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Speaker 1: What is Felasiko's on Dampa Valley coming at you with

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another twenty twenty five twenty twenty six NBA season look ahead.

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We are on to the Utah Jazz and I have

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the distinct pleasure of being joined by a first time guest,

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so she doesn't quite know what she's in for just yet.

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She will have to apologize to herself later. Sarah Todd

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covers the Utah Jazz for the Deseret News as well

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as the Unsalvageable podcast. Go check that podcast out on

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include the link in the podcast and YouTube description. You

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can follow Sarah on the socials at NBA. Sarah, That's

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Sarah with an H. Sarah welcome, Thank you so much

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for coming on. How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Doing great day? I don't think I've ever asked where

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are you originally from? Because you say Sarah in a

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very East Coast way.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Long Island, New York as well? Yeah, there we are, Okay,

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gotta be it. I get made fun of for the

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way it say water and chocolate all the time. It

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comes up a lot. So I didn't know Sarah was

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one though that I.

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Speaker 2: Say, oh, it's definitely one, because I like, I mean

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West coast, say, my name is Sarah, but anyone from

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the East coast, they usually like Jersey, New York, like

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around there, it's Sarah and so it like has a

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little bit of an elongated sound to it, and it

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from my time in Philly. It always like feels really

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nostalgic for me. I'm like, oh, I missed that sound.

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Speaker 1: So, so where are you? So it's Sarah. Where are

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you from? I guess? Then the West coast is that where.

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Speaker 2: You're Yeah, I'm a northern California Bay area, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's where my my co host is like kind

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of up by their grant, so he would say Sarah too. Yeah,

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as well as you, uh here to talk about the

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Jazz though, fascinating team, But before we kind of look ahead,

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what when you look back at last season, what are

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one of the biggest things that you take away from

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it or are still thinking about as they're leading into

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this year. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it's, uh, it's mostly that last season just

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like wasn't really a representation of who the Jazz are

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at all, like from from a where they want to

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be standpoint, from like what they were trying to do,

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Like it was so much manipulation of minutes to try

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to tank down to get top odds for the lottery.

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That like, I think a lot of people came away

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with a different interpretation from the outside, came away with

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maybe a different interpretation or perspective of who Lowry is

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as a player. Or even guys like Colin Sexton traded

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away now to the Charlotte Hornets. I think that like

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you don't get actually a well rounded view of who

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those players are because they were forced to sit and

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forced to play out of position or forced to do

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things that they didn't really want to do because you know,

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Will Hardy, the head coach, he was kind of being

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forced to do the job with one arm behind his back,

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and like directives were coming so much from the front

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office that it just wasn't really a good look for

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the players.

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Speaker 1: When you look at how they're They're off season unfolded two.

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With that Jordan Clarkson gets bought out the Colin Sexton

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trade where they included a pick to get use of Nurkic.

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Do you view that as more about the organization one

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maybe doing those guys a solid, but also to just

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they wanted to clear the deck, clear the runway, or

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is there something else that I'm missing here, because like

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the buy out with Jordan Clarson was one thing I

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still can't wrap my head around the use of Nurkics

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trade other than to think that the Jazz just didn't

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want another guard they felt obligated to play on the roster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a few things that play Like number one,

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you're right, it is clearing the deck and kind of

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doing those guys as solid, right. And number two, like

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they really really want to be able to play all

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of these young players in lineups that actually make sense

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and kind of let them play to the most ability

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that they have. And if they're actually going to kind

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of let these guys play, and that includes Lowry, Like

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you don't want to play a five man lineup of

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just rookies and sophomores. You don't want to play a

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lineup of guys that you actually don't see being a

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part of the future. You do want to play a

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lineup that's kind of a mix. And also it's like

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guys were like, do we want to take a chance,

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do we want to pick up the next option? Do

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we want to extend this guy when it comes up

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next season? They want to be able to make informed decisions,

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and they couldn't do that as they had guys like

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Jordan Clarks and Colin Sexton on the roster because frankly,

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they were just like too good to be really really bad,

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and so it needs to both be a bad team

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and lineups that make sense. And so I think that

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all of that combined for the off season moves and

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like you know, frankly, a guy like Colin Sexton who

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can be like a spark plug scorer and is really

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efficient when he's on the offensive end, he has so

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many negatives in the way of his height and like

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kind of his lateral movement, his defensive ability, like there

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are flaws to his game that kind of make him

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a little bit negative value, especially for the money that

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he was making. And so I think it was really

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hard to actually offload that contract this off season, in

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particular when kind of the money wasn't there. And so

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getting a guy back like Nurkic, who you think, okay,

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could he actually teach some of these like young big

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guys how to kind of use their bodies in a

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physical way while also not like demanding a starting role.

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you're not bringing back so much negative value. I think

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that that just made sense for the Jazz, even though

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it looked like it wasn't positive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still, honestly I get everything you're saying. I

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just still can't even wrap my head around it just

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scarred from the use of Nurkic experience, like at in

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Denver and in Portland and the stuff that evolved there.

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or I guess at that point it was media day,

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but the Jazz basically preempted Walker Castler's extension and we

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know he's not going to get one. Do you view

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that as more of they just want to work with

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the lower cat pold next summer, or they're trying to

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keep their trade options open here?

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Speaker 2: It's both, right, because like if he like he has

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a better chance of getting traded, because somebody of trades

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for him could then resign him for bird rights, right

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and like be able to go over the cap to

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keep him if they trade him, So that that's a

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little bit more attractive if you're another team looking at

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trading for Walker Kestler. But I think that the bigger

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portion actually is keeping the cap hold low when they

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go into next offseason because they really want to be

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able to have kind of that flexibility if they were

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to like sign someone big. Though I think that's a

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lot of wishful thinking on the Jazz is part thinking

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that they'd be able to use a huge amount of

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cap space to sign anyone because.

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Speaker 1: Who's doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like but especially Utah, right, Like we

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all know the perception like nobody is waiting around for

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their contract to be up in like inner free agency

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because they're like, ooh, I want to go to the

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Jazz like that that's that's just not happening and so

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h but I think that it's also why then they're

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banking on so many young players using so many of

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their draft picks, is like hoping that they can strike

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somewhere there and then maybe like the lowry plus Walker

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plus Ace Bailey, maybe plus an Aj Debonsar Darren Peterson

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something like that, Like maybe that team is enticing enough

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to a player around the league that they're like, actually

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want to play with these young guys.

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Speaker 1: So and the thing with the cap space too is

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we know it can be used for more than free agents,

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that could be used in trades, But do you view

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the prioritization of that flexibility at all as this team

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is going to try to I don't want to use

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the term fast track necessarily, but try to get materially

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better by next summer. Or from your view, do you

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think that they're still open to you know, they don't

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know if they have capslock V Guy in place for

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the future yet, so are they still willing to go

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through the you know, the gradual process of finding that

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player if they don't have them, or are they getting

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a little itchy here?

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Speaker 2: There's a little bit of it giness, I think, like

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the everything that we're talking about, you know, like making

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sure that Walker Kessler knows he's not getting an extension,

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like a month before the deadline is even happening for that,

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right Like that that was strange, But I mean I

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understand it from both sides, right Like I understand the

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Jazz wanting to kind of have that space open, and

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they are getting itchy, like they the fan base is

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getting restless. And I think that you know that the

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owner is a fan, right and so that pours over

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into how he is kind of directing the front office,

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like let's let's do something like let's start making some moves,

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and I think that I think that if they don't

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actually get or attempt to get markedly better by the

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twenty twenty six off season, that I can almost guarantee

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that by twenty seven off season, they're going to be

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thrown money at people like they want it to happen

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in the next couple of years.

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Speaker 1: So, looking at Walker Castler specifically, how did you view

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or what stood out to you the most about his

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improvement from kind of feels like he stalls out in

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year two or trying to do too many different things

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to what happened in year three, and also just his

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value against the future of this organization.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I think the biggest difference kind of in

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the biggest difference was, honestly, like his mental approach, like

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his emotional response to the season. I think that those

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were the really the biggest things, because his rookie season,

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he really kind of was like giving his heart to everything,

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and kind of the tanking really upset him, like he

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didn't realize that was going to be a part of

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this business that he was going to have to deal

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with really, and so like kind of grappling with that

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at the end of his first end of his rookie season,

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and then he had he was on Team USA, was

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not used by Team USA. He was basically like are

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their third shrink guy, And that really hurt his ego,

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I think. And so then he comes back for his

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second season and he had such a down year, and

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just beating himself up and like blaming everything that happened

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on himself, and like he was just kind of like

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a different person, and they're like mixed in there is

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like feelings of entitlement and like wanting a better life

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in the NBA and like not really realizing like, hey,

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this is just your second year. You kind of have

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to like earn your keep and like also, this is

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a this is a business that is it's not forgiving

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and like it doesn't care about your feelings ever at all.

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comparatively to his rookie year. And then the third year,

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the difference was like he came in and he was like,

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I'm I started talking to a counselor, like a therapist,

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I started talking to a sports psychologist, and like, I'm

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just trying to like work every day with like gratitude

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rather than like anger or resentment about anything that's happening.

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freer kind of person in his third season, and I

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out the season with like some anger and resentment regarding

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the contract stuff. And so it's like, has he grown

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enough emotionally as a person to be able to separate

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kind of the decisions of the front office from his

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day to day life with like the coach and the

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other and his teammates to be determined.

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Speaker 1: Is there any like developmental area on the floor that

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you are still kind of waiting or tracking most closely

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as we did in the next year, or is it like,

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what's the over under the number of threes this guy shoots?

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Walker who doesn't have like an extensively expanded offensive game.

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He needs to be able to contribute in that way.

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But I also am interested in, you know, if the

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Jazz are going to allow him to expand his game

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and like try to see if he can be a

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stretch five and if he's going to be taking threes.

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I mean, if you listen to Walker and like his

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camp one hundred percent, that's a part of his game,

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right And if you listen to conventional wisdom, then no,

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probably not. But I'm watching both of those things. But

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also I think it's really important for him to be

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stronger defensively in the post, right, like not just be

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a shot blocker, but actually be someone that's going to

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like use his body to like alter how teams are

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playing in the post.

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Speaker 1: Do you assign any concern to the way Lowry Marketing

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played last year? Do you chalk most of it up

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to one the roster construction, but two he was and

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this doesn't get talked about him like he was dealing

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with lower back stuff. Basically, Oh, I know, we made

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jokes about who didn't play for the Jazz like he

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actually did have something going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I the lower back stuff is true to an extent.

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There were a couple of times that he was having backspasms,

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and that is certainly something to keep an eye on,

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especially for someone as his size, right, like a seven

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foot guy who has having lower back issues in his

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mid to late twenties, right, Like, you definitely want to

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look at that. But I think, like, you know, I

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think that the Jazz front office, like the first time

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that he came out of a game with backspasms, They're like, oh,

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we can use this, right Like, it's just glee anytime

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anyone gets a bruise on that team, because it's like

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we can use that, Oh, you have backspasm, You're probably

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gonna need to sit out for three weeks, right Like,

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So I think that any injury was extremely exaggerated. The

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Jazz paid a fine for that, right they that was

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that was not a secret that they were manipulating who

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was playing, like twenty four year old Walker Kestler like

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needed rest days, right right? So there there were there

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was definitely exaggeration. I really don't when I see people

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that are like talking about how horrible Lowry played last season,

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compared to other seasons. I'm I'm actually like kind of

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defensive about it because I like, I know, number one,

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if you watch some of these games closely, you've got

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teams that are putting three, sometimes four guys around Lowry

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on a possession because you don't need to guard Isaiah Collier,

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you don't care about guarding Keyante George. You can just

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like you can sag guys in and put them alunt

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around Lowry. They just did not care about the young

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guys on the team. And so so number one, he's

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playing like one v three on most possessions. Also, like

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there was a concerted effort for Lowry to like move

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himself out of position on a lot of possessions and

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to like experiment with his game during the regular season.

