Speaker 1: Today, I want to welcome back to the show writer Lee.
Speaker 1: He is a filmmaker, researcher, and host of Raised by
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Speaker 1: As I was telling you before, another banging job with
Speaker 1: this documentary, it's a deep analysis of historical special access
Speaker 1: programs and the hidden operations within, like remote viewing and
Speaker 1: psychic splying, which eventually led to creation of institutions like
Speaker 1: Gate the Gifted and Talented program. I really enjoyed the film.
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Speaker 1: What was it particularly that brought you to start diving
Speaker 1: into the topics that you feature in the film, Well.
Speaker 2: That's really a roundabout path. I started digging into the
Speaker 2: mk Ultra programs because back brown three or four years ago,
Speaker 2: maybe even earlier than that, I started really digging through
Speaker 2: the mk ultra files, the one hundred and forty nine subprojects,
Speaker 2: which we just had a hearing on mk ultra here recently,
Speaker 2: and I started reading through all the files, the ones
Speaker 2: that we have access to, because it's been reported that
Speaker 2: a lot of them were destroyed, and there were supposedly
Speaker 2: upwards of three to four hundred subprojects, but that can't
Speaker 2: be verified. So all we have is the one hundred
Speaker 2: and forty nine subprojects that we have access to that
Speaker 2: have been declassified, and I started standing through those and
Speaker 2: I realized that several of them had to do with
Speaker 2: ESP and psychic research such as a sub Project eighty
Speaker 2: three and sub Project one thirty six, which we show
Speaker 2: in the movie Psyche ag. The GATE program has to
Speaker 2: do directly with testing psychic abilities on children. That's what
Speaker 2: Subproject one six is really about. And then you have
Speaker 2: MK Ultra Subproject one O two, which is essentially a
Speaker 2: summer camp project where the CIA was literally collecting data
Speaker 2: on one hundred, four hundred and sixty two children. So
Speaker 2: when I was looking at that, I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: I know that the government had a psychic spy program
Speaker 2: where they were using psychics to essentially find out information
Speaker 2: on foreign targets during the Cold War. And then I
Speaker 2: got all of those documents. Someone had from the DoD
Speaker 2: sent me a CD of all the documents that they had.
Speaker 2: I got an old computer, I really hold computer, because
Speaker 2: no computers disk drives anymore. I found a really old
Speaker 2: computer was able to put the CD into the computer
Speaker 2: and upload and then transfer all those files onto a
Speaker 2: hard drive. Read through the mall got a really good
Speaker 2: idea of what was going on and how it developed,
Speaker 2: and how it all started and where the research started
Speaker 2: with SRI. But then I found out that it started
Speaker 2: even before then with the Duke University Mind Science Foundation
Speaker 2: and many other institutes in colleges before SRI was ever
Speaker 2: in the picture. And then I started reaching out to
Speaker 2: some of the remote viewers that are in the Stargate project,
Speaker 2: like Lim Buchanan Angela Ford, which are both in the
Speaker 2: movie along with Dale Graf. He wasn't a remote viewer,
Speaker 2: but he was the operations manager and director of the
Speaker 2: Stargate Remote Viewing Unit. But it was really important for
Speaker 2: me to nail down that history because there's never really
Speaker 2: been a comprehensive history of the program. It's you know,
Speaker 2: people have an idea of how it started. I mean,
Speaker 2: even if you look it up on Google or on Wikipedia,
Speaker 2: it's just all over the place. You can't make sense
Speaker 2: of it. It's just there's so much going on between
Speaker 2: the name changes and transferring from the DIA to Army Intelligence,
Speaker 2: from Army Intelligence back to the IA. So it was
Speaker 2: really a big puzzle that I had to unravel, and
Speaker 2: I think that I did a really good job in
Speaker 2: doing that. I mean, of course people let me know,
Speaker 2: but the people that are in the movie, the actual
Speaker 2: remote viewers, and they haven't corrected me on anything or
Speaker 2: said no that didn't happen or whatever. So I'm guessing
Speaker 2: that I got it all right, and it's all according
Speaker 2: to declassified unclassified documents, and we also showed the documents
Speaker 2: as I'm talking about it. Well, that's kind of where
Speaker 2: I really began. I've really been collecting information and data
Speaker 2: and talking with people on my show and getting bureau
Speaker 2: footage for a really long time on this, probably around
Speaker 2: three to four years. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, Well, like I said, you had a great history
Speaker 1: of those programs. Maybe we could go through a brief
Speaker 1: timeline of the series of programs which led to the
Speaker 1: Gate program.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a really complicated history, but according to the documents,
Speaker 2: it really started when the CIA funded research to SRI
Speaker 2: in the early seventies and they had many psychics that
Speaker 2: they were working with, including pot Price, Ingo Swan. Jury
Speaker 2: Dollar was in there as well. They kind of rooted
Speaker 2: him out. They believed that he was a masade agent,
Speaker 2: so he was no longer able to continue. But again,
Speaker 2: we were doing studies on this at you know, on
Speaker 2: parapsychology prior to Sri Duke University in the thirties was
Speaker 2: a study on indigenous school children in Canada and also
Speaker 2: within the United States Parapsychology Foundation in New York in
Speaker 2: the fifties, Mind Science Foundation in the sixties, and many
Speaker 2: other research institutes and foundations and centers earlier than SRI
Speaker 2: was doing this. So the CIA was basically funding that,
Speaker 2: and they were funding research up until seventy five, whenever
Speaker 2: Pat Price kind of ceremoniously strangely died in a hotel
Speaker 2: room and which I kind of under the impression that
Speaker 2: he didn't really die, that he was just taken into
Speaker 2: a Blacker project, which is kind of the entire basis
Speaker 2: and the foundation of the movie is, you know, did
Speaker 2: the program really shut down in ninety five or did
Speaker 2: it just change and turn into something else? Did they
Speaker 2: find another use for remote viewing? Was there another thing
Speaker 2: that they could be using it for other than collection
Speaker 2: and data collection on foreign targets and you know, getting
Speaker 2: the Cold War information on what other countries were doing,
Speaker 2: which turned out to be pretty successful. And then it
Speaker 2: switched around between Army Intelligence and DA starting in seventy eight,
Speaker 2: and I went back and forth between them. Programs were opened,
Speaker 2: programs were closed, programs were combined, and then it ultimately
Speaker 2: we landed in the DAS hands in nineteen eighty five. A.
