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Speaker 2: You've got the privilege of talking to Ghee Bouchet from
Speaker 2: out there in the Pacific Northwest. Gee has been bigfooting
Speaker 2: for thirteen years. Out there, he's interviewed dozens of credible
Speaker 2: witnesses as a member of the BFRO, and he seeks
Speaker 2: a greater understanding of the mystery of sasquatch. So it's
Speaker 2: a pleasure to have you on the show today.
Speaker 3: Gee. Hey, sure, am I How you doing doing great? Man?
Speaker 2: I was just editing some video I took out in Oakridge, Oregon,
Speaker 2: in the Willamette National Forest, and I'm like, man, I
Speaker 2: gotta get back out there. It's just you guys got
Speaker 2: a good out there.
Speaker 3: Those are beautiful mountains. Yeah. I always try and get
Speaker 3: out as much as I can. That's got to take
Speaker 3: advantage of it when you live in the Northwest.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I agree. I would, man, I probably wouldn't really
Speaker 2: be at home. But gee, we were talking before the
Speaker 2: show started, and I think it would be great if
Speaker 2: would you mind starting with how you got into this
Speaker 2: whole subject of Bigfoot to begin with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had always been a person getting out of
Speaker 3: the mountains ever since I was a kid. I went out.
Speaker 3: I lived down in California, so i'd go up to
Speaker 3: Cascade Mountains, but the Asira's a lot and do big
Speaker 3: backpacking trips, and I was always around a lot of
Speaker 3: the wildlife there. Down there, we have more of a
Speaker 3: prominence of bears than we have up here. We will
Speaker 3: typically see bears at campsites all over the place. You
Speaker 3: really have to be aware of those guys. So when
Speaker 3: I first moved up here, I felt like it was
Speaker 3: a little bit more rugged, less people so I'm going
Speaker 3: to see bears all the time, and it was something
Speaker 3: that kind of shocked me. I really didn't see bear
Speaker 3: prints or scat unless you go up the certain areas
Speaker 3: of the mountains. It is not a common thing. But
Speaker 3: I'd carry around bear base just in case to protect
Speaker 3: my family at the time when I first started going
Speaker 3: out around here and I was not in the big footing.
Speaker 3: Around twenty eleven twelve, me and my wife celebrating her
Speaker 3: birthday with my two daughters, who were five and six,
Speaker 3: we decided let's go out to war campgrounds out by
Speaker 3: four XS. We've never been out there before. This would
Speaker 3: be fun February. It's gonna be cold as hell, but
Speaker 3: we'll bring tons of blankets and the kids can be
Speaker 3: bundled up in handwarmers. And at the time the kids,
Speaker 3: we had taken them out since their babies out camping
Speaker 3: and they were perfectly fine with it. So we picked
Speaker 3: a spot. It was the and you can find this
Speaker 3: spot at Wurra Campgrounds. They have the whole campground shut
Speaker 3: down except for one area that was by the river,
Speaker 3: and we picked a spot that was the most southwestern
Speaker 3: point in that location that you could camp and all
Speaker 3: day long. We're having fun. I like having beers. I'm
Speaker 3: having beers and the kids are playing around. Me and
Speaker 3: my wife are taking them for bicycle rides and everything else.
Speaker 3: And We've got a box sitting there on the ground.
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking from the time I've been up here
Speaker 3: that I'm not seeing any beer tracks bears. It's winter time.
Speaker 3: They've got to be hibernating. There's gonna be nothing around.
Speaker 3: It's gonna bess with recyclables at all. So kept him
Speaker 3: in a box, and around eleven thirty, we have the
Speaker 3: girls tucked in already and me and my wife were done.
Speaker 3: We're ready to tuck in with and playing cards and
Speaker 3: games and things. And we tucked in and we got
Speaker 3: in the tent and we were flanking our girls and
Speaker 3: either side with beer and mace, just to be safe again,
Speaker 3: keeping our kids safe. And we were laying there and
Speaker 3: we heard our recycling box tip upside down and just
Speaker 3: dump on the ground. It was a good sound, whatever
Speaker 3: it was. And at the time, we're thinking, whatever it was,
Speaker 3: it drugged about twenty feet and just dump the recycles out.
Speaker 3: We had two coolers out there that could easily be open.
Speaker 3: They weren't yety coolers and they had everything in them.
Speaker 3: They had beerd drinks for the kids. They had salami, bacon, eggs,
Speaker 3: all the kind of food you can imagine you need
Speaker 3: for several days camping. And we thought, oh great, there's
Speaker 3: a Why is there a bear up right now? There's
Speaker 3: a bear out there getting to her stuff. And it
Speaker 3: actually walked past our tent on my wife's side, and
Speaker 3: it was some very heavy feet and it brushed against
Speaker 3: the tent. My wife looked at me in big eyes,
Speaker 3: and I put my finger in front of my mouth
Speaker 3: and I said, it does anything. But I just made
Speaker 3: a motion like don't don't move, don't make a sound,
Speaker 3: stay quiet, don't move. And the girls were looking at us,
Speaker 3: and we're saying to them, don't you know, stay quiet.
Speaker 3: The thing walked away, apparently, I thought. And we were
Speaker 3: laying there and I said to my wife, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get out, I'm gonna put the coolers away, check see
Speaker 3: what happened. I've got a spotlight and I'm gonna just
Speaker 3: make sure this bear gets out of here. I'm still
Speaker 3: baff is to Wine February. There is a bear out
Speaker 3: growing around. But we were in the tent. I got out.
Speaker 3: My wife said, be careful, and I'm sure all the
Speaker 3: neighbors really love this. At twelve thirty night, I turned
Speaker 3: my car alarm on the pair away and I got
Speaker 3: out with a flashlight at the spotlight and aimed it
Speaker 3: around in the area, and I said, you get out
Speaker 3: of your bear. Bad bear. Got out of the tent
Speaker 3: with the bear mace ready, clean up the recycles, put
Speaker 3: the material away, locked up the truck, and I heard
Speaker 3: some movement down in the lagoon below us, where there
Speaker 3: was a patch of fairly deep water three or four
Speaker 3: feet deep, muddy on the bottom. I had gone out
Speaker 3: that day and seen this, and down below there there
Speaker 3: are also beaver cuts in the ground where the beavers
Speaker 3: can hide from the eagles, and I guess it's certain
Speaker 3: way of escaping. But that space down there had mud here,
Speaker 3: and there patches of mud beaver cuts everywhere in a
Speaker 3: lagoon right below us, by about fifty feet away. And
Speaker 3: so I shined the light down there. I said, get
Speaker 3: away from your bad bear. This's just the only bad bear.
Speaker 3: I got back in the tent told my if, hey,
Speaker 3: it's got to be okay. Now we're fine. That's no
Speaker 3: big deal. Bad thing's definitely gone, without a doubt. Scared off,
Speaker 3: got of the tent. We're laying there. Fifteen minutes later,
Speaker 3: my wife goes asleep, my youngest daughter goes asleep next
Speaker 3: to her, and I'm laying there with my oldest daughter.
Speaker 3: She's still awake, and we hear something from Macaw Indian
Speaker 3: Reservation about five hundred yards away jumping the Quilliad River
Speaker 3: and it was a loud splash. I thought, man, that's
Speaker 3: a big beer or that's a big animal. Wow. And
Speaker 3: my oldest daughter was laying there's six years old, so
Speaker 3: she's down. I'm scared. I said, oh, honey, there's a
Speaker 3: steel head out there right now. There's guys fishing for
Speaker 3: steelhead here tomorrow morning. There it's just a air it's
Speaker 3: going for food. About four minutes later, we hear it's
Speaker 3: getting closer. We hear a big a huge log or
Speaker 3: something snapped in half and again getting in the water
Speaker 3: and going across a big puddle. There were a number
Speaker 3: of dugouts out there where water and filled up when
Speaker 3: the tide would come in. I thought, wow, that's getting close.
Speaker 3: So my daughter was getting scared and said, honey, just
Speaker 3: go to bed. I'm here. That's we're in a tent.
Speaker 3: We're totally safe. Don't worry about it. About five minutes later,
Speaker 3: everybody's asleep and I'm laying there and I hear swishing
Speaker 3: coming in the water down below. Noted there's a little
Speaker 3: channel of water. It's not more than six seven inches deep.
Speaker 3: But something was walking towards our space, and I thought, wow,
Speaker 3: those are big. That's a big sound. That's something really,
Speaker 3: that's a very big bear. And it was coming across
Speaker 3: in the water. And then the craziest thing happened. That
Speaker 3: one of the craziest things that a big footing has
Speaker 3: ever happened to me. And this again, I had not
Speaker 3: really thought about bigfoots as being real. I'd heard about them,
Speaker 3: I'd camped in the mountains. I'd never seen anything, never
Speaker 3: had anything happen. A rock the size of a basketball
Speaker 3: was thrown into the water and you can hear it
Speaker 3: hit the water. And then what happens when a big
Speaker 3: object goes up in the air and splashes down in
Speaker 3: the middle of it. It was followed by four more
Speaker 3: big rocks, each one. I mean, you could tell it
Speaker 3: was thrown in the water. It was it had intention
Speaker 3: behind it. It was pretty scary because I thought bears
Speaker 3: don't throw rocks, and there's no way anybody's down there
Speaker 3: with rocks that big one. You couldn't carry them too.
