WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:14.960 Welcome to destiny. 2 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:19.359 Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning, My twenty six is 3 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:21.519 not a year to be written off. It's one of 4 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:24.719 those rare pivotal moments in the astrology where the sky 5 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:28.839 stops whispering and starts screaming at us loudly. If we're 6 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:33.399 talking reality shifting conjunctions with historic implications and eclipses that 7 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:37.000 close a big karmic chapter in one area of your life, 8 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:40.640 only to begin shifting your destiny in a completely new way. 9 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:44.039 Twenty twenty five was a year of big cosmic shifts, 10 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:46.280 with all of the outer planets and the lunar nodes 11 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:49.439 changing science. It was a year of major disruption, marked 12 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:52.600 by pivotal endings and nebulous new beginnings. And while the 13 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:55.479 astrology of twenty twenty six does bring much needed support 14 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:58.880 and momentum while nudging this storyline along, it also reroutes 15 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:01.920 the entire plot. If you've been patiently waiting for a 16 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.519 year that actually moves the needle in your healing, your purpose, 17 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:10.000 your relationships, your spiritual growth, and your role within the collective, 18 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:12.480 twenty twenty six is that year. 19 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:16.239 Well. At the beginning of the new year, twenty twenty six, 20 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:21.439 and typically we're looking at ways of understanding what we 21 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:24.599 can look forward to in the year. Those of us 22 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:30.799 who are into divination toreu ruins and in this case astrology, 23 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:36.640 we are learning what to expect and we're listening to 24 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.560 I should say, that's astrology with Heather. She's a very 25 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:45.840 popular YouTube astrologer who's giving us kind of a global 26 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:50.799 look at what the how the year will unfold, and 27 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:53.159 how to go about, you know, doing your thing to 28 00:01:53.200 --> 00:02:00.879 be as successful. And that's the theme today is astrology, trends, personality, 29 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:06.159 character types, and how the stars of the constellations influence us. Hey, 30 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.159 this is clip your host of Destiny, and today we're 31 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:15.199 looking at how our ancestors used astrology, and not just 32 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:19.960 that the discovery of a new or perhaps old astrology 33 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:24.680 that was handed down from likely an unknown civilization. This 34 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:28.919 goes as far back as the ruins of Goebecley Tepee 35 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:32.800 and Turkey, where they've found evidence of many of the 36 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:38.960 zodiac signs on the t pillars. And also when we 37 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:42.800 go to Egypt at the Dinderra Temple known as the 38 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:49.199 Hathorpe Temple, there's a very famous astrological roof that was 39 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:56.000 used for skygazing connections, but that has the astrology, has 40 00:02:56.000 --> 00:03:02.080 the astrological figures carved into it, and so that's a big, 41 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:07.479 big piece of data that our ancestors were using astrology 42 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:15.520 for not only individual use, but also for greater prognostication, 43 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:20.520 in other words, predicting how wars were going to be fought, 44 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.360 the best time to go to war, the best time 45 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:26.960 to plant your crops, the best time to get married, 46 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.479 the best time to have children. I've mentioned it many times. 47 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:36.039 With the astrology that was used in Mesoamerica, most notably 48 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:42.879 by the Maya, was highly sophisticated and they would use 49 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:47.360 it for predicting and I think even some prophecy on 50 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:51.360 what to expect in the year to come and how 51 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:57.039 people would fare. And also and my teacher who mus Men, 52 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:02.360 mentioned this many times. They actually were able to help people, 53 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:07.520 i should say, show people how to conceive, how to 54 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:14.479 conceive children, the best time to make, the best month, 55 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:20.959 weekday that you could have children, and the outcome from 56 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:27.959 those couplings. So we don't use astrology in quite the 57 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:34.800 same manner anymore, And of course our current science doesn't 58 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:37.759 believe it in anything having to do with astrology at all. 59 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:42.639 But we know the Maya, we know the Dynastic Egyptians, 60 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:49.360 we know the Sumerians, Babylonians, Chinese and other and the 61 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:56.480 Hindu the Vedic systems. They used astrology with great accuracy 62 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:05.680 and really helped people understand how the year would unfold. 