Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to reality TV.
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Speaker 1: I am one of your hosts, Delia, still killing it
and mogging on the internet after all these years. Here
with my real tight homegirl and my daughter in law Beatrice.
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I had cankles.
Speaker 1: You don't have cankles literally as you wear those. I
think he just called you and then he said you
were Kanks maxing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I called him in my phone mayor Popenmeyer and.
Speaker 1: Then you're like, I'm almost thirty. And then he said
you were Hags maxing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, rude ass.
Speaker 1: Anyway, this is Beatrice, I'm Dulia, and we are here
to recap the season finale of Welcome to plaith Filled.
This would we've been on a journey with these plaths
and we're here to talk about it. Yeah, but before
we get into it, we do have to issue you
a disclaimer. Leanen, honey, how'd your wife and you better
hide those kids now?
Speaker 2: Put them in the closet.
Speaker 1: Rannie's got a switch. We're in a reverend podcast. Obviously
we say stupid things. We're highly highly inappropriate to get
over it. So if you're.
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Speaker 1: So, before we get into our final recap of Welcome
to Platform Season nine, Beatrice, I have to ask you
whether you have any takeaways.
Speaker 2: My takeaway is that I was right. I was right
all along about Zach, I just want us put it
out there.
Speaker 1: You love being right.
Speaker 2: I do love that's one thing you love. I do
love it. As a Leo, I want to be right, okay.
And I had said from the very beginning when we
got introduced to Zach last season, I'm like, I don't
like this dude. There's something about him that seems weird,
seems this seems toxic. And here we are. Yeah, we
got the proof. He sucks, he does balls. That's it.
Speaker 1: Well, as a Leo, you liked it. What did you say?
Feel right?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: As a Taurus, I know I'm right. Yeah, okay, you
cannot change my mind. I've been knowing about Sag. I
don't like him either. My takeaway was that I'm having
a globally a meta like an overall better impression of
Kim this season than perhaps any season before. And of
course I've never liked him and I've dragged him every season,
but like, I really was able to see the mother
that she was and the mother I hope she's trying
to be, and it did awaken my cold dead heart
a little bit.
Speaker 2: A lot people are gonna hate you for that.
Speaker 1: I'm still side eyeing her, don't get me wrong, and
she's still with that racist and I'm judging that. But
like I just a little bit of my heart came
back to life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt for her too.
Speaker 1: Finally, just a little bit. And I also I also
hate Zach. Yeah, so that was that was great. So
without further ado, let's get into our recap of Welcome
to Plath. Billt CEA said nine episode twelve.
Speaker 2: To season eight, episode twelve. Sorry from the horse of
his mouth, I do that every That's okay, it's because
we'recovering sister Wise.
Speaker 1: Chill take it away.
Speaker 2: Well, we resume this episode where we left off last
week with the Plath family intervention, the ambush of Zach
and Lydia, And this was honestly the bulk of the episode,
where we have the family really blasting Zach for his
judgmental attitude, his unwarranted, unwanted opinions and judgments of the
family and criticisms of everybody. And we have Ethan starting
it off by saying, you know, Zach, keep your opinions
to yourself, Okay, bitch, Nobody wants to fucking hear them,
nobody needs them, nobody asks for him. Just keep it
to yourself. Yeah, And of course Zach takes this very personally,
and you know, in the moment when he's with the family,
he's kind of portraying himself as very stoic and like
trying not to be emotional about it. But to the
camera we.
Speaker 3: See a lot of how he really feels emotional damage.
He feels really but hurt about this confrontation with the family,
And it's kind of funny to see, honestly, because in
the moment's he's coming off very fake and like two.
Speaker 2: Faced, like he's like, well, yeah, like I get it,
I understand. You know, he's trying to defend himself a
few times. So, like one of the biggest issues with
the family is Zach being judgmental of Mariah while they
were all in Montana and how they were playing these
offensive card games that Zach and Lydia didn't approve of,
and Mariah had liquor and alcohol in the presence of Amber,
who is a minor and Zach.
Speaker 1: Lives with Kim plav Yeah, and her drunk boyfriend.
Speaker 2: She's a big old fucking drug She has alcohol.
Speaker 1: Amber has seen it all things, and also.
Speaker 2: Amber is old enough to know, like, I'm not gonna
drink underage. It's not that big of a deal, but whatever,
Zach and Lydia are very hard pressed about it, particularly Zach,
and you know, we have Ethan and Isaac calling Zach
out for this and saying like, well, we heard from
Amber and Kaylin and Mariah that actually you made them
quite uncomfortable and you were pressing them on this issue,
and when you were driving to the airport, they felt
trapped in the car with you because you made them
feel so uncomfortable about this whole situation, and we don't
appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so Zach in this moment is like, well,
I don't understand. Like we talked about it. I apologized,
I understand that I was wrong, and we resolved it.
We've moved on, and I think it's Isaac was like, yeah,
I don't think people actually felt that way. You know,
they were actually pretty upset, And it sounded to me
like it was a conversation in Montana that happened from
Mariah's house all the way to the airport. Like he
never let up. I don't even know that he actually apologized.
Speaker 2: No, and Zach's saying in the moment to the family
that he did apologize and that they did come to
a resolution, but according to Amber and Mariah last week,
they were saying that they just had to agree to
disagree because Zach was constantly on the defense about it,
and he still thought that he was right in exercising
his opinions and being like, well, you shouldn't do that,
and you should do this, and blah blah blah blah blah.
And even Zach to the camera in this episode, like
when he's talking to the family, he's trying to play
it off like, well, I didn't think it was a
big of a deal, and like I wasn't being that
judgmental or rude, and I thought we worked everything out.
But to the camera Zach does admit basically that he
was having an issue with this and having an issue
with Amber being present. He said something like Amber is
a new believer or whatever.
Speaker 1: And wants to get baptized.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he didn't think that this was good for her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the emphasis wasn't so much on Amber as
it was on the fact that this is not something
that Lydia and I would ever want to do, So
why are you guys doing it? It makes us feel unwelcome,
So he does mention Amber, but the bigger issue is
that they're not actually catering to what Zach wants exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the underlying thing. And the family gets
to that, you know, Like we start off talking about
their opinions and their criticisms, but really it is Zach
wants everybody to accommodate to him in Lydia's lifestyles. And
he talks about it a little bit. He's like, well,
you guys know that me and Lydia wouldn't do these
things and wouldn't participate with these card games and wouldn't
watch these TV shows or listen to this music, So
like why do you do it? It's like, well, you
can't expect everybody to cater to your lifestyle and to
your belief system. Like that is so unfair, it's so ridiculous.
Everybody can live their own life. And Kim d just
tried to express this a little bit. She's like, we're
all adults. We're a big family, we have a lot
of personalities, and we're all adults. Like, we're all going
to live our own lives.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I've got alcohol in my house that doesn't drink it.
You have to drink it like we can all exist
in our own way and respect each other, Like that's
kind of what we want to do. I do want
to say that I was happy to see that Ethan
approached this conversation with a level head. He did not
raise his voice, He wasn't threatening in his stance, which
he has been known to do and like do some
like rage, push ups and throw shit around, Like he
wasn't doing any of that. He seemed super calm and
like he did actually want to resolve it, if not
to be closer to Zach, certainly for Lydia's benefit, like
he wants to maintain that relationship with Lydia, and he
acted accordingly. I really liked seeing that he too, actually,
but I don't think that Lydia and Zach even picked
up on that because in the moment they felt so attacked,
and you could really see with Lydia she has no
communication skills whatsoever. She was feeling so much. And season
after season we've seen this with somebody like Ethan, like
we see what he's feeling on his face, but he
doesn't say anything. You can see the same thing happening
with Lydia, like she knows what's happening. She knows why
it's happening, but in the moment, when pressed, when somebody
is actually asking her directly, like what are you feeling,
she cannot communicate at all. And so maybe that's why
Zack feels like he's got a step up and speak
for her. Or maybe after one year she's been trained
by Zack not just speak up and communicate and let
him do all the talking. I can believe that too.
