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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Bobby Brown, and welcome to another fucking podcast.

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Speaker 2: Troy a sight, don't be a a oh man bab

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not once great champ now sunny and mopishness no longer

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the factory hungry still wait right? So many times people

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by a pathetic wash up age ax champion, All right.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: I think you know the guy, and I.

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Speaker 3: Think you know what, pretty dear?

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Speaker 1: WHOA?

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Speaker 5: His name is he?

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Speaker 1: Presley?

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Speaker 3: Press Presley?

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Speaker 6: What's my name?

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Speaker 5: Say my name, bitch?

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Speaker 2: My good friend?

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Speaker 5: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 3: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 4: Is Presley Couch?

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Speaker 5: Is he Presley? WHOA? That sounds a little weird?

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Speaker 3: Is he President?

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Speaker 2: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 4: Is he Presley? The heaviest, gurthiest rocky j around? Hey,

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this is Jeffer.

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Speaker 3: You listen to Izzy Presley.

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Speaker 4: Those aren't pillows? Hello, Las Vegas, Hello world, Hello, my

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loyal minions. It is good to see you. It's always

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good to be seeing I'm Mizzey Presley. I am the

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host of the program out here and beautiful Las Vegas.

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I'm sorry, fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada. I got a great

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show for you today. It is Friday, the twenty seventh

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of February and I'm recording two shows today. This show

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is going to come out today and it'll be on

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the Patreon, adfreepatreon dot com slash Realizzey Presley as all

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of these shows are at free and before everywhere else,

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usually earlier in the week and then it comes out

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on Friday. But today's Friday, and I have to do

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shoot two shows today and so this is going to

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go up in the Patreon this afternoon and it will

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be out for the world this evening with ads. So

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if you're listen listening to this and you get sick

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of the ads, head over to the Patreon, Patreon, dot com,

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slash realizy President. It's only five dollars a month. You

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get a lot of exclusive content shows nearly every single

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day just for the Patreon. It's good, it's fun. It's

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the Minion Dum. Come on and join us. It's a

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good time.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: Since the last time we talked, I drove to Minnesota.

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I did a show up there with acc attribute to

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Ace Freely, and we remember d Ace. We remember the

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Press Bar and Parlor, my old stomping grounds. I bartended there.

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I was a drunk there. I was on that stage

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many times. With a lot of friends. It's gone six years.

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Fire happened six years ago, and it's it's sad, man,

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it's a sad, sad thing, but it is what it is.

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We move on, we go forward, and now we just

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remember the good times and our good old friends up

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at the press bar and parlor. I drove which we

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is I got to bring back, make a little golden

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light and top the tater, you know, the important shit.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: It hit all the good places, like culvers, because we

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don't have culvers here in Las Vegas. First one I

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saw was flag Staff. Of course, I get, there's a

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fucking blizzard, so dumb, not a blizzard, a snowstorm.

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Speaker 4: It just set the fucking tone. But the culvers was amazing.

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Culvers is unbelievable. If you never had culvers, I mean,

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try culvers if you ever see one. And the next

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day I drove from Oklahoma to Minnesota and got stuck

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in a real blizzard. What took what's supposed to take

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three hours, you know, south of Des Moines to Clear Lake.

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It's fucking brutal, twenty five miles an hour. Oh, so dumb,

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just so dumb, But you know, I got there. It

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was frigid cold, had a nice little rehearsal in a

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in an unheated garage, all this to play two hours

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of kiss songs with my friends and it was goddamn

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worth it. It was so fun. So thank you to

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the red carpet, Thank you to my band members back home.

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The original act attribute to as Freeley el bergs from

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on bass, Macrotela on guitar, and the guest next week

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on this show Minnesota, Pete Campbell. Pete played with Pentagram

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for many years and now he's in a new project

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called Axe Dragger with the original singer from Pantera's it

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Blade Blaze something. I should have this stuff right in

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front of me, but I don't because you know, that

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would be too easy, and that would constitute doing research,

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crack myself up. And so Pie's gonna be on next

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week and it is called Axe Dragger. It's the same

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original Simper Pantera, the guitar player from Fu Manchu and

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the bass player from a death metal band in Sweden.

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And uh looking forward to that. So we're recording that today.

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ad free a week before everybody else gets it. So

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come on over to the patroon Patreon dot com slash

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real Izzy Presley. So today's show what you're getting today

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on Friday, the twenty seventh of February is an old friend.

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I've known him for about sixteen years. His name is

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Del James and Dell has been working with Guns N'

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Roses for I believe since the eighties. Pretty sure, since

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the eighties, since before the first record came out. I'm

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pretty sure. And we're gonna get into all that. But

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most importantly, Dell has a new book out called Consensual Violence,

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and it is a comic book form, but it's not

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a comic book. It's just is it's a book in

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the comic book form with the illustrated illustrated amazing. It's

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wrestling based and it's very cool. You guys will dig it.

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so you guys can buy it. And big news. So

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the Cruise at the Edge next week. So that's why

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gone Monday to Monday, and then we'll be back rolling

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again on Tuesday. Maybe I'll bust out a Patreon when

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I get home. We'll see why not. I mean, five

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dollars a month, you should get content, right, So Dawson

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and twenty twelve. So we're gonna have this author on.

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about this, very very well done, very cool. We're gonna

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have this cat on and then I will be getting

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Martin pop Off on for his new book Kiss nineteen

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and Kiss and what is going on in the world.

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So that's what's coming up. If you are coming to

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Las Vegas to get married, hit me up. I can

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do that and I'd be happy to do that. Is

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he Presley dot com. All the information is there, send

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me an email and uh, we'll do it and we'll

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work out the fees all that kind of because that

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still waiting on my new head. It is phenomenal, one

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bit if you are new to the show I did

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last year, and I recorded a bunch of them this

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year at the AVNS called Dating Tips from Porn Stars.

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So this is the first edition this year. We're gonna

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do about once a month. We'll squeeze two in because

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But this one is We're starting off this one off

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with a bang, no pun intended. Aubrey Kate. Aubrey is

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one of the biggest, arguably the biggest trans porn star

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in the business and dating tips from porn Stars. Hit

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up Aubrey Kate, check it out. It is another FN podcast.

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Oh my god, I forgot to tell you, ladies and

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gentlemen returning to the show before we get to Aubrey,

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my old co host, my old cohort because Dawson is

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gone until next week. Paul Gargano Hall of Famer inaugural

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Another FIN podcast, Hall of Famer, Paul Gargano, old ex

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co host of the show when we were doing the

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Metal Edged thing. Uh me myself, Paul and Dell James.

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It is another FING podcast.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back and now it's time for dating

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tips from porn stars.

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Speaker 4: All right, we're with Aubrey Kate. This is the very

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first twenty twenty six Dating Tips from porn Stars. First question,

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do you prefer a cheesy pickup line, a subtle joke,

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or a blunt, random high.

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Speaker 3: I think I have blunt random Hi, why sir, I

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Speaker 7: I just think like, if you're gonna come up to me,

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do something cheese need to get my attention very well.

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Speaker 4: Do you prefer a blurty, funny, a long game or

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Speaker 3: I don't really like small talk. So do you want

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to fuck?

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Speaker 7: Like? Being straight up, I'll either tell you yes or

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how love it?

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activity will kind of see how we like click together

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Speaker 4: Know, act, what's the best way to break the ice online?

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Speaker 7: You know that's really hard because I don't really I

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straight to the point, all.

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Speaker 4: It would be great for me perfect. If they want

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to find you online, where can they find you? Aubrey

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Speaker 7: I'll take you straight to my only fans by official

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Aubrey k Is my Instagram and Aubrey Kate Sure black

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with my awesome.

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Speaker 1: That was Dating Tips from porn Stars. Now back to

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another f and podcast with Izzie Presley.

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Speaker 4: All right, we are back on another FM podcast. That

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was Dating Tips of porn Stars, the first one of

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twenty twenty six with Aubrey Kid who probably has a

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nicer hog than me. Uh, Ladies and gentlemen, welcoming back

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to the show for the first time in years. He

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is a Hall of Famer for the first ballot, the

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first edition. Give it for Paul Gargano.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, Pally, Hey, I forgot about that. It's

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my first appearance, is becoming a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Mant have to officially rename it Hall of Shame.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's coming soon, Paul Garganto, another refing podcast, Hall

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of shame and ladies and gentlemen, joining us for the

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very first time a guy that I've known for about

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sixteen years, and ironically we got connected before I moved

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to Los Angeles by a personal friend of both of ours,

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Scottie Lee, and he just introduced me to a whole

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bunch of people on Facebook and I showed up. I

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was invited to the party. It was a UFC thing,

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and I met Dell and he's like, oh God, I

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thought you were one of those GNR freaks. Thank God

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Speaker 3: No kiss for it, no kiss freak, Yeah, right.

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Speaker 5: Right, that's totally fine by me.

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Speaker 3: You knows.

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Speaker 5: Then Lizzie fanatics, hockey fanatics, bring it.

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Speaker 4: Bring it, yeah for sure. And he has a brand,

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is a brand new book called Cossentual Violence, which is

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available now. There it is uh the Amazon link will

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be down in the uh down in Michue. Is just

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on Amazon or it's.

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Speaker 5: It's available in some brick and mortar stores. The Nobles

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are supposed to have it, but the easiest spot to

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find it is Amazon.