63 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:10.279 So that's what our program is today. And I want 64 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.680 to also mention that my guest today is Graham Phillips. 65 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:16.439 We haven't had Grandma probably a good year and a half. 66 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:18.759 We have him on when he has right. When he writes, 67 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:22.399 he writes a great deal. But this new work is 68 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:26.480 fascinating simply because it connects, as I mentioned earlier, with 69 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:31.959 go Beckley Tepi. He has developed and found what he 70 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:37.759 calls the Mesoamerican Zodiac, and this is something that no 71 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:42.439 one has really heard of before, but it is really 72 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:47.839 an eye opener because it relates to a much earlier people. 73 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:52.959 So today's program is the original Zodiac, and my guest 74 00:05:53.079 --> 00:06:00.000 is Graham Phillips. I've been talking about Chattanooga whiskey now 75 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:03.199 for a few months, and I tell you, I just 76 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:05.879 can't get enough of it. The ninety one, which is 77 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:09.199 my favorite. 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It's called The Original Zodiac. 99 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:24.000 What Ancient Astrology Reveals about You. And it's fun to 100 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:27.879 talk about astrology in general because it's predictive in some 101 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.720 ways and also well, as we'll learn today, gives us 102 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:36.480 a sense of individual personalities and character development. But if 103 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:39.559 you're not familiar with Graham, Graham is a brilliant writer 104 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.639 when it comes to King Arthur. In fact, if you 105 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:44.399 look at his Facebook page, he's always looking and hoping 106 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:50.600 for a big dig somewhere and we can unveil where 107 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.080 King Arthur was buried. But it's also very popular and 108 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:59.480 has discussed and written extensively about the Templar Knights. Graham, 109 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:04.279 welcome back to Destiny. What was the I mean this 110 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:07.000 is a departure for you. When did you get involved 111 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:09.480 with the astrology? Let's talk about that for a man. 112 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:12.679 Well, as you say, most of my books have all 113 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:20.120 been about researching historical mysteries and going back. This whole 114 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:25.240 thing started back in the mid nineteen nineties, so thirty 115 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:28.600 years ago, and I was doing a book then about 116 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:32.480 the life of Alexander the Great. Now he ended up 117 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:35.720 dying in Babylon, which was the largest city in the 118 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:39.840 world at the time, in what's now Iraq, And I 119 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:43.440 was reading various accounts of his life that were written 120 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.519 by his scribes at the time, and I came across 121 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:49.639 I think I found quite fascinating. It was the Greeks 122 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:53.159 who pretty much invented the zodiac we now know and love, 123 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:56.600 with Scorpio and Aquarius and Ares and that sort of thing. 124 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:00.279 The Greeks who are the ones who desired I did 125 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:04.639 it into these twelve signs. But Alexander, when he was 126 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.480 in Greece was getting his astrologers and he was right 127 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:10.120 into it to predict what might happen to him in 128 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:15.480 these coming campaigns. And he says, his scribes say that 129 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:19.440 the astrologers in Babylon were saying, oh, no, no, it's 130 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:23.360 not twelve signs, We've got eighteen. Now. It didn't say anymore. 131 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:25.799 They just said it was you know, Alexander wouldn't have this. 132 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.000 But I thought, well, they don't refer more to this. 133 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:33.080 I would like to look into it and see what 134 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:38.639 these eighteen signs were. And that is how it started 135 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.679 and from the point of actually knowing there was an 136 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:44.720 eighteen signs sodieat that seems to have preceded the Greek 137 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:49.240 twelve sign one. To finding out what these signs actually 138 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:54.120 were and how they were interpreted has taken thirty years. 139 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:57.960 Amazing. Talk a little bit about why you believe the 140 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:01.440 Greeks were the discoverers. I asked question because I've been 141 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:06.679 to Middle East many times and at Half Temple and Dindera, 142 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:11.120 there's a very famous ceiling that the French removed and 143 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:17.320 brought to Paris, and you can see this original zodiac constellations, 144 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.120 and I would think that that's much older than the 145 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:23.679 Greeks the early So I don't know if it's Old 146 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:30.080 Middle or New York Kingdom Egyptians who created the ceiling. 