Speaker 1: Hi, This is Bobby Brown, and welcome to another fucking podcast.
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Speaker 1: WHOA?
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Speaker 1: Presley?
Speaker 3: Press Presley?
Speaker 6: What's my name?
Speaker 5: Say my name, bitch?
Speaker 2: My good friend?
Speaker 5: Is he Presley?
Speaker 3: Is he Presley?
Speaker 4: Is Presley Couch?
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Speaker 3: Is he President?
Speaker 2: Is he Presley?
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this is Jeffer.
Speaker 3: You listen to Izzy Presley.
Speaker 4: Those aren't pillows? Hello, Las Vegas, Hello world, Hello, my
loyal minions. It is good to see you. It's always
good to be seeing I'm Mizzey Presley. I am the
host of the program out here and beautiful Las Vegas.
I'm sorry, fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada. I got a great
show for you today. It is Friday, the twenty seventh
of February and I'm recording two shows today. This show
is going to come out today and it'll be on
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of these shows are at free and before everywhere else,
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on Friday. But today's Friday, and I have to do
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Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: Since the last time we talked, I drove to Minnesota.
I did a show up there with acc attribute to
Ace Freely, and we remember d Ace. We remember the
Press Bar and Parlor, my old stomping grounds. I bartended there.
I was a drunk there. I was on that stage
many times. With a lot of friends. It's gone six years.
Fire happened six years ago, and it's it's sad, man,
it's a sad, sad thing, but it is what it is.
We move on, we go forward, and now we just
remember the good times and our good old friends up
at the press bar and parlor. I drove which we
is I got to bring back, make a little golden
light and top the tater, you know, the important shit.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: It hit all the good places, like culvers, because we
don't have culvers here in Las Vegas. First one I
saw was flag Staff. Of course, I get, there's a
fucking blizzard, so dumb, not a blizzard, a snowstorm.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: It just set the fucking tone. But the culvers was amazing.
Culvers is unbelievable. If you never had culvers, I mean,
try culvers if you ever see one. And the next
day I drove from Oklahoma to Minnesota and got stuck
in a real blizzard. What took what's supposed to take
three hours, you know, south of Des Moines to Clear Lake.
I should be about three hours. Yeah, it took me seven.
It's fucking brutal, twenty five miles an hour. Oh, so dumb,
just so dumb, But you know, I got there. It
was frigid cold, had a nice little rehearsal in a
in an unheated garage, all this to play two hours
of kiss songs with my friends and it was goddamn
worth it. It was so fun. So thank you to
the red carpet, Thank you to my band members back home.
The original act attribute to as Freeley el bergs from
on bass, Macrotela on guitar, and the guest next week
on this show Minnesota, Pete Campbell. Pete played with Pentagram
for many years and now he's in a new project
called Axe Dragger with the original singer from Pantera's it
Blade Blaze something. I should have this stuff right in
front of me, but I don't because you know, that
would be too easy, and that would constitute doing research,
and I just don't have that bone in my body.
I don't have any other bones in my body either, thankfully,
crack myself up. And so Pie's gonna be on next
week and it is called Axe Dragger. It's the same
original Simper Pantera, the guitar player from Fu Manchu and
the bass player from a death metal band in Sweden.
And uh looking forward to that. So we're recording that today.
That will also be on the Patreon today mm hmm,
ad free a week before everybody else gets it. So
come on over to the patroon Patreon dot com slash
real Izzy Presley. So today's show what you're getting today
on Friday, the twenty seventh of February is an old friend.
I've known him for about sixteen years. His name is
Del James and Dell has been working with Guns N'
Roses for I believe since the eighties. Pretty sure, since
the eighties, since before the first record came out. I'm
pretty sure. And we're gonna get into all that. But
most importantly, Dell has a new book out called Consensual Violence,
and it is a comic book form, but it's not
a comic book. It's just is it's a book in
the comic book form with the illustrated illustrated amazing. It's
wrestling based and it's very cool. You guys will dig it.
The page or the Amazon link will be down there
so you guys can buy it. And big news. So
Dawson is still unavailable. We will be recording something on
the Cruise at the Edge next week. So that's why
I am pre recording for next week. So I am
gone Monday to Monday, and then we'll be back rolling
again on Tuesday. Maybe I'll bust out a Patreon when
I get home. We'll see why not. I mean, five
dollars a month, you should get content, right, So Dawson
and I will probably record a show on the cruise
Cruise at the Edge, it's the Prog Cruise, and then
we'll be back the following week with See, I'm working
on a couple of things. I'm working on hold on
one of them. One of them. See now, a stickler
for editing would have cut that out. I'm not gonna.
I'm just gonna leave that in there. So one of
them is this Rush book twenty twelve fifty years Rush
and twenty twelve. So we're gonna have this author on.
Dawson is a big Rush TRD, so he's very excited
about this, very very well done, very cool. We're gonna
have this cat on and then I will be getting
Martin pop Off on for his new book Kiss nineteen
seventy six goes through every month of nineteen seventy six
and Kiss and what is going on in the world.
So that's what's coming up. If you are coming to
Las Vegas to get married, hit me up. I can
do that and I'd be happy to do that. Is
he Presley dot com. All the information is there, send
me an email and uh, we'll do it and we'll
work out the fees all that kind of because that
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bit if you are new to the show I did
last year, and I recorded a bunch of them this
year at the AVNS called Dating Tips from Porn Stars.
So this is the first edition this year. We're gonna
do about once a month. We'll squeeze two in because
I didn't have a chance to do one last month.
But this one is We're starting off this one off
with a bang, no pun intended. Aubrey Kate. Aubrey is
one of the biggest, arguably the biggest trans porn star
in the business and dating tips from porn Stars. Hit
up Aubrey Kate, check it out. It is another FN podcast.
Oh my god, I forgot to tell you, ladies and
gentlemen returning to the show before we get to Aubrey,
my old co host, my old cohort because Dawson is
gone until next week. Paul Gargano Hall of Famer inaugural
Another FIN podcast, Hall of Famer, Paul Gargano, old ex
co host of the show when we were doing the
Metal Edged thing. Uh me myself, Paul and Dell James.
It is another FING podcast.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and now it's time for dating
tips from porn stars.
Speaker 4: All right, we're with Aubrey Kate. This is the very
first twenty twenty six Dating Tips from porn Stars. First question,
do you prefer a cheesy pickup line, a subtle joke,
or a blunt, random high.
Speaker 3: I think I have blunt random Hi, why sir, I
don't know.
Speaker 7: I just think like, if you're gonna come up to me,
to come up to me, you don't have to like
do something cheese need to get my attention very well.
Speaker 4: Do you prefer a blurty, funny, a long game or
blunt I'm very straight to the point.
Speaker 3: I don't really like small talk. So do you want
to fuck?
Speaker 7: Like? Being straight up, I'll either tell you yes or
how love it?
Speaker 4: First date, mulki, dive bar, high class dinner or fun activity.
I would say fun activity. I definitely don't like dive bars.
Speaker 7: I do like fine dining, but I feel like I've
been to so many nice restaurants, like I treat myself,
so I don't think anybody's gonna treat me better than
I treat myself. I think something fun and if fun
activity will kind of see how we like click together
and you.
