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Speaker 2: The talk station A twenty nine and A Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I always look forward to this moment in time, because
Speaker 1: it gets a deep dive with Daniel Davis. It's time
Speaker 1: for the Daniel Davis deep dive, retired Lieutenant colonel giving
Speaker 1: us all kinds of thoughts and insights on well things military.
Speaker 1: And we have a new conflict to talk about this week.
Speaker 1: Let's stop and put aside Ukraine and Russia for a moment,
Speaker 1: and let's talk about the details unfolding in the war
Speaker 1: with Israel and Iran.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean Behindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: As I've pointed out in the program, the last couple
Speaker 1: of days, Donald Trump pulls our military person out out
Speaker 1: of the region in advance of well the sixty first day.
Speaker 1: In his sixty today deadline he gave to Iran about
Speaker 1: negotiating a deal on their military or on their nuclear program.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe perhaps he had a conversation and at
Speaker 1: some point with Benjamin Netanyahu early on. I suspect Netanyahu
Speaker 1: had good intelligence that Iran might be up to something
Speaker 1: no good in a very short period of time, and
Speaker 1: it was time to stop the wheel spinning and take
Speaker 1: some action. Trump maybe suggested him, well, at least give
Speaker 1: me sixty day window of opportunity before all hell breaks
Speaker 1: lose to see if we can negotiate. Obviously, that did
Speaker 1: not work. Day sixty one Israel unleashes and an amazing
Speaker 1: thing to behold, much like the Ukraine's getting inside the
Speaker 1: interior of Russia and hiding those drones in spite of
Speaker 1: the being Russian territory. Obviously, Israel had a profound presence
Speaker 1: within the interior of Iran was able to launch some
Speaker 1: very short term or rather short distance military strikes from
Speaker 1: within the interior. That's an amazing coup right there. And
Speaker 1: then now they apparently dominate the entire Iranian airspace and
Speaker 1: can fly free will and hit any target they want
Speaker 1: with pretty much great success. Long winded start. Daniel Davis,
Speaker 1: welcome back, man. What's your take on this and what's
Speaker 1: your reaction all this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, really there's two separate things at play here that
Speaker 4: we need to address because they're very different and potential
Speaker 4: where we're going next. And one is just the operational
Speaker 4: art that you just mentioned there and from a military
Speaker 4: tactical perspective, and this has been pretty impressive again because
Speaker 4: it was very highly effective. They were able to infiltrate
Speaker 4: apparently a pretty decent number of massad agents and other
Speaker 4: infiltrators and perhaps even some insider folks the Iranians who
Speaker 4: had been helping, et cetera. Just like the the Ukraine
Speaker 4: side had some help from the Russian people who turned
Speaker 4: on the other situation there, and so then now then
Speaker 4: they were able to take care of that on the ground.
Speaker 4: At the same time they were coming in with strategic
Speaker 4: assets and operational and you know, an aircraft and all that,
Speaker 4: and it just absolutely devastated the initial Iranian defense. Allegedly
Speaker 4: one or two f thirty fives were shot down, which
Speaker 4: don't have confirmation of that, but even at that, that's
Speaker 4: out of two hundred aircraft that flew the first night.
Speaker 4: That is a remarkable number to have been shot down,
Speaker 4: if it was. If not, obviously it's even more than that.
Speaker 4: So in terms of how they start, that's great. But
Speaker 4: there's another half of this coin, because we also see
Speaker 4: playing out graphically that the Iron Dome system and the
Speaker 4: multi layered Israeli air defense system is not anywhere near
Speaker 4: as good as what people thought it was.
Speaker 2: We knew it wasn't.
Speaker 4: We've had on our show many times an expert that
Speaker 4: pointed this out in twenty twenty four. He very accurately
Speaker 4: predicted what Iran could do if it wanted to, and
Speaker 4: how it signaled in the past when we gave the
Speaker 4: Iron Dome credit for knocking down everything. But it turns
Speaker 4: out it only got some of the smaller stuff and
Speaker 4: the slower moving drones, but the missiles got through. And
Speaker 4: now that we see, while Israel has virtual air supremacy
Speaker 4: in Iran, Iran has virtual missile supremacy in Israel. There's
Speaker 4: very little that they can shoot down of those ballistic missiles,
Speaker 4: especially some of the more sophisticated ones that they have.
Speaker 2: So right now you have both.
Speaker 4: Sides literally every night for five straight nights, hummeling the
Speaker 4: other side there and causing tremendous damage, worse that we've
Speaker 4: ever seen in Israel in their existence. None of the
Speaker 4: wars have ever hit their cities the way this one
Speaker 4: is so far, and it's anybody's guess where it's going next.
Speaker 2: But with Trump leaving the G seven and coming.
Speaker 4: Back to convening just this morning, just hours from now
Speaker 4: this National Security Council meeting, it's kind of ominous what
Speaker 4: could be coming next?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know I've been railing against this all morning.
Speaker 1: It's not the first time I've railed against it. The
Speaker 1: president is not allowed to declare war on his own.