147 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:34.480 But how do you, speculator, how do you provide us 148 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:38.600 information that the Greeks were the ones who invented astrology. 149 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:42.279 Now, the Greeks didn't invent the zodiac. They created the 150 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:47.159 twelve sign one we have today. Oh, Theydia, I think 151 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:50.639 it's about eighteen sixteen signs or something. There are other 152 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.080 signs earlier than the Greeks. The Mayans had a I 153 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:57.000 think it was a forty signed zodiac or something. The 154 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.919 Indians had one that was pretty old, you know, at 155 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:04.399 again and no, what it is is the one we notice, prays. 156 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:06.519 It is probably easy if I explain for those who 157 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:08.639 don't know what exactly the zodiac is. 158 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:09.279 Now. 159 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:12.679 There are stars everywhere, and they're divided up by astronomers 160 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:17.440 today into eighty eight signs, but they're all over the place. 161 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:21.559 The zodiac twelve signs are just once in a particular 162 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:25.279 band around the Sun, and they are the band in 163 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:28.799 which the Earth, the Moon, and the planets appear to 164 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:31.480 orbit the Sun. In fact, they orbit it in a 165 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:37.200 roughly flat plane. So consequently we've seen from Earth the Moon, 166 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:40.600 the stars, etc. Are only ever in one of these 167 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:46.639 twelve constellations, not in the others. They're never in the 168 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:51.559 constellation of O'Brian, for example, or the Big Dipper. They're 169 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:56.639 only in the twelve constellations of the zodiac. Now, the ancients, 170 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:01.480 the Greeks and like other people who divided it separately, 171 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:06.559 believe that at certain times when planets or the sun 172 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:10.039 were in certain positions in the zodiac as seen from Earth, 173 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:13.919 meant different things. And the Greeks what they said, is 174 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:18.039 when the sun is in a particular zodiac sign, that 175 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:21.159 means one thing, and when it's moves the next it 176 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:24.240 means something else. And how they divided the zodiac up 177 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:29.480 was into twelve roughly equal segments to correspond with their 178 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:33.559 months that began. Their new year began on March of 179 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.440 twenty first at the spring equinox, and then they had 180 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:42.799 a roughly equal twelve months from then. And okay, let's 181 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.000 say the sign aries, for example, you look at that. 182 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.799 It doesn't look anything like a RAM. I know that 183 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:51.919 when you see these star charts, they'll draw around and 184 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:55.320 they'll use some of the stars to actually fit where 185 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:59.480 its ears are or whatever. But the RAM sign aries 186 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:02.039 is just a basically a squiggly line. If you join 187 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.840 the stars up and there's not much. None of the 188 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.960 other stars look very much like they're supposed to be. Now. 189 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:12.120 The way the Greeks worked out what the star sign 190 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:15.919 what each other. They'd named the months after these creatures. 191 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:19.080 They'd named them after aries. The ram, they'd named enough 192 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.480 of scorpion, the scorpion, scorpy of the scorpion, and so forth. 193 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:27.080 And the reason they'd chose those particular signs is because 194 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:29.440 the people who were born at that time of the 195 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:34.960 year when the sun was in that particular constellation, seemed 196 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:38.639 to share characteristics in common. For example, people who were 197 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:42.960 born in aries seemed to be have ram like characteristics. 198 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.639 They barged their head, there were good leaders, lion leo, 199 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:49.919 brave people, scorpions, people with a sting in the tail. 200 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:55.519 They created these months named after characteristics people born at 201 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:58.159 that time of the year seemed to share, and then 202 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.919 said right, well, we'll just make stars formed roughly into 203 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:06.919 that particular shape. So that's how it came about. Other civilizations, 204 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.279 like the Egyptians you mentioned, had different signs, like, for example, 205 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:16.000 what we now call scorpio was seen by the Egyptians 206 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.000 as two turtles. The Mayon saw that same sign what's 207 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:25.000 now scorpio as a snake. So how each is different. 208 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:28.519 But the one that we have today was inherited from 209 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:29.200 the Greeks. 210 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.240 Okay, so before we get into this what you call 211 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:38.200 Mesopotamian zodiac with eighteen signs, I want to talk about energy. 