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So he was trying like a lot of stuff that

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they were like working on in practice. He was just

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like trying stuff out during games. He wasn't necessarily like

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trying to make the best winning move to win a game.

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He was just like, oh, let's see how this works, like,

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and so it was a lot of like you know,

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he was directed, just like everyone else in the Jazz

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was directed like it's not about the result. Of these

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games that we necessarily care about, you know, like let's

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let's see how we can expand your game even And

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so when I and when I look at maybe like

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a shooting percentage that went down or something like, it's

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really hard for me to accept that Lowry is not

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as good as he was two years ago when I

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saw him just absolutely playing a different game last season.

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Speaker 1: That's a fair point about especially the one v three stuff.

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And I actually had the same conversation with U, Tara

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and Rose from the We Have a Take podcast when

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I was doing the Blazers Look Ahead, Anthonty Simon's was

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getting kind of that similar treatment because like he's the

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only one with gravity. Yeah. I for me, with Lowry

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one is like I never even viewed that as like,

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oh that should be part of his game. Is like,

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let's iso Lowry and like put to your point, like

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the experimentation is valuable. It just felt like he was

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moving with heavier feet last year, and so I assumed

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whenever I was watching him that it had to do

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like something was obviously wrong, but you frame it that way,

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and it's like the roster construction certainly plays a role

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then because of the way he's being defended. Is there anything, then, though,

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that you learn learned from his game, like based off

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the experimentation last season that you think should apply to

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either how he's used this season or what you're watching

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for specifically from him this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I'll also add, like you talk

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about heavy feet, and there was like some of that,

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but you have to remember, like he was also like

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coming into games cold a lot, like because you don't

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play him for a week and then you bring him in,

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you play him two games, and then you don't play

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them for two weeks, and then you bring him in

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and play him one game, right, Like right, that's that's

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no way to keep a guy like really in season condition.

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And so then like if you look at kind of

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how he was moving during euro Basket with a month

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and a half of training leading up to it and

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then like playing basically every day, he looked like he

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was moving just fine.

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Speaker 1: Right. I won't pretend to have paid attention to euro Baskets, sure, yeah,

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drop right there, but.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it's just I think that his allowing him

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to be conditioned for the season was also a part

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of the plan, Like he's not going to move as

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well he's not going to shoot it as well as

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he would have if he had been playing, you know,

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thirty minutes every other day, and so that that's part

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of it. I think that what we learn from like

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him in those ISO situations is that number one, he's

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actually a lot stronger than I think I thought he was,

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because of like the way that he actually did handle himself,

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like when he was being guarded by three different guys

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and being able to kind of like move around and

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use his body and like bump out of it sometimes.

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But then it's hard for me on the other side

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and say, like, well it didn't fare that well like

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in some of those situations. But is that because there

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were three guys and the roster construction was horrible and

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nobody had to care about guarding Isaiah Callier so they

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could sag down and have a ball handler like swiping

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at Lowry the whole time. Like, it's hard to know

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whether or not he's actually good in those situations now

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or not.

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Speaker 1: So how does this how do you see this all ending?

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Because Zach Loow had said something recently that he doesn't

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see a scenario in which Larry Markin is on the

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Jazz a year from now and there is just this

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there's this weird tug of war at play, and you

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kind of touched upon it at the beginning of the

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podcast to where it's like this team, the fan base

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is getting itchy, the organization, the owner is getting itchy,

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but like they also, you know, Austin agent talked about

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we're not gonna basically manipulate the results, is what you

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take away from that SoundBite that he had a few

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months ago. But they might just be bad enough to

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where they could play everybody that it doesn't matter. Does

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that ever come to it? He looked at the renegotiate

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and extend, not hiss hush money, but like, okay, like

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we bought ourselves another year of silence or two years

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of silence from Lowry Marketing. Where does this all end

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up if the Jazz like still aren't on the verge

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or have this clear map to being competitive not this

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season but like the next season in twenty six, twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think's Lowry's personality is actually important here because

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part of the renegotiating extend right was that he he

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didn't sign the deal until the day after like the

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deadline would have been if he if they wanted to

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keep him tradeable for last season, right, so he waited

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until the next day, which meant that the Jazz were

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not able to trade him during last season. And the

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point of that was really clear, like I don't want

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to be traded. I don't want to think about this.

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And Lowry is somebody that like completely understands the assignment.

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He knew exactly what he was signing up for when

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he got the contract. If he didn't want it, he

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could have held out and and said, like I don't

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want to do this, like trade me somewhere else where

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we can actually like win games. He's got three young children,

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like all I think three kids under five at this point. Yeah,

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he's like a young father with a big family. Him

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and his wife love Utah. Then his wife's happiness and

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his kids having like a regular life and schedule is

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actually more important to him than I think the potential

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of like being a playoff team this year. And so

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I actually don't think that there's like awkwardness or tension

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when it comes to like Lowry wanting to win and

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wanting to win right now. I think this stability is

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actually the most important thing to him. He did not

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want to be traded last year. He doesn't want to

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be traded in the middle of a season, Like, if

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it were to happen, he would rather it happened in

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the off season. But also, like I think that he

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really believes in Will Hardy, He really likes him a lot.

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They have a great relationship, and like he really thinks

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that if Will is given a real roster that they

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would have a chance together. And so I don't think

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that he wants to leave Utah. And I think that

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if if the Jazz proved to him like we're actually

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moving towards something, he would have no problem kind of

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waiting it out. Whether or not his his timeline meets

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the Jazz's timeline is another conversation though.

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Speaker 1: But it does sound like they, at least both parties

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it feels like are willing to delay that conversation, or

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at least on Lowry. It's probably more important on Lowry's

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part that if he understands what's going on here, Like,

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you don't have to have that conversation with the Jazz

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if you don't want to until next summer. It's not

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something that needs to be decided at the deadline. Because

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I think a lot of the framing has been I

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think some people believe the Jazz would really like to

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trade him with the number that he's on. But I

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think a lot of people have just assumed from a

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national perspective that he just doesn't He's not gonna want

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to be there for this any longer if this is

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what they're doing. Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think that, yeah, the national perspective of

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like you got to.

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Speaker 1: Get Lowry out of Utah.

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Speaker 2: There's no way he's happy there, right, like, especially with

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you know, them tanking every year and the situation, right like,

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he fully fully understood the situation in the assignment when

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he signed that extension, Like he he knows what's up,

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Like he knows that he knew last year that the

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plan was to tank, and he knew. He knows that

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this year, like that they don't want to lose their

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top eight protected pick to the now reigning champion Oklahoma

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City Thunder, right like, they're not trying to give a

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lottery pick to the Thunder And he understands. He understands

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that too, Like all of these things go into it.

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And I think that, you know, part of the reason

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that they do have such a good relationship with Lowry

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and right now is because they've kind of been upfront

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with him about everything that's happening.

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Speaker 1: Ace Bailey, what did you I respected the hell out

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of the Jazz taking him when everyone thought, and I

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guess rightfully so, that his camp wanted to get him

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to Washington. What did you make of that decision that

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swing on their part? I think you've been among the

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people that have kind of sounded the alarm of like,

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all right, a lot of this stuff is just being

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overblown because there was the holes hes going to report

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to Utah or not, which just would have been like

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frankly unprecedent. And so what did you make of their

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before even getting into his FIP? Like, what did you

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make of the decision to take him in the first place?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I did so much coverage of this

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around the draft and then in the days leading up

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in days after the draft, because it's so so important

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to realize, like when you're hearing stories and you're reading

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headlines and it's like, you know, Ace Bailey is refused

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to work out with any team during the pre draft process.

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Ace Bailey is you know, not holding interviews. Ace Bailey

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won't do this he won't do that. You get this

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perception about this kid who this entitled horrible kid, who

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is making all these decisions, and like it was really

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important for me to be like you guys, like eighteen

481
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,599
year old Ace Bailey is not picking up the phone

482
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:47,359
and being like, uh hey sixers, no thank you? Right, Like,

483
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,720
Ace Bailey is not doing that. Like there was somebody

484
00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:54,160
within his camp that was making these decisions. That turns

485
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,160
out to be Omar Cooper, right who He's the one

486
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,240
that's giving soundbites on Draft night and he's the one that's,

487
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,920
you know, refusing workouts, and a lot of people referred

488
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,079
to Omar as Ace's agent. That's not true. Ace has

489
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,279
other representation. Omar was his manager, and so he was

490
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:13,720
managing his day to day stuff. He was the one

491
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,880
that was trying to manipulate which team he was going to.

492
00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:17,759
But if you go back and you listen to the

493
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:20,799
things that actually Ace set into a microphone, the stuff

494
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:24,680
that like Ace was actually saying, like the the teenager

495
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:28,880
Ace Bailey that he was actually saying out loud. He

496
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,480
was like, I just want to play basketball. I don't

497
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,440
care where I go. Like that, That's not a thing

498
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,279
that I'm thinking about, like and he was. He was

499
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,440
just doing what the people who are around him were

500
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,920
telling him to do, right, And it's got to be

501
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,759
really hard as an eighteen year old to have someone

502
00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:45,640
telling you like, don't worry, this is what's best for you.

503
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,359
We're going to get you into the best situation. Like

504
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,200
you believe that, you believe the people that are in

505
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,480
place to make the best decisions for you. You believe that

506
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,119
they're going to do it and so and then it

507
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,799
turns out that like Omar Cooper has a really shady

508
00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:02,680
background and that he was making a lot of shady

509
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:09,119
decisions for Ace. And after Ace getting drafted, it became

510
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,160
even more apparent because you put him in front of

511
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,079
a microphone and he's just like so excited to be

512
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,599
in the NBA. This is the most like genuine, energetic,

513
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,640
positive kid that I have met in a long time

514
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,839
coming into the NBA. Like, he's just he's such a sweetheart.

515
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,880
And yeah, I think you know, before training camp even started,

516
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,359
the decision was made by a snail and his family

517
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,319
to part ways with Omar Cooper. So he's no longer

518
00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:37,759
even a part of the equation. I think that you know,

519
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:39,960
once you get into the NBA and you start looking

520
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,839
around and everyone's like, hey, man, like that guy made

521
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,960
a really negative reputation for you before you even step

522
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,960
for an NBA court, Like it then became apparent like Okay,

523
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,519
maybe this guy doesn't have my best interest at heart,

524
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:56,240
and so you know, Olmar out of the picture now.

525
00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:01,400
I think that my my read on Ace is that

526
00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:05,960
like he's so excited. Like literally during media Day, it's like,

527
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,559
you know, what are you expecting, Like what do you

528
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:11,960
want to do this season? And he's like, I'll do anything,

529
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,720
I'll clap, I'll get water for my teammates, I just

530
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,759
want to play basketball. Like he's just so enthusiastic and

531
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,240
so excited, and you can see that on the court,

532
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:25,160
whether it during practices or scrimmages or during you know,

533
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,799
the small bit that we saw him in summer League.

534
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:32,319
I think that he was just he's really excited, and

535
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,359
you could go a long way with enthusiasm, right, So, like,

536
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,200
if that's the way that you're coming into the NBA

537
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:40,599
and like you're willing to do anything, that really works

538
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,000
a lot. And I think that what the kind of

539
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:45,640
the more veteran players have said that they've seen is

540
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,440
that Ace has been asking a lot of questions, like

541
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:52,720
he's he's really really trying to figure things out really

542
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,039
fast because he doesn't want to be looked at as

543
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,519
kind of like this rob rookie who doesn't understand things,

544
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,119
and like he gets excited about every single thing that

545
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,920
he learns. Like he talked the other day about man

546
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,039
when I was in college, like I wouldn't have even

547
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:09,240
told you what's the best way to rebound from the corner.

