WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.279 The Jordan Peterson meltdown continues. 2 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:05.799 Well, and I'm Asian or you if you're a smarter Oh, 3 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:07.280 either you're a Christian or you're not. 4 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:08.039 Which one is it? 5 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:10.199 I could be either of them. 6 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:12.119 But I don't have to take you. 7 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:13.759 You don't have to tell me. I was under the 8 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:16.640 impression I was invited to talk to a Christian? Am 9 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:17.800 I not talking to a Christian? 10 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:20.160 No, you were invited to. 11 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:22.199 I think everyone should look at the title of the 12 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:24.320 YouTube channel. You're probably in the wrong YouTube video. 13 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:27.039 You're really quite something. You are, aren't I But. 14 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:29.359 You're really quite nothing right, You're not as. 15 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:31.559 Share I'm done with him. 16 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:35.079 I repeat, I take no glee in this whatsoever. I 17 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:37.880 still have a tremendous amount of respect for Jordan Peterson, 18 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:41.719 and I probably always will, though he's making it harder 19 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:44.280 and harder. Welcome to Liberty Lockdown. This is Clint Russell. 20 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:46.000 Thank you for tuning in once again. The clip that's 21 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.960 from which is going very viral is Jordan Peterson versus 22 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:52.960 twenty Atheists. It happened on Jubilee just yesterday. Needless to say, 23 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:55.000 that clip is going very viral, and I want to 24 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:59.759 be very very clear. I take no pleasure in agreeing 25 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.280 with a wild eyed COMI, which is almost certainly what 26 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:06.640 that kid is, the phenotype of disaster, the eyes that 27 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:10.280 are bulging out of his head, and he's obviously trying 28 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:13.400 to ruin Jordan's life and career. And I'm sure I 29 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:17.760 don't agree with him on anything politically whatsoever. However, he 30 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:20.920 pinned Jordan into the corner and just beat the hell 31 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:23.359 out of him. Got to be honest about what I 32 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:25.239 saw there, and that's what happened. What I find most 33 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:29.159 odd is that I, as a non Christian, I would 34 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:30.879 still say I'm not a Christian. I don't know, I'm 35 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:32.799 working on it. I felt as if many of these 36 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:35.959 instances of challenges from these twenty atheists, I would have 37 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:39.200 done a better job at contending with the arguments than 38 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:42.920 Jordan did. He continues to duck and dodge, and every 39 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:45.319 time he's kind of pinned into a corner, he relents 40 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:49.799 to demanding further clarification on definitions, some of which he 41 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:53.000 has already asked for before, some of which he has 42 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:55.959 already said what he is defining things as. And then 43 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:58.879 he's asking for another variant by which he can kind 44 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:01.079 of weasel his way out of the corner. What's most 45 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:03.120 weird about all of it is that he's in the 46 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:07.000 position of arguing against twenty atheists and arguing that the 47 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:10.439 atheists are wrong, but he's still unwilling to take a 48 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:13.919 firm position as to his own belief system. And I 49 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:16.319 just don't understand this middle ground that he's trying to walk, 50 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.879 and I find myself being sympathetic to it because I 51 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:23.159 am kind of in that position of being someone who 52 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:27.039 probably leans towards Christianity but is not a full on 53 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:31.120 believer just because of challenges of faith. And I think 54 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:35.560 that's where Jordan's at. Except he's just much more studious 55 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:38.360 in this arena, and it should not be such a 56 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:41.159 point of contention, and it ought to be something that 57 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:44.319 he's very open about if he's going to be putting 58 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:47.080 himself in a position of being a spokesman in defense 59 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:50.919 of Christianity as opposed to atheism, which is essentially what 60 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.800 this twenty person Blitzkraig was. So it seems to me 61 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:56.360 that Jordan wants to have his cake and eat it too. 62 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:58.919 He essentially does not want to be held to the 63 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:01.479 standards of a Christian but he wants to still have 64 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:04.800 a largely Christian audience that listens to him day in 65 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:08.759 and day out, but he doesn't take a declaratory stance 66 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:11.280 one way or the other. And I just don't understand it. 67 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:14.599 I can understand why, especially with that kid, why you 68 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.000 wouldn't want to answer him directly. I wouldn't want to 69 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:18.840 talk to that kid at all. But I've seen Jordan 70 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:21.360 do this in other settings that were much less contentious, 71 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:24.439 and he still continues to refuse to give a straight 72 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:26.960 answer as to whether or not he is a believer. 