Speaker 1: On on.
Speaker 2: Welcome to CCO apreciow for episode four forty What do
Speaker 2: we say? Nine nine sir?
Speaker 1: Holy shit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, take two because producer Gary had the microphone switched up.
Speaker 1: That was that was gonna be a good one too.
Speaker 1: That was gonna be our best pre show ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We're we're wherever we are today, somewhere in Bloomboro.
Speaker 2: I imagine I'm really I'm getting a sunburn because I
Speaker 2: moved a light to make the lighting look good. And
Speaker 2: it's just it's skin cancer constantly on my end. I
Speaker 2: hope that you're having fun.
Speaker 1: It's also making you sweat, which is making you smell
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, I'm kind of self conscious about that, Okay,
Speaker 2: just kidding. The Magic Flare self conscious about sweaty arn't bits,
Speaker 2: sweaty butt cracks, sunburned skin cancer, boils or other skin imperfections.
Speaker 1: And you know what they have in Bloombergo guys playing
Speaker 1: Turtles three on Nintendo and they're fighting Toka over there
Speaker 1: right now on the roof with the big kN on
Speaker 1: foot sign.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna talk about frogs
Speaker 2: and turtles today. We're continuing the Bloomborough coverage. We're brought
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Speaker 2: better because I'm getting a sunburn.
Speaker 1: You know what I don't like? Okay, what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you something I don't like as of recording today.
Speaker 2: Just wait a second, Uncle Brando doesn't like something.
Speaker 1: But hey, it's been a while. I feel like I've
Speaker 1: been very good. So you you owe me this one.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So we've talked a little bit recently about the new
Speaker 1: secret Layers that have all been coming out yep, yep,
Speaker 1: and this one, I feel this one hit home a
Speaker 1: little closer for me and and vastly for you because
Speaker 1: people that you and I both know have come to
Speaker 1: Brando saying, man, I wanted to buy the secret It's
Speaker 1: just been on sale today.
Speaker 2: Okay, which one is it? Is it a summer super drop?
Speaker 2: Is it the Bloomborough one? Which one specifically up.
Speaker 1: And Down the l Vader, Brain Dead, Monty Python Fall,
Speaker 1: Bloomborough Secret Layer, whatever the hell it's called.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know which one you're talking about.
Speaker 1: They got like, is it the.
Speaker 2: One with like the tattooed arms, and the weird monster
Speaker 2: ones that look like a cartoon and the Monty Python ones.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, and everybody wants the Monty Python ones. That's
Speaker 1: the one that everybody wants. Yes, and they sold out
Speaker 1: in an hour. Oh is that a record? Does that
Speaker 1: make it the most popular secret layer of all time? No?
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's just because they went from like print
Speaker 1: to demand to like this is how many were gonna print?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it just it's and I feel kind
Speaker 1: of bad because I went to just look at them,
Speaker 1: and everybody's Oh I had waited line for forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: they were sold out. I waited in line for zero minutes.
Speaker 1: And I could have bought them because they weren't sold out,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know anybody wasn't going to get in.
Speaker 1: Oh so I just didn't get made sure, there's nothing
Speaker 1: I wanted. Didn't buy them. But you know, so many
Speaker 1: people are kind of hurting about it, and I feel
Speaker 1: like all around the move to make them not print
Speaker 1: to demand such a mistake, and specifically when they bring
Speaker 1: in an outside ip, because I feel like you could
Speaker 1: get like a I assume what they've done and I'm
Speaker 1: not a financial guy.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna talk some MTG finance here in a minute,
Speaker 2: and as soon as you do your piece.
Speaker 1: I feel like they went to the not Princess Bride,
Speaker 1: it's the Monty Python guys and said, hey, we want
Speaker 1: to print you on some cards. It's gonna cost you
Speaker 1: this much money. And then they gave them that much money,
Speaker 1: and then WATSI went out and made a bunch of money.
Speaker 2: Sure, but I feel like probably doesn't work quite like that,
Speaker 2: but yeah, there's there's an agreement, and now they're on
Speaker 2: magic cards.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's an enticement where you could go
Speaker 1: to a group like Monty Python or Capcom for Mega
Speaker 1: Man or whatever and say, look, we want to make
Speaker 1: a secret layer with you, and we'll give you this
Speaker 1: percentage of each unit we sell, and thus making them
Speaker 1: print demand would be better. So everybody gets what they want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the player base wins. Watsea makes way more money,
Speaker 1: so they win, and the company that they're partnered with
Speaker 1: makes way more money and as such they win. And
Speaker 1: so it's so strange that they're not doing it that
Speaker 1: way because people are so unhappy yeah with this, you know,
Speaker 1: here's here's it sucks that there's something that people love
Speaker 1: so much and they can't get it, and that sucks.