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Speaker 4: There you go, ladies and gentlemen, Dell James welcome.

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Speaker 5: I wore my I wore my hockey shirt just for you,

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is he?

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Speaker 4: That's right. I just noticed that. I mean I saw

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the Amazons and I just noticed the old school that

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that off Rangers logo.

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Speaker 5: I love it, the third Jersey Rangers logo. Tracks mash

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Up Hockey did this shirt, and yeah, it's pretty fucking rad.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome.

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Speaker 5: Were you all consumed in USA hockey? Were you just

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losing your little friggin' mind?

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Speaker 4: At five am, I was listening to it because I

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was driving back from Minnesota and I left Minnesota at

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seven am, so it was just at the start of

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the game, so I got to listen to the entire

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game and it was It was freaking exciting. It was great.

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Speaker 3: That was a great game. And I love the three

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on three, the three on three formats awesome. No, it's

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an overtime, I love it.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 4: This is the gold medal game five on five.

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Speaker 5: I'm kind of with Izzy on this one.

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Speaker 4: I think that you.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that you have to speed up the

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game or guarantee a winn or just just play.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, there isn't it.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that what they do? In NHL two they have indeed.

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Speaker 5: Changed to three on three afterwards and if there's no

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scoring then they go to the shootout. But uh, I

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remember double overtime games. Triple overtime games that I mean

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had some heavy duty hockey shit. Hey is watch this?

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Uh huh Eddie, Jockoman, Brad park Dale, Ralph, Steve Vickers,

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Vic Hatfield, and Rod Jilbert. Those are my New York Rangers.

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Speaker 4: Well, my Minnesota north Stars, Will Plett, Shane Turla, Basil McCrae,

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Neil Broughton, I mean Madonnald can't go wrong with Donald,

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I mean, Brian Bellows, Russ Courtnell, I can go on

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and on and on. Harry Taco.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm the lonely Whalers guy in Connecticut.

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Speaker 5: So did you ever get to see that hockey team,

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the minor league hockey team, the Trashers. Are you talking

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to me or I'm talking to you, Paul?

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Speaker 3: No, I did not. I did not. Where were they?

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Speaker 5: They were a minor league hockey team. There's a special

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on it on Netflix. Uh they were mob run. Basically,

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some sow some Tony's prano dude gifts his son a

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minor league hockey team, and because they've got deep pockets,

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they start buying NHL players and the the Trashers. The

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name was the Trashers because they were in the trash industry. This,

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this documentary is to die for. Both of you fellas

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need to see it. And I remember it being on Netflix.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna look that up.

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Speaker 3: I also look it up too. Is it called Thrashers?

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Is that in the name.

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Speaker 5: It's it's whatever their their sports documentary series is called.

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They did one on Christy Martin, the Lady Boxer. They

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did one on the Pacers Brawl, but I can't remember

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what the series is called it.

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Speaker 4: I always get a chuckle out of the basketball brawls.

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It's a lot of bitch slapping. There's no real fights

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and basketball.

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Speaker 5: Well, dude, if you're if your arms were four feet

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long too, you know.

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Speaker 3: There is Yep, it's on I don't know if it's

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still on Netflix. Untold it's untold Crimes and Penalties, Yes, it's.

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Speaker 5: It's it's basically true crime and sports mixed up with

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one another for these really great stories and the Trashers one.

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I mean, it's full on fucking sopranos hockey.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I love it. If you watched the new season

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of Shors yet, I don't even know what that is, Suresy.

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It's a it's it's on Hulu. It's a it's a

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hockey series. It's an offshoot of Letter Kenny and it's

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like no Show Northern Ontario Senior Hockey League stuff. It

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is fucking hilarious and it is awesome. You'll love it.

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You like old school hockey, You'll love it. You'll love it. Well, Dell,

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the reason you're here. Let's talk about the book. First,

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con sensual violence. You talked about in the end of

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the book. You kind of talk about where this came from,

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and it started out what is a love professional wrestling?

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From watching it with your dad?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm an old head. I was. I

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grew up in the seventies. Wrestling was totally protected. It

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was sold as real, even if you they may not be.

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And my father, my father was in Bautista's Cuban government

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that gets overthrown by Fidel Castro. He and my mom

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come to America in nineteen sixty with the clothes on

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their back.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 5: They are as immigrant of a story as you can have.

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They come, they become citizens and you know, pay taxes,

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do all their bit. And because there was a generational

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gap between my father. My father was an older fella

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and myself. He liked sports like tennis and soccer, and

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I'm an American kid, you know, surrounded by baseball, football, hockey, basketball,

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and we didn't see eye to eye. Couldn't understand football,

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you know, for football is barbaric sport. I'm like, yeah,

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that's the beauty of it, you know. But the one

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thing we could agree upon was professional wrestling. He took

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me to my first match in nineteen seventy five at

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the Westchester County Arena in White Plains, New York, to

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see Brunos and Martino defend the belt against Waldov on

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Eric and wrestling was the one language that we both

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spoke and both could appreciate.

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Speaker 4: We would watch.

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Speaker 5: We would watch NWA Wrestling from Los Angeles on UHF

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forty seven as well as whatever else may come on,

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and it was it was one of the few bonding

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experiences that we shared. Uh We both got into the storytelling.

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We both got into you know, the good versus evil

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aspects of professional wrestling, which is you know, so crucial

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to the storytelling. And you know, those wrestling events that

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my father took me to are are you know now,

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very cherished memories.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the best part about back then, I grew

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up on that in that era too, later seventies, but

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when you would go see things at the Hampden High

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School gymnasium, like you know, you went there because it

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wasn't on every it wasn't network television, and it wasn't

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all over social media. You went to those little Trumbull

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High School gym thinking it might be the time Andre

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the Giant gets beat, it might be the time Pedro

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Morales drops the belt because you had no idea, because

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it was there was this It was such a mystique back.

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Speaker 4: Then, right, I went my mom. So my mom worked

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at the the Ice Arena in Saint Cloud and that's

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where the AWA came and I remember I was very young.

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I remember seeing Andre. That was the one. That's the

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only thing I remember about that night. But they came

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in one night and there was a blizzard, so they

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were late getting in and I was in there with

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her very very early before they opened the doors. Are

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like eld RuSHA. They let me go into the ring

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and all that kind of shit, But the wrestlers were

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late showing up, so the show got delayed, but they

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brought out Heenan, Bobby Heenan and Greg Gania the good

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guy and the bad guy at the same time, which

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was fucking It just boggled my mind. But I hadn't

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Bobby Heenan autograph on my fucking popcorn box. I have

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no idea where the hell it is.

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Speaker 5: So who else was on the card because the AWA

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was powerful back then.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was the high flyers, Jim Berzel and

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and Greg Ganya. I think Heenan, God was he with?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Who the fuck was I I don't know, I was

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It was like fourth grade and it's I don't remember

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a lot from that time of my life.

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Speaker 5: I went to Madison Square Garden in nineteen seventy seven

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to see Superstar Billy Graham to defend the belt against

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Mill Moscaas, and what you were saying, Paul, is like,

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we totally believed we were going to go idle change

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that and had to be in the building, had to

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fucking see this for ourselves. And the match is called

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due to Superstar Grahams were bleeding too much, so it's

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a disqualification. Graham keeps the belt and then the following

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month is when he loses the belt to Bob Backland.

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Ohow yep got out Backland. Yeah, that guy could have

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went for fucking losing. I mean that guy, that fucking guy.

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Speaker 4: Is that the match where he lost to the Sheik?

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Speaker 3: That is honestly, I used to dude. I swam growing

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up and the swim team and his daughter swam and

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became just kind of passing friendly with him, and it

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was it's just an autograph picture. It's an autograph picture

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because that was a huge because nobody cared about him

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as a wrestler. This was after he was done wrestling.

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This is when I was in high school, so nobody

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cared about him as a wrestler. He was just this

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chick's dad, you know, you know what I mean. It

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was like, And that was before the WWF made an

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even bigger laughing stock out of him, but it was

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that was just it's autographed on the back.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: He he gets unfair harsh treatment because he was the

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chosen one by Vince Senior. Everybody all of New York

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was in love with Superstar Graham, Superstar Gram. Without Superstar Graham,

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there's no Chail shown in there, There's no MJF. All

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these guys took something out of Superstar Graham's book, and

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Superstar Graham took stuff out of Muhammad Ali's promosh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you are.

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Speaker 5: Captivated, You're enthralled by this, this great talking, muscular blonde Adonis.

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And then the next guy in line is howdy fucking duty?

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Speaker 3: You know he did.

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Speaker 4: Back the chance. No, let me ask you this when

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when Hogan came in, obviously he became the incredible Hulk

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Hogan in Awa, That's where that whole character was developed.

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What did you guys know about did you know anything

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about him? When he came in the second time and

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beat the Shekh.

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Speaker 5: History has a great way of a race and what

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happened before it, so that Hogan had had a run

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already with Fred Blassie as his manager, and he lost

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to Andre the Giant at Shea Stadium, and you know

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came in and you know did his run, loses to

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Bruno San Martino and then disappears, as did everyone else,

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as did Louiser Brodi, Stan Hansen, Baron von Rashka. Whoever

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the villain of the moment was, whoever the flavor of

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the two month or three month run that includes you know,

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shows in Philadelphia, shows in Boston, shows in Connecticut, showsen.

