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<v Speaker 1>Listen, it's something new.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything Trump does. I think you know leave during every day?

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<v Speaker 1>What do we have to do?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty five KARC the talk station atoh five Here fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five kr CD talk station. Happy Wednesday. Judg en Off

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<v Speaker 1>Alton about him in the hour has this case every Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm happy to welcome to the fifty five CARS

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<v Speaker 1>Morning Show. High State Senator George Lyon, currently serving his

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<v Speaker 1>second term of the High State Representative people of the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth Senate District covering the majority Butler County, elected by

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<v Speaker 1>his Senate College the Service Senate Minority Whip Majority rother

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<v Speaker 1>Whip for the one hundred and six thirty six General Assembly.

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<v Speaker 1>He previously served a couple of terms Ohio House of

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<v Speaker 1>Representatives and he's here in the fifty five kr SEE

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<v Speaker 1>Morning Show to talk about the Ohio budget bill. Mike

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<v Speaker 1>DeWine vetoed sixty seven provisions in the bill. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about that. Welcome back, Senator Lang. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a pleasure having you on the morning show.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Gabe, great to be back with you. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>having me my friend in sixty seven vetos. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>imagine that one of the last time you had to

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<v Speaker 2>sign something sixty seven times.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just fond memories of the two seconds

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<v Speaker 1>that Ronald Reagan had the line item veto and then

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court found it unconstitutional. We do have it

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<v Speaker 1>in the state of Ohio for whatever good or bad

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<v Speaker 1>it brings about, and it brought about some bad the

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<v Speaker 1>other day, Mike de Wines sort of revealing his true

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<v Speaker 1>nature politically. But let's start by congratulating you and our

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<v Speaker 1>other elected officials for capping the income tax at two

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<v Speaker 1>point seventy five percent flat for everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's been my number one objective since I

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<v Speaker 2>got up to the State House eight years ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>my ultimate goal is to eliminate the income tax all together. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it may take Micah a week or

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<v Speaker 2>two to get over his cramping hands and maybe corporal

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<v Speaker 2>tunnel syndromel set in. I don't know, but I feel

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<v Speaker 2>really really good about our odds of eliminating the income

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<v Speaker 2>tax altogether under a Governor Ramaswami.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, since the future governor of the state of Ohiaramaswami

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<v Speaker 1>was on my program yesterday, he embraced that concept completely.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked him about that very specific thing he said, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to eliminate the income tax completely. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>talk about creating a more competitive state. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be wonderful. It's going to be wonderful for the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike, it really is. And if you just look at

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<v Speaker 2>what happened in Ohio in the last fifty years, go

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<v Speaker 2>back with me to nineteen seventy. Not only was the

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<v Speaker 2>music a lot better back then, but in nineteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio itself was rock and rolling. We're making automobiles, tires,

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<v Speaker 2>consumer goods, steal We are the economic epicenter of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States of America. And fast forward to twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy, Ohio was the twelfth largest economy in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. In twenty twenty, Ohio became the twenty fourth

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<v Speaker 2>largest economy in the world. We're still slightly larger than Morocco, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're shadow of where we used to be. And Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, Brian. And in nineteen seventy, Brian, the average

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<v Speaker 2>Ohioan made ten percent more than the average American, Bryan.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty, the average Ohioan made twelve percent less

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<v Speaker 2>than the average American. And in nineteen seventy, we go

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<v Speaker 2>from twenty four congressmen to fifteen. What happened the income tax.

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<v Speaker 2>We put the income tax in in nineteen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 2>One tax after another, one regulation after another, Brian, we

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<v Speaker 2>started driving businesses away and people went to where the

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<v Speaker 2>jobs were. No state in America got their butt kicked

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<v Speaker 2>worst in Ohio in terms of congressional representation loss from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy to twenty twenty. By the way, last year,

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<v Speaker 2>the average Ohioan made four percent more than the average American.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guarantee you we're going to add a congressman

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate your optimism, sharing the optimism of vivek Ramaswami, he man.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you can't help but being thus and optimistic

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<v Speaker 1>about the future. When you talk to that guy, he

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<v Speaker 1>really is a cheerleader for the state in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, Ohio's future is bright. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>you just look at what does happened since we have

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<v Speaker 2>started lowering income sackers. Then it started about twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>We got real serious about it about eight years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and look what happened, Brian. Look at all the companies

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<v Speaker 2>coming back to Ohio, Amazon, Honda, Google, Ford andrew O,

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<v Speaker 2>Intel building the biggest chips factory, and the Galaxy right

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<v Speaker 2>here in Ohio. But what I'm more excited about, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>are the little guys. In the last six years, two

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<v Speaker 2>point one million startup businesses in Ohio, more than the

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<v Speaker 2>previous twenty years combined. Ohio. Last year, fourteen percent of

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<v Speaker 2>all startups in America were in Ohio. We are the

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<v Speaker 2>startup capital of the world. We're just not the state

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<v Speaker 2>to keep your business where the state to start it.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make us a state to grow it,

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it, and to stay here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and also to market itself. So those businesses that

