Speaker 1: We have a huge show for you tonight.
Speaker 2: A veteran FBI officer is here to break down the
Speaker 2: latest in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. Plus we have
Speaker 2: the number three Republican in the House of Representatives, Whip
Speaker 2: Tom Emmer, here to bring us inside the battle to
Speaker 2: keep the Department of Homeland Security open, and Texas Congressman
Speaker 2: Chip Roy is fighting for voter id and to stop
Speaker 2: illegals from voting. He'll discuss that plan with us this hour.
Speaker 2: And we've got news on the radical left turn in
Speaker 2: Virginia and an incredible story about mountain lions living in
Speaker 2: urban areas. It's all next to the Matt Gates Show.
Speaker 1: Let's do this shaking up Washington, d C. We're breaking
Speaker 1: the fever.
Speaker 3: Do you ever watch this guy on television.
Speaker 4: It's like a machine.
Speaker 3: He's great.
Speaker 5: Matt Gates.
Speaker 2: Washington d C is three days away from allowing funding
Speaker 2: to lapse for the very important Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 2: A deal to save DHS funding only comes together if
Speaker 2: Democrats agree to extend funding for the agency, or if
Speaker 2: Republicans use a nuclear option and go at it alone
Speaker 2: with a tool called budget reconciliation. Tonight, we're going to
Speaker 2: examine the state of play in those negotiations. We have
Speaker 2: two of the top members of the Republican majority here
Speaker 2: with us to break it down. We also need to
Speaker 2: realize the impact of the game of legislative chicken being
Speaker 2: played by Senate Democrats. DHS is not some government office
Speaker 2: that prints pamphlets about recycling. This is the department that
Speaker 2: guards the border, screens terror threats, stops fentanyl, and keeps
Speaker 2: planes in the air. When dh IS funding lapses, the
Speaker 2: country doesn't pause, it bleeds. While politicians argue the cartels,
Speaker 2: they don't take a recess. CBP has seized more than
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand pounds of fentanyl since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: That's enough to kill the entire US population several times over.
Speaker 2: Roughly seventy thousand Americans die each year from fentanyl overdoses.
Speaker 2: It's the leading cause of death for young adults. So
Speaker 2: if you want fewer agents screening, fewer vehicles inspections, fewer interdictions,
Speaker 2: that's what you get with what Senate Democrats are offering.
Speaker 2: Drug traffickers. They're watching too. They hear funding laps and
Speaker 2: obviously plan a big push when we are vulnerable. Then
Speaker 2: there's aviation security TSA screens about two and a half
Speaker 2: million passengers per day. During prior shutdowns, absenteeism spiked, unpaid
Speaker 2: officers understandably stay at home, Lines stretched for hours, flights
Speaker 2: were delayed, commerce slowed. Democrats know that they know they
Speaker 2: don't need a full shut down to dampen the economic
Speaker 2: progress Trump has willed into existence. They just need to
Speaker 2: shut down air travel in America's productivity plummets. Apparently, grounding
Speaker 2: the economy is now some sort of DC negotiating tactic.
Speaker 2: And that's because chaos is the Democrat tactic. Look at
Speaker 2: what they're cheerleading in the streets.
Speaker 6: You all have decided that this resistance is not one
Speaker 6: that can be intimidated. We know that we are here
Speaker 6: to stay and this is our country.
Speaker 3: I sound all.
Speaker 7: Ill.
Speaker 2: It's pretty obvious this is a political movement that you
Speaker 2: wouldn't trust to run a Chuck E Cheese, much less
Speaker 2: the country. And if the Department of Homeland Security shuts down,
Speaker 2: don't forget the impact on cybersecurity, DHS, monitors, election systems, pipelines, hospitals,
Speaker 2: power grids. In an era where China, Russia, Iran, and
Speaker 2: criminal syndicates, probe US networks daily. Defending cyber is key,
Speaker 2: and stopping because of a fight over ice is like
Speaker 2: turning off the locks at your house because you're mad
Speaker 2: at the landlord. Here's the cruel irony. DHS employees are
Speaker 2: disproportionately law enforcement veterans, frontline operators. These are the people
Speaker 2: politicians claim they respect, yet a funding lapse tells them
Speaker 2: to do their job, don't get paid, and don't complain.
Speaker 2: Try that strategy in the private sector and see how
Speaker 2: long your company survives. If the Democrats shut down strategy succeeds,
Speaker 2: they've literally defunded the police. National sovereignty isn't optional. Border
Speaker 2: security isn't a bargaining chip. Law enforcement isn't a suggestion.
Speaker 2: President Trump understood that a country without borders, without enforcement,
Speaker 2: without consequences is not a country. It is a shopping
Speaker 2: mall with no doors. Let's be honest. The people least
Speaker 2: harmed by DHS labs are the ones voting for it.
Speaker 2: The people most harmed are working families, border communities, overdose victims, travelers,
Speaker 2: small businesses, and cops standing post without a paycheck. If
Speaker 2: Congress can't fund DHS, then Congress admitting it can't perform
Speaker 2: a basic function protecting the nation. Everything else is noise.
Speaker 2: You can argue about climate programs, art grants, better study
Speaker 2: committees later, but when the department that stops terrorists, traffickers,
Speaker 2: and transnational crime is left twisting in the wind, it's
Speaker 2: not politics.
Speaker 1: It's treason. Here with us now? Is the House Majority Whip?
Speaker 2: Minnesota Republican Tom Emmer, Mister Whip, what can you tell
Speaker 2: us about the negotiations to keep the Department of Homeland
Speaker 2: Security funded?
Speaker 3: Well, it's over in the Senate. As you know, Matt,
Speaker 3: the House did its job.
Speaker 8: We passed a complete funding bill, and Senate over there
Speaker 8: weeks ago the Democrats backed out of a deal that
Speaker 8: they had in the Senate and they refused to pass it,
Speaker 8: claiming that this was about reforms for the Immigration and
Speaker 8: Customs Enforcement operation. The problem with that argument, Matt, is
Speaker 8: you probably already know and your viewers know, is that
Speaker 8: we've funded the Immigration and Customs enforcement officers through the
Speaker 8: end of President Trump's term.
Speaker 3: All literally what the Democrats are doing yet again as.
Speaker 8: They're holding America hostage and more importantly, the Coastguard tsa
Speaker 8: disaster relief through FEMA these are the things that they're
Speaker 8: trying to hold up in an effort to get unreasonable demands,
Speaker 8: one of which is this extra warrant judicial warrant requirement
Speaker 8: that would just be mass amnesty for illegals. Man, it's
Speaker 8: a no go, So our bill's over there. We believe
Speaker 8: they should just pass that bill and get on with it.