Speaker 2: Dell Graph was responsible for saving the program at that point,
Speaker 2: and he became the operations manager in the early nineties
Speaker 2: and renamed it. It was time to change the code
Speaker 2: word again of the program, and he renamed it the Stargate.
Speaker 2: So that's just it's way more complicated. Yeah, yeah, than that.
Speaker 2: I just give you a really brief overview. But the way,
Speaker 2: there's way more to that, and we really get into
Speaker 2: that in the first hour of the movie. But that's
Speaker 2: just a really brief overview of.
Speaker 1: It based on the information that was provided from the
Speaker 1: people that you have featured in the film, the remote viewers.
Speaker 1: Do you think that remote viewing could essentially be seen
Speaker 1: as the same thing as astral travel or out of
Speaker 1: body experience? Are they at least linked in some way?
Speaker 2: Well, according to several of the early remote viewers and
Speaker 2: also according to Angela Ford, which she says in the
Speaker 2: documentary that being outside of your body and having an
Speaker 2: astral experience, having an out of body experience is the
Speaker 2: most advanced form of remote viewing and several of the
Speaker 2: early remote viewers, like Ingo Swan, we talk about being
Speaker 2: outside of his body a lot whenever he was younger
Speaker 2: Angela Ford the same exact thing, so it's not required
Speaker 2: in order to remote view. And that's another thing about
Speaker 2: it is that it's difficult to control out of body experiences.
Speaker 2: For a lot of people, it happens under immense trauma
Speaker 2: normally whenever they're young, they or you can be at
Speaker 2: really at any age, you disassociate and you get outside
Speaker 2: of your body. There's other ways to do it, which
Speaker 2: is with the Hemi sink Monroe Institute Gateway tapes, which
Speaker 2: is the Hemi sync process that if you do it
Speaker 2: long enough then you can essentially get outside of your body.
Speaker 2: But in Army Intelligence sent a lot of their Army
Speaker 2: personnel to the monro Institute to study under Robert Monroe
Speaker 2: on how to possibly get outside of their body to
Speaker 2: try and see if it would help with remote viewing.
Speaker 2: But there are several techniques and several ways to get
Speaker 2: outside of your body. But it is connected in many
Speaker 2: different ways, not only by name. And it was important
Speaker 2: to distinguish between all these programs because all the programs
Speaker 2: have gate and then stargate the remote viewing unit and
Speaker 2: fort meeting the Gateway project or the Gateway program, which
Speaker 2: was the Monroe Institute HEMI SYNC. Then you have the
Speaker 2: Gate Gifted and Talented Education that was happening in public
Speaker 2: school with children. So it's easy to really confuse a
Speaker 2: lot of these and mix them all together and one
Speaker 2: big stew and stir it up and then think that
Speaker 2: you know that the Gate program was the Stargate program,
Speaker 2: and that the Gateway program was also the Stargate program,
Speaker 2: and as the Gate program, So it's like this, it's
Speaker 2: and I think that they do that on purpose, right.
Speaker 2: They name a lot of these things very similar names
Speaker 2: so that it's very difficult to figure it out. Or
Speaker 2: they'll name some sort of technology, and then when you
Speaker 2: throw in all the things that's been named Stargate, like
Speaker 2: Stargate SG one, like all the movies that are named Stargate,
Speaker 2: and then whenever you got Trump into office back in
Speaker 2: office in twenty twenty four, the first thing that he
Speaker 2: announced was Stargate AI. So there's a lot of muddying
Speaker 2: of the waters when it comes to these types of programs,
Speaker 2: and they do this all the time, Like with looking Glass.
Speaker 2: I think we've mentioned this before on the show, how
Speaker 2: Operation looking Glass is actually a nuclear command post in
Speaker 2: space that in case nuclear command is destroyed on the ground.
Speaker 2: Then they have one like a platform in space that
Speaker 2: they can launch nukes from space. And that's been confused
Speaker 2: with You know, you got Alice through the looking Glass.
Speaker 2: You know, you have the looking Glass movie. So whenever
Speaker 2: you type in looking Glass, you just get all of
Speaker 2: this other you get movies and TV shows and Alice
Speaker 2: in Wonderland and everything. So you literally have to type
Speaker 2: in Operation looking Glass and then you'll get the real programs.
Speaker 2: So it's a way to disguise a bunch of real
Speaker 2: stuff within fiction and within other things that have been
Speaker 2: named Ye, the same.
Speaker 1: Thing you also featured lind Buchanan, another CIA remote viewer.
Speaker 1: I had him on the show a while back and
Speaker 1: I asked him the same question you asked in the film,
Speaker 1: and he gave me pretty much the same response. You
Speaker 1: asked him if it was essentially possible to harm someone
Speaker 1: through these remote influencing processes, and he didn't really want
Speaker 1: to answer the question, but later on he said that
Speaker 1: people can be remote influenced in certain ways, that certain
Speaker 1: messages can be implanted into the minds remotely, something along
Speaker 1: those lines. So that kind of connects as very similar things.
Speaker 1: In my perspective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was kind of the goal, is to
Speaker 2: get to what the program turned into. And that's what
Speaker 2: I believe that the program. He didn't want to say it.