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Speaker 3: And then everywhere in between. It's like it's it was

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like concert touring because they would connect the dots between

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the big cities with the Trumbull High School gym.

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Speaker 5: It was absolutely concert touring. And you know, these guys

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worked six nights a week, if not seven, uh, sometimes

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twice on Sundays. And you know, we can never go

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back to that. Now we're killed. And you don't have

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to wait till midnight to catch WWWF on channel nine

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w R in New York.

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Speaker 3: You know, in black and white with the snowy reception,

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and you got to hitting the side of the TV that.

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Speaker 5: Was wiggling the rabbit ears trying to think yeah.

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Speaker 3: And my grandmother would go crazy every time I even

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Putski came on because she was Polish and that was that.

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She's the one that got me into it, because she

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loved it. And every time my parents would go out,

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my grandmother would babysit and she'd let me stay up

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and watch wrestling with her, and she would tell me

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who was bad, who was good, and she loved Ivan Putski.

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Speaker 5: Everybody loved I have Polish power. Yeah, I mean all

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that dude had to do was come to the ring,

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raise his fist, yell polish power, and he had Madison

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Square Garden.

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Speaker 3: In the hands right right with his great finishing moves,

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the polish hammer hammer.

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Speaker 5: And here's here's a fun fact. The guy who who

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basically trained Bruiser Brody in professional wrestling is Ivan Putski.

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00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,319
Speaker 3: Oh wow. And Bruises Bruis is your all time favorite, right.

471
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 5: Bruiser Brody is my number one, my my, my Elvis Presley. Uh,

472
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,839
there is none more believable of a brawler, of a

473
00:27:53,039 --> 00:28:00,200
wild man, of a riot and inducing ensuing. Either Babyfait's

474
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,359
purvillain didn't matter. Bruiser Brody was the real fucking deal.

475
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:10,079
And Bruiser Brody gets murdered in a dressing room and

476
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,519
buy him on Puerto Rico by Jose Gonzalez, who wrestled

477
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:15,720
as Invader Number one.

478
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:16,599
Speaker 4: There.

479
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 5: It was the very first episode of Dark Side of

480
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,920
the Ring. The story Dark Side of the Ring, you know, fantastic,

481
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:26,039
fantastic good.

482
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 3: So I literally just wrote a note to bring that up,

483
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,359
and then you brought it up. So I literally just

484
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,880
scribbled while you were talking D.

485
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 2: S O t R.

486
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,519
Speaker 3: To make sure it got brought off because that.

487
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 5: And I mean bro Brody versus Antonio and OK Brody

488
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:45,359
versus Abdullah the Butcher. Yeah, Legendary Brody and handsome tag

489
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,000
team in Japan, you know, the something else. And there

490
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:55,880
there was talks, There was you know, whispers that WrestleMania

491
00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:59,680
two could be Bruiser Brody versus Hulk Cogan, and that

492
00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:04,960
net came to be never got past the preliminary talking stages.

493
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,440
But those seeds were being planted, and that would have

494
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,799
been super cool shit.

495
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it would have been a lot better than

496
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,319
what WrestleMania two ended up being.

497
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 5: Boy, Yeah, the one in Chicago was a total dud.

498
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 4: Absolutely, so when you decided, so when you decided to

499
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:29,400
start writing this book, obviously the wrestling was there. Where

500
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,400
where did the story come from? Where did where did

501
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:32,960
this all begin?

502
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 5: So basically, Consensual Violence is an unproduced movie script. So

503
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,720
I wrote it as a film, and the inspiration was

504
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,039
watching an El Santo Blue Demon film. I have several

505
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,160
of them in my Blu ray stack, but I can't

506
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,720
remember which one I was watching. And there was something

507
00:29:53,000 --> 00:30:01,359
so endearing about men wearing shiny, glittery masks and capes

508
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:06,240
out in public, you know, going to the restaurant, but

509
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,920
keeping their masks on and shit like that. That that

510
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,880
that that brain cell that often gets me in trouble,

511
00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:22,680
was like, how can you do something similar? And that's

512
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:28,759
where the foundation, that's where the very beginning of consensual

513
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,559
violence started to take place. I wanted to create something

514
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:40,279
where you have real life people without superpowers, but somehow

515
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:44,759
in their costumes, having to fight for their lives. And

516
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,839
you know, hopefully I pulled it off well enough that

517
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:49,759
people dig it.

518
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,519
Speaker 4: And what a better way to do it than with

519
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,559
professional wrestling.

520
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,559
Speaker 5: It's the only real way. I mean, you may be

521
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,240
able to do a start. Nah, it's the only one.

522
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:04,279
I mean, it's so ingrained in our psyche. You know,

523
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,680
there are lucha doors. They wear masks.

524
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: I you know well and you I like the fact,

525
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:13,400
you know, all three of us are obviously wrestling fans.

526
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,839
I like the fact that you brought it, you brought

527
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,480
it to Mexico with the LUCHADORI is because there's a

528
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,480
mystique there that we don't have now wrestling theatrics in America.

529
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,519
I mean right now they think people think of Netflix

530
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,279
and you know, who's got what TV? Who has the contract,

531
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:30,960
you bring it back to Mexico where it's so real

532
00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:34,160
and people are masked and they're hidden in the part

533
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,200
where that she takes they put their masks on. They

534
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,480
take the picture with the police and the book, and

535
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:42,079
it's like, it's that mystique is back, and Mexico allows

536
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:44,000
you to take it back to that mystique we had

537
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:46,759
back in the seventies and early eighties, which I thought

538
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,119
was really, like I said off camera, I started reading

539
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,799
it is he sent it to me. I started reading

540
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:54,440
it and I didn't stop. I went through the whole

541
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,359
thing and it was it was I was like it

542
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,759
was a page turner on the computer.

543
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:01,759
Speaker 5: Thank you very much. I totally appreciate that. Yeah, no,

544
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,519
it could only it could only make sense in Mexico.

545
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,279
It would because Lucha Libre is so ingrained in as

546
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:14,759
part of their culture, because there are generational fans and

547
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,839
generational Luca doors. It's part of their societal fabric. And

548
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:26,799
you know, you wouldn't have the same situation where the

549
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,000
cops pull over the characters and say put your masks on.

550
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:34,640
You know, it would ever happen in America, But it's

551
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,640
totally believable in Juarez.

552
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, where did the idea to have it animated like

553
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,519
a like a comic book come from?

554
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 5: So okay, So it's this script that's sitting on my

555
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:51,920
desktop doing nothing but collecting dust. And my friends Jeremy,

556
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,000
my friend Jeremy Wagner, who is the CEO of Dead

557
00:32:55,079 --> 00:33:00,359
Sky Publishing, was talking to me about possibly doing some writing.

558
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,400
He's a fan of the language of fear. My collection

559
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:08,079
is short horror, and I was like, I have some

560
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:10,279
I have some stuff written, and I think it would be,

561
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:14,680
you know, a pretty cool graphic novel. So Jeremy introduces

562
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:19,240
me to Steve Wands. There s f O over at

563
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:22,079
Dead Sky. Steve is my comic book since Steve is

564
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:25,000
the guy who put me together with the artist, with

565
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:27,960
the colorist, with everything. He's the guy who you know,

566
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:33,480
he's he's the coach of the team. And they taught

567
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:36,920
me how to do a comic book script. They taught

568
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,440
me the beats, the format. You know. It took a

569
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:43,759
couple passes to get it right. Nothing's ever a first draft,

570
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:48,839
you know, but eventually it got to a place where

571
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,119
it was presentable and made sense. And and then and

572
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,720
then the secret weapons are Junas Husicni the artist of

573
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,319
consensual violence. Man, he he makes me seem so much

574
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,480
better than I really am. Okay, his artwork is fucking spectacular.

575
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,000
And every little change, every little detail, you know, when

576
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:11,079
when you look at like the Easter eggs, like when

577
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,719
the ladies are at the wrestling ticket booth and there's

578
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:20,199
gimmicks and there there's wrestling masks for sale, all of

579
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,000
all of the colors are accurate. There there that is

580
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:26,639
a tiger mask. That is a Juician Thunderliger mask, that

581
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,239
is a mill Moscatas mask, you know, and the colors

582
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,719
are right. So he every little detail, My man fucking

583
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,320
knocked it out. And then the colorist is a lady

584
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:43,480
named Julia Brusco. And Julia has a very extensive resume

585
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,880
and and we were very fortunate to get her, and

586
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,559
she captured the tone perfectly. It's got a certain grit,

587
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,519
a certain grind that you know, if this book was

588
00:34:56,559 --> 00:35:00,639
all bright and shiny, yeah, it doesn't have this same effect.

589
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,880
It's when it was written as a script. It's written

590
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,760
as an exploitation film. It's borrowing from kill Bill, it's

591
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,239
borrowing from thriller, a cruel picture. And I spit on

592
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,840
your grave and revenge, grape revenge. You know, something horrible

593
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:19,519
happens to our protagonist, and then we root for them

594
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,079
to get their fucking come up and to get their revenge.

595
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,559
And I just said it in the world of Mexican

596
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:28,159
wrestling and Luca Libine.

597
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: The What was the difference for you? Because you have

598
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,599
written a lot, How hard was it making that jump

599
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,159
into because the pictures tell so much of the story,

600
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,679
and it gives the words even more weight at that point.

601
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,320
And that's one of the things I was thinking as

602
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,159
I was reading through. There's so many panels without even text.