73 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:29.960 And I don't have a dog in that fight. If 74 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:32.120 he's not a believer, that's fine. If he is a believer, 75 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:37.280 that's also fine. Just tell us why won't you say 76 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:39.319 if you are or you aren't. And in fact, it 77 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.360 reminds me tie into another person that I've been documenting 78 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:46.000 their decline or the demise, which is James Lindsay, another 79 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:49.680 guy who pretends as if he's a Christian, talks as 80 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:53.479 if he's a Christian. Oftentimes we'll make posts where he's 81 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:58.360 calling upon Christian sensibilities in Christian morality, but yet doesn't 82 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:01.159 appear to actually be a believer himself. And I think 83 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:03.400 that's what's most off putting to those that are in 84 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:07.719 fact believers is when someone who is not is essentially 85 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:10.360 holding them to the moral standards of which they don't 86 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:13.599 hold themselves because they're not a believer. It's manipulative at 87 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:16.000 the end of the day, and I think people sense that. 88 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:19.720 And if you're in a position of arguing the morality 89 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.959 of Christianity in particular, and you're unwilling to be honest 90 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.879 about your own belief system, well then I think you've 91 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:30.079 already lost the debate. You've already put yourself in a 92 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:34.160 no win position, rightfully. So, I mean you're talking about 93 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:36.720 and he actually, in another clip on a playe in 94 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:40.519 a second, he talks specifically about truth and how that 95 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.399 is one of the highest Christian values or morals, but 96 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:49.000 he's not being truthful because he's withholding his own personal 97 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:51.160 position here. And for the life of me, I just 98 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:55.680 can't understand why, why withhold it? Just tell us. I 99 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:59.240 don't think anyone would be upset if you said I 100 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:02.279 struggle with my faith, given what he's gone through in 101 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:06.600 his life, that'd be totally explicable. Like, we get it, dude, 102 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.199 You've had a rough go of it over the past decade. 103 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:13.120 You've got launched in the stratosphere of stardom and fame 104 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:15.800 and everything else and adoration, and then you had a 105 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:17.959 drug addiction which almost destroyed you. You had to go to 106 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:20.240 Russia and get put into a coma. From what I've read, 107 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:24.720 I allegedly to get off of benzodiazepines. And then you 108 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.839 come back. You seem to have found your footing again, 109 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:30.480 so to speak. You're now trying to walk this line 110 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.319 of being a spokesman for religion that you will not 111 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:39.879 declare your belief in or even your non belief in neither. 112 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:42.480 You'll give us neither. I could be either of them. 113 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:43.839 But I don't have to take aview. 114 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:46.040 You don't have to tell me. I was under the 115 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.920 impression I was invited to talk to a Christian? Am 116 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:52.319 I not talking to a Christian? No, you were invited 117 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.439 to I think everyone should look at the title of 118 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:55.160 the YouTube channel. 119 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:56.639 You're probably in the wrong YouTube video. 120 00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:58.319 You're alreally quite something? 121 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:00.800 You are, aren't I? But you're really quite right. 122 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:01.480 You're not a question. 123 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:02.360 I'm done with him. 124 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:06.240 I just can't envision a world in which I, as 125 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:09.199 I consider myself an agnostic, I believe that there's probably 126 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:10.839 a higher power, but I could I couldn't give you 127 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.279 a description of it. I struggle with faith. I can't 128 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:15.959 imagine a world in which I would get into this 129 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.720 position of having to defend a religion I don't believe in, 130 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:21.319 or at least I can't say that I believe in 131 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:24.040 against twenty eightheists when he sounds as if he's dealing 132 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:26.000 with the same challenges that many of those people in 133 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:29.839 that room are, which is fair, totally fair. I think 134 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:33.120 tons of people struggle