Speaker 1: Gregory Wrightstone, and he is a very experienced person in
Speaker 1: terms of science, actual science, talking about climate change. He
Speaker 1: is a geologist with more than thirty five years of
Speaker 1: experience researching and studying various aspects of the Earth's processes.
Speaker 1: He was recently accepted as an expert reviewer for the
Speaker 1: un IPCC, the Inner Governmental Panel on Climate Change. And
Speaker 1: I'll have to ask him about that. Maybe he is
Speaker 1: somebody kind of like Scott Atlas on the COVID team
Speaker 1: loan dissenter. But his science and fact based approach exposes
Speaker 1: many of the alarmist myths concerning our changing climate. Gregory
Speaker 1: is a strong proponent of the scientific process and believes
Speaker 1: that policy decisions should be driven by science, by facts,
Speaker 1: by data, not by a political agenda. The book that
Speaker 1: he has published is A very Convenient Warming, How Modest
Speaker 1: Warming and more co two are benefiting humanity. Great to
Speaker 1: have you on. Thank you for joining us, Gregory Wrightstone.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, David, actually for the new book.
Speaker 2: My birthday was last week and I woke up on
Speaker 2: the well my birthday, went to the computer and loan
Speaker 2: and behold that A very convenient Warming. My newest book
Speaker 2: was at number one best seller on Amazon and what
Speaker 2: a birthday gift. I couldn't have asked for anything better.
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, my first book was a regular there.
Speaker 2: So we're trying to get the word out. I'm also
Speaker 2: executive director of the CO two Coalition, which is the
Speaker 2: pre eminent scientific organization of skeptical scientists. We have physicists,
Speaker 2: I'm a geologist, energy experts and the like, and they
Speaker 2: all believe as I do, is that CO two is
Speaker 2: beneficial by a lot. He's usually beneficial, and there is
Speaker 2: no climate crisis and we should celebrate how earthse ecosystems
Speaker 2: are thriving and prospering.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree one hundred percent with that, and yeah,
Speaker 1: this stuff about carbon sequestration is just the most astounding
Speaker 1: thing I have ever seen. But again, that website is
Speaker 1: CO two Coalition dot org, and we'll talk a little
Speaker 1: bit more about that as well. But what we're seeing
Speaker 1: in the news, and you've experienced a little bit of
Speaker 1: this as well. They have all seized upon these hurricanes
Speaker 1: as climate change. Tell us a little bit about what
Speaker 1: you've been going through there in Florida.
Speaker 2: You're in Florida, Well, well, I've been pointing out I
Speaker 2: use science facts and data data to support my stances
Speaker 2: and my narrative, and it flies in the face of
Speaker 2: most of all you're hearing on the media, mainstream media
Speaker 2: and in hurricanes. I've been tested. My beliefs that climate
Speaker 2: changes and driving hurricanes have been tested in the last
Speaker 2: two weeks, but I still came through and I'm looking,
Speaker 2: I'm relying on my scientific work to dispute a man
Speaker 2: made driven climate crisis. My home is an Apollo Beach
Speaker 2: about twelve miles south of Tampa. And if you recall
Speaker 2: a day and a half or two days before landfall,
Speaker 2: he was at a Cat five and man, my home
Speaker 2: was right and acrosshairs and we looked even some of
Speaker 2: the seasoned old salts in the area. They looked at
Speaker 2: it and they said, man, we're bailing out. We've never
Speaker 2: left before. It looked bad and because it was going
Speaker 2: to hit it. But our experts in the two Coalition
Speaker 2: were saying, no, no, no, no, no, it's going to
Speaker 2: land as a category two, maybe category three. This is
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. And they also predicted that there
Speaker 2: would be no instead of a storm surge at Tampa.
Speaker 2: They told me, no, we saw it at end and
Speaker 2: when the end struck, this will be about to be similar.
Speaker 2: There will actually be a negative surge. In other words,
Speaker 2: it would suck water out of the band. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what they found. So it made we bailed out. We've
Speaker 2: been hit the week before by Helene. We escaped any flooding,
Speaker 2: but the area around us was hit pretty hard. A
Speaker 2: bookkeeper's home was was devastated. We actually did a GoFundMe
Speaker 2: campaign for her and raised thirty three thousand dollars in
Speaker 2: two days. And what a blessing that was to her,
Speaker 2: She says, in my darkest time of my life, you
Speaker 2: guys came through and I may just you know, you're
Speaker 2: you're being You're brightening and making this so much more bearable.
Speaker 2: So we can do one We we can't help everybody,
Speaker 2: but we helped her. But we made what seemed to
Speaker 2: be a reasonable decision instead of fleeing north, but to
Speaker 2: go southeast to the other side of the state. And
Speaker 2: we went to Vero Beach condo of a friend. And
Speaker 2: if you may recall that, we couldn't have chosen a
Speaker 2: worse place to evacuate too in the United States or
Speaker 2: probably the world. It was this huge super storm cell
Speaker 2: at about four pm came through our area. It was giant,
Speaker 2: it was gnarly, and it was it was scary. And
Speaker 2: the tornadoes hit. And the tornado near us went right
Speaker 2: up along Highway A one A. If you're a Jimmy
Speaker 2: Buffett fan, you know Highway A one A, and it's
Speaker 2: right up by two miles wath of that. It actually
Speaker 2: hit the condo that was next to the part of
Speaker 2: our building was next to us, and it was I
Speaker 2: was doing a live video interview with another host at
Speaker 2: the time, and there's like alarms going off, lightning lights
Speaker 2: are flashing. He said, this is great. I mean, you'll
Speaker 2: never have another interview like that, you know, with his
Speaker 2: with his guest in the middle of being hit by
Speaker 2: a tornado in a hurricane. But bear in mind those
Speaker 2: that tornado hit at four point thirty. The landfall didn't
Speaker 2: occur until eight thirty, four hours later, so this preceded that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but again I took a look at the our newsletter
Speaker 2: for the CO two Coalition. Go to CO two Coalition
Speaker 2: dot org to subscribe. You'll love it. I give some
Speaker 2: more detail. We're having a newsletter go out today about
Speaker 2: my experience. We also have information I took a look
Speaker 2: at landfalling hurricanes, and that's the best measure if you
Speaker 2: want to look at long term hurricane information. Landfalling hurricanes
Speaker 2: for the United States are the best because we can
Speaker 2: take that confidently. We know every single hurricane that's made
Speaker 2: landfall in the United States going back to at least
Speaker 2: eighteen fifty and that's because they're so big you can't
Speaker 2: miss it. And right we know it's made landfall, it's
Speaker 2: been recorded. And so if we look at landfalling hurricanes,
Speaker 2: we find in the United States there have been in decline.
Speaker 2: I looked at Florida land falling hurricanes and they've also
Speaker 2: been in decline. So that's a pretty good metric. And
Speaker 2: the other thing they're saying is that hurricane intensity is increasing.
Speaker 2: That's not borne out by the evidence. If you look
Speaker 2: at the globally accumulated cyclone energy that Ryan Malley and
Speaker 2: the NOAH do, that's basically an estimate of the intensity
Speaker 2: of the hurricanes, which translates to windspeed, and it's been
Speaker 2: pretty flat. He could probably argue there's been a slight decline,
Speaker 2: but there's definitely been not a significant trend either up
Speaker 2: or down, and in fact, Christopher land Sea. And what
Speaker 2: a great name for he's a Noah hurricane expert.
Speaker 1: Or at least he used.
Speaker 2: What a great name for a hurricane expert. Christopher land
Speaker 2: Sea is almost as good as a geologist with the
Speaker 2: last name of wright Stone, isn't it Christopher Lansy. One
Speaker 2: of his last he left he told the truth about hurricanes.
Speaker 2: His last analysis said, well, you know, maybe hurricane intensity
Speaker 2: is increasing by maybe one percent. Okay, let me ask you, David,
Speaker 2: if you were standing on C S to key, could
Speaker 2: you tell the difference between one two and one hundred
Speaker 2: and three miles per hour? I think so, and that's
Speaker 2: what so.
Speaker 1: Give the minute.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's say he's right, you can't. It's it's so
Speaker 2: little that it's meaningless.
Speaker 1: And can they measure that? You know? I mean it is.
Speaker 1: But you see this panic everywhere in the in the UK,
Speaker 1: the Express, that's what person says, Well, maybe I slipped
Speaker 1: through this, but the headlines storm tracker map shows a
Speaker 1: path of Hurricane Kirk with a monster seventy five mile
Speaker 1: an hour gales to batter Britain and it is just
Speaker 1: filled with over the top bombastic alarmism. It's horrific. The
Speaker 1: UK is bracing for. This is going to be brutal,
Speaker 1: a shocking weather forecast sweeping in with widespread destruction, just panic, panic,
Speaker 1: panic everywhere. And he says, well, it didn't even notice
Speaker 1: that if it came, you know, so, and that's what
Speaker 1: we're seeing. We're seeing that kind of hype and they
Speaker 1: don't really as you point out a one percent difference,
Speaker 1: can they even measure that, as you said, you can't
Speaker 1: feel it. Can they really accurately measure that and record it,
Speaker 1: comparing it to the of measurements that they had a
Speaker 1: century ago? Did they were they accurate? Even if they're
Speaker 1: accurate today, So we don't know that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's all about creating a climate of fear. They
Speaker 2: have to create two words I want to use here,
Speaker 2: fear and control. They need to establish a climate of fear.
Speaker 2: They need you and your viewers to say, oh, oh no,
Speaker 2: it's a climate catastrophe and it's our fault. Millions will die,
Speaker 2: there's a climate crisis, will have crop failure, pestilence and
Speaker 2: nasty population because of man made global warming. So they
Speaker 2: have to establish this climate of fear because they're object
Speaker 2: is really what their proposals are is to control every
Speaker 2: aspect of your life. They want to control how much
Speaker 2: water comes out of your shower, what kind of car
Speaker 2: you drive, how you heat your home, how cool you
Speaker 2: keep it in the summer, and how hot you warm
Speaker 2: it in the winter. That we could go on and
Speaker 2: on on what you eat.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean all that. I mean they're shutting
Speaker 1: down farms now, the EPA is going to start shutting
Speaker 1: down farms with us. It is absolutely amazing, and we
Speaker 1: understand that it's that's what the real purpose of all
Speaker 1: this stuff is. And they have a lot of different
Speaker 1: things that they throw out there, always with the same
Speaker 1: thing in mind. That's why I refer to it as mcguffin.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter what the thing is, but it's
Speaker 1: about creating the fear so that you can bring in
Speaker 1: these controls. And it's always the same controls I want
Speaker 1: to bring.
Speaker 2: In those same people. Aren't they so proud that we
Speaker 2: support choice? I support choice? Well, no, they don't. Now
Speaker 2: I would like to choose what kind of car to drive,
Speaker 2: I would like to choose what kind of dishwasher to buy.
Speaker 2: I'd like to choose all those things, and they don't
Speaker 2: want to give you that choice do they It's fear
Speaker 2: and control, fear and they want you Why else would
Speaker 2: we voluntarily give up our freedoms only if there truly
Speaker 2: is an existential threat to humanity, and it's just not there.
Speaker 2: And what we see, David, this new book. My first
Speaker 2: book was Inconvenient Facts. It's now sold almost one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand copies. It's in that book we established pretty clearly
Speaker 2: that there is no climate crisis. We've gone a step
Speaker 2: further in this new book and with the CO two coalition,
Speaker 2: is not only is there not a climate crisis, but
Speaker 2: by almost every metric we look at Earth, pschosystems are
Speaker 2: thriving and prospering, and humanity is benefiting from that probably
Speaker 2: And you have a Christian show here, and this really
Speaker 2: goes back to the heart of you know, if we
Speaker 2: were going to have killed PEP hundreds of millions of people,
Speaker 2: we should do something about it. But just the opposite
Speaker 2: is occurring. We're seeing a huge benefits to humanity and
Speaker 2: their solutions, particularly in the developing world, the Asia and Africa.
Speaker 2: They want to they don't want to lift these people
Speaker 2: out of poverty by using affordable, abundant, reliable energy that
Speaker 2: can be dry from natural gas and coal. They want
Speaker 2: to keep them with their someb down and let them,
Speaker 2: don't let them prosper.
Speaker 1: And that's what they want to do to us as well.
Speaker 1: You've now got the e p A is focused now
Speaker 1: on shutting down power plants. And of course they've been
Speaker 1: shutting them down for a while now because oh, well,
Speaker 1: can't have coal or whatever. But the EPA has come
Speaker 1: after them now with a vengeance with their emissions and
Speaker 1: so forth, and so as they shut down the grid.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And they need more power for the AI. So they're
Speaker 1: going to put these small nuclear reactors out there, but
Speaker 1: it's only going to be power for them. They're going
Speaker 1: to shut down affordable reliable energy for us. And uh.
Speaker 1: And that that really is the concern, and that really
Speaker 1: is the agenda. I think that is control and impoverish
Speaker 1: and austerity.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: That really is the way that they can control us
Speaker 1: as through poverty.
Speaker 2: It is. And you had two of the three words
Speaker 2: I use for electricity. What we should look for, it's affordable, reliable,
Speaker 2: and abundant. In other words, we can get a we
Speaker 2: get a big bang for our buck. And that's what
Speaker 2: we get with nuclear as well with nuclear cold natural gas.
Speaker 2: And again, since we are not going into a climate
Speaker 2: crisis that is driven by CO two, but rather CO
Speaker 2: two is beneficial, there's no way we should be trying
Speaker 2: to do carbon capture or take the carbon mitigation strategies.
Speaker 2: We're actually be hurting ourselves. And the other thing that's
Speaker 2: really interesting, it's one of my pet it's the section
Speaker 2: of the book is one of my favorite things to
Speaker 2: talk about, is a strong relationship between human history and
Speaker 2: climate history. To find that it's completely opposite of what
Speaker 2: we're being told. We're being told, oh, we can't, we
Speaker 2: must fear the heat, the heat will cause terrible things. Well,
Speaker 2: look back over the last several thousand years to see
Speaker 2: what happened, to find that we are in a warming trend,
Speaker 2: but it's been warming for more than three hundred years.
Speaker 2: There were three other warming trends similar to what we're
Speaker 2: in right now, but all three were hotter, ended up
Speaker 2: warmer than what we are today, and all three were
Speaker 2: hugely beneficial and improvements we saw to the human condition.
Speaker 2: During each one of those warm periods, life was good,
Speaker 2: food was bountiful, The great empires, the civilizations rose up.
Speaker 2: The first of those was the Bronze Age. It was
Speaker 2: called the Minoan Warm period. The first great civilizations rose up,
Speaker 2: the Assyrians, the Hittits, the Babylonians, the Harapan Empire in
Speaker 2: the Indus River Valley. All those great civilizations around the
Speaker 2: world rose up during a really, really warm time and
Speaker 2: then it started getting cold, and really bad things happened.
Speaker 2: And each one of the times when it started getting cold,
Speaker 2: and we see these cold periods are associated with famine,
Speaker 2: crop failure, pestilence, and masty population. And so it was
Speaker 2: that led to the Greek Dark Age is and it
Speaker 2: really didn't get good until we got into the Roman
Speaker 2: Warm period, the time of Christ. At that time, again,
Speaker 2: food was bountiful, life was good. North Africa was the
Speaker 2: bread basket. You may not be aware of the Roman army.
Speaker 2: It's not much of a bread basket today. So it
Speaker 2: then when it started getting cold again. There were a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons for the Roman Empire's fall. Cold was
Speaker 2: probably a contributing factor, and that led to what was
Speaker 2: called the Dark Ages. And then the Medieval warm period
Speaker 2: was again life was good, empires arose, food was bountiful,
Speaker 2: and then that led to the recent cooling period called
Speaker 2: the Little Ice Age. It was probably the coldest time
Speaker 2: of the last ten thousand years, and it was again
Speaker 2: maybe fifty percent of Iceland perish during that time. One
Speaker 2: third of the population of the Earth perish during that time,
Speaker 2: and particularly northern Europe. We have a lot of great
Speaker 2: records of just how terrible it was, recalled Valley Forge
Speaker 2: and George Washington. It was very cold. For example, not
Speaker 2: far from where I am right now is Mount Vernon
Speaker 2: and George when they lived there during this little ice age,
Speaker 2: that was really cool cold. Martha liked to enjoy ice
Speaker 2: center drinks in the summer, so George built an ice house.
Speaker 2: They dug in and he would have his indentured service
Speaker 2: and slaves got down in the winter, and it froze very,
Speaker 2: very thick ice every year. It doesn't do that, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think in the eighties there was one winter where
Speaker 2: it did that. So we can use historical data like that.
Speaker 2: People understand that and they'll go, oh, yeah, if the
Speaker 2: Potomac River was freezing solid, nearly solid every winter and
Speaker 2: it only happens once every thirty years, now, well, it
Speaker 2: had been a lot colder then, And we can use
Speaker 2: that same historical data to show how warm it was
Speaker 2: during the Medieval warm time period, the Roman warming period,
Speaker 2: and so much warm.
Speaker 1: But again.
Speaker 2: History tell They would call me a science denier, but
Speaker 2: I would call them history deniers because they're denying history
Speaker 2: shows conclusively that warm is much much better than cold.
Speaker 2: We should welcome you once and fear the cold.
Speaker 1: And of course cycles through there, and especially if you've
Speaker 1: got a Roman toga that those drafts can get really bad,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: The ones that they were togas. There's a reason they
Speaker 2: go togas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Washington caught a cold riding around and that was well.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was what killed him. It
Speaker 1: might have been the bleeding in the mercury that they
Speaker 1: gave him. But that brought it all on. Talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about what happens, you know, because part of
Speaker 1: what we're seeing now is we've had situations back in
Speaker 1: the middle of the teen Unders. I forget the exact
Speaker 1: date when Krakatoa happened. They had a little mini ice
Speaker 1: age at that point in time as well, because there
Speaker 1: was a lot of debris that was sent up by
Speaker 1: the volcano on land. Some people have talked about and
Speaker 1: I forget where it was in the South Pacific that
Speaker 1: was recently, like last year or two years ago something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. The water volcano and that puts up water
Speaker 1: vapor that has a warming effect. If it's a land
Speaker 1: volcano that has a cooling effect. We have so many
Speaker 1: natural processes that have amazing and direct influence. You know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about solar activity or we're talking about volcanic activity.
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about that. It's not all man made.
Speaker 1: What's happening right.
Speaker 2: Well, the increase in CO two is man made for
Speaker 2: the most part. The vast majority is from US using
Speaker 2: fossil fuels. But I'm okay with that. I'm okay with
Speaker 2: a large carbon fliprint because what we're saying is CO
Speaker 2: two is beneficial. We have a paper that I'm finalizing
Speaker 2: right now. It's actually a lengthy ninety two page summary,
Speaker 2: but it's highly detailed science and we'll use seven different
Speaker 2: lines of evidence to verify and conclude that the increase
Speaker 2: in CO two of fifty percent since the Industrial Revolution
Speaker 2: is from man. There are some people out there saying
Speaker 2: it's not, but we're emitting huge amounts of CO two
Speaker 2: into the atmosphere. If you do that, it's got to
Speaker 2: increase atmosphereic CO two and so you know we have that,
Speaker 2: and I started rambling on I forgot the question, the
Speaker 2: original question you asked for.
Speaker 1: Well, I was talking about natural processes in terms of,
Speaker 1: you know, changing the climate and that type of thing.
Speaker 2: They're also there's some false things out there that are
Speaker 2: being spread. One is that volcanoes provide huge amounts of
Speaker 2: CO two. And there's one report to Mount Pinatubo when
Speaker 2: it when rup did it put out more CO two
Speaker 2: and during the eruption than was Man's every emitted. And
Speaker 2: that's just categorically false because we know how much CO
Speaker 2: two was emitted by Man that year I think it
Speaker 2: was nineteen ninety one. We also know closely how much
Speaker 2: CO two was put out by Pinatubo, and it turns
Speaker 2: out that that eruption put out two tenths of the
Speaker 2: percent of the CO two emitted that year of Man two.
Speaker 2: So it's a small contribution that gets a lot of play.
Speaker 2: They try and downplay our contribution to Cooto.
Speaker 1: Well, what I was talking about was the ejection of
Speaker 1: material in the upper atmosphere, which would be a cooling.
Speaker 2: A lot A lot of people think that the volcano
Speaker 2: there are two types of volcanoes. One's explosive, think Mount
Speaker 2: Saint Helen's Pinatubo. The other type is called effusive volcanoes,
Speaker 2: which just kind of flows out, think of Killaway. We
Speaker 2: see that a lot some of the volcano of the
Speaker 2: eruptions at Iceland, these are big, huge lava flows, and
Speaker 2: those tend to put out more CO two than the
Speaker 2: explosive volcanoes. And some of these there were a couple two.
Speaker 2: There were two huge lava flows that were effusive. One
Speaker 2: was called the Deccan Traps, the other was the Siberian Traps.
Speaker 2: These these volcanoes flowed for millions of years, and we're
Speaker 2: emitting CO two for millions of years and probably contribute
Speaker 2: a fair amount of CO two to the atmosphere. These
Speaker 2: explosive volcanoes do not. And it's where then, also the
Speaker 2: explosive volcanoes, it's not the solids. You think, well, it's
Speaker 2: going to block out the sun. It does for the
Speaker 2: fuse that falls out pretty quickly, the sulfates, the aerosols,
Speaker 2: and the sulfates to get up into the stratosphere that
Speaker 2: last for three four five years. That has a cooling
Speaker 2: effect because what they're doing is the Sun's reflecting off
Speaker 2: of those, so it doesn't get to strike the earth
Speaker 2: that warming effect.
Speaker 1: And then we talked about the undersea volcano, the one
Speaker 1: that you mentioned again, I can't remember that the Congress
Speaker 1: from the tongue. Yeah, okay, well that one. You know
Speaker 1: another greenhouse gas, of course, the big one is water vapor,
Speaker 1: and if that increases the water vapor by significant percentages
Speaker 1: in that one, that's going to also affect things. My
Speaker 1: point is that you know when you have solar activity,
Speaker 1: when you have something that is going to massively increase
Speaker 1: greenhouse gases like water vapor. You know, there's so many
Speaker 1: things that are natural out there, but they want to
Speaker 1: make it as everything is about man made. Right. Do
Speaker 1: you agree with that or you disagree with that?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's be clear. Since CO two CO two
Speaker 2: is a greenhouse gas, CO two is increasing, so it
Speaker 2: has more. CO two has a contribution, has a warming
Speaker 2: effect on the ass atmosphere. It's just very small, very modest,
Speaker 2: and overwhelmed by those natural forses. So don't be a denier. Yes,
Speaker 2: CO two has a warming effect, thankfully, but again it's
Speaker 2: it's overwhelmed by these natural forces. And we see through
Speaker 2: time that CO two increases and decreases do not control temperature.
