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Speaker 3: Today is Saturday, April five, twenty twenty five. And by

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the way, we are celebrating eight years of Matt Connorton

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Unleashed as of this week here at WMNH ninety five

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point three FM. Eight years gone in the blink of

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an eye, I'll tell you it goes so quick. But

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very happy to be here this week and joining us

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live in studio. We have Justin Hunters here. Hello, Justin. Oh,

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your mic is not on. I apologize. Let's try that again.

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Speaker 1: Test tests. There we go. Sorry about that, all right,

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Hot Matt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, today's been it's been an interesting day. Let's just say,

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I'm glad that we have a live guest here in

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studio who is on time. It's a great thing. Don't

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take that for granted people, you know, it's funny now.

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I'm just I'm being a little funny about it, but

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we did. I was explaining off air how today has

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been like the the most uh not smooth, shall we say,

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day for guests, which is funny because we had a

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we had a string of shows going for a long

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time where every single week everybody was on time and

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it was great and no issue is nothing, and then

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all of a sudden, Uh, today has just been.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I said something about a full moon and then you

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said something else I'd never even heard of, and I

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was like, oh, I don't know, but anyway, so it's

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wonderful to have you here. And we met through a

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mutual friend, uh Anthony tone Peyton, and you know, he

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he occasionally, he's uh sent us a few people actually

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over the year. Is always always very interesting, so you know,

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uh he recommended you. So that's uh that was enough

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for me to say, hey, let's let's catch you on

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you know, because uh, I know you've got a story

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to tell. I know you've been through some things. I

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don't know too much because, as you know, I like

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to not know too much going in because you know,

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I like to be I like to approach the conversation

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with curiosity. I think that's that's part of what helps

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me as an interviewer to do that. But yeah, I mean,

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tell us about yourself and we'll we'll start there.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm originally from West Virginia. Moved up to New

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Hampshire back last April, okay, and went through some very

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hard times towards the end of my stay in West Virginia.

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Although I miss it, I'm glad that I made the

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move up here and basically went through. What I'll get

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into on the show is my about with homelessness and

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how I when I moved up here, was able to

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achieve stability through staying staying in the same job. It

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put me back on my feet. I got a new

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support system around me because the old support systems all

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the way down there. And while I stayed in contact

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with with everyone that was, you know, really helping me

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out and and just people I was close to. It's

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it's been an interesting transition, and my life has become

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very different, and I've become very different because of because

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of the entire process.

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Speaker 3: So what was it they brought you so West Virginia,

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that's where you're from originally, So what brought you from there?

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Speaker 1: To hear it?

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you like being cold in the winter

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or what?

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Speaker 4: Well, the weather, the weather is something I've had to

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get used to. But it gets it gets pretty cold

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down there too. Oh yeah, well for sure, definitely gets

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more human in the summer, That's.

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Speaker 1: What I've heard. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never been there in the summertime. I've been

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in that area, but not in the summertime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But but but yeah, it for for I'm losing my

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train of thought for for me, you know, back back

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to what I was saying, basically, uh, when I when

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I got up here, you know, I I basically immediately

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started looking for a job, and not just any job,

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but a good full time job, something that I knew

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that I would that would take up most of my

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time really and started doing.

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Speaker 1: Basically a delivery work.

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Speaker 4: And it it thrust me into this mode where you know,

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I was I had to I had to come into

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work every day, and that was not something I was

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doing prior to this. I was very unreliable for many years,

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spotty background as far as my career and stuff like

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and work, and I just I just made as many

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changes as I possibly could to become a I don't

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want to say a true adult, but you know, to

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mature as a person.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 4: And so after doing that, this job got me in

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really good physical condition. I quit a lot of vices

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that I had coming up here. Nothing too bad, but

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just you know, just wasting my own time most of

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the time instead of spending it productively, you know, getting

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myself a stack published and yeah, you know. And so

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so by doing that in any less than a year,

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I was able to turn my life completely around. An apartment,

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got a new car, and uh, you know, and and

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I'm much happier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's very it's very very different. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So so coming up here. So so you were able

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to really turn things around.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: What's interesting to me about that is because a lot

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of people will say, and I'm I'm sure some people will.

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Speaker 1: Wonder, you know, how like, what was it about it?

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Speaker 3: There was about being here that helped you to do that?

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Because the Northeast is expensive, and I don't I don't

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know what it's like in West Virginia exactly, but I

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would assume the cost of living is less there than here, absolutely,

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especially when you talk about housing, you know, and and

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housing is a problem all over the country, but certainly

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especially in the Northeast. So so that's interesting to me

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that like, like why, like why were you able to

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do that here and not there?

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Speaker 1: And what was it that you really Because the other thing.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting about this too is that sometimes people move.

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moved to a new place because they think that if

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they do that, you know, that it's going to help

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them solve all their problems. And I and then I

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look at them and I say, well, you know, there

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can be value in that for people. Sure, a new

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environment in some instances, But sometimes two people do that

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and then they realize, oh, my problems are portable. I

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have all the same problems here that I had there.

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I took them with me.

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Speaker 1: Oops.

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Speaker 3: You know, people, because sometimes people trick themselves into thinking,

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you know, new environment, I'm going to be a completely

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different person because I'm in a new place, and it

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doesn't tend to work that way. But in your case,

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I mean, you took that and you you made that work.

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Speaker 1: Like why, Well, that's a good question.

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Speaker 4: And I'll start by saying this that one of the

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reasons that I came up here is that I have

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family up here. Yeah, and I got to the point

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of getting I just got burnt out trying to do

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everything by myself. You know, I just I knew that

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I could get to that place mentally, and and you

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know in life once I once I got myself established,

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but I really needed to lean on my family. And

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so you know, I I contacted my dad who lives

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in New Hampshire, and I told him what was going

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on that you know, here's the second time around where

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I'm facing homeless homelessness had a break down in the

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situation that I was in. Here we go again, And

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he said, well, why don't you just come up justin

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had kind of planned on moving back to New Hampshire

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or moving up to New Hampshire and to just basically

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spend more time with him too, to spend more time

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with my father. Yeah, and so I said, all right,

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you know, what, I'm just going to do it. And

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you know, I've I've I've moved before and you know,

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and and so it always kind of just works out,

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you know, but you got to take the staffs, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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and with he was a big part of the support

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system that I had. And it wasn't that he did

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anything I don't want to say extravagant. It was just

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having having his presence and the pressure of having my

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father as an adult, I'm going to be forwarding in

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another week, and uh, you know, and I I just

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I just didn't want to let him down. And having

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that pressure really helped me to just honestly get up

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for work every single day and and just do what

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the day, I was dog tired, and he was dog

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tired because he's still working at that time.

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, you know.

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Speaker 4: Retired, but finding things to do, and it just was

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it was something that I hadn't experienced in many years.

