WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.719 An Englishman, an Irishman, and an American walk into a 2 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:37.159 comic shop to buy the latest issue of the Twilight 3 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:40.960 Zone comic by id W. Now that might sound like 4 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:43.280 the start of a joke, but tonight it is a 5 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:47.759 cold hard fact, because I'm joined by not one, but 6 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:52.520 two guests to discuss issue three of the new Twilight 7 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.840 Zone comics run. So, first of all, let me welcome 8 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:59.359 back my old friend and host I've always hold on 9 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:02.920 to small mister Zach Moore. Zach, welcome back. 10 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:05.120 Well, they're happy to be back from the comic shop. 11 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:05.599 At you, Tom. 12 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:09.079 It was a good trip, good trip, very fruitful. But 13 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.079 we were joined by a first time guest on the 14 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:16.040 twilight Zone Podcast, but a gentlemen who I've had many 15 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:19.159 chats with behind the scenes, and I'm glad to finally 16 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.439 get him on. He's the host of the All Star 17 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:25.879 super Fan podcast, one of the hosts of that, and 18 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:28.680 it is my friend Alan Beck. Alan, Welcome to the 19 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:29.760 Twilight Zone Podcast. 20 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:32.400 Hi Tom, it's such a privilege to be here. I 21 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:34.400 am over the moon. Thank you so much for having 22 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:34.599 me on. 23 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.799 So before we get into the comic tonight, let's speak 24 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:40.400 a bit about you and your podcast, Alan tell tell 25 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:42.079 us a bit about it, because it's one that I've 26 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.079 come to really quite enjoy over the past couple of years. 27 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:48.840 Yeah, So we myself and Rab, Rob and I have 28 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:52.439 the All Star super Fan podcast, which is a podcast 29 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:56.359 that explores the full tapestry, if you will, of the 30 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:59.560 Man of Steel's history and legacy. So we speak to 31 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:03.319 everything from the comic books to the movies, to the 32 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:08.120 old time serials, current TV shows, past TV shows. We 33 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:14.639 interview actors from the movies, directors, animators, comic book writers, 34 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:17.400 and we've been going there for just touching on five 35 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:20.879 years now and we're having an absolute blast with absolutely 36 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:23.000 loved run a little bit of a high. Issis at 37 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:26.280 the moment. I'm quite busy with work and Rob is 38 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:30.319 headlining a musical Believe it or Not, Wow, and he's 39 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:32.039 getting married shortly, so we're taking a little bit of 40 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:35.240 a break, but we have quite an extensive catalog there 41 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:37.800 and we'll be back recording pretty soon, so I'm looking 42 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:38.199 forward to that. 43 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:41.719 I can sympathize completely, you know, listening to the Twilight 44 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:45.599 Zone podcast. Now, how spotty my schedule is on this, 45 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:47.840 but you know, you've got to live your life having 46 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:49.400 you allegedly. 47 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:52.840 Yeah, I would just like to point out that all 48 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:55.719 my favorite episodes of the All Star super Fan podcast 49 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.039 I'm on, so make sure that you go check those 50 00:02:58.039 --> 00:02:58.479 out first. 51 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:01.800 Do you have to check out our Twilight On special 52 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.120 in which Tom featured there last October? That was That 53 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:06.120 was That was a lot of fun. It was definitely 54 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:07.680 my book list for a long time to do a 55 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:09.360 Serling esque intro. 56 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:11.639 So that was great, Greg, Yeah, it was good fun. 57 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.159 Before we carry on, let's just name drop a couple 58 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:16.479 of names that you've had on there, because I've really 59 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:19.360 been impressed by the roster of Superman guests that you've 60 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:21.639 had on over the years. So just tell us a 61 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:22.319 couple of people. 62 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:24.319 Oh, we've had who have we had? 63 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:24.560 Zach? 64 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:28.159 We've had iliasal Kind, the producer of the original Superman movies. 