1 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,760 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle's senior elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,320 Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:32,600 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,359 the Federalist dot com, follow us on exit FDRLST, make 6 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:40,399 sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and of 7 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,880 course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:47,439 Our guest today is Mark Mix, president of the National 9 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,119 Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation. The Trump administration of 10 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,560 late has notched a big win in the fight against 11 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,679 big labor, as the President continues to deliver significant victories 12 00:00:59,719 --> 00:01:02,840 to worker freedom. We're going to talk about that in 13 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,120 just a minute. Bent First and foremost, let us introduce 14 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,599 and welcome into this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 15 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,359 Mark Mix. Good morning, sir. How are you. 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,239 Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Matt, Thanks for the opportunity to talk 17 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,200 with you about what is a fire hose of news 18 00:01:17,239 --> 00:01:18,840 when it comes to all of this stuff. 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: For sure, you are absolutely right hard to keep up, 20 00:01:22,079 --> 00:01:26,120 but it's good to see some victories on the worker 21 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,560 freedom front. We're going to delve into that in just 22 00:01:28,599 --> 00:01:32,599 a moment. But let's begin with the losses. As The 23 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:38,040 Federalist reported as we talk this morning, the April first 24 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,120 election in Wisconsin did not go well for conservatives, at 25 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,359 least on the nationally watched Wisconsin Supreme Court front. The 26 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:51,079 liberal in that race. One that means the Wisconsin Supreme 27 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:56,680 Court will maintain its four to three liberal majority. That 28 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,640 has some wide implications beyond wiscon and as it relates 29 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,400 to the twenty twenty six midterms, but in the state 30 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:11,800 of Wisconsin, this victory could be very costly for Act 31 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:17,479 ten and other worker freedom reforms. You were monitoring this election, 32 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:20,520 of course, very closely. What do you think about the outcome? 33 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt, it's really disappointing, and the idea that the 34 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:29,039 turnout was very close to what was presidential year turnout, 35 00:02:30,039 --> 00:02:32,120 and the fact that I think, I don't know what 36 00:02:32,159 --> 00:02:34,400 the final tally of expenses is going to be, but 37 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,879 it shows you how important, unfortunately, the judicial branch has 38 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,000 become in the idea of implementation of policy or the 39 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,960 protection of policy. You know, it was what eleven years 40 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,240 ago now or twelve years ago, I guess that Wisconsin 41 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,039 the legislature in Scott Walker passed what was known as 42 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,439 Act ten was radically reformed union power over government workers 43 00:02:55,439 --> 00:02:58,240 in the state, and it was tested at the Wisconsin 44 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,919 Supreme Court, it was tested at the Seventh Circuit Court 45 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,360 of Appeals, and it survived those legal challenges until this 46 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:06,879 election came on the radar screen and a Dane County 47 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,319 judge found an equal protection argument inside of an exemption 48 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:15,560 that was very specific to police and security type personnel 49 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:20,000 and use that to basically strike down AT ten. And 50 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:23,280 to your point, Matt, this thing over the last ten 51 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:27,319 to eleven years, Wisconsin taxpayers, maybe they've forgotten this, maybe 52 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:30,479 they don't recognize it, but they literally saved something upwards 53 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:34,120 of thirty one billion dollars in costs that would have 54 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:37,639 been applied to them or extracted from them if everything 55 00:03:37,639 --> 00:03:39,759 would have remained the same with the union power that 56 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,199 was in place. This Supreme Court election, intually enough is 57 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,840 going to probably change that. There's a case right now 58 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,039 that will end up at the Wisconsin Supreme Court, and 59 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:51,960 the new judge, Susan Crawford already is indicated she thinks 60 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,080 it's unconstitutional. 61 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: Prototoitz. You'll help me with that, Matt, because you're a 62 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,120 professional and you're my Shirpa, she switz. 63 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:05,639 Speaker 1: I believe and I'm even pronouncing that right having covered 64 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,919 that state for decades. But yes, it's a difficult one. 65 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: But yeah, I know you were going to do that 66 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:11,879 for me. 67 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right. She came out in twenty twenty three, 68 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,040 which was the previous record setter for the most expensive 69 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,000 judicial race in US history, and she came out and 70 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:28,120 said it. So, so this the path looks clear. Act ten, 71 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,959 do you believe is its days are numbered in the 72 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,040 state of Wisconsin. 