Speaker 2: He alluded to it. He alluded to the fact that
Speaker 2: there may have possibly been a remote influencing unit ran
Speaker 2: by the government, but he didn't come out and flat
Speaker 2: out say it. So, but I am very confident that
Speaker 2: either before Stargate or after Stargate was closed down, there
Speaker 2: was some form of remote influencing unit. I mean, they
Speaker 2: asked him if he could kill Osama bin Laden with
Speaker 2: his mind, and he said, yeah, he could do it,
Speaker 2: but he wouldn't do it right. Yeah, he's Fidel castro Gorbachev,
Speaker 2: you know all these people. Can you influence him of
Speaker 2: the drop communism? You know, it's very I believe. I
Speaker 2: believe that it's one percent real. And there's actually a
Speaker 2: document that I briefly showed in the movie. I didn't
Speaker 2: show the entire full document because it's actually a really
Speaker 2: rare document. A lot of the people that were in
Speaker 2: the program really don't even have access to it or
Speaker 2: even know that it exists. But it's a document from
Speaker 2: ad May that talks about the steps and the process
Speaker 2: that you go through in order to remote influence people.
Speaker 2: It has a list of steps.
Speaker 1: Moving to the Gate program a bit what was done
Speaker 1: in mk Ultra was discovered in mk Ultra most likely
Speaker 1: through experimentation on children of intelligence operatives and others that
Speaker 1: were in that mk Ultra program. They realized that children
Speaker 1: were much more open to psychic phenomena, and instead of
Speaker 1: torturing people's children and taking them or abducting them or
Speaker 1: using intelligence children, they can have everyday people volunteer their
Speaker 1: own kids to go into these programs.
Speaker 2: Right, That's exactly right, and you're one percent correct and
Speaker 2: saying that the mk Ultra programs kind of influenced these
Speaker 2: programs because we talk about in the Clockwork Shining at
Speaker 2: Kubric's Odyssey three, which was my prior film, you and
Speaker 2: Cameron in Canada developed this program called psychic driving, and
Speaker 2: this is when the mk Ultra programs got shuffled into Canada.
Speaker 2: Some of the sub projects. In order to stay out
Speaker 2: of the prying eyes of the American people, they just
Speaker 2: took exported them to other countries and he would do
Speaker 2: this thing called psychic driving, which was he would essentially
Speaker 2: drug the individual. He would then traumatize them into deep
Speaker 2: patterning them, which is getting rid of all rational and
Speaker 2: cognitive thought. And then you would bring in a looped
Speaker 2: audio message with headphones and repeat the same message over
Speaker 2: and over. This to program them after they've been disassociated,
Speaker 2: and to program them with a specific message which is
Speaker 2: basically identical to what people claim has happened to them
Speaker 2: in the gay program. The Gifted and Talented, not the
Speaker 2: Stargate program, the gifted and talented public school program where
Speaker 2: children were taken out of the classroom by a guy
Speaker 2: that they didn't know in a suit and essentially experimented
Speaker 2: on every day every week. You know, this is different
Speaker 2: than a standard test that because some people have tried
Speaker 2: to say that, oh, this was just standard, everybody went
Speaker 2: through this. No, they didn't mean you could have went
Speaker 2: through it to a certain extent, like with a president's
Speaker 2: physical fitness test or the health department coming and giving
Speaker 2: you a fluoride mouth rents once every quarter or once
Speaker 2: every year. But that's not what I'm talking about. This
Speaker 2: is a different program that happened very frequently, and it
Speaker 2: was only for a select group of children that had
Speaker 2: been deemed to be gifted and talented. And where a
Speaker 2: lot of the starts was in nineteen fifty eight, when
Speaker 2: the United States launched its first satellite in the space,
Speaker 2: called Explorer one in nineteen fifty eight, just a little
Speaker 2: while after Russia had launched their satellite Sputnech in the space.
Speaker 2: And a lot of things happened in nineteen fifty eight,
Speaker 2: just like a lot of things happened in nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 2: But nineteen fifty eight was when DARPA was established. NASA
Speaker 2: was established in nineteen fifty eight. Government first became involved
Speaker 2: with the public school system in nineteen fifty eight, sponsored
Speaker 2: by the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds. The roth Child's is
Speaker 2: basically how we got a lot of those school books
Speaker 2: in public school.
Speaker 1: Gate funded by the government or the Department of Education,
Speaker 1: do you know offhand?
Speaker 2: Many people believe that it was sponsored and funded by
Speaker 2: the CIA. But the issue with that is it's difficult
Speaker 2: to find out funding sources. Now there are just straight
Speaker 2: up gate schools. Yeah, that's not a special class that
Speaker 2: you would be pulled out of every day or every
Speaker 2: week or whatever. It is, like, there are literal just
Speaker 2: gifted and talented schools. That's just four children that have
Speaker 2: been deemed to be gifted and talented. So here's a
Speaker 2: really interesting Epstein connection to a lot of this, right
Speaker 2: because the Rothschilds are involved, and Epstein basically represented the
Speaker 2: entire Rothchild family. So when the Rothchilds needed to take
Speaker 2: over Wall Street, they did it by sending somebody to
Speaker 2: New York City to oversee the purchase of mcmellan Inc.
Speaker 2: Now mcmellan Inc. Was a media company that would later
Speaker 2: be known and renamed McGraw hill, which McGraw hill is
Speaker 2: responsible for most of the elementary school textbooks in America
Speaker 2: that kids were raised on and taught in public school.
