Speaker 1: Effective cartel gunment in Mexico fire shots at border patrol
Speaker 1: agents in Fronton, Texas. This all happened about one hour ago,
Speaker 1: law enforcement tells Bill Mallusion. It happened as cartel members
Speaker 1: tried to bring a group of illegal immigrants across the river.
Speaker 1: The agents fired back. No one neither side was hit.
Speaker 1: The group of illegal ngrits did not make it across
Speaker 1: the Red River.
Speaker 2: Now, this is top Lobster, being the normally boisterous son
Speaker 2: of a gun that he is, has decided to wage
Speaker 2: war against the Libertarians as well as the Mexican drug
Speaker 2: cartels simultaneously over the past week. So I decided to
Speaker 2: invite him and the Nephelin des squad boys on to
Speaker 2: discuss this. I am obviously quite anti war. I am
Speaker 2: not anti war to the extent that I am opposed
Speaker 2: to national defense, and I think that there is a
Speaker 2: fair argument to be made that we are being invaded. However,
Speaker 2: I don't think we're being invaded by an army, and
Speaker 2: that is a difference that is worth discussing, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure we'll get into it. I don't really understand your position.
Speaker 2: It does seem quite accelerationists and fact reckless, which is
Speaker 2: kind of your mo at this point, but I would
Speaker 2: like to like to understand your guys angle on this angle.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking about Mexicans here, right, It's like again,
Speaker 3: it's like Mexicans haitian.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I all right, this is this is why I wanted
Speaker 3: to talk with you. So Trump gets in day one
Speaker 3: he declares the Cartel a terrorist agency or I guess
Speaker 3: it's just terrorists in general, and we know what what
Speaker 3: that comes along with. So immediately I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 3: can see the anti war reflex in a lot of
Speaker 3: libertarians is gonna kick right away. I haven't checked in
Speaker 3: on Dave Smith to see what he's saying, but I'm
Speaker 3: sure he's beating this drum rightfully, so because it's happened.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think Dave. I mean, Dave addressed
Speaker 2: it on his show, but he has not been tweeting
Speaker 2: about it, so he's not going hard in the paint.
Speaker 2: But his his position was that the same as mine,
Speaker 2: that labeling them a terrorist organization is just a mechanism
Speaker 2: to circumvent normal congressional authorization for military activities. It also
Speaker 2: opens up the potential for CIA activity when it comes
Speaker 2: to rendition, torture, if we're gonna learn any lessons from
Speaker 2: the War on Terror and what happened in Guantanamo, that's
Speaker 2: those are the things that are now back on the
Speaker 2: table with that classification, and that concerns me, Right.
Speaker 4: I get that.
Speaker 3: Now do you see is there a tangible difference between
Speaker 3: the CIA and the cartel and how they operate and
Speaker 3: what they actually are.
Speaker 2: I think there's a tangible difference, yes, in that. I mean,
Speaker 2: first off, it's domestic you know, entities. It's largely US
Speaker 2: government that's involved with the CIA. Not all cartel members
Speaker 2: are US government officials, So I think that would be
Speaker 2: the largest difference. They are certainly criminal gangs in my estimation,
Speaker 2: so I understand the overlap, but I don't think that
Speaker 2: they're one and the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like, this is the differentiation that I'm trying
Speaker 3: to understand, trying to make in my head, at least
Speaker 3: when I look at the CIA and we're like abolish
Speaker 3: the CIA, Sure, fine, but that doesn't solve our problem here.
Speaker 3: And not to get to like QAnon weird esoteric kind
Speaker 3: of Trump land, but what we are battling or what
Speaker 3: we're battling against is the deep state, right, not necessarily,
Speaker 3: I mean our own government in some aspects, like but
Speaker 3: our own government I'd rather deal with, like with wasteful spending.
Speaker 3: These are things that we can address with laws and
Speaker 3: you know, so like public pressure, things like this. The CIA,
Speaker 3: the part of the CIA that I'm talking about, is
Speaker 3: this like dark operation part of the CIA, and their
Speaker 3: funding comes from these kind of activities, cartel, illegal drug activities.
Speaker 4: So I guess I'll just.
Speaker 2: What work black ops?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, we'll work black ops. I'll just I'll
Speaker 3: just cut to the chase here. I think that if
Speaker 3: you're going to try to improve America in any measurable way,
Speaker 3: meaning like if you want to stop people from die
Speaker 3: from from fentanyl, if you want to have some kind
Speaker 3: of secure border, anything that makes sense for the American people,
Speaker 3: is going to be an act of war against this
Speaker 3: dark government, this car the cartel. Basic the cartel appears
Speaker 3: to me as the army of the CIA, of the
Speaker 3: aspect of the CIA that that is in charge of
Speaker 3: these black operations, the ones that possibly tried to kill Trump,
Speaker 3: the ones that are responsible for like some of the
Speaker 3: off like I mean maybe even COVID we've been talking
Speaker 3: about COVID.
Speaker 4: Where where did that come from? Like some now.
Speaker 3: Right right exactly, but not from not from a wet market.
Speaker 3: It's looking exactly. So we have the FBI talking about.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, the CIA just confirmed that yesterday, by the way,
Speaker 2: that they now lean in that direction as opposed to
Speaker 2: before when they said it was almost an impossibility. So yeah,
Speaker 2: they But this is this is all, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: just a shift that goes along with the culture and
Speaker 2: also trying to front run the Really what's happening, which
Speaker 2: to some extens is kind of a revolution in the
Speaker 2: federal government in that you're gonna have cash Betel Tulsi, Gabbard,
Speaker 2: RFK JR. They're all coming in. So all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the FBI gets rid of its DEEI department, All of
Speaker 2: a sudden, the CIA says that, oh, yeah it did.
Speaker 2: It came from Mohan. It didn't come from that wet market.
Speaker 2: I think that they're all just trying to get out
Speaker 2: in the front so they don't get canned. That's my
Speaker 2: Let me.
Speaker 3: Ask you a question, though, because now let's start connecting
Speaker 3: the dots. Let's put our conspiracy hat on. We're gonna
Speaker 3: put r fk in hhs. We're gonna put Tulsi Gabbard
Speaker 3: in charge of like foreign uh, you know, foreign relations.
Speaker 3: We're gonna put this guy what's his name uh heg Seth.
Speaker 3: I think I think his name is in charge right,
Speaker 3: in charge of deportation.
Speaker 2: No, that's Homan.
Speaker 3: Okay, Homan in charge of deportation. Hegseth is like the.
Speaker 2: Whatever these a secretary of defense? Yeah?
Speaker 3: These are these are people I don't like. At this point,
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, what I know for sure is
Speaker 3: they don't want them there. They're going to be opposed
Speaker 3: in any in any form or fashion, any any way
Speaker 3: that they can. So we're going to see some weird
Speaker 3: probably some terroristic attacks if you do this like logical conclusion,
Speaker 3: which I know your Audien is gonna be like, this
Speaker 3: is not logic.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 3: The military arm of the CIA, this dark ops part
Speaker 3: of the CIA seems to be the cartel. This is
Speaker 3: where they're getting their money from. They're actually outright funding them.
Speaker 3: We know that the Obama administration gave them guns, and
Speaker 3: it was supposed to be so we can track them.
Speaker 3: It just turned out that they were doing crimes on
Speaker 3: American soil. With these guns and then they got caught.
Speaker 2: So operation fast and the furious for any fact checkers out.
Speaker 3: There, right, if my concern is if you oppose these
Speaker 3: these measures in any meaningful way, and not just this
Speaker 3: hand wave or this like the kind of like the
Speaker 3: weak way that Trump opposed it in his first in
Speaker 3: his first presidency. If you actually threaten this, if you
Speaker 3: actually threaten the deep state what we're let's just call that.
Speaker 3: What will they do They're going to I mean, well,
Speaker 3: we saw what they did. He threatened them slightly and
Speaker 3: they released COVID on us. If we threaten them again,
Speaker 3: it's all at war anyway, Clint, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I'm not cheerleading a war against Mexico. It's insane. But
Speaker 3: what do we do. They're embedded in our society in Colorado,
Speaker 3: in New Mexico, in New York, They're everywhere. They're already here,
Speaker 3: and now we want to change the country and turn
Speaker 3: it around. Like I think you need to ask yourself,
Speaker 3: do you want rfk In as HSS director? Do you
Speaker 3: want Toulca Gabbard in the government? Do you want cash
Speaker 3: Betel as head of the FBI. If the answers yes,
Speaker 3: then you're better be ready to deal.
Speaker 2: With this shit, because Okay, so you're saying that basically
Speaker 2: the war is being declared just by the cabinet that
Speaker 2: he's surrounded himself with. Look, I can see that argument.
Speaker 2: Certainly based off of my feeling about the multiple assassination
Speaker 2: attempts against Trump. There have been rumors of people inside
Speaker 2: Trump's camp that actually agree with my assessment as to
Speaker 2: the fact that the deep State, that it was the
Speaker 2: US government that was in fact trying to take Trump out.
Speaker 2: If that's all true, then yes, I mean, certainly, Cashptel
Speaker 2: all these other folks are going to represent kind of
Speaker 2: an existential threat to these people, assuming that these people
Speaker 2: are for real, which is still TBD. I hope that
Speaker 2: they are. I've met most of them personally, and I
Speaker 2: tend to believe that they are. But I'm still not
Speaker 2: one hundred percent convinced that that does not mean that
Speaker 2: I should be on board with authorizing the CIA and
Speaker 2: the existing military to then go into Mexico, use drone activity,
Speaker 2: use rendition, use black ops to take out cartel leaders,
Speaker 2: particularly given that there is no there is no track
Speaker 2: record by which you can point to and say, here
Speaker 2: is a military activity that actually defeated a criminal organization
Speaker 2: that didn't immediately create a power vacuum which was filled
Speaker 2: in short order. You can even even with isis like,
Speaker 2: oh they're gone, now they're back. It's the same thing
Speaker 2: Taliban twenty years. They didn't go anywhere. There's really no
Speaker 2: exism other than like toppling leaders. We do that quite
Speaker 2: well with our CIA, in our State Department. We topple
Speaker 2: leaders in countries. But does that create a better situation?
Speaker 2: And historically the answer is consistently no. Libya, Yemen, like
Speaker 2: all these other Ukraine, for God's sake.
Speaker 5: Letia has burst into open air slave trade.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 5: I mean that's what happened after we created that power.
Speaker 2: Vacuum, and that was Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 5: And I mean, yeah, didn't she let what was it?
Speaker 2: We came, we saw, he died.
Speaker 6: That's it, as they knifed him in the butt on
Speaker 6: national television. Look, I think it is important to ask, though,
Speaker 6: and I agree with what you're saying. Clinton authorizing our
Speaker 6: own government to do all of those things that you listed,
Speaker 6: that's problematic, sure, But I mean when they're alleged to
Speaker 6: have done the things that they are alleged to right
Speaker 6: when it comes to human trafficking. I know that that's
Speaker 6: kind of a real big deal right now. They just
Speaker 6: found like seventy five thousand missing migrant children. I think
Speaker 6: it was in Iceland. It's not necessarily attributed to the cartel,
Speaker 6: but like human trafficking, child trafficking is something that's on
Speaker 6: the forefront of a lot of people's mind. It's like
Speaker 6: people's number one deal, and we've become pretty comfortable associating
Speaker 6: that with one of the cartel's dirty bags here. And then,
Speaker 6: of course, like top mentioned earlier, the funneling a fentanel.
Speaker 6: We're in the middle of a huge opioid crisis and
Speaker 6: people are dropping in the droves. So I understand not
Speaker 6: authorizing all of those things that you listed, but I
Speaker 6: think and that's fair. So the question then becomes what
Speaker 6: should we do? And is this not an open declaration
Speaker 6: of war against US? I mean, we started it with
Speaker 6: them allegedly a suspected cartel member returning fire against border agents,
Speaker 6: And it's.
Speaker 5: Like, at what point does it no longer matter?
Speaker 6: And I would say that we're probably there in regards
Speaker 6: of like whether or not we're in a hot war
Speaker 6: with the cartel, But the other thing becomes what do
Speaker 6: we do instead of I agree not authorizing all these
Speaker 6: because it's one of those things too where whatever we're
Speaker 6: going to allow them to do, they're never going to
Speaker 6: relinquish those powers, you know. So if we authorize war
Speaker 6: with the cartel, it's like there's gonna be a whole
Speaker 6: bunch of shit that's going to be leveraged against the
Speaker 6: American people in the future.
Speaker 5: Because it is what do we do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I have a lot of answers. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure that you guys will agree with them. But first off,
Speaker 2: you know, I've already gone, I've already bucked the libertarian
Speaker 2: you know, trend and said that I think that the
Speaker 2: border does need to be secured. That I'm not an
Speaker 2: open borders libertarian. So I think that that's like square one.
Speaker 2: You need to secure the border. If they do that,
Speaker 2: and if they can't do that, then like we can't
Speaker 2: win wars either. If you can't support secure your own borders,
Speaker 2: you have no business empire building. It's absurd. It should
Speaker 2: have never been this way in the first place. So
Speaker 2: that's square one, you secure the borders. I do think
Speaker 2: that the deportation orders, particularly the targeted ones. The way
Speaker 2: that they're handling it currently, they're going after people with
Speaker 2: criminal records and not just like criminal and that they
Speaker 2: came to the country illegally, but in fact, you know,
Speaker 2: violent crimes and things of that nature. I think deporting
Speaker 2: those people is absolutely necessary, obviously in that will encompass
Speaker 2: many of the cartel members. And then the opio issue.
Speaker 2: I'm curious actually to hear what you guys think, because
Speaker 2: it's not so simple or obvious to me that it
Speaker 2: is strictly a cartel or Mexican cartel issue when it
Speaker 2: comes to fentanyl. You have all of these rumors about
Speaker 2: it being China that is involved because they create the precursors.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's fully true. This is a
Speaker 2: lot of like propaganda that we're dealing with. So what
Speaker 2: do you guys think. Do you think this is? Like
Speaker 2: what incentive does the Mexican drug cartels have to continue
Speaker 2: to funnel fentanyl given that it is now jeopardizing their
Speaker 2: entire operation? Like that doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 6: So if I were to speculate on that, I don't
Speaker 6: necessarily have an answer for that, but I would speculate
Speaker 6: that they're in tied with the deep State. And the
Speaker 6: reason that I suspect that is because I don't think
Speaker 6: it's any coincidence. We already have precedent for the Iran
Speaker 6: contra wars and flooding the hood with cocaine in order
Speaker 6: to fund them, and you know, supplying people like Freeway
Speaker 6: Ricky Ross.
Speaker 5: He learns how to.