Speaker 2: Just going back through Earth's history to the dawn of time,
Speaker 2: we don't see correlation there, and so we have to
Speaker 2: we have to look at the science, effects and the data,
Speaker 2: put it in a long perspective to figure that out.
Speaker 1: And you know you're the book. Your book title hearkens
Speaker 1: back to al Gore's documentary An Inconvenient Truth. Your book
Speaker 1: is a very convenient warming and as part of his
Speaker 1: documentary I guess we could laughingly refer to it as
Speaker 1: but as part of his film, let's they say it
Speaker 1: played a very big role. I remember that he had
Speaker 1: the projections of what was going to happen to temperature
Speaker 1: driven and following exactly CO two, As you point out,
Speaker 1: CO two is going up and down. But that direct
Speaker 1: correlation that was there the hockey stick from Michael Man,
Speaker 1: as everybody talks about it. You had that blown up
Speaker 1: into something that was about thirty feet tall and he
Speaker 1: gets on an elevated platform to go up to exaggerate that,
Speaker 1: and that really has Michael Mann's correlation there of his
Speaker 1: hockey stick thing really hasn't played out, has it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about al Gore, he used eight thousand or
Speaker 2: four hundred thousand years of CO two versus temperature. Well,
Speaker 2: there is a really good correlation over the last several
Speaker 2: hundred thousand years. But it's not CO two driving temperature.
Speaker 2: It's temperature driving CO two changes. And because that's because
Speaker 2: the oceans are the great sink and source for CO two.
Speaker 2: A cold ocean absorbs more CO two, a warm ocean expels.
Speaker 2: Just think about it's kind of contrary to to what
Speaker 2: you might say. If you take a leader jar of
Speaker 2: ginger ale and take it out of the refrigerator and
Speaker 2: open it up, it just goes. But take that leader
Speaker 2: jar of ginger ale and put it out on your
Speaker 2: picnic table and your patio on the sun in August.
Speaker 2: But it's sit there for an hour and then go
Speaker 2: open it up, and man, it will be like a
Speaker 2: volcano with that CO two that's in the ginger ale
Speaker 2: that's being expelled because it's warm. And that's what we see.
Speaker 2: Warming oceans expel CO two, and so it warms first
Speaker 2: and then CO two increases, and it's delayed by hundreds
Speaker 2: of years. But if you can press it all, which
Speaker 2: al Gore did, his interpretation was just backwards of what
Speaker 2: it should have been. It's not CO two driving temperature,
Speaker 2: it's temperature driving CO two.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, I was involved with a group that
Speaker 1: tried to get the data from Michael Man. He fought
Speaker 1: like a bensheet and was able to win in court
Speaker 1: and not show the data, which had already his conclusions
Speaker 1: that I had been published. He'd collected it. He'd on
Speaker 1: the science at the University of Virginia, so he did
Speaker 1: it on the public dime, and he'd published his conclusions
Speaker 1: and they'd been used to create public policy. And yet
Speaker 1: we could not pry that data from him. And you
Speaker 1: have to wonder why he got it, if it was real.
Speaker 2: Why he's he's a piece of work. He's a nasty,
Speaker 2: footish person and he's very like jigeous.
Speaker 1: Yes, we had to be careful what we sayd about
Speaker 1: Michael Man, because we know what we do.
Speaker 2: I was quoting someone else there when I just called him,
Speaker 2: asked him that was a quote, uh, we know from
Speaker 2: Mike mark Stein was the best quo. He lost in
Speaker 2: court to Michael Mann got one million dollar judgment against him.
Speaker 2: But mark Stein said that the hockey stick is a
Speaker 2: reconstruction of temperature using proxies with two problems, the proxies
Speaker 2: and the reconstruction. He said, other than that, you can
Speaker 2: take it to the bank, and that was that's a clent.
Speaker 2: So what he did, he was just proxies are things
Speaker 2: we used for temperature reconstruction or CO two reconstruction through
Speaker 2: back before historical records. And Michael Man used some really
Speaker 2: really horrifically bad proxies to reconstruct temperature. And like you say,
Speaker 2: he's according to him, we had a slowly declining temperature
Speaker 2: up until about the twentieth century and then man, it
Speaker 2: just took off the temperatures the skyrocketed. And he again
Speaker 2: he based that in his reconstructional on just bad, bad,
Speaker 2: bad proxies, particularly tree ring data in the southwest of
Speaker 2: the United States.
Speaker 1: To make it sense, he was a pick. You're starting
Speaker 1: ending points carefully there, doesn't you. But he was also
Speaker 1: involved in climate gate, and that's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why he was a focus of the group that I
Speaker 1: was working with, because you know, he was even though
Speaker 1: that was kind of focused in the UK at East
Speaker 1: England University, he was involved back and forth with emails.
Speaker 1: They were talking about we're going to hide the decline
Speaker 1: based on our models. And that's the other thing about this.
Speaker 1: How did these people get a pass for making all
Speaker 1: these predictions. You were talking earlier about the scientists that
Speaker 1: were affiliated with the CO two Coalition dot org and
Speaker 1: how they were pretty accurate in terms of what they
Speaker 1: thought would happen with the hurricane, even the sense that
Speaker 1: the storm surge is going to be negative because it
Speaker 1: was going to you know, land somewhere else, and so,
Speaker 1: you know, we have those types of things and if
Speaker 1: somebody can make a prediction and it comes true, but
Speaker 1: we have these grand predictions that are kind of like
Speaker 1: trying to predict the weather fifty years in advance, and
Speaker 1: they're hysterically wrong. You know, whatever they're predicting, where they're
Speaker 1: talking about the Great Barrier reef disappearing, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: They keep making these predictions, and yet they never seem
Speaker 1: to be held accountable for making these false predictions with
Speaker 1: their models.
Speaker 2: Actually, go back to May of this year and see
Speaker 2: what no was predicting for this year's hurricane season. They
Speaker 2: were predicting one of the highest number of storms ever
Speaker 2: in record. Well, No, it's it feels, particularly particularly for
Speaker 2: me and my wife that it's been a bad hurricane season,
Speaker 2: but were actually under the average for the hurricanes, and
Speaker 2: it will probably we may get to the very low
Speaker 2: end of what Noah predicted. But no one, they're never
Speaker 2: called on the carpet, yes, right for that, and it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Santa's made that case to a journalist and
Speaker 1: you know, and I had talked about that. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at the hurricanes that hit Tampa,
Speaker 1: there was one in eighteen forty eight took exactly the
Speaker 1: path that they were predicting, but you know which this
Speaker 1: one did not take that path, but that was they
Speaker 1: had one that had actually taken that path in eighteen
Speaker 1: forty eight. And then in North Carolina in Ashville in
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty one, they also had a hurricane that went
Speaker 1: up there and caused just about the kind of same
Speaker 1: level of destruction in terms of water accumulation of that
Speaker 1: type of thing. Hesitate to use the word flood because
Speaker 1: if you a flood, the insurance companies won't pay them anything.
Speaker 1: So we have to come up with some other name
Speaker 1: for what happened is rain, and so it had that
Speaker 1: kind of rain. But you know, we've seen this type
Speaker 1: of stuff, so it's not unprecedented. And you know these
Speaker 1: were situations that happened. There wasn't really any man made
Speaker 1: industry that was that was doing that one hundred years ago,
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty years ago. So you know that
Speaker 1: that is the background. But no matter what they say,
Speaker 1: they're never held accountable to it, and no matter how
Speaker 1: dire and faults their predictions are, it just keeps going.
Speaker 1: It must be an interesting thing to work with the
Speaker 1: U n IPCC because of that. That's a lot got
Speaker 1: about that. Well.
Speaker 2: I actually got in on that at the very end
Speaker 2: and there was very little I could contribute or do
Speaker 2: at that time, so and I was I signed up,
Speaker 2: was accepted, and then I joined the CO two Coalition
Speaker 2: as executive director, and I have been just there was
Speaker 2: just you had to set your priorities and this is
Speaker 2: leading this group of eminent scientists. We just had John
Speaker 2: Klauser join us on our board. He's the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two Nobel Laargate, the physic We've got Patrick Moore on
Speaker 2: our board who's the co founder of Greenpeace and if
Speaker 2: he's wonderful, and doctor William Happer, Emeritis, Professor of Physics
Speaker 2: from Princeton and he's the He was the inventor of
Speaker 2: the Soviet Soviets sodium guide star laser developed during the
Speaker 2: Star Wars under Reagan and if you if you remember
Speaker 2: SDI star Wars was they were trying to shoot down
Speaker 2: incoming missiles from the Soviet Union and intercept them in
Speaker 2: space using lasers, but they couldn't figure out how to
Speaker 2: do it because they just it was it was Will Happer,
Speaker 2: our chairman, that invented this ability to keep laser's focused
Speaker 2: through the atmosphere. And now his invention as you at
Speaker 2: every observatory around the world to get crystal clear nighttime images.
Speaker 2: If you ever see an observatory with a yellow beam
Speaker 2: going up from it, that's his sodium guide star laser
Speaker 2: that are used to keep to figure out what's going
Speaker 2: on in the atmosphere so they get crystal clear photographs.
Speaker 2: So these are the type of scientists that we have.
Speaker 2: They're incredible. Yes, it's great, and we stick to the science.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's essential because if they're going to keep
Speaker 1: us afraid of the unknown, and if they're going to say,
Speaker 1: as we saw throughout all this COVID stuff, I'm the expert,
Speaker 1: and science is what I say it is you know,
Speaker 1: that is the antithesis of science. That's what as I
Speaker 1: say often.
Speaker 2: Well, they promote, they promote consensus science. That's the big thing.
Speaker 2: And it's as Michael Clayton famously said, if it's science,
Speaker 2: it's not consensus. If it's consensus, it's not science. And
Speaker 2: Richard Fiman, the great physicist, my favorite quote about consensus.
Speaker 2: He says, I would rather have questions that can't be
Speaker 2: answered than answers that can't be questioned. And that's what
Speaker 2: we have today in climate syms. We have an ant
Speaker 2: and they tell us what the answer is, and you
Speaker 2: dare not question it. You must not, you must and
Speaker 2: they need to silence me and my colleagues at the
Speaker 2: CO two coalition.
Speaker 1: Yes, we've seen that first with climate, and then we
Speaker 1: saw it with the COVID stuff and with medications, and
Speaker 1: now it's everything, you know, anything, they will tell you
Speaker 1: what is true and you cannot question that. And so
Speaker 1: that's the attack that we see on free speech. That's
Speaker 1: happening everywhere, but it's now flowing out everywhere. But it
Speaker 1: began with the climate stuff.
Speaker 2: And let me just if we have time here, just
Speaker 2: delving just one of the things one of the proudest things.
Speaker 2: We're doing scientific papers and we do the technical material,
Speaker 2: but we also had our members were concerned about the
Speaker 2: state of science education in America, and we decide to
Speaker 2: do something about and put a committee of mostly PhDs together,
Speaker 2: and what they've done is incredible. I ended up hiring
Speaker 2: a full time artist, talented artist Chicago Hellinger Di Silva
Speaker 2: down in Brazil, and he does We're creating books, we're
Speaker 2: creating videos that are attractive to children and students. But
Speaker 2: most importantly, we're also doing lesson plans for homeschooling parents
Speaker 2: and charter schools. And they're not just a lesson plan.
Speaker 2: It's rare. We actually have a scientist doing that, doctor
Speaker 2: Sharon Camp, PhD in analytic chemistry. She's an ap science
Speaker 2: teacher and reader, and so this is science based. We're
Speaker 2: totally vetted the lesson plans. We've completed the first series
Speaker 2: of book. I've just authored the first of the next series.
Speaker 2: We call it a sleep Well series. You're gonna love this.
Speaker 2: So the title is Chloe the Clownfish sleeps Well at Night,
Speaker 2: and it's all It's marvelous. Art is fantastic. It is
Speaker 2: about Chloe that lives in the Great Barrier Reef, and
Speaker 2: she's told at school that, you know, the Great Barrier
Speaker 2: Reef in her home was going to be destroyed because
Speaker 2: of man's climate change. We would use that story. We're
Speaker 2: able to use that story in an entertaining method to
Speaker 2: put out the facts about what's actually happening with corals
Speaker 2: and the Great Barrier Reef. And I was joined as
Speaker 2: a co author. Doctor Peter Ridd who's one of the
Speaker 2: top chloral and Great Barrier Reef experts, collaborated with me
Speaker 2: on this, so we you know, we have top scientists
Speaker 2: that work together get to make sure we get the
Speaker 2: story right. But we're kind of going we're getting the
Speaker 2: nose under the camel's tent by getting this really interesting
Speaker 2: material out there.
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Yeah, that's one of the big failed
Speaker 1: predictions was a Great Barrier reef.
Speaker 2: Before we get off of that, I'd like to give
Speaker 2: the website of our CO two Learningcenter dot com. Co
Speaker 2: two Learningcenter dot com. You can go get our books
Speaker 2: for qualifying homeschool organizations or charter schools. We've just brought
Speaker 2: in a shipment of CO two meters that we actually
Speaker 2: give to qualify and no charge to qualifying schools and
Speaker 2: homes and teachers because some of our lesson plans involve
Speaker 2: experiments that require a CO two meter, and you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of these people they don't want to spend
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty dollars for a CEO two meter,
Speaker 2: so we've done it for them, and that this is
Speaker 2: our mission. Our mission has provide fact science data and
Speaker 2: are now our mission too is to provide that information
Speaker 2: to students and particularly the homeschool parents. And all three
Speaker 2: of my grandchildren are homeschooled, and it's important they love
Speaker 2: to use this information. So CO two learning center dot com.
Speaker 1: That's great. Two Learning center dot Comy. If you don't
Speaker 1: want to be a clownfish, be careful with school that
Speaker 1: you hang out with. Right, So that's wonderful that you
Speaker 1: seized on that, and because that is that is really
Speaker 1: the key. You know, you say Chloe sleeps well at night,
Speaker 1: Well that's the problem. They are scaring these kids to death.
Speaker 1: They think that they've got no future, that the world
Speaker 1: is going to end because of CO two emissions, and
Speaker 1: it is absolute insanity. And of course, the only way
Speaker 1: you're going to stop CO two emissions is to starve
Speaker 1: us to death and kill all the people. But I
Speaker 1: think that might be what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2: Yea, there is that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it certainly is amazing. Well, it's fascinating to
Speaker 1: talk to you again, Gregory Wrightstone. And the book is
Speaker 1: a very convenient warming at the top of the list
Speaker 1: on Amazon. And I've got a couple of comments here,
Speaker 1: Brian and Deb McCartney. Can you ask if he has
Speaker 1: heard of the Just Transition Task Force. I'm attending another
Speaker 1: meeting in Northern Minnesota this evening regarding the killing of
Speaker 1: coal fired power. So it's the Just Just Transition task Force.
Speaker 1: So you hear anything about that?
Speaker 2: I haven't. I don't like the word transition. Yeah, it's transition.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about transition of energy. And it's why
Speaker 2: should we transition away from something that's worked wonderfully, that's
Speaker 2: lifted big?
Speaker 1: That's right? Up? Do we lose you? We lost your audio?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can still hear me not
Speaker 1: if something happened there, still don't have it? There we
Speaker 1: are now, we're back. Now we're back. Okay, that's good.
Speaker 4: It's darn gremlins.
Speaker 2: We should why should we transition away from reliable, abundant,
Speaker 2: affordable energy to unreliable energy that's not abundant, that's not affordable.
Speaker 2: It's so the transition. It's a forced transition a way.
Speaker 2: I like to let the free market decide, and the
Speaker 2: free market will tell you that it's coal, it's natural gas,
Speaker 2: it may be nuclear for our electricity needs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting, isn't it?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And I think that they were talking about that. I
Speaker 1: think they were. They're concerned about the killing of coal
Speaker 1: fired power. That's what their concern is. And so I
Speaker 1: think this other group is true, should be transition away
Speaker 1: from it? Yes, absolutely. I mean you look at I've
Speaker 1: got magazines here that Gregory that I show people from
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine Time and Newsweek, and they say, by
Speaker 1: the middle of the nineteen eighties, we will have no
Speaker 1: more oil and no more natural gas. And I saved
Speaker 1: those because I knew that was nonsense. And then they say, well,
Speaker 1: we've got six hundred and sixty six years of coal.
Speaker 1: So what they do. They decide they're going to get
Speaker 1: rid of coal. You can make coal theme, but they're
Speaker 1: not required. That's one of that you know, we talk
Speaker 1: about the un that's one of my pet Peeves I
Speaker 1: talk about frequently, and that is the Paris Climate Court.
Speaker 1: Even people who are alarmists were alarmed at the Paris
Speaker 1: Climate Court because they said, well, you're not doing anything
Speaker 1: to stop this. You're going to allow China and India
Speaker 1: to build as many power plants as they wish and
Speaker 1: not have them be clean, and so this is not
Speaker 1: addressing what our global problem is. They think, They said,
Speaker 1: this is simply a transfer of industry to China, and
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it is, isn't it It is?
Speaker 2: It is and bull are they both India and China.
Speaker 2: I think presidents in India Prime Minister Modi, I think
Speaker 2: he's he does care about his people and he wants
Speaker 2: to lift They still have eight hundred million people that
Speaker 2: are living in energy poverty without electricity. He wants to
Speaker 2: lift those people up and provide electricity to everyone throughout
Speaker 2: throughout India. And he's they're going great guns. They're mining
Speaker 2: and breaking records, mining coal, setting records, building and producing
Speaker 2: more electric electricity derived from coal. The natural gas isn't
Speaker 2: very well developed. We can talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: I traveled to India and spoke at the first natural
Speaker 2: gas shell gas conference in India a number of years ago,
Speaker 2: and but China prison g number one. He's got to
Speaker 2: be sitting there right now, rubbing his hands together and
Speaker 2: lead because he's we're self destructing. Yes, we're undermining our electricity,
Speaker 2: our economy for no good reason. And he's advancing his
Speaker 2: he's mouthing the words we're going to go to net
Speaker 2: zero by what twenty seventy twenty eighty. Has no intention
Speaker 2: of doing that now, and they're going great guns. And
Speaker 2: I don't think there's no altruistic bone in his body.
Speaker 2: His goal is to mount and have an economy unrivaled
Speaker 2: in the world, and part of that's us getting affordable, reliable,
Speaker 2: abundant energy. And he's doing it with coal. He's using everything.
Speaker 2: They're building a lot of solar, they're doing wind, but
Speaker 2: it's it's mainly coal that's really driving this. And it's
Speaker 2: plus here in the United States. Most of our proposals here.
Speaker 2: We know about Kamala Harris. She was pushing electric vehicles
Speaker 2: until she wasn't, which occurred at I don't know why
Speaker 2: or when, but now she's not. But their their whole
Speaker 2: energy solution. Jennifer Granholman Department of energy. They want everybody
Speaker 2: to drive an electric car, which will only increase demand
Speaker 2: for already scarce electricity and lead to it's going to
Speaker 2: be horrible, horrid warble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can look and see what's happening as they're
Speaker 1: demanding that everything be electric, no no gas ranges, all
Speaker 1: electric appliances, all electric cars and anything. As they're doing that,
Speaker 1: they're simultaneously shutting down the grid capacity. And so we
Speaker 1: know where this all leads. And you can see what's
Speaker 1: happening in the UK as well. Their electricity is already
Speaker 1: four times what it is in the United States. They
Speaker 1: just shut down their last steel plant, they just shut
Speaker 1: down their last coal energy plant. They can't compete and
Speaker 1: manufacture anything with China. Mean, China has always had the
Speaker 1: China price, which is their currency. Manipulation and copyright piracy
Speaker 1: and slave labor. Well, now they've got the cheapest energy
Speaker 1: of anybody. That's what's going to happen. All you've got Germany.
Speaker 1: Look at what is happening to the German industry. They're
Speaker 1: having to shut down as well. If we follow this
Speaker 1: path of getting rid of CO two, it is a
Speaker 1: path of suicide. That's why your book is so important,
Speaker 1: and the organization is so important. The CO two Coalition
Speaker 1: dot org that you put together got a lot of
Speaker 1: Nobel Prize winning scientists that are their people. Ought to
Speaker 1: bookmark that and get that on your mailing list. And
Speaker 1: the book is a very convenient warming again by Gregory Wrightstone.
Speaker 1: This is a vital issue, it really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, And that's again, that's the mission of
Speaker 2: the CO two Coalition. It's my own personal mission is
Speaker 2: to get the science, the facts and the data out there.
Speaker 2: But what's actually happening. And I'm an optimist, David. I'm
Speaker 2: a true optimist in a lot of things, but particularly
Speaker 2: I believe we're winning. I find I talk to lots
Speaker 2: of people. I do a lot of Uber drivers, and
Speaker 2: I'm converting America one Uber driver at a time. But
Speaker 2: I find just about everybody I talked to it's thirsty
Speaker 2: for the information that we provide, that my books provide
Speaker 2: that the CO two Coalition provides. They're thirsty for this.
Speaker 2: They've never heard of it. So many times their eyes
Speaker 2: get wide open, they go, I've never heard that. Why
Speaker 2: are they lying? Why aren't they telling us that, yes,
Speaker 2: we need to be silenced. Yeah, because I'm telling back
Speaker 2: based story at the Ristom.
Speaker 1: And we can see what is happening in the European countries,
Speaker 1: especially in the UK. They're a little bit ahead of us.
Speaker 1: You know this article I covered you today, that's about
Speaker 1: I said, electricity rationing has already begun. They just haven't
Speaker 1: given you a coupon book. And they're talking about how
Speaker 1: they're measuring all of the you know, the time of
Speaker 1: day usage and all the rest of this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And people are scrambling to figure out how they're going
Speaker 1: to afford this. I mean, and we've got these offshore
Speaker 1: wind farm that is offshore Long Island. It's going to
Speaker 1: escalate the price of well they're by conservative factor four
Speaker 1: or five times, because they're looking at their profit margin
Speaker 1: is going to be about one and a half times
Speaker 1: what the current entire cost is. So it is amazing
Speaker 1: what is happening with all this, how expensive, how unreliable
Speaker 1: it is, and it really is is going to be
Speaker 1: incredibly destructive for all of our lives. Yeah, well, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us, and again the book
Speaker 1: is a very convenient warming by Gregory Wrightstone at the
Speaker 1: time of the Amazon list, Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us. Sir, and the CO two Coalition dot org
Speaker 1: also very important. And I'll put that in the resource
Speaker 1: into the description of the CO two Learning Center dot
Speaker 1: com because we do have a lot of people who
Speaker 1: homeschool and I know they would be interested in those
Speaker 1: books and that curriculum. Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: It's it looks like it's a natural control for cancer.
