Speaker 1: All right, what's going on? It is drivetime. It's a
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon. It's about eleven minutes past the hour of
Speaker 1: two o'clock. Man, what a beautiful day. Fall is kind
Speaker 1: of creeping towards us. It's pretty chilly yesterday. It's a
Speaker 1: little warm, but man, it feels crazy. It's about seventy
Speaker 1: eight to eighty degrees sunny here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah.
Speaker 1: And as it is every single day, it's gonna have
Speaker 1: you along for the ride. Fence check. It's behind the
Speaker 1: mic back here in our beautiful Broadway media studios, our
Speaker 1: ESPN seven hundred studios riding downtown Salt Lake. That young
Speaker 1: man is Porter Larson producing the show today. And we
Speaker 1: are absolutely cam path to say it every day. But
Speaker 1: a Friday before a big weekend ahead in pro and
Speaker 1: college football, with a ton to do, we get a
Speaker 1: game tonight on Fox. It's the debut of the Fox
Speaker 1: Friday Night College Football. Two really good Big twelve teams.
Speaker 1: It's not a conference game. Keep hearing people say that
Speaker 1: it is. It's just like Utah Baylor. A week ago.
Speaker 1: Arizona Case State had previously agreed to this matchup in
Speaker 1: Manhattan Kansas. K State is a healthy seven point favorite.
Speaker 1: The over under is sixty point five. Two really good
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going at it. So little college football tonight to
Speaker 1: wet your appetite for a big weekend ahead. That of
Speaker 1: course includes Utah Utah State up in Maverick Stadium for
Speaker 1: the first time in over a decade. Twelve years ago,
Speaker 1: Utah went up the logan. They got got they lost
Speaker 1: to the Aggies. We'll see if Utah can handle their business.
Speaker 1: The line has moved once again Ford Utah State. Now
Speaker 1: Utah is still an eighteen point favorite, so a healthy
Speaker 1: favorite Utah is. We're gonna give you our picks later
Speaker 1: on in the show, and we went five and one
Speaker 1: last weekends. We went five and one against the spread.
Speaker 1: I looked it up. Last year we finished twenty six
Speaker 1: and twenty four, barely above five hundred. So hopefully we
Speaker 1: can keep it rolling, give you our picks for the
Speaker 1: local games, and also jump around a little bit around
Speaker 1: the landscape of college football. Or two Arizona k State,
Speaker 1: you get a little UNLV Kansas that's in Kansas City
Speaker 1: at Children's Mercy Park. Kansas is a nine point favorite.
Speaker 1: They're trying to bounce back after a loss last weekends
Speaker 1: at Illinois, Arizona State barely escaped last night. Texas State's
Speaker 1: a good team, man, they were actually a favorite, but
Speaker 1: Arizona State is now three to zero as they win
Speaker 1: a road game against Texas State. So Big twelve off
Speaker 1: in a run. We do get our first Big twelve
Speaker 1: conference matchup this weekend, so conference matchups are now going
Speaker 1: to become a reality. The conference matchup this week is
Speaker 1: UCFTCU that should be a good one.
Speaker 2: M and G.
Speaker 1: Carter Stadium down in Fort Worth, and of course BYU
Speaker 1: on the road at war Memorial Stadium against Laramine. This
Speaker 1: line has also moved, and it's also moved the way
Speaker 1: of the home team. Wyoming is now a ten point underdog.
Speaker 1: BYU's a ten point favorite. Over under is forty point
Speaker 1: five lowsed over under if any Big twelve team all
Speaker 1: weekend long. Obviously, BYU's offense has not looked great just yet,
Speaker 1: so get you ready for a big weekend ahead. In
Speaker 1: the landscape college football, local National, Big twelve Style, latest
Speaker 1: on the PAC twelve back question mark, what does it
Speaker 1: mean for Utah States? What does it mean for the
Speaker 1: future of college football? We'll get some of those storylines
Speaker 1: on the program today, Thursday Night Football. You heard it
Speaker 1: on this little old radio station ESPN seven hundred. Buffalo
Speaker 1: trounced Miami. The Bills are now eleven and one in
Speaker 1: their last twelve games against the Dolphins. Big story though,
Speaker 1: Hua Tonguava Loa with his fourth concussion in the last
Speaker 1: five years. That includes one all the way back in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen at Alabama, and you know, the hands started
Speaker 1: doing the fencing thing. I hate it. It's my most
Speaker 1: un favorite thing about football when you see somebody on
Speaker 1: the ground like that and they've lost control of their extremities.
Speaker 1: A lot of conversation today today about what he should do.
Speaker 1: It's not my place to tell that, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: look great. And if you're Miami, not like this is
Speaker 1: the most important thing. I thought. Mike McDaniel today addressed
Speaker 1: it beautifully. Everyone's talking about should he keep playing football?
Speaker 1: My man's got to make sure he's healthy before he
Speaker 1: decides what he's gonna do. But their backup situation, Skyler Thompson,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna get it done. So I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if Miami's on the market now for a veteran quarterback,
Speaker 1: because it looks like two is going to be out
Speaker 1: for quite some time. I say it every year, Man,
Speaker 1: we get spoiled on Sundays with the morning windows and
Speaker 1: the afternoon windows on the Red Zone channel where there's
Speaker 1: seven or eight games going on at once in the morning,
Speaker 1: maybe three or four or five in the afternoons, then
Speaker 1: the Island games. All you want is a good game.
Speaker 1: That game was over at halftime. It may have been
Speaker 1: over earlier than that. Buffalo is really good. Cole Bishop
Speaker 1: making plays last night in the secondary some local flavor
Speaker 1: on Thursday Night Football Dot and King KD four catches
Speaker 1: thirty three yards or Buffalo. So Week two of the
Speaker 1: NFL underway last night. We have a lot of really
Speaker 1: good matchups. Man, excited for Week two of the NFL.
Speaker 1: We'll keep you up to date on the injuries for
Speaker 1: you fantasy football players, and maybe include some NFL games
Speaker 1: with our pickham segment before we say good out at
Speaker 1: six o'clock. The Utah Hockey Club their rookie exhibition game
Speaker 1: will take place tomorrow as camp has started and we're
Speaker 1: high speed ahead of the first regular season game coming
Speaker 1: up on October the eighth, So we'll get to some
Speaker 1: hockey stuff throughout the course of the show and keep
Speaker 1: you up to date on all the latest happenings around
Speaker 1: the Utah Hockey Club, including some very excited hockey club
Speaker 1: beat riders. About these sweaters, it's getting kind of odd.
Speaker 1: They're fine, but we've got a young man who works
Speaker 1: for KSEL that can't stop tweeting about how clean the
Speaker 1: sweaters look. It's getting a little bit weird. But hockey
Speaker 1: is here excited for that. Of course. On the program today,
Speaker 1: all right, good guests, listen. We'll start things off with
Speaker 1: Rojoe Robert Johnson Warmber, defensive back from the University of Utah.
Speaker 1: We'll get Rojo's take on I'll maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: of a tricky game coming up tomorrow up in Logan.
Speaker 1: We'll talk you tough football, Brojo, Max Brown, one of
Speaker 1: my favorites to break it down with college football style.
Speaker 1: He'll stop by do a little golf. The Black Desert
Speaker 1: Championship is on its way to Saint George, Utah. Paul
Speaker 1: Pugmyer stops by today. Then a big show, big hour.
Speaker 1: Greig Bulerjack live and studio. Gordon Monson over the phone,
Speaker 1: not sure what his excuse is, and then before we
Speaker 1: say a night at six, we'll give you our pick
Speaker 1: them segment, a six pack of picks for you guys
Speaker 1: to decide what to do with. I always tell you
Speaker 1: not to gamble on sports, but you know we'll give
Speaker 1: you some games today on this Friday after excuse me,
Speaker 1: on this Friday afternoon, Happy Friday to you. Congratulations you
Speaker 1: made it his weekend time. Robert Johnson, Max Brown, Paul Pugmyer,
Speaker 1: Craig Bowler, Jack Gordon Montson, he Spence Check. Its all
Speaker 1: of you, the great listeners, and that guy Porter Larson
Speaker 1: on a Thursday afternoon. Have you ever been concussed?
Speaker 3: To your knowledge, I actually have too much experience with
Speaker 3: the two of stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you have any because you it's not just you
Speaker 1: you're a football player, but you also like to ride
Speaker 1: horses and do things that is not safe for your health. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've had a motorcycle accident that resulted in one a
Speaker 3: horse situation where I was, you know, hung up in
Speaker 3: the saddle and whatnot getting thrown around. And then both
Speaker 3: in football and in basketball I had a situations. So
Speaker 3: I've had four I think diagnosed in probably several others
Speaker 3: and then yeah, man, it's it's kind of a complicated
Speaker 3: little thing to traverse.
Speaker 1: Yeah man, that's I hate you watching it. It's my
Speaker 1: most favorite thing about watching football. That's been a big
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Speaker 1: into it. Rojo will be our first guest on this
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you some picks coming up in just
Speaker 1: a little bit, So let's jump around a little bit
Speaker 1: with some college football stuff here on this segment. It
Speaker 1: gets you guys ready for the weekend. Of course, for
Speaker 1: the first time in twelve years, Utah heads up to
Speaker 1: Logan to take on Utah State. All indications are under
Speaker 1: center will be one young Isaac Wilson at the age
Speaker 1: of eighteen, having enrolled in school to you in April,
Speaker 1: and Utah State is expected to start former Utah quarterback
Speaker 1: Bryson Barnes. So the line has moved a couple of
Speaker 1: different times here. As we sit here right now, Utah
Speaker 1: is an eighteen point favorite over under his forty three
Speaker 1: and a half. Kickoff time is going to be two thirty.
Speaker 1: Our pregame coverage with that guy Porter Larson will begin
Speaker 1: at ten to thirty coming up on Saturday, so make
Speaker 1: sure to set your calendars for that. You know, it's
Speaker 1: interesting there are a lot of like random rivalry games
Speaker 1: coming up this weekend. It's not necessarily rivalry weekend that
Speaker 1: takes place later, and I'm not saying Utah Utah State
Speaker 1: is necessarily that, but it is a little bit of
Speaker 1: a tricky game for a couple of different reasons. We
Speaker 1: just don't know what the offense is going to look
Speaker 1: like under Isaac Wilson. Utah State their head coach, Nate
Speaker 1: Driland's also their defensive coordinator, and so I would imagine schematically,
Speaker 1: and we talked to Yogi Roth about this yesterday that
Speaker 1: they will be sound and Utah State more often not
Speaker 1: is a sound defensive team. I think they ran into
Speaker 1: a national championship contender a week ago in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: with Southern Cal. With how they've been starting out, I
Speaker 1: don't really sweat this game when it comes to the
Speaker 1: Utah side of things. I don't love the line though,
Speaker 1: and we'll get to that coming up in just a
Speaker 1: little bit. So Utah trying to stay clean in the
Speaker 1: non con and try to stay healthy in the non
Speaker 1: con before we launch into Big twelve play with four
Speaker 1: really tough games right out of the gates at Oklahoma State,
Speaker 1: home against Arizona at Arizona State, who won last nightither
Speaker 1: three and zero, and then home against TCU. Really curious
Speaker 1: to see TCU UCF coming up this weekend. I do
Speaker 1: think those are two of the more under talked about
Speaker 1: Big twelve teams this year. So right out of the
Speaker 1: gates and the Big twelve, we are going to learn
Speaker 1: a lot about the utes. But prior to that, you
Speaker 1: got to take care of business. Don't get caught. Looking
Speaker 1: ahead to Okay State, I would imagine coach Wit and
Speaker 1: his staff have these kids ready to play and having
Speaker 1: them understand like, look, we're heading up there without our guy,
Speaker 1: without our alpha, without our leader, Camon Rising. This has
Speaker 1: to be a team effort. This has to be a
Speaker 1: team win. I do think they go up and handle
Speaker 1: their business. I don't love that line BYU heads to Laramie.
Speaker 1: Also with injury concerns of their own, they're without LJ.
Speaker 1: Martin and Hinckley Rapati, according to reports, are gonna be
Speaker 1: without their first two choice running backs. It does seem
Speaker 1: like to have a little depth in that room. That
Speaker 1: fourth and one, what was a thirty seven yard scamper.
Speaker 1: That was Miles Davis, so he'll be fine. There are
Speaker 1: a couple of other guys in that room. But that
Speaker 1: line has also moved the way towards Wyoming. Just like
Speaker 1: the line has moved towards Utah State, it's moved towards Wyoming.
Speaker 1: BYU is a ten point favorite as we sit here today.
Speaker 1: BYU has the lowest over under of any Big twelve
Speaker 1: team this weekend at forty point five. That offense has
Speaker 1: not been great. I kind of feel the same way
Speaker 1: about BYU this weekend as I do about Utah. I
Speaker 1: do think they win, I don't think they cover. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I love that line. I see kind of
Speaker 1: a low scoring, like seventeen to ten type situation for BYU,
Speaker 1: something like that. But we'll get to our picks later
Speaker 1: on real quick, before we catch a break. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to chime in on this news cycle concerning Tua
Speaker 1: Tongua Iloa last night Thursday Night football Tua. Unfortunately, you
Speaker 1: guys probably watched it. The NFL first week numbers, the
Speaker 1: average NFL game is being consumed by twenty one million
Speaker 1: people in our country, massive record breaking numbers. Also college football,
Speaker 1: massive record breaking numbers. I mean, our country's appetite for
Speaker 1: football is not a new thing, but it does not
Speaker 1: seem to be diminishing, regardless of the perceived issues on
Speaker 1: both the college and the pro level. Folks are consuming
Speaker 1: this sport at a very high level. So you were
Speaker 1: probably watching last night or maybe you were listening as
Speaker 1: we are your home with the NFL in this market
Speaker 1: to the Bills Dolphins game. The game itself was over
Speaker 1: prior to halftime. Basically, the Bills had a twenty four
Speaker 1: to ten lead at half, and Tua did not look
Speaker 1: good prior to the injury. He threw three picks, two
Speaker 1: of them really really bad. But in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: you know, y'all saw it. It was fourth down, he scrammed,
Speaker 1: he takes to hit Tomorrow. Hamlin, by the way, is
Speaker 1: the guy to hit him a little bit iron you there,
Speaker 1: and of course no ill intent, and then the handstart defence.
Speaker 1: He starts to shake a little bit. And I'm watching it,
Speaker 1: texting with some friends and some buddies of mine and
Speaker 1: my brothers who are watching it as well. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's really easy for people that have a microphone, are
Speaker 1: really easy for people who feel like they're courageous on
Speaker 1: the Internet, and the Internet and social media is where
Speaker 1: cowards go to feel brave to chime in on what
Speaker 1: Tua should do. Okay, So Ultimately, I do find this
Speaker 1: topic interesting as a result of my experience with professional athletes,
Speaker 1: both both working with them on the team side and
Speaker 1: then working with them on the media side. I've had
Speaker 1: a lot of ex pro athletes as co hosts and shows,
Speaker 1: whether it's pre Aff and Post or just my Daily
Speaker 1: And the fact of the matter is, and this is
Speaker 1: a little bit of a cliche, they are built different.
Speaker 1: That's why they're pros. They're built different, They're born different.
Speaker 1: There's a genetic component to ninety nine percent of pro
Speaker 1: athletes that that folks like us cannot relate to. If
Speaker 1: you're just built like a normal dude, I'm about five
Speaker 1: eleven point eighty, right, I'm just a guy. And then
Speaker 1: you know, for me growing up playing sports, whenever i'd
Speaker 1: run into a guy that was like a high level
Speaker 1: college guy or a pro guy, I'm like, Okay, well
Speaker 1: you better find something else to do with your time
Speaker 1: because you are not that. And just simply saying, okay,
Speaker 1: four concussions, five years, you got to hang it up.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's really short sighted because I think
Speaker 1: it lacks a fundamental understanding of how important the craft
Speaker 1: is to these people. And oftentimes we see players and
Speaker 1: coaches too hanging on for way too long, Like your
Speaker 1: expiration day was four or five years ago. Man, Like
Speaker 1: I'll never forget seeing Patrick Ewing wear a Sonics jersey, right,
Speaker 1: Brett Favre, Joe Montana, guys at the end of their
Speaker 1: career wearing other jerseys. It never felt right. Karl Malone
Speaker 1: in a Lakers jersey never felt right. It's very rare.
Speaker 1: It does happen. But Andrew Luck is an outlier. You know,
Speaker 1: these guys that walk away in their twenties, in their
Speaker 1: when there are hundreds of millions of dollars left to
Speaker 1: be made, that's a rare thing. And Luck was a
Speaker 1: unique guy. He was a cerebral guy. He was a thinker,
Speaker 1: and he did not leave as a result of some
Speaker 1: sort of catastrophic injury. But if you read the Seth
Speaker 1: Wickerstran piece that was written on Andrew about two years ago,
Speaker 1: he did leave because he felt his body starting to
Speaker 1: break down. And he was in his twenties, right, so
Speaker 1: he had the foresight to do something. We've seen some
Speaker 1: other football players walk away really early, and some of
Speaker 1: the players that walk away early walk away because of
Speaker 1: what we now know about CTE, and certainly it is
Speaker 1: my sincere hope that Tua or any other player is
Speaker 1: not eating out of a straw in their fifties or
Speaker 1: can't find the school to pick up their kids when
Speaker 1: they're driving like you do. Hear horrible, horrible stories. Players
Speaker 1: have taken their lives, Some players have taken other people's lives,
Speaker 1: and then the brain scan comes back, whether it's oj Simpson,
Speaker 1: Aaron Hernandez, and it's like, yeah, their brain is riddled
Speaker 1: with this CTE stuff, and so we know more about it.
Speaker 1: And so certainly it's easy for us to say the
Speaker 1: two of Tongua i Loa at the age of twenty six,
Speaker 1: who still probably has a decade maybe a football left
Speaker 1: in him, like dude, that's enough. It's four and five years,
Speaker 1: you've made more money than you need the contracts. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the details would be as far as
Speaker 1: ah amnesty clause, if Miami would just simply pay the money,
Speaker 1: but at this point, I don't think money's an issue
Speaker 1: for two of Tongue of Iloa, and I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see how he traverses this space
Speaker 1: because there are already reports. Who knows how credible. They
Speaker 1: are that to his family is asking him to consider
Speaker 1: shutting it down. And when I see it in a
Speaker 1: vacuum watching Thursday night football, and suddenly a guy who
Speaker 1: I like a lot man I've always been a to
Speaker 1: a guy I've always I loved him at Bama, you know,
Speaker 1: the twuo of Borrow stuff got a little one sided.