Speaker 2: And the person that they sent to do that was
Speaker 2: Robert Maxwell, Gasleen Maxwell's dad. Robert Maxwell was working for
Speaker 2: the Rothschilds. He was like their main guy. And when
Speaker 2: Maxwell would die on his job because he owed money
Speaker 2: to Massad and he also owed money to the Rothschild
Speaker 2: family and the Rothchild family through the Bank of England
Speaker 2: connected to the Maxwell running it was basically working for them,
Speaker 2: running your corporate black mal schemes throughout the entire world,
Speaker 2: funded by Massad and by England. And when he died,
Speaker 2: Epstein and Gasleen were to take over his position. Epstein
Speaker 2: had just been introduced what six months prior to Robert
Speaker 2: Maxwell's death. He was only introduced to Maxwell six months
Speaker 2: before he died, right, Epstein was his replacement. So then
Speaker 2: after that Epstein and Gasleen would go on to infiltrate
Speaker 2: and do everything that Maxwell was doing. And we know
Speaker 2: this through Alan what's his name, Alan Dershowitz, Epstein's lawyer,
Speaker 2: had been introduced to Jeffrey Epstein in the early and
Speaker 2: there's emails of this and even him talking about it
Speaker 2: in the early nineties by Lord and Lady Rothschild. And
Speaker 2: there's also an email in Epstein files sent over by
Speaker 2: Epstein to Peter Teel saying that, as you know, I
Speaker 2: represent and work for the Rothschild family. Right, So we
Speaker 2: have the Rothschild's basically funding the educational system in America,
Speaker 2: and then we have the Rockefeller Foundation funding psychic and
Speaker 2: esp research and major universities across the United States. In
Speaker 2: the early thirties, at Duke University by psychologist Carl Zender
Speaker 2: and along with GB Ryan, they developed this to lepathy
Speaker 2: card game, which would go on to test indigenous school
Speaker 2: children in Canada as well in the United States, and
Speaker 2: this was This is a very real thing. You can
Speaker 2: google it. It's called the Zender Cards. It's a very
Speaker 2: real the lepathy card game that a lot of people
Speaker 2: in the Gate program remember doing as children. They would
Speaker 2: essentially set this up and they would, you know, have
Speaker 2: the all the flash cards face down and the teacher
Speaker 2: would look at one card and then the would ask
Speaker 2: the student what shape is on the card without seeing
Speaker 2: the card. Now, so all this stuff is it's connected.
Speaker 2: And if you think about how many kids have been
Speaker 2: through this, how many kids have been through the Gate
Speaker 2: program since the sixties, right, And in the seventh these
Speaker 2: parents got really upset because they were starting to find
Speaker 2: out that the school had been you know, taking them
Speaker 2: out of the classroom and putting them into this this
Speaker 2: special class without their knowledge. They didn't you know, sign
Speaker 2: off on end. Then whenever they tried to go to
Speaker 2: the school to get their child's school records, that were
Speaker 2: denied access to their child's school records. And they and
Speaker 2: they found out that the reason that they were denied
Speaker 2: is because the CIA had access to all of them.
Speaker 2: CIA was storing all that had all the record files
Speaker 2: on every single child from preschool, all in a giant database.
Speaker 2: So they did this thing to try and enact a
Speaker 2: law that stripped the CIA of the ability to get
Speaker 2: access to the child's school records by enacting this law
Speaker 2: called FURPA, and which essentially would give the parents back
Speaker 2: the access to their child school records. But the CIA
Speaker 2: slipped an amendment into FURPA which allowed them to continue
Speaker 2: to get kids school records. And then they started changing
Speaker 2: means of the programs from the standard gate program to
Speaker 2: different acronyms that confused everyone. Right, they would change it
Speaker 2: to tag talented and gifted focus fostering originality and creativity
Speaker 2: and understanding and self awareness. So they started changing all
Speaker 2: of the names of the programs and so that they
Speaker 2: could still get access to the disguising it so they
Speaker 2: could still get access to the child school records.
Speaker 1: Cias masters of rebranding. As it relates to my limited
Speaker 1: experience with gifted and talented, going back to the recruiting methods,
Speaker 1: I was initially tested and I must have failed miserably
Speaker 1: because there was nothing further done with me. As it
Speaker 1: relates to gifted and talented, I just remember certain people
Speaker 1: coming in one day and giving everyone in my class
Speaker 1: the Gate test that would dictate whether or not they
Speaker 1: would be inducted into these programs, the after school programs,
Speaker 1: whatever else they were doing. But like I said, I
Speaker 1: must not have scored high enough, or I just didn't
Speaker 1: give a shit at the time and I intentionally flunked it.
Speaker 1: Either way, I was not moved further into the programs.
Speaker 1: But it does seem as far as recruitment, they do
Speaker 1: attempt a blanket recruitment throughout the school system. Would you
Speaker 1: say that's accurate.
Speaker 2: Just because you didn't go further into the program doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that you weren't used. That doesn't mean that you
Speaker 2: weren't programmed to possibly be doing exactly what it is
Speaker 2: that you're doing right now. It's a possibility. I'm not saying.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that's true, right right, I'm just
Speaker 2: saying that it's a possibility. They would use people that
Speaker 2: you would think would have no reason to be used.
Speaker 1: And that gets to the heart of the entire program.
Speaker 2: It does. It really does, because they could be looking
Speaker 2: for anyone, not just to put into politics, not just
Speaker 2: to put into high positions of power, not just the
Speaker 2: editor at the New York Times, not just you know,
Speaker 2: the an entertainer, but they can be literally looking for
Speaker 2: anyone and everyone to fulfill an agenda in the future
Speaker 2: and program them to then fulfill that agenda, and you
Speaker 2: wouldn't even know that would be the entire goal of
Speaker 2: the program is to subtly and covertly convince people that
Speaker 2: everything that happened in their life is organic when it wasn't,
Speaker 2: and it all happened for a reason because they were
Speaker 2: pushing you in that direction of where they wanted you
Speaker 2: to go and to serve out their agenda. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that everyone that has happened too, but I
Speaker 2: do believe that they are. They're looking for the next
Speaker 2: Greta Thomberg too, you know what I mean, These people
Speaker 2: that just kind of pop up out of nowhere, like
Speaker 2: musicians and bands that get really famous, really really quickly,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like something doesn't seem right normally,
Speaker 2: whenever you start something, you've got to start from the bottom,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Definitely when it comes to music.
Speaker 2: You were a musician, you know what that's like. To
Speaker 2: go around the bars, you got to play shows locally.
Speaker 2: You got to start from the bottom. Just like me
Speaker 2: and you both did this show. We both started this show.
Speaker 2: Our shows are shows, respectively from the very bottom. I
Speaker 2: started my entire show with zero subscribers.
Speaker 1: Right, you know.