Speaker 3: There's no lights down there. There's no light. You could
Speaker 3: see a light through the tent if somebody was down
Speaker 3: there with the light. We had not talked to anybody
Speaker 3: there about bigfooting. We're looking for bigfoots, so why would
Speaker 3: anyone want to play a gag on us or something
Speaker 3: and be doing that down there. Anyways, after about five rocks,
Speaker 3: and this is something I only learned about years later,
Speaker 3: and this terrified me what happened because it was something
Speaker 3: that I had never experienced before in my life. And
Speaker 3: I've heard other people on your program say you're going
Speaker 3: to think I'm crazy saying this, And I'm not going
Speaker 3: to say you're going to think I'm crazy saying this,
Speaker 3: because this has happened to a lot of people. But
Speaker 3: a voice came into my head and said, don't you
Speaker 3: ever call me a bad bear. And it came up
Speaker 3: with a name, and it's hard to remember this name,
Speaker 3: but it was like Disquatchety or something. It was a
Speaker 3: Native American name, and it said, don't you ever call
Speaker 3: me a bad bear again. And this thing was angry.
Speaker 3: It was really angry. And I don't know if it
Speaker 3: was an alarm going off, if there was another one
Speaker 3: that was the other one was a part of its family.
Speaker 3: I don't know what was going on. But I didn't
Speaker 3: sleep until the sun came up. I was petrified. And
Speaker 3: when it walked away, there was something with it that
Speaker 3: sounded like a blend between a lamb and a monkey.
Speaker 3: It was making little sounds, almost like a baby wood,
Speaker 3: and it just walked away and that was the end
Speaker 3: of that experience to me. When that happened, I immediately
Speaker 3: was like, wow, that was incredible. The next day I
Speaker 3: went down and I took a picture of a twenty
Speaker 3: two inch threat in the mud down below, as well
Speaker 3: as the indentations where four or five of the rocks
Speaker 3: had been thrown in the mud and they sunk right
Speaker 3: into the mud and disappeared in the lagoon. And we
Speaker 3: had talked to the ranger there and said, hey, have
Speaker 3: you ever had anything like this happened around here? Because
Speaker 3: you know, I was oblivious to this. They said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: we find prints around the lighthouse area and up in
Speaker 3: the hill and people have had experiences here and there
Speaker 3: in all the place, and it really awoke me to Wow,
Speaker 3: how oblivious have I been this whole time to this
Speaker 3: reality that all these lower, all these stories I had
Speaker 3: heard for some of the years about how real these
Speaker 3: things are there, and that the Native Americans. I ended
Speaker 3: up meeting a friend from the BFURRO who speak would
Speaker 3: speak to the chieftains, and the chieftains would say, we
Speaker 3: used to trade with them thousands of years ago. They
Speaker 3: were a part of our community. We had known about
Speaker 3: them for thousands of years. I ended up looking at
Speaker 3: the bfur O and they had an expedition that was
Speaker 3: set for I believe it was either July or August.
Speaker 3: Was positive July, and we went up there and this
Speaker 3: is a spot that was in between Mount Saint Helens
Speaker 3: and Mount Adams, in the middle of nowhere, thirty forty
Speaker 3: miles away from any city, any town at all, just
Speaker 3: absolutely in the boondocks. And we went out there and
Speaker 3: I thought, I'm going to get a jump on this.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go out there Wednesday, so before many
Speaker 3: people show up, They're going to be out there Wednesday
Speaker 3: to people leading it. This is Kirk Brandenburg, Scott Taylor
Speaker 3: and several Kevin Jones and several other people that are
Speaker 3: already very prominently known in the BFRO. And I met
Speaker 3: them out there and they said, hey, if you want
Speaker 3: an experience with these guys, put your tent by the
Speaker 3: edge of the forest over there, because that's where they
Speaker 3: come from. For some reason, there's no no roads over
Speaker 3: that direction. It's just open. And I thought, in my head,
Speaker 3: I thought that experience I had to have been just
Speaker 3: a fluke, that had to have been something that once
Speaker 3: in a lifetime you're going to experience it. Leg This
Speaker 3: is no way, even though I'm way out here in
Speaker 3: the middle of nowhere, I'm going to come up here
Speaker 3: and I'm going to have a similar experience in any way.
Speaker 3: No way. So I go and camp there the first night,
Speaker 3: nothing happens, and that's what I expected. I thought. No.
Speaker 3: I just got up in the morning Thursday morning, met
Speaker 3: some people that showed up. We started hiking away from
Speaker 3: the main base camp and got about two and a
Speaker 3: half miles ag from that. There's a gentleman Chris Binham,
Speaker 3: he's out there probably going to listen to this at
Speaker 3: some point. And Doug Howe, who is another gentleman that
Speaker 3: was with us went back there and we get gloss.
Speaker 3: At one point we're like, let's where are we at.
Speaker 3: The map we had wasn't showing. We had a compass,
Speaker 3: but the road we went to was not on the map.
Speaker 3: But we thought, now we're lost up here. This is,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of bad. We couldn't go back where
Speaker 3: we came from because we went through swamps and hills
Speaker 3: and thicket and it was just a mess trying to
Speaker 3: get to that point. We end up we're standing there.
Speaker 3: We found a spot walking a little further that was
Speaker 3: a dugout. It was a space that had it was
Speaker 3: very savvy and there were imprints everywhere as if there
Speaker 3: had been a lot of foot traffic in there, not
Speaker 3: footprint footprints. So it was very sandy. So anything it
Speaker 3: would leave a print there is going to collapse over time.
Speaker 3: I would imagine, I don't think you'd make a good
Speaker 3: print that very sandy material. But there were bones everywhere.
Speaker 3: These bones didn't have any meat on them, they weren't fresh,
Speaker 3: and some of them were in patterns. It was very unusual.
Speaker 3: Everything from elk legbones, no head pieces, no spines, but
Speaker 3: lots of leg bones and antlers all over the place,
Speaker 3: and we thought that was unusual. We're sand in there.
Speaker 3: And something caught my attention to my left, in my periphery,
Speaker 3: and I went to look at it, and as I
Speaker 3: caught the look of what it was, it went down
Speaker 3: at a forty five degree angle at a miraculous speed.
Speaker 3: It was as if it knew it was being looked at,
Speaker 3: because I didn't see any eyes, but I saw a
Speaker 3: cone shaped head that was about sixteen inches across at
Speaker 3: its lowest point. It was had hair that was matted down,
Speaker 3: oily ish, watery looking glistening. The sun glistened off it.
Speaker 3: It was we were in the sun. It was eighty
Speaker 3: five degrees and it dove down quickly, and so I thought,
Speaker 3: meat to land. Our brain's like bear, there's a bear
Speaker 3: up here, and I sent it to the guys. They're like,
Speaker 3: why down, Let's walk up there calmly. So if it's
Speaker 3: a bear, we don't want to be attacked by a
Speaker 3: bear two miles away from where we came from. That
Speaker 3: would be horrendous trying to get back from a bear attack.
Speaker 3: And so we went around the corner up the hill
Speaker 3: sixty feet away, no tracks, no scat no movement, no sounds,
Speaker 3: and we thought, we're still lost. How are we going
Speaker 3: to get out of here? And to backtracks us a
Speaker 3: little bit. When I first got there the first day,
Speaker 3: we went around to a spot not more than half
Speaker 3: a mile away from where we were at lost to
Speaker 3: a little lake well I think it was called Little
Speaker 3: Mosquito Lake and looked at it with Kevin Jones and
Speaker 3: checked it out. They said there's been a activity there before,
Speaker 3: and went back to the place, and then I spent
Speaker 3: the night skip ahead. We're stagg at the edge of
Speaker 3: the saying we hear a tick and the forest in
Speaker 3: the distance like something's knocking on a piece of wood.
Speaker 3: We thought, that's interesting, it's either a woodpecker beaver. Let's
Speaker 3: just go over there and look at that. Went to
Speaker 3: that spot. I broke out my little mini cab at
Speaker 3: the point this is going on, start recording it, and
Speaker 3: the sound hit three hits. So my friend Chris Binham
Speaker 3: at the time hit a log three times and he
Speaker 3: had to hit three times.
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Speaker 3: So we were like, that's a smart woodpecker. That's weird.
Speaker 3: So he hit twice, so then it hit it twice,
Speaker 3: so he hit it once, it hit it once, and
Speaker 3: each time we did this it replicated exactly each time,
Speaker 3: and so we followed the sound. We would hit, it
Speaker 3: would make a sound, and it led us all the
Speaker 3: way to where I had been at that little Mesquit lake.
Speaker 3: Let us right there as if it was trying to
Speaker 3: get us out of there. If I could just get
Speaker 3: these dumb creatures out of this space where we normally
Speaker 3: hang out, that would be great without any interaction. And
Speaker 3: then we found eleven and a half inch prints in
Speaker 3: the space. They were bigfoot prints and they were all
Speaker 3: over the place, right by the lake on the hillside.
Speaker 3: So we went down. We told Doug. Doug went up
Speaker 3: there with this guy Mike Beers and this other gentleman
Speaker 3: that worked for the Finding Bigfoot show, Trevor Bounds I
Speaker 3: believe his name was. I think they all went up
Speaker 3: there and spent the night. They had experience that they
Speaker 3: published it went on finding bigfoots. So if you listeners
Speaker 3: want to look up epicids, let's see season one, episode three,
Speaker 3: I believe, which is Squatchier, Oregon or Washington, and they
Speaker 3: interview Doug Howe and he speaks to the idea of
Speaker 3: what happened. He doesn't speak at all about what happened
Speaker 3: with us, which is fine because now dan for thirty seconds.
Speaker 3: But that takes place. So that night I go back
Speaker 3: to my tent and we're expecting Saturday, and we did it.
Speaker 3: We had hllacious thunderstorms that were extremely dangerous with lightning, flooding.
Speaker 3: It was a really dangerous lighting story. I came through.