with faith. They struggle with their 135 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:37.680 own belief in religion. That's fair, that's understandable, that's human, 136 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:41.839 that's honest. This is not that. Putting yourself up as 137 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:44.920 an authoritative figure that's able to argue and debate in 138 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.439 defense of a religion that you will not take a 139 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:51.399 stance one way or the other one is just it's 140 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:53.839 a performative contradiction. Why are you doing this? Why are 141 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:57.040 you putting yourself up there like that? Worse you, as 142 00:06:57.079 --> 00:07:01.399 a guy who's extraordinarily capable and very very bright, are 143 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:05.120 losing two. He didn't have blue hair, but he's a 144 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:07.680 blue hair leftist. We all know the type. And you're 145 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:10.399 getting your teeth kicked in by him and going viral 146 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:13.439 for the worst reasons possible. Defending a thing that you 147 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.480 don't even necessarily have a firm position on yourself. Why 148 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:18.240 would you even debate something that you don't have a 149 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:20.480 firm position on? Why would you put yourself up as 150 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:23.279 that role? It seems as if you are a con man, 151 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:25.839 and I think a lot of people are suspecting it. 152 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:30.040 They're feeling it instinctually, and not just instinctually, but with evidence. 153 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:33.240 Someone like threatened my life, Right, I would lie in 154 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:35.639 order to be able to save my life, right like? 155 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:37.360 I think you would do that too. You wouldn't lie 156 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:39.920 to save your life. You're so sure you wouldn't lie 157 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:40.560 to save your life? 158 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:44.240 How much do you know about me? I didn't lie 159 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:47.040 to save my career. I didn't lie to save my 160 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:48.120 clinical practice. 161 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:50.879 Would you lie to save your children and your mom? 162 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:51.399 Your dad? 163 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:53.199 I don't think lying would save. 164 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:56.480 The Can there ever be a circumstance logically that lying 165 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:57.240 could save something? 166 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:59.360 Yeah, And if you're steeped in sin, you're likely to 167 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:01.079 live in circumstances like that. 168 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:04.079 There's something very odd about how he tightens his jaw, 169 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:08.040 his chin and he juts it out like he's lecturing him. 170 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:12.639 He's lecturing him from a position of seeming authority. What 171 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:14.360 do you know about me? Do you know what I've 172 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:16.480 gone through? Do you know what I've done? The claim 173 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:19.839 being that he sacrificed his career, and he did, and 174 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:23.040 to a certain extent, he did sacrifice his medical license 175 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:24.800 in Canada for the stand that he took, and there 176 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.439 is courageous aspects of that. He also landed very much 177 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:30.920 on his feet and became more wealthy and more famous, 178 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:34.000 and more popular and more listened to than he had 179 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:36.679 ever been before. But what's particularly odd about it is 180 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:41.080 that he's defending a position very fiercely that really no 181 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:44.480 one can, that no one actually lives out aside from 182 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:48.799 maybe Jesus. I mean, who doesn't tell a lie if 183 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:51.919 it's necessary to save their child? And to then argue 184 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:55.159 when an obvious counterpoint has been levied against your position 185 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.480 that telling the truth is paramount, which is obviously a 186 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:03.320 good lesson, certainly in alignment with Christian morals and Christian values. 187 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.960 Why not just acknowledge the fact that there are levels 188 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:11.320 to your principles, and a higher level of principle than 189 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:14.759 telling the truth is the protection and defense of your children, 190 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:18.200 of your wife makes perfect sense, a totally reasonable stance 191 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.679 to take, that is, when explained, completely understood by anybody 192 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:25.759 who's being reasonable. But you would rather put your feet 193 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:28.960 in the ground and defend a position that is not defensible. 194 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:34.039 Most people rightfully will tell a white lie if put 195 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:37.720 in a dire circumstance where it's necessitated, and it is. 196 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:39.399 The case that there's like Jewish people in your attic 197 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.320 and your time, would you lie to like the Nazis. 198 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:44.679 I would have done everything I bloody well could, so 199 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:47.200 I wouldn't be in that situation to begin with. It's 200 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:52.000 a hypothetical, and it's no. I can't answer a hypothetical 201 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:57.519 like that, because it's look that you don't play games. 