Speaker 6: Create crack croquete. He literally creates the crack epidemic of
Speaker 6: the eighties and the black community. And I don't think
Speaker 6: that it's a surprise or a coincidence that during a
Speaker 6: time when the opioid epidemic was starting here in the
Speaker 6: United States, we were in charge of the largest concentration
Speaker 6: of poppy fields in the world in Afghanistan. And so
Speaker 6: I would argue that this entire thing was spurred on
Speaker 6: by some element of our own government. So the question,
Speaker 6: what then, does the Mexican cartel gain from doing a
Speaker 6: thing like that. It entirely depends on what deal they've
Speaker 6: made with who, I would argue, are the people that
Speaker 6: kick this ball off to begin with. So I don't
Speaker 6: think that this thing is happening to us. I think
Speaker 6: it's being done to us. And I think that we're
Speaker 6: going to find as we go down that these things
Speaker 6: are tied together, this cartel, this deep state thing that's
Speaker 6: Hop was talking about. I think they're going to find
Speaker 6: more and more evidence for that. I think it's probably
Speaker 6: one of the many things that they control.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, it's like we have I mean, we have
Speaker 3: gangs from a foreign country doing human sacrifice on our
Speaker 3: land as soon as close as like twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: But it's it's it is. It's insane.
Speaker 2: Because you're gonna you're gonna need to fill me in
Speaker 2: because I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Oh, there was a there were two girls killed. I
Speaker 3: mean there's been a couple instances of this where I
Speaker 3: think it's like this MS thirteen stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yes, okay, I remember those stues.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But now that we have Likenagua and there's like a
Speaker 3: couple more different types of game, this is it's all
Speaker 3: cartel related business. Also, the Colombia stuff is kind of
Speaker 3: an interesting overlap now, right, because.
Speaker 2: This is the first time you've ever signed to Puerto Rican.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 4: I'm actually Thereago, don't don't deport me.
Speaker 2: But that way too easy.
Speaker 4: That was I've been watching a lot of better call
Speaker 4: so Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well let's let's let's update the people that aren't
Speaker 2: forever online, like US Colombia. Basically, there's been deportation flights
Speaker 2: that have been going from the US to Colombia as
Speaker 2: well as much of Latin America. Trump changed the protocols
Speaker 2: without getting authorization from the President Columbia, and he sent
Speaker 2: a military flight with the deportees in handcuffs.
Speaker 5: And like that energy, dude, I really like that energy.
Speaker 2: Pretty pretty hardcore. Needless to say, the socialist leader of
Speaker 2: Columbia Columbia, Petro, did not like that. He immediately, you know,
Speaker 2: told them you cannot land. Trump did not like that.
Speaker 2: He then told them I'm gonna immediately revoke all of
Speaker 2: your visas for your diplomats and put a travel ban
Speaker 2: and twenty five percent tariffs and it'll up just fifty
Speaker 2: percent in seven days if you don't address list. And
Speaker 2: then in less than two hours, uh, the President of
Speaker 2: Columbia sent the Air Force UNO to come and get
Speaker 2: his deportees. And I was like, this is fucking nuts.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: Is it the same guy that was spotted like holding
Speaker 3: hands with the transgender woman?
Speaker 8: Yep?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yes. Interesting? Interesting that he folded that quickly.
Speaker 3: Definitely not yet.
Speaker 5: I'm sure there's no correlation there.
Speaker 3: I think it's we could also talk about so all right,
Speaker 3: when we're talking about Columbia, we can talk about the
Speaker 3: kind of original cartels that running you know, UH cocaine
Speaker 3: into the United States. It's it's from this, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's I mean, it goes so much deeper than
Speaker 3: just drugs. Like I know, libertarians want to get caught
Speaker 3: up because they want to do their fentanyl or whatever
Speaker 3: the fuck they're doing. But these people have They've influenced
Speaker 3: our society in so many different ways besides you know,
Speaker 3: like importing this weird Santa stuff, like the Santa that
Speaker 3: they bring in with all of this, it's it's very dark.
Speaker 3: It even has like some roots that I'm trying to
Speaker 3: tie to the Lima or possibly Alistair Crowley, which was.
Speaker 6: I'm literally scamming through the FBI's page right now finding
Speaker 6: no ending of correlations between the cartail and UH inspired
Speaker 6: ritualistic killings. Santamuerte inspired in ritualistic killing. So this is
Speaker 6: something that yeah, I mean, this is there was.
Speaker 5: On the radar.
Speaker 3: The tenets of Santa Moete, which they all follow, are
Speaker 3: very much it's very close to do as that will
Speaker 3: that's that will be the entirety of the law, which
Speaker 3: is an Alistair Crowley type thing. And Alistair Crowley was
Speaker 3: a CIA plant who had ties to who's this guy
Speaker 3: from World War Win? Like Churchhill, he went to school
Speaker 3: with such. I mean, these these this stinks like shit
Speaker 3: of government operations, and it is we know that it's
Speaker 3: a government operation. We know that they're funding these black ops.
Speaker 3: The question, I think goes again, it's if the government
Speaker 3: does this all the time with these the deep state
Speaker 3: does this. They created not so big and then they
Speaker 3: create you know, they create shit all around it, and
Speaker 3: then they go, you want to untie that or you
Speaker 3: want to just leave that there. And if we want
Speaker 3: to have a functioning society, we've got to untie that.
Speaker 3: Like to track back to what Columbia was doing, they've influenced,
Speaker 3: you know how girls like the girls that we see
Speaker 3: here have like big tits, big fake butts. This is
Speaker 3: this is Colombian stuff. They started with this the plastic
Speaker 3: surgery to kind of originate that. Because the drug dealers
Speaker 3: that were running drugs down here to Texas liked some
Speaker 3: of the white girls that had big tits. Then they
Speaker 3: put that over there, and now people go fly over
Speaker 3: there to get this.
Speaker 4: It's it's that pervasive.
Speaker 2: So again Brazilian buttler. But yes, yes, right, but.
Speaker 3: You go to you can go to Columbia to get it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure other other countries do it now.
Speaker 3: So it's it's not just drugs, it's culture, our movies,
Speaker 3: our music, it's all drug culture. Like we if we
Speaker 3: want to talk about make America great again, we cannot.
Speaker 3: It cannot be with the bones of a cartel or
Speaker 3: really a CIA dark ops culture. It's got to be removed.
Speaker 3: It's a cancer. It's got to be removed right from
Speaker 3: right from the source.
Speaker 2: How do you do with thing too?
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, inter reptop, but we're all right. So we're
Speaker 6: talking about Venezuela a little bit. But what was it
Speaker 6: l Salvador where you had that instance of the president
Speaker 6: purging all of the MS thirteen members because he found
Speaker 6: at the top of it was satanism. They were sacrificing children.
Speaker 6: I just think it's interesting because that's listen.
Speaker 3: I will say, well, let's preface this to the audience
Speaker 3: that's not as conspiratorial as.
Speaker 4: Us Bouque did.
Speaker 3: That he said that to Tucker Carlson, but it came
Speaker 3: over to me is very like satanic panic. He's trying
Speaker 3: to invoke that in people like but it is true.
Speaker 3: But he said it because he wants to have a
Speaker 3: reaction from people to say, we got to get these
Speaker 3: people the hell out of here. They're literally they are
Speaker 3: doing human sacrifice. But it is kind of a hey,
Speaker 3: you know, let's move. This is something that everybody's been
Speaker 3: aware of to some degree. Like I said, the FBI,
Speaker 3: right has all these and so, but the way they
Speaker 3: did it was as if to move to public the public,
Speaker 3: to shift public opinion.
Speaker 2: I think, well, you got to keep in mind to
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson's audience is still largely Christian conservative, so that
Speaker 2: will appeal to them tremendously. So he knows his audience.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, it's worth mentioning here. We're talking about this
Speaker 6: deep state thing. Right, there's a gang of Venezuelan gang
Speaker 6: called trend think of pronouncing that right, Okay, So so
Speaker 6: Aragua uh and they're finding out allegedly that this is
Speaker 6: actually breaking as of like two hours ago. These gangs
Speaker 6: are being backed and funded by the Venezuelan government to
Speaker 6: uh create some sort of next dimension warfare asset. I
Speaker 6: mean that's language that that Alex Jones is using. But
Speaker 6: obviously there this isn't a surprising idea, the idea that
Speaker 6: a government would use Oh don't look at that.
Speaker 5: Those are just African people on each other's shoulders.
Speaker 6: But this this idea that a government would use gangs
Speaker 6: in order to push whatever agenda kind of create maybe
Speaker 6: what would you call it, like where you would infiltrate
Speaker 6: a protest movement with a with an agent provocateur. It's
Speaker 6: basically the idea of like an agent provocateur, but on
Speaker 6: a large scale, utilizing a gang. So it's like a
Speaker 6: Hegelian dialect right problem reaction solution, or they create the
Speaker 6: problem using this gang, the public reacts, and then the
Speaker 6: Venezuelan government swoops in and offers a solution that's not new,
Speaker 6: that's kind of an old playbook. So once again just
Speaker 6: plays into the idea that that's more than likely what
Speaker 6: we're doing here.
Speaker 2: Let me let me let me interject though, because that's
Speaker 2: exactly my point is that I think you guys are
Speaker 2: falling prey to the Hooglien dialectic, and the offered solution
Speaker 2: will basically limit our rights, domestically, create a ton of conflict,
Speaker 2: put a ton of money in the military industrial complex
Speaker 2: coffers uh, and also enable additional surveillance tools and things
Speaker 2: of that nature that violate our rights. So let me
Speaker 2: let me let me also add oh, go ahead.
Speaker 6: I was just going to say, you're not completely incorrect.
Speaker 6: It's just that I look for from from a from
Speaker 6: a point of view of like this is an unstoppable thing,
Speaker 6: whatever's unfolding right now. That's like standing in the way
Speaker 6: of the Patriot Act. You know it would have been today.
Speaker 2: Still a good idea to do, though, I mean, Patriot
Speaker 2: Act is definitely a disaster, and no I agree. But
Speaker 2: I think the people that the people that tell the
Speaker 2: truth even when it's unpopular, even when the fight isn't
Speaker 2: able to be one, they then are listened to ten
Speaker 2: or twenty years down the road. That's the whole legacy
Speaker 2: of Ron Paul and and the better aspects of libertarian
Speaker 2: movement is that when we oppose the warrantearor we look,
Speaker 2: we were called un American and traders and everything else.
Speaker 2: I'm going to suffer that same fate when it comes
Speaker 2: to the inevitable war as you see it with Mexico
Speaker 2: or the cartels. I still think it's the right position
Speaker 2: to hold. And you know, yeah, at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, I have one voice, and I may not prevail.
Speaker 2: There still may be a fight, but I think that
Speaker 2: it's like the risk reward on this is really lopsided.
Speaker 2: And let me let me add to because I didn't
Speaker 2: really get to the other details of how I would
Speaker 2: remedy this, like so we don't know where the fentanyls is,
Speaker 2: Like who is actually responsible for this, CIA, CCP, Cartel's
Speaker 2: all of them working in tandem. I'm not sure my
Speaker 2: answer as always, and I know this is one that
Speaker 2: you guys both oppose, but I genuinely believe that if
Speaker 2: you want to defund these organizations, you need to legalize
Speaker 2: these drugs. And I don't mean legalize in the sense
Speaker 2: of Colorado or California, where you add on top of
Speaker 2: that so much tax is that there's still a black market,
Speaker 2: the cartels still function and they're still doing fine. I
Speaker 2: mean actually legalized and not tax and just drive the
Speaker 2: prices of cocaine and heroin everything through the floor. Then
Speaker 2: reallocate all of the resources from DEEA to treatment facilities
Speaker 2: to help with the homeless. Then also simultaneously, you need
Speaker 2: to make it illegal to be on public land for
Speaker 2: you know, weeks or months, basically make it so that
Speaker 2: the homeless can no longer camp camp out and destroy
Speaker 2: these cities. This is a very unpopular libertarian position to hold,
Speaker 2: but I genuinely believe it's right. I think that public
Speaker 2: property ought to be treated as if it would if
Speaker 2: it was held by a private owner. And yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: stop ranting, but I think those would be the like
Speaker 2: holistic libertarian approaches that remedy much of this without having
Speaker 2: a hot war with the cartels. And let me just
Speaker 2: add one other variable, which I know you guys are
Speaker 2: already familiar with. But as I've said, the cartels are
Speaker 2: already embedded in every major city and most small towns
Speaker 2: in America. So if you expect to have kind of
Speaker 2: a war on terror, but a war on cartel's style
Speaker 2: attack on this. And if you believe that these people
Speaker 2: are in fact terrorists, which I don't, but they do.
Speaker 2: Some of them are certainly capable of you know, terroristic
Speaker 2: type of activity. They've hung you know, politicians and police
Speaker 2: in Mexico, and they do that to send a message obviously,
Speaker 2: because they're defending their territory and they're you know, like
Speaker 2: they're they're they're not al Qaeda, but they are very dangerous.
Speaker 2: They are here. That is the big difference between that
Speaker 2: and the War on Terror. There was always this argument that, oh,
Speaker 2: we have the sleeper cells and we're going to be
Speaker 2: struck at any moment, and it was like that was
Speaker 2: a lie over and over again that there was not
Speaker 2: you know, hundreds and thousands of sleeper cells that were
Speaker 2: all across the United States. If there were, we would
Speaker 2: have had a series of attacks for every couple months
Speaker 2: for the entire twenty years that we were in Afghanistan.
Speaker 2: It didn't happen, because I don't think that that was
Speaker 2: ever true. This is different. The cartels are fucking here.
Speaker 2: I know that for a fact because they funnel their
Speaker 2: drugs here and everybody buys the drugs, so they're definitely here.
Speaker 2: So I think that that's the one thing that concerns
Speaker 2: me most about this is that if they do decide
Speaker 2: to fight back, like say, you start to run predator
Speaker 2: drones over Jalisco and you're like going after one of
Speaker 2: the leaders of the cartel, do you think that they
Speaker 2: will just sit on their hands and take that. I
Speaker 2: don't think they will think. I think that they will
Speaker 2: escalate in hopes of de escalating, basically saying, we're not
Speaker 2: going to just bear all of the brunt of your
Speaker 2: CIA operations and your Black ops and your Navy seals
Speaker 2: coming and fucking us up. We're gonna make it so
Speaker 2: that the American population has to deal with this too. Now,
Speaker 2: what will happen with that? Certainly it'll inflame the passions
Speaker 2: of the American people and they'll say, fuck, these people
Speaker 2: invade Mexico and do you know take that on. Well,
Speaker 2: there's I don't know, eighty million innocent people or however,
Speaker 2: fucking many people there are in Mexico that I don't
Speaker 2: really want to have put them in a position of,
Speaker 2: you know, the iraqis, which is kind of what we're
Speaker 2: talking about. So I just feel like people are being like,
Speaker 2: it's very it's very reminiscent to me, particularly as an
Speaker 2: old head who lived, as you know, barely an adult
Speaker 2: through nine to eleven. The vibe is so similar. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, like, I know you guys were younger when
Speaker 2: it happened, but I'm telling you as a young man
Speaker 2: and the energy of like we got hit on nine eleven,
Speaker 2: let's just fucking go kill somebody, very similar to how
Speaker 2: people are reacting to the fentanyl crisis and saying I've
Speaker 2: lost a cousin, I've lost a father, a son, and
Speaker 2: they're just like, let's kill and im. And I'm just
Speaker 2: cautioning people.