65 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.719 We've had Jack O'Halleran, who played non and Superman the 66 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:35.240 Movie and Superman two. We've had Mark Millow who played 67 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.759 nuclear Man, Gerard Christopher and John Newton, both who played 68 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.680 super Boys in the old Superboy TV series. We've had 69 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:47.879 writers like Dan Jurgens, Mark Wade. We've had Marv Wolfman 70 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:49.319 was a great one we got on a few years 71 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:52.800 ago to talk about the Ruby Spears Superman. So, yeah, 72 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:56.840 we've we have some heavy hitters there, and it's it's 73 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:00.639 to be honest, it was really surreal. I appeared many 74 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:04.639 years ago on Zach and Night's mutual Friend Matt Truix's 75 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:07.280 Lois and Clark podcast, and I enjoyed the experience so 76 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:09.560 much that I contacted Robin said maybe we should give 77 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:12.639 this a shot. I was primarily a kind of a 78 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:15.599 fan of the movies and the TV shows. Rob had 79 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:18.720 had much more extensive comic book knowledge than I did, 80 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:20.639 and I thought that would be a great kind of 81 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:23.560 a balance on the show. And I had met Rob 82 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.000 previously through the convention scene and stuff, the Dublin Comic 83 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.160 con convention and that, and it was just a great 84 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:31.839 way to be honest, from a selfish point of view, 85 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:33.839 it was a great way to fill in those kind 86 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:35.800 of fandom blanks that I had. I was always kind 87 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:39.920 of a may A fair Weather Superman fan, as you said, 88 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:41.959 like I had read the old kind of John Byrne 89 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:45.519 post crisis Superman comics from the late ladies and early nineties, 90 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.160 but I had more so read a lot of the 91 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:52.240 Batman comics through throughout the decades, I hadn't really kept 92 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:54.879 up with any of the Sinkle issues or the monthly 93 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:57.199 releases of Superman and stuff, so I wanted to fill 94 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.560 in in those blanks. And it's just it's been. It's 95 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.040 just been fantastic. It's it really has been. It's been 96 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:07.439 a really fun adventure. Met great friends like Zach and 97 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:09.959 Matt and so many other people in the community, and 98 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.160 we do lots of crossovers with other people and stuff, 99 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:14.959 and the community is so supportive and it really has 100 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:17.879 been an absolute glass I have to say. 101 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:21.160 So let's pivot to the Twilight Zone because I know, 102 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.120 Zach over there you are a wash with Twilight Zone 103 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.199 in America. You know, every public holiday you got a 104 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.079 marathon going on. Yeah, it is, It's the Promised Land. 105 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:36.720 But alan, I know over here in England it's it's 106 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:40.519 very hard for people to discover the Twilight Zone by accident. 107 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:43.120 What's it like over there in Ireland and how did 108 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:44.480 you discover it? 109 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.360 Yeah, it's it's it's pretty much the same here. It's 110 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:50.480 pretty much the same here in Ireland. It's it's kind 111 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:53.480 of of a non entity really. I think most people 112 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:57.160 here would probably remember the eighties show more than the 113 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:01.279 original Rod Serling show Wow, because that was repeated for 114 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:05.199 years on different British channels and stuff that you could watch, 115 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.639 you know, the Horror Channel and all Sci Fi Time 116 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:09.639 and all that kind of stuff, and that we that 117 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:11.439 we'd get here if you had cable and sky and 118 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:14.839 that kind of thing. I actually discovered it years ago 119 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.839 as a child, back in maybe ninety five ninety six. 120 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.800 I was on holiday with my parents. We were staying 121 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:24.639 with some family friends in France, and I remember staying 122 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:26.720 up one night. They were all drinking wine and having 123 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:28.800 fun and having you know that the French have these 124 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.000 late night kind of meals that go on for six 125 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.120 and seven hours, and I got bored and I went 126 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:37.079 inside and they were showing it on the TV. And 127 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:41.160 I wasn't really playing attention straight away, but I to 128 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.040 this day, I guess, thirty years later, I still remember 129 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.199 the episode. And it was season three's The Hunt, the 130 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:50.000 one with the old man and the dog and he 131 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:51.920 passes away and he tried to get the dog into 132 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:53.920 heaven and there's a big twist at the end, and 133 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.600 I had never encountered a twist before, and I was hooked. 