202 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:01.240 If you present me with an intro practable moral choice 203 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.919 that's stripped of context and you backed me into a corner, 204 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:04.840 you're playing game. 205 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:06.559 I just told youpathetic. 206 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:10.320 I would do everything that I could to make sure 207 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:13.360 that I'm never in that situation. By the time you've 208 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:16.759 got there, you've made so many mistakes that there's nothing 209 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:18.200 you can do that isn't a sin. 210 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:21.840 Being born in Nazi Germany and trying to protect people 211 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:23.240 that you care about, Like there could be a Jewish 212 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:24.879 friend that you have and you want to protect them 213 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:28.960 that line of question, give up on just like trying 214 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:31.480 to clarify your position because I don't like Claire, are 215 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:33.720 you like uncomfortable with me asking this question? It's just 216 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.720 a basic hypothetical, like I could ask. It's just a 217 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:37.960 basic apathetical where you're like. 218 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:40.600 What Jews life's at stake in Nazi Germany? 219 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:42.039 That's just a basic. 220 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:43.960 Obviously you would lie in that scenario to save their life. 221 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.200 But you're like not trying to answer this question. What's 222 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:46.919 for some reason? 223 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:49.279 Again, I'm put in the position of having to defend 224 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:53.600 some college kid, which I probably despise politically, but he's right, 225 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.559 This is a totally fair question to ask. Would you 226 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:59.879 lie to defend your children in the position of having 227 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:03.440 Jewish friends or family that are in Nazi Germany in 228 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:06.480 the nineteen forties, would you lie to protect them? The 229 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:10.559 answer is yes, say yes. No one's going to say, oh, 230 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.799 you're not a Christian, Oh, telling the truth is not important. 231 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:17.720 Just be honest. In fact, you aren't being honest by 232 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:20.600 lying about being honest in a moment that you wouldn't 233 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:23.399 be if that makes sense. I know I put a 234 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:26.960 lot of thoughts together in one line of explanation, but 235 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:30.159 that's the truth. We would all lie, and everyone would 236 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.279 understand why you would lie. Well, excuse me, we wouldn't 237 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:36.039 all lie to protect a friend during that circumstance. Many 238 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:39.240 people write it out their friends and their family during 239 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:42.360 periods like that. We learned that during twenty twenty what 240 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:45.039 a lot of your friends and family righted you out 241 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:49.000 for not getting the jab or whatever, not wearing a mask, 242 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:52.879 not social distancing. They didn't invite you to Thanksgiving or 243 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:57.440 Christmas or whatever holidays you celebrate. It was insane. So 244 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.759 a lot of people put in the position of dealing 245 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:05.519 with this hypothetical would just answer it truthfully, which Jordan 246 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.879 refuses to do. What I took away from that is 247 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:11.000 that I think because Jordan has been put in such 248 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:16.799 a position of authority and kind of cloistered off from 249 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:20.080 the rest of the world, or at least not challenged 250 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:23.440 very much over the past few years, his ability to 251 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:28.960 contend with legitimate arguments to counter his own beliefs has weakened. 252 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:33.200 He's gotten very very fragile, very weak at defending these arguments, 253 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:35.720 and I think that's a product of his own success 254 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.840 in a tragic way. That because he's surrounded by people 255 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:42.879 that respect him so much, including myself. If I was 256 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:45.720 sitting across the table from Jordan Peterson, I would struggle 257 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:49.519 to be as antagonistic as these kids were to him. 258 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:51.960 But these kids are thinking of themselves. I'm gonna go viral, 259 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:54.039 I'm gonna dunk on this old guy. That's gonna be great. 