Speaker 2: Mister Whippitt reminds me of the fable of the whipping Boy,
Speaker 2: where when one child is bad, the punishers whip a
Speaker 2: different child. And it seems like what you're describing is
Speaker 2: the Democrats wanting to make our air traffic controllers, our
Speaker 2: TSA officers, our cybersecurity professionals at the Department of Homeland
Speaker 2: Security the whipping boy for ice. How do you think
Speaker 2: the country is going to react to that strategy, Well.
Speaker 8: I think once you have major airports like Atlanta and
Speaker 8: in New York and other places, once they start running
Speaker 8: into shortages of people and it starts tying up travel
Speaker 8: for tens of millions of people, once you start having
Speaker 8: disaster relief that's not being provided, once people start to
Speaker 8: feel the real effects of what these Democrats are doing.
Speaker 8: Yet again, man, I don't think it's going to have
Speaker 8: a good result for him. I love the mainstream lain
Speaker 8: stream media that tries to report that the first forty
Speaker 8: three days shutdown actually worked out for Democrats.
Speaker 3: It didn't do a darn thing for them.
Speaker 8: In fact, it hurt the American people, and the American
Speaker 8: public knows that.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 8: So, look, we need to get the Homeland Security funded.
Speaker 8: The part that they want to fight about is already funded.
Speaker 8: Now is not the time for that fight. Now is
Speaker 8: the time to fund TSA, It's time to fund disaster relief.
Speaker 8: It's time to fund our coastguard.
Speaker 2: Matt. Yeah, you represent Minnesota proudly. Are things they're getting
Speaker 2: better or worse right now?
Speaker 8: Well, they're quiet, which is good, and hopefully they're getting better.
Speaker 8: Tom Holman's doing a nice job of trying to ratchet
Speaker 8: down the rhetoric. The problem is you've got a complete
Speaker 8: lack of leadership in our state, and when you've got
Speaker 8: a governor who thinks he's Jefferson Davis calling on the
Speaker 8: troops to battle with federal law enforcement. Matt, Not only
Speaker 8: is that the wrong thing to do, it's a completely
Speaker 8: contrary to what this republic is based on. In this case,
Speaker 8: the federal government is responsible for enforcing those immigration laws
Speaker 8: if there was some cooperation at the local level with
Speaker 8: federal law enforcement. I think Tom Homan said it best.
Speaker 8: You want our officers off your streets, then let us
Speaker 8: in your jails. Let them take the worst of the
Speaker 8: worst out. We're talking about rapists, We're talking about murders,
Speaker 8: We're talking about pedophiles and drug dealers. Matt, we need
Speaker 8: these people off the streets. President Trump promised but a
Speaker 8: safe America, and he's delivering, and these guys are standing
Speaker 8: in the way. It's kind of not coincidental, by the way,
Speaker 8: that it's all blue state led estates that are fighting
Speaker 8: with President Trump.
Speaker 2: Immigration was a really good issue for congressional Republicans in
Speaker 2: the last election because a lot of moderate swing voters
Speaker 2: would not abide the open borders policies of the Biden
Speaker 2: Harris administration. Do you think that Republicans and swing districts
Speaker 2: are going to be running on immigration enforcement as a
Speaker 2: top line issue in the upcoming midterms.
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be running on safety and
Speaker 3: security without a doubt.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 8: I know that a lot of people like to say,
Speaker 8: right now, oh, this is turned against Republicans and President Trump.
Speaker 3: It hasn't at home.
Speaker 8: Here's what I'm hearing in a place where we had
Speaker 8: two tragic shootings that nobody wants that sort of thing
Speaker 8: to happen, and they will do full investigations. But when
Speaker 8: I'm hearing at home, thank President Trump. We want the
Speaker 8: federal officers here. There are people offering to feed them,
Speaker 8: there are people offering to house them. Do they have
Speaker 8: some concerns about the methods that are being used. Of
Speaker 8: course they do. And that's the part where Congress is
Speaker 8: leaning in and making sure that people there's appropriate supervision
Speaker 8: and training the going on it. By the way, bill
Speaker 8: that they're holding up over in the Senate, it's got
Speaker 8: thirty million dollars Senate, which includes money for training, and
Speaker 8: it includes money for body cameras.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the things they want they won't accept, but instead
Speaker 2: they want to punish people who have really no stake
Speaker 2: in what ails them. You led the Republican Congressional campaign
Speaker 2: arm before becoming the Whip of the House. You've run
Speaker 2: for House Speaker before I voted for you for Speaker
Speaker 2: and House Conference. What is the message that you think
Speaker 2: Republicans will be bringing on the economy to the districts
Speaker 2: that will decide whether or not a Republican or Democrat
Speaker 2: will be Speaker in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 8: Wow, it's going to be all about the economy. First off,
Speaker 8: the fundamentals are with us.
Speaker 5: Matt.
Speaker 8: Back in twenty eighteen, Donald Trump's first midterm, we were
Speaker 8: defending over twenty of our members who were in steets
Speaker 8: that Hillary Clinton had won. In twenty sixteen, guess what,
Speaker 8: the whole map is flipped. There are now sixteen Democrats
Speaker 8: sitting in seats that Donald Trump won. There are only
Speaker 8: seven Republicans in four of those are in California. By
Speaker 8: the way, I don't think we're going to lose all
Speaker 8: four of those in California, but that remains.
Speaker 3: To be seen. At the end of the day, it
Speaker 3: will be about the economy. Barring some global disruption.
Speaker 8: It's going to be about whether people feel better today
Speaker 8: than they did yesterday and whether they see a brighter future.
Speaker 8: And just think about that nonpartisan CBO that told us
Speaker 8: if you passed that big, beautiful bill also known as
Speaker 8: the Working Families Tax Cut back in July, we were
Speaker 8: going to project They projected one point eight percent GDP
Speaker 8: growth over the next ten years. Forget for a second
Speaker 8: that the nonpartisan CBO didn't point out that we've never
Speaker 8: grown at less than two percent. Guess what, Matt, before
Speaker 8: the bill ever became law on January first of this year.
Speaker 3: Third quarter last year was four point three percent growth.
Speaker 8: Fourth quarter last year was reported at four point four
Speaker 8: It's been revised down a bit. They are now saying
Speaker 8: the first quarter this year is going to be five
Speaker 8: percent or better. If that continues, which I expect it's
Speaker 8: going to. Republicans are in a great position to hold
Speaker 8: the House come the fall.