134 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.560 And while we stayed there on vacation on holiday. I 135 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.439 watched it every single night, and my parents were like, 136 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:05.680 why is like this old black and white TV show? 137 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:07.600 What you know? Why is he so fascinated with it? 138 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.480 And I just absolutely loved it and it stuck with 139 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:16.000 me for years. And then years later I caught one night, 140 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:19.199 late at night, I caught the Twilight Zone movie and 141 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:22.600 that kind of look, we can all debate about how 142 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:24.759 good or bad the movie is. I love the book 143 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:26.800 ends to the film. I love that opening scene with 144 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.720 dan Aykroyd, and that stuck with me in a similar way. 145 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.199 I was like, jeez, that's that was really great, and 146 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.199 that kind of those were that was in the era 147 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:38.720 of eBay and stuff and Amazon back say maybe twenty ten, 148 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.839 twenty eleven, when they were really kicking off, and I 149 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:45.000 ordered the DVDs and then I just I watched the 150 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:48.000 show and I've I've stuck with it ever since. Absolutely 151 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:50.959 absolutely love it. I think it's one of the greatest 152 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:53.120 TV shows ever made. I think it's fantastic. 153 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.120 Okay, so let's pivot to the reason why we here tonight. 154 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:00.680 The new IDW Twilight Zone comic joining us here on 155 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:03.959 issue three, which is called The Relic, and Zach and 156 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:09.759 I were talking in the last episode about how this one, well, 157 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.399 the last issue and this issue, same artist, same writer, 158 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.480 and you know, we both kind of liked this idea 159 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:21.240 of someone just taking the Twilight Zone and doing their 160 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:23.759 thing with it. So you know, I'm quite looking forward 161 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:25.800 to hearing what you guys think of this one as well, 162 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:29.439 so if we get into it. I mentioned at the 163 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.279 end of the last episode that I wasn't sure about 164 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.919 this one from the first image that we saw of it, 165 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:38.639 and the first image was like a night. Now we 166 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:41.120 did have an American flag on them, so it's like, okay, 167 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:46.960 what's that about. But I think even before that, I'd 168 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:50.200 seen sort of promo images of nights and things, and 169 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:55.879 I don't know. To me, the Twilight Zone is it's American, 170 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.399 you know what I mean, And I wouldn't want it 171 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:02.279 to be very far from that. You know, I love Australia, 172 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.919 but I wouldn't want to see the Twilight doing in Australia, 173 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.840 you know what I mean. It's kind of American folklore 174 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:11.519 to me, and I don't like to see it via 175 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.480 too far from that. That said, the way this story 176 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:19.759 goes it sort of circles back, so it's like, oh, okay, yeah, 177 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:23.759 fine then so it kind of works. But I mean, 178 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:27.440 going into this, what were your gentlemen's YouTube gentlemen's thoughts 179 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.720 on what we're presented with for these first few pages. 180 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.639 Well, I'll just mention the intro real quick and then 181 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:35.200 i'll toss to you out out of that's all right. 182 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:39.399 I did like specifically on this issue an issue three. Uh, 183 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.399 there's the again presumably the Rod Sterling narrator giving us 184 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:45.960 the introduction, and then we see a little cigarette in 185 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:48.399 a little last tray at the bottom, like a little 186 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:50.360 hint of Sterling. Because we had that an issue one, 187 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:52.840 we didn't have it an issue too. Now it's back 188 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:55.840 an issue three, and I've just responded well to that, 189 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:58.240 so I already were off to a good start there 190 00:09:58.279 --> 00:09:58.480 for me. 191 00:09:59.120 --> 00:09:59.320 Yeah. 192 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:01.639 Absolutely, And think that's a really nice way to handle it. 193 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:03.960 I think it's really kind of an artistic way to 194 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:06.440 do it. If you can't maybe put his likely Obviously 195 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:08.240 we'd all like to see Rod in it, or we'd 196 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:10.200 like to see his his likeness and that, but if 197 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:13.399 that's not something that's achievable, I think this kind of 198 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:14.679 subtle nod to. 199 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:19.000 His presence in the book. Is it is just really nice. 200 