WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.000 All right, what's going on? It is drivetime. It's a 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:06.240 Friday afternoon. It's about eleven minutes past the hour of 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:08.960 two o'clock. Man, what a beautiful day. Fall is kind 4 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:12.160 of creeping towards us. It's pretty chilly yesterday. It's a 5 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:14.359 little warm, but man, it feels crazy. It's about seventy 6 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:18.079 eight to eighty degrees sunny here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 7 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:20.320 And as it is every single day, it's gonna have 8 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:22.960 you along for the ride. Fence check. It's behind the 9 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.079 mic back here in our beautiful Broadway media studios, our 10 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:31.199 ESPN seven hundred studios riding downtown Salt Lake. That young 11 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:33.960 man is Porter Larson producing the show today. And we 12 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:37.479 are absolutely cam path to say it every day. But 13 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:42.200 a Friday before a big weekend ahead in pro and 14 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:46.479 college football, with a ton to do, we get a 15 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:50.039 game tonight on Fox. It's the debut of the Fox 16 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.840 Friday Night College Football. Two really good Big twelve teams. 17 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:57.320 It's not a conference game. Keep hearing people say that 18 00:00:57.359 --> 00:00:59.759 it is. It's just like Utah Baylor. A week ago. 19 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.799 Arizona Case State had previously agreed to this matchup in 20 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.599 Manhattan Kansas. K State is a healthy seven point favorite. 21 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:10.599 The over under is sixty point five. Two really good 22 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:14.439 quarterbacks going at it. So little college football tonight to 23 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:17.040 wet your appetite for a big weekend ahead. That of 24 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:21.519 course includes Utah Utah State up in Maverick Stadium for 25 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:23.760 the first time in over a decade. Twelve years ago, 26 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.000 Utah went up the logan. They got got they lost 27 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.760 to the Aggies. We'll see if Utah can handle their business. 28 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:33.040 The line has moved once again Ford Utah State. Now 29 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:37.040 Utah is still an eighteen point favorite, so a healthy 30 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.760 favorite Utah is. We're gonna give you our picks later 31 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:43.920 on in the show, and we went five and one 32 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.560 last weekends. We went five and one against the spread. 33 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:49.400 I looked it up. Last year we finished twenty six 34 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.400 and twenty four, barely above five hundred. So hopefully we 35 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:54.959 can keep it rolling, give you our picks for the 36 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:58.400 local games, and also jump around a little bit around 37 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:02.079 the landscape of college football. Or two Arizona k State, 38 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:05.719 you get a little UNLV Kansas that's in Kansas City 39 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:08.479 at Children's Mercy Park. Kansas is a nine point favorite. 40 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:12.639 They're trying to bounce back after a loss last weekends 41 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:18.840 at Illinois, Arizona State barely escaped last night. Texas State's 42 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:20.520 a good team, man, they were actually a favorite, but 43 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.439 Arizona State is now three to zero as they win 44 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:26.120 a road game against Texas State. So Big twelve off 45 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:27.960 in a run. We do get our first Big twelve 46 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:34.759 conference matchup this weekend, so conference matchups are now going 47 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:37.000 to become a reality. The conference matchup this week is 48 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.000 UCFTCU that should be a good one. 49 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:39.639 M and G. 50 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:43.800 Carter Stadium down in Fort Worth, and of course BYU 51 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:48.240 on the road at war Memorial Stadium against Laramine. This 52 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:51.800 line has also moved, and it's also moved the way 53 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.960 of the home team. Wyoming is now a ten point underdog. 54 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:58.520 BYU's a ten point favorite. Over under is forty point 55 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:02.599 five lowsed over under if any Big twelve team all 56 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:06.120 weekend long. Obviously, BYU's offense has not looked great just yet, 57 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:10.400 so get you ready for a big weekend ahead. In 58 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:14.240 the landscape college football, local National, Big twelve Style, latest 59 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:17.400 on the PAC twelve back question mark, what does it 60 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:19.840 mean for Utah States? What does it mean for the 61 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.360 future of college football? We'll get some of those storylines 62 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:26.520 on the program today, Thursday Night Football. You heard it 63 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:29.960 on this little old radio station ESPN seven hundred. Buffalo 64 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:33.319 trounced Miami. The Bills are now eleven and one in 65 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:36.840 their last twelve games against the Dolphins. Big story though, 66 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:41.680 Hua Tonguava Loa with his fourth concussion in the last 67 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:43.599 five years. That includes one all the way back in 68 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:47.840 twenty nineteen at Alabama, and you know, the hands started 69 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:50.000 doing the fencing thing. I hate it. It's my most 70 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:52.159 un favorite thing about football when you see somebody on 71 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:55.400 the ground like that and they've lost control of their extremities. 72 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:58.599 A lot of conversation today today about what he should do. 73 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:02.439 It's not my place to tell that, but it doesn't 74 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:04.120 look great. And if you're Miami, not like this is 75 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:07.879 the most important thing. I thought. Mike McDaniel today addressed 76 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:10.719 it beautifully. Everyone's talking about should he keep playing football? 77 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:13.599 My man's got to make sure he's healthy before he 78 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:17.279 decides what he's gonna do. But their backup situation, Skyler Thompson, 79 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:19.920 it's not gonna get it done. So I wouldn't be 80 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.920 surprised if Miami's on the market now for a veteran quarterback, 81 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:24.279 because it looks like two is going to be out 82 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:27.199 for quite some time. I say it every year, Man, 83 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:31.160 we get spoiled on Sundays with the morning windows and 84 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:34.399 the afternoon windows on the Red Zone channel where there's 85 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:36.560 seven or eight games going on at once in the morning, 86 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:39.519 maybe three or four or five in the afternoons, then 87 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:41.240 the Island games. All you want is a good game. 88 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:43.120 That game was over at halftime. It may have been 89 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:46.079 over earlier than that. Buffalo is really good. Cole Bishop 90 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:50.199 making plays last night in the secondary some local flavor 91 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:53.399 on Thursday Night Football Dot and King KD four catches 92 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:57.360 thirty three yards or Buffalo. So Week two of the 93 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:59.759 NFL underway last night. We have a lot of really 94 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:02.560 good matchups. Man, excited for Week two of the NFL. 95 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:04.879 We'll keep you up to date on the injuries for 96 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:08.120 you fantasy football players, and maybe include some NFL games 97 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:10.680 with our pickham segment before we say good out at 98 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.639 six o'clock. The Utah Hockey Club their rookie exhibition game 99 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:18.639 will take place tomorrow as camp has started and we're 100 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:20.759 high speed ahead of the first regular season game coming 101 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:24.639 up on October the eighth, So we'll get to some 102 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.000 hockey stuff throughout the course of the show and keep 103 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:29.639 you up to date on all the latest happenings around 104 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:34.839 the Utah Hockey Club, including some very excited hockey club 105 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:39.160 beat riders. About these sweaters, it's getting kind of odd. 106 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:43.040 They're fine, but we've got a young man who works 107 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:45.480 for KSEL that can't stop tweeting about how clean the 108 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:49.040 sweaters look. It's getting a little bit weird. But hockey 109 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.519 is here excited for that. Of course. On the program today, 110 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:54.399 all right, good guests, listen. We'll start things off with 111 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:59.040 Rojoe Robert Johnson Warmber, defensive back from the University of Utah. 112 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:01.839 We'll get Rojo's take on I'll maybe a little bit 113 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:03.959 of a tricky game coming up tomorrow up in Logan. 114 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.519 We'll talk you tough football, Brojo, Max Brown, one of 115 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:09.120 my favorites to break it down with college football style. 116 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:11.920 He'll stop by do a little golf. The Black Desert 117 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.600 Championship is on its way to Saint George, Utah. Paul 118 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:18.360 Pugmyer stops by today. Then a big show, big hour. 119 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:22.120 Greig Bulerjack live and studio. Gordon Monson over the phone, 120 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:24.600 not sure what his excuse is, and then before we 121 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:26.480 say a night at six, we'll give you our pick 122 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:28.560 them segment, a six pack of picks for you guys 123 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:31.920 to decide what to do with. I always tell you 124 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.560 not to gamble on sports, but you know we'll give 125 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.920 you some games today on this Friday after excuse me, 126 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:41.800 on this Friday afternoon, Happy Friday to you. Congratulations you 127 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:45.279 made it his weekend time. Robert Johnson, Max Brown, Paul Pugmyer, 128 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:48.439 Craig Bowler, Jack Gordon Montson, he Spence Check. Its all 129 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:50.639 of you, the great listeners, and that guy Porter Larson 130 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:54.720 on a Thursday afternoon. Have you ever been concussed? 131 00:06:54.800 --> 00:07:01.279 To your knowledge, I actually have too much experience with 132 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:02.040 the two of stuff. 133 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.199 Do you have any because you it's not just you 134 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:07.360 you're a football player, but you also like to ride 135 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.680 horses and do things that is not safe for your health. Yeah. 136 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:15.279 I've had a motorcycle accident that resulted in one a 137 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.600 horse situation where I was, you know, hung up in 138 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:23.120 the saddle and whatnot getting thrown around. And then both 139 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:26.160 in football and in basketball I had a situations. So 140 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:32.480 I've had four I think diagnosed in probably several others 141 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.240 and then yeah, man, it's it's kind of a complicated 142 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:36.839 little thing to traverse. 143 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.079 Yeah man, that's I hate you watching it. It's my 144 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.519 most favorite thing about watching football. That's been a big 145 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:44.519 story today throughout the new cycle. All right, let's get 146 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:46.800 into it. Rojo will be our first guest on this 147 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.600 Friday afternoon. But before we get to Robert Johnson, we 148 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:52.879 have a new sponsor for opening Tip, our friends at 149 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:57.759 Standard Restaurant Supply. Standard Restaurant supplies your tailgate headquarters get 150 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.399 everything you need to make your tailgate epics. 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The 160 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:32.080 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 161 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:35.440 Standard Restaurant Supply, your one stop shop to build the 162 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:40.120 best tailgate in town. Standard Restaurant Supply, thirty five hundred 163 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:41.159 Southwest Temple. 164 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:44.240 I'm gonna give you some picks coming up in just 165 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:47.159 a little bit, So let's jump around a little bit 166 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:50.360 with some college football stuff here on this segment. It 167 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:52.519 gets you guys ready for the weekend. Of course, for 168 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:54.840 the first time in twelve years, Utah heads up to 169 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.639 Logan to take on Utah State. All indications are under 170 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:01.200 center will be one young Isaac Wilson at the age 171 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.960 of eighteen, having enrolled in school to you in April, 172 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:08.879 and Utah State is expected to start former Utah quarterback 173 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:11.279 Bryson Barnes. So the line has moved a couple of 174 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:13.759 different times here. As we sit here right now, Utah 175 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:16.960 is an eighteen point favorite over under his forty three 176 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.159 and a half. Kickoff time is going to be two thirty. 177 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:23.399 Our pregame coverage with that guy Porter Larson will begin 178 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:26.120 at ten to thirty coming up on Saturday, so make 179 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:28.039 sure to set your calendars for that. You know, it's 180 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.440 interesting there are a lot of like random rivalry games 181 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.320 coming up this weekend. It's not necessarily rivalry weekend that 182 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:38.720 takes place later, and I'm not saying Utah Utah State 183 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.200 is necessarily that, but it is a little bit of 184 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:44.320 a tricky game for a couple of different reasons. We 185 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:46.240 just don't know what the offense is going to look 186 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.240 like under Isaac Wilson. Utah State their head coach, Nate 187 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.639 Driland's also their defensive coordinator, and so I would imagine schematically, 188 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.720 and we talked to Yogi Roth about this yesterday that 189 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:00.240 they will be sound and Utah State more often not 190 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:03.360 is a sound defensive team. I think they ran into 191 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:06.440 a national championship contender a week ago in Los Angeles 192 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:08.879 with Southern Cal. With how they've been starting out, I 193 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:11.320 don't really sweat this game when it comes to the 194 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:13.919 Utah side of things. I don't love the line though, 195 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:15.320 and we'll get to that coming up in just a 196 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:18.120 little bit. So Utah trying to stay clean in the 197 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.559 non con and try to stay healthy in the non 198 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.519 con before we launch into Big twelve play with four 199 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.200 really tough games right out of the gates at Oklahoma State, 200 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:30.720 home against Arizona at Arizona State, who won last nightither 201 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:33.799 three and zero, and then home against TCU. Really curious 202 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:37.080 to see TCU UCF coming up this weekend. I do 203 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.240 think those are two of the more under talked about 204 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:41.879 Big twelve teams this year. So right out of the 205 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:43.600 gates and the Big twelve, we are going to learn 206 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:45.960 a lot about the utes. But prior to that, you 207 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.360 got to take care of business. Don't get caught. Looking 208 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.440 ahead to Okay State, I would imagine coach Wit and 209 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:53.840 his staff have these kids ready to play and having 210 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:57.039 them understand like, look, we're heading up there without our guy, 211 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.799 without our alpha, without our leader, Camon Rising. This has 212 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:02.200 to be a team effort. This has to be a 213 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:04.159 team win. I do think they go up and handle 214 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:07.600 their business. I don't love that line BYU heads to Laramie. 215 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:11.039 Also with injury concerns of their own, they're without LJ. 216 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:14.120 Martin and Hinckley Rapati, according to reports, are gonna be 217 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.320 without their first two choice running backs. It does seem 218 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.360 like to have a little depth in that room. That 219 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.000 fourth and one, what was a thirty seven yard scamper. 220 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:23.159 That was Miles Davis, so he'll be fine. There are 221 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:24.679 a couple of other guys in that room. But that 222 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:28.399 line has also moved the way towards Wyoming. Just like 223 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.039 the line has moved towards Utah State, it's moved towards Wyoming. 224 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:34.480 BYU is a ten point favorite as we sit here today. 225 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:38.759 BYU has the lowest over under of any Big twelve 226 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:41.679 team this weekend at forty point five. That offense has 227 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:44.679 not been great. I kind of feel the same way 228 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:47.799 about BYU this weekend as I do about Utah. I 229 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.120 do think they win, I don't think they cover. I'm 230 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:52.000 not sure I love that line. I see kind of 231 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:55.600 a low scoring, like seventeen to ten type situation for BYU, 232 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:57.919 something like that. But we'll get to our picks later 233 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:02.639 on real quick, before we catch a break. I just 234 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:05.480 wanted to chime in on this news cycle concerning Tua 235 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:10.360 Tongua Iloa last night Thursday Night football Tua. Unfortunately, you 236 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:13.240 guys probably watched it. The NFL first week numbers, the 237 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:17.679 average NFL game is being consumed by twenty one million 238 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:22.320 people in our country, massive record breaking numbers. Also college football, 239 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.320 massive record breaking numbers. I mean, our country's appetite for 240 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:27.759 football is not a new thing, but it does not 241 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:32.120 seem to be diminishing, regardless of the perceived issues on 242 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:34.840 both the college and the pro level. Folks are consuming 243 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:36.559 this sport at a very high level. So you were 244 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:39.159 probably watching last night or maybe you were listening as 245 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:41.039 we are your home with the NFL in this market 246 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:44.840 to the Bills Dolphins game. The game itself was over 247 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.840 prior to halftime. Basically, the Bills had a twenty four 248 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:51.759 to ten lead at half, and Tua did not look 249 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:54.519 good prior to the injury. He threw three picks, two 250 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:57.600 of them really really bad. But in the third quarter, 251 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:00.000 you know, y'all saw it. It was fourth down, he scrammed, 252 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:02.480 he takes to hit Tomorrow. Hamlin, by the way, is 253 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:04.279 the guy to hit him a little bit iron you there, 254 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:07.799 and of course no ill intent, and then the handstart defence. 255 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:10.480 He starts to shake a little bit. And I'm watching it, 256 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:12.840 texting with some friends and some buddies of mine and 257 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:16.000 my brothers who are watching it as well. And you know, 258 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:20.000 it's really easy for people that have a microphone, are 259 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:23.519 really easy for people who feel like they're courageous on 260 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:25.759 the Internet, and the Internet and social media is where 261 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:28.799 cowards go to feel brave to chime in on what 262 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:33.000 Tua should do. Okay, So Ultimately, I do find this 263 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.720 topic interesting as a result of my experience with professional athletes, 264 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:40.200 both both working with them on the team side and 265 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.559 then working with them on the media side. I've had 266 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.320 a lot of ex pro athletes as co hosts and shows, 267 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:48.320 whether it's pre Aff and Post or just my Daily 268 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:50.759 And the fact of the matter is, and this is 269 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:53.399 a little bit of a cliche, they are built different. 270 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:57.039 That's why they're pros. They're built different, They're born different. 271 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:00.840 There's a genetic component to ninety nine percent of pro 272 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:04.360 athletes that that folks like us cannot relate to. If 273 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:06.480 you're just built like a normal dude, I'm about five 274 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:09.480 eleven point eighty, right, I'm just a guy. And then 275 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:12.320 you know, for me growing up playing sports, whenever i'd 276 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:14.000 run into a guy that was like a high level 277 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:15.840 college guy or a pro guy, I'm like, Okay, well 278 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:17.480 you better find something else to do with your time 279 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:20.840 because you are not that. And just simply saying, okay, 280 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.360 four concussions, five years, you got to hang it up. 281 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.360 I feel like that's really short sighted because I think 282 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.720 it lacks a fundamental understanding of how important the craft 283 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:35.159 is to these people. And oftentimes we see players and 284 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:38.600 coaches too hanging on for way too long, Like your 285 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:40.840 expiration day was four or five years ago. Man, Like 286 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.720 I'll never forget seeing Patrick Ewing wear a Sonics jersey, right, 287 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:47.639 Brett Favre, Joe Montana, guys at the end of their 288 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:50.679 career wearing other jerseys. It never felt right. Karl Malone 289 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:53.840 in a Lakers jersey never felt right. It's very rare. 290 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:57.080 It does happen. But Andrew Luck is an outlier. You know, 291 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.799 these guys that walk away in their twenties, in their 292 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.720 when there are hundreds of millions of dollars left to 293 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.519 be made, that's a rare thing. And Luck was a 294 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:08.200 unique guy. He was a cerebral guy. He was a thinker, 295 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:10.559 and he did not leave as a result of some 296 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:13.080 sort of catastrophic injury. But if you read the Seth 297 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:16.679 Wickerstran piece that was written on Andrew about two years ago, 298 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:19.120 he did leave because he felt his body starting to 299 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:21.240 break down. And he was in his twenties, right, so 300 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:23.480 he had the foresight to do something. We've seen some 301 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:26.759 other football players walk away really early, and some of 302 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:29.000 the players that walk away early walk away because of 303 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:33.879 what we now know about CTE, and certainly it is 304 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:37.200 my sincere hope that Tua or any other player is 305 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.360 not eating out of a straw in their fifties or 306 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:42.480 can't find the school to pick up their kids when 307 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:47.480 they're driving like you do. Hear horrible, horrible stories. Players 308 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:50.679 have taken their lives, Some players have taken other people's lives, 309 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.279 and then the brain scan comes back, whether it's oj Simpson, 310 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:57.360 Aaron Hernandez, and it's like, yeah, their brain is riddled 311 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.279 with this CTE stuff, and so we know more about it. 312 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.159 And so certainly it's easy for us to say the 313 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:06.000 two of Tongua i Loa at the age of twenty six, 314 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:09.519 who still probably has a decade maybe a football left 315 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.480 in him, like dude, that's enough. It's four and five years, 316 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.240 you've made more money than you need the contracts. I 317 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:18.200 don't know what the details would be as far as 318 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.399 ah amnesty clause, if Miami would just simply pay the money, 319 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:23.879 but at this point, I don't think money's an issue 320 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:25.919 for two of Tongue of Iloa, and I think it's 321 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:28.480 gonna be interesting to see how he traverses this space 322 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:33.159 because there are already reports. Who knows how credible. They 323 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:36.960 are that to his family is asking him to consider 324 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:39.559 shutting it down. And when I see it in a 325 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:42.440 vacuum watching Thursday night football, and suddenly a guy who 326 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:44.000 I like a lot man I've always been a to 327 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:46.399 a guy I've always I loved him at Bama, you know, 328 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:48.600 the twuo of Borrow stuff got a little one sided. 