Speaker 2: Here's some more complexities to add to this soup of
Speaker 2: Secret Layer. Okay, you have to take into account things
Speaker 2: like price breaks over a certain amount, and whether or
Speaker 2: not you're going to get those price breaks, and how
Speaker 2: deep into a price break you're gonna get, which affects
Speaker 2: the average cost per card.
Speaker 1: So we're assuming that Watsie does not own the means
Speaker 1: of production in this case or have a very sweetheart
Speaker 1: deal with said means of production.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yes, we are assuming that because to my knowledge,
Speaker 2: I have never heard that wat he does own any
Speaker 2: facilities that do create magic cards.
Speaker 1: This is a Hasbro Disney situation.
Speaker 2: It could be where yes.
Speaker 1: Hasbro kind of puts it all the toys, but like Disney,
Speaker 1: they're not a subsidiary of Disney yet. Yes, yeah, one
Speaker 1: will eventually buy the other, but it has not happened yet.
Speaker 2: Let's just continue to with down the road of complexities
Speaker 2: that we face as a consumer of this game and
Speaker 2: Secret Layer. Okay, so if they make it print to
Speaker 2: demand the I'm gonna say the average cost of cards
Speaker 2: in that Secret Layer isn't as high because anybody can
Speaker 2: get them, okay, and if anybody can get them, maybe
Speaker 2: the large retailers or mega buyers of secret layers don't
Speaker 2: buy as many because they don't think that that price
Speaker 2: is gonna hold and there's no resale value or collectibility,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 1: So well, we've seen that that's not true with past
Speaker 1: secret layers.
Speaker 2: Hmmm. I wonder if you did a full like financial
Speaker 2: breakdown of the price or the sale model of each
Speaker 2: secret layer and how it was sold versus like value
Speaker 2: down the road in a year or two or three,
Speaker 2: and kind of looked at how printed demand versus hard
Speaker 2: hard print number or hard print run, how they hold
Speaker 2: their value over time, and compare that with like how
Speaker 2: many units sold. Now. The tricky part about doing it
Speaker 2: that way, and this is why it gets even more complex,
Speaker 2: is secret layers from five years ago didn't sell whether
Speaker 2: there were hard print number or printed demand. They didn't
Speaker 2: sell as many as they do now because magic has
Speaker 2: exploded since then. So you'd have to like look at
Speaker 2: those numbers as a percentage of like, yeah, there's few
Speaker 2: layer base that did buy secret layers versus didn't.
Speaker 1: So when you look at the jacked up values of
Speaker 1: some of the layers, and the one that I always
Speaker 1: use for the example is the one that they've literally
Speaker 1: reprinted all five cards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just did that one right with the sol
Speaker 2: ring and the boots and the things.
Speaker 1: And they did that one. The one before, I argue
Speaker 1: aesthetically is more pleasing and better. I do like that one,
Speaker 1: but all the cards in it are very sought after
Speaker 1: and thus are valuable now. And I'd imagine that this
Speaker 1: elevator one with all the tattoo arts you're talking about,
Speaker 1: that's the one will be the same way, right, So
Speaker 1: I just assume that, like these things will accrue value
Speaker 1: if people want them. And this one, the cards selection
Speaker 1: in the Monty Python secret Or, I would argue it
Speaker 1: is not very good.
Speaker 2: But everybody just wants tim and Dismember like that's what
Speaker 2: they want.
Speaker 1: It's Monty Python. It's what people have gotten. People like
Speaker 1: you every Thursday on our Facebook page to alter those
Speaker 1: pictures onto cards forever.
Speaker 2: Hey you know what here they are now? Right, I'll
Speaker 2: actually tell you a story. Yesterday I was going through
Speaker 2: another revision of the alter book that I'm releasing on
Speaker 2: August twelfth. Hit up commandercuocoad dot com to find it,
Speaker 2: and I found the Night that Gets Dismembered.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I painted that onto a magic card and use that
Speaker 2: as a reference image for the section where I'm talking
Speaker 2: about like the cultural impact of custom fan art on gaming.
Speaker 2: Eyepsre you go, because now we have that exact same character.
Speaker 2: And oh man, I was racking my brain and searching
Speaker 2: all my thumb drives in my everywhere on my computer
Speaker 2: and the internet to try and see did I ever
Speaker 2: print a dismember with the Black Knight on it? Because
Speaker 2: I feel like I have done that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you haven't done one, which I i,
Speaker 1: I've definitely seen them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done an old sworn Night from original l
Speaker 2: Drain with no arms and no legs. And now there's
Speaker 2: a black Knight dismember like with the same character. And
Speaker 2: I thought it was just a weird coincidence, and I
Speaker 2: did a revision to the book to include that. There
Speaker 2: you go, And yeah, it's one of those things.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's it makes me upsets me, but
Speaker 1: like it sucks.