73 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:35,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. It looks like that's the case. 74 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,480 You know that any county judge went they we went 75 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:40,680 to the pellate court. There was some intention they might 76 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,279 skip the appel court and you just go right to 77 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:45,079 the Wisconsin Supreme Court. But I think the union that 78 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,959 filed the case said, you know, why don't we just wait? 79 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:48,720 And the Supreme Court said, yeah, take it to the 80 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:51,079 appellate level till we find out what the election results are. 81 00:04:51,319 --> 00:04:53,360 Now that they know that, I suspect this thing will 82 00:04:53,439 --> 00:04:55,839 rocket docket and basically get all the way up in 83 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,439 Act ten will be struck down and unions will again 84 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:01,680 bargain over the conditions of employment for government employees in Wisconsin. 85 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,160 And that's not going to be good and we learned 86 00:05:04,199 --> 00:05:06,560 that from just the change from Act ten. 87 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:08,439 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a bad day. 88 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: I guess the good news, Matt, was that the voter 89 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,519 I D question was passed overwhelmingly. The people doing that 90 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:17,160 voter IDs that question two or something like that. 91 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,319 Speaker 1: So yeah, that was a significant victory for election integrity, 92 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:22,399 of course, and that was to enshrine the voter ID 93 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,439 law into the state constitution. Big victory. And that will 94 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,800 save voter ID from a candidate in Susan Crawford, the 95 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:37,639 liberal candidate who won last at the polls on election day. 96 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:42,800 That will save voter ID in the state of Wisconsin 97 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,920 from Susan Crawford who has been an activist, judge and 98 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,839 attorney on that front against voter ID. But when it 99 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:53,680 comes to worker freedom protections, we're not just talking about acten, aren't. 100 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,399 We were talking about Wisconsin's right to work law. Wisconsin, 101 00:05:57,439 --> 00:05:59,759 I believe, became the twenty fifth or twenty sixth state 102 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:05,680 about a decade ago under Scott Walker to pass and 103 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,560 sign into law the right to work provision that could 104 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:11,879 be at stake here as well. 105 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Matt, I think there'll be a lawsuit filed 106 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:18,720 again on the constitutionality of the right to work law 107 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,639 or the statutory effected the right to work law. 108 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 3: I suspect that. 109 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: Case is being written right now now that the Supreme 110 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,279 Court agenda is the leadership or membership has been set. 111 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,079 I think they go at ten, then they go redistricting. 112 00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:34,720 To your point, that has the national implications of redrawing 113 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:39,160 the congression lines based on kind of this radical interpretation 114 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,720 by Crawford and others in the court, and then probably 115 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,920 the right to work law will be the next victim 116 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,480 or the next attack point for the left and those 117 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,600 union officials who want to basically restore their ability to 118 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,439 force private sector workers to pay union user fees in 119 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:56,720 order to work in Wisconsin. 120 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: I just wonder what the Supreme Courts ruling in a 121 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,319 very important case that National Right to Work Legal Defense 122 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,800 Foundation was involved in. How much will that have to 123 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,079 say at the state level to any Supreme Court Wisconsin 124 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,519 Supreme Court decision that could come down on worker freedom issues. 125 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:16,439 Speaker 3: Yeah. 126 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the arguments is an illegal 127 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:22,560 takings clause that you know, somehow you're taking something from 128 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:25,439 the unions that they deserve or their property, and if 129 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,279 their property is the money that sits in the pockets 130 00:07:28,279 --> 00:07:30,839 of the workers they claim to represent, then maybe some 131 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:34,199 kind of Wisconsin Supreme Court decision can can finagle something 132 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:36,600 that looks like that. But again, the right to work 133 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,759 law in Wisconsin to your point, Matt, we were involved 134 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,680 in the litigation both at the Wisconsin Supreme Court and 135 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:44,399 the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, and it was upheld 136 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,800 not once, not twice, but three times. 137 00:07:47,319 --> 00:07:48,439 Speaker 3: When it was passed back. 138 00:07:48,279 --> 00:07:50,519 Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, and the litigation went on to I 139 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:52,800 think what twenty seventeen, there was about a two year 140 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,560 legal battle over the right to work law as it 141 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,839 relates to Wisconsin. You know, look, there's a lot of 142 00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:00,920 Supreme Court precedent that upholds they of states. 