Speaker 1: It takes congressional action, at least the Court of the Constitution.
Speaker 1: I've got a copy of Daniel. There has to be
Speaker 1: at least an authorization for use of military force which
Speaker 1: the Senate has to approve. That hasn't been done yet.
Speaker 1: So I got the USS and them it's apparently heading
Speaker 1: on over to the Middle East. We've got all these
Speaker 1: refueling airplane heading on over to the Middle East. So
Speaker 1: obviously the American military presidence has been there and is
Speaker 1: now growing. So you know, is there going to be
Speaker 1: some sort of congressional action on this. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it would be on the pale people screaming about
Speaker 1: the imperial presidency for Trump to just unilaterally join in
Speaker 1: the fray.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no question that there's lots of moving pieces here.
Speaker 4: In addition, there have been by many reports up to
Speaker 4: thirty area or refueling jets leave from the United States
Speaker 4: and moved into the region.
Speaker 2: That's on top of everything else.
Speaker 4: You mentioned the B two bombers that have been at
Speaker 4: Diego Garcia for quite a long time, and then now
Speaker 4: on top of this and Trump making some pretty boisterous
Speaker 4: and and you know, derogatory claims on Air Force One
Speaker 4: last night about what may be coming, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I have huge problems with that.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a good idea to do anyway,
Speaker 4: because we should not get involved with this war. There
Speaker 4: is something between Israel and Iran. If they want to
Speaker 4: do that, that's that's up to them. But I'm even
Speaker 4: more concerned with the lack of concern about any almost
Speaker 4: anyone in the United States about the very issue you
Speaker 4: just mentioned here.
Speaker 2: We do not want a situation.
Speaker 4: To where we literally give carte blanche to whoever's in
Speaker 4: the White House men that they can have because then
Speaker 4: you basically are a monarch, which is what we try
Speaker 4: to prevent with the forming of the Constitution in the
Speaker 4: first place. And there's a couple of I think the
Speaker 4: Thomas Massey and I think there's one Senator Tim Kaine,
Speaker 4: I believe that are talking about that, but no one
Speaker 4: else is nobody in the Democratic Party leadership, the Republican
Speaker 4: Party leadership. They have basically just handed it over to
Speaker 4: the commander in chief. And that is a dangerous place
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 1: It is It's not a question whose ox is being
Speaker 1: gored as a question of whether or not they had
Speaker 1: the legal authority to do it in the first place.
Speaker 1: And you and I are eyed eye on that. And
Speaker 1: I read Congress from Massey's statement on the air this morning.
Speaker 1: I read Tim Kaine statement on the air. Tim Kaine's
Speaker 1: gone down this road before, back when Trump was originally president.
Speaker 1: It passed his resolution, which either that in and of
Speaker 1: itself is commingle did he need to pass a piece
Speaker 1: of legislation to confirm what's already there, which is the
Speaker 1: Congress as col But it did go through and it
Speaker 1: got vetoed by the president. Hey, something's followed apart here
Speaker 1: on that one. And you know, I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with Donald Trump the man. I like most all
Speaker 1: of his policies. But this is something that's really quite
Speaker 1: concerning to me. And I'm glad you agree with me
Speaker 1: and see eyed eye with me on that one, sir.
Speaker 4: Now, it's just a simple rendering of the Constitution that
Speaker 4: we're supposed to all follow. Now, it's not hard to
Speaker 4: see e'd eye with you on that.
Speaker 1: They all held their hand up and swore an oath
Speaker 1: of office that included upholding the constitution craziness. But then
Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of elected to people running
Speaker 1: around going we need to get in this, we need
Speaker 1: to get in this.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, if you want to get into it, then you know,
Speaker 1: go ahead and declare war and make it efficial.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: One of the things, Brian, it's supposed to be hard
Speaker 4: to get into wars. Yeah, it was designed that way
Speaker 4: on purpose, so that it's not easy. And we're seeing
Speaker 4: if this goes sideways. And my big beef tactically is
Speaker 4: that if we join offensively in this, then we put
Speaker 4: targets on the backs of our troops all the Middle
Speaker 4: East over and that same issue that just showed you
Speaker 4: we're the bad system. The Patriots, the ourn Dome can't
Speaker 4: stop these missiles. There's even less protection for many of
Speaker 4: our smaller outposts in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: We would be absolutely powerless to stop this.
Speaker 4: In the would be a lot of American casualties, which
Speaker 4: we don't have to have any, but that's almost certain
Speaker 4: to come if we launched this war.
Speaker 1: Well, that was something that Thomas Massey put up in
Speaker 1: a graphic along with his rejection or the idea that
Speaker 1: we should under this conflict. The range of the Iranian missiles,
Speaker 1: and it encoupes a very large range, which includes all
Speaker 1: these operations you're talking about where American military personnel are
Speaker 1: really big problem for US over there now insofar as
Speaker 1: providing them with weaponry. I mean, we provide countries all
Speaker 1: over the world with weaponry. If Israel wants the bunker
Speaker 1: busting bombs and we provide them to them, that's not
Speaker 1: US getting involved with boots on the grounds. Hell, they
Speaker 1: bought F thirty five from US. I don't really recognize
Speaker 1: the distinction between them, could we? And I don't know
Speaker 1: if you have any information on the depth at which
Speaker 1: these centrifuges happened to be within the within that mountain.
