couldn't get out of bed for 956 00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:21.239 the most part, had to practically crawl from one room 957 00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.760 to the other. And so I got this call from 958 00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.679 a publisher and he said, ed, I understand you've been 959 00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:31.599 giving speeches on the United Nations and they're very well received. 960 00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:34.360 Would you like to write a book for us on 961 00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.719 that topic. We want to publish a book, and we 962 00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:39.199 think you could do it. And of course, at that 963 00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.360 time I had never written anything, and that was not 964 00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:47.960 my I did not identify as an author, identified as 965 00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:52.039 a communicator on television or radio or something like that. 966 00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.719 And my dream was to go to Hollywood and become 967 00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:59.960 a great Hollywood producer in motion pictures. So when it's 968 00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.119 called me and said, how would you like to write 969 00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:04.679 a book. That was the last thing I felt I 970 00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:08.840 was capable or interested in doing. But I thought instantly 971 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:11.880 about a wowity, he's offering me some money, and here 972 00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:14.400 I am in bed. I can't do anything else to 973 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:18.000 support my family, and we're running out of money. And 974 00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:21.880 so I found myself saying, oh, yeah, no problem, Yeah, 975 00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:23.599 sure I could do that. 976 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:27.440 I'm in that kind of situation as well. You know, 977 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.480 God puts us in a position where you got one 978 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:32.039 way out, and that's it something that you would have 979 00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:32.679 chosen to do. 980 00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:35.679 Yeah, So I just use that as an example. So 981 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:39.599 I took on the commitment and I started to do 982 00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:42.119 my hard research. I had done a lot of it already, 983 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:44.440 but I knew that in a book you had to 984 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:46.880 document everything. It wasn't just you could say, well, I 985 00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:50.039 know this, and I know that. So I did research 986 00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.480 at the last about probably two or three months of 987 00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.639 putting all the documents together, and then the day came 988 00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.519 when it was time to write. And it was kind 989 00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.679 of like at an old movie where you've everybody's seen 990 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:05.719 those scenes where the author has to write something and 991 00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:08.039 he's on a typewriter and he types a few lines 992 00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:10.480 and he pulls the paper out or crushes it and 993 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:12.519 throws it on the floor, and that's no good, and 994 00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.840 then this is no good. I went through that in spades. 995 00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:18.079 All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy? 996 00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:23.559 Right, write something. I was using a pencil. We didn't 997 00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:26.000 have computers in those days, and I couldn't type, so 998 00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:27.880 I was writing things out and I tear it up 999 00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:30.119 and throw it out just I couldn't how come I 1000 00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:34.760 can't write? I can't write. Give me a microphone. So 1001 00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:37.800 then I'm there's the point and the end of this. 1002 00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:40.559 So finally I said, I'm just going to write. Mary 1003 00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:42.920 had a little lamb. I started to write things out, 1004 00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:45.159 and the first thing, you know, I had this idea. 1005 00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:48.320 I can't write this because how do you how do 1006 00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:52.960 you approach a topic so huge as this was my 1007 00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:56.719 book on the United Nations, my first book. It's called 1008 00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:59.519 The Fearful Master, A Second Look at the United Nations? 1009 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.400 So I wrote down, how can you write about something 1010 01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:06.559 like this? It's like a huge globe made of glass, 1011 01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:09.719 so large that you couldn't grasp it in its entirety, 1012 01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:12.480 and you couldn't hold it. How do you write a book? 1013 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.039 It's like having to move a mountain how do you 1014 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:18.559 move a mountain? And then I found myself writing, well 1015 01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:26.639 you dig, and then this is my first spade, and 1016 01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:28.440 I looked at it. I said, well, that's kind of clever. 1017 01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:31.519 And the first thing, you know, I extended that and 1018 01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:34.679 the next few pages came pretty fast, and by the 1019 01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:37.000 time I got the page seven, it was roaring along. 1020 01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:41.280 I found out I wound up. I looked in the 1021 01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:44.280 in the wall at the wall, my gosh, I can write, 1022 01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:47.199 and I'm having fun doing it. So I use that 1023 01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:49.639 as an example. I wouldn't be here talking to you 1024 01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:53.760 today if I hadn't had this illness. And that event 1025 01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:57.239 that forced me forced me to make a right turn 1026 01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:00.199 in my where I thought was my career path. And 1027 01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:01.559 at that time I didn't think I was going to 1028 01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:04.559 live anyway. But so it forced me to make a 1029 01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:08.000 change that affected my whole life. I hope for the better. 1030 01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:11.639 That's a great story. We've had so many people when 1031 01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:13.800 they lost they would face of the decision take the 1032 01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:16.239 shot or lose your job. And I've talked to so 1033 01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.559 many people who had that crisis. It's like, what do 1034 01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:20.960 I do. I've trained all my life for this. I 1035 01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:22.599 don't have any other alternative, but I'm not going to 1036 01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:25.960 take that shot. And to a man that has been, 1037 01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:28.960 a woman that has been, every person I've talked to 1038 01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:31.760 about that, it's been a wonderful turning point for them. 1039 01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:33.760 And so I think your life lesson, as well as 1040 01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:36.360 a lot of other people, that's a real important life lesson. 1041 01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:38.239 I think, well, there it is. And that's why I 1042 01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:41.199 said it's in a way, I'm very normal because what 1043 01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:44.239 I just said, although it's dramatic for me, it was dramatic. 1044 01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:49.559 Everybody goes through those crises. I think maybe they don't 1045 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:52.400 think about it as having made a big change. And 1046 01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:57.599 I suppose not every change in the direction is that dramatic, 1047 01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:00.559 but most of them are. Many of them are important 1048 01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:04.599 ones are. So with that as a background, I started 1049 01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:06.840 off in one direction. All of a sudden, I'm writing, 1050 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.559 and I decided I wanted to go off on my own. 1051 01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:16.480 I decided I wanted to do I wanted to reach 1052 01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:18.519 out to a lot of people, and I wanted to 1053 01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:22.320 use my skills that I had acquired in communications. So 1054 01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:25.599 I decided to produce some very low budget documentary films 1055 01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:31.559 on important issues. And first the first attempt was to 1056 01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:36.159 write something on a documentary film on money and inflation, 1057 01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:39.239 and then of course that led me blikely to the 1058 01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:42.119 topic of the Federal Reserve system. And I'm off and 1059 01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:46.199 running now. And I had no idea how much voltage 1060 01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:49.199 was in the wire that I was about to grab 1061 01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:53.800 holder on that one. If I had, if I had 1062 01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:59.039 even an inkling of how deep that topic goes, and 1063 01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:01.760 how broad it is, how many things it covers, and 1064 01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:09.039 how profound, profoundly important it is to our lives, our liberty, 1065 01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:14.079 our lifestyle, everything, I would never have tackled it because 1066 01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:19.400 it was far beyond my reach. I'm the last person 1067 01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:22.360 in the world to write about things like that. I'm 1068 01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:24.119 a kid that was a child actor. You know. 1069 01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:27.800 Well, that makes a question, how did you you're working 1070 01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:31.480 with the before we started writing, and before you wrote 1071 01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:33.840 that book on the UN, you were also lecturing about 1072 01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:36.360 UN and other things like that. How did you get 1073 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.440 into working for the John Bird Society or how did 1074 01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:44.039 you begin to be skeptical about what the UN's purposes 1075 01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:44.960 and agenda were. 1076 01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:49.199 Well, that's another story, is similar to the one I 1077 01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:53.280 just mentioned. I was working for a large corporation. I 1078 01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:56.360 was in the corporate world. I had found out the 1079 01:03:56.440 --> 01:04:03.440 hard way that Hollywood wasn't waiting for me. I had 1080 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:06.119 gone there and I was, you know, wanted to make 1081 01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.280 my splash. I wanted to get a job with some 1082 01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:11.679 production company, and I was looking for the grand opening, 1083 01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:15.920 and it wasn't happening. And I looked around realistically, and 1084 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.119 I saw that all these young people there, the guys 1085 01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:24.639 and gals, had talent superior to mine, really, and they 1086 01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:28.719 were busting tables and washing cars, waiting for the big 1087 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:31.920 chance in Hollywood. And then I began to get a 1088 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:36.079 sense of the corruption that is in Hollywood and the 1089 01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:40.679 lifestyle and all of the evil things that were there 1090 01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:43.280 that I didn't like at all. And it became clear 1091 01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:46.079 that if you didn't tolerate those things, or if you 1092 01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.840 didn't participate in those things, your chances of getting that 1093 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:53.519 big break were pretty small. So I quit all that 1094 01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.159 and I went to work for a large insurance company 1095 01:04:56.559 --> 01:05:00.000 and I got a job in an underwriting department, prepare 1096 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.840 group insurance plans for corporations and that kind of thing. 1097 01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:07.280 So that's what I was doing when I decided to 1098 01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:11.400 start speaking out on topics. And the reason I made 1099 01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:14.239 that change is that I don't know who it was 1100 01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:18.000 but somebody handed me or sent me a little blue 1101 01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:21.719 pamphlet called The Truth about the United Nations. I think 1102 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:24.559 that was the title. I thought, the United Nations. Well, 1103 01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:27.800 I'd gone to school, I've been to the university. I 1104 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.920 knew all about the United Nations. It was wonderful. It 1105 01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.159 was our last best hope for peace, they told me, 1106 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:38.400 and I thought it was true, and so I was 1107 01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.800 very much in favor of the un and as a 1108 01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:43.000 means of avoiding war. 1109 01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:46.159 And about what year was that? That was. 1110 01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:53.559 Nineteen sixty maybe nineteen fifty nine. Probably that pamphlet was 1111 01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:57.920 in nineteen fifty nine. Anyway, So I read the pamphlet 1112 01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:01.280 and I was incensed by it. I thought, well, this 1113 01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:05.840 is ridiculous. I know better, but it sorted. The things 1114 01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:08.960 that said were hard for me to believe that these 1115 01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:14.199 people were lying. That's how naive, you know, you come 1116 01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:16.239 out of school. How naive can you be to think 1117 01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:18.559 that your teachers would be lying, or the people who 1118 01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:20.159 would write books might even be lying. 1119 01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:22.239 It's hard for us to believe that about other people. 1120 01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:24.280 We want to believe the best of them, and we 1121 01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:25.960 want to think that they're like us, you know, and 1122 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:29.599 so we always overestimate their morals, and we underestimate their technology, 1123 01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:30.480 don't we. 1124 01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:33.280 We certainly do, yeah, and of course we're trained to 1125 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:35.920 do that. I went to the public school system, and 1126 01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:38.199 that was I found out later one of its primary 1127 01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.800 objectives is to create that attitude in the minds of 1128 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:45.079 the students. So they had succeeded, and I found it. 1129 01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:49.039 I was very highly indignant over this pamphlet written by 1130 01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:52.159 college professor No Less. You'd expect he would know better, right, 1131 01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:55.920 So anyway, one day I went down to the library 1132 01:06:55.960 --> 01:06:58.920 in downtown Los Angeles. There was only a few blocks 1133 01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:01.239 from where our corporate office was, and I had some 1134 01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:04.760 time in my hands that day, so I decided to 1135 01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:08.519 just drop into the library. Now, I had never thought 1136 01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:10.239 i'd go into a library again after I got out 1137 01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:12.639 of school, because I thought that was where you punish 1138 01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:16.199 people for doing bad things. And any way, I went 1139 01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:20.119 into the International department. I wanted to check out a 1140 01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:23.239 few books on the topic of the United Nations and 1141 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:28.920 in particular these wars, these peacekeeping operations as they called them, 1142 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.360 and to see if I could learn more about it 1143 01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:37.679 and prove that this college professor was wrong. So I 1144 01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:39.559 checked out a few books and even though they were 1145 01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:43.719 all written from the friendly perspective, they were all friends 1146 01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:46.480 of the UN. Many of them were either employees or 1147 01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:53.159 former employees, or they had positions professional positions which depended 1148 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:56.440 on their being friendly. A lot of some of them 1149 01:07:56.440 --> 01:08:00.840 were academics, and academics I discovered would never dare go 1150 01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:04.760 against the UN anyway. So I read those books and 1151 01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:08.480 I recognized that they were biased, and so that was 1152 01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:10.920 that was the beginning of it. Reading their own works 1153 01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:13.639 and some of them were quite frank by the way. 1154 01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:19.479 I learned about the war in Katanga Patrici lu Mumba 1155 01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:24.439 and the War one Katanga in afric was really an 1156 01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:26.560 eye opener for me. In fact, that's how I opened 1157 01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:29.439 my book on the United Nations. It was with that 1158 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:34.199 section on what happened Katanga. Basically what happened is that 1159 01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:40.680 there was a communist revolution in the Congo with Katanga 1160 01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:47.000 Province of the Congo, and the so called colonial powers 1161 01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:51.199 just left. They There was betrayal I think at the 1162 01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:54.600 highest levels in the government. I think it was Belgium, 1163 01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:57.399 and they just withdrew their troops and all their law 1164 01:08:57.479 --> 01:09:01.520 enforcement facilities and just gave the Congo over to the 1165 01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:05.520 communist revolutionaries and that was hard to believe, but there 1166 01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:08.640 was an evidence. And so when the troops went out, 1167 01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:12.079 there was mass slaughter going on and it looked like 1168 01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:14.800 it might be racial, but it was not. It was economic. 1169 01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:18.920 It was getting the colonialists out. That was the word 1170 01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:22.039 they use the capitalists. Get the capitalists out and get 1171 01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:27.159 the socialist in power again. So Congo went into total chaos. 1172 01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:30.520 Blood blood all over the place, and production stopped, the 1173 01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:34.640 economy crash, People were starving, people were robbing each other. 1174 01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:38.640 It was total chaos. I fear we're in America going 1175 01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:41.399 to get somewhat like see some of that ourselves and 1176 01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:46.840 make that step toward total collectivism or socialism. Anyway, that's 1177 01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:49.600 what happened, and so the UN came long A said well, 1178 01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:51.600 look at this chaos. We've got to put put an 1179 01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:53.199 end to that. And they were said, yes, yes, that's 1180 01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:57.319 what you're for. And we're the peacekeepers, right, yes, okay. 1181 01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:02.560 Well the peacekeepers went in and there were multiple provinces 1182 01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:06.920 in the Congo and they were all in total blood 1183 01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:13.079 drenched chaos except one. The one shining exception was Katanga 1184 01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:18.199 was headed by Moischambai and Moischambie had been to some 1185 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:22.119 universities in London and had come to America, and he 1186 01:10:22.239 --> 01:10:27.520 understood the principles of free enterprise capitalism. And he was 1187 01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:31.640 standing firm and and his his province was like it 1188 01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:34.439 had always been, and chaos was all around them. So 1189 01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:37.720 where did the UN send the peacekeepers there? 1190 01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:38.840 There? 