Speaker 2: I could see that because I think Zach, like some
of the other previous Plath partners, I think they look
down on the Plath family and look down on these
Plath kids and be like, oh, well, you don't know
how to communicate your emotions effectively, so let me do
it for you. I could see something like that with
Zach and Lydia. I also think that Lydia is feeling
a lot of emotions, like not so much just about
feeling miss by her family or whatever, or feeling upset
that her family doesn't accept her weird fucking husband. But
I think she's also feeling like the effects of the divorce,
the effects of her mom being with a drunk and
being a drunk, the effects of Ethan making a fool
out of himself on her wedding night, the day before
her wedding, you know, ruining that special moment for her. Like,
I think she's feeling way too much. And I'm not
trying to like excuse Lydia's lack of communication here when
I say this. I just think that she's feeling a lot,
and that's why she's crying, and that's why she's.
Speaker 1: Overham by most Definitely, I'm not blaming her, no, no, no,
I just feel bad for her because, like this is
an opportunity for her to actually express herself and how
she feels, and she just utterly cannot do it.
Speaker 2: And I think that there are valid like reasons for
her to be angry at her family and like angry
at Kim, you know. I think that there's valid reasons
for her to be hurt by her family and to
want to have space and to feel even misunderstood by
her family. But I think that it's getting misconstrued into
this like weird, like judgmental thing, and I think that
Zach is taking that upon himself to misconstrue it, because
I think he judges the fuck out of everybody in
the family, and honestly, Lydia probably judges her family for
it too. I think I said something like last week,
I think Lydia can't really accept the fact that her
family's all fucked up and everybody has made mistakes and
everybody has completely changed their tune from the way she
was raised and the way that she was like brought
up to believe. And so I think that she probably
has some deep seated resentment, which again all fair and valid,
because her family really has done a complete one to
eighty since even from season one when we met them
and they were Hitler Youth Christian Nation, and now we
have this like completely turned around. Everybody's divorced, people got tattoos,
everybody's drinking, you know, like it's a mess. And so
I think Lydia and Zach are judging the fuck out
of everybody. But the problem is with Zach making these
criticisms known and taking it upon himself as this freshly
married person and in this family he's only been in
it for a year to express these concerns to everybody
in such a judgmental, condescending way, like that's the problem,
and that's where everybody is like, Okay, dude, slow your
role right and we have Zach saying stupid things like, well,
but in order to hang out with the family, we
have to do things that we don't want to do.
And Ethan quips back and is like, well, but is
that on the host or is that on the guest?
Like maybe it's your own thing and you know the family.
Isaac Barry is like, well, you don't have to participate
in some of these things. You don't have to play
the card games, you don't have to listen to this music, Like,
it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: And Zach, your Lord and savior is Jesus. And Jesus
did a lot of things with a lot of people
that he didn't actually align with in terms of lifestyle.
He shared meals and evenings and time with ladies of
the night and with tax collectors and with people who
were actually looked down upon in society and who were
quote unquote sinners, like he did that all the time
as a demonstration of how we should treat our fellow man.
We should be companionable with them, whether we agree with
him or not, whether they live like us or not.
We should be able to love our neighbor as ourself
bitch ass so like this. This also doesn't align with
what you say you believe to be true, because Jesus
wasn't like that at all. Like if he was invited
and he went and he didn't sit there and judge
everybody if they asked him a question, I'm sure he was,
you know, he was a divine being or whatever, and
so he spoke from that place of divinity. But like,
I'm just like, this is not the way you go
around trying to influence friends and family members, Zach exactly.
Speaker 2: And it would be one thing if the family was
doing these like really horrible, heinous things.
Speaker 1: Orgie's in front of Amber.
Speaker 2: No, seriously, Like if they were doing such toxic, horrible stuff,
that would be one thing. But they're literally playing like
card games and having some wine like it's and it was.
Speaker 1: Like one game out of apparently many games according to Isaac,
and he's like, you don't have to play it. I
didn't really like the game either, But it's like not
the end of the world.
Speaker 2: It really isn't. And so that's why it's so ridiculous
to have Zach say something like, well, but this makes
us feel unwelcome, Like, dude, the real world, like people
aren't supposed to or expected to cater to you. Like,
that's just not how real life works, especially when you're
an adult, and when you're married to somebody, you can
choose not to participate with family members if they're making
you uncomfortable, Like, that's fine, that's your right to set
that boundary, but to like put it on them, well.
Speaker 1: And to make that equal being unwelcome exactly, Like, because
I live my life a certain way, that means I'm
not welcoming to you. That's crazy, that doesn't that doesn't
make any sense.
Speaker 2: That's warped. Yeah, And then to the camera, Zach says
something like the family claims to be following God, but
they're making bad decisions. And this is where we have
the producer asking a follow up question like, well, do
you mean, like the card games? Is that the bad
decisions you're referencing, And Zach cuts off the professor, the
professor the producer and says, no, no, no, let me finish.
So this is the first comment that we have from
Zach on air, which is pretty crazy of.
Speaker 1: Him being kind of rude, controlling and control, controlling the narrative,
controlling who speaks and when.
Speaker 2: Yep. And then this is where Zach follows up and says, well,
when they do things that make me and Lydia cringe,
we want to talk about it, so we should have
the right to talk about it. And I'm like, okay, dude,
mmmm all right.
Speaker 1: Hypocrisy.
Speaker 2: He's just constantly coming up with things to try and.
Speaker 1: Justice moving to gold posts eat all the time. It
comes down to just slower role, don't overstep. Just try
to be like, what is it congenial? Just a nice
person and a family so that they can get to
know you. Because Ethan is like I would like to
have a connection with you. I really like to get
to know you, but like I can't do that if
you keep overstepping and judging my family, that's just never
gonna happen. So stop doing that for real. It's simple.
Speaker 2: It's it's as simple as that, Like just know your place, dude.
And again, like I've been saying, like, give you one thing.
If you've been in this family and you've been established
for many, many years and you have a relationship with
all these people, but your brand new dude, new eight,
chill out, yes, gosh. And then this is where he
also oversteps when he talks about Amber because he brings
up like, well, I just don't think that it's appropriate
for Amber to be around this kind of stuff, and
it worries me. And this is where Barry. We hear
from him a little bit the passive boot Bob robot
passive or enlightened, I don't know. He says something like,
you know, he trusts Amber and if she's gonna make mistakes,
she should be allowed to and then we can talk
about it later, and like maybe Zach's overstepping here, And
we hear from Kim as well, saying like, you know,
I'm glad that Lydia and Zach are concerned about Amber.
I get it. I understand that they care about her.
But ultimately Kim and Barry are the parents and we'll
deal with that ourselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you're concerned about something that's happening in
ambers orbit, don't talk to Amber, don't talk to anybody else.
Talk to me, yep, because I'm Amber's mom.
Speaker 2: Period. And then we have Barry saying, you know, if
somebody doesn't ask for your.
Speaker 3: Opinion, don't give it.
Speaker 2: Just shut up, essentially, And we have a bunch of
people in the family saying that, and they're saying it
a lot nicer than how I'm paraphrasing. They're being like,
you know, just don't give your opinion, how unsolicited. We'll
ask if we want your advice, if we want your input,
we'll ask. But you don't need to be making these criticisms.
And again, like it's one thing to make like a
general observation or to share an opinion a little bit,
but like the way that Zach is going about it
is he is basically trying to tell people what to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, from a place of moral authority.
Speaker 2: Yeap. And then we hear from Lydia and Zach to
the camera like Lydia cries about it and Zack tears up,
and Lydia's like, well, I just wish that they would
understand where Zach is coming from because he may not
get everything right, but he's got a perfect heart.
Speaker 1: He's got perfect intentions, does he?
Speaker 2: And this is what I hate about them and I
hate about Zach is that they are trying to twist
this in a way where he is only coming from
good intentions.
Speaker 1: And what's the saying, like intention versus impact, So you
can have the right intention and your heart can be
perfect like the sacred heart of Jesus, right, But that
doesn't negate the impact of what it is that you're
doing and how that affects other people.
Speaker 2: That so it really doesn't matter if you have good intentions.
This isn't appropriate.
