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<v Speaker 1>On on.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to CCO apreciow for episode four forty What do

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<v Speaker 2>we say? Nine nine sir?

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, take two because producer Gary had the microphone switched up.

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<v Speaker 1>That was that was gonna be a good one too.

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<v Speaker 1>That was gonna be our best pre show ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, We're we're wherever we are today, somewhere in Bloomboro.

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine I'm really I'm getting a sunburn because I

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<v Speaker 2>moved a light to make the lighting look good. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's skin cancer constantly on my end. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that you're having fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also making you sweat, which is making you smell

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Hey, I'm kind of self conscious about that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>just kidding. The Magic Flare self conscious about sweaty arn't bits,

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<v Speaker 2>sweaty butt cracks, sunburned skin cancer, boils or other skin imperfections.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what they have in Bloombergo guys playing

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<v Speaker 1>Turtles three on Nintendo and they're fighting Toka over there

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<v Speaker 1>right now on the roof with the big kN on

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<v Speaker 1>foot sign.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna talk about frogs

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<v Speaker 2>and turtles today. We're continuing the Bloomborough coverage. We're brought

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<v Speaker 2>to you by the wonderful patrons over at patreon dot

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<v Speaker 2>com slash CEO Podcast, whether they like it or not

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<v Speaker 2>better because I'm getting a sunburn.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I don't like? Okay, what I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell you something I don't like as of recording today.

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<v Speaker 2>Just wait a second, Uncle Brando doesn't like something.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, it's been a while. I feel like I've

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<v Speaker 1>been very good. So you you owe me this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've talked a little bit recently about the new

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<v Speaker 1>secret Layers that have all been coming out yep, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>and this one, I feel this one hit home a

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<v Speaker 1>little closer for me and and vastly for you because

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<v Speaker 1>people that you and I both know have come to

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<v Speaker 1>Brando saying, man, I wanted to buy the secret It's

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<v Speaker 1>just been on sale today.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, which one is it? Is it a summer super drop?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it the Bloomborough one? Which one specifically up.

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<v Speaker 1>And Down the l Vader, Brain Dead, Monty Python Fall,

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomborough Secret Layer, whatever the hell it's called.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I know which one you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>They got like, is it the.

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<v Speaker 2>One with like the tattooed arms, and the weird monster

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<v Speaker 2>ones that look like a cartoon and the Monty Python ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, and everybody wants the Monty Python ones. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the one that everybody wants. Yes, and they sold out

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<v Speaker 1>in an hour. Oh is that a record? Does that

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<v Speaker 1>make it the most popular secret layer of all time? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, it's just because they went from like print

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<v Speaker 1>to demand to like this is how many were gonna print?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and it just it's and I feel kind

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<v Speaker 1>of bad because I went to just look at them,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody's Oh I had waited line for forty five minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>they were sold out. I waited in line for zero minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I could have bought them because they weren't sold out,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't know anybody wasn't going to get in.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so I just didn't get made sure, there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted. Didn't buy them. But you know, so many

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<v Speaker 1>people are kind of hurting about it, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like all around the move to make them not print

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<v Speaker 1>to demand such a mistake, and specifically when they bring

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<v Speaker 1>in an outside ip, because I feel like you could

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<v Speaker 1>get like a I assume what they've done and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a financial guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm gonna talk some MTG finance here in a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>and as soon as you do your piece.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like they went to the not Princess Bride,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the Monty Python guys and said, hey, we want

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<v Speaker 1>to print you on some cards. It's gonna cost you

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<v Speaker 1>this much money. And then they gave them that much money,

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<v Speaker 1>and then WATSI went out and made a bunch of money.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, but I feel like probably doesn't work quite like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, there's there's an agreement, and now they're on

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<v Speaker 2>magic cards.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's an enticement where you could go

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<v Speaker 1>to a group like Monty Python or Capcom for Mega

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<v Speaker 1>Man or whatever and say, look, we want to make

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<v Speaker 1>a secret layer with you, and we'll give you this

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<v Speaker 1>percentage of each unit we sell, and thus making them