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I've been a strange from my face only for a while,

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and being able to come back up here, uh uh

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and spend that kind of spend that kind of time

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with my dad and and do these these essential steps

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to get myself you know going, you know is is

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really what is really?

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Speaker 1: What did it? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I think, you know, having somebody believe in you

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is uh, because I think a lot of people who

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fall through the cracks, you know what happens because no one.

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It's hard to believe in yourself if nobody else believes

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in you, and your dad obviously did believe in you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then so when.

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Speaker 3: Someone believes in you, yeah, you feel I think you

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described it well when you talked about that pressure when

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somebody believes in you, you don't want to because human

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beings to varying degrees. But I think something that is

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in most people is we don't like letting people other

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We don't like letting other people down. We don't like

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disappointing people, so we try not to. So if nobody

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believes in you, then it really doesn't matter in the

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sense that well you have no you know, you can

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you can let yourself down. People are people almost are

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more comfortable with letting themselves down than with letting other

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people down. Right, So if you if you have no

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one to let down, then what does it matter, right.

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I think that's the mindset that a lot of people

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get to. But if you have someone who believes in you,

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even if it's only a little bit, that can make

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a huge difference because then you don't want to let

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them down. You don't want them to feel you don't

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want them to feel foolish forever having believed in you.

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You don't want uh yeah, you don't want them to

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be upset with you. All of it, All that goes

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with that. So it sounds like having your father believe

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in you, that gave you a reason to make sure

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that you didn't fail.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.

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Speaker 4: And you know another another part of it too is

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accepting the help, and it's I think it's a lot harder.

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I mean, in might say my twenties, it would it

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would be easier for me to or even younger, it'd

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be easier to accept help. But admitting that I couldn't,

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I couldn't go on on my own anymore, yeap, really hard.

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what would you say, uh, you know, confronted these things

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about myself and said okay, I need help, and and

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and took the help and then made the steps on

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my own. But yeah, the pressure, it's it. I think

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it's important to use pressure and fear to your advantage

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and and know that it's your friend. It's you know,

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it's it's it's a it's an extremely powerful force that

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can motivate you in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I think we tend to think of.

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Speaker 1: Some people. I think tend to think of.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, fear is is bad and you should

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have no fear and and you know, I think the

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way the way you put it is good because it

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can be your friend. I mean, obviously fear, you know,

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you don't want to go through life afraid of everything.

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keep you from achieving things because fear can stop you

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from trying things right, you know. But I think also, yeah,

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it can be your friend, and that you know, fear

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of you know, fear, for example, use fear to motivate

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you in terms of achieving financial objectives because you have

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a maybe you have a fear of being homeless again,

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or or a fear of starving, or you know, or

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a fear of letting other people down, and so so

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any of these things can be can be positive.

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Speaker 1: Fear pressure, stress.

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you know, I just want to not have any stress. Well,

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you actually do want to have a little bit of stress.

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it's unhealthy. But some stress is good. Some stress is

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positive because you want to be challenged, you don't. You know,

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people say, oh, I just want everything to be easy. Yeah,

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people think they want everything to be easy.

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Speaker 1: You don't want.

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Speaker 3: Everything to be too hard, But you don't want everything

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to be too easy either. Because of the way humans are,

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the way we're wired, the way we're conditioned, we do

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need some degree of challenge in our lives. Otherwise we

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get bored, we get complacent. I think humans are like sharks.

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Speaker 1: You know. That's why people who.

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but there's no shortage of data that shows that people

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who retire and just retire completely, like they don't stay

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active and passionate about something die earlier than people who

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retire from whatever their full time career was. But they

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still have things that excite them. Maybe they work a

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part time job, maybe they find a new career. Maybe

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they volunteer somewhere. You know, in New Hampshire, a lot

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of people, you know, because it doesn't pay money to

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be a state rep. And New I think they get

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one hundred dollars stipend. But you know, to serve in

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the New Hampshire state legislature, it doesn't. It's not a

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paying job. It is in both states. So you know, uh,

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some people who retire they run for office. But but

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you have to have purpose and and so you have

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to have some degree of stress and pressure and what

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you describe as using those things in a positive way

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to help you succeed. Ego is another great example. You know,

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people say, well, ego is bad, you shouldn't have, you know,

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too much ego. You can have unhealthy ego. You can

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have outsized ego where you know you think you're better

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and smarter than everybody. Or you can have an unhealthily,

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unhealthfully small ego where you have low self esteem. You know,

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those are both bad, but having some degree of ego

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will help you to succeed in life because you know,

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you've got to believe in yourself, right right, Yeah, So

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take those things that people think are negative, like stress

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and ego and all of it. But but those can

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be your friend and and you can use those in

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healthy ways.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, well, and this brings this brings me to

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another point. That one when I the first time that

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year that I became homeless, I I was basically sleeping

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out of my car at the at the skate park.

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Basically I spent a lot of my time there, and

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I can get into that later about skating a long

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time and all that. And I wrote on the top

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of the vinyl of the that there's there's no bell

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coming to save you. Nobody is coming to help you.

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And I was completely I was in this really interesting

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moment that I'll never forget in my life that I

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was just completely isolated by myself, no one to call,

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no one. It was just me alone in this situation.

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And luckily, luckily, I you know, took that as a

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good moment. I didn't let it defeat me. I didn't

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do anything poorly drastic. I think that I think that

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for me personally when I when I was dealing with

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being homeless. And this doesn't speak for everybody, but for me,

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what I learned in these moments of frustration and just

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being devastated by where I was at? Is it just

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to keep pushing forward? You have to keep moving forward

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and use that pressure to fuel you. You've got to

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have some kind of dream that's bigger than just the basics.

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It's almost like kind of like people have their one

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year plan and they have their three to five year plan.

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about it, it's that you have the bare minimum stuff,

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you know, get get stable, get out of your you know,

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I was like living out of my car at the time,

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So get out of living in your car. And then

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where do you really want to go? Where would you

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what would get you to a position whether you would

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never be in this situation again, whether you have whether

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you have a strong support system or or whatever around you,

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and how do you achieve that? And then just start

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kind of making the strides forward in both those directions. Yeah,

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use your time wisely and keep yourself busy in that way.

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That was how I blossifized about it again.

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Speaker 3: Now, how did you how did you end up in

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that situation?

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Speaker 1: To begin with? What what led to that? Well?

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Speaker 4: Years back, I had a lot of mental health issues

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that kept me, kept me in and out of jobs. Yeah,

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I was, Like I said, I was very unreliable.

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Speaker 1: Now I was. I was good.

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Speaker 4: I was an easy person to get along with it work,

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but it was very challenging for me for for me

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to get myself to go to work every day. So

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that was a big thing. And you know, I would

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have stints where, you know, for a week, I would

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I wouldn't be able to go to work, I wouldn't

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be able to leave my apartment.