212 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:42.399 It is my I study the Mayan astroto astrology and 213 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:48.759 astronomy and their cosmological focus. They believe everything has energy. 214 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:52.240 I want you to talk a little bit about the 215 00:15:52.360 --> 00:16:01.519 influence of planetary systems or cosmological influences on people. That's 216 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:04.919 an energetic influence, isn't It isn't what you call that 217 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:07.720 energy from a planet's what do you call it? The 218 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:12.080 gravity of the planet, the constellational's influence on a person. 219 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:15.639 I want you to talk a little bit about the energy, 220 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:20.600 because no one talks about the energetic influence on zodiac 221 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:25.639 science on a person, which creates all these characteristics. 222 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.039 Well, it seems, I mean, it's only literally now that 223 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:34.240 we have scientific evidence to back up the fact that 224 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:36.120 people are born at a certain time of the year 225 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:41.200 do have characteristics in common. Now people might say, Okay, 226 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:45.039 the stars are so far away, they're light years of 227 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.639 the way, they can't affect personality and characteristics because you're 228 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.720 born then. And the planets, how are they doing it? Well, 229 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:56.559 it seems that research that was done at Tel Aviv 230 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.919 University just a couple of years ago by a team 231 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:06.960 of scientists looking into cellular biology. They've found that when 232 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:10.440 like animals that are born at different times of the year, 233 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.960 or plants or anything throughout the year, they change like, 234 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:18.400 for example, in the winter, they need to have more fur, 235 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:20.440 they need to change the color of the fur. Like 236 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:23.839 squirrels or foxes, they need that. Other times to the 237 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:26.839 year is the time that they mate and so on. Now, 238 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.599 going back to when before we were humans, even going 239 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:38.079 back to our remote ancestors, the seasons affected us. So now, 240 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:41.559 according to the research it's been done at Tel Aviv, 241 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:47.559 they now know that throughout the year, hormones change in 242 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:51.000 our bodies. It may not actually do much to us 243 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.680 on the surface of things, but it affects the growth 244 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:58.400 of an embryo. So a woman who is pregnant for 245 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:05.079 nine months during a certain period has different biological reactions, 246 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:11.319 different hormone effects than somebody who's somebody who's pregnant at 247 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.839 a different times. In other words, people are born at 248 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:17.119 the same time, have they've gone through a period of 249 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:21.440 gestation in the womb of the same time as somebody else, 250 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:24.880 so they've got all the same hormones affecting them. Somebody 251 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:28.160 a month later has got slightly different hormones. And this, 252 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:33.920 the Tel Aviv scientists said, could very well affect how 253 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:38.559 people who are born then may actually appear, sometimes their features, 254 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:45.039 their characteristics, their likes dislikes, and it could really have 255 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:48.640 an effect. So this is the first actual, historic, actual 256 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.880 scientific evidence that certainly when you're born in the year 257 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:56.559 natal astrologiers they call it can actually work. 258 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:00.640 Yeah, you call it chronobiology, which I thought was a 259 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:06.640 fantastic term, having to do a hormone distribution throughout the 260 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:11.240 different parts of the year. And this is a big deal. 261 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:18.640 And this also helps with the evidence does astrology work. 262 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:20.440 I want you to talk a little bit about the 263 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.079 fact that, and you talk about this in your book, 264 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:27.279 it's not wu wu It's an actual fact that our ancestors, 265 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:33.119 the ancients aligned and understood that there are certain physical 266 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:36.519 attributes of being born in a certain time of year, 267 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:42.519 and that these planets and star systems can affect us. 268 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:47.039 Yeah. Well, I mean going back to how we found 269 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:51.279 out what particular signs for damp police eighteen signs Adiak, 270 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:55.880 how it actually be he does seem to work. The 271 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:02.519 Greeks at Alexander's time mentioned this eighteen signed zodiac. It 272 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.359 took quite a long time to do research to find 273 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:07.480 out anything about it. But there's a kind of four 274 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:12.039 thousand year old inscribed tablets in the British Museum that 275 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:16.640 was found in ancient Babylon in the ancient Babylonian Empire. 