Speaker 2: If we get GDP growth to five percent and it
Speaker 2: doesn't come with a big inflationary spike, I think that
Speaker 2: bodes very well for the Red Team. Tom Emmer, the
Speaker 2: Whip of the House, the former leader of the Republican
Speaker 2: campaign arm in Congress, thanks so much for joining us
Speaker 2: and for bringing us up to speed.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Matt.
Speaker 1: Take care, good seeing you, and coming up.
Speaker 2: We have a cautionary tale from the Commonwealth of Virginia
Speaker 2: where there was just an effort signed by the governor
Speaker 2: of that commonwealth to steal Republican contractgressional districts. It's right
Speaker 2: out of the Gavin Newsom playbook. And we'll tell you
Speaker 2: all about it. Plus, Congressman Chip Roy is with us
Speaker 2: later in the show to talk about his effort to
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Speaker 2: The Commonwealth of Virginia. We're gonna follow Virginia very closely
Speaker 2: because months ago it had Apublican governor Glenn Younkin, and
Speaker 2: now it has a Democrat governor, Abigail Spamberger. Unlike New
Speaker 2: York City, where a new mayor'son on Mom Dami says stuff.
Speaker 12: Like this, it was elected as a Democratic socialist and
Speaker 12: I will govern as a Democratic Socialist.
Speaker 1: Governor.
Speaker 2: Spamberger campaigned to be a moderate, middle of the road type,
Speaker 2: not one of the Democrats who wanted to take away
Speaker 2: your guns and your money while transit your kids. But
Speaker 2: the political science lesson here is that there really aren't
Speaker 2: any moderates left in the Democratic Party. Any elected Democrat
Speaker 2: once they get into office, they end up swallowing the
Speaker 2: socialist agenda whole Listen to firearms expert Patrick Parsons describe
Speaker 2: what they're doing to gun owners, and.
Speaker 1: Like og colonial Virginia.
Speaker 12: No less elections have consequences. They are going for the kill.
Speaker 12: It is their number one issue in Richmond. There's a
Speaker 12: bill called SB seven four nine, introduced by a guy
Speaker 12: named Saddam Selim from Bangladesh Northern Virginia.
Speaker 1: It is a so called assault.
Speaker 12: Weapons ban and magazine ban, and we could keep going
Speaker 12: further into it, but they're going They're going for it all,
Speaker 12: and we're fighting them and trying to stop it.
Speaker 1: That's scary.
Speaker 2: But the biggest power graph coming out of Virginia might
Speaker 2: not be the woke left coming for your guns. They're
Speaker 2: actually coming for your Republican majority in Congress, and they've
Speaker 2: gone full Gavin Newsom to do it. Virginia Democrats recently
Speaker 2: released a new congressional map that would make ten of
Speaker 2: the eleven congressional seats blue. For context, In the last
Speaker 2: presidential election, about four point four million people voted in Virginia.
Speaker 2: Of those four point four million, about two point one
Speaker 2: million voted for Trump, just under half.
Speaker 1: So I want to state, with.
Speaker 2: Two point one million Trump voters out of four point
Speaker 2: four million people, they're gonna have ten Democrats representing them
Speaker 2: in Congress and one Republican. Is this what democracy looks like?
Speaker 2: The map leverages Democrats strength in Northern Virginia and Richmond
Speaker 2: by spreading those voters into multiple rural districts to make
Speaker 2: them democrat leaning. It is an extreme partisan gerrymander. The
Speaker 2: redistricting proposal has tied to a constitutional amendment that would
Speaker 2: let Virginia in their General Assembly redraw the maps. That's
Speaker 2: something normally done after a census. So will the promise
Speaker 2: of moderation in Virginia actually lead to the extreme left
Speaker 2: control of the United States Congress for years? Joining US
Speaker 2: now Republican Virginia State Senator Bryce Reeves.
Speaker 5: Senator Rea, good to see you.
Speaker 2: Good to see you again as well. Now the Democrats
Speaker 2: and the Commonwealth want to draw these maps. They would
Speaker 2: put part of northern Virginia into a lot of rural districts.
Speaker 2: What kind of challenge does that put on lawmakers just
Speaker 2: representing their constituents.
Speaker 13: It's going to be very difficult. The seventh district, which
Speaker 13: is our new governor. She used to represent my senatorial
Speaker 13: district and she, you know, it was a mix between
Speaker 13: some rural and some suburban areas. But now you have
Speaker 13: Arlington all the way down into my district and over
Speaker 13: the mountain and all the way down to Goochland County
Speaker 13: near Richmond, and it makes no sense at all.
Speaker 5: It's funny that we're.
Speaker 13: Talking about this right now. Matt I just got off
Speaker 13: the floor just a little bit ago, and they passed
Speaker 13: Senateville twenty nine, which is a Kaboosville adding all that,
Speaker 13: but you're not gonna believe what they did.
Speaker 5: They took out the voters' rights at They.
Speaker 13: Took out all the protections to make sure they had
Speaker 13: minority majority districts and all these things. They wiped that
Speaker 13: out of the actual bill. Language stripped it for years,
Speaker 13: they fought for it, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 13: they decide they're going to strip it out. So they
Speaker 13: are doing everything possible to lie, cheat and steal to
Speaker 13: make this stuff happen.
Speaker 2: I used to live in Virginia. I know in a
Speaker 2: way it's like three different states. Northern Virginia so different
Speaker 2: than the Hampton Roads area, so different than some of
Speaker 2: the mountain country and hills of Appalachia that are in Virginia. Wondering, like,
Speaker 2: are the voters ticked off that you're gonna have some
Speaker 2: some voter in uh, rural Virginia. Whose member of Congress
Speaker 2: is going to be like living in northern Virginia. Is
Speaker 2: that has that sunk in for people in the Commonwealth.
Speaker 13: I think what's really sunk in at least for the
Speaker 13: seventh district that they've just newly drawn, which was Abigail
Speaker 13: Spendeberger as district And the guy that they drew that
Speaker 13: that district for is.
Speaker 5: A guy named Dan Helmer.
Speaker 13: And Dan Helmer right now is the is a former
Speaker 13: West Point graduate, if you can believe this, and carried
Speaker 13: the assault weapons band that just passed the Senate. It's
Speaker 13: already passed the House, but it passed the Senate today
Speaker 13: on purely partisan vote. And so that's going to be
Speaker 13: our representation for rural Virginia that I represent.
Speaker 5: That's not going to go over that well.
Speaker 2: Now and after seeing this, after seeing what Democrats did
Speaker 2: in Virginia, I wonder if you have a reaction to
Speaker 2: what Indiana Republicans did. They had the op opportunity to
Speaker 2: play the Democrats game alongside them and to squeeze some
Speaker 2: more Republican representation out of the Hoosier state. They decided
Speaker 2: to be Midwest nice instead. What would you say to
Speaker 2: the folks who made that decision.