Speaker 4: And he told me the story. All right, this gets
Speaker 4: interesting in the details. He had a dog that had
Speaker 4: cancer and he was about to put the dog down
Speaker 4: because you know, he tried chemotherapy and everything else on
Speaker 4: the dog that the doctors do and it wasn't working.
Speaker 4: In fact, the dog was getting sicker. And when he
Speaker 4: heard about this, he says, I tried to use I
Speaker 4: decided to use this substance on the dog, and he said,
Speaker 4: blow me down. The dog got well real fast. I
Speaker 4: couldn't believe it. I'd never seen that happen before. And
Speaker 4: then the next part of the story is that he
Speaker 4: said his nurse came to him, his head nurse, whose
Speaker 4: husband was had criminal cancer, and she said, doctor John,
Speaker 4: you know my husband is not going to last very
Speaker 4: much longer. And I saw what happened to the dog.
Speaker 4: Would you please do that for my husband?
Speaker 1: Ah?
Speaker 4: And he said, well, sure, I'd be glad to, but
Speaker 4: don't tell anybody because it's not approved, you know, for
Speaker 4: human use. And he tried it on her husband and
Speaker 4: he got well, this is how it all started. And
Speaker 4: so John said, I started using it very very cautiously
Speaker 4: and very low dosages and very suspiciously, making sure that
Speaker 4: I was not risking anybody's life, using it only on
Speaker 4: people who really had terminal cancer.
Speaker 1: Joining us now is g Edward Griffin, a real giant
Speaker 1: in the liberty movement. He's done so many monumental works.
Speaker 1: Of course everybody knows this creatre from Jackal Island, but
Speaker 1: we want also talked to him today about his book
Speaker 1: A World Without Cancer, because I think that's a message
Speaker 1: that is people are ready to hear after what we've
Speaker 1: been through for the last four years. But we've now seen,
Speaker 1: I think, really a convergence in medical, financial, and political,
Speaker 1: because it's being swallowed up by the political stuff. But
Speaker 1: great to have Joe M. Griffin on. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us.
Speaker 4: Sir, well, it's my pleasure, thanks for inviting me.
Speaker 1: And I want to talk also about the red pill
Speaker 1: expo that's going to be coming up in just a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks as well, so i'll give you a
Speaker 1: chance to talk about that and what's happening with that.
Speaker 1: But your work is very well known by a lot
Speaker 1: of people, and we're going to try to get into
Speaker 1: maybe the medical aspect of this is maybe not as
Speaker 1: well known as a federal reserve. But we do want
Speaker 1: to talk about the financial stuff. That's very important right now.
Speaker 1: But I think it'd be good for us to talk
Speaker 1: about your biography. How did you get into doing documentaries
Speaker 1: and books and especially in terms of going against the
Speaker 1: grain of conventional wisdom. Tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: your background.
Speaker 4: It's a long background, of course, considering my age, and
Speaker 4: it's probably not very interesting. It's rather boring, actually, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're correct. We've covered some ground and made some amazing
Speaker 4: touch points along the way, but I think it's only
Speaker 4: because we've been at it for so long. My life
Speaker 4: has been pretty much normal in the sense by normal,
Speaker 4: I'm almost afraid or embarrassed to say normal, because unfortunately,
Speaker 4: what is normal out there in the world today is
Speaker 4: not particularly attractive.
Speaker 1: An abnormal world. A normal person in an abnormal world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, it's not unusual. I guess I
Speaker 4: should say in that I would start out in one
Speaker 4: direction and be confronted by some impossible barrier or setback
Speaker 4: or tragedy, and it would be life changing for me
Speaker 4: and very very uncomfortable, very painful, very very frightening. But
Speaker 4: in retrospect, as the time goes by, I find out
Speaker 4: that that was the best thing that ever happened to me,
Speaker 4: because it forced me to do a right turn or
Speaker 4: change my direction substantially. And even though it was painful
Speaker 4: and I had to abandon my original plans and expectations,
Speaker 4: I found out that it was a better direction than
Speaker 4: the one I was on originally. And my life is
Speaker 4: full of that. And some of those tragedies along the
Speaker 4: way were very serious illnesses too. I was still very young,
Speaker 4: in my early thirties, and I had a wife and
Speaker 4: a couple of kids to support, and I had a collapse,
Speaker 4: and I had two doctors tell me I had multiple sclerosis.
Speaker 4: Not that was I didn't really know for sure what
Speaker 4: that was. I knew it was bad, but when I
Speaker 4: looked it up in the in the encyclopedia, I decided, oh, man,
Speaker 4: this is a bad way to go out the door,
Speaker 4: and I thought I was dying, of course, but it
Speaker 4: was a misdiagnosis. I had exhausted myself, I had it. Rather,
Speaker 4: I thought I was carrying the world on my shoulders.
Speaker 4: I thought I had to save the world all by myself.
Speaker 4: And so I was not getting a lot of sleep.
Speaker 4: I was a young guy. Of course, I was doing
Speaker 4: a lot of traveling, making presentations, training sessions, all that
Speaker 4: kind of thing. So I would go from one town
Speaker 4: to the next and drive a good portion of the
Speaker 4: day to get there, get there and be taken out
Speaker 4: to dinner, and then put on an evening presentation and
Speaker 4: then meeted somebody's house afterwards.
Speaker 1: And what kind of presentations were you doing? Was this political?
Speaker 4: Well? These were These were recruiting. These were recruiting meetings.
Speaker 4: I was at that time. I was a coordinator for
Speaker 4: the John Bird Society. I know that scares a lot
Speaker 4: of people that think that's a wacko organization, but not me.
Speaker 4: Well good anyway, they're very to me. They're very, very
Speaker 4: calm and very not wracko at all. Of course, they
Speaker 4: have some wackos in there, but the percentage of wackos
Speaker 4: and the brit society I thought was smaller than the
Speaker 4: percentage outside of the British society everywhere. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 4: was the safest place to be. But anyway, that's what
Speaker 4: I was doing. And so I was drinking. You know,
Speaker 4: everybody would want to buy me some wine, and we'd
Speaker 4: drink wine and talk about life and the world events
Speaker 4: and so forth. And then I get to bed late
Speaker 4: at night or early in the morning, get up in
Speaker 4: the morning and drive and do that over and over again.
Speaker 4: I came back and I was planning some trees in
Speaker 4: my front yard and I just froze up. I became paralyzed.
Speaker 4: And I think a long story short, I was I
Speaker 4: had just exhausted my physical strength, malnutrition, toxic elements in
Speaker 4: my body, not enough sleep, and a bad metal attitude,
Speaker 4: always filled with anxiety, and you know, all the bad things.
Speaker 4: And I didn't realized. I didn't think I had to
Speaker 4: worry about that because I was young, right, Young people
Speaker 4: don't get sick. So anyway, they diagnosed it as multiple sclerosis.
Speaker 4: It turned out not to be that. Once I got
Speaker 4: off of my routine and started to find out what
Speaker 4: this world was all about in terms of nutrition and
Speaker 4: rest and avoiding toxic things in your body, in your environment,
Speaker 4: and so forth. I recovered rather rapidly, So in retrospect,
Speaker 4: it was very good because I learned how to live,
Speaker 4: and I probably wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't
Speaker 4: learned that lesson early in my life. At the same time,
Speaker 4: I was really pretty well stuck in bed and I
Speaker 4: didn't know I could write. I had gone to school,
Speaker 4: I had learned, I'd learned about communications. I would stage plays.
Speaker 4: I was an actor, a little child actor. You can
Speaker 4: imagine anything worse than that. I did a lot of
Speaker 4: to day.
Speaker 1: I can imagine it being a lot worse today.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know, it was pretty bad. I was
Speaker 4: right in the middle of that. And you know, I
Speaker 4: was in Detroit, and we did radio in those days.
Speaker 4: And you know, a lot of shows came out of
Speaker 4: Detroit at the Ford Theater and the Hermit's Cave, and
Speaker 4: we had a Saturday show was the same as Let's Pretend,
Speaker 4: and we covered anyway. I did a lot of radio stuff,
Speaker 4: so and and I went to school and took more
Speaker 4: of the same. Television was just coming online in those days,
Speaker 4: so I was taking courses in television and radio communications.
Speaker 1: Let me ask a question real quick. Your radio I
Speaker 1: guess that was live radio performance. Oh yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: St I love listening to the live things like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. I worked my way through college as
Speaker 4: a radio announcer for WUOM, which was the university radio
Speaker 4: station at the University of Michigan, and you know all that,
Speaker 4: so I was into that. So when I got sick,
Speaker 4: I thought, well, I'm not going to be able to
Speaker 4: make a living. I couldn't get out of bed for
Speaker 4: the most part, had to practically crawl from one room
Speaker 4: to the other. And so I got this call from
Speaker 4: a publisher and he said, ed, I understand you've been
Speaker 4: giving speeches on the United Nations and they're very well received.
Speaker 4: Would you like to write a book for us on
Speaker 4: that topic. We want to publish a book, and we
Speaker 4: think you could do it. And of course, at that
Speaker 4: time I had never written anything, and that was not
Speaker 4: my I did not identify as an author, identified as
Speaker 4: a communicator on television or radio or something like that.
Speaker 4: And my dream was to go to Hollywood and become
Speaker 4: a great Hollywood producer in motion pictures. So when it's
Speaker 4: called me and said, how would you like to write
Speaker 4: a book. That was the last thing I felt I
Speaker 4: was capable or interested in doing. But I thought instantly
Speaker 4: about a wowity, he's offering me some money, and here
Speaker 4: I am in bed. I can't do anything else to
Speaker 4: support my family, and we're running out of money. And
Speaker 4: so I found myself saying, oh, yeah, no problem, Yeah,
Speaker 4: sure I could do that.
Speaker 1: I'm in that kind of situation as well. You know,
Speaker 1: God puts us in a position where you got one
Speaker 1: way out, and that's it something that you would have
Speaker 1: chosen to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just use that as an example. So
Speaker 4: I took on the commitment and I started to do
Speaker 4: my hard research. I had done a lot of it already,
Speaker 4: but I knew that in a book you had to
Speaker 4: document everything. It wasn't just you could say, well, I
Speaker 4: know this, and I know that. So I did research
Speaker 4: at the last about probably two or three months of
Speaker 4: putting all the documents together, and then the day came
Speaker 4: when it was time to write. And it was kind
Speaker 4: of like at an old movie where you've everybody's seen
Speaker 4: those scenes where the author has to write something and
Speaker 4: he's on a typewriter and he types a few lines
Speaker 4: and he pulls the paper out or crushes it and
Speaker 4: throws it on the floor, and that's no good, and
Speaker 4: then this is no good. I went through that in spades.
Speaker 1: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy?
Speaker 4: Right, write something. I was using a pencil. We didn't
Speaker 4: have computers in those days, and I couldn't type, so
Speaker 4: I was writing things out and I tear it up
Speaker 4: and throw it out just I couldn't how come I
Speaker 4: can't write? I can't write. Give me a microphone. So
Speaker 4: then I'm there's the point and the end of this.
Speaker 4: So finally I said, I'm just going to write. Mary
Speaker 4: had a little lamb. I started to write things out,
Speaker 4: and the first thing, you know, I had this idea.
Speaker 4: I can't write this because how do you how do
Speaker 4: you approach a topic so huge as this was my
Speaker 4: book on the United Nations, my first book. It's called
Speaker 4: The Fearful Master, A Second Look at the United Nations?
Speaker 4: So I wrote down, how can you write about something
Speaker 4: like this? It's like a huge globe made of glass,
Speaker 4: so large that you couldn't grasp it in its entirety,
Speaker 4: and you couldn't hold it. How do you write a book?
Speaker 4: It's like having to move a mountain how do you
Speaker 4: move a mountain? And then I found myself writing, well
Speaker 4: you dig, and then this is my first spade, and
Speaker 4: I looked at it. I said, well, that's kind of clever.
Speaker 4: And the first thing, you know, I extended that and
Speaker 4: the next few pages came pretty fast, and by the
Speaker 4: time I got the page seven, it was roaring along.
Speaker 4: I found out I wound up. I looked in the
Speaker 4: in the wall at the wall, my gosh, I can write,
Speaker 4: and I'm having fun doing it. So I use that
Speaker 4: as an example. I wouldn't be here talking to you
Speaker 4: today if I hadn't had this illness. And that event
Speaker 4: that forced me forced me to make a right turn
Speaker 4: in my where I thought was my career path. And
Speaker 4: at that time I didn't think I was going to
Speaker 4: live anyway. But so it forced me to make a
Speaker 4: change that affected my whole life. I hope for the better.
Speaker 1: That's a great story. We've had so many people when
Speaker 1: they lost they would face of the decision take the
Speaker 1: shot or lose your job. And I've talked to so
Speaker 1: many people who had that crisis. It's like, what do
Speaker 1: I do. I've trained all my life for this. I
Speaker 1: don't have any other alternative, but I'm not going to
Speaker 1: take that shot. And to a man that has been,
Speaker 1: a woman that has been, every person I've talked to
Speaker 1: about that, it's been a wonderful turning point for them.
Speaker 1: And so I think your life lesson, as well as
Speaker 1: a lot of other people, that's a real important life lesson.
Speaker 4: I think, well, there it is. And that's why I
Speaker 4: said it's in a way, I'm very normal because what
Speaker 4: I just said, although it's dramatic for me, it was dramatic.
Speaker 4: Everybody goes through those crises. I think maybe they don't
Speaker 4: think about it as having made a big change. And
Speaker 4: I suppose not every change in the direction is that dramatic,
Speaker 4: but most of them are. Many of them are important
Speaker 4: ones are. So with that as a background, I started
Speaker 4: off in one direction. All of a sudden, I'm writing,
Speaker 4: and I decided I wanted to go off on my own.
Speaker 4: I decided I wanted to do I wanted to reach
Speaker 4: out to a lot of people, and I wanted to
Speaker 4: use my skills that I had acquired in communications. So
Speaker 4: I decided to produce some very low budget documentary films
Speaker 4: on important issues. And first the first attempt was to
Speaker 4: write something on a documentary film on money and inflation,
Speaker 4: and then of course that led me blikely to the
Speaker 4: topic of the Federal Reserve system. And I'm off and
Speaker 4: running now. And I had no idea how much voltage
Speaker 4: was in the wire that I was about to grab
Speaker 4: holder on that one. If I had, if I had
Speaker 4: even an inkling of how deep that topic goes, and
Speaker 4: how broad it is, how many things it covers, and
Speaker 4: how profound, profoundly important it is to our lives, our liberty,
Speaker 4: our lifestyle, everything, I would never have tackled it because
Speaker 4: it was far beyond my reach. I'm the last person
Speaker 4: in the world to write about things like that. I'm
Speaker 4: a kid that was a child actor. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, that makes a question, how did you you're working
Speaker 1: with the before we started writing, and before you wrote
Speaker 1: that book on the UN, you were also lecturing about
Speaker 1: UN and other things like that. How did you get
Speaker 1: into working for the John Bird Society or how did
Speaker 1: you begin to be skeptical about what the UN's purposes
Speaker 1: and agenda were.
Speaker 4: Well, that's another story, is similar to the one I
Speaker 4: just mentioned. I was working for a large corporation. I
Speaker 4: was in the corporate world. I had found out the
Speaker 4: hard way that Hollywood wasn't waiting for me. I had
Speaker 4: gone there and I was, you know, wanted to make
Speaker 4: my splash. I wanted to get a job with some
Speaker 4: production company, and I was looking for the grand opening,
Speaker 4: and it wasn't happening. And I looked around realistically, and
Speaker 4: I saw that all these young people there, the guys
Speaker 4: and gals, had talent superior to mine, really, and they
Speaker 4: were busting tables and washing cars, waiting for the big
Speaker 4: chance in Hollywood. And then I began to get a
Speaker 4: sense of the corruption that is in Hollywood and the
Speaker 4: lifestyle and all of the evil things that were there
Speaker 4: that I didn't like at all. And it became clear
Speaker 4: that if you didn't tolerate those things, or if you
Speaker 4: didn't participate in those things, your chances of getting that
Speaker 4: big break were pretty small. So I quit all that
Speaker 4: and I went to work for a large insurance company
Speaker 4: and I got a job in an underwriting department, prepare
Speaker 4: group insurance plans for corporations and that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: So that's what I was doing when I decided to
Speaker 4: start speaking out on topics. And the reason I made
Speaker 4: that change is that I don't know who it was
Speaker 4: but somebody handed me or sent me a little blue
Speaker 4: pamphlet called The Truth about the United Nations. I think
Speaker 4: that was the title. I thought, the United Nations. Well,
Speaker 4: I'd gone to school, I've been to the university. I
Speaker 4: knew all about the United Nations. It was wonderful. It
Speaker 4: was our last best hope for peace, they told me,
Speaker 4: and I thought it was true, and so I was
Speaker 4: very much in favor of the un and as a
Speaker 4: means of avoiding war.
Speaker 1: And about what year was that? That was.
Speaker 4: Nineteen sixty maybe nineteen fifty nine. Probably that pamphlet was
Speaker 4: in nineteen fifty nine. Anyway, So I read the pamphlet
Speaker 4: and I was incensed by it. I thought, well, this
Speaker 4: is ridiculous. I know better, but it sorted. The things
Speaker 4: that said were hard for me to believe that these
Speaker 4: people were lying. That's how naive, you know, you come
Speaker 4: out of school. How naive can you be to think
Speaker 4: that your teachers would be lying, or the people who
Speaker 4: would write books might even be lying.
Speaker 1: It's hard for us to believe that about other people.
Speaker 1: We want to believe the best of them, and we
Speaker 1: want to think that they're like us, you know, and
Speaker 1: so we always overestimate their morals, and we underestimate their technology,
Speaker 1: don't we.
Speaker 4: We certainly do, yeah, and of course we're trained to
Speaker 4: do that. I went to the public school system, and
Speaker 4: that was I found out later one of its primary
Speaker 4: objectives is to create that attitude in the minds of
Speaker 4: the students. So they had succeeded, and I found it.
Speaker 4: I was very highly indignant over this pamphlet written by
Speaker 4: college professor No Less. You'd expect he would know better, right,
Speaker 4: So anyway, one day I went down to the library
Speaker 4: in downtown Los Angeles. There was only a few blocks
Speaker 4: from where our corporate office was, and I had some
Speaker 4: time in my hands that day, so I decided to
Speaker 4: just drop into the library. Now, I had never thought
Speaker 4: i'd go into a library again after I got out
Speaker 4: of school, because I thought that was where you punish
Speaker 4: people for doing bad things. And any way, I went
Speaker 4: into the International department. I wanted to check out a
Speaker 4: few books on the topic of the United Nations and
Speaker 4: in particular these wars, these peacekeeping operations as they called them,
Speaker 4: and to see if I could learn more about it
Speaker 4: and prove that this college professor was wrong. So I
Speaker 4: checked out a few books and even though they were
Speaker 4: all written from the friendly perspective, they were all friends
Speaker 4: of the UN. Many of them were either employees or
Speaker 4: former employees, or they had positions professional positions which depended
Speaker 4: on their being friendly. A lot of some of them
Speaker 4: were academics, and academics I discovered would never dare go
Speaker 4: against the UN anyway. So I read those books and
Speaker 4: I recognized that they were biased, and so that was
Speaker 4: that was the beginning of it. Reading their own works
Speaker 4: and some of them were quite frank by the way.
Speaker 4: I learned about the war in Katanga Patrici lu Mumba
Speaker 4: and the War one Katanga in afric was really an
Speaker 4: eye opener for me. In fact, that's how I opened
Speaker 4: my book on the United Nations. It was with that
Speaker 4: section on what happened Katanga. Basically what happened is that
Speaker 4: there was a communist revolution in the Congo with Katanga
Speaker 4: Province of the Congo, and the so called colonial powers
Speaker 4: just left. They There was betrayal I think at the
Speaker 4: highest levels in the government. I think it was Belgium,
Speaker 4: and they just withdrew their troops and all their law
Speaker 4: enforcement facilities and just gave the Congo over to the
Speaker 4: communist revolutionaries and that was hard to believe, but there
Speaker 4: was an evidence. And so when the troops went out,
Speaker 4: there was mass slaughter going on and it looked like
Speaker 4: it might be racial, but it was not. It was economic.
Speaker 4: It was getting the colonialists out. That was the word
Speaker 4: they use the capitalists. Get the capitalists out and get
Speaker 4: the socialist in power again. So Congo went into total chaos.
Speaker 4: Blood blood all over the place, and production stopped, the
Speaker 4: economy crash, People were starving, people were robbing each other.
Speaker 4: It was total chaos. I fear we're in America going
Speaker 4: to get somewhat like see some of that ourselves and
Speaker 4: make that step toward total collectivism or socialism. Anyway, that's
Speaker 4: what happened, and so the UN came long A said well,
Speaker 4: look at this chaos. We've got to put put an
Speaker 4: end to that. And they were said, yes, yes, that's
Speaker 4: what you're for. And we're the peacekeepers, right, yes, okay.
Speaker 4: Well the peacekeepers went in and there were multiple provinces
Speaker 4: in the Congo and they were all in total blood
Speaker 4: drenched chaos except one. The one shining exception was Katanga
Speaker 4: was headed by Moischambai and Moischambie had been to some
Speaker 4: universities in London and had come to America, and he
Speaker 4: understood the principles of free enterprise capitalism. And he was
Speaker 4: standing firm and and his his province was like it
Speaker 4: had always been, and chaos was all around them. So
Speaker 4: where did the UN send the peacekeepers there?
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 4: It didn't They didn't send them any place else where
Speaker 4: the chaos was. They sent them where the chaos was not.
Speaker 4: And they literally overthrew the Katanga province and put into
Speaker 4: chaos also. And well, when I saw that documented so
Speaker 4: clearly and in many cases by the employees and officers
Speaker 4: of the u N itself, uh where they bragged about
Speaker 4: doing that in their own words. And when I saw that,
Speaker 4: that changed my life, because it was a red pill.
Speaker 4: You might say that I saw life the way it
Speaker 4: really was. And in one book by the I think
Speaker 4: it was an Irish general from Ireland, I can't think
Speaker 4: his name anyway, a big thick book on how wonderful
Speaker 4: he was in the Congo doing all these things on
Speaker 4: behalf of international cooperation and peace and so forth. And
Speaker 4: he's time and again said, well, you know, when this
Speaker 4: issue came up, we lied in the press conferences as
Speaker 4: all bureaucrats do. And he was sort of like, well,
Speaker 4: that's the way it is, folks. I'm glad you're reading
Speaker 4: my book. Now you know how it works. So Connor
Speaker 4: O'Brien that was his name, General O'Brien, and I realized
Speaker 4: that these people actually boast about some of the crimes
Speaker 4: they commit. And that was my changing point right there.
