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Speaker 3: Welcome to college football inside or representing Pro Football focused.

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Speaker 2: The one the only Max Chatwi Max. How the are you, buddy?

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Speaker 4: Got all you guys doing.

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Speaker 2: Doing fantastic?

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Speaker 3: I know you guys broached the Holy War, Like, how

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do you view the Holy or in relation to the

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other rivalries in college football? Like I feel like, you know,

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with big noon kickoff coming out here and evaluating this rivalry,

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they're kind of opening themselves up to just how volatile,

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how much, how vile. This rivalry can really get.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's certainly one of the most intense

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rivalries that we have in college football right now. Obviously,

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the two famasies do not like each other at all.

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I've had plenty of people tell me it's the biggest

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day in the state of Utah all year. I really

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am excited for this Holy World of Water. Yeah, I

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think it's certainly up there. It's one of the most

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intense rivalries in the sport right now.

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Speaker 3: So you guys did your breakdown on the Pro Football

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Focused podcast. What were some of the storylines the keys

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to the game that you guys delved into.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the Holy Warst probably be one of

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the trenches on both sides of the ball. Honestly. I

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think you got to watch at the offensive line ors

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and defensive line for both teams, and I think b

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Yu obviously your offensive center round the run game and

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their offense lines are really good at blocking up the

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run game this year, and Utahs had some issues and

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run defense, but Utah has been elite in terms of

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getting after the pass of this year. So it's really

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to come down to Utah stop the run enough and

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also pressure Bear Bachmeyer enough and then on the other

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side too, Utah has one of the elite offensive lines

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in the country with a really good run game. UA

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has gotta be ready to put the stick of nose

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in their run defense this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's an interesting battle, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: For years Max this game was in the modern era

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in the Kywitingham area, it's been somewhat dominated by Utah

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Utah fans. Utah media would always cite talent gap. What

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do you see as far as talent level is concerned

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between these two teams?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's very similar. I think these are

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two programs that are at the top of the Big

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twelve right now, that they're among the five best teams.

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even the three best teams. So I think talent level

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is very very similar, which we should create a a

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nail binder tomorrow night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: As far as the quarterback play, Devin dan Pier versus

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a wild and rockous crowd. Bear Bachmeyer true freshman, and

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he's played well at home, but maybe Utah's defense is

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the best defense that he's faced all season long. Who

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do you think ends up outperforming who Devin or Bear.

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Speaker 4: Good question? I like Devin. I think honestly, they're very similar.

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one guy is struggling. I think they're very similar in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a lot of mirroring here right I

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called this game the Spider Man meme. Statistically, side by side,

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they look exactly the same talent level, they look exactly

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the same quarterback.

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Speaker 2: They look exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: Even on their coaching staff, they have kind of this

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cross pollination. You have Utah former Utah players and coaches

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on BAU staff, and vice versa, players and coaches on

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the University of Utah. Jason Becks a former BAU Cougar,

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all their entire offensive staff, Kyle Winninghams a former BAU player.

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Speaker 2: This is the spider Man meme game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, you could say that you look at the

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two programs right now. Like I said, they are very

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or two star players. They're very well rounded teams overall,

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and I think you know they're very physical football teams too.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I've been evaluating here that

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that offensive line of Utah is pretty good. How well

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to pass right, Devin Dampierre, has he been forced to

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win games with his arm just yet? Because I don't

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Speaker 2: They may just force Devin Dampierre to win with his arm.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a good question. I know, you

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look at what dam Pierre has done this year, and

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you're right, he's been mostly average hatcher this year. I

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think his mobility has been what's really been driving that

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offense so far. But yeah, if you can stop the run,

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and if you can make Utah brought back in obvious

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passing down, that's not where they want to win football games.

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dominating out there. So yeah, I think it's it'd be

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critical for BYU tomorrow to stop the run game with

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Devin dan Pierre leading that run game and then make

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Dampierre bet as a passer.

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Speaker 3: From a PFF grading standpoint, right, if we just look

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at PFF grades versus their competition, who's the better team

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Speaker 4: I think it's very similar. I don't know if I

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would feel comfortable saying one team is better than another.

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but obviously UYU is the undefeated team right now. So yeah,

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grade team on PF dot com right now. So again,

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one team is better than another right now, but I

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would give the fight as the BYU based off what

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Speaker 3: How much better is Texas Tech than all the other

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teams in the Big Twelve?

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Speaker 2: And then like what's that second tier we have?

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Speaker 3: Like first tier of like Texas Tech, that's it, and

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then who's in that second tier?

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Speaker 2: From a grading standpoint in PFF, I think.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty clear that Texans Sack is a favorite right now.

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not winning the Big Twelve title after that, I think

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it's a bunch of teams, you know, you look at

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teams like BYU, like Arizona State, like Utah. There's a

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Tech is a favorite, But you know, Cincinnati, BYU, Utah,

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Arizona Phil. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of teams

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Speaker 2: Max is a.

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Speaker 3: BYU's offensive line, you know, much improved from last year

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and pass pro and running the ball and moving defensive fronts.

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Speaker 2: Like if you look at who BYU has gone.

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Speaker 3: Up against and and you evaluate how productive they've been

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in running the football, what do you prognosticate as far

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as BYU's efficiency versus this Utah defensive front and running

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think BYU has done a really good job

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in offensive line this year. They the seventh best run

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blocking great in the entire country right now. LG MAR

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And not only are the blocking ball for LG MAR,

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key too. So this is the reason why they run

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for behind West Virginia. Right So, yeah, I think it's

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you know, we've come to expect this in BYU. We

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BYU has another elite offensive line this year too.

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Speaker 2: You messed West Virginia.

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Speaker 3: West Virginia actually was able to run the ball pretty

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effectively versus the.

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Speaker 2: University of Utah.

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Speaker 3: Do you forecast that to occur on Saturday with b

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I do, Actually, I think you know. I think

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a true freshman out there, to go and win this

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game for them. They're gonna want him to play a

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complimentary role tomorrow night. And like I said, it was

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really for both teams. Stop the run and make the

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quarterback beat you as a passer. Whoever does that better

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I think will win the ball games.

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Speaker 3: Max Chadwick Pro Football Focus here on ESPN the Fan

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Speaker 2: Do you have a score prediction in this game? How

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you figure it will play out?

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Speaker 3: A lot of the national media and in even Vegas

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they they they're they're leaning maybe towards Utah winning this

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game at Lavelle Edwards Stadium.

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Speaker 2: How do you see it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, I think it's gonna be nail byer. I

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think it's truly a cooint. I don't think the spread

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This should be one of the best Holy Wars to

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get in a long time. I am really excited in

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this game, and like I said, I think it's truly

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a coins aust Tomorrow night.

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Speaker 3: Are you picking the under or the I mean, I

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guess you're taking the the under there because it's at

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well forty nine and a half I think it was

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last time I checked, so that's pretty close.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I took I think it's what forty seven that

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I predicted, So I think why I pick the under

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there is I think both programs are going to run

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the ball, which is going to bleed the clock a lot.

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I don't think it's gonna be a high flying offensive affair.

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I think both teams are going to be really really

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physical in the trenches and try to have these long,

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sustaining drives, which probably will lead to a lower scoring game.

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But I do think it'd be an awesome game in

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the last and I guess that it should be a

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really really close final score.

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Speaker 3: Max Chadwick, Pro Football for Focus. Max, always appreciate our

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Speaker 4: Thanks guys.

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