329 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.080 Burrow obviously was the choice O one, but I always 330 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:54.720 loved to and he just seems like such a sweet kid, 331 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:57.399 and he seems like such a thoughtful guy. And he 332 00:16:57.519 --> 00:16:59.519 has a couple of kids. He has a couple of kids, 333 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:02.360 and he's married, and so that probably has to come 334 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:05.079 into play, but ultimately it will be up to the player. 335 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:08.759 So reports are that his wife, you know, his children, 336 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:11.599 And can you imagine if you were watching football and 337 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:14.079 that's your dad, and that's the fourth time you've seen 338 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:16.359 this in five years. Certainly you would like him to 339 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:18.839 come home. Certainly you would like him to make sure 340 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.400 that he's preventative about his mental ability to just be 341 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.400 a capable person in his fifties and sixties. This is 342 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:28.680 not about Tua over the next five years. This is 343 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.480 about the rest of Tua's life, and it's not about 344 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:33.319 Kenny play in a couple of weeks. It's about can 345 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.400 he get healthy and then from there, with his doctors 346 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:38.759 and his family, can he make the right decision. But 347 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:43.319 when these guys walk away, it's hard to articulate how 348 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:47.119 lost they seem from time to time. I mean Hans Olsen, 349 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:50.079 Brian Dunseth, Britton, Johnson. I could go on and on 350 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:52.960 with all of the ex pros that I've worked with here, 351 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:55.640 and I could go on and on about all the 352 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:57.279 ex pros that I used to work with when I 353 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:00.119 was on the team side and watching them hold on 354 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:04.799 so long, And initially I didn't fully understand, like, okay, 355 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:07.519 you're done, Patrick Ewing, you can't play the way you 356 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:09.400 used to play. And there are so many examples. I 357 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:11.920 could go, like achem Olajuan with a raptor's jersey on, 358 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.680 like so many examples. But then when I started to 359 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:19.400 witness a lot of these guys after they retired, and 360 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:22.599 how lost they were, Like Anthony Mason, you know, the 361 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.039 former Nick you know he held on for a while, 362 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:27.480 he got traded for Larry Johnson, he played in Charlotte 363 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:32.359 and Mace retired and completely lost his will. He was 364 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:35.440 dead before he was sixty, right, And so I saw 365 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:37.400 a lot of this stuff. And that's why I never 366 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.240 criticized an athlete for continuing to play. Not a coach 367 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.960 tell me once, play until somebody tells you you can't. 368 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:46.839 And for me, that was my freshman year in college. 369 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:49.240 For these guys, it's their living, it's their life, it's 370 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:52.920 their identity, and when they walk away, when they're this young, 371 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:56.640 oftentimes it's as chaotic if they keep playing and put 372 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:58.759 their health in jeopardy. I'm not a doctor. I don't 373 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:01.559 know the deal with Tua, but I just find the 374 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:04.240 new cycle a little sickening when everybody tells him what 375 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:07.160 he's supposed to do, when the only person that ultimately 376 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:10.960 knows is him, and he'll take advice from doctors, he'll 377 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:14.160 take advice from his family. Ultimately. It just sucks because 378 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:15.680 he does seem like such a great kid, and he's 379 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:20.160 a really good player. Utah heads to Logan without their 380 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:24.480 starting quarterback coming up tomorrow, BYU heads to larn Me 381 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:27.920 without their first two choice running backs, so two teams 382 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:31.400 with some injury issues. Utah is a eighteen point favorite, 383 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.880 BYU's a ten point favorite. But Week three of college 384 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:36.599 football is here. Next guest, one of my favorites to 385 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:39.640 break it down, my buddy Max Brown on a Friday afternoon. Max, 386 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:41.039 Happy Friday, man, How are we doing. 387 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:43.720 Every Friday spend's doing well? How are you? 388 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:45.880 I'm well. I appreciate your time. I want to start 389 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:48.480 actually with a story out of the NFL, because you're 390 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:51.720 a former high level quarterback and I started the show 391 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:54.960 off today with the two of stuff and I'm I'm 392 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.359 always uncomfortable when I follow a new cycle after an 393 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:01.200 injury and media fo get you out of microphone and 394 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:03.960 say you need to retire, you should step away. At 395 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:06.519 the same time, I hate watching what I saw last 396 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:09.559 night and Max, that's four concussions in five years. He 397 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:13.119 had won Abama in nineteen. Their reports that his family 398 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:15.759 are encouraging him to look to step away. I don't 399 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:17.880 know how credible those are. But you're the guy for 400 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:19.720 this because you played the position. What do you make 401 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.240 of where we find ourselves with Tua a day after 402 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:23.920 his fourth concussion in five years. 403 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:27.200 Yeah, I like the way that you started that because 404 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:29.519 obviously nowither of us are doctors. And at the end 405 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:32.759 of the day, I think that's the most important important 406 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:35.799 word is that Dolphins trainer and what they're advising him, 407 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:38.000 and I'm sure he's going to specialists, and I think 408 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:39.880 we all can agree. And I saw the same Sports 409 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:42.200 Center segments last night of you know, everyone, everyone kind 410 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:44.839 of saying that. But at the same time, we've also 411 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:48.079 all been around football long enough and have had the 412 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.680 awareness to see kind of where this road can potentially head. 413 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:55.680 And you also can look back. It's not like we're 414 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:58.119 just talking he one bad concussion, now like we're just 415 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:02.039 talking two bad concussions. Is now number three. And I 416 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:05.319 think the timing is unfortunate. Obviously, he's got a family, 417 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.200 he's got to worry about that that it's priority one 418 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:11.119 for sure, and end of statement there. But I also 419 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:13.799 think when you talk about from a football analysis side 420 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:15.799 and from the Miami Dolphins side, the fact that they 421 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:19.519 just resigned him for a contract makes this dynamic all 422 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:23.279 the more delicate, all the more gut wrenching. I think 423 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:25.640 if this is a quarterback on the tail end, it's 424 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.759 maybe a different tone. I think if it's a quarterback 425 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:30.319 that did not just sign a I believe it's one 426 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:34.680 hundred and eighty six million dollars guaranteed contract for everyone involved. Obviously, 427 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:38.279 his health is priority one, but for everyone involved, Tua 428 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:42.839 to his family, to his teammates, to the coaches Mike McDaniel, 429 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:45.799 there's just so much riding on this decision that it's 430 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:48.920 a delicate one. But it's hard to watch, and it 431 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:51.640 would not surprise me if Tua stepped away when it's 432 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:52.960 all said and done, one. 433 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:54.839 More thing on this, then we'll get to the college stuff. 434 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:58.720 The other thing that has I don't know. It's kind 435 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:01.200 of a lesson I had to learn when I was younger. 436 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:04.240 But I used to when an athlete would walk away, 437 00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:07.559 or excuse me, when an athlete would continue to play 438 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.119 when he clearly didn't have it anymore. I always wonder, 439 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:12.920 like what are you doing? You know, like why are 440 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:16.519 you still out there? And then I witnessed several athletes 441 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:21.119 step away and really struggle to find their footing and 442 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:23.519 struggle to find what's next. And I don't think you 443 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.400 ever fully. I was talking to some of our local 444 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:29.160 soccer guys here the other night who have retired. They 445 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.160 want a cup. In two thousand and nine, we had 446 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:34.519 a little celebration for him, and they've all gone on 447 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:36.920 to do other things. Ones A sports agent one's a 448 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:38.839 college coach. There are a couple of guys that are 449 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:41.000 coaching with a team, but they also said the same thing, 450 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:43.279 and that is nothing that we've done has come close 451 00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:44.880 to what it felt like to play the sport that 452 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:49.359 we love. And you know, when there's a situation like 453 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:51.480 this where a guy may need to walk away young, 454 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:55.160 I always caution people like it's a little bit more 455 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:58.079 difficult than I think most people understand for athletes to 456 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:00.000 walk away from the sport that they love. What was 457 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:02.720 it like for you and what are your thoughts on 458 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:06.200 just the general dynamic of athletes walking away and then 459 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:08.880 struggling to find the thing that they love so much, 460 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:11.079 because nothing that you will ever find will meet that 461 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:12.519 they're just it just doesn't exist. 462 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:15.759 Yeah, it's a great question and certainly one that's that's 463 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:17.319 close to my heart, and not that I ever played 464 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:20.160 at to his level per se, but I can relate 465 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:24.640 to having quarterback be pretty much your identity, your entire life. 466 00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:26.440 And it's funny because Spent I know, I've been coming 467 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:27.960 on your show for a few years now, but it 468 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:31.680 took me just until this past summer to go all 469 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:35.480 in into football broadcasting, and I had a different job 470 00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:38.279 on the side for the past five years and had 471 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:41.119 a couple of career changes along the way. And it's 472 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:42.960 one of those things where, like you said, I mean, 473 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.079 you're trying to figure out what what your identity is, 474 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.799 what your pursuits are post football. And even for a 475 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:50.039 guy like myself, which I'd like to think, you know, 476 00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:53.200 I had had a level head with that transition process, 477 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:55.279 which not everyone does. Even I you know, you know, 478 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:57.640 struggled with that with that transition. And so if you 479 00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:59.720 look at a guy who's in the NFL, who's been 480 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:02.279 playing you know, to what five six years, or guys 481 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:05.359 even longer, eight, nine, ten years, and literally your entire 482 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:08.319 identity is who you are as a football player and 483 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:10.680 you go to the grocery store. And if we're being honest, 484 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:13.119 for the rest of Tua his life, he will always 485 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:16.640 be the Miami Dolphins quarterback, for better or for worse, 486 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:19.000 potentially if he's trying to move on to the next phase. 487 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:22.440 And that is a tough transition, especially for guys that 488 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.240 like two of who he was a huge recruit coming 489 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:28.039 to high school. He was a huge player at Alabama. 490 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.519 He was a big time NFL quarterback and that's gonna 491 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:32.240 be with him forever. I think a lot of guys 492 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:35.160 struggle to turn the page. I know I had had 493 00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:36.920 a hard time with it as well, and I'm I'm 494 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:38.359 sure not saying that two was going to do it 495 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:40.400 for sure, but for all those big time quarterbacks, that 496 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:42.519 adjustment can can be difficult, no doubt. 497 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:45.640 All right, let's move over to some college football storylines. 498 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:48.720 We'll start with the team that plays their home ball 499 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:51.279 about a mile away from where we're broadcasting, as Utah 500 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:55.240 heads up to Logan for the first time in twelve years. 501 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:57.240 Last time they went up there, they got got Utah 502 00:24:57.319 --> 00:24:59.519 stay got them. But it's a different, different story. But 503 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:02.680 here's my question for you. Isaac Wilson, according to all reports, 504 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:05.720 will be under center. The line has moved a couple 505 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.559 of different times. It's settled at eighteen utahstell a healthy favorite. 506 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:13.519 But outline for us, what looks like what success looks 507 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:16.119 like for Isaac? How coach Loud handles the playbook? Do 508 00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:17.640 they open it up a little bit more than they 509 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:21.400 did against Baylor? What should you fans expect from their 510 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:23.920 QB two and what does success looking sound like? Max? 511 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.599 I think success for Isaac Wilson looks like just an 512 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:31.000 efficient day at the office and not making not making 513 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:32.880 that huge mistake. And I don't think he needs to, 514 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:35.400 you know, throw for three hundred yards. Shoot. I don't 515 00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:37.079 even know if he needs to throw for two hundred yards. 516 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:38.640 But I think the stat line that he needs to 517 00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:41.200 have is, you know, if he can hang around that 518 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:45.079 seventy percent completion percentage with no turnovers, that to me 519 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:49.279 success success for him. I think Utah fans, and you know, 520 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:52.880 college football fans in general, have maybe taken for granted 521 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:55.079 how could have a passer Cam Rising is. I think 522 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.640 he makes a lot of those intermediate timing routes look 523 00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:01.160 very easy, and then what his replacement comes in, it's like, oh, wow, 524 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.880 it's not that easy. I think it speaks to Cam's 525 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.680 understanding of timing, Cam's experience, and just Cam's count as 526 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:09.960 a as a passer in that system. And so when 527 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.799 you go to Isaac Wilson and honestly reminds me of 528 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:16.680 you know, maybe where Utah was at offensively before Cam Rising, 529 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.200 or maybe even before Tyler Huntley, or maybe a young 530 00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:21.799 Tyler Huntley, where it was a lot of hey, let's 531 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:23.839 split the field in half. And not ask him to 532 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.799 do full field reads, get his legs and involved, utilize 533 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:28.480 the play action, and then get him out on the 534 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.000 get him out in the run, because not only is 535 00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:33.039 getting a quarterback out in the run, he's able to 536 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:35.440 use his legs. But I also think when you cut 537 00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:38.359 the field in half, reading a defense is much easier. 538 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.319 It's a level one, level two checkdown, level one, level 539 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:44.240 two checkdown. And I think that's the recipe for success 540 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.680 as you're working in a new quarterback, especially when you 541 00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:48.920 got good tight ends that you like and a couple 542 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:50.839 of receivers that can be explosive downfield. 543 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:56.079 So what is the MaTx Brown level of concern? I 544 00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:58.039 said this earlier, We're going to do our picks before 545 00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:00.480 we say good night. I think Utah win. But I 546 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.839 don't love that line Max. It's an in state game. 547 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:05.279 There are a lot of the dynamics of these. A 548 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:07.880 lot of the Utah State players probably wish they could 549 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:10.480 have played at Utah been recruited by Kyle I mean 550 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.799 Colorado Colorado State, like they are rivalry games this weekend 551 00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.000 that have the same dynamic, and that's kind of a 552 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:18.759 funky place to play. It's a great campus and the 553 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:22.440 students are awesome, and you know, Utah State has gone 554 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.599 through the ringer of this offseason, losing their coach for 555 00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:28.440 a number of different reasons. But should you fans have 556 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:32.319 any consternation leading up to Utah Utah State tomorrow afternoon? 557 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:35.839 Yeah, it's a question. With rivalry weeks, I didn't catch 558 00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:37.240 the line. What is the line in this game? 559 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:38.680 Utah favored by eighteen? 560 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:43.519 Oh? Bit man, that's a lot of points. It feels 561 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:45.319 like that's the theme this week right everything I've been 562 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:49.880 listening to these you know, rivalry week games where people 563 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:53.799 are picking the better team to win, but the lesser 564 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.799 or the underdog to at least cover. I feel like 565 00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:58.920 it feels like that is. I feel like everyone's taking 566 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:01.039 Oregon State to cover, and feels like a lot of 567 00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:04.000 people are taking Washington State versus Washington to cover, but 568 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:06.559 again for Washington to ultimately win that game and for 569 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.200 Oregon ultimately win that game. And I think from a 570 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.640 cover standpoint, I think there would be concerns if I 571 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:13.960 was putting money on this game. Eighteen points is a ton, 572 00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:17.480 especially when you have an unproven quarterback. I mean, just 573 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.880 simply to put up the amount of points that you're 574 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:21.640 gonna need to cover. That's going to be difficult. And 575 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.079 then when you mix in a rivalry game on the road, 576 00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.720 you never know talent aside, you never know how a 577 00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:31.440 younger quarterback is going to adjust to just that atmosphere. 578 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.599 And knowing that he knows the deal, he knows that 579 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.559 Cam Rising was the all world, all everything quarterback and 580 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.160 now he's no more, and every pressure is on the 581 00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:41.559 backup guy. You better believe as a backup quarterback. You 582 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:45.480 know that. And I think the mentality and starting fast 583 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.519 those first couple of drives is critical. But I think 584 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:50.400 Utah will take care of business. I think you know 585 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:53.160 we've seen this before. Of hey, even when even when 586 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:56.359 the quarterback isn't at a even good level, let's just 587 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.559 say it's an average level, that they could come out 588 00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:00.359 and find wins in different ways. 589 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.160 So Max and you and I last spoke, the PAC 590 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.480 twelve is back, question Mark. You know, it's interesting to 591 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.160 follow this news cycle. I mean, look, I wonder what 592 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:12.759 it means for UTAs Stana friends up in Logan, but 593 00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:15.480 I'm excited at the prospect of the of the PAC 594 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.319 twelve coming back. So we all know the story about 595 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:21.839 one hundred and eleven million dollars in exit fees due 596 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:25.000 to the Mound West Conference from the departing institutions and 597 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.319 also the PAC twelve. I mean, Oregon State and Wazoo 598 00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.279 were sitting on a load of cash as a result 599 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:32.640 of the settlements for the corner schools that bounce and 600 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:37.160 obviously Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal two. So they utilize that money. 601 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.440 They moved some of it to the Mountain West. Starting 602 00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:42.359 in twenty six, they'll get these four teams. They still 603 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:44.559 need to add two more, as you know. But what 604 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:46.359 was your reaction to the story. What are your thoughts 605 00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:49.240 on the resurrection of the PAC twelve, far before any 606 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:50.200 of us thought it was coming. 607 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.759 Yeah, I'm excited for the Bees and the coupes first 608 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:55.400 and foremost. I mean, I've spent a lot of time 609 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.799 around the Bees, especially the past couple of years, just 610 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:01.200 with calling their games and following its directory of Jonathan Smith. 611 00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:05.039 So I think this is a stabilizing force in some regard. 