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:20.960 I really enjoyed it. I really like that. 201 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:23.519 I'm looking at these first few pages now and I've 202 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:25.399 got to say, and I've got to say, of the 203 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:29.360 issues that we've done so far, I think this is 204 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:31.559 the best art work we've had so far. There's some 205 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:37.200 very kind of detailed line work here, still very stylized 206 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:41.960 in terms of the people it depicts. Yes, even slightly 207 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.519 reminiscent of that first issue in a way, isn't it, Zach? 208 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:46.480 It is? It is so I was like, oh, we 209 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:48.759 drifted into that territory. But I agree with you. I 210 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.879 think of the three so far, this is the best artwork. 211 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:53.879 And you know, we get some great like just these 212 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.120 opening pages, A hold, this whole battle going on, and 213 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:58.279 then and then you know, to mention the intro again, 214 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:02.080 it ends with because today the siege Lions pass through 215 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.240 the twilight Zone. Thank you. This is this is how 216 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.559 all these intros are done. You say, you say the 217 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:09.799 twilight Zone and the intros. I understand, like for a 218 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:11.720 dozen episodes of the geinning of the show, before they 219 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:14.759 figured it out, they didn't say that. It's totally fine, right, 220 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:16.279 but like, this is what we do now. If we 221 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.360 don't do this, then why do a twilight Zone intro 222 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:21.440 and out shro If you don't say the twilight Zone 223 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:23.399 in the name, so I will die on the hill. 224 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:25.639 Yeah, I think I have to say I was very 225 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:28.480 impressed with the artwork. I did read Blanks issue one 226 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:32.039 for this, and I didn't like that artwork as. 227 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:32.600 Much as I like this. 228 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:35.000 But I thought this was, like you said, very stylized. 229 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.720 The artist like he has he has a great he 230 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:41.600 has a great talent for depicting the crowd scenes, the 231 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:43.759 battle like that's that's not an easy thing to draw. 232 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.559 It's very clean, the lines, very clean, and I loved 233 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.399 the fact that they're continuing in the black and white. 234 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.480 I really thought I think that really suits this art especially. 235 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:53.720 I think it really works well for. 236 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:58.519 So as our story begins, we've got two warring factions. 237 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.000 I don't think we really know who they are or 238 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:05.679 why they're fighting that much, but I don't think we 239 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:11.240 really need to. But we we find that one of 240 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:17.000 the factions have captured a member of the other one, 241 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:22.679 and this guy says this captured one says okay, sorry, 242 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:25.200 So the one who has captured them, because again, not 243 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:27.519 one for names in these these nuds. 244 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:30.519 You don't know when this is or who this is 245 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.399 or anything really which which will become a reveal at 246 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:33.679 the end. 247 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:35.519 Yeah, because I was going to ask you that when 248 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.360 you when you when you first kind of opened the 249 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:40.399 first page, the first two pages, what you think it's 250 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:42.799 like medieval times even pre medieval times? 251 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:43.159 Maybe? 252 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:45.519 Yeah, it was like did the Knights go try to 253 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.480 invade China or something like, Yeah, it's some kind of 254 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:49.840 culture clash. You're not really sure. 255 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.759 It's kind of gang as can area in something. Yeah, 256 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:53.519 that kind of era. 257 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.879 Yeah, well, that that was it. That was exactly why 258 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.159 I was like, I don't know, this is an American 259 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:04.759 enough form, you know, because that you know, like I've 260 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:07.360 mentioned that many times, but that is really part of 261 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:10.840 the twilight zone for me, and I'm not sure it 262 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:15.639 really works when you take it out. But we have 263 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:19.559 this meeting where you know, this guy is captured from 264 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:22.039 one side, it's really difficult to talk about it when 265 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.679 you're saying this guy has captured this guy and he 266 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.360 says to the prisoners, so long as you have high 267 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:29.960 walls to do all of the fighting for you, that 268 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.240 is and the prisoner says, it isn't our walls that 269 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:36.399 give us strength, but what we hold within them. We 270 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:39.679 are the keepers of the Word. We hold the voice 271 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:45.519 of God. So again things are kind of ramped up 272 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:46.399 here a little bit. 273 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:49.200 I like the fact that the I'll call him the 274 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:50.000 Gingers can. 275 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:52.039 Character the capital. 