603
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,920
How hard was it making that jump from what you

604
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:54,960
had as a script, from all the writing you've done

605
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,719
into writing for a for a graphic novel.

606
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 5: It it was awkward at first, but once you start realizing,

607
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,119
you know, you've got to be economical with your panels,

608
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:12,880
and certain pages can have more images, but if it's

609
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,760
a long exposition page, if there's a lot of dialogue,

610
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,519
you need to leave room for the balloon captions. So

611
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:27,480
you screenwriting screenwriting, you know, you don't tell the director

612
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,079
how to direct, but you learn how to write in

613
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:33,440
a manner so they'll see what you want. Yeah, a

614
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:36,920
lot of that was also done in this script, and

615
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,639
truth be told, there's a you know, there's three wrestling matches.

616
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:48,199
There's the minis, the little people, the midget wrestling, there's

617
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,760
the men's wrestling, and then there's the ladies match, which

618
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,280
is the main event. A men's match once had dialogue

619
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:59,159
and announcing and all that kind of stuff, And between

620
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,679
Steve Wan and the letterer, Mikey Fiorantino, they were like,

621
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,800
you don't need anything, Harry, we get it. You know,

622
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,000
all we want to do is seeds characters who we've

623
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:13,119
already already seen in the beginning of the book and

624
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:16,239
who also play a part of why shit happens later on.

625
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:20,920
So they pulled the dialogue and the pages benefited from it.

626
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 2: You know.

627
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 4: One thing I did like too, is like when they're

628
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,800
setting up the match, you know, you get that behind

629
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,239
the scenes dialogue, Okay, what are we going to do tonight?

630
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,880
How are we going to do this tonight? And you know,

631
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,800
it's like part of that k fabe of wrestling. You

632
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,280
almost don't want to hear that shit, but it's cool

633
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,239
that you have it in there.

634
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 5: It makes it seems more realistic. And I've asked buddies

635
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:49,519
the people who've been in dressing rooms and locker rooms

636
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:53,159
before matches. Does it resonate? Does it ring true? And

637
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,719
everybody's been you know, Yeah, you've got the lingo, You've

638
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,440
got the language. Boom boom boom e o m is

639
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:06,079
indeed a word in Spanish in Mexico which is basically

640
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:07,719
bang bang bang so bo.

641
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 4: That's good.

642
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: Did you where did the characters come from? Did you

643
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,159
have these characters in mind?

644
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 5: All?

645
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,039
Speaker 3: I'm surprised there haven't been wrestling characters like this before,

646
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:21,360
Like the two women.

647
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:27,679
Speaker 5: You know, they're definitely influenced by by certain characters. By

648
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,519
the sassy Latina can be traced to kind of Sasha

649
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:40,239
Bangs or Mercedes Mona she's known now, Yeah, the Fish

650
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,719
out of Water, White Girl, Kristin Moore La view of

651
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,880
the Vampira or the view that the Frankenstein is is,

652
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,679
you know, the the Wendy Richter of it, you know.

653
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 4: The holy Wendy Richter reference.

654
00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: Wow.

655
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 5: And you know it's easy to cast these if ever

656
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:06,480
was to be made.

657
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,039
Speaker 4: Into a movie, you know, do you well, let me

658
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:11,920
ask you this, do you think that now that you

659
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:14,400
have this out, that maybe it could be the vehicle

660
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,079
to take the script to the next level.

661
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:20,519
Speaker 5: That would be a Grand Slam, that would be you know,

662
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,599
winning a Texas Death Match. That would be a dream true.

663
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,239
And you know they're basically storyboards.

664
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:31,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

665
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 5: So I'm very proud of the graphic novel, you know,

666
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:43,119
I'm very proud of that accomplishment. I was fortunate that

667
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:46,800
this piece of writing that I did, that that was

668
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,800
going nowhere, went somewhere, you know, and just by sticking,

669
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,119
you know, by believing in it, and you know, having

670
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,000
good people also believe in.

671
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:02,559
Speaker 3: It, right, right, Have you given any thought to taking

672
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:05,000
some of your prior writing, like maybe some of the

673
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:08,039
stuff from Language of Fear or any other writing you've done,

674
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:12,960
in converting it following the footsteps into graphic novel.

675
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 5: With that, there's always the possibility, you know that, There's

676
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,960
always that possibility. But I have a lot of unread,

677
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:28,920
unproduced scripts that will make four great graphic novels, okay.

678
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,199
And we are in the process of working on my

679
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,679
second one now, which is called it's called No Saints

680
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,639
in Me and Mar And if consensual violence was my

681
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,719
feminist statement, no Saints in Me and Mar is my

682
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:50,920
chivalry Ain't dead statement. Trux of The plot is a

683
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:55,719
call girl, a high priced escort, is summoned to a

684
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,559
hotel to you know, do a trick with a mobster.

685
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:06,239
She's taken there by a security expert a bodyguard, and

686
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:11,440
the mobster does too much blow and too many viagras,

687
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,719
has a heart attack and dies. So the escort goes

688
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,360
to the bodyguard. Help me, help me, help me. That

689
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:22,280
bodyguard has a choice to make. Do I take her

690
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,039
turn her in well she where she will be executed,

691
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:27,440
or do I help her get out of me? And more,

692
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,320
knowing that all the triad is going to be after

693
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,159
us chivalrient dead, of course he's going to help her.

694
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,440
And it is my if if consensual violence is my

695
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:43,480
homage to Santo movies or Blue Demon movies or Lucha

696
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:48,239
Libre movies. This is definitely influenced by the films of

697
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:54,440
Sam peckinpah Uh, gritty grimy, you know, men doing men's

698
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,719
shit at big shotgun blasts.

699
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 3: Very nice nice. Is there a timeline for that one

700
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:02,559
yet or not yet?

701
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 5: It's in production right now, it's being drawn as we speak.

702
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,039
A fellow named Dolly Bartelegic from Croatia is the artist,

703
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,760
and Dolly Bar has done a lot of Deadpool, He's

704
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,199
done some Punisher, He's done some really grimy graphic novels.

705
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,760
And you know, I've posted a little here and there

706
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,039
on like Instagram, as has he and and some of

707
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:30,599
these images are just fucking slamming.

708
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: He.

709
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,199
Speaker 5: I'm so fortunate to have someone so talented working on

710
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,320
No Saints in me and mar What what's.

711
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 3: The what's the time? Like? What's the process?

712
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:40,519
Speaker 5: Like?

713
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:44,079
Speaker 3: Do you start with do you do you hand something

714
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,679
to the artists? Like do you hand you obviously you

715
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,440
can't have the words until the images are made, right

716
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:51,400
or do you have the words and then the artist

717
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,280
strings them together?

718
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 5: You're you're correct the second time? Okay, the script exists

719
00:42:56,599 --> 00:43:01,519
and then the artist starts envisioning it and you see

720
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:06,719
preliminary sketches, you see thumbnails, you see you know, panels

721
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,159
without much detail so that the movement, the action is

722
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,239
concurate and correct, and then from there it goes to

723
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,920
pencils and inks. Then the artist might be done there

724
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:23,000
and the colorist comes in and the whole thing. It

725
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:28,239
can take a very long time, but Consensual Violence took

726
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,559
about a year. While hoping we're hoping to have No

727
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,960
Saints out before the end of this year. I want

728
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,840
to capitalize on as much momentum as possible. So if

729
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,599
consensual violence is on people's radar right now, who's to

730
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,079
sit that in eighteen months, it's still wild, you know

731
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:52,840
what I mean? So Dead Sky Publishing and myself are

732
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,840
working on a few books and putting the wheels in

733
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,119
motion to just keep slamming people with you know, I

734
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,360
mean violent tales.

735
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 4: I love this. So I want to dive into your

736
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,920
backstory a little bit. How old were you when you

737
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:10,199
moved to Los Angeles.

738
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 5: I was a whopping twenty one years old when I

739
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:19,039
moved to Los Angeles, which is over forty fucking years ago.

740
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: So much a few years ago?

741
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 4: Yeah?

742
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 5: What?

743
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 4: So that would have been what eighty five did? Were

744
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,119
you in the music industry at all before you went

745
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:30,519
out there.

746
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 5: I was not a professional by any means. I was

747
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:39,639
just a huge uber rock fan, and it that Los

748
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,559
Angeles was happening as much as it was happening at

749
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,840
that particular time was the shiny lure in the water.

750
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,480
I hitched my wagon to a friend of mine who

751
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:54,679
I had been in a garage band with a fella

752
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,000
named Randy Piawar who was moving out to go to

753
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:07,360
GI to Guitar Institute, and I seized the moment. I'm

754
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,519
going with you, you know.

755
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And.

756
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 5: I didn't know exactly what my course was. I wanted

757
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,639
to be a singer, but I'm a terrible singer. Not

758
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,199
that devil stopped me.

759
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 3: That hasn't stopped anybody, so I shouldn't stop you.

760
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 5: And I had big dreams and aspirations of being David

761
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,280
Lee Roth, of being Bottle Scott, you know. And as

762
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,800
fate would have it, the first people who I meet

763
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:43,480
on my first weekend in town apartment shopping is West Arkeene.