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, I'm gonna keep my windows open
Speaker 3: front of out. But if I hear rain outside. As
Speaker 3: I parked my vehicle and right next to me, I
Speaker 3: could get out, shut my windows. No big deal. I'll
Speaker 3: be able to get back into my tent quickly. It
Speaker 3: is only eight feet away. I had a canopy above
Speaker 3: the tent to protect it from heat and rain to it.
Speaker 3: I'm a truck park right in front of me, in
Speaker 3: front of the tent, backed up against the tent for
Speaker 3: protection against people driving down the road and things like this.
Speaker 3: So I was sleeping dead sleep, and around two fifteen
Speaker 3: in the morning, I heard what I thought was water.
Speaker 3: I thought this it's raining early. I'd say, wow, I
Speaker 3: should probably get up and shut my windows at my truck.
Speaker 3: Is that's going to soak my truck inside and I'm
Speaker 3: laying there, and then the sound of it slowly stopped,
Speaker 3: and then I realized it wasn't rain. It was gravel
Speaker 3: being dumped on the top of my ten foot canopy
Speaker 3: on the edge, and it was just slowly falling off
Speaker 3: the top of my canopy onto the ground. And then
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, that's that's not normal, Like what's
Speaker 3: going on here? My brain's more and more my adrenaline
Speaker 3: kicks in, and I'm thinking this is getting stranger. A
Speaker 3: rock then is held by whatever hits the metal pole,
Speaker 3: and it's drugged down the metal pole as if it's
Speaker 3: trying to discern what this stuff is that it sees
Speaker 3: in front of it. And then I'm really like, that's
Speaker 3: really not right. It sounded just like a good sized
Speaker 3: rock hit the metal pole and then just slid down it.
Speaker 3: The canopy and the rain flap in front was left
Speaker 3: open at night time because it was hot during the day,
Speaker 3: it was hot at nighttime. It was just very warm
Speaker 3: up there. And suddenly this pan comes pushing in the
Speaker 3: middle of where the door is and this these fingers
Speaker 3: are probably I've got pretty big hands, pretty good sized hands,
Speaker 3: I'm not a giant person, but I'm six feet I'm
Speaker 3: one ninety pretty good sized guy, at least more than
Speaker 3: double my fingers put together, and the hand itself had
Speaker 3: to have been easily wider from finger to finger, and
Speaker 3: just the four fingers that were reaching in of a
Speaker 3: foot maybe fourteen inches, and you can see each finger clearly.
Speaker 3: And it pushed in and half the tent kind of
Speaker 3: pushed over, and it started sweeping back and forth trying
Speaker 3: to touch something. I was all the way at the
Speaker 3: other wall of the tent in a six man tent,
Speaker 3: and at the point that started happening, my pulse went
Speaker 3: up on my neck so hard I could feel it.
Speaker 3: I thought I was gonna have an aneurysm, because I
Speaker 3: could feel it up in my head, up in my neck,
Speaker 3: and I was terrified. I was so terrified that the
Speaker 3: next day my entire body broke out. The ives, my face,
Speaker 3: every screch of my body broke out and blisters. I
Speaker 3: couldn't believe what was happening. It did that several sweeps,
Speaker 3: two or three good sweeps. The tent was pushed over.
Speaker 3: Then it's pulled out and stopped. It didn't make any
Speaker 3: grunting sounds. There's no smell or anything. It went around
Speaker 3: the side. I could hear it walk past my head
Speaker 3: at this point, and I was petrified because I thought,
Speaker 3: now it's going to reach on this side. It's definitely
Speaker 3: going to touch me. And I don't want to I
Speaker 3: don't want to get up and move because I don't
Speaker 3: want it to know I'm in here. I want to
Speaker 3: be anonymous in here. And I'm panicking. And it goes
Speaker 3: over and grabs another rock and taps the metal bumper
Speaker 3: on my truck, and then I heard it stand up,
Speaker 3: and I didn't hear anything else, no breathing, nothing that
Speaker 3: would make me go. There's nothing else I could say
Speaker 3: but what I heard. And then I heard it walk
Speaker 3: down the road and I was it. It walked down
Speaker 3: the road and just walked away. And that was the
Speaker 3: accumulation of all my points to the point where I
Speaker 3: was like, I want to be a part of the BFO.
Speaker 3: This is fascinating. I was with them for six years.
Speaker 3: They did dozens of I did private expeditions and public ones.
Speaker 3: I interviewed dozens and dozens of people. I ended up
Speaker 3: doing lots of private exit conditions with very well known people,
Speaker 3: just me and one of the persons going out in
Speaker 3: the middle of the woods, and it was a fantastic time.
Speaker 3: But I can definitely tell you that when somebody wants
Speaker 3: to see a bigfoot and they want to go bigfooting,
Speaker 3: and you have that want to do that, it's not always.
Speaker 3: Even I now I'm a lot more brave and doing
Speaker 3: these things. If I hear something, I go towards the
Speaker 3: sound and I deal with I'll talk to it and
Speaker 3: everything else. But it's still it can still be terrifying,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: So gee, that is absolutely that's incredible, My goodness. So
Speaker 2: how far away from you? Would you say? How close
Speaker 2: did that hand get to you? When it was sweeping
Speaker 2: back and forth inside the tent?
Speaker 3: It got with then about two two or three feet.
Speaker 3: A six man tent is about six feet across. It
Speaker 3: was pushing the tent halfway ever, so I'd say about
Speaker 3: two or three feet. It was close enough I could
Speaker 3: have reached out and touched it. Last thing on my
Speaker 3: mind right then, the only thing I could think about
Speaker 3: was breathing, my blood pressure going up through my brain
Speaker 3: and trying to I have my covers pulled up to
Speaker 3: my eyes. I was panicking. There was nothing I could
Speaker 3: think about but survival. Some people might say, why don't
Speaker 3: you touch the hand, or why don't you get your
Speaker 3: camera and take pictures. No, it's just not feasible for
Speaker 3: you to think that way. When your brain's in survival
Speaker 3: panic mode. You're just all you're thinking about is if
Speaker 3: I can just survive this and have this thing, because
Speaker 3: I'm thinking what if it grabs me. I don't know
Speaker 3: anything about at the time. I don't know anything about
Speaker 3: these things. I don't know what they're capable of. I
Speaker 3: don't know what happens if they do touch you. Maybe,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Nothing in my brain was going do
Speaker 3: anything but just lay here, just survive. Hopefully this thing
Speaker 3: walks away. It was a shock to my brain to
Speaker 3: think that it was even happening, because I just didn't
Speaker 3: even think something was gonna happen like that.
Speaker 2: The size of the hand, that almost feels to me
Speaker 2: that it could have if your head was This is
Speaker 2: tough to even think about, but you know how you
Speaker 2: palm a basketball like it probably could have palmed your head.
Speaker 3: Oh man, easy, There's no one's head out there that's
Speaker 3: big enough that thing could have done that. It was.
Speaker 3: It would have been like a toy. It would be
Speaker 3: like the size of your hand grabbing a doll, like
Speaker 3: a little foot tall doll. That it was that big
Speaker 3: of a hand. I didn't see the thumb, but that
Speaker 3: would make sense if you put your fingers straight forward
Speaker 3: and you just tried to sweep and touch something, that
Speaker 3: it would make sense that you wouldn't see the thumb.
Speaker 3: But the fingers were. They were enormous. I mean it.
Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't take too much forest to push
Speaker 3: a tent over. I can go over and just put
Speaker 3: some weight into a tent, push my six man tent over.
Speaker 3: But it, you know, it was putting some forests into
Speaker 3: really wanting to see what was in this thing. And
Speaker 3: you know, I have so many theories about it now
Speaker 3: that I've been big footing for years and I've had
Speaker 3: many more experiences with them and daylight experiences with them
Speaker 3: and never seen the top of the one I saw
Speaker 3: it out there ever again. But my theory too was
Speaker 3: that there must be bigfoots out there that are they're
Speaker 3: very remote. They just don't see humans ever. They never
Speaker 3: just they never make a decision to go out into
Speaker 3: anywhere and where there's humans and maybe they stay in
Speaker 3: spots where humans never ever go. And therefore, once it
Speaker 3: saw the cars that were there and the tents and
Speaker 3: everything else, it was just like baffled, like what is
Speaker 3: going on here? Or these my alien friends have seen before?
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I mean, just so many
Speaker 3: theories in my head go why did it do that?
Speaker 3: And maybe it was just a bigfoot. Another theory it
Speaker 3: was one that had seen humans often and it wanted
Speaker 3: very brazen and it wanted to say, hey, I know
Speaker 3: you're in there. I don't know why you're coming out here,
Speaker 3: but I'm here. Just let you know and I can
Speaker 3: do this, and it's I'm okay doing that.
Speaker 2: Thinking back of what you saw of the hand when
Speaker 2: it was in the tent, were there any things that
Speaker 2: you remember that stick out to you that were like, man,
Speaker 2: that was really weird, how well it had that, or
Speaker 2: his hand looked like that, or any details that just
Speaker 2: were really weird at the time.
Speaker 3: I would say one detail about the fingers. Definitively, I
Speaker 3: know this now from just looking at the fingertips. Sasquatches
Speaker 3: do not have claws, so we can rule out bear
Speaker 3: right there. Bears wouldn't reach in sideways like that and
Speaker 3: do that anyways, their arms aren't long enough from the
Speaker 3: edge of the tent where it had to have been.