Speaker 13: I would say I understand where they are because the
Speaker 13: majority of Republicans think like that. We think, hey, let's
Speaker 13: play fair, let's keep our moral compass.
Speaker 1: Let's not do that.
Speaker 13: To the left, well, they don't understand the enemy to
Speaker 13: which they face. The Democrats are diametrically opposed to everything
Speaker 13: we believe in, everything from gun rights to birth of
Speaker 13: a child after it's been born or tried to be aborted,
Speaker 13: and they won't keep it alive.
Speaker 5: So let me just tell my colleagues in Indiana. I
Speaker 5: know you were trying to do.
Speaker 13: The right thing, but you really did a disservice and
Speaker 13: you did a huge disservice to the Republican Party on
Speaker 13: that one, because quite frankly, they're going to shove it
Speaker 13: down your throats when they get an opportunity.
Speaker 5: To do it, and they won't even look twice at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just did it to you in Virginia.
Speaker 2: I don't know that there's anywhere in the country where
Speaker 2: life is changing as fast as it is in Virginia
Speaker 2: with this big swing with Spamberger's governorship. How are some
Speaker 2: of your constituents going to feel that change in the
Speaker 2: coming months.
Speaker 5: Matt, They already feel it.
Speaker 13: I've got hundreds you know, we're in sessions, so I'm
Speaker 13: getting hundreds of emails a day about Hey, I'm done,
Speaker 13: We're going to move.
Speaker 5: It's not worth it.
Speaker 13: We can't take these fifty plus taxes they're putting through
Speaker 13: all these things.
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you something.
Speaker 13: I had an conversation just this week or last week,
Speaker 13: I think it was Thursday. We had a dinner with
Speaker 13: the National Guard, and she kind of came up behind
Speaker 13: me and ambushed me. And I was talking to a
Speaker 13: senior master chief at the time, and she didn't like
Speaker 13: my Washington Times interview I did where I was pretty
Speaker 13: want about what she's done so far and how she
Speaker 13: within a matter of hours, broke the agreement we had
Speaker 13: eighty seven g with our state police, working with our
Speaker 13: national law enforcement to make sure that Virginia is saved
Speaker 13: from these MS thirteen. Anyway, you get it, and she
Speaker 13: pretty much and you know her, you served with her.
Speaker 13: She's a great CIA operative, right.
Speaker 5: She pulls you in confidence, all nice and then she
Speaker 5: destroys you. That's what she loves doing. But anyway, she said, I.
Speaker 13: Don't like it, And I said, well, madame governor, you
Speaker 13: have an opportunity to really prove if you're going to
Speaker 13: be a moderate now are you're going to govern so
Speaker 13: far you're governing far far left. Well, she can't run
Speaker 13: from it anymore like she hid from it in Congress.
Speaker 13: She's going to have those bills put on her desk
Speaker 13: back you know this, and she's either gonna have to
Speaker 13: sign them or veto them, or you know, send them
Speaker 13: back to committee or something.
Speaker 5: But she's great at dodging questions. And she got out
Speaker 5: of there. She I teled it out of There's what
Speaker 5: she could.
Speaker 2: Well, we're glad that you're fighting for regular folks who
Speaker 2: want some common sense. A Virginia Republican Senator Bryce Reeves,
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the program and bringing us up
Speaker 2: to speed.
Speaker 13: Matt, thank you, and thank you for what you do again, brother,
Speaker 13: Thank you, thank you, thank you for making the rest
Speaker 13: of America understand what the heck it is we're dealing
Speaker 13: with there.
Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate you.
Speaker 2: I think it's a real warning to the rest of
Speaker 2: the country what can happen if you make this kind
Speaker 2: of change.
Speaker 1: But we're glad we got some fighters there for us.
Speaker 5: Thanks Matt, appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: Thank you. In coming up, we've got Texas Congressman Chip
Speaker 2: Roy here to update us on his efforts to pass
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Speaker 2: the latest on the disappearance of the mother of NBC
Speaker 2: host Savannah Guthrie.
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Speaker 2: The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act, or SAVE Act, is
Speaker 2: a critically important piece of legislation to secure our elections.
Speaker 2: House Majority Leader Steve Scalise, POP said the Chamber will
Speaker 2: vote on the SAVE Act next week. It builds on
Speaker 2: an original proposal by adding photo ID to vote along
Speaker 2: with proof of citizenship for voter registration. Elections Attorney Cleta
Speaker 2: Mitchell told us how important this is.
Speaker 4: Pretty Five states allow student IDs to be for voting,
Speaker 4: and you know you don't have to be a citizen
Speaker 4: to get a student ID. So we need to get
Speaker 4: rid of all those things like the utility bill or
Speaker 4: a bank statement. We need to have a photo ID
Speaker 4: issued to citizens only that it says citizen right there
Speaker 4: on the front of the ID.
Speaker 2: The SAVE Act previously passed the House of Representatives, but
Speaker 2: it's stalled in the Senate. Now there are signs of
Speaker 2: life in the Senate. A Democrat, Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman,
Speaker 2: said there's nothing wrong with asking for an ID to vote.
Speaker 14: And how me, as a Democrat, I do not believe
Speaker 14: that it's unreasonable or to show ID just to vote.
Speaker 14: It's not a radical idea for regular Americans to show
Speaker 14: your ID to vote. And it's absolutely those things are
Speaker 14: not Jim Crow or anything.
Speaker 2: Non Citizen voting must be shut down, and it happens
Speaker 2: way more than you think. Just last month, two men,
Speaker 2: Mohammed Mazamal and Mohammed Shakiel were indicted in New Jersey
Speaker 2: for falsely attesting to US citizenship when registering and casting
Speaker 2: ballots in the twenty twenty election. They also made false
Speaker 2: statements about US citizenship on their applications.
Speaker 1: Also last month, a man.
Speaker 2: Living in Michigan pleaded guilty to illegal voting by aliens, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, is a great sounding statutes. He also
Speaker 2: made false statements on a passport and citizenship applications. You
Speaker 2: literally assumed someone else's identity to vote. Late last year,
Speaker 2: Canadian citizen Dennists Brouchard was indicted in North Carolina for
Speaker 2: illegally registering and voting in federal elections in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two and twenty twenty four despite.
Speaker 1: Never obtaining US citizenship.
Speaker 2: An Alabama woman was sentenced to five years for voting
Speaker 2: fraud and passport fraud for assuming another person's identity and
Speaker 2: using it to vote in multiple elections. So, how does
Speaker 2: the US House leverage the Senate to pass the Save Act?