764
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:49,679
I bump into this fella who is the embodiment of

765
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,960
Jeff Spacoli, meets Joe Walsh and he's holding a bottle

766
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:57,000
of tequila, and we become friends in the fucking hallway

767
00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:00,239
and then wind up partying for the next seventy two

768
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:06,000
hours non stop. We're there for three days, and living

769
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:10,800
next door to Wesley was Duff McKagan. Okay, cashing on

770
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:16,400
Wesley's floor is actual rose. So these guys, these these

771
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:20,679
these rock and roll animals become my introduction to Hollywood.

772
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,159
And once once you get a little taste of it,

773
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:31,079
it's really addictive, it's really exciting. And so these guys

774
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,039
are in a band called Guns n' Roses, guns n' Roses,

775
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:37,920
and in the back of my head, I'm like, man,

776
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,079
if you're half as cool as your name, you're gonna

777
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:43,400
be pretty fucking cool. But I haven't seen them perform

778
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,840
yet that they're they're talking and living it and everything

779
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,440
is gunge and roses, guns and Roses, and and you

780
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:52,199
get kind of caught up in this Guns n' Roses whirlwind.

781
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,760
So I went to see them perform on a Thursday

782
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:02,960
night at the Troubadoor, and there's sixty of us, there's

783
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:05,920
fifty of us. It's not the guns n' Roses that

784
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:10,480
people equate with super stardom. Now, it's the who gives

785
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:15,599
a fuck guns n' Roses. But also at the same time,

786
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:19,199
you got to remember La guns Faster pussy Cat. There's

787
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:25,639
a scene that's happening, and you kind of chose your gang.

788
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,320
And those who were in on Guns n' Roses early

789
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:35,239
saw something that no one else had saw, some fucking

790
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:41,280
chemistry and danger and decadence and talent that was unlike

791
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,760
what a club band does. This is meant to be

792
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,280
much bigger. You know, somehow, some way, forty years later,

793
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,280
here I still am part of the Guns n' Roses

794
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,639
organization and family.

795
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 4: How how did that actually start? How did your business

796
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:03,679
connection with them start? Or working for them on the.

797
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,199
Speaker 5: I get sober May thirteenth, nineteen ninety two, and that's

798
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,199
the same time as the Guns n' Roses Metallica tour. Okay,

799
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:21,920
So management was bringing me out to be a documentarian,

800
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:29,039
to work with a documentary crew to see how it's run.

801
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:35,480
And you know, I was given a fantastic incentive by

802
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,800
the then manager who was like, as long as you

803
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,400
stay clean and sober, you will always have a job.

804
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,400
So I was given small tasks at first, be an

805
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,079
assistant to this guy, help with the documentary, be the

806
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:53,280
interviewer for the document the unreleased documentary movie. Okay. And

807
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,559
you know, every time I was handed the ball, I

808
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,679
didn't fumble. I may not have gotten very far, but

809
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,880
at least I didn't fumble. Right. That led to more

810
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,480
opportununities and more opportunities. So and and here we are

811
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,079
today where I'm still part of, you know, the the

812
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:12,159
touring management.

813
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 4: So last question on this, we have so much stuff.

814
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,760
We still have to get it a kiss, and he's

815
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,719
Friel and all this stuff. What you do, of course

816
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,920
we do so. But so you were there in Toronto

817
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:26,079
that night. What do you remember about that night?

818
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 5: I was there in Montreal. If you're referring to.

819
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 4: Them Montreal, Montreal, morey holders.

820
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 5: My mouth says words incorrectly all the time. I had

821
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:47,800
to say, uh so, a little backstory. Prior to that

822
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:51,159
show in Montreal, there had been some shows that had

823
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:55,760
been canceled because Axel was having throat issues. They had

824
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,719
to be canceled. He had no voice, so he goes

825
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,280
and sees doctors. He he does what he's told, and

826
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:06,760
then Montreal is the first gig. That same night. Someone

827
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,360
moved the monitors. This is before in ear monitors, right,

828
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,679
this is wedges on the floor and shit like that.

829
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,159
Someone moved the monitors, which arguably is why James Hetfield

830
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:24,119
caught fire while he stood in the wrong spot. And

831
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,199
I was horrific. That was fucking horrifying.

832
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

833
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 5: Then Guns n' Roses come on and I'm in the audience.

834
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,800
I'm you know, I'm at front house. I'm in the

835
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,599
barricade where the photographers are. And when I tell you

836
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:45,360
it was like Twilight Zone. The sound was insane, the

837
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:51,119
sound was it was all askew. It made no fucking

838
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,920
sense why this was happening. So eventually the band walked off.

839
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,280
They tried to play for about forty forty five minutes

840
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:00,760
and they were like, yo, I'll come back on this.

841
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:11,199
Shit's right, And Montreal exploded. The stadium went fucking batshit,

842
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:19,599
and uh, you know, everybody kind of took shelter in

843
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:23,400
the dressing rooms. And I remember when we were leaving

844
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,360
to go back to the MGM, which was the plane

845
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,480
we were chartering to go home, and this fucking horrific

846
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:33,519
riot had just gone down. We had to wear hard

847
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:37,320
hats and keep our heads down because we were concerned

848
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,960
about you know, upset fans throwing bricks at us, right right.

849
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:44,039
Speaker 4: Well, it's just weird to hear this side of it

850
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,400
because we've never heard that side of the story about

851
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,360
the monitors not being in the right spot.

852
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:56,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, there's much like every story has a backstory,

853
00:51:56,679 --> 00:52:02,159
and you know, it was fucked up, and it wasn't

854
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,880
for a lack of effort. You know, it wasn't that

855
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:10,199
that someone just decided, hey, I don't want to play

856
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,880
to night. No, there were reasons, and every attempt to

857
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:19,920
get shit right just just seemed to make matters worse. So, yeah,

858
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,679
there were a lot of factors, and I hope I'm

859
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,920
doing the story justice and being as accurate as can be,

860
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,159
But there was a lot of shit that went down

861
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,880
that night, and monitor placement has a lot of do

862
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:36,199
with it.

863
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 3: This was also this was also pre Internet and for

864
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,880
all the for all the criticisms that could be made

865
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,039
of everybody knowing everything now because it's the Internet, and

866
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:48,960
even if they're wrong, they still have an opinion. The

867
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:50,880
fact of the matter was back then it wasn't as

868
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,039
easy to get the story out there. It was just

869
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:55,320
there was a there was a villain, and that was it,

870
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:56,719
and that's the way it was portrayed.

871
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I mean you speak about the end of

872
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,119
in the past week, you know, phil Anselmo had some

873
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:10,639
false stories floating around that had people concerned. We live

874
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:17,840
we we we can't handle these fucking things. We have

875
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:25,639
become reliant upon them. So directions are no longer you know, mappable.

876
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,239
They have to be spoken to you by by serious

877
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:35,239
some Yeah, and the ability to spread false information is

878
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:42,679
staggering for for for clickbait and for political reasons. You know,

879
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,119
you fucking talk enough shit about your opponent enough and

880
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,880
it reaches enough people who are susceptible to believe in it,

881
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,880
and it works. You know, disinformation is a reality and

882
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:56,679
we are living in that age.

883
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 4: Well look, I mean this, what we're doing right now

884
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,840
is a perfect example. I jokingly named the show another

885
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:08,000
fucking podcast in twenty thirteen. Not everybody had a podcast.

886
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,719
Now everybody does have a podcast, and there's a lot

887
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,039
of shit that's just out there for clickbait and goes

888
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:15,679
right back to exactly what you said.

889
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:18,519
Speaker 6: I did like.

890
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: I did like just taking it back to the to

891
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:24,280
the novel for a moment. I did like the part

892
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,679
in there where the girls were talking about their image,

893
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,599
and she was talking about her image, and they were

894
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:31,599
talking about the way some female wrestlers because I know

895
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,480
some of this is right out of current events, it

896
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:36,599
seemed because it was they were talking about how people

897
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,119
treat some of the female wrestlers.

898
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there's what Paul's referring to. Is there's a

899
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,559
little segment where they talk about the ugliness of the internet,

900
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:55,840
the super fanboys who spew hate online, and that's an

901
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:03,400
unfortunate reality, and female wrestlers experience a lot of misogynistic,

902
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,920
ugly comments that you know that somebody wouldn't say to

903
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:12,559
someone else face to face, but brought up fucking cowards.

904
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,519
But then you know, be keyboard warriors and whatnot.

905
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,079
Speaker 3: All right, are you friends with any female wrestlers? Did

906
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,639
you have any like quote unquote consultants in that regard?

907
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 5: No? No, no, I'm just a fan and a respectful fan.

908
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 4: You know, I appreciate it.

909
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:34,039
Speaker 5: Like NXT has a lady wrestler named Saul Ruka and

910
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:40,519
she's fantastic. Uh, she's destined for the main roster. I

911
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:44,239
really like Techla in a e W when she does

912
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:49,239
the Exorcist spider walk. Fuck me, that is so good.

913
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep. All right, she's still she's still ad

914
00:55:58,119 --> 00:55:59,000
did she leave ADW?

915
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 5: Tela is AW and she I believe is their current

916
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:05,119
Worlds Women's Worlds Champion.

917
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 3: That's not who I was thinking of. I was thinking

918
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,519
of the the.

919
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: One.

920
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 3: There was another one that did the spider walk and

921
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:18,239
Abdon was that her name? Abdon Abdon? She's not She's

922
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:19,280
not aw anymore.

923
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 6: No, she had a great gimmick though she was she

924
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:25,880
was like black metal, you know, yeah, and you know,

925
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,440
as you both know, I am a big fan of

926
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:29,800
black fucking Medal.