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Speaker 1: You know. And it was it was it depression, it

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was more, it was more than that.

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Speaker 4: It was more than that, and it was it was

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it was debilitating in that way that I where I

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had to at that time. That was my biggest struggle

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is my mental health issues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I've made, you know, great strides over the years

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through through different resources, different help, but it's a lot

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of it has been self help that I've done to

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be able to just the bare minimum get out of

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bed blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah and all that.

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But that's that's what I was dealing with back then.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, Jenny made a great comment in

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the chat. She said, fear can be the birthplace of courage. Yeah, oh,

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absolutely absolutely, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Oh and beat Pinardi is in there too.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Hello b she says, good morning everyone.

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So it was more than so, it was more than depress.

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The reason I asked about the depression is because I can.

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I can relate to some of what you were describing

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when it's difficult, like you know what you have to do,

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but it's difficult to do it. I'm someone who's I'm

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I'm technically undiagnosed, but I've struggled with what I believe

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to be clinical depression my entire life, or at least

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going back to when I was a teenager. So I

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know that sometimes you know, they're things that you know

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you should be doing that are good for you. It

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becomes like, you know, where it becomes a catch twenty

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two is with exercise, because there's no shortage of data

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and research that shows that exercise is the single best

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way to fight depression, even you know, better than any

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pill you can take. And I'm not anti medication. I'm

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not medicated myself, but but I think medication is valuable

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for a lot of people. But exercise is the number

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one thing. But where it becomes a catch Twenty two.

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Is that thing that you know is going to help

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you to feel better, you know, to get up and

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go for a run or go for a walk or

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whatever it is. It's hard to find the motivation to

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do that one thing when you're so depressed that you

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don't feel like doing anything, and it almost feels like

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like you're like you're just stuck, you know, just completely stuck.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, well, no, you're right about that, right about that.

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Speaker 1: And I and I'm not anti medication either. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I I've been on and off medication at different points

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in my life. And uh, and sometimes it's helpful, sometimes

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a backfires. Sometimes you have to you have to figure

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out what the right combination is for you, depending on

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what kind of concerns you have or health issues you're

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dealing with. And you know, and and and that's why

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it's hard to stay on medications for a lot of

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people because they don't want to deal with side effects

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and I don't want to deal with the conjunctions of

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the medications working against.

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Speaker 1: Each other sometimes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, you know, but but to your point, absolutely,

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exercise in almost in any form, is a good thing. Yep,

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you know, for people that have that are high tempered.

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You know, combat sports are great for me. It's been skateboarding.

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I've been skateboarding for over probably over twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: I think about it. I've just I just will not.

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Speaker 4: I can't quit it, even though my body kind of

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wants me to stop at this point, I just don't.

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Speaker 1: I love it so much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen it change so many lives, including mine.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so I'm curious about that. I'm curious about

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the role that that's played.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you alluded to it earlier. Yes, Oh, I'd

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love to talk about yeah. Yeah, please.

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Speaker 4: Well, I started I started skating back probably what I

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started probably fourteen or fifteen years old, but I had

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dabbled with it a little bit here and there as

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when I was younger. I've always been into like individual sports,

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whether it was swimming, diving, gymnastics. I've always been into

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some kind of extracurricular activity outside of scholastics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and things, but for skating.

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Speaker 4: For as far as skating goes, I've always I've met

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all my best friends through it. I've had some of

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the best times of my life on trips and and

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and and solo times with it too. Because it's a

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it's an inexpensive activity you can get into. Yeah, almost

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anyone can do it.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't.

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Speaker 3: Trust me. I'm a klutz. I have the manual dexterity

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of a bab boon. I'd probably end up in a

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full body cast if I'd ever tried it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, well, that does well.

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Speaker 4: It does happen where somebody that deals with the uncoordin

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nature of themselves tries to drop in on a quarter

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pipe or something and just breaks their arm right out

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of the gate.

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Speaker 1: Never happened to me. Never happened to me.

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Speaker 3: I fully understand and embrace my limitations. No, but I

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know what you're saying though, Like there's a low barrier

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of entry for like, you know, anybody can buy I

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don't know how much a skateboard even costs, but I'm

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sure you know you can. You can get a cheap

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one kind of entry level right to get started.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, And I mean and that that's kind of

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the I mean it. It has gotten definitely more expensive,

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especially in the last like five years. It's just the

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nature of the market.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But outside of that, really, if you if you want

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to be safe and get pads, especially if you're a

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kid or you're a good parent. You want to make

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sure your kid's protected. Yeah, get him everything from risk

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ards to a helmet, get him full pads. Yeah, and

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don't let them. Nobody's really going to bully anybody at

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the skate park anymore. It's not like the nineteen nineties

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where it was, you know, lame to wear pads. Yeah,

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now it's it's whatever. It's an opinionated issue. But but

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for me, I don't mind it. I'd rather I believe

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in skating safe. I believe skating later into your You know,

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there's guys that are way older than me that are

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still skating on a professional level. Really that that not

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just the big names, but the underground guys and so,

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you know. But anyway, back to put back to what

476
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,119
I was saying. You know, so I started when I

477
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,839
was younger, and it's just stayed with me over the years.

478
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:31,480
It stayed with me through many moves all over, not

479
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:33,279
all over the East Coast, but different parts of the

480
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:36,680
East Coast, and it's been interesting the different people I've

481
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,279
met and how skating is different in certain places. Some

482
00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:44,319
places it's more accessible, there's more parks, like in Maryland

483
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,279
as supposed to hear, but up here people are really

484
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:50,640
fighting for new parks to.

485
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: To be developed.

486
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, and it's and it's it's it's an

487
00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:55,160
uphill battle in a lot of ways.

488
00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:57,319
Speaker 3: And we we need indo our parks, I assume, right,

489
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,359
because because otherwise, for you know, two or three months

490
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,599
out of the year, you're kind of screwed.

491
00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yeah, you know, And I mean that could be

492
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,079
as simple as you know, uh, converting an old warehouse

493
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,920
that's not being used into a park.

494
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to.

495
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 4: I won't go too much into it because there's a

496
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,000
lot of logistics with it, in insurance and and sorts

497
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:21,160
of things. But but yeah, ideally indoor facilities would be

498
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,799
great in the Northeast.

499
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. So so how old were

500
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,160
you were you when you started that skateboarding?

501
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: Fourteen or fifteen? I would say, And.

502
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 3: What what got you into it? What was this something

503
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,160
where a lot of your peers were doing it?

504
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,039
Speaker 1: And there was it?

505
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 4: Well, I had moved to a new town, yeah, and

506
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,759
I didn't have any friends, moved away and from where

507
00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:44,519
I was living at and you know, I was doing

508
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:48,079
something different at the time, and the local kids were

509
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,079
were not kids, but the local peers there were were

510
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:52,839
all skateboarding.

511
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I checked it out and I really liked it.