276 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.639 This guy, he seems very jealous or very put out 277 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:00.000 by the fact that the opposing faction live in storm 278 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:04.720 buildings behind stone walls and that they're almost looked down 279 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:09.879 upon because they don't. But he's determined to to breach 280 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.639 those walls and find out what they have. And he 281 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.480 makes this he makes this fantastic point about you know, 282 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.159 I think he says, there's eighty tribes or eighty factions 283 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:21.200 across the land, and they all have their individual gods, 284 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:23.240 so what's one more? 285 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:25.559 And I really, I really thought that was great. 286 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.919 Coming off Issue Too, I was like, Oh, finally, something 287 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:31.559 is not completely a Star Trek episode that I've seen before. 288 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:35.120 We're kind of unscharted territory, Like it's even it's even 289 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:38.519 less fiamiliar two because Issue Too was like, hey, the 290 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:40.279 astronauts they go over to a place and land on 291 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:42.120 a planet, like we've seen that a lot. This is 292 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:45.240 a very wide scale thing that you haven't seen in 293 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.600 a Twilid Zone episode. And I guess getting back to 294 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.720 the point I'll make on all these when we cover them, like, 295 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:52.919 could this have been an episode of the original twild 296 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:57.120 Zone Maybe, I mean, but the only like they would 297 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:59.360 have to show like stock footage for some old movie. 298 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:01.600 And then yeah, did two guys talking at a tent? 299 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:03.399 You know, like they could? I think they could have 300 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:06.080 achieved It wouldn't have looked anything like this, right, but 301 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.480 they could have maybe done the same points they were 302 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:12.679 trying to make, just on a very extreme budget. 303 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:14.799 That was something that I was hung up on because 304 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:17.879 going into this, I hadn't read besides blanks, I haven't 305 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:20.519 read any of the old Twilight Zone comics or anything. 306 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:24.519 And I went look walking into this, I'm looking for 307 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.840 from a Twilight Zone comic, a comic that could be 308 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:29.919 a continuation of the show, or could have been an 309 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:32.679 episode of the show. It's like when say, Zach and 310 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:37.120 Mass do a hypothetical second season of Flash ninety on 311 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:39.559 their show, or of the Aquaman show. You know, we 312 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.120 could all write stories where John Wesley Ship meets Christopher Reeve, 313 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:45.480 but you know that, but can that couldn't have happened 314 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:49.240 in the show. But so that kind of pulled me 315 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:51.200 out of it initially. But then when I read it 316 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:52.840 a second time and I kind of stopped and I 317 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:54.639 kind of thought about it, and I think, if you 318 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:58.960 were smart, you really could almost almost stage this like 319 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:01.919 a play where you have the two guys in the tent, 320 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.559 you hear the fighting outside maybe, and then you switch 321 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:07.799 to you know, the battle is over, you have some 322 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:09.919 smoke and some dead guys on the ground, and you're 323 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.519 walking into the temple. I think, if you really wanted 324 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:14.679 to get it across, you could, And that kind of 325 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:16.480 saved it for me when I when when when that 326 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:17.960 realization came to me, I think. 327 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:20.399 No, same exact thought, alan, same exact thought here. 328 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:22.919 Okay, I did not have that sauce, but you've both 329 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:23.639 convinced me. 330 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.840 They did, like Civil war battles and stuff, just like 331 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:32.679 off screen or just again like stock footage from some 332 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:36.000 all the movie they could have afforded like thirty seconds 333 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:37.879 of it, wouldn't have it would have been green all over, 334 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:40.039 It wouldn't fit it all the rest of the footage. 