Speaker 3: It was reaching in a good three or four feet,
Speaker 3: which is a really long arm to reach that far in,
Speaker 3: and the tips of the fingers were rounded. You could
Speaker 3: barely see a discernible nail. It was almost not even
Speaker 3: discernible because it was dark in the tent, but clearly
Speaker 3: you could see this hand pushing in. But they were
Speaker 3: just rounded, just very fat and rounded. Other than that, yeah,
Speaker 3: you couldn't really tell much more than that. And again too,
Speaker 3: there's nothing else like and the thing is this. Looking
Speaker 3: back on it, I could say this, it could be
Speaker 3: possible that there were breathing sounds that were happening, but
Speaker 3: I had so much blood pressure. If you've ever been
Speaker 3: scared in your life, so scared something has terrified you
Speaker 3: so much, your hearing actually starts going into it starts
Speaker 3: going because you're literally you're panicking. You might black out.
Speaker 3: You're so panicked, you're so scared, your adrenaline is pumping
Speaker 3: in your body, and your blood pressure is so high.
Speaker 3: So it could have been the possibility. Once the thing
Speaker 3: walked around and stop pushing in the tent. My blood
Speaker 3: pressure started going down a little bit, and the pumping
Speaker 3: in my neck started going down. But just seeing that
Speaker 3: made me going to a panic mode, an unbelievable panic
Speaker 3: mode that I've never experienced before. So just to give
Speaker 3: a little background of myself, when I was my teens, say,
Speaker 3: you know, eighteen to twenty, I was a firefighter. I
Speaker 3: went to fire houses on fire, I helped rescue people.
Speaker 3: I was a big wave surfer. I was almost killed
Speaker 3: eight times big waves. I had great whites go under me.
Speaker 3: I had great whites come at me, two ton great
Speaker 3: whites coming right at me in the water. They're fin up.
Speaker 3: None of that made me have such an adrenaline rush
Speaker 3: that my pulse was going up through my throat. I
Speaker 3: literally thought I was going to have an aneurism or
Speaker 3: heart attack because I was like, I don't know if
Speaker 3: I can handle this much blood pressure. My boy, I've
Speaker 3: never ever experienced this before. So it is possible that
Speaker 3: in the height of that, when there could have been
Speaker 3: breathing too. Out of all the other things that I
Speaker 3: had noticed, yeah, there was a portion of me that
Speaker 3: wishes I was able to be braver right then and
Speaker 3: just zip open the tent fantasy mill, and zip it
Speaker 3: open and just look at it, see what's right there,
Speaker 3: and have that experience. But I almost think in retrospect,
Speaker 3: even if I had been able to do that, or
Speaker 3: grab the hand, or take a picture of my camera
Speaker 3: that I had at that point, or anything like this,
Speaker 3: I think I would have passed out. I think from
Speaker 3: the distress on the actually if I've seen something too,
Speaker 3: I think I would have probably literally passed out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, your body already being at the point that
Speaker 2: it was. If you tagged on actually seeing a big foot,
Speaker 2: it would have been the best option, would have been
Speaker 2: passing out probably, just I don't think it.
Speaker 3: Probably would have been good. If I had a camera
Speaker 3: on myself inside the town seeing myself pass out, that
Speaker 3: would have been a good one for YouTube.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you'll be king of YouTube for a while.
Speaker 2: So if I had this happen, the kind of person
Speaker 2: I would have been, I would have spent days and
Speaker 2: days scouring the internet for pictures of a hand that
Speaker 2: looks similar to what I saw. Is that anything that
Speaker 2: you've done and found anything that similar or.
Speaker 3: I've not thought about that. That's a good question. I've
Speaker 3: never thought to do that to me all these years
Speaker 3: has just been an experience where you know, when somebody says, hey,
Speaker 3: tell me the experience you've had, and I've got dozens
Speaker 3: of experiences with them, and I can rattle off, but
Speaker 3: that's been something I should do that. It's not something
Speaker 3: I've ever done. It's just been one of those experiences
Speaker 3: where I've been like, Wow, that's one to add to
Speaker 3: the playbook of like what happens if this happens in
Speaker 3: the future. What could I do now? When I'm in tent,
Speaker 3: I have a recorder going all the time. I have
Speaker 3: a recorder going inside the tent, and I have a
Speaker 3: recorder going outside the tent. I have my phone ready
Speaker 3: for pictures. I have a thermal camera. I have so
Speaker 3: many things. And sometimes I might even rake the front
Speaker 3: of my tent with a rake to make rake lines
Speaker 3: on the grounds if it's really rough, so that if
Speaker 3: something does step on those rake lines, we be able
Speaker 3: to see a pattern and see a footprint. Where I
Speaker 3: was at the ground around there was summertime, the ground
Speaker 3: was incredibly hard, like concrete, Like if you took a
Speaker 3: pick to that, it would probably bounce off. No way,
Speaker 3: you're seeing footprints anywhere there. In my latency of being
Speaker 3: really aware of them and everything else, I didn't think
Speaker 3: to look for hair on the ground. I did tell Scott,
Speaker 3: I did tell Kevin. I didn't tell Kirk. I did
Speaker 3: tell those guys, Hey, this experience happened. So we went
Speaker 3: over there and looked, and they didn't even see anything.
Speaker 3: There was nothing that we could say, Okay, definitively we
Speaker 3: know this happened because look at this. But however, I
Speaker 3: would say the gentleman, and this is an important point,
Speaker 3: who was down? I don't know this guy is at
Speaker 3: this point. At one point I had his information. He
Speaker 3: had come in Thursday night and was camped just down
Speaker 3: the way from me, and he had heard it walk
Speaker 3: down the road and walk away. So I had one,
Speaker 3: only one credible witness at the time that did hear
Speaker 3: it walk down the road and walk away?
Speaker 2: Big for the society, who will be right back after
Speaker 2: these messages?
Speaker 3: But no prints or anything. And Scott and them, I
Speaker 3: didn't see them find anything, like, hey, oh my god,
Speaker 3: look this this is an important thing to take. Let's
Speaker 3: take a sample of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did the hand in the arm?
Speaker 2: Was it visible that you could see like hair hanging
Speaker 2: off the arm or any color to hair if it
Speaker 2: had it or anything at that.
Speaker 3: No, the tent. If you look these tents up, it's
Speaker 3: called the hobbitat. I don't know if they sell them anymore,
Speaker 3: but I had my. I'm always a little bit personal,
Speaker 3: especially that personably, I like privacy and a tent. So
Speaker 3: I close the flaps that you can see in with
Speaker 3: I think if that had been open, I would have
Speaker 3: seen out it and seen it definitively for sure. But
Speaker 3: because it's going through it, it's a tent, it's pushing
Speaker 3: into a tent. There's you couldn't see any hair or
Speaker 3: the body or anything like this. It was just all
Speaker 3: you can see are the giant fingers trying to touch
Speaker 3: something in the tent.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh man, that is That's such an incredible
Speaker 2: thing to have happen. And how long did it take
Speaker 2: for you to share them when you got home or
Speaker 2: was it a thing where you held on to it
Speaker 2: for a while before you shared with your family.
Speaker 3: I actually my wife had been with a friend down
Speaker 3: in Oregon and they were at her house and the
Speaker 3: first this is just like a little sideshoot of how
Speaker 3: this affected me, which was interesting. I At first, I
Speaker 3: came out of there because I hadn't been drinking for
Speaker 3: four or five days. They said no alcohol up there,
Speaker 3: so I said, fine, I'll follow your rules. No drinking.
Speaker 3: It's not tough for me to do that. I think
Speaker 3: that makes sense. So you don't want to say you
Speaker 3: had an experience and they're like, were you on anything?
Speaker 3: So I didn't drink up there. So when I came
Speaker 3: out of the mountains, I was like, wow, like that
Speaker 3: everything that happened up there. I need a drink and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have some margaritas. So I came into a
Speaker 3: Mexican food restaurant and these people were all partying in
Speaker 3: at this table, this big old family. They were laughing
Speaker 3: and talking and I came in. I hadn't showered in
Speaker 3: four days, and I looked like I had seen a ghost.
Speaker 3: My eyes were like saucer play. They were huge, and
Speaker 3: I looked and everybody, the body went quiet in the place.
Speaker 3: Just the vibe changed immediately, like a drop of the dime,
Speaker 3: like you hear a pin drop in the place. And
Speaker 3: I was like, table for one, sat me down, and
Speaker 3: then I went down. After I had some lunch or
Speaker 3: coming out of the mountains, a couple of drinks. Margaritis
Speaker 3: went down and met my wife and they're like, what happened?
Speaker 3: They're like, are you okay? I was like, I need
Speaker 3: another drink. I just can't. I can't. I don't know
Speaker 3: how to put to words what happened up there. You're
Speaker 3: gonna think I'm nuts. This is like unbelievable. This happened.
Speaker 3: Then this happened, and we did this. I talked to
Speaker 3: him for an hour and a half. Immediately I was
Speaker 3: my daughters, who were I don't know at the seven
Speaker 3: or eight at the point or not, is there were
Speaker 3: like five six about the same age at that point,
Speaker 3: because only it was only like six months later that
Speaker 3: I went from that first place at maracamp Arounds to
Speaker 3: that expedition the same year, twenty twelve. They had really
Speaker 3: big eyes and they were looking at me like I
Speaker 3: was telling some kind of a fantasy story, and I
Speaker 3: was trying to cut out things that were really scary
Speaker 3: because I'm like, they're staring at me. I don't want
Speaker 3: to scare my kids. But it is an important point
Speaker 3: to recognize that to this day, my in terms of
Speaker 3: morcamp grounds. Skipping way back to the beginning, of things.
Speaker 3: She won't go out there and camp anymore. She does
Speaker 3: not feel comfortable out there. She's literally scared of that area.
Speaker 3: And I have I'm planning to go out actually this
Speaker 3: summer with a group the same spot where that this
Speaker 3: incident I'm telling about reached in the tent happened and
Speaker 3: try and hike to the same area where we found
Speaker 3: the bones and everything. So I'm going to do a
Speaker 3: mini expedition with a group of people out there that
Speaker 3: I know and trust and I've been with for quite
Speaker 3: a long time, So.