Speaker 4: And so my first interest was the United Nations, and
Speaker 4: I did some research on it. But I took that
Speaker 4: pamphlet that I talked about a moment ago, and then
Speaker 4: my own independent research and added to it. And that's
Speaker 4: what became the basis for my book, The Fearful Master.
Speaker 1: That's great, wonderful title as well.
Speaker 4: You talked about from that comes from a quotation attributed
Speaker 4: to George Washington. I could never find an official source
Speaker 4: for it, but everybody seemed to agree that it came
Speaker 4: from him, and he said, government is not Let's see
Speaker 4: if I get this straight. Government is not wisdom, It
Speaker 4: is not benevolence, It is force like fire. It is
Speaker 4: a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah. Whoever wrote that if Yeah, they nailed it.
Speaker 1: So it's absolutely true. Now you were with the John Burks.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about how they liked to paint portray
Speaker 1: Birchers as crazy, and I guess a big part of that.
Speaker 1: I think a big part of that war against the
Speaker 1: John Birch Society was coming from William F. Buckley. Talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about that or was he the point
Speaker 1: man publicly or was there, you know, other things that
Speaker 1: were having well.
Speaker 4: I don't think Buckley was a point man at all.
Speaker 4: That's an interesting observation. Buckley did come up publicly against
Speaker 4: the Birch Society, and the militant left left wingers attacked
Speaker 4: the Birch Society vehemently. They called it, you know, fascist, Nazis, extremists,
Speaker 4: anti Semites, wackos, you know, in any of those things,
Speaker 4: and they just kept repeating it and repeating it, and
Speaker 4: a lot of people believed it because they read about
Speaker 4: it in their newspaper, and of course it was none
Speaker 4: of those things. But that didn't make any difference. The
Speaker 4: perception is the important thing. Yes, but Buckley was not
Speaker 4: from the radical left. There were a few people like
Speaker 4: Buckley that also jumped on the badwagon from what people
Speaker 4: considered to be the right wing. Of course, we could
Speaker 4: talk about the impropriety of thinking there's a difference between
Speaker 4: right and left. Later, but I learned that the hard
Speaker 4: way too, that the right wing and the left wing
Speaker 4: are merely two wings on the same ugly bird called collectivism. Anyway,
Speaker 4: that I hadn't learned that yet. So anyway, Buckley was
Speaker 4: one of those guys who was associated with the so
Speaker 4: called right wing, but they believed pretty much the same thing,
Speaker 4: and they would attack any serious challenge to collectivism, which
Speaker 4: is what they believed in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a big establishment. I remember I was thinking
Speaker 1: that I was trying to get polar oppositees. I'd read
Speaker 1: National Review and I'd read The Nation. When I was
Speaker 1: in college, I'd read these and kind of try to
Speaker 1: figure out what was going on. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: read time in newsweeks. I wanted to get these opposing
Speaker 1: views anything. But then I eventually found that they were
Speaker 1: also very much alike in many ways extreme that I wasn't.
Speaker 4: You know, So, yeah, what's the what's the supposing business business?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: People, people have to learn that lesson. Yet they still think,
Speaker 4: especially as we are living right now through a period
Speaker 4: of great political intensity, they really think that the political
Speaker 4: parties are going to be their salvation. It's just a
Speaker 4: question who are you going to vote for?
Speaker 1: And it is the most important election of our lifetime.
Speaker 1: You've had a lot of those most important elections of
Speaker 1: your lifetime, haven't you. You've probably heard that more.
Speaker 4: Every one of them is the most last chance to
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 1: That's right. You're going to be the end of the
Speaker 1: world if we don't get this right. Yeah, yeah, we've
Speaker 1: heard that so many times. Well, so you start out
Speaker 1: with the U N and you're working with JBS, and
Speaker 1: how did you get over to the Federal Reserve? How
Speaker 1: did you move over that?
Speaker 4: I decided I had to produce some little documentaries or
Speaker 4: documentary films as we call them today. But back in
Speaker 4: those days, unless you had big bucks, in which we didn't,
Speaker 4: you used the film strips, film strip projectors, and it
Speaker 4: was a projector where you rule a little role of
Speaker 4: a thirty five milimeter film with just still pictures on
Speaker 4: him one you know, I think we had ninety eight
Speaker 4: pictures or so, and you click them one at a
Speaker 4: time and it projects up on the screen. You play
Speaker 4: this soundtrack on like an LP recording on a phonograph machine,
Speaker 4: and when it's time to change the picture. There's a
Speaker 4: beep that comes onto the sound. The operator turns the picture,
Speaker 4: and then narration continues, and then there's it's like a
Speaker 4: PowerPoint presentation with the beeps. And so that's what we
Speaker 4: did in those days, and I did well, I don't
Speaker 4: know nine or ten of them, and I decided I
Speaker 4: wanted to do one on inflation and the money supply.
Speaker 4: I didn't know much about it, but I knew that
Speaker 4: there was something fishy going on because everybody was accusing
Speaker 4: the other guy of being responsible for inflation. Everybody accused
Speaker 4: the farmers they were getting too much for their food,
Speaker 4: and the farmers that were starving, we have to eat
Speaker 4: their own food to just stay alive. But you don't
Speaker 4: make any money. It's the distributors that take all the
Speaker 4: money and distributes it, not us. It's the truckers, and
Speaker 4: the truckers know it's not us. It's the it's the
Speaker 4: grocery stores and the groceries. It's not us. It's the
Speaker 4: labor unions and so forth, and they're all, you know,
Speaker 4: everybody's pointing to somebody else is the cause. And they
Speaker 4: were all correct in a sense that it was not them.
Speaker 4: But they didn't know who it was, that hidden element
Speaker 4: that nobody had looked at, and so I was curious
Speaker 4: about that. So I started to do research on inflation,
Speaker 4: and of course that leads directly to the engine of inflation,
Speaker 4: and that's the Federal Reserve system, because that's the power
Speaker 4: that creates money out of debt. And they can just
Speaker 4: create as much money as people are willing to borrow
Speaker 4: into into existence, and it's not their money. They just
Speaker 4: created out of nothing or worse than nothing on the debt.
Speaker 4: So the money supply expands much faster than goods and
Speaker 4: services expand, and therefore the relative prices for those goods
Speaker 4: and services in terms of the expanded source of the
Speaker 4: money goes up. It's just a very simple formula. A
Speaker 4: high school kid that knows anything about math can figure
Speaker 4: it out. But the American people still don't understand it
Speaker 4: pretty much because it's deliberately compounded and made it look
Speaker 4: very complicated, and it's not over. So I got into
Speaker 4: that and I created a couple of banker boxes full
Speaker 4: of research on it, and I was ready to go,
Speaker 4: and then I he is, this topic is getting too
Speaker 4: big for me. And meanwhile I had to get on
Speaker 4: and produce some faster film strips because I have to
Speaker 4: put groceries on the table, right, So I put the
Speaker 4: banker boxes in my closet now. And then one day
Speaker 4: I got a call from a little old lady in
Speaker 4: tennis shoes from Pasadena. We've heard about those ladies. This
Speaker 4: was a real one, and she was a widow, and
Speaker 4: she obviously had some money because she lived in a
Speaker 4: big house in Pasady and her husband passed away, of course,
Speaker 4: and had this car in the garage. Was probably about
Speaker 4: twelve fifteen years old, but I think it had like
Speaker 4: eight hundred miles on it as read. Well, that's a
Speaker 4: little side story. But she was a wonderful lady. And
Speaker 4: she had a monthly class that she was or meeting
Speaker 4: in her home on taxes, and she'd heard that I
Speaker 4: was giving speeches and showing film strips and so forth.
Speaker 4: So she called me and asked me if I would
Speaker 4: give a speech to her group on the weekend on taxes.
Speaker 4: And I said, well, I don't know much about tech
Speaker 4: except that they're too high. And I'm again, what else
Speaker 4: can you say that taxes are? But I have I
Speaker 4: might be able to talk to your group about a
Speaker 4: hidden tax. Would that be of interest to you? And
Speaker 4: she said A hidden tax?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 4: And in my supreme wisdom, I said, well, I guess
Speaker 4: you're just going to have to retain my services so
Speaker 4: I can tell you what. She laughed, she said, you
Speaker 4: got me. She said, let's do it, so all right,
Speaker 4: I committed to do a presentation on the Federal Reserve
Speaker 4: as the hidden tax. And that forced me to open
Speaker 4: up my banker boxes and go through the stuff again.
Speaker 4: And the second time through, I was amazed at what
Speaker 4: I picked up that I didn't catch the first time through.
Speaker 4: And I became electrified by how really important this was,
Speaker 4: how many areas in our lives it reached that I
Speaker 4: hadn't really focused on. So I got excited about it,
Speaker 4: and I spent some time putting together an outline. I
Speaker 4: gave the presentation and it was very well received. I
Speaker 4: was happy to see, and some people approached me afterwards
Speaker 4: there and they said that was good. You ought to
Speaker 4: click that on the road. Well you don't do that
Speaker 4: to a child actor. You say, oh, I'll put it
Speaker 4: on the road, which I did. I ramped it, got
Speaker 4: it all well organized, and I called it the Crash
Speaker 4: Course on Money it was a one day seminar. I thought,
Speaker 4: you know, I could probably sell tickets to this if
Speaker 4: I was smart enough, and so I tried that, and
Speaker 4: by golly, it worked, and I was selling tickets and travel.
Speaker 4: I'll put it on the road. I was going from
Speaker 4: town to town to town. This time. I'm not doing
Speaker 4: what I did in the old days. I was taking
Speaker 4: care of myself. And so we did this crash course
Speaker 4: on money. And then I'm probably giving you more information
Speaker 4: than you want, but this is what happened. At the
Speaker 4: end of I think it was probably about the ninth
Speaker 4: or tenth seminar. At the end of the meeting, I
Speaker 4: was approached by another little old lady and she said,
Speaker 4: mister Griffin. And that was always a shock to me,
Speaker 4: because here she's an elderly lady and I'm still in
Speaker 4: my twenties, late twenties or early thirties, and in my thirties.
Speaker 4: I guess she's calling me mister Griffin. I've always got
Speaker 4: to kick out of that, she said. After what I've
Speaker 4: learned from you today, she said, I'm really concerned about
Speaker 4: what I should do with what limited resources I have.
Speaker 4: My husband passed away and he left a small stipend
Speaker 4: and insurance and we can get along. We have a
Speaker 4: small investment in a small apartment building or two apartments,
Speaker 4: I think, she said, But we're in debt. Should I
Speaker 4: get out of debt? Should I take what we have
Speaker 4: in assets and put it in gold and silver? Or
Speaker 4: should I what should I do with my assets? And
Speaker 4: it hit me or at that moment, what a fraud
Speaker 4: I was, because I did not know the answer to
Speaker 4: that question. I knew what the Federal Reserve was doing.
Speaker 4: I knew how they created money out of debt. I
Speaker 4: knew the impact had had on the purchasing power of money.
Speaker 4: I knew all those things, a lot of them, not all,
Speaker 4: But I was a learning still in those days. But
Speaker 4: to answer the question of what she should do to
Speaker 4: avoid the consequences of that, I had no idea. I
Speaker 4: was a fraud and she was expecting me to know.
Speaker 4: So I stopped doing the webinar the seminars, I should say,
Speaker 4: and I enrolled in the College for Financial Planning, which
Speaker 4: was a course done by a Chicago outfit, an educational group.
Speaker 4: It was like a CFP designation, and it normally takes
Speaker 4: a couple of years to get it, and so I
Speaker 4: rolled in it, and it was all by course respondent
Speaker 4: and then you have to go to a physical location
Speaker 4: and take the exam that's an all day exam and
Speaker 4: so forth. So I did that, and I got my
Speaker 4: CFP designation as a financial advisor, not because I wanted
Speaker 4: to do that. I just wanted to know how to
Speaker 4: answer this woman's question, how do you protect your assets
Speaker 4: and under these conditions? So that's what I did. And
Speaker 4: then I came out of that with another realization which
Speaker 4: I never would have had had I not been taking
Speaker 4: that course, and that is that these people were teaching bunk.
Speaker 4: I was learning bunk now. They were teaching how to
Speaker 4: invest in markets that is in the best interest of
Speaker 4: the financial planners, not in the best interest of the investors.
Speaker 4: And that was really what it was all about. And
Speaker 4: of course they always said it was for the group,
Speaker 4: for the best investment for the I'll get this straight.
Speaker 4: Yet it's always best for the investor himself. But it
Speaker 4: was always an investment that paid a commission to the
Speaker 4: person that recommended it or something, and none of it
Speaker 4: really took into account that the value of the money
Speaker 4: was constantly being depreciated. They didn't really understand inflation, or
Speaker 4: they said, well, this has a better interest rate, and
Speaker 4: therefore better for him to fight inflation. But they never
Speaker 4: talked about inflation itself and what the long term consequences
Speaker 4: might be over twenty or thirty years for you who
Speaker 4: do everything they recommend, but still in twenty or thirty
Speaker 4: years you have zero because the dollar is zero, and
Speaker 4: things like that. So that's when I decided, hey, somebody
Speaker 4: ought to write a book on this. I looked around
Speaker 4: and there were books on the topic, but they were
Speaker 4: all kind of written from the point of view of
Speaker 4: somebody who wanted to go into banking, they wanted to
Speaker 4: be a banker. The book was there on the Federal Reserve,
Speaker 4: how to how to use the Federal Reserve, how it works,
Speaker 4: and the terminology. It was all good, but it didn't
Speaker 4: The books didn't help the average person at all understand
Speaker 4: the fraud that was built into the banking system.
Speaker 1: And not even the bankers. I had a friend of ours,
Speaker 1: and I would make remarks from signing time to time
Speaker 1: about the Federal Reserve, and and we got together and
Speaker 1: he had his brother who was a branch manager at
Speaker 1: a bank. And he says, whatever his name was, I
Speaker 1: don't know Fred or something. I met him once and
Speaker 1: that was it. But he said, Fred, you know, Dave's
Speaker 1: got a lot of issues with Federal Reserve. He said,
Speaker 1: tell him about the Federal Reserve. Because they just cash checks,
Speaker 1: they just processed checks. That's that's that's your understanding of this.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's that was one of the one of
Speaker 1: the most clueless people I've ever seen in terms of finish.
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't even aware of the impact of
Speaker 1: you know, setting interest rates even for example, you know,
Speaker 1: none of it.
Speaker 4: Well, you see, you don't have to understand that to
Speaker 4: make a killing in the banking that's right, you have
Speaker 4: to do just know how to cash checks and move
Speaker 4: the money around. I collect interest, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely So that's.
Speaker 4: How it all started. And so, as I said earlier,
Speaker 4: it's kind of a boring story actually, because it's the
Speaker 4: same thing over and over again, that you'd stumble into
Speaker 4: things that you had no idea where you're headed. And
Speaker 4: if I had had any sense, literally any common sense,
Speaker 4: knowing what I know now, I would never have tackled
Speaker 4: it because it was it was so much over my understanding,
Speaker 4: over my head. I didn't know any of this. Well,
Speaker 4: it's a good thing I didn't know, because I've talked
Speaker 4: to bankers since then, and especially when I get in
Speaker 4: the topic of cancer and things like that. I have
Speaker 4: no medical background. Ye I'm writing a book on cancer
Speaker 4: therapy and so forth. And I've had people tell me,
Speaker 4: like doctors in particular, or say ed, you had an
Speaker 4: advantage that we didn't have. What what do you mean
Speaker 4: in advantage? How could that be? You went to school,
Speaker 4: That's the advantage we had. We had to unlearn. All
Speaker 4: you had to do was learn. We had to unlearn first.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because when you go through the institutions and
Speaker 4: they teach you these things, you believe, you become a
Speaker 4: true believer.
Speaker 1: Rush these people's before we leave the financial stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we've got a lot of people looking at
Speaker 1: what is happening now. It looks like, you know, they've
Speaker 1: been kicking this can down the road for a long time.
Speaker 1: Looks like you're getting towards the end of the rope.
Speaker 1: They've openly talked about how they want to re engineer
Speaker 1: the entire financial system. CBDC is on the horizon and
Speaker 1: all the rest of this stuff. You know what in general,
Speaker 1: is your advice to people. I know you're not a
Speaker 1: financial advisor financial advice, but just in general, in terms
Speaker 1: of preparing for what is coming, what would you say
Speaker 1: to people?
Speaker 4: I guess it depends on to whom I'm talking because
Speaker 4: for many people, if you tell them really what's happening,
Speaker 4: it's so beyond their world of understanding that they can't
Speaker 4: they cannot believe it, or if they believe it, they
Speaker 4: don't understand it, so you're wasting your time. You have
Speaker 4: to get depend on who you're talking to. But I
Speaker 4: guess the simplest way to explain it is to be
Speaker 4: totally honest, but to not be dramatic about it. So
Speaker 4: let's see if I can put that together.
Speaker 1: Some pretty dramatic stuff, get you it up, and.
Speaker 4: Then not being too dramatic. What is happening? In my view,
Speaker 4: it is that the old system of money is coming
Speaker 4: to an end. And that's an important fact to know
Speaker 4: because up until now, all you had to know is, well,
Speaker 4: what has always worked? You know, like should we should
Speaker 4: we invest in gold or silver or something in coins?
Speaker 4: And there could be arguments pro and con, but the
Speaker 4: most overwriting argument was it's always worked, no matter when
Speaker 4: you look in history, no matter what the problem was,
Speaker 4: those that had gold and silver always came out on top.
Speaker 4: So it's always worked that way. Is a really powerful item,
Speaker 4: but now it isn't in my view, because the system
Speaker 4: itself is changing, where to the point where money will
Speaker 4: no longer even exist in the way that we think
Speaker 4: of it money. The essence of money, in order for
Speaker 4: it to have any use to us is that we
Speaker 4: have to own it. It's got to be our money.
Speaker 4: It's not somebody else's money, because if it's somebody else's money,
Speaker 4: they can just take it back and well, we don't
Speaker 4: have it. And this is what's changing, is the fact
Speaker 4: that and most people don't see this at all. They think, well,
Speaker 4: no matter what they come up with, it will be
Speaker 4: dislike it always has been. No. No, Because there's cbcds
Speaker 4: the central Bank digital currencies that all of the nations
Speaker 4: now are committed to adopting in the very near future,
Speaker 4: in the next decade for sure, possibly starting in the
Speaker 4: next year or two. That quality of private ownership is gone.
Speaker 4: That those tokens are whatever they call them, the digital currencies,
Speaker 4: they'll have different names. Whatever the name is, they will
Speaker 4: be owned by the banks, and they'll be allocated to
Speaker 4: you and me and everybody else to use as long
Speaker 4: as we have a good social credit, which means as
Speaker 4: long as we behave according to what they think we.
Speaker 1: Should, are going to be pretty poorly.
Speaker 4: We're going to be out on the street. I'm sitting
Speaker 4: on the curb with a tin cup asking somebody to
Speaker 4: put a coin into the tin cup. But there'll be
Speaker 4: no coins. There are no coins anymore. They're just digital
Speaker 4: impulses in the computer. So forget the cup, and people
Speaker 4: can understand that we're actually approaching a change in the
Speaker 4: entire system. So the rules of what you do are
Speaker 4: different now. I would say, normally, without this upcoming CBCDS
Speaker 4: that we should have a nice stockpile in gold and silver,
Speaker 4: And I still say that, by the way, I have
Speaker 4: not as nice as stockpile as I would like, but
Speaker 4: I have some shekels put away in gold and silver
Speaker 4: and in food and other physical tangibles, other assets that
Speaker 4: people will need and you could use as barter. But
Speaker 4: in terms of how you come out of it okay
Speaker 4: and still maintain your lifestyle, it's a different game. And
Speaker 4: the chances are we're not going to come out of
Speaker 4: it anywhere close to how we went into it, and
Speaker 4: we have to be prepared for that reality. Nobody wants
Speaker 4: to hear that.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think what we're going to get is
Speaker 1: a heavy dose of reality. You know, it's going to
Speaker 1: be skills, and it's going to be commodities and things
Speaker 1: like that that are going to be negotiable, and you
Speaker 1: know it's going to be really it is going to
Speaker 1: be a reset. And then the question is how do
Speaker 1: we cope with that. I think, you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of people talking about a parallel society, Americans have not
Speaker 1: really had any experience like people in third world countries
Speaker 1: have in terms of operating black markets and things like that.
Speaker 1: But I guess we'll learn pretty quickly.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Well, even the black market has a problem
Speaker 4: with it because in order for a black market to work,
Speaker 4: you have to have money that you own, you still have.
Speaker 4: You go into the black market and you have money
Speaker 4: that you can give to somebody who's going to give
Speaker 4: you something, or you can barter. Is the only thing
Speaker 4: border left, and that only works in your local community,
Speaker 4: among people you know and trust. So it doesn't allow
Speaker 4: you to put gas in your car, it doesn't allow
Speaker 4: you to pay your rent, or to buy clothes in
Speaker 4: the big store, the big box stores or anything like that.
Speaker 4: If we don't turn this around and prevent it, we're
Speaker 4: going to be very much like little children who are
Speaker 4: completely dependent on the state for everything, and that includes food, shelter, healthcare, clothing, everything.
Speaker 4: And under those conditions, most people will buckle and they
Speaker 4: will be like slaves in Egypt.
Speaker 1: That's right. The thing that concerns me is that this
Speaker 1: is all based on surveillance, that is their overwriting desire
Speaker 1: to know everything about us. And what concerns me about
Speaker 1: it is how apathetic so many people in our society
Speaker 1: are about privacy and about surveillance and about free speech.
Speaker 1: And you got people, you know, across the political spectrum,
Speaker 1: all these people that are so eager about the election,
Speaker 1: and you see both of these candidates talking about how
Speaker 1: they've got to shut people down that disagree with them.
Speaker 1: And because of that, people downstream from them, we're also
Speaker 1: buying into this kind of censorship stuff. And I think
Speaker 1: if we could develop and get back in respect for
Speaker 1: free speech and for privacy and things like that, that
Speaker 1: really has to be fundamental as a guard against some
Speaker 1: of this stuff, because that really is the essence of
Speaker 1: how their controls are going to run out against us.
Speaker 4: What do you think, Well, you're a pretty correct and
Speaker 4: really which we have to be dealing with ideas and ideas.