Speaker 4: Know, act, what's the best way to break the ice online?
Speaker 7: You know that's really hard because I don't really I
never really got into the little online dating or anything
like that. I guess I would just feel like DTF,
straight to the point, all.
Speaker 4: Right, love it I'll remember that. And lastly, does size matter?
Speaker 7: Yes, I think it does. By I'm not sized queen.
I think anything between like sixth and nine is.
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to find you online, where can they find you? Aubrey
k dot com.
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Speaker 1: That was Dating Tips from porn Stars. Now back to
another f and podcast with Izzie Presley.
Speaker 4: All right, we are back on another FM podcast. That
was Dating Tips of porn Stars, the first one of
twenty twenty six with Aubrey Kid who probably has a
nicer hog than me. Uh, Ladies and gentlemen, welcoming back
to the show for the first time in years. He
is a Hall of Famer for the first ballot, the
first edition. Give it for Paul Gargano.
Speaker 3: How you doing, Pally, Hey, I forgot about that. It's
my first appearance, is becoming a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. Welcome.
Speaker 3: Mant have to officially rename it Hall of Shame.
Speaker 4: Well, that's coming soon, Paul Garganto, another refing podcast, Hall
of shame and ladies and gentlemen, joining us for the
very first time a guy that I've known for about
sixteen years, and ironically we got connected before I moved
to Los Angeles by a personal friend of both of ours,
Scottie Lee, and he just introduced me to a whole
bunch of people on Facebook and I showed up. I
was invited to the party. It was a UFC thing,
and I met Dell and he's like, oh God, I
thought you were one of those GNR freaks. Thank God
was great.
Speaker 3: No kiss for it, no kiss freak, Yeah, right.
Speaker 5: Right, that's totally fine by me.
Speaker 3: You knows.
Speaker 5: Then Lizzie fanatics, hockey fanatics, bring it.
Speaker 4: Bring it, yeah for sure. And he has a brand,
is a brand new book called Cossentual Violence, which is
available now. There it is uh the Amazon link will
be down in the uh down in Michue. Is just
on Amazon or it's.
Speaker 5: It's available in some brick and mortar stores. The Nobles
are supposed to have it, but the easiest spot to
find it is Amazon.
Speaker 4: There you go, ladies and gentlemen, Dell James welcome.
Speaker 5: I wore my I wore my hockey shirt just for you,
is he?
Speaker 4: That's right. I just noticed that. I mean I saw
the Amazons and I just noticed the old school that
that off Rangers logo.
Speaker 5: I love it, the third Jersey Rangers logo. Tracks mash
Up Hockey did this shirt, and yeah, it's pretty fucking rad.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 5: Were you all consumed in USA hockey? Were you just
losing your little friggin' mind?
Speaker 4: At five am, I was listening to it because I
was driving back from Minnesota and I left Minnesota at
seven am, so it was just at the start of
the game, so I got to listen to the entire
game and it was It was freaking exciting. It was great.
Speaker 3: That was a great game. And I love the three
on three, the three on three formats awesome. No, it's
an overtime, I love it.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: This is the gold medal game five on five.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of with Izzy on this one.
Speaker 4: I think that you.
Speaker 5: I don't think that you have to speed up the
game or guarantee a winn or just just play.
Speaker 3: And I mean, there isn't it.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Isn't that what they do? In NHL two they have indeed.
Speaker 5: Changed to three on three afterwards and if there's no
scoring then they go to the shootout. But uh, I
remember double overtime games. Triple overtime games that I mean
had some heavy duty hockey shit. Hey is watch this?
Uh huh Eddie, Jockoman, Brad park Dale, Ralph, Steve Vickers,
Vic Hatfield, and Rod Jilbert. Those are my New York Rangers.
Speaker 4: Well, my Minnesota north Stars, Will Plett, Shane Turla, Basil McCrae,
Neil Broughton, I mean Madonnald can't go wrong with Donald,
I mean, Brian Bellows, Russ Courtnell, I can go on
and on and on. Harry Taco.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm the lonely Whalers guy in Connecticut.
Speaker 5: So did you ever get to see that hockey team,
the minor league hockey team, the Trashers. Are you talking
to me or I'm talking to you, Paul?
Speaker 3: No, I did not. I did not. Where were they?
Speaker 5: They were a minor league hockey team. There's a special
on it on Netflix. Uh they were mob run. Basically,
some sow some Tony's prano dude gifts his son a
minor league hockey team, and because they've got deep pockets,
they start buying NHL players and the the Trashers. The
name was the Trashers because they were in the trash industry. This,
this documentary is to die for. Both of you fellas
need to see it. And I remember it being on Netflix.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna look that up.
Speaker 3: I also look it up too. Is it called Thrashers?
Is that in the name.
Speaker 5: It's it's whatever their their sports documentary series is called.
They did one on Christy Martin, the Lady Boxer. They
did one on the Pacers Brawl, but I can't remember
what the series is called it.
Speaker 4: I always get a chuckle out of the basketball brawls.
It's a lot of bitch slapping. There's no real fights
and basketball.
Speaker 5: Well, dude, if you're if your arms were four feet
long too, you know.
Speaker 3: There is Yep, it's on I don't know if it's
still on Netflix. Untold it's untold Crimes and Penalties, Yes, it's.
Speaker 5: It's it's basically true crime and sports mixed up with
one another for these really great stories and the Trashers one.
I mean, it's full on fucking sopranos hockey.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love it. If you watched the new season
of Shors yet, I don't even know what that is, Suresy.
It's a it's it's on Hulu. It's a it's a
hockey series. It's an offshoot of Letter Kenny and it's
like no Show Northern Ontario Senior Hockey League stuff. It
is fucking hilarious and it is awesome. You'll love it.
You like old school hockey, You'll love it. You'll love it. Well, Dell,
the reason you're here. Let's talk about the book. First,
con sensual violence. You talked about in the end of
the book. You kind of talk about where this came from,
and it started out what is a love professional wrestling?
From watching it with your dad?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm an old head. I was. I
grew up in the seventies. Wrestling was totally protected. It
was sold as real, even if you they may not be.
And my father, my father was in Bautista's Cuban government
that gets overthrown by Fidel Castro. He and my mom
come to America in nineteen sixty with the clothes on
their back.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 5: They are as immigrant of a story as you can have.
They come, they become citizens and you know, pay taxes,
do all their bit. And because there was a generational
gap between my father. My father was an older fella
and myself. He liked sports like tennis and soccer, and
I'm an American kid, you know, surrounded by baseball, football, hockey, basketball,
and we didn't see eye to eye. Couldn't understand football,
you know, for football is barbaric sport. I'm like, yeah,
that's the beauty of it, you know. But the one
thing we could agree upon was professional wrestling. He took
me to my first match in nineteen seventy five at
the Westchester County Arena in White Plains, New York, to
see Brunos and Martino defend the belt against Waldov on
Eric and wrestling was the one language that we both
spoke and both could appreciate.
Speaker 4: We would watch.
Speaker 5: We would watch NWA Wrestling from Los Angeles on UHF
forty seven as well as whatever else may come on,
and it was it was one of the few bonding
experiences that we shared. Uh We both got into the storytelling.