143 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: To pass right to work laws. 144 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,399 Speaker 2: Obviously there's a bigger question if they want to strike 145 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:07,920 it down. I think we'll see, you know, obviously we'll 146 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:10,279 be involved and engaged in that and fighting it every 147 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:10,879 step of the way. 148 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: I think we can win it ultimately. 149 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: But to your point, this is going to be now 150 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:19,560 the next point of attack against what Wisconsin's done over 151 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,279 the last fifteen years, or you know, in the case 152 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:24,480 of right to work from twenty fifteen till now in 153 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,279 case of Act ten twenty eleven till now. I mean 154 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,920 to basically radically change Wisconsin to back. 155 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:30,439 Speaker 3: What it was. 156 00:08:30,759 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: And I think what the folks in Wisconsin rejected back 157 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:35,799 then when they elected Scott Walker and re elected him 158 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,039 on a recall and re elected him again. You know, 159 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,840 it's kind of an interesting story about paying attention. But 160 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:43,840 now you know, the time has passed and some people 161 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:47,000 forget that. Maybe their pockets, their bank accounts are a 162 00:08:47,039 --> 00:08:50,519 little heavier because because you reformed government in Wisconsin. 163 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:51,919 Speaker 3: But we'll see what happens. 164 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: Well, they're about to learn to put a fine, finer 165 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,240 point on this. You know, the big labor movement in 166 00:08:58,279 --> 00:09:02,320 America in twenty eleven all over the country descended on 167 00:09:02,639 --> 00:09:06,919 the Capitol in Madison. Thought tooth and nail pumped in 168 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,639 record amounts of money at that time into trying to 169 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:15,039 recall a governor simply before a policy change. Try to 170 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:20,360 recall Republican lawmakers for a policy change. What I think 171 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,320 that this generation of Wisconsin its has forgotten is that 172 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,840 Wisconsin for years was held hostage by these negotiations from 173 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:35,799 government sector unions. And they had a very disproportionate seat 174 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:38,600 at the table. The taxpayer had no seat at the 175 00:09:38,639 --> 00:09:41,799 table when it came to collective bargaining in Wisconsin. That's 176 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:43,600 what you're going to go back to. And all those 177 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:47,159 billions of dollars of savings, they're all gone if Act 178 00:09:47,159 --> 00:09:50,879 ten goes away. Now, enough with the losing. Let's get 179 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:53,840 to the winning, my friend, Okay, because I think there 180 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,519 are a lot of people in Wisconsin who spent Tuesday 181 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:04,559 night night on April first, or woke up on April second, 182 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,159 thinking that they were the victim of a cruel April 183 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,360 first joke. It is no joke. The Left will continue 184 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,879 to control the Wisconsin Supreme Court, but nationally, a federal 185 00:10:14,919 --> 00:10:18,279 appeals court in Washington, DC cleared the way for President 186 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,639 Trump to fire members of the National Labor Relations Board 187 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,519 and Merit Systems Protection Board after district courts had earlier 188 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:31,240 blocked their removals and ordered them reinstated. This according to 189 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,159 CBS News, this was a very big victory that I 190 00:10:36,159 --> 00:10:41,240 don't think got the attention that it required. What does 191 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:43,960 this ultimately mean, this appeals court decision? 192 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, now, what the Supreme what the Court of Appeals 193 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:49,879 did in the DC Circuit was It basically stayed the 194 00:10:49,879 --> 00:10:53,399 decision of the District Court that restored the National Labor 195 00:10:53,919 --> 00:10:55,919 Relations Board member to the board. 196 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 3: President Trump fired the member. 197 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: Of the board, the district filed The board member filed 198 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,600 a suit in the district court. The district Court ruled 199 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,480 that she should be back on the board. She went 200 00:11:06,519 --> 00:11:09,320 back on the board. Then the DC Court of Appeal said, 201 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,639 you know what, We're going to stay the decision of 202 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,080 the District Court pending an oral argument on May sixteenth, 203 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,360 next month about whether or not the president has the 204 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:22,480 authority to remove a board member of an executive branch 205 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,559 independent agency. This is a really interesting question. It's one 206 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,519 that's been argued off and on over the last what 207 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:31,240 ninety years. I mean, the case goes back to a 208 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:35,200 Supreme Court decision back in nineteen thirty five called Humphreys Executor, 209 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,000 which was a Roosevelt administration to ask a member of 210 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,360 the Federal Trade Commission who had been nominated and confirmed 211 00:11:42,399 --> 00:11:44,200 by the Hoover administration. 212 00:11:44,039 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: To leave the FTC and basically resign. 213 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:49,519 Speaker 2: There was a nice correspondence between the two and finally 214 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:53,600 the FTC members said, I'm not leaving that member happened 215 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,519 to die during the term, and basically the Humphreys executors 216 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,759 filed lawsuit against the federal government saying, hey, you owe 217 00:12:02,759 --> 00:12:05,039 this estate the money for the time that he should 218 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:05,759 have been on the board. 