548
00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:10,680
Now I can tell you what the best way to

549
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,559
rebound from the corner is. Like he's just like so

550
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:21,119
excited about learning, and so I think so I'm just

551
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,119
really excited for him. I'm glad that he kind of

552
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,319
has like this this dark cloud that was over Cooper

553
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,359
like away from him now, and I'm I'm excited for

554
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,079
kind of the rest of the NBA world to see

555
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,839
what I've seen kind of in these in these small

556
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,720
moments of being able to talk to him, just like

557
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:37,519
how good of a kid he is and how he's

558
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:38,880
just not what everyone thought he was.

559
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: Do you have any early impressions of his game and

560
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,960
maybe just what you like or some concerns you might

561
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,680
have with how he'll fit in with the roster and

562
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:47,279
your one.

563
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I think that he passes more than anyone

564
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:56,559
thought that he might. Ever he's you know because like

565
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,680
his his assist numbers, his past numbers were honestly just

566
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,200
pretty atrocious at Rutgers. But I think that like when

567
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:05,039
you're the guy they put the ball in your hands

568
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:07,000
and they're like, just go do whatever you can, then

569
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,400
like you're not really asked to pass the ball that much.

570
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,640
And so I'm I've been pleased to see like how

571
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,799
willing he is to give up the ball and how

572
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,920
unselfish he is. I'd like to see more of that.

573
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,079
I am concerned about his shot selection, you know, Like,

574
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,039
do I think that there are gonna be a lot

575
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:27,119
of really ugly possessions where he puts up like a

576
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,079
horrible fade away, mid range you know shot that sometimes

577
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,160
makes it and sometimes like clangs off the side of

578
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,359
the rim with twenty seconds on the shot clock. Yeah,

579
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:40,200
I think that's probably gonna happen sometimes. But you know,

580
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:42,680
he is a rookie, and I think that with you know,

581
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:46,119
more film and sitting down with the assistant coaches and

582
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,240
them being like, so tell me why this was bad,

583
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,359
you know, like I think that he's going to learn fast.

584
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,839
But I think those are probably the two areas that

585
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:58,480
I'm most interested in seeing this season is like can

586
00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:00,720
he clean up the shot selection? And like can he

587
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:01,720
be a facilitator?

588
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:04,559
Speaker 1: How big of a role should we expect him to

589
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:06,000
play out of the jump.

590
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: All the opportunity in the world, Like I think that's why. Yeah,

591
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,640
just absolute runway, absolute green light. Like they want to

592
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,960
see kind of everything in his bag and what he

593
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,960
has to offer right away so that they can start

594
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,000
to fine tune it expeditiously, right Like they don't want

595
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:25,079
him to be like a you know, a five year project.

596
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:27,160
I think they kind of want to like mold him

597
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,960
as fast as they can, and so in order to

598
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,240
do that, they kind of have to to give him

599
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:31,759
a runway.

600
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,599
Speaker 1: Their backcourt situation I find super interesting, maybe morbidly so. Yeah,

601
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,160
as of right now, who do you think will start?

602
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,440
Who do you think who do you think should be

603
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,880
the two starters there? How do you how do you

604
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,119
view that whole thing? Panda out?

605
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the problem here is that, like you're choosing from

606
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:54,000
not good options.

607
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: So it's like.

608
00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:01,279
Speaker 2: Probably the starting point guard is going to be either

609
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:08,599
Keyante George or Isaiah Collier Keyante George the worst defender

610
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,359
in the NBA, Like one of the worst defenders that

611
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:14,440
the league has seen in a long time. Like just

612
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:19,920
does not play defense. Not an efficient scorer, just a

613
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:27,279
chucker if there ever was one. Now he was. I

614
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,359
guess like he saw the consequences of his game play

615
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,559
out when he was benched and taken out of the

616
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,400
starting lineup and brought off the bench for a good

617
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,400
part of the season. Even then, I don't think that

618
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,799
it really changed his game that much. We did, we

619
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:47,000
didn't see like a lot of improvement, especially on the

620
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,559
defensive end. I think that he's going to have to

621
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:52,920
really prove that he can play even any amount of

622
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,319
defense if he not just wants to like have a

623
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,759
role on this team, but stay in the NBA at all.

624
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,200
Then you have Isaiah Collier, who this is like a

625
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,200
six' two point guard who can't shoot, right and so

626
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,920
if you're going to be, small you have to make

627
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,799
up for it with something. Else but then he also

628
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,359
is not good at, defense and so it's, like, well

629
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:18,480
if you're if you're just gonna be the guy who

630
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:21,000
is an incredible passer and can finish at the rim,

631
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:25,000
then but like at six, two, like, yeah you can

632
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,920
finish at the rim until someone actually, cares, right because

633
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,839
then they can then they can just block you into.

634
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,480
Oblivion and so these are not great. Options of, course

635
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,640
everybody is saying all the right things Media day training,

636
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,119
camp right Like Keyante george is saying like it's you,

637
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,079
Know i'm focused on The, wii not me this, season

638
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,599
and LIKE i really am looking at that what's best

639
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:51,000
for the, Team and those are great things to. Say

640
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:55,039
it's all politically correct in THE nba. Landscape Isaiah collier

641
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,400
is saying that he's really worked on his shot in

642
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:04,440
the off. Season of course you better, have, right what

643
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,359
else were you? Doing? Yeah, Great, so like it's gonna

644
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:10,880
be kind of put your money where your mouth is

645
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,079
for these, guys because waiting in the wings there to

646
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,279
take over both of their Jobs Is Walter Clayton. Jr

647
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:21,200
and IF i was a betting, WOMAN i would say

648
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,079
that it kind of doesn't matter who gets that starting

649
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,119
job because LIKE i almost expect For Walter Clayton junior

650
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,440
to take that job at some point this. Season oh,

651
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,680
WOW i.

652
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: Like Walter Clayton. JUNIOR i did not see that one coming.

653
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:38,640
Though does is there value in Because Counta george finishes

654
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,480
last season on the, bench would the logic starting him

655
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:44,839
be we want to just Chain isaiah tether him To

656
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,880
Kyle philipalski's minutes off the bench to ensure there's more

657
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,640
floor spacing it rather than a traditional big With Walker.

658
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,640
Kessler is that something that would go into that or what?

659
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,640
Like BECAUSE i don't understand if you want someone who's

660
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,440
like a really good, passer especially if like Is a's

661
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,960
barely gonna, start you Have lowry on the Wore Walker kessler's,

662
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,640
there you would think That Isaiah collier should be the answer,

663
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,480
Then but if it's gonna Be Kekiante george instead of,

664
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,519
Him i'm just what else would the logic be in that.

665
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,319
Speaker 2: Scenario, yeah if you'd ask me before training camp, STARTED

666
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:11,799
i would have said that it was gonna Be Isaiah

667
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,519
collier based on how last season ended and who you

668
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,880
would want to be playing, with Like walker or whoever

669
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,680
you have out, There like you just need someone who's

670
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,960
going to be a good, passer And isaiah is The

671
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,799
that's the answer that The jazz have right. Now but

672
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,440
the messaging during training camp has been like Man keyante

673
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,880
has had such a good off season and what he

674
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,319
just he's really taken it upon himself to be a

675
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,680
leader this. Offseason like The jazz were absolutely pushing, this

676
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:47,519
this story That kyante he he organized an off season

677
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:50,960
trip for the team down like near his, hometown like

678
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,640
which is Near, dallas and like a bunch of players came,

679
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,720
down they worked out, together and like he was the

680
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:59,960
leader of that like kind of off season. Training mini

681
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,200
not gonna lie is that is my. Thought i'm, LIKE

682
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,759
i don't think That Kyante george to be someone taking

683
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,920
anyone under their wing right, Now, like, no please don't

684
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,039
take pointers From. Kyante we don't have evidence that you

685
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:16,880
should be doing. That SO i, YEAH i think that

686
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,599
the messaging and like the the narrative That kiante has

687
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,000
had such a good, OFFSEASON i think is maybe being

688
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,719
pushed to like prepare us for the fact that he

689
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,599
might be. Starting but LIKE i, said LIKE i would

690
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,239
love to be proven, wrong like, Yes kyante turn into

691
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,199
like a SERVICEABLE nba, Player Isaiah callier shoot above you

692
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,960
know twenty nine. PERCENT i would love to see those things,

693
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,239
Happen LIKE i want success for these, guys, Right BUT

694
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,440
I i just don't have evidence that those things are

695
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,000
going to be true. Yet and WHAT i do have

696
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:55,079
evidence of is, like you know a multi year college

697
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,840
player that is coming in pretty ready to play in THE,

698
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,480
nba who is not afraid of big shots and who

699
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,880
had one of the most important defensive moments in the

700
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,920
championship game In Walter Clayton junior and, yeah AND i,

701
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,440
LIKE i asked him point, blank like do you think

702
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,519
that you're competing for a starting job or like what's going?

703
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:16,280
On he was, like, YEAH i am so he's not

704
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,039
afraid of the competition AND i would not be surprised

705
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:21,559
if he got.

706
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: It do you view him as someone who could develop

707
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,440
into the type of playmaker that can be at the?

708
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,679
Point guard's pop was watching him In Summer, league like

709
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:32,840
that guy can like get shots, off and the way

710
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,800
that he could create them for himself and take any

711
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,559
of them is. INSANE i big fan of his. Game

712
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,039
i'm just wondering if similar TO i kind of believe

713
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:41,880
this With Cante. George although if you go back and

714
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,280
look at WHAT i said after his rookie, YEAR i

715
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,800
probably need to delete EVERYTHING i said about Count A

716
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,760
george's rookie. YEAR i feel like count A george has

717
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,519
probably been miscast and a lot of, them like giving

718
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,400
him so much agency on the ball with The jazz

719
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,000
might have actually ended up hurting, him it feels, Like

720
00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:56,519
and So i'm just, wondering like you what not that

721
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:58,440
WHAT i don't want to say what Makes Walter clayton?

722
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:00,440
Different but why do you have more COMFORTS i guess

723
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,639
in him being able to be more of like that

724
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,199
floor general esque type of.

725
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:06,119
Speaker 2: Player, YEAH i MEAN i THINK i think That i've

726
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:11,000
seen like his passing is, good and LIKE i, think more,

727
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:13,719
importantly like he really understands the game, Right like you

728
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,519
can see that he's like calculating and he's making reads

729
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:20,559
and he's understanding like where his teammates. Are AND i think,

730
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:25,440
that like in a situation where he is not tasked

731
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,800
with taking the big shots all the, time it's, like, hey,

732
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,960
actually Like lowry is on your, team that's your, teammate

733
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:33,159
and he's the best guy on this, team so like

734
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,920
give him the, ball, right like when once he understands

735
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,599
kind of his place in the pecking order of what's,

736
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:43,800
Happening LIKE i have confidence that he would be able

737
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,199
to be more of a floor general than maybe what

738
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,480
he's shown in the. Past on the On keyante's, SIDE

739
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:53,639
i think that you're absolutely, right like putting him on

740
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:56,440
the ball so much has hurt him in that we

741
00:36:56,519 --> 00:36:59,400
see that that's not how he should be playing. Basketball

742
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:04,920
but the other side of that is like is he

743
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,280
AN nba? Two, no he's not nearly efficient enough to do, that.

