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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from Studio A Here at proven Winners, Color Joy Shrubs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hrvella,

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<v Speaker 1>me Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we talk about big plants. What a great topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Go big or go home, big shots, the big picture,

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<v Speaker 1>speak softly and carry a big stick, too big for

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<v Speaker 1>one's breeches. You get the idea. Ever, put a landscape

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<v Speaker 1>plant in the ground and it gets much bigger than

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<v Speaker 1>you expected, or an dissipated.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yes, because I live in a fantasy world where

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<v Speaker 2>I can plant whatever I want and ignore the spacing.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, that has happened to me many times.

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<v Speaker 1>And I believe you are not alone. I think about

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<v Speaker 1>the movie Big with Tom Hanks. Loved that movie, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know he wishes that he was big, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he visits what was it? I put it down here Zoltar,

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<v Speaker 1>the fortune teller machine, the antique fortune teller machine, and

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly he gets what he wished for. What a great movie.

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<v Speaker 1>But big landscape plants, it's all relative. Of course, we

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<v Speaker 1>can talk about big trees, but this is about big

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<v Speaker 1>landscape plants with big characteristics and size, something that's out

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<v Speaker 1>of the routine, so to speak. Now, it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>definitive list. This is just a conversation because Stacy, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you and I could probably do three four, five

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<v Speaker 1>six shows on big plants.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I love them. I am going to come right

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<v Speaker 2>out and say, yeah, we're not talking about like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the giant sequoias out in California, which are obviously extremely

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<v Speaker 2>amazing and impressive, but like their tree, you know, they're gigantic.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, what this show is about are those plants

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<v Speaker 2>that basically go from nothing in spring where there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>above ground, and the next thing you know, by the

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<v Speaker 2>time summer rolls around, they're five six, seven, ten feet tall.

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<v Speaker 2>And watching that process of something going from nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>just this massive plant, it just never gets old from me.

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely love it. My garden is full of these

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<v Speaker 2>types of plants, and yeah, the more I can get,

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<v Speaker 2>the better I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>And no garden is too small for a large leafed plant.

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<v Speaker 1>The key is knowing how, where and when to use it,

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<v Speaker 1>all of which depends on the impression that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to make. But you can punctuate. You can make an

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<v Speaker 1>impression with big plants. I mean I think off the

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<v Speaker 1>top of my head. Stacey, we've talked about El Nino

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<v Speaker 1>desert orchid.

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<v Speaker 2>Sample definitely a great example.

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<v Speaker 1>The cup plant that you love, and we should talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that today callicanthus sweet shrub. Any of those types

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<v Speaker 1>of plants in a shady spot, A hosta is a

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<v Speaker 1>great example. You have the Shadowland Empress woh Sta hybrid,

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<v Speaker 1>you have shadow Land Gigantisaurus Hasta hybrid, and of course, Stacey,

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<v Speaker 1>the old standard summon substance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love those hostas. Now. Of course I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have them because I have deer and very little shade

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't water, and that's how you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get the truly impressive results on those is. Yes, plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of moisture. But boy do I love seeing a well

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<v Speaker 2>grown giant hosta. Just fills me with envy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's fantastic. It's like they're saying, stop here, look

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<v Speaker 1>at me. It's great. And then you can take it

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<v Speaker 1>to the next level. Plant in mass for impact, where

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<v Speaker 1>space is not constrained. You take some of these dramatic

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<v Speaker 1>plants and then plant them in mass I think of

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<v Speaker 1>the airport here in West Michigan in the entrance where

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<v Speaker 1>they have a viburnum placatum double file and they get

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<v Speaker 1>so large and when they bloom and they're in the

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<v Speaker 1>ent entrance in a drift.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never knowniced that. I guess I've never flown out

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<v Speaker 2>in late spring, but I will have to make some

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<v Speaker 2>arrangements and see this legendary planting. Yeah, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that a lot of people think that big plants

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<v Speaker 2>are bad because they don't have space. But the fact is,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that big plants are extremely useful in low

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<v Speaker 2>maintenance gardening because if you plant one very large plant

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<v Speaker 2>and you cite it, well, it's basically no work. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like you can just transform an area

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<v Speaker 2>of your yard from something that you have to mow

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<v Speaker 2>or trim or whatever and just plant something large and

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of just takes care of itself. It makes

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger impression. And you know, I think that in

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<v Speaker 2>many ways, big plants are getting harder to find. There

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<v Speaker 2>is a prevailing assumption in the horticulture industry right now

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<v Speaker 2>that people want smaller plants, and it is true that

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<v Speaker 2>people very often have smaller yards, but that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>is not place for big plants. And you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>well chosen big plant can make all the difference, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in the small yard.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. It can be explosive. But you know what, again,

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<v Speaker 1>big is relative. You can find big in something like bulbs.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at bulbs. I was always excited in spring

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<v Speaker 1>when the big elephant ear bulbs would come in and

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<v Speaker 1>then you look, you know, there's big as softballs, and

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<v Speaker 1>you think, wow, the potential that lies in this plant

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<v Speaker 1>or alium gigantium, or the fritile areas or whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>may be. I shared with Adriana a picture of met

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<v Speaker 1>at Koekenhoff trying to fill my big European shoes for

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube listeners and viewers. But I'm always on the lookout

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<v Speaker 1>for something bigger, better, more unusual. I'm a fan of

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<v Speaker 1>plants with big, tropical showy leaves, so you know I

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<v Speaker 1>love canas colocacia bananas. I mean, you take something like

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<v Speaker 1>Mussa bajou, which is the hardy Japanese fiber banana. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though in the north and I'm in Zone six B,

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<v Speaker 1>it dies back to the ground if you're able to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it alive. The amount of growth, like you said

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<v Speaker 1>at the outset, Stacey, is quite inspiring that you get

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<v Speaker 1>in one season have.