927
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw.

928
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:36,639
Speaker 5: I saw a Venom Slayer Exodus at Studio fifty four

929
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,440
in nineteen eighty five. I've been to countless Wattain shows,

930
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:47,000
countless Slayer shows, countless Behemoth shows, as well as like

931
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,639
some some grimy, underground black metal shows where take your

932
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,960
life into your own hand, and that's part of its charm,

933
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:57,599
that's part of its appeal. It's not far.

934
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 4: Have you been to the Metal Blade Museum out here

935
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:01,760
in Vegas yet.

936
00:57:01,639 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 5: Dell love the Metal Blade Museum, you know, all the

937
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:12,000
old Merciful Fate stuff, and obviously it's I cannot recommend

938
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:16,800
visiting the Metal Blade Museum in Las Vegas any higher.

939
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fucking great. And in the words of our

940
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:28,400
mutual friend, dude, can we just talk about kiss del

941
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,119
how did your kiss story start?

942
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:36,199
Speaker 5: Shit? I want to say, in fifth grade, I buy

943
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,199
my first record with my first with my own money,

944
00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:44,719
and that's Kiss Alive, and that becomes the gateway to

945
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,320
Black Sabbath and led Zeppelin, and that they become the

946
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,079
gateway to Judas Priest and the Scorpions and Iron Maiden,

947
00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:58,239
et cetera, et cetera. Kiss Were They Walked on Water,

948
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:03,119
Kiss Were God, and Ace Freely in particular was my

949
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:08,159
favorite God. The first show I was supposed to attend

950
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:12,119
was nineteen seventy seven Kiss at Madison Square Garden, but

951
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,679
I had like pneumonia or something, and my mom wouldn't

952
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,679
let me go. And for years I was resentful that

953
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:25,719
I missed out on Kiss, because between seventy seven and

954
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:32,119
their next come around, Dynasty comes out, it loses me entirely.

955
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:40,079
I've gone from Kiss army, loving, supporting, Kiss Meets the

956
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:46,280
Phantom and all that stuff to kisses for kids, Kisses

957
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:52,719
for someone else. I've moved on to Black Sabbath only

958
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,159
only for years later. You know, Creatures of the Night

959
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,440
kind of got me back. And of course the reunion

960
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:08,360
tour was very important to me. Uh so Kiss were

961
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,280
and are today very important to me.

962
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 3: Did you see did you ever see Kiss in makeup

963
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:19,519
before the reunion or was that your only shot?

964
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,639
Speaker 5: The first time I saw Kiss was on the Lick

965
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:27,280
It Up Tour at the Nassau Coliseum with Queen's Rake

966
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:28,679
as their opener. Wow.

967
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 3: Nice, So.

968
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 5: I was the first person to interview or as one

969
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,519
of the first people to interview Kiss in their makeup.

970
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:43,599
But it's not what you think.

971
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 4: It's not.

972
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 5: For the Reunion tour in nineteen ninety, Kiss did a

973
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:54,079
music video for to a Rise to It, and the

974
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:59,119
beginning and the end of the video is Kiss applying

975
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:04,880
their makeup, talking about you know, we can never take

976
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,840
this off. All we can take this, we can never

977
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,159
take this off. Well, we can take this off. Then

978
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:12,159
they performed the song Bruce Koolick and Eric Carr and

979
01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:15,119
the band, and then at the end of it is

980
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,920
them is Paul and Jean and full Kiss makeup. And

981
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:25,000
this is a come to Jesus moment, but not like

982
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:29,440
in the traditional sense. This is this is scene. This

983
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:33,719
is seeing a fucking miracle for me, right, And I'm

984
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,599
fortunate enough to be the person who has chosen to

985
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:43,880
cover and interview Kiss for RIP magazine. So so so

986
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,960
on the video shoot, people are coming in Pepe poking

987
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,559
their heads and and one of the people who also

988
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:56,880
was like nerding out over like Kiss wardrobe and Jean's

989
01:00:57,039 --> 01:01:01,920
boots with Steven Adler. Steven snuck in as well, and

990
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:06,000
like we're like children, right, We're Oh my.

991
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,679
Speaker 4: God, look at this belt, it's got studs on it.

992
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 5: Oh my god, look at these boats, it's got the

993
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:16,920
dragon teeth. It was phenomenal in you know, the true

994
01:01:17,519 --> 01:01:19,239
geekiest sense of the word.

995
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,239
Speaker 4: And and you know, did you have the whole kiss

996
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,199
tard thing in the back of your head going well, okay,

997
01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:28,960
this this costume that that's from a different era.

998
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:34,159
Speaker 5: And yeah, no, I was taking mental notes, but I wasn't.

999
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:37,000
I was a guest that I was trespassing, So I.

1000
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:43,679
Speaker 4: Was just yeah, how, I mean, how was that the interview?

1001
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:46,719
I mean, what was that? Because are you sitting there

1002
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,840
with them in full makeup doing the interview?

1003
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:56,639
Speaker 5: No, they're they're not. But I saw the Shoot, they're professionals,

1004
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,199
you know, I know how to answer every question the

1005
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,960
way they want to answer the question to get a

1006
01:02:03,199 --> 01:02:09,039
point to cross. So you know, there there's no new revelations,

1007
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:12,519
and I'm egging them on, like sure you don't want

1008
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:15,039
to put the makeup on? Well you never say Neverdell,

1009
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:20,000
but you know, yeah, yeah, and lo and behold. Eventually

1010
01:02:20,119 --> 01:02:22,920
they came to their senses and gave the people what

1011
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:28,679
they truly want, as good as some of the non

1012
01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:31,519
makeup music is, and some of it's really fucking good.

1013
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,679
Everybody wants to see kissing makeup doing.

1014
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:39,639
Speaker 3: The class except for except except for Chris Jericho.

1015
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:46,679
Speaker 5: And Danko Jones and Jones.

1016
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 4: Bill, you said you had a You said you had

1017
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:53,960
a relationship with Ace.

1018
01:02:54,719 --> 01:03:00,119
Speaker 5: I did have a fleeting relationship with Ace Freely. So

1019
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,840
around the reunion time around would would that have been

1020
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:08,199
ninety five is or six ninety six? Ye ninety five

1021
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,599
ninety six kiss r keeping their secrets under wrap that

1022
01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:15,920
they're gonna do kinda do and they're preparing for it.

1023
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,920
My friend Steve Werner had been Ace's drummer in the

1024
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,079
Ace Freely band for for years and that's how I

1025
01:03:25,239 --> 01:03:31,480
first met and became friendly with Ace. So Steve is

1026
01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:36,440
like yo, Aces staying at the Shoreham Towers. He's really

1027
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:39,559
doesn't know all that many people, you mind, you know,

1028
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,239
going in and hanging out shit like fuck me of

1029
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:50,519
course duh. So so so you know, I get to

1030
01:03:50,599 --> 01:03:53,400
know Ace and and he's charming and lovable when he

1031
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,719
wants to be charming and lovable, right, And it was

1032
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,800
always super cool. Hey, this is my friend Dally's the

1033
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:07,320
author of a back so one of the times that

1034
01:04:07,519 --> 01:04:12,000
really stands out in my adventures with Ace Freely is.

1035
01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:16,239
I took him to Dragonfly, which is a rock and

1036
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,960
roll bar on Santa Monica Boulevard. I don't recall who

1037
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:23,159
was playing, but he had his man purse. He had

1038
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:26,079
his his brown leather bag on that's full of all

1039
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:29,679
kinds of like incredible, what are you doing with that

1040
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:30,559
kind of stuff?

1041
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:37,159
Speaker 3: He's ready for the prices, right, And one of.

1042
01:04:37,199 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 5: The items he had in his merse was night vision goggles.

1043
01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:48,039
Speaker 4: So we're in this dark bar and.

1044
01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:52,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, dal I got this from one of my CIA friends.

1045
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,039
And you put them on, and sure enough, it's silence

1046
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:58,519
of the lambs. You can see in the dark. So

1047
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:03,199
I hand a back his his his uh night vision goggles,

1048
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:08,599
and he tells me go hide. So we're playing hide

1049
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:13,239
and go seek in a bar with night vision goggles. Man,

1050
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:17,119
Oh is that? So?

1051
01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 3: Where'd you hide in Dragonfly?

1052
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:24,159
Speaker 5: Like behind a table or something like that. There wasn't

1053
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:27,880
like a tree or anything that I can Yeah, what.

1054
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: Are you doing?

1055
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,159
Speaker 4: Ace Frehley told me to go hide. I'm gonna go hide.

1056
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:38,039
Speaker 5: And so before you moved into the slam Dome, Isy,

1057
01:05:39,239 --> 01:05:42,719
Ace had gone there on several occasions. To just hang

1058
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,039
out and you know, mingle with my circle of friends,

1059
01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:47,400
which is your circle of friends.

1060
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:50,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah yeah. Do you remember the last time you

1061
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:57,000
saw or talked to Ace? Yeah uh.

1062
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was kind of awkward, so I don't

1063
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:04,239
want to go into it.

1064
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 4: Okay, no, no, it's all good. It's all good.

1065
01:06:06,639 --> 01:06:07,519
Speaker 5: No, you have to.