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<v Speaker 1>are dealing with outrageous taxes and outrageous regulatory issues, that

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<v Speaker 1>they want to move to the state of Ohio, like

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<v Speaker 1>so many states are. So many companies did moving out

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<v Speaker 1>of New York and California. Now, speaking of that, I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that the governor, one of the vetos, he stripped

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<v Speaker 1>out the reins acts, reforms that would have strengthened legislative

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<v Speaker 1>oversight of these ridiculously costly regulations. This is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things Americans for Prosperity has its eye on. By

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<v Speaker 1>way of overriding the veto. Were you a little shocked

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<v Speaker 1>that he did that? And do you have any concept

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<v Speaker 1>of or any idea of knowing why Governor de Wine

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<v Speaker 1>pulled that particular one out.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe everything that Governor the Wine vetoed, his motives

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<v Speaker 2>were pure. I do believe he's a good man. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe I disagree with him often, but I believe his

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<v Speaker 2>motives were pure. But this one, I truly believe that

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<v Speaker 2>Governor de Wine thinks that government knows best. We had

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<v Speaker 2>a meeting with the Department of Taxation, with the director

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<v Speaker 2>and a few of their deputies, UH several years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>with several of my colleagues in the House of Representatives,

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<v Speaker 2>myself and Senator Johnson, and it was obvious that the

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<v Speaker 2>bureaucrats were in charge. They did not listen to a

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<v Speaker 2>thing we said. We did not intimidate them, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a simple fix that they could have made without

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<v Speaker 2>any legislative action, and they told us no. You know

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<v Speaker 2>that It's one of the problems with term limits, although

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<v Speaker 2>I fully support it, but term limits you end up

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<v Speaker 2>giving power to lobbyists and bureaucrats, at least lobbyists. I

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<v Speaker 2>understand their motive. It is the profit motive, a pure

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<v Speaker 2>and noble motive. But these bureaucrats, they scare me and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand their motive. And they are they are

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<v Speaker 2>They have way too much power and Columbus today.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they're not accountable to the people, as you point out,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're not elected, they don't have to run for reelection,

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<v Speaker 1>they get to make any decision they damn well please

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<v Speaker 1>and can well ignore the even just the concept of

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<v Speaker 1>representative democracy is he just pointed out in that one illustration.

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<v Speaker 1>So but I mean, whether his motives are pure or not,

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<v Speaker 1>he stripped out the rains reforms, which would put that

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<v Speaker 1>power right back in the hands of the legislative branch

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<v Speaker 1>where it belongs.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not as correct and then very disappointing.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So what is there a time frame to

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<v Speaker 1>override these vetos? I know everybody's on break right now,

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<v Speaker 1>Independence Day and otherwise, but are you gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>call people back to Columbus to vote on these or

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<v Speaker 1>can you kick the can down for the road for

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<v Speaker 1>a month or two and then vote on repeals? How

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<v Speaker 1>does this work, Senator?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Constitutionally, we have until the very last day of

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<v Speaker 2>this General Assembly, which would be December thirty first of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six. The reality is there are quite a

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<v Speaker 2>few things I think, at least speaking on behalf of

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate that you know, we we had a leadership

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<v Speaker 2>meet in and discussed a few things that we think

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<v Speaker 2>are important to override. You know, every single override has

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<v Speaker 2>to originate in the House. So no matter what we

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<v Speaker 2>do in the Senate, because this is a House bill,

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<v Speaker 2>it has to start in the House. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>simple to your answer to your question is, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>do have I believe the will for some VETO overrides.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we have the will to override all

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<v Speaker 2>the VETO overrides, but I think you will see us

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<v Speaker 2>do some. I don't think we'll be called back during

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<v Speaker 2>the summer. You know, everybody has summer plans. I have

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<v Speaker 2>recently been diagnosed with stage four colo rectal cancer. Some

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<v Speaker 2>treatments down in Tijuana and in July. And don't you

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<v Speaker 2>dare awe me. I'm not a woe with me kind

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<v Speaker 2>of guy. You cancer kind of guys. I'm taking I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna kick your ass again. That's that's that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for you man. That's a great attitude. To have,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not a woe me guy either. After I

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<v Speaker 1>got my parents a diagnosis, I'm playing that. I'm playing

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<v Speaker 1>the cards that I've been dealt. And you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot more people out there the deserving of

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<v Speaker 1>prayer and sympathy than Brian Thomas. So I appreciate your optimism,

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<v Speaker 1>but best to health to you and good luck with

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<v Speaker 1>the fight, my friend. I know you can beat it.

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<v Speaker 1>He vetoed a lot of the property tax reforms that

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<v Speaker 1>were in the bill as well, and we are in

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<v Speaker 1>desperate need a property tax reform, most notably seniors on

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<v Speaker 1>fixed incomes. They're getting tax right out of their houses.

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<v Speaker 2>Senator, you know it's it's not just seniors on fixed income.