219 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 3: And he won that case. 220 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: And so that president has been established that there are 221 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,600 certain kind of memberships on independent agencies under the executive 222 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,399 branch that can't be removed. However, that's changed over the 223 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,159 last twenty years, and it probably was highlighted by the 224 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,559 Consumer Financial Protection Board, Matt, as you remember the creation, 225 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,360 this was an Elizabeth Warren creation the last years that 226 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,919 basically had one executive that had no accountability to anyone 227 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:31,879 at all. 228 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,039 Speaker 3: And that case came up and. 229 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,799 Speaker 2: This Richard Cordroy guy who was the first one, was dismissed. 230 00:12:36,799 --> 00:12:41,320 And so the question of this Humphreys executor executive prohibition 231 00:12:41,399 --> 00:12:44,519 against removing certain board members has been continued to this 232 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,639 but it's being chopped down by courts. This case may 233 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,000 not get to that very the precedent set in nineteen 234 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,840 thirty five, but I think it has some legs because 235 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,279 the National Relations Board can initially enough they can take 236 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,480 property from a private citizen. They can say you, mister 237 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,879 employer ohe back wages to this employee, and that is 238 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:07,240 this kind of taking executive power. That's really a question 239 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,799 that's ripe for whether or not an independent agency can 240 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,519 have that power absent accountability to the execut Article two 241 00:13:14,759 --> 00:13:17,600 and the president's authority over the executive branch. This will 242 00:13:17,639 --> 00:13:20,600 go to the court this year. Court is we'll argue 243 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,320 this case on March sixteenth or May sixteenth. Will Cox, 244 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,360 the board member that's been displaces, asked for an on 245 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,399 BOMC panel as opposed to a three judge panel, and 246 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,480 that may slow it down, but initially enough, Matt, we 247 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,639 have a case that's going to be argued the day 248 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,919 before on behalf of a Starbucks barista who's made the 249 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,840 same request and filed the litigation that has been fully 250 00:13:40,879 --> 00:13:42,440 briefed at the Court of Appeals. 251 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,399 Speaker 3: We'll argue that case the day before. 252 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: Although we may get consolidated, we may have to intervene 253 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,840 in the bigger case, but our Legal Defense Foundation will 254 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,559 be arguing the very theory that's at stake in this 255 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,879 Wilcox case that the Court of Appeals has finally said no, what, 256 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,799 we're going to put a hold on this take her 257 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,000 off the board and we'll side this as we move 258 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,279 into May and then probably June or even farther if 259 00:14:04,279 --> 00:14:05,279 it goes on bank. 260 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 4: Is Bernie really grassroots or another presidential push? The Watch 261 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,120 Dot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski every day 262 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,200 Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy 263 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,919 and how it affects your wallet. Bernie and AOC have 264 00:14:21,039 --> 00:14:25,440 gone on a full propaganda gamut blitz for their fundraising rallies, 265 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:28,519 but some of these attendees were actually paid to be there. 266 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,360 Who's really getting paid? Whether it's happening in DC or 267 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,320 down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 268 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:33,919 Speaker 1: Be informed. 269 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 4: Check out the Watch Dot on Wall Street podcast with 270 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,080 Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. 271 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: Well, good luck to you all on this front. We 272 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,840 know the wheels of justice tend to turn rather slowly, 273 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:54,480 as the Humphreys case would illustrate before you know, and 274 00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:58,399 obviously that was the reason for the case in general. 275 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,120 But yeah, you're right, this our goes back and it 276 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:05,519 really does tie into the ongoing battle that a lot 277 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:09,279 of conservatives in this country, a lot of legal expertcy 278 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:15,159 is rogue judges on federal courts, particularly in the DC circuit, 279 00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:19,960 stopping just about every order executive order that the president 280 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,360 has pushed out there, well at least a lot of 281 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:27,399 the more controversial ones, so to speak, the ones that 282 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,000 have I believe, the ability to do what he campaigned on, 283 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,960 which is to right size this federal government and the 284 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,120 sort of reforms that go with it. But is this, 285 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,960 as you see it moving forward, does this case have 286 00:15:45,039 --> 00:15:49,679 the ability to make the argument ultimately that the president 287 00:15:49,879 --> 00:15:53,159 has the authority to do all of these other kinds 288 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:54,960 of things or many of the other kinds of things 289 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:55,960 that he's already done. 290 00:15:56,639 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt, you know, that's an interesting question of the 291 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,799 connection and what the what the thread of this argument 292 00:16:01,879 --> 00:16:05,080 will have for Article two Powers of the President. You know, obviously, 293 00:16:05,159 --> 00:16:09,080 last week he signed an executive order that radically diminished 294 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,519 the power of unions over certain agencies and regulatory boards 295 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,039 as it relates to national security mission. 