We both got into you know, the good versus evil
aspects of professional wrestling, which is you know, so crucial
to the storytelling. And you know, those wrestling events that
my father took me to are are you know now,
very cherished memories.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the best part about back then, I grew
up on that in that era too, later seventies, but
when you would go see things at the Hampden High
School gymnasium, like you know, you went there because it
wasn't on every it wasn't network television, and it wasn't
all over social media. You went to those little Trumbull
High School gym thinking it might be the time Andre
the Giant gets beat, it might be the time Pedro
Morales drops the belt because you had no idea, because
it was there was this It was such a mystique back.
Speaker 4: Then, right, I went my mom. So my mom worked
at the the Ice Arena in Saint Cloud and that's
where the AWA came and I remember I was very young.
I remember seeing Andre. That was the one. That's the
only thing I remember about that night. But they came
in one night and there was a blizzard, so they
were late getting in and I was in there with
her very very early before they opened the doors. Are
like eld RuSHA. They let me go into the ring
and all that kind of shit, But the wrestlers were
late showing up, so the show got delayed, but they
brought out Heenan, Bobby Heenan and Greg Gania the good
guy and the bad guy at the same time, which
was fucking It just boggled my mind. But I hadn't
Bobby Heenan autograph on my fucking popcorn box. I have
no idea where the hell it is.
Speaker 5: So who else was on the card because the AWA
was powerful back then.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was the high flyers, Jim Berzel and
and Greg Ganya. I think Heenan, God was he with?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Who the fuck was I I don't know, I was
It was like fourth grade and it's I don't remember
a lot from that time of my life.
Speaker 5: I went to Madison Square Garden in nineteen seventy seven
to see Superstar Billy Graham to defend the belt against
Mill Moscaas, and what you were saying, Paul, is like,
we totally believed we were going to go idle change
that and had to be in the building, had to
fucking see this for ourselves. And the match is called
due to Superstar Grahams were bleeding too much, so it's
a disqualification. Graham keeps the belt and then the following
month is when he loses the belt to Bob Backland.
Ohow yep got out Backland. Yeah, that guy could have
went for fucking losing. I mean that guy, that fucking guy.
Speaker 4: Is that the match where he lost to the Sheik?
Speaker 3: That is honestly, I used to dude. I swam growing
up and the swim team and his daughter swam and
became just kind of passing friendly with him, and it
was it's just an autograph picture. It's an autograph picture
because that was a huge because nobody cared about him
as a wrestler. This was after he was done wrestling.
This is when I was in high school, so nobody
cared about him as a wrestler. He was just this
chick's dad, you know, you know what I mean. It
was like, And that was before the WWF made an
even bigger laughing stock out of him, but it was
that was just it's autographed on the back.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: He he gets unfair harsh treatment because he was the
chosen one by Vince Senior. Everybody all of New York
was in love with Superstar Graham, Superstar Gram. Without Superstar Graham,
there's no Chail shown in there, There's no MJF. All
these guys took something out of Superstar Graham's book, and
Superstar Graham took stuff out of Muhammad Ali's promosh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you are.
Speaker 5: Captivated, You're enthralled by this, this great talking, muscular blonde Adonis.
And then the next guy in line is howdy fucking duty?
Speaker 3: You know he did.
Speaker 4: Back the chance. No, let me ask you this when
when Hogan came in, obviously he became the incredible Hulk
Hogan in Awa, That's where that whole character was developed.
What did you guys know about did you know anything
about him? When he came in the second time and
beat the Shekh.
Speaker 5: History has a great way of a race and what
happened before it, so that Hogan had had a run
already with Fred Blassie as his manager, and he lost
to Andre the Giant at Shea Stadium, and you know
came in and you know did his run, loses to
Bruno San Martino and then disappears, as did everyone else,
as did Louiser Brodi, Stan Hansen, Baron von Rashka. Whoever
the villain of the moment was, whoever the flavor of
the two month or three month run that includes you know,
shows in Philadelphia, shows in Boston, shows in Connecticut, showsen.
Speaker 3: And then everywhere in between. It's like it's it was
like concert touring because they would connect the dots between
the big cities with the Trumbull High School gym.
Speaker 5: It was absolutely concert touring. And you know, these guys
worked six nights a week, if not seven, uh, sometimes
twice on Sundays. And you know, we can never go
back to that. Now we're killed. And you don't have
to wait till midnight to catch WWWF on channel nine
w R in New York.
Speaker 3: You know, in black and white with the snowy reception,
and you got to hitting the side of the TV that.
Speaker 5: Was wiggling the rabbit ears trying to think yeah.
Speaker 3: And my grandmother would go crazy every time I even
Putski came on because she was Polish and that was that.
She's the one that got me into it, because she
loved it. And every time my parents would go out,
my grandmother would babysit and she'd let me stay up
and watch wrestling with her, and she would tell me
who was bad, who was good, and she loved Ivan Putski.
Speaker 5: Everybody loved I have Polish power. Yeah, I mean all
that dude had to do was come to the ring,
raise his fist, yell polish power, and he had Madison
Square Garden.
Speaker 3: In the hands right right with his great finishing moves,
the polish hammer hammer.
Speaker 5: And here's here's a fun fact. The guy who who
basically trained Bruiser Brody in professional wrestling is Ivan Putski.
Speaker 3: Oh wow. And Bruises Bruis is your all time favorite, right.
Speaker 5: Bruiser Brody is my number one, my my, my Elvis Presley. Uh,
there is none more believable of a brawler, of a
wild man, of a riot and inducing ensuing. Either Babyfait's
purvillain didn't matter. Bruiser Brody was the real fucking deal.
And Bruiser Brody gets murdered in a dressing room and
buy him on Puerto Rico by Jose Gonzalez, who wrestled
as Invader Number one.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 5: It was the very first episode of Dark Side of
the Ring. The story Dark Side of the Ring, you know, fantastic,
fantastic good.
Speaker 3: So I literally just wrote a note to bring that up,
and then you brought it up. So I literally just
scribbled while you were talking D.
Speaker 2: S O t R.
Speaker 3: To make sure it got brought off because that.
Speaker 5: And I mean bro Brody versus Antonio and OK Brody
versus Abdullah the Butcher. Yeah, Legendary Brody and handsome tag
team in Japan, you know, the something else. And there
there was talks, There was you know, whispers that WrestleMania
two could be Bruiser Brody versus Hulk Cogan, and that
net came to be never got past the preliminary talking stages.
But those seeds were being planted, and that would have
been super cool shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it would have been a lot better than
what WrestleMania two ended up being.
Speaker 5: Boy, Yeah, the one in Chicago was a total dud.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, so when you decided, so when you decided to
start writing this book, obviously the wrestling was there. Where
where did the story come from? Where did where did
this all begin?
Speaker 5: So basically, Consensual Violence is an unproduced movie script. So
I wrote it as a film, and the inspiration was
watching an El Santo Blue Demon film. I have several
of them in my Blu ray stack, but I can't
remember which one I was watching. And there was something
so endearing about men wearing shiny, glittery masks and capes
out in public, you know, going to the restaurant, but
keeping their masks on and shit like that. That that
that that brain cell that often gets me in trouble,
was like, how can you do something similar? And that's
where the foundation, that's where the very beginning of consensual
violence started to take place. I wanted to create something
where you have real life people without superpowers, but somehow
in their costumes, having to fight for their lives. And
you know, hopefully I pulled it off well enough that
people dig it.