Speaker 1: The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Speaker 2: Facts. And I actually found a comment on Instagram that
I wanted to read out because I thought it was
really poignant. It was underneath the TLC's post of the
season finale clip and it came from user Martita eight
nine three four, and she says, many married couples, including
my husband and I, have formed opinions about each other's families.
We understand the importance of tact and discretion when it
comes to sharing our thoughts. My husband would never voice
his opinions about my family directly to them, and I
would do the same regarding his family. And I think
that's the issue here with Zach. It's like, dude, you
guys can talk about this like you can have your
own judgments and criticism of the family.
Speaker 1: That's fine. Yay's normal.
Speaker 2: That's totally normal, especially in the confines of a marriage.
We get it. But you don't need to be coming
out here hot and making these criticisms and judgments publicly
to the family, to members of the family, and then
on podcasts, you know, or to the camera on a
TLC interview. I think that's the issue here that everybody
is having. And like Mariah said last week, it'd be
one thing if it was coming from Lydia, but at ain't.
It's coming from Zach. And so then we get into
a conversation about Tegan a little bit. We have Ethan.
I think, no, it's Lydia asking Ethan if he knew
that Zach had heard things about Teagan and that that
was why he came up to him. When when Ethan
was working on his plymouth.
Speaker 1: She said it even harder than that. She's like, Ethan,
I don't know if you know, but like a lot
of people were saying things to Zach about Teagan, you know,
he wanted to approach you directly, which and I texted
Beatrice this, I'm like, that's a little bit mean girl
to me, because Teagan is sitting right there, and what
you are admitting is that the whole family has been
gossiping about her so much so that Zach has heard
about it, which is why he sought fit to say
something to Ethan. So that's gonna make Teagan feel really
bad sitting there with this family in that moment. I'm like, Lydia,
So are you trying to deflect by calling out the
behavior of everybody else because your behavior is being called
out in this moment? Yeah, are you trying to make
Teagan feel bad?
Speaker 2: I think so and othered and I think she is
trying to again spin this as like, well, but Zach
had good intentions because he heard all these things, these
horrible things, allegedly.
Speaker 1: That he didn't want to participate, although he did, he
did in the moment participated, and that's why he went
to talk to you Ethan.
Speaker 2: And Ethan's like, yeah, no, I appreciate your concerns, but again,
keep that shit to yourself, keep your opinions to yourself.
And then we hear from Zach and Ethan to the camera.
You know, Zach says something like, well, I I never
gave my opinion though.
Speaker 1: I was just.
Speaker 2: Sharing what I had heard and expressing some concerns, but
I didn't give my opinion.
Speaker 1: People had been saying that Teagan was terrible, that's what
he said to me camera.
Speaker 2: Terrible, and that she had done so many terrible things
to Ethan, and so he wanted to understand why Ethan
chose to continue to be with her, to continue to
talk to her.
Speaker 1: But like, dude, again, you're also saying this on camera
though you're gonna you know that Teagan is gonna see that.
You know that it's gonna go out on the airwaves.
Like that's also kind of cruel when you think about it.
Tigan has never done anything to Zach, doesn't know you,
but every single time that she's been around you, You've
admitted it yourself. She's been nothing but pleasant to you. Yeah,
and you're okay to say this like on camera, like ooh.
Speaker 2: And we hear from Ethan on camera saying that that
day when he was working on the Plymouth, Zach actually
took him aside, and I think he was like implying
that this was off camera, that Zach had some concerns
about Ethan and Tegan's relationship, and one of those concerns
was Teagan's daughter. And Ethan says, you know, Teagan's daughter
is the best thing that ever happened to her, Like
she's not an issue, and so to even bring her
to this conversation is really fucked up and lame. And
obviously I'm paraphrasing, but Ethan's like, you know, Zach's just
being extremely judgmental, and I'm thinking that Zach was judging
the fact that she had a kid out of wedlock
and that this is ungodly or whatever, and Ethan shouldn't
be with a woman who's got a child out a wedlock.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, fuck, yeah, took you all the way
and fuck you forever.
Speaker 2: Fuck you forever, like that's not Christian of you whatsoever.
I'm a kid that was born weren't out of wedlock.
My mom married my dad when I was two, and
my dad took me in and has always treated me
like his own daughter. I will always love him for that.
But I remember, like there were some members of the family,
there were some members of our church that kind of
looked at us a little bit differently and looked at
me differently because I was a kid that was out
of wedlock. And obviously now I'm an adult and I
look at those people, I'm like, fuck you, right, like whatever,
But it's heartbreaking for but it's so lame and it's
so disgusting. It's such disgusting behavior, because I look at
what my dad did as super godly like him just
taking in a kid that wasn't his and treating me
like I was his. And he still to this day
treats me like I'm his daughter.
Speaker 1: Whatever. Furthermore, let's look at Joseph, the father of Jesus,
that the foster father of Jesus. Mary gets knocked up
by God and everything, it's an immaculate conception, but Joseph
loves her anyway. Joseph takes her in, protects her, raises
Jesus as his own son, teaches Jesus his traits, that
Jesus could become a carpenter just like him. Like that
was the example of Saint Joseph. And here you are,
Zach out here essentially putting down what the father of
the Christ did, right because Teagan has a child and
Ethan is trying to help or wants to be with Teagan,
wants to support the kid, Like that's gross anti Christ.
It's so gross, it's Antichrist totally.
Speaker 2: And we actually got a comment, I think, on Patreon
because we had heard from somebody in the family last
week about how Zach thought Teagan was.
Speaker 1: Financial like taking financial.
Speaker 2: Advantage of Ethan, okay, and we had asked, like what
that was about, if anybody had any theories. Somebody commented
saying that Ethan paid for like a transmission repair or
something on Teagan's car, And obviously that's not cheap. But
Teagan had been doing the majority of the driving right
when he was living in Minnesota and she was living
in Wisconsin, and so of course he's gonna pay for
her transmission repair because she's a single mom and needs
a car, and he's a car guy, so he's probably like, yeah,
I'll take care of it, or I'll pay for the parts,
or I know a guy who can fix it for you. Like,
and if that's what Zach is referencing, as you know,
Teagan taking advantage of Ethan financially, Like, dude, fuck you
fuck out of here. Yes, you're so judgmental. Keep your
opinions to yourself.
Speaker 1: You are literally the reason people don't become Christian for
real though, you're really an anti testimony to Christianity, and
like you should really look at yourself if you were
interested in spreading the Gospel, which is like what Christians
are supposed to do, Like you're doing it all wrong.
By being such a judgmental piece of crap.
Speaker 2: And like nobody cares that you had good intentions, because again,
it's the delivery, it's the impact of those quote unquote intentions,
and it's the inherent judgment that you have over everybody
around you, like, shut up, you're not saintly to their kid. Jeez.
And so then we have Zach, of course, crying to
the camera about what do we have to do. I
just want to be your brother.
Speaker 1: Do I have to wrestle with them? Because I would
really love to wrestle with them.
Speaker 2: I would really love to feel their boss.
Speaker 1: That would actually be awesome to feel that I have
to do, Like, I will totally do that though.
Speaker 2: I will gladly wrestle these these cowboys. Please. Yeah, So
I just don't feel bad for you. Like we had
saw this preview at the beginning of the season, I
was thinking like, oh, okay, maybe the Plath Boys have
done some more.
Speaker 1: Fun shit because targetting another significant other.
Speaker 2: Right, because last season was terrible. You know, the Plath
Boys definitely acted a fool. They were assholes, they were mean,
they were bullying. But this year we're getting some more
context and we're seeing that Zach's a piece of shit,
so I really just don't feel bad for him on
and then we have him moving the gold posts yet again,
where he brings up something like, well, it feels like
we're pulling teeth having to have you guys come and
visit us, like we never see you. You never come
and visit. We're only forty five minutes away, and we
feel like we're making all this effort and you guys
don't come over, like okay, So again we're making this
another issue where you guys are the victim. And we
have Kim and Isaac both saying like, no, we come
over whenever we have free time, and Kim says like
I brought you cheese cake for your birthday, and I
came over to fix your car or whatever, and I
came over to help Lydia with such and such, like
I come over all the time. Don't put that on us,
like we're not coming over and making you feel welcome,
And Zach, I think, says to the camera like Lydia
just doesn't feel seen, and you know, she just feels
like abandoned and isolated from her family, and so I'm
trying to defend her, like.