744
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,360
Yep so like then we have to, ask, like, well

745
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,960
then what Is keyante in THE? Nba like does he

746
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,519
have a? Play he can't be on the ball all

747
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,039
the time because he's not efficient. There he can't shoot

748
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:22,000
well enough to be a, two definitely not big enough

749
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,400
to be a. Three so like what is He AND

750
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,920
i think that like best case, scenario it's like a

751
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,519
sixth Man Jordan clarkson type of thing where you kind

752
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:33,519
of just like let him run and do whatever he.

753
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:36,840
Wants but, again is he efficient enough for you to

754
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,559
give him kind of that? Leeway and SO i think

755
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:44,159
that The jazz really really really Want keante to be.

756
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,360
Good they're, hoping, like please let this kid be.

757
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,519
Speaker 1: Good the aesthetics of his game sometimes are just like

758
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:51,480
how are you not? Good, yes when you look at

759
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:53,440
some of the stuff he Don't the separation you create

760
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,440
it's how is this guy not? Amazing and so you

761
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:57,679
look at him play sometimes like, yeah like he'll be,

762
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,440
good and then they'll be, like, okay why you're, like,

763
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,199
Well i'm just going off.

764
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 2: Vibes, yeah, yeah one hundred. Percent it's off vibes right.

765
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,960
Now AND i think, that, like, yeah The jazz front,

766
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,320
office the coaching, staff like they're just hoping that something

767
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,039
clicks with, him because, like if it, doesn't then it's

768
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,360
hard to imagine a place where he really fits on

769
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:15,800
AN nba.

770
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,079
Speaker 1: Roster what's, interesting, though IS i still might have a

771
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:21,840
little bit more faith in him panning out as AN

772
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,559
nba player Than Isaiah collier Because calier has the one elite,

773
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,360
skill yes that we know he can, do but the

774
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,679
absence of any sort of jump shot feels like it's

775
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:36,599
completely debilitating at that, position the right and then and

776
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,559
can't even, Defend so like at that level, ANYWAY i have,

777
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:41,559
more BUT i have more confidence in him being able

778
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:44,119
to defend long term Than Kyante. George So i've been

779
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:45,760
WHEN i was putting this outline, TOGETHER i was trying to,

780
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,599
THINK i was, like who WOULD i bet, on like

781
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:49,800
still being or being the BETTER nba, Player like five

782
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,320
or seven years from, NOW i THINK i still Mean

783
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,639
Keyante george even Though Isaiah callier clearly has that one

784
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,360
ELITE nba skill that should entrench him in that.

785
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: Discussion, yeah it's hard for me IF i, was you,

786
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,800
know choosing between which one is actually going to have

787
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:10,480
like a LENGTHY nba career or could have length THE nba, Career,

788
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:13,760
like that's hard BECAUSE i would do the same thing as,

789
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,400
you as Like isaiah is good at. Something he's really

790
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,199
really good at, something but it's the only, thing, Right

791
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,119
like if you look across like what other kind of point, guards,

792
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,400
Right Like Trey young can't. Defend he is a good,

793
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,039
passer but he also can shoot the, ball right and so,

794
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:35,400
like But isaiah is like he doesn't defend and he

795
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,679
can't shoot the, ball and so like you just you

796
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,639
trying to like compare him to like how could a

797
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:42,719
point guard like him survive in THE? Nba and, frankly,

798
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,519
like as a regular season point, GUARD i could see

799
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:47,840
it working. Out but he, like if you're not going

800
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,360
to defend and you can't like help space the, floor

801
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,159
then a point guard Like Isaiah collier is completely unplayable

802
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:57,719
in the playoffs because defenses will plan for, that like,

803
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,800
you you're just not going to be able to survive

804
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,880
in a postseason like. That AND i think similarly To Keyante,

805
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,159
george if you want to be someone who's actually going

806
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:11,239
to be playable in a, postseason your skills have to

807
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,360
be such that you can deal with hiding someone on,

808
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,559
defense Right LIKE Jj, reddick, right like constantly had to

809
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:22,039
hide him defensively because he couldn't do it. Right but

810
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,239
he was like shooting at forty, percent so like you didn't, care, Right,

811
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,320
yeah that's Not Kanta.

812
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,599
Speaker 1: George so.

813
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:34,639
Speaker 2: He has to be able to like have a distinguishable

814
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,719
skill set and right, NOW i don't know what that.

815
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,199
Speaker 1: Is where Does bryce sense A bah factor into all

816
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:43,519
this after last year's flame throwing. Stretch.

817
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,199
Speaker 2: Yeah bryce is a great example of like the opposite

818
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,880
of what we're seeing From isaiah And, kyante where he's, Like,

819
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:53,039
OKAY i know what my skill set. Is MY nba

820
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,440
skill set is That i'm a, shooter And i'm just

821
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:58,920
going to lean into. THAT i fully understand That i'm

822
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,960
a niche player and that's. Fine that's HOW i can

823
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,199
make MY nba career. Last and he knows that he's

824
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,519
not a great, defender but he's taking every step that

825
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:10,800
he can to try to make a little bit.

826
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: Better.

827
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: Right like the first THING i noticed media day When

828
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,880
bryce walked into the, ROOM i was, like, whoa he

829
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,639
looks a lot, skinnier and that was one of the

830
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,800
things that was literally slowing him. Down like he's not

831
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,880
a fast. Guy he needs to be able to like

832
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,719
run around screens. Faster he needs to be able to

833
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,599
try and keep anybody in front of him for any

834
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:33,199
amount of. Time he's got really good hands on, defense

835
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,000
but just because he's so, slow he's often like not

836
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:39,960
in good, position and so he's like leaning into. It he's, like,

837
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,760
YEP i need to be faster And i'm going to

838
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,039
keep shooting the hell out of the. Ball and SO

839
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,719
i think that that is the smartest thing for, Him,

840
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,519
like don't try to be something that you're not when

841
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:53,039
you see a clear. Path Like George nieaning also on

842
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,239
The jazz roster, again which can still be.

843
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,519
Speaker 1: United, Yeah like that's a great.

844
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,599
Speaker 2: Example of like a not fast guy who just realizes

845
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,079
his skill. Set, Right he's been in THE nba for

846
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,400
a decade, Now like you can turn that into a

847
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,519
career even if you're not good at other, stuff and so,

848
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,800
LIKE i, Mean bryce has got a great blueprint to

849
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,599
stay in THE. Nba if like you need someone that's

850
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,280
gonna shoot like upwards of forty, percent he can do.

851
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: It he's, like if he finned, OUT i could see

852
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:24,480
him being like a slower Footed Isaiah, joe WHICH i

853
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,440
think would still be a pretty VALUABLE nba. Player But

854
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,760
Isaiah joe can do things like screen and defend a little.

855
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,280
BIT i don't know If bryce is gonna be able

856
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:30,440
to do.

857
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: That Long, YEAH i would love to See bryce be

858
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:35,280
able to defend a little, bit just a tiny. Type

859
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,400
like that's, honestly like the biggest problem in all of,

860
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,079
This like if we're talking ABOUT i, mean how Does

861
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:47,400
Walker kessler's game, Improve like you have to talk a

862
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,199
lot about the about the fact that there's like absolutely

863
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,519
no ball pressure on this team at, all and so

864
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:56,559
like that's gonna trickle down and affect absolutely. Everybody it's

865
00:42:56,559 --> 00:43:00,320
gonna Affect Lowry, markinen like it it is really really

866
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,960
important for anyone on this team to step up and

867
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:06,519
actually take guarding the ball as an important part of their,

868
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:09,480
job because otherwise it's gonna make everyone look.

869
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: Bad Teller hendrix coming back from the leg ankle. Injury

870
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,079
my first question is should we expect any limitations in

871
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:18,960
his minutes or when he's playing on back to. BACKS

872
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000
i know they said he was fully, cleared BUT i

873
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:23,199
feel like that's not necessarily gonna, mean, oh he's gonna

874
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:24,800
play thirty minutes with game and back to backs right

875
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:25,079
out of the.

876
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,159
Speaker 2: Game, YEAH i, THINK i mean definitely there's gonna be

877
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,280
probably some minute restrictions just, Physiologically like you can't not

878
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,480
play basketball for a year and then come back and,

879
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:36,119
play you, know twenty five minutes every night and play

880
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:37,920
on back to, backs like you're putting yourself at risk

881
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,239
no matter who you are or what the injury. Was

882
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,760
and SO i would fully expect there to be like

883
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,239
a twenty twenty five minute cap probably to start. With

884
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,559
wouldn't expect him to play on back to. Backs that'll

885
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:55,000
probably be like a slow ramp. Up but outside of,

886
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:59,440
THAT i really think, that, uh they're gonna give him

887
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:01,599
kind of the same amount of runway That Ace bailey

888
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:07,960
is going to get because that it is necessary for

889
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,519
one and probably both of those players to really pop

890
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:13,320
for The jazz because if you look at what they've

891
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,199
done the last three years after like The Donovan mitchell blow. Up, Right,

892
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:23,679
like they've had nine draft, picks and that includes guys Like, Keyante,

893
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:29,239
George Isaiah, Collier Cody, williams WHO i still. Believe, SURE

894
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,559
i would love, to but, like what do you really

895
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:34,280
have to show for?

896
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: This?

897
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: Right Like Taylor hendrix was one of the players that

898
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,719
they picked up in the draft that was, like this

899
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,360
guy could be really. Elite he's going to be a

900
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,599
long term, project but like he has all the tools

901
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:47,920
to be an INCREDIBLE nba, player and then he breaks his, leg,

902
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:51,320
right and so now the next great hope for them

903
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,039
Is Ace. Bailey, like if you come out of this

904
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,679
three four year process and you've got nobody that looks

905
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,079
like they could be AN nba like star level, player

906
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,400
what have The jazz? Done?

907
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,039
Speaker 1: Uh that's a great. Question. Yeah SO i.

908
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,159
Speaker 2: Think That taylor is going to be given like a huge.

909
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:13,559
Runway he's going to be given a lot of. OPPORTUNITY

910
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,239
i think that there's probably going to be some discussion

911
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,920
on whether or not he's playing at the, three maybe

912
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,639
coming in Behind. Lowry can he play the? Four is

913
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:26,239
he big enough to do? It he's kind of bulked

914
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,559
up the last, year so like maybe that's that is

915
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:32,880
he going to be competing With Kyle philipowski for. MINUTES

916
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,880
i think that all of those are questions With, taylor

917
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,760
but like, importantly they need one of these young guys

918
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,639
to actually look like they can carry a.

919
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: Team i'm not sure to. SEE i think probably right

920
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,599
Now Taylor hendricks has to still be their best on ball,

921
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:49,320
defender which is kind of cool but also problematic when

922
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,559
from that major. Injury So i'm interest to see how

923
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:54,400
that how he does with that following the. Injury but

924
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:56,360
what do you view as LIKE i never got a

925
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,840
great feel for what he could be on the offensive

926
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,840
end before the. Injury do you any idea of what

927
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,199
you think his best role should?

928
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: Be, YEAH i mean before the, injury he felt like

929
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,719
a three because he's got a great. SHOT i, mean

930
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,960
his his shot form is really. Great he was a

931
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,239
good shooter in, college and so you think that he

932
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,920
and he's really really fast, too and so like his

933
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,079
ability to like space the floor and move around and

934
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:26,280
like move on back, cuts like that's all really. Promising

935
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,159
and it seemed at FOR i think before the injury,

936
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:34,039
too that like he was maybe not as like upper

937
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,280
body strong to play in the four, Now i'm not

938
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,280
sure because he's absolutely jacked, now like he spent you,

939
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,440
know a year of having a broken leg and just

940
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,079
like bulked, Up and so is he strong enough now

941
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:48,559
to like kind of play in some of those four

942
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:53,039
positions and be able to like hold his own defensively against.