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<v Speaker 2>You been able to successfully elul Oh, that's cool. How

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<v Speaker 2>old is yours? Then?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I had one for numerous years until I moved,

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<v Speaker 1>and now this spring I just planted one, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna try again.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's your secret to overwintering this? Just keeping it dry?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Soltz, you've got a mulch. The plant needs a

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<v Speaker 1>fair amount of water during the growing season in order

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<v Speaker 1>to produce that growth. But for winter good I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>mounded mulch.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, big. You know, make sure that that that

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<v Speaker 2>rise them under there is well buried exactly, And then

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<v Speaker 2>of course you can't risk uncovering it too late, because

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<v Speaker 2>then you could earth plant right exactly. But it's worth

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<v Speaker 2>it to have a hardy banana exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite big plants in the landscape is rhododendrons,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think part of the reason for that is

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<v Speaker 1>because the root system is small proportionately to the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the plant. And I went out yesterday shot a

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<v Speaker 1>couple pictures for YouTube viewers of just some neighbors who

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<v Speaker 1>have gigantic rhododendrons. Well, again, we live on the lake

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<v Speaker 1>shore here in West Michigan, and the conditions allow us

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<v Speaker 1>to grow rhododendrons that need moisture and yet need good drainage.

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<v Speaker 1>If they sit in water, they're not going to do well.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you think about rhododendron maximum or great laurel

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<v Speaker 1>or wild rhododendron. You see a lot of that in

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. These things get absolutely huge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, rhododendron can be very You know the one that

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<v Speaker 2>goes that meme that goes around about the This is

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<v Speaker 2>the one hundred year old rhododendron with a lady who

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<v Speaker 2>planted it. So she apparently planted it as an infant.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a good example of how of the truly

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<v Speaker 2>epic proportions rhododendron can reach.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if the conditions are right, you bet rhododendri Rhododendron

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<v Speaker 1>Dell is a great landscape showcasing all the rhododendrons at

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<v Speaker 1>Arnold's Arboretum. And I went arnold Arboretum and I went

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<v Speaker 1>there this past year. Four hundred and forty six rhododendrons

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<v Speaker 1>in that collection. I think about full speed a hedge

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<v Speaker 1>and arbor vitie that gets very, very tall and yet

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<v Speaker 1>in the garden center. I see a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>Stacey who opt for Thuya placata, which is the green

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<v Speaker 1>giant or great Western cedar because of deer pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so green giant is actually a hybrid between Placata

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<v Speaker 2>and Standiscia. Is im a Asian species. But green Giant

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<v Speaker 2>lives up to its name. It is a big it's tall,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also very broad at the base, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>really it's good for privacy hedging if you have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of ground space. Otherwise, something like full Speed Hedge

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<v Speaker 2>or north Pole from proven Winners are great choices because

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<v Speaker 2>they take up less ground real estate but can still

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<v Speaker 2>give you the privacy. Do you have to space them

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more closely, of course to make up

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<v Speaker 2>for that. But green Giant is a household name, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is definitely not for every yard. But it's cool,

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<v Speaker 2>all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you a big plant, Limerick. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to continue to talk about big plants in

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<v Speaker 1>segment for it will also be interesting to see Stacey's

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<v Speaker 1>plant on trial that is chosen this week as we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about big plants. Here's my limb rick. I need

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<v Speaker 1>a plant colossal, not something dainty or docile, something downright

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<v Speaker 1>large that shows it's in charge, as big as a

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<v Speaker 1>dinosaur fossil. I want a plant that's big, a leafy, robust,

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<v Speaker 1>large fig. A plant that's substantial and really consequential, not

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<v Speaker 1>a wimpy, modest twig. To big plants, I'm deferential that

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<v Speaker 1>fill my lot residential. Nothing that is passive. Make it

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<v Speaker 1>really massive with foliage, substantial, something that is enormous. Tell us,

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<v Speaker 1>please inform us of a plant with impact that isn't compact.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got to be ginormous.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see what kind of impactful plant Stacey shares with us. Next.

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>one of my all time favorite topics as well as

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<v Speaker 2>plants to put in the garden, and that is big plants.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I like small plants. Let's like, not pretend

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<v Speaker 2>that's not true. I have tons and tons of small plants.

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<v Speaker 2>I have tiny little seedum's, tiny little supervivum, and I

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<v Speaker 2>love those as well. But there is just something to

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<v Speaker 2>me that is so inspiring about something like smarific hibiscus,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know, comes spring, not a thing to be

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<v Speaker 2>found in the ground, no signs of life whatsoever. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, late May, couple little tiny shoots start

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<v Speaker 2>to poke up and you're like, okay, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>by July you've got a five foot tall plant covered

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<v Speaker 2>in flowers, and you're just like, how did that happen?

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<v Speaker 1>It's exciting, it's explosive. Not only a big plant, big flowers,

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<v Speaker 1>big flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I love that. I also love, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>any number of native plants. Like one of my favorites

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<v Speaker 2>that I have is Agastaki nepatoides. So this is the

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<v Speaker 2>green hissip and nepatoides means it looks like catnap, which

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of does, except that it gets to be

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<v Speaker 2>eight feet tall and it puts on these amazing candelabra

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<v Speaker 2>type branches and again, I just love seeing that go

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<v Speaker 2>from like where where even is that plant? To just

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<v Speaker 2>this massive presence in the landscape. It never it never

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<v Speaker 2>gets old for me. And you know, when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to shrubs, of course, there's lots of big shrubs. If

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<v Speaker 2>we were just talking about plants that reach epic proportion

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<v Speaker 2>as well, I could still go on all day. But

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<v Speaker 2>there the shrub version of this ability to go from

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<v Speaker 2>virtually nothing to just a massive in bloom plant I

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<v Speaker 2>think is best epitomized by butterfly bush.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, especially older varieties of butterfly bush. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>that people want smaller plants, and there's definitely been a

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<v Speaker 2>tendency to breed smaller and smaller butterfly bush compared to

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day, when you know, good luck finding

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<v Speaker 2>a butterfly bush it's under six feet. Now it's more

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<v Speaker 2>feet anymore. And I think there's still a place for that.