296 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 3: I mean, basically, he said. 297 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: You know, we're going to say, if you have a 298 00:16:20,159 --> 00:16:24,159 national security mission inside of your agency, in a particular department, 299 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:26,440 we're going to basically say, you know what, the unions 300 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,919 are not going to be bargaining with that particular board 301 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,240 or commission or agency because of the national security. 302 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: Kind of overviewer umbrella of that work. And this is 303 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,080 something nothing that's new. It's interially enough, Matt. 304 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:42,159 Speaker 2: No one raises this point, and certainly the legacy, you know, 305 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,120 liberal media won't raise it. But Jimmy Carter did exactly 306 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:47,919 the same thing in nineteen seventy nine after they passed 307 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,320 after they passed the Federal Labor Relations Act in nineteen 308 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,399 seventy eight, Carter issued an executive order is Executor one 309 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,480 two one seven one that basically said, look, okay, the 310 00:16:58,559 --> 00:17:01,879 unions have this new bargaining over the federal government, this 311 00:17:01,919 --> 00:17:05,839 formalized bargaining power that basically started with JFK back in 312 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,279 nineteen sixty two with an executive order, and he said, look, 313 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:15,440 there are national security issues about intelligence, counterintelligence, national security profiles, 314 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,920 and things that federal government agencies do. And lord knows, Matt, 315 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:21,319 the federal government is way bigger than it was back 316 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,240 than nineteen seventy nine when Carter issued this executive order 317 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:28,559 limiting the power of unions to negotiate over these agencies 318 00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:31,799 with this kind of national security profile. Trump has just 319 00:17:31,799 --> 00:17:34,119 basically looked at these agencies again and said, hey, wait 320 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:34,960 a minute. 321 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 3: You've got this national security mission. 322 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:38,039 Speaker 2: You know what, We're not going to let the union 323 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,400 bargain over working conditions in terms of employment, over those 324 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,920 agencies and boards and regulatory structures that have this national 325 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:45,720 security profile. 326 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,079 Speaker 3: But the hue and cry over that's been dramatic. 327 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: I mean, the American Federation of Government Employees, I think 328 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,599 they filed well, I don't think they filed lawsuit yet, 329 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:56,680 but the National Treasury Employee Union has been one in 330 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,720 Texas and one in Kentucky. So the litigation is going 331 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,640 to go on to your point, Matt, you know who 332 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,519 knows it. They wanted to last exactly four years, and 333 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:06,920 I think you know the coincident why they want that 334 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,920 four year kind of a runout. 335 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,319 Speaker 3: Of this litigation. 336 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:14,039 Speaker 1: Of course, Yes, our guest today is Mark mix president 337 00:18:14,079 --> 00:18:17,480 of the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation, joining 338 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:21,759 us on some victories for the Trump administration and for 339 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:25,640 worker freedom. You know, you bring up the historical nature 340 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,960 of all of this. We've talked about it on many occasions. 341 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:33,720 Franklin Delanor Roosevelt, icon of the Democratic Party years and 342 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:39,880 years ago, almost again ninety years ago, now argued fervently 343 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:48,759 that government sector unions would be very, very unfortunate, to 344 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:52,920 say the least. He opposed them. Some of the biggest 345 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,240 union bosses at the time opposed them. What happened to 346 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:57,759 this party? 347 00:18:57,839 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 3: I guess, huh, yeah, Well, there always looking for dues revenue. 348 00:19:01,279 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: Don't ever forget that their stock and trade is due's revenue. 349 00:19:04,599 --> 00:19:08,599 And when you destroy private sector industries and you no 350 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,279 longer represent the interests of rank and file workers across 351 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:14,160 the country who are rejecting unionization and the private sector 352 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,920 to the tune of what five point nine percent union density, 353 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,200 you have to look for new areas of revenue. And 354 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,240 why not go to government because government is that allegedly, Matt, 355 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:28,200 it's that unemptiable oil jar of the biblical Elijah that 356 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,200 you know, we woke up every morning there was just 357 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,400 enough to make breakfast. And government always has this refillable 358 00:19:34,519 --> 00:19:37,559 element to it with taxpayer money, and so it's the 359 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:41,079 final frontier for organized labor. Literally, it's the one agency 360 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,160 that they can't break quote unquote. 