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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening to Depictions Media Radio. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Policy and Rights, the show about Welcome to Policy and

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<v Speaker 1>human Rights. Welcome back to Policy and Race. Here in

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<v Speaker 1>Depictions Media Radio, I'm your host, Michael Cloggs. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to share with you a conversation that I had with

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<v Speaker 1>a friend who actually resides in Bay Road. He was

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<v Speaker 1>born there, he grew up there, and he is now

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<v Speaker 1>watching his beautiful country being tore part by war. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>having lived there as many years as he has, he

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<v Speaker 1>has also watched different factions of warlords and civil war

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<v Speaker 1>also affect his country as a child. Sam Ra Ballon

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<v Speaker 1>is a filmmaker who makes documentaries. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>is how we first met was on a documentary shoot

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<v Speaker 1>where we were recording an economic conference that was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to bring about a new economy UH for for people

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<v Speaker 1>that would that would join all the people around the

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<v Speaker 1>world in a spectacular way. We heard a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>ideas and to this date it has been a struggle

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<v Speaker 1>to actually find a way so that everyone can have equality,

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<v Speaker 1>not only financially but also politically. So that is the

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<v Speaker 1>the hopes and in ideas of uh Samer Sammer's documentaries

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<v Speaker 1>and the work that he does, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why he recorded a young lady. At the time

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<v Speaker 1>when he first met her, Mariam was twelve years old,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're speaking about her now nine years later because

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<v Speaker 1>of what is happening in Lebanon today, that the Israeli

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<v Speaker 1>Defense Force has crossed the borders in an invasion into Lebanon,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're saying that, of course their goal is to

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<v Speaker 1>stop the Hasbalah and to stop others, the others from

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<v Speaker 1>trying to harm their country. And as a result, whenever

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<v Speaker 1>there is a war, and you're gonna hear Samra say

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<v Speaker 1>this also that it is civilian population, not the combatants,

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<v Speaker 1>that pay the highest price. It is the civilian population

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<v Speaker 1>that takes the blunt force of military actions and this

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<v Speaker 1>particular war, even though there are rules of engagement that

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<v Speaker 1>say not the tax Savilian sites and not to attack

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<v Speaker 1>civilians at all while those rules are in place, while

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<v Speaker 1>in combat those rules may be ignored. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hear I'm going to share with you this com rotation

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<v Speaker 1>I had with him just a couple of days ago,

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<v Speaker 1>as he's trying to himself find an exit strategy out

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<v Speaker 1>and also help Mariam find an exit strategy for herself.

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<v Speaker 1>So why don't we listen in on what Salmon and

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about, and as we talk about the war

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<v Speaker 1>in Lebanon between the Lebanese government and the Israeli government,

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<v Speaker 1>and as we talk about other issues and tools that

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<v Speaker 1>are used around the world under the guise of hatred.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm here today with with Samura Bayoun and he's

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<v Speaker 1>actually in Beirute right right now, trying to You're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to exit to what is it the United Kingdom or France?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, my my closest friend and I are looking for

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<v Speaker 2>a legal way too, uh leave Lebanon permanently. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a Canadian passport, she does not. Uh, So we're looking

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<v Speaker 2>for the best option to just leave the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, and that that seems like a wise decision

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<v Speaker 1>at the at this point, m So, I mean, this

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<v Speaker 1>this wasn't wasn't happening in a vacuum. This was could

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<v Speaker 1>have been foreseen, couldn't it. Well if relad deciding to

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<v Speaker 1>cross the border and send troops.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, we we We've been going through uh, various

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<v Speaker 2>collapses or whatever you want to call them, for the

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<v Speaker 2>past five years. It started with the with the economic

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<v Speaker 2>collapse in twenty nine and towards the end of twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and then was followed up with the you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>COVID lockdown and the Beaute explosion of August four, twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, we all this time, we just kept

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<v Speaker 2>on saying, you know, we'll just bear it out and

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<v Speaker 2>bear it out. Eventually things will get better. And things

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<v Speaker 2>don't get better than October seven happened. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we we thought it was just going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>limited thing. And here we are a year later. There's

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<v Speaker 2>really invaded Lebanon, and you know, things are a lot worse,

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<v Speaker 2>much much worse. We're the Lebanon. Most of Lebanon is

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<v Speaker 2>being bought. The South is not livable anymore. It's more

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<v Speaker 2>than one million refugees in the south, and these little

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<v Speaker 2>Beanese refugees. We're not counting the Syrian refugees or the

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian refugees back from the fourties. So yeah, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So, And because because they rooted itself is a big city,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not uh, some small town or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So I guess everybody's trying to get to

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<v Speaker 1>uh to be rooted for that reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Bay Route, yes, it is a big city,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are other places where refugees are going. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>as far north as a B which is like almost