512
00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:58,839
Speaker 4: And that would have been around ninety eight or well,

513
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:02,799
that would have been around ninety nine. And at that time,

514
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,880
that's when Tony Hawk landed the nine hundred in the

515
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,640
X Games, and it was this huge deal and it

516
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,279
was on Sports Center, and I mean it was a

517
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,480
highly visible moment skateboarding history. And when I saw that,

518
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,279
it wasn't the trick that got me interested in skateboarding,

519
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,000
and just like the gravity of the moment, but it

520
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,400
was watching all of the other professional skateboarders at that

521
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,559
Best Trick contest around Tony Hawk shutting. Everything stopped, everyone

522
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:34,640
stopped skating, The contests had basically ended, and everybody was

523
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:37,720
just giving him as much support as possible so that

524
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:38,960
he could get this done.

525
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:40,079
Speaker 1: And he did.

526
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it really was because of the crowds, enthusiasm,

527
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:47,519
the host, salmas Kela and everybody, and and all the

528
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:52,000
skateboarders around him, you know, being in his corner. And

529
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:53,640
that was something I wanted to be a part of.

530
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,680
That's what termed me onto skating interesting.

531
00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, so yeah, well that's that's very positive. Is

532
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,160
he the most He's got to be, right, the most

533
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,400
famous skateboarder.

534
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: He's definitely the most well known.

535
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 3: I know because I see him on Like I never

536
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,000
got into skateboarding, but you know, he's ubiquitous and that.

537
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:12,240
You know, he's on the cover of video games and

538
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,200
magazines and you know even today.

539
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: I mean he's and I.

540
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,279
Speaker 3: Think he also does a he does a podcast with

541
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:24,359
another famous is it Jason Ellis Ellis Jason Ellis called

542
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,920
Hawk Versus Wolf? Okay, okay, we'll do an unscheduled plug

543
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,400
for that. Yeah, yeah, I've seen that on YouTube, so

544
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,759
I'm a little bit familiar with that. Who, Like, are

545
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,319
are there other names I might know who were really mainstream?

546
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: I feel like Tony Hawk as well.

547
00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 4: One of there's a freestyle skateboarder that that transitioned into

548
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,559
streets street skating that's very famous named. His name's Rodney Mullin.

549
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,880
He's done a Ted Talk couple, I think a couple

550
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:51,200
of Ted.

551
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: That name is familiar. Okay.

552
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 4: He's a really interesting, uh person, very very smart real yeah,

553
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,319
oh definitely, yeah, there's there and and that with Rodney

554
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,920
is completely different from Tony and completely different from other

555
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,200
influential skateboarders. Yeah, they're all individuals. And that's another thing

556
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,640
that I really like about skating. Yeah, it really is.

557
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,160
You know, when at that age, being fifteen, I was

558
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,240
looking for my identity. At that time, I was not

559
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:25,319
you know, removed from that crisis teenager, and and really

560
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,160
it helped me develop so much character, just like it

561
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,079
did for these guys.

562
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense. Did you ever do

563
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:34,400
it professionally.

564
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,599
Speaker 4: Or never professionally? And honestly, it's because I'm not on

565
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:40,200
that level, but I love it.

566
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.

567
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,039
Speaker 3: So when you so you started that when when you

568
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:50,160
were pretty young, were there periods in your life where

569
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,920
you had gotten away from it completely? And because I'm

570
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,640
wondering if that and and did that play a role

571
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,000
in kind of those times where things got pretty tough

572
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,319
where you were homeless and and so forth, or or or.

573
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:04,759
Speaker 1: How does that how does that fit in?

574
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: Well, Well, there's two answers to that. One is that

575
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:14,480
I have taken a few breaks skateboarding. One was when

576
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,599
I was in college and I was I was a

577
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:20,680
psych major and a biology major. Yeah, and it took

578
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,200
up a lot of my time. Yeah, very into that

579
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:26,279
and it was very goal oriented and time so I

580
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:28,400
I just didn't have the time for skating. So I

581
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,079
kind of just set it aside so that I could

582
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:32,359
focus on being the best student I could be. Yeah,

583
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:35,880
makes sense, mainly because I have all kinds of learning disabilities,

584
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:41,400
so I for sure and outside of that, and and

585
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,720
oh and then the other time I took a break

586
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:46,599
for a little while was when I got into martial arts,

587
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:50,039
and so that was something where I still skated from

588
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:53,799
time to time, but most of my free time was

589
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,559
just taken up with training. You know.

590
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,079
Speaker 1: What what what martial arts?

591
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 4: What one ti okay and a little bit of judo.

592
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:04,640
It was kind of different things I was.

593
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:05,079
Speaker 1: I was.

594
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,799
Speaker 4: I ended up just falling in with this crowd that

595
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:10,880
did all They were all different, had different martial arts backgrounds.

596
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's now.

597
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: The diversity of that of that is interesting because because uh,

598
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:17,000
I used to do for only for about five or

599
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,400
six years. I did g kundo and as you know,

600
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,440
it's a mix of everything. You know that Bruce Lee

601
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,720
kind of put you know, you through everything into the pot.

602
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:26,079
Although we kind of focused on the two things that

603
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:27,680
we did the most of which were my two favorite

604
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,359
things were kickboxing and and uh just jiu jitsu you know,

605
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,880
which I which I loved. But but no, but it

606
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,519
sounds like so you had a like your exposure to

607
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:37,400
it was pretty diverse.

608
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,759
Speaker 1: So it sounds like, which is cool.

609
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it definitely was. And it was you know, we

610
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:43,680
we just we all got along.

611
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:44,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

612
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 4: There was definitely a competitive nature to it, which made

613
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,279
it fun, you know, and and and yeah, and I

614
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:52,400
was kind of their guinea pig. They really just see

615
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,839
how techniques would would work out if they performed at

616
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:56,759
full speed with me, and I just would hit the

617
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,359
ground hard, you know, yeah hard, you know.

618
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:01,799
Speaker 1: I could really I can relate to that.

619
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a lot of respect for that that

620
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:09,240
you studied you can do. I'm a big Bruce Lee fan. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

621
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,559
But yeah, those are those are the two periods of

622
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:16,000
time that I that I paused skateboarding, But when I

623
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:18,720
was homeless, I skateboarded more than that, more than I

624
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:19,720
normally would.

625
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,759
Speaker 3: Okay, had so when you were homeless, because you talked

626
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:27,079
earlier about you know the importance of not giving up

627
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,440
and and being able to uh formulate goals in terms

628
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,720
of where you would rather be, where you want to

629
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:36,759
be and getting ultimately getting to a point where you're

630
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:40,359
not going to be in that position again. Had you

631
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,839
not had skateboarding, do you think that, I mean, it's

632
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,559
you know, it's hypothetical, But had you not had the skateboarding,

633
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:52,279
do you think you would have you would have given up?