361 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,599 Speaker 3: We'll see if that's true. 362 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,839 Speaker 2: I don't believe it's true in the aggregate, but I 363 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,400 think they you know, why not go after government where 364 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,519 we can basically elect our own bosses. We can influence 365 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:57,039 policy that raises taxes, that funds more government activity. And 366 00:19:57,079 --> 00:19:58,599 you know, when you look at I think it was 367 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,880 California in the last year they lost one hundred and 368 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,440 fifty nine thousand private sector workers and had one hundred 369 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,039 and eighty one thousand new government workers. 370 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: So you kind of get. 371 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: The picture of why they are after this stuff and 372 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,680 why it's important to them. And to your point about Roosevelt, 373 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:15,000 he said, it's unthinkable that we would organize and unionize 374 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:17,799 government employees because it's not the same as the private sector. 375 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,839 Speaker 3: And again George Meeni and the Executive Council of the 376 00:20:20,839 --> 00:20:25,599 AFLCIO said, yeah, you can't negotiate with the government about unions. 377 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,799 Speaker 2: I mean, but yet here we are where basically the 378 00:20:27,839 --> 00:20:31,880 afl CIO, the umbrella for sixty plus unions is literally 379 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,599 fifty percent government workers and fifty percent private sector workers. 380 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,839 So they know where their butter is, where their bread 381 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,359 is buttered. The taxpayers, unfortunately, are going to get a 382 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,920 whole cart cold reality of this stuff when it all 383 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,240 comes to the forefront. 384 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: Indeed, if it comes to the forefront, and ultimately, I 385 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,640 think the last stop here has to be the US 386 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,599 Supreme Court. The US Supreme Court is going to have 387 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,039 to settle this. Now, it doesn't have to settle this, 388 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,920 but it should settle this. All of these sorts of 389 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,920 cases point to the same sorts of arguments, the same 390 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,880 sorts of issues. Does the executive branch Does the President 391 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,640 of the United States have the authority under Article two 392 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:15,880 of the Constitution to decide who works in the federal 393 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:21,200 government and who doesn't. Does the executive branch? Does the 394 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,279 president have the authority to decide whether he agrees with 395 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,799 Franklin Delano Roosevelt that unions should not be collective bargaining 396 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,720 and the power of the union that we see, the 397 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:35,559 outsized power of the union should not be in the 398 00:21:35,599 --> 00:21:40,440 public sector. Where do you think this goes? Ultimately, this 399 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,799 significant sea change argument? Where does this go in the courts? 400 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt, I think you're right. I think ultimately it 401 00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:51,119 has to go to the US Supreme Court. Obviously, you know, 402 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,680 as I mentioned kind of this, the federal power has 403 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,559 granted through an executive order that was uncontested, I think 404 00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:59,799 in nineteen sixty two, the passage of Congress passing the 405 00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:02,880 law on seventy eight, and then Carter's executive order and 406 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,000 then the growth of the. 407 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: Federal government since then. 408 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: I think it's a question that ultimately is going to 409 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:09,880 have to be decided whether or not, you know, this 410 00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:12,759 is appropriate. You know, everyone talks about bargaining as a 411 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:15,480 right and the idea of dignity and the idea of respect, 412 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:18,279 you know, one of the premises of organized labor when 413 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:20,359 they talk about it, when union officials talk about this 414 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,880 power is like this unbelievable imbalance between the employer and 415 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,880 the employee, and that the employer is taking advantage of 416 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,680 these workers and it's a workplace, it's unsafe and you know, discriminatory. 417 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,880 Fill in the blank. Every majorative you can use about 418 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,279 an employer power over employee. 419 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 3: Is used in these arguments. 420 00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: But so if we take them at face value, we 421 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,319 are led to believe then, as citizens, in this grand 422 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,000 experiment of self government, the most dangerous, most disrespectful place 423 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,720 to work in America today is for the federal government 424 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,039 or for the state government or the local government, because 425 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:55,440 the union density is what six times higher in government, 426 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,279 meaning their dignity, their respect is being violated by quote 427 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:01,279 unquote elect officials across the country. 