276 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:21.799 That tells us that there were eighteen signs. It tells 277 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:25.119 us what times of the year they correspond to, but 278 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:27.759 it doesn't tell us what the creatures were that were 279 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:32.200 represented as these things in the zodiac. And it wasn't 280 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:36.559 until two thy and ten when they started to excavate 281 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:40.640 kbecley Tepe in eastern Turkey, which is a northern part 282 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:45.279 of Mesopotamia, as was that they found inscribed stones there 283 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:51.039 with the animals on it that represented these eighteen signs. Now, 284 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:55.640 the problem is still nobody actually knew how each of 285 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:59.160 these signs would be interpreted. So I thought, well, okay, 286 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:01.960 it seems to be let's say the first sign was 287 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.759 the spider. That seems to have been for people born 288 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:09.960 between March twenty first and April ninth. So I gathered, well, 289 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:13.119 if it's sort of like the Greek one, it characteristics 290 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:16.200 people born, then are going to have that share it 291 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:19.559 with the creature? Then obviously a spider. It creates a web. 292 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:23.839 It's creative, it's always the ancient sign of creativity. It's 293 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:27.799 also a loner. It doesn't swarm around with other spiders 294 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.759 like bees or ants or something like that it lives 295 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.920 on its own. So maybe people and that particular sign 296 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:36.119 are going to be solitary people. They're going to be 297 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:39.920 perhaps people who are considered to be artistic and creative. 298 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:43.359 But okay, how do I discover more? I thought, well, 299 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:46.400 the only way because there's no ancient writings survived that 300 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:48.960 tell us how they work this out. I thought, well, 301 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:51.839 the only way is to do if it works, it works, 302 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:55.160 and to do a survey of people born in each 303 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:58.920 sign to see if they share characteristics. Are they athletic, 304 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:02.160 are they artistic? Are they intellectual? 305 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:02.640 You know? 306 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.680 And so on. But I started to do this and thought, 307 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:09.440 this is going to take forever. No enough people, I 308 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:12.000 mean the Greeks and these other people that worked, you know, 309 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:15.359 the Mayans, the people of India, the Egyptians would have 310 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:20.680 spent years, generations writing down these things and observing these 311 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:23.960 ideas and gradually coming up with what the signs were. 312 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:27.000 And I thought was impossible. So I put it off 313 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:30.200 until a couple of years ago. I thought, God, there 314 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.400 is a way of doing it. Ai. So I literally 315 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:36.079 went and chatted ept or whatever the equivalent I was 316 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:39.119 using back then. I said, give me two hundred people 317 00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:42.000 born famous people born between this date and that date. 318 00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:45.839 They're there. Oh, give me a list of those who 319 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.440 are artists, those who are sports people, those who have 320 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.400 got this in common that and it was able to 321 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:53.319 work it out within seconds from the. 322 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:54.640 Whole My god. 323 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.599 And that's how I was and what I found was 324 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:03.359 absolutely astonishing, was based on this biggest survey that probably 325 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:07.599 had ever been conducted until that point on people's personality, 326 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:11.240 traits and characteristics in common in each sign over each 327 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.279 time of the year. I mean, I don't think anybody 328 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:17.279 had done this before. Any survey earlier than this had 329 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:21.119 never had so many people involved in it. It really 330 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:25.759 did seem to show that people had similar characteristics in common. 331 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:28.880 And now only in the last couple of years there's 332 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:32.839 a possibility scientifically as to why this might be the case. 333 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:35.079 And that's the research that were done in Tel Aviv. 334 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:38.079 Let me ask you real quickly, because you did bring 335 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:41.880 up the British Museum, and we've had various people on 336 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:46.240 that work at the British Museum. You're saying that you 337 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:49.480 did discover some cuneiforms, which are the stone tablets, but 338 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:53.319 they were just very vague in their description. 