634
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,640
Do you think you would have fallen into that hole

635
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,079
where it's just it's there's no coming back.

636
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,519
Speaker 4: I think I think for me, I would have I

637
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,759
hate to say that I would have crumbled under the pressure.

638
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: For me, I'm.

639
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:15,119
Speaker 4: By nature, I'm a very strong willed, independent person. Yeah,

640
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,240
and I it's not that I wasn't going to let

641
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,799
those that that situation of being homeless and destitute keep

642
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:23,200
me down.

643
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,559
Speaker 1: But it was heavy. I mean they were rough times. Yeah. Yeah,

644
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,400
could have been a lot worse for sure.

645
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 4: But you know, it's like I if I didn't have

646
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,240
a car, you know that that would have been I

647
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,960
really feel for everyone out there that is experiencing true homelessness.

648
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:47,160
Oh yeah, and you know, but but for me, skating

649
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,799
kept me together. It it kept me continuing to be

650
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:57,440
sober from alcohol. I like I personally, thankfully, I've never

651
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,880
had a serious narcotic issue problem anything like that. Yeah.

652
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:07,200
But but alcohol is definitely advice yep for me. Yeah,

653
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,119
and uh, and it it just it kept me. It

654
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,599
kept me, uh, it kept my spirits up. It kept

655
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,400
me something to focus on when I would get up

656
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,839
in the morning and I would try to prepare things. Yeah,

657
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,559
just I basically was sleeping at the skate park. It

658
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,119
was a it was a what's called the DIY do

659
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,799
it yourself skate park where it's built by like I

660
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:28,119
was one of the people that helped build some things

661
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,200
there and and but it was already existing when I

662
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,480
got there. Yeah, And so it was a safe place

663
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,319
for me to be able to sleep and park my

664
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:40,559
car at night. Oh not a not the worst area,

665
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,799
but pretty rough. You got to kind of know where

666
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:43,039
to go.

667
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:43,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

668
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course you're where you're staying for the night.

669
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:49,000
And uh yeah, no, but it definitely helped. I mean

670
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,880
it was it was my biggest It's been my biggest

671
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,240
ally throughout all the challenges I face.

672
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what was the would alcohol be the biggest challenge?

673
00:33:58,319 --> 00:33:58,599
Speaker 1: Is that?

674
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,519
Speaker 4: No, my own mind is the biggest chance health, well

675
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,400
not just mental health, but just getting in my own way,

676
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,679
you know, and and letting, letting my my fears and

677
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:13,079
oppositions I feel against me get get too much in

678
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:16,760
the way. Yeah, skateboarding fills me with a fire that

679
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:23,000
helps me push forward through pain, emotional pain especially, and

680
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,800
and all the physical lessons that you get taught through skating.

681
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,440
And you've you've actually hit on quite a few in

682
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:32,719
this in this broadcast, and you know is one of

683
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,519
the one of the main things is that you know

684
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,760
when you fall get back up. That's that's one of

685
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,519
the biggest.

686
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: That's true that I get.

687
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting you say that because people say that

688
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:43,679
as a cliche, right, it's a it's an expression. But

689
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,480
I guess skateboarding teaches you that quite literally, when you

690
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:48,480
fall you get back up.

691
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:50,599
Speaker 1: Or anything where you get you know, or I don't know,

692
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,519
bull riding or.

693
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,079
Speaker 3: Anything where you get where you fall, if you have

694
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,119
to literally get back up, and you learn to get

695
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,599
back up, no matter how painful it is, no matter

696
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,360
how hard the fall was, you you learn now you

697
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,239
get back up. And I wouldn't have thought of that

698
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,199
until you said that. But that's that's very interesting, is there.

699
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,599
So I also I would assume and again I've never skateboarded,

700
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:16,400
because uh, it would it would probably kill me. I mean,

701
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,159
I'm that clumsy. I actually it hurt myself the other

702
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,280
day just putting away my clothes in a in a

703
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,119
dress or drawer.

704
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm not No, it's okay to laugh. It is hilarious.

705
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 3: But what's funny is it's like it's not even me

706
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,920
trying to be funny, though this literally happened. Like I'm

707
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,679
I'm putting clothes, clean clothes in a dress or drawer

708
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:35,760
and putting some shirts in the drawer, and I, you know,

709
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,719
I opened the drawer with my right hand. I'm putting

710
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,800
the clothes in with my left hand. And somehow in

711
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,679
that instance, this is how clumsy I truly am. It

712
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:44,800
didn't occur to me to pull my right hand back.

713
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,880
I'm sorry to pull my left hand back out before

714
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:48,800
shutting the drawer with my right hand. So I just

715
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,760
shut the drawer on my own hand. I just hurt

716
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,079
myself putting away close. That's how clumsy I am. Anyway,

717
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:56,880
I think it's hereditary. I get it from my mother.

718
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,599
She's a klutz.

719
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,199
Speaker 1: But uh so, yeah, so I don't do anything.

720
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,079
Speaker 3: Where I might get hurt, because I will get although

721
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,159
I never got hurt doing gcundo.

722
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,159
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about that.

723
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: You know why, though I think I know I've in

724
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:14,320
fact as clumsy as I am. I've never broken a bone,

725
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,559
I've never fractured anything or sprained anything or anything. But

726
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:21,440
I think it's because I'm constantly I'm so cognizant of

727
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,679
my own clumsiness that I think it keeps me from

728
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,079
seriously injuring myself, you know what I mean, Like, I'm

729
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:31,039
always very cognizant of it. So I even doing even

730
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:35,880
doing g kundo like I I mean, I probably lost

731
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,639
every match I ever had against anybody, you know, just sparring.

732
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,719
But but I also I was always very cognizant of

733
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,559
what not to do to hurt myself. So I think

734
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:47,480
I think that's kept me safe in a sense. But

735
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,360
it's like my own sort of mental bubble wrap that

736
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,159
I've wrapped myself in, you know, even cutting food. Like

737
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:54,840
if I'm using a knife to cut food, I do

738
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,239
it very slowly and deliberately, so I don't cut my

739
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,039
fingers off.

740
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: It's it.

741
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: But anyway, I would assume though that there's also a

742
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:07,000
kind of a meditative aspect to skateboarding, absolutely, because when

743
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:09,280
you're skateboarding and This is something I don't know if

744
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,360
you know this about me, But I'm also a hypnotherapist,

745
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,679
and I often talk to you know, because meditation and

746
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,280
hypnosis they're you know, they're they're really the same thing.

747
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,440
But all hypnosis is meditation, and all all meditation is

748
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,480
a form of hypnosis.

749
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: But when you're.