428 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 3: And therefore we have to have this balance. Well, that argument. 429 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,079 Speaker 2: Completely is folicious, It doesn't make any sense. And so 430 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,720 I think the court is going to have to look 431 00:23:09,759 --> 00:23:12,720 at this as to the sovereign power of a governmental 432 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:16,799 entity to exercise the authority that we are in this 433 00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:20,680 constitutional republic give to elected officials to run the government. 434 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:23,359 And then it gets to the enumerated powers of government. 435 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,640 I mean, there's a bigger issue that's just been eroded 436 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,400 over these years that they're going to ultimately have to decide, 437 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,400 and one of them is can I force you to 438 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:34,039 associate with me? And can I be in between elected 439 00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:36,960 officials and taxpayers and elect you know, citizens of a 440 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,400 country or a state. Can I get in between there 441 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:42,839 with powers equal to a sovereign And that's exactly the 442 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,240 position that organized labor has in government, and that's got 443 00:23:46,279 --> 00:23:47,000 to be questioned. 444 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,279 Speaker 3: We continue to question it. 445 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:51,519 Speaker 2: That idea of associate forced association, the idea we won 446 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:53,200 the Janus case in twenty eighteen. 447 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:55,279 Speaker 3: That was a constitutional case saying you. 448 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 2: Don't have to pay union dues to keep your job government, 449 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,279 but you can still be forced to give up your 450 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:02,599 associational right. So there's a line of cases we'll get there. 451 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,880 It took US forty years to get to janis. I 452 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,079 don't know if I'll be around, Matt. You will be, certainly, 453 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:08,720 but I don't know if I will be in the 454 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,640 case of whether we finally get to that ultimate question, 455 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,519 that constitutional question of forced association and then the idea 456 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:18,640 of a private entity being in between an equal power 457 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,960 equal to a sovereign when it comes to negotiating terms 458 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,000 and conditions of employment. 459 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark, you know me. They call me spring Chicken Kittle, 460 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:31,240 of course, So keep going like that energizer Bunny. We 461 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:38,000 raise a very interesting point. Victories have been have been wrestled, 462 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:42,680 and it's been, as you say, no small distance to 463 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,559 get there. But you have one on First Amendment grounds. 464 00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:51,799 Does that speak to exactly what is happening at the 465 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:54,240 public sector side, the government union side. 466 00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so. 467 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the idea, the idea that the 468 00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:01,000 court ruled in janis that these government employees had First 469 00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:06,000 Amendment constitutional protections from being forced to fund this union 470 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,319 that quote unquote represents them that they're forced to associate with. 471 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,079 Speaker 3: Was a significant victory. 472 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: Obviously, I mentioned the forty year in regnum because we 473 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:17,920 started within a booed case back in nineteen seventy six 474 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,000 that we argued to do. A Supreme Court that started 475 00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:21,839 slicing off this union power. 476 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 3: And you know, I liken it to a delicatestant. Matt. 477 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: You go in your white college and says, hey, Matt, 478 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,119 pick up a quarter pound of roast beef. 479 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 3: On your way home. 480 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:31,759 Speaker 2: You go there, the guy reaches his arm and grabs 481 00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:33,440 a big hunk of meat, sliced offt quarter pound. 482 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 3: You're on your way. Well over that coach. 483 00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: Of the forty years, we had four or five more 484 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,119 cases that ended up in the Supreme Court where they 485 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,680 continued to slice off kind of this really unique power 486 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:43,400 that unions had. 487 00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 3: And the last time. 488 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 2: They went in you Matt went home and said, you know, 489 00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:48,200 your white called you get a quarter pound of roast beef. 490 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,599 The delicatestant operator reached in there there was nothing left 491 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,559 but the First Amendment and that was it. There was 492 00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:57,640 nothing left to slice. It was a question of First 493 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,599 Amendment right or not. And that's where we got to 494 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,160 in jail over the course of that period of time. 495 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 3: And I think we'll get there. 