943
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:57,599
SOMEONE i, Mean Lebron james is a horrible example of

944
00:46:57,639 --> 00:46:59,119
a person to, use but like kind of in that

945
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:01,960
in that kind of body, type that six's eight six,'

946
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:05,639
nine like bulky guy who can kind of do everything with,

947
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:08,840
The ball like can you defend someone? Like That, AND

948
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,840
yeah i think that's gonna there's gonna be probably a

949
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,320
lot of experimentation. WITH him i think that he probably

950
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,320
sees himself as more of. A three and in that

951
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,079
case on, the jazz does that mean that you're Like

952
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:23,440
playing lowry as? A four which, is fine like that,

953
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:27,159
happens sometimes but he he fares better when he's playing at.

954
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:31,039
Speaker 1: The THREE so I do i find more intrigue though

955
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:33,480
of like if you Can, Play hendrix Lowry And ace

956
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,039
bailey together as like, you're two, THREE four i think

957
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:37,280
that's like ideal for.

958
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: The, jazz yeah one of my you in, your outline

959
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,159
you had mentioned like an interesting lineup or something that

960
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,599
like is WACKY that i think About the jazz having

961
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:50,320
the ability to like do the ultra, long lineup and

962
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:55,159
so It's Like, Walker, Lowry, Taylor Hendrix, Ace Bailey, kyle

963
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:58,960
philipowski like having all of them and Like using ace

964
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:02,039
as the point guard in, That SITUATION like i, favor

965
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:04,719
yeah and SO like i want To see i'm a

966
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,840
big fan of just like do anything whack, a doodle

967
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,239
just like throw a bunch Of WEIRD so i want

968
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:09,800
to see all the tallest guys you can put on

969
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,320
the court at the, Same, time like let's see how.

970
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: It works i'm gonna Have to i'm gonna have to

971
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,519
use whackadoodle for that question, from NOW and i call

972
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:17,920
it weird. O lineups whack a doodle lineups is so. Much,

973
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,559
Better uh Kyle, phil powski what stood out to you

974
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:24,679
most from his? Rookie season and also do you think

975
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,280
that he has to play? The fours this someone to

976
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,079
where maybe even if it's just against strictly, second units

977
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:33,000
that they can get by with him at the, five defensively,

978
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,559
OF course i, mean offensively there's not really a QUESTION there.

979
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,679
Speaker 2: I mean i don't think you can play with. THE

980
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,119
five i, really, don't cause like he got absolutely roasted

981
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:50,000
playing against whoever like the, you know whoever was being

982
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:53,719
played In Like, summer League The Utah Jazz summer league

983
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,599
games at, the, five right so like you're talking about

984
00:48:56,599 --> 00:49:03,519
Like the Memphis and sixers or whoever third string center guys,

985
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,840
Right like and he was just absolutely getting flamed by.

986
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,400
Those guys just they were bodying him and like he

987
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,559
had nothing to offer defensively. Against them and so put

988
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:18,199
him up against, You know Joel embiid wemby, Right like

989
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,519
it's just he. IT'S impossible i, right now he's just

990
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,039
like not nearly. Strong enough he doesn't understand how to

991
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:27,360
use his upper body enough to be able to deal

992
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,000
with something. Like that AND so i think you kind

993
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,400
of have to play him at the four unless. YOU'RE fine,

994
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,039
i mean If the jazz are trying to, lose games

995
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:35,119
maybe they will be playing him at.

996
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: The five so That's When walker kessel's jump shot will come. In,

997
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:45,599
Hand EITHER so I do i STILL just i don't

998
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:48,320
love him at the, four either but just someone who

999
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,320
like a big dude who can move like he does

1000
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,280
without the ball and even some of the passing chops,

1001
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,920
he showed and then you just combine that with his

1002
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,840
shooting percentage. Last year it's it feels like there's A

1003
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,440
real nba rotation player, there, though right even though he,

1004
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:02,760
HAS that i think we're in the age of it's

1005
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,920
not about, small ball and it does feel like we're playing,

1006
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,280
super big but it's like multi, Like positionality like you

1007
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,440
don't want that player who plays a. Singular position he

1008
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:12,840
kind of does feel like THAT because i don't want

1009
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,760
to see him at. THE three i Mean like i'll,

1010
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,360
See it i'll, watch IT but i DON'T like i

1011
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,559
don't think it's. Gonna, go well you're gonna.

1012
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:21,679
Speaker 2: Watch, IT yeah I think i'm the. Same way it's

1013
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,599
like very much Like the lowry Market and, Mold right

1014
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:29,639
like he's a seven foot guy like that typically in

1015
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:32,159
the history, Of basketball like you have a, seven footer

1016
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:34,719
then he's. Your center but Like Clearly lowry marketing is not, a.

1017
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,800
Center right but like if you've got a lineup where

1018
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,239
you can have Guys like Lowry and Philipaski and hendrix

1019
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,800
and they're kind of all interchangeable and all have, SIZE

1020
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:49,840
enough i think that speed and, like basketball acumen can

1021
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,440
be just as valuable as strength if you're able to

1022
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:57,199
use it in the right way. Against strength AND so i,

1023
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:01,920
think that, YOU know i at the in, One breath i'm,

1024
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,079
being like who, Is? Keyante george can you play a

1025
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:06,239
one or? A? Two like there are times that like

1026
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,760
positionally those things, are important but then there are times where, it's,

1027
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,119
like yeah, Who cares Like put lowry at, the Three

1028
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,119
put philipowski at the five And played hendrix at, the

1029
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,599
four like let's see if, it works like because sometimes

1030
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,760
those things. Can work AND so, i think and especially,

1031
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,440
basketball now like it is trending in.

1032
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: That Direction, cody williams in the interest of full disclosure

1033
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,679
to everyone watching, or listening he was number one or

1034
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:32,239
two on my big board coming out of. THE draft

1035
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,960
i might Have Moved reed shepherd ahead of, him BEFORE

1036
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,639
but i. Can't remember his first season did not bode

1037
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,159
well for, Years truly where are you at? With him

1038
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:45,639
and what are reasonable expectations heading into? Year two, oh, boy,

1039
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:50,320
Uh look i'll, Say this i'm drinking the kool. Aid

1040
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,199
again he looks Stronger In. Summer league it felt like

1041
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:56,199
there was a little bit more on ball. Burst there

1042
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,440
if you, told me and maybe. HE has i haven't

1043
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,000
been paying as much attention to the quotes. Coming out

1044
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,840
if you said that he did like some gym sessions

1045
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,880
with his Brother j dub over, The summer i'll buy

1046
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,239
any stock than. Anybody's SELLING but i also Know That

1047
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,800
ja dubb was dealing with a, risk INJURY so i

1048
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,599
don't know how much workouts they would have actually been

1049
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:13,079
able to. Do together i'll go.

1050
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: Both directions i'll both, you know bolster You On Cody,

1051
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,400
williams island And then i'll give a dose. Of reality

1052
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:22,079
we need skip.

1053
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:23,199
Speaker 1: The reality don't even worry.

1054
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 2: About it he worked out a Lot with jadeb. This

1055
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,519
summer he spent a ton of time. With him and

1056
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:31,000
so you're talking about a guy that's working out with.

1057
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:35,159
A champion jadeb's working out with. His teammates cody's there

1058
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:40,440
in the gym, with them like. That happened so also

1059
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:45,159
he's literally trying to like eat and weightlift his way

1060
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:51,679
into HAVING an, Nba body, me too amen on all.

1061
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:52,199
Speaker 1: Of us.

1062
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: He says. It's working he says he's. Gained weight, of

1063
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,760
course that's what. You know everyone gained in the off season.

1064
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,119
Training camp everyone comes in and talks about how they

1065
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:04,599
got taller and how they. Gained weight SO.

1066
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,079
Speaker 1: Does i feel like this year a, little bit it's

1067
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:09,559
been more OF like glp one watch Though Than. MUSCLE

1068
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:11,960
watch i feel like everyone's leaner, and Slimmer Like jalen

1069
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,039
brunson's lost weight to play fits just everyone's. So slim, i'm,

1070
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:17,440
like man media. Day's, changed yeah.

1071
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,519
Speaker 2: Uh Yeah When bryce sinsiba, WALKED in i, saw that

1072
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:23,880
like he looked like he'd, slimmed down and he's talking

1073
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,400
about having like cauliflower brownies, and Stuff and, i'm, like

1074
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,400
yeah is that? Is that with your, Injection, Though, Like

1075
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,599
okay i'm gonna tell you something Real About. Cody, williams

1076
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:39,840
okay this isn't this is an. Actual thing by the

1077
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,119
end of, last season every time that he had the

1078
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:46,960
ball in, his hands me and The other, jazz reporters

1079
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,360
our thing was like we just wanted to. Hit rim at,

1080
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,280
this point that was like we weren't, even, hoping, like

1081
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,800
oh we hope he can hit, A percentage like we're, just,

1082
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,079
like man if he can just hit, the rim that

1083
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:03,320
would be. Really nice so that that's where the expectations

1084
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,840
were with him by the end of, The, season Now

1085
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,159
the jazz had an intrasquad scrimmage at a high school

1086
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,159
yesterday where they just surprised the students and kind of

1087
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:16,119
their annual. Preseason scrimmage they did it at a, high

1088
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:19,119
school like in front of. The, students now that is

1089
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,920
a glorified. Dunk line it's Basically The all, Star game

1090
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,599
like it's just to, do, highlights right and so with,

1091
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:30,519
that said it should be really hard to stand out

1092
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:32,519
as someone who's doing a really bad job in.

1093
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: That right, OH man i don't like where this, Is,

1094
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,079
Going sarah, and, LIKE.

1095
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah i when you miss layups and you dribble the

1096
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,920
ball off your foot and you're missing three pointers during

1097
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,400
the intra squad scrimmage out of, high school that was

1098
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,400
basically like a glorified. DUNK line i, was like at

1099
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,480
least he. Hit rim he did hit rim that. One

1100
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:56,239
time that's.

1101
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: Improvement then so.

1102
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,599
Speaker 2: My expectations are so Low, For, cody well they couldn't

1103
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:05,920
be lower at, This, point like if he has any

1104
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:10,119
kind of positive impact, this season it's going to be a. Huge,

1105
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:13,360
Win man he's got a long way.

1106
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: To go what type of opportunity are they going to

1107
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,800
give him to prove himself or to prove that he

1108
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,920
Doesn't belong does it bode well? For him and All

1109
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,159
That ace bailey And Maybe taylor hendrix are like if

1110
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:27,880
you're looking to identify wings like capslock wings on, this

1111
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,440
roster the list kind of. Ends there and that's THE

1112
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,599
way i think a lot of People, consider hendrix maybe

1113
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:34,920
even more before as you were talking. About before so

1114
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:37,119
will the opportunity still be there or are they going

1115
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:39,599
to Give him maybe where you're Talking About ace bailey

1116
00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:42,639
getting a, long Runway Is cody william's gonna have like

1117
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:46,159
a shorter runway because of What the jazz witnessed throughout.

1118
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:50,079
LAST season, I mean i.

1119
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: Think the problem is that they do want to see

1120
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,320
like they are trying to weed out people at, this

1121
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,119
point like as are trying to, be like, all right

1122
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:04,079
who's gonna last and who's who can we, you know cut,

1123
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:09,679
Ties with AND like i said at, the beginning they're

1124
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,079
trying to put lineups out on the court that actually

1125
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:14,639
kind of makes some sense this season so that they,

1126
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:17,719
can see like what would things look like in A real,

1127
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,639
Nba world like if you put guys next to each

1128
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:21,679
other that made sense on. The court and so part

1129
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,480
of the problem there, is That Like kyle anderson is on,

1130
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:29,280
this roster and, so Like If cody williams is like

1131
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,320
not doing well, in practice if he is kind of

1132
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,440
not earning the, minutes there they might rather have some

1133
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,719
of those guys play Next To kyle anderson to see

1134
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,440
how they. Really fared then they Would Put cody williams on.