1191 01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:41.119 It didn't They didn't send them any place else where 1192 01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:43.479 the chaos was. They sent them where the chaos was not. 1193 01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:48.119 And they literally overthrew the Katanga province and put into 1194 01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:52.000 chaos also. And well, when I saw that documented so 1195 01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:56.840 clearly and in many cases by the employees and officers 1196 01:10:56.840 --> 01:11:01.279 of the u N itself, uh where they bragged about 1197 01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:04.479 doing that in their own words. And when I saw that, 1198 01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:08.760 that changed my life, because it was a red pill. 1199 01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:10.800 You might say that I saw life the way it 1200 01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:15.119 really was. And in one book by the I think 1201 01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:18.800 it was an Irish general from Ireland, I can't think 1202 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:22.560 his name anyway, a big thick book on how wonderful 1203 01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:25.199 he was in the Congo doing all these things on 1204 01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:29.399 behalf of international cooperation and peace and so forth. And 1205 01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:32.479 he's time and again said, well, you know, when this 1206 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:37.039 issue came up, we lied in the press conferences as 1207 01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:42.640 all bureaucrats do. And he was sort of like, well, 1208 01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:44.439 that's the way it is, folks. I'm glad you're reading 1209 01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:48.279 my book. Now you know how it works. So Connor 1210 01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:53.119 O'Brien that was his name, General O'Brien, and I realized 1211 01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:56.239 that these people actually boast about some of the crimes 1212 01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:59.960 they commit. And that was my changing point right there. 1213 01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:04.880 And so my first interest was the United Nations, and 1214 01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:07.640 I did some research on it. But I took that 1215 01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:10.600 pamphlet that I talked about a moment ago, and then 1216 01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:13.680 my own independent research and added to it. And that's 1217 01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:18.079 what became the basis for my book, The Fearful Master. 1218 01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:20.439 That's great, wonderful title as well. 1219 01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:24.239 You talked about from that comes from a quotation attributed 1220 01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:29.079 to George Washington. I could never find an official source 1221 01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:31.279 for it, but everybody seemed to agree that it came 1222 01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:35.640 from him, and he said, government is not Let's see 1223 01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:39.399 if I get this straight. Government is not wisdom, It 1224 01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:45.640 is not benevolence, It is force like fire. It is 1225 01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:50.079 a dangerous servant and a fearful master. 1226 01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:56.640 That's great. Yeah. Whoever wrote that if Yeah, they nailed it. 1227 01:12:56.720 --> 01:12:59.960 So it's absolutely true. Now you were with the John Burks. 1228 01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:02.279 So we're talking about how they liked to paint portray 1229 01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:07.439 Birchers as crazy, and I guess a big part of that. 1230 01:13:07.479 --> 01:13:09.399 I think a big part of that war against the 1231 01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:13.119 John Birch Society was coming from William F. Buckley. Talk 1232 01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:15.760 a little bit about that or was he the point 1233 01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:18.439 man publicly or was there, you know, other things that 1234 01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:19.039 were having well. 1235 01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:21.000 I don't think Buckley was a point man at all. 1236 01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:27.560 That's an interesting observation. Buckley did come up publicly against 1237 01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:35.359 the Birch Society, and the militant left left wingers attacked 1238 01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:41.359 the Birch Society vehemently. They called it, you know, fascist, Nazis, extremists, 1239 01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:45.920 anti Semites, wackos, you know, in any of those things, 1240 01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:49.439 and they just kept repeating it and repeating it, and 1241 01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:51.319 a lot of people believed it because they read about 1242 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:53.800 it in their newspaper, and of course it was none 1243 01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:56.199 of those things. But that didn't make any difference. The 1244 01:13:56.239 --> 01:14:02.159 perception is the important thing. Yes, but Buckley was not 1245 01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:05.680 from the radical left. There were a few people like 1246 01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:09.960 Buckley that also jumped on the badwagon from what people 1247 01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:12.119 considered to be the right wing. Of course, we could 1248 01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:16.319 talk about the impropriety of thinking there's a difference between 1249 01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:19.560 right and left. Later, but I learned that the hard 1250 01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:22.279 way too, that the right wing and the left wing 1251 01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:28.960 are merely two wings on the same ugly bird called collectivism. Anyway, 1252 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:33.720 that I hadn't learned that yet. So anyway, Buckley was 1253 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:38.079 one of those guys who was associated with the so 1254 01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:40.920 called right wing, but they believed pretty much the same thing, 1255 01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:44.960 and they would attack any serious challenge to collectivism, which 1256 01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:45.920 is what they believed in. 1257 01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:49.199 Yeah, he's a big establishment. I remember I was thinking 1258 01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:51.000 that I was trying to get polar oppositees. I'd read 1259 01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:52.920 National Review and I'd read The Nation. When I was 1260 01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:55.560 in college, I'd read these and kind of try to 1261 01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:57.399 figure out what was going on. I didn't want to 1262 01:14:57.399 --> 01:14:59.600 read time in newsweeks. I wanted to get these opposing 1263 01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:02.319 views anything. But then I eventually found that they were 1264 01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:07.840 also very much alike in many ways extreme that I wasn't. 1265 01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:11.720 You know, So, yeah, what's the what's the supposing business business? 1266 01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:14.399 Yeah? 1267 01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:17.920 People, people have to learn that lesson. Yet they still think, 1268 01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:21.520 especially as we are living right now through a period 1269 01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:25.760 of great political intensity, they really think that the political 1270 01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:28.119 parties are going to be their salvation. It's just a 1271 01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:29.479 question who are you going to vote for? 1272 01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:32.600 And it is the most important election of our lifetime. 1273 01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:34.439 You've had a lot of those most important elections of 1274 01:15:34.479 --> 01:15:37.359 your lifetime, haven't you. You've probably heard that more. 1275 01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:39.359 Every one of them is the most last chance to 1276 01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:39.560 do it. 1277 01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:42.119 That's right. You're going to be the end of the 1278 01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:45.039 world if we don't get this right. Yeah, yeah, we've 1279 01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:47.560 heard that so many times. Well, so you start out 1280 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:49.960 with the U N and you're working with JBS, and 1281 01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:53.479 how did you get over to the Federal Reserve? How 1282 01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:54.479 did you move over that? 1283 01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:57.560 I decided I had to produce some little documentaries or 1284 01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:00.399 documentary films as we call them today. But back in 1285 01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:04.479 those days, unless you had big bucks, in which we didn't, 1286 01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:08.399 you used the film strips, film strip projectors, and it 1287 01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:11.239 was a projector where you rule a little role of 1288 01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:14.920 a thirty five milimeter film with just still pictures on 1289 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.359 him one you know, I think we had ninety eight 1290 01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:20.439 pictures or so, and you click them one at a 1291 01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:23.880 time and it projects up on the screen. You play 1292 01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:27.720 this soundtrack on like an LP recording on a phonograph machine, 1293 01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:31.359 and when it's time to change the picture. There's a 1294 01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:35.279 beep that comes onto the sound. The operator turns the picture, 1295 01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:38.640 and then narration continues, and then there's it's like a 1296 01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:42.720 PowerPoint presentation with the beeps. And so that's what we 1297 01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:45.319 did in those days, and I did well, I don't 1298 01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:47.920 know nine or ten of them, and I decided I 1299 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:52.680 wanted to do one on inflation and the money supply. 1300 01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:54.760 I didn't know much about it, but I knew that 1301 01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:59.119 there was something fishy going on because everybody was accusing 1302 01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:04.520 the other guy of being responsible for inflation. Everybody accused 1303 01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:06.399 the farmers they were getting too much for their food, 1304 01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:09.760 and the farmers that were starving, we have to eat 1305 01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:11.399 their own food to just stay alive. But you don't 1306 01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:14.720 make any money. It's the distributors that take all the 1307 01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:17.279 money and distributes it, not us. It's the truckers, and 1308 01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:19.319 the truckers know it's not us. It's the it's the 1309 01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:21.880 grocery stores and the groceries. It's not us. It's the 1310 01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:24.479 labor unions and so forth, and they're all, you know, 1311 01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:27.119 everybody's pointing to somebody else is the cause. And they 1312 01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:29.600 were all correct in a sense that it was not them. 1313 01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:33.560 But they didn't know who it was, that hidden element 1314 01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:36.439 that nobody had looked at, and so I was curious 1315 01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:41.159 about that. So I started to do research on inflation, 1316 01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:45.439 and of course that leads directly to the engine of inflation, 1317 01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:50.079 and that's the Federal Reserve system, because that's the power 1318 01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:54.600 that creates money out of debt. And they can just 1319 01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:57.239 create as much money as people are willing to borrow 1320 01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:01.880 into into existence, and it's not their money. They just 1321 01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:05.640 created out of nothing or worse than nothing on the debt. 1322 01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:09.399 So the money supply expands much faster than goods and 1323 01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:14.560 services expand, and therefore the relative prices for those goods 1324 01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:17.439 and services in terms of the expanded source of the 1325 01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:21.319 money goes up. It's just a very simple formula. A 1326 01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:24.239 high school kid that knows anything about math can figure 1327 01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:27.960 it out. But the American people still don't understand it 1328 01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:33.760 pretty much because it's deliberately compounded and made it look 1329 01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:36.720 very complicated, and it's not over. So I got into 1330 01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:39.199 that and I created a couple of banker boxes full 1331 01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:42.640 of research on it, and I was ready to go, 1332 01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:46.920 and then I he is, this topic is getting too 1333 01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:49.279 big for me. And meanwhile I had to get on 1334 01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:53.840 and produce some faster film strips because I have to 1335 01:18:53.880 --> 01:18:57.279 put groceries on the table, right, So I put the 1336 01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:02.640 banker boxes in my closet now. And then one day 1337 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:05.920 I got a call from a little old lady in 1338 01:19:05.960 --> 01:19:09.600 tennis shoes from Pasadena. We've heard about those ladies. This 1339 01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:12.960 was a real one, and she was a widow, and 1340 01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:15.520 she obviously had some money because she lived in a 1341 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:19.520 big house in Pasady and her husband passed away, of course, 1342 01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:24.199 and had this car in the garage. Was probably about 1343 01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:27.720 twelve fifteen years old, but I think it had like 1344 01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:32.439 eight hundred miles on it as read. Well, that's a 1345 01:19:32.439 --> 01:19:34.680 little side story. But she was a wonderful lady. And 1346 01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:38.760 she had a monthly class that she was or meeting 1347 01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:43.319 in her home on taxes, and she'd heard that I 1348 01:19:43.359 --> 01:19:47.399 was giving speeches and showing film strips and so forth. 1349 01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:50.359 So she called me and asked me if I would 1350 01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:55.520 give a speech to her group on the weekend on taxes. 1351 01:19:56.439 --> 01:19:59.960 And I said, well, I don't know much about tech 1352 01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:05.159 except that they're too high. And I'm again, what else 1353 01:20:05.159 --> 01:20:08.359 can you say that taxes are? But I have I 1354 01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:10.960 might be able to talk to your group about a 1355 01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:15.159 hidden tax. Would that be of interest to you? And 1356 01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:16.279 she said A hidden tax? 1357 01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:16.720 What is that? 1358 01:20:18.239 --> 01:20:20.399 And in my supreme wisdom, I said, well, I guess 1359 01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:23.239 you're just going to have to retain my services so 1360 01:20:23.359 --> 01:20:28.039 I can tell you what. She laughed, she said, you 1361 01:20:28.119 --> 01:20:30.239 got me. She said, let's do it, so all right, 1362 01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:34.680 I committed to do a presentation on the Federal Reserve 1363 01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:38.760 as the hidden tax. And that forced me to open 1364 01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:41.000 up my banker boxes and go through the stuff again. 1365 01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:45.199 And the second time through, I was amazed at what 1366 01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:48.119 I picked up that I didn't catch the first time through. 1367 01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:54.399 And I became electrified by how really important this was, 1368 01:20:54.600 --> 01:20:57.000 how many areas in our lives it reached that I 1369 01:20:57.039 --> 01:21:00.000 hadn't really focused on. So I got excited about it, 1370 01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:03.199 and I spent some time putting together an outline. I 1371 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:06.239 gave the presentation and it was very well received. I 1372 01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:09.199 was happy to see, and some people approached me afterwards 1373 01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:11.479 there and they said that was good. You ought to 1374 01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:15.920 click that on the road. Well you don't do that 1375 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:21.039 to a child actor. You say, oh, I'll put it 1376 01:21:21.079 --> 01:21:26.439 on the road, which I did. I ramped it, got 1377 01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:29.000 it all well organized, and I called it the Crash 1378 01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:32.319 Course on Money it was a one day seminar. I thought, 1379 01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:34.199 you know, I could probably sell tickets to this if 1380 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:36.920 I was smart enough, and so I tried that, and 1381 01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:41.560 by golly, it worked, and I was selling tickets and travel. 1382 01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:43.880 I'll put it on the road. I was going from 1383 01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:47.279 town to town to town. This time. I'm not doing 1384 01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:48.880 what I did in the old days. I was taking 1385 01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:52.800 care of myself. And so we did this crash course 1386 01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:57.960 on money. And then I'm probably giving you more information 1387 01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:00.680 than you want, but this is what happened. At the 1388 01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:02.720 end of I think it was probably about the ninth 1389 01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:08.520 or tenth seminar. At the end of the meeting, I 1390 01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:11.880 was approached by another little old lady and she said, 1391 01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:15.079 mister Griffin. And that was always a shock to me, 1392 01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:18.680 because here she's an elderly lady and I'm still in 1393 01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:24.239 my twenties, late twenties or early thirties, and in my thirties. 1394 01:22:24.279 --> 01:22:27.880 I guess she's calling me mister Griffin. I've always got 1395 01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:31.439 to kick out of that, she said. After what I've 1396 01:22:31.520 --> 01:22:34.760 learned from you today, she said, I'm really concerned about 1397 01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:38.000 what I should do with what limited resources I have. 1398 01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:43.800 My husband passed away and he left a small stipend 1399 01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:46.159 and insurance and we can get along. We have a 1400 01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:51.039 small investment in a small apartment building or two apartments, 1401 01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:54.439 I think, she said, But we're in debt. Should I 1402 01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:57.159 get out of debt? Should I take what we have 1403 01:22:57.279 --> 01:22:59.880 in assets and put it in gold and silver? Or 1404 01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:04.479 should I what should I do with my assets? And 1405 01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:08.279 it hit me or at that moment, what a fraud 1406 01:23:08.359 --> 01:23:11.800 I was, because I did not know the answer to 1407 01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:14.800 that question. I knew what the Federal Reserve was doing. 1408 01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:17.760 I knew how they created money out of debt. I 1409 01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:22.039 knew the impact had had on the purchasing power of money. 1410 01:23:22.079 --> 01:23:24.439 I knew all those things, a lot of them, not all, 1411 01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:27.079 But I was a learning still in those days. But 1412 01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:29.800 to answer the question of what she should do to 1413 01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:34.199 avoid the consequences of that, I had no idea. I 1414 01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:36.640 was a fraud and she was expecting me to know. 1415 01:23:38.399 --> 01:23:42.279 So I stopped doing the webinar the seminars, I should say, 1416 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.479 and I enrolled in the College for Financial Planning, which 1417 01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:51.960 was a course done by a Chicago outfit, an educational group. 1418 01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:56.159 It was like a CFP designation, and it normally takes 1419 01:23:56.159 --> 01:23:57.840 a couple of years to get it, and so I 1420 01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:00.479 rolled in it, and it was all by course respondent 1421 01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:02.680 and then you have to go to a physical location 1422 01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:05.239 and take the exam that's an all day exam and 1423 01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:07.680 so forth. So I did that, and I got my 1424 01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:13.319 CFP designation as a financial advisor, not because I wanted 1425 01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:14.600 to do that. I just wanted to know how to 1426 01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:18.840 answer this woman's question, how do you protect your assets 1427 01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:23.840 and under these conditions? So that's what I did. And 1428 01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:29.039 then I came out of that with another realization which 1429 01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:32.319 I never would have had had I not been taking 1430 01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:35.319 that course, and that is that these people were teaching bunk. 1431 01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:42.119 I was learning bunk now. They were teaching how to 1432 01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:46.479 invest in markets that is in the best interest of 1433 01:24:46.520 --> 01:24:51.920 the financial planners, not in the best interest of the investors. 1434 01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:56.039 And that was really what it was all about. And 1435 01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:58.399 of course they always said it was for the group, 1436 01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.600 for the best investment for the I'll get this straight. 