Speaker 4: That's the basis of our war. This is a war
Speaker 4: of ideas, is I mean? Yet, they have these powerful
Speaker 4: weapons that frighten us and can be used to eliminate us,
Speaker 4: and that's the ultimate weapon, of course, But in the
Speaker 4: meantime they're conquering us not with weapons. They're conquering us
Speaker 4: with fear of weapons. And that fear of weapons makes
Speaker 4: us very compliant. And of course if they didn't have
Speaker 4: the weapons, we wouldn't be afraid of them, that is true,
Speaker 4: but they could pretend like they have the weapons, and
Speaker 4: that's often what has happened in the past. Is you
Speaker 4: probably know in Russia, particularly in the Soviet Union, they
Speaker 4: would parade these huge missiles in the street on trucks.
Speaker 4: You know, they were like eighty feet long, and these
Speaker 4: huge missiles like we send to the Moon were supposedly
Speaker 4: I don't know what to think about that one, but
Speaker 4: those weren't really missiles at all. I'm told that they
Speaker 4: were just you know, made of wood and painted up
Speaker 4: and so forth. But Americans, oh, look, they got missiles too,
Speaker 4: and there was the fear of missiles, not the missiles themselves,
Speaker 4: that caused us to not confront the Soviet Union and
Speaker 4: try and make friends with them and abandon our own
Speaker 4: interests and so forth. So this can parade, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: So anyway, this is new and I guess that's my
Speaker 4: message that the old answers to that question are not
Speaker 4: reliable anymore. But that still doesn't mean you shouldn't give
Speaker 4: them up. I mean you shouldn't use them, I should say,
Speaker 4: because I think that even though even though we didn't
Speaker 4: don't have money because we're not obedient enough and they
Speaker 4: cut us down, and we did have coins, we could
Speaker 4: probably find somebody whould take silver coins if they're small denomination,
Speaker 4: and gold coins in return for food or something that
Speaker 4: they have a little surplus on in their homes. But
Speaker 4: this is not living, This is not surviving. This is slavery.
Speaker 1: And I think, though, if we fall back on the
Speaker 1: fact that what's going to get us through this one
Speaker 1: way or the other is going to be the ideas,
Speaker 1: it's going to be the principles on which we base
Speaker 1: our life. I think people who have relationship with Christ
Speaker 1: are going to have a foundation that's going to carry
Speaker 1: them through this stuff, and it's going to be very difficult.
Speaker 1: If you don't have something like that, you are going
Speaker 1: to If you don't have any the sand is going
Speaker 1: to be shifting, the earth is going to be quaking.
Speaker 1: And if there isn't some foundation that is rock solid
Speaker 1: in your life, and if they've got you, afraid they've
Speaker 1: got you. And that's what we saw four years ago.
Speaker 1: That was really a panic and fear. But that brings
Speaker 1: me to the medical stuff because I don't want to
Speaker 1: finish the interview without having you talk about the book
Speaker 1: World Without Cancer. I think this is really a time
Speaker 1: for people's eyes to be open to this because prior
Speaker 1: to what happened in twenty twenty, a lot of people
Speaker 1: were taken in by the white coats. Remember when they
Speaker 1: first started this thing, you had a public health person
Speaker 1: come out. I played that clip over and over again.
Speaker 1: Comes out to the podium, But before the person who's
Speaker 1: going to speak comes out of the podium, they had
Speaker 1: six people come out, three on each side, all them
Speaker 1: in white coats, and they march out in a line
Speaker 1: and three of them stand on one side of the
Speaker 1: podium and three of them. So look at this, that
Speaker 1: just putting this in your face, like we got white
Speaker 1: lab coats, were medical and we have authority, so listen
Speaker 1: to us. And I think people have seen that now
Speaker 1: as a fraud and they have seen the self interest
Speaker 1: in all of this stuff, so they're open to questioning
Speaker 1: the authorities on this. And I'm sure you know you
Speaker 1: must have quite a story behind A World Without Cancer,
Speaker 1: because I know they came after Latrill and B seventeen
Speaker 1: and Migdalena that in a very very heavy way. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that you had written this book until I
Speaker 1: interviewed John Richardson at RNC store dot com and when
Speaker 1: he was talking about the books that they have there
Speaker 1: and about your book especially. That's one of the main
Speaker 1: reasons I wanted to get you on because this is
Speaker 1: so key and it is a time that people are
Speaker 1: ripe to hear this message. Tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about that. How you got into it?
Speaker 4: Well, there you go again, How did I get into it? Well,
Speaker 4: John Richardson, senior Doctor Richardson and I were very close
Speaker 4: friends that we had both worked together on projects in
Speaker 4: the Birch Society and he put up some money to
Speaker 4: open up a little bookstore in the San Francisco area,
Speaker 4: and that's where I got involved, because I was with
Speaker 4: the Birch Society in those days. But we soon developed
Speaker 4: a personal friendship that went well beyond that. And it
Speaker 4: got to the point where after a while, we want
Speaker 4: to get away from the routreet, the regular routine of
Speaker 4: our daily lives, and we'd like to get away from
Speaker 4: town to go out in the countryside and tell people
Speaker 4: we're going fishing or something like that. But we just
Speaker 4: go out and talk and do some hiking in the hills.
Speaker 4: And one day we're out doing that and and doctor
Speaker 4: John says to me, Ed, I need your help. I
Speaker 4: need your he had he took his briefcase with him
Speaker 4: on that trip.
Speaker 1: I thought was.
Speaker 4: Strange, and he opened up this. He opened up his
Speaker 4: briefcase and pulled out some papers and fumbled through them.
Speaker 4: He said, I'm trying to write an article for the
Speaker 4: local newspaper or magazine and I need your help writing.
Speaker 4: Could you help me? I said, well, sure, of course,
Speaker 4: that's what I do. You're you're the doctor. If I
Speaker 4: get sick, you help me. I'm the writer. And if
Speaker 4: you're silly enough to ask me to help you with
Speaker 4: the writing, and so he said, Well, I asked him,
Speaker 4: I said, what is it? I said, well, I'm in
Speaker 4: trouble with the local medical association. They're threatening to take
Speaker 4: away my license. I said, what did you do? You know,
Speaker 4: like the typical what did you do wrong? Yeah, well,
Speaker 4: this is what I'm doing wrong. Is I'm saving lives?
Speaker 1: Oh, this was?
Speaker 4: This was.
Speaker 1: Now we've seen that story over and over again. People
Speaker 1: are ready to hear this and understand what's behind it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I said, what do you mean? So naturally he
Speaker 4: told me the story. He says. He said, I'm an eye,
Speaker 4: ear nose, and throat specialist, as you know, but I've
Speaker 4: been getting people with cancer throughout their body the systemic,
Speaker 4: and they want me to treat them because they hear
Speaker 4: that I've got something that works. And I said, well
Speaker 4: do you He said, yeah, I do. Well tell me
Speaker 4: about it. So that's how the start the whole thing started.
Speaker 4: He said, Well, I found out there's a substance that's
Speaker 4: found in nature that I didn't believe in at first,
Speaker 4: but my office manager convinced me to look into it.
Speaker 4: So I did. This is a substance as accurs in nature,
Speaker 4: and if you eat it, it turns out to be
Speaker 4: a natural control or prevention, a natural resistance against cancer.
Speaker 4: I said, how can that be? He said, well, I'm
Speaker 4: not sure how it can be, but I know that
Speaker 4: it works. So he's told me the story of this
Speaker 4: amignalant or lay is the more popular name for it.
Speaker 4: That's found in some twelve hundred edible plants actually, but anyway,
Speaker 4: it's primarily found for commercial purposes in apricot seeds and
Speaker 4: peach seeds and any fruit in the Roseatia family has
Speaker 4: this stuff called amygdalen in It is bitter to the taste,
Speaker 4: and that's why most people in the Western world or
Speaker 4: in affluent societies don't like to eat foods that have
Speaker 4: this substance in it, because it's bitter. If you've ever
Speaker 4: bitten into an apple seed, you know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 4: that's the flavor. And he said, that stuff, in low quantities,
Speaker 4: it looks like it's a natural control for cancer. And
Speaker 4: he told me the story. All right, this gets interesting
Speaker 4: in the details. He had a dog that had cancer
Speaker 4: and he was about to put the dog down because
Speaker 4: you know, he tried chemotherapy and everything else on the
Speaker 4: dog that the doctors do and it wasn't working. The
Speaker 4: dog was getting sicker. And when he heard about this,
Speaker 4: he says, I tried to use I decided to use
Speaker 4: this substance on the dog, and he said, blow me down.
Speaker 4: The dog got well real fast, and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: I'd never seen that happen before. And then the next
Speaker 4: part of the story is that he said his nurse
Speaker 4: came to him, his head nurse, whose husband had terminal cancer,
Speaker 4: and she said, doctor John, you know my husband is
Speaker 4: not going to last very much longer. And I saw
Speaker 4: what happened to the dog. Would you please do that
Speaker 4: for my husband? Oh? And he said, well, sure, I'd
Speaker 4: be glad to, but don't tell anybody because it's not approved,
Speaker 4: you know, for human use. And he tried it on
Speaker 4: her husband and he got well, this is how it
Speaker 4: all started. And so John said, I started using it
Speaker 4: very very cautiously and very low dose aages and very suspiciously,
Speaker 4: making sure that I was not risking anybody's life, using
Speaker 4: it only on people who really had terminal cancer to
Speaker 4: start off with. And he said, I was getting way
Speaker 4: way better results than anybody I know. But the word
Speaker 4: got out.
Speaker 5: He said.
Speaker 4: I never advertised it and never talked much about it
Speaker 4: because I knew what the establishment would say about it.
Speaker 4: It was quackery or something like that. But the word
Speaker 4: got out because these patients that are dancing out of
Speaker 4: the office when they came in on a gurney, they
Speaker 4: talk about it. And so patients started coming to his clinic.
Speaker 4: And it was no longer by this time an eye,
Speaker 4: ear nose, and throat clinic. It was a cancer clinic
Speaker 4: and people were coming from all over the world. And
Speaker 4: I didn't know that at that time. So that's the
Speaker 4: story he told me. And he said, now the medical
Speaker 4: professionists found out about it, and they threatened me that
Speaker 4: if I don't stop this immediately, they're going to take
Speaker 4: my license. And he said, I need to tell the story.
Speaker 4: Will you help me write it? I said, sure, that
Speaker 4: sounds interesting. I thought it would be a three day project,
Speaker 4: you know, just to read about it a little bit
Speaker 4: and ask a few questions and then just write it up.
Speaker 4: But it turned out to be I don't know, a
Speaker 4: three year project, yeah, something like that. And it changed
Speaker 4: my life. It just changed my life. I wouldn't be
Speaker 4: here today if I hadn't learned about that, because it
Speaker 4: made me realize that almost everything that we think, we
Speaker 4: know that it's really important in our lives is a lie.
Speaker 4: When I realized that money was a lie, and now
Speaker 4: I found out that cancer treatments were a lie, what's
Speaker 4: more important than that? Yes, that changed my life, and
Speaker 4: in my own family, I've seen we have some members
Speaker 4: of our family that are alive because of the treatments.
Speaker 4: So I wrote the book. It took me quite a while.
Speaker 4: I sat at the at the feet of listening to
Speaker 4: the great, the great scientists and doctors who really knew
Speaker 4: about this stuff. Doctor Richison was very open about it.
Speaker 4: And of course I met the originator of this whole treatment,
Speaker 4: who was doctor Ernst T. Krebs Junior, who was the
Speaker 4: inventor of all that, or not the inventor, but the
Speaker 4: discoverer of the chemical and use and pioneer and using
Speaker 4: it for cancer. And I sat in his office many
Speaker 4: many an hour. He's a portly gentleman. He was sit
Speaker 4: back and he put his fingers together and said, well,
Speaker 4: let me think about that for a moment, and.
Speaker 1: He'd go off of how did he discover it?
Speaker 4: How did he discover well, okay, his father was a d.
Speaker 4: He was not an MD doctor. He had his PhD
Speaker 4: degree from some smaller institution, which they liked to hold
Speaker 4: it against him because it wasn't from It wasn't from
Speaker 4: Harbor or something like that. He was a PhD. But
Speaker 4: his doctor was a pioneer in that. So his doctor
Speaker 4: and his father and he worked together on all kinds
Speaker 4: of herbal constructions from nature because they had already discovered
Speaker 4: in their minds that nature has the cure, not the
Speaker 4: test tube. So that's where they were experimenting. And they
Speaker 4: found that the use of leatrill or the substance. Now
Speaker 4: there's this whole big story behind it. So that's what
Speaker 4: the book was about. I'll just give you one quick example.
Speaker 4: One of the clues to this was the fact that
Speaker 4: in the Midwest, it was quite common for farmers to
Speaker 4: see that their cows would develop cancers of the mouth
Speaker 4: and lips and so forth and other parts of their
Speaker 4: bodies in the winter time, but they would usually go
Speaker 4: away in the spring. And they said, why is that.
Speaker 4: There must be something about the weather, you know. Well,
Speaker 4: then they got to observing that it happened shortly after
Speaker 4: the green sprouts came up through the snow in the
Speaker 4: spring when the snow started to melt, and the first
Speaker 4: green grasses started to come up through the snow, and
Speaker 4: the cows would eat the green grasses. And it turns
Speaker 4: out these broad leaf grasses are very rich sources of amignalant.
Speaker 4: So that was the kind of clues that they had.
Speaker 4: How they discovered this is by you know, scientific method,
Speaker 4: and so anyway, that's how it started. And so John
Speaker 4: asked me to help him write the article, and I did,
Speaker 4: and that led to the book and and.
Speaker 1: Then what happened. I bet they when we look at
Speaker 1: what happened in the last few years, if anybody comes
Speaker 1: up with any treatment other than the one that they've
Speaker 1: decided they're going to sell you, they come after you
Speaker 1: in every way. We've seen that with ivermectin HQ, anything
Speaker 1: else that anybody comes up with, and so everybody this
Speaker 1: has been on public display now. But you lived this.
Speaker 1: I guess the book was written in nineteen seventy. You've
Speaker 1: done an update I think in twenty ten or something
Speaker 1: like that, but you know this is back in sixties,
Speaker 1: I guess where this is happening. But you know, when
Speaker 1: you were publishing it. So what happened after you published this?
Speaker 1: What was a firestorm?
Speaker 4: Well that's an interesting story. I published it and we
Speaker 4: sold it as a little I had a little publishing
Speaker 4: company by then, American Media, and we had a break
Speaker 4: brisk sale on it. And I went to a book
Speaker 4: convention in San Francisco shortly after the book was published,
Speaker 4: and that's where all the biggies came. You know, these
Speaker 4: big exhibits that half a block wide, and let's see
Speaker 4: which one, which one was it? It was the little
Speaker 4: pocket Books Bantam Banham Bandham was there, and I thought, well,
Speaker 4: maybe we could convince Badham to reprint this and put
Speaker 4: it on the big market. So it just so happened.
Speaker 4: On the morning of the first day. The president of
Speaker 4: Bantam was there on the floor when I was there,
Speaker 4: and I saw this cluster of people around him, so
Speaker 4: I thought I'll get in line. So I did, and
Speaker 4: so I went up shook his hand. I said, I'll
Speaker 4: make this short. Mister Smith or whatever his name was.
Speaker 4: I said, we have this book here on lea trill
Speaker 4: and it is carrying cancer. You probably have heard about
Speaker 4: it the newspapers. There's a big controversy over it. And
Speaker 4: I'd like to give you a copy and see if
Speaker 4: it sounds like it's something that Bantam would like to
Speaker 4: run with. So he gave it to his assistant who
Speaker 4: was standing next to him, and he said, y oh, well,
Speaker 4: we look at this. Well. They called me later in
Speaker 4: the afternoon and they wanted to have dinner with me
Speaker 4: and they wanted to talk to me about printing the book. So,
Speaker 4: make a long story short, we did. You signed a contract. Wow,
Speaker 4: we got banned them to publish our book. And they
Speaker 4: put it out. They made it a they had a
Speaker 4: special name for it. It was a special edition that
Speaker 4: they can produce a book in I think it's forty
Speaker 4: eight hours something like that.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And they just work around the clock. They have teams
Speaker 4: of people and they work twenty four hours to get
Speaker 4: the thing out in forty eight hours or something like that.
Speaker 4: And they did that with this book, and it went
Speaker 4: on the book stands and it was selling like hotcakes.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, we got this message
Speaker 4: that this out of print. Nobody can get the books
Speaker 4: out of print, and so we checked it out. Sure enough,
Speaker 4: it's out of print. How come it's out of print?
Speaker 4: And I called the publisher and well, there's no demand
Speaker 4: for it.
Speaker 1: Nobody.
Speaker 4: They mean there's no demand. The bookstores are clamoring for it. Well,
Speaker 4: our statistics show there's no demand for it. Well, we
Speaker 4: couldn't convince them otherwise. They just didn't want to reprint it.
Speaker 4: So it was clear that somebody on the board of
Speaker 4: directors at banned them. Got the word, Hey, you guys
Speaker 4: made a big mistake. You published the wrong book, and
Speaker 4: so we were we were clamped out. We had one
Speaker 4: printing and that was it. It was glorious for a
Speaker 4: few weeks, but after that it was dead in the door.
Speaker 1: Now, story of my life. You talk about the pharmaceutical companies,
Speaker 1: they come after you and they get you shut down. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It is amazing. But again, you know, people
Speaker 1: can find that at RNC store dot com. I know
Speaker 1: that he sells it there. And very important for people
Speaker 1: to take control of their life, to question what they
Speaker 1: have been taught and to think critically. And that really
Speaker 1: has been the story of your life. I think questioning
Speaker 1: what a lot of people just accept as fact. And
Speaker 1: you have done your research and you gave people your opinion,
Speaker 1: and I think when their response is to just shut
Speaker 1: things down. That's something of an endorsement of your research.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in sort of a backward way, that's a pretty
Speaker 4: good recommendations. I've been centered by the best.
Speaker 1: That's right. Well, tell us about the Red Pill University
Speaker 1: and the Red Expo, which is coming up November sixteenth
Speaker 1: through seventeenth, right, tell us little bit about it.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's a big flagship event. We started the Red
Speaker 4: Pill expos in twenty seventeen and they've been just roaring successes.
Speaker 4: We were very skeptical about it at first because you
Speaker 4: know the red Pill meme. In case there's anybody listening
Speaker 4: that doesn't know what that means. It's based on a
Speaker 4: sci fi movie it's about twenty one years ago now
Speaker 4: called The Matrix, and the whole theme of the story
Speaker 4: was that humans were now living in a fantasy world.
Speaker 4: They were all wired up to machines and they were
Speaker 4: dreaming about their lives. They weren't really living them, and
Speaker 4: they thought they were going to work every day, They
Speaker 4: thought they were raising a family, going on vacation, eating
Speaker 4: meals and so on. But it was all programmed into
Speaker 4: their minds and they were controlled by the Matrix. That's
Speaker 4: what they called it. There was this computerized reality, and
Speaker 4: the only way to get out of that was to
Speaker 4: take the red pill. There was the blue pill, which
Speaker 4: you could take if you chose to, which would put
Speaker 4: you back into the illusion, but to get out of
Speaker 4: the illusion, you had to take the red pill. It
Speaker 4: turns out that many people chose the blue pill because
Speaker 4: it was more comfortable. They'd rather not know that they
Speaker 4: were wired up to a machine. They'd rather think they
Speaker 4: were living a normal life. It was more pleasant than
Speaker 4: knowing that you had to fight the matrix to exist,
Speaker 4: So it was kind of a good parallel to the reality.
Speaker 4: So we thought we would call this the Red Pill
Speaker 4: Expo and deal with topics like that that We wanted
Speaker 4: to expose the reality that's underneath the illusions. And as
Speaker 4: I said a moment ago, it seems like the more
Speaker 4: important something is, the more likely it is that we
Speaker 4: are in illusions about it, because it's to somebody's best
Speaker 4: interest to do that to us. Yes, they profit from
Speaker 4: our naivety and our false beliefs.
Speaker 1: Now where can they well go to get this as
Speaker 1: you've got read.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, right, yeah. We have done physical events from
Speaker 4: the beginning and they were very well attended and very successful.
Speaker 4: But this time around we've decided to go one hundred
Speaker 4: percent live stream, primarily so that we can cut expenses
Speaker 4: on the overall production and make the event absolutely free
Speaker 4: instead of having to charge tickets for it, because we
Speaker 4: want this is not about money, it's about getting the
Speaker 4: word out. So that's what we're doing this time and
Speaker 4: it's working pretty well. We're very impressed by the response,
Speaker 4: but we want as many people this is globally now
Speaker 4: around the world to sign up for it, and you
Speaker 4: can find all the information who's going to be speaking,
Speaker 4: what the events are, what the topics are, and a
Speaker 4: lot of insights us to the themes and so forth on
Speaker 4: redpillexpo dot org. Okay, redpillexpo dot org. So sign up.
Speaker 4: It's free, and we do have an option for those
Speaker 4: that want to come in on a VIP basis that
Speaker 4: gets some extra goodies if they want to do that,
Speaker 4: like they can ask questions of the speakers, and we've
Speaker 4: got a raffle going on and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: It would be nice to be able to pay the bills,
Speaker 4: but we want this free if necessary, to anybody that
Speaker 4: can't afford ten or twenty dollars or whatever it is
Speaker 4: as a donation. It's free. That's what our goal is.
Speaker 1: You see good. And one other question I've got about it.
Speaker 1: I see that you've got a new book coming out
Speaker 1: that's coming up. How it's called The Chasm, The Issue
Speaker 1: Behind All Issues? When is that coming out?
Speaker 4: Well, the latter part is a tough one. Yes, I
Speaker 4: do have a new book. It's been coming out. It's
Speaker 4: been coming out ever since the day after nine to eleven. Actually,
Speaker 4: that's what I started. That's what I started to write
Speaker 4: it the day after nine to eleven. That was you
Speaker 4: talk about a red pill. Yeah, oh yeah. But the
Speaker 4: whole purpose of the book is to provide historical support
Speaker 4: for the fact that our war today that we're in
Speaker 4: is a war of ideas. It's an ideological war. And
Speaker 4: it's not between the left and the right. It's not
Speaker 4: between the Republicans and the Democrats, or the Liberals and
Speaker 4: the Conservatives, or the Nazis or the Communists or the
Speaker 4: socialists or all of these labels that we've been given
Speaker 4: to worry about. It's not the Masons, it's not the Catholics,
Speaker 4: it's not the Jews, it's not the Black people. It's
Speaker 4: not the Christians, it's not the Muslims. All these divisions
Speaker 4: they want to get us focused on. You know, it's
Speaker 4: not about any of that. Those all little sub sections
Speaker 4: play a part in it. But the overwriting, controlling, dominating
Speaker 4: force behind it all is an idea, and it's a
Speaker 4: conflict of ideas, I should say, between something called collectivism
Speaker 4: and individualism. I found out in my research that those
Speaker 4: words were well known and used quite extensively one hundred
Speaker 4: years ago. You find them in the old books and
Speaker 4: in old newspapers too, But modern now it's all been scrubbed,
Speaker 4: and for good reason, because those two words, as strange
Speaker 4: as they are to the ears of most people today,
Speaker 4: are fully describing the conflict between left and right. And
Speaker 4: you know all these things we mentioned before. When you
Speaker 4: peel off the labels, you find it's collectivism versus individualism,
Speaker 4: and so are what are the what is that? How
Speaker 4: do you define that? And that's what this booklet is
Speaker 4: all about, is I took all the issues in the
Speaker 4: in the big book that I'm working on to illustrate
Speaker 4: support for these principles. I've taken just the principles themselves
Speaker 4: and put them into a fifty page document, and I'm
Speaker 4: giving them away free because I'm afraid I'm not going
Speaker 4: to live long enough to get this bloody book finished.