Speaker 1: No, you're not. You're trying to make her believe that
so she feels isolated from her family, so that you
can squirrel her away to Colorado several months later where
she's not gonna have access to her family. A family
which I actually, I really think they love Lydia.
Speaker 2: I think they love each other in general. They do,
even though they are dysfunctional. Every single family has dysfunction,
by the way, Like, no family is fucking perfect. I'm
sure that there's like a few here and there that
have really balanced, healthy families and stuff, But for the
most part, every family's got some kind of tension, some
kind of dysfunction. So the Plaths aren't perfect, okay, yes,
but they love each other, So I believe that. I
believe that too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Kim is fundamentally broken, yes, and
she doesn't know how to show love. But I think
deep down in there she does love them. And I
think Barry is probably neurodivergent and doesn't necessarily know how
to express himself like you know, ninety nine percent of
the rest of the population does or whatever, But like
that doesn't mean he doesn't love his kids. I think
he does love his kids, and when He's talking about
Amber being able to make her own mistakes and like,
when she does, I'm gonna be here for her. I
believe that. I think he loves his children. These are actually,
deep down these parents love their kids and support their kids.
I mean, they didn't do everything right, and I'm not
going to go off on a dungein, but like, fuck you, Zach,
you don't know Dick, And he actually says something like that, like, well,
I really wasn't around for what happened with Joshua was
I was not around for what this family has been through.
He wanted to comment, though he did, and I think
when he said that he was coming.
Speaker 2: For Kim and wanted to criticize her.
Speaker 1: He was trying to criticize Kim and what kind of
parents she was and he was gonna say something more
and he's like, let me just stop. I wasn't there, Okay,
then you shouldn't have said anything.
Speaker 2: Then you shouldn't have said she it And again, like
I go back to that comment, like it's fine to
make your own assessments of the family and how they
handle things or whatever is a spouse, Like that's normal
and fine, but you fucked up when you made it known, basically,
and you felt the need to say these things to
everybody else, like you're some You're on some pedestal. I
think that they think they're above the rest of the
family too, indeed, And I'm sure because they got married
and they were both virgins and you know they're godly
and everybody else is divorced and drinking and partying.
Speaker 1: Talk to me in ten to fifteen years, Lydia.
Speaker 2: No for real or five? And I'm like, how long
is this marriage even going to last?
Speaker 1: What is he doing with his life? He hasn't been
to university. He doesn't have a degree. Now that everybody does.
I don't have a degree or whatever, but like I'm
married very well, but anyway, but like, what does he
do with his life? How is he supporting? Lydia? Lydia,
what are you doing? I know you went back to Colorado,
but are you going to be a barista? What are
your plans? Is it just to love Jesus forever? Like
to live with your parents? What's your family?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I would love to get a glimpse into Zach's nuclear
family and those weirdos in fucking Colorado because they can
guarantee you they're probably wealthy, they're probably elitist, and they're
probably evangelical Christians, and I would probably hate them. But
maybe I'm maybe I'm judging.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe, but they I feel like they're
probably just as judgmental.
Speaker 1: If Zach is a byproduct, then yeah, there's something wrong
in that family. And if we had a camera on
the family the entire time, we'd learn a lot there too.
And we judge you, Zach, how would that feel when
we're judging your mama and your daddy and your siblings?
Because I would love to do it.
Speaker 2: But we have good intentions though, Yeah, sorry about the impact.
Yeah we have perfect hearts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially us, Yes, for sure.
Speaker 2: Sorry if you don't understand. Oh, and so then we
have Lydia saying at the end of this that she
doesn't know how to include themselves in the family, which
doesn't really make sense, and Kim pipes up and is like, well,
how would you like for us to include you? How
would you like for us to make you feel welcomed
in the family, And even Ethan echoes this, and Isaac
goes this, and Zach's like, well, we're bonfires would be great.
More time at the farm more little activities or whatever.
Speaker 1: I just have the impression that nobody's keeping them from
the farm from activities. And furthermore, Kim asked Lydia that question,
and Zach, you're answering for her, like what do you
need from your mom, Lydia, Like what would you like
to do in terms of experiences with your mom and
the rest of your family, Like what do you need?
Because it's Lydia that is the injured party here, and
she has every right, yeah, by the way, to feel injured,
because I think she was injured, she was parentified. We
won't go into all of the things, but like they
took advantage badly of Lydia, and she has every right
to have a grievance against her family and against her parents,
and so like that's a question for Lydia exactly, it
is not a question for Zach.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the issue is that Lydia doesn't
really know at this point in time, like what she needs,
what she wants from her family. And I totally get that,
Like she's at this age where she's like going out
into her own and she's coming into adulthood. Her frontal
lobe is developing and she's reflecting back on her childhood
and reflecting back on her parents, and reflecting back on
the complete breakdown of her family, and it's probably bringing
up so much for her that she doesn't really know
how to deal with and know how to articulate. But
go to fucking therapy. Stop like unloading all of these
things under your husband and then making him. It seems
like she's making him do a lot of the dirty work,
or maybe he feels like he should do the communication
and talking for Lydia because he doesn't think that she's capable.
Speaker 1: If Yeah, and that's where it's hard, because he's defending her,
but about what you know, like she doesn't know what.
Speaker 2: She needs or what she wants from the family. So yeah,
we end the intervention with the majority of the family
feeling like it was a productive conversation and that they
made some ground, and Zach and Lydia to the family
are giving this like, well, yeah, thanks for talking to
us about.
Speaker 1: This, totally respect her, I'm going to respect your wishes.
Thanks for the convo.
Speaker 2: Good doc. But to the camera, they're crying to the
viewers about how they feel misunderstood and how the family
just doesn't get them and doesn't understand that they had
good intentions and that they just have to shut up.
I guess I guess this means that we're just not
gonna say anything, and that me, Zach, I don't have
a voice in this family.
Speaker 1: It's such a victim shut up, like, oh.
Speaker 2: Give me a break. And so then we break off
into these little chats with the rest of the family
while we start getting things ready for Zach Lydia's surprise
annivers anniversary party. We have Zach talking to Barry a
little bit, and you know Barry again, he's just kind
of weird dude, like the way that he expresses himself
and talks about things like he's just an oddball. This
is where he's like, yeah, now, you know, not to
export your opinions into lens that don't want to import
yuh yukiyah. Yeah, I just can't. He doesn't seem like
he's the kind of person that can have like a
serious conversation where you're not making everything into a joke.
And Zach's like, yeah, I'm glad that they brought up
their concerns and that he acknowledges that he can sometimes overstep.
He says this to Barry, but then to the camera
he's like, no, it was all valid. Yeah, it's coming
from a good place.
Speaker 1: Well, and I don't know if I'm skipping ahead, but like,
at some point, doesn't Zach say something like, well, the
stuff with Teaken and what I knew about her and
everything I heard, Like, I'm I can't apologize for speaking
up about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't own the fact or I can't own
being wrong to that. Yeah, it is what he says.
Speaker 1: He's not sorry. No, he doesn't respect anything anybody's saying.
In fact, he's he's incurred and narcissistic injury totally, like
he's completely bowled over by the fact that he's getting
this criticism. He cannot believe it.
Speaker 2: It's really messed up. And I wonder what the family
feels like watching this back, yes and seeing what they
said privately, Yeah, I would be because this is so stupid.
And we have Ethan kind of talking with Teagan and
also talking to the camera. He feels bad for Lydia
and feels bad about the situation, but feels like it
needed to be said. Sure, it needed to be addressed.
He says to the camera that he is trying to
be empathetic, and he also reflects on his relationship a
little bit with Teagan about how he probably shouldn't have
jumped into a serious relationship right after getting divorced, or
leaving Lydia, or leaving Olivia. And I think that that's
actually an interesting point of self reflection for him. It's
honestly encouraging to me that maybe therapy is working for him.