612 00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:07.519 I think there was a lot of uncertainty just long term, 613 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:09.640 and that was always the narrative around both those both 614 00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:13.000 those programs, and I think this stabilizes things. I still 615 00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:15.759 love the stand that I don't think this is the 616 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.039 end of things. I think there could potentially be a 617 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.160 shake up in the ACC. I think there could be 618 00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:22.200 a shake up with the power too at the very 619 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.880 top of Hey, if they start branching off, you know, 620 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:28.599 three five years down the road. Like, I don't think 621 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:30.599 this is the end, but I think it's critical for 622 00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.119 Washington State and Oregon State to at least not feel 623 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.359 like they relegated. And I think that's what you accomplished 624 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.319 by this move is it's not necessarily Hey, we're going 625 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.839 down to the Mountain West, and everyone knows the PAC 626 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:46.279 calls not obviously where it was two years ago. But 627 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.640 I think the optics make a lot or sound a 628 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:52.440 lot better for Washington State and Oregon State, especially if 629 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:57.279 there's another deck reshuffling here in five, seven, ten years 630 00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.000 kind of thing. So that was my first takeaway. I 631 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:05.599 think second takeaway was I admire Commissioner Teresa Gold PAC 632 00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.480 twelve commissioner for being proactive in this decision. I think 633 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.119 that's one thing the PAC twelve they got out maneuvered 634 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:16.079 from a business standpoint the past two three years, shoot, 635 00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.640 you could probably even say past twelve years. And that's 636 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.680 why the PAC twelve dissolved initially, and I think they 637 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:24.680 learned from that experience and said, hey, even if we're 638 00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:28.160 hopeful that hey, Stanford and Colum might come back, or 639 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.359 we're hopeful that a big twelve invite might come, you 640 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:33.920 just can't sit on the sideline. And even if there 641 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:35.599 was a world where that was going to happen where 642 00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:37.720 I don't know if that's necessarily the case, but I 643 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.119 know people were hoping for that. I don't think you 644 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.160 can take that chance. And I commend them for being 645 00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:44.720 proactive taking the bull by their help by the Horns 646 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.400 and creating this move. And the exit fees is significant. 647 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:51.640 I'm fascinated to see what that final number ends up being. 648 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.319 I've read things that yes, it's one hundred and fifteen 649 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.359 million dollars on paper, but attorneys have a funny way 650 00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.960 of condensing that number when you look at history of 651 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:04.240 conference re alignment a little bit. So that'll be interesting 652 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:08.519 to see. And then my employer, I call games for 653 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:11.559 the CW. The CW has the PAC twelve package currently 654 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.920 with Oregon State in Washington State, I think the TV rights, 655 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.599 where does that net out for those six schools and 656 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.839 tuned to potentially be eight or who knows, maybe attend schools. 657 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.200 I'd be very curious behind the scenes because it is 658 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.559 a critical factor. What does that TV rights deal look 659 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.799 like long term for those six schools? If you're Boise, 660 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.119 if your friends no State, your San Diego state, your 661 00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:36.279 Colorado state, that would be the question that I would 662 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:40.079 be modeling really my entire athletic department around and so 663 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.079 I haven't heard specifics there and I'm fascinated to see 664 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:44.119 what comes to that. 665 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.680 Any thoughts on who the other schools will be to 666 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:50.599 get the invite as that reference to be a accredited 667 00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.960 FBS conference, you have to have eight. They're at six. 668 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.559 According to what I've read, Vegas feels obvious, UNLV feels obvious, 669 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.759 and there's Memphis, there's Tulane, There's some other options out there. 670 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:03.519 Then there's there's Utah State. I look, Darren Logan, all 671 00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:07.039 due respect, it's not a thriving television market, but we 672 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:09.599 like our agues around here. Any thoughts on who the 673 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:11.960 other two schools could be they get the invite prior 674 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.000 to twenty twenty six, Yeah, right away. 675 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:16.920 I think you have to look at Stanford and cal 676 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.519 and how do things shake out with the acc and 677 00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:22.960 for people that aren't necessarily locked in on the national 678 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.559 landscape of college football, there's there's chatter that, you know, 679 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:31.599 potentially Florida State could take on a significant buyout and 680 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.039 try to get into one of the bigger conferences. I 681 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:37.759 don't think that has I don't think that's uh, you know, 682 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.039 that's that's going to happen tomorrow. But I do think 683 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:44.079 that conversation is at least ongoing in some capacity. And 684 00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:47.799 then if that happens and the ACC gets reshuffled, then 685 00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:50.279 you know, Stanford and Call look around, and I think 686 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:54.519 there's a world where they could join this new, new 687 00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.039 new school PAC twelve. I think two years ago people 688 00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:58.920 would have rolled their eyes and said, hey, there's no 689 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:02.759 way Stanford and cal whatever buddy up with the Fresno 690 00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:06.079 States and the San Diego States academically. But they might 691 00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.320 not really have a choice, especially if they also, on 692 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.960 the other hand, pride themselves in the Olympic sports and 693 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.400 the whole student athlete experience. I think staying West Coast 694 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:18.519 certainly lends it handed that, So you know, that would 695 00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:21.280 be those would be my first two calls, but we'll see. 696 00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.400 I think those schools obviously have a lot of pride. 697 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:26.400 And then you mentioned that Memphis two Lane is interesting. 698 00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.440 I agree with you, UNLV is obvious, but I say 699 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:31.679 that and I was that was my first reaction when 700 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:34.480 I saw the schools that that that joined, is why 701 00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.519 was l UNLV not in there? And again I know 702 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.760 that maybe the academic stuff or whatever it is, but 703 00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:43.360 I've been I've called a couple of un LV games. 704 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.280 Their facilities are really nice. Obviously they're in a big market. 705 00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:47.880 It was a little bit of a head scratcher to 706 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.559 me that they were not part of this initial batch. 707 00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:52.679 My sense is that you know, they could grow into 708 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.880 grow into acquiring you UNLV, and then the big one 709 00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.880 to track too to bring this full circle is Gonzaga 710 00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.039 and hoops. Everything I read is, you know, that could 711 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.960 be the next domino of really trying to level this 712 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.440 thing up and get it more attractive. Which I know, 713 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:09.960 I'm a football guy. I'm always thinking about things through 714 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:11.840 a football lens. But that would be a big get 715 00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.000 for the Pac twelve if they could get the Zachs 716 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:15.039 from a hook's perspective. 717 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.360 All right, Max, before I said, you lose just questions 718 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.760 on a couple of games this weekend. Let's start with 719 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.840 a couple of former buddies of ours, former PAC twelve two. 720 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:24.599 Well one still in the pack, but it is I 721 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:26.960 think we can still say the Civil War without being canceled. 722 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.960 I don't know, but it's Oregon Oregon State. It's another 723 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.880 one of those tricky games. Oregon's getting sixteen on the road. 724 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:36.400 They barely survive there the tour of the state of Idaho, 725 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.920 and just like Utah Utah State, Oregon State's going to 726 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.199 be motivated. That place is nuts in core Vallis, as 727 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:45.719 you know, when it really gets going. So what are 728 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.679 you looking for? What are you expecting in Corvallis As 729 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:50.440 we see Oregon take on Oregon State. 730 00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:53.719 This is a fun one. Like I said a couple 731 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:57.039 of minutes ago, it feels like everyone's taking Oregon State 732 00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.480 in this, not to win, but to cover obviously a 733 00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:02.800 lot of points. It's the record of Hey rivalry games, 734 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:05.559 Civil War rivalry games. When a's at Corvallis, you know, 735 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.440 the Beaves have certainly favored Well I called the Beams 736 00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:10.559 week one. And I don't know if it's me it's 737 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:12.559 trying to be different or what it is, but I 738 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.000 think gets it done and I think Oregon gets right 739 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:18.559 this game. I think part of me wonders if we're 740 00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.639 underestimating how good a program Boise he was. I thought 741 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.159 they looked really good offensively, not even at their running 742 00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:27.679 back position, just with Ashton Genty, who might be the 743 00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:29.880 best running back in the country this past week. I 744 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:34.639 thought their whole offensive operation was smooth. Yes, Oregon looks 745 00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:37.000 a notch softer than they did last year, or a 746 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.000 couple of notches softer, but I feel like this is 747 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.079 the game where they say enough is enough. I mean 748 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:44.599 to remind everyone, this was an Oregon roster that we 749 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.960 were saying, Hey, this is the best organ Duck roster 750 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.480 we may have ever seen preseason, and their quarterback's playing 751 00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.800 solid or playing efficient. I think they get right in 752 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.840 the in the trenches. And I just don't know if 753 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.760 Oregon State has enough offensive firepower. When I covered them 754 00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.920 Week one, Giovannie McCay was efficient, but it was not 755 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:04.440 I don't know if I don't know if anything at 756 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.000 the quarterback spot really fears you or scares you. And 757 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.440 with Oregon speed, I think this is a get right 758 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:12.000 game for the Ducks and they get the season back 759 00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:12.880 on track all right. 760 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.639 Before I set you loose Colorado. Colorado State last year 761 00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:19.239 got weird and it was late and we all watched 762 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.519 because the number was massive. Colorado needed I think double 763 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.559 overtime in Boulder a year ago. They go to four Collins. 764 00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:29.400 Colorado's a seven point favorite on the road. It feels 765 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:34.199 like the landscape under Dion's feet is awfully shaky right now. 766 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.599 I don't love that line either. I'm not saying Colorado's 767 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.840 gonna lose, but another tricky and state game where you 768 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:43.480 have the Colorado State side wishing they could probably play 769 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.760 for Colorado, you know, bigger whatever program. What do you 770 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:50.079 think we're gonna see tomorrow on CBS when Dion and 771 00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:51.559 the Boys go to four Collins. 772 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:54.639 I hope and think we'll see a round two of 773 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.440 what we saw last year. In terms of last year, 774 00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.440 that was one of the best college games we had 775 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.239 all season, and I think it's it'll be another exciting 776 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.000 one tomorrow. When I look at this game, I don't 777 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.039 even look at you know, x's and o's football stuff. 778 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.760 I look at emotions and I think Colorado State this 779 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:11.760 is their super Bowl. As you just said, it's well 780 00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:15.239 documented and with Colorado, I mean, man, Shador is an 781 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.039 absolute baller. His film is good, but you know, like 782 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.760 the subtle jabs at your offensive line and just the 783 00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.360 overall vibe in that program. If they don't get off 784 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:26.559 on the right foot in the first couple series in 785 00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:29.760 this game, I think they could really struggle. Their running 786 00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.119 attack is non existent, which is a complete head scratcher 787 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:35.039 for me. I think so much was made of all 788 00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.920 the upgrades Colorado's made, and they're not even attempting to. 789 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:39.440 Run the ball. 790 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:42.159 I made the I tweeted out last week that they 791 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.239 have an air raid mentality without an air raid playbook, 792 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:47.559 And I think, to me, that's the perfect example of 793 00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:49.679 it's okay if you want to throw the rock every 794 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.079 single time, that's what Mike Leach did, but you have 795 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.519 to have the quick passing game. And it feels like 796 00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.599 everything they're trying to do is drive the ball down 797 00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.599 the field and bite off the entire apple in one 798 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.599 single play all the time, and that to me is 799 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:05.320 not the recipe of success, especially when you have better 800 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:10.079 athletes than the team across from you. So it's gout 801 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.679 check time. If you're Colorado, you cannot lose this one. 802 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.639 But I would very much put them on the upset 803 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:16.880 alert against their rivals. 804 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:19.280 All right, buddy, where can everybody go get your work? 805 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.039 Obviously you're on socials. Where can everybody go find you? 806 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:28.239 Yeah? Max Brown on all the social platforms TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, uh, 807 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.000 doing all sorts of video content there. And then tomorrow 808 00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:34.760 I'll be calling Old Miss the number five Old Miss Rebels, 809 00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.480 which is probably the best team I've ever recovered in person, 810 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.840 calling a game for They're loaded versus Wake Forest out 811 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:41.960 here in acc country. 812 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:43.880 Very nice man, We'll have a great call tomorrow. I 813 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:45.559 always appreciate the time Max be well. 814 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.760 Okay, likewise, thanks Bencher. 815 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.119 All right, Max Brown stops by from time to time 816 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:52.480 to break down the world of college football. 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We have two special guests live in studio. Rojo, 849 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.000 one of the best to ever do it, Robert Johnson, Rojo, 850 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.000 how you doing, man? Doing good? Thank you, thank you 851 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.639 for letting me be here. Yeah, it's great to see it. 852 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.599 And we've we've got We've got Aiden in the studio. 853 00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:35.320 We got one of your little buddies. He's enjoying a 854 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.480 little snack. So having some fun with uh. So I'm 855 00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:40.679 a dad, so I like the dad sound energy, you 856 00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:42.280 know what I mean, And so I appreciate you having 857 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:42.800 having it. 858 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:45.199 You know, Fridays they get off early, so yeah, you 859 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:46.079 have to do something with it. 860 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:47.840 Is like, come with me, man, bring him here, man 861 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:49.960 all the time. So let's start with a little bit 862 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.079 of a life update. We were talking about off air 863 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.159 of what you're doing these days. I'm sure you fans 864 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.719 would be interested in the great Robert Johnson, What's what's 865 00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:57.760 going on with you these days. 866 00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.559 Well, I mean, uh, first off, the University Utah has 867 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.159 brought me in and I've been doing I've been working 868 00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:05.639 at the University of Utah as a career coach for 869 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.679 the past year and a half and it's part of 870 00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.719 the you career success that's in the business building, which 871 00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:13.800 is all the new buildings look so good up there. 872 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.119 But it's a great feeling knowing that I'm there at 873 00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.159 the university. I'm helping out with the freshman's and the 874 00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.480 sophomores of the university on their career choices, whether it's 875 00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:29.159 going through resumes or career at career fair prep, cover letters, jobs, 876 00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:32.760 internships part time. It's been a big blessing to be 877 00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.679 able to be at my school and be able to 878 00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:38.440 just talk to these students individually and help them at 879 00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:40.519 the different stages in life that they go through in college. 880 00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:44.480 So I wonder what you yourself have learned as a result 881 00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.880 of having this new job, right because a guy like you, 882 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:52.280 high level player NFL guy. You know, when we're all younger, 883 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.239 we think that will live forever, and we think that 884 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:56.360 we can do what we're doing when we're eighteen until 885 00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:58.360 we're forty. That's not the reality of the world. So 886 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.000 what are some of the things that you've learned through 887 00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:01.519 this new journey of yours. 888 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:05.119 Well, first off, the state of Utah has always been 889 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.280 amazing to me. It has always been something I've cherished 890 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:10.920 and me coming back here to be part of the 891 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:15.360 university again. It's night and day compared to sports and 892 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:18.599 then compared to normal life. And when football is over, 893 00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:20.440 like I tell some of the student athletes now, is 894 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.760 that you only want to snap away from being injured 895 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:26.480 or maybe something might happen. But sports don't last forever, 896 00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:29.000 you know. And I was in that position as a 897 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.400 young guy, feeling like I'm gonna play as long as 898 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:33.599 Tim Brady, I'm gonna be out here forever, you know. 899 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.559 And the injury happened, and then life set in of 900 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:39.440 like the bills do not stop. And then with my kids, 901 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.039 with my sons, both of my sons, it was like, hey, 902 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:43.519 I got to move on with life. 903 00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.079 And it just happened to be. 904 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.760 Luckily that Katie Abbey, that's my boss, boss, that's over it. 905 00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:50.679 She seen something in me and said that I could 906 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:52.840 probably connect with these students and she would love to 907 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.199 bring me on. And then the sky's the limit now 908 00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:58.599 with everything that's been happening. Because football, all I knew 909 00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.000 was football. I didn't know anything else about the university. 910 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:03.280 So now as I'm working on the other end, it's 911 00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:05.960 like I'm walking around the university seeing buildings that I've 912 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:09.719 never seen, talking to students the student body, Like, I'm 913 00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:12.559 really like into it and I love what I'm doing. 914 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:14.639 I love it a lot. Good for you, man, I'm 915 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.840 proud of you. That's good stuff. And I wanted to 916 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.039 utilize what we're talking about now to bring you into 917 00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:24.000 a conversation that's happening today about Tua, about Tuatna Baaloa. 918 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:26.679 And I'm biased because I love the kid. I love 919 00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.199 doing college, and I think he comes across as such 920 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:33.239 a sweet guy. Right, But I always cringe when I 921 00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.199 turn on the TV or turn on the radio and 922 00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:37.639 a guy like me, a guy with a microphone, says 923 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:41.840 out loud he needs to retire. And look, it's complicated, 924 00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.440 right because there are reports out there. He has a wife, 925 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.599 he has two children. There are reports out there that 926 00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.840 they would like him to consider stepping away. It is 927 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:53.119 his fourth concussion in five years. He had one Abamman 928 00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:56.559 twenty nineteen, and I hate seeing players with their hands 929 00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:58.559 fenced after they got knocked out. I hate it, yes, 930 00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.079 but it's not my to say what he should or 931 00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.800 shouldn't do. Because as you've been through, and I've seen 932 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.519 working with guys like you, ex pro athletes. When I 933 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:09.000 was on the team side and now I'm on the 934 00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:12.920 media side, you've been able to find your way, right, 935 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.159 You've been able to find a purpose, You have children, 936 00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.360 you have a job that you love. But you know this, 937 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:19.599 ro Joe, and so do I. I've seen so many 938 00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:24.280 ex pros just wander through their life to I used 939 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:26.079 the example of Anthony Mason, who played for the next 940 00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:27.480 and when we were back in New York and Mace 941 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.599 retired and he didn't know what to do, and he 942 00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:34.000 had a grip of money and essentially drank himself to death. 943 00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:36.639 He was dead before he was sixty. And I loved 944 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.159 that guy. That was my guy, right. So I want 945 00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:42.480 you to tell our audience just how complicated a decision 946 00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.159 like this is for Tua at the age of twenty six, 947 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:47.760 with the ability if he wants to and of his 948 00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:49.719 doctors give him the thumbs up to probably play for 949 00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.159 another ten years and make another two hundred million dollars. 950 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:54.880 This is not an easy choice, is it. And it's 951 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.679 it's only his choice with his family and his doctors. 952 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:02.519 Yes, yes, And it's crazy that you you bring this 953 00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:06.079 topic up because I was just I was just talking 954 00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:09.800 to a couple of my friends. Was just like chopping 955 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:13.039 it up. Yeah, we was talking a little bit. Yeah, yeah, 956 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.119 we was talking about different things. And I've seen a 957 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:19.719 clip from Stephen A. Smith that was saying sacrifices for 958 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.880 your family and things like that, and you know, like, 959 00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:27.119 though Stephen A. Smith is is great at what he does, 960 00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.440 he does, but me going through what I went through 961 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.360 with playing in the NFL and seeing some of my 962 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.599 good friends that played and received a lot of concussions, 963 00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:41.480 you know, it's it's sad that it's people that's on 964 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.599 the outside that feel like they can speak for football 965 00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:49.000 players when you really don't know once football is over, 966 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.079 how our body is. I was just telling Porter, like 967 00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:55.440 I don't know about the statistics or the stats behind 968 00:46:55.480 --> 00:47:00.519 all this, but it's a lot more football players are athletes, 969 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:03.800 not just football players. It's a lot more athletes that 970 00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:10.119 has harmed themselves outside of their sport from concussions. Because 971 00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:15.519 life doesn't it when you're done with football or when 972 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.840 you're done with that sport. Life continues, but you're never 973 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:21.800 the same. When you have concussions or when you had 974 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.079 some your brain don't work the same. It's gonna be 975 00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:26.920 moments that you might have those headaches, You're gonna have 976 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.320 those moments of you might might not. 977 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.119 Be able to see as good to me, he needs 978 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:33.159 to just go ahead and retire. 