750
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,159
Speaker 3: When you're in a meditative state, you know, you're taking

751
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:32,559
yourself out of your present reality and you're you're going

752
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:34,920
to wherever you're going in your mind. And an example

753
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,639
that I like to give to people is when you're

754
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,000
driving a car. If you drive the same route to

755
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:42,119
work every day, it's actually a state of hypnosis you

756
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:45,960
put yourself in because you're not as you're driving, you're

757
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,559
not consciously thinking, Okay, I need to stop here, I

758
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:50,480
need to turn here, I need to accelerate here, or

759
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,880
break here. You just do it because you're going a

760
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,480
thousand other places in your mind. Over the course of

761
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,679
that drive you're taking, you're putting yourself in another place mentally.

762
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,320
So I would assume that when you're skateboarding, you're probably

763
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,960
not consciously thinking. In the beginning, I'm sure you are,

764
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:09,119
but once you get good at it, you're probably not

765
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,039
consciously thinking, Okay, I need to do this, I need

766
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:13,519
to do that, I need to move this way. I

767
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:15,639
don't know the terminology because I'm not a skateboarder. But

768
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,840
while your mind is probably going, you might be solving

769
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,679
problems in your mind while you're skateboarding, right, You might

770
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:23,800
be setting goals, you might be doing whatever it is

771
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,880
you do mentally because you're not necessarily consciously thinking about

772
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,039
the skateboarding itself.

773
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:35,159
Speaker 4: Yes, well absolutely, And you know you're for me. You know,

774
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,440
like I've got a few tricks that I know very

775
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:40,679
very well, and my body automatically knows exactly what to do.

776
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,039
Speaker 1: I know where to put my feet, muscle memory.

777
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 4: Totally, you know, like how much pressure my toes are

778
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,320
going to be on the board versus the other parts

779
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:47,840
of my foot.

780
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know.

781
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 4: And so to that point, one question I have for

782
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,960
you is do you do you think that the flow

783
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:04,000
state and a meditative state are one the same thing

784
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:04,880
or are they separate?

785
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,119
Speaker 1: I think it depends.

786
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: I think it it well, it depends on what you're

787
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:20,559
what you're doing with the meditation, because meditation is a

788
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,440
broader thing than people realize. Like, for example, most people

789
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,800
would not think of driving a car as a form

790
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,599
of meditation. That's an interesting question though, But I wouldn't.

791
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:32,920
I wouldn't say they're the same thing.

792
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 4: What I you know, for me, like the flow state,

793
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,840
it's it's hard for me to get into that. Yeah,

794
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,800
and I skate because I'm an overthinker. Yeah right, yeah,

795
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,800
so I can relate to that. But I definitely it's

796
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,559
it does happen. Yeah, it happens when I'm not thinking

797
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,880
about it. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, I'm like, wow,

798
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,119
I'm really on today, you know. And I will recognize

799
00:39:57,159 --> 00:39:59,280
it in other skateboarders. If I spend a lot of

800
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,800
time like the Old the old group that I spent

801
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,960
a lot of time with back in West Virginia, I

802
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,840
would see these specific guys where I.

803
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,519
Speaker 1: Would know they were on point and they were in

804
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:08,719
that state. Yeah you know.

805
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I bet you if they if you ask

806
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:12,880
them what are you thinking about? They're like, I'm not

807
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,760
thinking about anything right now. They're just they're just freeze

808
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,320
a bird.

809
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: Right, But they are.

810
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,639
Speaker 3: But they don't realize it because you're you're never not thinking.

811
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,280
But you've raised But yeah, you've raised an interesting question though, Yeah,

812
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,079
because people will tell you. See something I can't do

813
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,320
is you know the types of the types of meditation

814
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,719
of course, where you know you're supposed to clear your

815
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,239
mind right of all thought and let everything go.

816
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: Yep, I don't know how. I don't know how to

817
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,800
do that, you know what I mean? Yeah, because but

818
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:45,400
I don't.

819
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 3: But my theory is though that most people don't know

820
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,760
how to do that, because even if you're sitting there thinking,

821
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:52,920
I'm clearing my mind of all thoughts, well, you're having

822
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,679
a thought, you're thinking about clearing your mind, you know

823
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,679
what I mean. I don't know, so I don't know

824
00:40:56,679 --> 00:40:59,760
if that's even real. Now, anyone who does say trans

825
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:02,760
transcendental meditation or anything, we'll tell you that I'm wrong.

826
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,960
But I just I don't know that that's real.

827
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: Because I think I correct me if I'm wrong. But

828
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,800
I think you're supposed to not attach yourself to thoughts

829
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,719
coming in when you're trying to get into the meditation

830
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:13,880
stay correct.

831
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,639
Speaker 1: Well, certain types of meditation.

832
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: Certainly, I what I tell people because for example, when

833
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,400
I'm when I'm bringing somebody into a state of hypnosis

834
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,039
and I'm giving them these you know I'm telling them.

835
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:28,280
You know, you're very relaxed, and I'm telling them that,

836
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,840
you know, you feel like you're floating or whatever it is.

837
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,760
You know, everybody's I'll do different things for different people,

838
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,360
but I do give them suggestions that you don't have

839
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,039
any intrusive thoughts, you don't have any any worries, any cares.

840
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,880
Nothing is distracting you, not sounds, not thoughts, nothing, and

841
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,480
you're able to just focus on the moment. But I

842
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:52,400
also tell them something I tell them before I even

843
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,320
start the session is if, during the course of the session,

844
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,840
if your mind starts to go other places, if you

845
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,719
lose track of what I'm saying to you and your

846
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,920
mind starts to go elsewhere, you start daydreaming or whatever,

847
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,400
just go with it. Just let it happen, because it's

848
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,199
it's so it's not about, at least the way I

849
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,639
do it. And even you know, hypnosis specifically, there's different

850
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:16,320
ways to do it. But I don't necessarily because I

851
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,320
don't want the client to think that, you know, if

852
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,440
they start to daydream, if they start to go elsewhere,

853
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:24,800
if something else starts to come in, I don't want

854
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,840
them to fight that too much because if you start

855
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,119
fighting it, well then you're not, then you're not relaxed, right,

856
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:34,760
So I tell them, you know, just kind of go

857
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,199
with it, because whatever happens, just go with it. And

858
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,519
just know that even if you lose track of what

859
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:43,000
I'm saying to you, your subconscious mind is still going

860
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,639
to record all of it. Okay, Yeah, if that makes sense,

861
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:50,800
I hope. I hope that made sense a way I

862
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,559
said that. You know, like You've got me thinking about

863
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:56,559
it in a way that I've never quite thought about before.

864
00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:58,280
So that's interesting. I appreciate that.

865
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, like, well, I'm going to I'm

866
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:04,639
gonna maybe sidetrack the conversation.

867
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: A little bit. Yeah, that's fine, but we have time.

868
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 4: What I what I wanted to say was that one

869
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,400
of the ways that I, uh, one of the ways

870
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,800
that that I was able to recover mentally a lot

871
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,639
from a lot of anguish that I brought with me

872
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,159
up here, and how I've gotten stable and all that, Yeah,

873
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,039
was doing this kind of delivery work that I was.