Speaker 6: That's why I just died within two weeks ago. Some
Speaker 6: kid that I grew up with is So this is
Speaker 6: a really it's terrible.
Speaker 4: It has Can you pull up the video that I
Speaker 4: have down here, Clint Sure?
Speaker 6: And I just want to say, because I have a
Speaker 6: feeling Top's gonna have a lot to say on this.
Speaker 6: As far as my opinion on these things, I also
Speaker 6: don't believe that we should be engaging in a hot war.
Speaker 6: I don't believe that we should be like it is
Speaker 6: the same thing like even the idea of terrorists. Right
Speaker 6: by by definition, you're never gonna win a war on terror,
Speaker 6: terror as a state of mind, on drugs or the
Speaker 6: war on drug you're never gonna win that either. I
Speaker 6: don't agree with starting this large scale thing. I just recognize,
Speaker 6: you know, you just.
Speaker 2: Think it's inevitable, Okay, Yeah, right, here, go ahead, Tom,
Speaker 2: But we're.
Speaker 7: Over there fighting and dying over that border looking for problems.
Speaker 7: Why don't we take those resources and quit pretending we
Speaker 7: can defend those borders and put them on our borders
Speaker 7: and take care of our needs here.
Speaker 3: Okay, So there's Ron Paul talking about sort of what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, and I'm not again, I don't who wants
Speaker 3: a war with your neighbor, And it's who wants a
Speaker 3: war with your neighbor that's literally your neighbor, not somebody
Speaker 3: just across a southern border. They're here, But I'm also
Speaker 3: very aware of the fact that they are here. And
Speaker 3: what you said, Clint, the ways, the holistic ways to
Speaker 3: destabilize the cartel, which is the CIA, or at least
Speaker 3: you know they work very closely together. That's going to
Speaker 3: inflame them. And they understand that, even with the cabinet picks,
Speaker 3: they understand that this is an attempt at destabilization what
Speaker 3: they're doing.
Speaker 2: And it's it's like, oh, I think if you were
Speaker 2: to legalize drugs there would be false flag attacks to
Speaker 2: try and to try and make this war happen faster.
Speaker 2: I do, Yep, we are. That's probably unpopular amongst uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the decriminalization camp. But I think it's true.
Speaker 4: We're in it.
Speaker 3: Where as far as I'm concerned, what Trump did was
Speaker 3: instead of like these false flag attacks, it almost makes
Speaker 3: it like, uh, well here's the guy that's doing it,
Speaker 3: because yeah, we are going to get false flag attacks
Speaker 3: and it'll probably be coming from freaking Mexican people because
Speaker 3: we're going to be disrupting their cash flow. And these
Speaker 3: guys don't fuck around with that. It's part of their religion.
Speaker 3: It's like they have it basically, they have no morals.
Speaker 3: They said, oh, we accept everyone, like that's part of
Speaker 3: the tenets of their religion. But it's not really we
Speaker 3: accept the hook or the prostitute. It like they just
Speaker 3: have no standards or morals they worship. Who are you
Speaker 3: talking about Cartel's cartels? This is yeah, the santime. I
Speaker 3: actually I disagree with that there. I mean, yeah, you're
Speaker 3: certainly right. Some of the gangs are like that. Some
Speaker 3: of the gangs are not.
Speaker 2: Some of the gangs really like run the government of
Speaker 2: Mexico and they you know, they protect women and children,
Speaker 2: they protect businesses. It's like it's old school Italian mob shit.
Speaker 2: Like But then there's also aspects of it that are that
Speaker 2: are satanic and that they are you know, do all
Speaker 2: sorts of wild ship.
Speaker 3: They do that great stuff in Chihuahua, but they don't
Speaker 3: do that in Colorado. They don't give a fuck. They're
Speaker 3: here to make money, they don't they Again.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree with that. Yeah. No, the best
Speaker 2: largely the domestic cartel members are just here to move product.
Speaker 3: Yes, and if you're in their way, it's a problem.
Speaker 3: You're going to be out of that way.
Speaker 6: Of course, this is probably also the pains of like,
Speaker 6: if we really are seeing Trump wrestling with this deep
Speaker 6: state and these things are all connected, then you know
Speaker 6: we're gonna see a lot more of this and so
Speaker 6: in that in that way, I'm not advocating it for it,
Speaker 6: but I do wonder if we are to see this thing,
Speaker 6: this element within our own government torn out by the
Speaker 6: roots and cast it out where we're going to see
Speaker 6: a lot of apparatus that's attached to them go with them,
Speaker 6: and they're going to go kicking and screaming. So are
Speaker 6: we going to see more of this? But I want
Speaker 6: to ask you something clear. A war we can win
Speaker 6: for it's a war that we can win. It's gonna
Speaker 6: but it's gonna be nasty, and that's gonna be man
Speaker 6: to our own soil.
Speaker 4: So from.
Speaker 2: After everything I just said about all of the other
Speaker 2: wars that we've just lived through, why do you why
Speaker 2: is this war winnable? Because I don't see it because
Speaker 2: it's an actual war. It's a war that we have
Speaker 2: to win. It's a war for your country. It's inside
Speaker 2: of your country. It's going to happen. The people have
Speaker 2: expressed their displeasure with the way the government has been run,
Speaker 2: and the government from the Obama administration and then the
Speaker 2: entire Joe Biden administration has done their best to flood
Speaker 2: this country with illegals. That was done on purpose, dude.
Speaker 2: This is a time bomb. I agree with that they
Speaker 2: flooded the country with enemy combatant fighters that are military
Speaker 2: sold men, military age men, that are their soldiers that
Speaker 2: are on their payroll, dude. And it's it's the shadow
Speaker 2: government that we don't want. And honestly, I don't even
Speaker 2: think I don't even think the votes are correct. We
Speaker 2: were speaking to Jonathan Herold the other day. I think
Speaker 2: it was like seventy nine million votes for Trump and
Speaker 2: something like seventy six for Harris. I think that there
Speaker 2: were a lot more for Trump. I think it was Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that these numbers are skewed. I think that
Speaker 2: the people in the United States have had enough. The
Speaker 2: people in the United States are not retarded. I think
Speaker 2: that they've had enough. And the sentiment is showing that.
Speaker 2: Even the popular media, which I'm outspoken against, like the
Speaker 2: the Andrew Shouls and people like that, who are now
Speaker 2: pro Trump or whatever it is, it doesn't matter. The
Speaker 2: sentiment is now moved towards this right the right wing,
Speaker 2: and not the old right wing. It's moved towards this
Speaker 2: America First sort of sentiment, which could be very dangerous,
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be dangerous because it's going to be
Speaker 2: used against us.
Speaker 4: But what do you do.
Speaker 3: The wheels have been set in motion, We've been we've so,
Speaker 3: we've been presented with here, these are your choices. You
Speaker 3: can eat shit, and we can continue as we are.
Speaker 3: But it seems like the people have decided that they
Speaker 3: don't want that anymore. So any kind of improvements that
Speaker 3: we make are going to be met with false flag
Speaker 3: syop after syop, and then we're gonna be left whole
Speaker 3: in the bag, confused why this is happening.
Speaker 6: We know there's a lot like it's either each shit
Speaker 6: or you can you can walk through that fire over there.
Speaker 5: But but I want to ask you.
Speaker 4: Something, When do you want to walk through the fire? Clint?
Speaker 3: I mean that this is again, I don't want to
Speaker 3: who wants to go to war. I don't want to
Speaker 3: have a gun in my hand and have to fight.
Speaker 3: But when do you want to walk through it? They've
Speaker 3: already set up the coals, and they're like, as the
Speaker 3: more we wait, they're just getting hotter.
Speaker 4: Man, We're gonna have.
Speaker 6: To stay with the financial bubble, right It's like do
Speaker 6: we keep allowing it to inflate or do we just
Speaker 6: face the fucking music at some point? But but you
Speaker 6: said something earlier, Clint, about you mentioned the culture and
Speaker 6: and this kind of sentiment right now of going to
Speaker 6: war with the cartel, and it almost sounded like, and
Speaker 6: I feel like we're agreeing about a lot of things here.
Speaker 6: It almost sounded like you suggested it was a it
Speaker 6: was a product of where we are culturally. When I
Speaker 6: and I don't want to put words in your mouth,
Speaker 6: I just want to say what that evokes in my mind,
Speaker 6: is this idea that we are being whether it's mk
Speaker 6: Ultra or whatever, down this path to engineer public sentiment
Speaker 6: about a thing, and it's been welling up beneath the
Speaker 6: surface by design until we get to this point where
Speaker 6: this fucking thing is happening on the horizon and it's
Speaker 6: almost inevitable. But it's certainly like you were saying with
Speaker 6: the nine to eleven idea, it's like we got to
Speaker 6: go over there and kill them because they engineered that
Speaker 6: sentiment within us. And I feel like I've been watching
Speaker 6: that unfold on Twitter for the past I don't know
Speaker 6: how long.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 6: Previously in a pressure cooker, we weren't allowed to talk
Speaker 6: about it, and then Twitter was the release valve. But
Speaker 6: I'd be interested in knowing a little bit more. What
Speaker 6: did you mean by that? Or am I mischaracterizing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, no, I mean certainly some aspects of that.
Speaker 2: But then also I think that the culture is that
Speaker 2: like we've been beaten down for so long that we're
Speaker 2: finally on top, and now we got to take it
Speaker 2: out on somebody, like well, there's a lot of there's
Speaker 2: a lot of resentment, there's a lot of anger that's
Speaker 2: built up in the American people, especially young men in
Speaker 2: this country, and I'm fearful like this, there's this tendency,
Speaker 2: particularly when we are starting to identify that there are
Speaker 2: people in our own government that are our enemy and
Speaker 2: that perceive us as their enemies, and that they've been
Speaker 2: doing everything in their power to subjugate and destroy us,
Speaker 2: that they would very much like for us to point
Speaker 2: that energy abroad, Like that's what they do historically, is
Speaker 2: the whole divide and conquer tactics. So that's more. What
Speaker 2: I mean is that, like the culture is one of
Speaker 2: kind of this like almost revivalist where and and you
Speaker 2: can you can feel it with people talking about like
Speaker 2: like Trumph he bitch slapped you know, the president of
Speaker 2: Columbia and uh and now we're gonna take over Iceland
Speaker 2: and we're gonna, you know, rename the Golf of Mexico
Speaker 2: the Gulf of America and and like all this shit
Speaker 2: is like it's just to me, it's it's indicative of
Speaker 2: a culture that was like beat down and now we
Speaker 2: want to we want to demonstrate that we're still powerful,
Speaker 2: that we still have something about us that's like conquest oriented.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, like the the male instinct is one of like,
Speaker 2: when you're doing well, you're conquering, And I'm of the
Speaker 2: of the opinion that like, we're not actually doing well
Speaker 2: enough to even consider conquering other lands, like we have
Speaker 2: so so much domestically, that's that's wrong, that if we
Speaker 2: don't get our own household in order, we're going to
Speaker 2: go through the final innings of inevitable empire collapse while
Speaker 2: trying to take on you know, Greenland and whatever, all
Speaker 2: with the intention of an eventual world war to decide
Speaker 2: who will be the global hedgemon. Because I genuinely believe
Speaker 2: that's what that's about. I mean, the only reason you
Speaker 2: want that land mass is because it's up near the
Speaker 2: Arctic or whatever, the northern I think it's the Arctic.
Speaker 2: Is that the Arctic?
Speaker 5: Because it's bad geographically?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, I got Columbia spelled wrong yesterday and
Speaker 2: got destroyed for it. So but anyways, now Clint, that's right,
Speaker 2: which changes that.
Speaker 5: You tell people.
Speaker 2: It's the Gulf of America and it's Columbia. Fuck you.
Speaker 2: But anyways, I think that that's what Iceland's all about,
Speaker 2: is like that is that is definitely an attack vector
Speaker 2: for Russia. And and more broadly China. By the way,
Speaker 2: I got to bring up to that theh the Deep
Speaker 2: Seek AI. Did you guys hear about this?
Speaker 4: No, only briefly.
Speaker 3: It's like a Chinese AI that is outpacing a chat
Speaker 3: GPT or open oy.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so somebody got it.
Speaker 2: So we're we're putting together billions and billions, if not
Speaker 2: trillions of dollars of resources. We're using these you know,
Speaker 2: computer processors that are top of the line, and we're
Speaker 2: doing all this shit, just just spending like as if
Speaker 2: it's an arms race, because it really is, because it's
Speaker 2: really to like decide who's going to control the next century.
Speaker 2: And the Chinese come through and they just go, hey,
Speaker 2: we're just going to drop a couple of decimals off
Speaker 2: of the like the calculations, and sure it'll only be
Speaker 2: ninety percent as accurate, but it'll actually be like five
Speaker 2: hundred percent more efficient. And that's what they did, and
Speaker 2: with like five million bucks, they created a better AI
Speaker 2: called Deep Seek than our most advanced AI, which we
Speaker 2: had put like a trillion dollars into the economy. The
Speaker 2: economy is plummeting today as a commonsequence of that. In video,
Speaker 2: all of these stocks are just plummeting.
Speaker 3: I downloaded it. I made it an account because I
Speaker 3: have no loyalty to whatever the fuck these technocrats are doing.
Speaker 3: I put in our latest episode transcript with Jonathan Harold
Speaker 3: where we talked about Donald Trump and this executive order
Speaker 3: and all this, and guess what they said, we can't
Speaker 3: do anything with this because it violates our terms. So
Speaker 3: fucking put it in chat GPT maybe a very nice summary.
Speaker 3: We have that episode coming out in a few days,
Speaker 3: so you know, use it if you want to. I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's faster or whatever, but it's just
Speaker 3: more Chinese bullshit. That's that's what I'll say about it.
Speaker 3: I did one thing with that. I was like, fuck
Speaker 3: this lead.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you might be right, and I mean
Speaker 2: most of our ais have similar, uh you know, safety
Speaker 2: precautions and rail guards, so you know, it is what
Speaker 2: it is. Anyways, the reason I bring it up is like,
Speaker 2: it's just to me, it's another example. And maybe you're right,
Speaker 2: maybe this is like snake oil and China hasn't actually
Speaker 2: kicked our ass the way they have. But I've read
Speaker 2: a lot of like lengthy threads by people that are
Speaker 2: experts in the AI field, and they're convinced that, yes,
Speaker 2: we're getting our fucking teeth kicked in by the Chinese
Speaker 2: doing it with you know, a fraction of the money, uh,
Speaker 2: with the fraction of the team, the fraction of the resources, fact,
Speaker 2: fraction of the government involvement, and then they just made
Speaker 2: it open source to prove that, like, yeah, we're fucking
Speaker 2: crushing you guys. Good luck.