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<v Speaker 2>near Bay, that's really far north. There are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of communities that have sprung out throughout the route, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from here, not just in their roots, is

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. Where they're helping out with the refugees,

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<v Speaker 2>providing food, some even providing shelter. But you know, resources

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<v Speaker 2>are already stretched because we're in the economic disaster here

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<v Speaker 2>to begin with. And uh yeah, so we're helping out

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<v Speaker 2>as much as we can.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, yeah, because uh, I know, the the

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<v Speaker 1>United Nations and the who have have had maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>so much in in we're in Beirut specifically, but I

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<v Speaker 1>know in Lebanon they've they've had had outlets there to

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<v Speaker 1>help people because of because of the economic collapse and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and then and then the explosion at the Port of

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<v Speaker 1>Favor Grace mm hm so but it at this point though,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're talking about all they started, they've up

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<v Speaker 1>started UNIFIL and all that kind of stuff. But how

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<v Speaker 1>do you have a peacekeeping mission if another country is

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<v Speaker 1>just outright attack.

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<v Speaker 2>UNIFILL mostly are there as observers. They can't much interfere

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<v Speaker 2>militarily on either side. Uh. They're there to observe that

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<v Speaker 2>the whatever resolutions like seventeen oh one and the other

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<v Speaker 2>resolutions are implemented, and to provide assistance when they can,

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<v Speaker 2>but they pretty much have their hands tied. They can't

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<v Speaker 2>do much of anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, yes, I mean, well, well both both countries

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<v Speaker 1>are you in nations, But it's it's like, well, i mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you how do you say you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do have a peacekeeping mission when one country is just

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<v Speaker 1>outrighty being attacked and the other one is is doing

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<v Speaker 1>the attacking. It's like it seemed like the politically the

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<v Speaker 1>solutions are being put forth are forgetting that the real

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<v Speaker 1>people involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, But that's true of any time of any

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<v Speaker 2>war that happens, or any kind of aggression that happens.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the civilians that usually ends up paying the price

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<v Speaker 2>either way. And this signds no exception. The toll is

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<v Speaker 2>especially high on the liber East side because we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any kind of advanced systems to defend against missiles

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<v Speaker 2>or airplanes, or we don't even have an anti you know,

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<v Speaker 2>anti anti aircraft protection system. It's non existent there. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're we're like, how how should I best put it?

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<v Speaker 2>Like the attacker is extreme severior superior force, like disproportional

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<v Speaker 2>superior force. When it comes to you know, what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, he's focusing all, well, the Hesbala has has all

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<v Speaker 1>these arms and are they are they truly organized enough

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<v Speaker 1>to to defend to defend Lebanon if that if that's

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<v Speaker 1>where they they were the the effective army, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're not an effective army. They're not an army.

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're not an official army. It's what I should say.

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<v Speaker 2>They are a militia, like many different militias that existed

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<v Speaker 2>during the Civil War hesball and specifically was born out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Ammal movement. The movement was a movement at

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<v Speaker 2>least when it started as part you know, before the

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<v Speaker 2>Civil War and the movement to you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>empower the disenfranchised southerners of Lebanon who happened to be

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<v Speaker 2>mostly Muslims, uh. And you know, then the Civil War

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<v Speaker 2>happened and everything went to hell, and all the political

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<v Speaker 2>parties became militias that participated in the war along with

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<v Speaker 2>the warlords, you know, the head of their parties, who

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<v Speaker 2>are now, by the way, our current leaders, our current elite,

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<v Speaker 2>are politicians. Habana was an offshoot of Amman and it

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<v Speaker 2>only came into existence after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon

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<v Speaker 2>and specific in Deir Routes all the which they hut

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they're not really a governing party at all.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we are divided amongst eighteen different sects, and each

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<v Speaker 2>sect has one or two of its own political parties,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're always they're sometimes at odds with each other,

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<v Speaker 2>but in essence they're all in cahoots with each other.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, because of how corrupt they are already

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<v Speaker 2>in their warlords, how less corrupt that teach or work

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<v Speaker 2>warlords or whatever. So they've been robbing the public resources

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<v Speaker 2>or at least dividing them among themselves and their cronies.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is one of the reasons why we've we've

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<v Speaker 2>reached this economic collapse in twenty nineteen. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>husband as part of all.