Speaker 4: And what a better way to do it than with
professional wrestling.
Speaker 5: It's the only real way. I mean, you may be
able to do a start. Nah, it's the only one.
I mean, it's so ingrained in our psyche. You know,
there are lucha doors. They wear masks.
Speaker 3: I you know well and you I like the fact,
you know, all three of us are obviously wrestling fans.
I like the fact that you brought it, you brought
it to Mexico with the LUCHADORI is because there's a
mystique there that we don't have now wrestling theatrics in America.
I mean right now they think people think of Netflix
and you know, who's got what TV? Who has the contract,
you bring it back to Mexico where it's so real
and people are masked and they're hidden in the part
where that she takes they put their masks on. They
take the picture with the police and the book, and
it's like, it's that mystique is back, and Mexico allows
you to take it back to that mystique we had
back in the seventies and early eighties, which I thought
was really, like I said off camera, I started reading
it is he sent it to me. I started reading
it and I didn't stop. I went through the whole
thing and it was it was I was like it
was a page turner on the computer.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much. I totally appreciate that. Yeah, no,
it could only it could only make sense in Mexico.
It would because Lucha Libre is so ingrained in as
part of their culture, because there are generational fans and
generational Luca doors. It's part of their societal fabric. And
you know, you wouldn't have the same situation where the
cops pull over the characters and say put your masks on.
You know, it would ever happen in America, But it's
totally believable in Juarez.
Speaker 4: Yeah, where did the idea to have it animated like
a like a comic book come from?
Speaker 5: So okay, So it's this script that's sitting on my
desktop doing nothing but collecting dust. And my friends Jeremy,
my friend Jeremy Wagner, who is the CEO of Dead
Sky Publishing, was talking to me about possibly doing some writing.
He's a fan of the language of fear. My collection
is short horror, and I was like, I have some
I have some stuff written, and I think it would be,
you know, a pretty cool graphic novel. So Jeremy introduces
me to Steve Wands. There s f O over at
Dead Sky. Steve is my comic book since Steve is
the guy who put me together with the artist, with
the colorist, with everything. He's the guy who you know,
he's he's the coach of the team. And they taught
me how to do a comic book script. They taught
me the beats, the format. You know. It took a
couple passes to get it right. Nothing's ever a first draft,
you know, but eventually it got to a place where
it was presentable and made sense. And and then and
then the secret weapons are Junas Husicni the artist of
consensual violence. Man, he he makes me seem so much
better than I really am. Okay, his artwork is fucking spectacular.
And every little change, every little detail, you know, when
when you look at like the Easter eggs, like when
the ladies are at the wrestling ticket booth and there's
gimmicks and there there's wrestling masks for sale, all of
all of the colors are accurate. There there that is
a tiger mask. That is a Juician Thunderliger mask, that
is a mill Moscatas mask, you know, and the colors
are right. So he every little detail, My man fucking
knocked it out. And then the colorist is a lady
named Julia Brusco. And Julia has a very extensive resume
and and we were very fortunate to get her, and
she captured the tone perfectly. It's got a certain grit,
a certain grind that you know, if this book was
all bright and shiny, yeah, it doesn't have this same effect.
It's when it was written as a script. It's written
as an exploitation film. It's borrowing from kill Bill, it's
borrowing from thriller, a cruel picture. And I spit on
your grave and revenge, grape revenge. You know, something horrible
happens to our protagonist, and then we root for them
to get their fucking come up and to get their revenge.
And I just said it in the world of Mexican
wrestling and Luca Libine.
Speaker 3: The What was the difference for you? Because you have
written a lot, How hard was it making that jump
into because the pictures tell so much of the story,
and it gives the words even more weight at that point.
And that's one of the things I was thinking as
I was reading through. There's so many panels without even text.
How hard was it making that jump from what you
had as a script, from all the writing you've done
into writing for a for a graphic novel.
Speaker 5: It it was awkward at first, but once you start realizing,
you know, you've got to be economical with your panels,
and certain pages can have more images, but if it's
a long exposition page, if there's a lot of dialogue,
you need to leave room for the balloon captions. So
you screenwriting screenwriting, you know, you don't tell the director
how to direct, but you learn how to write in
a manner so they'll see what you want. Yeah, a
lot of that was also done in this script, and
truth be told, there's a you know, there's three wrestling matches.
There's the minis, the little people, the midget wrestling, there's
the men's wrestling, and then there's the ladies match, which
is the main event. A men's match once had dialogue
and announcing and all that kind of stuff, And between
Steve Wan and the letterer, Mikey Fiorantino, they were like,
you don't need anything, Harry, we get it. You know,
all we want to do is seeds characters who we've
already already seen in the beginning of the book and
who also play a part of why shit happens later on.
So they pulled the dialogue and the pages benefited from it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: One thing I did like too, is like when they're
setting up the match, you know, you get that behind
the scenes dialogue, Okay, what are we going to do tonight?
How are we going to do this tonight? And you know,
it's like part of that k fabe of wrestling. You
almost don't want to hear that shit, but it's cool
that you have it in there.
Speaker 5: It makes it seems more realistic. And I've asked buddies
the people who've been in dressing rooms and locker rooms
before matches. Does it resonate? Does it ring true? And
everybody's been you know, Yeah, you've got the lingo, You've
got the language. Boom boom boom e o m is
indeed a word in Spanish in Mexico which is basically
bang bang bang so bo.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 3: Did you where did the characters come from? Did you
have these characters in mind?
Speaker 5: All?
Speaker 3: I'm surprised there haven't been wrestling characters like this before,
Like the two women.
Speaker 5: You know, they're definitely influenced by by certain characters. By
the sassy Latina can be traced to kind of Sasha
Bangs or Mercedes Mona she's known now, Yeah, the Fish
out of Water, White Girl, Kristin Moore La view of
the Vampira or the view that the Frankenstein is is,
you know, the the Wendy Richter of it, you know.
Speaker 4: The holy Wendy Richter reference.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: And you know it's easy to cast these if ever
was to be made.
Speaker 4: Into a movie, you know, do you well, let me
ask you this, do you think that now that you
have this out, that maybe it could be the vehicle
to take the script to the next level.
Speaker 5: That would be a Grand Slam, that would be you know,
winning a Texas Death Match. That would be a dream true.
And you know they're basically storyboards.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I'm very proud of the graphic novel, you know,
I'm very proud of that accomplishment. I was fortunate that
this piece of writing that I did, that that was
going nowhere, went somewhere, you know, and just by sticking,
you know, by believing in it, and you know, having
good people also believe in.
Speaker 3: It, right, right, Have you given any thought to taking
some of your prior writing, like maybe some of the
stuff from Language of Fear or any other writing you've done,
in converting it following the footsteps into graphic novel.
Speaker 5: With that, there's always the possibility, you know that, There's
always that possibility. But I have a lot of unread,
unproduced scripts that will make four great graphic novels, okay.