Speaker 2: That that is amazing. Did anything else interesting happen during
Speaker 2: that expedition that you were part of at that time.
Speaker 3: Other than the lightning storm we didn't have. I mean,
Speaker 3: there were a variety of things that happened to other
Speaker 3: people that they had their experiences of things, but I
Speaker 3: can't speak to that because I wasn't a part of it.
Speaker 3: So I whenever I tell some experience I had in bigfooting,
Speaker 3: I speak to the experience of my own experience. When
Speaker 3: somebody says they believe in bigfoot, I say, I don't
Speaker 3: think you should do that. Don't listen to other people
Speaker 3: and believe in well, I mean, for your show. Maybe
Speaker 3: this is a good thing. It's entertaining, right, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: But I really say, hey, take somebody with you, you trust.
Speaker 3: Take something to protect yourself out in the woods, bear
Speaker 3: mace or what have you, whatever you need. Go out
Speaker 3: in an area that is remote, and if you've heard
Speaker 3: stories in the area, check it out. But make sure
Speaker 3: you take somebody with you and be safe. Take us
Speaker 3: a small group of people, stay together and experience something
Speaker 3: that you can't explain. Because I've heard of so many
Speaker 3: stories with so many other people, and you can tell
Speaker 3: when somebody's really telling you the truth, they're not. Out
Speaker 3: of all the people I interviewed over the years of
Speaker 3: the BFO I heard, I'd talk to some people. I
Speaker 3: was like, that's just total, that's not that did not happen.
Speaker 3: I can tell, and other people you can hear their
Speaker 3: voice shake like mine does a little bit when I
Speaker 3: recount some of these things, because it's a real experience
Speaker 3: and it really happened, and it's then even now you
Speaker 3: can it's frightening. It's it was frightening then, and to
Speaker 3: recount and relive it, it's frightening now. And so when
Speaker 3: I hear other people having experiences on these in these situations,
Speaker 3: on these expeditions online or something like this. I take
Speaker 3: it with a grain of salt, and I don't try
Speaker 3: and tell someone else their story because that's not my
Speaker 3: place to act like I'm them. And that's something I
Speaker 3: really know what that was like, and whether they're telling
Speaker 3: the truth or not, that's up to somebody else's opinion
Speaker 3: at that point, if they really believe that or not.
Speaker 3: But out of all the people I interviewed, I found
Speaker 3: quite quite a lot of them were really credible, and
Speaker 3: the ones that weren't you could easily tell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I respect your viewpoint on that for sure.
Speaker 2: After you had this experience with the arm coming into
Speaker 2: your tent, how did that affect the way that you
Speaker 2: looked at Bigfoot? Or did it send you on this
Speaker 2: crazy quest for a few years where you just all
Speaker 2: you were just engrossed into the subject.
Speaker 3: My wife remembers me saying things like, Okay, the group's
Speaker 3: going out to bumping like again, Bob Gimlin's nat and
Speaker 3: Ron Moorehead's going to be out there, Scott's going to
Speaker 3: be like the whole group. I felt like I had
Speaker 3: found my people at that point. I was like and
Speaker 3: she and my wife's really supportive of me. She is
Speaker 3: the best person on the planet. She's the most godly,
Speaker 3: angelic supportive person you would ever meet. And she supported
Speaker 3: me through I'm a musician. She supported me through years
Speaker 3: of you need to go play music with your buds,
Speaker 3: go do that. You need to go bigfooting, go do that.
Speaker 3: You need to go fishing, go do that. Can't buy yourself,
Speaker 3: go do that. That's amazing. I have to call her
Speaker 3: out for amazing support in my life. But then when
Speaker 3: I had those experiences, I was like, I need to
Speaker 3: go out to bumping like almost every weekend because the
Speaker 3: thing's going on. And we had lots of experiences out
Speaker 3: there too that were like amazing experiences with bigfoot. That
Speaker 3: I found a print that was sixteen inches that I kept,
Speaker 3: just huge print. It was so deep in the ground.
Speaker 3: We had a guy, this guy Jeff Robinson, who tried
Speaker 3: to stop on the ground. Jeff at the time weighed
Speaker 3: two fifty two sixty, he's sixty four, six ' five,
Speaker 3: he's a big guy, thirteen inch footprint shoes and he
Speaker 3: couldn't make any print in the ground. And we didn't
Speaker 3: have a plaster of Paris who covered the print. The
Speaker 3: print was a good three inches into the ground, and
Speaker 3: there was another print off the other side of the
Speaker 3: foot six seven feet away, and then a third one
Speaker 3: on its toe, as if it started running. All kinds
Speaker 3: of experiences. I went out there every weekend. My wife
Speaker 3: was just like, you're going out there again. It was like,
Speaker 3: I have to like it ended up at a point
Speaker 3: where I broke off from those groups and going out
Speaker 3: with them, and I went with my own guys, and
Speaker 3: then and then that subside and those guys moved away
Speaker 3: and did other things, and now I just go out
Speaker 3: with a couple of people once in a while, and
Speaker 3: it's I don't do the BFRO expeditions anymore, and I'm
Speaker 3: not really a part of the bf or. I don't
Speaker 3: check there. They have a thing, a background site you
Speaker 3: can check and look at, and I'm sure I could
Speaker 3: log in again and look at and invite somebody to
Speaker 3: tell me their story and everything else, but I just
Speaker 3: don't do that as much. I had so many experiences
Speaker 3: that I'm like, these things are definitely alive and out there.
Speaker 3: And if you go out in the woods and you're camping
Speaker 3: and you have an experience in great that's fantastic, and
Speaker 3: we have had I've had experiences now more recently where
Speaker 3: a piece of wood the size of five six inches
Speaker 3: as their comference was hit on a tree and then
Speaker 3: a branch that big was just torn off the tree
Speaker 3: eighty feet in front of us as me, my one
Speaker 3: of my good friends and another guy named Dave Grant
Speaker 3: were walking up a trail and it was right in
Speaker 3: front of us broad daylight. It was incredible. Now that's
Speaker 3: what I do now, I'm I'm I wouldn't say I'm
Speaker 3: retired from big footing. I still do it, and I
Speaker 3: have a channel called out Squatching where I post videos
Speaker 3: and so just a baby chat's not all the gear channel.
Speaker 3: I think you have a beautiful channel, but it's just
Speaker 3: in development. For it's mostly for me going out and
Speaker 3: having experiences with people and not unlike you interview people.
Speaker 3: I just want to go out and post experiences and
Speaker 3: show people how to camp and review camping gear and
Speaker 3: things like this for fun.
Speaker 2: That's awesome because I think it takes both of those
Speaker 2: type of media formats, at least that's my personal I
Speaker 2: like both of those, like the channels where you're interviewing
Speaker 2: the person that had the experience, but then also the
Speaker 2: people like yourself or Alex Pettakov or Tate Hieronymous, where
Speaker 2: you're actually going out into the field and documenting that
Speaker 2: for people that cannot go out themselves.
Speaker 1: Is it possible?
Speaker 2: And I was laughing before because not that I was
Speaker 2: laughing at you, but because I get that a lot,
Speaker 2: especially after going out to Oregon. Then I'm not as
Speaker 2: deep into this whole field work thing, but I get
Speaker 2: how it grabs a hold of you. Can you is
Speaker 2: it even possible to explain to a person who hasn't
Speaker 2: been out there and had it just grab a hold
Speaker 2: of your focus? Why is it that you get so enamored?
Speaker 3: I think I've always been one to have an aspect
Speaker 3: of myself that I love the mysterious. I love the
Speaker 3: mystery of life that I can't explain things that are
Speaker 3: incredible on life. My father, coming from his genes, he
Speaker 3: was a brilliant scientist, like an Einstein level scientist. He's
Speaker 3: taught himself up to a PhD level by the time
Speaker 3: he was eighteen years old, mathematics, so he could design
Speaker 3: radar and teach it to other people. By the time
Speaker 3: he was nineteen that were full on college educated people
Speaker 3: that he would teach them how to design and build
Speaker 3: radar systems. So I have a similar level of just
Speaker 3: intrigue about mystery and how things work and what's going
Speaker 3: on with is. I'm fascinated about all kinds of the
Speaker 3: dynamics of life and UFOs and everything. I think it's
Speaker 3: all really fascinating. I've often told my wife, you know,
Speaker 3: whenever you're in life and you're doing something and you
Speaker 3: think life is boring and all I'm doing is standing,
Speaker 3: you're doing this thing, don't forget the real physics of
Speaker 3: life is such that and this is a real calculation.
Speaker 3: I believe you could look this up. You're going through
Speaker 3: space and time at twenty six million miles per second,
Speaker 3: and who knows where. We're just going through space and
Speaker 3: time out in or out to some distant thing at
Speaker 3: an incredible rate. Right, But it feels like you're just
Speaker 3: it's just a normal life. Sometimes there's no mystery to it.
Speaker 3: But I think, well, if you really look around the
Speaker 3: corners of life, and you really keep your field of
Speaker 3: vision open and your mind open to things, and don't
Speaker 3: close it off to things, I find that there is
Speaker 3: a mystery everywhere to something and that bigfooting is just
Speaker 3: one of those mysteries. No one, you can't man some people.