1437 01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:04.520 Yet it's always best for the investor himself. But it 1438 01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:07.640 was always an investment that paid a commission to the 1439 01:25:07.680 --> 01:25:12.159 person that recommended it or something, and none of it 1440 01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:15.479 really took into account that the value of the money 1441 01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:21.399 was constantly being depreciated. They didn't really understand inflation, or 1442 01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:23.960 they said, well, this has a better interest rate, and 1443 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:27.520 therefore better for him to fight inflation. But they never 1444 01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:31.600 talked about inflation itself and what the long term consequences 1445 01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:34.439 might be over twenty or thirty years for you who 1446 01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:37.760 do everything they recommend, but still in twenty or thirty 1447 01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:42.399 years you have zero because the dollar is zero, and 1448 01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:47.159 things like that. So that's when I decided, hey, somebody 1449 01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:51.720 ought to write a book on this. I looked around 1450 01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:53.720 and there were books on the topic, but they were 1451 01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:56.319 all kind of written from the point of view of 1452 01:25:56.359 --> 01:26:00.399 somebody who wanted to go into banking, they wanted to 1453 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:03.359 be a banker. The book was there on the Federal Reserve, 1454 01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:06.520 how to how to use the Federal Reserve, how it works, 1455 01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:12.319 and the terminology. It was all good, but it didn't 1456 01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:16.479 The books didn't help the average person at all understand 1457 01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:20.159 the fraud that was built into the banking system. 1458 01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:22.079 And not even the bankers. I had a friend of ours, 1459 01:26:22.119 --> 01:26:24.920 and I would make remarks from signing time to time 1460 01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:28.000 about the Federal Reserve, and and we got together and 1461 01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:30.960 he had his brother who was a branch manager at 1462 01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:32.920 a bank. And he says, whatever his name was, I 1463 01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:35.039 don't know Fred or something. I met him once and 1464 01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:37.880 that was it. But he said, Fred, you know, Dave's 1465 01:26:37.880 --> 01:26:40.520 got a lot of issues with Federal Reserve. He said, 1466 01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:43.840 tell him about the Federal Reserve. Because they just cash checks, 1467 01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:49.479 they just processed checks. That's that's that's your understanding of this. 1468 01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:53.079 So yeah, it's that was one of the one of 1469 01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:56.319 the most clueless people I've ever seen in terms of finish. 1470 01:26:56.359 --> 01:26:58.359 I mean, it wasn't even aware of the impact of 1471 01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:02.000 you know, setting interest rates even for example, you know, 1472 01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:02.760 none of it. 1473 01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:05.119 Well, you see, you don't have to understand that to 1474 01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:08.560 make a killing in the banking that's right, you have 1475 01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:10.640 to do just know how to cash checks and move 1476 01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:13.560 the money around. I collect interest, that's right. 1477 01:27:14.159 --> 01:27:16.319 Yeah, that's absolutely So that's. 1478 01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:18.439 How it all started. And so, as I said earlier, 1479 01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:21.239 it's kind of a boring story actually, because it's the 1480 01:27:21.279 --> 01:27:24.199 same thing over and over again, that you'd stumble into 1481 01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:27.279 things that you had no idea where you're headed. And 1482 01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:31.560 if I had had any sense, literally any common sense, 1483 01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:34.800 knowing what I know now, I would never have tackled 1484 01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:38.159 it because it was it was so much over my understanding, 1485 01:27:38.199 --> 01:27:42.359 over my head. I didn't know any of this. Well, 1486 01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:46.479 it's a good thing I didn't know, because I've talked 1487 01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:49.000 to bankers since then, and especially when I get in 1488 01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:52.479 the topic of cancer and things like that. I have 1489 01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:55.279 no medical background. Ye I'm writing a book on cancer 1490 01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.359 therapy and so forth. And I've had people tell me, 1491 01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:01.800 like doctors in particular, or say ed, you had an 1492 01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:06.680 advantage that we didn't have. What what do you mean 1493 01:28:06.680 --> 01:28:08.800 in advantage? How could that be? You went to school, 1494 01:28:09.119 --> 01:28:14.600 That's the advantage we had. We had to unlearn. All 1495 01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:17.279 you had to do was learn. We had to unlearn first. 1496 01:28:18.279 --> 01:28:21.319 Oh yeah, because when you go through the institutions and 1497 01:28:21.319 --> 01:28:24.239 they teach you these things, you believe, you become a 1498 01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:24.840 true believer. 1499 01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:29.439 Rush these people's before we leave the financial stuff. I mean, 1500 01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:31.439 you know, we've got a lot of people looking at 1501 01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:33.960 what is happening now. It looks like, you know, they've 1502 01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:35.960 been kicking this can down the road for a long time. 1503 01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:37.880 Looks like you're getting towards the end of the rope. 1504 01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:40.239 They've openly talked about how they want to re engineer 1505 01:28:40.279 --> 01:28:44.239 the entire financial system. CBDC is on the horizon and 1506 01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:47.640 all the rest of this stuff. You know what in general, 1507 01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:50.079 is your advice to people. I know you're not a 1508 01:28:50.079 --> 01:28:54.199 financial advisor financial advice, but just in general, in terms 1509 01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:57.279 of preparing for what is coming, what would you say 1510 01:28:57.319 --> 01:28:57.680 to people? 1511 01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:05.640 I guess it depends on to whom I'm talking because 1512 01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:09.960 for many people, if you tell them really what's happening, 1513 01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:14.720 it's so beyond their world of understanding that they can't 1514 01:29:15.079 --> 01:29:18.920 they cannot believe it, or if they believe it, they 1515 01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:21.800 don't understand it, so you're wasting your time. You have 1516 01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:27.920 to get depend on who you're talking to. But I 1517 01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:31.680 guess the simplest way to explain it is to be 1518 01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:35.800 totally honest, but to not be dramatic about it. So 1519 01:29:35.880 --> 01:29:38.199 let's see if I can put that together. 1520 01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:41.800 Some pretty dramatic stuff, get you it up, and. 1521 01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:46.039 Then not being too dramatic. What is happening? In my view, 1522 01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:50.760 it is that the old system of money is coming 1523 01:29:50.760 --> 01:29:53.840 to an end. And that's an important fact to know 1524 01:29:54.520 --> 01:29:58.479 because up until now, all you had to know is, well, 1525 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:02.760 what has always worked? You know, like should we should 1526 01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:06.039 we invest in gold or silver or something in coins? 1527 01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:09.359 And there could be arguments pro and con, but the 1528 01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:14.199 most overwriting argument was it's always worked, no matter when 1529 01:30:14.199 --> 01:30:16.760 you look in history, no matter what the problem was, 1530 01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:19.600 those that had gold and silver always came out on top. 1531 01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:25.880 So it's always worked that way. Is a really powerful item, 1532 01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:30.680 but now it isn't in my view, because the system 1533 01:30:30.720 --> 01:30:35.560 itself is changing, where to the point where money will 1534 01:30:35.560 --> 01:30:38.039 no longer even exist in the way that we think 1535 01:30:38.079 --> 01:30:42.359 of it money. The essence of money, in order for 1536 01:30:42.399 --> 01:30:45.359 it to have any use to us is that we 1537 01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:50.640 have to own it. It's got to be our money. 1538 01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:56.119 It's not somebody else's money, because if it's somebody else's money, 1539 01:30:56.279 --> 01:30:59.640 they can just take it back and well, we don't 1540 01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:02.520 have it. And this is what's changing, is the fact 1541 01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:06.119 that and most people don't see this at all. They think, well, 1542 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:07.800 no matter what they come up with, it will be 1543 01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:12.119 dislike it always has been. No. No, Because there's cbcds 1544 01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:15.520 the central Bank digital currencies that all of the nations 1545 01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:19.359 now are committed to adopting in the very near future, 1546 01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:24.119 in the next decade for sure, possibly starting in the 1547 01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:29.920 next year or two. That quality of private ownership is gone. 1548 01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:35.439 That those tokens are whatever they call them, the digital currencies, 1549 01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:40.239 they'll have different names. Whatever the name is, they will 1550 01:31:40.279 --> 01:31:45.319 be owned by the banks, and they'll be allocated to 1551 01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:50.720 you and me and everybody else to use as long 1552 01:31:50.920 --> 01:31:55.039 as we have a good social credit, which means as 1553 01:31:55.119 --> 01:31:59.039 long as we behave according to what they think we. 1554 01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:01.199 Should, are going to be pretty poorly. 1555 01:32:02.079 --> 01:32:05.399 We're going to be out on the street. I'm sitting 1556 01:32:05.479 --> 01:32:08.600 on the curb with a tin cup asking somebody to 1557 01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:11.279 put a coin into the tin cup. But there'll be 1558 01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:17.479 no coins. There are no coins anymore. They're just digital 1559 01:32:18.880 --> 01:32:24.840 impulses in the computer. So forget the cup, and people 1560 01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:28.159 can understand that we're actually approaching a change in the 1561 01:32:28.399 --> 01:32:33.279 entire system. So the rules of what you do are 1562 01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:40.920 different now. I would say, normally, without this upcoming CBCDS 1563 01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:44.319 that we should have a nice stockpile in gold and silver, 1564 01:32:44.479 --> 01:32:47.039 And I still say that, by the way, I have 1565 01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:50.560 not as nice as stockpile as I would like, but 1566 01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:53.920 I have some shekels put away in gold and silver 1567 01:32:54.520 --> 01:32:59.199 and in food and other physical tangibles, other assets that 1568 01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:02.000 people will need and you could use as barter. But 1569 01:33:02.079 --> 01:33:04.520 in terms of how you come out of it okay 1570 01:33:05.079 --> 01:33:08.880 and still maintain your lifestyle, it's a different game. And 1571 01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:11.479 the chances are we're not going to come out of 1572 01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:15.560 it anywhere close to how we went into it, and 1573 01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:18.399 we have to be prepared for that reality. Nobody wants 1574 01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:19.000 to hear that. 1575 01:33:19.359 --> 01:33:21.399 Yes, And I think what we're going to get is 1576 01:33:21.399 --> 01:33:23.680 a heavy dose of reality. You know, it's going to 1577 01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:26.680 be skills, and it's going to be commodities and things 1578 01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:30.680 like that that are going to be negotiable, and you 1579 01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:32.560 know it's going to be really it is going to 1580 01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:34.840 be a reset. And then the question is how do 1581 01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:39.159 we cope with that. I think, you know, in terms 1582 01:33:39.159 --> 01:33:42.920 of people talking about a parallel society, Americans have not 1583 01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:46.359 really had any experience like people in third world countries 1584 01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:49.479 have in terms of operating black markets and things like that. 1585 01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:51.359 But I guess we'll learn pretty quickly. 1586 01:33:52.399 --> 01:33:56.600 Yes, yes, Well, even the black market has a problem 1587 01:33:56.600 --> 01:33:59.600 with it because in order for a black market to work, 1588 01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:03.520 you have to have money that you own, you still have. 1589 01:34:03.680 --> 01:34:05.560 You go into the black market and you have money 1590 01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:07.800 that you can give to somebody who's going to give 1591 01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:10.079 you something, or you can barter. Is the only thing 1592 01:34:10.159 --> 01:34:14.159 border left, and that only works in your local community, 1593 01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:18.119 among people you know and trust. So it doesn't allow 1594 01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:21.079 you to put gas in your car, it doesn't allow 1595 01:34:21.079 --> 01:34:25.479 you to pay your rent, or to buy clothes in 1596 01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:29.920 the big store, the big box stores or anything like that. 1597 01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:34.439 If we don't turn this around and prevent it, we're 1598 01:34:34.479 --> 01:34:38.199 going to be very much like little children who are 1599 01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:45.800 completely dependent on the state for everything, and that includes food, shelter, healthcare, clothing, everything. 1600 01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:51.960 And under those conditions, most people will buckle and they 1601 01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:54.760 will be like slaves in Egypt. 1602 01:34:56.039 --> 01:34:59.319 That's right. The thing that concerns me is that this 1603 01:34:59.399 --> 01:35:02.520 is all based on surveillance, that is their overwriting desire 1604 01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:05.319 to know everything about us. And what concerns me about 1605 01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:09.000 it is how apathetic so many people in our society 1606 01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:15.000 are about privacy and about surveillance and about free speech. 1607 01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:18.319 And you got people, you know, across the political spectrum, 1608 01:35:18.439 --> 01:35:22.159 all these people that are so eager about the election, 1609 01:35:22.279 --> 01:35:24.399 and you see both of these candidates talking about how 1610 01:35:24.399 --> 01:35:26.479 they've got to shut people down that disagree with them. 1611 01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:30.600 And because of that, people downstream from them, we're also 1612 01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:34.119 buying into this kind of censorship stuff. And I think 1613 01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:38.039 if we could develop and get back in respect for 1614 01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:40.840 free speech and for privacy and things like that, that 1615 01:35:40.960 --> 01:35:45.000 really has to be fundamental as a guard against some 1616 01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:47.520 of this stuff, because that really is the essence of 1617 01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:49.600 how their controls are going to run out against us. 1618 01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:53.279 What do you think, Well, you're a pretty correct and 1619 01:35:53.439 --> 01:35:57.399 really which we have to be dealing with ideas and ideas. 1620 01:35:57.159 --> 01:35:59.560 That's the basis of our war. This is a war 1621 01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:02.319 of ideas, is I mean? Yet, they have these powerful 1622 01:36:02.359 --> 01:36:06.640 weapons that frighten us and can be used to eliminate us, 1623 01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:09.239 and that's the ultimate weapon, of course, But in the 1624 01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:13.319 meantime they're conquering us not with weapons. They're conquering us 1625 01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:17.960 with fear of weapons. And that fear of weapons makes 1626 01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:21.479 us very compliant. And of course if they didn't have 1627 01:36:21.479 --> 01:36:24.479 the weapons, we wouldn't be afraid of them, that is true, 1628 01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:27.800 but they could pretend like they have the weapons, and 1629 01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:30.279 that's often what has happened in the past. Is you 1630 01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:34.560 probably know in Russia, particularly in the Soviet Union, they 1631 01:36:34.560 --> 01:36:38.039 would parade these huge missiles in the street on trucks. 1632 01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:41.079 You know, they were like eighty feet long, and these 1633 01:36:41.119 --> 01:36:46.760 huge missiles like we send to the Moon were supposedly 1634 01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:53.479 I don't know what to think about that one, but 1635 01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:55.920 those weren't really missiles at all. I'm told that they 1636 01:36:55.920 --> 01:36:58.840 were just you know, made of wood and painted up 1637 01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:02.439 and so forth. But Americans, oh, look, they got missiles too, 1638 01:37:03.039 --> 01:37:06.239 and there was the fear of missiles, not the missiles themselves, 1639 01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:10.439 that caused us to not confront the Soviet Union and 1640 01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:14.920 try and make friends with them and abandon our own 1641 01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:19.760 interests and so forth. So this can parade, right, yeah, exactly. 1642 01:37:20.319 --> 01:37:22.560 So anyway, this is new and I guess that's my 1643 01:37:22.640 --> 01:37:26.359 message that the old answers to that question are not 1644 01:37:26.479 --> 01:37:29.560 reliable anymore. But that still doesn't mean you shouldn't give 1645 01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:31.960 them up. I mean you shouldn't use them, I should say, 1646 01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:37.880 because I think that even though even though we didn't 1647 01:37:38.039 --> 01:37:40.880 don't have money because we're not obedient enough and they 1648 01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:43.920 cut us down, and we did have coins, we could 1649 01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:47.960 probably find somebody whould take silver coins if they're small denomination, 1650 01:37:48.600 --> 01:37:52.199 and gold coins in return for food or something that 1651 01:37:52.239 --> 01:37:55.119 they have a little surplus on in their homes. But 1652 01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:59.399 this is not living, This is not surviving. This is slavery. 1653 01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:02.439 And I think, though, if we fall back on the 1654 01:38:02.479 --> 01:38:04.640 fact that what's going to get us through this one 1655 01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:07.399 way or the other is going to be the ideas, 1656 01:38:07.520 --> 01:38:09.239 it's going to be the principles on which we base 1657 01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:12.039 our life. I think people who have relationship with Christ 1658 01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:13.800 are going to have a foundation that's going to carry 1659 01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:17.279 them through this stuff, and it's going to be very difficult. 1660 01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:21.159 If you don't have something like that, you are going 1661 01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:23.479 to If you don't have any the sand is going 1662 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:25.479 to be shifting, the earth is going to be quaking. 1663 01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:28.000 And if there isn't some foundation that is rock solid 1664 01:38:28.039 --> 01:38:31.479 in your life, and if they've got you, afraid they've 1665 01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:34.039 got you. And that's what we saw four years ago. 1666 01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:38.039 That was really a panic and fear. But that brings 1667 01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:41.199 me to the medical stuff because I don't want to 1668 01:38:41.239 --> 01:38:44.079 finish the interview without having you talk about the book 1669 01:38:44.199 --> 01:38:47.760 World Without Cancer. I think this is really a time 1670 01:38:47.800 --> 01:38:52.000 for people's eyes to be open to this because prior 1671 01:38:52.119 --> 01:38:54.760 to what happened in twenty twenty, a lot of people 1672 01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:57.840 were taken in by the white coats. Remember when they 1673 01:38:57.920 --> 01:39:00.319 first started this thing, you had a public health person 1674 01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:02.640 come out. I played that clip over and over again. 1675 01:39:03.079 --> 01:39:05.560 Comes out to the podium, But before the person who's 1676 01:39:05.560 --> 01:39:07.680 going to speak comes out of the podium, they had 1677 01:39:08.359 --> 01:39:10.560 six people come out, three on each side, all them 1678 01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:12.800 in white coats, and they march out in a line 1679 01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:14.239 and three of them stand on one side of the 1680 01:39:14.279 --> 01:39:16.119 podium and three of them. So look at this, that 1681 01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:18.640 just putting this in your face, like we got white 1682 01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:22.279 lab coats, were medical and we have authority, so listen 1683 01:39:22.319 --> 01:39:25.359 to us. And I think people have seen that now 1684 01:39:25.640 --> 01:39:28.720 as a fraud and they have seen the self interest 1685 01:39:28.760 --> 01:39:31.760 in all of this stuff, so they're open to questioning 1686 01:39:32.279 --> 01:39:34.840 the authorities on this. And I'm sure you know you 1687 01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:38.960 must have quite a story behind A World Without Cancer, 1688 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:41.920 because I know they came after Latrill and B seventeen 1689 01:39:41.960 --> 01:39:45.319 and Migdalena that in a very very heavy way. I 1690 01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:47.720 didn't realize that you had written this book until I 1691 01:39:47.800 --> 01:39:52.199 interviewed John Richardson at RNC store dot com and when 1692 01:39:52.199 --> 01:39:53.840 he was talking about the books that they have there 1693 01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:57.000 and about your book especially. That's one of the main 1694 01:39:57.079 --> 01:39:59.319 reasons I wanted to get you on because this is 1695 01:39:59.399 --> 01:40:02.760 so key and it is a time that people are 1696 01:40:02.800 --> 01:40:04.520 ripe to hear this message. Tell us a little bit 1697 01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:05.800 about that. How you got into it? 1698 01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:13.319 Well, there you go again, How did I get into it? Well, 1699 01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:18.079 John Richardson, senior Doctor Richardson and I were very close 1700 01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:22.000 friends that we had both worked together on projects in 1701 01:40:22.079 --> 01:40:26.199 the Birch Society and he put up some money to 1702 01:40:26.359 --> 01:40:29.279 open up a little bookstore in the San Francisco area, 1703 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:31.920 and that's where I got involved, because I was with 1704 01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:35.199 the Birch Society in those days. But we soon developed 1705 01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:40.119 a personal friendship that went well beyond that. And it 1706 01:40:40.199 --> 01:40:42.840 got to the point where after a while, we want 1707 01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:45.800 to get away from the routreet, the regular routine of 1708 01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:48.760 our daily lives, and we'd like to get away from 1709 01:40:48.840 --> 01:40:51.439 town to go out in the countryside and tell people 1710 01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:53.960 we're going fishing or something like that. But we just 1711 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:58.359 go out and talk and do some hiking in the hills. 