979 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:35.480 Like I feel, I feel that in my heart because 980 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.519 most of us football players and whoever that's listening out there, 981 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:41.079 I know that you mostly mostly you will agree with me, 982 00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.880 is that we live for that second contract with that 983 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:44.920 big payout. 984 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.000 He was able to get there. He got it. 985 00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:47.679 Now. 986 00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:49.960 It's tough because we love sports. 987 00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:52.119 That's what it is, us football players, and I'm speaking 988 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.920 it's just football players in general. We love football and 989 00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:58.079 you can't just it's hard to it's hard to get 990 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.360 ripped away from it because you have so much love 991 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:05.159 for it. But life, man, life is like I'm realizing 992 00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:07.760 that since I've been working at the University of Utah, like, 993 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:11.039 I'm very very blessed that the position that I played 994 00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:15.039 playing safety running into people, that's common and my brain 995 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.519 is not too messed up. And I'm still able to 996 00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:20.639 function as a high function in a black American here 997 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:22.519 at the university in the state of in the state 998 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.480 of Utah, and just to see him go through that 999 00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.559 is sad. But you gotta step away, man, you gotta 1000 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.000 It's not even just step away. You in a really 1001 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:33.239 good organization with the Miami Dolphins. They take care of 1002 00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:35.719 their players, so I can I was telling Porter, I 1003 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.800 can visually see that if he if he has a 1004 00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:42.400 medical retirement and he has to do it, the Miami 1005 00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.480 Dolphins might think of a way to keep him within football, 1006 00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:47.679 but not in the physical aspect. 1007 00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:48.440 See. 1008 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:51.679 So life, man, life continues outside of these sports. And 1009 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.239 I have to tell people like, do we all wish 1010 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.760 we could play loan? But man, like, when it's over, 1011 00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.840 it's over. There's no there's no it's no second shot. 1012 00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:02.880 It's it's over. It's a rap. So him and his family, 1013 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:04.880 I wish him, I wish them all the best, and 1014 00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:06.760 I feel like he needs to step away from football 1015 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:11.320 because football is great. But I say that these owners 1016 00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:16.400 out here they can replace you, and and and they do. Yeah, 1017 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:19.760 that's how they replace you. They care for you. But 1018 00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:21.440 sometimes it turns to what can you do for me 1019 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.800 right now, and and if you're not producing anything, they 1020 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.039 gonna get rid of you. So I feel like right 1021 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:28.960 now he got his he got he got the money, he. 1022 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:31.239 Got the bag. Get his bag. Yeah, he got the bag. 1023 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:33.639 And it's like just step away from it because once 1024 00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:36.000 the football is over, that's when a lot of people 1025 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.400 won't be talking about you. And when you're going through 1026 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:41.199 all those different things, man, it's just it plays with 1027 00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:44.440 your brain. And I mean what Junian say, I like sadly, 1028 00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:48.159 you know, like it was it's it's players out here 1029 00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:51.880 that has harmed himself and they have made sure to 1030 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.679 leave a note get my brain checked. And that comes 1031 00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:58.480 from getting those concussions. So if you're going to continue 1032 00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:01.360 to just do this, it's it's dangerous. And we all 1033 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.079 know that we signed we know what we sign up for. 1034 00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:03.719 We do know that. 1035 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:05.920 But it's still sad though that he's going through this. 1036 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.840 And it was like just slid man, come on as 1037 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:12.280 I'm watching them, like the slide, you know, It's it's 1038 00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:13.840 sad and I just really wished. 1039 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:15.199 I wish I wish the best for him. 1040 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:17.639 I wish he makes a really good decision because life 1041 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:18.840 goes on with sports is over. 1042 00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:21.239 You said something that jarred something in me. I didn't 1043 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.000 plan on doing this today, but I and if I 1044 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:26.639 catch off guard, I apologize. I'm in this space where 1045 00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:30.920 I get so tired of how hate is permeating in 1046 00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:33.480 our country right and how polar And I'm a sports 1047 00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:35.360 socc rator Houston saw like, I'm not changing the world. 1048 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.960 I'm not changing anyone's mine. I'm not trying to. But 1049 00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:41.639 you know, I was raised in pro sports. I played 1050 00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:45.559 basketball through high school and aau so. I had black teammates, 1051 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.519 I had road trips. There was one road trip we 1052 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:49.440 took up to Boston where there were twelve of us. 1053 00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:51.800 I was the only white player, and it was never 1054 00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:53.559 a thing for me. I'm lucky that I was raised 1055 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:56.440 that way because I don't have any uh you know, 1056 00:50:56.519 --> 00:51:00.320 I don't have any premonitions about being scared of a 1057 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:02.360 race that I'm not familiar with, right. I just I'm 1058 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:03.960 comfortable around black people. I don't know how it's to 1059 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:05.519 say it. I always I love the culture, you know, 1060 00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:07.960 love hip hop, I love basket I love all of it. Right, 1061 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:11.519 But there's this thing that people believe that we have 1062 00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:13.639 in our state where just be and look Let's be 1063 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.079 clear there three percent of Salt Lake is black. Yeah, 1064 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:18.360 so there's not a lot of people like you, ro Joe, 1065 00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:20.519 But I don't want to speak for you. It feels like, 1066 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:23.719 as a black man, you have found more or less 1067 00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:26.719 love in our state. Is that fair to say? Yeah? Yeah, 1068 00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:29.320 I mean I've found all the love. Like that's what 1069 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.119 I would say here at the State of Utah. 1070 00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:32.679 Hearing that, Yeah, And I think that's one of the 1071 00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:34.840 biggest reasons why I decided to even move back here 1072 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.400 is to raise my boys. On top of that, meet 1073 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.880 a lot of these great people that's here in the 1074 00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:40.599 state of Utah. 1075 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:42.880 Like it's it's amazing people that's here. And I tell 1076 00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:43.480 people all that. 1077 00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:45.639 I tell people about that all the time, no matter 1078 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:48.000 where I'm at, because once they see a like where 1079 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:53.400 you live at I live in Utah, black guy in Utah. 1080 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:54.239 What is that? No, it's worth it, Like, come up 1081 00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:54.960 here in experience. 1082 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:56.800 I tell everybody that don't go by what you see 1083 00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.039 on TV, come experience it and come check it out. 1084 00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.679 Because I I've met all the people in the world 1085 00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:04.960 out here in the university at the state and everybody 1086 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.000 has been amazing towards me. Yeah, and it has nothing 1087 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:08.360 to do with just being a football player. 1088 00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:09.119 It has more. 1089 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.639 To do with how I present myself and how I 1090 00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:14.159 carry myself and on top of that, how I take 1091 00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.719 in somebody that might not want to be close to me, 1092 00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:17.679 but then they. 1093 00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:19.679 Attract to me. So I got used to it. Yeah, 1094 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:21.840 well that's good, and I think people need to be 1095 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.760 reminded of positive experiences. Yes, because I'm a transplant too. 1096 00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:29.000 Of sorts, it's home now. I've been here twenty five years, 1097 00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.639 but the kids I grew up with same thing, like 1098 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:35.199 you live where that's what they're always actually like and 1099 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.480 what's alike. And for me, I have friends and family, 1100 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:39.519 so it's home of sorts, and I know how to 1101 00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:42.719 traverse the space. But I just feel like whenever we 1102 00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.920 have the opportunity to express ourselves as people that just 1103 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.159 have different pigmentation of skin and that's all it is, 1104 00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:51.440 let's be clear of you know, what it is really 1105 00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:53.519 like here. I just like to give people the opportunity 1106 00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:54.239 to talk about it, you know. 1107 00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:55.840 Like one of the main things I've learned, and this 1108 00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:58.679 is something quickly that I've learned, is that think about 1109 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:03.079 sports like I tell people think about sports. University of 1110 00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:06.519 you talk, you know, like our our team, the fans 1111 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:08.920 are not really cheering for the color of the skin. 1112 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:11.800 They're cheering for the color of the jersey. 1113 00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:12.159 Yep. 1114 00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:15.719 Now, if I'm not saying the world need to do this, 1115 00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.039 I'm not saying that because I'm not a world I'm 1116 00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:20.639 not trying to change the world. But if everybody remember 1117 00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:22.039 that we're on the same team and we have the 1118 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.639 same jersey on the colors, won't the color of the 1119 00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:27.239 skin won't mean anything because once you lose them, yeah, 1120 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:28.880 you upset, you know just what it is. But then 1121 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.280 when you win, you're not pointing at like, oh this 1122 00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:34.039 African American or this Caucasian or this Asian or this 1123 00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:37.199 You're looking at it as like our team one. You're 1124 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:40.360 not looking at it as an individual player. So to me, 1125 00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:42.719 I always tell myself and I tell my sons this 1126 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:44.840 a lot where it's just like, it doesn't matter what 1127 00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.360 skin tone you are, like when you play sports, that 1128 00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:51.199 jersey is what matters. And the fans they're seeing the jersey, 1129 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.679 they're not really seeing too many of what the skin 1130 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:57.639 color consists of. Unless I'll speaking you started out spoken 1131 00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:00.440 and say some things supposed to be saying right. Still, 1132 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.000 at the end of the day, it's like fans is 1133 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:05.800 cheering for the jersey color. They're not cheering because of 1134 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:06.719 the color of a skin. 1135 00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:11.039 Right, And your boys Aiden and Adonnas are playing soccer 1136 00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:14.880 in the state because Look, racism is rooted in fear, 1137 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:18.079 which is rooted in unfamiliar situations. You're just scared of 1138 00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:21.039 things you don't know, and it's learned behavior. And at 1139 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:23.559 this age, I would imagine they've got white teammates and 1140 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:26.440 it's not even a thing for them, right, Because they're young. 1141 00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:28.480 I don't know what we do to injure them. As 1142 00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:31.119 they get older, then they learn this behavior. But you know, 1143 00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.440 watching your little boys play soccer probably reminds you, like, yes, 1144 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.679 this racism that does exist. I'm not saying it doesn't, 1145 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:40.559 but it is learned behavior from people that simply are 1146 00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:42.440 scared of situations they don't know about it. 1147 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:44.320 Yes, yes, And I have seen that twice. I have 1148 00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:46.559 seen it in two different topics. I've seen it from 1149 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.159 a kid that didn't really understand some of the things 1150 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.039 that he was saying, and it was like, hey, where 1151 00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:53.719 do you learn Where did the skin from? It's like, well, 1152 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:54.440 I learned that at home. 1153 00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:54.639 Ork. 1154 00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:57.079 I picked it up on different things, and it's like, okay, 1155 00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:58.960 not saying this the parents fault, but it's like, hey, 1156 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.159 you got to get more involved kids. And then that 1157 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:04.280 also turns more back into this other topic that I 1158 00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:10.360 was just speaking about, where a mirror sat Brown the 1159 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:14.119 receiver from the Detroit Yeah, so his dad they was 1160 00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:17.159 doing a little interview and his dad said something that 1161 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.880 was really really important to me, where he said, most 1162 00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:21.800 people see a kid that don't play sports or don't 1163 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.159 do something, they like, oh, the kid is lazy. It's like, 1164 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:25.840 have you ever really looked at the parents. It's like 1165 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:28.239 ninety percent of the time it's the parents, because if 1166 00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:30.480 the parents are pushing their kids or being there and 1167 00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:33.280 supportive or taking them to practice and doing things like that, 1168 00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:36.159 it kind of changed that outlook of a kid is lazy. 1169 00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:38.239 And when I thought about that, I was like, oh gosh, 1170 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.360 I thought about my kids. I'm like, like, I've been 1171 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:43.239 training my kids for so long that my mind is like, 1172 00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:46.280 if they're lazy, it's because something I'm not doing. So 1173 00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:48.440 then it was just like seeing it from another parent 1174 00:55:48.519 --> 00:55:50.639 saying it, it made sense in my brain of like 1175 00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:52.639 most of the kids that's out there. If you see 1176 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:54.719 a kid he say he's lazy, maybe look at the 1177 00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:56.800 mom and dad, or look at whoever that's the guardian 1178 00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:59.360 and try to figure out what are they're doing, because 1179 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:00.840 they might not be pushing them as hard. 1180 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:03.760 Yeah, that's good perspective. That's good perspective. Okay, we will 1181 00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:06.000 do some football. Sorry we got a little distracted, but 1182 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:09.519 I appreciate the perspective, bro Joe. Through two games, okay, 1183 00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:12.800 we'll get to Saturday in a moment, but through two games. Defensively, 1184 00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.760 as a former defensive back at the year, what stands 1185 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:18.599 out most playmakers the way that the defense is never 1186 00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:20.599 a problem. It certainly isn't this year. But what stands 1187 00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:22.039 out to you turnovers. 1188 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:24.000 I mean, you think about all the different years of 1189 00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:28.119 the University of Utah football program. In general, turnovers make 1190 00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.920 a season different. And a couple of years ago, our 1191 00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:35.159 defense wasn't as strong. But the reason that they wasn't 1192 00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:37.159 as strong because we didn't have a lot of turnovers. 1193 00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.360 A matter of fact, I think it was sack Lake City. 1194 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:41.960 That's when we had all our sacks. You know, we 1195 00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:43.280 had a lot of sacks, but we didn't have a 1196 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.000 lot of turnovers. And then at one point the linebackers 1197 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:49.039 have more interceptions than the dvs, and I'm like, that's unusual. 1198 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.079 But this year I can see that we're flying to 1199 00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:54.599 the ball and on top of that, we're causing. Like 1200 00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:56.760 I tell my son right now as he plays soccer, 1201 00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:59.480 I'm like, control chaos. Like he's going to be crazy 1202 00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:01.599 to be able to control it and to see what 1203 00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:04.360 our defense is doing. That's exactly what it is. Everybody's 1204 00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:06.679 flying to the ball, that everybody's trying to go make 1205 00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:08.880 up play instead of just going to make the tackle. 1206 00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:10.559 It's like the strip the ball. 1207 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:12.880 Let's see what we can do on that field goal 1208 00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.679 block that tail TiO tale tale. 1209 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:16.760 That was amazing. 1210 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.159 It was I was like like for me, like I 1211 00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:21.000 think Slide probably said the same thing. Was like the 1212 00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:23.960 coaches always say, get down, don't catch it, get away 1213 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:24.280 from it. 1214 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:26.039 He called it and he knew what to do with it. 1215 00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:28.199 So for what I feel the rest of the season 1216 00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:30.760 is gonna turn into is these tough games that were 1217 00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:32.760 gonna have to compete against because he need to give 1218 00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:36.880 a Saturday you could take an l but turnovers would 1219 00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:40.360 definitely help out and then turnover into points. That just 1220 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:42.000 makes it so much better. If we can get a 1221 00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:45.239 turnover and score, that's that's seven points or six points 1222 00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.679 for sure, six points coming from the defensive side. We're 1223 00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:51.039 stopping six points or stopping three points and making six points, 1224 00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:51.639 which is good. 1225 00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:54.239 So I had Nate Orchard and studio asked Sly the 1226 00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:56.440 same question. And I'm not setting you up and I'm 1227 00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:59.480 not trying to stir the pod. But after Cameron got 1228 00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:02.639 hurt and it's Cam in a moment, the offense stalled. 1229 00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:05.360 It just did right, and so three and out and 1230 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:07.320 three and out, three and out. And I asked Nan, 1231 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.800 asked Slie. When you're on defense and you get a stop, 1232 00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:14.119 you go in sack whatever it is, kay, boom, force 1233 00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:16.679 a punt, You roll back to the sideline, take the 1234 00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:19.199 helmet off, you're drinking the gatorade, and you look up 1235 00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.599 and you're like watch back out? Yeah? What Like is 1236 00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:26.119 it a challenge to not get upset to your offensive teammates? 1237 00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:26.239 Like? 1238 00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:28.760 What what are the emotions when as a defensive player 1239 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:31.079 you need a blow man, you need to rest and 1240 00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:32.679 then you look up and you're like wait what and 1241 00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:33.840 you got to put your helmet back out? 1242 00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:34.000 What? 1243 00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:34.000 What? 1244 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:34.320 What? 1245 00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:36.639 What's that feel like? At the beginning of the game, 1246 00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:37.280 it's fine. 1247 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:40.079 You start like because we're warming up right right, like, 1248 00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:41.760 or at least me and a slider probably are like, yeah, 1249 00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:43.480 we're warming up, We're starting to get into the game, 1250 00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:46.159 so yeah, we want to be on the field. But 1251 00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:49.599 but tour is that that into the third quarter, going 1252 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:53.440 to the fourth quarter, it starts turnings as like you 1253 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:55.920 don't even take off your helmet, Yes, go to the sideline, 1254 00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:59.960 make a quick adjustment. We're back out there. And it's hard, man. 1255 00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:00.760 It hurts. 1256 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:04.119 It hurts because when you're on defense, your job is 1257 00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:07.039 to stop them from scoring, and then offense, their job 1258 00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:09.039 is to score. And when they don't score, when they 1259 00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:12.599 get a quick three and out, it hurts us defensive players. 1260 00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:16.119 It's you start doing more plays than you're supposed to, 1261 00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:19.599 and your body start getting tired, and you know, your 1262 00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.199 mind start having these laps during the game because you're 1263 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.159 having so many plays and and okay, it. 1264 00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:28.639 Happened in the Baylor game. I mean was killing them. 1265 00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:30.800 It was killing them on defense. We was stopping everything. 1266 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:33.559 Then all of a sudden, that one big play and 1267 00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:35.920 it just happens to be at the same time where 1268 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:38.280 we kept getting three and outs, like the offense kept 1269 00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:39.000 getting three and out. 1270 00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:41.000 The defense can only go so long. 1271 00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:44.360 Before we start like having that like all right, right, 1272 00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:46.639 come all right, yeah, put us on offense. 1273 00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:50.000 Then let's make let us do right. So yeah, it's 1274 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:50.360 so hard. 1275 00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:52.119 It's a hard effect to kind of think back to 1276 00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.920 the times that Brian Johnson. I think about that Air 1277 00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:58.599 Force game in two thousand and seven to two thousand 1278 00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:00.480 and eight, two thousand and nine, the undefeated season. We 1279 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:03.039 went down here to Arizona and it was a lot 1280 01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:05.599 of three and outs, and then VJ threw a interception 1281 01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:07.760 that got ticked to the crib and we was on 1282 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:10.280 defense looking at each other like, man, we can't even 1283 01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:13.079 we can't even stop them from scoring because they just 1284 01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:15.119 scored without us on the field. 