Speaker 2: Joining us now Republican Texas Congressman and candidate for Texas
Speaker 2: Attorney General, Chip Roy. So, Chip, where do the negotiations
Speaker 2: stand right now on the Save Act?
Speaker 15: Well, Matt just came out of Rules Committee where we're
Speaker 15: moving through the Save America Act. As you know, we
Speaker 15: took the original Save Act, which focused on citizenship. We
Speaker 15: added to it a very common sense, a highly popular
Speaker 15: voter ID provision, and put those two together be the
Speaker 15: Save America Act. Working with President Trump in the White House,
Speaker 15: we're waiting to get through the Rules Committee tonight, get
Speaker 15: it to the Florida marwork the rule, and move it
Speaker 15: off the House floor. We believe as early as tomorrow evening.
Speaker 15: Then it would get to the Senate, and then it's
Speaker 15: just a question of getting majority of Leader Thom to
Speaker 15: recognize that the Bilibuster rules in the Senate. While I
Speaker 15: support and think they're important as the cooling saucer, you
Speaker 15: got to make them actually speak, make them do Miss
Speaker 15: Smith goes to Washington, make them go to the Florida
Speaker 15: Senate and explain to the American people why they do
Speaker 15: not port voter identification and then only American citizens should
Speaker 15: vote in American elections. Let them explain it. I think
Speaker 15: we should force them to do that. We'll see what
Speaker 15: Majority Leader Thune does, but we hope to move this
Speaker 15: bill by tomorrow night.
Speaker 2: It does sound like you're confident about passage in the House.
Speaker 2: I know at times anything that's that's regarding election integrity
Speaker 2: or immigration in any kind is sometimes pulling teeth to
Speaker 2: get together. But Senator Fetterman a Democrat, so there's no
Speaker 2: problem asking for voter ID. Do you think there is
Speaker 2: a single House Democrat who holds Senator Fetterman's views.
Speaker 15: Well, you know, when we passed the SAYAC, which again
Speaker 15: was the citizenship portion last Congress, we had five Democrats
Speaker 15: who joined us in last year when we passed the SAMAC,
Speaker 15: it had four Democrats. Now we've taken that bill added
Speaker 15: voter I D We'll see if that if they're going
Speaker 15: to be superpartisan about it. But it's a really tough vote,
Speaker 15: and Senator Fetterman's exactly right. This pulls it ninety something
Speaker 15: percent among Republicans, seventy one percent among Democrats, eighty three
Speaker 15: percent overall. It's high podca among Blacks, Hispanics, Whites, rurals, Urbans.
Speaker 15: It just doesn't matter. Everybody thinks it's common sence. Look,
Speaker 15: we're a nation of laws. We're a nation of people
Speaker 15: who are bound together as a sovereign nation that should
Speaker 15: actually believe that only citizens should vote, and you should
Speaker 15: have to show idea. You have to show ID to
Speaker 15: get on a plane, you have to show ID to
Speaker 15: buy a gun, you have to show ID to buy booze.
Speaker 15: You got to show an ID to do pretty much anything.
Speaker 15: What do you go to sporting events these days? So
Speaker 15: this is common sense, and we hope that it will
Speaker 15: pass the House tomorrow, and we believe it will. But
Speaker 15: the trick here is forcing the Senate to do work,
Speaker 15: and people don't understand Senate rules. It's our cane. But literally,
Speaker 15: all we're asking them to do is go to the floor,
Speaker 15: demand a vote and make Democrats speak against it. Don't
Speaker 15: just check a box and say sorry, we don't have sixty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the Senate better than any House member,
Speaker 2: because your Senator Cruz is former Chief of Staff Senator
Speaker 2: Cruz supporting you now in your campaign for attorney general.
Speaker 2: What is the countervailing pressure on pun Because what you've
Speaker 2: said makes a whole lot of sense. Are there are
Speaker 2: there some of these old guard Republicans in the Senate
Speaker 2: who don't want to make the Democrats stand up and
Speaker 2: explain why they're against voter ID.
Speaker 15: Yeah, so I think the short version is this for
Speaker 15: people don't understand it. But you've always had the rules
Speaker 15: in the Senate that if someone wants to get up
Speaker 15: and speak, they can be heard. There's only three things
Speaker 15: that can be happening in the Senate, figuring out whether
Speaker 15: you've got a quorum, quorum call, speaking on the floor,
Speaker 15: or voting.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 15: So what we're saying is, take fifty one senators go
Speaker 15: to the floor and say, hey, we have this crazy idea.
Speaker 15: We think voter ID and citizenship is important. Let's pass
Speaker 15: it and then make the Democrats go, whohoa, we don't
Speaker 15: want to do it, stand up and speak. Instead of
Speaker 15: defaulting to something that was adopted in this century, it
Speaker 15: wasn't in the original rules that said no, you have
Speaker 15: to have sixty votes to shut off debate. So we
Speaker 15: don't change the rules. You can still shut off debate
Speaker 15: with sixty. What we're saying is make them earn it,
Speaker 15: make them shut off debate by debating, and then force
Speaker 15: them to do it. The countervailing argument is, well, there
Speaker 15: going to offer lots of amendments.
Speaker 5: They're going to make it.
Speaker 15: Really hard, and they're going to drag out time. And
Speaker 15: my argument is, go work and just vote to table
Speaker 15: all the amendments. If you're disciplined and you force them
Speaker 15: to do it, you'll win the message, you'll win the
Speaker 15: hearts of the American people, and you might just actually
Speaker 15: pass a bill or you've done your work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that may be the reason.
Speaker 2: I wonder allowed whether or not, Like when you have
Speaker 2: people like Mitch McConnell in the Senate who cannot stand
Speaker 2: up and orate for hours at a time, they wouldn't
Speaker 2: support a change and how the rules are interpreted so
Speaker 2: that they just couldn't put their their emperor modern of
Speaker 2: opposition and filibuster on things they don't like. Do you
Speaker 2: think that that may weigh on Leader Thune's decision.
Speaker 15: On this, Yeah, of course, And I think that's a
Speaker 15: key issue here is the way they currently do business.
Speaker 15: They put the Senate in a quorum call, which means
Speaker 15: just since they're silent, they go and talk, and they
Speaker 15: go to fundraisers, and they go do their Senate things,
Speaker 15: get jello at the Senior Home. Then they come back
Speaker 15: over to the Senate and then they go, Okay, let's
Speaker 15: do a vote. Now that we've all decided what the
Speaker 15: vote's going to look like, but we can't amend it.