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<v Speaker 2>But no matter what size butterfly bush you have, they

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<v Speaker 2>the plants that I think people are most likely to

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<v Speaker 2>in late winter, early spring, and next thing you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're growing and you think, okay, well, I guess it

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<v Speaker 2>were covered from that winter damage, but it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to flower. And then like a week later it's covered

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<v Speaker 2>in flowers. I mean, it's amazing, blamo blamo exactly. So

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<v Speaker 2>today's plan on trial is one of my favorite of

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<v Speaker 2>our butterfly bush and that is Miss Violet. Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a plant that you know, I like Budi.

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<v Speaker 2>I am definitely choosy about what I put in my garden,

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<v Speaker 2>I just love the deep purple flowers sow. The Miss

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<v Speaker 2>series of butterfly bush are developed to be about four

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<v Speaker 2>to five feet tall and wide and to have kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a more elegant habit than your average budlia. So

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<v Speaker 2>some butterfly bushes can have like a really uh, let's

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<v Speaker 2>just say habit is not their strong suit, especially some

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<v Speaker 2>of those older varieties where these really do have like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of an elegant, vaselike habit and that four to

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<v Speaker 2>five foot you know, size is nothing to sneeze that

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<v Speaker 2>that's still quite an appreciable size, but much more versatile

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<v Speaker 2>than some of those older ones that would you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just get really really huge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'd love that Miss series. It was Adriana

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<v Speaker 1>who got me excited about Miss Molly. Put it in

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<v Speaker 1>my landscape.

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<v Speaker 2>Love that that's our favorite plant in the whole proven

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<v Speaker 2>winner's line. Miss Molly is her number one pick. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I I have seen the Miss series of butterfly bush

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<v Speaker 2>undergo this exact same phenomenon that I'm talking about in

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<v Speaker 2>my own garden. So at my previous home, I had

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<v Speaker 2>planted a Miss Molly butterfly bush. So this is all

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<v Speaker 2>from the same breeding series. A breeder named doctor Dennis

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<v Speaker 2>Warner out of North Carolina State University. He is now retired,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was really really passionate about butterfly bush and

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<v Speaker 2>he devoted the latter part of his career to developing

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<v Speaker 2>non invasive butterfly bushes because at that point, in certain

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<v Speaker 2>milder climates, butterfly bush was starting to spread by seed

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<v Speaker 2>sure it was getting banned, and he really did not

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<v Speaker 2>want to see that happen. So he devoted his resources

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<v Speaker 2>into the Low and Behold series. So some of the

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<v Speaker 2>earlier Low and Behold butterfly bush, which of course are

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<v Speaker 2>are low, small growing butterfly bushes, and my favorite the

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<v Speaker 2>Miss series. So I planted a Miss Molly. It was full. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I generally do not recommend that you plant butterfly bush

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<v Speaker 2>in full. So now that we're here in late spring

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<v Speaker 2>early summer, especially if you're in a cold clam and

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<v Speaker 2>you're thinking about adding a butterfly bush to your garden,

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<v Speaker 2>now is the time to do it. You want to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that it has a nice long season ahead

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<v Speaker 2>to develop a good root system to help it come

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<v Speaker 2>back from you know, any damage that it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>get in winter. So you know, but I work in

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<v Speaker 2>the industry, so I get free plants. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>get free plants, you don't just you know, you plant them.

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<v Speaker 1>And I worked in the garden center industry, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you get bargain bin plants in October, you plant them

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<v Speaker 1>exactly and hope for the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, can't beat the price. So I planted this Miss Mollie,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it looked great at that fall, and

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<v Speaker 2>then come the following spring, other butterfly bushes that are

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<v Speaker 2>planted near it coming back without a problem. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, cool, and this Miss Mollie is showing not

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<v Speaker 2>a sign of life, not a single sign of life

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<v Speaker 2>now again. And I do have pretty good conditions, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of different things that could happen. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I kept waiting because I know that butterfly

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<v Speaker 2>bush are always late to emerge, and the colder or

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<v Speaker 2>harsher your winter is the harder the slower they are

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<v Speaker 2>to come back from. That so especially true for people

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<v Speaker 2>in USBA Zone five and six. So I'm waiting. Still nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>still nothing. Finally, the second weekend in June rolls around

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that's it. This thing is not coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to just pull it out. So I lean over,

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<v Speaker 2>bend over to pull it out with my bare hands,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is something you can do when you have

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<v Speaker 2>very sandy soil. It's really quite a fun benefit. Not everything,

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<v Speaker 2>but some things. So I reach down to pull it

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<v Speaker 2>out and I see just this tiny little shoot coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of the ground, and I thought, all right, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll give it a whirl. We'll see what you can

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<v Speaker 2>do from this tiny, little, you know, one inch shoot

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<v Speaker 2>and I am not even joking. Three weeks later the

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<v Speaker 2>thing was fully grown and in bloom.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was insane. It was absolutely amazing and

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<v Speaker 2>plants just you know, it's one of those plants that

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<v Speaker 2>just has this ability to, I guess, summon the extensive

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<v Speaker 2>resources in its roots to come back from even a

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<v Speaker 2>really really harsh winter, and it's just so amazing to

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<v Speaker 2>see that kind of comeback.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's true. I have a Missviolet. Two years ago

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<v Speaker 1>we had a very mild winter, hardly any die back.