Speaker 4: Although I'm making progress, I want to get these principles
Speaker 4: out now. So about ten months ago we made this
Speaker 4: little booklet here. This is fifty pages. It's the chasm
Speaker 4: collectivism versus individualism, and it's everything I have learned about
Speaker 4: those two topics. It's all there and type and we've
Speaker 4: got some good illustrations. You can see those in the back.
Speaker 4: Sure of illustrate the points that we're making. I think
Speaker 4: I have found few, very few open minded people, and
Speaker 4: that's hard to define, but very few people who I
Speaker 4: would have continued to be on the other side politically
Speaker 4: from my position that after reading this and going over
Speaker 4: the these principles, doesn't come to the point where they say,
Speaker 4: hmm hmm, I guess I've been an individualist all along
Speaker 4: and didn't know it. It's that simple, it's that clear.
Speaker 4: We get to thinking of Well, let me back up.
Speaker 4: The mantra of collectivism is this, the individual must be sacrificed. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I fully stated, is the group is more important than
Speaker 4: the individual and the individual must be sacrificed if necessary,
Speaker 4: or the greater good of the greater number.
Speaker 1: Why didn't we see that with public health and all
Speaker 1: the rest is with everything? Yeah, I know that with everything.
Speaker 1: That's a good example of because they don't care about
Speaker 1: individual health, right, No, we don't really care. If you've
Speaker 1: had any issues with any of this, You're going to
Speaker 1: do it for the public health, for the public good.
Speaker 1: Everybody's going to have to do this. And I talked
Speaker 1: that bureaucracy, the public education, and once they start talking
Speaker 1: about that, it is the collectivism that is there.
Speaker 4: You find this issue underneath all of them. That's why
Speaker 4: I say this is the this is the this is
Speaker 4: the issue behind all issues. Literally, and look at Pearl Harbor,
Speaker 4: look at nine to eleven, look at COVID, look at everything.
Speaker 4: I don't care what it is. You find that collectivism
Speaker 4: is the answer. What makes all of that seem justified? Yes,
Speaker 4: Lenin put it this way. Vladimir Iliitch Lenin said, if
Speaker 4: you want to make an omelet, you have to crack
Speaker 4: some eggs. And now it could be said many different ways,
Speaker 4: but the greatest, the greatest insults of history, the greatest
Speaker 4: outrages of history, have been justified with this mantra. President
Speaker 4: Roosevelt and his team justified withholding information from American commanders
Speaker 4: on Pearl Harbor so that they were literally surprised by
Speaker 4: the Japanese attack. And they justified that, and they justified
Speaker 4: keeping the information unknown to the American people because it
Speaker 4: was a mark of statesmanship. It was a means of
Speaker 4: bringing about a greater good, because it was necessary to
Speaker 4: convince the American people that we needed to get into
Speaker 4: World War two as quickly as possible so that we
Speaker 4: consider at the piece table afterwards and when we redivide
Speaker 4: the world, and we'll make it a better world. And
Speaker 4: we probably would save millions of American lives too, because
Speaker 4: the Japanese surely would have come over and bombed our
Speaker 4: cities and so forth. And you know, the average American said, oh,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, I guess, I guess the four thousand sailors
Speaker 4: we killed deliberately in Pearl Harbor was worth it, because
Speaker 4: it's the greater good of the greater number. You know, everything,
Speaker 4: everything that happens in this world that's horrible is justified
Speaker 4: by the perpetrators on the mantra of collectivism. Yes, and
Speaker 4: it's time to recognize that it's time to break that
Speaker 4: hypnosis that that idea has over us. I learned that
Speaker 4: in school. They taught me that the greater good for
Speaker 4: the greater number was the ideal political position, and most
Speaker 4: people still think it is.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh boy, we thought in space, did we Absolutely amazing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think you're spot on with that and so
Speaker 1: many other things. It's so interesting to talk to you
Speaker 1: had so many important insights throughout your life, and your
Speaker 1: work has been very valuable to so many people. And
Speaker 1: I haven't read The World Without Cancer, but that's my
Speaker 1: intention to read that. That's very very important, especially when
Speaker 1: we look at the last four years how the veil
Speaker 1: has been pulled back on what the pharmaceutical industry and
Speaker 1: what the government supposedly oversight people are doing for the
Speaker 1: greater good. You know what, people die miserably and it's like,
Speaker 1: well it's rare, it doesn't matter, right, it's for the
Speaker 1: better good, for the greater good, common good. So we're
Speaker 1: going to approve this the drug that is out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. And again this
Speaker 1: red Pill University dot org. But you have a Redexpo
Speaker 1: dot org? Is that the one where people go for
Speaker 1: the for the red Expo that's coming up. What is
Speaker 1: the the it can red.
Speaker 4: Pill you it's red Pill Expo dot.
Speaker 1: Org, red Pill xpo dot org. Okay, yeah, red.
Speaker 4: Pill Xpo dot org. You go there. You'll see who
Speaker 4: we have as the upcoming speakers. We still have three
Speaker 4: or four that we haven't put on the page yet.
Speaker 4: They're all dynamite. These people all have a red pill
Speaker 4: to share with you, and they're all really really important.
Speaker 4: And so it'd be two days. I mean to be
Speaker 4: prepared to be blown away by information like this. That's great,
Speaker 4: It'll change your life.
Speaker 1: That's great. Thank you so much for joining us, Jo Griffin.
Speaker 1: It's been a great pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, David. I really appreciate it. And
Speaker 4: it's good to see you again on the screen and
Speaker 4: we'll be talking later.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Well, what an inspiration. Jed Griffin
Speaker 1: is a real critical thinker, a visionary, a man with
Speaker 1: the courage to go wherever the truth leads him. And
Speaker 1: again Landmark Books, you want a fearful master creature from
Speaker 1: Jackal Island, a world without cancer, and of course the
Speaker 1: red Pill Expo that is coming up. Thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us. Have a good day.
Speaker 4: Name name.
Speaker 1: Joining us now is Katherine Austin Fitz. Always a pleasure
Speaker 1: to have our of course our website at slari dot com.
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to have her keen insights about everything,
Speaker 1: and of course coming up, we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: hijacking bitcoin and Roger Ver as well. Know people call
Speaker 1: him bitcoin Jesus and we look at the way that
Speaker 1: they have railroaded him, but he also wrote about hijacking
Speaker 1: bitcoin when I had Aaron dayon we we mentioned it
Speaker 1: a little bit, but Catherine has gone into a great,
Speaker 1: great depth with that. They did a review of the
Speaker 1: book and she's now published her interview with him that
Speaker 1: you can find on It's with Steve.
Speaker 3: Steve Patterson is the co author.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's right. Yeah, Ver's got a a bit
Speaker 1: of a problem now, I guess doing interviews with the
Speaker 1: government on his back and I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: in prison now or not, but yeah, the co author.
Speaker 3: So we did an interview with Steve and it's excellent.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you really want to understand what's going
Speaker 3: on in bitcoin, it's absolutely excellent. And we made it
Speaker 3: public because this was one that the subscribers wanted to
Speaker 3: send on to their network.
Speaker 1: Oh it's great, it's public, just.
Speaker 3: Kind of soilary, and you can get the book review.
Speaker 3: You can get a link to an article I wrote
Speaker 3: on why the bitcoin reserve fraud is a scam basically,
Speaker 3: and you can get the interview and send all of
Speaker 3: those along. So if you want to understand sort of
Speaker 3: the current baseball on Bigcoin, it's all there.
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: I want to get your take on what's going on
Speaker 1: with crypto and the new Trump administration where this is
Speaker 1: all headed, the tokenization, the securitization that is out there,
Speaker 1: and we want to talk about that. But when I
Speaker 1: got you on, I've just been talking about marriage and
Speaker 1: family and how that is all traveling here in America,
Speaker 1: and you said, I'd like to say something about what
Speaker 1: I've observed with men and women in various fields that
Speaker 1: you've worked in. Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: So I'm really glad you brought this up, because I
Speaker 3: think there is nothing more important that the way control
Speaker 3: is instituted is through divide and conqueror, and the most
Speaker 3: important divide and conquer is training men and women against
Speaker 3: each other. Yes, you know, and then it's turning the
Speaker 3: generations against each other. And if we can turn that around,
Speaker 3: you know, we dramatically exponentially increase our power. And I
Speaker 3: think that's part of what I was hearing you saying,
Speaker 3: is your understanding of that. But I wanted to tell
Speaker 3: you sort of my background. So many years ago when
Speaker 3: I was I went to my first few years of college,
Speaker 3: and then I studied Chinese in a Hong kongery year.
Speaker 3: And I came back and the transfer to to the
Speaker 3: University of Pennsylvania and got a job working first as
Speaker 3: a busboy, then as a waitress, and then I got
Speaker 3: promoted up to be a bartender. And it was in
Speaker 3: a French restaurant next to the University of Pennsylvania, and
Speaker 3: it was a two person bar, and my tips and
Speaker 3: grows were so much bigger than everybody else's that the
Speaker 3: owner of the it was a very meritocraty I was
Speaker 3: the only woman. He decided to make me bar manager
Speaker 3: because I I whatever I was doing it made a
Speaker 3: lot more money for the house anyway. So the bartenders
Speaker 3: went on strike because they didn't want to work for
Speaker 3: a woman, and so they went to the owner, who
Speaker 3: was a very He was a very interesting guy. And
Speaker 3: they said, we're going to strike, and he said, it's
Speaker 3: not my problem. She's the bar manager. Go tell her
Speaker 3: it's her problem. So they came to see me and
Speaker 3: they said, I said, why are you going to strike?
Speaker 3: And they said, we don't want to work for you
Speaker 3: because we think you're going to feminize the bar. And
Speaker 3: I said, well I am, but you're going to make
Speaker 3: a lot more money, so you know. So anyway, long
Speaker 3: and short of it, everybody stayed except for the for
Speaker 3: the strike leader. And so for the next two months,
Speaker 3: I made the changes that I wanted to make. But
Speaker 3: one of my rules was there had to be a
Speaker 3: man and a woman. You needed it. It was a
Speaker 3: two person bar, and you had to have a man
Speaker 3: and a woman. Anyway, but sometimes we you know, we
Speaker 3: couldn't get a man, we couldn't get a woman. It
Speaker 3: was so sometimes we'd end up with two women. Sometimes
Speaker 3: we'd end up with two men. But I got very
Speaker 3: detailed records of how the bar performed and how the
Speaker 3: fits performed. So here's what we learned. After about six months,
Speaker 3: if I had two women, if I had two men
Speaker 3: on the bar, the house made X and the bartenders
Speaker 3: made ten percent of that, so point one x. Okay.
Speaker 3: If I had two women, the house made one point
Speaker 3: five x and the bartenders made point one five x
Speaker 3: fifty percent better two women than two men. If I
Speaker 3: had a man and a woman, the house made two
Speaker 3: x and the bartenders made point two X. So literally,
Speaker 3: if if you were a man and I put you
Speaker 3: on with another man, you made half as much that
Speaker 3: evening as if I put you on with another woman.
Speaker 3: I mean literally, And it was very interesting. Two months later,
Speaker 3: I was down in the wine cellar doing the wine
Speaker 3: order and the the former deputy strike leader, came down
Speaker 3: screaming at me. It was a Thursday night, which is
Speaker 3: our biggest night. How dare you put me on with
Speaker 3: another man? You're going to cut my tips in half?
Speaker 3: And I looked at him and I said, I couldn't
Speaker 3: get another one. I just couldn't get another woman. But
Speaker 3: do you see the irony in this?
Speaker 1: Well? What did your take on? What do you think
Speaker 1: was behind that? Why did that work?
Speaker 3: Well? Let me keep going. Yeah, So many years later,
Speaker 3: when I started Hamilton Securities, it was an investment bank
Speaker 3: in Washington, and one of the things we did we
Speaker 3: thought with new technology, we could radically reduce the number
Speaker 3: of people that it took to bank and market a deal,
Speaker 3: and we literally had we had two people running each deal.
Speaker 3: One was sort of so go back to the James
Speaker 3: Bond movies. One was the James Bond person who was
Speaker 3: going to do the deal. The other was the Q
Speaker 3: person who was going to build and capture all the tools. Right,
Speaker 3: you needed a tool and software, an intellectual capital engineer,
Speaker 3: and then you needed a deal door. So we always
Speaker 3: had two people who were kind of running the deal.
Speaker 3: So I kept the same records on and we had
Speaker 3: a rule that unless we could make ten times for
Speaker 3: the client what we could make for ourselves. You know,
Speaker 3: we didn't want to do the deal, so we felt
Speaker 3: we needed to get at least a multiple of ten anyway,
Speaker 3: so we tracked what the client made and we track
Speaker 3: what we would make. Well, it turned out to be
Speaker 3: almost the same as the bar business, with a twist.
Speaker 3: You just had to so if I had two women
Speaker 3: on the deal, the client would make ten X and
Speaker 3: we'd make X. If I had two men, the client
Speaker 3: would make fifteen X and we'd make one point five X.
Speaker 3: So it was the opposite of the bar business. Men
Speaker 3: were better at transactions than client customer service, you know,
Speaker 3: in the in the bar, so when it came to
Speaker 3: relationship could appear that women were better. When it came
Speaker 3: to deals, men were better. But if I had a
Speaker 3: man and a woman, then the client made twenty x,
Speaker 3: then we made two xs. So it was the same thing.
Speaker 3: Now here was the interesting thing. Both initially at the
Speaker 3: bar and certainly at the investment bank. The men always
Speaker 3: wanted to work with other men and the women wanted
Speaker 3: to work with other women. So I had to be
Speaker 3: a dictator. It's like, no, you're going to go get
Speaker 3: a man or you'll be fired. That's how it is,
Speaker 3: you know. But here's what I saw, And it wasn't
Speaker 3: sexual so much as energetic. There is something, you know,
Speaker 3: men and women are very different. And I don't know
Speaker 3: if you remember that Mel Gibson movie where he says, yeah,
Speaker 3: women have five percent more water. But you know, whatever
Speaker 3: the difference is. If you're going to deal in a
Speaker 3: human situation and in you know, a big business situation
Speaker 3: was not going on. You know, the men and a
Speaker 3: man and a woman team are going to know more,
Speaker 3: see more, understand more. They're going to see things that
Speaker 3: a woman. You know, the man's going to see things
Speaker 3: a woman won't see the woman's going to see things.
Speaker 3: And what you realize in a family, you know, after
Speaker 3: going through those two experiences, I realized, you know, if
Speaker 3: trying to have a family with two men or a
Speaker 3: family with two women, it's just not the same. There
Speaker 3: is a there is a wholeness in terms of seeing
Speaker 3: the world, understanding the world, managing risk, understanding. You know,
Speaker 3: a lot of times in my experience as an investment advisor,
Speaker 3: the women understood the living equity issues and the men
Speaker 3: understood the financial equity issues, and you needed both, you know,
Speaker 3: to integrate and do both. They would. And the other
Speaker 3: thing I discovered I saw it was financial fraud because
Speaker 3: I had so many, so many jobs sort of cleaning
Speaker 3: couples up who'd been hurt by financial fraud or health
Speaker 3: care fraud. What I discovered is I can trick a man,
Speaker 3: or I can trick a woman, but it is almost
Speaker 3: impossible to trick a man and woman working together. But
Speaker 3: now I used to have so many women who would
Speaker 3: tell me, look, my husband does the finances. I don't
Speaker 3: want to be involved, I don't like it. And I
Speaker 3: would say no, you have to be involved. You have
Speaker 3: to be involved because the family has to integrate the
Speaker 3: financial equity issues with the living equity issues. But the
Speaker 3: other thing is he's going to get tricks. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: he's going to get tricked and it's going to be
Speaker 3: your fault. So you get involved because you know you
Speaker 3: need both.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: I you know, at the end of the day, I
Speaker 3: can't explain it. What I will tell you is there's
Speaker 3: a magic. Yeah, there's a magic to it that is
Speaker 3: really divine.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly. It's it's a lot of people call
Speaker 1: it complimentarianism, right, the fact that men and women compliment
Speaker 1: each other and they're in complimentary roles, and we complete
Speaker 1: each other, and we have different perspectives and we perceive
Speaker 1: things very differently, which is what you saw with all
Speaker 1: of that, right.
Speaker 3: But it is real easy to you know, to back
Speaker 3: up and say, oh, it's too much work to work
Speaker 3: with a guy. I'm just going to get into the
Speaker 3: room and it'll be so easy, and you know, there'll
Speaker 3: be a lot les controversy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really fascinating insight. That's amazing. Let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit. Whereould you like to go next? I mean,
Speaker 1: I would like to talk about the bitcoin stuff. Is
Speaker 1: there anything?
Speaker 3: I said, let's talk about the bitcoin stuff, because I've
Speaker 3: you know, I've had an interesting history. I worked very hard.
Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, I did a very serious due diligence
Speaker 3: as an investment advisor. My clients kept asking you about bitcoin,
Speaker 3: and I said, okay, And I called up a very
Speaker 3: dear friend of mine who has a PhD from MIT
Speaker 3: and used to run research at one of the big
Speaker 3: Silicon Valley companies, and he's the smartest guy I know,
Speaker 3: and I said, I need your help. You know, we
Speaker 3: need to I need to do a serious due diligence
Speaker 3: on this, and I need somebody with a strong technology background.
Speaker 3: So we spent like one hundred hours working on this.
Speaker 3: He did one hundred egg because we did a lot
Speaker 3: of research separate, and then we come together and finally
Speaker 3: I really felt like I understood. But I took all
Speaker 3: my final questions and I flew to Baltimore and had
Speaker 3: a three hour line with Bill Binnie. I just grilled
Speaker 3: him on all my questions, and I came away feeling
Speaker 3: I had a very good understanding of bitcoin and anyway.
Speaker 3: But since then, every time I talk to somebody who's
Speaker 3: a bitcoin enthusiast, they say, you don't understand bitcoin, and
Speaker 3: I say, well, what aspect is that you think I
Speaker 3: don't understand? Is that I don't understand the exchanges and
Speaker 3: how they work. I don't understand the custodian issues. I
Speaker 3: don't understand the technology. I don't understand you know, how
Speaker 3: the market works. I don't understand the regular What specifically
Speaker 3: is it you think I don't understand? And what I
Speaker 3: discover is I don't understand the religious faith that comes
Speaker 3: with me.
Speaker 1: You're denyer.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's like a religion, and I don't get
Speaker 3: the religion, And you're right, I don't get the religion anyway.
Speaker 3: So this is going on for years with people telling
Speaker 3: me I don't get bitcoin, but they won't be specific
Speaker 3: about what that means or what I might read study
Speaker 3: that would educate me some more anyway. But one of
Speaker 3: our subscribers posted on Solaria a couple of months ago,
Speaker 3: you've got to read this new book, Hi, Checking Bitcoin
Speaker 3: by Roger Vere and Steve Patterson, and so our subscribers
Speaker 3: usually have very good intelligence and very good recommendation, so
Speaker 3: I immediately got the book. Read it, you know, and
Speaker 3: I cannot say enough good things about this book. It
Speaker 3: is so beautifully written, It is so clear and coherent.
Speaker 3: It's very rare to read a book I found on
Speaker 3: bitcoin and crypto that's really coherent and accessible to a
Speaker 3: financial professional who's not a technologist anyway.
Speaker 1: So I interchecked here and say, you know, it's interesting
Speaker 1: because you're talking about Roger Vere and they call him
Speaker 1: Bitcoin Jesus because he was an evangelist for it. I
Speaker 1: mean we're talking about the religious aspect of it and everything.
Speaker 1: So you know, where is he now? Has he lost
Speaker 1: his faith or has it been strengthened and all of
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 3: So here's and I have to tell you, I'm very
Speaker 3: impressed with Roy Journey's work and Steve and his work.
Speaker 3: And you know, bigcoin started at as a design that
Speaker 3: when it began, it was really a pilot program for
Speaker 3: a payment system, a global payment system that that had potential.
Speaker 3: It had potential to turn into something pretty wonderful, but
Speaker 3: it didn't. It got it literally got hijacked. If you
Speaker 3: look at the who controls bitcoin, it's a very small
Speaker 3: group of people, and they were able to limit its
Speaker 3: liquidity in a way that made it very useful for
Speaker 3: pumping and dumping, but not you know, it's very useful
Speaker 3: for speculation, but it's not useful as a payment system. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's too It's very very liquid, and
Speaker 3: of course, if you will, it's still an immature industry.
Speaker 3: So if you look at the custodial issues and the
Speaker 3: fraud issues, you know it's a very unregulated sort of
Speaker 3: wildness market. The FBI says five point six billion reported
Speaker 3: losses and crypto reported to them in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: I had a lustner on the just interjectingly, I had
Speaker 1: a listener who said, yeah, it reminds me very much
Speaker 1: of the NFT stuff, right, you know when they were
Speaker 1: selling n fts, and you know that was and that's
Speaker 1: kind of what I think they did with bitcoin in
Speaker 1: a sense. You know, they took something that was designed
Speaker 1: to be a currency and they started turning it into
Speaker 1: centrally an NFT.