1712 01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:03.560 And one day we're out doing that and and doctor 1713 01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:07.239 John says to me, Ed, I need your help. I 1714 01:41:07.319 --> 01:41:10.199 need your he had he took his briefcase with him 1715 01:41:10.199 --> 01:41:10.720 on that trip. 1716 01:41:10.760 --> 01:41:11.319 I thought was. 1717 01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:14.479 Strange, and he opened up this. He opened up his 1718 01:41:14.520 --> 01:41:17.359 briefcase and pulled out some papers and fumbled through them. 1719 01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:20.399 He said, I'm trying to write an article for the 1720 01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:24.239 local newspaper or magazine and I need your help writing. 1721 01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:26.720 Could you help me? I said, well, sure, of course, 1722 01:41:26.720 --> 01:41:28.920 that's what I do. You're you're the doctor. If I 1723 01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:31.840 get sick, you help me. I'm the writer. And if 1724 01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:34.399 you're silly enough to ask me to help you with 1725 01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:38.880 the writing, and so he said, Well, I asked him, 1726 01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:40.279 I said, what is it? I said, well, I'm in 1727 01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:44.680 trouble with the local medical association. They're threatening to take 1728 01:41:44.720 --> 01:41:48.279 away my license. I said, what did you do? You know, 1729 01:41:48.479 --> 01:41:52.359 like the typical what did you do wrong? Yeah, well, 1730 01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:55.439 this is what I'm doing wrong. Is I'm saving lives? 1731 01:41:57.479 --> 01:41:58.119 Oh, this was? 1732 01:41:58.600 --> 01:41:59.000 This was. 1733 01:41:59.359 --> 01:42:01.239 Now we've seen that story over and over again. People 1734 01:42:01.239 --> 01:42:03.840 are ready to hear this and understand what's behind it. 1735 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:06.159 Yeah, I said, what do you mean? So naturally he 1736 01:42:06.199 --> 01:42:08.319 told me the story. He says. He said, I'm an eye, 1737 01:42:08.359 --> 01:42:11.039 ear nose, and throat specialist, as you know, but I've 1738 01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:15.760 been getting people with cancer throughout their body the systemic, 1739 01:42:16.239 --> 01:42:18.760 and they want me to treat them because they hear 1740 01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:22.039 that I've got something that works. And I said, well 1741 01:42:22.039 --> 01:42:27.239 do you He said, yeah, I do. Well tell me 1742 01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:30.199 about it. So that's how the start the whole thing started. 1743 01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:33.119 He said, Well, I found out there's a substance that's 1744 01:42:33.159 --> 01:42:35.840 found in nature that I didn't believe in at first, 1745 01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:38.720 but my office manager convinced me to look into it. 1746 01:42:38.920 --> 01:42:42.239 So I did. This is a substance as accurs in nature, 1747 01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:46.479 and if you eat it, it turns out to be 1748 01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:51.880 a natural control or prevention, a natural resistance against cancer. 1749 01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:55.359 I said, how can that be? He said, well, I'm 1750 01:42:55.399 --> 01:42:56.680 not sure how it can be, but I know that 1751 01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:59.039 it works. So he's told me the story of this 1752 01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:02.079 amignalant or lay is the more popular name for it. 1753 01:43:02.760 --> 01:43:06.800 That's found in some twelve hundred edible plants actually, but anyway, 1754 01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:12.039 it's primarily found for commercial purposes in apricot seeds and 1755 01:43:12.159 --> 01:43:17.560 peach seeds and any fruit in the Roseatia family has 1756 01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:21.399 this stuff called amygdalen in It is bitter to the taste, 1757 01:43:21.800 --> 01:43:24.439 and that's why most people in the Western world or 1758 01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:28.319 in affluent societies don't like to eat foods that have 1759 01:43:28.439 --> 01:43:31.560 this substance in it, because it's bitter. If you've ever 1760 01:43:31.640 --> 01:43:34.039 bitten into an apple seed, you know what I'm talking about, 1761 01:43:34.520 --> 01:43:39.239 that's the flavor. And he said, that stuff, in low quantities, 1762 01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:44.000 it looks like it's a natural control for cancer. And 1763 01:43:44.039 --> 01:43:46.520 he told me the story. All right, this gets interesting 1764 01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:50.359 in the details. He had a dog that had cancer 1765 01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:53.119 and he was about to put the dog down because 1766 01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:56.720 you know, he tried chemotherapy and everything else on the 1767 01:43:56.720 --> 01:44:00.119 dog that the doctors do and it wasn't working. The 1768 01:44:00.119 --> 01:44:03.640 dog was getting sicker. And when he heard about this, 1769 01:44:03.640 --> 01:44:05.800 he says, I tried to use I decided to use 1770 01:44:05.840 --> 01:44:08.359 this substance on the dog, and he said, blow me down. 1771 01:44:08.359 --> 01:44:11.199 The dog got well real fast, and I couldn't believe it. 1772 01:44:11.560 --> 01:44:14.680 I'd never seen that happen before. And then the next 1773 01:44:14.680 --> 01:44:16.479 part of the story is that he said his nurse 1774 01:44:17.119 --> 01:44:21.640 came to him, his head nurse, whose husband had terminal cancer, 1775 01:44:22.199 --> 01:44:25.479 and she said, doctor John, you know my husband is 1776 01:44:25.520 --> 01:44:27.600 not going to last very much longer. And I saw 1777 01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:32.279 what happened to the dog. Would you please do that 1778 01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:36.000 for my husband? Oh? And he said, well, sure, I'd 1779 01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:39.279 be glad to, but don't tell anybody because it's not approved, 1780 01:44:39.319 --> 01:44:44.000 you know, for human use. And he tried it on 1781 01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:47.960 her husband and he got well, this is how it 1782 01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:51.279 all started. And so John said, I started using it 1783 01:44:51.439 --> 01:44:55.640 very very cautiously and very low dose aages and very suspiciously, 1784 01:44:56.520 --> 01:44:59.640 making sure that I was not risking anybody's life, using 1785 01:44:59.680 --> 01:45:02.359 it only on people who really had terminal cancer to 1786 01:45:02.399 --> 01:45:05.399 start off with. And he said, I was getting way 1787 01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:11.159 way better results than anybody I know. But the word 1788 01:45:11.159 --> 01:45:11.479 got out. 1789 01:45:11.479 --> 01:45:11.720 He said. 1790 01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:13.840 I never advertised it and never talked much about it 1791 01:45:14.079 --> 01:45:17.319 because I knew what the establishment would say about it. 1792 01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:21.199 It was quackery or something like that. But the word 1793 01:45:21.239 --> 01:45:25.359 got out because these patients that are dancing out of 1794 01:45:25.399 --> 01:45:30.399 the office when they came in on a gurney, they 1795 01:45:30.479 --> 01:45:34.119 talk about it. And so patients started coming to his clinic. 1796 01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:36.720 And it was no longer by this time an eye, 1797 01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:39.600 ear nose, and throat clinic. It was a cancer clinic 1798 01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:41.920 and people were coming from all over the world. And 1799 01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:44.439 I didn't know that at that time. So that's the 1800 01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:47.840 story he told me. And he said, now the medical 1801 01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:50.800 professionists found out about it, and they threatened me that 1802 01:45:50.840 --> 01:45:53.399 if I don't stop this immediately, they're going to take 1803 01:45:53.399 --> 01:45:57.880 my license. And he said, I need to tell the story. 1804 01:45:57.880 --> 01:46:01.159 Will you help me write it? I said, sure, that 1805 01:46:01.199 --> 01:46:06.199 sounds interesting. I thought it would be a three day project, 1806 01:46:06.760 --> 01:46:08.800 you know, just to read about it a little bit 1807 01:46:08.840 --> 01:46:11.479 and ask a few questions and then just write it up. 1808 01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:15.760 But it turned out to be I don't know, a 1809 01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:21.880 three year project, yeah, something like that. And it changed 1810 01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:24.239 my life. It just changed my life. I wouldn't be 1811 01:46:24.279 --> 01:46:29.880 here today if I hadn't learned about that, because it 1812 01:46:31.479 --> 01:46:40.159 made me realize that almost everything that we think, we 1813 01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:45.520 know that it's really important in our lives is a lie. 1814 01:46:47.439 --> 01:46:52.600 When I realized that money was a lie, and now 1815 01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:56.760 I found out that cancer treatments were a lie, what's 1816 01:46:56.840 --> 01:47:04.279 more important than that? Yes, that changed my life, and 1817 01:47:04.399 --> 01:47:07.720 in my own family, I've seen we have some members 1818 01:47:07.760 --> 01:47:10.800 of our family that are alive because of the treatments. 1819 01:47:11.239 --> 01:47:13.640 So I wrote the book. It took me quite a while. 1820 01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:17.439 I sat at the at the feet of listening to 1821 01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:21.960 the great, the great scientists and doctors who really knew 1822 01:47:21.960 --> 01:47:26.279 about this stuff. Doctor Richison was very open about it. 1823 01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:29.960 And of course I met the originator of this whole treatment, 1824 01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:33.960 who was doctor Ernst T. Krebs Junior, who was the 1825 01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:36.520 inventor of all that, or not the inventor, but the 1826 01:47:36.560 --> 01:47:40.159 discoverer of the chemical and use and pioneer and using 1827 01:47:40.159 --> 01:47:43.800 it for cancer. And I sat in his office many 1828 01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:46.880 many an hour. He's a portly gentleman. He was sit 1829 01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:50.079 back and he put his fingers together and said, well, 1830 01:47:50.159 --> 01:47:52.680 let me think about that for a moment, and. 1831 01:47:53.319 --> 01:47:55.000 He'd go off of how did he discover it? 1832 01:47:56.159 --> 01:48:00.640 How did he discover well, okay, his father was a d. 1833 01:48:01.199 --> 01:48:04.239 He was not an MD doctor. He had his PhD 1834 01:48:04.319 --> 01:48:08.960 degree from some smaller institution, which they liked to hold 1835 01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:11.560 it against him because it wasn't from It wasn't from 1836 01:48:11.680 --> 01:48:16.199 Harbor or something like that. He was a PhD. But 1837 01:48:16.279 --> 01:48:19.239 his doctor was a pioneer in that. So his doctor 1838 01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:23.159 and his father and he worked together on all kinds 1839 01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:31.920 of herbal constructions from nature because they had already discovered 1840 01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:34.279 in their minds that nature has the cure, not the 1841 01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:38.760 test tube. So that's where they were experimenting. And they 1842 01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:42.039 found that the use of leatrill or the substance. Now 1843 01:48:42.039 --> 01:48:44.119 there's this whole big story behind it. So that's what 1844 01:48:44.159 --> 01:48:46.800 the book was about. I'll just give you one quick example. 1845 01:48:47.239 --> 01:48:49.520 One of the clues to this was the fact that 1846 01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:53.760 in the Midwest, it was quite common for farmers to 1847 01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:57.920 see that their cows would develop cancers of the mouth 1848 01:48:58.079 --> 01:49:01.079 and lips and so forth and other parts of their 1849 01:49:01.079 --> 01:49:03.880 bodies in the winter time, but they would usually go 1850 01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:08.079 away in the spring. And they said, why is that. 1851 01:49:08.119 --> 01:49:10.720 There must be something about the weather, you know. Well, 1852 01:49:11.479 --> 01:49:15.119 then they got to observing that it happened shortly after 1853 01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:18.560 the green sprouts came up through the snow in the 1854 01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:20.920 spring when the snow started to melt, and the first 1855 01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:24.039 green grasses started to come up through the snow, and 1856 01:49:24.079 --> 01:49:26.800 the cows would eat the green grasses. And it turns 1857 01:49:26.840 --> 01:49:30.640 out these broad leaf grasses are very rich sources of amignalant. 1858 01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:33.560 So that was the kind of clues that they had. 1859 01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:37.359 How they discovered this is by you know, scientific method, 1860 01:49:38.119 --> 01:49:42.920 and so anyway, that's how it started. And so John 1861 01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:45.880 asked me to help him write the article, and I did, 1862 01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:50.720 and that led to the book and and. 1863 01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:55.199 Then what happened. I bet they when we look at 1864 01:49:55.239 --> 01:49:57.399 what happened in the last few years, if anybody comes 1865 01:49:57.479 --> 01:49:59.359 up with any treatment other than the one that they've 1866 01:49:59.399 --> 01:50:01.600 decided they're going to sell you, they come after you 1867 01:50:01.640 --> 01:50:04.760 in every way. We've seen that with ivermectin HQ, anything 1868 01:50:04.800 --> 01:50:07.680 else that anybody comes up with, and so everybody this 1869 01:50:07.720 --> 01:50:10.399 has been on public display now. But you lived this. 1870 01:50:10.479 --> 01:50:12.960 I guess the book was written in nineteen seventy. You've 1871 01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:15.600 done an update I think in twenty ten or something 1872 01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:18.720 like that, but you know this is back in sixties, 1873 01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:20.479 I guess where this is happening. But you know, when 1874 01:50:20.479 --> 01:50:23.720 you were publishing it. So what happened after you published this? 1875 01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:24.880 What was a firestorm? 1876 01:50:27.119 --> 01:50:30.960 Well that's an interesting story. I published it and we 1877 01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:33.039 sold it as a little I had a little publishing 1878 01:50:33.079 --> 01:50:36.800 company by then, American Media, and we had a break 1879 01:50:37.079 --> 01:50:40.600 brisk sale on it. And I went to a book 1880 01:50:42.119 --> 01:50:45.680 convention in San Francisco shortly after the book was published, 1881 01:50:46.319 --> 01:50:48.039 and that's where all the biggies came. You know, these 1882 01:50:48.079 --> 01:50:54.000 big exhibits that half a block wide, and let's see 1883 01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:56.960 which one, which one was it? It was the little 1884 01:50:57.840 --> 01:51:03.039 pocket Books Bantam Banham Bandham was there, and I thought, well, 1885 01:51:03.119 --> 01:51:07.600 maybe we could convince Badham to reprint this and put 1886 01:51:07.600 --> 01:51:09.760 it on the big market. So it just so happened. 1887 01:51:09.800 --> 01:51:12.720 On the morning of the first day. The president of 1888 01:51:12.840 --> 01:51:16.359 Bantam was there on the floor when I was there, 1889 01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:19.359 and I saw this cluster of people around him, so 1890 01:51:19.439 --> 01:51:24.760 I thought I'll get in line. So I did, and 1891 01:51:25.920 --> 01:51:27.960 so I went up shook his hand. I said, I'll 1892 01:51:27.960 --> 01:51:30.039 make this short. Mister Smith or whatever his name was. 1893 01:51:30.199 --> 01:51:32.520 I said, we have this book here on lea trill 1894 01:51:32.560 --> 01:51:34.800 and it is carrying cancer. You probably have heard about 1895 01:51:34.800 --> 01:51:37.359 it the newspapers. There's a big controversy over it. And 1896 01:51:37.399 --> 01:51:39.359 I'd like to give you a copy and see if 1897 01:51:39.399 --> 01:51:42.039 it sounds like it's something that Bantam would like to 1898 01:51:42.119 --> 01:51:44.439 run with. So he gave it to his assistant who 1899 01:51:44.479 --> 01:51:46.319 was standing next to him, and he said, y oh, well, 1900 01:51:46.319 --> 01:51:48.840 we look at this. Well. They called me later in 1901 01:51:48.840 --> 01:51:51.319 the afternoon and they wanted to have dinner with me 1902 01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:55.720 and they wanted to talk to me about printing the book. So, 1903 01:51:56.000 --> 01:52:00.560 make a long story short, we did. You signed a contract. Wow, 1904 01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:03.359 we got banned them to publish our book. And they 1905 01:52:03.880 --> 01:52:05.720 put it out. They made it a they had a 1906 01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:08.439 special name for it. It was a special edition that 1907 01:52:08.640 --> 01:52:11.199 they can produce a book in I think it's forty 1908 01:52:11.199 --> 01:52:12.680 eight hours something like that. 1909 01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:13.239 Wow. 1910 01:52:13.279 --> 01:52:15.560 And they just work around the clock. They have teams 1911 01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:18.359 of people and they work twenty four hours to get 1912 01:52:18.359 --> 01:52:22.279 the thing out in forty eight hours or something like that. 1913 01:52:22.720 --> 01:52:25.119 And they did that with this book, and it went 1914 01:52:25.159 --> 01:52:28.119 on the book stands and it was selling like hotcakes. 1915 01:52:28.920 --> 01:52:31.840 And then all of a sudden, we got this message 1916 01:52:31.920 --> 01:52:35.399 that this out of print. Nobody can get the books 1917 01:52:35.399 --> 01:52:38.600 out of print, and so we checked it out. Sure enough, 1918 01:52:38.600 --> 01:52:40.199 it's out of print. How come it's out of print? 1919 01:52:40.600 --> 01:52:43.479 And I called the publisher and well, there's no demand 1920 01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:43.800 for it. 1921 01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:47.279 Nobody. 1922 01:52:47.319 --> 01:52:50.520 They mean there's no demand. The bookstores are clamoring for it. Well, 1923 01:52:50.520 --> 01:52:53.560 our statistics show there's no demand for it. Well, we 1924 01:52:53.600 --> 01:52:56.239 couldn't convince them otherwise. They just didn't want to reprint it. 1925 01:52:56.439 --> 01:52:58.479 So it was clear that somebody on the board of 1926 01:52:58.560 --> 01:53:01.560 directors at banned them. Got the word, Hey, you guys 1927 01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:05.439 made a big mistake. You published the wrong book, and 1928 01:53:05.600 --> 01:53:08.960 so we were we were clamped out. We had one 1929 01:53:09.039 --> 01:53:12.600 printing and that was it. It was glorious for a 1930 01:53:12.600 --> 01:53:15.800 few weeks, but after that it was dead in the door. 1931 01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:19.840 Now, story of my life. You talk about the pharmaceutical companies, 1932 01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:22.880 they come after you and they get you shut down. Uh, yeah, 1933 01:53:22.960 --> 01:53:25.640 it is. It is amazing. But again, you know, people 1934 01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:29.199 can find that at RNC store dot com. I know 1935 01:53:29.319 --> 01:53:32.800 that he sells it there. And very important for people 1936 01:53:32.840 --> 01:53:36.439 to take control of their life, to question what they 1937 01:53:36.439 --> 01:53:40.520 have been taught and to think critically. And that really 1938 01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:42.880 has been the story of your life. I think questioning 1939 01:53:43.079 --> 01:53:47.800 what a lot of people just accept as fact. And 1940 01:53:48.319 --> 01:53:52.079 you have done your research and you gave people your opinion, 1941 01:53:52.119 --> 01:53:55.600 and I think when their response is to just shut 1942 01:53:55.640 --> 01:53:59.720 things down. That's something of an endorsement of your research. 1943 01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:00.720 I think. 1944 01:54:02.800 --> 01:54:02.840 You. 1945 01:54:03.319 --> 01:54:05.920 Yeah, in sort of a backward way, that's a pretty 1946 01:54:05.920 --> 01:54:10.640 good recommendations. I've been centered by the best. 1947 01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:16.079 That's right. Well, tell us about the Red Pill University 1948 01:54:16.079 --> 01:54:18.880 and the Red Expo, which is coming up November sixteenth 1949 01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:20.680 through seventeenth, right, tell us little bit about it. 1950 01:54:20.760 --> 01:54:23.960 Yes, that's a big flagship event. We started the Red 1951 01:54:23.960 --> 01:54:29.319 Pill expos in twenty seventeen and they've been just roaring successes. 1952 01:54:29.399 --> 01:54:32.399 We were very skeptical about it at first because you 1953 01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:35.159 know the red Pill meme. In case there's anybody listening 1954 01:54:35.319 --> 01:54:38.720 that doesn't know what that means. It's based on a 1955 01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:42.760 sci fi movie it's about twenty one years ago now 1956 01:54:43.039 --> 01:54:45.920 called The Matrix, and the whole theme of the story 1957 01:54:46.039 --> 01:54:49.720 was that humans were now living in a fantasy world. 1958 01:54:49.760 --> 01:54:52.960 They were all wired up to machines and they were 1959 01:54:53.039 --> 01:54:56.359 dreaming about their lives. They weren't really living them, and 1960 01:54:57.479 --> 01:55:00.640 they thought they were going to work every day, They 1961 01:55:00.640 --> 01:55:04.119 thought they were raising a family, going on vacation, eating 1962 01:55:04.159 --> 01:55:06.520 meals and so on. But it was all programmed into 1963 01:55:06.520 --> 01:55:11.239 their minds and they were controlled by the Matrix. That's 1964 01:55:11.279 --> 01:55:17.520 what they called it. There was this computerized reality, and 1965 01:55:17.560 --> 01:55:19.000 the only way to get out of that was to 1966 01:55:19.039 --> 01:55:21.640 take the red pill. There was the blue pill, which 1967 01:55:21.640 --> 01:55:24.039 you could take if you chose to, which would put 1968 01:55:24.039 --> 01:55:29.479 you back into the illusion, but to get out of 1969 01:55:29.479 --> 01:55:31.479 the illusion, you had to take the red pill. It 1970 01:55:31.479 --> 01:55:33.720 turns out that many people chose the blue pill because 1971 01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:37.640 it was more comfortable. They'd rather not know that they 1972 01:55:37.920 --> 01:55:41.119 were wired up to a machine. They'd rather think they 1973 01:55:41.159 --> 01:55:44.039 were living a normal life. It was more pleasant than 1974 01:55:44.119 --> 01:55:47.439 knowing that you had to fight the matrix to exist, 1975 01:55:48.039 --> 01:55:50.920 So it was kind of a good parallel to the reality. 1976 01:55:51.199 --> 01:55:53.079 So we thought we would call this the Red Pill 1977 01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:57.560 Expo and deal with topics like that that We wanted 1978 01:55:57.560 --> 01:56:03.680 to expose the reality that's underneath the illusions. And as 1979 01:56:03.680 --> 01:56:05.680 I said a moment ago, it seems like the more 1980 01:56:05.720 --> 01:56:09.039 important something is, the more likely it is that we 1981 01:56:09.079 --> 01:56:12.600 are in illusions about it, because it's to somebody's best 1982 01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:15.720 interest to do that to us. Yes, they profit from 1983 01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:19.399 our naivety and our false beliefs. 1984 01:56:19.600 --> 01:56:21.680 Now where can they well go to get this as 1985 01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:22.399 you've got read. 1986 01:56:22.359 --> 01:56:25.920 Well, yeah, right, yeah. We have done physical events from 1987 01:56:25.960 --> 01:56:29.239 the beginning and they were very well attended and very successful. 1988 01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:32.439 But this time around we've decided to go one hundred 1989 01:56:32.479 --> 01:56:36.159 percent live stream, primarily so that we can cut expenses 1990 01:56:36.199 --> 01:56:39.840 on the overall production and make the event absolutely free 1991 01:56:40.119 --> 01:56:42.640 instead of having to charge tickets for it, because we 1992 01:56:42.680 --> 01:56:44.800 want this is not about money, it's about getting the 1993 01:56:44.840 --> 01:56:47.560 word out. So that's what we're doing this time and 1994 01:56:48.159 --> 01:56:51.199 it's working pretty well. We're very impressed by the response, 1995 01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:54.560 but we want as many people this is globally now 1996 01:56:54.560 --> 01:56:56.880 around the world to sign up for it, and you 1997 01:56:56.920 --> 01:56:59.359 can find all the information who's going to be speaking, 1998 01:56:59.760 --> 01:57:03.000 what the events are, what the topics are, and a 1999 01:57:03.039 --> 01:57:07.239 lot of insights us to the themes and so forth on 2000 01:57:07.439 --> 01:57:13.479 redpillexpo dot org. Okay, redpillexpo dot org. So sign up. 2001 01:57:13.520 --> 01:57:15.880 It's free, and we do have an option for those 2002 01:57:15.880 --> 01:57:18.319 that want to come in on a VIP basis that 2003 01:57:18.439 --> 01:57:21.199 gets some extra goodies if they want to do that, 2004 01:57:21.680 --> 01:57:25.840 like they can ask questions of the speakers, and we've 2005 01:57:25.840 --> 01:57:28.119 got a raffle going on and all that kind of thing. 