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Speaker 2: The one the only Max Chatwi Max. How the are you, buddy?
Speaker 4: Got all you guys doing.
Speaker 2: Doing fantastic?
Speaker 3: I know you guys broached the Holy War, Like, how
do you view the Holy or in relation to the
other rivalries in college football? Like I feel like, you know,
with big noon kickoff coming out here and evaluating this rivalry,
they're kind of opening themselves up to just how volatile,
how much, how vile. This rivalry can really get.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's certainly one of the most intense
rivalries that we have in college football right now. Obviously,
the two famasies do not like each other at all.
I've had plenty of people tell me it's the biggest
day in the state of Utah all year. I really
am excited for this Holy World of Water. Yeah, I
think it's certainly up there. It's one of the most
intense rivalries in the sport right now.
Speaker 3: So you guys did your breakdown on the Pro Football
Focused podcast. What were some of the storylines the keys
to the game that you guys delved into.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the Holy Warst probably be one of
the trenches on both sides of the ball. Honestly. I
think you got to watch at the offensive line ors
and defensive line for both teams, and I think b
Yu obviously your offensive center round the run game and
their offense lines are really good at blocking up the
run game this year, and Utahs had some issues and
run defense, but Utah has been elite in terms of
getting after the pass of this year. So it's really
to come down to Utah stop the run enough and
also pressure Bear Bachmeyer enough and then on the other
side too, Utah has one of the elite offensive lines
in the country with a really good run game. UA
has gotta be ready to put the stick of nose
in their run defense this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's an interesting battle, no doubt.
Speaker 3: For years Max this game was in the modern era
in the Kywitingham area, it's been somewhat dominated by Utah
Utah fans. Utah media would always cite talent gap. What
do you see as far as talent level is concerned
between these two teams?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's very similar. I think these are
two programs that are at the top of the Big
twelve right now, that they're among the five best teams.
I was saying in the Big twelve right now, maybe
even the three best teams. So I think talent level
is very very similar, which we should create a a
nail binder tomorrow night.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: As far as the quarterback play, Devin dan Pier versus
Bear Bachmeyer, who do you like better in this game? Obviously,
Devin's gonna have to play in a hostile environment on
grass I do think that that there's a component there.
He's typically playing on turf, you know, the surface area definitely,
or the surface that you're playing on, can you know,
be a little bit of a variable there. You have
a wild and rockous crowd. Bear Bachmeyer true freshman, and
he's played well at home, but maybe Utah's defense is
the best defense that he's faced all season long. Who
do you think ends up outperforming who Devin or Bear.
Speaker 4: Good question? I like Devin. I think honestly, they're very similar.
I don't think you know this one guy the superstar,
one guy is struggling. I think they're very similar in
terms of talent level right now. I think Dan Pier
is a little more experience. I'll give him. I might
give him the edge there, But I mean, like I said,
I think both quarterbacks have been performing on a similar
level this year. It was a pretty a decent level.
I'd said both of them are playing at right now.
So I think Devin, I'll give him the white edge,
but I don't think it's very much big difference from
either of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a lot of mirroring here right I
called this game the Spider Man meme. Statistically, side by side,
they look exactly the same talent level, they look exactly
the same quarterback.
Speaker 2: They look exactly the same.
Speaker 3: Even on their coaching staff, they have kind of this
cross pollination. You have Utah former Utah players and coaches
on BAU staff, and vice versa, players and coaches on
the University of Utah. Jason Becks a former BAU Cougar,
all their entire offensive staff, Kyle Winninghams a former BAU player.
Speaker 2: This is the spider Man meme game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, you could say that you look at the
two programs right now. Like I said, they are very
similar in terms of how they want to win football games.
It's very team before me for both programs. You know,
I wouldn't say either program is really led by one
or two star players. They're very well rounded teams overall,
and I think you know they're very physical football teams too.
I think you're gonna see that tomorrow night.
Speaker 3: One of the things that I've been evaluating here that
that offensive line of Utah is pretty good. How well
do you think that, you know, if we talk run
to pass right, Devin Dampierre, has he been forced to
win games with his arm just yet? Because I don't
think b Y is great at pass rush, But they're
phenomenal at stopping the run.
Speaker 2: They may just force Devin Dampierre to win with his arm.
Can he do that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a good question. I know, you
look at what dam Pierre has done this year, and
you're right, he's been mostly average hatcher this year. I
think his mobility has been what's really been driving that
offense so far. But yeah, if you can stop the run,
and if you can make Utah brought back in obvious
passing down, that's not where they want to win football games.
They want to win football games with their offensive line
dominating out there. So yeah, I think it's it'd be
critical for BYU tomorrow to stop the run game with
Devin dan Pierre leading that run game and then make
Dampierre bet as a passer.
Speaker 3: From a PFF grading standpoint, right, if we just look
at PFF grades versus their competition, who's the better team
and why this year?