Speaker 1: Burrow obviously was the choice O one, but I always
Speaker 1: loved to and he just seems like such a sweet kid,
Speaker 1: and he seems like such a thoughtful guy. And he
Speaker 1: has a couple of kids. He has a couple of kids,
Speaker 1: and he's married, and so that probably has to come
Speaker 1: into play, but ultimately it will be up to the player.
Speaker 1: So reports are that his wife, you know, his children,
Speaker 1: And can you imagine if you were watching football and
Speaker 1: that's your dad, and that's the fourth time you've seen
Speaker 1: this in five years. Certainly you would like him to
Speaker 1: come home. Certainly you would like him to make sure
Speaker 1: that he's preventative about his mental ability to just be
Speaker 1: a capable person in his fifties and sixties. This is
Speaker 1: not about Tua over the next five years. This is
Speaker 1: about the rest of Tua's life, and it's not about
Speaker 1: Kenny play in a couple of weeks. It's about can
Speaker 1: he get healthy and then from there, with his doctors
Speaker 1: and his family, can he make the right decision. But
Speaker 1: when these guys walk away, it's hard to articulate how
Speaker 1: lost they seem from time to time. I mean Hans Olsen,
Speaker 1: Brian Dunseth, Britton, Johnson. I could go on and on
Speaker 1: with all of the ex pros that I've worked with here,
Speaker 1: and I could go on and on about all the
Speaker 1: ex pros that I used to work with when I
Speaker 1: was on the team side and watching them hold on
Speaker 1: so long, And initially I didn't fully understand, like, okay,
Speaker 1: you're done, Patrick Ewing, you can't play the way you
Speaker 1: used to play. And there are so many examples. I
Speaker 1: could go, like achem Olajuan with a raptor's jersey on,
Speaker 1: like so many examples. But then when I started to
Speaker 1: witness a lot of these guys after they retired, and
Speaker 1: how lost they were, Like Anthony Mason, you know, the
Speaker 1: former Nick you know he held on for a while,
Speaker 1: he got traded for Larry Johnson, he played in Charlotte
Speaker 1: and Mace retired and completely lost his will. He was
Speaker 1: dead before he was sixty, right, And so I saw
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff. And that's why I never
Speaker 1: criticized an athlete for continuing to play. Not a coach
Speaker 1: tell me once, play until somebody tells you you can't.
Speaker 1: And for me, that was my freshman year in college.
Speaker 1: For these guys, it's their living, it's their life, it's
Speaker 1: their identity, and when they walk away, when they're this young,
Speaker 1: oftentimes it's as chaotic if they keep playing and put
Speaker 1: their health in jeopardy. I'm not a doctor. I don't
Speaker 1: know the deal with Tua, but I just find the
Speaker 1: new cycle a little sickening when everybody tells him what
Speaker 1: he's supposed to do, when the only person that ultimately
Speaker 1: knows is him, and he'll take advice from doctors, he'll
Speaker 1: take advice from his family. Ultimately. It just sucks because
Speaker 1: he does seem like such a great kid, and he's
Speaker 1: a really good player. Utah heads to Logan without their
Speaker 1: starting quarterback coming up tomorrow, BYU heads to larn Me
Speaker 1: without their first two choice running backs, so two teams
Speaker 1: with some injury issues. Utah is a eighteen point favorite,
Speaker 1: BYU's a ten point favorite. But Week three of college
Speaker 1: football is here. Next guest, one of my favorites to
Speaker 1: break it down, my buddy Max Brown on a Friday afternoon. Max,
Speaker 1: Happy Friday, man, How are we doing.
Speaker 5: Every Friday spend's doing well? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm well. I appreciate your time. I want to start
Speaker 1: actually with a story out of the NFL, because you're
Speaker 1: a former high level quarterback and I started the show
Speaker 1: off today with the two of stuff and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: always uncomfortable when I follow a new cycle after an
Speaker 1: injury and media fo get you out of microphone and
Speaker 1: say you need to retire, you should step away. At
Speaker 1: the same time, I hate watching what I saw last
Speaker 1: night and Max, that's four concussions in five years. He
Speaker 1: had won Abama in nineteen. Their reports that his family
Speaker 1: are encouraging him to look to step away. I don't
Speaker 1: know how credible those are. But you're the guy for
Speaker 1: this because you played the position. What do you make
Speaker 1: of where we find ourselves with Tua a day after
Speaker 1: his fourth concussion in five years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the way that you started that because
Speaker 5: obviously nowither of us are doctors. And at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, I think that's the most important important
Speaker 5: word is that Dolphins trainer and what they're advising him,
Speaker 5: and I'm sure he's going to specialists, and I think
Speaker 5: we all can agree. And I saw the same Sports
Speaker 5: Center segments last night of you know, everyone, everyone kind
Speaker 5: of saying that. But at the same time, we've also
Speaker 5: all been around football long enough and have had the
Speaker 5: awareness to see kind of where this road can potentially head.
Speaker 5: And you also can look back. It's not like we're
Speaker 5: just talking he one bad concussion, now like we're just
Speaker 5: talking two bad concussions. Is now number three. And I
Speaker 5: think the timing is unfortunate. Obviously, he's got a family,
Speaker 5: he's got to worry about that that it's priority one
Speaker 5: for sure, and end of statement there. But I also
Speaker 5: think when you talk about from a football analysis side
Speaker 5: and from the Miami Dolphins side, the fact that they
Speaker 5: just resigned him for a contract makes this dynamic all
Speaker 5: the more delicate, all the more gut wrenching. I think
Speaker 5: if this is a quarterback on the tail end, it's
Speaker 5: maybe a different tone. I think if it's a quarterback
Speaker 5: that did not just sign a I believe it's one
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty six million dollars guaranteed contract for everyone involved. Obviously,
Speaker 5: his health is priority one, but for everyone involved, Tua
Speaker 5: to his family, to his teammates, to the coaches Mike McDaniel,
Speaker 5: there's just so much riding on this decision that it's
Speaker 5: a delicate one. But it's hard to watch, and it
Speaker 5: would not surprise me if Tua stepped away when it's
Speaker 5: all said and done, one.
Speaker 1: More thing on this, then we'll get to the college stuff.
Speaker 1: The other thing that has I don't know. It's kind
Speaker 1: of a lesson I had to learn when I was younger.
Speaker 1: But I used to when an athlete would walk away,
Speaker 1: or excuse me, when an athlete would continue to play
Speaker 1: when he clearly didn't have it anymore. I always wonder,
Speaker 1: like what are you doing? You know, like why are
Speaker 1: you still out there? And then I witnessed several athletes
Speaker 1: step away and really struggle to find their footing and
Speaker 1: struggle to find what's next. And I don't think you
Speaker 1: ever fully. I was talking to some of our local
Speaker 1: soccer guys here the other night who have retired. They
Speaker 1: want a cup. In two thousand and nine, we had
Speaker 1: a little celebration for him, and they've all gone on
Speaker 1: to do other things. Ones A sports agent one's a
Speaker 1: college coach. There are a couple of guys that are
Speaker 1: coaching with a team, but they also said the same thing,
Speaker 1: and that is nothing that we've done has come close
Speaker 1: to what it felt like to play the sport that
Speaker 1: we love. And you know, when there's a situation like
Speaker 1: this where a guy may need to walk away young,
Speaker 1: I always caution people like it's a little bit more
Speaker 1: difficult than I think most people understand for athletes to
Speaker 1: walk away from the sport that they love. What was
Speaker 1: it like for you and what are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: just the general dynamic of athletes walking away and then
Speaker 1: struggling to find the thing that they love so much,
Speaker 1: because nothing that you will ever find will meet that
Speaker 1: they're just it just doesn't exist.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great question and certainly one that's that's
Speaker 5: close to my heart, and not that I ever played
Speaker 5: at to his level per se, but I can relate
Speaker 5: to having quarterback be pretty much your identity, your entire life.
Speaker 5: And it's funny because Spent I know, I've been coming
Speaker 5: on your show for a few years now, but it
Speaker 5: took me just until this past summer to go all
Speaker 5: in into football broadcasting, and I had a different job
Speaker 5: on the side for the past five years and had
Speaker 5: a couple of career changes along the way. And it's
Speaker 5: one of those things where, like you said, I mean,
Speaker 5: you're trying to figure out what what your identity is,
Speaker 5: what your pursuits are post football. And even for a
Speaker 5: guy like myself, which I'd like to think, you know,
Speaker 5: I had had a level head with that transition process,
Speaker 5: which not everyone does. Even I you know, you know,
Speaker 5: struggled with that with that transition. And so if you
Speaker 5: look at a guy who's in the NFL, who's been
Speaker 5: playing you know, to what five six years, or guys
Speaker 5: even longer, eight, nine, ten years, and literally your entire
Speaker 5: identity is who you are as a football player and
Speaker 5: you go to the grocery store. And if we're being honest,
Speaker 5: for the rest of Tua his life, he will always
Speaker 5: be the Miami Dolphins quarterback, for better or for worse,
Speaker 5: potentially if he's trying to move on to the next phase.
Speaker 5: And that is a tough transition, especially for guys that
Speaker 5: like two of who he was a huge recruit coming
Speaker 5: to high school. He was a huge player at Alabama.
Speaker 5: He was a big time NFL quarterback and that's gonna
Speaker 5: be with him forever. I think a lot of guys
Speaker 5: struggle to turn the page. I know I had had
Speaker 5: a hard time with it as well, and I'm I'm
Speaker 5: sure not saying that two was going to do it
Speaker 5: for sure, but for all those big time quarterbacks, that
Speaker 5: adjustment can can be difficult, no doubt.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move over to some college football storylines.
Speaker 1: We'll start with the team that plays their home ball
Speaker 1: about a mile away from where we're broadcasting, as Utah
Speaker 1: heads up to Logan for the first time in twelve years.
Speaker 1: Last time they went up there, they got got Utah
Speaker 1: stay got them. But it's a different, different story. But
Speaker 1: here's my question for you. Isaac Wilson, according to all reports,
Speaker 1: will be under center. The line has moved a couple
Speaker 1: of different times. It's settled at eighteen utahstell a healthy favorite.
Speaker 1: But outline for us, what looks like what success looks
Speaker 1: like for Isaac? How coach Loud handles the playbook? Do
Speaker 1: they open it up a little bit more than they
Speaker 1: did against Baylor? What should you fans expect from their
Speaker 1: QB two and what does success looking sound like? Max?
Speaker 5: I think success for Isaac Wilson looks like just an
Speaker 5: efficient day at the office and not making not making
Speaker 5: that huge mistake. And I don't think he needs to,
Speaker 5: you know, throw for three hundred yards. Shoot. I don't
Speaker 5: even know if he needs to throw for two hundred yards.
Speaker 5: But I think the stat line that he needs to
Speaker 5: have is, you know, if he can hang around that
Speaker 5: seventy percent completion percentage with no turnovers, that to me
Speaker 5: success success for him. I think Utah fans, and you know,
Speaker 5: college football fans in general, have maybe taken for granted
Speaker 5: how could have a passer Cam Rising is. I think
Speaker 5: he makes a lot of those intermediate timing routes look
Speaker 5: very easy, and then what his replacement comes in, it's like, oh, wow,
Speaker 5: it's not that easy. I think it speaks to Cam's
Speaker 5: understanding of timing, Cam's experience, and just Cam's count as
Speaker 5: a as a passer in that system. And so when
Speaker 5: you go to Isaac Wilson and honestly reminds me of
Speaker 5: you know, maybe where Utah was at offensively before Cam Rising,
Speaker 5: or maybe even before Tyler Huntley, or maybe a young
Speaker 5: Tyler Huntley, where it was a lot of hey, let's
Speaker 5: split the field in half. And not ask him to
Speaker 5: do full field reads, get his legs and involved, utilize
Speaker 5: the play action, and then get him out on the
Speaker 5: get him out in the run, because not only is
Speaker 5: getting a quarterback out in the run, he's able to
Speaker 5: use his legs. But I also think when you cut
Speaker 5: the field in half, reading a defense is much easier.
Speaker 5: It's a level one, level two checkdown, level one, level
Speaker 5: two checkdown. And I think that's the recipe for success
Speaker 5: as you're working in a new quarterback, especially when you
Speaker 5: got good tight ends that you like and a couple
Speaker 5: of receivers that can be explosive downfield.
Speaker 1: So what is the MaTx Brown level of concern? I
Speaker 1: said this earlier, We're going to do our picks before
Speaker 1: we say good night. I think Utah win. But I
Speaker 1: don't love that line Max. It's an in state game.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of the dynamics of these. A
Speaker 1: lot of the Utah State players probably wish they could
Speaker 1: have played at Utah been recruited by Kyle I mean
Speaker 1: Colorado Colorado State, like they are rivalry games this weekend
Speaker 1: that have the same dynamic, and that's kind of a
Speaker 1: funky place to play. It's a great campus and the
Speaker 1: students are awesome, and you know, Utah State has gone
Speaker 1: through the ringer of this offseason, losing their coach for
Speaker 1: a number of different reasons. But should you fans have
Speaker 1: any consternation leading up to Utah Utah State tomorrow afternoon?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a question. With rivalry weeks, I didn't catch
Speaker 5: the line. What is the line in this game?
Speaker 1: Utah favored by eighteen?
Speaker 5: Oh? Bit man, that's a lot of points. It feels
Speaker 5: like that's the theme this week right everything I've been
Speaker 5: listening to these you know, rivalry week games where people
Speaker 5: are picking the better team to win, but the lesser
Speaker 5: or the underdog to at least cover. I feel like
Speaker 5: it feels like that is. I feel like everyone's taking
Speaker 5: Oregon State to cover, and feels like a lot of
Speaker 5: people are taking Washington State versus Washington to cover, but
Speaker 5: again for Washington to ultimately win that game and for
Speaker 5: Oregon ultimately win that game. And I think from a
Speaker 5: cover standpoint, I think there would be concerns if I
Speaker 5: was putting money on this game. Eighteen points is a ton,
Speaker 5: especially when you have an unproven quarterback. I mean, just
Speaker 5: simply to put up the amount of points that you're
Speaker 5: gonna need to cover. That's going to be difficult. And
Speaker 5: then when you mix in a rivalry game on the road,
Speaker 5: you never know talent aside, you never know how a
Speaker 5: younger quarterback is going to adjust to just that atmosphere.
Speaker 5: And knowing that he knows the deal, he knows that
Speaker 5: Cam Rising was the all world, all everything quarterback and
Speaker 5: now he's no more, and every pressure is on the
Speaker 5: backup guy. You better believe as a backup quarterback. You
Speaker 5: know that. And I think the mentality and starting fast
Speaker 5: those first couple of drives is critical. But I think
Speaker 5: Utah will take care of business. I think you know
Speaker 5: we've seen this before. Of hey, even when even when
Speaker 5: the quarterback isn't at a even good level, let's just
Speaker 5: say it's an average level, that they could come out
Speaker 5: and find wins in different ways.
Speaker 1: So Max and you and I last spoke, the PAC
Speaker 1: twelve is back, question Mark. You know, it's interesting to
Speaker 1: follow this news cycle. I mean, look, I wonder what
Speaker 1: it means for UTAs Stana friends up in Logan, but
Speaker 1: I'm excited at the prospect of the of the PAC
Speaker 1: twelve coming back. So we all know the story about
Speaker 1: one hundred and eleven million dollars in exit fees due
Speaker 1: to the Mound West Conference from the departing institutions and
Speaker 1: also the PAC twelve. I mean, Oregon State and Wazoo
Speaker 1: were sitting on a load of cash as a result
Speaker 1: of the settlements for the corner schools that bounce and
Speaker 1: obviously Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal two. So they utilize that money.
Speaker 1: They moved some of it to the Mountain West. Starting
Speaker 1: in twenty six, they'll get these four teams. They still
Speaker 1: need to add two more, as you know. But what
Speaker 1: was your reaction to the story. What are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on the resurrection of the PAC twelve, far before any
Speaker 1: of us thought it was coming.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm excited for the Bees and the coupes first
Speaker 5: and foremost. I mean, I've spent a lot of time
Speaker 5: around the Bees, especially the past couple of years, just
Speaker 5: with calling their games and following its directory of Jonathan Smith.
Speaker 5: So I think this is a stabilizing force in some regard.
Speaker 5: I think there was a lot of uncertainty just long term,
Speaker 5: and that was always the narrative around both those both
Speaker 5: those programs, and I think this stabilizes things. I still
Speaker 5: love the stand that I don't think this is the
Speaker 5: end of things. I think there could potentially be a
Speaker 5: shake up in the ACC. I think there could be
Speaker 5: a shake up with the power too at the very
Speaker 5: top of Hey, if they start branching off, you know,
Speaker 5: three five years down the road. Like, I don't think
Speaker 5: this is the end, but I think it's critical for
Speaker 5: Washington State and Oregon State to at least not feel
Speaker 5: like they relegated. And I think that's what you accomplished
Speaker 5: by this move is it's not necessarily Hey, we're going
Speaker 5: down to the Mountain West, and everyone knows the PAC
Speaker 5: calls not obviously where it was two years ago. But
Speaker 5: I think the optics make a lot or sound a
Speaker 5: lot better for Washington State and Oregon State, especially if
Speaker 5: there's another deck reshuffling here in five, seven, ten years
Speaker 5: kind of thing. So that was my first takeaway. I
Speaker 5: think second takeaway was I admire Commissioner Teresa Gold PAC
Speaker 5: twelve commissioner for being proactive in this decision. I think
Speaker 5: that's one thing the PAC twelve they got out maneuvered
Speaker 5: from a business standpoint the past two three years, shoot,
Speaker 5: you could probably even say past twelve years. And that's
Speaker 5: why the PAC twelve dissolved initially, and I think they
Speaker 5: learned from that experience and said, hey, even if we're
Speaker 5: hopeful that hey, Stanford and Colum might come back, or
Speaker 5: we're hopeful that a big twelve invite might come, you
Speaker 5: just can't sit on the sideline. And even if there
Speaker 5: was a world where that was going to happen where
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's necessarily the case, but I
Speaker 5: know people were hoping for that. I don't think you
Speaker 5: can take that chance. And I commend them for being
Speaker 5: proactive taking the bull by their help by the Horns
Speaker 5: and creating this move. And the exit fees is significant.
Speaker 5: I'm fascinated to see what that final number ends up being.