260 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:57.559 And many of them got their wish. But it didn't 261 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.399 have to go this way because Jordan, in my opinion, 262 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:04.639 is capable of defending these positions. He is capable of 263 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:09.080 defending Christianity if he is honest with himself, and I 264 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.240 think that is the crux of the issue. That is 265 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.519 the key problem that he's dealing with, is that he's 266 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.799 not being honest with himself. And for the life of me, 267 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:21.879 I cannot understand why he would argue in defense of 268 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:25.879 a religion that he is still challenged by, that he 269 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:30.200 is struggling with, that he is attempting to become a 270 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.440 believer in. I believe that I don't believe that he 271 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.360 is a believer at this point, because if he were, 272 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:39.559 many of these gotcha moments go bye. Bye. 273 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.279 Do you believe in the all knowing, all powerful, all 274 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:42.120 good notion of God? 275 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:44.120 What do you mean by believe? 276 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:45.840 Do you think it's be true? 277 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.600 That's the circular definition. What do you mean believe? 278 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:51.759 How is that circular? 279 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:55.480 Because you added no content to the answer by substituting 280 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:58.840 the word true and believe. 281 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:00.759 I said think it to be true? 282 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:01.240 All right? 283 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.279 So if to believe something you stake your life on it. 284 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.519 I gotta stop it there. Because he says, do you 285 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:11.720 believe in the all knowing, all powerful, omnipotent God. He 286 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:13.879 asked for a clarification as to what does What does 287 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:17.519 he mean as do you believe? He says, do you 288 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.639 think it to be true? That is a definition that 289 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:25.159 is not circular reasoning. Do you think it's true? I mean, 290 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:28.200 that's really what he's asking it once again, instead of 291 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:33.279 just answering honestly, is that I'm not sure? I don't know. 292 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:38.679 That would be an honest answer from doctor Peterson. Instead, 293 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:44.039 he gets into semantics and definition bargaining. It's stupid. It 294 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:47.759 comes across as totally disingenuous because it is because he's 295 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:49.960 not being honest with the audience. He's not being honest 296 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.360 with the panelists, and he's not being honest with himself. 297 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:55.679 If you believe something, you stake your life on it, 298 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.879 what do you mean by that you live for it 299 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:01.120 and you die for it? 300 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:01.559 Okay? 301 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:03.440 So you're saying that you don't believe something if you 302 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:04.559 wouldn't die for it. 303 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:06.559 Not really no, okay? 304 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:09.360 So now would you define belief something you say? 305 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:11.240 I guess why. I explained, like, I could believe it 306 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:13.039 is the case that this pen exists. But if someone 307 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:15.799 like threatened my life, right, I would lie in order 308 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.200 to be able to save my life. Right, Like I 309 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:19.720 think you would do that too. You wouldn't lie to 310 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:22.279 save your life. You's so sure you wouldn't lie to 311 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:22.840 save your life. 312 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:25.360 How much do you know about me? So here's one 313 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:28.679 of the most interesting parts of this entire conversation is 314 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:32.720 that he's being challenged on what belief means. I think 315 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:38.080 because of his experience saying profundities, saying things that sound 316 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:42.840 very lofty, very high order ideals of like, you don't 317 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:45.919 believe in something unless you're living for it and willing 318 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.919 to die for it. That's something that you might say 319 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:52.120 to motivate a young man, but it's not actually the 320 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.679 honest answer belief in things like I believe in gravity, 321 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:01.519 I'm certainly not prepared to die for it. What I mean, 322 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:05.320 this is just nonsense. And I think because he's been 323 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:09.240 cloistered off from Normi's he's not or he hasn't at 324 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:12.039 least been challenged on these kind of profundities that he 325 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:16.639 creates that he concox to sound very intelligent and interesting, 326 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:19.879 which he is. He just hasn't had to contend with pushback. 327 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:23.279 And he's like, he's saying these catch phrases, you don't 328 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:26.279 actually believe unless you are living for it and willing 329 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:29.279 to die for it. Well, that's nonsense. I mean, you're 330 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:33.879 basically talking about faith in religion, not the broad definition 331 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:38.120 of belief, which is separate from that. And you can 332 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:40.240 believe in lots of things and not be willing to 333 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:43.440 die for them. I believe that my name's Clint. If 334 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:47.320 someone calls me something else, I'm okay, not not fighting 335 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:50.279 over it. I'll let that go, you know. I mean, 336 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:53.159 it's just weird. It's just a weird stance to take, 337 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:55.360 and it's I think it's really a product of just 338 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:59.679 not having to deal with challengers when you're going off, 339 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:04.240 you know, in your superfluous, flowery diatribes, which I love. 340 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:06.160 By the way, I'm not not trying to be a hater. 