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<v Speaker 1>Of that, and it was one of their storage storage

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<v Speaker 1>units or whatever that may have initiated the the ammonium

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<v Speaker 1>nitrate that was at the at the port.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's not per se there storage festility. It's more

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<v Speaker 2>it's a storage facility at the port. There are several

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<v Speaker 2>parties that are in charge of the port and the

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<v Speaker 2>several you know of the cronies of the political parties

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<v Speaker 2>that have been a benefiting a lot from the port,

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<v Speaker 2>of the records, of the books kind of thing, you know, money, bribes, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So uh, I prefer looking at the facts as they

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<v Speaker 2>are and in in my view, the port explosion, this

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<v Speaker 2>whole fiasco, this whole mess is just a it's just

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<v Speaker 2>the result of that corruption and you know, compounded negligence

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<v Speaker 2>and incompetence of the people that have been that are

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<v Speaker 2>running the place. Uh. Yeah, so because because if if

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<v Speaker 2>we I can't see with the facts that this can

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<v Speaker 2>be blamed on one party and you know, none of

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<v Speaker 2>the can be absorbed of this tragedy because they're all guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>They all had a hand, they all knew about it,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody did anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you shared with me a video of of of

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<v Speaker 1>a young girl. You you have a probable exit out

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<v Speaker 1>of out of the country. What about the people like her?

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have a way out? And you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>how how do how do they actually find help in

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<v Speaker 1>safety in all well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well to to talk a bit about Madam first, Madam

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<v Speaker 2>used to be what is what that she was? She's

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<v Speaker 2>still alive, but she was a flower, young flower cellar

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<v Speaker 2>in the streets of Hana. She's a refugee from Syria.

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<v Speaker 2>She has no documentation, no no league to travel papers,

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<v Speaker 2>specify or even to that effect, identity papers because they

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<v Speaker 2>fled Syria when she was young and she doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the age of twelve, she was selling flowers

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<v Speaker 2>on streets of Beirut and everybody knew her in the streets,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, when it came time I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>do something about refugees, I found her and we had

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation and we shot the Spittal documentary and it

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<v Speaker 2>was all about her hopes and aspirations for the future.

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<v Speaker 2>One of her aspirations was to go back to school.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried my best to help her get back to school,

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<v Speaker 2>but that didn't work out because there's no funding. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>will take her because she's undocumented. YadA, YadA, YadA. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean there's a lot of corruption there as well. We

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of that money is pocketed by the same politicians.

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<v Speaker 2>Politicians I mentioned earlier. I heard at that time people

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<v Speaker 2>but you know they don't want to be fact is

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<v Speaker 2>that only fifty percent of children had enough funding to

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<v Speaker 2>go to schools. Yes, there's a proportion of them that

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to go to school. Their parents won't let

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<v Speaker 2>the sense that they're child labor. Put it blunky, as

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<v Speaker 2>it's the case with Maram. But she had her family

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<v Speaker 2>and get educated. But Maram's story is I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 2>more to it than that. We shot this documentary in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen. She was twelve at the time, and two

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<v Speaker 2>years later I wrote a script and my students we

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<v Speaker 2>shot another film with her at this time, a film,

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<v Speaker 2>not a documentary because abandoned. It's about the citizens a

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<v Speaker 2>very gender biased citizenship citizens law in Lebanon which prevents

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<v Speaker 2>women who marry any foreigner to pass on their citizenship

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<v Speaker 2>to their children or their husbands. This law was put

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<v Speaker 2>communities and thus the balance of power. So obviously, naturally

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<v Speaker 2>they go after the women. If a woman marries another man,

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<v Speaker 2>the man's religion. So it's okay for impermissible for men

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<v Speaker 2>in this country to marry foreign women, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and pass on their citizenship and not for women. Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason we chose Madam for this part is because

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<v Speaker 2>of her wish is become an actress if she ever

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<v Speaker 2>gets to Canada. Canada does not on the on the

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<v Speaker 2>various reasons, because she's undocumented, that there's no way to

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<v Speaker 2>take her out anywhere. That said, you know, coming to now,

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<v Speaker 2>in a bit later, but I like to answer your

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<v Speaker 2>remember the correct number, the fifteenth Amendment or clause of

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<v Speaker 2>the article of the United United Nations Universal Declaration of

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<v Speaker 2>within the borders of the country. And it does say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, change one country to another. But that is

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<v Speaker 2>not the case because of the visa system, especially Western

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<v Speaker 2>visa system, which let's say, favors people of the same

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<v Speaker 2>and not Arabs, not people of Asia. And it's much

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<v Speaker 2>harder for someone let's say from Lebanon or East Asia

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<v Speaker 2>or Canada. So there there's a bit of maybe uh uh,

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<v Speaker 2>inadvertent racism that happens there, but it's prevent so in

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<v Speaker 2>my in my opinion, this is a documentary that I

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<v Speaker 2>will be working on at some point, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to show how this entire system of visas, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the way it's structured, the way it discriminates, is a

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<v Speaker 2>violation of human rights. So even even even in the

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<v Speaker 2>Denese person with the Libanes passport can't easily see my