Speaker 2: But there are people that feel like they just automatically
Speaker 2: have everything that they need right, everything that they want right,
Speaker 2: and it feels very inorganic, like that they were essentially
Speaker 2: recruited for that purpose, you know, they were brought in
Speaker 2: the fold for that purpose, like to be the next
Speaker 2: big online social media star. And that's that's just an
Speaker 2: example of it. But it goes into every I was
Speaker 2: just putting it in a way that people might be
Speaker 2: able to understand with the music stuff, but it's for
Speaker 2: every part of society. It just doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: those things that could be. It could be the freaking mailman, dude.
Speaker 2: It could be yeah, well, the post office worker, it
Speaker 2: could be anybody around you. I believe that they have agents,
Speaker 2: whether they know it or not, whether the individual actually
Speaker 2: knows it or not. And that's the biggest part of
Speaker 2: the conspiracy, that the conspiracy really is, is that there
Speaker 2: is no conspiracy because these people, since they were young,
Speaker 2: have been programmed with what it is that they're supposed
Speaker 2: to do, So.
Speaker 1: That would mean they would most likely have handlers in
Speaker 1: their lives that would be watching and possibly influencing certain
Speaker 1: decisions that they're making. You also touched on this in
Speaker 1: the film with Jay Widner that some of the people
Speaker 1: who have been deeply involved with the programs that don't
Speaker 1: make it to the higher levels may start to experience
Speaker 1: some kind of breakdown, drug problems, depression, things of that nature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that a lot of the people that
Speaker 2: didn't make it through the program and weren't selected to,
Speaker 2: you know, have their entire future mapped out for them
Speaker 2: to have like a life of the Truman Show, to
Speaker 2: be the you know, the head of a multi million
Speaker 2: dollar corporation, like you know, Charlie Kirk was, I mean,
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was literally in a literal gifted program school
Speaker 2: at Gate Program School in Palatine, Illinois, called Creative Children's
Speaker 2: Academy and was renamed Quest Academy until in nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: nine it became known as Quest Academy. Now, this wasn't
Speaker 2: just a Gate class. This was you know that you've
Speaker 2: taken grade school or middle school or whatever. This was
Speaker 2: a literal gifted and talented school dedicated to students that
Speaker 2: have been gifted and talented all of the children inside
Speaker 2: of the school and it's like preschool or kindergarten. You
Speaker 2: can literally just get on the website if you wanted
Speaker 2: to look at it. It's called Quest School in Illinois
Speaker 2: in Palatine, Illinois, and you can read through the website
Speaker 2: and all the things that they offer. And it's really
Speaker 2: interesting because it says that we create opportunities for children
Speaker 2: in and out of the classroom. Okay, that wording is
Speaker 2: really important. We create opportunities for children inside of the
Speaker 2: classroom and outside of the classroom. Well, what does that
Speaker 2: actually mean? Does that mean that? Does that sound like
Speaker 2: a multi billion dollar corporation? Does that sound like that
Speaker 2: you're going to be taken care of once you make
Speaker 2: it through this program. It sounds like that whenever you
Speaker 2: graduate this gifted school that you're going to be basically
Speaker 2: given whatever it is that they want you to do.
Speaker 2: As long as you do what they want you to do,
Speaker 2: then you're going to be successful in that thing because
Speaker 2: they're going to create all of the opportunities for you
Speaker 2: to do that.
Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the stranger operations that may
Speaker 1: have been going on within the Gate program. You mentioned
Speaker 1: that they are most likely recruiting for any position on
Speaker 1: the planet. Really, that would also include top secret positions,
Speaker 1: things that most people don't even know are in operation assassins,
Speaker 1: psychic spies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's many three letter organizations that that exists that
Speaker 2: we don't know about. But they are public three letter organizations.
Speaker 2: We just don't know what their abbreviations are, so it's
Speaker 2: hard hard for us to find out about them. But
Speaker 2: if you were to look up like the Missile Intelligence Agency,
Speaker 2: for instance, if you were to google the Missile Intelligence
Speaker 2: what does the Missile Intelligence Agency do? Just type that
Speaker 2: into Google and it would say the Missile Intelligence Agency
Speaker 2: is responsible for missile analysis and blah blah blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah and the creation of directed energy weapons.
Speaker 2: Well that's what that's what the Missile Intelligence Agency does, right.
Speaker 2: So it's like, uh, there are many There are more
Speaker 2: militaries than the ones that we are familiar with. There
Speaker 2: are more three letter organizations and the ones that we
Speaker 2: are familiar with, and they all operate and run. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you look at the Danny Castlero case in the
Speaker 2: Octopus murders, I don't know if you're familiar with that.
Speaker 2: He was basically trying to uncover this this giant secret
Speaker 2: CIA undercover branch of the intelligence community, and he found
Speaker 2: out that they were basically running their operations off of
Speaker 2: Native American reservations, and they were doing human trafficking, guns trafficking, drugs,
Speaker 2: trafficking because it was not considered to be UH and
Speaker 2: they were fund funneling the money and laundering the money
Speaker 2: through the casinos. So there there are. Then he was
Speaker 2: inexplicably murdered in a hotel room in West Virginia. And
Speaker 2: that's another thing about these gay programs is that, you know,
Speaker 2: if you can get all of the smartest and brightest
Speaker 2: minds working for you and working for the government, then
Speaker 2: that means that you're not going to have any competition
Speaker 2: in the independent sector because you're going to have all
Speaker 2: of those people working for you. You're going to have
Speaker 2: them working for your company, your corporation, your military, your
Speaker 2: three letter organization. So any good ideas that they might
Speaker 2: have is a product of the government or a large corporation. Right,
Speaker 2: It's like taking a guy from uh, you don't know,
Speaker 2: an it guy from India. Right, that might sound like
Speaker 2: a really you know thing like Indian guys are super smart.