341 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:10.480 It falls flat when you're actually dealing with genuine counter points, 342 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:11.359 which he was. 343 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.759 By the time you've got there, you've made so many 344 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:17.720 mistakes that there's nothing you can do that isn't a sin. 345 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.079 Being born in Nazi Germany and trying to protect people 346 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:22.720 they care about, Like there could be a Jewish friend 347 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:23.720 that you have and you want. 348 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:24.119 To protect them. 349 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:26.759 That line of questions. 350 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:29.559 But like, again, you're not answering this hypothetical because you 351 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:30.920 know it shows that you clearly would. 352 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:37.799 Answers find acceptable. Obviously, I wouldn't be in that scenario. 353 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:40.079 I mean, this kid just eats his lunch. It couldn't 354 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:43.000 be more obvious. I mean to say that, oh, I 355 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.799 wouldn't be in that scenario, or that because you've been 356 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:47.920 painted into this corner and this hypothetical that you're not 357 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:51.119 willing to engage in, you're now pleading with your competitor 358 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:54.079 by saying I think you should just abandon this line 359 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:57.400 of questioning. He says that verbatim, I mean that is 360 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:00.519 at such an act of desperation as a posed to 361 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:04.039 just telling the fucking truth. And I think I've said 362 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:06.680 this in prior episodes, but this is what makes Dave 363 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:09.599 Smith so good at debating. He doesn't have to lie 364 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:12.039 about any of these things because he just tells you 365 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:16.319 what he genuinely believes, and his ideas happen to be right, 366 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:20.079 so it's very easy to defend them. So he can 367 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:25.160 do so publicly time and time again without ever getting 368 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:28.880 caught up in a lie because he's not lying. Now. 369 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:30.680 He might be wrong about some things, and I might 370 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.359 be wrong about some things too, but I never have 371 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:39.079 to intentionally obfuscate my beliefs because I just get to 372 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:41.759 tell the truth as I see it. And I think 373 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.799 Jordan is in a position where he's not able to 374 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:48.160 do that, and I don't know why. I don't know 375 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:50.960 if it's a laye that he's decided that he needs 376 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:55.000 to fill, that he's got some agent or something, some 377 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.559 pr person who's telling him, hey, we think you're best 378 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:01.799 at this, you need to stay here, or because he 379 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:04.920 works for the Daily Wire, if they're telling him, look, 380 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:08.200 we're losing a lot of Christians over this whole Israel stuff, 381 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:13.319 and you're our guy, so you Matt Walsh, the other, dude, 382 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:15.680 we need you guys to be go harden the paint 383 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:19.400 in defensive Christian values, because then we get to say, look, 384 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:23.200 daily Wire employs all of these very loud and proud 385 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:26.119 Christians when he's not one. I mean, he's a loud one, 386 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:30.000 but he's not a Christian apparently, because he's not willing 387 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:31.799 to say if he is or he isn't, so I 388 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:33.359 have to assume that he's not. Now, I don't want 389 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.000 to pretend as if every single contender that sat up 390 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:40.119 there and hammered him with questions just destroyed him. Many 391 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.920 of them were amicable, and some of the answers that 392 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:45.440 he gave were insightful, so it's not as if he's 393 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.559 completely in shambles. I'm taking the segments that are the 394 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.000 most worthy of being discussed further. But there are some 395 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.960 good moments. And in fact, there's this one girl who 396 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:57.920 apparently he liked the most in terms of her questioning 397 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.000 of him, and he invited her to do a length 398 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:01.680 the year five minute segment at the end, and I'm 399 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:04.160 just going to show you one segment of that so 400 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:05.200 we can break it down. 401 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:07.799