And we are in the process of working on my
second one now, which is called it's called No Saints
in Me and Mar And if consensual violence was my
feminist statement, no Saints in Me and Mar is my
chivalry Ain't dead statement. Trux of The plot is a
call girl, a high priced escort, is summoned to a
hotel to you know, do a trick with a mobster.
She's taken there by a security expert a bodyguard, and
the mobster does too much blow and too many viagras,
has a heart attack and dies. So the escort goes
to the bodyguard. Help me, help me, help me. That
bodyguard has a choice to make. Do I take her
turn her in well she where she will be executed,
or do I help her get out of me? And more,
knowing that all the triad is going to be after
us chivalrient dead, of course he's going to help her.
And it is my if if consensual violence is my
homage to Santo movies or Blue Demon movies or Lucha
Libre movies. This is definitely influenced by the films of
Sam peckinpah Uh, gritty grimy, you know, men doing men's
shit at big shotgun blasts.
Speaker 3: Very nice nice. Is there a timeline for that one
yet or not yet?
Speaker 5: It's in production right now, it's being drawn as we speak.
A fellow named Dolly Bartelegic from Croatia is the artist,
and Dolly Bar has done a lot of Deadpool, He's
done some Punisher, He's done some really grimy graphic novels.
And you know, I've posted a little here and there
on like Instagram, as has he and and some of
these images are just fucking slamming.
Speaker 2: He.
Speaker 5: I'm so fortunate to have someone so talented working on
No Saints in me and mar What what's.
Speaker 3: The what's the time? Like? What's the process?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: Do you start with do you do you hand something
to the artists? Like do you hand you obviously you
can't have the words until the images are made, right
or do you have the words and then the artist
strings them together?
Speaker 5: You're you're correct the second time? Okay, the script exists
and then the artist starts envisioning it and you see
preliminary sketches, you see thumbnails, you see you know, panels
without much detail so that the movement, the action is
concurate and correct, and then from there it goes to
pencils and inks. Then the artist might be done there
and the colorist comes in and the whole thing. It
can take a very long time, but Consensual Violence took
about a year. While hoping we're hoping to have No
Saints out before the end of this year. I want
to capitalize on as much momentum as possible. So if
consensual violence is on people's radar right now, who's to
sit that in eighteen months, it's still wild, you know
what I mean? So Dead Sky Publishing and myself are
working on a few books and putting the wheels in
motion to just keep slamming people with you know, I
mean violent tales.
Speaker 4: I love this. So I want to dive into your
backstory a little bit. How old were you when you
moved to Los Angeles.
Speaker 5: I was a whopping twenty one years old when I
moved to Los Angeles, which is over forty fucking years ago.
Speaker 3: So much a few years ago?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 4: So that would have been what eighty five did? Were
you in the music industry at all before you went
out there.
Speaker 5: I was not a professional by any means. I was
just a huge uber rock fan, and it that Los
Angeles was happening as much as it was happening at
that particular time was the shiny lure in the water.
I hitched my wagon to a friend of mine who
I had been in a garage band with a fella
named Randy Piawar who was moving out to go to
GI to Guitar Institute, and I seized the moment. I'm
going with you, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And.
Speaker 5: I didn't know exactly what my course was. I wanted
to be a singer, but I'm a terrible singer. Not
that devil stopped me.
Speaker 3: That hasn't stopped anybody, so I shouldn't stop you.
Speaker 5: And I had big dreams and aspirations of being David
Lee Roth, of being Bottle Scott, you know. And as
fate would have it, the first people who I meet
on my first weekend in town apartment shopping is West Arkeene.
I bump into this fella who is the embodiment of
Jeff Spacoli, meets Joe Walsh and he's holding a bottle
of tequila, and we become friends in the fucking hallway
and then wind up partying for the next seventy two
hours non stop. We're there for three days, and living
next door to Wesley was Duff McKagan. Okay, cashing on
Wesley's floor is actual rose. So these guys, these these
these rock and roll animals become my introduction to Hollywood.
And once once you get a little taste of it,
it's really addictive, it's really exciting. And so these guys
are in a band called Guns n' Roses, guns n' Roses,
and in the back of my head, I'm like, man,
if you're half as cool as your name, you're gonna
be pretty fucking cool. But I haven't seen them perform
yet that they're they're talking and living it and everything
is gunge and roses, guns and Roses, and and you
get kind of caught up in this Guns n' Roses whirlwind.
So I went to see them perform on a Thursday
night at the Troubadoor, and there's sixty of us, there's
fifty of us. It's not the guns n' Roses that
people equate with super stardom. Now, it's the who gives
a fuck guns n' Roses. But also at the same time,
you got to remember La guns Faster pussy Cat. There's
a scene that's happening, and you kind of chose your gang.
And those who were in on Guns n' Roses early
saw something that no one else had saw, some fucking
chemistry and danger and decadence and talent that was unlike
what a club band does. This is meant to be
much bigger. You know, somehow, some way, forty years later,
here I still am part of the Guns n' Roses
organization and family.
Speaker 4: How how did that actually start? How did your business
connection with them start? Or working for them on the.
Speaker 5: I get sober May thirteenth, nineteen ninety two, and that's
the same time as the Guns n' Roses Metallica tour. Okay,
So management was bringing me out to be a documentarian,
to work with a documentary crew to see how it's run.
And you know, I was given a fantastic incentive by
the then manager who was like, as long as you
stay clean and sober, you will always have a job.
So I was given small tasks at first, be an
assistant to this guy, help with the documentary, be the
interviewer for the document the unreleased documentary movie. Okay. And
you know, every time I was handed the ball, I
didn't fumble. I may not have gotten very far, but
at least I didn't fumble. Right. That led to more
opportununities and more opportunities. So and and here we are
today where I'm still part of, you know, the the
touring management.
Speaker 4: So last question on this, we have so much stuff.
We still have to get it a kiss, and he's
Friel and all this stuff. What you do, of course
we do so. But so you were there in Toronto
that night. What do you remember about that night?
Speaker 5: I was there in Montreal. If you're referring to.
Speaker 4: Them Montreal, Montreal, morey holders.
Speaker 5: My mouth says words incorrectly all the time. I had
to say, uh so, a little backstory. Prior to that
show in Montreal, there had been some shows that had
been canceled because Axel was having throat issues. They had
to be canceled. He had no voice, so he goes
and sees doctors. He he does what he's told, and
then Montreal is the first gig. That same night. Someone
moved the monitors. This is before in ear monitors, right,
this is wedges on the floor and shit like that.
Someone moved the monitors, which arguably is why James Hetfield
caught fire while he stood in the wrong spot. And
I was horrific. That was fucking horrifying.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Then Guns n' Roses come on and I'm in the audience.
I'm you know, I'm at front house. I'm in the
barricade where the photographers are. And when I tell you
it was like Twilight Zone. The sound was insane, the
sound was it was all askew. It made no fucking
sense why this was happening. So eventually the band walked off.
They tried to play for about forty forty five minutes
and they were like, yo, I'll come back on this.
Shit's right, And Montreal exploded. The stadium went fucking batshit,
and uh, you know, everybody kind of took shelter in
the dressing rooms. And I remember when we were leaving
to go back to the MGM, which was the plane
we were chartering to go home, and this fucking horrific
riot had just gone down. We had to wear hard
hats and keep our heads down because we were concerned
about you know, upset fans throwing bricks at us, right right.