2006 01:57:28.439 --> 01:57:30.199 It would be nice to be able to pay the bills, 2007 01:57:30.239 --> 01:57:33.880 but we want this free if necessary, to anybody that 2008 01:57:34.159 --> 01:57:36.960 can't afford ten or twenty dollars or whatever it is 2009 01:57:37.159 --> 01:57:40.159 as a donation. It's free. That's what our goal is. 2010 01:57:40.239 --> 01:57:43.279 You see good. And one other question I've got about it. 2011 01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:44.920 I see that you've got a new book coming out 2012 01:57:45.359 --> 01:57:48.439 that's coming up. How it's called The Chasm, The Issue 2013 01:57:48.439 --> 01:57:50.760 Behind All Issues? When is that coming out? 2014 01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:54.199 Well, the latter part is a tough one. Yes, I 2015 01:57:54.239 --> 01:57:56.359 do have a new book. It's been coming out. It's 2016 01:57:56.399 --> 01:57:59.439 been coming out ever since the day after nine to eleven. Actually, 2017 01:58:01.880 --> 01:58:04.359 that's what I started. That's what I started to write 2018 01:58:04.359 --> 01:58:07.119 it the day after nine to eleven. That was you 2019 01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:12.000 talk about a red pill. Yeah, oh yeah. But the 2020 01:58:12.680 --> 01:58:19.520 whole purpose of the book is to provide historical support 2021 01:58:20.439 --> 01:58:24.399 for the fact that our war today that we're in 2022 01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:29.199 is a war of ideas. It's an ideological war. And 2023 01:58:29.239 --> 01:58:31.960 it's not between the left and the right. It's not 2024 01:58:32.039 --> 01:58:35.720 between the Republicans and the Democrats, or the Liberals and 2025 01:58:35.760 --> 01:58:39.479 the Conservatives, or the Nazis or the Communists or the 2026 01:58:39.520 --> 01:58:43.520 socialists or all of these labels that we've been given 2027 01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:48.199 to worry about. It's not the Masons, it's not the Catholics, 2028 01:58:48.199 --> 01:58:50.640 it's not the Jews, it's not the Black people. It's 2029 01:58:50.680 --> 01:58:54.960 not the Christians, it's not the Muslims. All these divisions 2030 01:58:54.960 --> 01:58:57.119 they want to get us focused on. You know, it's 2031 01:58:57.119 --> 01:59:01.119 not about any of that. Those all little sub sections 2032 01:59:01.159 --> 01:59:07.079 play a part in it. But the overwriting, controlling, dominating 2033 01:59:07.600 --> 01:59:10.399 force behind it all is an idea, and it's a 2034 01:59:10.439 --> 01:59:15.000 conflict of ideas, I should say, between something called collectivism 2035 01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:20.319 and individualism. I found out in my research that those 2036 01:59:20.359 --> 01:59:24.399 words were well known and used quite extensively one hundred 2037 01:59:24.479 --> 01:59:27.399 years ago. You find them in the old books and 2038 01:59:27.439 --> 01:59:31.640 in old newspapers too, But modern now it's all been scrubbed, 2039 01:59:31.880 --> 01:59:35.640 and for good reason, because those two words, as strange 2040 01:59:35.640 --> 01:59:38.159 as they are to the ears of most people today, 2041 01:59:38.880 --> 01:59:44.520 are fully describing the conflict between left and right. And 2042 01:59:44.560 --> 01:59:46.439 you know all these things we mentioned before. When you 2043 01:59:46.479 --> 01:59:50.520 peel off the labels, you find it's collectivism versus individualism, 2044 01:59:51.159 --> 01:59:53.560 and so are what are the what is that? How 2045 01:59:53.560 --> 01:59:57.439 do you define that? And that's what this booklet is 2046 01:59:57.479 --> 01:59:59.880 all about, is I took all the issues in the 2047 02:00:00.239 --> 02:00:04.159 in the big book that I'm working on to illustrate 2048 02:00:04.199 --> 02:00:07.920 support for these principles. I've taken just the principles themselves 2049 02:00:08.239 --> 02:00:11.079 and put them into a fifty page document, and I'm 2050 02:00:11.159 --> 02:00:13.800 giving them away free because I'm afraid I'm not going 2051 02:00:13.880 --> 02:00:16.840 to live long enough to get this bloody book finished. 2052 02:00:17.000 --> 02:00:19.960 Although I'm making progress, I want to get these principles 2053 02:00:19.960 --> 02:00:24.880 out now. So about ten months ago we made this 2054 02:00:24.960 --> 02:00:28.760 little booklet here. This is fifty pages. It's the chasm 2055 02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:33.039 collectivism versus individualism, and it's everything I have learned about 2056 02:00:33.079 --> 02:00:36.199 those two topics. It's all there and type and we've 2057 02:00:36.199 --> 02:00:38.880 got some good illustrations. You can see those in the back. 2058 02:00:39.359 --> 02:00:42.239 Sure of illustrate the points that we're making. I think 2059 02:00:43.520 --> 02:00:48.319 I have found few, very few open minded people, and 2060 02:00:48.359 --> 02:00:52.880 that's hard to define, but very few people who I 2061 02:00:52.880 --> 02:00:55.439 would have continued to be on the other side politically 2062 02:00:56.359 --> 02:00:59.840 from my position that after reading this and going over 2063 02:00:59.880 --> 02:01:02.640 the these principles, doesn't come to the point where they say, 2064 02:01:02.720 --> 02:01:06.920 hmm hmm, I guess I've been an individualist all along 2065 02:01:07.000 --> 02:01:11.000 and didn't know it. It's that simple, it's that clear. 2066 02:01:11.920 --> 02:01:15.319 We get to thinking of Well, let me back up. 2067 02:01:17.079 --> 02:01:25.239 The mantra of collectivism is this, the individual must be sacrificed. Yeah, 2068 02:01:25.840 --> 02:01:29.800 I fully stated, is the group is more important than 2069 02:01:29.800 --> 02:01:34.199 the individual and the individual must be sacrificed if necessary, 2070 02:01:35.000 --> 02:01:37.199 or the greater good of the greater number. 2071 02:01:38.000 --> 02:01:40.239 Why didn't we see that with public health and all 2072 02:01:40.239 --> 02:01:43.560 the rest is with everything? Yeah, I know that with everything. 2073 02:01:44.279 --> 02:01:46.720 That's a good example of because they don't care about 2074 02:01:46.720 --> 02:01:50.279 individual health, right, No, we don't really care. If you've 2075 02:01:50.279 --> 02:01:52.079 had any issues with any of this, You're going to 2076 02:01:52.159 --> 02:01:54.640 do it for the public health, for the public good. 2077 02:01:54.640 --> 02:01:56.520 Everybody's going to have to do this. And I talked 2078 02:01:57.039 --> 02:02:00.359 that bureaucracy, the public education, and once they start talking 2079 02:02:00.359 --> 02:02:02.479 about that, it is the collectivism that is there. 2080 02:02:02.840 --> 02:02:05.239 You find this issue underneath all of them. That's why 2081 02:02:05.239 --> 02:02:08.600 I say this is the this is the this is 2082 02:02:08.600 --> 02:02:14.479 the issue behind all issues. Literally, and look at Pearl Harbor, 2083 02:02:14.520 --> 02:02:18.319 look at nine to eleven, look at COVID, look at everything. 2084 02:02:18.359 --> 02:02:22.359 I don't care what it is. You find that collectivism 2085 02:02:22.439 --> 02:02:25.920 is the answer. What makes all of that seem justified? Yes, 2086 02:02:26.399 --> 02:02:31.560 Lenin put it this way. Vladimir Iliitch Lenin said, if 2087 02:02:31.600 --> 02:02:34.439 you want to make an omelet, you have to crack 2088 02:02:34.520 --> 02:02:40.319 some eggs. And now it could be said many different ways, 2089 02:02:40.359 --> 02:02:46.560 but the greatest, the greatest insults of history, the greatest 2090 02:02:46.880 --> 02:02:53.039 outrages of history, have been justified with this mantra. President 2091 02:02:53.119 --> 02:02:59.239 Roosevelt and his team justified withholding information from American commanders 2092 02:02:59.239 --> 02:03:03.760 on Pearl Harbor so that they were literally surprised by 2093 02:03:03.800 --> 02:03:08.159 the Japanese attack. And they justified that, and they justified 2094 02:03:08.199 --> 02:03:12.319 keeping the information unknown to the American people because it 2095 02:03:12.359 --> 02:03:16.159 was a mark of statesmanship. It was a means of 2096 02:03:16.640 --> 02:03:20.920 bringing about a greater good, because it was necessary to 2097 02:03:20.960 --> 02:03:25.000 convince the American people that we needed to get into 2098 02:03:25.039 --> 02:03:28.319 World War two as quickly as possible so that we 2099 02:03:28.439 --> 02:03:31.640 consider at the piece table afterwards and when we redivide 2100 02:03:31.680 --> 02:03:33.920 the world, and we'll make it a better world. And 2101 02:03:33.960 --> 02:03:37.279 we probably would save millions of American lives too, because 2102 02:03:37.279 --> 02:03:39.640 the Japanese surely would have come over and bombed our 2103 02:03:39.680 --> 02:03:42.760 cities and so forth. And you know, the average American said, oh, 2104 02:03:43.199 --> 02:03:46.680 oh yeah, I guess, I guess the four thousand sailors 2105 02:03:47.119 --> 02:03:51.560 we killed deliberately in Pearl Harbor was worth it, because 2106 02:03:51.600 --> 02:03:55.560 it's the greater good of the greater number. You know, everything, 2107 02:03:55.800 --> 02:03:59.840 everything that happens in this world that's horrible is justified 2108 02:03:59.840 --> 02:04:04.319 by the perpetrators on the mantra of collectivism. Yes, and 2109 02:04:05.119 --> 02:04:08.399 it's time to recognize that it's time to break that 2110 02:04:09.520 --> 02:04:13.119 hypnosis that that idea has over us. I learned that 2111 02:04:13.239 --> 02:04:16.920 in school. They taught me that the greater good for 2112 02:04:16.960 --> 02:04:21.159 the greater number was the ideal political position, and most 2113 02:04:21.159 --> 02:04:22.199 people still think it is. 2114 02:04:22.560 --> 02:04:26.640 Yes, oh boy, we thought in space, did we Absolutely amazing? Yeah, 2115 02:04:26.760 --> 02:04:28.760 And I think you're spot on with that and so 2116 02:04:28.800 --> 02:04:30.760 many other things. It's so interesting to talk to you 2117 02:04:31.319 --> 02:04:36.600 had so many important insights throughout your life, and your 2118 02:04:36.600 --> 02:04:39.880 work has been very valuable to so many people. And 2119 02:04:40.680 --> 02:04:44.960 I haven't read The World Without Cancer, but that's my 2120 02:04:45.039 --> 02:04:48.600 intention to read that. That's very very important, especially when 2121 02:04:48.640 --> 02:04:52.199 we look at the last four years how the veil 2122 02:04:52.279 --> 02:04:55.800 has been pulled back on what the pharmaceutical industry and 2123 02:04:56.039 --> 02:05:00.199 what the government supposedly oversight people are doing for the 2124 02:05:00.199 --> 02:05:02.720 greater good. You know what, people die miserably and it's like, 2125 02:05:02.760 --> 02:05:04.439 well it's rare, it doesn't matter, right, it's for the 2126 02:05:04.479 --> 02:05:07.239 better good, for the greater good, common good. So we're 2127 02:05:07.279 --> 02:05:10.520 going to approve this the drug that is out there. Yeah, 2128 02:05:10.560 --> 02:05:13.319 thank you so much for joining us. And again this 2129 02:05:13.439 --> 02:05:16.720 red Pill University dot org. But you have a Redexpo 2130 02:05:16.840 --> 02:05:18.760 dot org? Is that the one where people go for 2131 02:05:18.840 --> 02:05:22.640 the for the red Expo that's coming up. What is 2132 02:05:22.680 --> 02:05:24.720 the the it can red. 2133 02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:26.640 Pill you it's red Pill Expo dot. 2134 02:05:26.560 --> 02:05:29.319 Org, red Pill xpo dot org. Okay, yeah, red. 2135 02:05:29.119 --> 02:05:31.680 Pill Xpo dot org. You go there. You'll see who 2136 02:05:31.720 --> 02:05:34.760 we have as the upcoming speakers. We still have three 2137 02:05:34.840 --> 02:05:36.600 or four that we haven't put on the page yet. 2138 02:05:37.000 --> 02:05:40.279 They're all dynamite. These people all have a red pill 2139 02:05:40.359 --> 02:05:43.199 to share with you, and they're all really really important. 2140 02:05:43.680 --> 02:05:46.159 And so it'd be two days. I mean to be 2141 02:05:46.239 --> 02:05:49.680 prepared to be blown away by information like this. That's great, 2142 02:05:49.720 --> 02:05:51.399 It'll change your life. 2143 02:05:51.199 --> 02:05:54.039 That's great. Thank you so much for joining us, Jo Griffin. 2144 02:05:54.079 --> 02:05:55.600 It's been a great pleasure talking to you. 2145 02:05:55.640 --> 02:05:57.680 Thank you, Thank you, David. I really appreciate it. And 2146 02:05:57.720 --> 02:06:00.479 it's good to see you again on the screen and 2147 02:06:01.199 --> 02:06:02.119 we'll be talking later. 2148 02:06:02.279 --> 02:06:05.960 Thank you very much. Well, what an inspiration. Jed Griffin 2149 02:06:06.079 --> 02:06:09.279 is a real critical thinker, a visionary, a man with 2150 02:06:09.439 --> 02:06:12.000 the courage to go wherever the truth leads him. And 2151 02:06:12.079 --> 02:06:16.079 again Landmark Books, you want a fearful master creature from 2152 02:06:16.159 --> 02:06:19.640 Jackal Island, a world without cancer, and of course the 2153 02:06:19.760 --> 02:06:22.720 red Pill Expo that is coming up. Thank you for 2154 02:06:22.800 --> 02:07:41.119 joining us. Have a good day. 2155 02:07:44.039 --> 02:07:45.119 Name name. 2156 02:09:12.079 --> 02:09:15.760 Joining us now is Katherine Austin Fitz. Always a pleasure 2157 02:09:15.880 --> 02:09:18.199 to have our of course our website at slari dot com. 2158 02:09:18.640 --> 02:09:21.920 Always a pleasure to have her keen insights about everything, 2159 02:09:21.960 --> 02:09:25.600 and of course coming up, we're going to talk about 2160 02:09:26.439 --> 02:09:30.880 hijacking bitcoin and Roger Ver as well. Know people call 2161 02:09:30.960 --> 02:09:33.960 him bitcoin Jesus and we look at the way that 2162 02:09:34.039 --> 02:09:39.079 they have railroaded him, but he also wrote about hijacking 2163 02:09:39.359 --> 02:09:42.840 bitcoin when I had Aaron dayon we we mentioned it 2164 02:09:42.880 --> 02:09:45.680 a little bit, but Catherine has gone into a great, 2165 02:09:46.680 --> 02:09:48.640 great depth with that. They did a review of the 2166 02:09:48.640 --> 02:09:52.239 book and she's now published her interview with him that 2167 02:09:52.279 --> 02:09:54.560 you can find on It's with Steve. 2168 02:09:55.520 --> 02:09:57.000 Steve Patterson is the co author. 2169 02:09:57.079 --> 02:10:00.439 Oh okay, that's right. Yeah, Ver's got a a bit 2170 02:10:00.479 --> 02:10:02.640 of a problem now, I guess doing interviews with the 2171 02:10:02.680 --> 02:10:04.399 government on his back and I don't know if he's 2172 02:10:04.439 --> 02:10:06.239 in prison now or not, but yeah, the co author. 2173 02:10:06.239 --> 02:10:08.359 So we did an interview with Steve and it's excellent. 2174 02:10:08.600 --> 02:10:10.680 I mean, if you really want to understand what's going 2175 02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:13.760 on in bitcoin, it's absolutely excellent. And we made it 2176 02:10:13.800 --> 02:10:16.520 public because this was one that the subscribers wanted to 2177 02:10:16.560 --> 02:10:17.800 send on to their network. 2178 02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:19.600 Oh it's great, it's public, just. 2179 02:10:19.640 --> 02:10:22.119 Kind of soilary, and you can get the book review. 2180 02:10:22.520 --> 02:10:24.680 You can get a link to an article I wrote 2181 02:10:24.680 --> 02:10:28.239 on why the bitcoin reserve fraud is a scam basically, 2182 02:10:29.479 --> 02:10:32.319 and you can get the interview and send all of 2183 02:10:32.359 --> 02:10:34.520 those along. So if you want to understand sort of 2184 02:10:34.840 --> 02:10:37.239 the current baseball on Bigcoin, it's all there. 2185 02:10:37.239 --> 02:10:38.399 And we're going to talk a little bit about that. 2186 02:10:38.439 --> 02:10:40.000 I want to get your take on what's going on 2187 02:10:40.079 --> 02:10:42.920 with crypto and the new Trump administration where this is 2188 02:10:42.920 --> 02:10:45.960 all headed, the tokenization, the securitization that is out there, 2189 02:10:47.000 --> 02:10:48.319 and we want to talk about that. But when I 2190 02:10:48.319 --> 02:10:51.119 got you on, I've just been talking about marriage and 2191 02:10:51.159 --> 02:10:54.920 family and how that is all traveling here in America, 2192 02:10:54.960 --> 02:10:58.720 and you said, I'd like to say something about what 2193 02:10:58.840 --> 02:11:01.279 I've observed with men and women in various fields that 2194 02:11:01.319 --> 02:11:02.680 you've worked in. Tell us a little bit about that. 2195 02:11:03.239 --> 02:11:06.079 So I'm really glad you brought this up, because I 2196 02:11:06.119 --> 02:11:10.279 think there is nothing more important that the way control 2197 02:11:10.399 --> 02:11:13.039 is instituted is through divide and conqueror, and the most 2198 02:11:13.039 --> 02:11:15.399 important divide and conquer is training men and women against 2199 02:11:15.439 --> 02:11:17.760 each other. Yes, you know, and then it's turning the 2200 02:11:17.800 --> 02:11:20.800 generations against each other. And if we can turn that around, 2201 02:11:21.680 --> 02:11:25.920 you know, we dramatically exponentially increase our power. And I 2202 02:11:25.920 --> 02:11:27.640 think that's part of what I was hearing you saying, 2203 02:11:27.760 --> 02:11:29.760 is your understanding of that. But I wanted to tell 2204 02:11:29.800 --> 02:11:33.159 you sort of my background. So many years ago when 2205 02:11:33.199 --> 02:11:35.680 I was I went to my first few years of college, 2206 02:11:35.680 --> 02:11:37.600 and then I studied Chinese in a Hong kongery year. 2207 02:11:37.640 --> 02:11:39.560 And I came back and the transfer to to the 2208 02:11:39.640 --> 02:11:43.439 University of Pennsylvania and got a job working first as 2209 02:11:43.479 --> 02:11:45.439 a busboy, then as a waitress, and then I got 2210 02:11:45.439 --> 02:11:48.600 promoted up to be a bartender. And it was in 2211 02:11:48.640 --> 02:11:51.880 a French restaurant next to the University of Pennsylvania, and 2212 02:11:51.960 --> 02:11:55.680 it was a two person bar, and my tips and 2213 02:11:55.800 --> 02:11:59.239 grows were so much bigger than everybody else's that the 2214 02:11:59.279 --> 02:12:01.760 owner of the it was a very meritocraty I was 2215 02:12:01.800 --> 02:12:04.680 the only woman. He decided to make me bar manager 2216 02:12:04.760 --> 02:12:08.039 because I I whatever I was doing it made a 2217 02:12:08.079 --> 02:12:12.159 lot more money for the house anyway. So the bartenders 2218 02:12:12.199 --> 02:12:13.840 went on strike because they didn't want to work for 2219 02:12:13.880 --> 02:12:16.439 a woman, and so they went to the owner, who 2220 02:12:16.520 --> 02:12:18.479 was a very He was a very interesting guy. And 2221 02:12:18.560 --> 02:12:20.159 they said, we're going to strike, and he said, it's 2222 02:12:20.159 --> 02:12:22.600 not my problem. She's the bar manager. Go tell her 2223 02:12:22.640 --> 02:12:25.439 it's her problem. So they came to see me and 2224 02:12:25.760 --> 02:12:27.399 they said, I said, why are you going to strike? 2225 02:12:27.439 --> 02:12:28.680 And they said, we don't want to work for you 2226 02:12:28.720 --> 02:12:30.600 because we think you're going to feminize the bar. And 2227 02:12:30.600 --> 02:12:31.960 I said, well I am, but you're going to make 2228 02:12:31.960 --> 02:12:36.239 a lot more money, so you know. So anyway, long 2229 02:12:36.279 --> 02:12:39.720 and short of it, everybody stayed except for the for 2230 02:12:40.239 --> 02:12:45.760 the strike leader. And so for the next two months, 2231 02:12:45.800 --> 02:12:48.079 I made the changes that I wanted to make. But 2232 02:12:48.159 --> 02:12:49.840 one of my rules was there had to be a 2233 02:12:49.920 --> 02:12:52.159 man and a woman. You needed it. It was a 2234 02:12:52.159 --> 02:12:54.239 two person bar, and you had to have a man 2235 02:12:54.279 --> 02:12:57.279 and a woman. Anyway, but sometimes we you know, we 2236 02:12:57.319 --> 02:12:59.640 couldn't get a man, we couldn't get a woman. It 2237 02:12:59.720 --> 02:13:01.880 was so sometimes we'd end up with two women. Sometimes 2238 02:13:01.960 --> 02:13:04.079 we'd end up with two men. But I got very 2239 02:13:04.119 --> 02:13:08.359 detailed records of how the bar performed and how the 2240 02:13:08.439 --> 02:13:13.119 fits performed. So here's what we learned. After about six months, 2241 02:13:13.680 --> 02:13:16.880 if I had two women, if I had two men 2242 02:13:16.920 --> 02:13:21.439 on the bar, the house made X and the bartenders 2243 02:13:21.439 --> 02:13:24.439 made ten percent of that, so point one x. Okay. 2244 02:13:25.279 --> 02:13:27.800 If I had two women, the house made one point 2245 02:13:27.800 --> 02:13:30.880 five x and the bartenders made point one five x 2246 02:13:31.600 --> 02:13:35.439 fifty percent better two women than two men. If I 2247 02:13:35.479 --> 02:13:37.600 had a man and a woman, the house made two 2248 02:13:37.800 --> 02:13:41.960 x and the bartenders made point two X. So literally, 2249 02:13:42.720 --> 02:13:44.560 if if you were a man and I put you 2250 02:13:44.560 --> 02:13:47.399 on with another man, you made half as much that 2251 02:13:47.520 --> 02:13:50.159 evening as if I put you on with another woman. 2252 02:13:52.159 --> 02:13:55.479 I mean literally, And it was very interesting. Two months later, 2253 02:13:55.920 --> 02:13:58.560 I was down in the wine cellar doing the wine 2254 02:13:58.680 --> 02:14:02.640 order and the the former deputy strike leader, came down 2255 02:14:02.800 --> 02:14:04.800 screaming at me. It was a Thursday night, which is 2256 02:14:04.840 --> 02:14:07.359 our biggest night. How dare you put me on with 2257 02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:10.119 another man? You're going to cut my tips in half? 2258 02:14:10.479 --> 02:14:11.920 And I looked at him and I said, I couldn't 2259 02:14:11.920 --> 02:14:13.920 get another one. I just couldn't get another woman. But 2260 02:14:13.920 --> 02:14:15.359 do you see the irony in this? 2261 02:14:17.359 --> 02:14:18.960 Well? What did your take on? What do you think 2262 02:14:19.079 --> 02:14:20.199 was behind that? Why did that work? 2263 02:14:20.279 --> 02:14:22.720 Well? Let me keep going. Yeah, So many years later, 2264 02:14:22.760 --> 02:14:25.520 when I started Hamilton Securities, it was an investment bank 2265 02:14:25.520 --> 02:14:28.439 in Washington, and one of the things we did we 2266 02:14:28.520 --> 02:14:32.199 thought with new technology, we could radically reduce the number 2267 02:14:33.279 --> 02:14:36.560 of people that it took to bank and market a deal, 2268 02:14:37.199 --> 02:14:40.720 and we literally had we had two people running each deal. 2269 02:14:40.760 --> 02:14:43.000 One was sort of so go back to the James 2270 02:14:43.079 --> 02:14:46.199 Bond movies. One was the James Bond person who was 2271 02:14:46.239 --> 02:14:48.800 going to do the deal. The other was the Q 2272 02:14:49.079 --> 02:14:52.720 person who was going to build and capture all the tools. Right, 2273 02:14:53.479 --> 02:14:57.319 you needed a tool and software, an intellectual capital engineer, 2274 02:14:57.319 --> 02:14:59.760 and then you needed a deal door. So we always 2275 02:14:59.760 --> 02:15:02.520 had two people who were kind of running the deal. 2276 02:15:03.239 --> 02:15:05.920 So I kept the same records on and we had 2277 02:15:05.920 --> 02:15:08.439 a rule that unless we could make ten times for 2278 02:15:08.479 --> 02:15:11.039 the client what we could make for ourselves. You know, 2279 02:15:11.079 --> 02:15:13.119 we didn't want to do the deal, so we felt 2280 02:15:13.119 --> 02:15:16.920 we needed to get at least a multiple of ten anyway, 2281 02:15:16.960 --> 02:15:18.920 so we tracked what the client made and we track 2282 02:15:19.000 --> 02:15:21.880 what we would make. Well, it turned out to be 2283 02:15:22.159 --> 02:15:24.960 almost the same as the bar business, with a twist. 2284 02:15:25.439 --> 02:15:28.960 You just had to so if I had two women 2285 02:15:29.039 --> 02:15:31.000 on the deal, the client would make ten X and 2286 02:15:31.039 --> 02:15:35.039 we'd make X. If I had two men, the client 2287 02:15:35.039 --> 02:15:37.760 would make fifteen X and we'd make one point five X. 2288 02:15:37.760 --> 02:15:39.720 So it was the opposite of the bar business. Men 2289 02:15:39.800 --> 02:15:45.079 were better at transactions than client customer service, you know, 2290 02:15:45.319 --> 02:15:47.319 in the in the bar, so when it came to 2291 02:15:47.399 --> 02:15:49.640 relationship could appear that women were better. When it came 2292 02:15:49.720 --> 02:15:52.279 to deals, men were better. But if I had a 2293 02:15:52.319 --> 02:15:54.520 man and a woman, then the client made twenty x, 2294 02:15:54.520 --> 02:15:58.079 then we made two xs. So it was the same thing. 2295 02:15:58.680 --> 02:16:02.439 Now here was the interesting thing. Both initially at the 2296 02:16:02.479 --> 02:16:06.640 bar and certainly at the investment bank. The men always 2297 02:16:06.640 --> 02:16:09.039 wanted to work with other men and the women wanted 2298 02:16:09.079 --> 02:16:11.800 to work with other women. So I had to be 2299 02:16:11.880 --> 02:16:14.279 a dictator. It's like, no, you're going to go get 2300 02:16:14.279 --> 02:16:16.319 a man or you'll be fired. That's how it is, 2301 02:16:16.399 --> 02:16:21.279 you know. But here's what I saw, And it wasn't 2302 02:16:21.439 --> 02:16:26.359 sexual so much as energetic. There is something, you know, 2303 02:16:26.439 --> 02:16:30.319 men and women are very different. And I don't know 2304 02:16:30.319 --> 02:16:32.760 if you remember that Mel Gibson movie where he says, yeah, 2305 02:16:32.799 --> 02:16:36.000 women have five percent more water. But you know, whatever 2306 02:16:36.079 --> 02:16:39.639 the difference is. If you're going to deal in a 2307 02:16:39.719 --> 02:16:43.360 human situation and in you know, a big business situation 2308 02:16:43.559 --> 02:16:46.799 was not going on. You know, the men and a 2309 02:16:46.879 --> 02:16:49.440 man and a woman team are going to know more, 2310 02:16:49.639 --> 02:16:53.479 see more, understand more. They're going to see things that 2311 02:16:53.559 --> 02:16:55.360 a woman. You know, the man's going to see things 2312 02:16:55.360 --> 02:16:57.239 a woman won't see the woman's going to see things. 