Speaker 3: I've heard people literally say, I've shaking hands the big Foot,
Speaker 3: I've sitting down, I sit down. I talk to him daily,
Speaker 3: and I just from my experiences, I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 3: Maybe you're a unique person, and maybe that's keeping an
Speaker 3: open mind. Maybe that person really does do that, but
Speaker 3: I personally can't imagine that really happening with them. I
Speaker 3: believe that they are a nomadic really rare to see
Speaker 3: a species of wild human being that, in my personal opinion,
Speaker 3: I believe the reason why they have a this is
Speaker 3: a part of the mystery of it to me. But
Speaker 3: the reason why they have a occipital is it except
Speaker 3: the load the top of their head, the way it
Speaker 3: peaks up at a point a sagile cress sect is
Speaker 3: that they that has a really developed gland in it,
Speaker 3: their pituitary gland and what's called the crystal cave it's
Speaker 3: been noted to be called. And that combined with the
Speaker 3: fact that they don't have any distractions like we do.
Speaker 3: They don't have TVs, they don't have maybe I don't
Speaker 3: know if they do. Who knows. I don't think they
Speaker 3: have as much like to worry about their ego or
Speaker 3: if they make enough money or did enough that year
Speaker 3: to feel, you know, like their life is good. But
Speaker 3: I believe that sagittal crest and the pituitary go line
Speaker 3: in the fact that they don't have those distractions, and
Speaker 3: even more importantly, they've taught each other how to do this.
Speaker 3: I believe that there's a possibility that they could zip
Speaker 3: in an out of reality when they need to. And
Speaker 3: many people have said. The Native Americans have said this,
Speaker 3: that they their right of passage is to be invisible
Speaker 3: right in front of you and almost I think it's
Speaker 3: called counting crows, or there's a name for it. The
Speaker 3: Native Americans who say, if you can go up and
Speaker 3: touch another warrior and get away without being shot by
Speaker 3: an arrow, that is you've earned your place. The Native
Speaker 3: Americans say the Bigfoot do the same thing. Maybe not
Speaker 3: go up and touch somebody, they have to wave their
Speaker 3: arms and be right in front of you, visible, and
Speaker 3: then they've gotten to that point. So how you can
Speaker 3: prove this obviously impossible to try and prove unless you
Speaker 3: want to really listen to the Native Americans, And there
Speaker 3: you should listen to them because they been around for
Speaker 3: a long time and they're not making a lot of
Speaker 3: this stuff up.
Speaker 2: Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: It's free, but in looking at all, that's why I
Speaker 3: think it really gets me out of the woods. And
Speaker 3: I'm still interested in this after all these years, because
Speaker 3: there's things I can't prove, and I'm glad I can't.
Speaker 3: It's an aspect of life that it's good to have
Speaker 3: mystery in your life. It's good to find some mystery
Speaker 3: in life around you. It's good to believe in things
Speaker 3: you can't understand a little bit and seek those answers
Speaker 3: out even if you can't explain it. There's a Buddhist saying,
Speaker 3: and I could get this wrong, but I believe there's
Speaker 3: this Buddhist saying that says I will keep we will
Speaker 3: keep trying to achieve nirvana, even though achieving their vane
Speaker 3: it is impossible. You can It's like catching up to light.
Speaker 3: If you're traveling at the speed a light. You can't
Speaker 3: do it. Never gonna explain it, don't even try. But
Speaker 3: big footing could be the same thing. It could be
Speaker 3: unexplainable period for a long time. Oh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, has there been a time when you have been
Speaker 2: on an expedition something happened that is just so far
Speaker 2: outside the realm of explanation that you just had to
Speaker 2: be like, I don't know what happened there.
Speaker 1: It was pretty cool, but it was weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have one, and a lot of people speak
Speaker 3: to this, capturing pictures of or seeing lights around expeditions.
Speaker 3: A lot of people see at the one I went
Speaker 3: to in twenty twelve, they were seeing these blue and
Speaker 3: red dots of light go between the trees and couldn't
Speaker 3: explain it wasn't during the lightning storm because it wasn't
Speaker 3: ball lightning, as some listeners might say, Oh that's ball lightning.
Speaker 3: It was that wasn't happening right then. But when I
Speaker 3: did go out to another place, I won't give the
Speaker 3: name of this place because it's a little bit coveted
Speaker 3: amongst the bigfoot community. I don't want to overload a
Speaker 3: people and have hundreds of people out there. And last
Speaker 3: time some bigfooters went out there, they were parked in
Speaker 3: the grass. A sheriff showed up and called in a
Speaker 3: tribal police and they kicked them out of the area.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if it's because people are messing
Speaker 3: the area up or what. But we're at this one
Speaker 3: space and we took about six people out and we're like,
Speaker 3: let's go for a night walk. You see what's going on.
Speaker 3: And this happened twice at the same location. Actually three
Speaker 3: times we caught I have a picture of one of
Speaker 3: these things, a really clear picture. It's the same thing
Speaker 3: that Ron Moorehead saw when he was up and doing
Speaker 3: the expeditions up in the Sierras, and he recorded all
Speaker 3: that information. In fact, me, Ron and this guy Chris
Speaker 3: Binden went out privately and just three of us went
Speaker 3: out and sitting out in the woods having rum and
Speaker 3: cokes and talking about life. And he spoke to the
Speaker 3: idea of these bars of light that would go by,
Speaker 3: almost like a lightsaber they would see fly by in
Speaker 3: the for us. And so this one spot we went
Speaker 3: to friend of mine. Chris put his foot down on
Speaker 3: the ground in this spot, we had a gifting tree area,
Speaker 3: left a camera there, and then in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night, about two in the morning, this bar of
Speaker 3: light flew by right in front of the camera. It's
Speaker 3: got wings on both sides that are undulating on both sides,
Speaker 3: and it's a square bar of light, so it's not
Speaker 3: a bird, and the ferns and everything light up a
Speaker 3: little bit move out of the way as it comes by,
Speaker 3: and then they go right back in a position, not
Speaker 3: back and forth and back and forth, just they almost
Speaker 3: like they lifted a little bit as it went through,
Speaker 3: and then they went right back into their normal position
Speaker 3: the same place out there. These are two different times.
Speaker 3: One time I went out with this lady, Aaron, who's
Speaker 3: been on a bunch of shows and TV things and
Speaker 3: movies have made a big foot and Dave Grant, we're
Speaker 3: walking down the road at this place and we look
Speaker 3: around the corner and we see the weirdest crap you
Speaker 3: could ever see, sitting there, floating in the air, about
Speaker 3: six feet off the ground. It was a blue pyramid
Speaker 3: on top and a red pyramid on the bottom, and
Speaker 3: it was about it was about six inches I think
Speaker 3: it was about six inches total. If you were right
Speaker 3: next to it, it'd be about six inches tall. It
Speaker 3: was about the distance from us was about i'd say
Speaker 3: about one hundred or one hundred and twenty feet, and
Speaker 3: it was just floating. It was just hovering. It was
Speaker 3: undulating up and down just a little bit, and then
Speaker 3: it just went blink. I was gone, and I don't
Speaker 3: know what that was. But the same place where that
Speaker 3: bar of light and that happened took another group of
Speaker 3: people out. We're going down the road. They kept going
Speaker 3: down the road, and I thought, I'm going to stop
Speaker 3: here because they're talking. They're being really loud. I'm going
Speaker 3: to stop in one spot, turn my headlamp off. I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna listen and see what's going on. And then
Speaker 3: I hear something moving down through the brush towards me,
Speaker 3: like a big sound, like a bear or something, and
Speaker 3: so I said, hey, I can hear you, just to
Speaker 3: let it know I was there, and it stopped dead.
Speaker 3: It just froze all of a sudden, and then right
Speaker 3: down the road around the corner, I thought that must
Speaker 3: be the guys that their headlamps of something, and nope,
Speaker 3: it was in almost the same spot. There was a
Speaker 3: triangular shaped thing that was orange. It had two dots
Speaker 3: on each one of the sides had two orange dots,
Speaker 3: and it was floating in the air and then it
Speaker 3: did the same thing, so it plink and disappeared. And
Speaker 3: I can't explain that, but I do have a picture
Speaker 3: of one of those things in that area, which is fascinating.
Speaker 3: That's the only area that I've ever seen things like
Speaker 3: that where it's I've heard of lots of people seeing
Speaker 3: orbs of light all over the place, but that's the
Speaker 3: only spot where I've seen actually seen fairly diverse quality
Speaker 3: of them too, like weird shapes and things. I can't
Speaker 3: even imagine what that is. And I wouldn't even want
Speaker 3: to try and say what that is, because it's then
Speaker 3: I'd be making stuff up, and I don't Whenever I
Speaker 3: do this stuff and i'd tell someone what's an experiencing that,
Speaker 3: I'd say, this is what happened. I don't know what
Speaker 3: to say about it. I can't even tell you because
Speaker 3: if I start really expanding on that and started saying,
Speaker 3: really what that is, it's part of the pleating and
Speaker 3: craft that landed, just like making stuff up at that point. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's that's that amongst many things that have happened
Speaker 3: out there. We just can't explain it, but that's what happened.
Speaker 1: So that is really interesting.
Speaker 2: You're the first person that I've been that I've talked
Speaker 2: to that has mentioned something about a triangular shape. That's
Speaker 2: very interesting. But like you hear all these people seeing
Speaker 2: things like that, and from your account to orbs in
Speaker 2: Iowa and Backbone State Park, or you've got this story
Speaker 2: that Adam Davies shares down in southern Oregon, and it's
Speaker 2: you put all this stuff together and it's, man, what's
Speaker 2: really going on here? I don't know if we'll ever
Speaker 2: really figure it out, but yes, it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: Part of the part of that mystery, part of that mystery,
Speaker 3: it's like maybe it's maybe that's it. It's just there
Speaker 3: for you to not figure it out, just to their
Speaker 3: experiences to allow human beings, which I really believe like
Speaker 3: eighty maybe ninety ninety five percent of people out there
Speaker 3: maybe a lot of your listeners too, will probably agree.