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<v Speaker 2>friend that I told you about. She can't just go

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<v Speaker 2>with me anywhere right now, I my can Egan password,

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<v Speaker 2>I can travel anywhere I want, and I turned down.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't signed up for the evacuation order, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for the evacuation process that's happening right now for Knadians

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<v Speaker 2>because I can't leave her and I can't leave my

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<v Speaker 2>mom alone here. I can't take them with me, right

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<v Speaker 2>So that leaves us with trying to find a means

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<v Speaker 2>we're aiming for in the UK or maybe Portugal. We're

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<v Speaker 2>studying the matter, We're consulting with immigration experts and all that. Madam,

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<v Speaker 2>on the other hand, has new favorites. She has no passport,

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<v Speaker 2>she has as if she does an e so she

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<v Speaker 2>she can't go apply for a visa to begin with. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, she can't go back to Syria to get

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<v Speaker 2>her documentation.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the situation where is not pleasant either for

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<v Speaker 2>Syrians who escaped there, although a lot of them are

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<v Speaker 2>going back now and there's some class It depends on

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<v Speaker 2>which side of the sense you were on, you know

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<v Speaker 2>when this sold the bacles started in Materia. But Madam's

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<v Speaker 2>story run deeper than that. I mean, she was here

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<v Speaker 2>as a child back in twenty sixteen, she was twelve

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<v Speaker 2>years old, and eventually I lost contact with her in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty when the pandemic happened, and it so happened

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<v Speaker 2>that a few weeks ago we finally reconnected by coincidence,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a good thing that we did, because

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<v Speaker 2>we sat down and she told me what had happened

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<v Speaker 2>in the past few years. So apparently she at some

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<v Speaker 2>point during the pandemic she went and reported her father

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<v Speaker 2>for sexual abuse and he was sent to prison for

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<v Speaker 2>three is not more than that. I mean, after he

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<v Speaker 2>got out, he was deported, but then he came back

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<v Speaker 2>into Lebanon and issued a lot of threats to her.

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<v Speaker 2>So the family, her brother and others in her family

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<v Speaker 2>decided to marry her off because you know, then she'll

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<v Speaker 2>be under the protection quote unquote of another man. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, she she got bailed as well, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>part of the whole thing. And you know, she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily like the veil, not doesn't agree with it, but

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<v Speaker 2>she accepts it because you know, she has to maintain

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<v Speaker 2>that within the community. So theoretically speaking, she's protected from

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<v Speaker 2>her father because she's married now, she's nineteen. She got

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<v Speaker 2>married two years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, so there's that happening. She is hiding from

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<v Speaker 2>her father and you know, if he does finally he

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<v Speaker 2>might do who knows what he do. Yeah, so's that

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<v Speaker 2>added to the story. And I've spoken with her and

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<v Speaker 2>I've talked and she is a very wilful and strong

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<v Speaker 2>of this community that she is in because she understands

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<v Speaker 2>that the only hope she has too self actualize herself

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<v Speaker 2>and her dreams is to be away from the community

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<v Speaker 2>and away from the family and to make it out

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<v Speaker 2>on her own. And that's why I'm looking in two

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<v Speaker 2>ways in which, you know, see if anybody is willing

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I know we we shared the first piece she

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<v Speaker 1>did on her on her I spent honestly, I spent

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<v Speaker 1>most of the of a day just sharing with people

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<v Speaker 1>in hopes of trying to find somebody who will be

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<v Speaker 1>she has. You just expanded on what was already a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing story about an amazing person. But I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to a second there because one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things with the US election, the idea of allowing

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants into the United States who are from Arabic countries

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<v Speaker 1>has been politicized there by either side. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>which side of you of people are going to vote

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<v Speaker 1>rather a Democrat or Republican, both of them are public

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<v Speaker 1>are politicizing the idea of allowing people into the country

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<v Speaker 1>and what types of people should we allow into the country.

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<v Speaker 1>And that doesn't seem to be overt racism. That seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be pretty out there and upfront. Uh, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>an Arab, we're just going to be racist.

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<v Speaker 2>Towardia unless you have money and lots of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. Uh, which rolls out a lot of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the Lebanese people.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, pretty much. H So the Libaneses can be resourceful,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I mean pretty much. It puts the Lebanese

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<v Speaker 2>into that category, especially now because you know, there's this

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<v Speaker 2>war with Israel and you know, sort of suddenly everybody

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<v Speaker 2>in eleven on the terrorists.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, That's exactly what. There was a a post on

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<v Speaker 1>x that actually said, alway, is that why we have

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<v Speaker 1>so many so many terrorists in our country? And you

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<v Speaker 1>had both Canadians and Americans timing and on on that one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm hopeful that at least you will find your

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<v Speaker 1>your yourself will find a way along with with your family,

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<v Speaker 1>you know too, to save grounds.