2313 02:16:57.680 --> 02:17:01.040 And what you realize in a family, you know, after 2314 02:17:01.120 --> 02:17:03.719 going through those two experiences, I realized, you know, if 2315 02:17:04.120 --> 02:17:06.360 trying to have a family with two men or a 2316 02:17:06.399 --> 02:17:10.600 family with two women, it's just not the same. There 2317 02:17:10.680 --> 02:17:16.399 is a there is a wholeness in terms of seeing 2318 02:17:16.440 --> 02:17:22.120 the world, understanding the world, managing risk, understanding. You know, 2319 02:17:22.159 --> 02:17:25.079 a lot of times in my experience as an investment advisor, 2320 02:17:25.159 --> 02:17:29.040 the women understood the living equity issues and the men 2321 02:17:29.200 --> 02:17:33.399 understood the financial equity issues, and you needed both, you know, 2322 02:17:33.479 --> 02:17:37.479 to integrate and do both. They would. And the other 2323 02:17:37.520 --> 02:17:39.959 thing I discovered I saw it was financial fraud because 2324 02:17:40.000 --> 02:17:43.719 I had so many, so many jobs sort of cleaning 2325 02:17:44.079 --> 02:17:46.920 couples up who'd been hurt by financial fraud or health 2326 02:17:46.920 --> 02:17:50.440 care fraud. What I discovered is I can trick a man, 2327 02:17:51.040 --> 02:17:53.600 or I can trick a woman, but it is almost 2328 02:17:53.600 --> 02:17:57.559 impossible to trick a man and woman working together. But 2329 02:17:57.799 --> 02:18:00.239 now I used to have so many women who would 2330 02:18:00.239 --> 02:18:03.000 tell me, look, my husband does the finances. I don't 2331 02:18:03.040 --> 02:18:04.840 want to be involved, I don't like it. And I 2332 02:18:04.879 --> 02:18:07.639 would say no, you have to be involved. You have 2333 02:18:07.680 --> 02:18:10.799 to be involved because the family has to integrate the 2334 02:18:10.799 --> 02:18:13.760 financial equity issues with the living equity issues. But the 2335 02:18:13.799 --> 02:18:17.319 other thing is he's going to get tricks. Yeah, you know, 2336 02:18:17.399 --> 02:18:19.000 he's going to get tricked and it's going to be 2337 02:18:19.000 --> 02:18:21.959 your fault. So you get involved because you know you 2338 02:18:22.040 --> 02:18:22.600 need both. 2339 02:18:22.840 --> 02:18:23.239 That's right. 2340 02:18:23.399 --> 02:18:24.920 I you know, at the end of the day, I 2341 02:18:24.959 --> 02:18:26.760 can't explain it. What I will tell you is there's 2342 02:18:26.760 --> 02:18:29.760 a magic. Yeah, there's a magic to it that is 2343 02:18:31.040 --> 02:18:31.879 really divine. 2344 02:18:32.159 --> 02:18:34.879 Well, yeah, exactly. It's it's a lot of people call 2345 02:18:34.920 --> 02:18:38.559 it complimentarianism, right, the fact that men and women compliment 2346 02:18:38.600 --> 02:18:42.479 each other and they're in complimentary roles, and we complete 2347 02:18:42.479 --> 02:18:45.639 each other, and we have different perspectives and we perceive 2348 02:18:45.760 --> 02:18:48.280 things very differently, which is what you saw with all 2349 02:18:48.319 --> 02:18:48.680 of that, right. 2350 02:18:48.719 --> 02:18:53.840 But it is real easy to you know, to back 2351 02:18:53.920 --> 02:18:55.639 up and say, oh, it's too much work to work 2352 02:18:55.680 --> 02:18:57.000 with a guy. I'm just going to get into the 2353 02:18:57.120 --> 02:18:59.520 room and it'll be so easy, and you know, there'll 2354 02:18:59.520 --> 02:19:00.959 be a lot les controversy. 2355 02:19:01.280 --> 02:19:06.239 Yeah, that's a really fascinating insight. That's amazing. Let's talk 2356 02:19:06.239 --> 02:19:08.040 a little bit. Whereould you like to go next? I mean, 2357 02:19:08.040 --> 02:19:09.680 I would like to talk about the bitcoin stuff. Is 2358 02:19:09.680 --> 02:19:10.040 there anything? 2359 02:19:10.120 --> 02:19:12.719 I said, let's talk about the bitcoin stuff, because I've 2360 02:19:13.079 --> 02:19:18.399 you know, I've had an interesting history. I worked very hard. 2361 02:19:18.399 --> 02:19:21.440 In twenty seventeen, I did a very serious due diligence 2362 02:19:21.440 --> 02:19:24.319 as an investment advisor. My clients kept asking you about bitcoin, 2363 02:19:24.319 --> 02:19:27.719 and I said, okay, And I called up a very 2364 02:19:27.760 --> 02:19:29.920 dear friend of mine who has a PhD from MIT 2365 02:19:30.079 --> 02:19:32.399 and used to run research at one of the big 2366 02:19:32.440 --> 02:19:36.559 Silicon Valley companies, and he's the smartest guy I know, 2367 02:19:36.719 --> 02:19:38.840 and I said, I need your help. You know, we 2368 02:19:38.879 --> 02:19:41.760 need to I need to do a serious due diligence 2369 02:19:41.799 --> 02:19:45.000 on this, and I need somebody with a strong technology background. 2370 02:19:45.399 --> 02:19:47.760 So we spent like one hundred hours working on this. 2371 02:19:48.200 --> 02:19:49.840 He did one hundred egg because we did a lot 2372 02:19:49.840 --> 02:19:53.159 of research separate, and then we come together and finally 2373 02:19:53.440 --> 02:19:56.200 I really felt like I understood. But I took all 2374 02:19:56.239 --> 02:19:58.959 my final questions and I flew to Baltimore and had 2375 02:19:59.159 --> 02:20:02.200 a three hour line with Bill Binnie. I just grilled 2376 02:20:02.280 --> 02:20:05.879 him on all my questions, and I came away feeling 2377 02:20:06.000 --> 02:20:10.440 I had a very good understanding of bitcoin and anyway. 2378 02:20:10.479 --> 02:20:13.120 But since then, every time I talk to somebody who's 2379 02:20:13.159 --> 02:20:18.319 a bitcoin enthusiast, they say, you don't understand bitcoin, and 2380 02:20:18.319 --> 02:20:20.399 I say, well, what aspect is that you think I 2381 02:20:20.440 --> 02:20:23.559 don't understand? Is that I don't understand the exchanges and 2382 02:20:23.600 --> 02:20:25.879 how they work. I don't understand the custodian issues. I 2383 02:20:25.879 --> 02:20:29.600 don't understand the technology. I don't understand you know, how 2384 02:20:29.600 --> 02:20:32.840 the market works. I don't understand the regular What specifically 2385 02:20:32.879 --> 02:20:35.239 is it you think I don't understand? And what I 2386 02:20:35.319 --> 02:20:39.120 discover is I don't understand the religious faith that comes 2387 02:20:39.120 --> 02:20:39.399 with me. 2388 02:20:40.479 --> 02:20:43.920 You're denyer. 2389 02:20:44.079 --> 02:20:47.920 No, it's it's like a religion, and I don't get 2390 02:20:47.959 --> 02:20:50.920 the religion, And you're right, I don't get the religion anyway. 2391 02:20:51.760 --> 02:20:54.760 So this is going on for years with people telling 2392 02:20:54.799 --> 02:20:57.840 me I don't get bitcoin, but they won't be specific 2393 02:20:58.239 --> 02:21:00.600 about what that means or what I might read study 2394 02:21:00.600 --> 02:21:05.280 that would educate me some more anyway. But one of 2395 02:21:05.319 --> 02:21:09.079 our subscribers posted on Solaria a couple of months ago, 2396 02:21:09.120 --> 02:21:11.319 you've got to read this new book, Hi, Checking Bitcoin 2397 02:21:11.399 --> 02:21:16.680 by Roger Vere and Steve Patterson, and so our subscribers 2398 02:21:16.799 --> 02:21:20.159 usually have very good intelligence and very good recommendation, so 2399 02:21:20.239 --> 02:21:22.799 I immediately got the book. Read it, you know, and 2400 02:21:22.920 --> 02:21:25.200 I cannot say enough good things about this book. It 2401 02:21:25.239 --> 02:21:29.360 is so beautifully written, It is so clear and coherent. 2402 02:21:29.399 --> 02:21:31.719 It's very rare to read a book I found on 2403 02:21:31.760 --> 02:21:35.920 bitcoin and crypto that's really coherent and accessible to a 2404 02:21:35.959 --> 02:21:39.319 financial professional who's not a technologist anyway. 2405 02:21:40.040 --> 02:21:42.079 So I interchecked here and say, you know, it's interesting 2406 02:21:42.079 --> 02:21:43.920 because you're talking about Roger Vere and they call him 2407 02:21:43.920 --> 02:21:47.520 Bitcoin Jesus because he was an evangelist for it. I 2408 02:21:47.520 --> 02:21:50.000 mean we're talking about the religious aspect of it and everything. 2409 02:21:50.200 --> 02:21:51.920 So you know, where is he now? Has he lost 2410 02:21:51.920 --> 02:21:54.440 his faith or has it been strengthened and all of 2411 02:21:54.440 --> 02:21:54.920 this stuff. 2412 02:21:55.239 --> 02:21:59.159 So here's and I have to tell you, I'm very 2413 02:21:59.200 --> 02:22:02.399 impressed with Roy Journey's work and Steve and his work. 2414 02:22:03.040 --> 02:22:07.319 And you know, bigcoin started at as a design that 2415 02:22:08.159 --> 02:22:10.760 when it began, it was really a pilot program for 2416 02:22:10.799 --> 02:22:15.000 a payment system, a global payment system that that had potential. 2417 02:22:15.120 --> 02:22:18.840 It had potential to turn into something pretty wonderful, but 2418 02:22:19.079 --> 02:22:22.120 it didn't. It got it literally got hijacked. If you 2419 02:22:22.159 --> 02:22:24.639 look at the who controls bitcoin, it's a very small 2420 02:22:24.680 --> 02:22:28.000 group of people, and they were able to limit its 2421 02:22:28.079 --> 02:22:30.239 liquidity in a way that made it very useful for 2422 02:22:30.319 --> 02:22:34.000 pumping and dumping, but not you know, it's very useful 2423 02:22:34.040 --> 02:22:37.600 for speculation, but it's not useful as a payment system. Yeah, 2424 02:22:37.879 --> 02:22:41.239 you know, it's it's too It's very very liquid, and 2425 02:22:41.319 --> 02:22:43.600 of course, if you will, it's still an immature industry. 2426 02:22:43.639 --> 02:22:47.000 So if you look at the custodial issues and the 2427 02:22:47.040 --> 02:22:50.000 fraud issues, you know it's a very unregulated sort of 2428 02:22:50.000 --> 02:22:54.000 wildness market. The FBI says five point six billion reported 2429 02:22:54.040 --> 02:22:57.879 losses and crypto reported to them in twenty twenty three. 2430 02:22:58.120 --> 02:23:01.319 I had a lustner on the just interjectingly, I had 2431 02:23:01.360 --> 02:23:03.920 a listener who said, yeah, it reminds me very much 2432 02:23:03.959 --> 02:23:07.879 of the NFT stuff, right, you know when they were 2433 02:23:07.879 --> 02:23:11.239 selling n fts, and you know that was and that's 2434 02:23:11.280 --> 02:23:13.319 kind of what I think they did with bitcoin in 2435 02:23:13.360 --> 02:23:15.600 a sense. You know, they took something that was designed 2436 02:23:15.639 --> 02:23:17.360 to be a currency and they started turning it into 2437 02:23:17.520 --> 02:23:18.360 centrally an NFT. 2438 02:23:19.920 --> 02:23:22.360 Well, they've been playing a pump and dump game with it, 2439 02:23:22.399 --> 02:23:25.399 and there's a lot of serious talent and money behind 2440 02:23:25.399 --> 02:23:31.280 that pump and dump. And anyway, so I read Hijacking Bitcoin, 2441 02:23:31.360 --> 02:23:33.760 and I wrote a review of it. If you just 2442 02:23:33.799 --> 02:23:36.000 go to Silaria, you can get that. And I just 2443 02:23:36.040 --> 02:23:38.920 did an interview which we published yesterday with Steve Patterson, 2444 02:23:39.920 --> 02:23:42.840 which really helps you understand sort of the evolution. Now, 2445 02:23:43.319 --> 02:23:46.959 what happened to Roger? He saw the potential. And one 2446 02:23:47.000 --> 02:23:49.319 of the delightful things about this book is it took 2447 02:23:49.360 --> 02:23:52.440 me back to when I was at Hamilton Securities and 2448 02:23:52.479 --> 02:23:55.280 I realized the potential for digital money and creating our 2449 02:23:55.280 --> 02:23:58.520 own currencies. I got really excited and we invented a 2450 02:23:58.520 --> 02:24:02.000 product called Just in Time Money, and I remember those 2451 02:24:02.079 --> 02:24:06.799 days when we just thought, uh, And I tell the 2452 02:24:06.840 --> 02:24:09.319 story in the book review. Eric Hughes had been the 2453 02:24:09.799 --> 02:24:13.959 was the software developer hacked clipper chip, which was Al 2454 02:24:14.040 --> 02:24:18.079 Gore's you know, thing to control the Internet and anyway, 2455 02:24:18.079 --> 02:24:20.760 so Eric came to Hamilton, and Eric and I spent 2456 02:24:20.920 --> 02:24:23.280 a whole day with the literally the whole firm working 2457 02:24:23.319 --> 02:24:27.239 on inventing Just in Time Money. And it was so 2458 02:24:27.559 --> 02:24:32.079 heady because we saw the potential for what decentralized you know, 2459 02:24:32.239 --> 02:24:36.239 crypto or something like a cryptocurrency could be. Anyway, and 2460 02:24:36.280 --> 02:24:39.559 when you read Roger and Steve's book, you get back 2461 02:24:39.600 --> 02:24:43.159 that enthusiasm of what is pot you know, theoretically possible. 2462 02:24:43.680 --> 02:24:46.840 It's easy. After you've watched the pumping and dumping, the 2463 02:24:47.040 --> 02:24:51.760 and the tremendous crime around these things that are going on, 2464 02:24:52.079 --> 02:24:56.319 and all the wise and disinformation, it's easy to get jaundice. 2465 02:24:56.680 --> 02:24:58.600 And I love the fact that sort of Roger and 2466 02:24:58.600 --> 02:25:01.239 Steve got me back in that mood of you know, 2467 02:25:02.200 --> 02:25:05.840 you know, you know, there's a new world possible. There 2468 02:25:05.879 --> 02:25:11.159 really is anyway. So what happened was this book makes 2469 02:25:11.360 --> 02:25:16.040 very clear something else, and it's it's very highly documented, 2470 02:25:16.159 --> 02:25:21.920 very heavily footnote. It's a very serious treatment there. I 2471 02:25:21.959 --> 02:25:26.559 am absolutely sure that there is significant counterfeiting of bitcoin. 2472 02:25:26.799 --> 02:25:29.440 You know, part of the power bitcoin was supposed to be. 2473 02:25:29.479 --> 02:25:33.280 You could only create twenty one million, But now what 2474 02:25:33.559 --> 02:25:36.920 Roger documents. Roger and Steve document the creation. It's called 2475 02:25:36.920 --> 02:25:40.639 an inflation bug. And now the reports not just of 2476 02:25:40.719 --> 02:25:45.000 the one they reported, but of inflation bugs sense. I'm 2477 02:25:45.079 --> 02:25:48.399 absolutely convinced with the inflation bugs, they can counterfeit. But 2478 02:25:48.520 --> 02:25:52.079 now that they're doing the ETFs with blackrock, you know, 2479 02:25:52.200 --> 02:25:55.399 I did a deep dive on precious metal etf Let 2480 02:25:55.399 --> 02:25:58.319 me tell you the counterfeiting was real. Oh yeah, collateral 2481 02:25:58.440 --> 02:26:02.440 you know, collateral fraud. The financial system we have does 2482 02:26:02.520 --> 02:26:04.799 collabteral fraud every time they have a chance. You know, 2483 02:26:04.920 --> 02:26:08.680 it's it's kind of like, you know, like not asking 2484 02:26:08.760 --> 02:26:13.360 a dog to go eat meat. They just anyway they've 2485 02:26:13.399 --> 02:26:13.760 ever got. 2486 02:26:13.760 --> 02:26:17.040 Their company called it securitized because they were securitizing things 2487 02:26:17.079 --> 02:26:19.799 and creating derivatives. And of course you talk about, you know, 2488 02:26:20.159 --> 02:26:22.600 derivatives of gold and silver, things like paper gold and 2489 02:26:22.639 --> 02:26:28.040 paper silver, which I didn't really understand naively. Everybody thinks, well, 2490 02:26:28.120 --> 02:26:30.000 they've got some gold and they're now going to sell 2491 02:26:30.079 --> 02:26:32.399 to you the tenth of the price or whatever. I 2492 02:26:32.440 --> 02:26:36.159 didn't realize that that was a derivative. Film you started 2493 02:26:36.159 --> 02:26:38.520 seeing changes in the price of gold, and you could 2494 02:26:38.520 --> 02:26:42.239 see that it didn't track the spot price of gold. 2495 02:26:42.280 --> 02:26:45.680 It was completely divorced from it. And so that was 2496 02:26:45.719 --> 02:26:48.040 a key tip. And then all our research is like, oh, 2497 02:26:48.120 --> 02:26:50.920 now I get it. You know, yes, it's derivative. 2498 02:26:51.600 --> 02:26:56.840 Here we go. So right after so this book makes 2499 02:26:56.959 --> 02:27:00.680 very clear that the official story on bitcoin is not true. 2500 02:27:01.520 --> 02:27:03.079 You know, what you've got is you've got a pump 2501 02:27:03.159 --> 02:27:07.120 and dump tool. It has no fundamental utilitarian purpose other 2502 02:27:07.200 --> 02:27:10.079 than it's a pump and dump tool. And of course 2503 02:27:10.120 --> 02:27:12.040 with a pump and dump tool. If you have enough 2504 02:27:12.120 --> 02:27:15.079 backing for it, you can make a fortune, you know, 2505 02:27:15.159 --> 02:27:19.200 and people have been so. But also that it's not 2506 02:27:19.360 --> 02:27:22.000 limited to twenty one million bitcoin. Now they don't come 2507 02:27:22.040 --> 02:27:24.680 out and say that in document, but based on what 2508 02:27:24.760 --> 02:27:28.159 they what I've read about inflation bugs in their book 2509 02:27:28.200 --> 02:27:31.639 and since, and what I know about ETF's, the counterfeiting 2510 02:27:31.719 --> 02:27:36.000 is on. So so bitcoin is basically a speculation, and 2511 02:27:36.040 --> 02:27:39.760 it's rooted in nothing other than the belief that you 2512 02:27:39.799 --> 02:27:41.920 can get you know, ten more people to come in 2513 02:27:41.959 --> 02:27:48.319 tomorrow and buy in it. It's basically a tool of ballmania, 2514 02:27:49.280 --> 02:27:53.000 you know. And it would have some value if it 2515 02:27:53.120 --> 02:27:56.520 was a successful little bit payment system, but it's never 2516 02:27:56.600 --> 02:28:00.559 become that. It's and it's highly unlike then it's going 2517 02:28:00.639 --> 02:28:03.520 to become that. So so this thing is only as 2518 02:28:03.520 --> 02:28:06.040 good as sort of the scam. Now, let's go back 2519 02:28:06.639 --> 02:28:09.079 if you look at what's going on in the economy, David, 2520 02:28:09.159 --> 02:28:12.360 here's what's going on in the economy. We did a 2521 02:28:12.479 --> 02:28:15.239 tremendous amount of work this year on plunder capitalism and 2522 02:28:15.319 --> 02:28:18.719 land grabs and the techniques used to do land grabs. 2523 02:28:19.319 --> 02:28:23.200 Now we've spent decades now creating more and more debt, 2524 02:28:23.280 --> 02:28:25.000 more and more debt, more and more debt, more and 2525 02:28:25.040 --> 02:28:29.200 more paper. The game of musical chairs is over. The 2526 02:28:29.319 --> 02:28:32.120 music is stopped, and now everybody's racing to grab the 2527 02:28:32.159 --> 02:28:36.799 real assets. Okay, and that's now if you want the 2528 02:28:36.840 --> 02:28:40.840 real assets, who's got the real assets. Howard Lutkin just 2529 02:28:40.879 --> 02:28:45.639 gave an interview, you know, is the nominee for Secretary 2530 02:28:45.639 --> 02:28:48.479 of Commerce and have been in competition for Secretary of Treasury, 2531 02:28:48.479 --> 02:28:51.079 where he said, don't worry about the debt. You know, 2532 02:28:51.120 --> 02:28:53.440 the debt's thirty six trullion in the US balance sheet 2533 02:28:53.440 --> 02:28:56.920 has a five hundred tillion dollars of landed mineral resources. 2534 02:28:57.280 --> 02:29:00.600 And that's true. Okay. Yeah, And in fact, Trump, in 2535 02:29:00.600 --> 02:29:04.440 the last Trump administration, the US Geological Survey started doing 2536 02:29:04.920 --> 02:29:07.719 a survey of all the land and mineral resources of 2537 02:29:07.959 --> 02:29:11.639 North America, including what the government owns. So and if 2538 02:29:11.639 --> 02:29:13.840 you look at the state governments, I mean, the federal 2539 02:29:13.840 --> 02:29:16.200 government owns a lot and the state's own a law too. 2540 02:29:16.319 --> 02:29:21.079 So the you know, so, if you're sitting here and 2541 02:29:21.319 --> 02:29:24.399 you've run up the bitcoin market, you have a small 2542 02:29:24.479 --> 02:29:27.920 number of people have a tremendous amount of bitcoin. They 2543 02:29:27.920 --> 02:29:32.440 can't possibly get out at the current situation. You know 2544 02:29:32.479 --> 02:29:35.079 they can get their money out without crashing the market. 2545 02:29:35.440 --> 02:29:38.399 Right now, what do they want? They want real assets. 2546 02:29:38.440 --> 02:29:40.000 So what you want to do is you want to 2547 02:29:40.040 --> 02:29:44.280 swap your bigcoin the land for real estate, for precious metals, 2548 02:29:44.319 --> 02:29:48.040 for real businesses. You want real assets. So how do 2549 02:29:48.079 --> 02:29:50.280 you get out of your bitcoin and get into the 2550 02:29:50.319 --> 02:29:53.639 real assets. Well, it's real simple. You get the government 2551 02:29:53.639 --> 02:29:55.719 to buy your bigcoin and you get the government to 2552 02:29:55.760 --> 02:29:59.879 sell its land. Right, pretty simple. So you want them 2553 02:29:59.879 --> 02:30:01.760 to to get They have the real and you have 2554 02:30:01.840 --> 02:30:04.000 the unreal. So you flip them the unreal and you 2555 02:30:04.040 --> 02:30:07.920 get the real. So what's being proposed. What's being proposed 2556 02:30:08.040 --> 02:30:12.920 is the government announced long term buying programs to buy bitcoin. 2557 02:30:13.920 --> 02:30:17.040 So the federal government by bitcoin, the States by bitcoin. 2558 02:30:17.639 --> 02:30:20.159 If you announce a long term buying program and a 2559 02:30:20.200 --> 02:30:22.920 highly liquid market, you're going to send the price to 2560 02:30:22.959 --> 02:30:26.280 the moon. And all the guys who started and built 2561 02:30:26.280 --> 02:30:30.440 this speculation can sell into that. Okay. And not only 2562 02:30:30.440 --> 02:30:32.680 can they sell their twenty one million bitcoin, they can 2563 02:30:32.719 --> 02:30:36.479 sell more than their one million bitcoin. Right, I think 2564 02:30:36.920 --> 02:30:38.079 there's counterfeit, Okay. 2565 02:30:38.239 --> 02:30:40.840 You gotta be careful that you're not their exit strategy, right, 2566 02:30:41.840 --> 02:30:42.399 get into this. 2567 02:30:42.440 --> 02:30:45.680 Well, but and where's the government going to get that money? 2568 02:30:46.040 --> 02:30:47.920 All the people who don't want to go into the 2569 02:30:47.920 --> 02:30:52.040 marketplace and buy want to buy bitcoin. The government is 2570 02:30:52.079 --> 02:30:55.200 going to sell bonds to their retirement funds. The money 2571 02:30:55.239 --> 02:30:57.840 is going to come out of their retirement funds and 2572 02:30:57.959 --> 02:31:01.200 go into bitcoin. You know, hell in the treasury, the 2573 02:31:01.239 --> 02:31:04.399 state or federal government treasury. So you're going to you're 2574 02:31:04.440 --> 02:31:06.200 gonna take from the peor and give to the rich, 2575 02:31:06.440 --> 02:31:08.040 or you're going to take from the middle class and 2576 02:31:08.079 --> 02:31:11.520 give to the rich. Yeh, it's you know it's And now, 2577 02:31:12.000 --> 02:31:15.120 if the oil industry said we want the government to 2578 02:31:15.159 --> 02:31:18.360 start long term buying of our oil, or the agriculture 2579 02:31:18.360 --> 02:31:21.399 industries that we want long term buying of our agriculture, 2580 02:31:22.040 --> 02:31:24.799 or the pharmaceuticals said we want the government long term 2581 02:31:24.799 --> 02:31:28.040 buying of our pharmaceuticals, we would all know what that's about, right. 2582 02:31:29.280 --> 02:31:33.639 But for some reason, when the bitcoin enthusiasts say, the 2583 02:31:33.760 --> 02:31:36.120 vast majority of people don't want to buy our bitcoin, 2584 02:31:36.879 --> 02:31:39.600 so we want to have government mandate to make them 2585 02:31:39.600 --> 02:31:43.520 buy our bitcoin with their retirement savings, that's about as 2586 02:31:43.600 --> 02:31:45.920 ugly as it gets. And it's very ugly because if 2587 02:31:45.920 --> 02:31:48.879 you look at how much money those guys poured into donations, 2588 02:31:49.600 --> 02:31:53.440 you're basically saying, we can bribe the politicians and get 2589 02:31:53.479 --> 02:31:56.000 them to use your retirement savings to buy bitcoin, because 2590 02:31:56.040 --> 02:31:58.319 you won't you won't buy it, so we're going to 2591 02:31:58.399 --> 02:31:59.079 make you buy. 2592 02:31:58.879 --> 02:32:02.840 It's hl Mincoln said, an election as an advanced auction 2593 02:32:02.879 --> 02:32:05.239 is stolen goods. I quote that all the time, and 2594 02:32:05.280 --> 02:32:07.360 that is really what we're looking at here, isn't it. 2595 02:32:07.520 --> 02:32:10.879 So But let's look at a chart if you want to. 2596 02:32:10.959 --> 02:32:13.600 I want you to go back to the going direct reset, 2597 02:32:13.639 --> 02:32:16.079 which was voted, you know, which was reviewed by the 2598 02:32:16.120 --> 02:32:20.079 central bankers in August of twenty nineteen. If we do 2599 02:32:20.159 --> 02:32:22.360 a chart off the US stock market, what we see 2600 02:32:22.399 --> 02:32:24.920 is the US stock market is up, you know, over 2601 02:32:25.000 --> 02:32:30.200 one hundred percent since that date, and the Treasury, if 2602 02:32:30.200 --> 02:32:33.399 we take the twenty year Treasury ETF, it's down by 2603 02:32:33.440 --> 02:32:38.040 thirty five percent. So what's the game. The game is 2604 02:32:38.239 --> 02:32:42.200 the government treasury sells treasury bonds to our retirement funds 2605 02:32:42.239 --> 02:32:45.840 and our iras and four one k's and retirement funds 2606 02:32:45.879 --> 02:32:49.280 around the world, and then it takes that money and 2607 02:32:49.319 --> 02:32:52.120 it spends that money it gives that money to Elon 2608 02:32:52.520 --> 02:32:55.879 Musk to do SpaceX, or it gives that money, you know, 2609 02:32:55.959 --> 02:32:59.479 the Chinese are subsidizing Tesla, or it gives that money 2610 02:32:59.520 --> 02:33:03.159 to know to invest in tremendous amounts of AI or 2611 02:33:03.319 --> 02:33:06.760 the chip acts tremendous money to drive you know, Taiwan 2612 02:33:06.799 --> 02:33:10.040 Semi Can. So all the guys who are who are 2613 02:33:10.079 --> 02:33:13.239 getting that money out of our retirement fund are getting 2614 02:33:13.319 --> 02:33:18.239 huge up in their companies while we're we're going down 2615 02:33:18.239 --> 02:33:21.520 thirty five percent financing the game. Now, if you think 2616 02:33:21.520 --> 02:33:23.719 it's bad in the stock market, because all that stuff, 2617 02:33:23.760 --> 02:33:26.440 for the most part, is real. You may disagree with 2618 02:33:26.520 --> 02:33:29.719 how it's priced or how it's organized, but it's real railroads, 2619 02:33:30.440 --> 02:33:33.639 you know, real satellites flying around, real chips being put 2620 02:33:33.680 --> 02:33:38.479 into computers, you know, and so so you know, you're 2621 02:33:38.520 --> 02:33:42.479 still financing something that has to do with the integration 2622 02:33:42.559 --> 02:33:47.040 of technology and productive activities. If you take this and 2623 02:33:47.639 --> 02:33:51.760 buy those guys out of their scam, and they're free 2624 02:33:51.799 --> 02:33:55.079 to turn around and buy the land and other real estate. 2625 02:33:55.559 --> 02:33:57.559 So if you look at some of the trial balloons, 2626 02:33:58.079 --> 02:34:02.440 RFK at Bitcoin twenty twenty four proposed that the sales 2627 02:34:02.440 --> 02:34:06.879 of bitcoin should be tax free and secret. So the 2628 02:34:06.920 --> 02:34:09.040 Treasury is buying it, but they're not saying who they're 2629 02:34:09.040 --> 02:34:13.120 buying it from. Wow, right, it's secret, and they the 2630 02:34:13.159 --> 02:34:15.559 people who are selling it, don't have to pay taxes 2631 02:34:15.760 --> 02:34:17.239 if they roll it into real estate. 2632 02:34:18.159 --> 02:34:20.440 How do you justify making it secret? Why did he 2633 02:34:20.600 --> 02:34:22.920 say to justify that? I've not seen that before. 2634 02:34:22.959 --> 02:34:27.399 But yeah, I finally, I finally wrote a commentary up 2635 02:34:27.440 --> 02:34:29.120 and I said, this is so outrageous. I'm not going 2636 02:34:29.159 --> 02:34:30.520 to even send it to him. I'm just going to 2637 02:34:30.600 --> 02:34:32.840 write it and publish it. But I sent it to 2638 02:34:32.920 --> 02:34:36.639 him and advisors and said, you know what, how do 2639 02:34:36.719 --> 02:34:38.959 you just this is a take from the porn give 2640 02:34:39.000 --> 02:34:41.799 to the rich scheme, the worst take from the porn 2641 02:34:41.840 --> 02:34:44.559 give to the rich scheme I've ever seen. And what 2642 02:34:44.600 --> 02:34:46.840 are you leaving the governments with? Instead of having five 2643 02:34:46.920 --> 02:34:50.520 hundred trillion, you know of land and mineral resources, they 2644 02:34:50.600 --> 02:34:52.280 end up with a bunch of bitcoin. What are they 2645 02:34:52.360 --> 02:34:53.079 going to do with that? 2646 02:34:54.120 --> 02:34:54.520 Mm hmm. 2647 02:34:55.239 --> 02:34:56.840 It's worthless, It's going to be worthless. 