1135
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: The floor rough stuff for me, Over HERE but i

1136
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,239
will sol draw ON because i have. No choice you

1137
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,920
Mentioned The, kyle anderson who among the veterans that are

1138
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,880
on this, roster now and you're Looking At kevin love Use,

1139
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,760
Of nurkics George and Y And, kyle anderson do you

1140
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,480
view as like most likely to play the big role on?

1141
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:05,559
Speaker 2: This, TEAM yeah i, Mean probably like biggest role is a.

1142
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:08,960
LITTLE subjective i Think That kyle anderson is definitely going

1143
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:14,719
To play nurkic will almost certainly be getting Like Backup Centerman's.

1144
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,639
KEVIN LOVE i i can't imagine that he actually gets

1145
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:26,440
like valuable minutes Unless will hardy is trying to like send, a,

1146
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,559
message right in which Case will hardy has been known

1147
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:32,159
to do that with some of. His lineups, so like

1148
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,039
if guys are, in trouble, THEN yeah i bet you'll

1149
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:37,760
be seeing a Lot Of, Kevin Love, george niang Use

1150
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,320
of nurkic.

1151
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: Being USED.

1152
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: But i think that they're more there as kind of

1153
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,199
guideposts for these, Young, guys, like Uh the Jazz Had

1154
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,960
patty mills for, a, minute right and they used him

1155
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:53,679
kind of in the. Same way, it's like can you

1156
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:58,559
can You Teach isaiah Collier And kanta? George anything turns

1157
00:57:58,559 --> 00:57:58,840
out you?

1158
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,599
Speaker 1: Can't inhibition can you teach them?

1159
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:01,719
Speaker 2: Some?

1160
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: Inhibition, yeah no the answer.

1161
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: Is no and and then like, you know there's gonna,

1162
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,599
Be injuries there's gonna be times during the season where

1163
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:11,280
like you're just gonna, need bodies AND so i think

1164
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:16,840
those guys are there for. Those CASES but i really, do, think,

1165
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,639
Like Uh will hardy Really Wants kevin love to be

1166
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,480
like a leader because he was a young player on

1167
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:27,920
a really young Team. In minnesota like he knows what this,

1168
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,239
looks like and he knows like what the path eventually

1169
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,480
looks like to getting to like championship, level basketball and

1170
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:37,440
so like being that vocal leader kind of that cliche

1171
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,920
like veteran in the. LOCKER room i think that that's

1172
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:42,840
That's Why kevin love is here and how they see

1173
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,320
that he can. Add VALUE but i think if we're

1174
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,320
talking about like actually on, the Court Like kyle anderson

1175
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,840
and Use of nurkic are probably gonna. GET minutes.

1176
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: I Hope kyle anderson for sure can. Do this and

1177
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,039
one of my pet peeves About the jazz is it

1178
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:02,360
felt like they had the opportunity to run on offense more,

1179
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:04,960
last year especially when you don't have that delineated, pecking

1180
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:07,840
ORDER and i know now having maybe Not having clarkson

1181
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,039
insect in there like clears. That up but Someone, like Niang,

1182
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,079
like anderson Certainly Like, kevin love like on the inbounds

1183
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:16,199
or after, a rebound like we'll make sure either the

1184
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,679
right person is getting the ball immediately so you can

1185
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:21,360
get into your, offense Faster Or kyle anderson will like

1186
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,320
drive it up. The court it'll be, very slowly but

1187
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,239
like you could still get into semi transition at. That

1188
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,960
point so THAT'S what. I like i like the idea

1189
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,599
of doing that because, even now when you look at

1190
00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:33,039
this offensive pecking Order, in utah it's, not defined like,

1191
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,159
you Said Like ace bailey's gonna get a ton. Of

1192
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:38,440
opportunity So We're, TAYLOR hendrix, I say Kyllier And keyante

1193
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:39,880
georgia go and have the ball in, their hands but

1194
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,039
there's NO one i. Look At and lowry of course

1195
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,599
might be, the default but it's like someone running up,

1196
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:47,039
the floor like getting you into your offense or attacking in.

1197
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:49,199
Semi transition you don't look at someone and, say, like

1198
00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:51,679
no that needs to be. The guy and so having

1199
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,199
those three veterans specifically like knowing how to, DO that

1200
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,400
I hope i just wanted to get playing time if

1201
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,239
that's what it results in a little, bit MORE because

1202
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:01,719
i think when you're at a talent deficit on offense

1203
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,800
or even a floor, general deficit getting out, after rebounds

1204
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,079
but even more so after opponent makes is like the

1205
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:09,800
big market inefficiency for.

1206
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: Me, Anyway YEAH and i think you know that all

1207
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,519
plays Into what i'm, talking about is like they they

1208
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:17,679
need kind of these veteran players to be on the

1209
01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:19,760
court with some of these, young guys if for, nothing

1210
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,639
else to just do the connecting pieces of basketball that

1211
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:25,480
make things run a little bit, more, Smoothly right like

1212
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,119
if you've got a bunch of like young guys who

1213
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:31,880
like don't understand the game AND they're, i, mean frankly

1214
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,199
there were so many times during last season that it

1215
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:38,519
was Like Between, Colin, Sexton Keyante George, Isaiah collier they're

1216
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:40,000
all on the court at the, same time, it's, like

1217
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:41,639
wait who's bringing the ball? Up COURT am i? Doing

1218
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:42,920
it are you? Doing? It like and then they get

1219
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,320
an eight. Second violation it's like someone just needs to,

1220
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,840
Go right like Just go and, so yeah just having

1221
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,599
like connecting pieces of guys who are, really smart even

1222
01:00:54,679 --> 01:00:58,280
just a little, bit smart is really really important For this, and,

1223
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,559
like yeah getting out after makes is something they need

1224
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:06,159
to do defending after, a make like any anything that

1225
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:11,480
they do after a make, like this having anyone on

1226
01:01:11,519 --> 01:01:13,639
the court that can do something that's the right decision

1227
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:15,920
after a made basketball is gonna be a good thing For.

1228
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,079
Speaker 1: The, jazz well you might have just answered my next,

1229
01:01:18,159 --> 01:01:20,280
question here WHICH is i think if you point at

1230
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,960
basically any aspect of, the defense you would just find.

1231
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,159
An Issue There's walker kessler can be like transcended as a.

1232
01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:30,159
Rim protector, beyond that there's a lot. Of issues where

1233
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:32,960
do you think is the most room? For improvement is

1234
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,559
it hey defend when you have an opportunity to get

1235
01:01:35,559 --> 01:01:37,280
your defense set After makes because they were one of

1236
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,159
the worst teams in the league at defending after makes

1237
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:41,639
as you, Just mentioned is it there? Another area? Is

1238
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:43,559
there just not a hope when you're looking at how

1239
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:45,639
many young guys are on this roster for them to

1240
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:49,880
even be? Competent defensively like where is there a realistic

1241
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,639
area of major improvement for this Team on.

1242
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 2: Really hard to pick one because they're, So BAD but i,

1243
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,119
think that like my top three would, be, like, like

1244
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:05,719
yes defending after. A, make also just like any amount

1245
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,159
of perimeter, ball pressure any just like if one guy

1246
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,559
on this roster stays in front of their man with,

1247
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:15,079
the ball like that's, gonna help, because, Like Yeah walker

1248
01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:17,000
kestler is a great, rim protector he can't do it

1249
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:20,199
when like, you know four guys are able to like

1250
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:22,239
break the perimeter and just like everyone's coming at him at.

1251
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:24,400
One time he can't block that, many, Shots RIGHT like

1252
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:29,800
i think that probably like the this is gonna sound

1253
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,920
so infantilizing and, so, rude honestly, but, like Defensively the

1254
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:39,760
jazz deserve it at. This point they are just like

1255
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,280
such ball watchers and that's that's why you get stuff

1256
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:48,880
like being horrible, on defense like after make they're like

1257
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:51,199
boxing out and trying to get a rebound like that's

1258
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,559
they're just so bad at that because like the ball

1259
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:57,559
goes into, the basket like they're watching it, bounce out

1260
01:02:57,679 --> 01:02:59,800
who's gonna? Grab it like they're not trying to get

1261
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,880
back someone shoots a three point shot Like you literally

1262
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,880
there's so many video clips you can watch from jazz

1263
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,480
games of guys literally like watching the ball arc all

1264
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,159
the way to the basket and like not finding, A

1265
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:13,360
body like they just have to stop. Ball watching it's

1266
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,800
like a high school habit that so many of them

1267
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,800
need to break out of, and hopefully like if they

1268
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,199
were to stop, doing that then they'd be better in

1269
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,440
transition on, transition defense they'd be better at pressuring. The

1270
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,679
ball like it just needs to be more about bodies

1271
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:28,920
and less about, the ball which.

1272
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: Feels, insane sarah are you ready to Enter Our Cookie

1273
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,480
cutter Slash A lightning round portion of?

1274
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,239
Speaker 2: The podcast never never been.

1275
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: More ready when you look at, this roster what do

1276
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,079
you view as its single biggest need heading into the?

1277
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,599
Regular season preferably non they need like a.

1278
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: Star, division uh they need a point guard who can shoot.

1279
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: The, BALL yeah i think that would help if you're

1280
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:57,880
building actually. This, question first what's something that's flying under

1281
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,559
the radar about? This TEAM and i haven't asked you

1282
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,599
that not an people are talking about that you think

1283
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:02,239
deserves more of.

1284
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 2: A spotlight PROBABLY what, i mentioned like the absolute necessity

1285
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,440
That the, jians have like so much of their hope

1286
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,320
is writing On Like taylor Hendrix And ace bailey actually

1287
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:18,639
like turning into really elite, Basketball players like it's so

1288
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:22,920
so important for them because if both of them are

1289
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,480
not as good as, they're hoping then like you're putting

1290
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:28,760
all of your future Basically In ajda Bonsa And darren

1291
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,519
peterson and hoping that you can get one.

1292
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:34,719
Speaker 1: Of them stakes are high this season in ways people do. Not,

1293
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,039
realize APPARENTLY if i ask you to build a ten

1294
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:41,079
man rotation for, this team who are your? Five starters

1295
01:04:41,079 --> 01:04:43,960
and then who are the five most? Used, Reserves, thereafter.

1296
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah you said lightning round and then you give like

1297
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,079
the hardest question For.

1298
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: The jazz this Is so and you're, right too because

1299
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,199
this is my twenty fourth. Look ahead AND when i

1300
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:56,400
was putting it together in, THE outline I was i

1301
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,360
Put Like walker Keshler And lowry market in the, starting

1302
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:59,960
LINEUP and i was. Feeling good, i'm like, all right

1303
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,320
where do we go? From, here yes THAT'S.

1304
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: A i mean it's a great question because like probably what's, gonna,

1305
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,880
Happen right like You, Get, Walker kessler lowry markin and those.

1306
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,559
Are given are you Gonna Start? Ace bailey?

1307
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,239
Speaker 1: They? Should right like what's the argument against? Starting?