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<v Speaker 1>print demand would be better. So everybody gets what they want. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so the player base wins. Watsea makes way more money,

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<v Speaker 1>so they win, and the company that they're partnered with

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<v Speaker 1>makes way more money and as such they win. And

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<v Speaker 1>so it's so strange that they're not doing it that

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<v Speaker 1>way because people are so unhappy yeah with this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>here's here's it sucks that there's something that people love

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<v Speaker 1>so much and they can't get it, and that sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's some more complexities to add to this soup of

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Layer. Okay, you have to take into account things

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<v Speaker 2>like price breaks over a certain amount, and whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not you're going to get those price breaks, and how

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<v Speaker 2>deep into a price break you're gonna get, which affects

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<v Speaker 2>the average cost per card.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're assuming that Watsie does not own the means

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<v Speaker 1>of production in this case or have a very sweetheart

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<v Speaker 1>deal with said means of production.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, yes, we are assuming that because to my knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>I have never heard that wat he does own any

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<v Speaker 2>facilities that do create magic cards.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a Hasbro Disney situation.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be where yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Hasbro kind of puts it all the toys, but like Disney,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not a subsidiary of Disney yet. Yes, yeah, one

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<v Speaker 1>will eventually buy the other, but it has not happened yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just continue to with down the road of complexities

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<v Speaker 2>that we face as a consumer of this game and

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Layer. Okay, so if they make it print to

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<v Speaker 2>demand the I'm gonna say the average cost of cards

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<v Speaker 2>in that Secret Layer isn't as high because anybody can

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<v Speaker 2>get them, okay, and if anybody can get them, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the large retailers or mega buyers of secret layers don't

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<v Speaker 2>buy as many because they don't think that that price

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna hold and there's no resale value or collectibility,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, we've seen that that's not true with past

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm. I wonder if you did a full like financial

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<v Speaker 2>breakdown of the price or the sale model of each

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<v Speaker 2>secret layer and how it was sold versus like value

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<v Speaker 2>down the road in a year or two or three,

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of looked at how printed demand versus hard

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<v Speaker 2>hard print number or hard print run, how they hold

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<v Speaker 2>their value over time, and compare that with like how

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<v Speaker 2>many units sold. Now. The tricky part about doing it

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<v Speaker 2>that way, and this is why it gets even more complex,

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<v Speaker 2>is secret layers from five years ago didn't sell whether

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<v Speaker 2>there were hard print number or printed demand. They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>sell as many as they do now because magic has

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<v Speaker 2>exploded since then. So you'd have to like look at

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<v Speaker 2>those numbers as a percentage of like, yeah, there's few

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<v Speaker 2>layer base that did buy secret layers versus didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you look at the jacked up values of

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<v Speaker 1>some of the layers, and the one that I always

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<v Speaker 1>use for the example is the one that they've literally

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<v Speaker 1>reprinted all five cards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they just did that one right with the sol

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<v Speaker 2>ring and the boots and the things.

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<v Speaker 1>And they did that one. The one before, I argue

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<v Speaker 1>aesthetically is more pleasing and better. I do like that one,

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<v Speaker 1>but all the cards in it are very sought after

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<v Speaker 1>and thus are valuable now. And I'd imagine that this

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<v Speaker 1>elevator one with all the tattoo arts you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the one will be the same way, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>I just assume that, like these things will accrue value

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<v Speaker 1>if people want them. And this one, the cards selection

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<v Speaker 1>in the Monty Python secret Or, I would argue it

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<v Speaker 1>is not very good.

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<v Speaker 2>But everybody just wants tim and Dismember like that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they want.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Monty Python. It's what people have gotten. People like

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<v Speaker 1>you every Thursday on our Facebook page to alter those

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<v Speaker 1>pictures onto cards forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey you know what here they are now? Right, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>actually tell you a story. Yesterday I was going through

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<v Speaker 2>another revision of the alter book that I'm releasing on

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<v Speaker 2>August twelfth. Hit up commandercuocoad dot com to find it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found the Night that Gets Dismembered.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I painted that onto a magic card and use that

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<v Speaker 2>as a reference image for the section where I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about like the cultural impact of custom fan art on gaming.