Speaker 4: Well, it's just weird to hear this side of it
because we've never heard that side of the story about
the monitors not being in the right spot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, there's much like every story has a backstory,
and you know, it was fucked up, and it wasn't
for a lack of effort. You know, it wasn't that
that someone just decided, hey, I don't want to play
to night. No, there were reasons, and every attempt to
get shit right just just seemed to make matters worse. So, yeah,
there were a lot of factors, and I hope I'm
doing the story justice and being as accurate as can be,
But there was a lot of shit that went down
that night, and monitor placement has a lot of do
with it.
Speaker 3: This was also this was also pre Internet and for
all the for all the criticisms that could be made
of everybody knowing everything now because it's the Internet, and
even if they're wrong, they still have an opinion. The
fact of the matter was back then it wasn't as
easy to get the story out there. It was just
there was a there was a villain, and that was it,
and that's the way it was portrayed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I mean you speak about the end of
in the past week, you know, phil Anselmo had some
false stories floating around that had people concerned. We live
we we we can't handle these fucking things. We have
become reliant upon them. So directions are no longer you know, mappable.
They have to be spoken to you by by serious
some Yeah, and the ability to spread false information is
staggering for for for clickbait and for political reasons. You know,
you fucking talk enough shit about your opponent enough and
it reaches enough people who are susceptible to believe in it,
and it works. You know, disinformation is a reality and
we are living in that age.
Speaker 4: Well look, I mean this, what we're doing right now
is a perfect example. I jokingly named the show another
fucking podcast in twenty thirteen. Not everybody had a podcast.
Now everybody does have a podcast, and there's a lot
of shit that's just out there for clickbait and goes
right back to exactly what you said.
Speaker 6: I did like.
Speaker 3: I did like just taking it back to the to
the novel for a moment. I did like the part
in there where the girls were talking about their image,
and she was talking about her image, and they were
talking about the way some female wrestlers because I know
some of this is right out of current events, it
seemed because it was they were talking about how people
treat some of the female wrestlers.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there's what Paul's referring to. Is there's a
little segment where they talk about the ugliness of the internet,
the super fanboys who spew hate online, and that's an
unfortunate reality, and female wrestlers experience a lot of misogynistic,
ugly comments that you know that somebody wouldn't say to
someone else face to face, but brought up fucking cowards.
But then you know, be keyboard warriors and whatnot.
Speaker 3: All right, are you friends with any female wrestlers? Did
you have any like quote unquote consultants in that regard?
Speaker 5: No? No, no, I'm just a fan and a respectful fan.
Speaker 4: You know, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Like NXT has a lady wrestler named Saul Ruka and
she's fantastic. Uh, she's destined for the main roster. I
really like Techla in a e W when she does
the Exorcist spider walk. Fuck me, that is so good.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep. All right, she's still she's still ad
did she leave ADW?
Speaker 5: Tela is AW and she I believe is their current
Worlds Women's Worlds Champion.
Speaker 3: That's not who I was thinking of. I was thinking
of the the.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 3: There was another one that did the spider walk and
Abdon was that her name? Abdon Abdon? She's not She's
not aw anymore.
Speaker 6: No, she had a great gimmick though she was she
was like black metal, you know, yeah, and you know,
as you both know, I am a big fan of
black fucking Medal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw.
Speaker 5: I saw a Venom Slayer Exodus at Studio fifty four
in nineteen eighty five. I've been to countless Wattain shows,
countless Slayer shows, countless Behemoth shows, as well as like
some some grimy, underground black metal shows where take your
life into your own hand, and that's part of its charm,
that's part of its appeal. It's not far.
Speaker 4: Have you been to the Metal Blade Museum out here
in Vegas yet.
Speaker 5: Dell love the Metal Blade Museum, you know, all the
old Merciful Fate stuff, and obviously it's I cannot recommend
visiting the Metal Blade Museum in Las Vegas any higher.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fucking great. And in the words of our
mutual friend, dude, can we just talk about kiss del
how did your kiss story start?
Speaker 5: Shit? I want to say, in fifth grade, I buy
my first record with my first with my own money,
and that's Kiss Alive, and that becomes the gateway to
Black Sabbath and led Zeppelin, and that they become the
gateway to Judas Priest and the Scorpions and Iron Maiden,
et cetera, et cetera. Kiss Were They Walked on Water,
Kiss Were God, and Ace Freely in particular was my
favorite God. The first show I was supposed to attend
was nineteen seventy seven Kiss at Madison Square Garden, but
I had like pneumonia or something, and my mom wouldn't
let me go. And for years I was resentful that
I missed out on Kiss, because between seventy seven and
their next come around, Dynasty comes out, it loses me entirely.
I've gone from Kiss army, loving, supporting, Kiss Meets the
Phantom and all that stuff to kisses for kids, Kisses
for someone else. I've moved on to Black Sabbath only
only for years later. You know, Creatures of the Night
kind of got me back. And of course the reunion
tour was very important to me. Uh so Kiss were
and are today very important to me.
Speaker 3: Did you see did you ever see Kiss in makeup
before the reunion or was that your only shot?
Speaker 5: The first time I saw Kiss was on the Lick
It Up Tour at the Nassau Coliseum with Queen's Rake
as their opener. Wow.
Speaker 3: Nice, So.
Speaker 5: I was the first person to interview or as one
of the first people to interview Kiss in their makeup.
But it's not what you think.
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 5: For the Reunion tour in nineteen ninety, Kiss did a
music video for to a Rise to It, and the
beginning and the end of the video is Kiss applying
their makeup, talking about you know, we can never take
this off. All we can take this, we can never
take this off. Well, we can take this off. Then
they performed the song Bruce Koolick and Eric Carr and
the band, and then at the end of it is
them is Paul and Jean and full Kiss makeup. And
this is a come to Jesus moment, but not like
in the traditional sense. This is this is scene. This
is seeing a fucking miracle for me, right, And I'm
fortunate enough to be the person who has chosen to
cover and interview Kiss for RIP magazine. So so so
on the video shoot, people are coming in Pepe poking
their heads and and one of the people who also
was like nerding out over like Kiss wardrobe and Jean's
boots with Steven Adler. Steven snuck in as well, and
like we're like children, right, We're Oh my.
Speaker 4: God, look at this belt, it's got studs on it.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, look at these boats, it's got the
dragon teeth. It was phenomenal in you know, the true
geekiest sense of the word.
Speaker 4: And and you know, did you have the whole kiss
tard thing in the back of your head going well, okay,
this this costume that that's from a different era.
Speaker 5: And yeah, no, I was taking mental notes, but I wasn't.
I was a guest that I was trespassing, So I.
Speaker 4: Was just yeah, how, I mean, how was that the interview?
I mean, what was that? Because are you sitting there
with them in full makeup doing the interview?
Speaker 5: No, they're they're not. But I saw the Shoot, they're professionals,
you know, I know how to answer every question the
way they want to answer the question to get a
point to cross. So you know, there there's no new revelations,
and I'm egging them on, like sure you don't want
to put the makeup on? Well you never say Neverdell,
but you know, yeah, yeah, and lo and behold. Eventually
they came to their senses and gave the people what
they truly want, as good as some of the non
makeup music is, and some of it's really fucking good.