874
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:24,559
I'm going to go way back in the beginning of

875
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:25,239
this conversation.

876
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

877
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 4: I spend so much time on the road alone in

878
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,360
between these deliveries because I wasn't I wasn't doing Amazon delivery,

879
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:37,679
doing pharmaceutical delivery, so like you know, four or five

880
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,880
stops you know that are sort of close to each other,

881
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,199
then doing payroll. So I but I would have these

882
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,719
big windows of time where I'm just alone in the car.

883
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,800
I could have music on obviously or whatever, but I

884
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,880
spend so much time processing old stuff that I hadn't

885
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,760
I hadn't really thought about in a long time, and

886
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,760
then current stuff that I brought with me that I

887
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:57,880
really needed to deal with.

888
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: And I if.

889
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 4: I didn't have that job that was so incredibly challenging

890
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,840
for me in the beginning, and it's still continued to

891
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,920
be challenging to me on a daily basis. It was

892
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:14,119
absolutely what it was probably the best professional experience I've

893
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:17,159
ever had because it allowed me to heal. Spending that

894
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,159
time alone the best thing that could have happened.

895
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting, and that makes sense.

896
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: Are you Are you comfortable?

897
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,119
Speaker 3: So it sounds like you're someone who's comfortable with that,

898
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,079
with being alone because some people, some people can't be alone,

899
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:35,320
you know.

900
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 4: I honestly, prior to being here, I was never comfortable

901
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,440
being alone really and that led to a lot of

902
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:44,800
relationship problems that I had just being in and out

903
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,400
of relationships because I wasn't you know, I wasn't present,

904
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,599
or I would just have drifting eyes.

905
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. I'm telling you.

906
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 4: It's if there's a big piece of advice I could

907
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,199
give somebody, is to give if you're dealing with not

908
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,199
being able to be alone, force yourself to make give

909
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,360
yourself that time. Give yourself a lot of time be alone. Yeah,

910
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:12,039
and you know, take time for yourself, you know, And

911
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:16,480
and heal, heal the wounds within. Yes, And and that's it.

912
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:18,679
And I mean I'm not going to promise that you're

913
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:21,280
going to achieve happiness through that, but you'll definitely have

914
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,599
a clearer mind, and you'll be more open to the present,

915
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,119
and you'll be more open to what you actually want

916
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:27,039
out of life.

917
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,079
Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, absolutely, I think that's uh. I think

918
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:36,760
that's really good advice. So now, how long how long

919
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,559
have you been up here?

920
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,159
Speaker 1: It's a year and it's been almost exactly a year

921
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:42,159
or now not that long?

922
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 3: Do you keep in touch with uh people back in

923
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,159
West Virginia? Because I know sometimes people when they when

924
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:50,440
they move and they they really kind of turn things around.

925
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,400
They want to leave, leave the past, including relationships behind.

926
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,119
I mean, do you keep in touch with anybody or

927
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:58,159
have you kind of created some separation there?

928
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:58,679
Speaker 1: Well.

929
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 4: I try to keep in touch as best I can

930
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,599
and I and I and there are a couple of

931
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:09,079
people that that I'm still talking to, probably more now

932
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,760
that I'm up here than I did speaking to them

933
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,559
when I was there. I've got a friend of mine

934
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:18,360
that lives in Maryland that that that I talked to often,

935
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,920
but as far as you know, like ex girlfriends and

936
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,239
things like that, not really. And I think it's I

937
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,000
think it's important, especially now that I'm in a relationship

938
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,320
and I'm in a committed relationship, to turn that page

939
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,559
and not not allow myself to to keep the past

940
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:44,559
present super present in my life. That's one way that

941
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,719
I've definitely grown through this experience. I definitely was not

942
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:51,719
a very committal person. I wanted to, but I really couldn't.

943
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,320
I just didn't have, I guess, the maturity level to

944
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,960
do it. But really it was about choices, I think,

945
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:01,320
and you know, moving move into the future, I've just

946
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,840
chosen to be the kind of man that I would

947
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,679
be proud of and that and and to honor the

948
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:09,360
person that I'm with. Yeah, regardless if it works out

949
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,159
or not in the future, right, you know, I believe

950
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:14,599
it will, but say it doesn't. I don't want to

951
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:17,119
have any regrets leaving the relationship that I did something

952
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:21,039
that I definitely could have been preventable. You know, you know,

953
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:27,639
as you know, how do I say that? You know

954
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,400
you're going to deal with You're going to deal with

955
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,199
attention from the opposite sex, whether you're a man or

956
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:36,800
a woman, and you have to choose where you draw

957
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,000
the line in the sand. You don't have to be

958
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:40,239
rude about and say, hey, I have a you know,

959
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,320
I'm in a relationship. You don't have to be like that,

960
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,880
But just be mature enough and have enough respect for

961
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,440
your partner to not not destroy what they're also trying

962
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,039
to build with you.

963
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: That's a good way of putting it. Absolutely.

964
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,119
Speaker 3: So we're getting a little bit close to the top

965
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:57,000
of the hour, So just a couple of things I

966
00:47:57,039 --> 00:47:58,920
want to make sure we we uh we touch on.

967
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:00,159
Speaker 1: I mean, are you.

968
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: What what are you doing now? Is there anything specific

969
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,840
that you're doing now to make sure that you remain

970
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,679
on this very positive path that you're on.

971
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 4: I am I am focusing on a couple of things

972
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,280
other than maintaining the employment that I do currently have.

973
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm doing volunteer work and that's what I was curious about.

974
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:25,719
I want to hear about that.

975
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I wasn't sure if I could, if I

976
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:32,079
could say who it is. Oh, absolutely So I do

977
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:35,320
volunteer work and I encourage anybody to come down and

978
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,639
support us and what we're doing at Manchester Police Athletics League.

979
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:44,800
I'm one of the coaches on Wednesday for skateboard class.

980
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,199
It's it's it's genuinely an excellent experience for for any

981
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,840
any ability level of kid that wants to come down

982
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,000
and uh, you just come in sign a waivery and

983
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,840
you can come in and where there's quite a few

984
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,719
of us in there as coaches that can help the

985
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,039
little ones or even somebody that's fifteen or sixteen that

986
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:10,039
just wants a safe place to skate indoors. That's super nice. Yeah, Uh,

987
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,039
just come on in and support and and and that's

988
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,400
one of the things I'm doing.

989
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:17,599
Speaker 3: Okay, excellent, Oh that's fantastic.

990
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

991
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 4: And then outside of that, my my dream right now,

992
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,880
I don't you can cut me off if you want

993
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,960
to with this, but my dream is to is to

994
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,159
be in the communications industry here in New Hampshire.