And I hope he continues with that.
Speaker 1: He needs it so badly, he.
Speaker 2: Really really needs it, and he's right, he shouldn't have
jumped into a serious relationship after Olivia. He should have
spent a little time alone dealing with that.
Speaker 1: Agreed.
Speaker 2: Then we have Zach talking with Kim while she checks
the mail on the couch and.
Speaker 1: Before such a weird conversation, Beatrice like why.
Speaker 2: This was bazarre. So they're talking about how the family
is going to sit down and talk about Joshua. This
is going to be a private, little discussion and it's
mainly for Lydia, and like Kim knows that, she kind
of acknowledges that, and Zach says, yeah, I think it's
really awesome that you're going to talk about the death
of your child. I think it's really great, and you know,
Lydia is like fucking pumped. Lydia is so excited for it.
Let's go, let's go, let's talk about her. It's so bizarre.
And so he's saying this to Kim, and Kim to
the camera's like, yeah, I don't know if excited is
the word that I would use for that. It's like,
but whatever, it's fine. You know, I know that Lydia
needs this. And Kim tells Zach that, you know, I'm
always going to be a parent that lost a child
like I don't. There's no amount of therapy, there's no
amount of crying, there's no amount of praying yep, that
will get rid of that. I'm just going to have
to accept the fact that I will always carry this
and I will always live with this. And Zach's like, yeah,
that's great, that's awesome. Oh god, And I hate that
he says that it's such a church bro. Totally.
Speaker 1: He's such a church bro dude.
Speaker 2: I hate It's cringe.
Speaker 1: He does not know how to meet people where they are.
And granted he's very young, sure heyes.
Speaker 2: I go, he's like twenty four, he's.
Speaker 1: Not developed or anything, but like don't pretend to be
then take on the role of like the kid in
the situation, Like you don't have to be there as
some sort of counselor for Kim. She's fifty something years old,
she's lost a fucking child. Yeah, just shut up a
little bit, just say hey, I'm here for you, like,
really appreciate that this is happening. I know it means
a lot for Lydia, and I'm really just so happy
to be here.
Speaker 2: Get shut up, just shut up, Just be like, thank
you for talking to her about it, because it means
a lot all I has to do. He doesn't know
how to be like an observer, Like he doesn't know
how to just sit back and just watch the family
and like you had said, let people meet people where
they're at. He just always feels the need to be like, no,
but I'm I'm Godly.
Speaker 1: I'm approving of your actions here today as it concern
is talking about your dead child. God good morus love
that for you.
Speaker 2: And then we hear from Lydia in her talking head
saying something like, you know, I've given up on trying
to make all of these relationships work. So whether or not,
my mom and Zach get along like that's up to them.
I've just given up.
Speaker 1: Good, drop the rope. It's not your responsibility anyway.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't need that anxiety.
Speaker 2: You're harming yourself more than anything by trying or feeling
the need to manage it. And I think that comes
from her parentified upbringing of like feeling like she's got
to manage the family and manage the emotions of everybody.
I get it, girl, go to therapy though. For real,
you're the eldest daughters, so you get that.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a hard road, but you got to
learn to drop the rope and stop people pleasing because
it's not your job. And then Zach to the camera
says he doesn't understand Kim at all, doesn't know how
she operates, doesn't get.
Speaker 1: It in the context of the conversation that they're having
about Joshua. Yeah, So as a viewer, I'm left to
deduce that you are being critical of Kim in this
moment about how she's expressing herself as it concerns her
deceased child. You absolute piece of crap, And I.
Speaker 2: Just don't get that, Like, how can you claim that
you have good intentions, but then you're gonna say, I
just don't understand how she operates, and like, I get it.
You know, Kim is coming off kind of disconnected.
Speaker 1: That's Kim though, but that's disassociated. And she lost her
child because she ran over her own child.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. She's got fucking peety.
Speaker 1: She's doing the very best that she can, trying to
have a moment with her family and be available like
in a way that she doesn't she's not equipped to
do it. She's knowing the best, I believe the best
that she can in this moment, and we don't need
u ZAC to sit in judgment is some sort of
arbiter of what's good enough regarding the death of her child, Like,
get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2: He's totally acting like an immature, like teenager, like thinking
like I know everything, I've got it all figured out. Like, dude,
you don't got anything figured.
Speaker 1: Out, nor a job. You don't got a job either.
Speaker 2: Facts, you're not an adult.
Speaker 1: No, Like you're living off of the largest of your wife,
the one that you constantly need to interrupt or put
in her place. She's the one who's got the paycheck
because she's on TLC in this show, in this family
that you're here to criticize she's the one who's subsidizing
your whole life, exactly.
Speaker 2: And then Kim wonders to the camera like, I wonder
what Zach even needs to feel accepted. I hope that
I can provide for that for him eventually, but I
don't even know what he needs to feel like he's
a part of the family because we're trying. We're trying
to make him feel welcome.
Speaker 1: He needs to be the patriarch, exactly, and you're not
gonna be.
Speaker 2: You've got the older Plath boys that are older than you.
Speaker 1: They don't kick your ass.
Speaker 2: You move to Colorado, and that's exactly what he does.
And Zach says, Lydia has tried very hard for many
years to feel seen by Kim, and this is where
you had said, uh that he tried to criticize her
a little bit. But then says like, oh, no, I'll
just shut up because I wasn't there. I don't know
the whole situation. I'm just coming here to defend my wife.
And this is the only point in the whole episode
where Zach says something like actually, good, reasonable, reasonable, that's
your role, that should be your only role is to
defend your wife and just let her handle it. And
you weren't there, dude, you don't know, so shut up.
You only know Lydia's perspective. And again, like her feelings
and stuff are valid and whatever, but like you don't
need to judge or base your whole like perception of
the family based off of one perspective. Like, shut up.
So then we have Barry and the kids and Kim
h sitting down to talk about Joshua a little bit.
And I thought that this overall like was kind of sweet, Yes,
And I think that Kim was doing her best in
this moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they all were.
Speaker 2: Her ability, Like, she's not perfect. Again, she's kind of
a disconnected person, but she was really doing her best
to just kind of show up for the family.
Speaker 1: And she also went into it willing to go over
the play by play yep, like the exact thing that
happened according to everybody who was there and even herself.
This is something that I think gives her PTSD. Yes,
that she does not want to talk about and doesn't
have the words for, but she's showing up to do
exactly that. If the kids need it. Thankfully, none of
the kids wanted to talk about that or brought it up,
so she didn't have to do that. But the fact
that she's willing to do that, we have to credit
Kim for that. I don't think it was just for
the cameras. I think she was wanting to bring the
family together in this moment in a very earnest way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she says, like all of this was brought
on by Lydia talking about it publicly, and obviously that
wasn't the best way to go about things. I agree,
but that's what Kim said. She said, obviously this isn't
the best way to go about things, but I'm glad
that we can at least talk about it. And I
think it's good that Lydia was the one to kind
of start this because we needed to talk about it
as a family. And you know, while they're discussing Joshua there,
all of them, they're just wanting to talk about his
life and like how he was as a little baby,
and his personality sounded so cute, so cute, and how
he called ducks gucks and he's a sweet baby, and
you know, Kim acknowledges the couple kids that didn't get
to meet Joshua, and so she brings out these little
rubber duckies for them, which I thought was really adorable
and sweet. And that must have been really hard for
Kim to do, and I'm glad that she was able
to do that for the kids. And Lydia pipes up
and says, you know, I just want to acknowledge him
more because we always talk about how there's nine of us, valid,
totally valid, that there's nine of us and there's three brothers,
but actually there's ten of us and four brothers.
Speaker 1: And just in this season, it was Barry on his
weird date who said I have nine kids. No, you've
got ten kids.
Speaker 2: You've got ten kids, dude. And I think that that
is completely fair and valid. And it seems like that's
really all Lydia wanted was just to acknowledge the fact
that there is ten of us. We do have another brother.
He's in heaven right now, and that's all that she needed.