Speaker 2: You could be a mad nerd on the Internet. I'll
Speaker 2: allow it.
Speaker 1: I'm upset for all the people that wanted this so
Speaker 1: bad and they can't get it, and they can't get
Speaker 1: it for some arbitrary reason. And the reason is somebody
Speaker 1: somewhere along the line used some kind of abacus or
Speaker 1: whatever they used to do math these days, to say,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: What, we just do need to make all that money.
Speaker 2: You know, when it's so weird, it might be it
Speaker 2: might be how the contract with that outside ip is
Speaker 2: structured as well. I know that there's a lot of
Speaker 2: subtleties with Middle Earth enterprises and how much they could
Speaker 2: print Lord of the Rings in.
Speaker 1: That way you can't find it anymore. And do you
Speaker 1: think that do you think Monty Python would be the
Speaker 1: same thing? You think that other like I'll bet you
Speaker 1: Marvel right now is feverishly trying to rewrite contracts and
Speaker 1: no print as much as you fucking want. We're gonna
Speaker 1: keep selling it excitement, which is code for money.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, Oh wait, hit that out cuts out of
Speaker 2: the bank.
Speaker 1: And so it's just the thing. I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: turn the whole secret layer into the whole secret layer,
Speaker 1: the whole Appreciator discussion secret layer. It's just damn it,
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's such a piss off because so
Speaker 1: many of our friends wanted them and they just got
Speaker 1: left out in the cold. And so many tertiary humans
Speaker 1: that I know.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I got I got a couple solutions,
Speaker 2: good couple, and he's still going, folks, he ain't done.
Speaker 1: Fuck scalpers man.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's a good way.
Speaker 1: That if you bought these dahos people on eBay, you suck.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what I love about Fusion Gaming Online
Speaker 2: dot Com tell me is you can get sealed or
Speaker 2: cracked secret layers from them and they don't even gouge.
Speaker 2: It's just like like if I wanted the Dismember, maybe
Speaker 2: it's like a dollar more than the regular dismember, right,
Speaker 2: But if I want that one, then I just go
Speaker 2: to Fusion and get that and save money with the
Speaker 2: CEO promo col I have.
Speaker 1: I can confirm I have actually bought a few secret
Speaker 1: layers that I didn't just buy out right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought about it and got him from Yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: exact same number of dolls. Do Actually, because we're living Canada,
Speaker 1: costs a little bit less of our confusion because you
Speaker 1: don't have to pay all the important shipping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let the business daddy's pay the important shipping fees
Speaker 2: and just reap the benefits. Second thing, this is the
Speaker 2: second solution to things like outside Ip Secret Layers, is
Speaker 2: you just hit up your good friend Ryan and get
Speaker 2: me to paint the character on the card for you.
Speaker 2: I don't paint all kinds of characters, so that don't
Speaker 2: ask me for really, like any anime.
Speaker 1: Stuff, doesn't do wee stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mostly I just paint pictures of people's dogs and cats.
Speaker 1: He did two for me though, which I still play.
Speaker 2: And I what did I do recently? I did one? Oh,
Speaker 2: I did a weird Al Yankovic out of all things
Speaker 2: in the world.
Speaker 1: What a strange, strange.
Speaker 2: Weird Al Yankovic on a Keeper of the accord.
Speaker 1: In yep, and that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2: And a blood spore thrine axe but it's blood Sport
Speaker 2: thrine ax with Jovendam. I haven't done that one yet though.
Speaker 2: I haven't decided what reference image I'm going to use,
Speaker 2: like the powder in his eyes and his nose is bleeding,
Speaker 2: or the one with the bull cover of blood Sport.
Speaker 1: Hell no, the one where he like, what's the oh.
Speaker 2: When he does the splits and punches the guy in
Speaker 2: the nuts?
Speaker 1: What's the guy?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: It's the one where he gives the guy like the
Speaker 1: final rib shot and he's bleeding from both nostrils and
Speaker 1: it's going like into his teeth and shit, and he's
Speaker 1: got like the full van Dam going on full flat.