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<v Speaker 1>This past winter, Stacey mine pretty much had. I had

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<v Speaker 1>die back to the ground, but it's really recovering quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the crazy thing is they do recover quickly. And

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<v Speaker 2>all butterfly bush, especially in colder climates or if you

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<v Speaker 2>have clay soil and you get cold winters, that is

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<v Speaker 2>their death knell. They hate that. They will definitely be

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<v Speaker 2>sat back, if not die. But the thing is, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you do have to have faith with these plants because

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<v Speaker 2>they can come back in such an amazing way. So

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<v Speaker 2>a couple more tips for success, whether you're growing today's

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<v Speaker 2>or any butterfly bush. Again, plant it sooner than later,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if you are in a cold climate or you

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<v Speaker 2>are planting it in less than ideal conditions. So that

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<v Speaker 2>would be like clay soil, poorly drained soils. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to put it in any soil of its wet.

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<v Speaker 2>It will not make it. You can plant them in

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<v Speaker 2>clay soil, but they definitely need a longer time to

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<v Speaker 2>get established. Because it's not even so much winter that

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<v Speaker 2>will take out a butterfly bush. It's being cold and wet.

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<v Speaker 2>So really the danger times are kind of that late

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<v Speaker 2>fall where the ground hasn't frozen yet, it's not cold

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<v Speaker 2>enough to actually like snow or freeze, but we're getting

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of rain that's terrible for it. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing happens on the other end of the

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<v Speaker 2>season in early spring, when you know we're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>past the worst of the cold, but we get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of rain and the soils cold and wet. They

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely hate that, so plant early, plants high. If you

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<v Speaker 2>have a drainage issue, make sure this you're putting it

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<v Speaker 2>so that's a little bit above the soil surface rather

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<v Speaker 2>than even with the soil surface and make sure you

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<v Speaker 2>prune these things. So this is so important. Butterfly bush

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<v Speaker 2>is one of those plants that you definitely want to

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<v Speaker 2>prune to make sure it stays nice and compact, maintains

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<v Speaker 2>that really nice habit and flowers from top to bottom,

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<v Speaker 2>because that amazing ability to regrow that we were just

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<v Speaker 2>discussing also means that if a butterfly bush is not trimmed,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just going to keep going up and up and

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<v Speaker 2>up and up and get really tall, really lanky, look

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<v Speaker 2>super weird, and then you don't even get to enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>the flowers.

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<v Speaker 1>Prune hard and it helps stimulate blooming lass it does,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just yeah, it's important.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you don't know where to prune it, the

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<v Speaker 2>best thing to do is to wait until it starts

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<v Speaker 2>to grow, because then the plant is going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you exactly where it is alive. You can cut back

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<v Speaker 2>to just above there, and then all the energy that

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<v Speaker 2>the plant has will grow into those you know, remaining

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<v Speaker 2>shoots or buds, and the plant will start to grow

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<v Speaker 2>and again and bloom so fast you will not even

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<v Speaker 2>believe it's possible. I wouldn't have believed it if I

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<v Speaker 2>saw it myself. So a fascinating plant to have great

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<v Speaker 2>summer color, NonStop flowers. You know, that's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things I loved about seeing the one in my neighbor's yard.

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<v Speaker 2>Just that purple, that deep true purple, looks so good

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<v Speaker 2>with all of summer's colors, all the reds, all the yellows,

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff I have in my garden.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course it attracts butterflies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the butterflies exactly a magnet for and hummingbirds.

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<v Speaker 2>So a great plant with unique color and a plant

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<v Speaker 2>that will, I think inspire you, whether it survives winter

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<v Speaker 2>without any damage, or for those winters where it might

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<v Speaker 2>get a little damage but will redeem itself shortly. So

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<v Speaker 2>only have time for about three questions and sometimes not

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<v Speaker 2>even that. So you can also reach us at Proven Winners,

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<v Speaker 2>color choice dot com and get an answer for your

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<v Speaker 2>question from a professional horticulturist who actually cares about your success.

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<v Speaker 2>So we do want to make sure that we are

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<v Speaker 2>helping you out in a timely manner, So don't hesitate

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<v Speaker 2>to reach out to us other ways if we can't

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<v Speaker 2>get to you on this show. Who do we have

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<v Speaker 2>this week?

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy Scott writes to us, hanging baskets. Our front porch

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<v Speaker 1>is covered heavy shade, and we struggle keeping hanging baskets

427
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<v Speaker 1>looking good beyond a few weeks. This goes for flowers

428
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<v Speaker 1>and plants that are supposed to be better in the shade. Example,

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<v Speaker 1>given two Berus pogonias, what are we doing wrong right?

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<v Speaker 2>So? Well, first of all, I think two bris pogonias

431
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<v Speaker 2>kind of need their own little exemption carved out of

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<v Speaker 2>what we're saying. We did recently do a whole show

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<v Speaker 2>on hanging baskets where we gave a lot of advice.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know now probably a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 2>is since that show actually probably have hanging baskets in

436
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<v Speaker 2>their yard at this point and are maybe wondering what

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<v Speaker 2>to do. So I do want to say and Ricky

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this in that episode hanging Basket. There are

439
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<v Speaker 2>usually the soil less media in them is typically a

440
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<v Speaker 2>peat base media and peat moss will become hydrophobic, which

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<v Speaker 2>is to say it becomes very difficult to rewet if

442
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<v Speaker 2>it gets dry and you in the garden center, most

443
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<v Speaker 2>hanging baskets are on drip, so they're constantly getting like

444
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<v Speaker 2>a low supply of water and that prevents the soil

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<v Speaker 2>from drying out once it gets to your house. If

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<v Speaker 2>that soil service is exposed because it's still young and

447
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<v Speaker 2>hasn't filled in fully or whatever, and it dries out,

448
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<v Speaker 2>it becomes very very hard to rewet that. So what

449
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<v Speaker 2>happens is you're sitting there watering, the water's flowing out

450
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<v Speaker 2>the bottom and you're patting yourself on the back that

451
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<v Speaker 2>you need did a great job, but you actually have

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<v Speaker 2>not wet any of the roots whatsoever. So it's something

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<v Speaker 2>you need to be really careful of. I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>if your hanging basket isn't doing well, take it down.