And I think Kim's like, we can do that. And
we have Ethan and Isaac and Mariah kind of talking
about their memories about Joshua and how they would ride
around with him in a little wagon, which was really cute.
And Kim also recounts like some of the memories of
watching the kids play with Joshua, which again must have
been really hard for her to do. But I think
that that's really sweet. And like the thing is is
like grief is really complicated. There's lots of things that
go into it, and it's a very internal thing. But
sometimes you do have to talk about it. Sometimes you
do have to acknowledge it. Feeling is the secret, and
you do have to move.
Speaker 1: Through that to move I know you did not just
quote Neville did to me. I've quoted Neville.
Speaker 2: God feeling it's the secret.
Speaker 1: So it's my girl right there.
Speaker 2: And my therapist has been telling me this too, like,
you know, you have to be able to deal with
these emotions. You have to be able to feel them
even when they're fucking hard.
Speaker 1: The is through.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and so I think that that's what we're seeing
here with the family, like they're trying to feel the
good stuff. And Mariah says, you know, you can't really
get stuck in the grief, like you have to be
able to like acknowledge the good and that's a hard
thing to do. It's a process it's a lifelong process.
But I think overall this was sweet for them to
talk about Joshua acknowledge him. Kim asks Barry how he's doing,
which I love.
Speaker 1: I love that, Like in this moment, I mean, maybe
I'm being duped.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm like buying it. Maybe this is I don't thinker,
but like I'm buying it. And in the moment when
she's like, Barry, how are you doing? Are you okay?
I was like, thanks, Kim, because Barry is probably always
in the background because he doesn't offer himself up because
he doesn't really know how to communicate. But I thought
that was great and then he answered her he does.
I think Barry, it's the best he can do. Beatrice.
Speaker 2: I know he's such a matter of fact person, like
he's not very emotional at all. It would be really
nice to see just like a little crack.
Speaker 1: It'd be nice to know his signs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to know like how he deals with things. It's
giving Virgo, it's giving major Earth sign like Virgo, maybe
Capricorn and there or something very very stoic. And for me,
that's always been hard for me to understand in other
people because I'm somebody that's very emotional, like I wear
my heart on my sleeve. I can't help it, like
you're gonna see my emotions just kind of weep out
of me. But I think it was nice that Kim
asked him how he was doing, because I'm zooming out
of the meta of it. And Barry really did have
to put himself in the background, because obviously this was
something that Kim did. This was at the hands of her.
She lost a child while also pregnant, like her emotions
took the front, and the emotions of the kids took
the front. And So even though I shit on Barry
for being like a robot and for being super passive,
the strength that you would have to have to be
the patriarch and to be like, Okay, well, I still
got to make the money, though, I still got to
support the family financially and all of this stuff. I
also have to support my wife and defend her tooth
and nail. He has always defended her, Yes, he has
never blamed her for this, and that's a hard fucking
thing to do.
Speaker 1: I think most marriages, I mean, if not almost all
of them would have fallen apart one spouse running over
a child.
Speaker 2: And resenting that for and so the fact that he's
never done that, he has always just put himself in
the back burner. I think that that's really commendable. But
after Kim asks Barry how he's doing, then we have
Mariah asking Kim how she's doing. Yeah, well, mom, like
we're talking about all this, like how are you doing.
Kim's like I'm okay, Like I can, I can handle this.
And then we have Lydia telling Kim, you know, I think,
like every time I think about it, about the strength
that you had to keep on and keep raising us
after losing a child, Like I just can't believe it.
You're so strong. And that got me in my heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was wonderful. Thank you, Lydia.
Speaker 2: That got me in my heart.
Speaker 1: That's Christianity, that is Christian's love.
Speaker 2: And that's also maturity. Maturity to look at your parents
as a human being, because that's like a marker. I
feel like that's a it's a coming of age thing
where you grow up and you realize, like, man, my
parents fucked up a lot. They did some things wrong,
they hurt my feelings or whatever, but at the same time,
like they were just this is their first time doing
it too, and you have to accept that and then
you have emotion and empathy for everything that they went through.
Speaker 1: Can I just share that moment for me with my mother.
I was a teenager actually, and we were hanging out
in the living room and I just happened to notice
that she had painted her nails and that they were
like a little chipped or whatever. And I had never
acknowledged that my mother cared about her nails, painted her nails,
how my mother dressed. I had only until that moment,
really interacted with my mother as somebody who was in
a role as it related to me. And it was
like this opening up in my consciousness, this epiphany of like, oh,
mom wants to be pretty. Mom's a woman's mom is pretty,
you know. And then it got me thinking about my
mom and how she was in a relationship with my
bitch ass dad and like all the things I knew
about that as a child in a very dysfunctional, abusive situation,
and like how that would impact a woman who wants
to be pretty and loved by her husband. Like I
just it was such an overwhelming moment of recognition and
understanding and sadness for a woman who's just a person
and is probably doing the best she can fucking do
to just make sure I graduate from high school, which
I barely did graduate from high school, and make it
in my life and like launch me into the world,
like she was doing all that she could, and I
just remember, like the grooves in her nails. I remember
the grooves in her nails, and I'm like, oh, you're
a person like me.
Speaker 2: It's so funny how like such a small thing like
that can unlock such.
Speaker 1: A big understanding.
Speaker 2: Understanding and epiphany, and like it really is a marker
of maturity to be able to look at your parents
like that, and some people never get past that, Like
some people still look at their parents as like they
were so fucking evil and terrible, and some parents aren't. Okay,
Like some parents are terrible, but not all of them are,
and every parent makes mistakes, and it's one of those
things that you just have to come to terms with
as an adult. As a young person, it's just a
human being like that, we're all on this journey together.
Speaker 1: It actually makes it easier for you because then, like
when you see them as just another human being on
the path, it's easier to forgive.
Speaker 2: That it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just like, Okay, well, mom was doing the
best that she could. She didn't get it all right,
and my dad was a bitch as or whatever, but
like he was just a human being too, was an
addict or whatever. Like it helps you to contextualize everything
and forgive them. And so in this conversation with Lydia
bringing it back to the show and the rest of
the kids, it's just this utterly human moment between all
of them where they can see each other, yeah, who
they are now as adults or like they're almost adults,
these little er kids, And I just felt like, ooh, poignant.
Speaker 2: And I do really love how all of the Plath
kids seem to have this common understanding that their mom
went through this horrible tragedy and that she did the
best that she could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if she was a piece of shit down
to her core, there would be a few kids in
that circle who would be like, fuck you, mom, I'm
not buying anything you're saying right now. But no, they're
all there authentically in the moment, living their mom yeah,
and their.
Speaker 2: Dad and loving them for dealing with that and going
through that. So I think that that's beautiful. And then
after that they go out to the farm and pull
out the bench where they etched Joshua's name, and they
all like etched a part of a letter or the
full letter of Joshua's name together, so that way it
was a collective thing. But Mike is not there, and
I just have to wonder why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is like kind of a big moment.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's kind of shitty, low key to
not be there for something like this, But maybe he
didn't know that they're doing.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give Mike a grace. He showed up
for the big scene with the cameras when they went
to the grave with Olivia having attnchrument the van. He's
shown hup for everything. He had a terrible season last
year where he was literally abused by a woman on camera,
and he needs to take a breath, and I think
that's okay. And I do think he's going to make
it back up to the farm and he's going to
have his moment private doing whatever he wants to do
with that bench. And I think that that's perfectly okay.
I get it actually with Micah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think like, in the context of the show,
like not wanting to do it on camera. I think
is fair and valid, and like, you know, Joseanna's not there.
She has not been yep on this season at all.
I wonder if she even has contact with the family,
she even talks.
Speaker 1: I feel like she does. I feel like from what
I have picked up in the zeitgeist that she does
she just doesn't want to be public. And I think
she's got like a persona and a role in her church.
I think she's a traveling musician with her husband, who
is a Christian traveling musician. So like she's got a
whole like reputation she's got to preserve and she can't
get in the fucking mud with these blasts doing all
this shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy family, So I get it. And so while
they're doing the bench thing, we have poor Tagan who's
sandwiched on the couch between Ken and Zach.