339 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:57.400 Of the vague they basically mentioned what each of these. 340 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:01.319 For example, the first signs I mentioned was the spider. 341 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:05.640 They just had talked about that particular sign being called 342 00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:10.920 the brush. Now everybody thought that would be something the hair, 343 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:16.920 but in early in early Sumerian, which is the first 344 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:22.720 civilization to invent uniform the spider was known as the 345 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:28.960 desert brush because it goes along quickly and it kicks 346 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.839 up dust. So it was things like that, And they 347 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:35.440 all the other particular creatures had they were given the 348 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:38.039 names of gods. The gods that read. Each of the 349 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:41.400 gods of the of the mess pertainments obviously was represented 350 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:44.079 by animals in similar way that the lot of the 351 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:48.240 Egyptian gods have have got animal heads, like the jackal 352 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:51.480 headed god, a new bits and so on. But we 353 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.359 didn't actually know, like, for example, there was one called 354 00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:57.960 pai yon Bong. I think that's how they pronounce it. 355 00:24:58.200 --> 00:24:58.960 I really would. 356 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:00.000 I was changed. 357 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:02.119 I don't think anybody does know. They can only work 358 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:06.279 out roughly. Nobody knew. Well, I certainly didn't back then 359 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:09.000 that that was a swan, or at least a god 360 00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:12.599 that was represented by a swan, And it wasn't. And 361 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.440 so I've got all these representations and names of gods 362 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:19.319 and sort of characteristics of these gods from these cuneiform things, 363 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:23.880 but nothing actually said what animals would represent, only that 364 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:27.640 animals represented them, but not what they were apart from 365 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:31.880 a couple, which was the vulture and the snake. But 366 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:35.319 other than that, we just didn't know until the discovery 367 00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:40.119 of Gobechy Teppe of all these carved animals. I mean, 368 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:42.680 for those who don't know, Beckley Teppe is sort of 369 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.759 like stone enge, except that hasn't got the lentil stones 370 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:48.960 around the top of the arches, and it's like imagine 371 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:51.839 once something like that, but a number of stone enges 372 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:55.559 down in the ground so that the top half is 373 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:58.440 visible and the tops of the stones in a kind 374 00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:01.680 of t shape. And there are a lot of these, 375 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:06.359 and they were built around ten thousand years ago, and 376 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:11.119 they are marvelous carvings, way before anybody else was carving 377 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:13.279 things like this, and the animals really do look like 378 00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:16.279 the animals they're supposed to be. And the only reason 379 00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:19.079 it was preserved for so long is that when the 380 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:22.599 people of Godecti Tepi moved away, probably because of climate 381 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:27.200 change it got drier, they actually buried all these stone circles, 382 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:32.119 so they survived and nobody knew they were there until recently. 383 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:36.240 And when we saw what these particular animals were and 384 00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:39.319 their relation to each other drawn on stones in the circle, 385 00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:43.279 it became fairly obvious that they were connected in some way, 386 00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:49.160 at least with these ancient descriptions of the zodiac in 387 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:53.279 cuneiform from ancient Mesopotamia. And that's how it was all 388 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:53.880 put together. 389 00:26:54.799 --> 00:27:00.240 Wonderful, would you say, I mean, Gourbetti Teppe is a 390 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.039 fairly recent discovery. Well, let's say ten years ago. That's 391 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:10.039 when the Schmidt was releasing the data. We're going to 392 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:13.359 take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to 393 00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:17.240 identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guest today, 394 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:26.119 Graham Phillips, presenting his newest release, The Original Zodiac. Will 395 00:27:26.119 --> 00:28:10.839 be right back. My guest today is Graham Phillips. He's 396 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:14.240 written a new book on ancient astrology, known as the 397 00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:19.359 Original Zodiac. What ancient astrology reveals about you, and what 398 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:24.519 he has discovered is what he terms Mesopotamian astrology with 399 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:32.000 eighteen zodiac signs. Did you make a connection with the 400 00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:36.160 Babylonians that they were the ones that were using the 401 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:42.160