Speaker 5: I've read things that yes, it's one hundred and fifteen
Speaker 5: million dollars on paper, but attorneys have a funny way
Speaker 5: of condensing that number when you look at history of
Speaker 5: conference re alignment a little bit. So that'll be interesting
Speaker 5: to see. And then my employer, I call games for
Speaker 5: the CW. The CW has the PAC twelve package currently
Speaker 5: with Oregon State in Washington State, I think the TV rights,
Speaker 5: where does that net out for those six schools and
Speaker 5: tuned to potentially be eight or who knows, maybe attend schools.
Speaker 5: I'd be very curious behind the scenes because it is
Speaker 5: a critical factor. What does that TV rights deal look
Speaker 5: like long term for those six schools? If you're Boise,
Speaker 5: if your friends no State, your San Diego state, your
Speaker 5: Colorado state, that would be the question that I would
Speaker 5: be modeling really my entire athletic department around and so
Speaker 5: I haven't heard specifics there and I'm fascinated to see
Speaker 5: what comes to that.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on who the other schools will be to
Speaker 1: get the invite as that reference to be a accredited
Speaker 1: FBS conference, you have to have eight. They're at six.
Speaker 1: According to what I've read, Vegas feels obvious, UNLV feels obvious,
Speaker 1: and there's Memphis, there's Tulane, There's some other options out there.
Speaker 1: Then there's there's Utah State. I look, Darren Logan, all
Speaker 1: due respect, it's not a thriving television market, but we
Speaker 1: like our agues around here. Any thoughts on who the
Speaker 1: other two schools could be they get the invite prior
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty six, Yeah, right away.
Speaker 5: I think you have to look at Stanford and cal
Speaker 5: and how do things shake out with the acc and
Speaker 5: for people that aren't necessarily locked in on the national
Speaker 5: landscape of college football, there's there's chatter that, you know,
Speaker 5: potentially Florida State could take on a significant buyout and
Speaker 5: try to get into one of the bigger conferences. I
Speaker 5: don't think that has I don't think that's uh, you know,
Speaker 5: that's that's going to happen tomorrow. But I do think
Speaker 5: that conversation is at least ongoing in some capacity. And
Speaker 5: then if that happens and the ACC gets reshuffled, then
Speaker 5: you know, Stanford and Call look around, and I think
Speaker 5: there's a world where they could join this new, new
Speaker 5: new school PAC twelve. I think two years ago people
Speaker 5: would have rolled their eyes and said, hey, there's no
Speaker 5: way Stanford and cal whatever buddy up with the Fresno
Speaker 5: States and the San Diego States academically. But they might
Speaker 5: not really have a choice, especially if they also, on
Speaker 5: the other hand, pride themselves in the Olympic sports and
Speaker 5: the whole student athlete experience. I think staying West Coast
Speaker 5: certainly lends it handed that, So you know, that would
Speaker 5: be those would be my first two calls, but we'll see.
Speaker 5: I think those schools obviously have a lot of pride.
Speaker 5: And then you mentioned that Memphis two Lane is interesting.
Speaker 5: I agree with you, UNLV is obvious, but I say
Speaker 5: that and I was that was my first reaction when
Speaker 5: I saw the schools that that that joined, is why
Speaker 5: was l UNLV not in there? And again I know
Speaker 5: that maybe the academic stuff or whatever it is, but
Speaker 5: I've been I've called a couple of un LV games.
Speaker 5: Their facilities are really nice. Obviously they're in a big market.
Speaker 5: It was a little bit of a head scratcher to
Speaker 5: me that they were not part of this initial batch.
Speaker 5: My sense is that you know, they could grow into
Speaker 5: grow into acquiring you UNLV, and then the big one
Speaker 5: to track too to bring this full circle is Gonzaga
Speaker 5: and hoops. Everything I read is, you know, that could
Speaker 5: be the next domino of really trying to level this
Speaker 5: thing up and get it more attractive. Which I know,
Speaker 5: I'm a football guy. I'm always thinking about things through
Speaker 5: a football lens. But that would be a big get
Speaker 5: for the Pac twelve if they could get the Zachs
Speaker 5: from a hook's perspective.
Speaker 1: All right, Max, before I said, you lose just questions
Speaker 1: on a couple of games this weekend. Let's start with
Speaker 1: a couple of former buddies of ours, former PAC twelve two.
Speaker 1: Well one still in the pack, but it is I
Speaker 1: think we can still say the Civil War without being canceled.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's Oregon Oregon State. It's another
Speaker 1: one of those tricky games. Oregon's getting sixteen on the road.
Speaker 1: They barely survive there the tour of the state of Idaho,
Speaker 1: and just like Utah Utah State, Oregon State's going to
Speaker 1: be motivated. That place is nuts in core Vallis, as
Speaker 1: you know, when it really gets going. So what are
Speaker 1: you looking for? What are you expecting in Corvallis As
Speaker 1: we see Oregon take on Oregon State.
Speaker 5: This is a fun one. Like I said a couple
Speaker 5: of minutes ago, it feels like everyone's taking Oregon State
Speaker 5: in this, not to win, but to cover obviously a
Speaker 5: lot of points. It's the record of Hey rivalry games,
Speaker 5: Civil War rivalry games. When a's at Corvallis, you know,
Speaker 5: the Beaves have certainly favored Well I called the Beams
Speaker 5: week one. And I don't know if it's me it's
Speaker 5: trying to be different or what it is, but I
Speaker 5: think gets it done and I think Oregon gets right
Speaker 5: this game. I think part of me wonders if we're
Speaker 5: underestimating how good a program Boise he was. I thought
Speaker 5: they looked really good offensively, not even at their running
Speaker 5: back position, just with Ashton Genty, who might be the
Speaker 5: best running back in the country this past week. I
Speaker 5: thought their whole offensive operation was smooth. Yes, Oregon looks
Speaker 5: a notch softer than they did last year, or a
Speaker 5: couple of notches softer, but I feel like this is
Speaker 5: the game where they say enough is enough. I mean
Speaker 5: to remind everyone, this was an Oregon roster that we
Speaker 5: were saying, Hey, this is the best organ Duck roster
Speaker 5: we may have ever seen preseason, and their quarterback's playing
Speaker 5: solid or playing efficient. I think they get right in
Speaker 5: the in the trenches. And I just don't know if
Speaker 5: Oregon State has enough offensive firepower. When I covered them
Speaker 5: Week one, Giovannie McCay was efficient, but it was not
Speaker 5: I don't know if I don't know if anything at
Speaker 5: the quarterback spot really fears you or scares you. And
Speaker 5: with Oregon speed, I think this is a get right
Speaker 5: game for the Ducks and they get the season back
Speaker 5: on track all right.
Speaker 1: Before I set you loose Colorado. Colorado State last year
Speaker 1: got weird and it was late and we all watched
Speaker 1: because the number was massive. Colorado needed I think double
Speaker 1: overtime in Boulder a year ago. They go to four Collins.
Speaker 1: Colorado's a seven point favorite on the road. It feels
Speaker 1: like the landscape under Dion's feet is awfully shaky right now.
Speaker 1: I don't love that line either. I'm not saying Colorado's
Speaker 1: gonna lose, but another tricky and state game where you
Speaker 1: have the Colorado State side wishing they could probably play
Speaker 1: for Colorado, you know, bigger whatever program. What do you
Speaker 1: think we're gonna see tomorrow on CBS when Dion and
Speaker 1: the Boys go to four Collins.
Speaker 5: I hope and think we'll see a round two of
Speaker 5: what we saw last year. In terms of last year,
Speaker 5: that was one of the best college games we had
Speaker 5: all season, and I think it's it'll be another exciting
Speaker 5: one tomorrow. When I look at this game, I don't
Speaker 5: even look at you know, x's and o's football stuff.
Speaker 5: I look at emotions and I think Colorado State this
Speaker 5: is their super Bowl. As you just said, it's well
Speaker 5: documented and with Colorado, I mean, man, Shador is an
Speaker 5: absolute baller. His film is good, but you know, like
Speaker 5: the subtle jabs at your offensive line and just the
Speaker 5: overall vibe in that program. If they don't get off
Speaker 5: on the right foot in the first couple series in
Speaker 5: this game, I think they could really struggle. Their running
Speaker 5: attack is non existent, which is a complete head scratcher
Speaker 5: for me. I think so much was made of all
Speaker 5: the upgrades Colorado's made, and they're not even attempting to.
Speaker 2: Run the ball.
Speaker 5: I made the I tweeted out last week that they
Speaker 5: have an air raid mentality without an air raid playbook,
Speaker 5: And I think, to me, that's the perfect example of
Speaker 5: it's okay if you want to throw the rock every
Speaker 5: single time, that's what Mike Leach did, but you have
Speaker 5: to have the quick passing game. And it feels like
Speaker 5: everything they're trying to do is drive the ball down
Speaker 5: the field and bite off the entire apple in one
Speaker 5: single play all the time, and that to me is
Speaker 5: not the recipe of success, especially when you have better
Speaker 5: athletes than the team across from you. So it's gout
Speaker 5: check time. If you're Colorado, you cannot lose this one.
Speaker 5: But I would very much put them on the upset
Speaker 5: alert against their rivals.
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, where can everybody go get your work?
Speaker 1: Obviously you're on socials. Where can everybody go find you?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Max Brown on all the social platforms TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, uh,
Speaker 5: doing all sorts of video content there. And then tomorrow
Speaker 5: I'll be calling Old Miss the number five Old Miss Rebels,
Speaker 5: which is probably the best team I've ever recovered in person,
Speaker 5: calling a game for They're loaded versus Wake Forest out
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Speaker 1: Very nice man, We'll have a great call tomorrow. I
Speaker 1: always appreciate the time Max be well.
Speaker 5: Okay, likewise, thanks Bencher.
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Speaker 1: going on with you these days.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, uh, first off, the University Utah has
Speaker 6: brought me in and I've been doing I've been working
Speaker 6: at the University of Utah as a career coach for
Speaker 6: the past year and a half and it's part of
Speaker 6: the you career success that's in the business building, which
Speaker 6: is all the new buildings look so good up there.
Speaker 6: But it's a great feeling knowing that I'm there at
Speaker 6: the university. I'm helping out with the freshman's and the
Speaker 6: sophomores of the university on their career choices, whether it's
Speaker 6: going through resumes or career at career fair prep, cover letters, jobs,
Speaker 6: internships part time. It's been a big blessing to be
Speaker 6: able to be at my school and be able to
Speaker 6: just talk to these students individually and help them at
Speaker 6: the different stages in life that they go through in college.
Speaker 1: So I wonder what you yourself have learned as a result
Speaker 1: of having this new job, right because a guy like you,
Speaker 1: high level player NFL guy. You know, when we're all younger,
Speaker 1: we think that will live forever, and we think that
Speaker 1: we can do what we're doing when we're eighteen until
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Speaker 1: what are some of the things that you've learned through
Speaker 1: this new journey of yours.
Speaker 6: Well, first off, the state of Utah has always been
Speaker 6: amazing to me. It has always been something I've cherished
Speaker 6: and me coming back here to be part of the
Speaker 6: university again. It's night and day compared to sports and
Speaker 6: then compared to normal life. And when football is over,
Speaker 6: like I tell some of the student athletes now, is
Speaker 6: that you only want to snap away from being injured
Speaker 6: or maybe something might happen. But sports don't last forever,
Speaker 6: you know. And I was in that position as a
Speaker 6: young guy, feeling like I'm gonna play as long as
Speaker 6: Tim Brady, I'm gonna be out here forever, you know.
Speaker 6: And the injury happened, and then life set in of
Speaker 6: like the bills do not stop. And then with my kids,
Speaker 6: with my sons, both of my sons, it was like, hey,
Speaker 6: I got to move on with life.
Speaker 1: And it just happened to be.
Speaker 6: Luckily that Katie Abbey, that's my boss, boss, that's over it.
Speaker 6: She seen something in me and said that I could
Speaker 6: probably connect with these students and she would love to
Speaker 6: bring me on. And then the sky's the limit now
Speaker 6: with everything that's been happening. Because football, all I knew
Speaker 6: was football. I didn't know anything else about the university.
Speaker 6: So now as I'm working on the other end, it's
Speaker 6: like I'm walking around the university seeing buildings that I've
Speaker 6: never seen, talking to students the student body, Like, I'm
Speaker 6: really like into it and I love what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I love it a lot. Good for you, man, I'm
Speaker 1: proud of you. That's good stuff. And I wanted to
Speaker 1: utilize what we're talking about now to bring you into
Speaker 1: a conversation that's happening today about Tua, about Tuatna Baaloa.
Speaker 1: And I'm biased because I love the kid. I love
Speaker 1: doing college, and I think he comes across as such
Speaker 1: a sweet guy. Right, But I always cringe when I
Speaker 1: turn on the TV or turn on the radio and
Speaker 1: a guy like me, a guy with a microphone, says
Speaker 1: out loud he needs to retire. And look, it's complicated,
Speaker 1: right because there are reports out there. He has a wife,
Speaker 1: he has two children. There are reports out there that
Speaker 1: they would like him to consider stepping away. It is
Speaker 1: his fourth concussion in five years. He had one Abamman
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and I hate seeing players with their hands
Speaker 1: fenced after they got knocked out. I hate it, yes,
Speaker 1: but it's not my to say what he should or
Speaker 1: shouldn't do. Because as you've been through, and I've seen
Speaker 1: working with guys like you, ex pro athletes. When I
Speaker 1: was on the team side and now I'm on the
Speaker 1: media side, you've been able to find your way, right,
Speaker 1: You've been able to find a purpose, You have children,
Speaker 1: you have a job that you love. But you know this,
Speaker 1: ro Joe, and so do I. I've seen so many
Speaker 1: ex pros just wander through their life to I used
Speaker 1: the example of Anthony Mason, who played for the next
Speaker 1: and when we were back in New York and Mace
Speaker 1: retired and he didn't know what to do, and he
Speaker 1: had a grip of money and essentially drank himself to death.
Speaker 1: He was dead before he was sixty. And I loved
Speaker 1: that guy. That was my guy, right. So I want
Speaker 1: you to tell our audience just how complicated a decision
Speaker 1: like this is for Tua at the age of twenty six,
Speaker 1: with the ability if he wants to and of his
Speaker 1: doctors give him the thumbs up to probably play for
Speaker 1: another ten years and make another two hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: This is not an easy choice, is it. And it's
Speaker 1: it's only his choice with his family and his doctors.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, And it's crazy that you you bring this
Speaker 6: topic up because I was just I was just talking
Speaker 6: to a couple of my friends. Was just like chopping
Speaker 6: it up. Yeah, we was talking a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: we was talking about different things. And I've seen a
Speaker 6: clip from Stephen A. Smith that was saying sacrifices for
Speaker 6: your family and things like that, and you know, like,
Speaker 6: though Stephen A. Smith is is great at what he does,
Speaker 6: he does, but me going through what I went through
Speaker 6: with playing in the NFL and seeing some of my
Speaker 6: good friends that played and received a lot of concussions,
Speaker 6: you know, it's it's sad that it's people that's on
Speaker 6: the outside that feel like they can speak for football
Speaker 6: players when you really don't know once football is over,
Speaker 6: how our body is. I was just telling Porter, like
Speaker 6: I don't know about the statistics or the stats behind
Speaker 6: all this, but it's a lot more football players are athletes,
Speaker 6: not just football players. It's a lot more athletes that
Speaker 6: has harmed themselves outside of their sport from concussions. Because
Speaker 6: life doesn't it when you're done with football or when
Speaker 6: you're done with that sport. Life continues, but you're never
Speaker 6: the same. When you have concussions or when you had
Speaker 6: some your brain don't work the same. It's gonna be
Speaker 6: moments that you might have those headaches, You're gonna have
Speaker 6: those moments of you might might not.
Speaker 1: Be able to see as good to me, he needs
Speaker 1: to just go ahead and retire.
Speaker 6: Like I feel, I feel that in my heart because
Speaker 6: most of us football players and whoever that's listening out there,
Speaker 6: I know that you mostly mostly you will agree with me,
Speaker 6: is that we live for that second contract with that
Speaker 6: big payout.
Speaker 1: He was able to get there. He got it.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: It's tough because we love sports.
Speaker 6: That's what it is, us football players, and I'm speaking
Speaker 6: it's just football players in general. We love football and
Speaker 6: you can't just it's hard to it's hard to get
Speaker 6: ripped away from it because you have so much love
Speaker 6: for it. But life, man, life is like I'm realizing
Speaker 6: that since I've been working at the University of Utah, like,
Speaker 6: I'm very very blessed that the position that I played
Speaker 6: playing safety running into people, that's common and my brain
Speaker 6: is not too messed up. And I'm still able to
Speaker 6: function as a high function in a black American here
Speaker 6: at the university in the state of in the state
Speaker 6: of Utah, and just to see him go through that
Speaker 6: is sad. But you gotta step away, man, you gotta
Speaker 6: It's not even just step away. You in a really
Speaker 6: good organization with the Miami Dolphins. They take care of
Speaker 6: their players, so I can I was telling Porter, I
Speaker 6: can visually see that if he if he has a
Speaker 6: medical retirement and he has to do it, the Miami
Speaker 6: Dolphins might think of a way to keep him within football,
Speaker 6: but not in the physical aspect.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 6: So life, man, life continues outside of these sports. And
Speaker 6: I have to tell people like, do we all wish
Speaker 6: we could play loan? But man, like, when it's over,
Speaker 6: it's over. There's no there's no it's no second shot.
Speaker 6: It's it's over. It's a rap. So him and his family,
Speaker 6: I wish him, I wish them all the best, and
Speaker 6: I feel like he needs to step away from football
Speaker 6: because football is great. But I say that these owners
Speaker 6: out here they can replace you, and and and they do. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's how they replace you. They care for you. But
Speaker 6: sometimes it turns to what can you do for me
Speaker 6: right now, and and if you're not producing anything, they
Speaker 6: gonna get rid of you. So I feel like right
Speaker 6: now he got his he got he got the money, he.
Speaker 1: Got the bag. Get his bag. Yeah, he got the bag.
Speaker 6: And it's like just step away from it because once
Speaker 6: the football is over, that's when a lot of people
Speaker 6: won't be talking about you. And when you're going through
Speaker 6: all those different things, man, it's just it plays with
Speaker 6: your brain. And I mean what Junian say, I like sadly,
Speaker 6: you know, like it was it's it's players out here
Speaker 6: that has harmed himself and they have made sure to
Speaker 6: leave a note get my brain checked. And that comes
Speaker 6: from getting those concussions. So if you're going to continue
Speaker 6: to just do this, it's it's dangerous. And we all
Speaker 6: know that we signed we know what we sign up for.