1285 01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:17.320 So it's hard, though, it's very, very hard. 1286 01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:20.199 It's a it's a mental it's mentally challenging when you're 1287 01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:22.599 on that sideline and you're looking at the offense and 1288 01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:24.199 it's like, all right, y'all, come. 1289 01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:26.400 On, yeah, we we need you. Yeah you know, so 1290 01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:30.280 let me ask you about Cameron cam Rising. So I've 1291 01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:35.840 heard coaches and other media types talk about the necessity 1292 01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:38.960 of trying to get him to understand how important he is, 1293 01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:42.039 and therefore slider throw it out of bounce. I just 1294 01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:45.639 think I just think Cam is Cam, and if he 1295 01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:47.760 sees the lane and he thinks he can go get seven, 1296 01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:50.480 he's gonna go get seven if he gets if he 1297 01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:52.760 gets blitzed and he's under duress, he's gonna try to 1298 01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.000 get out of it. Yes, I would like him to 1299 01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:56.639 throw it away. I would like him to get down 1300 01:00:56.679 --> 01:00:58.199 because we all know for you Tah to win the 1301 01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:00.559 Big twelve seven has to be under center. Is it 1302 01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.880 possible to rewire an athlete's brain to say, look, you're 1303 01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.000 too important, please don't be so aggressive. I don't. 1304 01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:09.199 I don't know that you can do that and and 1305 01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:11.440 and not against you, but I believe that you can. 1306 01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:16.400 That's good. You can practice habits. So practice habits. 1307 01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:18.920 I mean, like I mean, probably everybody that's listening, or 1308 01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.079 everybody that's a big football fan. I know they watched 1309 01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:24.679 the Hard Knocks. They watch Hard Knocks, and on one episode, 1310 01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:26.639 even though I hate talking about this guy, like, I mean, 1311 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:28.679 there's nothing against him, but his fingernails just throw me off. 1312 01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:33.320 So so Caleb Williams like he he uh not, Caleb 1313 01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:37.280 is well. Caleb yeah, okay, yeah, So in one episode 1314 01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:40.039 they had them doing sliding. 1315 01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.360 They was doing not the water slide, they was doing 1316 01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:45.280 like a slide. 1317 01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:47.679 Was doing a sliper slide because they were trying to 1318 01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:51.239 teach him how to slide. It shows it's showing up 1319 01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:55.360 in the games now, like Caleb is sliding and to me, 1320 01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:58.199 I'm like, I doubt that he had that when he 1321 01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:00.840 was at USC because every time you look up he 1322 01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:02.880 was running and you get hit or something happened. But 1323 01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:05.360 now it's like that muscle memory is starting to kick 1324 01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:08.079 in of like just slide and he's doing it now 1325 01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:10.800 with Cam. Cam is a beast, he's a baller man. 1326 01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:12.639 He's he wants to he wants to score. Like you 1327 01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:14.159 said every time you got the boy, you want to score. 1328 01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:18.679 But we need you, we need you it's a slide 1329 01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:20.920 or we need you to get rid of the ball early. 1330 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:22.960 Just throw out of bounce, you know, like we can 1331 01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.679 live to fight another day. But when you get injured 1332 01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:27.840 and they hear what you just said me watch I 1333 01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:30.440 watched it on TV at the Baylor game and really 1334 01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:33.760 on TV you can see that the crowd just wasn't 1335 01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:36.119 the same. Oh yeah, and it's weird, like as you're 1336 01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.639 watching it from a game, like when you're at the stadium, 1337 01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:40.599 you can feel all this, but then. 1338 01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:42.760 Watching it through TV, you don't supposed to fill it. 1339 01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:45.320 But then for me, I'm like, oh, this is happening, 1340 01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:48.400 Like this is this is really happening. Like our our 1341 01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:51.159 offense is at a stop sign forever, you know, and 1342 01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.519 it's like what is going on? But number seven wasn't 1343 01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:57.079 under the center, and Coach Witt said that after the 1344 01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.840 first quarter on TV. Coach Witt said like like there 1345 01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:01.519 was like, how's the offense so successful? 1346 01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:02.159 This is that coach? 1347 01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:04.199 I can't say quote for quote because I know when 1348 01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:06.000 I watched it, I laugh. He was like he was 1349 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.480 like Cam rising, Yep, He's like Cam raise. He's like, Cam, 1350 01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:12.800 make the team go. And and when Cam is filling it, 1351 01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:15.119 it's it's just contagious. And then all of a sudden 1352 01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.679 you get hurt and it's like it's contagious to the opposite. 1353 01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:20.320 Yeah, Okay, before I set you loose, let's get into 1354 01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:23.199 tomorrow a little bit. So sounds like Isaac is going 1355 01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:26.079 to be undersenter. He's been taking first team raps according 1356 01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:29.280 to reports, and don't rush Cam back for sure, eighteen 1357 01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:32.519 point favorite utaias, so they should be fine without Cam. 1358 01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:36.760 What does success look like tomorrow? In logan with Isaac 1359 01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:40.159 hutter Center talk about the dynamic of Utah State. It's 1360 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:43.039 not Utah BYU, but it's an in state game. Yeah, 1361 01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:45.239 so tell me what you think success looks like, Rojo 1362 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:46.519 tomorrow before I set you lose. 1363 01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:48.599 I mean, first off, the rival was definitely something where 1364 01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:50.639 players step up and start playing out of their body, 1365 01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:54.360 like having those outer body experiences. And Utah State has 1366 01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:57.280 always been our little brother, so it's it's they're gonna 1367 01:03:57.280 --> 01:03:59.920 come out firing. But for us, the way I feel 1368 01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:03.559 is that I'm very happy that Isaac was able to 1369 01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:06.760 get those first team reps for a full week, which 1370 01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:09.880 I am hoping that Coach Lovewick opens up the playbook 1371 01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.000 a little bit and maybe this would be the best 1372 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:14.519 time to try some of those plays that's normally for Cam. 1373 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:17.119 Let's try him for Isaac since he had a full 1374 01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:19.239 week of practice, and let's see how it goes, because 1375 01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:20.280 you just never know. 1376 01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:21.239 It's a long season. 1377 01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:26.159 I believe loans we don't have any turnovers on offense 1378 01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:28.880 and we just play control ball like because that's what 1379 01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:32.480 coach Lovewick. Offense is control a ball, control that time managed. 1380 01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:36.480 Be a time manager, don't be just a risk taker. 1381 01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:39.599 I believe that Isaac can play a really good game 1382 01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:43.360 because he had the full week and no turnovers. That's 1383 01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:46.639 the goal, not having turnovers. But you never know, but 1384 01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:48.800 the goal is not to have turnovers and we will 1385 01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:51.199 be fine because I'm not looking for us to dominate 1386 01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:52.960 this game and just destroy them. I'm just looking for 1387 01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.559 us just to get out alive. Yeah, because we still 1388 01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:57.199 gotta play down there and Logan Logan is not no 1389 01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:00.000 easy spot. Like they come and they come into play, 1390 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:01.320 They're gonna come to give us the noise and they 1391 01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.480 gonna do what they need to do as a Utah state, 1392 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:05.320 they gonna do what they have to. But we just 1393 01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:09.199 got to reduce the turnovers and try our best to 1394 01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:12.559 reduce injuries because it seemed like every year the next 1395 01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:16.519 man up has been our main thing. So I'm just 1396 01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:18.599 hoping for no turnovers, like like I'm hoping for no 1397 01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:20.840 big turnovers. Like it's okay to have him every like 1398 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:23.239 you know, every blue moon, But a big turnover is 1399 01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:26.599 if he fumbled, they scoop and score or pick six. Yeah, 1400 01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:29.159 like those are those are hard because now you're playing 1401 01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:32.199 from behind. So I'm just hoping that, like Isaac, control it, 1402 01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:34.719 do what you need to do, and I believe we'll 1403 01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:36.760 be find loans. He just let's just run the ball, 1404 01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:39.599 forget it, Let's just run play action short, don't throw 1405 01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:42.280 anything deep, and then maybe once we get the lead up, 1406 01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:44.320 then start stretching it, like open up the playbook and 1407 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:46.079 see how he reacts to it. Because he's a good kid. 1408 01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:47.719 He's a very good kid. I met him. I met 1409 01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:50.000 him at one at an event walking through the university. 1410 01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:50.840 I met him. 1411 01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:54.679 She's short, but because I'm tall, and he talked to 1412 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:57.360 me normal. And this is before I mentioned to him like, hey, 1413 01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:59.559 I played for the team and he was like, wait, 1414 01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:01.000 what y'all played for the team. 1415 01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:01.440 Yeah. 1416 01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:03.159 He's just a nice young man. I think his parents 1417 01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:04.079 raising really really well. 1418 01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:06.599 Good man. Hey, great to see Okay, Hey, thank you Rojoe, 1419 01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:08.280 Robert Johnson, one of the best to ever do it. 1420 01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:09.599 Before we catch a break, I want to tell you 1421 01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:12.440 about my friends at Diamond Coat Premium Homes Siding. 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How are you doing? 1441 01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:18.599 I'm well so did you experience the rice ecles golf situation. 1442 01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:20.480 Did you end up going and playing? 1443 01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:23.119 I wasn't able to make it up there. Darn it 1444 01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:24.320 sounds like so much fun. 1445 01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:26.480 Oh rats, Okay, well we can move on. 1446 01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:27.960 Okay. 1447 01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:30.840 I just wanted because I want to know how it was. 1448 01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:32.400 But if you weren't there, you wouldn't know how it was, 1449 01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:35.280 So we can move on from it. Pa, here's my 1450 01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:38.039 question to you, sir, on a Friday, as our golf 1451 01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:42.119 expert on the radio station, what does it mean that 1452 01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:45.559 the PGA Tour is returning to Utah for the first 1453 01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:47.360 time in more than sixty years. 1454 01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:51.079 It is such a big deal. So the Utah Opened 1455 01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:53.559 that was just played here a few weeks ago at 1456 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:57.679 Riverside used to be a PGA Tour stop and some 1457 01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.159 of the greatest names in the game have been here 1458 01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:07.320 to play that tour event. Ben Hogan, Arnold Palmer, Keim Venturi, 1459 01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:12.280 Holy Cal Bob Rosberg won it one year. Great great 1460 01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:15.360 names back when it was a tour stop in that 1461 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:20.119 time frame. But in the late nineteen sixties, the tour 1462 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:24.800 was undergoing some reorganization and various factors came into play, 1463 01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:28.319 and the Utah Open was no longer a PGA Tour event. 1464 01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:33.319 So it's been sixty two years since the PGA Tour 1465 01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:36.399 has been in Utah. That will change here in a 1466 01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:41.199 few weeks at Black Desert when the PGA Tour comes 1467 01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:45.600 back to Utah at the new Black Desert Resort. I 1468 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:49.520 played it last week. It is spectacular and it will 1469 01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:53.439 be a really fun, interesting test for the greatest players 1470 01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:54.000 in the world. 1471 01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.239 Take the time and remind everybody. The Black Desert Championship 1472 01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:00.239 is October ninth through the thirteenth, and Black Desert Result short. 1473 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:02.960 Like I said, return of the PGA Tour for the 1474 01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:05.600 first time in more than sixty years. Tickets available at 1475 01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:09.159 Black Desert Events dot com. Follow them on Instagram at 1476 01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:12.399 Black Black Desert Championship, Paul, Since you played there recently, 1477 01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:15.039 I played there, I think about three months ago, and 1478 01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.439 we had the chairman on the show a couple of 1479 01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:19.279 weeks back, and I told them I walked into the 1480 01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:21.680 clubhouse and I chuckled when I saw a handwritten sign 1481 01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:26.000 that said something like, don't worry, We'll be ready, because 1482 01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:29.199 I can tell you three months ago they were not ready, okay, 1483 01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:32.920 by their own admission. So you played there recently, are 1484 01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:36.840 they prepared for the world of golf to descend upon 1485 01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:38.159 them coming up in just a few. 1486 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:43.079 Weeks as of today. No, but the question is will 1487 01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:45.520 they be ready? And I'm confident they will be for 1488 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:49.279 two reasons. I've been making trips down there for the 1489 01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:53.520 past couple of years every two or three months, and 1490 01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:57.359 every two or three months, and especially this last week. 1491 01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:00.199 It is a different look at different place, and the 1492 01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:03.319 amount of progress it's being made and the pace it's 1493 01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:07.800 being made is staggering. Plus, I have come to understand 1494 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:15.560 that Patrick Manning, the director at and the CEO at 1495 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:19.800 Black Desert Resorts, he delivers. This is a guy who 1496 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:24.119 gets things done and makes things happen, and he says 1497 01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:26.319 it's going to be ready, and I have complete confidence 1498 01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:26.640 in him. 1499 01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:30.000 All Right, Paul, maybe too early for this, but of 1500 01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:33.840 course I'm very curious because I'm debating going down. I 1501 01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:37.199 probably should, but we'll see if I can make it happen. 1502 01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:39.680 But I would like to know who I'm paying to 1503 01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:43.279 see play golf, Any idea what that field will look like, 1504 01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:46.880 and any thoughts about well, who you'd like to see 1505 01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:49.119 let's talk about the field. Where are we at with that? 1506 01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:55.479 So this is a part of the PGA Tours FedEx 1507 01:10:55.640 --> 01:11:00.560 Fall Series. They call it the Fall Series, and everybody, 1508 01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:05.239 everybody with a Tour card is eligible and able and 1509 01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:07.359 invite it to play. But you tend to get the 1510 01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:12.560 players who are looking to improve status, players who are 1511 01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:15.279 just outside the top fifty, trying to play their way 1512 01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:19.319 into the top fifty for the for the coming year. 1513 01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:23.199 Players on the bubble one way or another, on the 1514 01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:26.279 top one twenty five, and that's the magic number because 1515 01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:31.079 that's tour status right there. And so players like our 1516 01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:36.720 own Patrick Fishburn and Zach Blair. Fishburn goes into this 1517 01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:41.279 week down at Silverado in the Pro Core. He goes 1518 01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:45.199 in number one two, Zach Blair goes in number one thirteen. 1519 01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:47.920 Those guys will be playing in the Fall Series and 1520 01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:51.640 they're both committed to play at Black Desert to protect 1521 01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:54.560 their status in the top one twenty five. And then 1522 01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:57.279 there's players right outside the top one twenty five trying 1523 01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:59.880 to play their way in. You will get some of 1524 01:11:59.920 --> 01:12:03.159 the players in the top fifty who play for various reasons, 1525 01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:09.199 maybe to stay tuned up in preparation for next year's 1526 01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:13.920 FedEx Cup season that starts in January, maybe to because 1527 01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:16.000 it's a course they like or a town they like 1528 01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:19.159 to take their family to, any number of reasons. So 1529 01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:22.600 you're seeing a handful of the top fifty, and you're 1530 01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:25.720 seeing a lot of the players just below there who 1531 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:29.520 are looking to protect and enhance their status for next year. 1532 01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:33.680 Any chance we see Tony I've heard rumors that, you know, 1533 01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:37.760 some sponsors have cobbled together the necessary cash. I can't 1534 01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:41.399 collaborate that. Any chance we see Tony Fenow playing in 1535 01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:42.319 the tournament. 1536 01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:49.399 Absolutely a chance. He hasn't committed yet, but we do 1537 01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:52.920 expect actually that he will be there. We know that 1538 01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:55.760 Patrick Fishburn and Zach Blair will be there. We know 1539 01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:59.960 that Mike Weir will be there. In what I think 1540 01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:02.920 is so far the best golf story of the year 1541 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:07.319 in Utah, jay Don Blake a Saint George native who 1542 01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:12.119 grew up just down the street, right literally down the 1543 01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:14.680 street from where Black Desert is now. Wasn't there when 1544 01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:16.239 he was a kid, but when he was a kid, 1545 01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:18.479 he lived down the street from where Black Desert is 1546 01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:23.479 now and has stayed in Saint George his entire life. 1547 01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:28.159 He has four hundred and ninety nine career starts on 1548 01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:32.239 the PGA Tour. He has been given an exemption into 1549 01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:35.720 this event. On Thursday, when he hits his t shot 1550 01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:41.760 and gets his official five hundredth start on the PGA Tour, 1551 01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:45.479 he'll be doing it in his hometown. With the PGA 1552 01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:47.960 Tour coming back to Utah for the first time in 1553 01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:51.520 sixty two years. It is a fantastic event and a 1554 01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:52.279 great story. 1555 01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:56.239 Since you and I last spoke, beca, Scottie Scheffler was struggling. 1556 01:13:56.640 --> 01:13:59.119 He was having a rough year. He hadn't made very 1557 01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:03.760 much money. Obviously, I kid Scotty takes on the Tour 1558 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:06.319 Championship in East Lake A cool what twenty five mil? 1559 01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:10.199 So he and you know what, isn't it fitting like 1560 01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:13.560 it should have been him? Gold medal, all the things, 1561 01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:16.119 all these what was it, nine to ten wins this year, 1562 01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:18.239 we haven't seen in forever. So give me your take 1563 01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:21.159 on Scotty's performance in the Tour Championship and give us 1564 01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:23.720 a perspective on the season that we just saw from 1565 01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:24.560 the world number one. 1566 01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:28.520 We saw one of the great seasons ever in the 1567 01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:32.760 history of the game. Not the greatest, but one of them, 1568 01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:35.680 certainly in the mix for one of the top five 1569 01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:38.920 greatest seasons ever. It's going to be hard, ever to 1570 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:42.239 beat Tiger Woods two thousand. I think you've got to 1571 01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:46.840 World War two. Notwithstanding, you've got to include Byron Nilson 1572 01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:51.439 nineteen forty five in the mix in these discussions. VJ. 1573 01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:57.399 Singh two thousand and nine. But this season that Scottie 1574 01:14:57.399 --> 01:15:01.640 Scheffler just had had some markers on it that were 1575 01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:04.680 really impressive. First of all, it included a major. In 1576 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:10.760 a great season, must include a major. Secondly, the other 1577 01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:15.079 tournaments that he won are what are now these elevated tournaments. 1578 01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:17.600 But think about these and the courses that he plays. 1579 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:23.239 He won the Players again on TPC Sawgrass, a great 1580 01:15:23.319 --> 01:15:28.640 golf course and a great tournament that I think will 1581 01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:33.880 ultimately be treated as a major championship. He won Jack's 1582 01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:38.119 tournament on Mirfield Village. He won Arnie's tournament at bay Hill. 1583 01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:41.640 He won the gold medal, and even though that's not 1584 01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:45.399 an official win, finding anybody who doesn't care, I care, 1585 01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:49.239 it matters. It's the Olympics. We won the gold medal 1586 01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:53.119 in the Olympics. And then even though it was the 1587 01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:58.159 side of the tournament that he won at the Tour Championship, 1588 01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:00.960 he did what he had to do to get the 1589 01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:06.560 official win there and that's Bobby Jones home course. So 1590 01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:09.319 you add all that up and it was a season 1591 01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:10.800 for the Ages, no doubt. 1592 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:15.119 Also, the President's Cup team was announced Scott e Xander, 1593 01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:20.159 Colin Morikawa, Wyndham Clark can't lay so he tagalags thrilled 1594 01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:23.479 for that young kid, Keegan Bradley. Come on, I mean, 1595 01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:25.960 who doesn't love seeing Keegan's name on at Sam Burns 1596 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:29.840 are very on, Tony fenw Ryan Harmon, Russell Henley and Maxoma. 1597 01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:34.119 Any thoughts on you know, the cliche question snubs? Did 1598 01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:35.520 they get it right? What are your thoughts on the 1599 01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:36.640 President's Cup team? 1600 01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:43.079 Fascinating to me that Keegan Bradley didn't pull himself out. 1601 01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:48.439 He is the incoming Ryder Cup captain. I get that 1602 01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:51.800 he's a player first, I get the juice's flow they 1603 01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:53.920 do with this all they sure do with that guy. 1604 01:16:55.319 --> 01:16:56.800 I would have thought that he would have said, no, 1605 01:16:56.840 --> 01:16:58.880 I'm going to focus on being a Ryder Cup captain. 1606 01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:00.720 I'm going to be an assistant, have to learn all 1607 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:05.000 I can and really focus on that me personally. If 1608 01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:07.640 I was in Jim Ferick's place, the captain of the 1609 01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:11.439 American side, I would have taken I would have taken 1610 01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:15.119 Justin Thomas. I think Justin Thomas is a generational talent 1611 01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:20.159 with a a proven record in these events, and he 1612 01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:22.479 was just a little bit outside the points on this. 1613 01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:27.600 I would have taken him. But yeah, all yea. Add 1614 01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:30.880 it all up, and look, this is an incredibly deep 1615 01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:35.159 and talented American team. I think that the international team 1616 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:38.439 will be able to compete, but everything's going to have 1617 01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:40.439 to bounce right for them to get a victory. 1618 01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:43.079 Tell us, and when I say, I mean me too, 1619 01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:46.199 you know, because I still a minia fight here. I'm learning. 