Speaker 1: You can't tell if he just punched someone where he
Speaker 1: shit himself.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sport is the best Vandam.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw this out there. I love it. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna throw two things out there. Jean Claude van Dam
Speaker 2: s tier eighties nineties actor. I think I like Van
Speaker 2: Dam like more than Stallone, more than Schwarzenegger. I think
Speaker 2: I like Van Dam more than Steven Seagal. I think
Speaker 2: Van Dam is like number one eighties nineties. And I'm
Speaker 2: gonna throw this out there, and this is gonna get
Speaker 2: people right tilted sideways more than Secret Layer MTG finance talk.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I am gonna say that Street Fighters John
Speaker 2: claud Vandorm's best movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, who Yeah, you'd liked him? Yeah, I did
Speaker 1: more than blood Spot. I didn't like it more than
Speaker 1: blood Boards, but I would argue that it was a
Speaker 1: better movie, Okay, like a better maid. It had like
Speaker 1: a bigger budget, it had better, like.
Speaker 2: Most of the budget went to Jean Claude Van Damn's.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah habit, Oh yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah yeah. He
Speaker 1: had a severe like dandruff problem. Oh yeah, he's allergic
Speaker 1: to dandruff and it's just everywhere. Yes, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: but I feel like yeah, and also Kylie Minoga was
Speaker 1: in that movie and she's just my favorite character.
Speaker 2: And that was pretty Wasn't that Raoul Julia's last movie ever?
Speaker 1: Sure was? He died like right finishing and it do you.
Speaker 2: Remember his monologue when he's showing them the city?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 2: And when I when I when little kid Ryan made
Speaker 2: the connection that Raoul Julia General m Bisen was Gomez
Speaker 2: Frickin' Adams. When I made that connection, and there's people
Speaker 2: in the nation that are watching that's sort of like.
Speaker 1: Wait, what, They're the same person, the same guy.
Speaker 2: When when Gomez Adams was shouting at the fricking police
Speaker 2: officer and in in Adams family and he's like hook them,
Speaker 2: book them, cook him or whatever he said, right, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's the same guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh man, what a pre show? What a preciow are
Speaker 2: you warmed up? This is the last thing? Is we
Speaker 2: don't have a winner because we're recording this before the
Speaker 2: next pre show actually came out. Yeah, so we're gonna
Speaker 2: we don't have a winner from last week.
Speaker 1: So we got two winners on the next show. We
Speaker 1: had a you've got a sporting event. I've got a
Speaker 1: little bit of a getaway going. We're gonna go see
Speaker 1: some I'm gonna try to go to Fort Edmonton.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, well, hey, we got to give some
Speaker 2: hints of tomorrow's commander. We've got a bug flying around us. Okay,
Speaker 2: so that's a hint Bloomborough Commander because it's.
Speaker 1: The it's flying around us. No wait, no, hang on,
Speaker 1: that's a bad hint.
Speaker 2: No it isn't.
Speaker 1: No, it's it is because that that'll throw people off
Speaker 1: if they watched last week's show, it's they obviously did
Speaker 1: like this just because it flies. It doesn't mean it's
Speaker 1: the flying one, that's.
Speaker 2: All, but it is or does.
Speaker 1: Yes, think hat, think utility thing. Oh yeah, watched last
Speaker 1: week's show and you'll know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Think Disney's Robin Hood. Oh yeah, that's the hint coming.
Speaker 1: People will get that.
Speaker 2: That's the hint.
Speaker 1: Or gummy bears.
Speaker 2: Also, I don't get that. Hint is the hat. I also,
Speaker 2: I still don't get it.
Speaker 1: You never watched Gummy Bears news a kid.
Speaker 2: He hasn't.
Speaker 1: Either they're bouncing here and there or everywhere. He doesn't know. No,
Speaker 1: that's fine.
Speaker 2: I feel like that was your time, not my time.
Speaker 1: Just trust me on this one. It's a good hint.
Speaker 2: Trust Uncle Brandaway.
Speaker 1: On cartoon references. Oh yeah, you can trust me on
Speaker 1: cartoon references for sure.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to steer you wrong there unless it's
Speaker 1: on purpose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not gonna smear me wrong unless it's on purpose. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2: So four forty nine, we've got this deck. It's actually
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a deck that we're told is going
Speaker 2: to be at the Sans Ryan and Brando CEO experience
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas. So if you're going to Vegas, you
Speaker 2: can play against this very deck. And I like the construction.
Speaker 2: I'm worried that we're going to find it doesn't have
Speaker 2: the top end power, but you never know.
Speaker 1: Ye, the person who built this deck, and we can't
Speaker 1: say it cons hint.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Actually, I've seen some decks that he's put together that
Speaker 1: have that lack of top end that kind of use
Speaker 1: value to replace top end, and he can get there sometimes.
Speaker 2: Man, you can get their hashtag MTG value. Yeah yeah, Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: four forty nine year Brando, you're here with Ryan hit
Speaker 2: our theme song, Berber Barbert