Speaker 1: We do know that.
Speaker 6: But it's still sad though that he's going through this.
Speaker 6: And it was like just slid man, come on as
Speaker 6: I'm watching them, like the slide, you know, It's it's
Speaker 6: sad and I just really wished.
Speaker 1: I wish I wish the best for him.
Speaker 6: I wish he makes a really good decision because life
Speaker 6: goes on with sports is over.
Speaker 1: You said something that jarred something in me. I didn't
Speaker 1: plan on doing this today, but I and if I
Speaker 1: catch off guard, I apologize. I'm in this space where
Speaker 1: I get so tired of how hate is permeating in
Speaker 1: our country right and how polar And I'm a sports
Speaker 1: socc rator Houston saw like, I'm not changing the world.
Speaker 1: I'm not changing anyone's mine. I'm not trying to. But
Speaker 1: you know, I was raised in pro sports. I played
Speaker 1: basketball through high school and aau so. I had black teammates,
Speaker 1: I had road trips. There was one road trip we
Speaker 1: took up to Boston where there were twelve of us.
Speaker 1: I was the only white player, and it was never
Speaker 1: a thing for me. I'm lucky that I was raised
Speaker 1: that way because I don't have any uh you know,
Speaker 1: I don't have any premonitions about being scared of a
Speaker 1: race that I'm not familiar with, right. I just I'm
Speaker 1: comfortable around black people. I don't know how it's to
Speaker 1: say it. I always I love the culture, you know,
Speaker 1: love hip hop, I love basket I love all of it. Right,
Speaker 1: But there's this thing that people believe that we have
Speaker 1: in our state where just be and look Let's be
Speaker 1: clear there three percent of Salt Lake is black. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's not a lot of people like you, ro Joe,
Speaker 1: But I don't want to speak for you. It feels like,
Speaker 1: as a black man, you have found more or less
Speaker 1: love in our state. Is that fair to say? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I've found all the love. Like that's what
Speaker 1: I would say here at the State of Utah.
Speaker 6: Hearing that, Yeah, And I think that's one of the
Speaker 6: biggest reasons why I decided to even move back here
Speaker 6: is to raise my boys. On top of that, meet
Speaker 6: a lot of these great people that's here in the
Speaker 6: state of Utah.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's amazing people that's here. And I tell
Speaker 1: people all that.
Speaker 6: I tell people about that all the time, no matter
Speaker 6: where I'm at, because once they see a like where
Speaker 6: you live at I live in Utah, black guy in Utah.
Speaker 1: What is that? No, it's worth it, Like, come up
Speaker 1: here in experience.
Speaker 6: I tell everybody that don't go by what you see
Speaker 6: on TV, come experience it and come check it out.
Speaker 6: Because I I've met all the people in the world
Speaker 6: out here in the university at the state and everybody
Speaker 6: has been amazing towards me. Yeah, and it has nothing
Speaker 6: to do with just being a football player.
Speaker 1: It has more.
Speaker 6: To do with how I present myself and how I
Speaker 6: carry myself and on top of that, how I take
Speaker 6: in somebody that might not want to be close to me,
Speaker 6: but then they.
Speaker 1: Attract to me. So I got used to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's good, and I think people need to be
Speaker 1: reminded of positive experiences. Yes, because I'm a transplant too.
Speaker 1: Of sorts, it's home now. I've been here twenty five years,
Speaker 1: but the kids I grew up with same thing, like
Speaker 1: you live where that's what they're always actually like and
Speaker 1: what's alike. And for me, I have friends and family,
Speaker 1: so it's home of sorts, and I know how to
Speaker 1: traverse the space. But I just feel like whenever we
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to express ourselves as people that just
Speaker 1: have different pigmentation of skin and that's all it is,
Speaker 1: let's be clear of you know, what it is really
Speaker 1: like here. I just like to give people the opportunity
Speaker 1: to talk about it, you know.
Speaker 6: Like one of the main things I've learned, and this
Speaker 6: is something quickly that I've learned, is that think about
Speaker 6: sports like I tell people think about sports. University of
Speaker 6: you talk, you know, like our our team, the fans
Speaker 6: are not really cheering for the color of the skin.
Speaker 6: They're cheering for the color of the jersey.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 6: Now, if I'm not saying the world need to do this,
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that because I'm not a world I'm
Speaker 6: not trying to change the world. But if everybody remember
Speaker 6: that we're on the same team and we have the
Speaker 6: same jersey on the colors, won't the color of the
Speaker 6: skin won't mean anything because once you lose them, yeah,
Speaker 6: you upset, you know just what it is. But then
Speaker 6: when you win, you're not pointing at like, oh this
Speaker 6: African American or this Caucasian or this Asian or this
Speaker 6: You're looking at it as like our team one. You're
Speaker 6: not looking at it as an individual player. So to me,
Speaker 6: I always tell myself and I tell my sons this
Speaker 6: a lot where it's just like, it doesn't matter what
Speaker 6: skin tone you are, like when you play sports, that
Speaker 6: jersey is what matters. And the fans they're seeing the jersey,
Speaker 6: they're not really seeing too many of what the skin
Speaker 6: color consists of. Unless I'll speaking you started out spoken
Speaker 6: and say some things supposed to be saying right. Still,
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, it's like fans is
Speaker 6: cheering for the jersey color. They're not cheering because of
Speaker 6: the color of a skin.
Speaker 1: Right, And your boys Aiden and Adonnas are playing soccer
Speaker 1: in the state because Look, racism is rooted in fear,
Speaker 1: which is rooted in unfamiliar situations. You're just scared of
Speaker 1: things you don't know, and it's learned behavior. And at
Speaker 1: this age, I would imagine they've got white teammates and
Speaker 1: it's not even a thing for them, right, Because they're young.
Speaker 1: I don't know what we do to injure them. As
Speaker 1: they get older, then they learn this behavior. But you know,
Speaker 1: watching your little boys play soccer probably reminds you, like, yes,
Speaker 1: this racism that does exist. I'm not saying it doesn't,
Speaker 1: but it is learned behavior from people that simply are
Speaker 1: scared of situations they don't know about it.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, And I have seen that twice. I have
Speaker 6: seen it in two different topics. I've seen it from
Speaker 6: a kid that didn't really understand some of the things
Speaker 6: that he was saying, and it was like, hey, where
Speaker 6: do you learn Where did the skin from? It's like, well,
Speaker 6: I learned that at home.
Speaker 7: Ork.
Speaker 6: I picked it up on different things, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 6: not saying this the parents fault, but it's like, hey,
Speaker 6: you got to get more involved kids. And then that
Speaker 6: also turns more back into this other topic that I
Speaker 6: was just speaking about, where a mirror sat Brown the
Speaker 6: receiver from the Detroit Yeah, so his dad they was
Speaker 6: doing a little interview and his dad said something that
Speaker 6: was really really important to me, where he said, most
Speaker 6: people see a kid that don't play sports or don't
Speaker 6: do something, they like, oh, the kid is lazy. It's like,
Speaker 6: have you ever really looked at the parents. It's like
Speaker 6: ninety percent of the time it's the parents, because if
Speaker 6: the parents are pushing their kids or being there and
Speaker 6: supportive or taking them to practice and doing things like that,
Speaker 6: it kind of changed that outlook of a kid is lazy.
Speaker 6: And when I thought about that, I was like, oh gosh,
Speaker 6: I thought about my kids. I'm like, like, I've been
Speaker 6: training my kids for so long that my mind is like,
Speaker 6: if they're lazy, it's because something I'm not doing. So
Speaker 6: then it was just like seeing it from another parent
Speaker 6: saying it, it made sense in my brain of like
Speaker 6: most of the kids that's out there. If you see
Speaker 6: a kid he say he's lazy, maybe look at the
Speaker 6: mom and dad, or look at whoever that's the guardian
Speaker 6: and try to figure out what are they're doing, because
Speaker 6: they might not be pushing them as hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good perspective. That's good perspective. Okay, we will
Speaker 1: do some football. Sorry we got a little distracted, but
Speaker 1: I appreciate the perspective, bro Joe. Through two games, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll get to Saturday in a moment, but through two games. Defensively,
Speaker 1: as a former defensive back at the year, what stands
Speaker 1: out most playmakers the way that the defense is never
Speaker 1: a problem. It certainly isn't this year. But what stands
Speaker 1: out to you turnovers.
Speaker 6: I mean, you think about all the different years of
Speaker 6: the University of Utah football program. In general, turnovers make
Speaker 6: a season different. And a couple of years ago, our
Speaker 6: defense wasn't as strong. But the reason that they wasn't
Speaker 6: as strong because we didn't have a lot of turnovers.
Speaker 6: A matter of fact, I think it was sack Lake City.
Speaker 6: That's when we had all our sacks. You know, we
Speaker 6: had a lot of sacks, but we didn't have a
Speaker 6: lot of turnovers. And then at one point the linebackers
Speaker 6: have more interceptions than the dvs, and I'm like, that's unusual.
Speaker 6: But this year I can see that we're flying to
Speaker 6: the ball and on top of that, we're causing. Like
Speaker 6: I tell my son right now as he plays soccer,
Speaker 6: I'm like, control chaos. Like he's going to be crazy
Speaker 6: to be able to control it and to see what
Speaker 6: our defense is doing. That's exactly what it is. Everybody's
Speaker 6: flying to the ball, that everybody's trying to go make
Speaker 6: up play instead of just going to make the tackle.
Speaker 1: It's like the strip the ball.
Speaker 6: Let's see what we can do on that field goal
Speaker 6: block that tail TiO tale tale.
Speaker 1: That was amazing.
Speaker 6: It was I was like like for me, like I
Speaker 6: think Slide probably said the same thing. Was like the
Speaker 6: coaches always say, get down, don't catch it, get away
Speaker 6: from it.
Speaker 1: He called it and he knew what to do with it.
Speaker 6: So for what I feel the rest of the season
Speaker 6: is gonna turn into is these tough games that were
Speaker 6: gonna have to compete against because he need to give
Speaker 6: a Saturday you could take an l but turnovers would
Speaker 6: definitely help out and then turnover into points. That just
Speaker 6: makes it so much better. If we can get a
Speaker 6: turnover and score, that's that's seven points or six points
Speaker 6: for sure, six points coming from the defensive side. We're
Speaker 6: stopping six points or stopping three points and making six points,
Speaker 6: which is good.
Speaker 1: So I had Nate Orchard and studio asked Sly the
Speaker 1: same question. And I'm not setting you up and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to stir the pod. But after Cameron got
Speaker 1: hurt and it's Cam in a moment, the offense stalled.
Speaker 1: It just did right, and so three and out and
Speaker 1: three and out, three and out. And I asked Nan,
Speaker 1: asked Slie. When you're on defense and you get a stop,
Speaker 1: you go in sack whatever it is, kay, boom, force
Speaker 1: a punt, You roll back to the sideline, take the
Speaker 1: helmet off, you're drinking the gatorade, and you look up
Speaker 1: and you're like watch back out? Yeah? What Like is
Speaker 1: it a challenge to not get upset to your offensive teammates?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 1: What what are the emotions when as a defensive player
Speaker 1: you need a blow man, you need to rest and
Speaker 1: then you look up and you're like wait what and
Speaker 1: you got to put your helmet back out?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What's that feel like? At the beginning of the game,
Speaker 1: it's fine.
Speaker 6: You start like because we're warming up right right, like,
Speaker 6: or at least me and a slider probably are like, yeah,
Speaker 6: we're warming up, We're starting to get into the game,
Speaker 6: so yeah, we want to be on the field. But
Speaker 6: but tour is that that into the third quarter, going
Speaker 6: to the fourth quarter, it starts turnings as like you
Speaker 6: don't even take off your helmet, Yes, go to the sideline,
Speaker 6: make a quick adjustment. We're back out there. And it's hard, man.
Speaker 1: It hurts.
Speaker 6: It hurts because when you're on defense, your job is
Speaker 6: to stop them from scoring, and then offense, their job
Speaker 6: is to score. And when they don't score, when they
Speaker 6: get a quick three and out, it hurts us defensive players.
Speaker 6: It's you start doing more plays than you're supposed to,
Speaker 6: and your body start getting tired, and you know, your
Speaker 6: mind start having these laps during the game because you're
Speaker 6: having so many plays and and okay, it.
Speaker 1: Happened in the Baylor game. I mean was killing them.
Speaker 1: It was killing them on defense. We was stopping everything.
Speaker 6: Then all of a sudden, that one big play and
Speaker 6: it just happens to be at the same time where
Speaker 6: we kept getting three and outs, like the offense kept
Speaker 6: getting three and out.
Speaker 1: The defense can only go so long.
Speaker 6: Before we start like having that like all right, right,
Speaker 6: come all right, yeah, put us on offense.
Speaker 1: Then let's make let us do right. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so hard.
Speaker 6: It's a hard effect to kind of think back to
Speaker 6: the times that Brian Johnson. I think about that Air
Speaker 6: Force game in two thousand and seven to two thousand
Speaker 6: and eight, two thousand and nine, the undefeated season. We
Speaker 6: went down here to Arizona and it was a lot
Speaker 6: of three and outs, and then VJ threw a interception
Speaker 6: that got ticked to the crib and we was on
Speaker 6: defense looking at each other like, man, we can't even
Speaker 6: we can't even stop them from scoring because they just
Speaker 6: scored without us on the field.
Speaker 1: So it's hard, though, it's very, very hard.
Speaker 6: It's a it's a mental it's mentally challenging when you're
Speaker 6: on that sideline and you're looking at the offense and
Speaker 6: it's like, all right, y'all, come.
Speaker 1: On, yeah, we we need you. Yeah you know, so
Speaker 1: let me ask you about Cameron cam Rising. So I've
Speaker 1: heard coaches and other media types talk about the necessity
Speaker 1: of trying to get him to understand how important he is,
Speaker 1: and therefore slider throw it out of bounce. I just
Speaker 1: think I just think Cam is Cam, and if he
Speaker 1: sees the lane and he thinks he can go get seven,
Speaker 1: he's gonna go get seven if he gets if he
Speaker 1: gets blitzed and he's under duress, he's gonna try to
Speaker 1: get out of it. Yes, I would like him to
Speaker 1: throw it away. I would like him to get down
Speaker 1: because we all know for you Tah to win the
Speaker 1: Big twelve seven has to be under center. Is it
Speaker 1: possible to rewire an athlete's brain to say, look, you're
Speaker 1: too important, please don't be so aggressive. I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't know that you can do that and and
Speaker 6: and not against you, but I believe that you can.
Speaker 1: That's good. You can practice habits. So practice habits.
Speaker 6: I mean, like I mean, probably everybody that's listening, or
Speaker 6: everybody that's a big football fan. I know they watched
Speaker 6: the Hard Knocks. They watch Hard Knocks, and on one episode,
Speaker 6: even though I hate talking about this guy, like, I mean,
Speaker 6: there's nothing against him, but his fingernails just throw me off.
Speaker 6: So so Caleb Williams like he he uh not, Caleb
Speaker 6: is well. Caleb yeah, okay, yeah, So in one episode
Speaker 6: they had them doing sliding.
Speaker 1: They was doing not the water slide, they was doing
Speaker 1: like a slide.
Speaker 6: Was doing a sliper slide because they were trying to
Speaker 6: teach him how to slide. It shows it's showing up
Speaker 6: in the games now, like Caleb is sliding and to me,
Speaker 6: I'm like, I doubt that he had that when he
Speaker 6: was at USC because every time you look up he
Speaker 6: was running and you get hit or something happened. But
Speaker 6: now it's like that muscle memory is starting to kick
Speaker 6: in of like just slide and he's doing it now
Speaker 6: with Cam. Cam is a beast, he's a baller man.
Speaker 6: He's he wants to he wants to score. Like you
Speaker 6: said every time you got the boy, you want to score.
Speaker 6: But we need you, we need you it's a slide
Speaker 6: or we need you to get rid of the ball early.
Speaker 6: Just throw out of bounce, you know, like we can
Speaker 6: live to fight another day. But when you get injured
Speaker 6: and they hear what you just said me watch I
Speaker 6: watched it on TV at the Baylor game and really
Speaker 6: on TV you can see that the crowd just wasn't
Speaker 6: the same. Oh yeah, and it's weird, like as you're
Speaker 6: watching it from a game, like when you're at the stadium,
Speaker 6: you can feel all this, but then.
Speaker 1: Watching it through TV, you don't supposed to fill it.
Speaker 6: But then for me, I'm like, oh, this is happening,
Speaker 6: Like this is this is really happening. Like our our
Speaker 6: offense is at a stop sign forever, you know, and
Speaker 6: it's like what is going on? But number seven wasn't
Speaker 6: under the center, and Coach Witt said that after the
Speaker 6: first quarter on TV. Coach Witt said like like there
Speaker 6: was like, how's the offense so successful?
Speaker 1: This is that coach?
Speaker 6: I can't say quote for quote because I know when
Speaker 6: I watched it, I laugh. He was like he was
Speaker 6: like Cam rising, Yep, He's like Cam raise. He's like, Cam,
Speaker 6: make the team go. And and when Cam is filling it,
Speaker 6: it's it's just contagious. And then all of a sudden
Speaker 6: you get hurt and it's like it's contagious to the opposite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, before I set you loose, let's get into
Speaker 1: tomorrow a little bit. So sounds like Isaac is going
Speaker 1: to be undersenter. He's been taking first team raps according
Speaker 1: to reports, and don't rush Cam back for sure, eighteen
Speaker 1: point favorite utaias, so they should be fine without Cam.
Speaker 1: What does success look like tomorrow? In logan with Isaac
Speaker 1: hutter Center talk about the dynamic of Utah State. It's
Speaker 1: not Utah BYU, but it's an in state game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so tell me what you think success looks like, Rojo
Speaker 1: tomorrow before I set you lose.
Speaker 6: I mean, first off, the rival was definitely something where
Speaker 6: players step up and start playing out of their body,
Speaker 6: like having those outer body experiences. And Utah State has
Speaker 6: always been our little brother, so it's it's they're gonna
Speaker 6: come out firing. But for us, the way I feel
Speaker 6: is that I'm very happy that Isaac was able to
Speaker 6: get those first team reps for a full week, which
Speaker 6: I am hoping that Coach Lovewick opens up the playbook
Speaker 6: a little bit and maybe this would be the best
Speaker 6: time to try some of those plays that's normally for Cam.