496 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 2: We'll get there, and we'll continue to fight others will 497 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,279 continue to fight it, and we'll just really be, you know, 498 00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:12,839 continuing to think about how we protect these workers and 499 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,240 how we protect American citizens from this forced unionism power Mark. 500 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:17,839 Speaker 1: You've known me for a long time, you know how 501 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,880 much I enjoy a good First Amendment on marble Rye. 502 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 3: Brother. Good for you, well done. 503 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,039 Speaker 1: Absolutely delicious. You've been generously the time. I appreciate it. 504 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,160 Just a final question for you as the battles move forward, 505 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:37,279 what other important legal cases are you looking at, like 506 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,119 right now, in the short term and the long term 507 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,240 strategy at National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation. 508 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:49,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt, you know, our portfolio basically includes about two 509 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,680 hundred and fifty active cases at any given time. We're 510 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,200 literally representing thousands and thousands of workers actually who want 511 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,079 had the courage to stand up and exercise their rights. 512 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,519 So we've got a big chunk of our portfolio helping 513 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:05,200 workers get out of unions by decertification, because the NLRB 514 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:07,640 for the last four years is basically denied anyone's right 515 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,720 to get out. They've made it virtually seamless to get in, 516 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,160 but they won't let anybody out. So we've been litigating 517 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,240 those cases. Obviously, we still have First Amendment cases on 518 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,759 behalf of workers who are unfortunately still being told they 519 00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:24,079 have to join the union formally, that they have to 520 00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:27,240 pay full dues formally. So we've been protecting a Supreme 521 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,240 Court victory one in nineteen eighty eight called Back versus 522 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:34,400 Communication Workers of America. I mean, there is never ending, unfortunately, Matt. 523 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,799 We just have to continue to support it. 524 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,599 Speaker 3: We're going to have to. 525 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:39,839 Speaker 2: Defend the right to work on Wisconsin now probably, so 526 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,720 there'll be lots of work to do. There's never a 527 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:44,279 lack of work to do on behalf of individual employee rights. 528 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,680 When it comes to this grand experiment of self government. 529 00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: Where does all this money keep coming from? Though from 530 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,400 unions that have certainly lost their footprint over the last 531 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,119 forty years in this country. 532 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,079 Speaker 2: Well, it's a good business model, Matt, and I recommend 533 00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:01,559 it if you can get it, Federalists to get everybody 534 00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:04,240 in America to contribute or to be forced to pay 535 00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:07,599 twenty five bucks a month in order to bear fifty bucks. 536 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 3: A month in order to quote unquote turn on their internet. 537 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: If you could get that and they have to watch 538 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,880 the Federals program every month, I said, be good for America. 539 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,640 But the idea that you could get a business model 540 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,960 that would compel everyone to do That would be a 541 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,200 good business model, and you wouldn't have to be as 542 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:24,920 great as you are at your work because everyone would 543 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,400 have to listen to you anyway, no matter what, whether 544 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,599 whether you did any investigation or other any preparation for 545 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,079 your show. If you can get that business model, you know, wow, 546 00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:35,240 and we shouldn't. 547 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 3: No one should get that business model in the private sector. 548 00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:40,160 No one. And we'll continue to fight it. 549 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: But that's why they do it, that's why they want it, 550 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:45,160 and that's why they protect it so jealouslessly. 551 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: You're saying, I could phone it in like a government 552 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:53,480 employee or perhaps a member of Congress, as the battle 553 00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:57,920 this week shows well, very very important battles because at 554 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,359 the end of the day, this is about freedom, about 555 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:04,000 worker freedom, and that's exactly what you, Mark have done 556 00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:07,880 for so many years along with your organization. Keep up 557 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:08,839 the good fight, my friend. 558 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 2: Thank you, Matt, appreciate it, and thanks for the time 559 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:14,039 and the opportunity to chat about this. 560 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:17,079 Speaker 1: Appreciate it absolutely. Thanks to my guest today, Mark Mix. 561 00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:20,920 You've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 562 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:24,799 I'm Matt Kittle Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll 563 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,759 be back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of 564 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:29,839 freedom and anxious for the fray. 565 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: I heard the fame voice a reason, and then it 566 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,400 freed it away.