2648 02:34:57.239 --> 02:34:59.319 Well. Yeah. One of the things that bothers me about 2649 02:34:59.360 --> 02:35:02.319 all this stuff too, of course, is tokenization. And you know, 2650 02:35:02.399 --> 02:35:06.399 you're talking about the bitcoin swap out for real assets 2651 02:35:06.399 --> 02:35:09.280 and land and things like that. Uh. And and I 2652 02:35:09.319 --> 02:35:13.680 call Howard Lutnik, I call him Lucky Lutnick. And you 2653 02:35:13.799 --> 02:35:15.639 got real Lucky on nine to eleven. You know. But 2654 02:35:15.920 --> 02:35:20.000 uh uh, you know he's he's all about tokenization. He's 2655 02:35:20.040 --> 02:35:23.840 like the tokenization King. And I'm very concerned about you know, 2656 02:35:23.879 --> 02:35:25.959 it's great if you if you get I think the 2657 02:35:25.959 --> 02:35:29.799 government under Biden was coming directly at him, going to 2658 02:35:30.079 --> 02:35:32.680 just prohibit it in their face. I'm concerned about what 2659 02:35:32.760 --> 02:35:35.159 is happening with the Trump administration. As you're pointing out. 2660 02:35:35.159 --> 02:35:37.879 You know, this one aspect of it here which is 2661 02:35:37.959 --> 02:35:41.680 very key, which is a switching out of of assets. 2662 02:35:41.680 --> 02:35:43.799 But it's also the privacy. And I know you're about 2663 02:35:44.000 --> 02:35:47.559 financial privacy and the importance of cash and things like that. 2664 02:35:49.000 --> 02:35:53.000 All this fascination with blockchain exposes all of that, and 2665 02:35:53.040 --> 02:35:54.079 so that's another aspect. 2666 02:35:54.399 --> 02:35:56.879 Well, it's it's up a two tier system where everything 2667 02:35:56.920 --> 02:36:00.719 we do is public and everything you know, there's a 2668 02:36:00.840 --> 02:36:02.840 second system that's totally private. 2669 02:36:03.079 --> 02:36:07.079 Yes, yes, right, increasingly that way with government all the time. 2670 02:36:07.079 --> 02:36:10.040 And they've just as part of this continuing resolution thing, 2671 02:36:10.120 --> 02:36:12.559 as the listener pointed out, they've got a clause in 2672 02:36:12.600 --> 02:36:16.159 there to hide data that is being passed around within 2673 02:36:16.360 --> 02:36:19.319 various committees and things like that within the House. So 2674 02:36:19.559 --> 02:36:23.920 again they're always trying to hide what they do and 2675 02:36:24.319 --> 02:36:26.200 have more information about what you're doing. 2676 02:36:26.959 --> 02:36:30.079 Well, let's look, let's look at a couple of key 2677 02:36:30.440 --> 02:36:34.719 strategic points. So the first thing they need if they're 2678 02:36:34.760 --> 02:36:38.319 going to get financial control is they need a digital ID. 2679 02:36:39.239 --> 02:36:42.479 And Trump has been promoting a digital ID, and the 2680 02:36:42.559 --> 02:36:46.680 Conservatives and Trump together, you know, they use immigration and 2681 02:36:46.799 --> 02:36:49.440 election fraud as an excuse for digital We do not 2682 02:36:49.639 --> 02:36:53.319 need a digital ID system. We had honest elections and 2683 02:36:53.399 --> 02:36:57.040 we had type borders before digital technology existed. So I 2684 02:36:57.040 --> 02:36:59.200 don't want to hear you know, that's a bunch of huey, 2685 02:36:59.799 --> 02:37:03.639 so you know, but they're using that as an excuse. 2686 02:37:03.680 --> 02:37:06.280 And I just saw one of the business newsletters I 2687 02:37:06.319 --> 02:37:09.520 get said that Congress will start off by doing addressing 2688 02:37:09.639 --> 02:37:12.559 election fraud and immigration right off the bat. And my 2689 02:37:12.680 --> 02:37:15.920 fear is that's an excuse to do a digital ID. 2690 02:37:16.040 --> 02:37:19.239 Now you have the States pushing the real ID. They've 2691 02:37:19.239 --> 02:37:23.040 been trying to push the real ID ever since since 2692 02:37:23.159 --> 02:37:25.879 nine to eleven, but it's been going slow at the States, 2693 02:37:26.040 --> 02:37:28.559 and we need to do everything we can. You know, 2694 02:37:28.639 --> 02:37:30.680 if I was a state legislator, I just get the 2695 02:37:30.760 --> 02:37:33.639 real ID thrown out of the DMV and we need 2696 02:37:33.680 --> 02:37:34.079 to do that. 2697 02:37:34.559 --> 02:37:37.079 And the essay is going to be pretty much demanding that. 2698 02:37:37.120 --> 02:37:39.239 They said this next year. We'll see what happens with that. 2699 02:37:39.799 --> 02:37:42.360 If you have a passport, they can't demand a real 2700 02:37:42.360 --> 02:37:43.600 ID you have a passport. 2701 02:37:44.559 --> 02:37:46.719 But they're also setting up there biometric thing. And that's 2702 02:37:46.760 --> 02:37:49.479 one of the things when Trump is talking about digital ID. Yeah, 2703 02:37:49.520 --> 02:37:51.360 air Land and see it is going to be biometric. 2704 02:37:51.479 --> 02:37:53.920 I mean, it's very very concerning. We saw DeSantis in 2705 02:37:54.040 --> 02:37:56.200 Florida and the rest of them saying we got to 2706 02:37:56.200 --> 02:38:01.920 have mandatory everify because of immigration and they'll taking people's jobs. 2707 02:38:02.280 --> 02:38:05.959 It's not true. Yeah, you know, it's absolutely not true. 2708 02:38:05.600 --> 02:38:08.000 So the first thing is you got to stop a 2709 02:38:08.079 --> 02:38:10.120 digital idea. The second thing you got to stop is 2710 02:38:10.159 --> 02:38:13.600 an all digital monetary system. Because if you have a 2711 02:38:13.639 --> 02:38:18.239 digital idea in an all digital monetary system, then we're saying, okay, 2712 02:38:18.319 --> 02:38:20.559 you know, then we can control where you go, what 2713 02:38:20.760 --> 02:38:23.360 you buy, and we know everything there is to know 2714 02:38:23.399 --> 02:38:26.319 about you. It's a complete surveillance system. And if you 2715 02:38:26.319 --> 02:38:28.520 don't behave. We can turn off your money, or we 2716 02:38:28.520 --> 02:38:31.120 can limit your money in a whole variety of ways, 2717 02:38:31.360 --> 02:38:35.280 and we can institute taxation without representation. Then the third 2718 02:38:35.319 --> 02:38:41.000 thing we need to stop is what we want is 2719 02:38:41.000 --> 02:38:45.760 we want the people's representatives to control and operate fiscal policy. 2720 02:38:45.879 --> 02:38:48.959 We don't want the central bankers controlling fiscal policy in 2721 02:38:49.000 --> 02:38:53.319 addition to monetary policy. The rise of the deep state 2722 02:38:53.479 --> 02:38:57.159 correlates almost perfectly with the rise of private corporations and 2723 02:38:57.239 --> 02:39:03.600 banks doing government operations. Okay, the idea that somehow DOSEE 2724 02:39:03.719 --> 02:39:06.360 is going to go in there, acquire all the civil 2725 02:39:06.399 --> 02:39:09.280 servants and put in big tech contractors and things are 2726 02:39:09.280 --> 02:39:12.719 going to get better, Nope, it's the opposite. If you've 2727 02:39:12.959 --> 02:39:15.719 if you finished getting rid of the civil service, you 2728 02:39:15.799 --> 02:39:19.360 will end up with the central banks and intelligence agencies 2729 02:39:19.600 --> 02:39:22.840 controlling and running everything, because that's who the corporations and 2730 02:39:22.879 --> 02:39:25.200 the defense contractors and the big tech companies are going 2731 02:39:25.239 --> 02:39:27.200 to report to. They're not going to report to Congress. 2732 02:39:28.120 --> 02:39:31.719 You know, Congress is you know that it's that's the 2733 02:39:31.799 --> 02:39:33.360 game over. So those are the. 2734 02:39:33.360 --> 02:39:35.879 Three really good point. That's a really good point about 2735 02:39:35.879 --> 02:39:37.559 dose Yeah, that's very important, right. 2736 02:39:37.840 --> 02:39:40.840 So those are the three things. You want to preserve 2737 02:39:41.559 --> 02:39:45.319 the legislature's controlling fiscal policy. You want to stop an 2738 02:39:45.360 --> 02:39:49.159 all digital monetary system, and you don't want to let 2739 02:39:49.200 --> 02:39:51.879 a DIGITALI the take effect, because if you get those 2740 02:39:51.920 --> 02:39:54.840 three things boom boom, boom boom, then we're talking about 2741 02:39:54.840 --> 02:39:57.799 living in a digital concentration camp in a slavery system. 2742 02:39:57.959 --> 02:40:00.959 Yeah, that's absolutely right, that's simple. And when they came 2743 02:40:01.000 --> 02:40:03.159 out and said, you know, before the election, a few 2744 02:40:03.159 --> 02:40:05.079 months before the election, we're not going to do CBDC 2745 02:40:05.200 --> 02:40:07.879 the Five Eyes States country. 2746 02:40:07.920 --> 02:40:09.680 You can do you can do it with credit cards 2747 02:40:09.719 --> 02:40:10.159 and crypto. 2748 02:40:10.280 --> 02:40:11.799 Yeah, they can do it with these pieces and a 2749 02:40:11.799 --> 02:40:13.840 lot of that is already in place with Master Corps. 2750 02:40:13.879 --> 02:40:18.360 Right. You want to stop is an all digital monetary system? Yes, yes, 2751 02:40:18.520 --> 02:40:22.200 an all digital monetary system. And it's not you know, 2752 02:40:22.239 --> 02:40:26.680 it's not forget CBDC versus forget all these different products 2753 02:40:26.680 --> 02:40:29.520 in the digital realm, you know, all of which could 2754 02:40:29.559 --> 02:40:32.000 be wonderful or terrible depending on how you do them. 2755 02:40:32.440 --> 02:40:36.280 So technology in a way is agnostic. It's how we 2756 02:40:36.440 --> 02:40:39.200 use it. So so all these things could be wonderful, 2757 02:40:39.239 --> 02:40:41.840 if they could be terrible. What we cannot afford is 2758 02:40:41.879 --> 02:40:44.799 an all digital system because it will be controlled by 2759 02:40:44.799 --> 02:40:46.159 the people who control the hardware. 2760 02:40:46.399 --> 02:40:48.840 That's right. Yeah, you know, and you know, I'm seeing 2761 02:40:48.840 --> 02:40:50.760 a lot of states got on boarding. A couple of 2762 02:40:50.840 --> 02:40:53.280 years ago. They were talking about it very heavily CBDC 2763 02:40:53.959 --> 02:40:56.159 and and so you've got a lot of different states 2764 02:40:56.159 --> 02:40:58.799 that are putting out stuff still to say we're not 2765 02:40:58.799 --> 02:41:01.559 going to have CBDC. They just rename it and it 2766 02:41:01.680 --> 02:41:04.239 morphs into something completely. You know, they just spend it 2767 02:41:04.280 --> 02:41:06.600 a little bit and you still get but the essence 2768 02:41:06.639 --> 02:41:09.840 that you're talking about there, there's a digital ID and 2769 02:41:10.440 --> 02:41:12.079 the fact that we have digital cash. That's what they 2770 02:41:12.120 --> 02:41:15.719 need to be focused on. The CBDC. They realize because 2771 02:41:15.719 --> 02:41:18.799 they watch conversations on social media. They realize that we're 2772 02:41:18.840 --> 02:41:21.239 onto that game. So they spend that game in a 2773 02:41:21.239 --> 02:41:23.319 different way and come around at a different angle. 2774 02:41:24.000 --> 02:41:26.440 So I want everybody to go to Solary and we 2775 02:41:26.639 --> 02:41:30.319 have a big new memo that we published. It's up 2776 02:41:30.319 --> 02:41:33.079 on PDF. You can download it, you can forward it, 2777 02:41:33.159 --> 02:41:35.719 you can link to it. It's called what the States 2778 02:41:35.719 --> 02:41:39.120 can do Building a legal and financial infrastructure for financial Freedom, 2779 02:41:39.600 --> 02:41:42.920 And it goes through is a very serious look at 2780 02:41:43.120 --> 02:41:46.479 all the different areas that a governor or state legislature 2781 02:41:47.040 --> 02:41:51.280 can implement to protect financial freedom within their jurisdiction, so 2782 02:41:51.319 --> 02:41:54.120 that no matter what the guys in Basel, Switzerland, or 2783 02:41:54.120 --> 02:41:57.360 what the guys in Washington or Wall Street do, you 2784 02:41:57.399 --> 02:42:00.760 can have financial freedom within your state. And the beauty 2785 02:42:00.799 --> 02:42:04.040 of the states, as you know, is they under the constitution, 2786 02:42:04.200 --> 02:42:07.479 the powers not delegated the federal government are reserved in states. 2787 02:42:07.920 --> 02:42:11.399 The states have the power to protect our financial freedom 2788 02:42:11.399 --> 02:42:14.959 in a way that protects our governmental and individual sovereignty. 2789 02:42:15.040 --> 02:42:18.319 And that was we've the Selary team has been working 2790 02:42:18.440 --> 02:42:21.280 night and day for two years to figure out, working 2791 02:42:21.280 --> 02:42:23.920 with different legislators and state leaders, how to do this, 2792 02:42:24.159 --> 02:42:27.559 and that information is up. I encourage you to download, 2793 02:42:27.639 --> 02:42:30.079 read it, send it to all the legislators. There's so 2794 02:42:30.159 --> 02:42:33.360 many great things that can be done. And for everything 2795 02:42:33.399 --> 02:42:37.319 we cover, David, we give you links and citations to 2796 02:42:37.399 --> 02:42:39.840 the states that have either done it or proposed it, 2797 02:42:40.319 --> 02:42:43.040 so you can find your counterparties around the country who 2798 02:42:43.040 --> 02:42:45.799 are working on this. Because there's a lot of good 2799 02:42:45.879 --> 02:42:50.239 coordination between the treasurers, the ags and the different state legislators. 2800 02:42:50.600 --> 02:42:52.959 You know, we're out well, you know, it's almost like 2801 02:42:53.040 --> 02:42:55.360 by twenty twenty two, we figured, okay, we got to 2802 02:42:55.440 --> 02:42:57.440 do this. You know, we're on our own. 2803 02:42:57.440 --> 02:43:00.200 We got to do this, that's right. So yeah, so 2804 02:43:00.760 --> 02:43:02.879 that is important and that's a big I mean, there's 2805 02:43:02.879 --> 02:43:04.959 things that we can do as individuals, and I'll ask 2806 02:43:04.959 --> 02:43:07.120 you about that a second, but it's very important that 2807 02:43:07.200 --> 02:43:09.120 we fight them at that level as well. Do you 2808 02:43:09.120 --> 02:43:11.520 have information sides of people who are on that board, 2809 02:43:11.559 --> 02:43:13.920 you know, information on state by state level as to 2810 02:43:14.879 --> 02:43:17.639 people who are open to this type of thing as well. 2811 02:43:18.040 --> 02:43:19.319 Yeah, so get in the game. 2812 02:43:19.760 --> 02:43:20.360 Yeah. 2813 02:43:20.440 --> 02:43:23.079 We found that a fair amount of our subscribers were 2814 02:43:23.200 --> 02:43:27.079 reticent to contact or communicate. They didn't know their state senator, 2815 02:43:27.159 --> 02:43:30.520 they didn't know their state representative. We kept saying, hey, listen, 2816 02:43:30.559 --> 02:43:34.600 those are the most important elections is here, so get involved. 2817 02:43:34.639 --> 02:43:37.639 But right beneath what the states can do the PDF, 2818 02:43:37.680 --> 02:43:41.319 we have another PDF called working with Your State Legislators. 2819 02:43:41.319 --> 02:43:44.079 That's a guide to if you feel, you know, I 2820 02:43:44.079 --> 02:43:45.520 don't know what to do, I don't know how to 2821 02:43:45.520 --> 02:43:48.559 get to know them, I don't know. You know, that's 2822 02:43:48.600 --> 02:43:50.520 the guide for you to get to know. Help you 2823 02:43:50.559 --> 02:43:52.559 get to know your state legislators and know sort of 2824 02:43:52.600 --> 02:43:55.440 how to get into the process and how to get 2825 02:43:55.440 --> 02:43:59.479 yourself acclimated. So that's there is a resource too. I 2826 02:43:59.520 --> 02:44:03.719 also want to mention we've announced we're going to take 2827 02:44:03.840 --> 02:44:06.719 one of the briefings I do and ask Catherine and 2828 02:44:06.719 --> 02:44:10.040 the Silary team and do a briefing in the second 2829 02:44:10.239 --> 02:44:15.559 Thursday of every month. We're reserving that time to brief 2830 02:44:15.600 --> 02:44:18.760 state legislators. And the first briefing is on January ninth, 2831 02:44:18.799 --> 02:44:23.600 on Thursday. It's for state legislators, state officials and their staff, 2832 02:44:24.079 --> 02:44:27.000 and state bankers if they want to invite the state 2833 02:44:27.040 --> 02:44:29.639 bankers with them, and of course the subscriber who ranges 2834 02:44:29.719 --> 02:44:34.200 it is invited as well. And that's the first one 2835 02:44:34.239 --> 02:44:36.520 in January ninth is going to be on the bitcoin 2836 02:44:36.600 --> 02:44:40.799 reserve scam. And we have a lot of state legislators 2837 02:44:40.760 --> 02:44:43.719 who who are receiving they're getting ASTRA to our females, 2838 02:44:44.600 --> 02:44:47.040 and so they need to understand what is this, how 2839 02:44:47.040 --> 02:44:48.879 does it work? Is it a good idea? Is it 2840 02:44:48.920 --> 02:44:51.159 not a good idea? If it's not a good idea, 2841 02:44:51.280 --> 02:44:53.680 why and how do I explain it to my constituents 2842 02:44:53.680 --> 02:44:54.799 and think it is a good idea? 2843 02:44:55.280 --> 02:44:58.120 And that's because you know, January ninth are going to 2844 02:44:58.120 --> 02:45:00.559 do that January twenty first one, Trump begin says first date, 2845 02:45:00.600 --> 02:45:02.760 We're going to do a bitcoin reserve very first day, 2846 02:45:03.440 --> 02:45:05.399 so it's important for people to understand what that is 2847 02:45:05.600 --> 02:45:05.920 before that. 2848 02:45:06.159 --> 02:45:08.760 So he doesn't have the legal authority to do a 2849 02:45:08.760 --> 02:45:13.079 bitcoin reserve. What he can do is the Marshal's Department 2850 02:45:13.120 --> 02:45:15.559 of Justice has seized two hundred thousand bitcoins or two 2851 02:45:15.600 --> 02:45:18.879 hundred and ten thousand bitcoins, and I'm assuming they're holding 2852 02:45:18.959 --> 02:45:22.239 those in the Asset Forfeitsure Fund. He in theory could 2853 02:45:22.319 --> 02:45:26.799 say I'm moving them to treasury. I'm not sure how 2854 02:45:26.799 --> 02:45:30.319 he does that without an appropriation, but he certainly has 2855 02:45:30.399 --> 02:45:32.159 those two hundred and ten thousand and he could say 2856 02:45:32.159 --> 02:45:34.760 I'm not going to sell them. Yeah, and that's a 2857 02:45:34.879 --> 02:45:38.000 bitcoin reserve. And he said at Bitcoin twenty twenty four 2858 02:45:38.079 --> 02:45:40.239 that he would do that, and I think he has 2859 02:45:40.280 --> 02:45:42.600 the power to do that if you look at the 2860 02:45:42.639 --> 02:45:45.319 idea of moving it to treasury and moving in accounts 2861 02:45:45.319 --> 02:45:48.440 without Congress's approval. I mean, if I was Congress, I 2862 02:45:48.440 --> 02:45:51.120 would nail him on that. Number one. But number two, 2863 02:45:51.159 --> 02:45:56.040 the idea Kennedy proposed by executive order that he would 2864 02:45:56.079 --> 02:46:00.159 he would free them from the capital gains tax, which 2865 02:46:00.680 --> 02:46:03.760 you know that is unconstitutional for a president by executive 2866 02:46:03.879 --> 02:46:06.959 order to make a radical change in American tax law 2867 02:46:07.040 --> 02:46:11.159 without congress. Oh yeah, without a comment period from the public. 2868 02:46:12.239 --> 02:46:14.440 I mean that's you know, hello. 2869 02:46:14.280 --> 02:46:17.200 Stalin, I know, well, I mean, look, just because it's 2870 02:46:17.239 --> 02:46:20.319 not legal or constitutional doesn't stop these guys. I mean, 2871 02:46:20.360 --> 02:46:23.200 look what Trump did with where we can take the 2872 02:46:23.239 --> 02:46:25.440 gun into the due process later, I can do gun 2873 02:46:25.440 --> 02:46:28.879 control by executive order, and they established that as a precedent, 2874 02:46:29.200 --> 02:46:30.920 you know, immediately to. 2875 02:46:31.040 --> 02:46:33.440 Be you know, and this is what happens when you 2876 02:46:33.520 --> 02:46:37.159 get these kind of financial pumps. Because I've lived through 2877 02:46:37.200 --> 02:46:40.799 so many pump and dumps, it's unbelievable. And of course 2878 02:46:40.879 --> 02:46:43.040 when you're in the pump, everybody thinks to the master 2879 02:46:43.079 --> 02:46:47.239 of the universe and a genius and then the bump 2880 02:46:47.360 --> 02:46:50.639 over and you know, but in the pump, you know, 2881 02:46:50.719 --> 02:46:54.200 there's no everybody feels so great, and there's so much 2882 02:46:54.239 --> 02:46:58.399 in trainment and subliminal programming. It's a religion, yes, and 2883 02:46:58.799 --> 02:47:02.159 you know you've seen it before. And suddenly, oh, the 2884 02:47:02.239 --> 02:47:07.360 constitution that's not important. Laws that are not important. Financial practices, 2885 02:47:07.680 --> 02:47:11.280 you know, good financial practices and rules. No, we don't 2886 02:47:11.280 --> 02:47:14.840 have to do that. It's young, it's innovative, it's creative, 2887 02:47:15.200 --> 02:47:16.040 it's the future. 2888 02:47:16.399 --> 02:47:18.799 Yeah, oh yeah, you know, as long as they're saying 2889 02:47:18.840 --> 02:47:21.000 all that about the tokenization stuff, Oh, this is going 2890 02:47:21.040 --> 02:47:22.239 to be so wonderful, you know, we're. 2891 02:47:22.079 --> 02:47:25.760 Going to well, here's what the tokenization need. The tokenization stuff. 2892 02:47:26.239 --> 02:47:29.120 The WEF says, it's twenty thirty and you have no assets. 2893 02:47:29.159 --> 02:47:32.559 If you create a token for everything and then start 2894 02:47:32.639 --> 02:47:35.840 to trade it, it's a great way to take everybody's assets, 2895 02:47:35.879 --> 02:47:37.719 that's right. I mean, it's just a taking system. 2896 02:47:37.920 --> 02:47:40.000 Well, you just look at what they did with the securitization, 2897 02:47:40.319 --> 02:47:43.840 which is essentially tokenization as well with the mortgages. You know, 2898 02:47:43.879 --> 02:47:45.920 you got something as a real tangible asset, and look 2899 02:47:45.959 --> 02:47:48.639 at the destruction that they did with that in two thos. 2900 02:47:48.719 --> 02:47:50.879 Well, but here's the thing, and I know this because 2901 02:47:50.920 --> 02:47:53.719 I was assistant sector of your housing. We had houses. 2902 02:47:53.760 --> 02:47:57.760 I have one house in Chicago I found that had 2903 02:47:57.879 --> 02:48:01.680 refinanced and defaulted five times in a year. Now, that 2904 02:48:01.879 --> 02:48:04.120 is the pattern you have when you have ten mortgages 2905 02:48:04.159 --> 02:48:07.559 on one house. Yeah right, okay. 2906 02:48:07.440 --> 02:48:09.159 And you mix it all together so nobody can see 2907 02:48:09.159 --> 02:48:10.719 any of that stuff as well. 2908 02:48:10.479 --> 02:48:13.440 Well, But the reason go back to Hamilton Securities, the 2909 02:48:13.520 --> 02:48:15.959 reason they seized our office and stole our software and 2910 02:48:15.959 --> 02:48:19.040 would never give it back is, you know our database 2911 02:48:19.159 --> 02:48:20.440 is we're going to show that there are a lot 2912 02:48:20.479 --> 02:48:24.399 more mortgages than there were homes in America. You know, 2913 02:48:24.440 --> 02:48:28.479 the mortgage flud was off the charts. So here's the 2914 02:48:28.559 --> 02:48:33.959 thing I think you know I wrote during the election. 2915 02:48:34.120 --> 02:48:36.680 I wrote a paper called Seleary Paper Number one. It's 2916 02:48:36.719 --> 02:48:39.680 up in our Missing Money website, and it's a review 2917 02:48:39.719 --> 02:48:42.040 of the Federal credit and it shows you all the 2918 02:48:42.079 --> 02:48:44.680 things that are wrong with the Federal credit. David, we 2919 02:48:44.719 --> 02:48:46.760 have run the federal credit that I know of since 2920 02:48:46.840 --> 02:48:49.760 nineteen ninety six, and we have refused to obey the 2921 02:48:49.760 --> 02:48:54.159 financial management laws. We have run the government significantly outside 2922 02:48:54.200 --> 02:48:56.559 of the financial management laws, and in a way I 2923 02:48:56.600 --> 02:48:59.920 would describe as criminal. And we know that there's two 2924 02:49:00.040 --> 02:49:04.040 anyone train that we've identified missing, and we know they 2925 02:49:04.280 --> 02:49:07.159 announced under the last Trump administration to take the book 2926 02:49:07.200 --> 02:49:12.120 start Now, if you're serious about reform, the first thing 2927 02:49:12.159 --> 02:49:13.760 you do is you say, I'm going to bring the 2928 02:49:13.799 --> 02:49:16.959 government back into compliance with the financial management laws. That's 2929 02:49:17.040 --> 02:49:20.079 number one. Number two, I'm going to find out, We're 2930 02:49:20.120 --> 02:49:22.079 all the twenty one tree in one and I'm going 2931 02:49:22.159 --> 02:49:23.680 to get it back, or I'm going to get the 2932 02:49:23.719 --> 02:49:27.559 related assets back, and I'm going to hold livel and 2933 02:49:27.639 --> 02:49:31.040 responsible for people who stole it, right, I mean, I'm 2934 02:49:31.040 --> 02:49:34.360 going to reverse the financial coup. And then the third 2935 02:49:34.399 --> 02:49:35.959 thing I'm going to do is I'm going to take 2936 02:49:35.959 --> 02:49:38.760 a look at all of our assets and you know, 2937 02:49:38.799 --> 02:49:41.239 whether it's our people or our land, and I'm going 2938 02:49:41.280 --> 02:49:43.200 to say, how do we get back to being productive? 2939 02:49:43.680 --> 02:49:46.000 Step one is we've got to stop poisoning our kids. 2940 02:49:46.360 --> 02:49:48.719 Yeah, that's right, right. 2941 02:49:48.520 --> 02:49:53.399 So you know our are if our people aren't, you know, 2942 02:49:53.639 --> 02:49:56.639 aren't our talent, then that's what's wrong. 2943 02:49:56.920 --> 02:50:00.639 Yeah, right, So what do you think because I think 2944 02:50:00.639 --> 02:50:03.520 of FDA now, I talk about it as being free 2945 02:50:03.559 --> 02:50:08.159 to do anything for you know, and so but at 2946 02:50:08.200 --> 02:50:10.479 the center of that is the poisoning the food and 2947 02:50:10.559 --> 02:50:14.520 the drugs. What do you think RFK Junior, assuming that 2948 02:50:14.559 --> 02:50:19.000 he gets through confirmation, I think if they get a 2949 02:50:19.040 --> 02:50:21.120 sense that he's serious about anything, they'll find some way 2950 02:50:21.200 --> 02:50:21.799 to go. 2951 02:50:22.280 --> 02:50:23.920 I think he's going to be I think he's going 2952 02:50:23.959 --> 02:50:25.639 to be confirmed, and I'll tell you why. I think 2953 02:50:25.639 --> 02:50:29.840 he's going to be confirmed the system on this issue. 2954 02:50:30.479 --> 02:50:34.000 Has lost his credibility, and if it doesn't reaffirm his credibility, 2955 02:50:34.000 --> 02:50:35.239 it's going to lose the channel. 2956 02:50:35.959 --> 02:50:38.239 Okay, okay, So what you. 2957 02:50:38.280 --> 02:50:43.799 See, there's always you steal, right, and then you you know, 2958 02:50:43.840 --> 02:50:46.920 you have a period of reform and everybody says, see, 2959 02:50:46.959 --> 02:50:49.000 we can go, we can trust the government, and then 2960 02:50:49.000 --> 02:50:51.200 you steal again, and then you reform. You know, it's 2961 02:50:51.239 --> 02:50:53.520 like a pendulum and you swing it back and forth. 2962 02:50:53.559 --> 02:50:54.959 It's like a harvesting machine. 2963 02:50:55.200 --> 02:50:57.760 And of course it's important for Trump to try to 2964 02:50:57.799 --> 02:51:01.479 recoup some of that lost trust after he was bragging 2965 02:51:01.559 --> 02:51:03.680 about his vaccine to put the guy that was a 2966 02:51:03.760 --> 02:51:06.200 vaccine skeptic in there, you know. And I looked at 2967 02:51:06.200 --> 02:51:07.719 it and I always thought, is that going to go 2968 02:51:07.799 --> 02:51:09.959 beyond the election? You know, will he actually put him 2969 02:51:10.000 --> 02:51:11.159 in there? And if he does put him in there, 2970 02:51:11.159 --> 02:51:11.920 will he do anything? 2971 02:51:13.040 --> 02:51:15.479 So it's funny, I will tell you I saw the 2972 02:51:15.680 --> 02:51:17.200 I don't know if you saw the interview he did 2973 02:51:17.200 --> 02:51:20.559 with Meet the Press where they were giving them a 2974 02:51:20.559 --> 02:51:25.680 hard time about vaccines, and he looked at the woman. 