Speaker 1: But if they had those types of technology, there's bunker
Speaker 1: busting type bombs, could they reach them or do enough
Speaker 1: damage that will put the centrifugees out of operation?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's the one key category that Israel doesn't
Speaker 4: have to the four TOAH plant that seems to be
Speaker 4: the central piece and this whole issue because it is
Speaker 4: buried by some accounts half a kilometer under the ground,
Speaker 4: and the Israelis with all their assets, don't have anything
Speaker 4: big enough to carry these big bumper bunker buster bombs,
Speaker 4: So they don't have the number one, but they don't
Speaker 4: have the carriers either, that is the B two bomber.
Speaker 4: That's why we have those in the region. And these
Speaker 4: thirty thousand pound bombs just spectacular destructive of ability, but
Speaker 4: it's not clear at all that they have the ability
Speaker 4: to penetrate that deep, so it may not even work.
Speaker 4: But unless the US personally flies, that's something we can't
Speaker 4: give to Israel, right, they don't have the ability to
Speaker 4: use it. So and I know that Benjaminett and Yahoo
Speaker 4: wants desperately to have that in there, But again, the
Speaker 4: minutes that you allow that and then we've offensively, then
Speaker 4: now then you're almost certainly signed the death warrants for
Speaker 4: American soldiers that otherwise won't die well.
Speaker 1: And that would be akin then to what we got
Speaker 1: going on in Ukraine, which is operating these sophisticated missiles that
Speaker 1: need American personnel with security clearance to author to use,
Speaker 1: so you know, effectively boots on the ground in the
Speaker 1: form of operation operating equipment that Ukraine has physically president
Speaker 1: it's country, right, and so far.
Speaker 4: We have done that there and bootin although he rattled
Speaker 4: his saber a little bit, has not taken any action.
Speaker 4: He's chosen not to because he doesn't want to start
Speaker 4: a war with the US. The difference in this situation
Speaker 4: here is that that could be fatal for the Iranian regime,
Speaker 4: So they would have no reason to constrain themselves, whereas
Speaker 4: Russia does because they don't want to get into a
Speaker 4: war against the nuclear power if they can avoid it.
Speaker 4: But in this situation, if it's like your regime is
Speaker 4: about to be destroyed, then they would use it, or
Speaker 4: they would likely use it.
Speaker 2: Well real quick.
Speaker 1: For the part coming today, Daniel Davis, I just could
Speaker 1: go on for hours with you. Today I had an
Speaker 1: energy expert on. We were talking about the Irani nuclear program.
Speaker 1: Even itched up to sixty percent, you only need effectively
Speaker 1: three or four percent in Richmond to run a domestic
Speaker 1: energy generating operation. But even if they don't have a
Speaker 1: triggering mechanism, they build a bomb, you need to be
Speaker 1: able to blow it up. For a real thermonuclear bomb.
Speaker 1: They could easily make a dirty bomb. They just pack
Speaker 1: it full of the sixty percent enriched uranium and just
Speaker 1: blow it up inside Tel Aviv or some other Israeli occupied.
Speaker 1: Do you see Iran reaching that level of desperation under
Speaker 1: the current circumstance.
Speaker 4: If if Benjaminett and Yah who makes good on his
Speaker 4: what he's saying right now, we will go after we
Speaker 4: may go after Iotola Comania if they start literally going
Speaker 4: after the top like they did against Hassan Isrela with Hezbola,
Speaker 4: because I think that Israel said, well, we did it
Speaker 4: before and it worked out great.
Speaker 2: They actually went to ground.
Speaker 4: That nearly ended the threat right there, and they may
Speaker 4: be some thoughts that let's do the same thing to
Speaker 4: Iotota Kamane. That's what Yahu said yesterday. That would end
Speaker 4: the war, wouldn't expand it. I think that is a
Speaker 4: reading of the situation because there are a bunch of
Speaker 4: other senior missions. You haven't killed, you know, even a small,
Speaker 4: well a small percentage, but there are still a bunch
Speaker 4: of of the senior clerics around, and there would be
Speaker 4: somebody else to pick up the table. And it's very
Speaker 4: unlikely to me that they would do what Hasbola did.
Speaker 4: I think they would do the opposite, and then they
Speaker 4: would start just throwing in the kitchen sink and everything else.
Speaker 1: They would have no reason to withhold it scary situation
Speaker 1: if we go down that road. Daniel Davis Deep Dive,
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Speaker 2: I always look forward to this, Daniel.
Speaker 1: It's been a wonderful conversation.
Speaker 2: He's a pleasure.
Speaker 1: My pleasure too, my friend. Talk to you on Tuesday
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