Speaker 6: Let's try him for Isaac since he had a full
Speaker 6: week of practice, and let's see how it goes, because
Speaker 6: you just never know.
Speaker 1: It's a long season.
Speaker 6: I believe loans we don't have any turnovers on offense
Speaker 6: and we just play control ball like because that's what
Speaker 6: coach Lovewick. Offense is control a ball, control that time managed.
Speaker 6: Be a time manager, don't be just a risk taker.
Speaker 6: I believe that Isaac can play a really good game
Speaker 6: because he had the full week and no turnovers. That's
Speaker 6: the goal, not having turnovers. But you never know, but
Speaker 6: the goal is not to have turnovers and we will
Speaker 6: be fine because I'm not looking for us to dominate
Speaker 6: this game and just destroy them. I'm just looking for
Speaker 6: us just to get out alive. Yeah, because we still
Speaker 6: gotta play down there and Logan Logan is not no
Speaker 6: easy spot. Like they come and they come into play,
Speaker 6: They're gonna come to give us the noise and they
Speaker 6: gonna do what they need to do as a Utah state,
Speaker 6: they gonna do what they have to. But we just
Speaker 6: got to reduce the turnovers and try our best to
Speaker 6: reduce injuries because it seemed like every year the next
Speaker 6: man up has been our main thing. So I'm just
Speaker 6: hoping for no turnovers, like like I'm hoping for no
Speaker 6: big turnovers. Like it's okay to have him every like
Speaker 6: you know, every blue moon, But a big turnover is
Speaker 6: if he fumbled, they scoop and score or pick six. Yeah,
Speaker 6: like those are those are hard because now you're playing
Speaker 6: from behind. So I'm just hoping that, like Isaac, control it,
Speaker 6: do what you need to do, and I believe we'll
Speaker 6: be find loans. He just let's just run the ball,
Speaker 6: forget it, Let's just run play action short, don't throw
Speaker 6: anything deep, and then maybe once we get the lead up,
Speaker 6: then start stretching it, like open up the playbook and
Speaker 6: see how he reacts to it. Because he's a good kid.
Speaker 6: He's a very good kid. I met him. I met
Speaker 6: him at one at an event walking through the university.
Speaker 1: I met him.
Speaker 6: She's short, but because I'm tall, and he talked to
Speaker 6: me normal. And this is before I mentioned to him like, hey,
Speaker 6: I played for the team and he was like, wait,
Speaker 6: what y'all played for the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: He's just a nice young man. I think his parents
Speaker 6: raising really really well.
Speaker 1: Good man. Hey, great to see Okay, Hey, thank you Rojoe,
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Speaker 1: Buckmeyer joins us next right here. It's not a big show,
Speaker 1: big hour coming your way with Craig boiler Jacket and
Speaker 1: Gordon Monson. Also college football so far, But how about
Speaker 1: a little golf on a Friday, Because golf on a Friday, well,
Speaker 1: golf on any day is always good. And our guy
Speaker 1: Paul Pugmyer joins us. All Happy Friday, sir. How are you.
Speaker 2: Doing great, Spencer? How are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm well so did you experience the rice ecles golf situation.
Speaker 1: Did you end up going and playing?
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to make it up there. Darn it
Speaker 2: sounds like so much fun.
Speaker 1: Oh rats, Okay, well we can move on.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: I just wanted because I want to know how it was.
Speaker 1: But if you weren't there, you wouldn't know how it was,
Speaker 1: So we can move on from it. Pa, here's my
Speaker 1: question to you, sir, on a Friday, as our golf
Speaker 1: expert on the radio station, what does it mean that
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour is returning to Utah for the first
Speaker 1: time in more than sixty years.
Speaker 2: It is such a big deal. So the Utah Opened
Speaker 2: that was just played here a few weeks ago at
Speaker 2: Riverside used to be a PGA Tour stop and some
Speaker 2: of the greatest names in the game have been here
Speaker 2: to play that tour event. Ben Hogan, Arnold Palmer, Keim Venturi,
Speaker 2: Holy Cal Bob Rosberg won it one year. Great great
Speaker 2: names back when it was a tour stop in that
Speaker 2: time frame. But in the late nineteen sixties, the tour
Speaker 2: was undergoing some reorganization and various factors came into play,
Speaker 2: and the Utah Open was no longer a PGA Tour event.
Speaker 2: So it's been sixty two years since the PGA Tour
Speaker 2: has been in Utah. That will change here in a
Speaker 2: few weeks at Black Desert when the PGA Tour comes
Speaker 2: back to Utah at the new Black Desert Resort. I
Speaker 2: played it last week. It is spectacular and it will
Speaker 2: be a really fun, interesting test for the greatest players
Speaker 2: in the world.
Speaker 1: Take the time and remind everybody. The Black Desert Championship
Speaker 1: is October ninth through the thirteenth, and Black Desert Result short.
Speaker 1: Like I said, return of the PGA Tour for the
Speaker 1: first time in more than sixty years. Tickets available at
Speaker 1: Black Desert Events dot com. Follow them on Instagram at
Speaker 1: Black Black Desert Championship, Paul, Since you played there recently,
Speaker 1: I played there, I think about three months ago, and
Speaker 1: we had the chairman on the show a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks back, and I told them I walked into the
Speaker 1: clubhouse and I chuckled when I saw a handwritten sign
Speaker 1: that said something like, don't worry, We'll be ready, because
Speaker 1: I can tell you three months ago they were not ready, okay,
Speaker 1: by their own admission. So you played there recently, are
Speaker 1: they prepared for the world of golf to descend upon
Speaker 1: them coming up in just a few.
Speaker 2: Weeks as of today. No, but the question is will
Speaker 2: they be ready? And I'm confident they will be for
Speaker 2: two reasons. I've been making trips down there for the
Speaker 2: past couple of years every two or three months, and
Speaker 2: every two or three months, and especially this last week.
Speaker 2: It is a different look at different place, and the
Speaker 2: amount of progress it's being made and the pace it's
Speaker 2: being made is staggering. Plus, I have come to understand
Speaker 2: that Patrick Manning, the director at and the CEO at
Speaker 2: Black Desert Resorts, he delivers. This is a guy who
Speaker 2: gets things done and makes things happen, and he says
Speaker 2: it's going to be ready, and I have complete confidence
Speaker 2: in him.
Speaker 1: All Right, Paul, maybe too early for this, but of
Speaker 1: course I'm very curious because I'm debating going down. I
Speaker 1: probably should, but we'll see if I can make it happen.
Speaker 1: But I would like to know who I'm paying to
Speaker 1: see play golf, Any idea what that field will look like,
Speaker 1: and any thoughts about well, who you'd like to see
Speaker 1: let's talk about the field. Where are we at with that?
Speaker 2: So this is a part of the PGA Tours FedEx
Speaker 2: Fall Series. They call it the Fall Series, and everybody,
Speaker 2: everybody with a Tour card is eligible and able and
Speaker 2: invite it to play. But you tend to get the
Speaker 2: players who are looking to improve status, players who are
Speaker 2: just outside the top fifty, trying to play their way
Speaker 2: into the top fifty for the for the coming year.
Speaker 2: Players on the bubble one way or another, on the
Speaker 2: top one twenty five, and that's the magic number because
Speaker 2: that's tour status right there. And so players like our
Speaker 2: own Patrick Fishburn and Zach Blair. Fishburn goes into this
Speaker 2: week down at Silverado in the Pro Core. He goes
Speaker 2: in number one two, Zach Blair goes in number one thirteen.
Speaker 2: Those guys will be playing in the Fall Series and
Speaker 2: they're both committed to play at Black Desert to protect
Speaker 2: their status in the top one twenty five. And then
Speaker 2: there's players right outside the top one twenty five trying
Speaker 2: to play their way in. You will get some of
Speaker 2: the players in the top fifty who play for various reasons,
Speaker 2: maybe to stay tuned up in preparation for next year's
Speaker 2: FedEx Cup season that starts in January, maybe to because
Speaker 2: it's a course they like or a town they like
Speaker 2: to take their family to, any number of reasons. So
Speaker 2: you're seeing a handful of the top fifty, and you're
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of the players just below there who
Speaker 2: are looking to protect and enhance their status for next year.
Speaker 1: Any chance we see Tony I've heard rumors that, you know,
Speaker 1: some sponsors have cobbled together the necessary cash. I can't
Speaker 1: collaborate that. Any chance we see Tony Fenow playing in
Speaker 1: the tournament.
Speaker 2: Absolutely a chance. He hasn't committed yet, but we do
Speaker 2: expect actually that he will be there. We know that
Speaker 2: Patrick Fishburn and Zach Blair will be there. We know
Speaker 2: that Mike Weir will be there. In what I think
Speaker 2: is so far the best golf story of the year
Speaker 2: in Utah, jay Don Blake a Saint George native who
Speaker 2: grew up just down the street, right literally down the
Speaker 2: street from where Black Desert is now. Wasn't there when
Speaker 2: he was a kid, but when he was a kid,
Speaker 2: he lived down the street from where Black Desert is
Speaker 2: now and has stayed in Saint George his entire life.
Speaker 2: He has four hundred and ninety nine career starts on
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour. He has been given an exemption into
Speaker 2: this event. On Thursday, when he hits his t shot
Speaker 2: and gets his official five hundredth start on the PGA Tour,
Speaker 2: he'll be doing it in his hometown. With the PGA
Speaker 2: Tour coming back to Utah for the first time in
Speaker 2: sixty two years. It is a fantastic event and a
Speaker 2: great story.
Speaker 1: Since you and I last spoke, beca, Scottie Scheffler was struggling.
Speaker 1: He was having a rough year. He hadn't made very
Speaker 1: much money. Obviously, I kid Scotty takes on the Tour
Speaker 1: Championship in East Lake A cool what twenty five mil?
Speaker 1: So he and you know what, isn't it fitting like
Speaker 1: it should have been him? Gold medal, all the things,
Speaker 1: all these what was it, nine to ten wins this year,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen in forever. So give me your take
Speaker 1: on Scotty's performance in the Tour Championship and give us
Speaker 1: a perspective on the season that we just saw from
Speaker 1: the world number one.
Speaker 2: We saw one of the great seasons ever in the
Speaker 2: history of the game. Not the greatest, but one of them,
Speaker 2: certainly in the mix for one of the top five
Speaker 2: greatest seasons ever. It's going to be hard, ever to
Speaker 2: beat Tiger Woods two thousand. I think you've got to
Speaker 2: World War two. Notwithstanding, you've got to include Byron Nilson
Speaker 2: nineteen forty five in the mix in these discussions. VJ.
Speaker 2: Singh two thousand and nine. But this season that Scottie
Speaker 2: Scheffler just had had some markers on it that were
Speaker 2: really impressive. First of all, it included a major. In
Speaker 2: a great season, must include a major. Secondly, the other
Speaker 2: tournaments that he won are what are now these elevated tournaments.
Speaker 2: But think about these and the courses that he plays.
Speaker 2: He won the Players again on TPC Sawgrass, a great
Speaker 2: golf course and a great tournament that I think will
Speaker 2: ultimately be treated as a major championship. He won Jack's
Speaker 2: tournament on Mirfield Village. He won Arnie's tournament at bay Hill.
Speaker 2: He won the gold medal, and even though that's not
Speaker 2: an official win, finding anybody who doesn't care, I care,
Speaker 2: it matters. It's the Olympics. We won the gold medal
Speaker 2: in the Olympics. And then even though it was the
Speaker 2: side of the tournament that he won at the Tour Championship,
Speaker 2: he did what he had to do to get the
Speaker 2: official win there and that's Bobby Jones home course. So
Speaker 2: you add all that up and it was a season
Speaker 2: for the Ages, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Also, the President's Cup team was announced Scott e Xander,
Speaker 1: Colin Morikawa, Wyndham Clark can't lay so he tagalags thrilled
Speaker 1: for that young kid, Keegan Bradley. Come on, I mean,
Speaker 1: who doesn't love seeing Keegan's name on at Sam Burns
Speaker 1: are very on, Tony fenw Ryan Harmon, Russell Henley and Maxoma.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on you know, the cliche question snubs? Did
Speaker 1: they get it right? What are your thoughts on the
Speaker 1: President's Cup team?
Speaker 2: Fascinating to me that Keegan Bradley didn't pull himself out.
Speaker 2: He is the incoming Ryder Cup captain. I get that
Speaker 2: he's a player first, I get the juice's flow they
Speaker 2: do with this all they sure do with that guy.
Speaker 2: I would have thought that he would have said, no,
Speaker 2: I'm going to focus on being a Ryder Cup captain.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be an assistant, have to learn all
Speaker 2: I can and really focus on that me personally. If
Speaker 2: I was in Jim Ferick's place, the captain of the
Speaker 2: American side, I would have taken I would have taken
Speaker 2: Justin Thomas. I think Justin Thomas is a generational talent
Speaker 2: with a a proven record in these events, and he
Speaker 2: was just a little bit outside the points on this.
Speaker 2: I would have taken him. But yeah, all yea. Add
Speaker 2: it all up, and look, this is an incredibly deep
Speaker 2: and talented American team. I think that the international team
Speaker 2: will be able to compete, but everything's going to have
Speaker 2: to bounce right for them to get a victory.
Speaker 1: Tell us, and when I say, I mean me too,
Speaker 1: you know, because I still a minia fight here. I'm learning.
Speaker 1: I had no one cares about the round I had
Speaker 1: last week. It was so sad. I was like, why
Speaker 1: do I do this? It was so sad.
Speaker 7: I care.
Speaker 1: It did not go well, Paul, it did not go
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I grinded to in eighty seven. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm to the point now where if it's between
Speaker 1: seventy eight and eighty four, I'm good. Anything above eighty
Speaker 1: four bombed. Anything below seventy eight, I'm thrilled, But nobody cares.
Speaker 1: It was bad. I know you care. We'll talk off air,
Speaker 1: so you know. Recently, I'll admit this was the first
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup I watched and I watched start to finish,
Speaker 1: I sacrifice sleep, you know, and I loved it even
Speaker 1: though we got smashed. So tell us tell me about
Speaker 1: the President's Cup, about where they're playing and the track
Speaker 1: at format and what we should expect from the American team.
Speaker 2: Format is virtually identical to the Ryder Cup, so if
Speaker 2: you're familiar with that, you know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: There will be a four ball what the Scotts call
Speaker 2: a fourball, but that's the best ball. There will be
Speaker 2: an alternate shot where the players play every other shot.
Speaker 2: There will be the head to hit singles, which are
Speaker 2: always the most fun matches, and that will wrap up
Speaker 2: the week. One of the differences between the President's Cup
Speaker 2: and the Ryder Cup that I really like and think
Speaker 2: that the President's Cup gets right is that when they're
Speaker 2: doing the pairings on the Ryder Cup, the captains submit
Speaker 2: their choices and match one player A, match two player B,
Speaker 2: and it's just on paper and then you don't know
Speaker 2: what's coming. The pairings are live on the on the
Speaker 2: the President's Cup, they'll say, okay, I choose Scotty Scheffler,
Speaker 2: and then the then it's the the international turn time
Speaker 2: in this case, it will be chair, it will be
Speaker 2: Captain Mike Weir, our own Mike Weir, and he'll say, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put I'm going to put Adam Scott against
Speaker 2: Scotty Scheffler. And then it's then it's where's turn to
Speaker 2: go first? And he says, I'm throwing out to Deckie Mantziyama.
Speaker 2: And then it'll be Ferri's turn to say, okay, Manciyama,
Speaker 2: all right, then I'm going to give you Kegan Bradley
Speaker 2: or Manziama, whatever it is. But that that live matching
Speaker 2: is so cool to watch and so compelling to see
Speaker 2: how how the the captains and their assistants go through
Speaker 2: the pairing process. That's a lot of fun. You asked
Speaker 2: about the course, Royal Montreal, one of the great courses
Speaker 2: in the world, an old school parkland course that is
Speaker 2: very mature at this point and it has a lot
Speaker 2: of history. This is the course where Captain Mike Weir,
Speaker 2: then a player on the international side, took down Tiger
Speaker 2: Woods at Tiger's Prime, got a point in the President's Cup,
Speaker 2: wasn't enough for the International side to win, but everybody
Speaker 2: still remembers when Mike Weir took down Tiger Woods in
Speaker 2: the President's Cup that was at Royal Montreal, and so
Speaker 2: you've got Mike were a native Canadian at Royal Montreal
Speaker 2: where he had one of his great moments as a player.
Speaker 2: And it's going to be a stirring thing. I will
Speaker 2: be there. We will be doing the Utah Golf Radio
Speaker 2: Show live from Royal Montreal on that shot. Cannot wait.
Speaker 1: Wait, what did you just say? Did you say you're
Speaker 1: doing your show on site at the President's Cup?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, hold who Porter Hop on the micro quick who
Speaker 1: on this station hosts a very highly listened to, highly
Speaker 1: rated afternoon drive program.
Speaker 3: Is that me on Saturdays? It's Paul pug Meyer.
Speaker 1: Well, but why can't I get an invite Paul to
Speaker 1: any of this stuff? Why do you freeze me out
Speaker 1: of the cool things you do being Paul pug Meyer.
Speaker 1: I'm very upset on a Friday.
Speaker 2: Now, you know, I'll bet you we can still make
Speaker 2: it happen.
Speaker 7: Spencer.
Speaker 1: Let's go all right, I'm gonna hold you to it. Porter.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be out of remote in Montreal all the
Speaker 1: week before the President's Cup just so you know, I
Speaker 1: will make it happen. Okay, thank you. I can't I
Speaker 1: get I'm thrilled for you. It's just good to be
Speaker 1: Paul pug Meyer. As I say all the time, find
Speaker 1: something you love the way Paul pug Meyer loves golf.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. It feels like the Ryder
Speaker 1: Cup is a bigger deal. I don't houlse to put
Speaker 1: it feels like the Ryder Cup is a bigger deal
Speaker 1: than the President Is that fair to say it's the
Speaker 1: only it's the neo fi way I'm putting it today.
Speaker 2: No, it's a good way to put it. It's completely
Speaker 2: accurate and it is true. Yes, it is a bigger deal.