Speaker 4: I think it's very similar. I don't know if I
would feel comfortable saying one team is better than another.
You know, Utah does have higher grades than BYU this year,
but obviously UYU is the undefeated team right now. So yeah,
I think actually, sorry, Utah U I use the higher
grade team on PF dot com right now. So again,
I don't think either of them are that much different.
I don't know, it'd be haks for me to say
one team is better than another right now, but I
would give the fight as the BYU based off what
they've done this year.
Speaker 3: How much better is Texas Tech than all the other
teams in the Big Twelve?
Speaker 2: And then like what's that second tier we have?
Speaker 3: Like first tier of like Texas Tech, that's it, and
then who's in that second tier?
Speaker 2: From a grading standpoint in PFF, I think.
Speaker 4: It's pretty clear that Texans Sack is a favorite right now.
I think, you know, I would be surprised if they're
at least not in the Big Twelve title game. It's
not winning the Big Twelve title after that, I think
it's a bunch of teams, you know, you look at
teams like BYU, like Arizona State, like Utah. There's a
bunch of teams that you could throw in the Big
Twelve mix right now too. So yeah, I think Texas
Tech is a favorite, But you know, Cincinnati, BYU, Utah,
Arizona Phil. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of teams
after that that are certainly in the mix.
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Speaker 3: BYU's offensive line, you know, much improved from last year
and pass pro and running the ball and moving defensive fronts.
Speaker 2: Like if you look at who BYU has gone.
Speaker 3: Up against and and you evaluate how productive they've been
in running the football, what do you prognosticate as far
as BYU's efficiency versus this Utah defensive front and running
the ball?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think BYU has done a really good job
in offensive line this year. They the seventh best run
blocking great in the entire country right now. LG MAR
And not only are the blocking ball for LG MAR,
but LG Marin's creating yards after contact too is always
key too. So this is the reason why they run
the ball to the second highest rate in the power
for behind West Virginia. Right So, yeah, I think it's
you know, we've come to expect this in BYU. We
know their offensive line every single year on the Kamina
Hockey's gonna be really good. And that's how stranger this year.
BYU has another elite offensive line this year too.
Speaker 2: You messed West Virginia.
Speaker 3: West Virginia actually was able to run the ball pretty
effectively versus the.
Speaker 2: University of Utah.
Speaker 3: Do you forecast that to occur on Saturday with b
Yu b Yu running the ball effectually versus is this
Utah defensive front?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I do, Actually, I think you know. I think
Utah's run defense is about average this year. The right
now their fifty first and run defense grade this year.
And like I said, BUYU runs the ball a lot, right,
so buy is gonna want to establish a run as
much as possible. I don't think they want bear Bachmeier,
a true freshman out there, to go and win this
game for them. They're gonna want him to play a
complimentary role tomorrow night. And like I said, it was
really for both teams. Stop the run and make the
quarterback beat you as a passer. Whoever does that better
I think will win the ball games.
Speaker 3: Max Chadwick Pro Football Focus here on ESPN the Fan
Live for Myers Meets Myers Meets in Highland Utah Max.
Speaker 2: Do you have a score prediction in this game? How
you figure it will play out?
Speaker 3: A lot of the national media and in even Vegas
they they they're they're leaning maybe towards Utah winning this
game at Lavelle Edwards Stadium.
Speaker 2: How do you see it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, I think it's gonna be nail byer. I
think it's truly a cooint. I don't think the spread
is really indicative of how could this game is going
to be. So yeah, I like I did take Utah
to win, but I had twenty four to twenty three. Like,
I really think this is this could be an overtime game.
This should be one of the best Holy Wars to
get in a long time. I am really excited in
this game, and like I said, I think it's truly
a coins aust Tomorrow night.
Speaker 3: Are you picking the under or the I mean, I
guess you're taking the the under there because it's at
well forty nine and a half I think it was
last time I checked, so that's pretty close.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I took I think it's what forty seven that
I predicted, So I think why I pick the under
there is I think both programs are going to run
the ball, which is going to bleed the clock a lot.
I don't think it's gonna be a high flying offensive affair.
I think both teams are going to be really really
physical in the trenches and try to have these long,
sustaining drives, which probably will lead to a lower scoring game.
But I do think it'd be an awesome game in
the last and I guess that it should be a
really really close final score.
Speaker 3: Max Chadwick, Pro Football for Focus. Max, always appreciate our
time together. Let's promote real quick your show, your podcast
for everybody that's tuning in.
Speaker 4: No, I appreciate that. Yeah, it's the PFF College Football
Show on YouTube anywhere you're getting podcasts. And like I said,
we did a utah e y U full in depth
preview on both sides of the ball as available right
now on that channel. To go check it out, check
it out today.
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Speaker 4: Thanks guys.
Speaker 2: All right, there you have it. That's Max Chat