1066
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:10,639
Speaker 3: I ended up seeing one of his last shows. I

1067
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,440
saw the show. He played a show in this random

1068
01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:18,000
festival in Monroe, Connecticut, and it ended up being one

1069
01:06:18,039 --> 01:06:18,880
of his last shows.

1070
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,599
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, last time I last time I saw him

1071
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:27,159
was last time he played Vegas, and it was not

1072
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:28,400
one of his good shows.

1073
01:06:29,679 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 3: This was actually a good show. It was a good

1074
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:32,719
It was a good night.

1075
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 5: We saw Ace open for Alice Cooper at at the

1076
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:41,639
Hollywood Bowl.

1077
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:43,199
Speaker 4: Oh, at the Bowl.

1078
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 5: Or the Greek I can't remember.

1079
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,039
Speaker 4: It might have been the Greek because I was I

1080
01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:49,719
think I went to that show with Amet.

1081
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:54,639
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, and Ace Freeley was not very good. No,

1082
01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:59,760
it was unfortunate. Which is a drag. Is around the

1083
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:05,280
time of the Sunset Music Festival, where all the clubs

1084
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,880
on the Strip as well as the Strip has bands.

1085
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:12,760
Ace Freely played the Viper Room and It was Ace

1086
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:17,719
Freely with Todd Youth on guitar, Johnny Martin may have

1087
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:22,840
been on bass, and it was fucking great. It was great.

1088
01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:26,320
And in the Viper Room, which holds you know, yeah,

1089
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:32,559
one hundred crammed jam packed, Ace did the smoking guitar gimmick.

1090
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,119
I'd rather remember that.

1091
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it. I mean, look, you've been around

1092
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:42,360
a while. I mean you were obviously on the strip

1093
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:47,159
in that in that fucking heyday of Heydays. Is there

1094
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:51,320
any shows that pop out in your head that you remember, like,

1095
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,199
holy fuck, I can't believe I was at that.

1096
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,559
Speaker 5: There were so many shows in such a scene that

1097
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,960
was happening. I mean, you gotta remember you could go

1098
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:06,079
to the Sunset Strip from then Gazzaaries which later became

1099
01:08:06,119 --> 01:08:11,599
the Key Club, the Rainbow, the Roxy and the Whiskey,

1100
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,800
and as well as the Central before it becomes the

1101
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,920
Viper Room, and along that stretch of land there was

1102
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:23,039
a thousand kids every night. There were adventures just waiting

1103
01:08:23,159 --> 01:08:34,439
to happen, So Faster, pussy Cat, Taz the Wild, all

1104
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,119
these bands, as well as Guns N' Roses La Guns Fast,

1105
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:42,760
pussy Cat, and then there were other scenes that were

1106
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,239
happening with like Jane's addiction and shit like that. So

1107
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:49,680
there was always something to do somewhere. Monday night was

1108
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,920
the Scream Club, Tuesday night was cat House, Wednesday may

1109
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,720
have been that Camp Hollywood, Thursday was Bordello, and then

1110
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,680
you had the weekend. And at any given on any

1111
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,960
given night, at any given venue, you didn't know who

1112
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:07,079
was going to play. It could be White Zombie, it

1113
01:09:07,119 --> 01:09:10,479
could be Danzig, it could be Mookie Blaylock, who later

1114
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:16,199
on become Pearl jam Alison Chains, it could be Blind Melon.

1115
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,720
That there was something always going on and it was

1116
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,439
always so important to witness it, to experience it, to

1117
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,399
be part of this, not really knowing that you're becoming

1118
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,880
part of history, but like, I can't miss this. I

1119
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,520
can't miss out, you know, I might meet my my

1120
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:40,159
future girlfriend, my future bandmates. Yeah, drug dealers man, Yeah,

1121
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:40,840
going on.

1122
01:09:43,119 --> 01:09:47,279
Speaker 3: I did a project with Perry Farrell during COVID. It

1123
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:49,840
was a book project and it was interesting because one

1124
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,840
of the things we talked about it kind of went

1125
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,119
through his whole life and we talked a lot about

1126
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:58,680
the Sunset strip and it was interesting because he says

1127
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,279
the same exact thing and it's like that. He talks

1128
01:10:01,279 --> 01:10:05,119
about like Guns n' Roses, Faster, pussy Cat and Jane's Addiction,

1129
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,800
and he in particularly would talk about Axel because he's like,

1130
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:13,399
there was this mutual respect. We were completely different musical forms,

1131
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,600
but there was a mutual respect and everyone wanted to

1132
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,800
be the alpha. So he's like, you had this and

1133
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,680
it was a really fascinating perspective coming from him.

1134
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 5: And and and I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment. Axel

1135
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:33,039
was a huge Jane's Addiction supporter. He turned me onto

1136
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:37,920
the Jane's Addiction demo. Ah wow. And you know, he

1137
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:42,000
had mad respect for that band and what they were doing.

1138
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,960
And Guns n' Roses had its own thing going on.

1139
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:46,279
Speaker 7: You know.

1140
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, And every band was like a gang, and the

1141
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:56,800
roadies were, you know, also part of the gang. And

1142
01:10:57,359 --> 01:10:59,800
the family was also part of the gang. But you

1143
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:04,960
chose your gang, you know. So I want to say

1144
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,159
it was like nineteen eighty six street scene in downtown

1145
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:14,359
Los Angeles. There's it's it's packed, it's it's huge, you know.

1146
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:20,680
And to keep fans from climbing on stage and stage diving,

1147
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,520
they had these steel barrels, these garbage cans filled with water,

1148
01:11:25,119 --> 01:11:28,600
that somehow got thrown on the stage, and then people

1149
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,039
like myself are another roading named Redhead or Jojo z

1150
01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:35,159
Out would would take these steel and throw them back.

1151
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:42,039
We're throwing steel at human beings. We're protecting our gang.

1152
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 4: This is what you do.

1153
01:11:43,279 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 3: You know, this is this is before you get sued

1154
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:51,800
for looking into the crowd. This is like, yeah, wow, wow.

1155
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 5: It was. You know, you don't realize it at the moment,

1156
01:11:56,039 --> 01:11:58,239
because you know, when when you're in the eye of

1157
01:11:58,279 --> 01:12:00,720
the hurricane, you don't really realize it as a hurricane

1158
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:05,279
going on, shit spinning. And there was so there was

1159
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,359
so much happening, you know, there was so much happening

1160
01:12:10,199 --> 01:12:13,199
that I was hired by Geffen Records to be a

1161
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:16,800
talent scout and once a month write a report as

1162
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,000
to what bands I thought were, you know, worthy of

1163
01:12:20,079 --> 01:12:21,560
the record label's attention.

1164
01:12:23,319 --> 01:12:25,359
Speaker 4: There any bands that pop out in your head that

1165
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,520
might have gone on to that next level.

1166
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:34,119
Speaker 5: I was a big fan and supporter of this punk

1167
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:42,039
rock grunge band called New Improved God. And New Improved

1168
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:45,680
God were wrong place, wrong time. If they had been

1169
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:50,680
in Seattle, they would have exploded. They they were so

1170
01:12:51,039 --> 01:12:54,760
good and so misunderstood, and you know, I would tell

1171
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,920
people about them and couldn't get a bite. Couldn't get

1172
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,199
a bite. There was all so another band called Grace

1173
01:13:01,319 --> 01:13:03,039
Period that a lot of my friends I've been in.

1174
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:09,000
Josh Lewis, who was in Warrant, was in Grace Period.

1175
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,640
Uh Mark de Jockomo, the bass player who was in

1176
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:18,600
Slack Babbath sid from from Rob Holford's two, was the drummer.

1177
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,079
He was also in the Wild with Dizzy Reid. They

1178
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:27,840
were a really great, gritty rock and roll band and

1179
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,880
superiors to me A and R Scouts would come out

1180
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,000
and they'd be like, the band's great, but they need

1181
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:39,319
a singer. Everybody had fucking Sebastian bach fever. So if

1182
01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:43,199
you weren't front in the band, they they they didn't

1183
01:13:43,239 --> 01:13:46,479
get you. So no matter how good Grace Period weren't,

1184
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:50,479
they were really fucking good. They they they never got

1185
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:51,159
a record deal.

1186
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 4: Well, I guess that was at that time too, when

1187
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,720
like you, it was it started to get cookie cutter, right,

1188
01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:00,159
And I.

1189
01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:03,399
Speaker 5: Mean there's many different reasons, but MTV it's part of

1190
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:07,560
the blame. People start people started listening to music with

1191
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,079
their eyes and not you know, judging with their ears.

1192
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:21,960
They start, Yeah, if you look the part, you must

1193
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,239
be the part right and and you know the rebellion

1194
01:14:26,279 --> 01:14:29,920
that happens as a result is to be expected. You know,

1195
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:34,880
when you've got all these glamtastic, fluffy rock bands, of

1196
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:39,640
course somewhere there's going to be rebellion in flannels, in

1197
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,840
reb jans. And what I'm waiting for in this political

1198
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,800
climate is where's the angry youth rock and roll band

1199
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,960
that tells me like it is, where is the the

1200
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:59,960
the vigilant, anti red hats, anti magas, who who are

1201
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,439
the sex pistols of their generation, whore the guns n'

1202
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:03,560
roses of their generation?

1203
01:15:05,119 --> 01:15:08,119
Speaker 4: Well it's you know, you bring up Gen R again too,

1204
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:13,279
Like they them and Ellie Guns and Postycat. They were

1205
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:16,680
kind of the opposite of what was going on of

1206
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,760
what was huge, the poisons and all that kind of stuff.