1308
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,119
Speaker 2: HIM right i guess like any seniority or like kind

1309
01:05:23,159 --> 01:05:24,639
of benefit of the doubt that you want to give

1310
01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:26,320
any of the guys that maybe had a good last

1311
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,760
season or a good, off, Season right like they've been

1312
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,440
pushing This like keyante had a great off, Season stuff

1313
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,239
so like it makes me think that he's. Gonna start

1314
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,840
are they gonna start him at? The two are they

1315
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,679
gonna start him at? The one does that Mean That

1316
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:38,960
isaiah collier is starting at? The one like is it Gonna, Be,

1317
01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:45,400
Isaiah Keyante Ace? Lowry walker but then, it's, like really

1318
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,159
are you Gonna start Kiante and isaiah even though like

1319
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:50,840
that didn't work at all? Last season so then, it's,

1320
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,039
like well then are They putting ace at? The two

1321
01:05:54,199 --> 01:05:57,960
and they're gonna start Maybe like Taylor with Keyante or

1322
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,800
isaiah playing? Point Guard like i'd. Like, That yeah and

1323
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:06,199
So Like i'm i'm of the. Belief that and then

1324
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:08,159
also you gotta Look at bryce like he was kind

1325
01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:10,280
of one of like the lone bright spots that, They

1326
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,239
had like is that the wing that you won?

1327
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,559
Speaker 1: Out there that's like They Told walter clayton he was

1328
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:16,440
competing for a starting, Spot too so there.

1329
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 2: You go so it's like the starting lineup on day

1330
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:22,960
one could be different from the starting lineup like, game,

1331
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:27,639
Nine honestly like it could change, so fast and that's not.

1332
01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:30,599
Without precedent like we've got two years in a row

1333
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:33,480
now where the starting lineup has like changed within the first. Ten,

1334
01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:36,480
Games right like let's not let us not forget that

1335
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,159
this Is The utah jazz team That Started Taylor horton

1336
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:43,760
tucker at point guard And Then keyante george was so

1337
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:48,280
Good That Taylor horton tucker lost his. Starting job so

1338
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:53,000
like that's what we're dealing with as. A president, AND

1339
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,920
yeah i, don't know it's really hard to figure out

1340
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,599
a ten man rotation on a team that has so

1341
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:05,400
many players that need so, Much, Opportunity RIGHT but i

1342
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:10,039
think that you kind of end up somewhere in maybe

1343
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:13,599
like rather than like a ten man is like an easier,

1344
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:15,960
to say like the group that could be competing for

1345
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,840
the starting lineup would be, You know Walker and lowry is,

1346
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,440
a given and then you have to throw In Like,

1347
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:30,760
Ace Taylor, Kyle Philipowski, Bryce, Sensible Keyante, Isaiah Walter.

1348
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,039
Speaker 1: Clayton, Junior hey i've got you got nine locks.

1349
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:37,079
Speaker 2: Right there but then When Does cody williams?

1350
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:40,079
Speaker 1: Play basketball, oh yeah, oh, no wait so that would give,

1351
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:45,000
you eight he'd. Be nine Then There's, kyle anderson Then Kyl. Andang,

1352
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:49,559
nurkic yeah, all right well is there? ANYONE then i

1353
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:51,840
guess the frame that you would view as so like

1354
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,519
not one of, THE veterans, i guess but like one

1355
01:07:53,559 --> 01:07:55,360
of the youngsters that you could see falling by the

1356
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,559
wayside a little bit earlier the next, but like oh

1357
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:00,000
they're not getting regular rotation and it's by. Game Fifteen

1358
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:02,760
Is cody williams the answer? There is could it be

1359
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,559
like one Of, The collier george cru Or the jazz like, two,

1360
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:07,719
on like, oh no these guys can still turn into

1361
01:08:07,719 --> 01:08:08,320
something for that.

1362
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 2: TO happen, I mean i THINK because i think That

1363
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:18,479
because cody has an extra year on that like rookie,

1364
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:22,199
SCALE extension i think that they probably give more of

1365
01:08:22,199 --> 01:08:26,840
the Opportunity to kyante, Right Now so cody is probably

1366
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:27,239
the one that.

1367
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: Falls by so let's Assume the jazz are trying to

1368
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,439
win a. Basketball game it is. Crunch time what's the

1369
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,840
five man unit as of day one, that You As,

1370
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,199
will hardy are rolling out on, the floor not in

1371
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:46,399
fear of getting fired for accidentally winning, a game, all

1372
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,000
right actually trying.

1373
01:08:49,039 --> 01:09:00,239
Speaker 2: To, Win okay so probably that white front, court Right,

1374
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:11,800
Like Walker, Kyle philipowski, lowry right the milky front. Court

1375
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:13,319
man maybe like.

1376
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 1: It's gotta be, a yeah, that's rough go jumbo, with

1377
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,960
it because if this would be your whack a dud,

1378
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,720
On Line taylor Hendricks and.

1379
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:30,159
Speaker 2: Taylor and ace, in there honestly not a bad idea

1380
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:33,439
because like then you have like all of the Scoring,

1381
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,520
and taylor who is probably the best defensive player on,

1382
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,760
the team the guy who hasn't played basketball in. A

1383
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:45,399
year that's crazy, to say but like that's PROBABLY who

1384
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,560
i put out there as a as a crunch. TIME

1385
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:52,159
lineup i Think that will is probably more realistic in

1386
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:55,720
his in his determinations about who's going to be playing.

1387
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:03,720
Basketball together he probably Goes Like Isaiah Ace Lowry walker

1388
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:08,800
Kyle Or Lowry taylor Kyle Or Lowry. Taylor, walker.

1389
01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah can you just remind us of what your whack

1390
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,640
the doodle lineup was for the for the folks, At, Home.

1391
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:20,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ace Taylor, Ace Taylor, Kyle.

1392
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,079
Speaker 1: WALKER lowry i think my would almost be, the SAME

1393
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:27,159
except i might Sub In cody Williams For. Kyle philipowski

1394
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,920
why so he can. Do nothing he's gonna give you

1395
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,640
your ball PRESSURE and i predict he will grab more

1396
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,840
than one point five rebounds. Per game that's gonna be,

1397
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:37,399
My Ball.

1398
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:41,399
Speaker 2: Clach HOPE so i, think, that honestly the best case

1399
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:45,920
Scenario for cody to like earn time this season is

1400
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,279
to prove that he's actually one of the defensive players on. The,

1401
01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:52,439
TEAM like i think that that is his path to. Getting, Minutes,

1402
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,079
is like if he can prove that he can actually,

1403
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:55,720
play defense then he could get in front of a

1404
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:55,920
lot of.

1405
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,399
Speaker 1: These guys that's a. GOOD point i feel like anyone

1406
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,880
could Maybe if bryce sense a boss doing a lick, of, defense,

1407
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,479
like oh that dude needs to play thirty two. Minutes,

1408
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,840
again yes so there's probably also some whack a dude

1409
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,439
on lineups to build where It's Like Walter clayton junior

1410
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,119
is your point guard and then just, all bigs So Be,

1411
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:18,079
Walker Kessler, lowry Taylor Like kyle Anderson Or george niang

1412
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:20,600
or something just wild like that might be a little interesting.

1413
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 2: To, SAY yeah I think i would enjoy like a

1414
01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:27,840
Like A, Walker Kessler kevin love another Milky lineup Lowry,

1415
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:32,399
Market In Walter clayton Junior And, ace bailey like a

1416
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,720
couple of young guys and a couple of veterans and

1417
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,520
just like also very big. AND lengthy i would.

1418
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: ENJOY that i would enjoy that. Lineup, too SO before

1419
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,039
i force you to make, some predictions is there ANYTHING

1420
01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:47,800
else i haven't asked, you, about, storyline development player or

1421
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,680
whatever that you think needs to. Be, DISCUSSED no i don't.

1422
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 2: THINK so i think also wondering like this might be,

1423
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,279
one thing like If the jazz get it into a

1424
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:02,800
situation where there's a, few injuries or if they're manipulating

1425
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:04,680
some injuries at some point during, the season, because like

1426
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,520
if they don't want to, win games like, you said

1427
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,680
they might just have a roster this year that's bad

1428
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,800
enough to where they don't have to worry about. Manipulating

1429
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,920
stuff as much as they did, last year but if

1430
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,119
they were to like win a little bit, too much

1431
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:23,520
then like injuries could cause us to see a two

1432
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:28,159
Way Guye john tanji Out, Of wisconsin like we're talking

1433
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:31,479
about a guy who spent six years in college and,

1434
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,479
so like for if we're talking about like the most

1435
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,880
ready to play right now in a, rookie season It's

1436
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,000
Probably john tanji and like he had an incredible Year

1437
01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:45,600
at wisconsin and, So uh i'm sad that he's just

1438
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:46,840
on a two way and that he's not going to

1439
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,560
be on the. Main roster but if injuries permitted and

1440
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,159
he was able to be called up and playing, Some

1441
01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:52,800
games i'm excited to See What john.

1442
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,079
Speaker 1: Tonji does do you think there's a chance that this

1443
01:12:56,199 --> 01:12:58,600
team is like could be In the west as it is?

1444
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,800
Right NOW like i do you there is a chance

1445
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,520
that they could be better, than EXPECTED because i think

1446
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,960
if you look at it, right NOW it's i don't

1447
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,960
know what team they're supposed to, Be better like what

1448
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,600
would be the team that they're supposed to be?

1449
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,359
Speaker 2: Better, THAT no I mean i've seen a few people like, predicting,

1450
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:16,520
like oh like they could actually like SNEAK up i

1451
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,079
don't believe any. OF that i don't think that they

1452
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:23,760
can actually be better than many teams In.

1453
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: The west so with, that said how many games do

1454
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:28,680
you have them winning?

1455
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:36,279
Speaker 2: This? YEAR huh i want to go. WITH twenty.

1456
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: I think. THAT'S solid, i, mean look they're a team

1457
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,720
that if they, are trying like they're not manipulating, the

1458
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,560
lineups they are just going to be games over the

1459
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,720
course of, the year especially After The All, star break

1460
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:48,800
that they are able. To WIN and i think what

1461
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,479
benefits them IS one i think twenty wins would probably

1462
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,920
be the worst record in the league just when you

1463
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,439
look like it doesn't seem if there's a bunch of

1464
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,680
thirsty tankers, out there they should at least not In The.

1465
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,560
Western conference they'll be some After The all, star break

1466
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,359
But the jazz will have a head start on all.

1467
01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:06,000
Of them so like twenty or twenty two. FEELS right

1468
01:14:06,079 --> 01:14:08,159
i haven't looked at over unders like, specifically YET but

1469
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:10,600
i would imagine the books probably have them under. Twenty

1470
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:11,560
though that would be.

1471
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 2: MY guess i think that you know there's gonna be

1472
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,680
games like it's like you no how much Is is

1473
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,000
boston going to really be able to play like some

1474
01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:21,960
of these games where Like the jazz would have walked

1475
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,279
into them anytime over the last five years and it

1476
01:14:24,279 --> 01:14:26,279
would have been just a scheduled loss For. The, Jazz,

1477
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,359
right like there are gonna be games this season that, it's,

1478
01:14:29,399 --> 01:14:31,359
like well if they meet them later on in, the

1479
01:14:31,399 --> 01:14:34,199
season then Like the jazz could accidentally like go in

1480
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:36,199
and actually win some of, these games depending on how

1481
01:14:36,279 --> 01:14:38,960
much they're actually playing real lineups at, that point and,

1482
01:14:39,039 --> 01:14:42,119
so like there are some that you could factor. Into

1483
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:45,279
that and so That's why i'm like LEANING towards i,

1484
01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:48,079
was thinking like somewhere between twenty and twenty three that

1485
01:14:48,119 --> 01:14:50,199
could probably give you at least like one of the

1486
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:52,680
third worst records in, the league which is probably where

1487
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,560
they want, to land but also allows them a little

1488
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,479
bit of wiggle room to have like a few accidental

1489
01:14:58,520 --> 01:14:58,840
wins in.