Speaker 2: But just for an example, some smart dude from another country, right,
Speaker 2: and then you have them come to your country and
Speaker 2: work work for them. Well, the reason that you would
Speaker 2: do that is because that guy is never going to
Speaker 2: become the CEO of that company, he's never going to
Speaker 2: run that company. But having him not work for your
Speaker 2: company runs the risk of him creating his own company
Speaker 2: independently of yours. So if you can get everybody under
Speaker 2: the banner of your institution, your government, you're through that organization,
Speaker 2: you're military, then you've essentially put a lid on what
Speaker 2: anybody can achieve and what anybody can do. And this
Speaker 2: is a big reason why nothing really changes in our reality.
Speaker 2: Nothing is able to improve our way of life. The
Speaker 2: only thing that seems to change is our technology, right
Speaker 2: and the way that we communicate. Nothing else really changes.
Speaker 2: We're using the same boats, the same trains, the same refrigerators,
Speaker 2: the same shit that we've been using for decades. Nothing
Speaker 2: has changed. It's all the same, you know. And the
Speaker 2: reason for that is because the smartest and brightest people
Speaker 2: that could possibly do something in our reality has been
Speaker 2: engulfed into the military industrial complex, or the through that
Speaker 2: organizations or some big corporation to where they're ideas get
Speaker 2: stifled or their ideas are used for somebody else instead
Speaker 2: of them going out and creating their own technology and
Speaker 2: creating their own corporation and resident like that. And the
Speaker 2: ones that do slip through the cracks that might actually
Speaker 2: figure out something that would revolutionize our way of life
Speaker 2: is then murdered, killed, assassinated, or their patents are completely
Speaker 2: buried under the National Secrecy Act.
Speaker 1: Nothing beneficial for humanity allowed exactly. You also featured Walter
Speaker 1: Bosley and Katie Page who were in the Gate programs,
Speaker 1: and they discussed some interesting experiences which may indicate connections
Speaker 1: with what we were just talking about trying to find
Speaker 1: out if people have certain abilities. Some of the things
Speaker 1: that stood out for me were the hearing tests. Walter
Speaker 1: speculated that maybe there may be some hidden tones in
Speaker 1: there that they were trying to see if some of
Speaker 1: the children could pick up on something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been reported that possibly the tones were to identify,
Speaker 2: like there would be low infrequency tones that most the
Speaker 2: human ear couldn't possibly pick up, some people could, and
Speaker 2: maybe that's all that the headphones could have been. It
Speaker 2: could have been like this low and frequency tone that
Speaker 2: regular people cannot hear that's being pumped through the headphones,
Speaker 2: and then they tell you to raise your hand if
Speaker 2: you can hear it. And then if you've raised your
Speaker 2: hand that you could hear it, then you were then
Speaker 2: pulled out right, You were then identified, you were then
Speaker 2: tagged like this individual can hear this on a different
Speaker 2: spectrum than all the other people. The rest of the
Speaker 2: people that aren't raising their hand can't hear this frequency.
Speaker 2: That's a possibility. Yeah. The other possibility is that this
Speaker 2: was to induce some sort of out of body experience,
Speaker 2: because how a lot of people remembered a lot of
Speaker 2: these programs were listening to the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes.
Speaker 2: You know, you should be hearing my voice in your
Speaker 2: right ear. If you're not hearing my voice in your
Speaker 2: right ear, then switch your headphones around. And when they
Speaker 2: heard that, they kind of got triggered by hearing that,
Speaker 2: and then all these other memories from when they were
Speaker 2: in school came flooding back to them and they suddenly
Speaker 2: remembered all this other stuff. So it's a high possibility
Speaker 2: that it is the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes and that
Speaker 2: they're trying to induce an out of body experience. They're
Speaker 2: being given a strange and weird substance. They're told to
Speaker 2: put headphones on. Sometimes they were told to put goggles
Speaker 2: on three D glasses, which there is a lot of
Speaker 2: you know, truth to those types of programs as well.
Speaker 2: There's this project that was called Ames Leaf Room, which
Speaker 2: was ran by doctor Ames, which he created this room
Speaker 2: which was this was funded by the Office of Naval
Speaker 2: Research right where he would take a bunch of college students,
Speaker 2: put him into this room that had leaves all over
Speaker 2: the walls, and he would dose them with LSD and
Speaker 2: then put goggles on their head and they would go
Speaker 2: into a weird, trippy psychosis and they would end up
Speaker 2: in the er. And then there's other programs that was
Speaker 2: called the Gonsfeld Experiment g A n Z F E
Speaker 2: l D, and this was to induce and unlock your
Speaker 2: psychic abilities, essentially make you see things that aren't there.
Speaker 2: Some call them hallucinations. I don't know how you know
Speaker 2: truthful that is. I don't know if anything is really
Speaker 2: a hallucination. But you can do this yourself by cutting
Speaker 2: a pink pong ball in half, taping it to your
Speaker 2: eyeballs and then shining a bright red light on your
Speaker 2: face and then open your eyes and look through the
Speaker 2: ping pong balls, and people that have done this for
Speaker 2: a long period of time end up seeing things that
Speaker 2: aren't that they wouldn't be able to see under normal circumstances.
Speaker 2: So that's a very real one. Dean Raidan, which was
Speaker 2: on Joe Rogan recently, was involved with this experiment in
Speaker 2: creating this experiment, and he also talked about how children
Speaker 2: are more psychic than other people, which we also prove
Speaker 2: in the documentary. Within the first ten minutes we show
Speaker 2: the doctor jb Ryan stuff with this undercards and the
Speaker 2: conclusion of those experiments where the children were more psychic
Speaker 2: than teenagers and adults.
Speaker 1: This may even have connections with ufology essentially. I've heard
Speaker 1: from others that some of the training that people may
Speaker 1: have experienced during the Gate program may have been linked
Speaker 1: to piloting UFOs or reverse engineered craft or alien craft,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anybody specifically talk about that with children yet,
Speaker 2: but if you do know someone, let's talk about that.
Speaker 2: That would be very fascinating. I do believe that that
Speaker 2: is going to be a something that's going to come
Speaker 2: out in the future. If it hasn't already come out,
Speaker 2: maybe it has, and I just don't know about it.