1207
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:23,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, when when you say hair metal, when when people

1208
01:15:23,319 --> 01:15:28,600
dub something hair metal, the Guns and Roses family takes

1209
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:33,760
offense because it's so cookie cutter, it's so right, just

1210
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,199
just dumbing down something. And there were drastic differences. You know,

1211
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:43,800
Hanoi Rocks were not fucking hair metal, no matter how glamorific.

1212
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,920
They were Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers were not glam

1213
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:53,399
metal or or hair metal or rock, no matter how

1214
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:58,479
influential they may be. Dead Boys YadA YadA, YadA, uh

1215
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,520
it and Guns and Roses had more in common with

1216
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:11,359
punk rock than what MTV will wind up promoting. When

1217
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:16,039
you know, when when Warrent and Bullet Boys and Slaughter

1218
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:20,079
and all those bands that, you know, it's not cool

1219
01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:23,359
of me to disrespect them, but yeah, they're they're polar

1220
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:25,479
opposites and what fucking Guns n' Roses was doing?

1221
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Dell. I know you have an appointment in

1222
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,960
forty five minutes or so, so let's close on this.

1223
01:16:33,239 --> 01:16:36,199
Ricky Rackman's podc The Cathouse Podcast, he told the story,

1224
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,000
and I'm wondering if you were there, if you remember

1225
01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:41,600
this night there was something about Axel and David Bowie.

1226
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:44,119
Speaker 7: I was there.

1227
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 5: I don't remember the details, but it happened. It definitely happened.

1228
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 3: It took a lot of.

1229
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 5: Shit that happened that I can't remember the details from right.

1230
01:16:56,039 --> 01:16:58,680
Every night was a new adventure. Every day was your

1231
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,560
last day on Earth, and you were going to party

1232
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,399
like it was nineteen ninety nine.

1233
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 4: I love it, Dell. People want to find the book.

1234
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:07,680
Where can they find the book?

1235
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 5: Anybody who's interested in consensual violence can look Amazon dot com.

1236
01:17:17,319 --> 01:17:21,520
And if you have read Consensual Violence, please leave a

1237
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,800
comment in the Amazon book reviews. That really helps, you know,

1238
01:17:26,359 --> 01:17:29,800
promote and generate interest, well as any of the podcasts

1239
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,640
this one. If there's a comment section, please leave your

1240
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,319
review of the book, good bed and different, just talk

1241
01:17:36,399 --> 01:17:39,199
about it and help spread the word. I'm thankful to

1242
01:17:39,279 --> 01:17:40,119
both of you, gentlemen.

1243
01:17:40,199 --> 01:17:43,159
Speaker 3: For Dell one. Is there a place for people for

1244
01:17:43,239 --> 01:17:47,960
people that are into the memorabilia aspect? Is there a

1245
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,520
way to get an autograph copy? Do you do that

1246
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:50,840
at all?

1247
01:17:51,319 --> 01:17:55,039
Speaker 5: Not really? Not really, Okay, I will gladly sign anybody's

1248
01:17:55,119 --> 01:17:57,319
copy if we happen to be in the same room

1249
01:17:57,359 --> 01:17:58,039
at the same time.

1250
01:17:58,119 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 3: But Amazon is the place to go that, okay, or

1251
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:02,600
your indie bookstores, okay, all right?

1252
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 5: Amazon Amazon dot com is the the place where most

1253
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,319
of their most of the people have been able to

1254
01:18:09,399 --> 01:18:10,520
find consensual votes.

1255
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:16,159
Speaker 3: Fantastic And maybe I'll see I got a dunge n'

1256
01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:19,199
roses at the well what's it called now, MetLife, So

1257
01:18:19,319 --> 01:18:20,319
maybe we'll see you there.

1258
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,079
Speaker 4: Right, on all right, check out Dell if they want

1259
01:18:24,079 --> 01:18:26,640
to find you on like Twitter and Instagram, Del James Gang.

1260
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm on all the socials. Facebook, Uh, Threads, Instagram,

1261
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,640
Blue Sky. I'm on some ship. I don't even know

1262
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:43,840
what it is, but I can't figure out threads. I'm

1263
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,279
sure there's a logic to it. I mean I can

1264
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,239
post on threads. I can comment on other people's threads.

1265
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:53,560
I can see things that were on Instagram through threads.

1266
01:18:53,680 --> 01:19:03,399
Speaker 4: Now weird wild Paul, Uh, What's what's up in Paul World?

1267
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,399
Is there anything that people need to know about Paul

1268
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,840
World or reach out to Paul Paul World?

1269
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,239
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just management all all the fun stuff.

1270
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,520
There's nothing, there's nothing, nothing to plug right now. I

1271
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,560
got a new new band I'm working on with Chad Taylor,

1272
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,520
the guitar player of Live that there is that has

1273
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,039
We've just started talking about it, but that band. At

1274
01:19:28,079 --> 01:19:30,960
this point, we're ready to get out there. We're just

1275
01:19:31,239 --> 01:19:35,199
finishing up some bunch of demos, you know, Faster Pussycat.

1276
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,520
New band called Drop the Star out of Seattle. The Bites.

1277
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,159
New record from the Bites is really good, So keep

1278
01:19:42,199 --> 01:19:42,760
them busy.

1279
01:19:43,159 --> 01:19:46,520
Speaker 4: And soon to be act attribute to Ace Freeley. Ladies

1280
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:51,239
and gentlemen, wait wait, wait is you what are you

1281
01:19:51,399 --> 01:19:53,720
doing next week? What's that?

1282
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:57,520
Speaker 3: What are you doing?

1283
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:58,119
Speaker 5: Next week?

1284
01:19:58,279 --> 01:20:02,039
Speaker 4: I will be on the cruise to the Huge with

1285
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,079
progue bands galore. They know all the notes and play

1286
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:07,399
all of them and more.

1287
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 3: They play them all over and over and over again.

1288
01:20:11,319 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely no. It's super talented musicians on there.

1289
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,439
And my saving grace is Queen's Reich. Dude.

1290
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 5: I saw yes, I saw it. I saw Yes at

1291
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:27,439
Madison Square Garden in the round and it was test

1292
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,960
it was I mean, seventy eight, seventy nine era.

1293
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 4: This out too, speaking of the prog world. We're going

1294
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,880
to have this author on as soon as we get back.

1295
01:20:39,119 --> 01:20:42,199
This is fifty years of Rush in twenty twelve. It

1296
01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:43,920
is very well done.

1297
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:49,359
Speaker 5: I saw I saw Rush at the Palladium in New York,

1298
01:20:51,239 --> 01:20:54,000
and I want to say it was farewell to the

1299
01:20:54,079 --> 01:21:00,079
King's tour. Wow. Yeah, so respect to Prague and and

1300
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,359
that's super cool that there's a boat and that's doing that.

1301
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:08,359
Speaker 3: I thanks for the invitation, is yeah. I used to.

1302
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,079
I ran a prog label at Centry Media the inside

1303
01:21:11,079 --> 01:21:13,319
out level, so I have like that holds a dear

1304
01:21:13,399 --> 01:21:14,119
place in my heart.

1305
01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:16,399
Speaker 4: But well, I mean, the only thing that sucks about

1306
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,960
the PROG cruise is I'm the hottest girl on the boat.

1307
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:22,359
I was about to say that's not with the bands

1308
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,760
or working. Let me get that by ladies and gentlemen.

1309
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,159
Fucking Dell James. Check out the book and Sensual Violence.

1310
01:21:29,399 --> 01:21:33,720
Paul Gargano. I'm glad he's here because I saw pictures

1311
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:38,079
of Robert Kardine passed away and the pictures looked exactly

1312
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:41,760
like you look now, with the hair and the beard,

1313
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:42,600
and you.

1314
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,159
Speaker 3: Know, and actually the hair is the hair is scary long.

1315
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, well's gonna get shorts.

1316
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 3: Down down, but I've I've got it tied and him

1317
01:21:51,079 --> 01:21:53,399
not in the back to keep it out of my face.

1318
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 4: I'm so I'm so over it. I'm so over it.

1319
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,479
And Dell, of course you're just you're just your head's

1320
01:21:58,520 --> 01:21:59,000
just shining.

1321
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 5: I was losing my shit after being ten years sober,

1322
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:08,479
and that's how we commemorated it and donated my ponytail

1323
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:09,359
to Locks of Love.

1324
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:10,359
Speaker 4: So nice.

1325
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:14,079
Speaker 5: Somebody got something out of you know, my hair.

1326
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,079
Speaker 4: I love it.

1327
01:22:16,119 --> 01:22:16,199
Speaker 7: Now.

1328
01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 4: If you guys are coming to Vegas, hit up a

1329
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,279
metal Blade Records Museum, metal blade dot com, slash museum.

1330
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:23,800
You are getting married. Hit me up. I can do

1331
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:27,399
that legally, have fucking Izzy Presley as you're officient, Paul.

1332
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,840
It's actually I'm actually good at it. I'm good. I'm good.

1333
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:35,039
So anyways, hold Ranald, thank you for coming back. Tell James,

1334
01:22:35,119 --> 01:22:37,560
thank you for finally coming on. My name is Izzy Presley.

1335
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,119
Do not forget where all I can tell it I

1336
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:41,159
make up four in the cock