Speaker 15: But it's only done if somebody's decided in a smoky room,
Speaker 15: then we're going to get it done. It's not the
Speaker 15: greatest delibrity of body in the world anymore. But there's
Speaker 15: another reason that some are hiding, and they're hiding behind federalism. Now, Matt,
Speaker 15: I'm a federalism guy. I like to leave stuff to
Speaker 15: the states. I don't like the federal government making laws,
Speaker 15: doing things to interfere with us. However, the Constitution of
Speaker 15: the United States is very clear Congress has a direct
Speaker 15: role in our elections. Federal elections, yes, the state can
Speaker 15: determine them, and the Constitution says so, but it also
Speaker 15: says we can. When you're talking about the federal elections,
Speaker 15: Congress and the White House, the President. So we believe
Speaker 15: there's a direct federal issue. In addition to our role
Speaker 15: on immigration, our role is very clear on deciding who
Speaker 15: are citizens or not. So this is the perfect issue
Speaker 15: for us to be able to speak with one voice
Speaker 15: for voter ID and citizenship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, if people want to make
Speaker 2: the federalism argument, you've already said, get up and make
Speaker 2: it argue till you're blue in the face.
Speaker 1: It's just the way they killed your bill last time
Speaker 1: was the good.
Speaker 2: Old boys way where they stuck in a drawer and said, well,
Speaker 2: someone here objects, and we don't have sixty votes. Right now,
Speaker 2: you are in the middle of an election in Texas.
Speaker 2: You're the leading candidate for attorney general. If this doesn't pass,
Speaker 2: what will you do as attorney general of Texas to
Speaker 2: stop illegal aliens from voting?
Speaker 15: Well, look, the opposite of attorney general is a critically
Speaker 15: important office to make sure that we protect our sovereignty
Speaker 15: is the state of Texas. And look, we can make
Speaker 15: sure we're enforcing the rules and the laws in Texas.
Speaker 15: We can also challenge federal law that interferes. Like, for example,
Speaker 15: one of the current opinions the Court opinions says that
Speaker 15: states are unable to actually go check their voter rules
Speaker 15: to make sure that they are citizens. I think we
Speaker 15: should stop that. So you've got in states like Arizona
Speaker 15: that are running two systems, one where they check citizenship
Speaker 15: for their state local elections, but they don't for federal
Speaker 15: So I think there's room for the Office of Attorney
Speaker 15: General to be challenging that and to make sure we're
Speaker 15: enforcing all of our rules in Texas. But the most
Speaker 15: important thing is keeping people out who shouldn't be the
Speaker 15: and enforcing the laws of the state to make sure
Speaker 15: we're working with ICE to get our local jurisdictions and
Speaker 15: removing people who shouldn't be in Texas. So do your job,
Speaker 15: enforce the law, remove people, but challenge the laws that
Speaker 15: are interfering with our right to at least guarantee that
Speaker 15: only cyizens are voting. But right now, Congress should actually
Speaker 15: fix the damn law.
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Speaker 2: down what investigators are likely doing right now in the
Speaker 2: disappearance of Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie.
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Speaker 2: The disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, the mother of NBC host
Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie, continues to grip the nation. Breaking Tonight, the
Speaker 2: FBI is released new photos and videos of a possible suspect.
Speaker 2: As you can see on your screen.
Speaker 1: At home.
Speaker 2: Security footage shows a masked person and approaching the home
Speaker 2: on the front porch on the morning of her disappearance.
Speaker 2: The suspect appears to tamper with the security camera before
Speaker 2: covering the lens with shrubs. Savannah Guthrie reacted to the
Speaker 2: new images on social media, saying, someone out there recognizes
Speaker 2: this person. We still believe she is out there, bring
Speaker 2: her home. We've also gotten a report from the Associated
Speaker 2: Press that the FBI wasn't plugged into the communication Savannah
Speaker 2: Guthrie was having with the people seeking ransom payments. This
Speaker 2: is happening against the backdrop of Savannah Guthrie releasing heart
Speaker 2: wrenching messages to the abductor like this, We too have heard.
Speaker 10: The reports about a ransom letter in the media.
Speaker 5: We are ready to talk. We need to know.
Speaker 10: Without a doubt that she is alive and that you
Speaker 10: have her. We want to hear from you, and we
Speaker 10: are ready to listen. Please reach out to us.
Speaker 2: TMZ has been one of the media outlets receiving ransom demands.
Speaker 2: We got a sense from them that important deadlines are looming.
Speaker 16: This is Monday, and the deadline is today at five
Speaker 16: o'clock Tucson time, and the kidnappers made it very clear
Speaker 16: in the first ransom note which we received, the situation
Speaker 16: is dire if they are true to their words, if
Speaker 16: they don't get that ransom money at five o'clock today
Speaker 16: Tucson time.
Speaker 1: That deadline has since passed.
Speaker 2: TMZ says it is still not seen the demanded six
Speaker 2: million dollar deposit in the ransom sender's bitcoin account.
Speaker 16: We're not seeing a deposit, and we've been looking, obviously
Speaker 16: all day, and we looked at four o'clock our time,
Speaker 16: five o'clock twoson time, and we're not seeing it.
Speaker 2: A former FBI official publicly questioned whether the gu three
Speaker 2: disappearance is actually a straightforward kidnapping, suggesting that the situation
Speaker 2: might involve opportunistic third parties rather than just the kidnappers.
Speaker 17: She really is and I'm very skeptical of this. Is
Speaker 17: this really a kidnapping? Does somebody really have her? And
Speaker 17: is she really alive? And I don't think we have
Speaker 17: the answers to that question right now. If this is
Speaker 17: a kidnapping, it would be a very simple matter to
Speaker 17: authenticate and provide proof of life, asking her a question
Speaker 17: that only she would know the answer to, or asking
Speaker 17: her to provide some information that only she would know.
Speaker 17: And the fact that the family hasn't paid the rants
Speaker 17: of at this point tells me that they don't. They're
Speaker 17: not to that point where they think this is a
Speaker 17: credible authentication that they've had a credible authenticators.
Speaker 2: Joining us now retired FBI agent and former chief of
Speaker 2: the FBI National Academy, Michael Harrigan Chief. What does the
Speaker 2: duration of this investigation and exercise in defining misguth Thrie?
Speaker 2: What does it tell you about what's happening right now?