Speaker 1: But You're glad you came to Kroe.
Speaker 2: And Tegan's like this is weird and awkward, Like I
don't have anything to say to Zach. I don't want
to talk to him. I'm not going to talk to him.
So I'm just gonna sit here with the producers and
Ken talking about their dog. God, poor girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a very awkward turtle, super awkward.
Speaker 2: But she's beautiful though her dress, I think she's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Her interstitials with those weird eyelash eyelashes very much of
an Your vibration is a choice it she looks great.
Speaker 2: I think so. While she's sitting next to Tea, not
to Tea, And while she's sitting next to Zach and Ken,
we hear from her on the camera saying something like, yeah,
I have nothing no interest in talking to Zach. What
did she say say? Oh, she said something like, Zach
and Lydia feel like they're ostracized, but that's not true,
Like they're not excluded from the family whatsoever. I may
not be a part of the family, but I know
that they're included. So whatever they're saying is BSPs.
Speaker 1: And also, when they are included, they want to be
catered to.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: That so I can attest to the fact that they
are included. They are not excluded, but when they are included,
they want to be catered to.
Speaker 2: Yes. And in this moment on the couch, she's like,
I just don't want to dampen the mood of like
their anniversary because I know that that's kind of the
purpose of why we're here, and Zach and Lydia don't
know that that's part of the surprise and stuff. But like,
I'm just here to celebrate their one year or whatever,
and then I'm going to go back to Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Then I'm going to bounce and get myself a new
boyfriend and live my best life. Thank you very much
in advance.
Speaker 2: Bye. And so then after the bench signing and whatever,
they all come back inside. It starts raining. They were
going to do the whole celebration outside, so now they
have a change of plans, and Kim wants to decorate
the inside, but in order to keep it a surprise
from Zach and Lydia, she makes Mariah and Mercy take
them up to the attic and play the violin, which
is really weird with all of her horror bullshit up
there in the attic while downstairs they're getting everything ready,
and then they bring Zach and Lydia down and they
sing happy anniversary to them, and Zach and Lydia pretend
to be happy about it, but like to the camera,
they're kind of like throwing these little backhanded comments of like, well,
I'm surprised that they were able to put something together
for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were very passive aggressive about it, like, yeah,
it's the one year anniversary of the worst day of
my life. But I guess this is fine.
Speaker 2: And to be fair, like they chose to do this
whole confrontation on this one year anniversary also, so it's
not really like the best. Sure, so I get it,
but also stop being judgmental hosts. Yeah, and it probably
wouldn't have been a problem. But whatever they like celebrate.
They drink some like weird drink that Kim made for them.
I'm assuming it's not alcoholic.
Speaker 1: He's probably with her juicer.
Speaker 2: We gotta, you know, accommodate to the Christians who don't
drink wine or whatever. And they do a toast. Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The season finale Babes.
Speaker 2: Season finale, Kim talks about not being a perfect parent,
but she's trying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's learning.
Speaker 2: We're all on a journey.
Speaker 1: Barry is encouraged, like we've had a little bumps in
the road, but we're a family. We're gonna move on.
And then cut to fucking Zach and Lydia and he
looks pissed. He does look, this is where he cuts
off the producer, right, he cuts off Lydia.
Speaker 2: Cuts off Lydia. Where does he say? I have it?
In the notes here the Zach says he was amazed
they put in this effort, hopes next time the conflict
arises that he's not Missinger stood. The producer asks, how
can you ensure that there is no more misunderstanding? Lydia
starts to answer for him, and this is where Zach
cuts her off as just let me answer please.
Speaker 1: And it's the vibration he's in when he says it.
It's not like, hey, baby, let me fin actually let
me I got it. I have something to say. It's
my let me finish what I'm saying. Yes, no fucking talk.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: That was the vibration and the way his face looked stern.
Speaker 2: He was very stern. He looked down on her, and
you know, she laughs it off and tries to like
be lovey dovey with him. But he's not reciprocating that
energy with that.
Speaker 1: That at all, and he rarely does, especially when it's
like sexual stuff, yep, intimacy stuff. He's very stern. He's cold.
He's cold, and I thank you producers. I thank you
for showing this both of the instances where he cut
off the producer and then he cut off Lydia, and
we can see his actual nature and the energy he's
coming into this with. And he's not a nice person.
Speaker 2: I've been seeing these little moments the entire time we've
been seeing him, but it's like, you know, you couldn't
discern whether or not, like maybe this was editing or
maybe it was whatever. Now we know this is just
Zack's attitude and honestly, major red flags yea, And people
even on Reddit are calling it out.
Speaker 1: Thank god, thank you.
Speaker 2: People are seeing the light. Yeah, holy shit, because this
entire season, people on Reddit are l like, oh we
got Zag and Lydia. They're the outcasts, they're the villains.
They got to get away from the evil plass the
evil family. And now they're like, Lydia run right, you're
married to an asshole. But we can make subjectively true. Yeah,
and thank god production showed us what we sensed to
be true.
Speaker 1: And Lydia, you and danger girl.
Speaker 2: You and Danger girl.
Speaker 1: But you're young like I was when I was first
married at eighteen years old. I don't know what the
hell I was getting into and this is the saying
that we haven't what it's bumm by you learn. In
other words, later on, you're you're gonna learn. You'll know.
In four years, you'll realize what the hell you did wrong.
Bye bye, You'll learn. And Lydia, that's you, yep.
Speaker 2: And like the family, it seems like they have this
mentality of like, well, we'll just let you figure it out,
and we'll be here when you do figure it out.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: We'll still love you through it or whatever. And if
you don't want to talk to us for three years, okay, fine, Blake,
we'll be here yea. And I feel like I hope
that Lydia will realize it. I just worry because she's
so fucking naive and she's.
Speaker 1: Drinking the kool aide. She's in the trad wife pipeline.
She is very much so trying to be and maybe
was groomed to be by her own parents, a submissive
wife and a Christian relationship with a patriarchal dominant or
a man trying to be dominant who's not naturally dominant,
because you wouldn't know what that even feels or looks like.
And she's just a terrible dynamic in a relationship, and
I'm so I just you know, I just.
Speaker 2: Remember myself being dressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember myself at that age.
Speaker 4: I had no concept of hell truly beautiful.
Speaker 2: I was, how literally gorgeous, and.
Speaker 4: How smart and intelligent I was, and I was so
fucking funny, dude, Like I could have had anybody that
I wanted, but I was from such a fucked up
family that I under that I didn't know my own
worth or my own value, And like I went with
the first guy who showed me any attention and he's
I still know him, He's a good person or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I had no concept of self. And that is
what we're seeing with Lydia Plath. She has no concept
of herself outside of her identity as a Christian and
the system of belief that she's been caught up in
like the fucking borg, and outside of her relationship with
this guy, which is also related to the same system.
She does not know who she is. But let me
tell you, if things go the way that I hope
they do, at some point she'll be liberated from this
wet fucking blanket theater kid potentially gay person, and she'll
have some sort of sexual and consciousness liberation. She'll come
into her own she'll feel her own body, and she'll
have a great life. But like, actually, the odds are
kind of against her. And that's what's sad about this show.
That's what's sad about lydia Plath.
Speaker 2: To me, it's super sad, honestly. And like, now you're
stuck to a guy who's just like gonna be condescending.
Speaker 1: A fucking drip. Dude. Yep, he's probably got a non
penis penis. He certainly doesn't know how to use it.
Hopefully he would know how to use his tongue. But
with that doll mouth.
Speaker 2: I doubt it.
Speaker 1: Like, Honey, you seem excited by sex, but I bet
you have no idea how good it can fucking be
with the right partners.
Speaker 2: That ain't it. He's not it. Maybe he's good with
his fingers, because I doubt that little tongue can get anywhere, a.
Speaker 1: Little reptile tongue. Fuck, I just can't, dude.
Speaker 2: And I just hope that they like wait to have
kids for a while, Like I hope that.
Speaker 1: They're not going to. She already wants to. She's got
baby fever. Already, but he.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he can go Oh my god,
I I don't.
Speaker 1: Know if he can comfort all. Maybe if he closes
his eyes and things of Isaac, Oh.