Speaker 1: But I know it has with certain adults that were
Speaker 1: in the military that were brought to SPECI training programs
Speaker 1: were initially they had no idea what they're doing, and
Speaker 1: eventually they found out that they were piloting craft with
Speaker 1: their mind. And I don't see why they wouldn't apply
Speaker 1: this to those other programs.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have heard that with adults, and I do
Speaker 2: believe that that is something that is going to come
Speaker 2: out about children as well, and that might have been
Speaker 2: a big reason for some of the people in the
Speaker 2: gay program. And I think that the gay program is
Speaker 2: connected to that, and I do believe that at some
Speaker 2: point soon that is going to come out in the future,
Speaker 2: that these children were being prepared in a groom to
Speaker 2: pilot craft with their mind.
Speaker 1: Also linked to this, possibly, Katie Page gave some interesting
Speaker 1: testimony about how she was taken to a separate location
Speaker 1: hooked up to these io feedback machines. But the person
Speaker 1: linked with those particular experiments worked at Area fifty one,
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Thomas A. Shbadinsky. He worked at Area fifty one.
Speaker 2: He was a navigational engineer for the SR seventy one Blackbird,
Speaker 2: and then somehow got into biofeedback, which I believed was
Speaker 2: a precursor to, or very similar in the least to
Speaker 2: the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes, in the fact that the
Speaker 2: Twilight Learner tapes that Katie Page shows in the documentary
Speaker 2: do the same have the same effect as the Monroe
Speaker 2: Institute Gateway tapes. They do the same thing. They induce
Speaker 2: an out of body experience. And if you were to
Speaker 2: read through the Gateway Project Gateway Monroe Institute CIA documents,
Speaker 2: it'll stay in there that biofeedback is important in understanding
Speaker 2: on how to get outside of your body. So they
Speaker 2: are connected. But yes, we show a clip of a
Speaker 2: kid in the Twilight Learner biofeedback program where they hook
Speaker 2: him up to the monitors and everything in his head,
Speaker 2: and then the the person speaking in it was like,
Speaker 2: can we're gonna launch the rocket? Can you launch the rocket?
Speaker 2: Make the rocket go up? So it's like, how was this?
Speaker 2: This guy was working at Area fifty one as a
Speaker 2: navigational engineer for the SR seventy one blackbird and now
Speaker 2: he is using the same reference as a rocket going
Speaker 2: off for a choice. It seems like there's something more
Speaker 2: to that that they were trying to cite. Kickley hooked
Speaker 2: this kid up to something something else.
Speaker 1: Have you at all looked into modern Gate programs, how
Speaker 1: they've advanced over the years, how they're utilizing technology modern
Speaker 1: technology within the programs.
Speaker 2: I find several people reach out to me about that
Speaker 2: their kid is currently in the Gate program. And someone
Speaker 2: that I really trust told me that his daughter is
Speaker 2: currently in a program in public school, or was currently
Speaker 2: in a program she no longer is. He took her
Speaker 2: out of public school, but that she came home and
Speaker 2: told him that that every day an suv would pull
Speaker 2: up to the school and her and a few other
Speaker 2: kids would get inside of the suv and go on
Speaker 2: field trips every single day without his knowledge. He didn't
Speaker 2: sign off on it. This isn't a normal field trip.
Speaker 2: The field trip in public school, the parent normally signs
Speaker 2: off on the field trip because they need to know
Speaker 2: where their child's going, right, this wasn't something that the
Speaker 2: parent was aware of. And then she also explained to
Speaker 2: him that's crazy. At night, she would be woken up
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night at around three AM,
Speaker 2: a group of kids that would come and get her
Speaker 2: out of bed and then they would go outside to
Speaker 2: like some.
Speaker 1: Like night How old was she again, very young?
Speaker 2: I think roughly around six seven eight, Yeah, damn. And
Speaker 2: then when you look at the alien and the extraterrestrial,
Speaker 2: the possible extraterrestrial connection, which we have Whitley Strieber that
Speaker 2: wrote a book in nineteen ninety seven called The Secret School,
Speaker 2: which was almost identical to the thing that I just
Speaker 2: explained about the gentleman telling me that a child is
Speaker 2: woken up in the middle of the night and they
Speaker 2: all go out and do like some kind of night school.
Speaker 2: It's called the Secret School preparation for contact, and Willy
Speaker 2: Stroeper kind of equated this to being prepared for extra
Speaker 2: trustural contact, which you know how I feel about extra treusture. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just very coincidental that, I mean, how could a
Speaker 2: seven year old know about Willy Streeper and read his
Speaker 2: freaking book, you know what I mean. So it's like,
Speaker 2: it's very interesting that you have those two connections there,
Speaker 2: and that she was saying and he immediately pulled her
Speaker 2: out of public school after she told him this.
Speaker 1: There's a phenomena that people are discussing recently either Mall World.
Speaker 1: There are people going to astral classrooms in their sleep.
Speaker 1: Some people are connecting this with Gate Program activities. Would
Speaker 1: you connect those things together? People having these weird astral
Speaker 1: classroom experiences.
Speaker 2: It is very interesting. I don't know how connected it
Speaker 2: is to the Gate program. I mean, people have claimed
Speaker 2: that it is connected to the Gate Program in some
Speaker 2: sort of weird way. I mean, during my interview with
Speaker 2: I think that Walter even brings it up. I don't
Speaker 2: think that I cut it out of the movie where
Speaker 2: he says that the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes could have
Speaker 2: been what he heard in public school and that could
Speaker 2: explain his weird dreams in his daydreams and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I do find the Mall World stuff really interesting in
Speaker 2: how that a group of people could essentially have the
Speaker 2: exact same dream every single night, see exact. I mean,
Speaker 2: people have made maps. A giant wrote down giant maps
Speaker 2: of like male World. I find it very fascinating. And
Speaker 2: sometimes I've heard allegedly that it doesn't even have to
Speaker 2: be like for some people, it didn't even start out
Speaker 2: as mole World. It started out with them being with
Speaker 2: a group of people that they've never met in real life,
Speaker 2: Like they were these dream astral people that they would
Speaker 2: dream about every night throughout childhood, and they essentially grew
Speaker 2: up with these people in the astral and then at
Speaker 2: some point they were kind of cut off whenever they
Speaker 2: got to a certain age. And now they're back and
Speaker 2: they're all older. They've never met in real life life,
Speaker 2: they've only met in the dream astral realm, and now
Speaker 2: they're meeting up in this mall. I've heard stories like
Speaker 2: that allegedly. You know what, Yah, Sorry to verify the
Speaker 2: dream the dream realm, Chris, but yeah, I do find
Speaker 2: it very interesting in how it may or may not
Speaker 2: be connected to Gate is debatable and up for interpretation.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the use of Satanic ritual abuse
Speaker 1: within MK ultra programs was more of just a psychological
Speaker 1: tool rather than taken as a serious spiritual belief system.