Speaker 6: So it's a matter though, the idea that we would
Speaker 6: associate this thing with we we getting our asses kicked.
Speaker 6: It's like Elon Musk said, it hit himself right, we
Speaker 6: are summoning the demon or some shit like that is
Speaker 6: the language that he used when he talked about the
Speaker 6: development of AI. It's like, can remember happens whoever gets
Speaker 6: there first? This thing is going to become a worldwide phenomenon,
Speaker 6: and hold on, hold are overloorered before?
Speaker 2: Same hold on, hold on, same argument with the nuclear
Speaker 2: bomb though, And it is irrefutable that yes, that was
Speaker 2: hard harnessed. I mean, this isn't irrefutable. This was probably
Speaker 2: more in alignment with your spiritual beliefs, but certainly from
Speaker 2: my vantage point, even as a non religious person, like
Speaker 2: that was harnessing the power of demons like that was
Speaker 2: that was ultimate ultimate power at the time. And as
Speaker 2: a consequence of that, though, despite my objections to nuclear weaponry,
Speaker 2: as a consequence America became the global hedgemon for the
Speaker 2: next seventy five years. So I disagree with your assessment
Speaker 2: that this doesn't matter, that like, whoever gets at the
Speaker 2: top of the line AI will be in the catbird
Speaker 2: seat for the next time.
Speaker 4: I think it does matter.
Speaker 5: But how long is that going to be? Guys a month?
Speaker 6: Think about where we even having this conversation around AI
Speaker 6: two years ago. Two years ago, it was creating images
Speaker 6: that were so obtuse it didn't even It was like
Speaker 6: a laughable thing that this would ever be utilized for
Speaker 6: any serious purpose. And now here we sit where it's
Speaker 6: like creating videos and images that are indiscernible from you know, reality.
Speaker 5: In one year, it's gonna be done.
Speaker 6: I don't know what it's gonna be, but yeah, it
Speaker 6: made us the global hegemen for seventy five years. This
Speaker 6: is going to make somebody the global hegemen for about
Speaker 6: an afternoon before the fucking agree again.
Speaker 2: I disagree though, because this the way it works is
Speaker 2: that whoever creates. The first one that is truly self
Speaker 2: learning will be at such a competitive advance that it'll
Speaker 2: it'll self teach, so it'll it'll grow exponentially. So whoever
Speaker 2: gets that lead maintains that lead in perpetuity theoretically, Now.
Speaker 3: If you can keep it under control, can you pull
Speaker 3: up the picture that they're put there?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, it's just God, really you're going to do this?
Speaker 3: This was This was AI in twenty twelve. Okay, so
Speaker 3: this is before we even knew about this ship the government.
Speaker 3: I see listen, I guess it's conspiracy. I guess it's
Speaker 3: But can we can we agree on a soft soft
Speaker 3: softly agree that the government kind of operates ten years
Speaker 3: ahead of us. So what they just showed us, like
Speaker 3: what China just showed us, I don't think that that's everything.
Speaker 6: That's true they have, Whatever they really have, this is
Speaker 6: smoking mirrors what we got maybe what we have as
Speaker 6: a people.
Speaker 2: So what there was I hope you're right, but I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure though.
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, I think it's the same way Clint
Speaker 6: that you're you're saying that there's a some degree of
Speaker 6: cultural engineering within the public sentiment to be down with
Speaker 6: murdering the cart you know, waging war against the cartel
Speaker 6: is the same way that we we just we have
Speaker 6: these these things.
Speaker 5: We're not I don't know how to put it, like,
Speaker 5: we're not now. I don't have a good way of
Speaker 5: framing this.
Speaker 6: Uh, I don't know what what's that?
Speaker 9: Top?
Speaker 5: Somebody saved me from this. I had.
Speaker 6: I had an analogy, but I realized it was it
Speaker 6: was bullshit and it fell apart in my hands.
Speaker 5: It's gone.
Speaker 2: That's never stopped you in the past.
Speaker 5: No, I was gonna go. I was like, you can
Speaker 5: ramble your way through this, fucking found out I can't.
Speaker 2: All Right, Well, anyways, look, I think I understand your position, Top,
Speaker 2: but let's let's make it explicit. Are you saying that
Speaker 2: we ought to just go to war with the cartels?
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying that it's inevitable. But I'm saying, uh,
Speaker 3: basically declaring a war with the cartels is it just
Speaker 3: seems to make sense because it's where we're headed anyway.
Speaker 3: If you want to improve the country in any meaningful way,
Speaker 3: we're going to be going to war. And I I
Speaker 3: think what I think is is that it will be
Speaker 3: the cartels it will be. It'll be the people that
Speaker 3: have been implanted in this country over the last four years,
Speaker 3: the enemy combatants, the ones that are paid by the
Speaker 3: people who hate us. It will be those people that
Speaker 3: will be going to war with us. So what do
Speaker 3: we do about it? You have to can we pull
Speaker 3: this up? I think this is actually a good contribute
Speaker 3: to the conversation. So this is something that's gone viral
Speaker 3: in the past couple of days. It's a series of
Speaker 3: coordinates you could put into Google Earth and you can
Speaker 3: find this what appears to be a lumber yard or
Speaker 3: something like that in La.
Speaker 5: I actually look this up.
Speaker 6: There's a grid mode on Google Earth because it turns
Speaker 6: out you can't copy and paste the coordinates very well.
Speaker 6: And so I was able to find this using Longitudin's Latin.
Speaker 6: And this is a real thing in La. Now this
Speaker 6: has gone considerably viral.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: This one has fifty seven point four million views and
Speaker 6: this was posted just yesterday. Now, the reason that I'm
Speaker 6: highlighting this this lumber yard. You can see there's the
Speaker 6: word help TRAFFICO Federales something I don't know how you
Speaker 6: would pronounce that. Federals and sods is also spelled among
Speaker 6: these things. The point the reason that I'm bringing this up,
Speaker 6: somebody's doing an investigation on it.
Speaker 5: Currently.
Speaker 6: There's a guy named like La guy I think his
Speaker 6: name is on X and he's actually doing like man
Speaker 6: on the street groundwork. He's going up to homeless people.
Speaker 6: He's asking them about it. And this is a well
Speaker 6: known phenomenon in the area. But obviously with the words
Speaker 6: trafco and shit like that in there, LAPD help help
Speaker 6: help this is, you know, have it has all of
Speaker 6: the trappings of a human trafficking scenario. I bring it
Speaker 6: up because it's at fifty seven point four million views.
Speaker 6: This is hugely important to people. I mean, obviously it's
Speaker 6: got this bent that it's a mystery too. People want
Speaker 6: to solve the mystery. That's got some virality in it.
Speaker 5: It is very sexy.
Speaker 6: But look, it's like we're talking about could we would
Speaker 6: we get into a war with the cartel that right there,
Speaker 6: that fifty seven point four million associated with this human
Speaker 6: trafficking incident here in La I think that speaks to
Speaker 6: the public sentiment.
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with this is actually no. This
Speaker 2: is actually a good example of why I'm right though,
Speaker 2: is that the investigator that you talked about went there
Speaker 2: on the ground interviewed the homeless lady and she goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's Jose. He's fucking crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Actually the guy's name was Help. So the guy's name
Speaker 5: was Help.
Speaker 6: And that's the idea, is that there's just this crazy
Speaker 6: guy that goes and says these things. But he starts
Speaker 6: talking to the workers. The workers are getting pretty aggravated
Speaker 6: with them. Look, I mean, you got to admit if
Speaker 6: you're if English isn't your first language, and some guy
Speaker 6: just comes up to him and starts asking you about
Speaker 6: who's spelling help in the lumber yard, You're probably gonna
Speaker 6: get a little uncomfortable and have some strange body language.
Speaker 5: But the whole thing was a little uncanny.
Speaker 6: When he's talking to these people, it seems like they
Speaker 6: would much rather not talk about what's happening on the
Speaker 6: other side of the fence.
Speaker 5: So I mean, yeah, it could just be this homeless guy.
Speaker 5: But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: Like I said, Clint, I agree with you on the
Speaker 6: idea that we shouldn't do this, But this right here,
Speaker 6: this fifty seven point four million, Like I said, it's
Speaker 6: not about whether or not this is real. It could
Speaker 6: easily be the guy's name was help look just for
Speaker 6: the audience. The way that it's kind of being explained
Speaker 6: is back in New Jersey, I used to see a
Speaker 6: lot of common graffiti. There would be p K that
Speaker 6: was the guy's name, it was his tag, right, And
Speaker 6: there would be kid kid and that was his tag,
Speaker 6: and they would put them in crazy locations. They're kind
Speaker 6: of saying, like, help, is this dude's name? That's his like,
Speaker 6: you know, crazy sort of artist tagger name strange because
Speaker 6: I don't know if his middle name is Trafico or
Speaker 6: his last name is Lapd. But he saw fit to
Speaker 6: toss those elements in there. But at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, it doesn't matter if this is real. Fifty
Speaker 6: seven point four million people in one day.
Speaker 3: Also listen it's it's It doesn't matter if it's if
Speaker 3: that instance is real. But now this isn't a public
Speaker 3: conscious that's happening. We know that we know that people
Speaker 3: are being raped like constantly. The UN admits to it.
Speaker 3: They were handing out rape kits to the people that
Speaker 3: were going across the border and making the trek through
Speaker 3: Mexico and El Salvador in those places. So this is happening.
Speaker 3: The human trafficking thing is a huge problem. Again, I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna sit here and advocate for human trafficking. I
Speaker 3: don't give a fuck. But what I will say is
Speaker 3: that they're making tons of money off this shit. And
Speaker 3: not only are they making tons of money, we know
Speaker 3: that our government's complicit.
Speaker 4: We know that, listen.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's fairly safe to say that some
Speaker 3: of our politicians are partaking. And there's also it's also
Speaker 3: pretty fair to say that we have you know, Alex
Speaker 3: Rosen going out there and busting the regular pedophile, but
Speaker 3: these people that are running these operations and getting all
Speaker 3: this money no problem. Actually, you know, you know who
Speaker 3: was actually busting these people, Donald Trump twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: And then we got.
Speaker 6: Coget that this people didn't know that the first Trump administration,
Speaker 6: there was a lot of powering bus but they weren't
Speaker 6: in conjunction as if it was part of a larger operation,
Speaker 6: and they went pretty much un reported on like they
Speaker 6: you know, there was articles, but they weren't sensationalized because
Speaker 6: during that administration, we were just busy with Orange Man
Speaker 6: is bad, right, and so most of the mainstream media
Speaker 6: wasn't commenting on it, but I was finding these articles
Speaker 6: on a weekly basis of the Trump administration breaking up
Speaker 6: anotherbstantial pedophile ring. I think it's interesting that we have
Speaker 6: this article that just came out that seventy five thousand
Speaker 6: migrant children have been located. These are apparently children that
Speaker 6: the Biden administration lost track of. I don't really know
Speaker 6: understand what that language means. I just saw this develop
Speaker 6: in the last couple of hours, and.
Speaker 2: Already I still find it hard to believe. Man, like
Speaker 2: you can't find like you may have found records to,
Speaker 2: you know, point you in the direction of where these
Speaker 2: kids were, but there's no way that in a less
Speaker 2: than a week Trump administration found seventy five thousand individual children.
Speaker 6: Let's let's say that that's that's You're right, that's not
Speaker 6: the case.
Speaker 5: He didn't do that.
Speaker 6: This is there there There could well be an effort
Speaker 6: to make this nature of thing synonymous with the Trump administration.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and clearly clearly there is, and that that was
Speaker 2: a lot in alignment with the Q phenomenon, and Trump
Speaker 2: played played right into that. Look, I think that the
Speaker 2: human human trafficking issue is is one that is very
Speaker 2: challenging for libertarians to deal with because they tend to
Speaker 2: be so anti war, but at the same time, like
Speaker 2: that is no but that is but it is also
Speaker 2: clearly such a you know, horrific violation of human rights
Speaker 2: on every level. Uh that that like it has to
Speaker 2: be stopped. I think that the question is how do
Speaker 2: you go about that? And can you trust Can you
Speaker 2: trust the Three letter agencies that that either either participated
Speaker 2: in it, covered up for it, or are the entire
Speaker 2: operation themselves. I don't know what can you trust them?
Speaker 2: Do you want to empower them to you know, deal
Speaker 2: with that issue? Like from my from my vantage point,
Speaker 2: like I would be much more trusting if and this
Speaker 2: is I know this sounds kind of crazy, but honestly
Speaker 2: I would be much more trusting if Trump was like
Speaker 2: I'm going to deputize retired Navy seals to stop this,
Speaker 2: like and not not active not guys looking for promotions,
Speaker 2: but just dudes that are like I want to fucking
Speaker 2: go save kids. Yeah, and we're going to give you
Speaker 2: a green light to fucking stop these these organizations and
Speaker 2: swede kids.
Speaker 3: We had January sixth, right, the January six ers kind
Speaker 3: of had the same idea, like, I'm going to stop
Speaker 3: this h injustice. They went they were smacked harder than
Speaker 3: anybody's been smacked in the last fucking hundred years.
Speaker 2: So this is but that was that was on the
Speaker 2: That was on the last day of Trump's presidency. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about on day seven of Trump's presidency, him deputizing
Speaker 2: Navy seals to go, hey, I don't trust the CIA, Like,
Speaker 2: if he was being honest. This is what bothers me
Speaker 2: the most about it is Trump will give lip service
Speaker 2: to the cartels and all this other shit, but he's not.
Speaker 2: He's not talking about what y'all are talking about. He's
Speaker 2: not talking about the CIA's participation. He's not talking about
Speaker 2: Operation Fast and Furious under Eric Holder, under the Obama administration.
Speaker 2: He's not talking about any of the shit. So, like,
Speaker 2: there's still a level of not being forthright. If he
Speaker 2: was being totally forthright, I would buy that, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're just interested in protecting these kids and stopping this process.
Speaker 2: There's something else happening here, because you're not telling me
Speaker 2: the full truth. Because I know that there's layers to
Speaker 2: this that you're not telling me about. And I know
Speaker 2: that they're real, So.