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<v Speaker 2>Eyepsre you go, because now we have that exact same character.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh man, I was racking my brain and searching

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<v Speaker 2>all my thumb drives in my everywhere on my computer

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<v Speaker 2>and the internet to try and see did I ever

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<v Speaker 2>print a dismember with the Black Knight on it? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I have done that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure if you haven't done one, which I i,

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<v Speaker 1>I've definitely seen them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've done an old sworn Night from original l

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<v Speaker 2>Drain with no arms and no legs. And now there's

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<v Speaker 2>a black Knight dismember like with the same character. And

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was just a weird coincidence, and I

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<v Speaker 2>did a revision to the book to include that. There

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<v Speaker 2>you go, And yeah, it's one of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just it's it makes me upsets me, but

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<v Speaker 1>like it sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>You could be a mad nerd on the Internet. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>allow it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm upset for all the people that wanted this so

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<v Speaker 1>bad and they can't get it, and they can't get

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<v Speaker 1>it for some arbitrary reason. And the reason is somebody

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere along the line used some kind of abacus or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever they used to do math these days, to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What, we just do need to make all that money.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when it's so weird, it might be it

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<v Speaker 2>might be how the contract with that outside ip is

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<v Speaker 2>structured as well. I know that there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>subtleties with Middle Earth enterprises and how much they could

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<v Speaker 2>print Lord of the Rings in.

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<v Speaker 1>That way you can't find it anymore. And do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that do you think Monty Python would be the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing? You think that other like I'll bet you

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel right now is feverishly trying to rewrite contracts and

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<v Speaker 1>no print as much as you fucking want. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>keep selling it excitement, which is code for money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, Oh wait, hit that out cuts out of

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<v Speaker 2>the bank.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's just the thing. I didn't mean to

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<v Speaker 1>turn the whole secret layer into the whole secret layer,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole Appreciator discussion secret layer. It's just damn it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just it's such a piss off because so

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<v Speaker 1>many of our friends wanted them and they just got

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<v Speaker 1>left out in the cold. And so many tertiary humans

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<v Speaker 1>that I know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, I got I got a couple solutions,

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<v Speaker 2>good couple, and he's still going, folks, he ain't done.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck scalpers man.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, that's a good way.

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<v Speaker 1>That if you bought these dahos people on eBay, you suck.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You know what I love about Fusion Gaming Online

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<v Speaker 2>dot Com tell me is you can get sealed or

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like like if I wanted the Dismember, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a dollar more than the regular dismember, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But if I want that one, then I just go

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<v Speaker 1>I can confirm I have actually bought a few secret

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<v Speaker 1>layers that I didn't just buy out right, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>exact same number of dolls. Do Actually, because we're living Canada,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let the business daddy's pay the important shipping fees

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<v Speaker 2>and just reap the benefits. Second thing, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>me to paint the character on the card for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't paint all kinds of characters, so that don't

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<v Speaker 2>ask me for really, like any anime.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff, doesn't do wee stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mostly I just paint pictures of people's dogs and cats.

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<v Speaker 1>He did two for me though, which I still play.

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<v Speaker 2>And I what did I do recently? I did one? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I did a weird Al Yankovic out of all things

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<v Speaker 2>in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>What a strange, strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird Al Yankovic on a Keeper of the accord.

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<v Speaker 1>In yep, and that makes perfect sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And a blood spore thrine axe but it's blood Sport

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<v Speaker 2>thrine ax with Jovendam. I haven't done that one yet though.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't decided what reference image I'm going to use,

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<v Speaker 2>or the one with the bull cover of blood Sport.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell no, the one where he like, what's the oh.