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<v Speaker 2>You're probably not going to be able to solve any

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<v Speaker 2>hanging basket issues from the ground when it is up

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<v Speaker 2>in the air hanging wherever you have place because you

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<v Speaker 2>can't get a good look at it, and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>only way you're going to know it's almost certainly a

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<v Speaker 2>water issue. You know, very rarely is this going to

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<v Speaker 2>be any kind of disease. And if it is a disease,

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<v Speaker 2>then it's a disease that was probably caused by too

463
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<v Speaker 2>much water rather than something that was like actually wrong

464
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<v Speaker 2>with the plant. So take it down if it has

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<v Speaker 2>if it's too dry, and you'll be able to tell

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<v Speaker 2>it when you take it down because they'll feel really light.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of you know, it's a I think a

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<v Speaker 2>skill you develop, but once you've experimented with it, you

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<v Speaker 2>know pretty well. So take it down if it's very dry,

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<v Speaker 2>dunk it in water, so don't you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>leave it in standing water. But that will help to

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<v Speaker 2>fully rewet the entire volume of soil rather than just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, dribbling a bit of water from the top.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can treat it just like you would anything

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<v Speaker 2>else and use that bottom watering technique to fully saturate

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<v Speaker 2>it and that will help a lot in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>actually keeping it healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, so sorry ahead, there's plenty of wonderful plants to

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<v Speaker 1>grow in the shape I agree Stacey that soil or

480
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<v Speaker 1>soillest mix can become hydrophobic. Combined with that the roots

481
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<v Speaker 1>tend to mass on the surface also, so yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>water that you think you're applying is hitting the surface

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<v Speaker 1>heading over to the sides of the basket. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>dried out. At some point that soil has contracted from

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the basket and so that water is

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<v Speaker 1>just simply running down the side and out the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with taking them down. In the garden center,

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<v Speaker 1>you're dealing with thousands of hanging baskets. The way we

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<v Speaker 1>do it is as you walk along, you just push

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<v Speaker 1>up on the basket. You can tell instantly whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>dry to wet. It's a good way to monitor. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when you take it down again for a basket

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<v Speaker 1>at home, I use the screwdriver method. I just poke

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<v Speaker 1>some holes. Yeah, in that soil surface. It makes a

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<v Speaker 1>big difference.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good easy thing to do. I do want

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<v Speaker 2>to say briefly, though, Scott, about Tuberspegonia's beautiful, but they

498
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<v Speaker 2>can be pretty tricky to grow because they are tuberous

499
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<v Speaker 2>as the name suggests, and that big old tuber in

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<v Speaker 2>there is very sensitive to poor drainage and watering. If

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<v Speaker 2>it gets too wet, it will start to rot. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a plant that needs a lot of water. But

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<v Speaker 2>also if it gets too much water, it can rot

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<v Speaker 2>really easily. So as gorgeous and tempting as they are,

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<v Speaker 2>they can be a little bit tricky.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe try some fibrous pogonias instead of tuberous pagonias and

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<v Speaker 1>that may work better.

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<v Speaker 2>And same with like all these beautiful like angel wing pogonias,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bonfire and on all of that a great choice.

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<v Speaker 2>So also the other thing is you might maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>garden or the area is not as shady as you

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<v Speaker 2>think it is for the plants, because sometimes, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>we're dealing with locations close to the house, the house

514
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<v Speaker 2>bounces a lot of light back into the plants and

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<v Speaker 2>it can actually make the spot less shady than you

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<v Speaker 2>might assume. So if you're getting something specific, Scott, send

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<v Speaker 2>us a picture so we know what you're dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>and can help you specifically. But I would say, whenever

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<v Speaker 2>anything's going wrong, take it down, get to the root

520
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.119
<v Speaker 2>of the problem, and then once you resolved it, then

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<v Speaker 2>it can go back up.

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<v Speaker 1>Many times, people in that situation will default to Boston ferns.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, can't go wrong with the Boston fern. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a classic.

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<v Speaker 1>Suzanne writes, Hello, love the show. I'm a fellow Michigander.

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<v Speaker 1>Have been listening for the past couple of years. It's

527
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<v Speaker 1>therapy in my car. I love the comedian Jim Gaffigan.

528
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<v Speaker 1>He asked this past weekend, is there a recovery program

529
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<v Speaker 1>for gardening? He did good, quite, yes, he did so.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in six B southeast side. These roses were planted

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<v Speaker 1>in the house I moved into four years ago, learning

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<v Speaker 1>about them, started caring for them, attempting, pruning, fertilizing. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe I did everything right in terms of pruning and fertilizing.

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<v Speaker 1>They seem to be doing great. Last week with no

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<v Speaker 1>spots on the foliage. I turned my back for one second.

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<v Speaker 1>This week, I'm noticing a good spots on the leaves

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<v Speaker 1>Larva looking things. Hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so what you are experiencing, Suzanne, is definitely common

539
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<v Speaker 2>for rose growers in late spring. Everything's going along just fine,

540
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<v Speaker 2>and there seems to be this point that they reach

541
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<v Speaker 2>where they're well known tendency to attract certain pests explodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now aphids. I wouldn't really worry about. You know, I

543
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 2>have definitely seen bad aphis on roses where it will

544
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<v Speaker 2>cause the buds to actually weep. But you know, their

545
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<v Speaker 2>roses are pretty sturdy. They're easy to like wipe the

546
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<v Speaker 2>aphids off of rinse the aphis off, and they really

547
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<v Speaker 2>don't cause that much trouble except kind of their stickiness

548
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.119
<v Speaker 2>and just general grossness. The other thing that you're seeing

549
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<v Speaker 2>is something that if people aren't already seeing it, they

550
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 2>will be very soon, and it's confusing pests. It is

551
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:54.519
<v Speaker 2>the rose slug. And I find this one so fascinating

552
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<v Speaker 2>because it basically causes two different types of damage when

553
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<v Speaker 2>it so it's called a rose lug. It's like a sawfly.