Speaker 3: You can talk to some people about bigfoot and everybody
Speaker 3: knows that, and everybody knows the word bigfoot, just about everybody.
Speaker 3: Ninety ninety five percent of people you talk to about
Speaker 3: that one have never had experience two often believe. Like
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, before pre twenty twelve, before I really talk
Speaker 3: to people, I was on that same level. I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: this bigfoot guy, he really gets around. See him up
Speaker 3: in Oregon. They see him in California. He must be
Speaker 3: taking an uber everywhere really fast, because this guy is
Speaker 3: really getting around and I never thought about Now it's
Speaker 3: more in my perspective that there's numerous clans of them.
Speaker 3: There's numerous varieties of them. There's numerous ways of them acting.
Speaker 3: Some are benevolent, some are dangerous. You don't want to
Speaker 3: get near certain areas where they're at. They will hurt you.
Speaker 3: They have different ways to and I'm not saying everyone
Speaker 3: should be scared of them out there, but I believe
Speaker 3: a majority of them will let you know when you're
Speaker 3: in an area you shouldn't be, and if you're paying
Speaker 3: attention and you really either it's body language they start
Speaker 3: throwing something. I've had one of my vehicles in this
Speaker 3: one area. It's a coveted space I go to. I
Speaker 3: don't drive my vehicle in there anymore because three separate
Speaker 3: times it's been electronically broken and I've had to spend
Speaker 3: fifty five hundred dollars to repair it. And my wife's like,
Speaker 3: anytime I go out to these space she's like, you're
Speaker 3: not going to go down that one spot because we
Speaker 3: can't afford one thousand dollars two thousand dollars three thousand
Speaker 3: dollars truck repair of the life, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't, definitely, I don't want the same spot we had.
Speaker 3: Phones were going wacky. The phone batteries were going down
Speaker 3: to zero, then going back up to eighty, then going
Speaker 3: back down to fifteen percent. All the cameras we were
Speaker 3: using were going out. They had full batteries completely out overnight.
Speaker 3: Time the truck. One episode, I couldn't open my doors
Speaker 3: if something had leaned on the top of it and
Speaker 3: bent the frame so that door was all stuck. It
Speaker 3: screwed up. The other time I went out there, my
Speaker 3: starter broke. The guy who took it and looked at
Speaker 3: it that was from the shop said it's as if
Speaker 3: a pulse of energy went through it, like it's fried.
Speaker 3: And I kept that starter. I still have it because
Speaker 3: I'm one day I'm gonna have somebody forensically go through
Speaker 3: it and go what could do that? If it was
Speaker 3: perfectly fine before? What did that? Another time I went
Speaker 3: out there and my truck got stuck in two wheel
Speaker 3: high and it took me ten hours to drive home,
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty miles from the spot, and my
Speaker 3: friend was like, are we ever getting home? Because we're
Speaker 3: driving home at thirty miles an hour. Yeah, you can
Speaker 3: tell the Bigfoots are laughing. They're like, and I don't
Speaker 3: even know if it's big flood like that. I can't
Speaker 3: blame it on the big Foots. It could be any
Speaker 3: stick people.
Speaker 2: So when you've gone out and done research, has it
Speaker 2: always been in the state of Washington, then.
Speaker 3: I the reason why I do. I have a very
Speaker 3: particular reason. I don't know if anybody out there has
Speaker 3: the same reasoning why they go out. I got to
Speaker 3: the same areas almost every time. My reasoning is I
Speaker 3: want them to get to know me. I want them
Speaker 3: to see me. They they never hurt me. They never
Speaker 3: other than damaging my vehicle, they never hurt me. I
Speaker 3: don't feel like I've ever been threatened. I've been out
Speaker 3: in a tent pitch black by myself, hundreds of yards
Speaker 3: away from my friends who were parked in a parking
Speaker 3: a lot, and have them get closer and closer, whipping
Speaker 3: branches on trees, and then tear a branch off a
Speaker 3: tree right next to my tent. Really loud and kind
Speaker 3: of unsettling and scary. And I have that actually posted
Speaker 3: that online for a while and maybe I'll repost that
Speaker 3: one day. I took it down at one point because
Speaker 3: I thought it was just at a point in my
Speaker 3: life where I'm like, how are people looking this up
Speaker 3: and thinking I'm crazy? Like they're going to think I
Speaker 3: just had my friends walk up and start whipping branches
Speaker 3: outside of my tent. What does that prove? But it's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a big Footing is a fascinating thing, and I
Speaker 3: don't sometimes some of the things I've done, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: recommend anybody go out there and go by yourself and
Speaker 3: pitch tent and the pitch black, by yourself in the
Speaker 3: middle of no where, no one around you. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's a great idea. There are people in places
Speaker 3: in the United States in the world too broad daylight
Speaker 3: have disappeared, let alone doing that. And my wife now
Speaker 3: will say, hey, you're taking somebody with you, right, And
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, all right, you know I'm saying if
Speaker 3: I'm a big guy's going to take me. But other
Speaker 3: people the same things that said the same thing disappeared. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I followed your question right there too.
Speaker 2: No I think that's good, and so I'm definitely going
Speaker 2: to link your channel in the show notes for this
Speaker 2: so people can check it out. I would Yeah, if
Speaker 2: you're thinking about maybe posting that video again, I might
Speaker 2: recommend it if for the only reason that maybe someone
Speaker 2: else has experienced the same thing, and if they see that,
Speaker 2: they could be like, oh, maybe I'm not crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but to you, of course.
Speaker 3: But bigfooting is a fascinating thing. It's one of those
Speaker 3: I've always felt pretty privileged. Oh and here, let me
Speaker 3: get back on track. I remember the reason why this
Speaker 3: is my specific thing, why I don't do this. So
Speaker 3: when I go out in bigfoot sorry, I got there.
Speaker 3: I'm going to truck. Actually, I have to let you know.
Speaker 3: I'm in a truck and there's cars going by occasionally
Speaker 3: I'm having to see and do things while I'm talking
Speaker 3: to you. So the point of me going out to
Speaker 3: these areas that are really common for me and I
Speaker 3: don't go to other states and everything else is I'm
Speaker 3: not really interested in going to experience bigfoots everywhere and
Speaker 3: all over the place. My point that I have that
Speaker 3: I've always been really interested in is part of my
Speaker 3: history is I've done reiki for many years, and seventeen
Speaker 3: years old, I had been a healer in various ways
Speaker 3: for a long time. I've really been into that. I'm
Speaker 3: still really really into that. I use it to heal
Speaker 3: myself if I get injured family members and friends and
Speaker 3: whatever else. But that being said, I believe that the
Speaker 3: Sasquatches have just like the Native Americans do. Each clan
Speaker 3: has its shamanic person. Each clan has one or two
Speaker 3: that are like the leaders. They really listen to these ones.
Speaker 3: Each clan has some motherly types that are like like
Speaker 3: the mother Teresa's of the clan, that are like the
Speaker 3: female ones that really listen to. There are the patriarchs
Speaker 3: and matriarchs of the clan specifically, though, because I've been
Speaker 3: very interested in healing a long time, I'm really interested
Speaker 3: in slowly gaining the trust of these groupings of them.
Speaker 3: And I would say I've had a particularly large amount
Speaker 3: of experiences in these areas, maybe more than somebody who
Speaker 3: shows up and has not been seen by them. Right.
Speaker 3: But I'm always thinking how fascinating it would be to
Speaker 3: have the one that is like the shamanic one, or
Speaker 3: the medicine one, the medicine man for them to show
Speaker 3: up and interact with you. Heck, I'd even be at
Speaker 3: this point in my life interested in just seeing one
Speaker 3: fully completely, even though it would still I think it
Speaker 3: can still be terrifying. But that's my personal perspective. Is
Speaker 3: to gain the trust of the clans that are in
Speaker 3: the area. The clans up by Klalan in those areas
Speaker 3: are not called Their actual name is the Siotic. The
Speaker 3: Native Americans, the the cod tribe and everything know them
Speaker 3: as the Siotic. They're a tribe of people, and so
Speaker 3: I'm more interested in gaining the trust of the Seotech
Speaker 3: then than going everywhere and doing expeditions and proving they
Speaker 3: exist here, improving and seeing a different variety down here,
Speaker 3: and going to California and so forth, and meeting everybody
Speaker 3: who knows everything about Bigfoot. Just that's my perspective. But
Speaker 3: I'm sure those other people out there have met many people.
Speaker 3: They want to go to every expedition they can. They
Speaker 3: want to meet everybody, they want to go to all
Speaker 3: the forums that they do. My friends are just at
Speaker 3: they want to do. They want to meet everybody. They
Speaker 3: want to hear the crazy stories of people with these
Speaker 3: unusual weird abilities and the bigfoots that are in their
Speaker 3: living room every night like super entertaining, and I think
Speaker 3: it's entertaining. I go to these things sometimes and I
Speaker 3: just want to. It's like sometimes for me, it's like
Speaker 3: going to a circus. People talk about having a baby
Speaker 3: big foot in their house and they're taking care of it,
Speaker 3: and we're like, oh, can we see the Bigfoot. They're like, oh, no,
Speaker 3: doesn't like to talk to people. Like, Okay, that's it's it.
Speaker 3: Maybe they really do. I don't know you. I'm not
Speaker 3: putting them down and saying they don't. But it's fascinating
Speaker 3: to me that there's so many stories.
Speaker 1: There are, and.