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<v Speaker 2>So h again, I mean it's easy for me to

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<v Speaker 2>leave any moment I want, because as long as the

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<v Speaker 2>airport is open that is, can even passports. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>not PTOM, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, but how do you how do you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of how do you leave loved ones behind like that? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. I mean I'd like to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>something that happened when I was living in Canada, when

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen Harper was Prime Minister back then. You know, he

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<v Speaker 2>put a moratorium on sponsoring parents to come over, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to integrate parents of immigrants. So there's a for me,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just another layer of the racism that exists in

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<v Speaker 2>the system integration process.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as far as the racism is concerned, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter which political part, and it doesn't matter the the

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<v Speaker 1>the country for that matter, because Republicans and the Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>they they find equal number of ways to block people

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<v Speaker 2>Know, statistically speak uh and you know, according to research

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<v Speaker 2>and studies and whatnot, and influx of immigrants is very

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I know where I'm actually sitting right now in

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<v Speaker 1>British Columbia, that the municipality itself is trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>more immigration in because they want to grow the municipality

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<v Speaker 1>into a metropolis.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you hear the grumblings of people that, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they let these criminal types into my neighborhood, and it

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<v Speaker 1>just simply means, let's put it this way. I live

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<v Speaker 1>and I live in an upscale neighborhood myself, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was out walking around the beach one night and I

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<v Speaker 1>got stopped by the police. What are you doing here?

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<v Speaker 1>Then I lived here, It's like, yeah, it's like profiling.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like, oh, and I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it was it was another neighbor who just saw a

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<v Speaker 1>person with with colors or your skin walking walking along

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<v Speaker 1>the beach and they decided to call the police, or

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<v Speaker 1>if it was just somebody the cop itself became himself

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<v Speaker 1>with just driving past and said, why is that dark

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<v Speaker 1>skinned person walking along my beach? I don't know what,

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<v Speaker 1>but profiling and uh, And both countries are are pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I have resident I'm able to reside in either country.

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<v Speaker 2>On that on that topic, uh, I mean, I've studied

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<v Speaker 2>the issue of migrant communities and how let me let

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<v Speaker 2>me paint the picture, because there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>parallels with the Native Americans, how they're being treated they

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<v Speaker 2>are the indigenous community, and how you know, other people

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<v Speaker 2>like constins for example in Israel or even in Abanon.

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<v Speaker 2>So you you allow, in the case of North America,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, you allow these immigrants come in and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at first date, what are they going to do? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>some of them are lucky enough to have a job, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's wonderful, but they start at the very bottom. That's

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<v Speaker 2>unless unless they're really build engineers or something. Or I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to say doctors because I know in Quebec,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, unless you're certified from Quebec, you cannot be

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<v Speaker 2>as taxi drivers. Right, So economically they're restricted in maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not overkely or directly or anything like that. So what

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<v Speaker 2>what else can they do other than you know, live

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<v Speaker 2>in similar communities and help each other out. And and

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<v Speaker 2>from that because of the oppression, because of the uh inequality,

425
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:49.920
<v Speaker 2>social and economic inequalities. Uh it is only natural for

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00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:54.799
<v Speaker 2>these communities to resort to crime quote unquote or band

427
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.839
<v Speaker 2>together and form massias. I mean, we've heard about the

428
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Italian mafia, the Hyasian mafia, degree mafia, the whatever mafia.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Of all these different communities, they're they're they're called after

430
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:12.960
<v Speaker 2>a certain people's name, like the you know, nationality for

431
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a reason, and those those reasons are well documented and studied.

432
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<v Speaker 2>And you know there in the case of Palestinians, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to use the example of Lebanon because I

434
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<v Speaker 2>know more about it. Uh. And I'll draw the parallel

435
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<v Speaker 2>here with indigenous communities in North America. Uh. Pat Palestines

436
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:35.319
<v Speaker 2>were kicked out of Palestine in the nineteen forties and

437
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 2>they some of them came to Lebanon and then they

438
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:43.000
<v Speaker 2>were put in camps and not given any rights. They're

439
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<v Speaker 2>not allowed to work, they're not given work permits. A

440
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<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff happened under the table. Yes, right, great.