554
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<v Speaker 2>So it's a little larvae and they're clear. So they

555
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<v Speaker 2>start eating the rose foliage and they turn the exact

556
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<v Speaker 2>shade of your rose foliage. And when they're in this

557
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>really small, tiny larval state, so after the mother softly

558
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.359
<v Speaker 2>laser eggs on the plant, when they're still in that

559
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:25.799
<v Speaker 2>really tiny state, their little jaws are too small and

560
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<v Speaker 2>too weak to actually get through the entire leaf surface

561
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<v Speaker 2>of the plant, so they can only chew through the

562
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.240
<v Speaker 2>top of the leaf. They can't go all the way

563
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:36.559
<v Speaker 2>through because they're just so little, and it makes us

564
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:42.480
<v Speaker 2>window like damage, this very specific window like damage. And

565
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<v Speaker 2>then as they start to age a little bit more,

566
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<v Speaker 2>then they can actually get all the way through and

567
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:51.079
<v Speaker 2>they make these kind of meandering sort of sea shape.

568
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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to call them. I guess channels is

569
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<v Speaker 2>the thing, because they go all the way through and

570
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:58.359
<v Speaker 2>they don't eat the leaf ribs, so you see these

571
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.920
<v Speaker 2>weird kind of meandering channel in that. And it's all

572
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:04.240
<v Speaker 2>the same insect, so it's not like it's a separate thing.

573
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<v Speaker 2>It's all the same one. Now, the easiest time to

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<v Speaker 2>spot these little guys is early in the morning when

575
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:13.759
<v Speaker 2>they're still moving, kind of start just starting to feed,

576
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.319
<v Speaker 2>and you have to look on the underside of the leaf.

577
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.240
<v Speaker 2>And the first couple times that you look for one,

578
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.039
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be tricky. They're very hard to pick out.

579
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<v Speaker 2>But after a couple of times you'll start to pick

580
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.839
<v Speaker 2>them out and I just smash them, you know, I

581
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>smash as many as I see. It's a fairly useful

582
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>control method if you're not overly squeamish and have a

583
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:34.720
<v Speaker 2>little bit of time on your hands, because that's what

584
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:36.559
<v Speaker 2>gardening is about is just being out there with your

585
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.599
<v Speaker 2>plants and checking them out. The other thing you can

586
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 2>do if your roses are a disease resistant or continuous

587
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>blooming landscape rose, then what you can do is go

588
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>ahead and just give them a light trim. Because these

589
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:54.599
<v Speaker 2>rose slugs stick on the top most folly and so

590
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 2>they don't go way down deep onto the other folaginals.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a very serious infestation. If you just give

592
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 2>it a light trim. I know it's going to be

593
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a heartbreak. You're probably trimming off

594
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.519
<v Speaker 2>flower buds, but not to worry. That will get rid

595
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>of all of the slugs on your plants. Give the

596
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:13.119
<v Speaker 2>plant a chance to recover well. The rose slug is like, hey,

597
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.079
<v Speaker 2>no new growth here for me to lay my eggs on.

598
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:17.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go find a rose it does have new growth,

599
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:20.839
<v Speaker 2>and then by the time your plant actually leaves out again,

600
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:21.920
<v Speaker 2>they've moved on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great advice, and I would feed it at the

602
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<v Speaker 1>same time. When you do that print.

603
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<v Speaker 2>Definitely good advice. Make sure that you give it that

604
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.359
<v Speaker 2>little extra boost of energy to help it recover from

605
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 2>that pruning. But that is the best, easiest, non toxic

606
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 2>way to manage rose slugs because yeah, they can get

607
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<v Speaker 2>pretty bad, but I don't know. I find them fascinating

608
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:46.279
<v Speaker 2>a slug fest anyway. Thank you so much for your questions,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you have a question for us, remember you

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<v Speaker 2>can reach us at Gardening Simplified on air dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a break. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we're picking up our conversation about big plants. You won't

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<v Speaker 2>want to miss it, so stay tuned. Thanks for listening

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Today for branching news,

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<v Speaker 1>we continue talking about big impact plants and I did

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<v Speaker 1>have to mention to you stay see this story that

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<v Speaker 1>I saw in the news. Talk about big in your

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<v Speaker 1>front yard. A Norwegian man managed to sleep through an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous container ship running aground on his front lawn. Johann Hellberg,

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<v Speaker 1>who lives in Norway, was woken by his neighbor on

625
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Thursday morning and asked if he had noticed a boat outside.

626
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<v Speaker 1>TV two Norway reported when he looked out his door,

627
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>he saw a four hundred and forty three foot container

628
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:56.240
<v Speaker 1>ship parked.

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<v Speaker 2>In his front ear Oh yikes, mm hmm.

630
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<v Speaker 1>We'll give you the link in show notes and here

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube. But yes, a container ship ran aground in

632
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:07.640
<v Speaker 1>his front yard. He slept right through.

633
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<v Speaker 2>Well that's not very ornamental.

634
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you are so right talking about large impact plants

635
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>and maybe tropical on a budget. How about castor beans?

636
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh? I love them, I mean boom.

637
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Can you know the ones I've planted have gotten twelve

638
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:31.199
<v Speaker 1>to fifteen feet in one season. I had some planted

639
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:32.920
<v Speaker 1>next to popcorn plant.

640
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Both of those really going for that tropical.

641
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and once the weather gets hot, it's like wow.

642
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Other big impact plants, ligular area, the rocket and I

643
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.679
<v Speaker 1>like big green tractor. It's also known as tractor seat,

644
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.199
<v Speaker 1>big foliage that looks like a tractor seat.

645
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, tractor seat is what they call it in the South.

646
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.440
<v Speaker 2>With the first time I was on some tour with

647
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.639
<v Speaker 2>some Southerners, they said something about and I was like, what,

648
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.239
<v Speaker 2>I like tractor seat. That's that plant. I was like,

649
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 2>that is so funny.