2975 02:51:25.760 --> 02:51:27.959 It was like she was like an economic kid lady. 2976 02:51:28.879 --> 02:51:31.000 He looked at the person doing the interview, and he said, 2977 02:51:31.040 --> 02:51:34.079 you know, I'm going to forget his exact words, but 2978 02:51:34.159 --> 02:51:37.639 he said, you know, we'd have a real problem and 2979 02:51:37.760 --> 02:51:41.479 we have to do something about it. You can't, you can't. 2980 02:51:41.600 --> 02:51:43.040 She said, well are you going to can't? He said, 2981 02:51:43.120 --> 02:51:45.440 I want to just get to the truth. He said, 2982 02:51:45.440 --> 02:51:48.040 but we used to have you know, one in every 2983 02:51:48.120 --> 02:51:51.239 hundred thousand was autistic. Now it's one in every hundred dollars. 2984 02:51:51.719 --> 02:51:54.760 My numbers say it's one in every there's differences in 2985 02:51:54.799 --> 02:51:57.360 the people I know between twenty and thirty. Yeah, but 2986 02:51:57.959 --> 02:52:01.760 whatever the number is. What he looks saying is you can't. 2987 02:52:02.120 --> 02:52:06.040 You can't. You have no future as a civilization. Mh, 2988 02:52:06.760 --> 02:52:09.639 you have no future. You can't let that go. You 2989 02:52:09.680 --> 02:52:11.120 have to get to the bottom of it and you 2990 02:52:11.200 --> 02:52:14.959 have to fix it. And she couldn't have cared less. 2991 02:52:15.559 --> 02:52:19.360 And we're just better at measuring this stuff. Now, that's 2992 02:52:19.399 --> 02:52:21.000 it's not really that we got more, you know, like 2993 02:52:21.120 --> 02:52:23.399 kind of nonsense we've heard for a while from these people. 2994 02:52:23.920 --> 02:52:26.559 You know, something, you can murder with a pen. You 2995 02:52:26.600 --> 02:52:29.360 can kill people with a pen. Yeah, and what she 2996 02:52:29.520 --> 02:52:33.879 is doing, you know, you never want to make the 2997 02:52:33.920 --> 02:52:36.760 Attorney General in the United States because there are a 2998 02:52:36.799 --> 02:52:39.200 lot of people who are going to get prosecuted. But 2999 02:52:39.239 --> 02:52:43.399 that's murder. Yeah, that's murder. That is really murder, and 3000 02:52:44.200 --> 02:52:48.520 that's wrong. It's just you know, some people should go 3001 02:52:48.639 --> 02:52:49.079 to help. 3002 02:52:49.520 --> 02:52:53.159 Yeah. Yeah, that's why I could never I could never 3003 02:52:53.239 --> 02:52:55.520 support Trump because of what happened with a vaccine and 3004 02:52:55.559 --> 02:52:57.280 the fact that he continued to cheer it, you know, 3005 02:52:57.399 --> 02:52:59.719 and to push this other stuff. But it'll be interesting 3006 02:52:59.760 --> 02:53:01.840 to see what happens. You know, we talk about pump 3007 02:53:01.840 --> 02:53:04.680 and dump, one of the things that immediately comes to 3008 02:53:04.719 --> 02:53:08.280 mind over this last year is artificial intelligence and the 3009 02:53:08.280 --> 02:53:11.159 things that is that going to be a big bubble 3010 02:53:11.200 --> 02:53:13.520 that's going to burst the stock market because I've never 3011 02:53:13.520 --> 02:53:16.879 seen a pump and dump like AI ever, and all 3012 02:53:17.079 --> 02:53:19.840 the amazing things that's going to do, and of course 3013 02:53:19.840 --> 02:53:22.239 it will have some useful purposes. But we already saw 3014 02:53:23.040 --> 02:53:25.360 the dot com bust. You know, the internet was going 3015 02:53:25.399 --> 02:53:26.120 to be a big deal. 3016 02:53:26.159 --> 02:53:29.239 And so let me let me make some guesses here. 3017 02:53:30.440 --> 02:53:33.280 I think the reason you're seeing the AI stocks fly 3018 02:53:33.680 --> 02:53:37.000 is because government's shoveling so much money at them figuring 3019 02:53:37.000 --> 02:53:40.920 it out. Because you need AI to build the control grid, 3020 02:53:42.040 --> 02:53:45.440 and you know, One of the things the feedback you 3021 02:53:45.479 --> 02:53:48.559 get from businesses is that businesses can't figure out a 3022 02:53:48.600 --> 02:53:52.639 way to use this stuff to make them profitable, so 3023 02:53:53.040 --> 02:53:56.719 they're struggling to turn it into real productivity, which is 3024 02:53:57.159 --> 02:53:59.920 you know, and in part that's one of any new technology. 3025 02:54:00.079 --> 02:54:02.920 That's always the truth. But I think one of the 3026 02:54:02.959 --> 02:54:05.479 reasons the talks are flying is the government is throwing 3027 02:54:05.600 --> 02:54:07.520 so much money at it because they need it for 3028 02:54:07.559 --> 02:54:11.040 the control grid, not because it creates fundamental economics. 3029 02:54:11.280 --> 02:54:14.319 Did you see Mark Andresen talking about why he flipped 3030 02:54:14.319 --> 02:54:16.479 to a Trump He said, first of all, they told him, 3031 02:54:17.120 --> 02:54:20.360 the guy that created Netscape, they tell him, don't even 3032 02:54:20.399 --> 02:54:22.520 bother get into AI. We're going to control that and 3033 02:54:22.520 --> 02:54:24.520 we're going to shut this down. He goes, he can't 3034 02:54:24.520 --> 02:54:27.159 do that. That's pretty outrageous, And you can't do that. Well, 3035 02:54:27.159 --> 02:54:29.280 we did it before, you know, we put entire fields 3036 02:54:29.280 --> 02:54:31.719 of physics off limits to other people. They told him, 3037 02:54:32.079 --> 02:54:34.000 And he said, wow, I learned a couple of things there. 3038 02:54:34.239 --> 02:54:38.000 He was really taken back by the frankness of the 3039 02:54:38.040 --> 02:54:40.479 Biden administration. It's kind of people they are are. They're 3040 02:54:40.520 --> 02:54:41.840 so incredible, that is frank. 3041 02:54:41.920 --> 02:54:43.719 But if you look at the deep state. They are 3042 02:54:43.719 --> 02:54:44.559 going to control one. 3043 02:54:45.399 --> 02:54:46.159 Yeah, that's right. 3044 02:54:46.200 --> 02:54:49.600 I mean that, you know, these guys. The goal of 3045 02:54:49.639 --> 02:54:52.000 the AI is to help them do the you know, 3046 02:54:52.040 --> 02:54:55.040 their version of the new governance system. Oh, I agree, 3047 02:54:55.120 --> 02:54:58.319 and it's back to the control grid. And you know, 3048 02:54:58.399 --> 02:55:01.719 one of my big questions. We've a section every you know, 3049 02:55:01.760 --> 02:55:05.000 we do a wrap up every quarter and every year, 3050 02:55:05.719 --> 02:55:09.840 and we have a whole section called Unanswered Questions. And 3051 02:55:10.079 --> 02:55:14.520 because there's so many you know, there's so many mysteries 3052 02:55:14.559 --> 02:55:19.639 in the world. But one of my unanswered questions is 3053 02:55:19.639 --> 02:55:22.639 is the reason these guys want total complete control is 3054 02:55:22.680 --> 02:55:25.840 so they can bring out free energy because they're terrified 3055 02:55:25.840 --> 02:55:29.280 of bringing it out. You know, free energy can be weaponized. 3056 02:55:29.360 --> 02:55:33.239 It can be very dangerous. So do they want total 3057 02:55:33.280 --> 02:55:36.639 control so they can finally bring out free energy? 3058 02:55:37.680 --> 02:55:41.360 You know, I don't know how would they weaponize free energy? 3059 02:55:42.239 --> 02:55:45.239 So I don't understand the physics. You'd have to talk 3060 02:55:45.280 --> 02:55:47.639 to the guys who really, you know, who do it. 3061 02:55:47.760 --> 02:55:50.879 I have one member, two members of our team were 3062 02:55:50.959 --> 02:55:53.760 the were the guys who did the breakthrough energy conferences. 3063 02:55:55.159 --> 02:55:58.239 If you go to global them and they drag me 3064 02:55:58.280 --> 02:56:01.520 along to a couple of them. But that you know 3065 02:56:01.719 --> 02:56:07.399 that technology can literally create weapons that can do huge destruction. 3066 02:56:07.719 --> 02:56:09.719 True, true, And of course it's a big part of 3067 02:56:09.719 --> 02:56:11.879 their control grid. You know, when you look at their 3068 02:56:11.879 --> 02:56:15.319 ability to control things, it comes back to not only 3069 02:56:15.600 --> 02:56:20.319 their monopoly essentially on money and financial assets, but it's 3070 02:56:20.360 --> 02:56:26.079 also a connection to energy, the ability to manufacture things. 3071 02:56:26.120 --> 02:56:28.000 But in the past they've even talked about how well, 3072 02:56:28.000 --> 02:56:30.159 you know, we just need to kind of switch over 3073 02:56:30.200 --> 02:56:34.719 away from these fiat currencies and start trading and energy credits. 3074 02:56:34.719 --> 02:56:37.639 And so you see things like carbon taxes, and you 3075 02:56:37.680 --> 02:56:41.520 see this carbon sequestration, which is another scam that I 3076 02:56:41.559 --> 02:56:44.959 see developing there in the background with Trump and these 3077 02:56:44.959 --> 02:56:47.280 people around him. I mean that that's going to be 3078 02:56:47.280 --> 02:56:49.360 a they're going to come out to tell people you can buy, 3079 02:56:49.479 --> 02:56:51.040 you can use any kind of energy you want, but 3080 02:56:51.079 --> 02:56:52.040 you just got to pay us. 3081 02:56:52.319 --> 02:56:56.440 Right, we don't have a fiat currency problem. I mean, 3082 02:56:56.600 --> 02:56:59.680 the currency that we have the problem with is debt based. 3083 02:57:00.959 --> 02:57:04.719 But we could easily evolve a dollar system into something 3084 02:57:04.760 --> 02:57:07.959 without deb basing. That could be great. The greatest currencies 3085 02:57:08.000 --> 02:57:11.280 throughout history have been fiat currencies that had good governance systems. 3086 02:57:12.159 --> 02:57:14.879 You know, But if you have a powerful fiat currency 3087 02:57:15.559 --> 02:57:19.200 that is basically run by a secret governance system. And 3088 02:57:19.319 --> 02:57:23.879 once you did, you know that's a problem. But you 3089 02:57:23.920 --> 02:57:26.520 know there's there's a difference between the problem being a 3090 02:57:26.559 --> 02:57:29.479 currency problem and an organized crime problem or a secret 3091 02:57:30.000 --> 02:57:32.200 Our problem is we have a secret governance system. We 3092 02:57:32.239 --> 02:57:34.920 don't have a financial problem. We have a we have 3093 02:57:34.959 --> 02:57:38.559 a political problem. We have a secret governance system, and 3094 02:57:38.680 --> 02:57:41.360 it's trying to centralize in control in a way that. 3095 02:57:41.319 --> 02:57:42.000 We don't want. 3096 02:57:42.159 --> 02:57:45.559 We want to be free. I agree that's a problem, 3097 02:57:45.239 --> 02:57:47.920 and it's just not a financial problem. 3098 02:57:48.680 --> 02:57:51.280 We've got about five minutes left, and I want to 3099 02:57:51.319 --> 02:57:52.840 ask you in a little bit of time that we've got, 3100 02:57:53.280 --> 02:57:55.879 what's your take on all this drone stuff? Certainly looks 3101 02:57:55.879 --> 02:57:57.520 like a setup to me. And of course they've got 3102 02:57:57.520 --> 02:58:00.000 a reauthorization thing that's going to been folded into they 3103 02:58:00.360 --> 02:58:03.200 continuing resolution. They could have gotten that pass by putting 3104 02:58:03.239 --> 02:58:06.479 in a continuing resolution. But it's looking more and more 3105 02:58:06.639 --> 02:58:09.399 to me like perhaps they as they start putting out 3106 02:58:09.440 --> 02:58:13.920 this narrative about radiation, I get concerned about a false flag, 3107 02:58:13.959 --> 02:58:16.239 dirty bomb or something to escalate. Well, what do you 3108 02:58:16.239 --> 02:58:17.000 think is going. 3109 02:58:16.799 --> 02:58:20.440 On with it? Bill? This is a wild guess. But 3110 02:58:20.520 --> 02:58:23.760 my guess is one of two things are going on. 3111 02:58:23.760 --> 02:58:27.600 One is they have those drones out. You know, it's 3112 02:58:27.639 --> 02:58:31.879 clearly a military intelligence operation, so it's either the military 3113 02:58:32.040 --> 02:58:36.319 and the intelligence agencies or it's their contractors doing it 3114 02:58:36.360 --> 02:58:40.319 for them. So they're either concerned and looking for something, 3115 02:58:43.959 --> 02:58:46.360 you know, so they you know, they have a real 3116 02:58:46.440 --> 02:58:50.399 concern about some kind of risk and they're doing the 3117 02:58:50.440 --> 02:58:53.600 surveillance to figure out what's going on, and you know, 3118 02:58:53.639 --> 02:58:57.479 it's a legitimate national security concern. Whatever that is. We 3119 02:58:57.559 --> 02:59:00.840 can speculate about that. This other thing is if you 3120 02:59:00.879 --> 02:59:03.360 look at how much money they've put in the defense 3121 02:59:03.399 --> 02:59:08.239 authorizations to build drunk capacity and where those people are, 3122 02:59:08.920 --> 02:59:11.200 you know, it's a lot of this is happening in 3123 02:59:11.239 --> 02:59:15.360 those corridors, and this could be sort of prototyping to 3124 02:59:15.440 --> 02:59:17.360 get people ready for the control grid. 3125 02:59:17.879 --> 02:59:18.399 Mm hmmm. 3126 02:59:19.360 --> 02:59:22.920 So you know, so they're planning on using a lot 3127 02:59:22.959 --> 02:59:24.799 of drones to run the control grid. 3128 02:59:25.280 --> 02:59:27.200 Yes, yeah, so it. 3129 02:59:27.159 --> 02:59:31.479 Could just be prototyping and getting folks used to this 3130 02:59:31.559 --> 02:59:32.799 kind of invasive drone. 3131 02:59:33.879 --> 02:59:35.840 What do you think of the idea that you know, 3132 02:59:35.840 --> 02:59:38.200 they're kind of planning this out there about it being radiation? 3133 02:59:38.840 --> 02:59:40.959 What about a false flying dirty bomb, so they could 3134 02:59:41.040 --> 02:59:42.479 escalate some of these wars. 3135 02:59:43.319 --> 02:59:46.200 What do you think, Well, I think I think they're 3136 02:59:46.319 --> 02:59:50.319 really concerned about you know, on the number one scenario, 3137 02:59:50.319 --> 02:59:54.280 they're doing surveillance. I think they could be really concerned 3138 02:59:54.280 --> 02:59:58.920 about dirty bombs or you know, whether it's a false 3139 02:59:58.959 --> 03:00:05.440 flag or a tear attack. Because we're in a world 3140 03:00:05.440 --> 03:00:12.719 of asymmetrical warfare. If you are basically engineering the death 3141 03:00:13.040 --> 03:00:18.559 of Russian generals in Moscow, then they feel free to 3142 03:00:18.639 --> 03:00:19.799 come and do the same here. 3143 03:00:20.440 --> 03:00:21.760 That's right, That's right. 3144 03:00:21.799 --> 03:00:24.680 I mean, that's and the Russians have warned if you 3145 03:00:24.920 --> 03:00:27.799 if you keep doing this, you know, if you invade 3146 03:00:27.840 --> 03:00:32.159 our sovereign territory and kill our military on our soil, 3147 03:00:32.239 --> 03:00:35.879 whether it's a missile or you know, assassination lifts. You know, 3148 03:00:35.879 --> 03:00:39.040 two can play this game, right, So we're in it 3149 03:00:39.159 --> 03:00:44.719 in a world of asymmetrical warfare, anything's possible. I've had 3150 03:00:44.840 --> 03:00:47.680 more than a few people over the over the years 3151 03:00:47.719 --> 03:00:50.399 tell me, you know, if so and so doesn't get 3152 03:00:50.399 --> 03:00:53.040 his way, he's going to set off a dirty bomb 3153 03:00:53.079 --> 03:00:57.319 in Chicago. I remember I had one member of the 3154 03:00:57.360 --> 03:01:00.639 intelligence agency you tried to persuade me that when they 3155 03:01:00.719 --> 03:01:03.239 thought they couldn't get a rand concert or really you know, 3156 03:01:04.280 --> 03:01:06.200 keep the lid on it that they were prepared to 3157 03:01:06.200 --> 03:01:09.600 blow up a small you know, a suitcase snooke in Chicago. 3158 03:01:10.159 --> 03:01:13.479 Yeah, oh, I mean go back in Northwood. I mean 3159 03:01:13.520 --> 03:01:16.040 they were there, will do nine eleven type stuff, you know, 3160 03:01:16.120 --> 03:01:17.520 back in the fifties, sixties, I. 3161 03:01:17.440 --> 03:01:21.200 Guess, yeah, right, So, so I think those strongs were 3162 03:01:22.600 --> 03:01:26.520 reflected military intelligence concerned that, you know, there was risk 3163 03:01:26.600 --> 03:01:27.559 and they had to find it. 3164 03:01:29.040 --> 03:01:31.000 Yeah, it is very concerning. You know, when I first 3165 03:01:31.000 --> 03:01:33.639 looked at it, thought well maybe this this authorization thing. 3166 03:01:33.680 --> 03:01:35.000 But the more I look at it more I think 3167 03:01:36.040 --> 03:01:38.879 they're going to get that to it, David quickly. 3168 03:01:40.000 --> 03:01:43.120 You know, the situation has moved to a real out 3169 03:01:43.159 --> 03:01:44.000 of control state. 3170 03:01:44.360 --> 03:01:44.799 Yeah. 3171 03:01:44.879 --> 03:01:48.399 And there are far too many very powerful people who 3172 03:01:48.440 --> 03:01:50.120 think chaos is good for business. 3173 03:01:50.239 --> 03:01:55.120 That's right, that's right. So they make money going up 3174 03:01:55.159 --> 03:01:57.440 and coming down, especially if they know when it's going 3175 03:01:57.479 --> 03:01:59.440 to go up and come down. That's the key thing 3176 03:01:59.520 --> 03:01:59.840 for them. 3177 03:02:00.399 --> 03:02:04.360 Well, part of it is the hubris. If you look 3178 03:02:04.399 --> 03:02:07.399 at what has been gotten away with the organized crime, 3179 03:02:07.479 --> 03:02:11.399 hubris is bad and you have many factions. So you know, 3180 03:02:11.520 --> 03:02:13.840 I think we're in for there's going to be plenty 3181 03:02:13.840 --> 03:02:16.719 of chaos in twenty twenty five. And it's not all 3182 03:02:16.879 --> 03:02:21.239 just going to be engineered. It's when a society loses 3183 03:02:21.360 --> 03:02:27.159 its bearings, you get real madness, and we're dealing We're 3184 03:02:27.200 --> 03:02:31.040 dealing more and more with people who are literally losing 3185 03:02:31.159 --> 03:02:31.799 their mind. 3186 03:02:32.239 --> 03:02:34.799 I agree. Well, let's talk a little bit about Solario 3187 03:02:34.959 --> 03:02:38.000 and the Selari Report. I've got a copy of the one. 3188 03:02:37.920 --> 03:02:40.040 One You've got to make us wrap up grade. 3189 03:02:40.120 --> 03:02:44.040 It's amazing the breadth of information that you get in 3190 03:02:44.120 --> 03:02:47.040 these reports, and of course you're always head of the 3191 03:02:47.079 --> 03:02:49.520 curve there at Solari dot com. Tell people a little 3192 03:02:49.520 --> 03:02:51.399 bit about the membership that's there. 3193 03:02:52.399 --> 03:02:55.520 So we have a subscription service. We'd love to have 3194 03:02:55.600 --> 03:02:59.719 you as a subscriber. As David pointed out, what every 3195 03:02:59.760 --> 03:03:03.479 quest we publish, we do a big wrap up of 3196 03:03:03.559 --> 03:03:06.280 the news, news trends and stories we take up. We 3197 03:03:06.360 --> 03:03:08.600 do a big wrap up of the equity markets and 3198 03:03:08.639 --> 03:03:11.680 the financial markets. But we also deep dive what I 3199 03:03:11.760 --> 03:03:17.319 call a primary theme. And I'm a great believer coming 3200 03:03:17.319 --> 03:03:19.879 out of the investment community that at any given time, 3201 03:03:20.040 --> 03:03:24.079 there there are twenty to twenty five primary trends that 3202 03:03:24.120 --> 03:03:26.920 are driving our world, like the you know, the growth 3203 03:03:26.959 --> 03:03:31.440 in space or the shift of economic activity to Asia. 3204 03:03:31.520 --> 03:03:34.040 These are long live trends, or at the bull market 3205 03:03:34.040 --> 03:03:36.760 and goal. These are long live trends if you take 3206 03:03:36.799 --> 03:03:39.959 the time to understand them, learn about them. You know, 3207 03:03:40.040 --> 03:03:42.319 you get that knowledge, and then it's good. You know, 3208 03:03:42.360 --> 03:03:45.360 it's good for twenty years because it's a long live trend. 3209 03:03:46.040 --> 03:03:49.239 And you're looking at the one we just did on water, 3210 03:03:49.600 --> 03:03:52.239 and everybody said to me, water, why is the clearly 3211 03:03:52.360 --> 03:03:54.319 report you know you're laying is money? Why are you 3212 03:03:54.319 --> 03:03:57.840 doing waters? The number one most important thing to the 3213 03:03:58.120 --> 03:04:01.959 to the financial value of a in real estate, it's 3214 03:04:02.000 --> 03:04:05.440 good water if the community has good water. Remember that 3215 03:04:05.520 --> 03:04:08.719 town in California where they stopped the water system. They said, 3216 03:04:08.719 --> 03:04:11.200 we can't afford to do it anymore, and suddenly these 3217 03:04:11.239 --> 03:04:14.680 five hundred thousand dollars houses were worth nothing. There was 3218 03:04:14.760 --> 03:04:19.040 no water system. You know, imagine so anyway, but water 3219 03:04:19.120 --> 03:04:21.319 is very, very important to the health and well being 3220 03:04:21.319 --> 03:04:23.360 in place. And one of the things I always say 3221 03:04:23.920 --> 03:04:26.600 the families, if you're going to reverse your situation in 3222 03:04:26.680 --> 03:04:29.399 the Great Poisoning, if you want to get out of 3223 03:04:29.440 --> 03:04:31.639 the Great Poisoning and get really healthy The first thing 3224 03:04:31.680 --> 03:04:33.959 you have to pay attention to is, you know, what 3225 03:04:34.079 --> 03:04:36.360 is the water you're drinking, what is the water you're bathing, 3226 03:04:36.360 --> 03:04:39.399 and what's the water you're putting on the you know, 3227 03:04:39.520 --> 03:04:43.520 on your garden, on your food. So anyway, so this 3228 03:04:44.399 --> 03:04:46.719 the last one was on water. The next one coming 3229 03:04:46.719 --> 03:04:49.959 out will include all the material on what the states 3230 03:04:50.000 --> 03:04:52.280 can do. But we also did a deep dive on 3231 03:04:52.440 --> 03:04:55.479 land bread. What did the tactics used to do land 3232 03:04:55.479 --> 03:04:59.360 grab and anyway, there's a wealth of information that can 3233 03:04:59.399 --> 03:05:02.639 help you with the state level. Really deal with the 3234 03:05:02.680 --> 03:05:04.799 fact that there's a whole group of people trying to 3235 03:05:04.840 --> 03:05:08.040 grab our land and in the meantime stick you know, 3236 03:05:08.200 --> 03:05:10.159 Ponzi schemes into our pension funds. 3237 03:05:10.319 --> 03:05:11.959 Well, he told us that we're going to own nothing. 3238 03:05:12.000 --> 03:05:14.319 We just have to figure out how that attack is 3239 03:05:14.360 --> 03:05:16.639 going to come and how we defend against it. 3240 03:05:16.680 --> 03:05:20.079 And that's what the Oh here's Larry's vision. It's twenty thirty. 3241 03:05:21.000 --> 03:05:23.639 You have more assets and are more prosperous than you 3242 03:05:23.680 --> 03:05:27.879 are today and Clashwab is in his chateau and that 3243 03:05:28.040 --> 03:05:29.719 helps in a state of keep depression. 3244 03:05:32.840 --> 03:05:35.399 That would be great. I like that vision. Thank you 3245 03:05:35.479 --> 03:05:37.799 so much. Catherine. It's always great to have you on 3246 03:05:37.879 --> 03:05:41.000 Solari and Solari Report is Slarry dot com and you 3247 03:05:41.000 --> 03:05:44.280 can find Salar Report, and I would underscore for everybody. 3248 03:05:44.360 --> 03:05:46.879 I'm definitely going to take a look at your article 3249 03:05:46.920 --> 03:05:50.120 there about hijacking bitcoin in your interview. I'm very interested 3250 03:05:50.159 --> 03:05:53.040 to see that because it's a great see part of 3251 03:05:53.159 --> 03:05:54.399 the next year that's coming up. 3252 03:05:54.520 --> 03:05:58.559 This guy, Steve Patterson, he is brilliant. So is Roger Fair. 3253 03:05:59.319 --> 03:06:01.440 You're really going to enjoy listening to him. I'm going 3254 03:06:01.479 --> 03:06:03.280 to try and get them back again because these are 3255 03:06:03.399 --> 03:06:06.360 these are both you know, I never explained what happened 3256 03:06:06.399 --> 03:06:08.799 to Roger, but after he published the book, the FEDS 3257 03:06:08.840 --> 03:06:11.360 went after him. Oh yeah, and I think given the scam, 3258 03:06:12.000 --> 03:06:14.280 the last thing they want is the truth about bitcoin. 3259 03:06:14.440 --> 03:06:19.399 And there's no if you look at Rogers qualifications to 3260 03:06:19.399 --> 03:06:22.479 to and and the book speaks for itself because if 3261 03:06:22.479 --> 03:06:26.280 you look at the research, the footnoting the material, it's impeccable. 3262 03:06:26.559 --> 03:06:28.799 Yeah, it's amazing. Let me just ask you real quickly 3263 03:06:30.159 --> 03:06:32.559 before we before the show ends, and we've gone over 3264 03:06:32.559 --> 03:06:35.079 a little bit here a couple of minutes, but I 3265 03:06:35.159 --> 03:06:37.440 got you on. I wanted I got to have you 3266 03:06:37.479 --> 03:06:39.879 on more often because it's always fascinating to have you on. 3267 03:06:40.239 --> 03:06:42.360 What do you think about gold? You're talking about long 3268 03:06:42.440 --> 03:06:43.200 term trends of this. 3269 03:06:44.040 --> 03:06:47.159 We're in a long term bull market for We're in 3270 03:06:47.159 --> 03:06:48.840 a long term bull market for gold. 3271 03:06:49.239 --> 03:06:53.319 So I don't see anything fundamentally changing either, do you. 3272 03:06:53.319 --> 03:06:56.479 No, I don't think there's anything new, anything changing, other 3273 03:06:56.520 --> 03:06:59.120 than there's a major marketing push to get everybody to 3274 03:06:59.239 --> 03:07:03.239 not buy gold to my big crypto. But it's working, 3275 03:07:03.319 --> 03:07:06.239 you know. It's imagine if it hadn't been for bitcoin 3276 03:07:06.280 --> 03:07:08.280 and crypto, gold would be through the moon. So it's 3277 03:07:08.680 --> 03:07:11.559 been very successful, and the central bankings are free to 3278 03:07:11.600 --> 03:07:12.479 buy and buy and buy. 3279 03:07:12.799 --> 03:07:16.479 That's right, absolutely well, thank you so much, Catherine. Always 3280 03:07:16.479 --> 03:07:20.639 great to have you. Solari dot com fascinating information, great insights. 3281 03:07:20.680 --> 03:07:23.040 Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, thank you. 3282 03:07:23.239 --> 03:07:25.159 And let me just get to a couple of these 3283 03:07:25.159 --> 03:07:28.520 comments here as we play the music rolling us out here, 3284 03:07:29.479 --> 03:07:32.159 we got guard Goldsmith said. What she says is so true. 3285 03:07:32.200 --> 03:07:34.719 I recall reason reported men tend to look at large 3286 03:07:34.719 --> 03:07:37.920 systems and politics, federalism, et cetera, while women tend to 3287 03:07:37.920 --> 03:07:40.760 stay more local on school kids and politics and so 3288 03:07:40.840 --> 03:07:45.920 forth and yeah again, Guard Goldsmith, Liberty Conspiracy every Night 3289 03:07:46.079 --> 03:07:50.479 and on rock Fan and on Twitter and Drameda one. 3290 03:07:50.520 --> 03:07:52.959 Thank you very much for the tip, says Katanji. Brown 3291 03:07:53.040 --> 03:07:55.280 Jackson identifies as a woman. Actually can't explain why a 3292 03:07:55.280 --> 03:07:58.120 woman is because she's not a biologist. We're living in 3293 03:07:58.120 --> 03:08:00.079 the twilight zone. Merry Christmas, Thank you. 3294 03:08:01.319 --> 03:08:04.760 I wish I had a Christmas Night album. You can 3295 03:08:04.760 --> 03:08:07.760 get the Christmas Night Album at the Davidnightshow dot com 3296 03:08:07.760 --> 03:08:11.360 for just thirteen ninety nine. There's right in the second 3297 03:08:11.360 --> 03:08:14.920 floor there, say. 3298 03:08:16.079 --> 03:08:18.399 Would you wish, George, Well, not just one, wish your 3299 03:08:18.399 --> 03:08:19.959 whole hat flow first. 3300 03:08:19.959 --> 03:08:22.840 I'm going to the Davidnightshow dot com and purchase the 3301 03:08:22.879 --> 03:08:26.520 Christmas Night Album. Then I'm gonna listen to Christmas classics 3302 03:08:26.879 --> 03:08:27.959 like who are you Gonna Throw it up? 3303 03:08:28.319 --> 03:08:30.000 I want the Christmas Night Album too. 3304 03:08:32.319 --> 03:08:33.200 Yeah, that's pretty good. 3305 03:08:37.799 --> 03:08:40.040 Hello girls, can't you come out tomorrow? 3306 03:08:40.079 --> 03:08:40.840 Can't you come old? 3307 03:08:43.280 --> 03:08:47.760 David's Christmas Night Album includes twenty one instrumental Christmas melodies 3308 03:08:47.799 --> 03:08:51.120 like God Rest You, Merry Gentlemen, Silent Night, and It's 3309 03:08:51.159 --> 03:08:52.879 all new. 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