Everybody wants to see kissing makeup doing.
Speaker 3: The class except for except except for Chris Jericho.
Speaker 5: And Danko Jones and Jones.
Speaker 4: Bill, you said you had a You said you had
a relationship with Ace.
Speaker 5: I did have a fleeting relationship with Ace Freely. So
around the reunion time around would would that have been
ninety five is or six ninety six? Ye ninety five
ninety six kiss r keeping their secrets under wrap that
they're gonna do kinda do and they're preparing for it.
My friend Steve Werner had been Ace's drummer in the
Ace Freely band for for years and that's how I
first met and became friendly with Ace. So Steve is
like yo, Aces staying at the Shoreham Towers. He's really
doesn't know all that many people, you mind, you know,
going in and hanging out shit like fuck me of
course duh. So so so you know, I get to
know Ace and and he's charming and lovable when he
wants to be charming and lovable, right, And it was
always super cool. Hey, this is my friend Dally's the
author of a back so one of the times that
really stands out in my adventures with Ace Freely is.
I took him to Dragonfly, which is a rock and
roll bar on Santa Monica Boulevard. I don't recall who
was playing, but he had his man purse. He had
his his brown leather bag on that's full of all
kinds of like incredible, what are you doing with that
kind of stuff?
Speaker 3: He's ready for the prices, right, And one of.
Speaker 5: The items he had in his merse was night vision goggles.
Speaker 4: So we're in this dark bar and.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dal I got this from one of my CIA friends.
And you put them on, and sure enough, it's silence
of the lambs. You can see in the dark. So
I hand a back his his his uh night vision goggles,
and he tells me go hide. So we're playing hide
and go seek in a bar with night vision goggles. Man,
Oh is that? So?
Speaker 3: Where'd you hide in Dragonfly?
Speaker 5: Like behind a table or something like that. There wasn't
like a tree or anything that I can Yeah, what.
Speaker 3: Are you doing?
Speaker 4: Ace Frehley told me to go hide. I'm gonna go hide.
Speaker 5: And so before you moved into the slam Dome, Isy,
Ace had gone there on several occasions. To just hang
out and you know, mingle with my circle of friends,
which is your circle of friends.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah yeah. Do you remember the last time you
saw or talked to Ace? Yeah uh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was kind of awkward, so I don't
want to go into it.
Speaker 4: Okay, no, no, it's all good. It's all good.
Speaker 5: No, you have to.
Speaker 3: I ended up seeing one of his last shows. I
saw the show. He played a show in this random
festival in Monroe, Connecticut, and it ended up being one
of his last shows.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, last time I last time I saw him
was last time he played Vegas, and it was not
one of his good shows.
Speaker 3: This was actually a good show. It was a good
It was a good night.
Speaker 5: We saw Ace open for Alice Cooper at at the
Hollywood Bowl.
Speaker 4: Oh, at the Bowl.
Speaker 5: Or the Greek I can't remember.
Speaker 4: It might have been the Greek because I was I
think I went to that show with Amet.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, and Ace Freeley was not very good. No,
it was unfortunate. Which is a drag. Is around the
time of the Sunset Music Festival, where all the clubs
on the Strip as well as the Strip has bands.
Ace Freely played the Viper Room and It was Ace
Freely with Todd Youth on guitar, Johnny Martin may have
been on bass, and it was fucking great. It was great.
And in the Viper Room, which holds you know, yeah,
one hundred crammed jam packed, Ace did the smoking guitar gimmick.
I'd rather remember that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it. I mean, look, you've been around
a while. I mean you were obviously on the strip
in that in that fucking heyday of Heydays. Is there
any shows that pop out in your head that you remember, like,
holy fuck, I can't believe I was at that.
Speaker 5: There were so many shows in such a scene that
was happening. I mean, you gotta remember you could go
to the Sunset Strip from then Gazzaaries which later became
the Key Club, the Rainbow, the Roxy and the Whiskey,
and as well as the Central before it becomes the
Viper Room, and along that stretch of land there was
a thousand kids every night. There were adventures just waiting
to happen, So Faster, pussy Cat, Taz the Wild, all
these bands, as well as Guns N' Roses La Guns Fast,
pussy Cat, and then there were other scenes that were
happening with like Jane's addiction and shit like that. So
there was always something to do somewhere. Monday night was
the Scream Club, Tuesday night was cat House, Wednesday may
have been that Camp Hollywood, Thursday was Bordello, and then
you had the weekend. And at any given on any
given night, at any given venue, you didn't know who
was going to play. It could be White Zombie, it
could be Danzig, it could be Mookie Blaylock, who later
on become Pearl jam Alison Chains, it could be Blind Melon.
That there was something always going on and it was
always so important to witness it, to experience it, to
be part of this, not really knowing that you're becoming
part of history, but like, I can't miss this. I
can't miss out, you know, I might meet my my
future girlfriend, my future bandmates. Yeah, drug dealers man, Yeah,
going on.
Speaker 3: I did a project with Perry Farrell during COVID. It
was a book project and it was interesting because one
of the things we talked about it kind of went
through his whole life and we talked a lot about
the Sunset strip and it was interesting because he says
the same exact thing and it's like that. He talks
about like Guns n' Roses, Faster, pussy Cat and Jane's Addiction,
and he in particularly would talk about Axel because he's like,
there was this mutual respect. We were completely different musical forms,
but there was a mutual respect and everyone wanted to
be the alpha. So he's like, you had this and
it was a really fascinating perspective coming from him.
Speaker 5: And and and I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment. Axel
was a huge Jane's Addiction supporter. He turned me onto
the Jane's Addiction demo. Ah wow. And you know, he
had mad respect for that band and what they were doing.
And Guns n' Roses had its own thing going on.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And every band was like a gang, and the
roadies were, you know, also part of the gang. And
the family was also part of the gang. But you
chose your gang, you know. So I want to say
it was like nineteen eighty six street scene in downtown
Los Angeles. There's it's it's packed, it's it's huge, you know.
And to keep fans from climbing on stage and stage diving,
they had these steel barrels, these garbage cans filled with water,
that somehow got thrown on the stage, and then people
like myself are another roading named Redhead or Jojo z
Out would would take these steel and throw them back.
We're throwing steel at human beings. We're protecting our gang.
Speaker 4: This is what you do.
Speaker 3: You know, this is this is before you get sued
for looking into the crowd. This is like, yeah, wow, wow.
Speaker 5: It was. You know, you don't realize it at the moment,
because you know, when when you're in the eye of
the hurricane, you don't really realize it as a hurricane
going on, shit spinning. And there was so there was
so much happening, you know, there was so much happening
that I was hired by Geffen Records to be a
talent scout and once a month write a report as
to what bands I thought were, you know, worthy of
the record label's attention.
Speaker 4: There any bands that pop out in your head that
might have gone on to that next level.
Speaker 5: I was a big fan and supporter of this punk
rock grunge band called New Improved God. And New Improved
God were wrong place, wrong time. If they had been
in Seattle, they would have exploded. They they were so
good and so misunderstood, and you know, I would tell
people about them and couldn't get a bite. Couldn't get
a bite. There was all so another band called Grace
Period that a lot of my friends I've been in.