1620 01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:49.479 I had no one cares about the round I had 1621 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:51.680 last week. It was so sad. I was like, why 1622 01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:53.319 do I do this? It was so sad. 1623 01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:53.920 I care. 1624 01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:56.840 It did not go well, Paul, it did not go 1625 01:17:56.880 --> 01:17:58.960 I'll tell you what I grinded to in eighty seven. Okay, 1626 01:17:59.000 --> 01:18:00.960 So I'm to the point now where if it's between 1627 01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:04.600 seventy eight and eighty four, I'm good. Anything above eighty 1628 01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:09.760 four bombed. Anything below seventy eight, I'm thrilled, But nobody cares. 1629 01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:11.680 It was bad. I know you care. We'll talk off air, 1630 01:18:11.960 --> 01:18:16.119 so you know. Recently, I'll admit this was the first 1631 01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:19.279 Ryder Cup I watched and I watched start to finish, 1632 01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:21.960 I sacrifice sleep, you know, and I loved it even 1633 01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:25.199 though we got smashed. So tell us tell me about 1634 01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:28.800 the President's Cup, about where they're playing and the track 1635 01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:32.239 at format and what we should expect from the American team. 1636 01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:37.279 Format is virtually identical to the Ryder Cup, so if 1637 01:18:37.279 --> 01:18:39.399 you're familiar with that, you know what they're talking about. 1638 01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:43.239 There will be a four ball what the Scotts call 1639 01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:46.920 a fourball, but that's the best ball. There will be 1640 01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:49.920 an alternate shot where the players play every other shot. 1641 01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:52.640 There will be the head to hit singles, which are 1642 01:18:53.159 --> 01:18:56.840 always the most fun matches, and that will wrap up 1643 01:18:56.920 --> 01:19:02.399 the week. One of the differences between the President's Cup 1644 01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:04.720 and the Ryder Cup that I really like and think 1645 01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:07.640 that the President's Cup gets right is that when they're 1646 01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:10.680 doing the pairings on the Ryder Cup, the captains submit 1647 01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:15.199 their choices and match one player A, match two player B, 1648 01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:18.119 and it's just on paper and then you don't know 1649 01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:23.000 what's coming. The pairings are live on the on the 1650 01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:26.359 the President's Cup, they'll say, okay, I choose Scotty Scheffler, 1651 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:30.600 and then the then it's the the international turn time 1652 01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:32.399 in this case, it will be chair, it will be 1653 01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:36.439 Captain Mike Weir, our own Mike Weir, and he'll say, Okay, 1654 01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:40.640 I'm gonna put I'm going to put Adam Scott against 1655 01:19:41.119 --> 01:19:43.439 Scotty Scheffler. And then it's then it's where's turn to 1656 01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:45.880 go first? And he says, I'm throwing out to Deckie Mantziyama. 1657 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:49.279 And then it'll be Ferri's turn to say, okay, Manciyama, 1658 01:19:49.399 --> 01:19:52.239 all right, then I'm going to give you Kegan Bradley 1659 01:19:52.399 --> 01:19:55.479 or Manziama, whatever it is. But that that live matching 1660 01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:58.800 is so cool to watch and so compelling to see 1661 01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:02.279 how how the the captains and their assistants go through 1662 01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:06.680 the pairing process. That's a lot of fun. You asked 1663 01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:09.600 about the course, Royal Montreal, one of the great courses 1664 01:20:09.640 --> 01:20:13.600 in the world, an old school parkland course that is 1665 01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:17.680 very mature at this point and it has a lot 1666 01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:21.880 of history. This is the course where Captain Mike Weir, 1667 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:26.079 then a player on the international side, took down Tiger 1668 01:20:26.119 --> 01:20:30.840 Woods at Tiger's Prime, got a point in the President's Cup, 1669 01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:35.439 wasn't enough for the International side to win, but everybody 1670 01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:38.920 still remembers when Mike Weir took down Tiger Woods in 1671 01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:42.439 the President's Cup that was at Royal Montreal, and so 1672 01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:46.800 you've got Mike were a native Canadian at Royal Montreal 1673 01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:49.520 where he had one of his great moments as a player. 1674 01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:54.159 And it's going to be a stirring thing. I will 1675 01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:57.760 be there. We will be doing the Utah Golf Radio 1676 01:20:57.800 --> 01:21:01.399 Show live from Royal Montreal on that shot. Cannot wait. 1677 01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:04.479 Wait, what did you just say? Did you say you're 1678 01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:07.399 doing your show on site at the President's Cup? 1679 01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:08.600 Yeah? 1680 01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:14.439 Well, hold who Porter Hop on the micro quick who 1681 01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:17.720 on this station hosts a very highly listened to, highly 1682 01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:19.520 rated afternoon drive program. 1683 01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:22.880 Is that me on Saturdays? It's Paul pug Meyer. 1684 01:21:22.920 --> 01:21:25.319 Well, but why can't I get an invite Paul to 1685 01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:27.680 any of this stuff? Why do you freeze me out 1686 01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:29.880 of the cool things you do being Paul pug Meyer. 1687 01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:31.640 I'm very upset on a Friday. 1688 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:35.840 Now, you know, I'll bet you we can still make 1689 01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:36.319 it happen. 1690 01:21:36.359 --> 01:21:36.760 Spencer. 1691 01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:39.560 Let's go all right, I'm gonna hold you to it. Porter. 1692 01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:41.359 I'm gonna be out of remote in Montreal all the 1693 01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:43.359 week before the President's Cup just so you know, I 1694 01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:45.720 will make it happen. Okay, thank you. I can't I 1695 01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:47.199 get I'm thrilled for you. It's just good to be 1696 01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:49.880 Paul pug Meyer. As I say all the time, find 1697 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:52.600 something you love the way Paul pug Meyer loves golf. 1698 01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:55.399 Let me ask you this. It feels like the Ryder 1699 01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:57.359 Cup is a bigger deal. I don't houlse to put 1700 01:21:57.359 --> 01:21:59.359 it feels like the Ryder Cup is a bigger deal 1701 01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:01.399 than the President Is that fair to say it's the 1702 01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:03.439 only it's the neo fi way I'm putting it today. 1703 01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:07.159 No, it's a good way to put it. It's completely 1704 01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:09.840 accurate and it is true. Yes, it is a bigger deal. 1705 01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:14.880 It is older and has more history and because of that, 1706 01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:24.680 yes it is. Plus, the President's Cup has has lacked 1707 01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:30.880 a rallying identity for the for the international team. When 1708 01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:34.520 when Ernie Els was the captain, he put a lot 1709 01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:37.000 of effort into creating a logo and creating a way 1710 01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:39.720 of talking about the international team to bring them together 1711 01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:43.399 as one. And even though the Ryder Cup side is 1712 01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:48.680 against the European team, that actually is a fairly recent 1713 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:53.640 change that Jack Nicholas was instrumental in bringing about. Because 1714 01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:57.239 the Ryder Cup got its start as a great Britain 1715 01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:02.000 versus America thing, and America was too dominant. And this 1716 01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:05.359 was back in the time when Sevi Biasteros and Bernhard 1717 01:23:05.439 --> 01:23:08.119 Langer were coming into their own and Jack Nicholas said, 1718 01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:11.680 let's make this more competitive. Let's make expand the Great 1719 01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:14.079 Britain team to be all of Europe. Let's Spring Bia 1720 01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:18.359 Steros and longer into this, and that made everything more 1721 01:23:18.399 --> 01:23:23.119 competitive for everybody, and it really led to the Ryder 1722 01:23:23.159 --> 01:23:27.239 Cup becoming must watch TV and completely compelling. And so 1723 01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:31.560 the President's Cup has lacked that unifying. 1724 01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:34.239 Thread, but they're getting to it. 1725 01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:38.399 And I think that the international team is getting stronger 1726 01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:43.439 as we get deeper into this, and that maybe not 1727 01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:45.800 this year, probably not this year, but I think it 1728 01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:47.560 will become more evenly balanced. 1729 01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:49.479 Is jan going to the President's Cup? 1730 01:23:50.359 --> 01:23:50.399 No? 1731 01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:53.479 All right, okay, I just I wanted to know how 1732 01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:55.760 mad I need to be on a Friday. Let's move 1733 01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:59.720 on from it. Okay, Actually, real quick, isn't saying Mike 1734 01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:03.279 hours the same thing as saying lowry marketing is ours? 1735 01:24:03.359 --> 01:24:06.640 Like if he's our, shouldn't he? I don't know Mike 1736 01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:09.119 Weirs is it's Canada's Mike Weir, isn't it. 1737 01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:14.119 Nope, We're very happy to share him with Canada because 1738 01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:18.960 Mike grew up in Canada and retains his Canadian citizenship 1739 01:24:19.159 --> 01:24:23.680 as a dual citizen. But Mike Weir went to college 1740 01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:27.359 at Brigham Young University and fell in love with Utah. 1741 01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:31.399 I get that, and he stayed. He has been a 1742 01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:34.239 full time resident of Utah since he was in college, 1743 01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:38.800 and he continues with that today. He's a Utah All. 1744 01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:41.680 Right, Okay, all right, Paul, before I set you loose, 1745 01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:44.359 you will not be in Montreal tomorrow, but tell our 1746 01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:46.960 listeners where you'll be and what the latest is in 1747 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:48.359 the world of local golf. 1748 01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:52.840 We'll be in the Mothership, We'll be in the studio tomorrow. 1749 01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:55.880 But there is so much going on in Utah golf 1750 01:24:55.920 --> 01:24:58.840 that we're going to be talking about. We've We're going 1751 01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:02.119 to be talking with dus In Bulk, the new Utah 1752 01:25:02.279 --> 01:25:07.039 PGA Section Championship champion winner. We're going to be with 1753 01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:12.880 Colby Callen updating everybody on the Utah exemptions that were 1754 01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:16.720 announced this week at Black Desert, and we're going to 1755 01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:21.359 be talking with coach Garrett Clegg about the incredible record 1756 01:25:21.479 --> 01:25:24.319 setting performance from the University of Utah golf team. 1757 01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:24.840 This week. 1758 01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:29.960 Half the record book was rewritten in a massively stirring 1759 01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:33.000 win that the youths had up at Washington State. We'll 1760 01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:34.359 talk with Coach Cleig about that. 1761 01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:38.880 Thanks for the time, I'm mad at you. Well chat soon, okay, okay, 1762 01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:41.000 good right, all right, Paul pug Meyer check him out 1763 01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:45.600 Utah Golf Radio tomorrow. What what's the deal? I need 1764 01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:48.600 to have a conversation with upper management my remotes. Next week. 1765 01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:51.800 I think I'm at the Snowmobile show, right, I think 1766 01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:52.640 I'm there next week? 1767 01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:53.159 I think so. 1768 01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:55.560 I believe I'm at a jewelry store in Ogden. You are, 1769 01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:58.039 I want to be clear, I'm fine with that. And 1770 01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:00.680 Paul Pugmyer goes to Montreal for the Resident's Cup to 1771 01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:01.119 do a show. 1772 01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:03.600 I'll be honest, I'm a little jealous of that one too. 1773 01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:05.800 I just need to know how the business is done 1774 01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:06.720 at this company. 1775 01:26:07.239 --> 01:26:10.479 I think I think the golf show kind of that's 1776 01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:11.079 their whole thing. 1777 01:26:11.319 --> 01:26:13.920 But maybe I'll start doing my own thing. 1778 01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:17.119 But yeah, there we go. I'll go do a radio 1779 01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:21.279 show from the Olympics, from the super Bowl. 1780 01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:27.439 Wherever, wherever. Good for Paul all Right, Paul Today courtesy 1781 01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:30.359 of our friends at Black Desert Resort. The Black Desert 1782 01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:34.239 Championship takes place October the ninth through the thirteenth. It's 1783 01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:36.159 coming up. It's gonna mark the return of the PGA 1784 01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:38.199 Tour to Utah for the first time in more than 1785 01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:41.560 sixty years. Tickets available at Black Desert Events dot Com. 1786 01:26:42.079 --> 01:26:45.720 Follow them on Instagram at Black at Black Desert Championship 1787 01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:47.600 is where you find them. If you haven't played it, 1788 01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:49.840 I don't know if you still can prior to the event. 1789 01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:53.840 It's awesome. They've done a remarkable job. Track is great, 1790 01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:56.920 the food is good, staff wonderful. People can't wait to 1791 01:26:56.920 --> 01:26:59.640 get back down there to our good friends at the 1792 01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:01.800 Black Desert Resort in Saint George. 1793 01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:06.239 For fifteen years, the Big Show dominated the Utah Sports 1794 01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:10.960 talk airwaves. First it was Craig Bowler, Jack and Gordon Monson, 1795 01:27:11.479 --> 01:27:13.640 followed by Spence Check its in Monson. 1796 01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:16.479 Now all three. 1797 01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:20.439 Are reunited on the Drive. It's time for the Big 1798 01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:24.840 Show Hour on the Drive with Spence Check Its exclusively 1799 01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:26.960 on ESPN seven hundred. 1800 01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:30.560 It is time now for the Big Show Big Hour. 1801 01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:33.319 We usually do it on Thursdays, but comes your way 1802 01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:35.239 out of Friday. It's brought to you by Big O' Tires. 1803 01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:37.760 Get our Healthy Car Special for fifty nine to ninety five, 1804 01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:41.880 which includes a conventional oil change, Jackson on Lineman's breaks, batteries, 1805 01:27:41.880 --> 01:27:43.920 and more. Check out big otires dot com to find 1806 01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:46.840 a location near you. Craig, I think we have a 1807 01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:48.800 special guest on the phone. I'm not sure, but let's 1808 01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:50.720 you and I. Let's do our thing. Let's not worry 1809 01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:54.079 about anyone on the phone. Is this somebody on the riviera? 1810 01:27:54.279 --> 01:27:56.319 I don't know. I don't know. But happy Friday, buddy. 1811 01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:56.960 How you do see? 1812 01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:00.720 Is Friday the thirteenth? You superstitious? No? Not really? It 1813 01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:04.000 did enter my mind, yeah, but I've never been superstitious. 1814 01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:05.880 Maybe a little stitious? What about your Yeah? 1815 01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:08.560 I think kind of numbers do kind of bug me. 1816 01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:10.720 Maybe I'll work with too many numbers. Maybe that's what 1817 01:28:10.760 --> 01:28:13.039 it is. And so the thirteen pops up and I 1818 01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:15.640 don't think about it on a regular day, but a 1819 01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:16.800 thirteen on a Friday? 1820 01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:20.520 Are you superstitious? A little? You know? 1821 01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:23.720 I think it's the business because I get into habits 1822 01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:29.119 of how you approach every game and where I sit 1823 01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:32.840 on a plane. You know, there's so many hours, and 1824 01:28:32.880 --> 01:28:36.359 if I don't sit in the same row or the 1825 01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:39.800 same seat, which is almost ninety nine percent of the time, 1826 01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:43.560 sometimes they've moved this around. I'm going, Man, I don't 1827 01:28:43.720 --> 01:28:47.319 like this, Yeah, because I'm so comfortable and I look 1828 01:28:47.319 --> 01:28:50.079 around and see the same people all the time. But yeah, 1829 01:28:50.079 --> 01:28:51.880 I think so. I think you kind of get into 1830 01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:55.439 most people do. Some people could care less, but I 1831 01:28:55.479 --> 01:28:58.399 think over I think I'm an overthinker when it comes 1832 01:28:58.399 --> 01:28:58.640 to that. 1833 01:28:58.680 --> 01:29:00.119 Hey, I wanted to say to you, thank you, thank 1834 01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:01.960 you so much for living up to your commitment of 1835 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:04.159 coming in the studio to do the show. Yes, it 1836 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:06.279 is sponsored by Big O'd Time, so it says a 1837 01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:06.840 lot about you. 1838 01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:09.680 And your character. I appreciate that. Yeah, look I see 1839 01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:11.560 an empty seat. Yeah, but I'm not gonna I'm not 1840 01:29:11.600 --> 01:29:12.279 the type of guy. 1841 01:29:12.399 --> 01:29:14.439 No, I want to focus on you to talk much 1842 01:29:14.439 --> 01:29:16.600 about that, because you show up, you do the work. 1843 01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:18.840 You're not all talk. You're about action. So let's just 1844 01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:21.359 you know, it feels like this segment's going really well. Yeah. Yeah, 1845 01:29:21.359 --> 01:29:23.680 it's smooth with the two of us live in studio, man, 1846 01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:27.279 because we're men of our work. Yes, smooth, Porter is 1847 01:29:27.279 --> 01:29:33.359 Gordon on the phone? Okay, hey, uh is there someone 1848 01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:35.720 on the other end of the line. Is Do I 1849 01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:38.720 hear a voice there? Hello? Hello, hello, hello, Hello? Come in? 1850 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:39.319 How are you? 1851 01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:43.359 I'll tell you what Come in? Come in here, I'll 1852 01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:47.399 tell you what's on the single of the line. 1853 01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:51.319 Where are you? Where are you? Why aren't you hanging 1854 01:29:51.319 --> 01:29:53.239 out with us on a Friday? Is this ship to shore? 1855 01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:55.199 What's going on? Well? 1856 01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:59.039 Okay, you should I be honest. 1857 01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:02.000 I always prefer honesty. I think it's the best way 1858 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:04.319 to go. But that's just us too. You do your thing. 1859 01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:07.000 If you want to make up something really good, that's okay. 1860 01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:10.119 Okay, So this is that was good? 1861 01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:10.840 It's true. 1862 01:30:11.560 --> 01:30:15.159 I uh. I was planning on doing the show on Thursdays, 1863 01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:20.399 like we usually do, so I scheduled a rather costly 1864 01:30:22.960 --> 01:30:28.520 golf outing and it was the kind of golf outing 1865 01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:31.640 you can't get out though, So I thought, if I 1866 01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:36.439 want to lose all that money, I'll come into the studio. 1867 01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:39.880 But I blamed for because I thought it was I 1868 01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:40.800 thought it was Thursday. 1869 01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:43.399 Well, real quick, did you get invited on this golf outing? 1870 01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:44.239 No? 1871 01:30:44.279 --> 01:30:46.039 I did not? Ye did I? No? 1872 01:30:46.039 --> 01:30:48.680 No telling. Do you want to share with the listeners. 1873 01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:53.079 I mean, is it close by or Bandon Dunes, You 1874 01:30:53.239 --> 01:30:57.279 down at the new course in Saint George, or I've. 1875 01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:00.199 Never been on Bandon Dune's, but I planned to. My 1876 01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:04.199 problem was going there, Augusta. I'm afraid of the I'm 1877 01:31:04.239 --> 01:31:06.520 afraid that the weather will be in clinics. 1878 01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:09.319 You know what you're at? Black You're a black desert. 1879 01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:10.439 Aren't you. 1880 01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:10.760 No? 1881 01:31:11.359 --> 01:31:13.279 No, I'm not, but I need to get there too. 1882 01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:17.039 All right, well, where are you, Gordon? Let's stop good. 1883 01:31:17.319 --> 01:31:20.199 I don't want to get too specific, but let me 1884 01:31:20.279 --> 01:31:23.079 put this away. I'm in the mountains, m. 1885 01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:28.319 But Promontory. You're a Promontory. 1886 01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:31.960 I was broken hearted because I wanted to come, come 1887 01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:35.760 hang out with you guys. They're all planned for yesterday. 1888 01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:40.359 But no, it could be at Wasatch State Park. Lost 1889 01:31:40.399 --> 01:31:44.039 at is not an expensive out for money, not for 1890 01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:47.039 money bags mons, just the Crater Right Homestead, which is 1891 01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:50.800 going private. I'm thinking Promontory or Victory Ranch. Gordon, Am 1892 01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:51.199 I close? 1893 01:31:53.159 --> 01:31:53.680 You could be? 1894 01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:56.600 Yeah? Okay, all right, all right, snob, let's move on. 1895 01:31:57.319 --> 01:31:59.760 Let's we'll take advantage of the time we have with 1896 01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:02.520 and then we'll let him go. So Gordo we'll just 1897 01:32:02.520 --> 01:32:05.199 start with you. Let's let's do a little Utah football. 1898 01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:07.520 Let's do a little cam rising. Okay, we talked about 1899 01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:11.600 this last week. Can you really rewire an aggressive athlete's 1900 01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:13.479 brain to throw it out of bounds or get down? 1901 01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:15.560 I don't know that the answer is yes. I could 1902 01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:18.239 be wrong. It's only week three and we're talking about 1903 01:32:18.279 --> 01:32:19.840 an injury to camp. Gordon, what do you think? 1904 01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:23.560 It's exactly what we said, Bence, he said, exactly right. 1905 01:32:23.640 --> 01:32:28.279 I wrote about it. It's just like it's like it's 1906 01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:34.079 like telling Einstein not to think, or Edison not to 1907 01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:37.600 invent our Shakespeare that he could only write in short sentences, 1908 01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:42.479 you know, or or you know, it's like telling Donald 1909 01:32:42.520 --> 01:32:45.439 Trump not to lie so much. You know. I mean, 1910 01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:50.680 it just it ain't happening. It ain't happen it you 1911 01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:51.560 can't change. 1912 01:32:52.680 --> 01:32:52.920 Look. 1913 01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:56.000 I thought maybe he would have listened to the coaches, 1914 01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:58.760 because the coaches of stress is all through camp, you 1915 01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:03.439 know that. And I was a little surprised when I 1916 01:33:03.479 --> 01:33:05.840 saw the play he got hurt on because it was 1917 01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:09.720 the exact kind of play that Andy Ludwig has probably 1918 01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:14.159 gone over with him a thousand times, saying don't do this. 1919 01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:16.199 And it's exactly what he did. 1920 01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:19.960 So Buller the play where he was injured, what really 1921 01:33:20.119 --> 01:33:23.520 And in real time, I'm like, dude, it's early down, Okay, 1922 01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:27.079 you have good field position. He's running to his left, 1923 01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:29.560 the ball is in his left hand, and I'm thinking 1924 01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:32.520 this won't end well. Now in real time, I thought 1925 01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:34.960 it was a penalty. I rewatched it and I still 1926 01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:36.760 think at the end of the day it probably is. 1927 01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:39.560 But the contact started in bounds. What do you make 1928 01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:40.720 of the play where Cam got hurt? 1929 01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:44.279 I thought both players were over aggressive and so that's 1930 01:33:44.359 --> 01:33:45.039 the outcome. 1931 01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:48.399 So what a quarterback you give? Chase? Your learning it? 1932 01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:52.720 Almost from my experience, you see a quarterback out loose, 1933 01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:55.720 it's fair game and the meat hooks come out, man, 1934 01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:58.039 because you want to take him down. 1935 01:33:58.600 --> 01:33:59.960 It's exactly what happened. 1936 01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:03.720 What went down And look, I thought, throw it away, 1937 01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:06.920 throw it away, get down, And I thought this you know, 1938 01:34:07.279 --> 01:34:11.079 and you brought Can you take an aggressive attitude out 1939 01:34:11.119 --> 01:34:11.760 of an athlete? 