650
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Fun to grow. I have one of my plant, yep

651
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:17.280
<v Speaker 1>rod Jersey. If you've got rich humisy consistently moist soils

652
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:23.679
<v Speaker 1>in part shade. That plant was named after our honors

653
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Rear Admiral John Rogers, a distinguished American naval officer who

654
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 1>commanded a expedition in the mid eighteen hundreds and the

655
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:39.960
<v Speaker 1>first species of this genus was discovered. You look at

656
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 1>other plants we mentioned elephant ear, Your allocacious odora was

657
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:50.400
<v Speaker 1>one that I loved getting into the garden center. It

658
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:55.679
<v Speaker 1>made a real impact. Always have difficulty pronouncing this one,

659
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:58.079
<v Speaker 1>but I think I got it. Simysifuga.

660
00:35:58.360 --> 00:35:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that was a very cool plant.

661
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did I get that right? Did?

662
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

663
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a cool one called chocoholic. Some people call

664
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 1>it snakeroot plant or bugbane in reference to the old

665
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:16.679
<v Speaker 1>differous insect repellent properties of the plant. They look like

666
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:18.079
<v Speaker 1>giant a stillby plants.

667
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, these are all plants that Rick just listed that

668
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.440
<v Speaker 2>need moist soil. So if you have shade and you

669
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:27.079
<v Speaker 2>have moist soil, great choices. There's a lot of plants

670
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:29.400
<v Speaker 2>like this. I feel like that are good for moist shade.

671
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.679
<v Speaker 2>You know that have the big boffo foliage if you

672
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.000
<v Speaker 2>have if you live in a warm climate and you

673
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:36.800
<v Speaker 2>have wet soil, you can also grow gunnera.

674
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I was just gonna bring that right.

675
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Don't you love gunnara?

676
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:43.840
<v Speaker 1>It's so jealous some areas, like I think in England,

677
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to get you to not right the plant.

678
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Because it's so invasive.

679
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:56.079
<v Speaker 1>There, huge foliage. I remember being in Vancouver Queen Elizabeth Park, huge,

680
00:36:56.360 --> 00:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, and everybody wants to get their picture taken time, right, Yeah.

681
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:02.159
<v Speaker 2>The first one that I saw in real life, I

682
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.039
<v Speaker 2>had to have my picture taken in front of Yes,

683
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 2>that's right, but definitely not hardy for us here in Michigan.

684
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:10.920
<v Speaker 1>It makes for a great selfie in social media. Joe

685
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Pie Weed and we had a lavender show that we

686
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 1>did a few weeks ago. Go back and visit it.

687
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.360
<v Speaker 1>But Stacey, we talked about phenomenal lavender. That's you know again,

688
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.239
<v Speaker 1>it's all relative. But when it comes to lavender, talk

689
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 1>about a big plant. Of course. I love grasses, so

690
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:36.039
<v Speaker 1>the giant misscanthus. I like the ravenna grass or arianthus.

691
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina State University calls it hardy pampas grass, But

692
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.599
<v Speaker 1>boy does that thing get big in one season.

693
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 2>It is very cool to see those grasses that get

694
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:47.320
<v Speaker 2>so big and you just you know, one of the

695
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:49.920
<v Speaker 2>things that I think is so fascinating when I'm looking

696
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 2>at these plants and this is like, I don't know,

697
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.400
<v Speaker 2>such a weird thing to think, but I kind of

698
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 2>can't help it as I just think about the number

699
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.920
<v Speaker 2>of cells they had to produce to get that big,

700
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:01.480
<v Speaker 2>so many cells.

701
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:02.360
<v Speaker 1>And how fast it goes.

702
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's crazy.

703
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I know. My mind works the same way with steria.

704
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.480
<v Speaker 1>What about wisteria. Here's a plant that you got to

705
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:11.760
<v Speaker 1>show whose boss? You know. You think about some of

706
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:15.719
<v Speaker 1>these vines, like trumpet vine or wisteria, I guess if

707
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.039
<v Speaker 1>you have the room, if you have the support, well,

708
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.840
<v Speaker 1>more power to you. Some people would say I would

709
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:25.320
<v Speaker 1>never plant a trumpet what an invasive. Yeah, I understand,

710
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:28.679
<v Speaker 1>but in some areas, especially if you're willing to neglect

711
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:32.199
<v Speaker 1>the plant or get tough with it, like rit pruning,

712
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:37.599
<v Speaker 1>which is what I recommend for wisteria. Obviously, get very big,

713
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:38.679
<v Speaker 1>grow very quickly.

714
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you have a spot where you can just

715
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:44.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of let it go to a trumpet vine, you

716
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.400
<v Speaker 2>will never have more hummingbirds in your entire life. It's

717
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:50.159
<v Speaker 2>worth it. They do need, they do need their space

718
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 2>or some aggressive management. But for that reason, I really

719
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 2>do wish I could have one, but I don't think

720
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:56.719
<v Speaker 2>my neighbors would appreciate it.

721
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:04.400
<v Speaker 1>How about bears breeches canthus, I mean that, wow, interesting flowers.

722
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Some people will say, hey, don't plant it almost impossible

723
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:12.079
<v Speaker 1>to eradicate out of a planting bed. But when you're

724
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:17.320
<v Speaker 1>talking about bold thistle like foliage, bears breeches is well,

725
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a It's an architectural presence, is what it is.

726
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And you know, people think of a canthus as

727
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 2>a warm climate plant, and the one that is most

728
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:31.440
<v Speaker 2>often depicted at the in the Grecian columns is actually

729
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:34.800
<v Speaker 2>a warm climate canthus. But there are hardy ones that

730
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.320
<v Speaker 2>you can find. They're not usually around in garden centers,

731
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.840
<v Speaker 2>but if you are so inclined, you can definitely grow

732
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:44.960
<v Speaker 2>a certain one in cold climates and enjoy it. You

733
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:46.880
<v Speaker 2>might need to find someone who already has one to

734
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:48.920
<v Speaker 2>give you some plants, but they are prickly, but they're

735
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:49.480
<v Speaker 2>very cool.