Speaker 2: It is older and has more history and because of that,
Speaker 2: yes it is. Plus, the President's Cup has has lacked
Speaker 2: a rallying identity for the for the international team. When
Speaker 2: when Ernie Els was the captain, he put a lot
Speaker 2: of effort into creating a logo and creating a way
Speaker 2: of talking about the international team to bring them together
Speaker 2: as one. And even though the Ryder Cup side is
Speaker 2: against the European team, that actually is a fairly recent
Speaker 2: change that Jack Nicholas was instrumental in bringing about. Because
Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup got its start as a great Britain
Speaker 2: versus America thing, and America was too dominant. And this
Speaker 2: was back in the time when Sevi Biasteros and Bernhard
Speaker 2: Langer were coming into their own and Jack Nicholas said,
Speaker 2: let's make this more competitive. Let's make expand the Great
Speaker 2: Britain team to be all of Europe. Let's Spring Bia
Speaker 2: Steros and longer into this, and that made everything more
Speaker 2: competitive for everybody, and it really led to the Ryder
Speaker 2: Cup becoming must watch TV and completely compelling. And so
Speaker 2: the President's Cup has lacked that unifying.
Speaker 7: Thread, but they're getting to it.
Speaker 2: And I think that the international team is getting stronger
Speaker 2: as we get deeper into this, and that maybe not
Speaker 2: this year, probably not this year, but I think it
Speaker 2: will become more evenly balanced.
Speaker 1: Is jan going to the President's Cup?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: All right, okay, I just I wanted to know how
Speaker 1: mad I need to be on a Friday. Let's move
Speaker 1: on from it. Okay, Actually, real quick, isn't saying Mike
Speaker 1: hours the same thing as saying lowry marketing is ours?
Speaker 1: Like if he's our, shouldn't he? I don't know Mike
Speaker 1: Weirs is it's Canada's Mike Weir, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Nope, We're very happy to share him with Canada because
Speaker 2: Mike grew up in Canada and retains his Canadian citizenship
Speaker 2: as a dual citizen. But Mike Weir went to college
Speaker 2: at Brigham Young University and fell in love with Utah.
Speaker 2: I get that, and he stayed. He has been a
Speaker 2: full time resident of Utah since he was in college,
Speaker 2: and he continues with that today. He's a Utah All.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, all right, Paul, before I set you loose,
Speaker 1: you will not be in Montreal tomorrow, but tell our
Speaker 1: listeners where you'll be and what the latest is in
Speaker 1: the world of local golf.
Speaker 2: We'll be in the Mothership, We'll be in the studio tomorrow.
Speaker 2: But there is so much going on in Utah golf
Speaker 2: that we're going to be talking about. We've We're going
Speaker 2: to be talking with dus In Bulk, the new Utah
Speaker 2: PGA Section Championship champion winner. We're going to be with
Speaker 2: Colby Callen updating everybody on the Utah exemptions that were
Speaker 2: announced this week at Black Desert, and we're going to
Speaker 2: be talking with coach Garrett Clegg about the incredible record
Speaker 2: setting performance from the University of Utah golf team.
Speaker 5: This week.
Speaker 2: Half the record book was rewritten in a massively stirring
Speaker 2: win that the youths had up at Washington State. We'll
Speaker 2: talk with Coach Cleig about that.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the time, I'm mad at you. Well chat soon, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: good right, all right, Paul pug Meyer check him out
Speaker 1: Utah Golf Radio tomorrow. What what's the deal? I need
Speaker 1: to have a conversation with upper management my remotes. Next week.
Speaker 1: I think I'm at the Snowmobile show, right, I think
Speaker 1: I'm there next week?
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 1: I believe I'm at a jewelry store in Ogden. You are,
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, I'm fine with that. And
Speaker 1: Paul Pugmyer goes to Montreal for the Resident's Cup to
Speaker 1: do a show.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I'm a little jealous of that one too.
Speaker 1: I just need to know how the business is done
Speaker 1: at this company.
Speaker 3: I think I think the golf show kind of that's
Speaker 3: their whole thing.
Speaker 1: But maybe I'll start doing my own thing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there we go. I'll go do a radio
Speaker 3: show from the Olympics, from the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Wherever, wherever. Good for Paul all Right, Paul Today courtesy
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Speaker 5: How you do see?
Speaker 1: Is Friday the thirteenth? You superstitious? No? Not really? It
Speaker 1: did enter my mind, yeah, but I've never been superstitious.
Speaker 1: Maybe a little stitious? What about your Yeah?
Speaker 8: I think kind of numbers do kind of bug me.
Speaker 8: Maybe I'll work with too many numbers. Maybe that's what
Speaker 8: it is. And so the thirteen pops up and I
Speaker 8: don't think about it on a regular day, but a
Speaker 8: thirteen on a Friday?
Speaker 1: Are you superstitious? A little? You know?
Speaker 8: I think it's the business because I get into habits
Speaker 8: of how you approach every game and where I sit
Speaker 8: on a plane. You know, there's so many hours, and
Speaker 8: if I don't sit in the same row or the
Speaker 8: same seat, which is almost ninety nine percent of the time,
Speaker 8: sometimes they've moved this around. I'm going, Man, I don't
Speaker 8: like this, Yeah, because I'm so comfortable and I look
Speaker 8: around and see the same people all the time. But yeah,
Speaker 8: I think so. I think you kind of get into
Speaker 8: most people do. Some people could care less, but I
Speaker 8: think over I think I'm an overthinker when it comes
Speaker 8: to that.
Speaker 1: Hey, I wanted to say to you, thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for living up to your commitment of
Speaker 1: coming in the studio to do the show. Yes, it
Speaker 1: is sponsored by Big O'd Time, so it says a
Speaker 1: lot about you.
Speaker 8: And your character. I appreciate that. Yeah, look I see
Speaker 8: an empty seat. Yeah, but I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 8: the type of guy.
Speaker 1: No, I want to focus on you to talk much
Speaker 1: about that, because you show up, you do the work.
Speaker 1: You're not all talk. You're about action. So let's just
Speaker 1: you know, it feels like this segment's going really well. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's smooth with the two of us live in studio, man,
Speaker 1: because we're men of our work. Yes, smooth, Porter is
Speaker 1: Gordon on the phone? Okay, hey, uh is there someone
Speaker 1: on the other end of the line. Is Do I
Speaker 1: hear a voice there? Hello? Hello, hello, hello, Hello? Come in?
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 7: I'll tell you what Come in? Come in here, I'll
Speaker 7: tell you what's on the single of the line.
Speaker 1: Where are you? Where are you? Why aren't you hanging
Speaker 1: out with us on a Friday? Is this ship to shore?
Speaker 1: What's going on? Well?
Speaker 7: Okay, you should I be honest.
Speaker 1: I always prefer honesty. I think it's the best way
Speaker 1: to go. But that's just us too. You do your thing.
Speaker 1: If you want to make up something really good, that's okay.
Speaker 7: Okay, So this is that was good?
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 7: I uh. I was planning on doing the show on Thursdays,
Speaker 7: like we usually do, so I scheduled a rather costly
Speaker 7: golf outing and it was the kind of golf outing
Speaker 7: you can't get out though, So I thought, if I
Speaker 7: want to lose all that money, I'll come into the studio.
Speaker 7: But I blamed for because I thought it was I
Speaker 7: thought it was Thursday.
Speaker 1: Well, real quick, did you get invited on this golf outing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I did not? Ye did I? No?
Speaker 8: No telling. Do you want to share with the listeners.
Speaker 8: I mean, is it close by or Bandon Dunes, You
Speaker 8: down at the new course in Saint George, or I've.
Speaker 7: Never been on Bandon Dune's, but I planned to. My
Speaker 7: problem was going there, Augusta. I'm afraid of the I'm
Speaker 7: afraid that the weather will be in clinics.
Speaker 1: You know what you're at? Black You're a black desert.
Speaker 7: Aren't you.
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 7: No, I'm not, but I need to get there too.
Speaker 1: All right, well, where are you, Gordon? Let's stop good.
Speaker 7: I don't want to get too specific, but let me
Speaker 7: put this away. I'm in the mountains, m.
Speaker 1: But Promontory. You're a Promontory.
Speaker 7: I was broken hearted because I wanted to come, come
Speaker 7: hang out with you guys. They're all planned for yesterday.
Speaker 1: But no, it could be at Wasatch State Park. Lost
Speaker 1: at is not an expensive out for money, not for
Speaker 1: money bags mons, just the Crater Right Homestead, which is
Speaker 1: going private. I'm thinking Promontory or Victory Ranch. Gordon, Am
Speaker 1: I close?
Speaker 5: You could be?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, all right, all right, snob, let's move on.
Speaker 1: Let's we'll take advantage of the time we have with
Speaker 1: and then we'll let him go. So Gordo we'll just
Speaker 1: start with you. Let's let's do a little Utah football.
Speaker 1: Let's do a little cam rising. Okay, we talked about
Speaker 1: this last week. Can you really rewire an aggressive athlete's
Speaker 1: brain to throw it out of bounds or get down?
Speaker 1: I don't know that the answer is yes. I could
Speaker 1: be wrong. It's only week three and we're talking about
Speaker 1: an injury to camp. Gordon, what do you think?
Speaker 7: It's exactly what we said, Bence, he said, exactly right.
Speaker 7: I wrote about it. It's just like it's like it's
Speaker 7: like telling Einstein not to think, or Edison not to
Speaker 7: invent our Shakespeare that he could only write in short sentences,
Speaker 7: you know, or or you know, it's like telling Donald
Speaker 7: Trump not to lie so much. You know. I mean,
Speaker 7: it just it ain't happening. It ain't happen it you
Speaker 7: can't change.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 7: I thought maybe he would have listened to the coaches,
Speaker 7: because the coaches of stress is all through camp, you
Speaker 7: know that. And I was a little surprised when I
Speaker 7: saw the play he got hurt on because it was
Speaker 7: the exact kind of play that Andy Ludwig has probably
Speaker 7: gone over with him a thousand times, saying don't do this.
Speaker 7: And it's exactly what he did.
Speaker 1: So Buller the play where he was injured, what really
Speaker 1: And in real time, I'm like, dude, it's early down, Okay,
Speaker 1: you have good field position. He's running to his left,
Speaker 1: the ball is in his left hand, and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: this won't end well. Now in real time, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a penalty. I rewatched it and I still
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day it probably is.
Speaker 1: But the contact started in bounds. What do you make
Speaker 1: of the play where Cam got hurt?
Speaker 8: I thought both players were over aggressive and so that's
Speaker 8: the outcome.
Speaker 1: So what a quarterback you give? Chase? Your learning it?
Speaker 8: Almost from my experience, you see a quarterback out loose,
Speaker 8: it's fair game and the meat hooks come out, man,
Speaker 8: because you want to take him down.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what happened.
Speaker 8: What went down And look, I thought, throw it away,
Speaker 8: throw it away, get down, And I thought this you know,
Speaker 8: and you brought Can you take an aggressive attitude out
Speaker 8: of an athlete?
Speaker 1: And I'm convinced no. All you do you can try.
Speaker 8: To rewire the guy, but in reality he may buy
Speaker 8: in for a couple of snaps, but when he's out
Speaker 8: in the open like that, then the instincts kick and.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I saw him do.
Speaker 8: I thought, Okay, he's gonna motor, he's gonna prove everybody
Speaker 8: again and himself that the wheels are good. And he's
Speaker 8: a big, strong cat and he's back and all of
Speaker 8: a sudden it turns upside down. I thought it was
Speaker 8: an aggressive play by him, which shouldn't have been a
Speaker 8: very aggressive play by the defender. And of course, bad
Speaker 8: placement for about a half a dozen gatorade whatever, and
Speaker 8: and equipment, you know, carriage or carriers, and you know,
Speaker 8: when he looked when he rolled in hit, I thought, okay,
Speaker 8: maybe then he looked at his hand, I thought, wow,
Speaker 8: did he dislocate? But instead it's a laceration. And now
Speaker 8: you don't know what the outcome will be.
Speaker 7: So let's guys go ahead, guys, I thought, I thought
Speaker 7: it was an absolute cheap shot. I you know, because
Speaker 7: I understand the aggressive of the defensive, EVENCI player two
Speaker 7: hundred and ninety pounds, you know, so fleet for the dude.
Speaker 7: And when I saw what he was doing, I thought, oh.
Speaker 7: The second I saw it, I thought, that's trouble. And
Speaker 7: then when Cam flew into the gear aage stand. It
Speaker 7: was like, something's got to be hurt. So I don't
Speaker 7: know what it was.
Speaker 8: What it would be shoulder, hey, goal turned underneath. You
Speaker 8: know what remind me of a little Gordo the day
Speaker 8: of Taysom Hill. The days of Taysom Hill where he
Speaker 8: was injured. A great athlete, but multiple injuries running and
Speaker 8: most of those occurred as he was heading out of bounds.
Speaker 1: An exactly the same thing happened to Camp.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I just you've got to put it in
Speaker 7: your mind. Play smart. Your team needs you. You saw
Speaker 7: the difference between the first half and the second half.
Speaker 7: It was like two different teams in that first half. Guys,
Speaker 7: I was thinking, there's a playoff team. It's a playoff team.
Speaker 7: Second half, Holy hell, are these guys even gonna finish
Speaker 7: five hundred without this guy? They meet him and Kyle
Speaker 7: with them probably just said, look, Kyle, I know how
Speaker 7: you're wired. I want you to go watch film with
Speaker 7: Dan Marino and watch him throw the ball away anytime
Speaker 7: he's pressured. Just do that. Because the utes can't abide
Speaker 7: the loss.
Speaker 5: Of that guy.
Speaker 1: So let's move into the space of what it's going
Speaker 1: to look like coming up, because Bullard to Gordon's points.
Speaker 1: And I was at the game and actually went down
Speaker 1: to watch the fourth quarter on the sideline and see
Speaker 1: if I could get any information about Cam. And you
Speaker 1: could tell the air just evaporate from the stadium when
Speaker 1: he got hurt. You could tell he, you know, walks
Speaker 1: out in street clothes. There was kind of a funny
Speaker 1: little moment where somebody from the muss yelled at him, Cam,
Speaker 1: give us thumbs up if you're okay, which he did,
Speaker 1: and you know that obviously is comforting. But okay, isaacsure two,
Speaker 1: We get it. That's what you've said, Isaacs, you're two,
Speaker 1: all right, He's eighteen. He disenrolled in April, So I'm
Speaker 1: absolutely about observation, not conclusion. But here's the deal, Craig,
Speaker 1: if Isaac'su're two, it asked to look better than it
Speaker 1: did on set. I agree.
Speaker 8: You had Rojo Robert Johnson on in the three o'clock hour,
Speaker 8: and I thought that was pretty I thought he was
Speaker 8: very insightful.
Speaker 1: It's real simple.
Speaker 8: Here's an eighteen year old backing up a potential All
Speaker 8: American or a Heisman supposed early season candidate, and now
Speaker 8: he's the guy for the time being and that's difficult
Speaker 8: to take over a top ten team and predicted to be,
Speaker 8: you know, in the running for a Big twelve championship
Speaker 8: and beyond.
Speaker 1: And I think Gordo would agree.
Speaker 8: I mean at eighteen, Andy Hesson now collapses offensive playbook
Speaker 8: which was wide open and now it's probably the chapters one,
Speaker 8: two and maybe maybe open three.
Speaker 1: But as Roberts said, was short throw game.
Speaker 8: Run the ball and depend on your offensive line to
Speaker 8: help you and don't turn it over and just get
Speaker 8: through this process. Now it's Utah State and maybe again
Speaker 8: Utah coaches and everyone says, look, Aggie's are hurt too,
Speaker 8: They've got their own issues. We'll go up there, get one,
Speaker 8: come back and reevaluate. It's kind of a lucky week
Speaker 8: in a way for Cam and the Utes, but it's
Speaker 8: also could be Gordon. In my book, I think a
Speaker 8: growth week for Isaac who desperately needs to find his confidence,
Speaker 8: and also not only himself, but the ten other guys
Speaker 8: in the huddle to say, if Cam's not coming back
Speaker 8: for a while, then you know what, we have to
Speaker 8: trust this young freshman. And that's what I see is
Speaker 8: it's a growth period, a confidence booster, but also a
Speaker 8: way that ten other guys in the huddle are going
Speaker 8: to build respect for this young kid.
Speaker 1: Gordon, what do you think success? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Good, I'm sorry. I guess I was gonna follow Bowler with, uh,
Speaker 7: do you have to trust him or do you go
Speaker 7: to a different option? I mean, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 7: one of those people that does believe. I do believe
Speaker 7: that a quarterback needs time to develop, and so if
Speaker 7: that's what you really want to do with him, then
Speaker 7: do it. But this season is such a such a
Speaker 7: unique opportunity for you taught to do something that's never
Speaker 7: done before. And let's go to that playoff. If they
Speaker 7: can just get by, you said it, you touted no
Speaker 7: disrespect to the aggage, but they're struggling. So maybe they
Speaker 7: can get by with the kids. Maybe they can do
Speaker 7: both things. They can develop him, give him some confidence,
Speaker 7: and let him play against this team and come out
Speaker 7: with a victory. If you could do that, then okay.
Speaker 7: But if he struggles against this team, I don't I
Speaker 7: mean I wouldn't be that. I wouldn't be that hesitant
Speaker 7: to go ahead with somebody else if I needed to.
Speaker 1: So that is actually where I wanted to go next.
Speaker 1: You know as far as what success looks like for
Speaker 1: Isaac and U taught football tomorrow, Craig, and I'll go
Speaker 1: to you on this because, like I said, if it
Speaker 1: looks the way it looked on Saturday against Utah State,
Speaker 1: then we need to have a conversation because at this point,
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, what's our confidence level the
Speaker 1: Cameron can stay healthy about My hope, my sincerest of
Speaker 1: hopes is that he does. My confidence level in that
Speaker 1: is not all that high. I don't know how it
Speaker 1: can be based off of what we've seen, and I
Speaker 1: think Gordon raises a fair point. Okay, so Baylor, Dave
Speaker 1: Randa has made his way through the sport as a
Speaker 1: defensive genius. Right, So Baylor showed up with better athletes
Speaker 1: than SUU, a good defensive scheme because that's who Dave is,
Speaker 1: and so they were able to stifle Isaac. Utah State
Speaker 1: just got their breaks blown off by USC and Southern
Speaker 1: cal Nate Driyling is a defensive coach. But if it looks,
Speaker 1: Craig tomorrow like it looked last week, when do we
Speaker 1: start talking about Brandon Rose or Sam Yeah? Well Rose
Speaker 1: was my first thought.
Speaker 8: I think what Utah State will do, will test Isaac
Speaker 8: early as they should come at him, edge, rush, up
Speaker 8: the middle. I mean, all sorts of different defensive looks.