1940 01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:15.560 And I'm convinced no. All you do you can try. 1941 01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:18.720 To rewire the guy, but in reality he may buy 1942 01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:21.560 in for a couple of snaps, but when he's out 1943 01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:24.960 in the open like that, then the instincts kick and. 1944 01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:26.359 That's exactly what I saw him do. 1945 01:34:26.399 --> 01:34:29.119 I thought, Okay, he's gonna motor, he's gonna prove everybody 1946 01:34:29.159 --> 01:34:32.640 again and himself that the wheels are good. And he's 1947 01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:35.640 a big, strong cat and he's back and all of 1948 01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:38.000 a sudden it turns upside down. I thought it was 1949 01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:40.560 an aggressive play by him, which shouldn't have been a 1950 01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:43.720 very aggressive play by the defender. And of course, bad 1951 01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:48.600 placement for about a half a dozen gatorade whatever, and 1952 01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:52.920 and equipment, you know, carriage or carriers, and you know, 1953 01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:54.760 when he looked when he rolled in hit, I thought, okay, 1954 01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.039 maybe then he looked at his hand, I thought, wow, 1955 01:34:57.479 --> 01:35:00.279 did he dislocate? But instead it's a laceration. And now 1956 01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:02.079 you don't know what the outcome will be. 1957 01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:05.720 So let's guys go ahead, guys, I thought, I thought 1958 01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:09.199 it was an absolute cheap shot. I you know, because 1959 01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:13.279 I understand the aggressive of the defensive, EVENCI player two 1960 01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:16.840 hundred and ninety pounds, you know, so fleet for the dude. 1961 01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:20.680 And when I saw what he was doing, I thought, oh. 1962 01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:24.000 The second I saw it, I thought, that's trouble. And 1963 01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:27.359 then when Cam flew into the gear aage stand. It 1964 01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:30.960 was like, something's got to be hurt. So I don't 1965 01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:31.680 know what it was. 1966 01:35:32.119 --> 01:35:35.359 What it would be shoulder, hey, goal turned underneath. You 1967 01:35:35.399 --> 01:35:37.760 know what remind me of a little Gordo the day 1968 01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:41.720 of Taysom Hill. The days of Taysom Hill where he 1969 01:35:41.800 --> 01:35:46.319 was injured. A great athlete, but multiple injuries running and 1970 01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:49.000 most of those occurred as he was heading out of bounds. 1971 01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:51.119 An exactly the same thing happened to Camp. 1972 01:35:52.279 --> 01:35:56.520 Well, yeah, I just you've got to put it in 1973 01:35:56.560 --> 01:36:00.479 your mind. Play smart. Your team needs you. You saw 1974 01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:03.359 the difference between the first half and the second half. 1975 01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:06.039 It was like two different teams in that first half. Guys, 1976 01:36:06.119 --> 01:36:09.640 I was thinking, there's a playoff team. It's a playoff team. 1977 01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:14.399 Second half, Holy hell, are these guys even gonna finish 1978 01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:19.319 five hundred without this guy? They meet him and Kyle 1979 01:36:19.359 --> 01:36:23.079 with them probably just said, look, Kyle, I know how 1980 01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:26.359 you're wired. I want you to go watch film with 1981 01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:29.680 Dan Marino and watch him throw the ball away anytime 1982 01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:33.079 he's pressured. Just do that. Because the utes can't abide 1983 01:36:33.079 --> 01:36:33.840 the loss. 1984 01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:34.079 Of that guy. 1985 01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:37.840 So let's move into the space of what it's going 1986 01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:41.000 to look like coming up, because Bullard to Gordon's points. 1987 01:36:41.239 --> 01:36:43.359 And I was at the game and actually went down 1988 01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:45.239 to watch the fourth quarter on the sideline and see 1989 01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:48.880 if I could get any information about Cam. And you 1990 01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:51.800 could tell the air just evaporate from the stadium when 1991 01:36:51.800 --> 01:36:53.840 he got hurt. You could tell he, you know, walks 1992 01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:56.439 out in street clothes. There was kind of a funny 1993 01:36:56.439 --> 01:36:59.439 little moment where somebody from the muss yelled at him, Cam, 1994 01:36:59.640 --> 01:37:02.159 give us thumbs up if you're okay, which he did, 1995 01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:06.199 and you know that obviously is comforting. But okay, isaacsure two, 1996 01:37:06.279 --> 01:37:08.119 We get it. That's what you've said, Isaacs, you're two, 1997 01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:11.199 all right, He's eighteen. He disenrolled in April, So I'm 1998 01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:14.960 absolutely about observation, not conclusion. But here's the deal, Craig, 1999 01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:17.119 if Isaac'su're two, it asked to look better than it 2000 01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:18.359 did on set. I agree. 2001 01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:23.279 You had Rojo Robert Johnson on in the three o'clock hour, 2002 01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:25.920 and I thought that was pretty I thought he was 2003 01:37:26.199 --> 01:37:26.960 very insightful. 2004 01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:28.199 It's real simple. 2005 01:37:28.680 --> 01:37:32.079 Here's an eighteen year old backing up a potential All 2006 01:37:32.119 --> 01:37:36.680 American or a Heisman supposed early season candidate, and now 2007 01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:40.720 he's the guy for the time being and that's difficult 2008 01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:45.359 to take over a top ten team and predicted to be, 2009 01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:47.720 you know, in the running for a Big twelve championship 2010 01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:48.119 and beyond. 2011 01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:49.920 And I think Gordo would agree. 2012 01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:54.520 I mean at eighteen, Andy Hesson now collapses offensive playbook 2013 01:37:54.880 --> 01:37:57.439 which was wide open and now it's probably the chapters one, 2014 01:37:57.560 --> 01:37:59.479 two and maybe maybe open three. 2015 01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:03.840 But as Roberts said, was short throw game. 2016 01:38:04.399 --> 01:38:07.520 Run the ball and depend on your offensive line to 2017 01:38:07.560 --> 01:38:10.880 help you and don't turn it over and just get 2018 01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:13.640 through this process. Now it's Utah State and maybe again 2019 01:38:13.960 --> 01:38:18.159 Utah coaches and everyone says, look, Aggie's are hurt too, 2020 01:38:19.039 --> 01:38:22.000 They've got their own issues. We'll go up there, get one, 2021 01:38:22.199 --> 01:38:24.920 come back and reevaluate. It's kind of a lucky week 2022 01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:27.960 in a way for Cam and the Utes, but it's 2023 01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:30.520 also could be Gordon. In my book, I think a 2024 01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:35.760 growth week for Isaac who desperately needs to find his confidence, 2025 01:38:36.279 --> 01:38:39.399 and also not only himself, but the ten other guys 2026 01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:42.159 in the huddle to say, if Cam's not coming back 2027 01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:44.920 for a while, then you know what, we have to 2028 01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:48.520 trust this young freshman. And that's what I see is 2029 01:38:48.920 --> 01:38:52.600 it's a growth period, a confidence booster, but also a 2030 01:38:52.600 --> 01:38:54.760 way that ten other guys in the huddle are going 2031 01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:57.039 to build respect for this young kid. 2032 01:38:57.439 --> 01:38:59.359 Gordon, what do you think success? Yeah? 2033 01:38:59.439 --> 01:39:04.319 Good, I'm sorry. I guess I was gonna follow Bowler with, uh, 2034 01:39:05.680 --> 01:39:08.279 do you have to trust him or do you go 2035 01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:11.720 to a different option? I mean, I don't know. I'm 2036 01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:14.359 one of those people that does believe. I do believe 2037 01:39:15.319 --> 01:39:18.640 that a quarterback needs time to develop, and so if 2038 01:39:18.640 --> 01:39:20.800 that's what you really want to do with him, then 2039 01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:24.520 do it. But this season is such a such a 2040 01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:28.079 unique opportunity for you taught to do something that's never 2041 01:39:28.159 --> 01:39:31.800 done before. And let's go to that playoff. If they 2042 01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:35.039 can just get by, you said it, you touted no 2043 01:39:35.159 --> 01:39:41.079 disrespect to the aggage, but they're struggling. So maybe they 2044 01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:42.880 can get by with the kids. Maybe they can do 2045 01:39:42.920 --> 01:39:45.600 both things. They can develop him, give him some confidence, 2046 01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:48.039 and let him play against this team and come out 2047 01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:50.600 with a victory. If you could do that, then okay. 2048 01:39:50.920 --> 01:39:53.920 But if he struggles against this team, I don't I 2049 01:39:53.960 --> 01:39:57.960 mean I wouldn't be that. I wouldn't be that hesitant 2050 01:39:58.000 --> 01:39:59.880 to go ahead with somebody else if I needed to. 2051 01:40:00.279 --> 01:40:02.319 So that is actually where I wanted to go next. 2052 01:40:02.439 --> 01:40:04.319 You know as far as what success looks like for 2053 01:40:04.399 --> 01:40:06.880 Isaac and U taught football tomorrow, Craig, and I'll go 2054 01:40:06.920 --> 01:40:08.720 to you on this because, like I said, if it 2055 01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:12.119 looks the way it looked on Saturday against Utah State, 2056 01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:15.680 then we need to have a conversation because at this point, 2057 01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:18.800 I hate to say this, what's our confidence level the 2058 01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:22.520 Cameron can stay healthy about My hope, my sincerest of 2059 01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:25.720 hopes is that he does. My confidence level in that 2060 01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:27.840 is not all that high. I don't know how it 2061 01:40:27.880 --> 01:40:30.239 can be based off of what we've seen, and I 2062 01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:34.000 think Gordon raises a fair point. Okay, so Baylor, Dave 2063 01:40:34.119 --> 01:40:36.319 Randa has made his way through the sport as a 2064 01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:39.640 defensive genius. Right, So Baylor showed up with better athletes 2065 01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:42.560 than SUU, a good defensive scheme because that's who Dave is, 2066 01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:46.680 and so they were able to stifle Isaac. Utah State 2067 01:40:46.880 --> 01:40:50.560 just got their breaks blown off by USC and Southern 2068 01:40:50.560 --> 01:40:54.560 cal Nate Driyling is a defensive coach. But if it looks, 2069 01:40:54.680 --> 01:40:58.239 Craig tomorrow like it looked last week, when do we 2070 01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:01.199 start talking about Brandon Rose or Sam Yeah? Well Rose 2071 01:41:01.760 --> 01:41:02.680 was my first thought. 2072 01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:06.399 I think what Utah State will do, will test Isaac 2073 01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:11.159 early as they should come at him, edge, rush, up 2074 01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:13.880 the middle. I mean, all sorts of different defensive looks. 2075 01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:16.199 I think they're going to try to. I think their 2076 01:41:16.199 --> 01:41:21.319 best opportunity, Spence and Gordon would be to disrupt Isaac 2077 01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:25.079 in the first quarter. That's where Robert Johnson ROJO said 2078 01:41:25.119 --> 01:41:27.720 to you, play it safe, don't turn the ball over, 2079 01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:30.279 just hand it off and run. Establish a run, get 2080 01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:32.199 through the early part of the game, which is smart 2081 01:41:32.199 --> 01:41:35.239 because what that does is counter what Utah State wants 2082 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:37.840 to do, and that is to mess with the head 2083 01:41:37.960 --> 01:41:40.640 of an eighteen year old quarterback with one hell of 2084 01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:43.119 a football team. So it's up to the O line 2085 01:41:43.159 --> 01:41:45.840 to buy in and also protect. But also he's got 2086 01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:49.079 to find some early success. Just dump it off flat, 2087 01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:52.760 don't do anything crazy, and just get a couple under 2088 01:41:52.800 --> 01:41:53.359 your belt. 2089 01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:54.640 And that's what it takes. 2090 01:41:54.640 --> 01:41:58.600 I mean, the guy comes in with incredible credentials, right, 2091 01:41:58.760 --> 01:42:01.800 and so you have to build that confidence and say 2092 01:42:01.800 --> 01:42:04.319 to yourself, yeah, I know I belong. And so I 2093 01:42:04.359 --> 01:42:06.439 looked at his first two game numbers. He's eleven of 2094 01:42:06.479 --> 01:42:10.159 twenty one hundred and forty yards, two picks, touchdown, and 2095 01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:13.159 he's carried the ball seven times, mostly just out of 2096 01:42:13.199 --> 01:42:16.319 necessity for a poultry eleven yards. But those are just 2097 01:42:16.399 --> 01:42:18.800 kind of like breakdown plays that he's had to kind 2098 01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:20.960 of just make something out of nothing. But if this 2099 01:42:21.039 --> 01:42:22.720 is a big week, and as Gordon said, I think 2100 01:42:22.760 --> 01:42:26.640 it's true that, you know, if it doesn't quite work, 2101 01:42:26.720 --> 01:42:29.359 then Andy and Kyle they've got some decisions. 2102 01:42:29.399 --> 01:42:30.439 Do you go another direction? 2103 01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:34.399 But also do you destroy the confidence of Isaac early 2104 01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:37.800 in his young career and does that force a red shirt? 2105 01:42:37.840 --> 01:42:40.520 I mean, there's a lot of situations that they have 2106 01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:41.159 to weigh out. 2107 01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:43.000 And how bad is Cam's injury? 2108 01:42:43.479 --> 01:42:45.800 I mean I heard it was infected and then you 2109 01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:47.520 know this may be for six weeks. 2110 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:49.640 Oh wow. I mean you just don't know. 2111 01:42:50.239 --> 01:42:53.840 But I can't believe that we're talking about this in 2112 01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:58.520 or mid September that Cam Rising is again on the shelf. 2113 01:42:58.600 --> 01:43:00.640 Yeah, with injury, poor guy. 2114 01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:03.840 Guys. I'm sorry, go ahead, No, I just said. 2115 01:43:04.079 --> 01:43:05.920 Just to be clear. The reports that I understand to 2116 01:43:05.960 --> 01:43:08.199 be accurate are he's out this week, expected to play 2117 01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:09.880 next week. That's a good thing. Yeah. 2118 01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:13.560 And here's the other aspect to this. An issue that 2119 01:43:14.159 --> 01:43:17.560 has to arise, and that is everybody else on that 2120 01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:20.880 team has to step up because if this is gonna hap, 2121 01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:23.319 Let's say this happens once or twice or a year, 2122 01:43:23.399 --> 01:43:26.880 but cam is always able to come back and finish 2123 01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:29.359 out the season. Let's say, you know, and that's I 2124 01:43:29.399 --> 01:43:31.960 think most of your fans probably would take that. If 2125 01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:34.439 you said, miss two games and be here the rest 2126 01:43:34.479 --> 01:43:35.840 of the time. Do you think they would take that? 2127 01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:39.319 They probably would. But what has to happen. Everybody else 2128 01:43:39.399 --> 01:43:42.680 on that offense has to step up, and the defense 2129 01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:45.680 has to play a step above where it usually does 2130 01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:48.439 to give that offense what it needs in the meantime. 2131 01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:50.520 If they do that, if they can do that, and 2132 01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:53.359 I thought that was really hit or miss against Dale 2133 01:43:53.439 --> 01:43:56.079 or I saw some good play and then I saw 2134 01:43:56.159 --> 01:44:00.600 some con mediocre play. Everybody has to ride. And I'm 2135 01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:03.239 sure that Kyle Whittingham has said that a thousand times 2136 01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:03.560 to him. 2137 01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:05.319 This week, Bence, I thought was spot on. 2138 01:44:05.439 --> 01:44:08.880 You could tell the difference in the stadium, on the field, 2139 01:44:09.039 --> 01:44:12.880 and the huddle. He goes out that team's personality did 2140 01:44:12.920 --> 01:44:15.760 a left turn, right turn or a U turn twenty 2141 01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:16.279 three to three? 2142 01:44:16.319 --> 01:44:17.159 What at the half? 2143 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:21.640 And then the offense goes still thankfully Utah's defense continue 2144 01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:24.000 to kind of just hang in there. But they were 2145 01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:26.640 on the field a lot and Baylor was moving and 2146 01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:29.279 we're able to regain some confidence. But in the end 2147 01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:32.560 Utah was able to shut him down. But I think 2148 01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:36.239 an early start, some early confidence, you just got to 2149 01:44:36.279 --> 01:44:38.680 play go up there and hopefully get home. And the 2150 01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:41.520 other part of it is, again, can you get back 2151 01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:43.840 to Salt Lake healthy? And Utah State's trying to stay 2152 01:44:43.840 --> 01:44:44.359 healthy too. 2153 01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:45.880 One more thing on this game. 2154 01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:48.399 Okay, sorry, now just one. 2155 01:44:48.239 --> 01:44:49.720 More thing on this game because then we need to 2156 01:44:49.720 --> 01:44:51.680 do a little BYU so we can get Gordon back 2157 01:44:51.720 --> 01:44:57.239 to a stake sandwich and his caviaar. Every week, every 2158 01:44:57.279 --> 01:45:01.079 week in college football, something bananas happens. Okay. So Notre 2159 01:45:01.159 --> 01:45:04.199 Dame was essentially a thirty point favorite. Last week they 2160 01:45:04.239 --> 01:45:07.920 lose to Northern Illinois. Bamba was tied with South Florida 2161 01:45:07.960 --> 01:45:10.560 in the fourth quarter, then they ran away. I'm not 2162 01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:13.159 saying that this has upset written all over it, but 2163 01:45:13.359 --> 01:45:15.520 this is a sneaky game. We've all been up to Logan, 2164 01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:18.279 we've all been up to Maverick Stadium. Student section is 2165 01:45:18.319 --> 01:45:21.680 really good. It's not Ford Field, but it's not the 2166 01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:24.319 easiest place to play. We have the in state stuff 2167 01:45:24.319 --> 01:45:26.880 where Utah State kids may want to play at Utah, 2168 01:45:26.960 --> 01:45:29.760 they want to come out and really play hard. One 2169 01:45:29.800 --> 01:45:32.039 to ten Craig and Gordon. That will move on to 2170 01:45:32.119 --> 01:45:35.039 byu level of concern that you fans should have for 2171 01:45:35.359 --> 01:45:36.359 upset watch tomorrow. 2172 01:45:36.439 --> 01:45:40.880 That's a good question, really good question. You know, the 2173 01:45:40.960 --> 01:45:45.720 in state statement is real, so let's put that on 2174 01:45:45.760 --> 01:45:50.279 the table. Home field advantage is real. That's a tough 2175 01:45:50.279 --> 01:45:57.600 place to play. Also in Aggie basketball, is they're great fans. Yeah, 2176 01:45:57.600 --> 01:46:00.279 I'd be concerned. I think the first quarter tells a 2177 01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:04.119 lot again and the way Isaac plays, But on a 2178 01:46:04.159 --> 01:46:06.439 scale of one to ten, I think there's a little 2179 01:46:06.520 --> 01:46:10.000 bit of maybe five and a half to six of worry. 2180 01:46:10.199 --> 01:46:12.520 I mean it's easy to say, oh gosh, you know, 2181 01:46:12.600 --> 01:46:15.760 look at us, we're Nashally ranked, We're supposed to do this, 2182 01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:19.079 supposed to do that. This weekend doesn't really give you 2183 01:46:19.119 --> 01:46:23.000 that much. That doesn't mean anything. You're still working in 2184 01:46:23.039 --> 01:46:26.439 a new guy eighteen years young, and Utah State has 2185 01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:29.439 nothing to lose after getting stepped on forty eight zip 2186 01:46:29.800 --> 01:46:34.319 right rally call, maybe, but I would think the first 2187 01:46:34.399 --> 01:46:37.199 quarter will indicate the outcome of this game. In my opinion, 2188 01:46:37.359 --> 01:46:39.600 I could be wrong, but I think the way you 2189 01:46:39.640 --> 01:46:43.119 start is the way you then dictate the pace of 2190 01:46:43.119 --> 01:46:46.159 the game and also how the opponent will react. 2191 01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:50.119 If they get stepped on or give. 2192 01:46:49.159 --> 01:46:51.159 Somebody a pop and they drop the ball, you pick 2193 01:46:51.199 --> 01:46:53.520 it up, run it for a pick six or something. 2194 01:46:54.560 --> 01:46:56.920 You start to control the tempo and the outcome of 2195 01:46:56.920 --> 01:46:57.159 the game. 2196 01:46:57.199 --> 01:46:59.399 Gorda, what do you think, don't. 2197 01:46:59.239 --> 01:47:05.159 Worry at all, camera playing zero worry as is. I 2198 01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:08.000 would put it at about five. I think Bowler's pretty 2199 01:47:08.039 --> 01:47:12.600 right somewhere in that range. And again we're guessing, because 2200 01:47:12.600 --> 01:47:15.199 what are we going to see at quarterback? What are 2201 01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:17.960 we going to see there? I don't know, and I 2202 01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:21.000 don't think anybody knows. I think Andy Love would go 2203 01:47:21.039 --> 01:47:23.319 over there, going let's see what am I going to see? 2204 01:47:23.319 --> 01:47:23.399 You? 2205 01:47:23.399 --> 01:47:23.800 I don't know. 2206 01:47:23.920 --> 01:47:28.119 You know, I would I put it at five. 2207 01:47:28.479 --> 01:47:30.680 All right, before we set Gordon loose, Let's do a 2208 01:47:30.680 --> 01:47:34.800 little BYU. So BYU travels to Laramie. They have injury 2209 01:47:34.800 --> 01:47:38.119 issues of their own. Hinkley, Rapati and LJ. Martin, their 2210 01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:40.960 top two running backs, according to reports, will not be available. 2211 01:47:41.199 --> 01:47:42.840 There are some reports that say both those are going 2212 01:47:42.880 --> 01:47:44.520 to be both those two will be out for a while. 2213 01:47:45.520 --> 01:47:48.840 Last week fourth and one, the thirty seven yard carry 2214 01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:51.880 was Miles Davis. They have some depth in that room. 2215 01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:54.840 By the way, gritty gutty win on the road, SMU, 2216 01:47:54.920 --> 01:47:57.479 you're a twelve point dog. That's like a Killane win 2217 01:47:57.600 --> 01:48:00.600 for sure. So BYU has a chance to finish non 2218 01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:03.439 con clean. And I've said that they had to to 2219 01:48:03.439 --> 01:48:05.439 make a bowl. That's what I believe to be true. 2220 01:48:05.800 --> 01:48:09.159 The line has moved three times towards Wyoming. It is 2221 01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:12.079 settled as of now BYU minus nine point five. The 2222 01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:14.239 over under is the lowest over under the Big twelve 2223 01:48:14.239 --> 01:48:17.560 at forty point five. Because BYU's offenses look horrible and 2224 01:48:17.600 --> 01:48:19.880 Wyoming is just not good. So Craig will start with 2225 01:48:19.920 --> 01:48:22.600 you your thoughts on a gutty win in Dallas, and 2226 01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:24.680 what are you expecting from BYU and Layer of Me tomorrow? 2227 01:48:24.800 --> 01:48:27.720 Yeah, I was surprised the way that game played out, 2228 01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:33.640 low scoring, big play, field goals, defensive stops what eighteen fifteen? 2229 01:48:33.760 --> 01:48:36.920 Eighteen fifteen? And you know, is it pretty football? 2230 01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:37.039 No? 2231 01:48:37.199 --> 01:48:39.279 But it's what you call grind it and get it 2232 01:48:39.319 --> 01:48:42.279 done and come home. Killanie right, Kalani. I mean it's 2233 01:48:42.359 --> 01:48:44.840 you know, I'm sure he was smiling on the bus 2234 01:48:44.920 --> 01:48:46.279 ride and the plane ride home. 2235 01:48:46.359 --> 01:48:47.479 Look, that's how you win. 2236 01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:51.560 You win dirty sometimes and not speaking dirty play, I'm 2237 01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:54.640 talking about just it. It was just not clean, but 2238 01:48:54.720 --> 01:48:58.119 you won. And now you're two to zero, and now 2239 01:48:58.119 --> 01:49:00.199 you go to Wyoming and you've been up there. It's 2240 01:49:00.199 --> 01:49:03.439 it's a difficult place to play. They have a crowd 2241 01:49:04.119 --> 01:49:07.000 that's not fun. And you know what, they're lucky it's September, 2242 01:49:07.079 --> 01:49:10.560 not in the middle of October or early November, because 2243 01:49:10.600 --> 01:49:13.960 it's a hell hole of weather that that rolls into 2244 01:49:14.039 --> 01:49:16.720 Laramie quite often. I've been up there for basketball. It's like, 2245 01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:17.760 are you kidding me? 2246 01:49:17.840 --> 01:49:18.319 Right now? 2247 01:49:18.680 --> 01:49:21.680 You know tim below, you know, and the wind chill factor. 2248 01:49:21.960 --> 01:49:24.119 So I mean it should be a good day weather wise. 2249 01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:28.000 But again it's it's go go up there, and Klannie's 2250 01:49:28.000 --> 01:49:29.640 gonna have to say this, guys, we're two and oh. 2251 01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:32.960 No time just to feel like we're walking on you know, 2252 01:49:33.359 --> 01:49:35.560 on on air. I mean, we just we got to 2253 01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:37.960 put our head down and play. That'd be my biggest concern, 2254 01:49:38.399 --> 01:49:41.119 is it go on the road after oh, after being 2255 01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:43.680 two and oh, and then lay an egg and laramie 2256 01:49:45.159 --> 01:49:48.720 defense obviously gonna have to shape it uh and and 2257 01:49:48.760 --> 01:49:51.520 control some of that. But also I hate to say 2258 01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:54.439 this because when I was calling games, every coach decordinator 2259 01:49:54.439 --> 01:49:56.680 would always say this or an O coordinator. 2260 01:49:56.279 --> 01:49:57.760 How are you gonna win this game? I'll give you 2261 01:49:57.800 --> 01:49:58.319 three keys. 2262 01:49:58.359 --> 01:50:01.039 You know what they are, Control tempo, run the ball, 2263 01:50:01.079 --> 01:50:04.159 and don't turn it over. And basically by he's going 2264 01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:05.760 to have to do that as well and try to 2265 01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:09.880 find some offense and if not, that opens a window. 2266 01:50:10.119 --> 01:50:11.239 And you know what, in. 2267 01:50:11.199 --> 01:50:15.159 College football, every Saturday, there's one score or two that 2268 01:50:15.279 --> 01:50:18.520 jumps out. You go, whoa, and this could be one. 2269 01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:21.079 But Kilane's going to have to control I think, the 2270 01:50:21.119 --> 01:50:24.479 attitude and the approach and make that very clear. And 2271 01:50:24.600 --> 01:50:26.840 I always am the first quarter guy because you can 2272 01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:31.000 understand the mentality and the approach of each team. And 2273 01:50:31.039 --> 01:50:33.920 I guarantee ym he's going to be running around spraying 2274 01:50:33.960 --> 01:50:35.199 the defense around that field. 2275 01:50:35.239 --> 01:50:38.359 And one week from tomorrow K states in Prova. Right, 2276 01:50:38.560 --> 01:50:40.800 are we looking ahead? Gordo? Before we set you loose, 2277 01:50:41.039 --> 01:50:42.840 give me your thoughts on where we're at with BYU. 2278 01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:46.800 Why on we suck? I mean, I mean that team 2279 01:50:46.920 --> 01:50:50.479 is not good this year. But I agree with what 2280 01:50:50.520 --> 01:50:54.720 you guys said. Any football team can lose on a 2281 01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:58.119 certain day if they're not dialed in. What we saw 2282 01:50:58.199 --> 01:51:01.479 last week was obviously the defense has played fantastic. The 2283 01:51:01.560 --> 01:51:04.359 offense sputtered all over the place. And you heard what 2284 01:51:04.479 --> 01:51:09.760 Colonieck he said earlier this week talking to let's laugh. Uh, 2285 01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:13.600 you know, don't turn the ball over, take care of 2286 01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:16.600 the ball, don't fumble it without being hit, don't throw 2287 01:51:16.720 --> 01:51:21.439 picks that are just stupid. And so I've always believed 2288 01:51:21.439 --> 01:51:24.960 that BYU, in order to be even that it's sort 2289 01:51:24.960 --> 01:51:29.279 of seventy five level, the quarterback has to play well. 2290 01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:33.159 And so that's what has to happen. And I said, 2291 01:51:33.199 --> 01:51:35.800 a hostile environment with a urn bombs fly. 2292 01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:39.600 Craig, let me say once again how you are proven 2293 01:51:39.640 --> 01:51:41.880 to be a man of character by showing up live 2294 01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:46.239 in the studio to fulfill your obligation. Appreciate that. So, hey, 2295 01:51:46.239 --> 01:51:51.760 Gordo Cavir, cold cold, cold beer with a little little 2296 01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:53.600 head on top. I don't think he's picked up that 2297 01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:56.079 habit at this stage of Okay, okay, you know I 2298 01:51:56.079 --> 01:51:57.920 didn't think, well, you know, a good guy code comes 2299 01:51:57.960 --> 01:52:00.000 in hand wrong with it. Beer whatever you want. 2300 01:52:00.640 --> 01:52:03.680 But the cavityard though on a cracker, I can see 2301 01:52:03.720 --> 01:52:04.039 it right now. 2302 01:52:04.079 --> 01:52:05.000 Pinky's up, man. 2303 01:52:04.960 --> 01:52:10.920 Uh huh. I'm just trying to pick some of myself 2304 01:52:10.960 --> 01:52:11.840 with the pinky up. 2305 01:52:12.439 --> 01:52:13.000 Pinky's on. 2306 01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:16.920 Yeah, I don't think I can see myself. I'm doing it. 2307 01:52:16.960 --> 01:52:18.920 But look, I mean. 2308 01:52:19.720 --> 01:52:22.000 The future will have to book out every. 2309 01:52:21.840 --> 01:52:23.800 Day of the week for the show, you know, because 2310 01:52:23.800 --> 01:52:25.359 I'm not sure what it's going to be. 2311 01:52:27.640 --> 01:52:30.399 Gord. We cand we tease have fun up there. I 2312 01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:32.439 enjoy it. Bust be beautiful. Man, it's a beautiful day. 2313 01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:34.680 I see next week. Okay, here it is. 2314 01:52:34.680 --> 01:52:38.520 Man, and it's I wouldn't miss this. I just missed 2315 01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:41.479 three bold and I couldn't care less because I'm having 2316 01:52:41.479 --> 01:52:41.880 a good. 2317 01:52:41.760 --> 01:52:42.640 Time with you. Gush. 2318 01:52:42.840 --> 01:52:45.840 I hit it straight all right. 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The Big Show, 2337 01:53:36.439 --> 01:53:38.439 Big Hour rolls on here on the drive brought to 2338 01:53:38.439 --> 01:53:41.119 you at Big O'd Tires. Visit Big o'tires dot com 2339 01:53:41.119 --> 01:53:44.920 to find a location near you. Over fifty locally owned 2340 01:53:44.920 --> 01:53:49.319 and operated locations in Utah. All right, Bowler, there are 2341 01:53:49.600 --> 01:53:55.039 very few people. There are very few help anything objects 2342 01:53:55.079 --> 01:53:59.399 furniture that represent the Utah Jazz quite like Dan Roberts does. 2343 01:54:00.079 --> 01:54:02.159 And you know, we just found out that this will 2344 01:54:02.199 --> 01:54:04.720 be Dan's final year. He is the PA Voice of 2345 01:54:04.760 --> 01:54:07.920 the Utah jazzt I still miss bring him on. How 2346 01:54:07.920 --> 01:54:09.880 about that jazz that was like my favorite thing back 2347 01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:11.880 in the day. Can we get Craigs micon porter please. 