Speaker 2: I think that whenever you believe in something, the ritual
Speaker 2: aspect of it sometimes solidifies it in your mind, Like
Speaker 2: the entity doesn't necessarily have to be real, the thing
Speaker 2: that you're worshiping doesn't have to be real. But if
Speaker 2: you make it real by doing some sort of ritual,
Speaker 2: if you think or believe that you're summoning some sort
Speaker 2: of demon, or you're doing a blood animal sacrifice to
Speaker 2: summon some sort of demon, or even you know, more nefarious,
Speaker 2: some form of actual sacrifice that's not an animal, then
Speaker 2: it becomes real. It becomes real for you. And I
Speaker 2: think that that is part of the ritual process. That
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that is necessarily negative, but I do believe
Speaker 2: that people within the MK ultra programs were programmed with
Speaker 2: that type of reality, right, so it makes it harder
Speaker 2: for them to really understand what's going on because they've
Speaker 2: had a lot of these other memories implanted into their mind,
Speaker 2: such as you know, Satan and Lucifer and Satanic things,
Speaker 2: even sometimes reptilian entities in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 2: They've been programmed with that, so it makes it harder
Speaker 2: for them to really understand what had happened to them,
Speaker 2: because then they have to filter through all of the
Speaker 2: nonsense and the projections that were essentially projected onto them.
Speaker 1: Last few minutes, last time you were on, we discussed
Speaker 1: your research into what's happening with the Charlie Kirk assassination
Speaker 1: the Tyler Robinson trial. Since we spoke a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: do you have any updates with anything that you've been observing.
Speaker 2: Well, Canvas Ows literally released the photo that was taken
Speaker 2: on campus that is one hundred times better looking the
Speaker 2: footage or the photos that were shown during the preliminary hearing.
Speaker 2: It's not actually clear and you can identify the person
Speaker 2: in the image is not Tyler Robinson. It looks nothing
Speaker 2: like which is what everybody has been saying from the
Speaker 2: very beginning that the person in the footage is not
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson. Right. So, I think that is a really
Speaker 2: big deal and it is really important for the future,
Speaker 2: and I'm really looking forward to what else comes out
Speaker 2: about it. And you know, Charlie Kirk beginning the Gate Program.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have it in the in the documentary.
Speaker 2: It's truly important because I think that Charlie was, you know,
Speaker 2: wising up toward it, toward the end that maybe his
Speaker 2: entire you know, life was pre arranged for him, you know,
Speaker 2: and he was starting to wise up that and they
Speaker 2: were like, oh man, we can't have this guy, you know,
Speaker 2: waking up. It's like, you know, Jim carrying the Truman Show.
Speaker 2: We can't let him escape the Truman Show because we're
Speaker 2: making too much money, No, making too much money off
Speaker 2: of this show that we're doing for everybody's entertainment, that
Speaker 2: we can't let him escape this.
Speaker 1: You know, do you think it's possible for them not
Speaker 1: to convict Tyler Robinson after all the evidence comes out.
Speaker 2: I think that it's getting it's getting harder and harder
Speaker 2: with the public, the public's perception of it. It's becoming
Speaker 2: harder and harder to convince people that it would like
Speaker 2: the everyday public, that it was Tyler Robinson. But we
Speaker 2: know how the core system is set up. It's rigged.
Speaker 2: You know, they got their agenda. They're going to push
Speaker 2: forward no matter what. It doesn't matter what the public says.
Speaker 2: The public could be completely right, they won't listen. The
Speaker 2: public can be completely wrong and they will listen, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: But I think they're going to still go full steam ahead.
Speaker 2: And I don't know exactly what's going to happen, but
Speaker 2: I know that it's going to be strung out for
Speaker 2: a really long time. It's not going to be something
Speaker 2: that the case is going to be closed really quickly.
Speaker 2: It's a very convoluted case. It's much like the you know,
Speaker 2: the Stargate Unit, where there's things happening all over the
Speaker 2: place and it's hard to really understand everything that's going on,
Speaker 2: and new information is coming out every single day about
Speaker 2: the Charlie Kirk assassination, and it's just a lot to
Speaker 2: really take on. It's a lot to remember, just like
Speaker 2: it's a lot to remember all of this psychic spy stuff.
Speaker 2: And there was a there was a point, Chris, when
Speaker 2: I was making the movie that I was just I
Speaker 2: just had to stop doing research for it. I was like, Bro,
Speaker 2: this has got a basement, this has got a back
Speaker 2: door to the basement, and that backdoor to the basement's
Speaker 2: got a freaking trap door, dude. And I was like,
Speaker 2: this thing could go on forever and not even get
Speaker 2: to the bottom of it. And at a point I
Speaker 2: was like, I just got to stop, or I'm just
Speaker 2: going to get so overwhelmed that nothing is ever going
Speaker 2: to get done. So I stopped where I thought I
Speaker 2: had everything really under control. So thanks for having me on,
Speaker 2: Chris really appreciated. Please check out my documentary on Amazon
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Speaker 1: Thank you brother, great job with the film. I'll have
Speaker 1: the link easily accessible for everyone in the description. We'll
Speaker 1: be doing this again until next time. Everyone, have an
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