Speaker 8: I think they're going to try to. I think their
Speaker 8: best opportunity, Spence and Gordon would be to disrupt Isaac
Speaker 8: in the first quarter. That's where Robert Johnson ROJO said
Speaker 8: to you, play it safe, don't turn the ball over,
Speaker 8: just hand it off and run. Establish a run, get
Speaker 8: through the early part of the game, which is smart
Speaker 8: because what that does is counter what Utah State wants
Speaker 8: to do, and that is to mess with the head
Speaker 8: of an eighteen year old quarterback with one hell of
Speaker 8: a football team. So it's up to the O line
Speaker 8: to buy in and also protect. But also he's got
Speaker 8: to find some early success. Just dump it off flat,
Speaker 8: don't do anything crazy, and just get a couple under
Speaker 8: your belt.
Speaker 1: And that's what it takes.
Speaker 8: I mean, the guy comes in with incredible credentials, right,
Speaker 8: and so you have to build that confidence and say
Speaker 8: to yourself, yeah, I know I belong. And so I
Speaker 8: looked at his first two game numbers. He's eleven of
Speaker 8: twenty one hundred and forty yards, two picks, touchdown, and
Speaker 8: he's carried the ball seven times, mostly just out of
Speaker 8: necessity for a poultry eleven yards. But those are just
Speaker 8: kind of like breakdown plays that he's had to kind
Speaker 8: of just make something out of nothing. But if this
Speaker 8: is a big week, and as Gordon said, I think
Speaker 8: it's true that, you know, if it doesn't quite work,
Speaker 8: then Andy and Kyle they've got some decisions.
Speaker 1: Do you go another direction?
Speaker 8: But also do you destroy the confidence of Isaac early
Speaker 8: in his young career and does that force a red shirt?
Speaker 8: I mean, there's a lot of situations that they have
Speaker 8: to weigh out.
Speaker 1: And how bad is Cam's injury?
Speaker 8: I mean I heard it was infected and then you
Speaker 8: know this may be for six weeks.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. I mean you just don't know.
Speaker 8: But I can't believe that we're talking about this in
Speaker 8: or mid September that Cam Rising is again on the shelf.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with injury, poor guy.
Speaker 7: Guys. I'm sorry, go ahead, No, I just said.
Speaker 1: Just to be clear. The reports that I understand to
Speaker 1: be accurate are he's out this week, expected to play
Speaker 1: next week. That's a good thing. Yeah.
Speaker 7: And here's the other aspect to this. An issue that
Speaker 7: has to arise, and that is everybody else on that
Speaker 7: team has to step up because if this is gonna hap,
Speaker 7: Let's say this happens once or twice or a year,
Speaker 7: but cam is always able to come back and finish
Speaker 7: out the season. Let's say, you know, and that's I
Speaker 7: think most of your fans probably would take that. If
Speaker 7: you said, miss two games and be here the rest
Speaker 7: of the time. Do you think they would take that?
Speaker 7: They probably would. But what has to happen. Everybody else
Speaker 7: on that offense has to step up, and the defense
Speaker 7: has to play a step above where it usually does
Speaker 7: to give that offense what it needs in the meantime.
Speaker 7: If they do that, if they can do that, and
Speaker 7: I thought that was really hit or miss against Dale
Speaker 7: or I saw some good play and then I saw
Speaker 7: some con mediocre play. Everybody has to ride. And I'm
Speaker 7: sure that Kyle Whittingham has said that a thousand times
Speaker 7: to him.
Speaker 1: This week, Bence, I thought was spot on.
Speaker 8: You could tell the difference in the stadium, on the field,
Speaker 8: and the huddle. He goes out that team's personality did
Speaker 8: a left turn, right turn or a U turn twenty
Speaker 8: three to three?
Speaker 1: What at the half?
Speaker 8: And then the offense goes still thankfully Utah's defense continue
Speaker 8: to kind of just hang in there. But they were
Speaker 8: on the field a lot and Baylor was moving and
Speaker 8: we're able to regain some confidence. But in the end
Speaker 8: Utah was able to shut him down. But I think
Speaker 8: an early start, some early confidence, you just got to
Speaker 8: play go up there and hopefully get home. And the
Speaker 8: other part of it is, again, can you get back
Speaker 8: to Salt Lake healthy? And Utah State's trying to stay
Speaker 8: healthy too.
Speaker 1: One more thing on this game.
Speaker 7: Okay, sorry, now just one.
Speaker 1: More thing on this game because then we need to
Speaker 1: do a little BYU so we can get Gordon back
Speaker 1: to a stake sandwich and his caviaar. Every week, every
Speaker 1: week in college football, something bananas happens. Okay. So Notre
Speaker 1: Dame was essentially a thirty point favorite. Last week they
Speaker 1: lose to Northern Illinois. Bamba was tied with South Florida
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, then they ran away. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that this has upset written all over it, but
Speaker 1: this is a sneaky game. We've all been up to Logan,
Speaker 1: we've all been up to Maverick Stadium. Student section is
Speaker 1: really good. It's not Ford Field, but it's not the
Speaker 1: easiest place to play. We have the in state stuff
Speaker 1: where Utah State kids may want to play at Utah,
Speaker 1: they want to come out and really play hard. One
Speaker 1: to ten Craig and Gordon. That will move on to
Speaker 1: byu level of concern that you fans should have for
Speaker 1: upset watch tomorrow.
Speaker 8: That's a good question, really good question. You know, the
Speaker 8: in state statement is real, so let's put that on
Speaker 8: the table. Home field advantage is real. That's a tough
Speaker 8: place to play. Also in Aggie basketball, is they're great fans. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I'd be concerned. I think the first quarter tells a
Speaker 8: lot again and the way Isaac plays, But on a
Speaker 8: scale of one to ten, I think there's a little
Speaker 8: bit of maybe five and a half to six of worry.
Speaker 8: I mean it's easy to say, oh gosh, you know,
Speaker 8: look at us, we're Nashally ranked, We're supposed to do this,
Speaker 8: supposed to do that. This weekend doesn't really give you
Speaker 8: that much. That doesn't mean anything. You're still working in
Speaker 8: a new guy eighteen years young, and Utah State has
Speaker 8: nothing to lose after getting stepped on forty eight zip
Speaker 8: right rally call, maybe, but I would think the first
Speaker 8: quarter will indicate the outcome of this game. In my opinion,
Speaker 8: I could be wrong, but I think the way you
Speaker 8: start is the way you then dictate the pace of
Speaker 8: the game and also how the opponent will react.
Speaker 1: If they get stepped on or give.
Speaker 8: Somebody a pop and they drop the ball, you pick
Speaker 8: it up, run it for a pick six or something.
Speaker 8: You start to control the tempo and the outcome of
Speaker 8: the game.
Speaker 1: Gorda, what do you think, don't.
Speaker 7: Worry at all, camera playing zero worry as is. I
Speaker 7: would put it at about five. I think Bowler's pretty
Speaker 7: right somewhere in that range. And again we're guessing, because
Speaker 7: what are we going to see at quarterback? What are
Speaker 7: we going to see there? I don't know, and I
Speaker 7: don't think anybody knows. I think Andy Love would go
Speaker 7: over there, going let's see what am I going to see?
Speaker 8: You?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 7: You know, I would I put it at five.
Speaker 1: All right, before we set Gordon loose, Let's do a
Speaker 1: little BYU. So BYU travels to Laramie. They have injury
Speaker 1: issues of their own. Hinkley, Rapati and LJ. Martin, their
Speaker 1: top two running backs, according to reports, will not be available.
Speaker 1: There are some reports that say both those are going
Speaker 1: to be both those two will be out for a while.
Speaker 1: Last week fourth and one, the thirty seven yard carry
Speaker 1: was Miles Davis. They have some depth in that room.
Speaker 1: By the way, gritty gutty win on the road, SMU,
Speaker 1: you're a twelve point dog. That's like a Killane win
Speaker 1: for sure. So BYU has a chance to finish non
Speaker 1: con clean. And I've said that they had to to
Speaker 1: make a bowl. That's what I believe to be true.
Speaker 1: The line has moved three times towards Wyoming. It is
Speaker 1: settled as of now BYU minus nine point five. The
Speaker 1: over under is the lowest over under the Big twelve
Speaker 1: at forty point five. Because BYU's offenses look horrible and
Speaker 1: Wyoming is just not good. So Craig will start with
Speaker 1: you your thoughts on a gutty win in Dallas, and
Speaker 1: what are you expecting from BYU and Layer of Me tomorrow?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was surprised the way that game played out,
Speaker 8: low scoring, big play, field goals, defensive stops what eighteen fifteen?
Speaker 1: Eighteen fifteen? And you know, is it pretty football?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 8: But it's what you call grind it and get it
Speaker 8: done and come home. Killanie right, Kalani. I mean it's
Speaker 8: you know, I'm sure he was smiling on the bus
Speaker 8: ride and the plane ride home.
Speaker 1: Look, that's how you win.
Speaker 8: You win dirty sometimes and not speaking dirty play, I'm
Speaker 8: talking about just it. It was just not clean, but
Speaker 8: you won. And now you're two to zero, and now
Speaker 8: you go to Wyoming and you've been up there. It's
Speaker 8: it's a difficult place to play. They have a crowd
Speaker 8: that's not fun. And you know what, they're lucky it's September,
Speaker 8: not in the middle of October or early November, because
Speaker 8: it's a hell hole of weather that that rolls into
Speaker 8: Laramie quite often. I've been up there for basketball. It's like,
Speaker 8: are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 8: You know tim below, you know, and the wind chill factor.
Speaker 8: So I mean it should be a good day weather wise.
Speaker 8: But again it's it's go go up there, and Klannie's
Speaker 8: gonna have to say this, guys, we're two and oh.
Speaker 8: No time just to feel like we're walking on you know,
Speaker 8: on on air. I mean, we just we got to
Speaker 8: put our head down and play. That'd be my biggest concern,
Speaker 8: is it go on the road after oh, after being
Speaker 8: two and oh, and then lay an egg and laramie
Speaker 8: defense obviously gonna have to shape it uh and and
Speaker 8: control some of that. But also I hate to say
Speaker 8: this because when I was calling games, every coach decordinator
Speaker 8: would always say this or an O coordinator.
Speaker 1: How are you gonna win this game? I'll give you
Speaker 1: three keys.
Speaker 8: You know what they are, Control tempo, run the ball,
Speaker 8: and don't turn it over. And basically by he's going
Speaker 8: to have to do that as well and try to
Speaker 8: find some offense and if not, that opens a window.
Speaker 1: And you know what, in.
Speaker 8: College football, every Saturday, there's one score or two that
Speaker 8: jumps out. You go, whoa, and this could be one.
Speaker 8: But Kilane's going to have to control I think, the
Speaker 8: attitude and the approach and make that very clear. And
Speaker 8: I always am the first quarter guy because you can
Speaker 8: understand the mentality and the approach of each team. And
Speaker 8: I guarantee ym he's going to be running around spraying
Speaker 8: the defense around that field.
Speaker 1: And one week from tomorrow K states in Prova. Right,
Speaker 1: are we looking ahead? Gordo? Before we set you loose,
Speaker 1: give me your thoughts on where we're at with BYU.
Speaker 7: Why on we suck? I mean, I mean that team
Speaker 7: is not good this year. But I agree with what
Speaker 7: you guys said. Any football team can lose on a
Speaker 7: certain day if they're not dialed in. What we saw
Speaker 7: last week was obviously the defense has played fantastic. The
Speaker 7: offense sputtered all over the place. And you heard what
Speaker 7: Colonieck he said earlier this week talking to let's laugh. Uh,
Speaker 7: you know, don't turn the ball over, take care of
Speaker 7: the ball, don't fumble it without being hit, don't throw
Speaker 7: picks that are just stupid. And so I've always believed
Speaker 7: that BYU, in order to be even that it's sort
Speaker 7: of seventy five level, the quarterback has to play well.
Speaker 7: And so that's what has to happen. And I said,
Speaker 7: a hostile environment with a urn bombs fly.
Speaker 1: Craig, let me say once again how you are proven
Speaker 1: to be a man of character by showing up live
Speaker 1: in the studio to fulfill your obligation. Appreciate that. So, hey,
Speaker 1: Gordo Cavir, cold cold, cold beer with a little little
Speaker 1: head on top. I don't think he's picked up that
Speaker 1: habit at this stage of Okay, okay, you know I
Speaker 1: didn't think, well, you know, a good guy code comes
Speaker 1: in hand wrong with it. Beer whatever you want.
Speaker 8: But the cavityard though on a cracker, I can see
Speaker 8: it right now.
Speaker 1: Pinky's up, man.
Speaker 7: Uh huh. I'm just trying to pick some of myself
Speaker 7: with the pinky up.
Speaker 1: Pinky's on.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think I can see myself. I'm doing it.
Speaker 7: But look, I mean.
Speaker 2: The future will have to book out every.
Speaker 7: Day of the week for the show, you know, because
Speaker 7: I'm not sure what it's going to be.
Speaker 1: Gord. We cand we tease have fun up there. I
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Bust be beautiful. Man, it's a beautiful day.
Speaker 1: I see next week. Okay, here it is.
Speaker 7: Man, and it's I wouldn't miss this. I just missed
Speaker 7: three bold and I couldn't care less because I'm having
Speaker 7: a good.
Speaker 5: Time with you. Gush.
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Speaker 1: One more segment with Bowler. We say goodbye to a
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Speaker 1: very few people. There are very few help anything objects
Speaker 1: furniture that represent the Utah Jazz quite like Dan Roberts does.
Speaker 1: And you know, we just found out that this will
Speaker 1: be Dan's final year. He is the PA Voice of
Speaker 1: the Utah jazzt I still miss bring him on. How
Speaker 1: about that jazz that was like my favorite thing back
Speaker 1: in the day. Can we get Craigs micon porter please.
Speaker 1: So you obviously have known Dan forever as if I'm
Speaker 1: great friends of the family. Jeremy and I golf from
Speaker 1: time to time.
Speaker 8: This one got me. I'm I'm sad about this. Yeah,
Speaker 8: this one surprised me, kind of just came out of
Speaker 8: left field. But man, Dan is terrific individual. Got to
Speaker 8: know him even better these last twenty years that I've
Speaker 8: been involved, and you go by the table, you know
Speaker 8: it's iconic voice. You go into the press room and
Speaker 8: the crews in there, and Dan's kind of leading the charge,
Speaker 8: and you know it's he is. He has witnessed greatness,
Speaker 8: I hope, and I know he understands that. But he's
Speaker 8: had a front row seat to some just marvelous moments
Speaker 8: in a franchise and the history of Carl and John, Larry,
Speaker 8: Gail and now Ryan and Ashley. But man, think it
Speaker 8: the game, I mean Stockton to Malone. I don't know
Speaker 8: how many times he said it, hot Rod, I mean multiple, multiple,
Speaker 8: thousands of times. That's why Stockton's the assist leader in
Speaker 8: Malone's now what three in NBA scoring. I mean, those
Speaker 8: guys were just so special. And you know, I envy
Speaker 8: that hot rod. You know, had that combo for so
Speaker 8: many years because it was almost like you dialed it
Speaker 8: in every night. You could ride in twenty seven for Carl,
Speaker 8: twelve assists, in seventeen for John. You'd see Jerry stop
Speaker 8: in his feet and cussing at the officials. And it
Speaker 8: was just basketball, hardcore, man. And Dan was able to
Speaker 8: see that and witness a lot of history. And you
Speaker 8: know what, I hope he has a great season where
Speaker 8: he can enjoy himself and take the accolades that he deserves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you. I've just I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: You know me, I date back to the South Palace
Speaker 1: going to Jazz games when I was six, seven, eight
Speaker 1: years old. I was there.
Speaker 8: I got here in eighty five, man, so I was
Speaker 8: only seventeen, you know. And your dad that's where I met.
Speaker 8: You know, your dad was running the show, all right.
Speaker 1: And and Dan is he is synonymous with jazz basketball.
Speaker 1: He is a consistent threat in the tapestry of the
Speaker 1: jazz where if you show up whether they're good, whether
Speaker 1: they're bad, whether they're fun, whether they're boring. You know
Speaker 1: that the PA guy is gonna be awesome with the intros.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna hear the and you're in the
Speaker 1: Dan Roberts Deep Boys group in a way that it's
Speaker 1: never you know. I mean, he drops it down a lot,
Speaker 1: but he still has the pipes of pipes right. And
Speaker 1: think about it too.
Speaker 8: I mean in Chicago during the ninety seven and ninety
Speaker 8: eight World Championships, or I should say NBA Championships, I
Speaker 8: mean two iconic voices at both arenas, I mean Chicago,
Speaker 8: my gosh and La Laker girls.
Speaker 1: You've heard that of one thousand. Of course, that guy's
Speaker 1: a little too monotone for me. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think his whole kind of plan of action
Speaker 8: is just to kind of say this and let a
Speaker 8: kind of rumble on everybody's And that's what the beauty
Speaker 8: when I go around the league is that every every
Speaker 8: PA announcer has their own style.
Speaker 1: Some worst is Miami, I'm sorry. Some are hype down
Speaker 1: of their heads.
Speaker 8: Other ones do the kind of the long drawn out
Speaker 8: Others drop their voice, other goes hi. You know, it's
Speaker 8: just amazing how you know who, what style that particular
Speaker 8: team takes. It'll be difficult man, to put a new body,
Speaker 8: a new voice in the chair. Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 8: And so I lived it. I mean, look, hot rod iconic.
Speaker 8: You know, can't run from it.
Speaker 1: It is what it is.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And you know I always told my dad always said, look, man,
Speaker 8: just go do your thing. And I think, you know,
Speaker 8: that's the only advice I could give the next guy
Speaker 8: is just go do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and be yourself.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder who it'll be. I wonder what it'll sound like.
Speaker 1: It'll be really weird for those of us who have
Speaker 1: been going to jazz games for over thirty years to
Speaker 1: experience that without Dan Roberts. So Dan, if you're listening,
Speaker 1: we love you and best of luck and a great butt.
Speaker 8: Of run down on the line on X I still
Speaker 8: say Twitter, but the jazz are a nice little minute
Speaker 8: and a half kind of look back, Dan, I'd say,
Speaker 8: if you're listening, man, your hair like, you know, that
Speaker 8: was pretty boss back it was?
Speaker 1: Did you see that? I'm you know what I'm bringing
Speaker 1: back the term that's pretty boss. Yeah, i'marting that right now,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, No, it
Speaker 1: was great, and you know, we'll certainly wish Dan the
Speaker 1: best this year. I wonder, Craig you are you're a survivor, okay,
Speaker 1: because you know Dan, He maybe Dan and Trave longest
Speaker 1: tenured jazz guy, Trave, but you have seen so many
Speaker 1: iterations of jazz basketball. What's it been like to watch this?