1490
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: There, Too YEAH and, i mean especially if teams just view, them,

1491
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,640
as oh we can rest our guys tonight Against the

1492
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,279
jazz and that's where, they end like even Like in

1493
01:15:07,319 --> 01:15:09,800
november or something where, it's, like oh, like yeah load

1494
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:15,039
those load. Management GAMES can i get one additional prediction

1495
01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:17,239
from you About the jazz for this? Coming season you

1496
01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:18,359
could take it wherever you want.

1497
01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:23,560
Speaker 2: To, GO yeah, I Mean i i've got a lot

1498
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:30,680
of worries About This walker, Kessler THING and I mean,

1499
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,119
i guess like there's no way that anyone can really

1500
01:15:34,119 --> 01:15:36,560
like predict how that's going to, end, Up right, BUT

1501
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,920
like i guess my prediction would just be, LIKE that

1502
01:15:41,159 --> 01:15:42,439
i don't think that he's going to be On, the

1503
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:46,800
jazz whether that's going to be like through a trade

1504
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:53,720
or AFTER like. RFA opens i just think that it's

1505
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,119
just not going to end the way That the jazz.

1506
01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:57,840
Wanted to that's that's a.

1507
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,239
Speaker 1: Good prediction you just so rarely see the guys who

1508
01:16:01,279 --> 01:16:05,079
are worth a damn on their rookie scales get moved.

1509
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:07,279
Like that like it's just especially when they're like two

1510
01:16:07,399 --> 01:16:09,159
or three years deep into their tenure with. The team

1511
01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:11,399
it's not like a pre like they were drafted and

1512
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,159
got immediately traded for a star. Or something but he's

1513
01:16:14,199 --> 01:16:16,079
been in like trade rumors since basically it feels like

1514
01:16:16,119 --> 01:16:17,920
almost day one at this point to where, it's, like,

1515
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:19,640
oh Well the lakers give up two first Round Picksure

1516
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:23,279
Walker kessler's like the question everybody goes, back, to WELL.

1517
01:16:23,239 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 2: Like i think that like once we actually start to Get, to,

1518
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,479
February right Like the jazz are gonna have like the

1519
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,159
the decision That the jazz are gonna have to make, Is,

1520
01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:32,319
like okay are we willing what offers are we willing

1521
01:16:32,359 --> 01:16:34,359
to match? Up to like they're gonna have to decide

1522
01:16:34,399 --> 01:16:36,279
on like what the level is that they're willing to

1523
01:16:36,319 --> 01:16:39,399
go to just in case someone offers more than they

1524
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,960
think is actually going to, come in or do we

1525
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,800
want to like move now and take whatever assets we

1526
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,239
can get out of, this situation like because there is

1527
01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:53,920
risk here For, the jazz and so it feels like

1528
01:16:54,119 --> 01:16:56,199
in order to like mitigate some of the risks that

1529
01:16:56,239 --> 01:16:58,800
they might just have to like take a. Leap, early.

1530
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:02,039
Speaker 1: MAN if i, WERE them i would. KEEP him i

1531
01:17:02,119 --> 01:17:05,319
just don't agency is such a dud now that who's

1532
01:17:05,319 --> 01:17:07,039
come and you have some other centers that might be

1533
01:17:07,079 --> 01:17:09,079
available that teams will, go after but they're they all.

1534
01:17:09,079 --> 01:17:11,640
Seem scared the last, OFFER sheet i don't know if

1535
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,159
you remember this to actually go out in restrict the

1536
01:17:13,239 --> 01:17:15,279
free agency was When the jazz did it To the

1537
01:17:15,279 --> 01:17:18,359
philadelphia seventy. Six Ers to, Paul, read yeah And so

1538
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,800
i'd probably let. It ride but to, your point like there,

1539
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,520
is risk like if someone comes in with an offer

1540
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,720
or if they try to, you know like look at

1541
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,000
what happened this year with those, four guys how those?

1542
01:17:27,079 --> 01:17:30,399
Negotiations unfolded Do the jazz have the goodwill built Up

1543
01:17:30,399 --> 01:17:32,520
With walker kestler at this point to navigate that when

1544
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,680
you look at the quote that he had On media

1545
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,119
DEAD and i don't. THINK they i.

1546
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:38,399
Speaker 2: Don't think that there's like goodwill there WHEN like i

1547
01:17:38,399 --> 01:17:41,399
THINK that i Think That walker Kestler loves. WILL hardy

1548
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,079
i Think That walker castler loves, his TEAMMATES and i

1549
01:17:44,119 --> 01:17:46,399
think that there is a lot of love Lost Between,

1550
01:17:46,399 --> 01:17:50,520
walker castler his camp and the jazz, front office and

1551
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,520
so like where is the? Goodwill there like do Do

1552
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,399
the jazz actually have any goodwill leverage that they can

1553
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,560
lean on at? This Point and i'm not. Really sure

1554
01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:02,159
AND then i, mean this this is a Question like

1555
01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:04,319
i've been asking EVERYONE when i talked to him about

1556
01:18:04,359 --> 01:18:07,399
like the jazz roster is how much how much would

1557
01:18:07,399 --> 01:18:08,479
You Pay walker kessler?

1558
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:13,039
Speaker 1: PER year i probably, wouldn't flinch like up until like

1559
01:18:13,039 --> 01:18:15,479
twenty seven twenty, Eight million i'm, Not, Flinching.

1560
01:18:15,399 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 2: Okay and like so if you're the jazz and someone

1561
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,640
comes in and offers like, thirty two, Thirty four are

1562
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:20,079
you willing to?

1563
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 1: Match? That, well yeah the problem is is that if

1564
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,520
you let you can't let him walk. For nothing, so

1565
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,239
yeah you would if like you let him GET, the

1566
01:18:26,359 --> 01:18:27,960
rfa you. Do that and then at.

1567
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 2: That point, it's like why didn't you sign? Something? Now,

1568
01:18:31,119 --> 01:18:31,720
Right like.

1569
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,279
Speaker 1: I'd be curious what he'd be willing to sign, for

1570
01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:36,239
NOW because i have to think they at least it,

1571
01:18:36,319 --> 01:18:38,399
WASN'T like, i Know as cap holds what like fourteen

1572
01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:40,359
and a half million or whatever. IT is i think

1573
01:18:40,399 --> 01:18:42,920
if he was gonna accept, like twenty it would probably

1574
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,920
be a done deal, by now. It would so he's

1575
01:18:45,039 --> 01:18:47,520
he's probably looking for like what you like close.

1576
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: To, Thirty yeah and SO then, i, wonder like is

1577
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,880
there a team out there that's gonna be willing to

1578
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,520
go upwards that because their needs are?

1579
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,079
Speaker 1: SO great, i Mean the hornets like just don't even

1580
01:18:59,119 --> 01:19:02,840
have a center, right now, but that but there's Also Like,

1581
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,520
Mitchell Robinson, Christops Porzingis jalen duran's also a. Free Agent

1582
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,319
mark williams doesn't, really play so we probably Shouldn't Count

1583
01:19:09,399 --> 01:19:12,159
robert williams doesn't really play Like the jazz is best

1584
01:19:12,199 --> 01:19:15,000
bet might Be If jalen duran comes to an Agreement

1585
01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:18,399
with detroit and it's like a very, modest number and

1586
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,439
then like that Might give walker kest to like a

1587
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,520
window into like what he can expect when you get to.

1588
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,199
The MARKET because i don't know these bigs WHO aren't

1589
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:26,960
i don't want, to say the focal point of, your

1590
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,600
offense but aren't supposed to be like your best or

1591
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,279
second best player on. THE team i don't know which

1592
01:19:32,279 --> 01:19:35,199
teams are gonna come in like noticeably above the mid

1593
01:19:35,279 --> 01:19:36,399
level exception.

1594
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,279
Speaker 2: For that's not even like not even like best or second,

1595
01:19:39,319 --> 01:19:41,720
best player like most paid or second.

1596
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: Most, Paid right it's like there's certain teams in a

1597
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,600
situation To, where yeah it's that's what makes his case.

1598
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:49,600
So tough but he doesn't LIKE when I saw i

1599
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,840
saw the quote from either your story or your skeet,

1600
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,359
ON it i was, just LIKE did i didn't see him?

1601
01:19:54,359 --> 01:19:56,840
Say it did it like sound as bad as it

1602
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:57,439
looked on.

1603
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,199
Speaker 2: It sounded worse than it looked on. The, screen yeah he,

1604
01:20:00,319 --> 01:20:04,079
was like he, was, LIKE listen i don't want to

1605
01:20:04,119 --> 01:20:06,279
talk about this. PAST today i don't want it to

1606
01:20:06,279 --> 01:20:08,920
be a distraction for. THE team i don't want to.

1607
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:13,560
Distract me but like that, BEING said i, am frustrated

1608
01:20:15,079 --> 01:20:18,640
and like he kind of stumbled around some words after

1609
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:22,159
that and, was like, you know if it gets, Done whatever.

1610
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm.

1611
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 2: Frustrated, Wow yeah so it WAS like i think that,

1612
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,800
they THERE and i think it was said. WITH purpose

1613
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,199
i don't think that like he was in the moment

1614
01:20:33,399 --> 01:20:38,319
reacting to. THAT question i think that prior To media

1615
01:20:38,399 --> 01:20:40,560
day he knew the question was going to, be asked

1616
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:44,479
and he purposefully wanted everyone to know that he was.

1617
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:45,439
NOT happy.

1618
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,239
Speaker 1: I, also think despite, his request that it's probably going

1619
01:20:49,279 --> 01:20:51,359
to come. Up again that's my that's. MY hotaches i

1620
01:20:51,359 --> 01:20:52,880
think it might come. Up, AGAIN yeah, i.

1621
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 2: THINK yeah i can't imagine that all of us reporters

1622
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,920
are going to, be like you, know what that's a. Good, point,

1623
01:21:00,119 --> 01:21:03,760
no thanks don't need to know how you're feeling about this. Right, Now, Yeah,

1624
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,640
so sarah this.

1625
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: Was excellent thank you for giving me so much of

1626
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,439
your time and. Your insight are you able just to

1627
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,640
tell our listeners audience where they can find you and

1628
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:13,399
all the great work that.

1629
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:16,159
Speaker 2: You, do yeah you can follow ME At nba, SARAH

1630
01:21:16,199 --> 01:21:20,520
anywhere i retweet all of my stories and articles, and

1631
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,600
Stuff but i'm more interactive Over On. Blue sky you

1632
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:29,279
can listen to the Podcast it's unsalvagable and that's available

1633
01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:34,239
anywhere where. Podcasts are, and yeah follow along for what

1634
01:21:34,399 --> 01:21:36,359
is one of the worst teams in, the league but

1635
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,439
one of the. MOST interesting, I, think.

1636
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: Yeah they're going to be an interesting kind of bad Like.

1637
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,319
THE jazz i think they'll be a fun lead pass

1638
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watch too. This YEAR and i just want to clarify

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the Links to Unsalvageable and sarah's work will be in

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the YouTube and. Podcast Description but unsalvageable was not Named

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After cody. Williams' trajectory you guys have been around a

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lot longer, Than that so just anyone who thought that

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there was some, CONFUSION there i need to clear that

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up as someone who still owns a Bunch Of cody.

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Speaker 2: Williams, stuff yeah it's Another Great utah jazz of, failing

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that it's named After the unsalvageable Relationship Between rudy Kobert And.

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Speaker 1: Donovan mitchell thanks so, Much, again sarah and. Rest assort

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i'll be pestering you again down.

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Speaker 2: The, lot yeah have no problem at All, thanks dan