Speaker 6: I tell you what I suspect is happening. Clint, we
Speaker 6: talked about this. Either it was an appearance on Liberty
Speaker 6: Lockdown or it was the first pilot episode of Dangerous
Speaker 6: that we did. But I told you that I believe
Speaker 6: that we were going to see the Trump train, the
Speaker 6: vindication train, continue, and that he was gonna be vindicated
Speaker 6: even on the qan on front, is what I said. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And I think that the reason you are feeling like
Speaker 6: we're being siloed into this decision culturally and legislatively, like
Speaker 6: or you know, I certainly feel that way. It's been
Speaker 6: a build up for quite some time, is because this
Speaker 6: is a show on wheels on a track. We're being
Speaker 6: subjected to a series of events, and I know this
Speaker 6: is going to be maybe a little bit different for
Speaker 6: your audience, but I look at this all as though
Speaker 6: it's been theater, and this QAnon element that Trump is
Speaker 6: involved with that Clint brought up earlier is a major
Speaker 6: component to this story. And I do think that there
Speaker 6: are some aspects of the q phenomenon that were hyper
Speaker 6: sensationalized and certainly carried away with by you know, the nons,
Speaker 6: the people that are trying to disseminate or trying to
Speaker 6: dive through and and uh and and look through this
Speaker 6: information that's being disseminated by somebody who seems to have
Speaker 6: some sort of military intelligence aspect to them. I think
Speaker 6: there's a lot of truth within it. It's just they
Speaker 6: get carried away with all these other things. So I
Speaker 6: think we're going to have their.
Speaker 3: Own agenda, right, So, like, just as Clint is saying, like,
Speaker 3: I think, I think that I'm one hundred percent right
Speaker 3: about what's going on here with the cartels, with and
Speaker 3: with Mexico's allowance of it. But what they are going
Speaker 3: to they'll present a solution and then they'll also take
Speaker 3: more what they want. Maybe they want some kind of
Speaker 3: global conquests. I don't really know.
Speaker 6: But oh, this is not going to be like the
Speaker 6: biggest version of that, right, I mean, just imagine what
Speaker 6: the American people would consent to if it was all
Speaker 6: in the name of saving children and it was being
Speaker 6: asked of the American people by a guy that was
Speaker 6: just lionized to the highest degree.
Speaker 1: And I think that.
Speaker 3: It's I mean it is it is in the name
Speaker 3: of saving children. It is in the name of fentanyl.
Speaker 3: It is in the name of stopping me. I think
Speaker 3: meth metha fetamine is a drug that we should not
Speaker 3: allow in the United States. This is like there's.
Speaker 2: Nothing meth meth is not imported, that's cooked here. I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: it's important somewhat, but like there is meth labs all
Speaker 2: across this country.
Speaker 3: You're saying, like, do drugs. Do drugs if you want to,
Speaker 3: But methamphetamine is like dog, this is a gateway too.
Speaker 2: Methaphetamine and fentanyl are both absolutely life destroyers. I mean,
Speaker 2: fentanyl is much more lethal, but fentanyl, excuse me, meth
Speaker 2: like destroys the user in a very matter of well
Speaker 2: a matter of a few years. And you're like, you're
Speaker 2: a totally different person. Look I am again. I don't
Speaker 2: think I need to argue this. Ron Paul didn't use drugs.
Speaker 2: I don't use drugs. I'm not arguing for legalization for
Speaker 2: that purpose. I'm arguing that there is market demand that's
Speaker 2: not going to go away, and unless you want to
Speaker 2: live in a total police state, you're not going to
Speaker 2: get rid of these drugs. And and also the agencies
Speaker 2: that you're in trust with, these terrorism labels of the
Speaker 2: cartels to go after. These guys are the agencies that
Speaker 2: were participating in the drug trafficking operation from its inception.
Speaker 2: So there is just there is a layers to this
Speaker 2: that I think you guys understand. But a lot of
Speaker 2: the MAGA folks that are like, oh, the FBI is good,
Speaker 2: and fucking he's good, they're just not thinking this thing through.
Speaker 2: They're like, no, if we just stop the cartels and
Speaker 2: the fentanyl stops, and then my nephew doesn't die, you know,
Speaker 2: like that's how they're viewing this, and I just I
Speaker 2: just think they're wrong. I just don't think it's that simple.
Speaker 2: And I think that as a consequence of that, you
Speaker 2: will obviously see we already saw just a few hours
Speaker 2: ago the first shots being fired between cartel members and
Speaker 2: you know, border patrol or whoever that was. Fortunately no
Speaker 2: one was hit, so it won't it probably won't escalate
Speaker 2: things too dramatically, but at some point there will be
Speaker 2: American you know, servicemen or whatever government officials that get
Speaker 2: taken out by these cartels. And when that happens, it's
Speaker 2: fucking gloves off. It's going to go fast. And I
Speaker 2: think libertarians are not really on top of how serious
Speaker 2: the Trump administration is about this. Like you had Vivak
Speaker 2: who was on my show, actually I debated him about
Speaker 2: this topic. I also debated him about Taiwan, but he
Speaker 2: was talking about this, you know, a year ago when
Speaker 2: I had him on about how Mexico and the cartels
Speaker 2: and all this shit like this. In my opinion, this
Speaker 2: has been a narrative that they've been pushing for a
Speaker 2: long time because I think that they understand too that
Speaker 2: the you know, animal spirits or whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it of the American people has to be directed somewhere,
Speaker 2: and I think that they want to direct it at Mexico.
Speaker 2: I do I agree with that.
Speaker 6: Look, I mean, I think that most of this, like
Speaker 6: I said, I think most of it is is theater.
Speaker 6: And so when you were saying earlier that you don't
Speaker 6: understand why Trump isn't talking about the CIA involvement in
Speaker 6: these sorts of things, it's because it.
Speaker 5: Doesn't work right. You're awfully confused.
Speaker 6: I mean, anybody who's watching and listening awfully confused looking
Speaker 6: in from the outside, wondering why he's doing so many
Speaker 6: good things but he's not taking that extra step. And
Speaker 6: a lot of it starts to make sense when you
Speaker 6: realize that this is I like Trump. I like a
Speaker 6: lot of his his legislation, I like his politics. I
Speaker 6: like the you know, just the economy being better, right,
Speaker 6: it's like kind of what the average person is hungry
Speaker 6: for to be able to afford gas and groceries again
Speaker 6: without struggling. But I do think that we're getting, and
Speaker 6: only time is gonna tell, But I think we're getting
Speaker 6: like a trojan horse of sorts, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: where he's ruling up and with a particular.
Speaker 2: Record, Every every new tranch of war propaganda is always
Speaker 2: a trojan horse. It's never what you're being told. It's
Speaker 2: always at least, you know, fifty percent lies, And what
Speaker 2: you get as a consequence of that is never what's promised.
Speaker 2: In the beginning, we were not like we were promised
Speaker 2: that we were going to fucking defeat terrorism. Did that happen? Nope?
Speaker 2: Can we even make an argument that it like really
Speaker 2: diminished terrorism? Probably not. Did Iraq become some blossoming democracy,
Speaker 2: Fuck no, it didn't. What about Libya? What about you know,
Speaker 2: any of these others? Just go down the line. And
Speaker 2: I think that's the same thing with the Mexico issue,
Speaker 2: like people people go, oh, it's a it's a narco state.
Speaker 2: So yeah, of course, if you're gonna go after the cartelage,
Speaker 2: you got to go after the government too, and you
Speaker 2: know whatever, it's got to be fixed. This is our neighbor.
Speaker 2: We can't allow this to persist. Okay, well, what do
Speaker 2: you think is gonna happen? Are you gonna fucking nation
Speaker 2: build Mexico? Are you gonna conquer it? Is it gonna
Speaker 2: be part of America? Now? Do you want to have
Speaker 2: seventy one hundred million whatever Mexicans that are now American citizens?
Speaker 2: Are they gonna be? Are Palestinians moving forward? Like? People
Speaker 2: just don't fucking they don't think these things through. It's
Speaker 2: the exact same thing with Iraq, where like, well, how
Speaker 2: are the fucking she is? And soon as that everybody
Speaker 2: gonna get along afterwards, like we're not worried about that.
Speaker 2: We don't know anything about that. And I think it's
Speaker 2: the same thing here.
Speaker 6: It's embarrassing because this is the kind of plot that
Speaker 6: they make like children's entertainment out of you know what
Speaker 6: I mean. It's like you've got a kids show and
Speaker 6: like a there's somebody in town who creates a fleet
Speaker 6: of robots and then releases the robots on the town
Speaker 6: and they cause all kinds of havoc, and then all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, that person that created them steps out
Speaker 6: of the shadows and offers this solution, and everybody clamors,
Speaker 6: and the next thing, you know, he saves the day.
Speaker 6: He gets rid of the robots by turning the the
Speaker 6: fuck off. Uh, And then he says, all I gotta
Speaker 6: do is you know, have X, Y and Z. You
Speaker 6: got to allow me to have these powers, those powers,
Speaker 6: and everybody, you know happily.
Speaker 5: It's literally this ship.
Speaker 6: Like that's that's a rudimentary plot to a child's movie,
Speaker 6: and it's what we're being subjected to.
Speaker 2: I would argue, yeah, but they they run that same
Speaker 2: child's movie on over again.
Speaker 6: It's fucking I mean, look, if it's not broke, don't
Speaker 6: fix it, I guess, but it's embarrassing.
Speaker 2: But my argument is that it is broken, that that
Speaker 2: we have enough examples, and we have access to information
Speaker 2: through internet and decentralized things that like they there's no
Speaker 2: real excuse for people to be buying this same narrative again.
Speaker 2: And and that's that's The reason I wanted to have
Speaker 2: this conversation with you guys is that I think that
Speaker 2: that's the mistake, is that well, all right, so let
Speaker 2: me let me steal men. The differences here, the steel
Speaker 2: man of the differences here and why this might be
Speaker 2: a war with fighting, is that this is actually our homeland.
Speaker 2: This is actually our country. You know, like Iraq had
Speaker 2: no real chances of ever fucking with this. Iran doesn't either,
Speaker 2: you know, basically no foreign power does because we'll just
Speaker 2: everyone on earth will die. So like, we don't have
Speaker 2: a real issue with that. This is this is on
Speaker 2: our land. There are hundreds of thousands of people that
Speaker 2: have died of drug overdoses as a consequence of these drugs.
Speaker 2: Now I don't I still put some of the blame
Speaker 2: on the users because a lot of the people are
Speaker 2: doing these drugs voluntarily. But but a lot of these
Speaker 2: people are being poisoned because they don't even know that
Speaker 2: they're taking fennyl. That's obviously tragic.
Speaker 5: They were prescribed in opio eight by some sort of
Speaker 5: you know doctor.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that is industry. That's that's almost in every instance.
Speaker 2: People don't like just hop to fentanyl like they get
Speaker 2: prescribed oxy because because they they had a broken arm
Speaker 2: or they had back surgery, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden they're on street shit after their prescription runs out.
Speaker 2: Like that happens over and over again. So that's that's
Speaker 2: another part of my issue here is like none of
Speaker 2: this is holistic. But anyways, let me go back to
Speaker 2: steel Manning. So we're already suffering losses of Americans that
Speaker 2: are far far out out pace that of nine to
Speaker 2: eleven by a million miles. So I understand like the imperative.
Speaker 2: I also understand that you have at minimum eleven million
Speaker 2: over the past four years, and probably twenty to thirty
Speaker 2: million according to Steve Friend, thirty to forty million. That
Speaker 2: it came all cross over the past four years, which
Speaker 2: sounds fucking nuts to me, but maybe it's true. I
Speaker 2: don't know, if you believe in defending your country, if
Speaker 2: you are a nationalist libertarian, which most of my audience,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where they fall on that, but I
Speaker 2: think that like there is justification to say, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're being invaded and what do we do about that?
Speaker 2: Then you add to it kind of what could be
Speaker 2: argued is by a warfare with fentanyl and I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, that's very complicated. So like basically what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to grafficking element yeah, and then human trafficking. So
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is like, this is a much more
Speaker 2: justifiable claim to make, but it does not get rid
Speaker 2: of the lessons of the past. When it comes to
Speaker 2: the inability to actually topple corrupt governments and criminal organizations
Speaker 2: and fix these fucking places. They don't get better, they
Speaker 2: get worse. So I think that the.
Speaker 3: Don't care about Mexico. Fuck Mexico.
Speaker 2: But then but then the problem isn't fixed. Then top
Speaker 2: I understand you don't.
Speaker 6: Care argument that would have fallen for it again, agreed, Well.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: This is like we're taking steps towards it, and we're
Speaker 3: I think we're seeing like, uh, we're seeing the combatant
Speaker 3: become inflamed. So the first thing he did, like once
Speaker 3: he was sworn in, put his hand. He didnt even
Speaker 3: put his hand on the Bible, which is a whole
Speaker 3: other conversation. They shut down the border. They had guys
Speaker 3: they're ready to go. They clocked in at you know,
Speaker 3: eight am that day, and when he was ready twelve pm,
Speaker 3: that boom they shut down the border. So this is
Speaker 3: the step for healing, for this nation to heal is
Speaker 3: being taken. In my opinion, how you solve it would
Speaker 3: be shut down that border. Our relationship with Mexico has
Speaker 3: to be strict, tenuous, maybe even not combatant. But I
Speaker 3: wouldn't I wouldn't work with them. I would I would
Speaker 3: pressure them into every I would punish them.
Speaker 2: You have to, because they're not gonna do it otherwise obviously,
Speaker 2: or they would be doing it already.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and unfortunately, their people are going to suffer if
Speaker 3: you punish them with tariffs or imports things like that.
Speaker 3: But hey, listen, this has been going on for far
Speaker 3: too long. So Number one, you have to stop the bleeding.
Speaker 3: So there's our tourniquit.
Speaker 4: Number two.
Speaker 3: Now, we have all these people inside of our country,
Speaker 3: and I've looked at the numbers. I think ICE is
Speaker 3: deported like a thousand people a day. If you've deported
Speaker 3: a thousand people a day over three hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: five days a year, over four years, it does not
Speaker 3: equal the ten let's say ten million. It equals something
Speaker 3: like I don't know, like one point three million, which
Speaker 3: means that there's still eight million people that came here
Speaker 3: and I don't know who the fuck they are. They're
Speaker 3: here in our country doing god knows what. So it's like,
Speaker 3: what do you do to solve this problem? And no,
Speaker 3: it's not bomb Mexico, it's not in who cares about
Speaker 3: leave Mexico alone, it's inside here. So first thing, yes,
Speaker 3: cut off that border.
Speaker 4: They can't.
Speaker 3: There cannot be any cut off the border everywhere nobody
Speaker 3: comes into America because like we, we are poisoned right now.
Speaker 3: We need to figure out what's going on in our country.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely not what they're gonna do. And I understand
Speaker 3: what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Clinton.
Speaker 3: What they're gonna do is Iraq War three, you know,
Speaker 3: but it's in Mexico. It will be justifiably hilarious, but
Speaker 3: it's not gonna fucking solve what I want to be solved.