441
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:55.039
<v Speaker 2>They're not allowed to purchase property. They're supposedly only allowed

442
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<v Speaker 2>to live in the encampment, but you know, some of

443
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<v Speaker 2>them do, especially those with money who get out and

444
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<v Speaker 2>do other things. But they are restricted restrictions. I mean,

445
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.920
<v Speaker 2>put a people like that for we're talking about the forties, right,

446
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:14.239
<v Speaker 2>it's more than fifty years now. These people still live

447
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:24.559
<v Speaker 2>in camps in really ugly conditions. They're open sewers. There's

448
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of population density in these camps because fifty

449
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<v Speaker 2>years they've populated, they've grown right as a population. Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>So my point being, you know, when you treat people

451
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<v Speaker 2>like animals long enough, and you know, call them animals

452
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<v Speaker 2>and warn't about them all the time, and you deny

453
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.800
<v Speaker 2>them their rights and you know, completely oppress them, what

454
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<v Speaker 2>expect them to do in the right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good point. Let me ask you this because because

456
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<v Speaker 1>we're we're we we are officially talking about Israel and

457
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<v Speaker 1>and Lebanon in the Middle East. So and I will

458
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<v Speaker 1>tell everybody listening that if you look hard enough, that

459
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<v Speaker 1>you actually can find the United Nations footage news footage

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<v Speaker 1>of UH people being interviewed as they were being forced

461
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<v Speaker 1>forced out of of Palestine and into areas like Lebanon. Uh.

462
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<v Speaker 1>They can say the Samber talking about and you and

463
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:52.519
<v Speaker 1>some of them, the people interviewed, they're saying, they're saying, oh, well,

464
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<v Speaker 1>we hope to be able to return back to their

465
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<v Speaker 1>home in Palestine. And one of the porters did ask

466
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<v Speaker 1>the question will they ever be allowed to return? He say, oh, no,

467
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:11.519
<v Speaker 1>they're going forever. This is this is now becoming a

468
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<v Speaker 1>Jewish state, which leads me to the whole colonialism thing.

469
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it seems as though when they created,

470
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<v Speaker 1>when the UN created Israel, that that they have somehow

471
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<v Speaker 1>or another perfected this whole colonialism thing. That leading back

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<v Speaker 1>to fourteen ninety two again that they've perfected this this

473
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 1>thing and they just forced people, force one one group

474
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:50.480
<v Speaker 1>of people out and put another group of people in, as.

475
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Happened in North America prior other places as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's is this is this ongoing thing that Israel

477
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<v Speaker 1>has a right to defend itself as a country. Are

478
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<v Speaker 1>they trying to expand their borders?

479
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Well with with how they keep letting settlers encroach on

480
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.360
<v Speaker 2>the West Bank and you know they haven't been doing

481
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.280
<v Speaker 2>that in Lada because of security reasons, but you know

482
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.719
<v Speaker 2>they're taking over much more land. And these these settlements

483
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.119
<v Speaker 2>are many of them are illegal and internashionally they're illegal,

484
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:32.320
<v Speaker 2>yet they're being allowed. We in Lebanon, at least on

485
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:35.760
<v Speaker 2>beside Lebanese side, there's always this thing where we know

486
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.559
<v Speaker 2>that you know Israel wants more of our soil and

487
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the water from the New Townian River. I think there

488
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:48.639
<v Speaker 2>are some interviews with some Israeli that kind of point

489
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>to that as well. I mean, at this point, more

490
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>than fifty sixty years, that past Israel exists. It's a reality.

491
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<v Speaker 2>To be pregnatic, it exists. Uh, there's there's no way

492
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:11.639
<v Speaker 2>you know that, you bet. I do not advocate, for example,

493
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the reverse of what's what's happened what happened to the

494
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Palestinians just to kicking out israelis to make room for

495
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:19.599
<v Speaker 2>the Palestinians.

496
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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I don't think you need ever say that.

497
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:30.239
<v Speaker 2>No, but uh, Israel at this point, Yes, when they

498
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.079
<v Speaker 2>say they have a right to defend themselves, I agree

499
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 2>with that, mm hmm. But you know, uh, the best

500
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.280
<v Speaker 2>way for them to for you know, defend themselves is

501
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:44.400
<v Speaker 2>to make things and to resolve the issue of the Palestinians.

502
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:50.679
<v Speaker 2>And two, yeah, you know he can't, uh, you know,

503
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>keep beating everybody around you with your superior weaponry and

504
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.599
<v Speaker 2>all of that, and then when they fire something back

505
00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:00.400
<v Speaker 2>at your or stand up for themselves. Not that I

506
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 2>in any forum or shape agree with the tactics or

507
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:09.639
<v Speaker 2>or the you know, the entity for example, I do

508
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:11.800
<v Speaker 2>not agree with the tactics or ways of doing things

509
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:12.400
<v Speaker 2>in anything.

510
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.079
<v Speaker 1>October seventh. Should should not have.

511
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<v Speaker 2>Had no, I should not ever that was that was

512
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.639
<v Speaker 2>the real most stupid thing. Yeah.

513
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:30.679
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, and and and the two hundred missiles being fired.

514
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:33.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess it was a week.