Speaker 3: Well, they've been playing a pump and dump game with it,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of serious talent and money behind
Speaker 3: that pump and dump. And anyway, so I read Hijacking Bitcoin,
Speaker 3: and I wrote a review of it. If you just
Speaker 3: go to Silaria, you can get that. And I just
Speaker 3: did an interview which we published yesterday with Steve Patterson,
Speaker 3: which really helps you understand sort of the evolution. Now,
Speaker 3: what happened to Roger? He saw the potential. And one
Speaker 3: of the delightful things about this book is it took
Speaker 3: me back to when I was at Hamilton Securities and
Speaker 3: I realized the potential for digital money and creating our
Speaker 3: own currencies. I got really excited and we invented a
Speaker 3: product called Just in Time Money, and I remember those
Speaker 3: days when we just thought, uh, And I tell the
Speaker 3: story in the book review. Eric Hughes had been the
Speaker 3: was the software developer hacked clipper chip, which was Al
Speaker 3: Gore's you know, thing to control the Internet and anyway,
Speaker 3: so Eric came to Hamilton, and Eric and I spent
Speaker 3: a whole day with the literally the whole firm working
Speaker 3: on inventing Just in Time Money. And it was so
Speaker 3: heady because we saw the potential for what decentralized you know,
Speaker 3: crypto or something like a cryptocurrency could be. Anyway, and
Speaker 3: when you read Roger and Steve's book, you get back
Speaker 3: that enthusiasm of what is pot you know, theoretically possible.
Speaker 3: It's easy. After you've watched the pumping and dumping, the
Speaker 3: and the tremendous crime around these things that are going on,
Speaker 3: and all the wise and disinformation, it's easy to get jaundice.
Speaker 3: And I love the fact that sort of Roger and
Speaker 3: Steve got me back in that mood of you know,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, there's a new world possible. There
Speaker 3: really is anyway. So what happened was this book makes
Speaker 3: very clear something else, and it's it's very highly documented,
Speaker 3: very heavily footnote. It's a very serious treatment there. I
Speaker 3: am absolutely sure that there is significant counterfeiting of bitcoin.
Speaker 3: You know, part of the power bitcoin was supposed to be.
Speaker 3: You could only create twenty one million, But now what
Speaker 3: Roger documents. Roger and Steve document the creation. It's called
Speaker 3: an inflation bug. And now the reports not just of
Speaker 3: the one they reported, but of inflation bugs sense. I'm
Speaker 3: absolutely convinced with the inflation bugs, they can counterfeit. But
Speaker 3: now that they're doing the ETFs with blackrock, you know,
Speaker 3: I did a deep dive on precious metal etf Let
Speaker 3: me tell you the counterfeiting was real. Oh yeah, collateral
Speaker 3: you know, collateral fraud. The financial system we have does
Speaker 3: collabteral fraud every time they have a chance. You know,
Speaker 3: it's it's kind of like, you know, like not asking
Speaker 3: a dog to go eat meat. They just anyway they've
Speaker 3: ever got.
Speaker 1: Their company called it securitized because they were securitizing things
Speaker 1: and creating derivatives. And of course you talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: derivatives of gold and silver, things like paper gold and
Speaker 1: paper silver, which I didn't really understand naively. Everybody thinks, well,
Speaker 1: they've got some gold and they're now going to sell
Speaker 1: to you the tenth of the price or whatever. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that that was a derivative. Film you started
Speaker 1: seeing changes in the price of gold, and you could
Speaker 1: see that it didn't track the spot price of gold.
Speaker 1: It was completely divorced from it. And so that was
Speaker 1: a key tip. And then all our research is like, oh,
Speaker 1: now I get it. You know, yes, it's derivative.
Speaker 3: Here we go. So right after so this book makes
Speaker 3: very clear that the official story on bitcoin is not true.
Speaker 3: You know, what you've got is you've got a pump
Speaker 3: and dump tool. It has no fundamental utilitarian purpose other
Speaker 3: than it's a pump and dump tool. And of course
Speaker 3: with a pump and dump tool. If you have enough
Speaker 3: backing for it, you can make a fortune, you know,
Speaker 3: and people have been so. But also that it's not
Speaker 3: limited to twenty one million bitcoin. Now they don't come
Speaker 3: out and say that in document, but based on what
Speaker 3: they what I've read about inflation bugs in their book
Speaker 3: and since, and what I know about ETF's, the counterfeiting
Speaker 3: is on. So so bitcoin is basically a speculation, and
Speaker 3: it's rooted in nothing other than the belief that you
Speaker 3: can get you know, ten more people to come in
Speaker 3: tomorrow and buy in it. It's basically a tool of ballmania,
Speaker 3: you know. And it would have some value if it
Speaker 3: was a successful little bit payment system, but it's never
Speaker 3: become that. It's and it's highly unlike then it's going
Speaker 3: to become that. So so this thing is only as
Speaker 3: good as sort of the scam. Now, let's go back
Speaker 3: if you look at what's going on in the economy, David,
Speaker 3: here's what's going on in the economy. We did a
Speaker 3: tremendous amount of work this year on plunder capitalism and
Speaker 3: land grabs and the techniques used to do land grabs.
Speaker 3: Now we've spent decades now creating more and more debt,
Speaker 3: more and more debt, more and more debt, more and
Speaker 3: more paper. The game of musical chairs is over. The
Speaker 3: music is stopped, and now everybody's racing to grab the
Speaker 3: real assets. Okay, and that's now if you want the
Speaker 3: real assets, who's got the real assets. Howard Lutkin just
Speaker 3: gave an interview, you know, is the nominee for Secretary
Speaker 3: of Commerce and have been in competition for Secretary of Treasury,
Speaker 3: where he said, don't worry about the debt. You know,
Speaker 3: the debt's thirty six trullion in the US balance sheet
Speaker 3: has a five hundred tillion dollars of landed mineral resources.
Speaker 3: And that's true. Okay. Yeah, And in fact, Trump, in
Speaker 3: the last Trump administration, the US Geological Survey started doing
Speaker 3: a survey of all the land and mineral resources of
Speaker 3: North America, including what the government owns. So and if
Speaker 3: you look at the state governments, I mean, the federal
Speaker 3: government owns a lot and the state's own a law too.
Speaker 3: So the you know, so, if you're sitting here and
Speaker 3: you've run up the bitcoin market, you have a small
Speaker 3: number of people have a tremendous amount of bitcoin. They
Speaker 3: can't possibly get out at the current situation. You know
Speaker 3: they can get their money out without crashing the market.
Speaker 3: Right now, what do they want? They want real assets.
Speaker 3: So what you want to do is you want to
Speaker 3: swap your bigcoin the land for real estate, for precious metals,
Speaker 3: for real businesses. You want real assets. So how do
Speaker 3: you get out of your bitcoin and get into the
Speaker 3: real assets. Well, it's real simple. You get the government
Speaker 3: to buy your bigcoin and you get the government to
Speaker 3: sell its land. Right, pretty simple. So you want them
Speaker 3: to to get They have the real and you have
Speaker 3: the unreal. So you flip them the unreal and you
Speaker 3: get the real. So what's being proposed. What's being proposed
Speaker 3: is the government announced long term buying programs to buy bitcoin.
Speaker 3: So the federal government by bitcoin, the States by bitcoin.
Speaker 3: If you announce a long term buying program and a
Speaker 3: highly liquid market, you're going to send the price to
Speaker 3: the moon. And all the guys who started and built
Speaker 3: this speculation can sell into that. Okay. And not only
Speaker 3: can they sell their twenty one million bitcoin, they can
Speaker 3: sell more than their one million bitcoin. Right, I think
Speaker 3: there's counterfeit, Okay.
Speaker 1: You gotta be careful that you're not their exit strategy, right,
Speaker 1: get into this.
Speaker 3: Well, but and where's the government going to get that money?
Speaker 3: All the people who don't want to go into the
Speaker 3: marketplace and buy want to buy bitcoin. The government is
Speaker 3: going to sell bonds to their retirement funds. The money
Speaker 3: is going to come out of their retirement funds and
Speaker 3: go into bitcoin. You know, hell in the treasury, the
Speaker 3: state or federal government treasury. So you're going to you're
Speaker 3: gonna take from the peor and give to the rich,
Speaker 3: or you're going to take from the middle class and
Speaker 3: give to the rich. Yeh, it's you know it's And now,
Speaker 3: if the oil industry said we want the government to
Speaker 3: start long term buying of our oil, or the agriculture
Speaker 3: industries that we want long term buying of our agriculture,
Speaker 3: or the pharmaceuticals said we want the government long term
Speaker 3: buying of our pharmaceuticals, we would all know what that's about, right.
Speaker 3: But for some reason, when the bitcoin enthusiasts say, the
Speaker 3: vast majority of people don't want to buy our bitcoin,
Speaker 3: so we want to have government mandate to make them
Speaker 3: buy our bitcoin with their retirement savings, that's about as
Speaker 3: ugly as it gets. And it's very ugly because if
Speaker 3: you look at how much money those guys poured into donations,
Speaker 3: you're basically saying, we can bribe the politicians and get
Speaker 3: them to use your retirement savings to buy bitcoin, because
Speaker 3: you won't you won't buy it, so we're going to
Speaker 3: make you buy.
Speaker 1: It's hl Mincoln said, an election as an advanced auction
Speaker 1: is stolen goods. I quote that all the time, and
Speaker 1: that is really what we're looking at here, isn't it.
Speaker 3: So But let's look at a chart if you want to.
Speaker 3: I want you to go back to the going direct reset,
Speaker 3: which was voted, you know, which was reviewed by the
Speaker 3: central bankers in August of twenty nineteen. If we do
Speaker 3: a chart off the US stock market, what we see
Speaker 3: is the US stock market is up, you know, over
Speaker 3: one hundred percent since that date, and the Treasury, if
Speaker 3: we take the twenty year Treasury ETF, it's down by
Speaker 3: thirty five percent. So what's the game. The game is
Speaker 3: the government treasury sells treasury bonds to our retirement funds
Speaker 3: and our iras and four one k's and retirement funds
Speaker 3: around the world, and then it takes that money and
Speaker 3: it spends that money it gives that money to Elon
Speaker 3: Musk to do SpaceX, or it gives that money, you know,
Speaker 3: the Chinese are subsidizing Tesla, or it gives that money
Speaker 3: to know to invest in tremendous amounts of AI or
Speaker 3: the chip acts tremendous money to drive you know, Taiwan
Speaker 3: Semi Can. So all the guys who are who are
Speaker 3: getting that money out of our retirement fund are getting
Speaker 3: huge up in their companies while we're we're going down
Speaker 3: thirty five percent financing the game. Now, if you think
Speaker 3: it's bad in the stock market, because all that stuff,
Speaker 3: for the most part, is real. You may disagree with
Speaker 3: how it's priced or how it's organized, but it's real railroads,
Speaker 3: you know, real satellites flying around, real chips being put
Speaker 3: into computers, you know, and so so you know, you're
Speaker 3: still financing something that has to do with the integration
Speaker 3: of technology and productive activities. If you take this and
Speaker 3: buy those guys out of their scam, and they're free
Speaker 3: to turn around and buy the land and other real estate.
Speaker 3: So if you look at some of the trial balloons,
Speaker 3: RFK at Bitcoin twenty twenty four proposed that the sales
Speaker 3: of bitcoin should be tax free and secret. So the
Speaker 3: Treasury is buying it, but they're not saying who they're
Speaker 3: buying it from. Wow, right, it's secret, and they the
Speaker 3: people who are selling it, don't have to pay taxes
Speaker 3: if they roll it into real estate.
Speaker 1: How do you justify making it secret? Why did he
Speaker 1: say to justify that? I've not seen that before.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I finally, I finally wrote a commentary up
Speaker 3: and I said, this is so outrageous. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to even send it to him. I'm just going to
Speaker 3: write it and publish it. But I sent it to
Speaker 3: him and advisors and said, you know what, how do
Speaker 3: you just this is a take from the porn give
Speaker 3: to the rich scheme, the worst take from the porn
Speaker 3: give to the rich scheme I've ever seen. And what
Speaker 3: are you leaving the governments with? Instead of having five
Speaker 3: hundred trillion, you know of land and mineral resources, they
Speaker 3: end up with a bunch of bitcoin. What are they
Speaker 3: going to do with that?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: It's worthless, It's going to be worthless.
Speaker 1: Well. Yeah. One of the things that bothers me about
Speaker 1: all this stuff too, of course, is tokenization. And you know,
Speaker 1: you're talking about the bitcoin swap out for real assets
Speaker 1: and land and things like that. Uh. And and I
Speaker 1: call Howard Lutnik, I call him Lucky Lutnick. And you
Speaker 1: got real Lucky on nine to eleven. You know. But
Speaker 1: uh uh, you know he's he's all about tokenization. He's
Speaker 1: like the tokenization King. And I'm very concerned about you know,
Speaker 1: it's great if you if you get I think the
Speaker 1: government under Biden was coming directly at him, going to
Speaker 1: just prohibit it in their face. I'm concerned about what
Speaker 1: is happening with the Trump administration. As you're pointing out.
Speaker 1: You know, this one aspect of it here which is
Speaker 1: very key, which is a switching out of of assets.
Speaker 1: But it's also the privacy. And I know you're about
Speaker 1: financial privacy and the importance of cash and things like that.
Speaker 1: All this fascination with blockchain exposes all of that, and
Speaker 1: so that's another aspect.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's up a two tier system where everything
Speaker 3: we do is public and everything you know, there's a
Speaker 3: second system that's totally private.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, right, increasingly that way with government all the time.
Speaker 1: And they've just as part of this continuing resolution thing,
Speaker 1: as the listener pointed out, they've got a clause in
Speaker 1: there to hide data that is being passed around within
Speaker 1: various committees and things like that within the House. So
Speaker 1: again they're always trying to hide what they do and
Speaker 1: have more information about what you're doing.
Speaker 3: Well, let's look, let's look at a couple of key
Speaker 3: strategic points. So the first thing they need if they're
Speaker 3: going to get financial control is they need a digital ID.
Speaker 3: And Trump has been promoting a digital ID, and the
Speaker 3: Conservatives and Trump together, you know, they use immigration and
Speaker 3: election fraud as an excuse for digital We do not
Speaker 3: need a digital ID system. We had honest elections and
Speaker 3: we had type borders before digital technology existed. So I
Speaker 3: don't want to hear you know, that's a bunch of huey,
Speaker 3: so you know, but they're using that as an excuse.
Speaker 3: And I just saw one of the business newsletters I
Speaker 3: get said that Congress will start off by doing addressing
Speaker 3: election fraud and immigration right off the bat. And my
Speaker 3: fear is that's an excuse to do a digital ID.
Speaker 3: Now you have the States pushing the real ID. They've
Speaker 3: been trying to push the real ID ever since since
Speaker 3: nine to eleven, but it's been going slow at the States,
Speaker 3: and we need to do everything we can. You know,
Speaker 3: if I was a state legislator, I just get the
Speaker 3: real ID thrown out of the DMV and we need
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 1: And the essay is going to be pretty much demanding that.
Speaker 1: They said this next year. We'll see what happens with that.
Speaker 3: If you have a passport, they can't demand a real
Speaker 3: ID you have a passport.
Speaker 1: But they're also setting up there biometric thing. And that's
Speaker 1: one of the things when Trump is talking about digital ID. Yeah,
Speaker 1: air Land and see it is going to be biometric.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very very concerning. We saw DeSantis in
Speaker 1: Florida and the rest of them saying we got to
Speaker 1: have mandatory everify because of immigration and they'll taking people's jobs.
Speaker 3: It's not true. Yeah, you know, it's absolutely not true.
Speaker 3: So the first thing is you got to stop a
Speaker 3: digital idea. The second thing you got to stop is
Speaker 3: an all digital monetary system. Because if you have a
Speaker 3: digital idea in an all digital monetary system, then we're saying, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, then we can control where you go, what
Speaker 3: you buy, and we know everything there is to know
Speaker 3: about you. It's a complete surveillance system. And if you
Speaker 3: don't behave. We can turn off your money, or we
Speaker 3: can limit your money in a whole variety of ways,
Speaker 3: and we can institute taxation without representation. Then the third
Speaker 3: thing we need to stop is what we want is
Speaker 3: we want the people's representatives to control and operate fiscal policy.
Speaker 3: We don't want the central bankers controlling fiscal policy in
Speaker 3: addition to monetary policy. The rise of the deep state
Speaker 3: correlates almost perfectly with the rise of private corporations and
Speaker 3: banks doing government operations. Okay, the idea that somehow DOSEE
Speaker 3: is going to go in there, acquire all the civil
Speaker 3: servants and put in big tech contractors and things are
Speaker 3: going to get better, Nope, it's the opposite. If you've
Speaker 3: if you finished getting rid of the civil service, you
Speaker 3: will end up with the central banks and intelligence agencies
Speaker 3: controlling and running everything, because that's who the corporations and
Speaker 3: the defense contractors and the big tech companies are going
Speaker 3: to report to. They're not going to report to Congress.
Speaker 3: You know, Congress is you know that it's that's the
Speaker 3: game over. So those are the.
Speaker 1: Three really good point. That's a really good point about
Speaker 1: dose Yeah, that's very important, right.
Speaker 3: So those are the three things. You want to preserve
Speaker 3: the legislature's controlling fiscal policy. You want to stop an
Speaker 3: all digital monetary system, and you don't want to let
Speaker 3: a DIGITALI the take effect, because if you get those
Speaker 3: three things boom boom, boom boom, then we're talking about
Speaker 3: living in a digital concentration camp in a slavery system.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely right, that's simple. And when they came
Speaker 1: out and said, you know, before the election, a few
Speaker 1: months before the election, we're not going to do CBDC
Speaker 1: the Five Eyes States country.
Speaker 3: You can do you can do it with credit cards
Speaker 3: and crypto.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can do it with these pieces and a
Speaker 1: lot of that is already in place with Master Corps.
Speaker 3: Right. You want to stop is an all digital monetary system? Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: an all digital monetary system. And it's not you know,
Speaker 3: it's not forget CBDC versus forget all these different products
Speaker 3: in the digital realm, you know, all of which could
Speaker 3: be wonderful or terrible depending on how you do them.
Speaker 3: So technology in a way is agnostic. It's how we
Speaker 3: use it. So so all these things could be wonderful,
Speaker 3: if they could be terrible. What we cannot afford is
Speaker 3: an all digital system because it will be controlled by
Speaker 3: the people who control the hardware.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, you know, and you know, I'm seeing
Speaker 1: a lot of states got on boarding. A couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. They were talking about it very heavily CBDC
Speaker 1: and and so you've got a lot of different states
Speaker 1: that are putting out stuff still to say we're not
Speaker 1: going to have CBDC. They just rename it and it
Speaker 1: morphs into something completely. You know, they just spend it
Speaker 1: a little bit and you still get but the essence
Speaker 1: that you're talking about there, there's a digital ID and
Speaker 1: the fact that we have digital cash. That's what they
Speaker 1: need to be focused on. The CBDC. They realize because
Speaker 1: they watch conversations on social media. They realize that we're
Speaker 1: onto that game. So they spend that game in a
Speaker 1: different way and come around at a different angle.
Speaker 3: So I want everybody to go to Solary and we
Speaker 3: have a big new memo that we published. It's up
Speaker 3: on PDF. You can download it, you can forward it,
Speaker 3: you can link to it. It's called what the States
Speaker 3: can do Building a legal and financial infrastructure for financial Freedom,
Speaker 3: And it goes through is a very serious look at
Speaker 3: all the different areas that a governor or state legislature
Speaker 3: can implement to protect financial freedom within their jurisdiction, so
Speaker 3: that no matter what the guys in Basel, Switzerland, or
Speaker 3: what the guys in Washington or Wall Street do, you
Speaker 3: can have financial freedom within your state. And the beauty
Speaker 3: of the states, as you know, is they under the constitution,
Speaker 3: the powers not delegated the federal government are reserved in states.
Speaker 3: The states have the power to protect our financial freedom
Speaker 3: in a way that protects our governmental and individual sovereignty.
Speaker 3: And that was we've the Selary team has been working
Speaker 3: night and day for two years to figure out, working
Speaker 3: with different legislators and state leaders, how to do this,
Speaker 3: and that information is up. I encourage you to download,
Speaker 3: read it, send it to all the legislators. There's so
Speaker 3: many great things that can be done. And for everything
Speaker 3: we cover, David, we give you links and citations to
Speaker 3: the states that have either done it or proposed it,
Speaker 3: so you can find your counterparties around the country who
Speaker 3: are working on this. Because there's a lot of good
Speaker 3: coordination between the treasurers, the ags and the different state legislators.
Speaker 3: You know, we're out well, you know, it's almost like
Speaker 3: by twenty twenty two, we figured, okay, we got to
Speaker 3: do this. You know, we're on our own.
Speaker 1: We got to do this, that's right. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: that is important and that's a big I mean, there's
Speaker 1: things that we can do as individuals, and I'll ask
Speaker 1: you about that a second, but it's very important that
Speaker 1: we fight them at that level as well. Do you
Speaker 1: have information sides of people who are on that board,
Speaker 1: you know, information on state by state level as to
Speaker 1: people who are open to this type of thing as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so get in the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We found that a fair amount of our subscribers were
Speaker 3: reticent to contact or communicate. They didn't know their state senator,
Speaker 3: they didn't know their state representative. We kept saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 3: those are the most important elections is here, so get involved.
Speaker 3: But right beneath what the states can do the PDF,
Speaker 3: we have another PDF called working with Your State Legislators.
Speaker 3: That's a guide to if you feel, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know what to do, I don't know how to
Speaker 3: get to know them, I don't know. You know, that's
Speaker 3: the guide for you to get to know. Help you
Speaker 3: get to know your state legislators and know sort of
Speaker 3: how to get into the process and how to get
Speaker 3: yourself acclimated. So that's there is a resource too. I
Speaker 3: also want to mention we've announced we're going to take
Speaker 3: one of the briefings I do and ask Catherine and
Speaker 3: the Silary team and do a briefing in the second
Speaker 3: Thursday of every month. We're reserving that time to brief
Speaker 3: state legislators. And the first briefing is on January ninth,
Speaker 3: on Thursday. It's for state legislators, state officials and their staff,
Speaker 3: and state bankers if they want to invite the state
Speaker 3: bankers with them, and of course the subscriber who ranges
Speaker 3: it is invited as well. And that's the first one
Speaker 3: in January ninth is going to be on the bitcoin
Speaker 3: reserve scam. And we have a lot of state legislators
Speaker 3: who who are receiving they're getting ASTRA to our females,
Speaker 3: and so they need to understand what is this, how
Speaker 3: does it work? Is it a good idea? Is it
Speaker 3: not a good idea? If it's not a good idea,
Speaker 3: why and how do I explain it to my constituents
Speaker 3: and think it is a good idea?
Speaker 1: And that's because you know, January ninth are going to
Speaker 1: do that January twenty first one, Trump begin says first date,
Speaker 1: We're going to do a bitcoin reserve very first day,
Speaker 1: so it's important for people to understand what that is
Speaker 1: before that.