Speaker 1: You know, this whole thing unfold.
Speaker 8: What I've learned in this business, you know, being at
Speaker 8: KSL when I came in in eighty five, young guy
Speaker 8: got to know hot Rod immediately. The one of the
Speaker 8: first shows ever on Sports Beach Sunday.
Speaker 1: Sports Beat Sunday, what a pull.
Speaker 8: It was was center Court with Larry H. Miller and
Speaker 8: we wore hard hats and he recited verbatim yards of
Speaker 8: concrete rebar that was inside Delta Center at the time.
Speaker 1: And I just was in awe to be a part
Speaker 1: of the early years.
Speaker 8: You know, I was there for thirteen, took off, but
Speaker 8: never kept my eye off what the Jazz were doing.
Speaker 8: And then you know, the great Randy Rigby, who was
Speaker 8: then president of the Jazz, hired me on with Denny Haslim,
Speaker 8: and I've been grateful ever since. I mean, but I
Speaker 8: followed this team since eighty five. It's been a roller coaster.
Speaker 8: But that's what you expect in most cities, in most franchises,
Speaker 8: there are highs and lows. There are some teams like
Speaker 8: Boston who has multiple, you know, championship banners hanging from
Speaker 8: TD Garden, But you know, well, the Jazz have always
Speaker 8: been competitive. I think that's the one thing Spence is
Speaker 8: that the fan base is always known when they went
Speaker 8: to a game, they were going.
Speaker 1: To see basketball.
Speaker 8: What I hope I see this year is Lebron on
Speaker 8: the floor, not a night off. What I hope to
Speaker 8: see this year is a d on the floor or
Speaker 8: Booker on the floor. Not to use Salt Lake as
Speaker 8: a stop gap, like, ah, you know what, I'm resting. No,
Speaker 8: this is the NBA, you know what, And you come
Speaker 8: and play and let the fans get their money's worth
Speaker 8: and let these young players play against some of the
Speaker 8: best who've ever played the game. And I think that's
Speaker 8: the one thing what Malone and Stockton brought was they
Speaker 8: said it's straight up. They went thirty eight and three
Speaker 8: most of the times at Delta Center, man and fan
Speaker 8: or the fans knew they came to watch a win
Speaker 8: and every and Malone always told me, look, nobody believes
Speaker 8: they can win in this building.
Speaker 1: And you know what, he was right.
Speaker 8: And now you went through d Will and Boozer, you
Speaker 8: through Donovan and Rudy, and now you wait to see
Speaker 8: what the next trio or duo will be to elevate
Speaker 8: this fan base. I'm excited to see it. I hope
Speaker 8: there's a pop with growth this year. That would be
Speaker 8: the biggest surprise and probably fuel some interest again with
Speaker 8: this franchise because there's young, young, young, young talent. But
Speaker 8: who's gonna pop Keyante, Taylor Hendricks, Who's gonna be Is
Speaker 8: it gonna be Philipowski? I mean it's it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1: So let's move over to that real quick. We'll end
Speaker 1: with a little bit more football. By the way, some
Speaker 1: breaking news just came down. Christian McCaffrey is out two
Speaker 1: and the Niners are considering putting him on the injured reserve.
Speaker 1: So that just barely came down. Of talent, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: love watching him play, yeah for sure, So real quick,
Speaker 1: let's do a little more jazz than We'll end with
Speaker 1: some football Vegas over underwins this year, We'll just go
Speaker 1: an order in the West Thunder one Timberwolves, two Nuggets,
Speaker 1: three Mavericks for Grizzlies, five Sons, Kings, seven Pelicans, eight Rockets,
Speaker 1: nine Lakers, ten Warriors, twelve Clippers, thirteen Spurs, fourteen Jazz
Speaker 1: fifteen over under.
Speaker 8: Right now is twenty nine point five? Did you just
Speaker 8: read four teams that have some packed punch but that
Speaker 8: won't make the playoffs?
Speaker 1: They're going to be three or four really good teams,
Speaker 1: veteran teams. Look players like Stephen Curry and James Harden
Speaker 1: and Lebron James fighting for their playoff live.
Speaker 8: Let me talk real quick about four teams. Clippers come
Speaker 8: to mind first, because now in Philly is Paul George
Speaker 8: Kawhi Leonard is so oft injured? I'm not sure, and
Speaker 8: I think that probably is a fair assessment of where
Speaker 8: they will be. Clay to Dallas is intriguing. What's he
Speaker 8: got left? And how does he fit?
Speaker 2: All?
Speaker 1: Right? Dallas is good, but we'll see.
Speaker 8: What do you think of Giddy going to Chicago and
Speaker 8: Caruso coming to ok See?
Speaker 1: I like it for too. Yeah, I mean Giddy couldn't
Speaker 1: play in the playoffs because he doesn't guard, and he
Speaker 1: can't shoot. His three ball just kind of disappeared. What
Speaker 1: does Crusoe do? He guards in his guards and that's
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing Westbrook, Denver. That could be a disruptor
Speaker 1: for me. Entavious called will Pope. You know, you lose
Speaker 1: something if you're Denver. Yeah, it's not irreplaceable. But here's
Speaker 1: why this is bad news. Craig Okay, as I'm reading
Speaker 1: this off, thunder youth Timberwolves aunts a kid. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: I'll get still young Mavericks. You know, Lucas in his
Speaker 1: mid twenties. Joh comes back from Memphis. That's intriguing. I
Speaker 1: want to see that Sacramento Okay, young team, Pelicans, young team, Rockets,
Speaker 1: young team Okay. So I just listed eight young teams
Speaker 1: because during the Donovan and Rudy era, the walkie line
Speaker 1: was always okay, when the Warriors go away, when the
Speaker 1: Lakers go away, when the Suns go away, when the
Speaker 1: Clippers go away, We'll be there. Guess what those teams
Speaker 1: are about to go away. So now your clock has reset.
Speaker 1: So now we're going to say hey when okase's not
Speaker 1: going anywhere for a long time. So the problem is
Speaker 1: the teams that you were waiting to go away so
Speaker 1: you could jump in and the windows are so small.
Speaker 1: But when that window manifested, if you had the group
Speaker 1: that you thought you had with Donovan and Rudy and
Speaker 1: Quinn and Dennis and all, I will always maintain there's
Speaker 1: a world to keep them together. I know that most
Speaker 1: people over there said they had hit their ceiling. Here's
Speaker 1: what just guts you go. Baron Mitchell are still in
Speaker 1: their prime. A lot of the players that you sent
Speaker 1: off can still play, Like you know, Royce got a
Speaker 1: deal in Phoenix. There's a world where you could have
Speaker 1: kept that team together. And the problem is the group
Speaker 1: that built that team was waiting for this moment, and
Speaker 1: now that moment is gone. And so the Jazz are
Speaker 1: in an area where there's only one other team in
Speaker 1: the West that's with them, and that's Portland and they're
Speaker 1: both not good. And now when's the window. The eight
Speaker 1: teams I just referenced in front of you are better
Speaker 1: and just as young as you are, but they're more
Speaker 1: advanced in the rebuild. It's just I don't know what
Speaker 1: to make of it.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's great news, No, it's it's difficult.
Speaker 8: I mean when you really break it down in the
Speaker 8: in that regard, you know Donovan, Now when I we
Speaker 8: talked about this a month ago, three weeks ago, when
Speaker 8: Donovan came out on a podcast who said he thought,
Speaker 8: you know, the Jazz had a few more years left
Speaker 8: with that group.
Speaker 1: Well, why don't you speak up then? Yeah? Right, give
Speaker 1: me a break with that, by the way.
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I don't know what kind of
Speaker 8: you know, is the ironing over some hard feelings or
Speaker 8: what have you, but you know, from all indications, it
Speaker 8: did implode after uh, you know, having the best record
Speaker 8: in the NBA and playing in the bubble. I mean,
Speaker 8: there were marvelous times there. Joe Ingles was a special
Speaker 8: guy coming off the bench and just had a personality
Speaker 8: that you know, still in the league, Yes, still in
Speaker 8: the league, Mike Conley, really, Agdanovich.
Speaker 1: The whole group still in the league. Still in the league.
Speaker 1: Ni Kiel, Alexander Walker, still in the league. I couldn't
Speaker 1: get off the bench. And he's playing right and playing well.
Speaker 8: So I mean it's it's really odd when and if
Speaker 8: you want to say that the voice of Quinn Snyder
Speaker 8: had been lost and Quinn, you know, I've talked to
Speaker 8: Quinn and you know, he plays it the way it
Speaker 8: should be, but you know, knowing him, I think there
Speaker 8: was frustration. I don't think he could mend the fence
Speaker 8: of the two players is two superstars, and then money
Speaker 8: comes into play and people getting players' ears and they
Speaker 8: start to tell him. You know, look, you know the
Speaker 8: grass is greener on the other side. I've told you
Speaker 8: this a thousand times on this show that players like
Speaker 8: d Will and Booze and even even Hayward have come
Speaker 8: and talked to me and said, man should never have left.
Speaker 8: And it's it kind of makes you just stand back.
Speaker 8: And you know it happens in other cities, I'm sure,
Speaker 8: but Utah's teams to get just the spotlight hits because
Speaker 8: it's Utah and this you know, the comments have been said,
Speaker 8: I want to play in Utah. You know it's too white,
Speaker 8: whatever it may be. There's no night life. Hey man,
Speaker 8: that's over.
Speaker 1: Get it.
Speaker 8: Olympics coming back here, NHL team. I mean, this city's
Speaker 8: grown and busting by the seams. You can do anything
Speaker 8: you want here. I don't buy it. And I think
Speaker 8: that's where the league and hopefully the players start to
Speaker 8: understand that more and more. But it comes back Spence
Speaker 8: to who is your centerpiece that can entice those players
Speaker 8: to come here and of the group. Over the last
Speaker 8: two summers, the Jazz have drafted who breaks it open
Speaker 8: or does Danny have to say thank you? No, move
Speaker 8: him on, move him out, stay with him. I think
Speaker 8: it's an incredible important season for Kessler. I think it's
Speaker 8: an important season for Kiante and the evaluation process. Year
Speaker 8: three for Walker is important. Year two you want to
Speaker 8: see a jump, especially if you're running the show, and
Speaker 8: I think that's really important for fans to follow and
Speaker 8: understand that, yes they're young, but really highlight talent that
Speaker 8: are top ten picks. You know they should. Taylor Hendrix
Speaker 8: is another big year for him to bust open. And
Speaker 8: if they do, you know what, there may be some
Speaker 8: surprise talk around the league and maybe the Jazz makes
Speaker 8: some noise, but a lot of fans don't want them to.
Speaker 8: But I don't trust, not the sense of the NBA.
Speaker 8: But I wouldn't put all my marbles into the into
Speaker 8: lottery night. I mean, look where the Jazz fell, right
Speaker 8: just three months ago after they played and they went
Speaker 8: what we only won three games after the All Star
Speaker 8: Break close to that so they could keep the pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they lost the pick.
Speaker 8: So you know, I don't think there's any guarantees, and
Speaker 8: you have to find some luck along the way, and
Speaker 8: the Jazz are desperately in the market for some luck.
Speaker 8: They had it with Stock and Malone. They actually found
Speaker 8: out with Gobert and Donovan. What's the next phase for
Speaker 8: the Jazz. I like Will Hardy, but he's in his
Speaker 8: third to five years. You know what, coaches get a
Speaker 8: Lancey too because they think about their careers. He's thirty six.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's amazing. So this season I think again,
Speaker 8: evaluate young players multiple minutes, different combinations to see what
Speaker 8: works and what doesn't, and you may get a surprise
Speaker 8: or too. Philipowski is intriguing to me because he's six eleven,
Speaker 8: big faces the basket, seems to be comfortable with the
Speaker 8: ball in his Handspence and you know he may pressure
Speaker 8: a Walker and that's a good thing. But you could
Speaker 8: be at one big front line. You think about Market
Speaker 8: and Kessler, and if you play Philipowski at the three
Speaker 8: or the four, I mean, it's gonna be interesting. I
Speaker 8: mean that'd be one hell of a front line, and
Speaker 8: then how do you manage Collins and JC in the rotation?
Speaker 1: Craig, good luck. I'm a call this here, buddy. I'm
Speaker 1: glad I got tea. I just I can't wait to hear
Speaker 1: the lock numbers on the Drew You banks Patty Mills
Speaker 1: pick and roll? Yeah, five times in the third quarter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean anything, David. You know what, Patty, I
Speaker 1: want to get to know him.
Speaker 8: I've always been impressed with his play, and he's been
Speaker 8: around forever. But I think, you know what, he probably
Speaker 8: is going to be more of a coach for the
Speaker 8: younger guys and maybe get spot minutes on occasion, but
Speaker 8: I don't see him on the floor that much.
Speaker 1: I've got an insider tip for you on Patty Mills. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you can ask a question when you meet him. So
Speaker 1: about let's see, Well, I'll tell you exactly what it
Speaker 1: was about seven years ago. I had a little life interruption.
Speaker 1: Yes I do remember that. Yes, So I went to
Speaker 1: the north shore of a Wahoo and stayed there. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll ever come back. And as there's
Speaker 1: this place called Leylas that's on the golf course. They
Speaker 1: have the best ribs. It is awesome and the owner
Speaker 1: is a huge sports fan. And Patty Mills every year
Speaker 1: goes over there and goes deep sea fishing with the
Speaker 1: owner of Leylas and he has a place on the
Speaker 1: north Shore. I went over there one night to get
Speaker 1: dinner and suddenly walks out Patty Mills. My man was
Speaker 1: having a good time. A man was having it. It
Speaker 1: was the off season, right right, and I think he
Speaker 1: had just come off of good year with San Antonio.
Speaker 1: Ask him about the north Shore, asking about Leles. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's your end if you get a chance in it,
Speaker 1: Layley's I'll remember that in ribs. Yeah, all the ribs,
Speaker 1: the mashed potatoes, the coconut Trent. Leayles is where it's at. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I'm anxious to see him, meet him, Drew you Banks.
Speaker 8: I've chatted with him a couple of times in during
Speaker 8: his career. Where does he fit in?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 8: It's it's depth three point shooting maybe you know, and
Speaker 8: I just don't know. It's it's one of those years
Speaker 8: where I'm so anxious for camp to hit open court.
Speaker 1: A lot of guys are in town. You know.
Speaker 8: Media content Day is I think a week from next Monday, Spence,
Speaker 8: and so we're coming up on it, and you know,
Speaker 8: the answers or some of the questions. We probably will
Speaker 8: get some answers, not all of them. But I'm anxious
Speaker 8: for rotation. I want to see what will Danny Justin
Speaker 8: have in mind on the minutes played by this group
Speaker 8: of young, young, young players.
Speaker 1: Here's what you got. You got lowry marketing. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he is awesome. He is Okay, so he's box office.
Speaker 1: He's worth the price of admission. The rest of the roster,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see Craig before I set you loose.
Speaker 1: God speed, my friend. The PAC twelve. You want to
Speaker 1: you want to come in and hang one night or
Speaker 1: two with T and I. I have a feeling you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to send that up the ladder. Okay, yeah
Speaker 1: I will. Yeah, maybe travel give me a call. You
Speaker 1: might get a few hard no's over there. The PAC
Speaker 1: twelve is back, question mark, Okay, before I set you loose.
Speaker 1: Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, I'm missing Colorado State,
Speaker 1: invited to join, Washington State and Oregon State. A lot
Speaker 1: of state schools. Uh, they need two more calling for
Speaker 1: our guys up in logan. Although all my college football
Speaker 1: guests don't believe Utah State is going to get that
Speaker 1: phone call? What do you make of the Pac twelve
Speaker 1: shuffling and suddenly coming back into our consciousness far before
Speaker 1: anybody thought it would go down? Before?
Speaker 8: I tell you Spence, honestly, I thought the death nail
Speaker 8: had been, you know, hit and never to be heard
Speaker 8: from again. The big deal was divving it up PAC
Speaker 8: twelve money and the that was the biggest conversation was lawsuits.
Speaker 8: Who gets what, who belongs where?
Speaker 1: You know what? There's always a way right and here's
Speaker 1: the deal.
Speaker 8: You toss State ought to listen to it because you
Speaker 8: know you want survival. And I don't want to see
Speaker 8: a small state school go under because what they do
Speaker 8: when they go play and get their tails beat down
Speaker 8: in weeks one, two, and three. In most cases not
Speaker 8: all boys states had a good football program for a
Speaker 8: long time. But you still get a payday. How much
Speaker 8: did Notre Dame pay to get beat one hundred and
Speaker 8: one point five million, Yeah, it was just under two
Speaker 8: I think it was just undred two million. Now you
Speaker 8: think about that, most teams it's a five hundred thousand
Speaker 8: to seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars pay day to
Speaker 8: go to the big school to be practiced on. And
Speaker 8: what it does it lets the rest of your athletic
Speaker 8: program survive. And that's what is so important, is that
Speaker 8: the football money held with softball, volleyball and everything else.
Speaker 8: Now if you get into a conference, but the deal,
Speaker 8: SPAN's what television network is interested.
Speaker 1: Right now, the CWS, the Mountain West. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know who would want this, this rebranded Pac twelve.
Speaker 1: It's all of the TV deals were taken. The Big
Speaker 1: twelve got the last one, right, so I don't know
Speaker 1: who's coming call the one the one option.
Speaker 8: The one plus is is that you still have the
Speaker 8: late night window, the late one. I used to call
Speaker 8: those all the time, Big Monday basketball, ten o'clock midnight Eastern.
Speaker 8: I did an open on a couch and logan with
Speaker 8: the Aggies and UNLV Yeah, stew and a tart and
Speaker 8: it was a big game on ESPN, Jimmy Dyke, save Hella,
Speaker 8: Hey but NOA and we had a blast. But it
Speaker 8: was so late everybody's in pajamas. But my point is
Speaker 8: that there's windows that become unfilled at times, and a
Speaker 8: lot of teams like Utah. Do they want to play
Speaker 8: at eight thirty or eight o'clock or ten o'clock Eastern? No,
Speaker 8: But you know those teams may say, Okay, I get it,
Speaker 8: it's nine o'clock on the West coast, but it's midnight eastern.
Speaker 8: Some you know, there may be somebody out there now.
Speaker 8: The money won't be great, no, but may be enough
Speaker 8: to resurrect the BAC twelve.
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