995
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:34,159
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

996
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 4: So that could either be at a television station or

997
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,039
at a radio station yep. And so over the next

998
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:42,599
few months, I'm going to try to find the right

999
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:46,639
place to either do internship shadow work, I you know,

1000
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,639
and I'd like to just get my foot in the

1001
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:52,360
door with that. That's what that's honestly what I would

1002
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,760
like to do moving forward for my life.

1003
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,199
Speaker 3: You've got a good h I'm sure others have told

1004
00:49:57,199 --> 00:49:59,320
you this too. You've got a good voice for you know,

1005
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:02,039
you've got a good deep voice. You know, if you

1006
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:04,480
were to do like something in radio or voice over

1007
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:06,760
work or anything like that, or a podcast or anything.

1008
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

1009
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 3: I envy your voice. I wish I had. I wish

1010
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,599
I had a deeper voice. My dad has like a

1011
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:14,639
I sound like my dad, but he has a deeper

1012
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,519
voice than I do. But I think I got stuck

1013
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:18,920
with my mother's nose and I think it makes me

1014
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,599
more nasally, and then i'd like to be it's.

1015
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: Getting deeper as I get older.

1016
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 3: It's one of the few things better good about getting older,

1017
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,039
I guess, is my voice is getting deeper.

1018
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: I listened to stuff from ten years ago, and I

1019
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:30,400
sound more like this.

1020
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,199
Speaker 3: But uh no, but I but I think I think

1021
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,760
that's great. And you know, I think, you know, yeah,

1022
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,400
if I can offer any advice, uh you know, or anything,

1023
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,400
we you know, we can talk after. But uh no,

1024
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,679
I think that's a great thing to pursue. And and

1025
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,480
I think you've got a lot to say that I

1026
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:52,239
think can help other people, you know, so so I

1027
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,199
I really encourage that too, because I think that I

1028
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:57,079
think a lot of what you've said here is relatable.

1029
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,440
I think it's something that actually, you know, homelessness, as

1030
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:05,239
as the cost of housing in this country just keeps

1031
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,960
going up. And and you know, we've seen since you know,

1032
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:12,079
post pandemic, rates of homelessness increase everywhere, in some areas

1033
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,840
more than others. But but I think there's a lot

1034
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,239
of people out there struggling, and I think you have

1035
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,800
I think you have a great message. And I think also,

1036
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,199
you know, not only a great message, but but there's

1037
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,440
some real substance there in terms of ways to you know,

1038
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:32,480
like like skateboarding or or or anything anything physical that

1039
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:35,960
helps you in so many ways get out of that

1040
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:39,079
mental state that you might be in or you know,

1041
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,239
or help you to figure out how to solve problems

1042
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,239
or or or quite literally the getting up when you

1043
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,599
fall down you know, you know.

1044
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:49,119
Speaker 4: Well and getting your aggression out too, and that too. Yeah,

1045
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,280
when you're younger.

1046
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely and doing something positive with all that. So yeah,

1047
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,679
so I would h I would definitely encourage that. And

1048
00:51:58,639 --> 00:52:01,400
do you have any just we are we are running

1049
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,280
short on time, but any any just quick advice for

1050
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,079
for people who are who are struggling, who are looking

1051
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:08,320
for a.

1052
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: Way out, well for a way forward.

1053
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 4: The best thing to do is, I guess, I guess

1054
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,920
my best advice is to believe in yourself no matter

1055
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:26,199
what situation you're in, no matter how bad things look,

1056
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,000
they are going to be better on the other side

1057
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,079
of it. Yeah, get up every day and make just

1058
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:39,199
a baby step in the right direction from wherever you're at.

1059
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,760
Accept help if it's offered, don't just turn it down.

1060
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,679
Don't be too proud no matter what what your situation is.

1061
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,960
You know, not just the most destitute of us, but

1062
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,119
people like me. That was I was still getting up

1063
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:54,679
and going to work, but I was living out in

1064
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,320
my car and no one knew, and some of my

1065
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,719
friends found out and they're like, okay, you're you're we're

1066
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,719
going to let you crash on the couch side.

1067
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: And you know it.

1068
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 4: I I don't have enough time to thank all the

1069
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,119
people that helped me out back then, but it was

1070
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:16,039
because I was accepting their help and I was I

1071
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,280
was also staying away from from things and people that

1072
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,360
I knew were going to make things worse. Yeah, and uh,

1073
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:26,639
you know, there's so much more that that you and

1074
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:29,360
I did not cover about this, and we we we

1075
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,719
got a little off track on some things. But I

1076
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,880
really enjoyed this experience. I've never done anything like this before,

1077
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,920
never been on air. Oh okay, okay, thank you so

1078
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,159
much for giving me the opportunity.

1079
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:41,519
Speaker 1: Man. Happy anniversary to yourself.

1080
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:43,599
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, Justin, and thank you for joining us,

1081
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:45,719
and uh and you know, and thank you to Tone

1082
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,840
for connecting us. But yeah, I appreciate you being here.

1083
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,559
This has been very interesting and hopefully it helps somebody too,

1084
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:51,800
you know.

1085
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 4: That's that's that's what I hope. Yeah, just stay positive

1086
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,360
out there, folks, and you know, be good to each other,

1087
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,039
help each other.

1088
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 1: You could.

1089
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 4: You never know how much of a blessing you can be, Yeah,

1090
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,760
someone's life. Anybody can be.

1091
00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:06,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely well said, well said, Uh, justin Hunt, thank

1092
00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:09,199
you so much. And uh if you if you miss

1093
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:10,559
any part of today's show, it will be up in

1094
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:12,880
just a little bit at wmn hradio dot organ in

1095
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,159
my website Mattconnorton dot com. And uh, thank you everybody

1096
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:19,159
who joined us today. And again, thank you to everybody

1097
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,559
who else make this possible. It's been been eight years

1098
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,400
and uh here's.

1099
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: To eight more.

1100
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,199
Speaker 3: And uh we'll leave you with a little bit of

1101
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:30,559
this another one of these celebrations songs for for our

1102
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:33,880
eight year anniversary. And justin thank you again. And uh,

1103
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,800
I'm sure we'll do this again in the future. And

1104
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:37,960
that's it for me for now. Talk to you all

1105
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,159
a little bit later, by everybody.

1106
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:52,519
Speaker 5: Hie as teachers like a little bank you freepost is

1107
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:56,800
saying nice bucking le legencity two always loud we covid

1108
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,920
the storm a revel sap a legend is born from

1109
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,199
the Santa class crosses the two at least the fire.

1110
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:13,519
Speaker 6: To bring the turning back flight to shere you'll turn

1111
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:20,519
to go down the boat flot cut stop, don't go away.

1112
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: That's Horba.

1113
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 3: You are listening to W M and H ninety five point.

1114
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: Come in, God, don't get a brief leader, Maxell Goby

1115
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:03,920
Dinner