736
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Sitting in my office the other day, looking out the

737
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:57.880
<v Speaker 1>window and watching the beautiful Baltimore orioles who were feasting

738
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:03.480
<v Speaker 1>on the orange pieces outside of my office on a feeder,

739
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:05.679
<v Speaker 1>and they're so colorful. But it caused me to think

740
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>about how much I love also the yellow finches, especially

741
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:14.360
<v Speaker 1>in spring, and how bright they are. And then doing

742
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:18.800
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of research, it was strongly recommended that

743
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.280
<v Speaker 1>cup plant or sylphium is something you might want a

744
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 1>plant if you like finches. What's been your.

745
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh experience in late summer, it is the finch

746
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.960
<v Speaker 2>hot spot of my entire neighborhood. So they love, love,

747
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:36.440
<v Speaker 2>love the seeds, and these plants do set so much seed,

748
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.880
<v Speaker 2>and so they're also your right hand man there in

749
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:42.320
<v Speaker 2>managing this plant, which can spread aggressively from seed because

750
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 2>they're eating so many of them. But between the fact

751
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:47.679
<v Speaker 2>that they produce so much seed that the goldfinches love

752
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:52.400
<v Speaker 2>the cup, so the foliage actually surrounds the big, thick,

753
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>square stem and makes kind of a cup like structure

754
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.920
<v Speaker 2>that will hold rain or irrigation water. So between having

755
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 2>that water and all of those seeds, they just they

756
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:04.880
<v Speaker 2>mob it, they mobbit. My neighbor says, she just loves

757
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.719
<v Speaker 2>to sit there with her binoculars and just watch the

758
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.840
<v Speaker 2>finches just have a field day on my Sofia.

759
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:12.880
<v Speaker 1>When would you say your plant is in prime?

760
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Uh, probably about the last two weeks of July.

761
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, which is ideal because at that time you start

762
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.760
<v Speaker 1>getting some of the globe thistle mm hmm. And the

763
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:26.559
<v Speaker 1>finches breed later in the year or not and spring,

764
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.079
<v Speaker 1>and so yeah, that's that's pretty cool.

765
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.239
<v Speaker 2>And plus my neighbors have finch feeders. So between the

766
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.320
<v Speaker 2>three things, you know, there they are. They are coming

767
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 2>out in drugs and it is a lot of fun

768
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:38.480
<v Speaker 2>to watch. And that's a plant too that you know,

769
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.760
<v Speaker 2>it starts from nothing and then you know by the

770
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:43.440
<v Speaker 2>time July rolls around, it's sent feet tall.

771
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. A plant that I always enjoyed in the Michigan

772
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:51.559
<v Speaker 1>State University Garden was the Rudbeckias, the tall cone flower.

773
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Maxima, Yeah, I love that one with a big

774
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:56.719
<v Speaker 2>blue fold. Such a cool plant.

775
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a great plant. Also to consider, for years

776
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I've grown Helianthus like lemon queen. They can just get

777
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:09.360
<v Speaker 1>strikingly large. Just a great plant again if you're looking

778
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:14.880
<v Speaker 1>for that quick size. And I have to mention Stacy

779
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:18.239
<v Speaker 1>that even though this isn't an herbaceous plant or a

780
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:20.760
<v Speaker 1>plant grown from seed. Oh, by the way, just popped

781
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.920
<v Speaker 1>into my head. Also, I've got to mention the hyacinth

782
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:28.760
<v Speaker 1>bean again. If you're on a budget, you want tropical,

783
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:32.440
<v Speaker 1>you want fast, you want size, a great plant to

784
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:35.760
<v Speaker 1>put in the ground for size, But when it comes

785
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:40.559
<v Speaker 1>to size in the landscape, I just feel you cannot

786
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:44.280
<v Speaker 1>beat viburnums. I love viburnums, don't you.

787
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:48.679
<v Speaker 2>I do. I really do like viburnums. I don't have

788
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:50.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them, but I do love them as

789
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:54.480
<v Speaker 2>a foliage plant because sometimes, you know, viburnums are considered derresistent,

790
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 2>but they do very often eat the flowers, so they

791
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.239
<v Speaker 2>leave the plants alone. So you gotta be if you

792
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.079
<v Speaker 2>have dear, you've got to grow a viburnum that you

793
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.000
<v Speaker 2>can appreciate for its foliage, because you probably are not

794
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 2>going to be able to enjoy the flowers at least

795
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:08.360
<v Speaker 2>that's been my experience exactly.

796
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:11.599
<v Speaker 1>And then of course I love the bloomerang lilacs, the

797
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:15.519
<v Speaker 1>miss Kim lilacs, because boy, they helped me get control

798
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:19.000
<v Speaker 1>in my landscape. Because those old French lilacs, yes, they're

799
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.920
<v Speaker 1>something else and they're fragrant, but boy, I've seen some

800
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:23.400
<v Speaker 1>big ones in my dear Oh.

801
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:25.280
<v Speaker 2>They do. They can get quite large because they have

802
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:29.039
<v Speaker 2>a suckering habit, so they kind of keep colonizing an area.

803
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'd love to hear about your favorite big plants.

804
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.440
<v Speaker 1>The list could go on and on, and maybe we'll

805
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.800
<v Speaker 1>do a future show again on more big plants, but

806
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.199
<v Speaker 1>certainly a fun thing to talk about. Go Big or

807
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Go Home. Thank you Stacy, thank you Rick, Thanks Adriana,

808
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.159
<v Speaker 1>and thanks most of all to you for watching us

809
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:52.559
<v Speaker 1>on YouTube, listening to the podcast, listening to us on radio.

810
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Have a great week.