515
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Ago, uh on Tuesday from it?

516
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, tes Tuesday. Yeah, you know, No, that's not advocating

517
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:42.639
<v Speaker 1>for peace either.

518
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I keep hearing this. We we're firing all these weapons,

519
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:51.840
<v Speaker 2>but you know, we don't want to work, Like, Okay,

520
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 2>what are those things falling on us? You know what

521
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:58.079
<v Speaker 2>what does that indicate to us? You know, the suburbs

522
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:02.320
<v Speaker 2>of their are are completely demolished, that's talking. You know

523
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:07.880
<v Speaker 2>that they they like entire blocks at this point where

524
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:10.199
<v Speaker 2>there used to be building. There's nothing but rubbles at

525
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.039
<v Speaker 2>this point. And you know, they don't want to walk.

526
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 2>But either side, you know, I mean I can't I

527
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:26.679
<v Speaker 2>can't speak for the other side. But in any event, Uh,

528
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:29.519
<v Speaker 2>what's happening right now, in my opinion, is just uh,

529
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:33.159
<v Speaker 2>the patriarchal societies of the region are just you know,

530
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.559
<v Speaker 2>in a the same competition. That's the best way I

531
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:43.400
<v Speaker 2>can put it. I mean, here is not any who.

532
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<v Speaker 2>At the United Nations General Assembly, the Lepan side had

533
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<v Speaker 2>secured even what he called an agreement for sease fire,

534
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.760
<v Speaker 2>and apparently he indicated that he was for that as well.

535
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<v Speaker 2>And then suddenly he goes up on the po and declares,

536
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:02.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're never going to stop. We're going to

537
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:08.599
<v Speaker 2>keep on bombing. When they bomb, they collapse six buildings.

538
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:10.679
<v Speaker 2>They bomb the hell out of six buildings. That's the

539
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:13.079
<v Speaker 2>only time I actually heard the bombs from where I

540
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:18.039
<v Speaker 2>was living. They're that's strong. They collapsed six buildings. Just

541
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:23.559
<v Speaker 2>to get the head of whoa how many people were

542
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:30.880
<v Speaker 2>living in those buildings? They say, okay, Hasballa using cibilians

543
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.199
<v Speaker 2>as human shields. But the last time I checked the

544
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>you knew that convention doesn't say that if they're they

545
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:40.480
<v Speaker 2>are siblings being used as shields, then you can shoot

546
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 2>at them.

547
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Right. It doesn't say that at all, you know. And

548
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of course, yeah, there was another question to the Israeli

549
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:03.679
<v Speaker 1>you and ambassador to to the United Nations, is like,

550
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 1>are they going to roll out targeting nuclear sites in Iran?

551
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:17.519
<v Speaker 1>And they won't answer that question. Mm hmm. But you

552
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.199
<v Speaker 1>say you don't want a war. You don't want mass destruction.

553
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.679
<v Speaker 2>You know that's a scary fault.

554
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's it's we like you and I were were,

555
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:38.679
<v Speaker 1>we're filmmakers, we're podcasters and advocates for human rights, and

556
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>we we're like but all you, the rest of you

557
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:48.760
<v Speaker 1>big government people are are are advocating by your actions,

558
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.360
<v Speaker 1>we want more war mm hmm.

559
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:58.079
<v Speaker 2>And there's as doubts. Uh, there are other dimensions to

560
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 2>this as well, uh you, other than the human factor,

561
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the human cost, the human civilian cost. Because I really

562
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:09.679
<v Speaker 2>don't care about the fighters or the leaders on any side,

563
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:14.920
<v Speaker 2>because they all collectively brought us to the situation here

564
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:18.760
<v Speaker 2>where you know, we have a humanitarian crisis and so

565
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:23.559
<v Speaker 2>on and so forth. But here's talk about bombing arounds

566
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.000
<v Speaker 2>oil facilities as well, not just nuclear ones. We'll forbid

567
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.400
<v Speaker 2>that they do the kind of fallout we'll get if

568
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:37.679
<v Speaker 2>they do bomb the nuclear sites. But you know, I'm thinking, Okay,

569
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:41.679
<v Speaker 2>in the past few years, every year has been declared

570
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the woman's fear ever on date. We have a climate

571
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:50.480
<v Speaker 2>crisis on hand, and here they are for what reason

572
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.760
<v Speaker 2>other than you know, oh, look at us, we're strong.

573
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:56.039
<v Speaker 2>We're going to bomb each other's oil facilities and burn

574
00:43:56.159 --> 00:44:00.159
<v Speaker 2>more oil and you know, increase the carbon outside uh

575
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:05.960
<v Speaker 2>emissions around the world. And yeah, we want peace on

576
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:08.679
<v Speaker 2>both sides. They both threaten each other that they go

577
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:09.639
<v Speaker 2>after each other as well.