Speaker 18: Well, what you see today is the release of the
Speaker 18: video of a suspect that was at the front door,
Speaker 18: So you're looking at over a week later. Clearly the
Speaker 18: duration of this investigation has gotten to the point where
Speaker 18: a law enforcement feels it's beneficial to release this video
Speaker 18: for the point of having the public way in here
Speaker 18: and provide hopefully helpful leads and tips that can be
Speaker 18: turned into actionable intelligence leading to the discovery hopefully of
Speaker 18: Miscut three. But if not, the identification of who this
Speaker 18: individual is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder also sort of why it's taking
Speaker 2: so long if it is a ransom for payment, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, if I've never taken anyone and held them
Speaker 2: for ransom, but if I did, my goal would be
Speaker 2: to get the ransom payment and then not have the
Speaker 2: person hanging around as a dangling participle for problems later.
Speaker 2: Is it typical that the rhythm of this would carry
Speaker 2: on for weeks rather than days.
Speaker 7: No, I think it's very unusual.
Speaker 18: I think you pointed astutey pointed that out, is that
Speaker 18: the whole point of a kidnapping, if there's a financial motive,
Speaker 18: is to quickly get payment so then you can be
Speaker 18: done with the person, release them, and you go about
Speaker 18: your business, you know, spending the money you got. But
Speaker 18: here what you have is you have what appears to
Speaker 18: be a lack of contact from the kidnappers to the family,
Speaker 18: to law enforcement, at least from what we know that's
Speaker 18: out in the public ground here. Is it lends to
Speaker 18: the credibility here of some that are saying, well, there
Speaker 18: could have been other motivations besides this, or that those
Speaker 18: notes that did come in may have been unverified and
Speaker 18: may have been from people had nothing to do with this,
Speaker 18: that we're simply looking for some type of financial gain here.
Speaker 2: I really think that's the big question, whether or not
Speaker 2: we're in an active hostage negotiation or whether the third
Speaker 2: parties are trying to make the guth Three family and
Speaker 2: the rest.
Speaker 1: Of us believe that.
Speaker 2: I was surprised to see the announcement from law enforcement
Speaker 2: that they had no suspect and that they had no
Speaker 2: person of interest. Does it give the abductor of Missus
Speaker 2: Guthrie an advantage when law enforcement reveals that concession.
Speaker 18: Well, you have to look at these kind of cases.
Speaker 18: These cases are unlike other kind of cases where you
Speaker 18: have a victim who's taken alive, we think at this
Speaker 18: point is being held. So the investigative techniques and all
Speaker 18: the tactics that law enforcement use are very different than
Speaker 18: other cases because ultimately what has to happen here, the
Speaker 18: goal is to get Miss Guthrie back alive so she
Speaker 18: can rejoin her loved ones. That's the sole focus here
Speaker 18: of this case. Obviously the kidnappers are a link to
Speaker 18: Miss Guthrie, but to have this go on this law.
Speaker 3: Is unusual in these cases.
Speaker 18: And also what law enforcement is releasing is very measured,
Speaker 18: and there's a tactic behind what they release, which is
Speaker 18: to get to Missus Guthrie. So what we see see
Speaker 18: through the media, what we see being released is a
Speaker 18: very small sliver of what the investigators have at this
Speaker 18: point and what they might be working on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what do you think that work would entail
Speaker 2: right now? Would you suspect that investigators were going through
Speaker 2: signals intelligence, sweeping the neighborhood, looking at ring cameras. What
Speaker 2: are the tactics and methods that you think would be
Speaker 2: most helpful to bring Missus Guthrie home and ascertain who
Speaker 2: took her?
Speaker 18: I think right away, you know, when a person goes
Speaker 18: missing like this under these circumstances, the primary method of
Speaker 18: investigations quickly interview all those around her to try to
Speaker 18: find out facts and circumstances that could lead to her whereabouts.
Speaker 18: Then they branch off into the electronic, the signal intelligence
Speaker 18: and other things to try to figure out if there
Speaker 18: were people in the proximity of her who.
Speaker 5: Was in the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: And then as the case goes longer.
Speaker 18: Here now, what they're starting to do is probably likely
Speaker 18: is working through a mountain of leads that are coming
Speaker 18: in from the public, because you know, the news media
Speaker 18: coverage of this has been excellent. This publicity, which isn't
Speaker 18: typical for most kidnappings, This is great publicity and works
Speaker 18: in the favor of the family here in that it
Speaker 18: gets more people in the public aware of this case,
Speaker 18: aware of.
Speaker 7: Developments, especially this video.
Speaker 18: Now they can see a picture of the person, and
Speaker 18: the potential of somebody out there seeing something, noticing this
Speaker 18: person the way he walks or whatever else moves, what
Speaker 18: he's wearing can only be good in matter that it
Speaker 18: could lead to other tips coming in that law enforcement
Speaker 18: can then go ahead and chase down.
Speaker 2: Which begs the question why this is being released, you know,
Speaker 2: so many days after the initial abduction. I think it
Speaker 2: was a really smart point you made earlier. It's either
Speaker 2: helpful or not to release this. If it was helpful,
Speaker 2: it would have been more helpful earlier. I want to
Speaker 2: get to these messages that have been released by Savannah Guthrie.
Speaker 2: They seem very intentional. She uses langug wage like we
Speaker 2: want to celebrate again. This is the only way we
Speaker 2: can have peace. My assumption is Missus Guthrie is not
Speaker 2: releasing those messages without some collaboration with law enforcement. But
Speaker 2: we've also seen reports that she's communicated with some of
Speaker 2: these ransom demanders in the absence of law enforcement. How
Speaker 2: does law enforcement deal with the information flow in such
Speaker 2: a high profile case like this, Well.
Speaker 18: It's tricky because you know, ultimately here the victims family,
Speaker 18: which is you know, Missus Guthrie and the other children
Speaker 18: of the victim here, you know they have a vested
Speaker 18: interest in getting their mother back. So law enforcement can
Speaker 18: do everything they can do, and they can give them
Speaker 18: all the advice they want, but at the end of
Speaker 18: the day, they're the ones that are suffering here, So
Speaker 18: they could take measures on their own good intention to
Speaker 18: reach out to whoever they want and pay whoever they want.
Speaker 18: That's that's that's something that's it's it's something that is
Speaker 18: an option for them. The problem here, and the reason
Speaker 18: why you know law enforce that works so closely with
Speaker 18: these victims, the families, is the communication has to be
Speaker 18: carefully crafted because what you're trying to do is you're
Speaker 18: trying to get the kidnappers to contact the family, to
Speaker 18: get that dialogue going directly, because when the dialogue goes,
Speaker 18: then so too comes potentially proof of life, which is
Speaker 18: at the core here of these communications. You got to
Speaker 18: know she's alive, but.
Speaker 3: We don't want the action.
Speaker 2: That's weird right to be this deep into this type
Speaker 2: of a thing and not have a proof of life.