Speaker 2: My god, or my a sidebar. Your daughter had read
off this like crazy Reddit post to me earlier today,
where this wife was saying while her and her husband
were having sex, her husband shouted out he didn't mean
to like it sounded like he was like thinking about
something fantasizing, but he ended up blurting out like, oh,
the sweet boy, pussy.
Speaker 1: Bussy.
Speaker 2: She was like, I don't know if I can have
sex with him ever again, or like be with him
ever again. Yeah, because he was obviously.
Speaker 1: He's envisioning pussy exactly.
Speaker 2: That's what I think with Zach anyway.
Speaker 1: What a tangled web we weave when we deceive ourselves
of who it is that we actually are when we're
gay and stuff. I know. Well, listen, let's end our
recap with a total score A grade if you will
for this season? What do you give it?
Speaker 2: See? Okay, middle of the row? Maybe C minus because
it was kind of boring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean on the heels of last season, which
was really to me. It was it was really great,
so fucking good. I was, like, I had such high hopes.
I thought we got the flavor of that, like woven
throughout the various episodes, but like, for the most part,
it wasn't really there. So I would agree I'd maybe
give it a C plus because we were introduced to
a new Plath family villain. Yeah, and some of this
stuff was interesting. What would I have liked to see?
I would have liked to see Micah I I I
my kingdom for Micah telling us who he truly is
and living his best life authentically as he truly is,
and just knowing like what he's going through, Like I
would have loved that. I really would have loved to
get more of a snapshot of Mariah and what's happening
in Montana, Like I'm working at a bar. Are there
cowboys there? Are they hot? Like are you dating? And
like what's going on? And what does your house look like?
You know, we don't really get a sense of what's
happening with Mariah. I would have loved that, but we
didn't get it, so yeah, C plus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I don't really care to watch Barry
date random.
Speaker 1: And it was too much of that bullshit. It was
too much, too much of like Kim and her juicer
and Kim and his jukebox and talking about.
Speaker 2: Her body, Like, why do we even talk about her body?
Speaker 1: Let us do that. Yeah, we don't need you doing that, Ken,
leave that to Beatrice and Delia. We've got that covered. Thanks.
Speaker 2: Why don't even talk about it if we're not gonna
like acknowledge her exercise routine or anything like that. We
saw her with a kettlebell, yeah, in a mini trampoline.
Speaker 1: Thanks, that was a time. Then we never mentioned it again, Like,
how do you have this big conversation about how I
will literally leave you? Yeah, because I think you're gonna
die due to fatness. And then we never talk about
it again at all, and she doesn't do anything about
it in the season. Yeah, I mean as it appears,
so like, what's going on with that? That seems like
a big thing to say.
Speaker 2: Dude, watch her get on a GOLP one when I
told you, yeah one hundred. This is setting up her
GLB one story arc. What if she ends up like
Mary Brown?
Speaker 1: What if she ends up like Kelly Osborne?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, have you seen Mary Brown?
Speaker 3: Look?
Speaker 1: Mary Brown looks Okay, she doesn't look terrible, like she's
lost a lot of weight.
Speaker 2: She looks a little weird, but.
Speaker 1: She does not look like a crypt keeper like ke
Kelly Osborne.
Speaker 2: Dude, she has a full on ed.
Speaker 1: Now that thing I sent you on Instagram, I sent
you for real thing at real, I sent you where
this guy was looking at a recent picture of her
at something like is that AI?
Speaker 2: No, it's real?
Speaker 1: I And then to me more like, I don't know.
The GLP one thing really scares me, although I'm still
considering it, but I think that that's probably going to
be one of her story arcs. Next week, She's gonna
come back and she's going to be probably seventy five
pounds down. Yeah, and we're gonna be talking a lot
about our weight. And Ethan's going to be single because
Tiagan left him for a better dude. Yeah, he's probably
back in kro and maybe he's dating.
Speaker 2: I hope he's still in therapy. I hope he keeps
that up, Yeah, because I think he is benefiting from
it right now, like he seems to have done okay
in this last episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't hurt anybody. No, he didn't fly off
the handle. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, and so I'm like, keep going be single for
a while, work on your cars. Yeah, and then maybe
you'll find a nice girl who will accept you for that.
I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I think if he pulls his mental health stuff together
and learns how to communicate, I think, and gets a job,
like an actual job, I think that he could be
a good partner to somebody who's like minded or whatever.
I want to see what happens with Amber. There was
a moment when they were in I think the Joshua
circle and they panned to Amber and the son was
like just hitting her just so and her beautiful aqua
marine eyes. I'm like, talk about a girl who probably
has no idea, oh none, how beautiful she is. She's
just resplendent. I don't know, you're just girl.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of these kids are really beautiful, Yes,
like a lot of.
Speaker 1: Objectively good looking kids.
Speaker 2: Yes, Barry and kid did something right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and honestly I think it was Kim.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Actually, when you look at Barry as the younger man,
younger pictures, tall, dark and hands on there, yeah, kind
also a looker, Yeah, very beautiful or just anyway, I
hope for another season. I don't want the manufactured producer bullshit.
I'm always raging against that machine. But like, if you
want to come back and show me your real stories,
I am invested.
Speaker 2: I'm invested. I wonder how we're gonna deal with things,
like I wonder if Kim not Kim, Lydia and Zach
are going to continue being on another season now that
they're in Colorado.
Speaker 1: That is my question because.
Speaker 2: If not, who's gonna be the villain?
Speaker 1: Well, who's gonna be the who's gonna be the a
person making money in that family? Without Lydia being, oh, like,
what are you going to be doing? Zach? I think
I just feel like Zach underneath it all is a
bit of a cloud goblin totally, and he wants to
be on this show. So I think that they would
follow them, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, Lydia's doing a bunch of like content creation now,
and she's posting a lot of like tiktoks and reels
and she's trying to be like a trad wife Ballerina
farm no content person, like she's learning how to make sourdough,
but poorly kind of judging her for it a little
bit because you are the queen. I'm the sourdough queen.
Speaker 1: You are.
Speaker 2: So I'm just like, I don't know what they're gonna do.
Maybe they're gonna keep platform so that way they can
get paid. But if they're not, then what are we
gonna What are we gonna watch?
Speaker 1: Listen, when Amber comes of age, that girl can have
any boy she wants, and there can be some drama
associated with that. I mean, there are still some things
that we can get into with his family, especially if
we bring Mica back. Yeah, so we'll wait and see. Guys,
I have no idea. I do know that maybe Sister
Wives is coming back. We can talk about that in
the Sister Wives episode. But maybe Sister Wives is coming
back in a little while.
Speaker 2: But what should we watch?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the question.
Speaker 2: Let us know what shows are out there? Yeah, what
you guys want to.
Speaker 1: Say, it's gotta be trashy. You know what we didn't
watch this year was Temptation Island, which is on Netflix.
Speaker 2: I'm down for that because we covered that several years
back and that was fun.
Speaker 1: I loved it. But did anybody care?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like when we're talking about the Gen Pod, it's like, well,
what do people really want? What do you guys want
us to cover? And is there anything launching soon? I
feel like there would be because we're at the beginning
of summer. I feel like there's gonna be got to
be something, you know. The Last Resort is out. Yeah,
you've got that Zaied and that old lady. Oh my god,
Oh my god. And then Jenny and so did you
hear that Jenny has als? No, Jenny was diagnosed with
als and so when she was filming the Last Resort,
her speech was a little bit. It was a little yes.
And I guess though that they're at the last Resort
because to me, it's just a piece of sh He's
just like gambling and drinking, and he's not long hair now,
and they've been having some problems with his mom.
Speaker 2: Still well because he's married to a grand.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he's got a mom thing, I think. But
this is the last Resort. But I don't know. Two
hours an episode is not up my alley.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't want it to be long because then
they just drag out stupid content. Yeah, I don't care
about that. I want to see them talk about nasty sex.
Speaker 1: Oh, got me too, That would be great. Anyway, give
us your suggestions. Please drop in the comments. And by
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to say to these beautiful raccoons before we get upon
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