578
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:14.039
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's that's that That isn't a excellent point.

579
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, we we have.

580
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:25.360
<v Speaker 2>All these Yeah, ineftably, the entire world is uh, it's

581
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>going to be the victim of this world.

582
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:32.639
<v Speaker 1>In your mind, we could be some of the solutions.

583
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, since we're we're at this, why don't we

584
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.519
<v Speaker 1>try to solve the world's problems in one podcast?

585
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Right? Well, I think first and foremost, all nations should

586
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:48.920
<v Speaker 2>clamp down on their weapons manufacturers, the companies corporations that

587
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:51.599
<v Speaker 2>manufacturer weapons and you know, make a profit out of

588
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:57.840
<v Speaker 2>selling them to other places. Uh. The only outcome of

589
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:03.679
<v Speaker 2>such a business is to make war and in order

590
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:06.920
<v Speaker 2>for them to make more profit. So that that is

591
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:11.599
<v Speaker 2>the first thing that I that comes to mind. The

592
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:14.000
<v Speaker 2>other thing that comes to mind is, you know, stop

593
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:18.920
<v Speaker 2>beings or nations to stop being so uptight about you know,

594
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.559
<v Speaker 2>visa control and security and you know it more security.

595
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:24.679
<v Speaker 2>Then maybe maybe make any I mean, the solution to

596
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:30.079
<v Speaker 2>all our problems is all our problems are at hand,

597
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:33.679
<v Speaker 2>They're available. You know, it's just the will to end poverty,

598
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 2>to end hunger, to I know, I sound like a

599
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.639
<v Speaker 2>hippy at this point, but you know, honestly, the solutions

600
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:43.159
<v Speaker 2>are there. It's just nobody wants to take that action

601
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:49.079
<v Speaker 2>because oh the economy, oh my political base, you know,

602
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:53.840
<v Speaker 2>you know all of that. It's this capitalist structure that

603
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.880
<v Speaker 2>has imprisoned our mind into thinking. You know, there's no

604
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:02.360
<v Speaker 2>way of operating or or or or functioning as economies

605
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:09.639
<v Speaker 2>other than you know, being benefiting from more or in

606
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the case of the United States, for example, the privatized

607
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:18.199
<v Speaker 2>prison system, which you know, these these these are corporations

608
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:24.440
<v Speaker 2>that are profiting from crime by you know, uh let's

609
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:27.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, they won't make any profit if there's no

610
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:33.960
<v Speaker 2>crime and people are not going to jail. Yeah, uh uh.

611
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'd like for the world nations, especially the

612
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Western nations, to stop paying lip service to you know,

613
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:49.239
<v Speaker 2>just for political points and electoral games, uh to you know,

614
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:54.760
<v Speaker 2>lip service to the environment or human human rights. I mean, yeah,

615
00:46:54.760 --> 00:47:00.679
<v Speaker 2>we can talk about how abusive uh So the Iranian,

616
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Afghani and Chinese regions are in terms of human rights abuses.

617
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I do not discount that at all, but maybe they

618
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.199
<v Speaker 2>should look in the Western countries should also look in

619
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.000
<v Speaker 2>the mirror and see where they are going wrong as well.

620
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:18.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean they're not Yes, they're better in many ways,

621
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:23.480
<v Speaker 2>but they're not completely absolved of being human rights violators.

622
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:26.280
<v Speaker 2>And one of one of those systems is the visa system,

623
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.119
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, one of the great human rights travesty.

624
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I don't think there's any any country there

625
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:46.280
<v Speaker 1>is completely absolved of human rights violations in one way

626
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.559
<v Speaker 1>or another. It's it's not the absolution, it's the willingness

627
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:55.920
<v Speaker 1>to to work towards fixing the problems that we're all

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<v Speaker 1>seen as equal. Mm hmm, yeah, excellent, all excellent points.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do wish you a safe exit out and

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that your young friend I have. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I keep butchering her name Marion. Actually, yeah, it is

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<v Speaker 1>something it's something about about the the you uh you

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<v Speaker 1>having the the the accent of the region versus my

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<v Speaker 1>American accent.

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<v Speaker 2>I like everybody usually butchers my name too, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a given. But you know, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>go back. You know what the name Maron actually means

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<v Speaker 2>in Arabic, it means aspiration. Well, yeah not, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what this girl has.

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<v Speaker 1>Lady, A lot of the beautiful name to give give

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<v Speaker 1>a person, you know, m hmm yeah yeah. So I

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<v Speaker 1>wish you well and and well we will stay very

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<v Speaker 1>closely in touch. And my hope is is that we

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<v Speaker 1>uh that we find another documentary to do together, because

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