2348 01:54:12.840 --> 01:54:15.960 So you obviously have known Dan forever as if I'm 2349 01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:18.079 great friends of the family. Jeremy and I golf from 2350 01:54:18.119 --> 01:54:18.720 time to time. 2351 01:54:20.760 --> 01:54:23.439 This one got me. I'm I'm sad about this. Yeah, 2352 01:54:23.479 --> 01:54:25.439 this one surprised me, kind of just came out of 2353 01:54:26.039 --> 01:54:31.199 left field. But man, Dan is terrific individual. Got to 2354 01:54:31.239 --> 01:54:33.439 know him even better these last twenty years that I've 2355 01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:36.880 been involved, and you go by the table, you know 2356 01:54:37.039 --> 01:54:41.159 it's iconic voice. You go into the press room and 2357 01:54:41.600 --> 01:54:44.159 the crews in there, and Dan's kind of leading the charge, 2358 01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:49.880 and you know it's he is. He has witnessed greatness, 2359 01:54:50.840 --> 01:54:53.720 I hope, and I know he understands that. But he's 2360 01:54:53.760 --> 01:54:58.479 had a front row seat to some just marvelous moments 2361 01:54:58.520 --> 01:55:02.840 in a franchise and the history of Carl and John, Larry, 2362 01:55:03.600 --> 01:55:06.840 Gail and now Ryan and Ashley. But man, think it 2363 01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:10.039 the game, I mean Stockton to Malone. I don't know 2364 01:55:10.079 --> 01:55:15.279 how many times he said it, hot Rod, I mean multiple, multiple, 2365 01:55:15.479 --> 01:55:18.800 thousands of times. That's why Stockton's the assist leader in 2366 01:55:18.880 --> 01:55:22.640 Malone's now what three in NBA scoring. I mean, those 2367 01:55:22.680 --> 01:55:26.800 guys were just so special. And you know, I envy 2368 01:55:26.880 --> 01:55:29.319 that hot rod. You know, had that combo for so 2369 01:55:29.359 --> 01:55:31.920 many years because it was almost like you dialed it 2370 01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:34.640 in every night. You could ride in twenty seven for Carl, 2371 01:55:35.159 --> 01:55:40.119 twelve assists, in seventeen for John. You'd see Jerry stop 2372 01:55:40.159 --> 01:55:42.760 in his feet and cussing at the officials. And it 2373 01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:46.880 was just basketball, hardcore, man. And Dan was able to 2374 01:55:46.920 --> 01:55:50.520 see that and witness a lot of history. And you 2375 01:55:50.560 --> 01:55:54.479 know what, I hope he has a great season where 2376 01:55:54.479 --> 01:55:58.119 he can enjoy himself and take the accolades that he deserves. 2377 01:55:58.600 --> 01:56:02.359 Yeah, no, I'm with you. I've just I don't know, man. 2378 01:56:02.439 --> 01:56:04.319 You know me, I date back to the South Palace 2379 01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:06.560 going to Jazz games when I was six, seven, eight 2380 01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:07.800 years old. I was there. 2381 01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:10.880 I got here in eighty five, man, so I was 2382 01:56:10.920 --> 01:56:14.279 only seventeen, you know. And your dad that's where I met. 2383 01:56:14.279 --> 01:56:16.560 You know, your dad was running the show, all right. 2384 01:56:16.680 --> 01:56:21.159 And and Dan is he is synonymous with jazz basketball. 2385 01:56:21.239 --> 01:56:24.079 He is a consistent threat in the tapestry of the 2386 01:56:24.159 --> 01:56:26.920 jazz where if you show up whether they're good, whether 2387 01:56:27.000 --> 01:56:29.760 they're bad, whether they're fun, whether they're boring. You know 2388 01:56:29.800 --> 01:56:31.960 that the PA guy is gonna be awesome with the intros. 2389 01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:34.239 You know you're gonna hear the and you're in the 2390 01:56:34.359 --> 01:56:36.720 Dan Roberts Deep Boys group in a way that it's 2391 01:56:36.800 --> 01:56:39.520 never you know. I mean, he drops it down a lot, 2392 01:56:39.640 --> 01:56:42.239 but he still has the pipes of pipes right. And 2393 01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:43.399 think about it too. 2394 01:56:43.439 --> 01:56:46.520 I mean in Chicago during the ninety seven and ninety 2395 01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:51.439 eight World Championships, or I should say NBA Championships, I 2396 01:56:51.479 --> 01:56:55.159 mean two iconic voices at both arenas, I mean Chicago, 2397 01:56:55.319 --> 01:56:58.319 my gosh and La Laker girls. 2398 01:56:58.720 --> 01:57:01.279 You've heard that of one thousand. Of course, that guy's 2399 01:57:01.319 --> 01:57:03.239 a little too monotone for me. I'm not gonna lie. 2400 01:57:03.319 --> 01:57:05.640 Yeah, I think his whole kind of plan of action 2401 01:57:05.840 --> 01:57:08.479 is just to kind of say this and let a 2402 01:57:08.560 --> 01:57:11.520 kind of rumble on everybody's And that's what the beauty 2403 01:57:11.560 --> 01:57:14.640 when I go around the league is that every every 2404 01:57:14.840 --> 01:57:16.760 PA announcer has their own style. 2405 01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:19.199 Some worst is Miami, I'm sorry. Some are hype down 2406 01:57:19.199 --> 01:57:19.760 of their heads. 2407 01:57:19.880 --> 01:57:22.279 Other ones do the kind of the long drawn out 2408 01:57:22.800 --> 01:57:25.640 Others drop their voice, other goes hi. You know, it's 2409 01:57:25.680 --> 01:57:28.760 just amazing how you know who, what style that particular 2410 01:57:28.800 --> 01:57:32.840 team takes. It'll be difficult man, to put a new body, 2411 01:57:32.880 --> 01:57:34.920 a new voice in the chair. Yeah, no, for sure. 2412 01:57:34.960 --> 01:57:39.000 And so I lived it. I mean, look, hot rod iconic. 2413 01:57:39.560 --> 01:57:41.119 You know, can't run from it. 2414 01:57:41.119 --> 01:57:41.880 It is what it is. 2415 01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:45.319 Yeah, And you know I always told my dad always said, look, man, 2416 01:57:45.439 --> 01:57:47.239 just go do your thing. And I think, you know, 2417 01:57:47.279 --> 01:57:49.159 that's the only advice I could give the next guy 2418 01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:50.720 is just go do it. 2419 01:57:50.920 --> 01:57:52.239 Yeah, and be yourself. 2420 01:57:52.319 --> 01:57:52.520 Yeah. 2421 01:57:52.600 --> 01:57:54.760 I wonder who it'll be. I wonder what it'll sound like. 2422 01:57:54.840 --> 01:57:57.199 It'll be really weird for those of us who have 2423 01:57:57.239 --> 01:58:00.600 been going to jazz games for over thirty years to 2424 01:58:00.640 --> 01:58:03.640 experience that without Dan Roberts. So Dan, if you're listening, 2425 01:58:03.680 --> 01:58:07.119 we love you and best of luck and a great butt. 2426 01:58:06.880 --> 01:58:09.960 Of run down on the line on X I still 2427 01:58:09.960 --> 01:58:12.880 say Twitter, but the jazz are a nice little minute 2428 01:58:12.920 --> 01:58:15.600 and a half kind of look back, Dan, I'd say, 2429 01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:18.199 if you're listening, man, your hair like, you know, that 2430 01:58:18.279 --> 01:58:19.840 was pretty boss back it was? 2431 01:58:20.039 --> 01:58:22.560 Did you see that? I'm you know what I'm bringing 2432 01:58:22.600 --> 01:58:25.279 back the term that's pretty boss. Yeah, i'marting that right now, 2433 01:58:25.359 --> 01:58:27.520 let's do it. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, No, it 2434 01:58:27.600 --> 01:58:30.720 was great, and you know, we'll certainly wish Dan the 2435 01:58:30.720 --> 01:58:35.319 best this year. I wonder, Craig you are you're a survivor, okay, 2436 01:58:35.399 --> 01:58:39.680 because you know Dan, He maybe Dan and Trave longest 2437 01:58:39.720 --> 01:58:43.880 tenured jazz guy, Trave, but you have seen so many 2438 01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:47.119 iterations of jazz basketball. What's it been like to watch this? 2439 01:58:47.520 --> 01:58:49.359 You know, this whole thing unfold. 2440 01:58:49.079 --> 01:58:52.319 What I've learned in this business, you know, being at 2441 01:58:52.399 --> 01:58:57.079 KSL when I came in in eighty five, young guy 2442 01:58:58.279 --> 01:59:01.720 got to know hot Rod immediately. The one of the 2443 01:59:01.720 --> 01:59:05.279 first shows ever on Sports Beach Sunday. 2444 01:59:05.159 --> 01:59:07.279 Sports Beat Sunday, what a pull. 2445 01:59:07.239 --> 01:59:11.600 It was was center Court with Larry H. Miller and 2446 01:59:11.640 --> 01:59:16.319 we wore hard hats and he recited verbatim yards of 2447 01:59:16.359 --> 01:59:19.920 concrete rebar that was inside Delta Center at the time. 2448 01:59:19.960 --> 01:59:22.119 And I just was in awe to be a part 2449 01:59:22.159 --> 01:59:23.159 of the early years. 2450 01:59:23.359 --> 01:59:26.439 You know, I was there for thirteen, took off, but 2451 01:59:26.600 --> 01:59:29.119 never kept my eye off what the Jazz were doing. 2452 01:59:29.640 --> 01:59:33.680 And then you know, the great Randy Rigby, who was 2453 01:59:33.720 --> 01:59:37.680 then president of the Jazz, hired me on with Denny Haslim, 2454 01:59:38.319 --> 01:59:41.600 and I've been grateful ever since. I mean, but I 2455 01:59:41.640 --> 01:59:44.760 followed this team since eighty five. It's been a roller coaster. 2456 01:59:45.960 --> 01:59:49.760 But that's what you expect in most cities, in most franchises, 2457 01:59:49.760 --> 01:59:51.960 there are highs and lows. There are some teams like 2458 01:59:52.039 --> 01:59:58.159 Boston who has multiple, you know, championship banners hanging from 2459 01:59:58.199 --> 02:00:01.199 TD Garden, But you know, well, the Jazz have always 2460 02:00:01.199 --> 02:00:04.399 been competitive. I think that's the one thing Spence is 2461 02:00:04.439 --> 02:00:06.680 that the fan base is always known when they went 2462 02:00:06.720 --> 02:00:07.760 to a game, they were going. 2463 02:00:07.680 --> 02:00:08.640 To see basketball. 2464 02:00:09.720 --> 02:00:12.000 What I hope I see this year is Lebron on 2465 02:00:12.039 --> 02:00:14.560 the floor, not a night off. What I hope to 2466 02:00:14.600 --> 02:00:16.760 see this year is a d on the floor or 2467 02:00:16.840 --> 02:00:19.600 Booker on the floor. Not to use Salt Lake as 2468 02:00:19.640 --> 02:00:23.880 a stop gap, like, ah, you know what, I'm resting. No, 2469 02:00:24.880 --> 02:00:27.279 this is the NBA, you know what, And you come 2470 02:00:27.319 --> 02:00:31.279 and play and let the fans get their money's worth 2471 02:00:31.560 --> 02:00:34.920 and let these young players play against some of the 2472 02:00:34.960 --> 02:00:38.239 best who've ever played the game. And I think that's 2473 02:00:38.279 --> 02:00:40.800 the one thing what Malone and Stockton brought was they 2474 02:00:40.840 --> 02:00:44.119 said it's straight up. They went thirty eight and three 2475 02:00:44.640 --> 02:00:47.279 most of the times at Delta Center, man and fan 2476 02:00:47.680 --> 02:00:49.640 or the fans knew they came to watch a win 2477 02:00:50.159 --> 02:00:52.880 and every and Malone always told me, look, nobody believes 2478 02:00:52.880 --> 02:00:53.960 they can win in this building. 2479 02:00:54.399 --> 02:00:55.399 And you know what, he was right. 2480 02:00:56.399 --> 02:00:59.840 And now you went through d Will and Boozer, you 2481 02:01:00.159 --> 02:01:03.000 through Donovan and Rudy, and now you wait to see 2482 02:01:03.039 --> 02:01:07.720 what the next trio or duo will be to elevate 2483 02:01:07.800 --> 02:01:09.960 this fan base. I'm excited to see it. I hope 2484 02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:14.439 there's a pop with growth this year. That would be 2485 02:01:14.439 --> 02:01:18.079 the biggest surprise and probably fuel some interest again with 2486 02:01:18.159 --> 02:01:21.760 this franchise because there's young, young, young, young talent. But 2487 02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:25.600 who's gonna pop Keyante, Taylor Hendricks, Who's gonna be Is 2488 02:01:25.600 --> 02:01:29.119 it gonna be Philipowski? I mean it's it's gonna be interesting. 2489 02:01:29.439 --> 02:01:31.239 So let's move over to that real quick. We'll end 2490 02:01:31.279 --> 02:01:32.840 with a little bit more football. By the way, some 2491 02:01:32.880 --> 02:01:36.600 breaking news just came down. Christian McCaffrey is out two 2492 02:01:36.720 --> 02:01:39.880 and the Niners are considering putting him on the injured reserve. 2493 02:01:40.399 --> 02:01:43.159 So that just barely came down. Of talent, Oh my goodness, 2494 02:01:43.479 --> 02:01:45.960 love watching him play, yeah for sure, So real quick, 2495 02:01:46.119 --> 02:01:47.600 let's do a little more jazz than We'll end with 2496 02:01:47.600 --> 02:01:52.119 some football Vegas over underwins this year, We'll just go 2497 02:01:52.119 --> 02:01:56.000 an order in the West Thunder one Timberwolves, two Nuggets, 2498 02:01:56.039 --> 02:02:03.279 three Mavericks for Grizzlies, five Sons, Kings, seven Pelicans, eight Rockets, 2499 02:02:03.359 --> 02:02:08.680 nine Lakers, ten Warriors, twelve Clippers, thirteen Spurs, fourteen Jazz 2500 02:02:08.720 --> 02:02:10.359 fifteen over under. 2501 02:02:10.600 --> 02:02:12.920 Right now is twenty nine point five? Did you just 2502 02:02:13.039 --> 02:02:18.239 read four teams that have some packed punch but that 2503 02:02:18.279 --> 02:02:19.399 won't make the playoffs? 2504 02:02:19.399 --> 02:02:21.960 They're going to be three or four really good teams, 2505 02:02:22.039 --> 02:02:25.119 veteran teams. Look players like Stephen Curry and James Harden 2506 02:02:25.119 --> 02:02:27.119 and Lebron James fighting for their playoff live. 2507 02:02:27.279 --> 02:02:30.079 Let me talk real quick about four teams. Clippers come 2508 02:02:30.119 --> 02:02:34.560 to mind first, because now in Philly is Paul George 2509 02:02:34.760 --> 02:02:39.119 Kawhi Leonard is so oft injured? I'm not sure, and 2510 02:02:39.159 --> 02:02:42.279 I think that probably is a fair assessment of where 2511 02:02:42.279 --> 02:02:49.159 they will be. Clay to Dallas is intriguing. What's he 2512 02:02:49.239 --> 02:02:50.479 got left? And how does he fit? 2513 02:02:50.840 --> 02:02:50.960 All? 2514 02:02:51.039 --> 02:02:53.680 Right? Dallas is good, but we'll see. 2515 02:02:55.680 --> 02:02:57.760 What do you think of Giddy going to Chicago and 2516 02:02:57.840 --> 02:02:59.359 Caruso coming to ok See? 2517 02:02:59.359 --> 02:03:02.439 I like it for too. Yeah, I mean Giddy couldn't 2518 02:03:02.439 --> 02:03:03.960 play in the playoffs because he doesn't guard, and he 2519 02:03:04.000 --> 02:03:07.439 can't shoot. His three ball just kind of disappeared. What 2520 02:03:07.479 --> 02:03:09.520 does Crusoe do? He guards in his guards and that's 2521 02:03:09.560 --> 02:03:13.439 a beautiful thing Westbrook, Denver. That could be a disruptor 2522 02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:19.800 for me. Entavious called will Pope. You know, you lose 2523 02:03:19.800 --> 02:03:22.439 something if you're Denver. Yeah, it's not irreplaceable. But here's 2524 02:03:22.479 --> 02:03:25.920 why this is bad news. Craig Okay, as I'm reading 2525 02:03:25.920 --> 02:03:30.840 this off, thunder youth Timberwolves aunts a kid. Yeah, now 2526 02:03:30.800 --> 02:03:33.880 I'll get still young Mavericks. You know, Lucas in his 2527 02:03:33.920 --> 02:03:37.199 mid twenties. Joh comes back from Memphis. That's intriguing. I 2528 02:03:37.279 --> 02:03:41.680 want to see that Sacramento Okay, young team, Pelicans, young team, Rockets, 2529 02:03:41.760 --> 02:03:45.960 young team Okay. So I just listed eight young teams 2530 02:03:46.439 --> 02:03:50.439 because during the Donovan and Rudy era, the walkie line 2531 02:03:50.560 --> 02:03:53.560 was always okay, when the Warriors go away, when the 2532 02:03:53.640 --> 02:03:55.960 Lakers go away, when the Suns go away, when the 2533 02:03:55.960 --> 02:03:59.399 Clippers go away, We'll be there. Guess what those teams 2534 02:03:59.439 --> 02:04:02.439 are about to go away. So now your clock has reset. 2535 02:04:02.880 --> 02:04:05.520 So now we're going to say hey when okase's not 2536 02:04:05.560 --> 02:04:09.279 going anywhere for a long time. So the problem is 2537 02:04:09.439 --> 02:04:11.560 the teams that you were waiting to go away so 2538 02:04:11.600 --> 02:04:14.920 you could jump in and the windows are so small. 2539 02:04:15.560 --> 02:04:18.159 But when that window manifested, if you had the group 2540 02:04:18.159 --> 02:04:20.079 that you thought you had with Donovan and Rudy and 2541 02:04:20.159 --> 02:04:24.319 Quinn and Dennis and all, I will always maintain there's 2542 02:04:24.359 --> 02:04:27.039 a world to keep them together. I know that most 2543 02:04:27.039 --> 02:04:29.560 people over there said they had hit their ceiling. Here's 2544 02:04:29.600 --> 02:04:32.319 what just guts you go. Baron Mitchell are still in 2545 02:04:32.319 --> 02:04:34.279 their prime. A lot of the players that you sent 2546 02:04:34.279 --> 02:04:36.720 off can still play, Like you know, Royce got a 2547 02:04:36.760 --> 02:04:39.319 deal in Phoenix. There's a world where you could have 2548 02:04:39.399 --> 02:04:42.439 kept that team together. And the problem is the group 2549 02:04:42.479 --> 02:04:45.279 that built that team was waiting for this moment, and 2550 02:04:45.319 --> 02:04:48.079 now that moment is gone. And so the Jazz are 2551 02:04:48.319 --> 02:04:50.239 in an area where there's only one other team in 2552 02:04:50.239 --> 02:04:52.000 the West that's with them, and that's Portland and they're 2553 02:04:52.000 --> 02:04:55.600 both not good. And now when's the window. The eight 2554 02:04:55.640 --> 02:04:58.079 teams I just referenced in front of you are better 2555 02:04:58.159 --> 02:05:00.840 and just as young as you are, but they're more 2556 02:05:00.880 --> 02:05:03.159 advanced in the rebuild. It's just I don't know what 2557 02:05:03.159 --> 02:05:03.560 to make of it. 2558 02:05:03.640 --> 02:05:03.720 Man. 2559 02:05:03.760 --> 02:05:06.079 I don't think it's great news, No, it's it's difficult. 2560 02:05:06.359 --> 02:05:08.119 I mean when you really break it down in the 2561 02:05:08.279 --> 02:05:11.560 in that regard, you know Donovan, Now when I we 2562 02:05:11.680 --> 02:05:14.279 talked about this a month ago, three weeks ago, when 2563 02:05:14.279 --> 02:05:17.640 Donovan came out on a podcast who said he thought, 2564 02:05:17.920 --> 02:05:19.720 you know, the Jazz had a few more years left 2565 02:05:19.720 --> 02:05:20.520 with that group. 2566 02:05:20.720 --> 02:05:23.479 Well, why don't you speak up then? Yeah? Right, give 2567 02:05:23.520 --> 02:05:24.560 me a break with that, by the way. 2568 02:05:24.560 --> 02:05:26.319 I mean, you know, I don't know what kind of 2569 02:05:27.239 --> 02:05:29.880 you know, is the ironing over some hard feelings or 2570 02:05:29.920 --> 02:05:33.079 what have you, but you know, from all indications, it 2571 02:05:33.119 --> 02:05:36.800 did implode after uh, you know, having the best record 2572 02:05:36.840 --> 02:05:39.199 in the NBA and playing in the bubble. I mean, 2573 02:05:39.239 --> 02:05:41.680 there were marvelous times there. Joe Ingles was a special 2574 02:05:41.680 --> 02:05:44.119 guy coming off the bench and just had a personality 2575 02:05:44.520 --> 02:05:46.560 that you know, still in the league, Yes, still in 2576 02:05:46.600 --> 02:05:50.039 the league, Mike Conley, really, Agdanovich. 2577 02:05:49.960 --> 02:05:51.680 The whole group still in the league. Still in the league. 2578 02:05:52.039 --> 02:05:54.520 Ni Kiel, Alexander Walker, still in the league. I couldn't 2579 02:05:54.520 --> 02:05:56.760 get off the bench. And he's playing right and playing well. 2580 02:05:57.000 --> 02:06:01.000 So I mean it's it's really odd when and if 2581 02:06:01.000 --> 02:06:03.119 you want to say that the voice of Quinn Snyder 2582 02:06:03.399 --> 02:06:06.560 had been lost and Quinn, you know, I've talked to 2583 02:06:06.640 --> 02:06:09.720 Quinn and you know, he plays it the way it 2584 02:06:09.760 --> 02:06:12.640 should be, but you know, knowing him, I think there 2585 02:06:12.680 --> 02:06:15.159 was frustration. I don't think he could mend the fence 2586 02:06:16.039 --> 02:06:19.760 of the two players is two superstars, and then money 2587 02:06:19.760 --> 02:06:23.880 comes into play and people getting players' ears and they 2588 02:06:23.920 --> 02:06:26.399 start to tell him. You know, look, you know the 2589 02:06:26.439 --> 02:06:28.880 grass is greener on the other side. I've told you 2590 02:06:28.920 --> 02:06:32.199 this a thousand times on this show that players like 2591 02:06:33.560 --> 02:06:38.239 d Will and Booze and even even Hayward have come 2592 02:06:38.359 --> 02:06:40.760 and talked to me and said, man should never have left. 2593 02:06:41.479 --> 02:06:44.039 And it's it kind of makes you just stand back. 2594 02:06:44.600 --> 02:06:46.760 And you know it happens in other cities, I'm sure, 2595 02:06:47.319 --> 02:06:50.600 but Utah's teams to get just the spotlight hits because 2596 02:06:50.640 --> 02:06:53.840 it's Utah and this you know, the comments have been said, 2597 02:06:53.840 --> 02:06:56.000 I want to play in Utah. You know it's too white, 2598 02:06:56.159 --> 02:06:58.920 whatever it may be. There's no night life. Hey man, 2599 02:06:59.279 --> 02:06:59.760 that's over. 2600 02:07:00.119 --> 02:07:00.359 Get it. 2601 02:07:00.399 --> 02:07:03.960 Olympics coming back here, NHL team. I mean, this city's 2602 02:07:04.000 --> 02:07:06.720 grown and busting by the seams. You can do anything 2603 02:07:06.760 --> 02:07:10.479 you want here. I don't buy it. And I think 2604 02:07:10.520 --> 02:07:12.880 that's where the league and hopefully the players start to 2605 02:07:12.960 --> 02:07:17.640 understand that more and more. But it comes back Spence 2606 02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:23.159 to who is your centerpiece that can entice those players 2607 02:07:23.239 --> 02:07:25.880 to come here and of the group. Over the last 2608 02:07:25.880 --> 02:07:29.279 two summers, the Jazz have drafted who breaks it open 2609 02:07:30.159 --> 02:07:33.319 or does Danny have to say thank you? No, move 2610 02:07:33.399 --> 02:07:36.439 him on, move him out, stay with him. I think 2611 02:07:36.439 --> 02:07:40.279 it's an incredible important season for Kessler. I think it's 2612 02:07:40.319 --> 02:07:45.960 an important season for Kiante and the evaluation process. Year 2613 02:07:46.039 --> 02:07:49.079 three for Walker is important. Year two you want to 2614 02:07:49.079 --> 02:07:52.479 see a jump, especially if you're running the show, and 2615 02:07:52.800 --> 02:07:56.039 I think that's really important for fans to follow and 2616 02:07:56.159 --> 02:08:00.720 understand that, yes they're young, but really highlight talent that 2617 02:08:00.760 --> 02:08:03.840 are top ten picks. You know they should. Taylor Hendrix 2618 02:08:03.920 --> 02:08:06.600 is another big year for him to bust open. And 2619 02:08:06.600 --> 02:08:08.840 if they do, you know what, there may be some 2620 02:08:08.880 --> 02:08:12.560 surprise talk around the league and maybe the Jazz makes 2621 02:08:12.560 --> 02:08:14.960 some noise, but a lot of fans don't want them to. 2622 02:08:15.920 --> 02:08:18.520 But I don't trust, not the sense of the NBA. 2623 02:08:18.760 --> 02:08:21.680 But I wouldn't put all my marbles into the into 2624 02:08:22.000 --> 02:08:25.960 lottery night. I mean, look where the Jazz fell, right 2625 02:08:26.960 --> 02:08:30.000 just three months ago after they played and they went 2626 02:08:30.119 --> 02:08:33.079 what we only won three games after the All Star 2627 02:08:33.159 --> 02:08:35.279 Break close to that so they could keep the pick. 2628 02:08:35.359 --> 02:08:36.680 Yeah, and they lost the pick. 2629 02:08:37.520 --> 02:08:41.199 So you know, I don't think there's any guarantees, and 2630 02:08:41.479 --> 02:08:43.800 you have to find some luck along the way, and 2631 02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:46.960 the Jazz are desperately in the market for some luck. 2632 02:08:47.239 --> 02:08:49.720 They had it with Stock and Malone. They actually found 2633 02:08:49.720 --> 02:08:53.720 out with Gobert and Donovan. What's the next phase for 2634 02:08:53.800 --> 02:08:57.159 the Jazz. I like Will Hardy, but he's in his 2635 02:08:57.239 --> 02:09:00.279 third to five years. You know what, coaches get a 2636 02:09:00.359 --> 02:09:03.560 Lancey too because they think about their careers. He's thirty six. 2637 02:09:04.560 --> 02:09:07.800 I mean, it's amazing. So this season I think again, 2638 02:09:08.039 --> 02:09:13.119 evaluate young players multiple minutes, different combinations to see what 2639 02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:15.880 works and what doesn't, and you may get a surprise 2640 02:09:15.960 --> 02:09:19.439 or too. Philipowski is intriguing to me because he's six eleven, 2641 02:09:19.640 --> 02:09:22.560 big faces the basket, seems to be comfortable with the 2642 02:09:22.560 --> 02:09:25.319 ball in his Handspence and you know he may pressure 2643 02:09:25.319 --> 02:09:27.439 a Walker and that's a good thing. But you could 2644 02:09:27.479 --> 02:09:30.199 be at one big front line. You think about Market 2645 02:09:30.199 --> 02:09:35.600 and Kessler, and if you play Philipowski at the three 2646 02:09:35.960 --> 02:09:38.159 or the four, I mean, it's gonna be interesting. I 2647 02:09:38.159 --> 02:09:40.079 mean that'd be one hell of a front line, and 2648 02:09:40.159 --> 02:09:44.079 then how do you manage Collins and JC in the rotation? 2649 02:09:45.800 --> 02:09:48.520 Craig, good luck. I'm a call this here, buddy. I'm 2650 02:09:48.560 --> 02:09:51.960 glad I got tea. I just I can't wait to hear 2651 02:09:51.960 --> 02:09:54.960 the lock numbers on the Drew You banks Patty Mills 2652 02:09:55.000 --> 02:09:57.560 pick and roll? Yeah, five times in the third quarter. 2653 02:09:57.760 --> 02:10:00.119 It doesn't mean anything, David. You know what, Patty, I 2654 02:10:00.199 --> 02:10:00.960 want to get to know him. 2655 02:10:00.960 --> 02:10:03.359 I've always been impressed with his play, and he's been 2656 02:10:03.399 --> 02:10:05.800 around forever. But I think, you know what, he probably 2657 02:10:05.800 --> 02:10:08.399 is going to be more of a coach for the 2658 02:10:08.439 --> 02:10:11.640 younger guys and maybe get spot minutes on occasion, but 2659 02:10:11.760 --> 02:10:13.439 I don't see him on the floor that much. 2660 02:10:13.479 --> 02:10:16.119 I've got an insider tip for you on Patty Mills. Yeah, okay, 2661 02:10:16.239 --> 02:10:19.079 you can ask a question when you meet him. So 2662 02:10:19.199 --> 02:10:22.359 about let's see, Well, I'll tell you exactly what it 2663 02:10:22.399 --> 02:10:25.159 was about seven years ago. I had a little life interruption. 2664 02:10:25.640 --> 02:10:27.720 Yes I do remember that. Yes, So I went to 2665 02:10:27.760 --> 02:10:31.520 the north shore of a Wahoo and stayed there. I'm like, 2666 02:10:31.560 --> 02:10:34.680 I don't think I'll ever come back. And as there's 2667 02:10:34.680 --> 02:10:37.279 this place called Leylas that's on the golf course. They 2668 02:10:37.279 --> 02:10:40.399 have the best ribs. It is awesome and the owner 2669 02:10:41.399 --> 02:10:46.159 is a huge sports fan. And Patty Mills every year 2670 02:10:46.359 --> 02:10:49.000 goes over there and goes deep sea fishing with the 2671 02:10:49.000 --> 02:10:51.039 owner of Leylas and he has a place on the 2672 02:10:51.079 --> 02:10:53.039 north Shore. I went over there one night to get 2673 02:10:53.079 --> 02:10:56.159 dinner and suddenly walks out Patty Mills. My man was 2674 02:10:56.199 --> 02:10:59.000 having a good time. A man was having it. It 2675 02:10:59.039 --> 02:11:01.359 was the off season, right right, and I think he 2676 02:11:01.399 --> 02:11:03.199 had just come off of good year with San Antonio. 2677 02:11:03.359 --> 02:11:05.680 Ask him about the north Shore, asking about Leles. Okay, 2678 02:11:05.680 --> 02:11:07.119 there's your end if you get a chance in it, 2679 02:11:07.239 --> 02:11:10.039 Layley's I'll remember that in ribs. Yeah, all the ribs, 2680 02:11:10.079 --> 02:11:13.640 the mashed potatoes, the coconut Trent. Leayles is where it's at. Yeah. 2681 02:11:13.680 --> 02:11:15.760 I'm anxious to see him, meet him, Drew you Banks. 2682 02:11:15.800 --> 02:11:18.359 I've chatted with him a couple of times in during 2683 02:11:18.399 --> 02:11:20.399 his career. Where does he fit in? 2684 02:11:20.520 --> 02:11:21.199 I don't know. 2685 02:11:21.479 --> 02:11:24.880 It's it's depth three point shooting maybe you know, and 2686 02:11:25.920 --> 02:11:28.720 I just don't know. It's it's one of those years 2687 02:11:28.800 --> 02:11:32.239 where I'm so anxious for camp to hit open court. 2688 02:11:32.359 --> 02:11:35.399 A lot of guys are in town. You know. 2689 02:11:35.520 --> 02:11:39.119 Media content Day is I think a week from next Monday, Spence, 2690 02:11:39.760 --> 02:11:42.600 and so we're coming up on it, and you know, 2691 02:11:42.680 --> 02:11:44.920 the answers or some of the questions. We probably will 2692 02:11:44.920 --> 02:11:47.479 get some answers, not all of them. But I'm anxious 2693 02:11:47.479 --> 02:11:51.800 for rotation. I want to see what will Danny Justin 2694 02:11:51.880 --> 02:11:55.239 have in mind on the minutes played by this group 2695 02:11:55.720 --> 02:11:57.239 of young, young, young players. 2696 02:11:57.279 --> 02:12:00.279 Here's what you got. You got lowry marketing. Yeah, and 2697 02:12:00.319 --> 02:12:02.760 he is awesome. He is Okay, so he's box office. 2698 02:12:02.760 --> 02:12:05.920 He's worth the price of admission. The rest of the roster, 2699 02:12:06.159 --> 02:12:09.079 I don't know. We'll see Craig before I set you loose. 2700 02:12:09.720 --> 02:12:12.479 God speed, my friend. The PAC twelve. You want to 2701 02:12:12.520 --> 02:12:13.880 you want to come in and hang one night or 2702 02:12:13.920 --> 02:12:15.319 two with T and I. I have a feeling you're 2703 02:12:15.319 --> 02:12:17.520 gonna have to send that up the ladder. Okay, yeah 2704 02:12:17.520 --> 02:12:19.800 I will. Yeah, maybe travel give me a call. You 2705 02:12:19.880 --> 02:12:23.039 might get a few hard no's over there. The PAC 2706 02:12:23.119 --> 02:12:25.560 twelve is back, question mark, Okay, before I set you loose. 2707 02:12:26.079 --> 02:12:30.920 Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, I'm missing Colorado State, 2708 02:12:31.159 --> 02:12:33.439 invited to join, Washington State and Oregon State. A lot 2709 02:12:33.479 --> 02:12:36.600 of state schools. Uh, they need two more calling for 2710 02:12:36.600 --> 02:12:39.000 our guys up in logan. Although all my college football 2711 02:12:39.000 --> 02:12:40.720 guests don't believe Utah State is going to get that 2712 02:12:40.760 --> 02:12:43.079 phone call? What do you make of the Pac twelve 2713 02:12:43.319 --> 02:12:46.680 shuffling and suddenly coming back into our consciousness far before 2714 02:12:46.720 --> 02:12:48.119 anybody thought it would go down? Before? 2715 02:12:48.800 --> 02:12:52.479 I tell you Spence, honestly, I thought the death nail 2716 02:12:52.560 --> 02:12:56.079 had been, you know, hit and never to be heard 2717 02:12:56.079 --> 02:12:58.760 from again. The big deal was divving it up PAC 2718 02:12:58.840 --> 02:13:03.039 twelve money and the that was the biggest conversation was lawsuits. 2719 02:13:03.600 --> 02:13:05.760 Who gets what, who belongs where? 2720 02:13:06.199 --> 02:13:08.720 You know what? There's always a way right and here's 2721 02:13:08.720 --> 02:13:09.079 the deal. 2722 02:13:10.319 --> 02:13:13.920 You toss State ought to listen to it because you 2723 02:13:13.960 --> 02:13:16.880 know you want survival. And I don't want to see 2724 02:13:16.920 --> 02:13:20.479 a small state school go under because what they do 2725 02:13:20.560 --> 02:13:23.279 when they go play and get their tails beat down 2726 02:13:23.800 --> 02:13:26.640 in weeks one, two, and three. In most cases not 2727 02:13:26.720 --> 02:13:29.239 all boys states had a good football program for a 2728 02:13:29.279 --> 02:13:32.880 long time. But you still get a payday. How much 2729 02:13:32.960 --> 02:13:38.000 did Notre Dame pay to get beat one hundred and 2730 02:13:38.159 --> 02:13:40.479 one point five million, Yeah, it was just under two 2731 02:13:40.640 --> 02:13:42.359 I think it was just undred two million. Now you 2732 02:13:42.399 --> 02:13:45.159 think about that, most teams it's a five hundred thousand 2733 02:13:45.239 --> 02:13:48.199 to seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars pay day to 2734 02:13:48.279 --> 02:13:52.119 go to the big school to be practiced on. And 2735 02:13:52.159 --> 02:13:54.920 what it does it lets the rest of your athletic 2736 02:13:55.000 --> 02:13:58.479 program survive. And that's what is so important, is that 2737 02:13:58.520 --> 02:14:02.399 the football money held with softball, volleyball and everything else. 2738 02:14:02.960 --> 02:14:04.960 Now if you get into a conference, but the deal, 2739 02:14:05.159 --> 02:14:08.399 SPAN's what television network is interested. 2740 02:14:08.600 --> 02:14:11.760 Right now, the CWS, the Mountain West. I mean, I 2741 02:14:11.760 --> 02:14:14.359 don't know who would want this, this rebranded Pac twelve. 2742 02:14:14.359 --> 02:14:18.640 It's all of the TV deals were taken. The Big 2743 02:14:18.680 --> 02:14:20.600 twelve got the last one, right, so I don't know 2744 02:14:20.600 --> 02:14:22.840 who's coming call the one the one option. 2745 02:14:22.960 --> 02:14:26.039 The one plus is is that you still have the 2746 02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:29.920 late night window, the late one. I used to call 2747 02:14:29.960 --> 02:14:35.960 those all the time, Big Monday basketball, ten o'clock midnight Eastern. 2748 02:14:36.479 --> 02:14:40.359 I did an open on a couch and logan with 2749 02:14:40.479 --> 02:14:46.359 the Aggies and UNLV Yeah, stew and a tart and 2750 02:14:46.439 --> 02:14:49.039 it was a big game on ESPN, Jimmy Dyke, save Hella, 2751 02:14:49.039 --> 02:14:51.319 Hey but NOA and we had a blast. But it 2752 02:14:51.359 --> 02:14:54.399 was so late everybody's in pajamas. But my point is 2753 02:14:54.439 --> 02:15:00.439 that there's windows that become unfilled at times, and a 2754 02:15:00.439 --> 02:15:02.640 lot of teams like Utah. Do they want to play 2755 02:15:02.680 --> 02:15:05.560 at eight thirty or eight o'clock or ten o'clock Eastern? No, 2756 02:15:06.960 --> 02:15:09.640 But you know those teams may say, Okay, I get it, 2757 02:15:09.640 --> 02:15:14.399 it's nine o'clock on the West coast, but it's midnight eastern. 2758 02:15:14.960 --> 02:15:18.920 Some you know, there may be somebody out there now. 2759 02:15:18.920 --> 02:15:21.359 The money won't be great, no, but may be enough 2760 02:15:22.279 --> 02:15:24.399 to resurrect the BAC twelve. 2761 02:15:24.560 --> 02:15:26.119 Great to see my friends, Great to see him. To 2762 02:15:26.159 --> 02:15:27.560 see you next week? Well you bet all right. The 2763 02:15:27.560 --> 02:15:29.319 Great Craig Bowler Jack brought to you by Big od 2764 02:15:29.359 --> 02:15:32.039 Tires Healthy Car Special for only fifty nine to ninety five. 2765 02:15:32.199 --> 02:15:34.199 Is it Big o'tires dot com to find a location 2766 02:15:34.279 --> 02:15:35.239 near you