Speaker 6: Well, let's go back to what you just said. These
Speaker 6: people are here and they're doing god knows what. Right,
Speaker 6: So even if you eliminate the cartel aspect, we're not
Speaker 6: doing war with the cartel.
Speaker 5: Let's say that's off the table.
Speaker 6: Right, We're not doing that, but we are doing these
Speaker 6: mass deportations. Don't you feel as though like you look
Speaker 6: at the Colorado apartment situation where all these Venezuelan migrants
Speaker 6: are coming over and they're they're taking over, right, And
Speaker 6: they even got into a combative situation in the project
Speaker 6: buildings of Chicago. Where as bad as it is in Chicago,
Speaker 6: they were, you know, it was almost like they didn't
Speaker 6: know who to root for.
Speaker 5: Is it the Venezuela migrants? Do you have to voot
Speaker 5: for anybody?
Speaker 6: I don't know, But so you know, what happens is
Speaker 6: the government is gonna engage in this mass deportation. And
Speaker 6: I think what's gonna end up happening organ anyway, is
Speaker 6: because of the nature of what you're investigating, in the
Speaker 6: nature of who you're deporting, you're going to find that
Speaker 6: the cartel is embedded and that they're running all kinds
Speaker 6: of crazy operations in our own country.
Speaker 5: If we keep going down.
Speaker 6: This path of getting these people the fuck out of
Speaker 6: the country, we're gonna pull the curtain back on something.
Speaker 4: Here's here's what i'd suggest.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's though, for the record, no, I
Speaker 2: think that they already know that, and I know, but.
Speaker 6: I'm saying, what happens when you're gonna find the proof.
Speaker 6: We hold it up undeniably to the American people and go,
Speaker 6: look look what they're You.
Speaker 3: Need to you need to tell like somehow tell the
Speaker 3: American people because I'm I'm already there in my heart
Speaker 3: where if they showed me this stuff, they'll be like,
Speaker 3: here's all the kids they killed, here's all the money
Speaker 3: that we took. Yeah, we were cutting cocaine with fentanel
Speaker 3: on purpose, and we think it's funny because we're waging
Speaker 3: war against you. Cool, you could show me all that evidence.
Speaker 3: But if I have you out of my country, I
Speaker 3: am okay with just you being gone, Like fine, get
Speaker 3: the fuck out, But we have to start building again
Speaker 3: as a country. We can't know if you want to
Speaker 3: get you want to get focused on war again. And
Speaker 3: this is the message that we need to tell people.
Speaker 3: But there absolutely is a war coming and most likely
Speaker 3: we're gonna all have to fight and be of the
Speaker 3: same mindset of like, we have to understand this was happening,
Speaker 3: this is happening, and it needs to stop. Attacking Mexico
Speaker 3: and the Mexican people is not gonna stop it, but
Speaker 3: being like non negotiable with them shutting down our border
Speaker 3: and then completely draining our society of these people is
Speaker 3: what needs to happen. When we do that, that is
Speaker 3: going to cause false flag attacks, terrorist attacks. God only
Speaker 3: knows what is going to happen, but it has to
Speaker 3: happen because it has to stop.
Speaker 2: Well, then, I don't think we actually disagree, which is
Speaker 2: kind of surprising because your tweets make it seem like
Speaker 2: we totally disagree.
Speaker 3: I think that's rhetoric, right, war with Mexico. I'm not
Speaker 3: not the country Mexico, but these but again indistinguishable, the
Speaker 3: cartels of Mexico. They killed, like I don't know, twelve
Speaker 3: different candidates to put in some Jewish lady. That lady's
Speaker 3: not the president of Mexico. The cartel is. She's just
Speaker 3: there as a face. And it's it's a.
Speaker 2: Very interesting Hispanic name. You have to admit it's very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yet I don't know anyone from my family named Shinebahm.
Speaker 3: But listen, it's gonna it's gonna go down to the
Speaker 3: point where where we are at war with the Mexican
Speaker 3: government and we are at.
Speaker 4: War with our own government.
Speaker 3: It's a crazy thing. Our government has its tensrils into
Speaker 3: the cartel, and the cartel has its tensils into Mexico,
Speaker 3: and I mean, listen, it's not really a surprise, right
Speaker 3: Like all the other all the other countries that we've
Speaker 3: overthrown and just in the Middle East alone, these are
Speaker 3: our puppet countries. They do what we want until we
Speaker 3: kind of lose control of them, and then they you know.
Speaker 2: Well see we see this. This is this is actually
Speaker 2: a really important point because this is a distinction I
Speaker 2: make in my mind, and I don't know if everybody
Speaker 2: else does this, but the way I perceive it is that, yes,
Speaker 2: these foreign governments are largely in our employ like they
Speaker 2: do what we tell them to, but they don't do
Speaker 2: what the Trump administration tells them to. They don't do
Speaker 2: what the American people tell them to. They do what
Speaker 2: they do what the deep State tells them to. They
Speaker 2: do what the permanent bureaucracy in America tells them to,
Speaker 2: the military industrial complex, et cetera, et cetera. So that's
Speaker 2: the problem is that like, we do have control mechanisms
Speaker 2: over Mexico to a certain extent, but they this is
Speaker 2: my point, is that they've been doing what we've wanted
Speaker 2: them to. They've been wanting them to continue to run
Speaker 2: humans and fentanyl and all this other shit into our country.
Speaker 2: So now you have to use Trump has to use
Speaker 2: his own power and his own leverage to get the
Speaker 2: government to do what he wants them to, not what
Speaker 2: the existing deep state wants them to. That's a huge
Speaker 2: fucking challenge, and I don't know that he can prevail
Speaker 2: in that fight. But I don't think that it's to
Speaker 2: his benefit to turn to the military. Well maybe maybe
Speaker 2: the military is more on his side. They certainly lean
Speaker 2: more conservative than what appears the FBI does at this junction.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying it's very hard to know who
Speaker 2: he can trust, and I don't even know if I
Speaker 2: can trust Trump at the end of the day. So
Speaker 2: it's like like this is all fucking really challenging, and
Speaker 2: I just err on the side of caution, and I
Speaker 2: just want to like focus on defending our borders, getting
Speaker 2: the most dangerous illegals out of this country so that
Speaker 2: they don't have the as much of an excuse for
Speaker 2: you know, really draconian laws and things of that nature.
Speaker 2: And and that's that's probably the best that we can do.
Speaker 2: That's probably the best middle ground. And a lot of
Speaker 2: this goes against you know, some of my my audience's
Speaker 2: opinions when it comes to this, and by by all
Speaker 2: means comment down below and let me know why I'm
Speaker 2: wrong here. But I think that this is a real problem.
Speaker 2: You've lost hundreds of thousands of people countless, you know,
Speaker 2: children that have been trafficked across the border. Like if
Speaker 2: you like you have to have some answer for this,
Speaker 2: and if you don't have an answer, if you just go, oh,
Speaker 2: that's not you know, libertarianism one on one purity test,
Speaker 2: well then you're not really contributing anything to this conversation. Like,
Speaker 2: tell me exactly how you would go about it differently
Speaker 2: than what I've prescribed. I would love to hear it.
Speaker 3: Can you show can you show this picture here really quick?
Speaker 3: Because I think this is significant and this is again
Speaker 3: getting to like this weird Q stuff, but this is.
Speaker 2: Donald that's freaking out, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because I mean we'll look at his picture, his inauguration picture,
Speaker 3: and it's like, you know, like you've been through some ship.
Speaker 3: He was smiling in the last one, and this time
Speaker 3: it's like, this is a war president, and this right here,
Speaker 3: this is the way it should it's supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Where the eagles facing the olive branch.
Speaker 5: Yes, for peace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's looking at the arrows.
Speaker 4: He's looking at the arrows.
Speaker 2: He's like, this is this is freaky, man, it really is.
Speaker 4: It's a wartime residency.
Speaker 6: This is right when you saw him with like the
Speaker 6: what he's got his like one eye is smaller than
Speaker 6: the other and that in his in his picture.
Speaker 3: What is that called the sam sampuku?
Speaker 6: Yeah, where it's like you could see the bottom whites. Yeah,
Speaker 6: very very Uh it's symbol filled with vengeance. Yeah, but
Speaker 6: this is he Listen, they're telling you this is he's
Speaker 6: not telling. He's telling the people, which I think is
Speaker 6: fair warning. But he's also telling this deep state that
Speaker 6: he's coming after them. And I think he was coming
Speaker 6: after them that first time, but he was doing it
Speaker 6: in a weird way where he thought he could negotiate
Speaker 6: and then they hit us with COVID whatever he was
Speaker 6: doing behind the scenes there. Listen, this ship did not
Speaker 6: it doesn't happen by accident. All the lockdowns, everything that
Speaker 6: you went through was done purposely to you because of
Speaker 6: some shit that this guy was doing.
Speaker 4: Is he on your side?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Is he on I don't think he's on my side.
Speaker 3: I think he's on his side, but his side seems
Speaker 3: to benefit what I want and the other people they
Speaker 3: seem to want me dead. So there's a war going
Speaker 3: on and this is happening whether you like it or not.
Speaker 3: He's declaring war. And the first people that he said
Speaker 3: that he declared his terrorists with the cartels. That's telling
Speaker 3: me that It's like, this is the arm of this
Speaker 3: shadow government, that is its military enforcement, and they're fucking here.
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do.
Speaker 6: I don't know what he's like, very gay. We talk
Speaker 6: about him a lot. We try to slow down, but
Speaker 6: it just keeps happening anyway. On Nefelin Beth Squad character
Speaker 6: Cliff High, So you want to talk about a guy
Speaker 6: who's been kind of on a tangent lately with predictions
Speaker 6: coming out of this webbot that he's developed. It scrapes
Speaker 6: the Internet for data and it makes predictions about potentialities
Speaker 6: in the future. Well, one of the things that it's
Speaker 6: said was going to be happening, or at least you
Speaker 6: could surmise from the data, would be happening over the
Speaker 6: next It was this month.
Speaker 5: And then I believe February and March.
Speaker 6: So throughout these three month period, we would see the
Speaker 6: falling apart of the deep state, but that wouldn't be
Speaker 6: so obvious to the viewer. What we would see is
Speaker 6: the symptoms of that. And so that's been he's been
Speaker 6: saying this since November. Since November, right, so maybe so
Speaker 6: when was Brohemian Grove? That was in October, So I
Speaker 6: started talking about We started talking about him middle of November,
Speaker 6: I think is when he got put on my radar,
Speaker 6: and then we've been kind of like sounding the alarm
Speaker 6: ever since. And you know, it's something to be taken
Speaker 6: with a grain of salt, but either way, what he
Speaker 6: said was going to be happening, or at least what
Speaker 6: the data is.
Speaker 3: David, Oh, Brohemian Grove happened October twenty fifth, and the
Speaker 3: twenty six might be happening again pretty soon. We wor
Speaker 3: going on some details.
Speaker 6: So oh that's right, Yeah, we got to start filing
Speaker 6: out who's performing and all of that shit.
Speaker 3: So that predates, that predates the election, and that predates
Speaker 3: Trump even winning. But this was the prediction that he's
Speaker 3: going from his will.
Speaker 6: Well, that's what he's saying, is the deep state is
Speaker 6: to fall apart, that wouldn't be so obvious to the outside.
Speaker 6: From the outside looking in, what we would see is
Speaker 6: symptoms of that, like, for example, a lot of pulling
Speaker 6: the trigger on like false flag events. And the reason
Speaker 6: that would happen is because the deep state has smaller
Speaker 6: organizations that would answer to it, but they have contingency
Speaker 6: plans allegedly that they would be pulling the trigger on
Speaker 6: when they don't have anybody to answer to, and that
Speaker 6: would also cause a lot of infighting and things of
Speaker 6: that nature. So really what we would see is chaos,
Speaker 6: which from the outside looking in, if we were trying
Speaker 6: to make sense of all the different shit that was
Speaker 6: going on, we might actually be at a disadvantage because
Speaker 6: there might not be sense to be made of it.
Speaker 6: It might just be sort of the writhing, the death
Speaker 6: throws of this, you know, this element of our own
Speaker 6: government and so and then you know, the good news
Speaker 6: is by June, allegedly we would be in a really
Speaker 6: really nice place. But February March, April May, for definitely
Speaker 6: February March, in April, I believe he said we're going
Speaker 6: to be really really hard, and that because of this,
Speaker 6: something would happen where the migrant situation would actually result
Speaker 6: in some combat situations between average civilians and you know,
Speaker 6: disgruntled migrants, and that eventually it would kind of fix itself,
Speaker 6: like it wouldn't go into this full blown war. But
Speaker 6: these people will be like, well, there's nothing here for me,
Speaker 6: and these people fucking don't like us, and we're fighting
Speaker 6: all the time. So a lot of them will just
Speaker 6: go home, but there will be a clash that will happen.
Speaker 6: And so if we are doing this mass rounding up
Speaker 6: of migrants and deporting them, well, surely some of them
Speaker 6: would run away. Surely some of them would become, you know,
Speaker 6: rather unhinged, and you might see actual combat situations between
Speaker 6: people who live in cities.
Speaker 5: Maybe let's say.
Speaker 2: It's inevitable, it's going to happen for sure. Looks it's
Speaker 2: funny because I think a lot of people listening to
Speaker 2: tops rant prior to yours will think that he sounds
Speaker 2: kind of crazy. And I just want to say that, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just want to say that, like I don't totally disagree.
Speaker 2: In fact, I agree with probably eighty percent of it,
Speaker 2: and I think that like there's a real there's a
Speaker 2: real danger over the next four years, like whether you
Speaker 2: think Trump's on your side or not is kind of irrelevant.
Speaker 2: Like he's clearly not on their side. So what does
Speaker 2: that mean, Like, how will they go about trying to
Speaker 2: attack his presidency? Is it just going to be bureaucratic
Speaker 2: maneuvers where they slow walk his orders and they lie
Speaker 2: to him and they do all that shit like last time. Well,
Speaker 2: they're going to try that, But the reality is is
Speaker 2: that he's surrounding himself with like hardline loyalists this go around,
Speaker 2: and they're going to fire the fuck out of those
Speaker 2: people real fast if they do that. So I think that,
Speaker 2: like then it puts on the table extra judicial shit,
Speaker 2: which we've already seen a bullet well, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: grades it's Trump's ear.
Speaker 3: So makes me very nervous or not whether that happened
Speaker 3: or not, because I will I don't know. We don't
Speaker 3: know what happened there, but the president was said that
Speaker 3: it would happen, and everybody believed that it would happen.
Speaker 3: If I was, I would have gotten in front of it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, for sure, they want them dead. It's already done.
Speaker 3: They tried the political route, They tried to arrest them,
Speaker 3: they tried to sue them.