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<v Speaker 2>When he does the splits and punches the guy in

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<v Speaker 1>What's the guy?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>It's the one where he gives the guy like the

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<v Speaker 1>got like the full van Dam going on full flat.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't tell if he just punched someone where he

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna sport is the best Vandam.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna throw this out there. I love it. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna throw two things out there. Jean Claude van Dam

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<v Speaker 2>s tier eighties nineties actor. I think I like Van

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<v Speaker 2>Dam like more than Stallone, more than Schwarzenegger. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Van Dam is like number one eighties nineties. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>people right tilted sideways more than Secret Layer MTG finance talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, I am gonna say that Street Fighters John

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<v Speaker 2>claud Vandorm's best movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, who Yeah, you'd liked him? Yeah, I did

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<v Speaker 1>more than blood Spot. I didn't like it more than

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<v Speaker 1>blood Boards, but I would argue that it was a

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<v Speaker 1>better movie, Okay, like a better maid. It had like

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger budget, it had better, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the budget went to Jean Claude Van Damn's.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah habit, Oh yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah yeah. He

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<v Speaker 1>to dandruff and it's just everywhere. Yes, but but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I feel like yeah, and also Kylie Minoga was

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<v Speaker 2>And that was pretty Wasn't that Raoul Julia's last movie ever?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure was? He died like right finishing and it do you.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember his monologue when he's showing them the city?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep?

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<v Speaker 2>And when I when I when little kid Ryan made

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<v Speaker 2>the connection that Raoul Julia General m Bisen was Gomez

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<v Speaker 2>Frickin' Adams. When I made that connection, and there's people

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<v Speaker 2>in the nation that are watching that's sort of like.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, what, They're the same person, the same guy.

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<v Speaker 2>When when Gomez Adams was shouting at the fricking police

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<v Speaker 2>officer and in in Adams family and he's like hook them,

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<v Speaker 2>book them, cook him or whatever he said, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's the same guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, what a pre show? What a preciow are

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<v Speaker 2>you warmed up? This is the last thing? Is we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a winner because we're recording this before the

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<v Speaker 2>next pre show actually came out. Yeah, so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have a winner from last week.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got two winners on the next show. We

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<v Speaker 1>had a you've got a sporting event. I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a getaway going. We're gonna go see

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<v Speaker 1>some I'm gonna try to go to Fort Edmonton.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, well, hey, we got to give some

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<v Speaker 2>hints of tomorrow's commander. We've got a bug flying around us. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's a hint Bloomborough Commander because it's.

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<v Speaker 1>The it's flying around us. No wait, no, hang on,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a bad hint.

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<v Speaker 2>No it isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's it is because that that'll throw people off

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<v Speaker 1>if they watched last week's show, it's they obviously did

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<v Speaker 1>like this just because it flies. It doesn't mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>the flying one, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>All, but it is or does.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, think hat, think utility thing. Oh yeah, watched last

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<v Speaker 1>week's show and you'll know what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Think Disney's Robin Hood. Oh yeah, that's the hint coming.

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<v Speaker 1>People will get that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the hint.

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<v Speaker 1>Or gummy bears.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I don't get that. Hint is the hat. I also,

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<v Speaker 2>I still don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>You never watched Gummy Bears news a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>He hasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Either they're bouncing here and there or everywhere. He doesn't know. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that was your time, not my time.

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<v Speaker 1>Just trust me on this one. It's a good hint.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust Uncle Brandaway.

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<v Speaker 1>On cartoon references. Oh yeah, you can trust me on

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<v Speaker 1>cartoon references for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to steer you wrong there unless it's

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<v Speaker 1>on purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not gonna smear me wrong unless it's on purpose. Yeah. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So four forty nine, we've got this deck. It's actually

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be a deck that we're told is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be at the Sans Ryan and Brando CEO experience

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<v Speaker 2>in Las Vegas. So if you're going to Vegas, you

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<v Speaker 2>can play against this very deck. And I like the construction.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm worried that we're going to find it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the top end power, but you never know.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye, the person who built this deck, and we can't

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<v Speaker 1>say it cons hint.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I've seen some decks that he's put together that

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<v Speaker 1>have that lack of top end that kind of use

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<v Speaker 1>value to replace top end, and he can get there sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, you can get their hashtag MTG value. Yeah yeah, Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>four forty nine year Brando, you're here with Ryan hit

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<v Speaker 2>our theme song, Berber Barbert