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<v Speaker 2>It is many, many people that the property taxes have

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<v Speaker 2>been devastating to. And the original intent of the property

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<v Speaker 2>tax Mike, when it was original had passed right, you

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<v Speaker 2>had to vote on it, and keep in mind of

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<v Speaker 2>all property tax level levies stayed local. None of it

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<v Speaker 2>goes back to the state, but you had to vote

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<v Speaker 2>on it, and your property taxes, the amount you personally

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<v Speaker 2>paid would never go up unless you voted for another increase,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was a chance that would go down is

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<v Speaker 2>development and more homes were sold. But it was originally

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<v Speaker 2>said that it would never go up. Well, as we know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have bastardized that over the years and we have

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<v Speaker 2>a system now where when valuations are your property go up,

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<v Speaker 2>your property taxes go up commensurate with it. That was

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<v Speaker 2>never the intention of the when we originally allowed property taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>So we do need some reform so that every time

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<v Speaker 2>a school district, every time a municipality, a fire district,

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<v Speaker 2>a library, once more money, let them go to the people,

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<v Speaker 2>make their case and let them convince the voters why

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<v Speaker 2>they need more money. And you know, I do trust

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<v Speaker 2>these bolt and then the good people at the since

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<v Speaker 2>I public schools. But you know we can't just give

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<v Speaker 2>them these bonuses every three years that gotuations increase with

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<v Speaker 2>it has to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it should be a limit. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're voting for X amount and that's all you are

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<v Speaker 1>going to get. If your property tire, your valuation of

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<v Speaker 1>your property goes up, you know, a thousand percent or something.

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<v Speaker 1>The amount of money taken shouldn't go up in a

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<v Speaker 1>commensurate amount. It's capped at whatever was voted on in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of overall dollars, right, is that how we're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to have it here.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how we were supposed to have it here, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's how we put it into the budget. Now that

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<v Speaker 2>there were some that actually wanted to punish school districts

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<v Speaker 2>and make it retroactive, I was not amongst those, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that it was the right thing to

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<v Speaker 2>do to cost make sure the school district's a loss

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<v Speaker 2>of money as a result of this, but just to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure they didn't get a windfall as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I understand where you're coming from, because they

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<v Speaker 1>acted in reliance on what they expected to come in

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<v Speaker 1>and they planned accordingly, So to tell them it's taken

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<v Speaker 1>away would put a lot of districts in a rather

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<v Speaker 1>precarious position. So I understand where you're coming from on

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<v Speaker 1>that one.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing on education, he vetoed the educational

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<v Speaker 2>savings account would allow some non chartered Christian schools for

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<v Speaker 2>lack of a better term, participate in the voucher program.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very disappointed in that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's one that I find rather inexplicable as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I thought he was a school choice kind

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<v Speaker 1>of leaning guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, and there is a great Montssory School

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<v Speaker 2>up in Liberty Township that does a wonderful job educating kids,

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<v Speaker 2>not indoctrinating them, but truly teaching them how to think,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not able to participate in it. With this budget,

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<v Speaker 2>they would be allowed to participate in the program, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Governor's vetoed that is one of the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>I hope my colleagues take up as a priority for

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<v Speaker 2>an overriding.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I suppose in terms of what my listening

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<v Speaker 1>audience can do being get in touch with the representatives

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<v Speaker 1>and tester them about bringing these to the floor for

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<v Speaker 1>a vote, so you'll have an opportunity to vote on

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<v Speaker 1>its Senator.

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<v Speaker 2>That is correct, yep. And it's got to start in

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<v Speaker 2>the House of Representatives. Call all your local house members

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<v Speaker 2>and encourage in to take up the charge for the

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<v Speaker 2>v tail overriding.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Especially, I would argue that RAINS Act, the

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<v Speaker 1>Education Savings accounts, any property tax reforms. We desperately need

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<v Speaker 1>that out here in the real world. Well, I'll look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to I guess this will be a piecemeal kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. You can pick off one at a time

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<v Speaker 1>and over the period of time that you have, which

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<v Speaker 1>is basically about what eighteen months or a year and

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<v Speaker 1>a half or so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that is correct. You know, keep in mind

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<v Speaker 2>we need sixty percent of the vote in order to

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<v Speaker 2>do an override. So I think there would be a

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<v Speaker 2>mistake for us to try to do too many at

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<v Speaker 2>one understood, because you know, there are certain things that

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<v Speaker 2>some of my colleagues, if they were left alone, would

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<v Speaker 2>be a no vote on, and you know, the budget overall,

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<v Speaker 2>usually you can get people to vote for things that

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<v Speaker 2>they don't like in the budget. I have never voted

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<v Speaker 2>for a budget that I liked everything that was in it.

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<v Speaker 2>But as long as we continue in lowering taxes, lowering regulations,

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<v Speaker 2>bringing businesses back, making Ohio more prosperous, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>vote yes on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Senator George Lang, it has been a pleasure talking with you.

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<v Speaker 1>We show all the best in the world with your

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<v Speaker 1>really optimistic about that, and that's where it really starts,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend. I look forward to having you back on

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<v Speaker 1>the program to talk about well future legislations, the repeals,

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<v Speaker 1>the votes, and anything else going on to the state.

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<v Speaker 1>About how you know you have a welcome spot here

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning. Should have passed long information to the listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Brian, and you have a great day, my friend.

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