Speaker 2: The absence of a proof of life tells us a
Speaker 2: lot about I think where the investigation stands. The absence
Speaker 2: of proof of life, the absence of a lead, the
Speaker 2: failure to secure the crime scene, the failure to timely
Speaker 2: release information of the public.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot going on here.
Speaker 2: Michael Harrigan, former FBI agent and former chief at the
Speaker 2: FBI National Academy, thank you so much for joining us
Speaker 2: and lending your expertise to the discussion.
Speaker 3: You're welcome.
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Speaker 2: are urban mountain lions in the United States. We'll discuss
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Speaker 2: Did you know there are urban mountain lions in the
Speaker 2: United States? Yeah, it's a thing, and there are way
Speaker 2: more of them than you think. Four thousand mountain lions
Speaker 2: live in California, and about fifteen hundred of them are
Speaker 2: in some of the most populated areas in the entire country,
Speaker 2: from San Francisco to where we are now in San Diego.
Speaker 2: Wildlife officials recently captured a young mountain lion that had
Speaker 2: wandered into the middle of downtown San Francisco. After spending
Speaker 2: about thirty hours in the city, it was safely tranquilized
Speaker 2: and will be released back into wild habitat. But thirty
Speaker 2: hours in San Francisco can be dangerous for any living thing,
Speaker 2: especially a mountain lion. You're still more likely to be
Speaker 2: killed by dogs in California or even lightning, but there
Speaker 2: was a fatal lion attack in twenty twenty, and while
Speaker 2: the attacks are rare, they can be devastating. Mountain lions
Speaker 2: are basically the same cat I call the Florida panther,
Speaker 2: and in Naples, Florida panthers have had increasing interactions with humans.
Speaker 2: Lions don't eat trash or human food like bears. They're
Speaker 2: strictly carnivorous hunters. Roads, freeways, housing developments, and infrastructure create
Speaker 2: barriers and limit mountain lion movement. It reduces gene flow
Speaker 2: and can isolate populations. Researchers and wildlife agencies are studying
Speaker 2: connectivity and potential crossings to help mitigate these urban effects.
Speaker 2: So can urban lions live in the United States with
Speaker 2: the right protections or are we destined to see these
Speaker 2: great cats vanish from our lands? Joining us Now Animal
Speaker 2: Wellness Action founder and Wayne Piselli. Wayne I was shocked
Speaker 2: to learn how many mountain lions are very close to
Speaker 2: urban centers and humans. How can urban communities adopt best
Speaker 2: practices to deal with this phenomenon?
Speaker 9: Garsman, What's amazing is that lions live in the midst
Speaker 9: of human settlements. I mean, you're talking about San Francisco,
Speaker 9: you're talking about Los Angeles, you're talking about Santa Clara County.
Speaker 7: Perhaps four thousand mountain.
Speaker 9: Lions live in California, and some of the folks who
Speaker 9: want to harm lions really talk about, oh, there's such
Speaker 9: a threat, there's such a menace.
Speaker 7: What's amazing to me is that they live with us.
Speaker 9: They live around the corner, and we hardly even see them,
Speaker 9: no mind are threatened by them.
Speaker 7: I think we just have to be alert. But they
Speaker 7: know that we're a threat, they stay away from us.
Speaker 2: I have seen Florida with the panther and California work
Speaker 2: on some wildlife crossings, some ways for the animals to.
Speaker 1: Move around are in your review?
Speaker 2: Are those successful at provide some relief to these populations
Speaker 2: and allowing gene flow?
Speaker 9: Well, I know you were a big advocate of Florida panthers.
Speaker 9: You know, just a few dozen of them, and Florida,
Speaker 9: like California, you know is cut up by settlement, it's
Speaker 9: cut up by roads.
Speaker 7: What's amazing it's the number of animals killed on the roads.
Speaker 9: I mean the number one threat to these lions in
Speaker 9: California is they're struck by vehicles. So, yes, these overpasses
Speaker 9: or underpasses give them an opportunity to cross these roads.
Speaker 9: Sometimes you're talking about six lane eight line eight lane highways.
Speaker 9: How are the animals going to get across there? I mean,
Speaker 9: the Los Angeles freeways are notorious for being immense human structures.
Speaker 9: This is the only way they can clearly get to
Speaker 9: the other side of the road.
Speaker 2: What do you think are the most effective strategies to
Speaker 2: prevent extinction? With the downward pressure on a lot of
Speaker 2: these populations and habitat loss roads all the I mean,
Speaker 2: we're not going to get rid of roads.
Speaker 1: And so what do you think we should do well?
Speaker 9: I think you know what happened in Florida, as you
Speaker 9: know because you worked on this issue, is Texas cougars
Speaker 9: were introduced into South Florida because there was such a
Speaker 9: genetic bottleneck. I mean, the panthers had kink tails and
Speaker 9: they had other indicators of inbreeding. We don't have that
Speaker 9: problem statewide in California, but you do have localized populations
Speaker 9: where literally a male lion cannot get past.
Speaker 7: The age of two years of age. Because there are
Speaker 7: so many threats.
Speaker 9: We have to understand that these animals are incredible, they're powerful,
Speaker 9: but they stay away from us. Give them space to live,
Speaker 9: don't shoot them, don't treat them just because there's a sighting. Oh,
Speaker 9: we get scared and then have to shoot the animal.
Speaker 9: There are forty million people in California, we have four
Speaker 9: thousand lions. Which species is the overpopulated one?
Speaker 1: What do you think is the prognosis here?
Speaker 2: Do you think that with good management practices we will
Speaker 2: be able to preserve mountain lions in the United States?
Speaker 2: Or are they a species destined for its extinction.
Speaker 9: Well, we're blessed in our country to so much public lands.
Speaker 9: One third of the two billion acres of the United
Speaker 9: States is public lands, Bureau Land Management lands, national for US,
Speaker 9: so we've.
Speaker 7: Got ample space.
Speaker 9: The problem in those areas is that hound hunters chase them,
Speaker 9: drive them up a tree, and shoot them out of
Speaker 9: the tree for a trophy. That's a huge threat on
Speaker 9: those lands. In terms of the settled lands where the
Speaker 9: lions just kind of eke out in existence. It's our roads,
Speaker 9: it's our development, it's nuisance killing. You know that people
Speaker 9: get fearful because there's a lion in the neighborhood and
Speaker 9: then they kill them. We've just got to understand that
Speaker 9: they deserve their place in our world as well.
Speaker 5: Amen.
Speaker 2: Animal Wellness Action Founder and president Wayne Piselli, Thanks for
Speaker 2: coming on the program.
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