Josh Lewis, who was in Warrant, was in Grace Period.
Uh Mark de Jockomo, the bass player who was in
Slack Babbath sid from from Rob Holford's two, was the drummer.
He was also in the Wild with Dizzy Reid. They
were a really great, gritty rock and roll band and
superiors to me A and R Scouts would come out
and they'd be like, the band's great, but they need
a singer. Everybody had fucking Sebastian bach fever. So if
you weren't front in the band, they they they didn't
get you. So no matter how good Grace Period weren't,
they were really fucking good. They they they never got
a record deal.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess that was at that time too, when
like you, it was it started to get cookie cutter, right,
And I.
Speaker 5: Mean there's many different reasons, but MTV it's part of
the blame. People start people started listening to music with
their eyes and not you know, judging with their ears.
They start, Yeah, if you look the part, you must
be the part right and and you know the rebellion
that happens as a result is to be expected. You know,
when you've got all these glamtastic, fluffy rock bands, of
course somewhere there's going to be rebellion in flannels, in
reb jans. And what I'm waiting for in this political
climate is where's the angry youth rock and roll band
that tells me like it is, where is the the
the vigilant, anti red hats, anti magas, who who are
the sex pistols of their generation, whore the guns n'
roses of their generation?
Speaker 4: Well it's you know, you bring up Gen R again too,
Like they them and Ellie Guns and Postycat. They were
kind of the opposite of what was going on of
what was huge, the poisons and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when when you say hair metal, when when people
dub something hair metal, the Guns and Roses family takes
offense because it's so cookie cutter, it's so right, just
just dumbing down something. And there were drastic differences. You know,
Hanoi Rocks were not fucking hair metal, no matter how glamorific.
They were Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers were not glam
metal or or hair metal or rock, no matter how
influential they may be. Dead Boys YadA YadA, YadA, uh
it and Guns and Roses had more in common with
punk rock than what MTV will wind up promoting. When
you know, when when Warrent and Bullet Boys and Slaughter
and all those bands that, you know, it's not cool
of me to disrespect them, but yeah, they're they're polar
opposites and what fucking Guns n' Roses was doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Dell. I know you have an appointment in
forty five minutes or so, so let's close on this.
Ricky Rackman's podc The Cathouse Podcast, he told the story,
and I'm wondering if you were there, if you remember
this night there was something about Axel and David Bowie.
Speaker 7: I was there.
Speaker 5: I don't remember the details, but it happened. It definitely happened.
Speaker 3: It took a lot of.
Speaker 5: Shit that happened that I can't remember the details from right.
Every night was a new adventure. Every day was your
last day on Earth, and you were going to party
like it was nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 4: I love it, Dell. People want to find the book.
Where can they find the book?
Speaker 5: Anybody who's interested in consensual violence can look Amazon dot com.
And if you have read Consensual Violence, please leave a
comment in the Amazon book reviews. That really helps, you know,
promote and generate interest, well as any of the podcasts
this one. If there's a comment section, please leave your
review of the book, good bed and different, just talk
about it and help spread the word. I'm thankful to
both of you, gentlemen.
Speaker 3: For Dell one. Is there a place for people for
people that are into the memorabilia aspect? Is there a
way to get an autograph copy? Do you do that
at all?
Speaker 5: Not really? Not really, Okay, I will gladly sign anybody's
copy if we happen to be in the same room
at the same time.
Speaker 3: But Amazon is the place to go that, okay, or
your indie bookstores, okay, all right?
Speaker 5: Amazon Amazon dot com is the the place where most
of their most of the people have been able to
find consensual votes.
Speaker 3: Fantastic And maybe I'll see I got a dunge n'
roses at the well what's it called now, MetLife, So
maybe we'll see you there.
Speaker 4: Right, on all right, check out Dell if they want
to find you on like Twitter and Instagram, Del James Gang.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm on all the socials. Facebook, Uh, Threads, Instagram,
Blue Sky. I'm on some ship. I don't even know
what it is, but I can't figure out threads. I'm
sure there's a logic to it. I mean I can
post on threads. I can comment on other people's threads.
I can see things that were on Instagram through threads.
Speaker 4: Now weird wild Paul, Uh, What's what's up in Paul World?
Is there anything that people need to know about Paul
World or reach out to Paul Paul World?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just management all all the fun stuff.
There's nothing, there's nothing, nothing to plug right now. I
got a new new band I'm working on with Chad Taylor,
the guitar player of Live that there is that has
We've just started talking about it, but that band. At
this point, we're ready to get out there. We're just
finishing up some bunch of demos, you know, Faster Pussycat.
New band called Drop the Star out of Seattle. The Bites.
New record from the Bites is really good, So keep
them busy.
Speaker 4: And soon to be act attribute to Ace Freeley. Ladies
and gentlemen, wait wait, wait is you what are you
doing next week? What's that?
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 5: Next week?
Speaker 4: I will be on the cruise to the Huge with
progue bands galore. They know all the notes and play
all of them and more.
Speaker 3: They play them all over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely no. It's super talented musicians on there.
And my saving grace is Queen's Reich. Dude.
Speaker 5: I saw yes, I saw it. I saw Yes at
Madison Square Garden in the round and it was test
it was I mean, seventy eight, seventy nine era.
Speaker 4: This out too, speaking of the prog world. We're going
to have this author on as soon as we get back.
This is fifty years of Rush in twenty twelve. It
is very well done.
Speaker 5: I saw I saw Rush at the Palladium in New York,
and I want to say it was farewell to the
King's tour. Wow. Yeah, so respect to Prague and and
that's super cool that there's a boat and that's doing that.
Speaker 3: I thanks for the invitation, is yeah. I used to.
I ran a prog label at Centry Media the inside
out level, so I have like that holds a dear
place in my heart.
Speaker 4: But well, I mean, the only thing that sucks about
the PROG cruise is I'm the hottest girl on the boat.
I was about to say that's not with the bands
or working. Let me get that by ladies and gentlemen.
Fucking Dell James. Check out the book and Sensual Violence.
Paul Gargano. I'm glad he's here because I saw pictures
of Robert Kardine passed away and the pictures looked exactly
like you look now, with the hair and the beard,
and you.
Speaker 3: Know, and actually the hair is the hair is scary long.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, well's gonna get shorts.
Speaker 3: Down down, but I've I've got it tied and him
not in the back to keep it out of my face.
Speaker 4: I'm so I'm so over it. I'm so over it.
And Dell, of course you're just you're just your head's
just shining.
Speaker 5: I was losing my shit after being ten years sober,
and that's how we commemorated it and donated my ponytail
to Locks of Love.
Speaker 4: So nice.
Speaker 5: Somebody got something out of you know, my hair.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 4: If you guys are coming to Vegas, hit up a
metal Blade Records Museum, metal blade dot com, slash museum.
You are getting married. Hit me up. I can do
that legally, have fucking Izzy Presley as you're officient, Paul.
It's actually I'm actually good at it. I'm good. I'm good.
So anyways, hold Ranald, thank you for coming back. Tell James,
thank you for finally coming on. My name is Izzy Presley.
Do not forget where all I can tell it I
make up four in the cock