Speaker 4: They can't do it.
Speaker 3: They want like there's only there's one other step left,
Speaker 3: and when they can't get to him, then what happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and if you if you believe what you
Speaker 2: said earlier about the release in twenty nineteen, then that
Speaker 2: already demonstrates like they're willing to do anything. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's millions of people perished as a consequence of
Speaker 2: their decisions globe Now. Well, I know, but I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 2: that's still that's millions of people all over the world.
Speaker 2: So I'm not I'm not convinced that it was intentional.
Speaker 2: I just want to make that clear. I think that
Speaker 2: there's a fair argument to be made, particularly given the
Speaker 2: cover up. It certainly looks as if they were covering
Speaker 2: it up because it was intentional, but it could also
Speaker 2: be that they were just funding research that was legal.
Speaker 2: They knew that their hands were dirty, and therefore they
Speaker 2: covered it up because they didn't want to have that
Speaker 2: brought to the four. Well, I kind of have to
Speaker 2: delete that part. Thanks clip, we had a converse. Listen.
Speaker 3: I think the rest of this episode might be a watch.
Speaker 3: This might be a Rumble exclusive at this point, but
Speaker 3: we had to talk about it.
Speaker 4: If we're talking about this, right, this is the.
Speaker 2: Stuff, so it's important, it's important for.
Speaker 6: Well, well, look, look, we had this conversation a while ago,
Speaker 6: and I kind of said, not not really jokingly, I
Speaker 6: do suspect it's going to happen. And you didn't say
Speaker 6: that it wouldn't. You just said that it was rather
Speaker 6: unprecedented if it did happen. And we just had the
Speaker 6: beginnings of this thing that I speculated on, which is
Speaker 6: they are recommending a I don't know if it's going
Speaker 6: to go through, but proposing an amendment to the Second
Speaker 6: Amendment allowing Donald Trump to run for a third term,
Speaker 6: which is something that we actually talked about. Did that
Speaker 6: what ended up happened? Did that fall through?
Speaker 4: Distant amendment?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a different amendment, Second Amendment twenty second. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're trying to give him a third term, but they
Speaker 2: can't be consecutive. But because he had a gap, that
Speaker 2: means he can do three. Look, I don't think it's
Speaker 2: going to happen, and I think that Trump's very old,
Speaker 2: and I you know, but who the fuck knows? I know,
Speaker 2: you guys, guys, you guys all coated it with the
Speaker 2: last President, which I guess is some other conspiracy theory.
Speaker 6: Well that's not Look that goes into a lot of
Speaker 6: weird stuff, right, Roseanne bars thought that this was going
Speaker 6: to be the last election or something like that.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of that sort.
Speaker 2: Of what we didn't think that this election would happen either.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's true and so but that's like a
Speaker 6: lot of people have been speculating, for whatever reason, that
Speaker 6: this is going to be the last presidency. And you know,
Speaker 6: I think the thing that's at the heart of that
Speaker 6: is those ingersol Lockwood books, the nineteen hundred or The
Speaker 6: Last President and the Marvelous Underground Adventures of Little Baron Trump.
Speaker 6: But I'm not saying that it is going to happen.
Speaker 6: I just think it's funny that, you know, it's even
Speaker 6: on the table as a conversation piece, when previously it
Speaker 6: was just the unhinged ramblings of a partially schizophrenic host
Speaker 6: of a conspiracy show.
Speaker 5: So I just thought that was.
Speaker 6: Really funny because I don't know if it's gonna you know,
Speaker 6: who the hell knows if it's going to happen, but hilarious.
Speaker 4: Nonetheless, well, I wanted to play you guys this clip.
Speaker 2: Well, don't want to say, how do I do it?
Speaker 3: I think you should get a redo? Right, the first
Speaker 3: term was a wash?
Speaker 6: Well that was what I was getting at me, my
Speaker 6: lack of political understand Oh this is so funny.
Speaker 2: Please, I love this. I'm not going back to one
Speaker 2: of those threats.
Speaker 5: Is this illegal alien from Haiti? I says he's a
Speaker 5: gang member with seventeen criminal convictions in recent years.
Speaker 2: I mean, no Biden.
Speaker 1: Everything that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely I'm definitely not gonna lose any sleepover
Speaker 2: a guy was seventeen from.
Speaker 6: But I feel like that's that's that's theatrics. To me,
Speaker 6: that feels theatrical. I don't think that that's real. I
Speaker 6: think that guy's probably an actor.
Speaker 2: I just it's so interesting.
Speaker 5: It's two tone deaf.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean to like be championing Joe
Speaker 6: Biden is you know, especially in these as you're getting deported.
Speaker 6: I think the optics of it are tremendous and I
Speaker 6: think it's real.
Speaker 2: I could not disagree with you more. If you remember
Speaker 2: the Obama phone, Lady, we got our Obama phone?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe doing a super viral clip back in the day
Speaker 2: like that is not unheard of, and for and say
Speaker 2: like Biden's my homeboy. Fuck Trump and I'm not going
Speaker 2: back to that seems all all plausible to me personally.
Speaker 6: So here, pull this up real quick because this is
Speaker 6: in alignment with that. It's only thirty seconds.
Speaker 4: But here, oh yeah, I would say that I'm so sorry.
Speaker 6: This is Selena Gomez and she's crying. It's only thirty seconds.
Speaker 6: Hold on, let's we'll let it play.
Speaker 2: Children.
Speaker 4: I don't understand. I'm so sorry. I wish I could
Speaker 4: do something, but I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do.
Speaker 6: I'll try everything, She'll try everything, She'll try everything. So
Speaker 6: so what that is is Selena Gomez, the the impossibly rich,
Speaker 6: the uh the you know.
Speaker 5: Reaching unheard of levels of superstardom.
Speaker 6: She's crying because of the mass deportations and because it's
Speaker 6: so close to her heart, and she wants to do
Speaker 6: whatever she can, and she promises she will do whatever
Speaker 6: she can. Another wonderful piece of theater. To me, this
Speaker 6: is just shit that happens. Do you think that they
Speaker 6: didn't create viral moments even using our own governmental institutions
Speaker 6: to try to bolster Kamala Harris's popularity among like gen
Speaker 6: Z voters and shit like that.
Speaker 5: Right of course they did.
Speaker 6: So I will air on the side of caution with you, Clint,
Speaker 6: that it could be that it you know, sure it's real,
Speaker 6: but I do believe there's precedent for just having these
Speaker 6: these moments, these theatrical moments that are shot well, that
Speaker 6: are impactful, that create virality, that stick in the mind
Speaker 6: of the public.
Speaker 2: I understand your perspective. The reason I saw I lean
Speaker 2: towards the direction of this being genuine is that these
Speaker 2: people are mentally ill that like genuinely people that are
Speaker 2: in Hollywood, they go to fucking parties together, they are
Speaker 2: on the movie set together, they're in the recording studio together,
Speaker 2: and they're all just constantly telling themselves that like Donald
Speaker 2: Trump's a fascist, and immigrants are just beautiful, like they're better,
Speaker 2: they're superior to everybody that's born in America, and reporting
Speaker 2: them as the worst thing that's ever happened, and that
Speaker 2: they're devastated. Now. Now, the performative nature of videoing yourself
Speaker 2: and putting it on the Internet is certainly a performance,
Speaker 2: But to argue that the feeling is totally not real
Speaker 2: for them. I don't think it's true. I think that
Speaker 2: these people are genuinely fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: It's remember that black dude I worked, I tell the
Speaker 3: story before. I told him before I worked with the
Speaker 3: guy in the tracks when Donald Trump won in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 3: and he literally like tore his vest and his shirt
Speaker 3: like in lamentation, screaming.
Speaker 2: People are fucking nothing changed.
Speaker 3: It's what they believe it. I mean, the narratives been
Speaker 3: set and perpetuated in such a way where they do
Speaker 3: believe it. It's funny to see the people that perpetuate the
Speaker 3: narrative believing it. This hard so so the Selena Gomez
Speaker 3: believe it. I'm not really sure.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this.
Speaker 6: When all those celebrities got together during the lockdowns and
Speaker 6: they saying, imagine all the people, do you think that
Speaker 6: they really meant imagine all the people? Or did somebody
Speaker 6: on their management team say this would be good publicity
Speaker 6: and this is actually great because right now we're getting
Speaker 6: a buck from you know, insert big pharmaceutical corporation.
Speaker 2: Well look, look, everybody was all of the recording, all
Speaker 2: of the studios were shut down. They had nothing to do.
Speaker 2: They are completely addicted to fame. So they're such egotists.
Speaker 2: There are such egotistical, narcissistic lunatics that they thought, well,
Speaker 2: this will make people people feel better to have us
Speaker 2: all getting together and singing a song because they all
Speaker 2: worship us. That's their perspective. They fancy themselves gods. So
Speaker 2: for them, they're like, this is this is gonna go great.
Speaker 2: Everyone's gonna love this. They love us, They come and
Speaker 2: watch our movies, they go, they listen to our music.
Speaker 2: Of course they're gonna no, we fucking despise you. And
Speaker 2: the fact that you could do that so condescending is unbelievable.
Speaker 5: That's it. Your argument is that their tone deaf.
Speaker 6: Mine is that it was done out of malice narrative,
Speaker 6: And honestly, I think you're worse of a person than
Speaker 6: I am, because at least I'm looking to them saying
Speaker 6: that they haven't a and they have, you know, their
Speaker 6: wits about them. You're saying they're just retards and they
Speaker 6: don't have any idea what the people actually want. I look,
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think that that's not true. Maybe
Speaker 6: maybe it's just my my conatorial mind.
Speaker 3: I kind of it's one of those it's it's this
Speaker 3: thing where maybe coming into it, they were like, I'll
Speaker 3: take the bag. You know, I know this is kind
Speaker 3: of weird. I don't really necessarily believe it. And then
Speaker 3: after a while of like so much reinforcement, positive reinforcement
Speaker 3: by everyone around you, by all the people who look
Speaker 3: up to your team, money, powdering your nose, yeah, like
Speaker 3: all that stuff, I think you start to really do
Speaker 3: believe this. So then when they somebody you know, sweeps
Speaker 3: the carpet from underneath your feet, it's a complete surprise
Speaker 3: to you. But they'll have to come to reality eventually,
Speaker 3: or I prefer that they don't. I prefer that they
Speaker 3: just fucking go away.
Speaker 2: But I don't think you have to worry. They're not
Speaker 2: coming back to reality. I mean they're gonna lie. They're
Speaker 2: gonna do what Steven A. Smith is doing, where he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, fucking all these democrats are crazy, and it's like, dude,
Speaker 2: you voted like literally eighty days ago, you cast a
Speaker 2: vote for Kamala Harris, shut the fuck up for Yeah,
Speaker 2: So look, they're gonna do that, like the smarter ones
Speaker 2: will will pretend. But I think that, you know, sincerely wise,
Speaker 2: like they don't. There's no there's not a sincere bone
Speaker 2: in their body. Anyways, I want to get you out
Speaker 2: of here on this. UH. Got one more video that
Speaker 2: I thought you guys would find interesting. This is a
Speaker 2: woke pastor going against a street pastor. H we'll see
Speaker 2: which guy, which one you side with?
Speaker 9: Nothing about it?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 9: You tell me what did Christ say about homosexuality?
Speaker 5: Matthew Chapter nineteen, verse four.
Speaker 8: He says, let a man come together with his wife
Speaker 8: and let them become one flesh. You're speaking about marriage,
Speaker 8: marriages between one man and one woman.
Speaker 9: What was the culture of the time.
Speaker 5: Uh, I think marriages in every culture?
Speaker 9: WHOA what was the culture of the time?
Speaker 5: First off?
Speaker 4: In Romans, it talks about our moral code.
Speaker 2: You believe in the moral code?
Speaker 9: Oh, for Heaven's sakes, you are so lost, so lost,
Speaker 9: because what is the basic principle of the.
Speaker 8: Gospel to repent and turn to Jesus and know him.
Speaker 9: The basic foundation of the gospel is love.
Speaker 5: To be saved from sin and death right.
Speaker 9: Loving your neighbor as yourself.
Speaker 8: You are doing the absolute opposite of loving your neighbor.
Speaker 8: You are leading so many people astray into hell. And
Speaker 8: I'm letting you know that you're gonna be judged worsely
Speaker 8: by God than anyone else here because you knew the
Speaker 8: truth and.
Speaker 5: You didn't repent. And I listen, can you listen because
Speaker 5: I listen to you. I listened to you, Roman Shopper
Speaker 5: one verse eighteen.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: That was very funny, incredible. I mean, nothing of substance
Speaker 6: there from her. What did she do?
Speaker 4: She was that the lady moved.
Speaker 6: And then she she attacked his you know, yeah, was
Speaker 6: that the lady.
Speaker 4: That did the sermon at the inauguration?
Speaker 2: It looked it looks like her. I don't I don't
Speaker 2: know for a fact, but it looked just like her.
Speaker 6: But to be fair, she is wearing that kind of
Speaker 6: like run of the mill les be an outfit kind
Speaker 6: of said it. Not that, not the pastor thing, just
Speaker 6: just face in the head, what you're wearing exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got an eye for it.
Speaker 2: I just thought I just thought you guys would find that,
Speaker 2: you know, from from a non religious person, I found
Speaker 2: it very interesting because it's two people that genuinely believe
Speaker 2: that they are, you know, super religious and in alignment
Speaker 2: with Christ, and uh, they couldn't be it more more
Speaker 2: at odds if you read the scripture.
Speaker 3: Something interesting that we went through with Ed Maybury. Shout
Speaker 3: out to Ed mra Maybury Faith by reason dot Net.
Speaker 3: You know, you know the whole the tale of Jesus
Speaker 3: whipping the money the money changers in the back of
Speaker 3: the synagogue.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Something real interesting that I never really noticed or didn't
Speaker 3: think of was in the scriptures. It says that he
Speaker 3: fashioned that whip. She didn't just like pick it up
Speaker 3: somewhere or buy it. He didn't go to the whip shop,
Speaker 3: made it, and every knot he tied. He said, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna fucking beat the ship out of you with this.
Speaker 3: And he beat this ship out of these guys, and
Speaker 3: people like her will go around and say Jesus was
Speaker 3: a hippie, Jesus was a all about loves like nah man.
Speaker 3: Jesus that was premeditated, premeditated assault. And he sat there
Speaker 3: and he whipped these motherfuckers, ask as they were doing
Speaker 3: dumb shit, and he warned them not to You're not
Speaker 3: supposed to be doing that. No money changing in the temple,
Speaker 3: no money changing it or usery is pretty bad. So
Speaker 3: when they're talking about this love and forgiveness thing, sure,
Speaker 3: that's part of it. But the guy nailed it. It's
Speaker 3: about repentance from sin, It's about choosing Jesus Christ. And
Speaker 3: you know she will be judged more harsh than anybody
Speaker 3: else because she knows, or she should know, and she's
Speaker 3: in a position leading people astraight. And we can see
Speaker 3: that all throughout our society right now. This isn't the
Speaker 3: way to go. So they want to do homosexuality. That's
Speaker 3: monkey Pock's baby.