335 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.080 But they're great at that, even even in episodes like 336 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.840 the Passerby, where you know, you have that that line 337 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:45.919 of soldiers coming back. 338 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.320 It feels like there's a whole army back there, when 339 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:50.399 really there's just another ten guys. So I think they 340 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:51.000 could have done this. 341 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.080 That said though, and we've we've all alluded to it 342 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:57.840 so far. This artist does scale beautifully. Yeah, and there's 343 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:01.480 a shot here. It's at the White House. Sac I 344 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:03.919 don't know the page number because I'm looking at it digitally. 345 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:08.720 He's got sort of like walls and like fortress built 346 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.839 around it, but there's a very I don't know. 347 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.160 Pillars and stuff, and I well, because because of what 348 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.880 we're about to get into, uh, it's just a it's 349 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:22.440 a museum, right, so this is like the you know, 350 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:25.920 American Museum of Natural History, Yeah, for example. 351 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.480 Okay, so it's not the White House itself. So the 352 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:32.720 Genghis Khan guy, thank you, Alan has is now doing 353 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:38.960 a full on assault of this building, this museum type building, 354 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:43.599 which again just really nicely rendered scenes here of the battles. 355 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.519 You think, beat the heat, he says, and you're like, 356 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:47.759 what does that mean? 357 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:54.160 So they get in and they breach the walls and 358 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:57.880 then all of a sudden, they are confronted by this 359 00:17:58.079 --> 00:17:59.920 really kind of badass looking night. 360 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:02.599 Yeah. Yeah, he's the guy that says, yeah, excuse me, 361 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:04.000 yeah yeah, stay. 362 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:09.200 Cool this summer, and when the night turns round, he 363 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:17.759 has the American flag on his back. He was also 364 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:21.000 all thinking within you know, Genghis Khan times or whatever, 365 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:25.039 but there's an American flag there, So what is going 366 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:25.519 on here? 367 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:29.359 I didn't actually notice the American flag on the night 368 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.279 on the on the cover image, so this was the 369 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.960 first time that I noticed the American flag and I 370 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:37.440 stopped my tracks that point. I was like, where is 371 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:38.279 this going? 372 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:39.880 What? 373 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:41.599 What is the lesson of this episode going to be, 374 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.759 of this issue going to be? So I thought it 375 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:46.640 was I thought it was a cool kind of mid episode, 376 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:47.440 mid issue twist. 377 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.079 Well, you know, they do these covers right in their 378 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:53.319 styleized sometimes they could mean anything, right, and I didn't. 379 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:55.960 I didn't expect to see this actual guy in a 380 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:58.880 night cossume with an American flag cape, but that's what 381 00:18:58.920 --> 00:18:59.599 he ended up having. 382 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:02.759 And then story, so they breach the walls and as 383 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:05.079 they go in, they follow this night in and there's 384 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:09.759 another bunch of knights there and they are all armed 385 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:13.839 with automatic weapons, and they kind of just wipe out 386 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:18.759 the sea of invading soldiers. But as this doing it, 387 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:23.000 there's saying, all of these strange lines open their souls 388 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.240 to refreshment. Let me see if you can find another one. 389 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:28.799 Like you mentioned there was beat the heat and stuff 390 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:29.279 like that. 391 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:33.319 My long summer has ended. My thirst is quenched, so. 392 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:34.279 Speaks the word of God. 393 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:36.680 Yeah. 394 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.599 Well, there's a bit of an odd turnaround, really, because 395 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.640 you have all of these Nights armed to the teeth 396 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:47.279 with automatic weapons, just mowing down these soldiers. But Genghis 397 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:51.559 Khan manages to pick up like a gun. He kills 398 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:55.160 the main Night with the gun, and all of a sudden, 399 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.160 the battle is won. I was that a bit of 400 00:19:58.160 --> 00:19:59.680 a strange turnaround for you guys. 401 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.240