Speaker 2: Just you alluded to it where when you were talking
Speaker 2: how it was almost like you forgot how that different
Speaker 2: Bigfoot events happened in the same year. Bigfoot Society will
Speaker 2: be right back after these messages, and I think I
Speaker 2: can understand that because this just this last year, I've
Speaker 2: had a lot happen. Is once you start going out
Speaker 2: there into areas like I guess it could be anywhere
Speaker 2: Iowa or Oregon, your life gets very intense and you
Speaker 2: start to forget how much can happen within a year.
Speaker 2: But I've seen stuff happen where I don't discount anything.
Speaker 2: I give everything a chance. And maybe that's me being
Speaker 2: I'm not smart, but I've seen weird stuff already. Dude,
Speaker 2: I'm only into this like a few years. Are there
Speaker 2: any people that you would recommend trying to talk to
Speaker 2: you that have things to share but they just never
Speaker 2: really get talked to.
Speaker 3: Most of the people that I used to go out
Speaker 3: with I don't anymore. And I don't want to give
Speaker 3: any reasoning why bad mouth talk about friendships come or
Speaker 3: friendships that have gone, or anything like this. It's mostly
Speaker 3: personal choice. I've just got a busy life in other ways,
Speaker 3: other things to do. I'm raising teenage daughters. I've just
Speaker 3: got a different life. There was a phase where I
Speaker 3: really wanted to associate with all of them and be
Speaker 3: on the phone with them once a week. Okay, what's
Speaker 3: happening now, where's the activity? Tell me everything? When you
Speaker 3: went out again? Okay, let's meet the spot. It was
Speaker 3: just a phase I went through where I really want
Speaker 3: to do that I learned enough, and that I learned
Speaker 3: enough to take that to the mountains by myself or
Speaker 3: with a couple of buddies and I can just out
Speaker 3: with I don't have to follow some of the rules
Speaker 3: are a little bit stringent. They they're out there too.
Speaker 3: They want to be scientific about it and they want
Speaker 3: to prove they exist. And I don't have to prove
Speaker 3: they exist to myself or anybody. If somebody says they
Speaker 3: don't exist, I'll say, oh, have you gone out and
Speaker 3: tried to have experiences? Like, oh no, but I've read online.
Speaker 3: I'll be like, Okay, that's somebody's that's their perspective, and
Speaker 3: that's perfectly fine. Mine is. I like to go out
Speaker 3: with my buddies. I like to have a couple of
Speaker 3: beers and laugh around a campfire. We hear a weird sound,
Speaker 3: Just take that to note there's a weird sound happening
Speaker 3: if something pushes your tent in or you know, we
Speaker 3: put recording devices out and we put a camera here
Speaker 3: and there away from our campsite to see if anything
Speaker 3: walks by it. You know. But I don't really I
Speaker 3: can't really recommend anybody in particular that you should call
Speaker 3: up I. You know, I have Ron Moorehead's cell phone,
Speaker 3: but I'm not given that and I wrong be too happy. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's a really cool guy. Yeah, if anybody so the listeners,
Speaker 3: if anybody finds his or if you're the person who
Speaker 3: took his hat, get it back to wrong man. That's
Speaker 3: not cool.
Speaker 1: Oh he lost his hat, Oh dear.
Speaker 3: Someone stole Like let's get ended up at a Bigfoot
Speaker 3: museum one of these days. And it's just that it
Speaker 3: was his hat, like he had that a long time.
Speaker 1: That sucks.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I know, but yeah, I can't really, And
Speaker 3: the only reason I can't is that I think if
Speaker 3: you really want to learn about Bigfoot, first, I think
Speaker 3: a really good book to read, and I've talked to
Speaker 3: I think is what's his name, Jim, he's the guy
Speaker 3: who has He's from Ohio, I think, or where is
Speaker 3: it he's from. He's Meldrim, Jeff Meldrim.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, doctor Meldrim.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has a doctor Meldrim. I've talked to him
Speaker 3: before and showed him footprints. Really nice guy, fairly open
Speaker 3: to things, and he's got a really good book up
Speaker 3: that I read cover and cover. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: that's a good read. Do that. Go out with your friends,
Speaker 3: have experiences, and pretty soon you're going to have an
Speaker 3: experience with them and you will be just like those
Speaker 3: people that you would normally say, hey, I have some questions,
Speaker 3: because those same people that go out all the time
Speaker 3: when they say I know everything, I'm a master at this,
Speaker 3: I've learned everything there is. They see a bigfoot every day,
Speaker 3: I don't to me, And I'm not calling anybody out
Speaker 3: of I'm just saying there are people that say that,
Speaker 3: I don't think that seems too real to me, and
Speaker 3: again keeping an open mind, maybe that's really happening to them.
Speaker 3: Maybe they are experiencing these things like that. But eventually,
Speaker 3: if you go out enough, you're going to be like
Speaker 3: somebody like me who like you're interviewing, or somebody else
Speaker 3: said I might meet and they're like, hey, tell me
Speaker 3: a bigfoot experience, or give me some pointers on bigfoot
Speaker 3: or what where else. You'll be just like those people
Speaker 3: because you'll have gone out enough times for enough years
Speaker 3: and had enough experiences over enough seasons with enough friends,
Speaker 3: and have enough I have so much audio now that
Speaker 3: I've literally I don't even listen to it anymore. I
Speaker 3: just what am I gonna do with it? I hear
Speaker 3: a grunt or hear something wack a try, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's one again, oh that's great. I have better things
Speaker 3: to do with my life. They are more important. It's
Speaker 3: just not as interesting. And again that comes on to
Speaker 3: the level of provability then you're having to do. My
Speaker 3: friends will say, hey, listen to this, isn't that cool,
Speaker 3: And they'll be like, wow, that's really cool, and you
Speaker 3: recorded something and that's a really interesting thing. But trying
Speaker 3: to prove it to other people. If somebody hears one
Speaker 3: of my videos i've put out, Like I just put
Speaker 3: one out. It was as short I put out. Literally
Speaker 3: something jumped in the river right next to where I
Speaker 3: was standing, or the campfire going in my tent, and
Speaker 3: I was just explaining. I was like whoa, And I
Speaker 3: went out there and only bit the next day. Couldn't
Speaker 3: have been a branch, wasn't a rock, no cliff there,
Speaker 3: couldn't find ay footprints, but something big jumped in People
Speaker 3: found it interesting, and hundreds of people looked at that
Speaker 3: video because they're like, oh, bigfoot jumps in the water
Speaker 3: kind of thing. Way more important to do stuff like
Speaker 3: that than to go up to somebody or well, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying don't go up to somebody ask questions, but
Speaker 3: I think you get more out of doing that then
Speaker 3: when you go up to some person, because that person
Speaker 3: is going to have a perspective, and that perspective might
Speaker 3: be I'm going to allow rate on these things at
Speaker 3: the point where you know, I've had people and I
Speaker 3: won't say again, not trying to put anybody now, but
Speaker 3: I'll say that where I've heard stories of people where
Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, I just I sit down with the
Speaker 3: Bigfoot anytime I want. He's in my backyard and we
Speaker 3: have some questions, we ask him, and he else everything.
Speaker 3: And it's better to have your own experience where you're like,
Speaker 3: is that possible? Really? If you go out for like
Speaker 3: over a decade, does that ever happen? Whatever happens when
Speaker 3: you see one, they often want to get away from you.
Speaker 3: They don't want to have a conversation with you. They
Speaker 3: don't want to tell you what happened to him that day.
Speaker 3: It's seemingly that seems like what's going on. And I
Speaker 3: can't say that's right for everybody. It's some people might
Speaker 3: say I don't have the gall I don't have the
Speaker 3: lower body parts to go out put myself in the
Speaker 3: woods and see what happens in the pitch black I
Speaker 3: don't even have friends that want to do I don't
Speaker 3: have the camping here, and so I think that's when
Speaker 3: you and I are doing this, we're giving somebody something
Speaker 3: to listen to where they do get to have an experience.
Speaker 3: They can feel the fear in somebody's voice, they can
Speaker 3: hear the story, they can get understanding what it's like
Speaker 3: to actually do these things, and do it in areas
Speaker 3: that are remote as I mean there is or you
Speaker 3: have to know where you're going. You can get lost
Speaker 3: on some of these roads that are way out there
Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere. There if your car breaks down,
Speaker 3: no one's showing up for you because you're way far
Speaker 3: out in the middle of nowhere, and things like this,
Speaker 3: and yeah, just fascinating to cap that off. If you
Speaker 3: can find somebody one of these things expeditions or something,
Speaker 3: I think it's just so much fun to talk to
Speaker 3: somebody about what experiences have you had, what's happened, what's
Speaker 3: going on, And that can be a very fascinating rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you can definitely learn a lot and apply to
Speaker 2: a lot of things that you may want to do
Speaker 2: or may not want to do to your own big footing.
Speaker 2: But Gee, it has been such a fascinating conversation with you.
Speaker 2: You've shared so much and I just want to say
Speaker 2: thank you for coming on the show today and remind
Speaker 2: people again that we will have the link to your
Speaker 2: YouTube channel down the show notes, so everyone go over there,
Speaker 2: check stuff out, subscribe all that good stuff.
Speaker 3: That sounds fantastic, and Jeremi, one of these days we'll
Speaker 3: have to physically meet. If you want to come up
Speaker 3: this season, I'd love to have you on the expedition
Speaker 3: out to the place out by Mount Saint Helens and
Speaker 3: Mount Adams where we did have experiences before and see
Speaker 3: if something happens. So just give me a ring when
Speaker 3: you want.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, thanks again, Gee.
Speaker 3: Okay cures.
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Speaker 2: These are all in Oregon, by the way, Oakridge, Dexter
Speaker 2: Fall Creek, to Shoot National Forest Area, Cultist Lake, Spirit Lake,
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