Speaker 3: So he doesn't have the legal authority to do a
Speaker 3: bitcoin reserve. What he can do is the Marshal's Department
Speaker 3: of Justice has seized two hundred thousand bitcoins or two
Speaker 3: hundred and ten thousand bitcoins, and I'm assuming they're holding
Speaker 3: those in the Asset Forfeitsure Fund. He in theory could
Speaker 3: say I'm moving them to treasury. I'm not sure how
Speaker 3: he does that without an appropriation, but he certainly has
Speaker 3: those two hundred and ten thousand and he could say
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sell them. Yeah, and that's a
Speaker 3: bitcoin reserve. And he said at Bitcoin twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: that he would do that, and I think he has
Speaker 3: the power to do that if you look at the
Speaker 3: idea of moving it to treasury and moving in accounts
Speaker 3: without Congress's approval. I mean, if I was Congress, I
Speaker 3: would nail him on that. Number one. But number two,
Speaker 3: the idea Kennedy proposed by executive order that he would
Speaker 3: he would free them from the capital gains tax, which
Speaker 3: you know that is unconstitutional for a president by executive
Speaker 3: order to make a radical change in American tax law
Speaker 3: without congress. Oh yeah, without a comment period from the public.
Speaker 3: I mean that's you know, hello.
Speaker 1: Stalin, I know, well, I mean, look, just because it's
Speaker 1: not legal or constitutional doesn't stop these guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: look what Trump did with where we can take the
Speaker 1: gun into the due process later, I can do gun
Speaker 1: control by executive order, and they established that as a precedent,
Speaker 1: you know, immediately to.
Speaker 3: Be you know, and this is what happens when you
Speaker 3: get these kind of financial pumps. Because I've lived through
Speaker 3: so many pump and dumps, it's unbelievable. And of course
Speaker 3: when you're in the pump, everybody thinks to the master
Speaker 3: of the universe and a genius and then the bump
Speaker 3: over and you know, but in the pump, you know,
Speaker 3: there's no everybody feels so great, and there's so much
Speaker 3: in trainment and subliminal programming. It's a religion, yes, and
Speaker 3: you know you've seen it before. And suddenly, oh, the
Speaker 3: constitution that's not important. Laws that are not important. Financial practices,
Speaker 3: you know, good financial practices and rules. No, we don't
Speaker 3: have to do that. It's young, it's innovative, it's creative,
Speaker 3: it's the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, you know, as long as they're saying
Speaker 1: all that about the tokenization stuff, Oh, this is going
Speaker 1: to be so wonderful, you know, we're.
Speaker 3: Going to well, here's what the tokenization need. The tokenization stuff.
Speaker 3: The WEF says, it's twenty thirty and you have no assets.
Speaker 3: If you create a token for everything and then start
Speaker 3: to trade it, it's a great way to take everybody's assets,
Speaker 3: that's right. I mean, it's just a taking system.
Speaker 1: Well, you just look at what they did with the securitization,
Speaker 1: which is essentially tokenization as well with the mortgages. You know,
Speaker 1: you got something as a real tangible asset, and look
Speaker 1: at the destruction that they did with that in two thos.
Speaker 3: Well, but here's the thing, and I know this because
Speaker 3: I was assistant sector of your housing. We had houses.
Speaker 3: I have one house in Chicago I found that had
Speaker 3: refinanced and defaulted five times in a year. Now, that
Speaker 3: is the pattern you have when you have ten mortgages
Speaker 3: on one house. Yeah right, okay.
Speaker 1: And you mix it all together so nobody can see
Speaker 1: any of that stuff as well.
Speaker 3: Well, But the reason go back to Hamilton Securities, the
Speaker 3: reason they seized our office and stole our software and
Speaker 3: would never give it back is, you know our database
Speaker 3: is we're going to show that there are a lot
Speaker 3: more mortgages than there were homes in America. You know,
Speaker 3: the mortgage flud was off the charts. So here's the
Speaker 3: thing I think you know I wrote during the election.
Speaker 3: I wrote a paper called Seleary Paper Number one. It's
Speaker 3: up in our Missing Money website, and it's a review
Speaker 3: of the Federal credit and it shows you all the
Speaker 3: things that are wrong with the Federal credit. David, we
Speaker 3: have run the federal credit that I know of since
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, and we have refused to obey the
Speaker 3: financial management laws. We have run the government significantly outside
Speaker 3: of the financial management laws, and in a way I
Speaker 3: would describe as criminal. And we know that there's two
Speaker 3: anyone train that we've identified missing, and we know they
Speaker 3: announced under the last Trump administration to take the book
Speaker 3: start Now, if you're serious about reform, the first thing
Speaker 3: you do is you say, I'm going to bring the
Speaker 3: government back into compliance with the financial management laws. That's
Speaker 3: number one. Number two, I'm going to find out, We're
Speaker 3: all the twenty one tree in one and I'm going
Speaker 3: to get it back, or I'm going to get the
Speaker 3: related assets back, and I'm going to hold livel and
Speaker 3: responsible for people who stole it, right, I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: going to reverse the financial coup. And then the third
Speaker 3: thing I'm going to do is I'm going to take
Speaker 3: a look at all of our assets and you know,
Speaker 3: whether it's our people or our land, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to say, how do we get back to being productive?
Speaker 3: Step one is we've got to stop poisoning our kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, right.
Speaker 3: So you know our are if our people aren't, you know,
Speaker 3: aren't our talent, then that's what's wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So what do you think because I think
Speaker 1: of FDA now, I talk about it as being free
Speaker 1: to do anything for you know, and so but at
Speaker 1: the center of that is the poisoning the food and
Speaker 1: the drugs. What do you think RFK Junior, assuming that
Speaker 1: he gets through confirmation, I think if they get a
Speaker 1: sense that he's serious about anything, they'll find some way
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be I think he's going
Speaker 3: to be confirmed, and I'll tell you why. I think
Speaker 3: he's going to be confirmed the system on this issue.
Speaker 3: Has lost his credibility, and if it doesn't reaffirm his credibility,
Speaker 3: it's going to lose the channel.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, So what you.
Speaker 3: See, there's always you steal, right, and then you you know,
Speaker 3: you have a period of reform and everybody says, see,
Speaker 3: we can go, we can trust the government, and then
Speaker 3: you steal again, and then you reform. You know, it's
Speaker 3: like a pendulum and you swing it back and forth.
Speaker 3: It's like a harvesting machine.
Speaker 1: And of course it's important for Trump to try to
Speaker 1: recoup some of that lost trust after he was bragging
Speaker 1: about his vaccine to put the guy that was a
Speaker 1: vaccine skeptic in there, you know. And I looked at
Speaker 1: it and I always thought, is that going to go
Speaker 1: beyond the election? You know, will he actually put him
Speaker 1: in there? And if he does put him in there,
Speaker 1: will he do anything?
Speaker 3: So it's funny, I will tell you I saw the
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw the interview he did
Speaker 3: with Meet the Press where they were giving them a
Speaker 3: hard time about vaccines, and he looked at the woman.
Speaker 3: It was like she was like an economic kid lady.
Speaker 3: He looked at the person doing the interview, and he said,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to forget his exact words, but
Speaker 3: he said, you know, we'd have a real problem and
Speaker 3: we have to do something about it. You can't, you can't.
Speaker 3: She said, well are you going to can't? He said,
Speaker 3: I want to just get to the truth. He said,
Speaker 3: but we used to have you know, one in every
Speaker 3: hundred thousand was autistic. Now it's one in every hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: My numbers say it's one in every there's differences in
Speaker 3: the people I know between twenty and thirty. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: whatever the number is. What he looks saying is you can't.
Speaker 3: You can't. You have no future as a civilization. Mh,
Speaker 3: you have no future. You can't let that go. You
Speaker 3: have to get to the bottom of it and you
Speaker 3: have to fix it. And she couldn't have cared less.
Speaker 1: And we're just better at measuring this stuff. Now, that's
Speaker 1: it's not really that we got more, you know, like
Speaker 1: kind of nonsense we've heard for a while from these people.
Speaker 3: You know, something, you can murder with a pen. You
Speaker 3: can kill people with a pen. Yeah, and what she
Speaker 3: is doing, you know, you never want to make the
Speaker 3: Attorney General in the United States because there are a
Speaker 3: lot of people who are going to get prosecuted. But
Speaker 3: that's murder. Yeah, that's murder. That is really murder, and
Speaker 3: that's wrong. It's just you know, some people should go
Speaker 3: to help.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's why I could never I could never
Speaker 1: support Trump because of what happened with a vaccine and
Speaker 1: the fact that he continued to cheer it, you know,
Speaker 1: and to push this other stuff. But it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see what happens. You know, we talk about pump
Speaker 1: and dump, one of the things that immediately comes to
Speaker 1: mind over this last year is artificial intelligence and the
Speaker 1: things that is that going to be a big bubble
Speaker 1: that's going to burst the stock market because I've never
Speaker 1: seen a pump and dump like AI ever, and all
Speaker 1: the amazing things that's going to do, and of course
Speaker 1: it will have some useful purposes. But we already saw
Speaker 1: the dot com bust. You know, the internet was going
Speaker 1: to be a big deal.
Speaker 3: And so let me let me make some guesses here.
Speaker 3: I think the reason you're seeing the AI stocks fly
Speaker 3: is because government's shoveling so much money at them figuring
Speaker 3: it out. Because you need AI to build the control grid,
Speaker 3: and you know, One of the things the feedback you
Speaker 3: get from businesses is that businesses can't figure out a
Speaker 3: way to use this stuff to make them profitable, so
Speaker 3: they're struggling to turn it into real productivity, which is
Speaker 3: you know, and in part that's one of any new technology.
Speaker 3: That's always the truth. But I think one of the
Speaker 3: reasons the talks are flying is the government is throwing
Speaker 3: so much money at it because they need it for
Speaker 3: the control grid, not because it creates fundamental economics.
Speaker 1: Did you see Mark Andresen talking about why he flipped
Speaker 1: to a Trump He said, first of all, they told him,
Speaker 1: the guy that created Netscape, they tell him, don't even
Speaker 1: bother get into AI. We're going to control that and
Speaker 1: we're going to shut this down. He goes, he can't
Speaker 1: do that. That's pretty outrageous, And you can't do that. Well,
Speaker 1: we did it before, you know, we put entire fields
Speaker 1: of physics off limits to other people. They told him,
Speaker 1: And he said, wow, I learned a couple of things there.
Speaker 1: He was really taken back by the frankness of the
Speaker 1: Biden administration. It's kind of people they are are. They're
Speaker 1: so incredible, that is frank.
Speaker 3: But if you look at the deep state. They are
Speaker 3: going to control one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: I mean that, you know, these guys. The goal of
Speaker 3: the AI is to help them do the you know,
Speaker 3: their version of the new governance system. Oh, I agree,
Speaker 3: and it's back to the control grid. And you know,
Speaker 3: one of my big questions. We've a section every you know,
Speaker 3: we do a wrap up every quarter and every year,
Speaker 3: and we have a whole section called Unanswered Questions. And
Speaker 3: because there's so many you know, there's so many mysteries
Speaker 3: in the world. But one of my unanswered questions is
Speaker 3: is the reason these guys want total complete control is
Speaker 3: so they can bring out free energy because they're terrified
Speaker 3: of bringing it out. You know, free energy can be weaponized.
Speaker 3: It can be very dangerous. So do they want total
Speaker 3: control so they can finally bring out free energy?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how would they weaponize free energy?
Speaker 3: So I don't understand the physics. You'd have to talk
Speaker 3: to the guys who really, you know, who do it.
Speaker 3: I have one member, two members of our team were
Speaker 3: the were the guys who did the breakthrough energy conferences.
Speaker 3: If you go to global them and they drag me
Speaker 3: along to a couple of them. But that you know
Speaker 3: that technology can literally create weapons that can do huge destruction.
Speaker 1: True, true, And of course it's a big part of
Speaker 1: their control grid. You know, when you look at their
Speaker 1: ability to control things, it comes back to not only
Speaker 1: their monopoly essentially on money and financial assets, but it's
Speaker 1: also a connection to energy, the ability to manufacture things.
Speaker 1: But in the past they've even talked about how well,
Speaker 1: you know, we just need to kind of switch over
Speaker 1: away from these fiat currencies and start trading and energy credits.
Speaker 1: And so you see things like carbon taxes, and you
Speaker 1: see this carbon sequestration, which is another scam that I
Speaker 1: see developing there in the background with Trump and these
Speaker 1: people around him. I mean that that's going to be
Speaker 1: a they're going to come out to tell people you can buy,
Speaker 1: you can use any kind of energy you want, but
Speaker 1: you just got to pay us.
Speaker 3: Right, we don't have a fiat currency problem. I mean,
Speaker 3: the currency that we have the problem with is debt based.
Speaker 3: But we could easily evolve a dollar system into something
Speaker 3: without deb basing. That could be great. The greatest currencies
Speaker 3: throughout history have been fiat currencies that had good governance systems.
Speaker 3: You know, But if you have a powerful fiat currency
Speaker 3: that is basically run by a secret governance system. And
Speaker 3: once you did, you know that's a problem. But you
Speaker 3: know there's there's a difference between the problem being a
Speaker 3: currency problem and an organized crime problem or a secret
Speaker 3: Our problem is we have a secret governance system. We
Speaker 3: don't have a financial problem. We have a we have
Speaker 3: a political problem. We have a secret governance system, and
Speaker 3: it's trying to centralize in control in a way that.
Speaker 4: We don't want.
Speaker 3: We want to be free. I agree that's a problem,
Speaker 3: and it's just not a financial problem.
Speaker 1: We've got about five minutes left, and I want to
Speaker 1: ask you in a little bit of time that we've got,
Speaker 1: what's your take on all this drone stuff? Certainly looks
Speaker 1: like a setup to me. And of course they've got
Speaker 1: a reauthorization thing that's going to been folded into they
Speaker 1: continuing resolution. They could have gotten that pass by putting
Speaker 1: in a continuing resolution. But it's looking more and more
Speaker 1: to me like perhaps they as they start putting out
Speaker 1: this narrative about radiation, I get concerned about a false flag,
Speaker 1: dirty bomb or something to escalate. Well, what do you
Speaker 1: think is going.
Speaker 3: On with it? Bill? This is a wild guess. But
Speaker 3: my guess is one of two things are going on.
Speaker 3: One is they have those drones out. You know, it's
Speaker 3: clearly a military intelligence operation, so it's either the military
Speaker 3: and the intelligence agencies or it's their contractors doing it
Speaker 3: for them. So they're either concerned and looking for something,
Speaker 3: you know, so they you know, they have a real
Speaker 3: concern about some kind of risk and they're doing the
Speaker 3: surveillance to figure out what's going on, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's a legitimate national security concern. Whatever that is. We
Speaker 3: can speculate about that. This other thing is if you
Speaker 3: look at how much money they've put in the defense
Speaker 3: authorizations to build drunk capacity and where those people are,
Speaker 3: you know, it's a lot of this is happening in
Speaker 3: those corridors, and this could be sort of prototyping to
Speaker 3: get people ready for the control grid.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: So you know, so they're planning on using a lot
Speaker 3: of drones to run the control grid.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so it.
Speaker 3: Could just be prototyping and getting folks used to this
Speaker 3: kind of invasive drone.
Speaker 1: What do you think of the idea that you know,
Speaker 1: they're kind of planning this out there about it being radiation?
Speaker 1: What about a false flying dirty bomb, so they could
Speaker 1: escalate some of these wars.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, I think I think they're
Speaker 3: really concerned about you know, on the number one scenario,
Speaker 3: they're doing surveillance. I think they could be really concerned
Speaker 3: about dirty bombs or you know, whether it's a false
Speaker 3: flag or a tear attack. Because we're in a world
Speaker 3: of asymmetrical warfare. If you are basically engineering the death
Speaker 3: of Russian generals in Moscow, then they feel free to
Speaker 3: come and do the same here.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's and the Russians have warned if you
Speaker 3: if you keep doing this, you know, if you invade
Speaker 3: our sovereign territory and kill our military on our soil,
Speaker 3: whether it's a missile or you know, assassination lifts. You know,
Speaker 3: two can play this game, right, So we're in it
Speaker 3: in a world of asymmetrical warfare, anything's possible. I've had
Speaker 3: more than a few people over the over the years
Speaker 3: tell me, you know, if so and so doesn't get
Speaker 3: his way, he's going to set off a dirty bomb
Speaker 3: in Chicago. I remember I had one member of the
Speaker 3: intelligence agency you tried to persuade me that when they
Speaker 3: thought they couldn't get a rand concert or really you know,
Speaker 3: keep the lid on it that they were prepared to
Speaker 3: blow up a small you know, a suitcase snooke in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I mean go back in Northwood. I mean
Speaker 1: they were there, will do nine eleven type stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: back in the fifties, sixties, I.
Speaker 3: Guess, yeah, right, So, so I think those strongs were
Speaker 3: reflected military intelligence concerned that, you know, there was risk
Speaker 3: and they had to find it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is very concerning. You know, when I first
Speaker 1: looked at it, thought well maybe this this authorization thing.
Speaker 1: But the more I look at it more I think
Speaker 1: they're going to get that to it, David quickly.
Speaker 3: You know, the situation has moved to a real out
Speaker 3: of control state.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And there are far too many very powerful people who
Speaker 3: think chaos is good for business.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So they make money going up
Speaker 1: and coming down, especially if they know when it's going
Speaker 1: to go up and come down. That's the key thing
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 3: Well, part of it is the hubris. If you look
Speaker 3: at what has been gotten away with the organized crime,
Speaker 3: hubris is bad and you have many factions. So you know,
Speaker 3: I think we're in for there's going to be plenty
Speaker 3: of chaos in twenty twenty five. And it's not all
Speaker 3: just going to be engineered. It's when a society loses
Speaker 3: its bearings, you get real madness, and we're dealing We're
Speaker 3: dealing more and more with people who are literally losing
Speaker 3: their mind.
Speaker 1: I agree. Well, let's talk a little bit about Solario
Speaker 1: and the Selari Report. I've got a copy of the one.
Speaker 3: One You've got to make us wrap up grade.
Speaker 1: It's amazing the breadth of information that you get in
Speaker 1: these reports, and of course you're always head of the
Speaker 1: curve there at Solari dot com. Tell people a little
Speaker 1: bit about the membership that's there.
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Speaker 3: the news, news trends and stories we take up. We
Speaker 3: do a big wrap up of the equity markets and
Speaker 3: the financial markets. But we also deep dive what I
Speaker 3: call a primary theme. And I'm a great believer coming
Speaker 3: out of the investment community that at any given time,
Speaker 3: there there are twenty to twenty five primary trends that
Speaker 3: are driving our world, like the you know, the growth
Speaker 3: in space or the shift of economic activity to Asia.
Speaker 3: These are long live trends, or at the bull market
Speaker 3: and goal. These are long live trends if you take
Speaker 3: the time to understand them, learn about them. You know,
Speaker 3: you get that knowledge, and then it's good. You know,
Speaker 3: it's good for twenty years because it's a long live trend.
Speaker 3: And you're looking at the one we just did on water,
Speaker 3: and everybody said to me, water, why is the clearly
Speaker 3: report you know you're laying is money? Why are you
Speaker 3: doing waters? The number one most important thing to the
Speaker 3: to the financial value of a in real estate, it's
Speaker 3: good water if the community has good water. Remember that
Speaker 3: town in California where they stopped the water system. They said,
Speaker 3: we can't afford to do it anymore, and suddenly these
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand dollars houses were worth nothing. There was
Speaker 3: no water system. You know, imagine so anyway, but water
Speaker 3: is very, very important to the health and well being
Speaker 3: in place. And one of the things I always say
Speaker 3: the families, if you're going to reverse your situation in
Speaker 3: the Great Poisoning, if you want to get out of
Speaker 3: the Great Poisoning and get really healthy The first thing
Speaker 3: you have to pay attention to is, you know, what
Speaker 3: is the water you're drinking, what is the water you're bathing,
Speaker 3: and what's the water you're putting on the you know,
Speaker 3: on your garden, on your food. So anyway, so this
Speaker 3: the last one was on water. The next one coming
Speaker 3: out will include all the material on what the states
Speaker 3: can do. But we also did a deep dive on
Speaker 3: land bread. What did the tactics used to do land
Speaker 3: grab and anyway, there's a wealth of information that can
Speaker 3: help you with the state level. Really deal with the
Speaker 3: fact that there's a whole group of people trying to
Speaker 3: grab our land and in the meantime stick you know,
Speaker 3: Ponzi schemes into our pension funds.
Speaker 1: Well, he told us that we're going to own nothing.
Speaker 1: We just have to figure out how that attack is
Speaker 1: going to come and how we defend against it.
Speaker 3: And that's what the Oh here's Larry's vision. It's twenty thirty.
Speaker 3: You have more assets and are more prosperous than you
Speaker 3: are today and Clashwab is in his chateau and that
Speaker 3: helps in a state of keep depression.
Speaker 1: That would be great. I like that vision. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Catherine. It's always great to have you on
Speaker 1: Solari and Solari Report is Slarry dot com and you
Speaker 1: can find Salar Report, and I would underscore for everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to take a look at your article
Speaker 1: there about hijacking bitcoin in your interview. I'm very interested
Speaker 1: to see that because it's a great see part of
Speaker 1: the next year that's coming up.
Speaker 3: This guy, Steve Patterson, he is brilliant. So is Roger Fair.
Speaker 3: You're really going to enjoy listening to him. I'm going
Speaker 3: to try and get them back again because these are
Speaker 3: these are both you know, I never explained what happened
Speaker 3: to Roger, but after he published the book, the FEDS
Speaker 3: went after him. Oh yeah, and I think given the scam,
Speaker 3: the last thing they want is the truth about bitcoin.
Speaker 3: And there's no if you look at Rogers qualifications to
Speaker 3: to and and the book speaks for itself because if
Speaker 3: you look at the research, the footnoting the material, it's impeccable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. Let me just ask you real quickly
Speaker 1: before we before the show ends, and we've gone over
Speaker 1: a little bit here a couple of minutes, but I
Speaker 1: got you on. I wanted I got to have you
Speaker 1: on more often because it's always fascinating to have you on.
Speaker 1: What do you think about gold? You're talking about long
Speaker 1: term trends of this.
Speaker 3: We're in a long term bull market for We're in
Speaker 3: a long term bull market for gold.
Speaker 1: So I don't see anything fundamentally changing either, do you.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think there's anything new, anything changing, other
Speaker 3: than there's a major marketing push to get everybody to
Speaker 3: not buy gold to my big crypto. But it's working,
Speaker 3: you know. It's imagine if it hadn't been for bitcoin
Speaker 3: and crypto, gold would be through the moon. So it's
Speaker 3: been very successful, and the central bankings are free to
Speaker 3: buy and buy and buy.
Speaker 1: That's right, absolutely well, thank you so much, Catherine. Always
Speaker 1: great to have you. Solari dot com fascinating information, great insights.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: And let me just get to a couple of these
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