Speaker 4: You want to be gay shit. Get married, Yeah, get married.
Speaker 3: We have babies, American babies instead of Mexican people in
Speaker 3: our flood and our borders.
Speaker 5: Simple as that. You put your penis where the poop
Speaker 5: is at. Figure it out.
Speaker 4: It's it's way so simple.
Speaker 2: To cut you guys up, you know. I just I
Speaker 2: just want to ask one more question about, you know,
Speaker 2: the the culture war between Palumbo and Timpoole and the
Speaker 2: I watched the whole thing. I found it super entertaining.
Speaker 2: I uh, I don't really agree with anybody in in
Speaker 2: the conversation. I thought that they all made kind of
Speaker 2: bad points from time to time, but top you, you
Speaker 2: seem to really enjoy it. So I just want to
Speaker 2: get your feedback.
Speaker 7: On it.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I agree with your sentiment as well.
Speaker 3: I think Elijah is obviously more correct, and I think
Speaker 3: that Brad Palumbo is taking that the old libertarian stance.
Speaker 3: I mean they they said it a bunch of times,
Speaker 3: the line go up sort of idea that doesn't help culture.
Speaker 3: It's the show is about. The show is called the
Speaker 3: culture War, and uh really this is all about and
Speaker 3: everything we do is about culture. If you want to
Speaker 3: move it, it's not going to be moved by economics.
Speaker 3: That stuff is secondary to everything else we do.
Speaker 2: So yeah, like, well, if anything, the culture, the culture
Speaker 2: changes dramatically during times of you know, economic largess, Like
Speaker 2: look what the culture. Look what happened in the culture
Speaker 2: as we had the you know, the best economy in
Speaker 2: human history. Culture rotted. Now I'm not saying that that's
Speaker 2: a direct consequence of the economy, but the correlation is
Speaker 2: interesting at least. And what I found most appalling, just
Speaker 2: as a as an actual libertarian, was that Palombo, throughout
Speaker 2: this entire fucking thing, as he's talking about how you know,
Speaker 2: Tempole's lamenting the fact that young people can't afford houses
Speaker 2: and yadaya. Yeah, Brat Palumbo never once mentions the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 2: Never once he goes he goes like, well, if it
Speaker 2: weren't for regulations, then we would be building more housing.
Speaker 2: It's like, bro, the reason that housing is so expensive
Speaker 2: is not regulations. I mean, that's that's a chunk of it,
Speaker 2: no doubt. But the primary driving force behind is usery,
Speaker 2: which is what you were pointing out, which is the
Speaker 2: Central Bank, the Federal Reserve fucking bearing interest rates, which
Speaker 2: created a you know, outsized demand, and it allows for
Speaker 2: hedge funds to come through and buy up tens and
Speaker 2: tens and tens of thousands of homes. I mean that
Speaker 2: absorbed the inventory, which then obviously, you know, throws the
Speaker 2: supply curve out of why. And it's like, that's that's
Speaker 2: what happened. But no one like this is what was
Speaker 2: driving me crazy. I'm sitting there like, no one's saying
Speaker 2: the right thing. Everyone's wrong here. But it was still
Speaker 2: it was fun.
Speaker 3: He should have he should have been focused on that
Speaker 3: because his explanation was purely economical, whereas Elijah was making
Speaker 3: a I thought he made a pretty strong cultural argument
Speaker 3: to yeah, these things do change, and it's a it's
Speaker 3: ohen Benjamin was talking about the idea of scale. When
Speaker 3: you when you get something so big, everything else, everything
Speaker 3: that contributed to its growth, has to become diluted. And
Speaker 3: that's when you get shitty McDonald's rather than you know,
Speaker 3: beef tallow if there's only one or two McDonald's. Like
Speaker 3: this has become America has become like I mean, the
Speaker 3: modern church has become a food chain store. It's so big,
Speaker 3: there's so many of them that they don't really mean anything.
Speaker 3: And more they've kind of lost the idea of what
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be. So yeah, as the economy grows,
Speaker 3: as this country grows, and as diversity continues to expand,
Speaker 3: it's just the scale thing, Like how do you keep
Speaker 3: this this intact when it's just a bunch of people
Speaker 3: that are barely holding on. I don't I don't have
Speaker 3: the answers.
Speaker 2: I think that that that's the thing that has made
Speaker 2: me more of a nationalist and less of an open
Speaker 2: borders guy, is that, like I've just recognized that, like
Speaker 2: there is no cultural tie, you know, tie that binds
Speaker 2: us and and it's in my opinion it's really irrefutable
Speaker 2: that that's because we've had so much immigration over the past,
Speaker 2: not not just the past four years, but the past fifty.
Speaker 2: Like it's been, it's been a dramatic shift that has
Speaker 2: obviously changed the fabric of this country. And I don't
Speaker 2: mean that it's like it's not one hundred percent negative.
Speaker 2: I think that immigrants to a large extent contribute in
Speaker 2: a positive fashion. But at a certain pace of immigration,
Speaker 2: it's just obvious to me that there are deleitarious consequences
Speaker 2: when it comes to the cultural fabric and the thing
Speaker 2: that binds a people together, and that that was kind
Speaker 2: of what Elijah Shaeffer's argument was, and I think that
Speaker 2: that's that's well, he breaks it down to more of
Speaker 2: a Christian nationalist and even a white nationalist argumentation to
Speaker 2: a certain extent. I don't go that far, but I
Speaker 2: do think that there's there's some merit the arguments that
Speaker 2: are being made, and it's just so frustrating that like
Speaker 2: no one's able to actually just talk this out. You know,
Speaker 2: Tim's yelling at Brad, and Brad's talking about regulations, and
Speaker 2: Elijah's talking about you know, Walmart's being too dirty, and
Speaker 2: I'm like that, like none of you are really getting
Speaker 2: the point across that needs to be made here. I
Speaker 2: wish I had been there, honestly, too fun.
Speaker 6: Because you've got to like address a bunch of other
Speaker 6: people's points too. It's like, you know, maybe he didn't ten.
Speaker 2: Is I've done it. I've done it a dozen times.
Speaker 2: It's it's very hard to get your points across in
Speaker 2: the moment. So like, I'm not trying to lecture these guys,
Speaker 2: and I'm saying there were some points that were myssed
Speaker 2: that needed to be made, That's all I think.
Speaker 3: In his defense, in Elijah's defense, and I do the
Speaker 3: same sort of thing. I think you have to go
Speaker 3: as far as possible. So he went this white nationalist argument.
Speaker 3: Does he believe it? I don't think so, because his
Speaker 3: wife is Australian, like his kid is a.
Speaker 4: Partial immigrant as well.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but you have to push that far if
Speaker 3: I want to come to a place of sensibility. Whereas
Speaker 3: Brad Palumbo is very fine holding the line saying that
Speaker 3: nothing Brad Palumbo's are argument is that nothing is wrong, Like,
Speaker 3: clearly something's wrong. You're fucking sitting here. They paid for
Speaker 3: you to come first class and sit here because something's wrong, Brad.
Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, I would just keep moving to
Speaker 3: steel man.
Speaker 2: Brad's argument. He's not saying nothing's wrong. He's saying that
Speaker 2: free trade has no bearing on what's wrong. And I
Speaker 2: think that that's also wrong. I think that and and
Speaker 2: this is the this is what drives me crazy, is
Speaker 2: that people want to win so that they're not going
Speaker 2: to be honest. If Brad wants to be honest. The
Speaker 2: reality is is that a lot of our free trade
Speaker 2: agreements are actually not free trade. They actually they actually
Speaker 2: hurt domestic production intentionally because that was the negotiation part
Speaker 2: of the trade deal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we can get shipped for cheaper though, Clint.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, and these are the arguments. And
Speaker 2: it's like, like, I am a believer that free trade
Speaker 2: to a I mean to a huge extent has benefited
Speaker 2: not just the American people, but the entire world and
Speaker 2: lifting the poorest of the poor into the you know,
Speaker 2: lower class or some to the middle class, some of
Speaker 2: the upper class. And it has been on net an
Speaker 2: unbl believable god send. But there are still obvious consequences
Speaker 2: to having no no real production of like no industry,
Speaker 2: like no real industry in America. And you can't you
Speaker 2: can't look at that and say like, well, number go up,
Speaker 2: so obviously I'm right, Like, no, they're there. It requires
Speaker 2: greater nuance and it just fucking frustrates me to know
Speaker 2: end that no one's willing to have that isn't you know?
Speaker 3: Isn't that the argument full circle to what we came
Speaker 3: here to discuss about Mexico, where it's like there is
Speaker 3: no real solution to this. It's you're going to have
Speaker 3: to have these sacrifices because bad stuff's gonna happen. But
Speaker 3: do you want to continue as we are or should
Speaker 3: we try to have some kind of solution here?
Speaker 2: You know? And this is this is really why I've
Speaker 2: been I guess, kind of off the libertarian beaten path
Speaker 2: over the past few months, is that or really the
Speaker 2: past year? Is that? Like it's just so obvious to
Speaker 2: me that like, yes, oh, and the libertarians are right
Speaker 2: about this when they say, like everything you're talking about
Speaker 2: is a product of government, you know, interference in the market,
Speaker 2: and like they fucked all this stuff up, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that, but that doesn't change
Speaker 2: where we're at nights, Yes, exactly, Like that's that's what
Speaker 2: I'm most interested in is not not placing the blame,
Speaker 2: which is ninety nine percent of the time on the government.
Speaker 2: I grant you that, but it's like, then what And
Speaker 2: oftentimes they don't have a real answer for that. They
Speaker 2: just go, well, you shouldn't have done that, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: well I agree with you, but then what what do
Speaker 2: we do now? And I think that's that's where, you know,
Speaker 2: the rubber meets the road right now, particularly with an
Speaker 2: administration that seems interested in the Then what what are
Speaker 2: they going to do and they're doing it? And should
Speaker 2: we be supporting them, should we be course correcting, should
Speaker 2: we be critiquing on what direction they want to take?
Speaker 2: And that's that's really where I'm at where I'm like,
Speaker 2: I think that they're they're angling for a war with Mexico.
Speaker 2: I'd rather have this conversation with you guys now and
Speaker 2: allow people to think about it for themselves so they
Speaker 2: have a real opinion that is not just like hoorah
Speaker 2: or America, we're the fucking global hedgemon. We're upset about
Speaker 2: what happened over the past four years or the past
Speaker 2: forty so we're gonna go fuck somebody up. Like that's
Speaker 2: not the answer. Guys, Like, if you want to fuck
Speaker 2: somebody up, it should be because you want to stop
Speaker 2: human trafficking and you want to stop, you know, seeing
Speaker 2: your cousins and daughters die of drug overdoses, like that
Speaker 2: may be your justification, but don't just make it some
Speaker 2: bombastic masculine, you know, battle cry. It needs to be. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the overcrrection is trying to caution against the overcruestion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not going to unfuck those kids. The over correction.
Speaker 3: It is not going to bring your cousin back to life,
Speaker 3: but we can. We need to have a solution to
Speaker 3: stop this from happening in the future, and I think
Speaker 3: that there is a way towards that. It's it might
Speaker 3: be ugly depending on what the opposition does, but there's
Speaker 3: no choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I give you a final final comments, dude.
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say I tend to agree with
Speaker 6: top on that. I think we are looking at a
Speaker 6: situation where it's very much like the economic bubble, right,
Speaker 6: and it's like, at some point we're going to have
Speaker 6: to get you know, shit on, it's going to have
Speaker 6: to burst. If we keep prolonging it, things get exponentially worse.
Speaker 6: And so I think, eat your vegetables of America. What's
Speaker 6: that I said, eat your vegetables America exactly. So I
Speaker 6: think it's one of those things we got to go
Speaker 6: through the fire first in order to come out of this,
Speaker 6: because I don't see a solution that's not messy. Uh yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm sure there's better solutions, more nuanced ones,
Speaker 6: more thoughtful ones, but they're all going to be messy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think it's going to be messy either way.
Speaker 2: And and a lot of this is out of our control.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're just three guys talking to the microphones here,
Speaker 2: so you know, but we do have some influence and
Speaker 2: I'm just going to try and put that these you know,
Speaker 2: more nuanced, more I hope, more thoughtful ideas out there,
Speaker 2: and hope that that reaches people before the propaganda wave comes,
Speaker 2: because it's already like cresting, like it's already approaching, and
Speaker 2: I just I can feel it. I can feel it.
Speaker 2: And uh, I hope I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: But I doubt with your platform now again, I know
Speaker 3: it's like last look, but with your platform now and
Speaker 3: the way media work not in the traditional sense anymore,
Speaker 3: there still is that old guard of there's a lot
Speaker 3: of people that listen to it, but your platform is
Speaker 3: not inconsiderable. You can get on Timcash, you can get
Speaker 3: on Dave Smith, you can get on other big shows,
Speaker 3: maybe even Joe Rogan at some point and say this
Speaker 3: stuff and cut this stuff off at the knees or
Speaker 3: at least present this kind of doubt. So like, this
Speaker 3: is huge what you're talking here and thinking the ideas
Speaker 3: that we're thinking through the comments that will come in
Speaker 3: after calling us this or that, but I'll read them.
Speaker 3: Then I'll see what these people are saying and perhaps
Speaker 3: I have to change my view or sharpen it or
Speaker 3: make it more nuanced because it's important because we're talking
Speaker 3: to somebody like a Clint Russell, or maybe somebody watches
Speaker 3: this that it gets spread, it gets spread along and
Speaker 3: it changes how people think. It's very possible in this
Speaker 3: day and age.
Speaker 2: Oh very And it's I mean I know this for
Speaker 2: a fact because I see Dave, you know, repeating my
Speaker 2: tweets like maybe it's just because it's similar thought and
Speaker 2: he had the same idea. I'm sure that happens sometimes too,
Speaker 2: but there are other times where I'm definitely inspiring that
Speaker 2: I see that with Tim Poole all the time. Rogan
Speaker 2: also follows me, so like these things do have a
Speaker 2: knock on effect. And you know, even if I don't
Speaker 2: get on Rogan, Dave definitely will, so you know, he'll
Speaker 2: he'll be putting his voice on the scale, so to speak.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's just a very interesting time.
Speaker 2: But anyways, guys, I really appreciated it. It ended up
Speaker 2: being much less contentious than I expected. But I thought
Speaker 2: it was actually very productive, which is rare in the
Speaker 2: in the internet bloodsport debate category. But I guess it
Speaker 2: wasn't really a debate. Anyways, tell people where they can
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